Forum logs for 02 Jan 2018

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
mircea_popescu: !!rated revnja [00:00]
deedbot: mircea_popescu has not rated revnja. [00:00]
mircea_popescu: !!reputation revnja [00:00]
deedbot: [00:00]
mircea_popescu: << muahahahaha! [00:09]
a111: Logged on 2018-01-02 03:55 ben_vulpes: myup that is 'the website' alrighty [00:09]
mircea_popescu: << did you write it ? [00:10]
a111: Logged on 2018-01-02 03:56 esthlos: << an offering [00:10]
mircea_popescu: !#s westphalia [00:13]
a111: 5 results for "westphalia", [00:13]
mircea_popescu: ah, nm, it was apparently in [00:14]
mircea_popescu: anyway, i had no idea anyone actually read bobbitt. for the sake of likbezing -- the last gasp of the western academic tradition (rip 1999, "bologna declaration") was this pile of cvasi-blog publications, trying to bring together what (scant) was left of scholarly knowledge and the limited forms of public consumption still vaguely functional. they're rather immediately evident for their structure, reference tree, even the tit [00:19]
mircea_popescu: ular conventions ("simple english" titles that admit a direct and somewhat meaningful interpretation while also referencing literary cannon, generally layeredly [there's both a modern poem as well as an item of that name in the instant case]), but not universally terrible. [00:19]
mircea_popescu: the most positive light to shine upon political hacks such as curtis yarvin would be that they "continue" this decay. [00:20]
mircea_popescu: the whole thing is basically "hey, middle earth worked for the oxford gang, nothing else worked in the post-war period, might as well apply it. what choice do we have ?" [00:21]
mircea_popescu: << his obvious counter is thart it's insane to arrange things such that progeny would come -ev. [00:27]
a111: Logged on 2018-01-02 04:08 ben_vulpes: why is it insane to not waste the resources on the quite likely -ev project of progeny? [00:27]
mircea_popescu: (this is mostly needed for the illusion of the female state to be maintained -- you can bet your sweet ass, literally speaking, that if there's money to be made in childbearing there's no "right of choice", nor does "no means yes, yes means yes, anal means we'll burn you at the stake" need any stating for how obvious it is) [00:28]
ben_vulpes: tangentially related, i was browsing the pantsuit history of victory in eradication of child labor just last night! [00:32]
ben_vulpes: but afaik you are correct in that the formulation hasta be "if you can't raise them as a +ev proposition, you didn't have any business doing it in the first place" and just like everything else of +/- ev in this world, there is only one way to know if you can pull it off [00:33]
mircea_popescu: ahaha child labour was erradicated ? [00:36]
mircea_popescu: when the fuck did that happen. or rather, WHERE ? same alt-universe where "isis was defeated war in afghanistan won war on drugs victories" etcetera i expect ? [00:37]
mircea_popescu: for the record -- it's deeply idiotic to try and prevent children from working. about as stupid as trying to prevent them from fucking adults, actually. [00:37]
mircea_popescu: human culture is entirely dependent on these transmission processes, if you don't work & fuck the kids they'll exterminate you when they come of age, and for the proper reason : you're little more than a bug to them. [00:38]
ben_vulpes: soi-disant victory i shoulda said [00:50]
ben_vulpes: because "not done in usa, and we don't shop at target because child slavery!" [00:50]
ben_vulpes: this is victory, ysee [00:50]
mircea_popescu: of course it's done in usa, are you kidding me ? [00:55]
mircea_popescu: go to montgomery. leave tonight, can have 13 yo prostitute sucking you off with her friend before sun goes down on the horizon again [00:56]
mircea_popescu: o wait, alabama not in usatoday, i forgot a little. [00:56]
mircea_popescu: good thing same exact thing's not entirely just as true in southern cali or the outskirts of seattle then. [00:56]
ben_vulpes: look i'm not saying that this is so, merely that it is claimed to be so. [00:57]
ben_vulpes: what you think i don't shop at target because some confusion of hairshirt ethics and economics? no, they sell plastic trash, that's why i don't. [00:57]
mircea_popescu: i thjought white guys shop at the gap [00:59]
ben_vulpes: gap, cocoa-cola, banana republic, pepsi, target, nordstrom, macys, ford, chevrolet... [01:00]
ben_vulpes: just statsheet yrself up a personality, the kit even comes with stamps and an ink pad! [01:01]
mircea_popescu: i thought nordstrom is for like, blond girls that play volleyball [01:04]
revnja: mmm cocoa-cola [01:04]
ben_vulpes: well and the aspirational bank tellers the poor dears hafta teach how to dress [01:07]
mircea_popescu: btw, shouldn't chocolate be illegal in the us ? [01:08]
mircea_popescu: it's kinda like a drug... [01:08]
ben_vulpes: no need, real chocolate is prohibitively expensive for more folks than cocaine [01:10]
ben_vulpes: portion sizes shrinking daily, new ersatz showing up on shelves daily, styled as healthy and pandering to lord only knows what delusions [01:11]
ben_vulpes: you know what's surprisingly legal? marketing something as chocolate with no milk in it [01:11]
trinