Forum logs for 03 Jan 2018

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
ReadErr: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/kuPF3HQI/droner.png [00:00]
ReadErr: i do cnc/solidworks stuff [00:00]
ReadErr: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/nW1SHX6r/mntboard.png [00:00]
ReadErr: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/aJLgNmk0/trollien.png [00:00]
ReadErr: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/c2mlzlsd/sperky2.png [00:00]
ReadErr: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/LPfTFUzY/powar.png [00:00]
ReadErr: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/9JTkWqy2/fc.png [00:01]
trinque: impressive ReadErr [00:01]
ReadErr: ty [00:01]
mircea_popescu: ReadErr the bot autoarchives links, btw. [00:01]
ReadErr: its mostly just for fun [00:01]
ReadErr: its all good [00:01]
ReadErr: i just like to do things myself, like electronics stuff, its cheaper from china [00:02]
ReadErr: but when i do my own, i can make it how i want [00:02]
ReadErr: rather than depending on someone else to [00:03]
mircea_popescu: quite. [00:06]
ReadErr: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/r71CYbzq/wings.png [00:07]
ReadErr: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/e6nX6oIj/IMG_1410.JPG [00:07]
trinque: !!up ReadErr [00:08]
deedbot: ReadErr voiced for 30 minutes. [00:08]
mircea_popescu: ReadErr say "!!up" to deedbot in a pm then !!v [00:08]
ReadErr: danielpbarron: did you do that pcb? [00:08]
ReadErr: !!up [00:08]
ReadErr: oh in pm [00:09]
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/iqjzg/?raw=true [00:09]
trinque: here works now that you've done it [00:09]
mircea_popescu: nah, asciilifeform did the whole thing's in a v tree [00:09]
mircea_popescu: ReadErr http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=fg&search= [00:09]
ReadErr: looks like a arduino [00:10]
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-03-jan-2018#2388037 << >> https://archive.is/CGQkR [00:10]
a111: Logged on 2018-01-03 04:56 mircea_popescu would link fg, if there was a page / [00:10]
danielpbarron: ReadErr, i bought them from No Such lAbs [00:10]
ReadErr: whats under the shields ? [00:10]
danielpbarron: i bought out the entire first run [00:10]
ben_vulpes: ReadErr: what are those pcbs? [00:11]
asciilifeform: ReadErr: see the archive link, has photo [00:11]
danielpbarron: i've been sending out any non prime numbered units [00:11]
ReadErr: ben_vulpes: few flight controllers [00:11]
ben_vulpes: fixed and quad it looked like from the photos? [00:12]
ReadErr: heres something i did kinda recently... [00:12]
ReadErr: ya [00:12]
ben_vulpes: that skateboard looks like a ripping good time [00:13]
ben_vulpes: schematics for the fixedwing flight controller anywhere? [00:14]
ReadErr: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/2vJ1E2z0/IMG_1556.JPG [00:14]
ReadErr: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/R7TBtCoo/IMG_1557.JPG [00:14]
ReadErr: a magnet goes on the back [00:14]
ReadErr: and a piece of wire + magnet on wraps around it [00:15]
ReadErr: and it will charge a 1s batt but also provide 5v output from 1 battery [00:15]
ReadErr: and fits in a pouch on keychain [00:15]
ben_vulpes: useful! [00:15]
ReadErr: not really lol [00:15]
ReadErr: but i made it for fun [00:15]
ben_vulpes: well for tiny usb thingers [00:15]
ReadErr: ben_vulpes: ya i got some stuff up FC wise [00:16]
ReadErr: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/XNww4Ray/finger4scale.png [00:16]
ben_vulpes: header forest lol [00:16]
ReadErr: https://github.com/Brotronics/LulfroMini [00:17]
ReadErr: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Qvj0lDgo/lulfro1.png [00:18]
ReadErr: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Ew0sWEcK/lulfro2.png [00:18]
ReadErr: so timecop did the white one [00:18]
ReadErr: but the pinout was kinda shit [00:18]
ReadErr: so i just did mine to piss him off and make it more usable, but did it smaller w/ more stuff [00:18]
ben_vulpes: heh neat, so how do you use one of these fcs? [00:21]
ReadErr: well, thats pretty flexible [00:21]
ReadErr: theres a few codesbases depending on what you are trying to do [00:22]
ReadErr: some are focused more on racing/performance [00:22]
ReadErr: others autonomy, like gps navigation [00:22]
ReadErr: but they are typically stm32 [00:22]
ReadErr: (ARM) [00:22]
ben_vulpes: gotta wire IMUs etc to it or is that all on the pcb? [00:22]
ReadErr: its all on the pcb [00:22]
ReadErr: btw [00:23]
ReadErr: any recommendations for a photohost? [00:23]
ReadErr: i dropped smugmug since they pissed me off [00:23]
ben_vulpes: run a server, set up apache? [00:23]
ReadErr: and dont have most of my stuff uploaded [00:23]
ben_vulpes: costs like 5 bucks per month [00:23]
ReadErr: ya i was trying to avoid the self hosted route [00:23]
ReadErr: i have a bunch of vps [00:23]
ben_vulpes: word [00:23]
danielpbarron: ReadErr, feel free to provide a service :D [00:23]
mircea_popescu: buy a box. [00:23]
ReadErr: but its more so I want them somewhere just incase [00:23]
ReadErr: i dont know which gallery to run though [00:24]
danielpbarron: i'd rather pay you than use imgur [00:24]
ReadErr: software wise [00:24]
mircea_popescu: !#s mp-wp [00:24]
a111: 96 results for "mp-wp", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=mp-wp [00:24]
ReadErr: smugmug was nice but [00:24]
ReadErr: they changed how they did photolinks [00:24]
ben_vulpes: sounds like you want a holistic personal backup strategy, really gotta go bolting shit to the side with galleries as well? [00:24]
ReadErr: so it replaced all the urls with smugmug rather than my domain [00:24]
ben_vulpes: dude it's just going to keep happening. sv baitnswitch. [00:25]
ReadErr: ben_vulpes: nah i just need something with a good mobile app though too [00:25]
ben_vulpes: what why [00:25]
ReadErr: since getting them from phone -> web is a pain through a browser [00:25]
danielpbarron: step 1) get the user base. step 2) ??? step 3) fuck it, change everything maybe we get moneyz [00:25]
ReadErr: smugmug had a great mobile app [00:25]
ReadErr: which is why i originally used them [00:25]
ReadErr: but they quit dev on it, stopped working with new phone updates [00:26]
ben_vulpes: ReadErr: has an iphone with the soldered in storage probably, cannot pull sd card? [00:26]
ReadErr: lol [00:26]
ReadErr: nah but theres something to be said about just tapping the screen twice [00:26]
ben_vulpes: shake it hard it may come out, i hear the rohs crap is crap [00:26]
ReadErr: and having it upload to a specific folder [00:26]
ReadErr: rohs is crap [00:27]
ReadErr: <-- all leaded [00:27]
ben_vulpes: regulation is crap. [00:27]
ben_vulpes: ReadErr: where do you get properly leaded solder? [00:27]
ReadErr: amazon, [00:27]
ReadErr: i use kester noclean [00:27]
ben_vulpes: that easy, huh? [00:27]
ben_vulpes: solved child enslavement and leaded solder equally well teh pantsuits [00:27]
mircea_popescu: heh, apparently everyone hates nonleaded [00:27]
ReadErr: https://www.amazon.com/Kester-No-Clean-Flux-Core-Solder/dp/B004X4KSZQ [00:28]
ReadErr: this series [00:28]
ReadErr: but a lot of smt stuff i do with paste [00:28]
ReadErr: mircea_popescu: is mp-wp some wordpress ? [00:29]
ben_vulpes: ReadErr: how much of a hassle is it to throw waypoints or actuator setpoints at one of those fcs of yours while its flying? [00:29]
danielpbarron: ReadErr, i can send it to you. i got it from shinohai [00:30]
ReadErr: ben_vulpes: well, with a tablet its quite easy [00:30]
danielpbarron: ReadErr, it's the wordpress that runs trilema.com [00:30]
ben_vulpes: oya? wifi stuff? [00:30]
ReadErr: ahh i see [00:30]
ReadErr: ben_vulpes: not wifi typically [00:30]
danielpbarron: a preserved in amber old version of wordpress [00:30]
ReadErr: its a noisy spectrum [00:30]
ben_vulpes: how dyou get setpoints from table to fc then [00:30]
ReadErr: a lot of guys in america use 433 or 915mhz [00:30]
ReadErr: packet radio [00:31]
ReadErr: here 1sec [00:31]
asciilifeform: lol garage remote spectrum [00:31]
asciilifeform: fulla liquishit [00:31]
mircea_popescu: ReadErr yeah it's what i use for interfacing all my hosting needs. [00:33]
mircea_popescu: finetuned to perfection. [00:33]
ReadErr: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/UOKmFuKE/banknwank.png [00:34]
ReadErr: that i just did to go full blow HIV [00:35]
ReadErr: and put a bunch of stuff on it [00:35]
ReadErr: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/xfty3Y2Q/tx.png [00:36]
ben_vulpes: hiv? [00:36]
ReadErr: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/H0eklgO2/dataradio.png [00:37]
ReadErr: those there a specifically for serial data [00:37]
ben_vulpes: !!reputation ReadErr [00:38]
asciilifeform: ReadErr: why the prefab rf modules ? why not make whole thing ? [00:38]
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/rW7n7/?raw=true [00:38]
asciilifeform: !!up ReadErr [00:39]
deedbot: ReadErr voiced for 30 minutes. [00:39]
ReadErr: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/SKxLkae2/smallest.png [00:39]
ReadErr: this one lol [00:39]
ReadErr: some guy got into a pissing contest saying he had the smallest UHF receiver [00:39]
ben_vulpes: ReadErr: what does 'HIV' stand for? [00:39]
ReadErr: so i just did that to be spiteful [00:39]
ReadErr: human immunodeficiency virus [00:40]
ReadErr: i was kidding it doesnt have HIV [00:40]
ReadErr: but 'full blown aids' is like a expression people use for everything but the kitchen sink [00:40]
ben_vulpes: new one on me [00:40]
ReadErr: atleast in certain circles [00:40]
ben_vulpes: subject of circles where does this timecop feller and this otherguy with the uhf dick swinging habit all hang out? [00:41]
ReadErr: well timecop is kinda out of the scene now, the other guy was just a random on a forum [00:42]
ReadErr: but he wasnt releasing his source [00:42]
ReadErr: and it was part of an opensource project i was involved in [00:42]
ReadErr: so i did this one in a few hrs and put it on github [00:42]
ReadErr: so ppl had an option if they wanted to make it or not [00:42]
ben_vulpes: so whatcha working on now? [00:46]
ReadErr: reworking some stuff for a DIY oxygen concentrator [00:49]
ReadErr: for running torches [00:49]
ReadErr: glass and whatnot [00:50]
ReadErr: its kind of an odd area of the law, since they are sold as medical devices [00:51]
ReadErr: its grey buying 2nd hand units [00:51]
ReadErr: but this one has a higher output than several of the medical ones combined and costed much less [00:52]
asciilifeform: from where didja get the zeolite, ReadErr ? [00:53]
ReadErr: 1sec lemme find the invoice [00:53]
ReadErr: i got a ton though lol [00:53]
ReadErr: Products Model Price Total [00:55]
ReadErr: 1 x 5A 8X12 Molecular Sieve Desiccant - 25 LB Box MS5A81225 $99.25 $99.25 [00:55]
ReadErr: Sub-Total: $99.25 [00:55]
ReadErr: UPS Ground : $20.85 [00:55]
ReadErr: Tax: $0.00 [00:55]
ReadErr: Total: $120.10 [00:55]
ReadErr: https://www.deltaadsorbents.com/molecular-sieve [00:55]
ReadErr: so much cheaper when you buy 25# [00:56]
ReadErr: asciilifeform: you have some concentrators ? [01:00]
ReadErr: asciilifeform: just noticed re: modules [01:07]
ReadErr: its mostly an ease thing [01:07]
ReadErr: and they are so cheap (5$) from china [01:08]
ReadErr: all the matching stuff ends up being quite a bit of extra parts [01:08]
mircea_popescu: wd. [01:17]
ReadErr: 1:09 AM <ReadErr> TI has some cortex/RF SoC for those ranges [01:17]
ReadErr: 1:09 AM <ReadErr> if i went that route i would just try one of theirs [01:17]
ReadErr: didnt notice the unvoice [01:17]
mircea_popescu: ReadErr the channel is logged, see eg http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1762950 [01:17]
a111: Logged on 2018-01-03 06:17 ReadErr: didnt notice the unvoice [01:17]
ReadErr: so now that im authenticated it wont -v ? [01:17]
mircea_popescu: there's no need to worry anyone misses anything you say [01:17]
mircea_popescu: and yes, now it won't -v [01:17]
ReadErr: nice good deal [01:17]
ReadErr: so is this stuff decentralized as well? [01:18]
ReadErr: or does it all hinge on deedbot [01:18]
danielpbarron: the log is hosted in at least 3 places, but decentralized is a sort of USG buzzword bullshit [01:18]
mircea_popescu: yes, for instance http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-1-3#274054 [01:18]
ReadErr: multi-homed ? [01:19]
trinque: rendunderant [01:19]
danielpbarron: that's a better term, sure [01:19]
ReadErr: so like master/slave dbs [01:19]
trinque: just multiple bots present logging. [01:19]
ReadErr: gotcha [01:19]
ReadErr: just quiet ones [01:19]
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20180103/#316 etc [01:20]
scriba: Logged on 2018-01-03: [06:19:00] <mircea_popescu> yes, for instance http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-1-3#274054 [01:20]
ReadErr: so question [01:20]
ReadErr: if theres a netsplit [01:20]
ReadErr: hows that work in terms of missing pieces [01:20]
mircea_popescu: ReadErr actually there's all sorts of functionality implemented, see http://www.contravex.com/trilema-bots-directory/ for the list [01:20]
mircea_popescu: ReadErr if theres a netsplit every bot sees its shard generally discussion stops tho. [01:21]
mircea_popescu: if you read the logs, you'll see there's a lot of important stuff in there. [01:21]
danielpbarron: like the intel shit that's blowing up [01:21]
mircea_popescu: anyway, you can make one too, if you want, it's not that hard. [01:21]
mircea_popescu: take http://trinque.org/tag/ircbot/ and run with it. [01:22]
ReadErr: ahh cool off ircbot [01:23]
mircea_popescu: afaik this is new. [01:23]
ReadErr: ive been wanting a reason to mess with https://github.com/irccloud/irccat [01:24]
trinque: it is. [01:24]
trinque: danielpbarron: how'd that cuntoo build go [01:24]
mircea_popescu: ah, that's a different item. [01:24]
ReadErr: the idea of being able to echo outputs of stuff into iirc [01:24]
ReadErr: irc* [01:24]
ReadErr: makes quick stuff really easy [01:24]
mircea_popescu: ReadErr that's the idea. ircbot is in lips if you dont' grok that there's also supybot which iirc is python [01:24]
mircea_popescu: and maybe others. [01:24]
ReadErr: its pretty light footprint wise [01:24]
danielpbarron: trinque, it finished but my rapid enter hitting caused it to default the user creation part, and i've yet to chroot back in to fix it [01:25]
ReadErr: i run a supybot on efnet mostly for twitter crap [01:25]
mircea_popescu: aha [01:25]
ReadErr: its easier to see the stuff in a channel [01:25]
ReadErr: than twitter.com [01:25]
trinque: danielpbarron: lol, classic "next" mashing. [01:25]
trinque: I should've put one of those fancy web toolbars in there. [01:26]
mircea_popescu: pretty much everything is easier/better if you take the silicon valley idiots out of the loop [01:26]
danielpbarron: i looks like it'll work tho, nice job [01:26]
ReadErr: what I *really* want [01:26]
ReadErr: is a irc twitter gateway kinda thing [01:26]
trinque: danielpbarron: ty if you made it to user creation you were done with the build [01:26]
ReadErr: you connect to a znc or some server proxy [01:26]
mircea_popescu: ReadErr how'd that work ? [01:26]
ReadErr: and each @user has a pm [01:26]
ReadErr: and channels would represent hashtags [01:27]
trinque: made it past lilo and all that. [01:27]
danielpbarron: the power at my house coincidentally went out on new years day and i'm still recovering from dancing [01:27]
mircea_popescu: ah like a twitter bridge ? very likely get banned. [01:27]
ReadErr: so you can add it to your client [01:27]
ReadErr: and view 1 users tweets in order [01:27]
ReadErr: reply [01:27]
ReadErr: etc [01:27]
ReadErr: yea API is kinda limited free tier [01:27]
mircea_popescu: twitter isn't likely going to support this. [01:27]
ReadErr: they will [01:28]
danielpbarron: twitter is absolutely fucked [01:28]
ReadErr: they just want $ [01:28]
ReadErr: for the extra api calls [01:28]
danielpbarron: that's not even the problem [01:28]
danielpbarron: they are trying to be facebook [01:28]
ReadErr: twitter culture is dumb [01:28]
ReadErr: but the few places i follow [01:28]
ReadErr: its easiest to get quick news [01:28]
ReadErr: and whatnot [01:28]
danielpbarron: it used to work well, when i could reply to "celebrities" and have my reply get top billing [01:29]
ReadErr: ohh crap check this out [01:29]
ReadErr: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/HLKXlIMY/bahahahatrump.png slightly nsfw maybe [01:29]
ReadErr: those 1st reply bots [01:30]
mircea_popescu: !#s from:mircea "tumblr" [01:30]
a111: 2366 results for "from:mircea \"tumblr\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Amircea%20%22tumblr%22 [01:30]
mircea_popescu: ^ talking of nsfw. [01:30]
danielpbarron: oo that's a good url [01:30]
ReadErr: lol mircea_popescu nice stuff [01:31]
ReadErr: a lot of freenode chans are stuffy about that kinda thing [01:31]
ReadErr: efnet doesnt really care [01:31]
ReadErr: every click is risky [01:31]
ReadErr: holy crap, 1700+ entries [01:32]
mircea_popescu: lol [01:32]
mircea_popescu: it says, 2366 [01:32]
ReadErr: oh hm odd [01:32]
ReadErr: it changes per page [01:32]
ReadErr: good having folks like you that paste the good stuff, sift though the bad [01:33]
mircea_popescu: indeed. [01:33]
danielpbarron: i used that search to print out a stack of papers to post in a co-workers office, got fired. [01:33]
mircea_popescu: ahahaha [01:33]
* danielpbarron regrets nothing [01:37]
ReadErr: mircea_popescu you trust wordpress enough ? [01:38]
mircea_popescu: mp-wp yeah. [01:38]
ReadErr: ive seen so many boxes compromised from garbage wp pluggins [01:39]
mircea_popescu: it's been running trilema for almost a decade, 0 spam 0 issues. [01:39]
mircea_popescu: nah. [01:39]
ReadErr: timthumb etc [01:39]
mircea_popescu: it comes with all the plugins you need. [01:39]
ReadErr: do you just prevent uploading? [01:39]
mircea_popescu: no, there's tons of pics on trilema. look : http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ [01:39]
ReadErr: hahah 0.02BTC for tit pics nice [01:40]
danielpbarron: sorta why i did 0.01, no tits < [01:41]
mircea_popescu: lol [01:41]
ReadErr: im not workin with much [01:44]
ReadErr: any reliable postage selling sites that take eth? [01:49]
mircea_popescu: notrly [01:49]
ReadErr: yea couldnt find much either [01:53]
ReadErr: i used stampnik ages ago [01:54]
ReadErr: but with fees and stuff its too much [01:54]
ReadErr: this must be one of those channels people actually sleep and live functional lives p [04:06]
BingoBoingo: !!up yangwao [08:39]
deedbot: yangwao voiced for 30 minutes. [08:39]
BingoBoingo: yangwao: Who is your daddy and what does he do? [08:39]
BingoBoingo: <ReadErr> this must be one of those channels people actually sleep and live functional lives p << Yes, and some people in this channel even get sent on missions to Montevideo. [08:40]
ReadErr: lol explain [08:41]
BingoBoingo: ReadErr: Well after a prolonged search for an acceptable ISP to host servers, not a single one in the world was found. So I was sent to Montevideo to work with a datacenter to start one. [08:42]
ReadErr: oh haha thats awesome [08:42]
ReadErr: setup a few racks? [08:43]
BingoBoingo: Well, starting with one. At the moment mostly learning Spanish and waiting for the papers that declare me a very.legit.bsnsman [08:44]
ReadErr: lol [08:45]
ReadErr: i have so many dumb domains now [08:45]
BingoBoingo: Anyways this is one of the few places where hard work, not being stupid, and sticking around leads to opportunities and access to leverage. [08:46]
ReadErr: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/2BB5JFL5/ [08:46]
ReadErr: i let chatting.pro expire though [08:47]
BingoBoingo: Ah, we have our own pastetank here courtesy of Senor ben_vulpes http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/ [08:48]
ReadErr: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/2Wm0S/?raw=true [08:48]
ReadErr: hard16 is for ascii stuff not 16 year olds btw (16 color palette) [08:49]
BingoBoingo: Ah [08:50]
ReadErr: it was afterwards i realized people might take it the wrong way [08:51]
ReadErr: how much you planning on deploying ? [08:52]
ReadErr: odd that you arrived at uraguay [08:53]
ReadErr: is it one of those bulletproof hosting setups or whatever [08:53]
BingoBoingo: Well, After scouring the world Hong Kong would have required demasiado racks to support human presence near the datacenter, Brazil's visa process involved too much time and bullshit, and Uruguay is like "cool man, whatever" [08:54]
ReadErr: must be a pretty serious thing if you can afford to do it fulltime for now [08:55]
BingoBoingo: The setup however is not bulletproof. It turns out they don't make ballistic rated servers or cabinets. [08:55]
ReadErr: lol surey they do :) [08:56]
BingoBoingo: Well, part of the secret is keeping the burn rate on the cash low. [08:56]
ReadErr: infact there was a german [08:56]
ReadErr: in linuxcnc [08:56]
ReadErr: thats all his company did [08:56]
ReadErr: crazy chassis for tanks and vehicles [08:56]
ReadErr: super shielded for RF [08:57]
ReadErr: but yea need remote hands avail [08:57]
BingoBoingo: Anyways, I am living in a hostel and rent a desk at a cowork space. The black people here are friendly, unlike in Saint Louis, and the girls are pretty. [08:59]
ReadErr: haha [08:59]
ReadErr: ive been to st. louis a few times with a buddy [09:00]
ReadErr: its not too bad, too cold though [09:00]
ReadErr: not much to do in the city but drink [09:00]
ReadErr: the AHB tour is neat though [09:00]
BingoBoingo: In the summer it's too hot in St Louis too. [09:01]
ReadErr: yea thats true too [09:01]
BingoBoingo: And were you there before or after Micheal Brown was martyred in August 2014? Since then the city's gone into a far more intense race war [09:01]
ReadErr: oh before [09:02]
ReadErr: way before [09:02]
ReadErr: imagine it depends what part of st louis you are [09:02]
ReadErr: theres the super nice areas [09:02]
ReadErr: and the super not nice ones [09:03]
BingoBoingo: It used to depend. Now not so much. [09:03]
BingoBoingo: The "nice" areas now are a daylight only sort of affair. Like the old "sundown towns" but in reverse [09:03]
ReadErr: i could see that [09:04]
ReadErr: now i mean [09:05]
ReadErr: didnt realize it got that bad though [09:05]
ReadErr: too midwestern for me [09:05]
BingoBoingo: Anyways if you go into St Louis now at night, even in the "nice" areas... there is a 50/50 chance you get surrounded by a crowd of youth with half of them on their phones calling your pasty ass a nigger and waiting to surprise you with WORLDSTARHIPHOP [09:05]
ReadErr: savage [09:08]
BingoBoingo: Or you know... There's the knockout game. [09:08]
BingoBoingo: Etc [09:08]
ReadErr: there was a guy on efnet [09:08]
ReadErr: ran his mouth off to some folks leaving a bar [09:08]
ReadErr: they beat him up pretty good [09:08]
ReadErr: he went to the news trying to say he was a knockout game victim [09:09]
BingoBoingo: Here the locals say Ciuda Vieja is dangerous at night. I walk around there at night. Very safe. Just a bunch of idle dorks sitting around. [09:09]
ReadErr: but it all kinda backfired [09:09]
ReadErr: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/qmDVnolq/lolward.png [09:10]
BingoBoingo: Ah [09:11]
ReadErr: probably karma related, he was always trying to scheme [09:12]
ReadErr: one of those types [09:12]
BingoBoingo: ReadErr: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/ for updates on the journey here. Disregard the name. I've been sober for a couple years now. [09:12]
ReadErr: gangster roll lol [09:13]
ReadErr: nice [09:13]
ReadErr: when i read mortar and 6 shells, i was thinking like real military stuff for some reason [09:17]
ReadErr: which could have been fun [09:17]
BingoBoingo: Nah, just the sparkly stuff. MP got the bigger stuff though http://trilema.com/2018/happy-mew-years/ [09:25]
danielpbarron: i did karaoke for new years. danced so hard i think i'm getting sick now [09:26]
ReadErr: i wan to go to a country that lets you toss live grenades [09:26]
ReadErr: no idea why [09:26]
ReadErr: just sounds fun [09:26]
danielpbarron: or a country that can't stop you from throwing them. who cares what they "let you do" [09:30]
ReadErr: I mean, real talk, i would settle on a flashbang too [09:31]
danielpbarron: be like best korea. not allowed to have nukes. gets nukes anyway [09:31]
ReadErr: a RGP would be fun too [09:32]
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all [09:48]
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deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/01/03/una-bandita-robo-mi-escalara-de-cama-un-historia-para-todos-edads/ << Bingo Blog - Una Bandita Robo Mi Escalara De Cama Un Historia Para Todos Edads [10:36]
BingoBoingo: ^ Monday night's adventure [10:37]
asciilifeform: in other lulz, intel ceo sells 100% of the stock his contract permitted him to sell ( and even filed the mandatory usg report to hitler, hence how it came out ) [11:03]
asciilifeform: 0 mention in 'mainstream media' re the obvious reason ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1720909 ) why. [11:03]
a111: Logged on 2017-10-05 00:19 asciilifeform: here's a choice lulzgem: 'One-location hammering is based on a previously unknown Rowhammer effect. With one-location hammering, the attacker only runs a Flush+Reload loop on a single memory address at the maximum frequency. This virtually keeps the DRAM bank permanently open. We observed that one-location hammering drains enough charge from the DRAM cells to induce bit flips.' [11:03]
asciilifeform: but in very unrelated lulz, https://archive.is/bON1p >> 'It’s a bit absurd that a modern gaming machine running at 4,000x the speed of an apple 2, with a CPU that has 500,000x as many transistors (with a GPU that has 2,000,000x as many transistors) can maybe manage the same latency as an apple 2 in very carefully coded applications if we have a monitor with nearly 3x the refresh rate.' [11:05]
asciilifeform: ^ though i'ma nitpick, i actually ~had~ ( nao sold, ty phf ! for finding buyer ) a symbolics 3620 and it beat the shit out of the 2000s crapples, winblowz boxen, etc, at least subjectively. ( i did not obtain a 1000fps camera, unlike in the experiment claimed by linked item ) [11:07]
asciilifeform: 'If we look at overall results, the fastest machines are ancient. Newer machines are all over the place. Fancy gaming rigs with unusually high refresh-rate displays are almost competitive with machines from the late 70s and early 80s, but “normal” modern computers can’t compete with thirty to forty year old machines.' [11:10]
asciilifeform: overall notbad.jpg. [11:10]
* asciilifeform suspects that subjective latency depends more on statistical spread than the avg delay. [11:15]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1762942 << nope. and imho ye olde 'water torch' is more interesting tech ( no need to buy o2 OR fuel... ) [11:15]
a111: Logged on 2018-01-03 06:00 ReadErr: asciilifeform: you have some concentrators ? [11:15]
phf: happy new year, tmsr [11:17]
asciilifeform: ohai phf ! [11:17]
phf: so i pulled an old iphone out of storage for travel, and discovered that half the ips it gets are klined on freenode. at least from nyc [11:18]
asciilifeform: gets from where [11:18]
asciilifeform: ( which telco ? ) [11:18]
phf: tmobile [11:18]
* asciilifeform wonders if same is true in other million-meatbag cities [11:19]
phf: asciilifeform: oh hey so i posted my solution on chapter 5, and this time around i have an id: 18558 [11:22]
asciilifeform: phf: irc on shitpnojes sucks mightily. can be made ~tolerable with 'bouncer' . [11:22]
asciilifeform: phf: i'ma look, 1s [11:22]
asciilifeform: phf: it was under a tall pile of spamola. should be visible nao. [11:23]
phf: ty [11:23]
asciilifeform: PeterL's too. [11:23]
asciilifeform: congrats to phf and PeterL : solved ch4. [11:24]
phf: oh hey, PeterL also did an optimization that i didn't notice at the time [11:27]
asciilifeform: phf: be so kind as to demonstrate yours on pehbot for the permalog [11:28]
asciilifeform: ( and PeterL when he comes , i will ask this also ) [11:28]
asciilifeform: hm it croaked...? [11:29]
asciilifeform: just... vanished. left 0 record of why. [11:31]
phf: welcome to running an irc bot [11:31]
* asciilifeform wonders if it is even in principle possible to make a freenode-crapolade-tolerant bot [11:32]
asciilifeform: betcha that's what killed it [11:32]
asciilifeform: prolly cheapest pill is simply to sit it down behind znc [11:32]
asciilifeform: !~later tell trinque how does deedbot's block-fetch history for past 2wk look ? zoolag's performed very, very well re 'tip of spear' , and there appear to exist at least 5 other fully-synced trb boxen that regularly speak to it. [11:42]
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. [11:42]
ben_vulpes: mine's been doing a marvelous job at staying at the tip, and i suspect that my network slices have made transaction broadcasting more reliable, but This Ain't Science [11:56]
phf: !!up pehbot [11:59]
deedbot: pehbot voiced for 30 minutes. [11:59]
phf: !A .1.2#[, ]# [11:59]
pehbot: phf: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000002, 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 [11:59]
phf: the algorithm http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2071&cpage=1#comment-18558 is recursive, where a base case examines two values at the top of the stack and leaves the one that's larger: ``< {'_}{_} _ [12:06]
phf: !A .1.2 ``<{'_}{_}_ # [12:06]
pehbot: phf: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000002 [12:06]
phf: !A .3.2 ``<{'_}{_}_ # [12:06]
pehbot: phf: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000003 [12:06]
phf: the base operation is comparison <, but it drops both numbers, so we need to preserve them first by using a `` . we are left with a boolean result of a comparison and the two numbers [12:07]
phf: !A .1.2 ``< #[, ]#[, ]# [12:07]
pehbot: phf: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001, 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000002, 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 [12:07]
phf: !A .3.2 ``< #[, ]#[, ]# [12:07]
pehbot: phf: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000, 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000002, 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000003 [12:07]
phf: using the boolean we execute an if/else branch which either swaps the two numbers and drops the top most '_, or drops the top most without swapping _. the final drop _ is an artifact of conditional implementation that always leaves a value on the stack. [12:07]
phf: !A .1.2.1 {'_}{_}_ # [12:07]
pehbot: phf: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000002 [12:07]
phf: !A .3.2.0 {'_}{_}_ # [12:07]
pehbot: phf: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000003 [12:07]
phf: we repeat the base case n-1 times. [12:07]
asciilifeform: phf: dunno that 'recursive' is the word. it's a wholly ordinary iteration. [12:14]
asciilifeform: but yes phf's algo -- worx. [12:14]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763202 << i've been thinking of abolishing the artifact where a 0 stays on the stack after the 'else' branch. it'd require only 1 extra state variable ( a WBool ) [12:17]
a111: Logged on 2018-01-03 17:07 phf: using the boolean we execute an if/else branch which either swaps the two numbers and drops the top most '_, or drops the top most without swapping _. the final drop _ is an artifact of conditional implementation that always leaves a value on the stack. [12:17]
ben_vulpes: so i dug this ti-89 platinum out of my closet last night to have something tactile to do arithmetic on and holy shit i'd completely forgotten about the input lag [12:37]
ben_vulpes: not only that but it doesn't display 8 decimal places naively, and i don't care to figure out how to fixit, so it got binned on the spot. [12:38]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: throw out and get normal 89 (blue) or, best , 92 ( cheapo, 20bux or so surplus ) [12:38]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i've always liked ~good~ pocket calcs. ( not as a comp replacement, or a head replacement, but exactly as a 'tactile arithmetization' plaything. ) but no good ones have been made in decade+ or i expect ever will be again. [12:46]
asciilifeform: the ones currently sold are ~= ipnoje-running-emulator, internally ( 32bit 'arm' with 100s of MB of ram -- and doesn't add up to the original's 1980s 68k cpu ) [12:47]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-10#1269083 << see also thread. [12:49]
a111: Logged on 2015-09-10 00:32 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you're mystified as to wtf all of this was, these old gadgets are (literally) 'derive.exe'-in-a-can. [12:49]
* asciilifeform discovers that all of the links in that thread, are dead... [12:49]
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763208 << i think that's a matter of perspective. i treat is as what knuth&graham call a "recurrent problem", i.e. it can be solved by finding a small case, which is self-similar to the whole. the solution can also be proved by induction [12:51]
a111: Logged on 2018-01-03 17:14 asciilifeform: phf: dunno that 'recursive' is the word. it's a wholly ordinary iteration. [12:51]
mircea_popescu: it's rather likely the boys-best-friend calc went exactly the way of lassie. too expensive, and who is the terrorist reminding people that back in the 60s, every boy owned a dog as training for when he'll own a bitch. [12:53]
asciilifeform: the proximate cause of death was, reportedly, the discontinuation of the jp micropower 68k and accompanying chipset, as that atlantis sank. and not replaced. [12:54]
mircea_popescu: "lack of demand", in the sense of "demand" that is informed and deliberate. [12:54]
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform exhaustively scouted the market for any similar item, found 0 ) [12:54]
mircea_popescu: same reason us never managed to get restaurants as a thing [12:54]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763090 << he's just a pretty serious kind of guy. [12:56]
a111: Logged on 2018-01-03 13:55 ReadErr: must be a pretty serious thing if you can afford to do it fulltime for now [12:56]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763108 << i had to google the name, ran across principally the picture of an ugly orc thug in one of those university bonnets. why the fuck is a 18yo monkey wearing collegiate apparel, not nearly old enough ? [12:58]
a111: Logged on 2018-01-03 14:01 BingoBoingo: And were you there before or after Micheal Brown was martyred in August 2014? Since then the city's gone into a far more intense race war [12:58]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763220 << since for some reason nobody's said it yet, i will admit that it is ordinary 'bubble sort' [12:59]
a111: Logged on 2018-01-03 17:51 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763208 << i think that's a matter of perspective. i treat is as what knuth&graham call a "recurrent problem", i.e. it can be solved by finding a small case, which is self-similar to the whole. the solution can also be proved by induction [12:59]
mircea_popescu: they mature quicker in the hood or what's being signalled here ? [12:59]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That's the one. [12:59]
BingoBoingo: Kid like his weed, was high, aggressed on weak looking suburban cop, got euthanised [13:00]
BingoBoingo: But the apparel is from his secondary school education. [13:01]
BingoBoingo: Urban schools put a greater emphasis on the regalia [13:01]
BingoBoingo: !!up mircea_popescu [13:03]
deedbot: mircea_popescu voiced for 30 minutes. [13:03]
* asciilifeform begins to suspect that mircea_popescu is a good candidate for that shortwave thing [13:03]
mircea_popescu: motherfucker, "completed an alternative education program" at normandy high school ? fucking shoot him. o, wait. [13:06]
mircea_popescu: "amateur musician", check out the thickness of delusion on these people. RAPPERS ARE NOT MUSICIANS OMFG! [13:07]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no dood, the usg can turn it off! unlike you know, interwebs. [13:07]
asciilifeform: lollers [13:07]
* asciilifeform calculated that he could, in principle, do 2way 9600 baud with mircea_popescu with <10 watt [13:08]
phf: kinky [13:08]
mircea_popescu: now calculate how much the dumbass ciscos burn on javascript-emulated iphone-for-nsa. [13:09]
mircea_popescu: there's what, a dozen switches in between ? [13:09]
asciilifeform: aha, we had this thread [13:09]
asciilifeform: and >dozen . remember, cisco has to put it through london and brisbane... [13:09]
asciilifeform: ( unsurprisingly they don't all show up on traceroute ) [13:10]
mircea_popescu: phf you know, "kinky" is rapidly becoming a very dirty word, sorta like "moron" ? 99% of my exposure to "kinky" comes from reviewing bot logs, where the pattern is 1. item self-identifies as "kinky" 2. bot goes through HELO/EHLO with them, provides entry point 3. they come back with "here is my valuation of $entry-point". because totally, anon bitch on meat market is a) in some kind of position of power and b) being asked [13:13]
mircea_popescu: for her oh-so-precious evaluation of things, that's why the world exists, so she can say "i rate this very good and interesting" then there they sit like so many manatees, "i am kinky and what's an entry point?!" [13:13]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763132 << it's kinda funny how all sorta three-toothpicks-tied-together doods go like "oh, knockout game". the FUCKING IDEA is to knock out someone by surprise when it's even vaguely conceivable you couldn't have otherwise. who the fuck is going to "knockout game" some dood that looks like he'd get knocked out falling out of bed / in some kind of toothbrush incident. [13:16]
a111: Logged on 2018-01-03 14:12 ReadErr: probably karma related, he was always trying to scheme [13:16]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i pictured 'knockout' as vaguely like the thing where bratva would 'lose a man at cards' [13:17]
mircea_popescu: "i was brushing my teeth this morning, officer, and i got distracted by a finger's worth of underboob in that gym advertisment, and so accidentally hit myself in the jaw with the toothrbush and that's the last i remeber! THERE WERE THREE OF THEM AND THEY WERE BLACK!!!1" [13:18]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, it's a very genuine social dynamic in monkey society (or "african-american" if you prefer), wherein strength dominates the very crowded quarters they're forced into, but speed is more useful for the group (as seen in ferguson, say). consequently, quick fuckers now and again scurry behind the big kahuna and knock him out, just foer the experience of it. [13:19]
mircea_popescu: mechanism to "loosen out the pressure", if you will, ie textbook social dynamic. if you want context see ice cube & butt buddy interaction with their landlady's son in that abomination i referenced recently, wtf was it [13:20]
phf: mircea_popescu: i go to burning man related parties, i'm unfortunately very familiar with what "kink scene" is. at this point using any relevant terminology as applied to self is suspect. [13:20]
mircea_popescu: "friday after next" [13:21]
mircea_popescu: phf and when did the ustard female fall into this "everything exists to justify itself to me" trap anyway ? dude! if you're under 30 nobody's going to seek you out to explain lengthy explanation to obtain your permission, what the holy fuck omfg! [13:22]
mircea_popescu: i suspect it's "school"-induced passivization, "i have to spend twelve hours a day while a bunch of teachers/advertisers/politicans/whatever try their best to summon my attention out of the fatty crevices it hides into" [13:23]
phf: a country full of enablers [13:23]
mircea_popescu: i can't imagine who has the energy/resources even. but... [13:24]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763141 << the us "lets you" in the same way anyone ever will, drive to the desert and blast away. the only problem is that i'd rate throwing grenades at more annoying (in the sense, you'd have to pay me more to do it) than using a concrete drill/chainsaw for four hours. PER ITEM. even if you have the shoot spiggot on the ak they're a pain in the butt. [13:25]
a111: Logged on 2018-01-03 14:26 ReadErr: i wan to go to a country that lets you toss live grenades [13:25]
mircea_popescu: nfi who'd throw grenades recreationally, but i suspect the reason it's part of mental diagnosis is because it's so fucking unfun, you have to have serious issues to think otherwise. [13:26]
mircea_popescu: in there with "i gnaw at my own prepuce and shove nail clippings into my lacrimal ducts" sorta "fun" [13:26]
asciilifeform: i suspect that almost any chore, in measured doses, is somebody's hobby somewhere. [13:29]
asciilifeform: ( see also the gardening thread.. ) [13:29]
mircea_popescu: i suppose... [13:31]
ReadErr: lol nah just from playing games [13:31]
ReadErr: seems like it would be fun [13:32]
mircea_popescu: though i also suppose misrepresentation in media has a lot to do with ellaborate misperception. no, if you drop one on your toe you're not going to escape with merely the gift of blindness, "like that guy in scent of a woman". [13:32]
mircea_popescu: ReadErr it's almost definitionally unfun. "you pressed button X, now you have ten seconds to save your life". hurr. [13:32]
phf: it's a common redneck activity here, i've been to a desert event where guy was shooting a mortar [13:32]
ReadErr: oh yea the damage is way less in a game [13:32]
ReadErr: but the physics of it [13:32]
ReadErr: i always liked, arc, velocity etc [13:33]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually frag is very capricious item, 'good rng' , 100+ yrs of credible reports of folx within 'guaranteed corpse' radius, surviving with minor injury [13:33]
asciilifeform: ( granted not at 'dropped on foot' radius ) [13:33]
mircea_popescu: phf at least mortar is only OCCASIONALLY harmful to the fun seeker. [13:33]
ReadErr: i cant throw a baseball so id probably die [13:33]
mircea_popescu: (recall that case of usg "trained" special op dead in mortar "accident" ?) [13:33]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes yes, wake me up when YOU are the dood they make a film about. [13:34]
mircea_popescu: capricious is not a good word in this context. [13:34]
asciilifeform: lol [13:34]
ReadErr: mircea_popescu: what about a flashbang [13:35]
phf: asciilifeform: oblig http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBuAfIjsFVk&t=1m20s [13:36]
asciilifeform: lol! [13:37]
BingoBoingo: !<mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763132 << it's kinda funny how all sorta three-toothpicks-tied-together doods go like "oh, knockout game". the FUCKING IDEA is to knock out someone by surprise when it's even vaguely conceivable you couldn't have otherwise. who the fuck is going to "knockout game" some dood that looks like he'd get knocked out falling out of bed / in some kind of toothbrush incident. << In St Louis [13:38]
a111: Logged on 2018-01-03 14:12 ReadErr: probably karma related, he was always trying to scheme [13:38]
BingoBoingo: not uncommon for the elderly azn shopkeeps to get "knockout game"'d [13:38]
BingoBoingo: In other news, went to the accountant (very short walk) to sign papers again because... The office of officing things apparently has an anal child thing when it comes to matching signatures [13:40]
mircea_popescu: ReadErr those are supposed to be safe tho you'll prolly lose your lunch [13:40]
* mircea_popescu has never tried [13:40]
asciilifeform: lose eardrums [13:40]
mircea_popescu: what ? [13:41]
asciilifeform: 'flashbang' [13:41]
mircea_popescu: did you say something ? [13:41]
asciilifeform: ( beloved plaything of -- at this point -- even smallest american police precinct ) [13:41]
asciilifeform: aha. [13:41]
mircea_popescu: ReadErr anyway, if you like arc velocity etc, know you're not the first. the french word is patanque. [13:41]
mircea_popescu: get yerself some marbles. [13:42]
phf: exploding marbles! [13:42]
mircea_popescu: why the fuck. everything is better with explosions ? [13:42]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> (recall that case of usg "trained" special op dead in mortar "accident" ?) << There was one of those from the home town. 1 week till his USMC contract expired, mortar exploded in Arizona desert during training exercise [13:43]
mircea_popescu: why not exploding fossil amber marbles with tyronasauri trapped inside! they could gnaw at your ankles! play it in the bed of a piranha infested river! [13:43]
mircea_popescu: ADVENTURE!!! [13:43]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo iirc these were photographers or something, "will never be forgotten" etc. ofcourse meanwhile... [13:44]
asciilifeform: stimulation-starved folx are like thirsty in the desert, 'could drink a river!111' [13:44]
mircea_popescu: ok, but do me a favour, don't drink the whole river at the same time. [13:44]
phf: mircea_popescu: oblig http://oglaf.com/obituator/ [13:44]
mircea_popescu: drink it over you know, lifetime. methodically! [13:44]
mircea_popescu: phf ahaha that thing. "comes alive at night AND FUCKS YOUR WIFE!!!" has endured as a harem ditty. [13:45]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> why the fuck. everything is better with explosions ? << Well, what's the next Republican holiday? Gotta challenge the Latino Christmasen. [13:45]
mircea_popescu: ftr, i think it's bandiDos, bb [13:47]
mircea_popescu: and of course escalera. [13:48]
BingoBoingo: ty, fxing [13:48]
mircea_popescu: aaand... edades [13:48]
mircea_popescu: three in one title! [13:48]
mircea_popescu: and you still gotta get the hang of spanish flow. "la noche pasada, nadie robar mi escalara" = "last night, nobody to steal my steer" is funny, but "la noche pasada nadie me robo nada" a little more in the vein of common speech. [13:50]
mircea_popescu: and wtf ivory bunks you got there. chicago man can't jump ?! [13:51]
ReadErr: mircea_popescu: bocce ball was my game ) [13:51]
ReadErr: not like on the traditional boxes but more freestyle [13:51]
BingoBoingo: Jumping is not a gringo power. They even made a movie titled "White men can't jump" [13:51]
mircea_popescu: ah, they have it there too ? so then. [13:51]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo dude when i was your age i jumped INTO a chicks bunk. [13:52]
asciilifeform: are the bunks 3-level нары in BingoBoingostan , or wat [13:52]
mircea_popescu: he lives in the tower of song [13:52]
asciilifeform: the ones asciilifeform slept in at uni dorm were jumpable-IN as well as out [13:52]
asciilifeform: ( with effort ) [13:52]
mircea_popescu: an' he aches in the places where he used to play. [13:52]
BingoBoingo: Two level [13:53]
mircea_popescu: one of my dreams is to one day visit a nubile young woman's place of domicile and discover this slighlty humid cave, with beds piled up like racks, 20 of them on either side. [13:54]
mircea_popescu: "let me guess, you're top floor ?" "how did you know ?" [13:54]
BingoBoingo: Well, this slightly humid cave only has 8 [13:54]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i mean, you know, 20 layers of bunk. [13:54]
BingoBoingo: Ah [13:54]
mircea_popescu: maybe the next shoah. [13:55]
BingoBoingo: Quizas [13:55]
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2018/01/03/better-than-a-store-of-value-g-g-g-gold-makes-for-k-k-k-killer-lapel-pins/ << Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Better than a store of value, g-g-g-gold makes for k-k-k-killer lapel pins. [13:57]
BingoBoingo: Anyways the overriding concern was the full bladder. Secondary concern is not knowing how long water's been making it through the roof and onto the floor. The parquet routinely gets pulled up by bare feet, which gives me doubts about the subfloor. [13:57]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763157 << which is why real men have old iron. [13:57]
a111: Logged on 2018-01-03 16:10 asciilifeform: 'If we look at overall results, the fastest machines are ancient. Newer machines are all over the place. Fancy gaming rigs with unusually high refresh-rate displays are almost competitive with machines from the late 70s and early 80s, but “normal” modern computers can’t compete with thirty to forty year old machines.' [13:57]
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all [14:09]
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 14866.13, vol: 14225.12741100 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 14831.0, vol: 50058.28258709 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 14959.1, vol: 2964.98727792 | Volume-weighted last average: 14844.0790269 [14:09]
mod6: <+asciilifeform> but yes phf's algo -- worx. << I came up with same: ``<{'_}{_}_ (n-1) [14:17]
mod6: or the reverse is fine too: ``>{_}{'_}_ (n-1) [14:18]
mod6: i never did get sha1 of my tape to equal anyone elses that were posted tho [14:19]
asciilifeform: mod6: phf had comments in his [14:21]
asciilifeform: so quite unlikely that anybody else's would be exactly same [14:22]
mod6: ahh [14:22]
mod6: gotcha, thx [14:22]
asciilifeform: mod6: see orig in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763192 [14:24]
a111: Logged on 2018-01-03 17:06 phf: the algorithm http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2071&cpage=1#comment-18558 is recursive, where a base case examines two values at the top of the stack and leaves the one that's larger: ``< {'_}{_} _ [14:24]
BingoBoingo: !!up Blockhawk [14:28]
deedbot: Blockhawk voiced for 30 minutes. [14:28]
BingoBoingo: Blockhawk: WHo is your daddy and what does he do? [14:28]
Blockhawk: He's an IRC bot and he asks trick questions [14:35]
asciilifeform: !!up pehbot [14:39]
deedbot: pehbot voiced for 30 minutes. [14:39]
asciilifeform: !A .9.1.7.5.1.1.0``<U``<U``<U``<U``<U``<U# [14:39]
pehbot: asciilifeform: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000009 [14:39]
asciilifeform: !A .3.1.7.9.1.1.0``<U``<U``<U``<U``<U``<U# [14:39]
pehbot: asciilifeform: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000009 [14:40]
asciilifeform: !A .3.FFFFFFFF.7.0.1.1.0``<U``<U``<U``<U``<U``<U# [14:40]
pehbot: asciilifeform: 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000FFFFFFFF [14:40]
phf: asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch5_egypt [14:40]
asciilifeform: ty phf ! [14:40]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763181 << i luled. [14:43]
a111: Logged on 2018-01-03 16:31 phf: welcome to running an irc bot [14:43]
BingoBoingo: !!down Blockhawk [14:44]
mod6: ah, simple mux did the trick. nice. [14:45]
asciilifeform: mod6: it's the 'official' answer, linked in ch5. [14:46]
mod6: oh i gotta check out ch5! [14:46]
phf: anybody know how to refresh gnu screen's config remotely? i set `escape ^))` which apparently doesn't work [14:47]
mircea_popescu: you mean screen the utility ? [14:48]
phf: yes [14:48]
mircea_popescu: c-a c-l should reprint ? [14:49]
phf: no c-a doesn't work anymore, since that's what escape directive does [14:49]
mircea_popescu: then reattach ? [14:49]
* mircea_popescu loathes redefining the escape sequence. [14:50]
BingoBoingo: Seriously, this is politically controversial here, how QUAINT! http://www.republica.com.uy/rossi-defendio-la-construccion-de-una-terminal-de-pasajeros-en-la-zona-del-dique-maua/ [14:55]
BingoBoingo: For the record, "Rambla sur" is the section of Rambla that crosses "Barrio Sur" aka where black people keep themselves here [14:56]
BingoBoingo: And in other commodities http://www.republica.com.uy/se-normaliza-suministro-combustible-punta-del-este/ [15:00]
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile back home: http://www.bnd.com/news/local/article192734909.html#wgt=trending [15:29]
BingoBoingo: "Illinois American Water issued the boil order for most of its metro-east service area, which includes Belleville, East St. Louis, Centreville, Brooklyn, Fairmont City, Sauget, Shiloh, Washington Park, Alorton, Cahokia, Swansea, Canteen Township, St. Clair Township, Stookey Township and Smithton Township. The boil order also affects utilities and communities who buy water wholesale from Illinois American and distribute the water [15:30]
BingoBoingo: locally, including Scott Air Force Base, O’Fallon, Fairview Heights, Caseyville, Millstadt, Waterloo, and the Metro-East Municipal Joint Action Water Agency, which serves Commonfields of Cahokia Public Water District and Columbia." [15:30]
asciilifeform: in other verymuch nonnews, asciilifeform for some reason only today realized that von neumann's fair coin algo is simply 'numerical differentiation' for discretes, and removes bias for the same reason differentiation removes constant [16:22]
asciilifeform: this wouldn't be worth writing about, except that it invites a gnarlier analysis q -- what is the bias that 1 round of faircoin ~does not~ remove ? ... analogous similarly directly to successive degrees of polynomial 'not removed' by differentiation in continuous functions ? can prove this ? [16:24]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah... [16:28]
mircea_popescu: and the non-constant part of the polynomial isn't bias. [16:28]
mircea_popescu: f(x) = f(y) for x, y arbitrarily chosen if and only if a1...an=0 [16:30]
asciilifeform: wat's a1 .. an ? [16:30]
mircea_popescu: indices of polynomial, corresponding to root 1..n [16:30]
asciilifeform: aa [16:30]
mircea_popescu: a0x^0 is the constant [16:30]
asciilifeform: then yea [16:30]
asciilifeform: i'ma have to eat the 'not bias!' answer. even tho it leaves me without a clean analysis-flavoured picture of why successive rounds of faircoin improve entropy metrics across-the-board (regardless of what litmus is chosen) [16:32]
mircea_popescu: because they're metrics! [16:33]
mircea_popescu: think about it for a second, what's the aleph of entropy ? [16:33]
asciilifeform: yes but why is ~this~ the only item they agree on. [16:33]
mircea_popescu: THERE CAN NOT BE SUCH A THING AS ORDERED ENTROPY! [16:33]
mircea_popescu: it's a set without meter! necessarily! [16:33]
asciilifeform: this is correct and makes my puzzle appear doubly puzzling. [16:33]
mircea_popescu: the problem are the metrics. [16:34]
asciilifeform: why is there , apparently... a meter. [16:34]
mircea_popescu: guess ? [16:34]
asciilifeform: well obviously cuz i'm missing sumthing [16:34]
asciilifeform: q is : what [16:34]
mircea_popescu: in this case, cuz you ~have~ something. [16:34]
asciilifeform: hm? [16:35]
mircea_popescu: the metrics lol. [16:35]
asciilifeform: it isn't clear to me why any such thing as 'distill the entropy' should be possible. [16:37]
mircea_popescu: well, i guess we break out the metaphors. suppose you're now a vintner. [16:37]
* asciilifeform supposes [16:37]
mircea_popescu: is there such a thing possible as "distill the wine", in the sense of "putting in less chicken droppings than previously" ? [16:38]
mircea_popescu: conversely, is there such a thing possible as "distil the wine", in the sense of, "taking a cask of wine in which were put no droppings of any kind, and making it wine-irier, somehiw" ? [16:38]
asciilifeform: theoretically yes. but not sure if analogous : chicken shit is visually separable from grape what we have here is rather moar like trying to distill the veritas from 'in vino veritas' [16:39]
mircea_popescu: alright, acceptable metaphor. [16:39]
asciilifeform: ( the entropy that ~all~ of the litmuses have in common, is an imaginary entity... ) [16:39]
mircea_popescu: replace words, structure still stands. [16:39]
asciilifeform: whenever i work on 'entropy' i get the uncomfortable suspicion that i am working with a phlogiston [16:40]
mircea_popescu: it's not even untrue. [16:41]
* asciilifeform regularly returns to the problem, if the reader has not guessed, of exactly what is the correct method of testing FG, other than ~against other FG~ [16:41]
asciilifeform: thing was built to avoid lying to itself and the operator re entropy. but that's only 1st step. [16:41]
mircea_popescu: there's no further steps. [16:43]
asciilifeform: if there are -- i dun know of any. yet. [16:43]
* asciilifeform also wonders which, if any, 'dieharder' litmus, the item displayed in http://www.loper-os.org/bad-at-entropy/manmach.html is analogous to [16:50]
asciilifeform: meanwhile in other but not wholly unrelated non-news, http://boris.ryabko.net/published-engl.pdf ( sorry, no human version available. ) << actual work on otp , from 2014 , by not-anglotards [17:01]
asciilifeform: ( http://boris.ryabko.net/papers.html << moar goodies . ) [17:01]
asciilifeform: ^ boatload of funstuff concerning , e.g., rng testing methodology rigorous approach to stego novel attacks on symmetriccipherolade various other interesting ( and quite compact ) items. [17:05]
asciilifeform: unsurprisingly anglotard 'cryptographic komyoonity' cites d00d : 0 times [17:06]
mircea_popescu: ha. [17:10]
asciilifeform: ryabko's been in business for quite a while. earliest item in '79. [17:11]
asciilifeform: meanwhile in entomology dept : http://www.zerothposition.com [17:25]
ben_vulpes: and in riotously amusing equalitarianism and whocouldapredictedz: "After the committee ruled in her favor, the municipality lowered the man's wages to Ms. Sigfusdottir's level. 'I went home crying,', she said in an interview. 'I would never have gone forward with the case knowing it would only lead to my colleague receiving less." [17:47]
ben_vulpes: from https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/03/world/europe/iceland-equal-pay.html [17:47]
asciilifeform: ahahahahaha [17:47]
ben_vulpes: no really, you're crying because he got dinged and not because you didn't get the raise? i am so very convinced. [17:48]
asciilifeform: 'for doing the same jobs' << old, grey-bearded lulzgem [17:48]
asciilifeform: 'Ms. Valdimarsdottir, an organizer of the demonstrations in 2016, said inequality still persisted in other areas of Icelandic society, such as wealth distribution and representation in the arts and literature, as well as in the upper echelons of business.' << didjaknow. [17:49]
mircea_popescu: i dunno who listens to these shitheads. [17:52]
mircea_popescu: but anyway, let the case of the dumb icelander cow be publicized, maybe they learn the fundamental lesson : "being stupid, which is to say being you, means that the more you '''try to help''' the worse it gets. for everyone." [17:59]
mircea_popescu: important life lesson for precious cuntlet. [17:59]
mircea_popescu: "what have we learned today, dottirsherd ?" "today we have learned that the capital duty incumbent upon the dottir herswoman is to find herself a master to obediently follow because if dottir herdswoman attempts to act of her own, disaster universally follows." [18:12]
mircea_popescu: then we can dispense bonbons. [18:12]
ben_vulpes: 'umble pie is an unknown delight for these people [18:20]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763264 [18:24]
a111: Logged on 2018-01-03 18:23 phf: a country full of enablers [18:24]
mircea_popescu: it is ~~~SHAMEFUL~~~ for an intelligent, productive person to permit the leeches to perpetuate their hallucinated comforts out of redirecting his output. [18:24]
mircea_popescu: it is EXACTLY like keeping a filthy house so cockroaches and rats can spread a shameful act and a polity delictus. [18:25]
ben_vulpes: what, like paying taxes? [18:25]
mircea_popescu: for instance. [18:26]
mircea_popescu: certainly giving money to fiatard alt-"sovereigns". [18:26]
BingoBoingo: "While Iceland has had equal pay laws in place since 1961, the new standard is seen as the first time that the small and prosperous nation of about 340,000" << This is a population in the range of "invadable by Uruguay if Uruguay were managed like USSA" [20:16]
mircea_popescu: somehow the "small" and "prosperous" relationship, as in, "for as long as you're not overpopulated, you can be prosperous" is not-evident to the pantsuit fans of iceland. [20:17]
mircea_popescu: "how about culling 95% of us pop ? then can be small and prosperous nation ?" [20:18]
mircea_popescu: god know it fucking was prosperous back when it was small enough. [20:18]
BingoBoingo: Seriously. Imagine if China got into the biodiesel business. [20:18]
mircea_popescu: they could write all the articles about binshinmindwin or however you call "Small and prosperous nation of middle-of-nowherica" you could possibly want. [20:19]
BingoBoingo: I mean, culturally Argentina and Uruguay are similar stock. But there is a palpable difference between the people of both places assembled and individually. [20:21]
BingoBoingo: And it can't be that one places grass is better than the other's for cow feeding [20:21]
BingoBoingo: Both countries shove just about everything into their capital cities [20:23]
trinque: I dunno wouldn't be a bad thing for someone to investigate if there's a sickly <-> pantsuit correlation [20:25]
BingoBoingo: !!up gabriel_laddel [20:27]
deedbot: gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes. [20:27]
BingoBoingo: Sup gabriel_laddel [20:27]
BingoBoingo: Escape KKKalifornia yet? [20:27]
gabriel_laddel: yea [20:27]
BingoBoingo: <trinque> I dunno wouldn't be a bad thing for someone to investigate if there's a sickly <-> pantsuit correlation << There is [20:27]
mircea_popescu: lel. "investigation complete." [20:28]
trinque: lol [20:28]
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: Where did you jailbreak to? [20:28]
trinque: so maybe the winds blow the shit away from montevideo better. [20:28]
gabriel_laddel: well actually democrats are less sexually satisfied in day to day life, which ~= sickly [20:28]
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo Ohio for now, prolly Ky soonish [20:29]
trinque: gabriel_laddel: got working feet yet? [20:29]
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: Eh, I would have recommended those places to you a few months ago, but seriously just get a place in Ciudad vieja. There's a coworking place near aguada park. [20:30]
gabriel_laddel: Nope. ISY in Ohio. Saw a COMPETENT WHITE DOCTOR today and got CAT scan + surgery scheduled [20:30]
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: That'll give us a corridor through the city [20:30]
trinque: BingoBoingo will put you in a backpack [20:30]
* gabriel_laddel is getting photoID etc here in Ohio so can go to SA. [20:31]
BingoBoingo: Also the people here... Whiter than in Ohio [20:31]
* gabriel_laddel doesn't care about 'white', but just so happens WMD (white male doctor) is far more talented than stanford semetic strange [20:32]
mircea_popescu: jooz make great doctors historically. [20:33]
gabriel_laddel: semetic strange = paki / nosed indian / arab [20:33]
* BingoBoingo only somewhat visually attractive to the local girls for his more northern euro facial features. Once BingoBoingo takes off his shirt and they see the tan lines though... all bets are in BingoBoingo's favor. [20:33]
* trinque just had joo oral surgeon chop out wisdom teeth, did a great job [20:34]
trinque: dude was like 4ft 10in [20:34]
mircea_popescu: in other holy shit sherlock news, the wind here actually got SO BAD!!! it bust down my door. fucking literally. [20:35]
gabriel_laddel: lol [20:36]
mircea_popescu: i thought some idiot actually kicked it, which makes no sense seeing how a few layers of metal grates etc to get to it. but i was like... oook, who dies today. [20:36]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i thought some idiot actually kicked it, which makes no sense seeing how a few layers of metal grates etc to get to it. but i was like... oook, who dies today. << AHA metal grates everywhere here too! [20:37]
gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes is there some way to search wotpaste for "sb-c::info" [20:37]
gabriel_laddel: I dropped some code in there I'd like to not rewrite. Destroyed old machines on traintracks before leaving CA... [20:38]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo this is a normal people wooden door, up on a ledge. whatevs. [20:38]
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel kept the paste 5-letter id then ? [20:38]
gabriel_laddel: nope [20:38]
mircea_popescu: pastes die in a week... [20:38]
gabriel_laddel: I can get it from customer was pasting to then [20:38]
BingoBoingo: trinque: How do you know that wasn't a leprachaun pretending to be pete's peeple? [20:40]
mircea_popescu: what, after the pout of gold ? [20:40]
BingoBoingo: You know... Big texas trinque with his big gold teeth [20:40]
gabriel_laddel: sam hyde [20:43]
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: no [20:43]
ben_vulpes: you did what now? [20:43]
gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes I destroyed my machines, usb sticks using the BART track before leaving. recover my harddrive bitches. [20:44]
ben_vulpes: dude... [20:44]
* gabriel_laddel has new inventory in CA, new machine here, no biggie [20:45]
BingoBoingo: BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA [20:47]
BingoBoingo: Why not Union Pacific. Heavier trains delete more securely [20:47]
gabriel_laddel: the party was in the train tunnels! [20:48]
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: You know if you come to Montevideo... They'll have an expocannabis again and you could actually be there this time. [20:48]
gabriel_laddel: ty but no pot for me. stim convention where and when, im there then. [20:49]
BingoBoingo: Ah, apparently the shit the kids chew is coca leaves. [20:49]
gabriel_laddel: which, incidentally, do they market crystal or "work" to you at all down there? [20:50]
BingoBoingo: Also Yerba's got a bit of a different kick than coffee [20:50]
BingoBoingo: Down here people tend not to market hard drugs to the gringo that doesn't drink or smoke pot. [20:50]
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: leaves not enough on their own, gotta throw in some of the magic dirt too [20:51]
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: By kids I mean the small homeless children. [20:52]
ben_vulpes: 'magic' just means alkaline necessary to make the reaction run. [20:52]
ben_vulpes: holy hell someone set off an alarm at a construction site down the street and now i cannot think through the blaring [20:53]
gabriel_laddel: pity. I was going to ask you what you know about there coca plants. [20:53]
BingoBoingo: Ah, here it is normal for the garage doors to be hooked up to sirens that sound when cars attempt to join traffic [20:53]
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: My impression is that in south america people with money generally only talk about their knowledge of hard drug markets within their wot [20:54]
BingoBoingo: Perhaps there are exceptions, but... No reason to let USG get free intel [20:55]
BingoBoingo: !!up gabriel_laddel [20:58]
deedbot: gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes. [20:58]
trinque: gabriel_laddel: if you were capable, you might review your own logs and notice that you talk about lisp less and this nonsense more. [20:58]
trinque: curious thing! [20:58]
gabriel_laddel: sigh what would you like to know about my lisp trinque [21:00]
trinque: !!v 781F6BC7DD99DBA3C2E0E8FBAA91B926DB2427586871D357AB5C2BCA72A8F55C [21:00]
deedbot: trinque rated gabriel_laddel -3 << vapid addict [21:00]
gabriel_laddel: dumbass. the reason I say nothing is because there is nothing to say about it other than "WIP". What, you need to hear about how pleased I am with (ALIAS 'f 'cl::defun)? gtfo' [21:01]
mircea_popescu: nothwithstanding that bb opened the pot talk, there's the problem that if i want to point to something to explain what you do to an innocent third party, i don't know where to, gabriel_laddel [21:03]
gabriel_laddel: trinque are there some local kids I can pay to ship me some senegalia berlandie? [21:03]
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu can show them this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1QlEJ-2Gho [21:04]
gabriel_laddel: Daniel can be seen for sales. He has right of way to sell M as he sees fit. [21:04]
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel dja see how this is rather in the vein of asciilifeform "future of internet" png ? [21:06]
gabriel_laddel: no? explain please? [21:07]
mircea_popescu: consider the discussion with phf ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760915 ) [21:07]
a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 21:30 mircea_popescu: here's a problem i perceive phf : you could guess about log(n) of my understanding of various things that interest me on the basis of reading trilema i could not guess epsilon of thge say your understanding of sbcl on the basis of reading whatever you provide voluntarily. i could glean it from this kind of interaction, but here's what that means : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760839 [21:07]
mircea_popescu: i can't, on the basis of that video, infer anything beyond, "hey, if we ever want to upload a youtube video with apologies about some software, maybe gabriel_laddel is free" [21:08]
gabriel_laddel: well for one, I'm not really prepared to sell M to the mass market & recently reached the conclusion that CLIM is backwards in a few fixable ways. #1, commands are to be computed by code walking rather than define-command & by using (declare) and FUNCTION-LAMBDA-LIST [21:10]
mircea_popescu: yes, but did you follow either asciilifeform or diana_coman 's approach to a very similar problem ? [21:11]
mircea_popescu: to wit, "computer algebra is broken in a few fixable ways" "digital cryptography is broken in a few fixable ways" ? [21:11]
gabriel_laddel: FTR: what I bring to the table is the closest thing to LISPM available, and direction + productive discussion for those already down the rabbit hole. Non-alices need not apply. [21:12]
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: I have not followed anything diana_coman has done, whatsoever. [21:12]
gabriel_laddel: will read her blog in full tonight tho [21:13]
mircea_popescu: well, either / both of them work for the purpose here. [21:13]
mircea_popescu: in other words : republican methodology for improving software, that was slowly swirling towards systematisation down the drain of v turned exponential / made some major breakthroughs in the past six weeks or so. [21:15]
mircea_popescu: many problems that previously had poor or altogether no solution are essentially resolved now as a result. [21:16]
gabriel_laddel: I am catching up on logs now, but until now have not bought into V whatsoever. [21:17]
gabriel_laddel: In my mind, lispm, or interlisp editor + fixed clim comes first. hence, have been following that route [21:18]
mircea_popescu: well, that's the fundamental problem here, you were left stranded. [21:19]
gabriel_laddel: eh, the rabbit tunnels will connect. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-02#1745646 is my motto & the world is a small place [21:23]
a111: Logged on 2017-12-02 22:16 mircea_popescu: but otherwise -- everything's sough. you got tits ? make money. you can code ? make money. you can draw ? make money. you "got relations" / can pr/whatever the fuck you got ? MAKE MONEY! [21:23]
mircea_popescu: yes, but until they do so connect you are at risk of "wtf is this and why is it in my feed" beheading. [21:25]
gabriel_laddel: acknowledged. [21:26]
gabriel_laddel: am trying to get passport so I can just show YOU rather than fking around with low-fidelity comms [21:27]
mircea_popescu: !!up Troika [21:38]
deedbot: Troika voiced for 30 minutes. [21:38]
mircea_popescu: !!up gabriel_laddel [21:38]
deedbot: gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes. [21:38]
Troika: Can one create a new WOT identity? For purposes of paying "corporate tax/tithe" to TMSR, as opposed to an individual WOT identity. [21:41]
mircea_popescu: why would these be separate ? [21:41]
Troika: In case the business changes hands or similar. [21:42]
mircea_popescu: it's personal tax, if the business changes hands you realise whatever you realise and that's that. [21:42]
Troika: Alright thanks -- back to lurking now, keep up the good work. [21:43]
mircea_popescu: to put it in other words : the republic does not deem corporatyions to be persons. a corporation can't owe tax for the exact same reason the united states government can't be sovereign. [21:43]
danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1763541 << sure, send me some and i'll see what i can do [21:51]
a111: Logged on 2018-01-04 02:04 gabriel_laddel: Daniel can be seen for sales. He has right of way to sell M as he sees fit. [21:51]
gabriel_laddel: thats a damn good idea, I was referring to DanG who hosted the youtube video tho [21:54]
danielpbarron: !!reputation DangG [21:54]
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/1b7VF/?raw=true [21:54]
gabriel_laddel: danielpbarron where are you located? I'm in cincy getting a job now to pay for some flights to see people like you [21:54]
danielpbarron: i'm in connecticut [21:55]
gabriel_laddel: aite. see you in next ~6 months. what city [21:56]
danielpbarron: no assurance i'll be in ct in 6 months [21:57]
danielpbarron: i'm in westbrook [21:57]
danielpbarron: but i can meet wherever as long as you give me some notice [21:59]
danielpbarron: i'll even buy you dinner [21:59]
gabriel_laddel: if you want to drop by out here, im in forest park [22:00]
danielpbarron: prolly not. [22:00]
gabriel_laddel: ticket is like240 so I'll see about signing bonus and then first weekend of job [22:00]
danielpbarron: !!up BigTexasBingo [22:08]
deedbot: BigTexasBingo voiced for 30 minutes. [22:08]
danielpbarron: !!up gabriel_laddel [22:08]
deedbot: gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes. [22:08]
BigTexasBingo: Yo tengo que hacer numero dos porque bebo mucho cafe. Anyways passport was not hard to get in the end. [22:09]
BigTexasBingo: Also probably best to sync long to brain before Costa Rica less all the Usted there feed your ego. [22:10]
BigTexasBingo: And the go to line "Para vos no soy tu. Yo soy usted" could be more likely to get you stabbed [22:12]
BigTexasBingo: Anyways gotta put ideas into text or else you keep getting greeted with "How are drugs today" [22:17]
BigTexasBingo: Me voy [22:17]
gabriel_laddel: I did. Nobody grokked. ARSTTEP. [22:18]
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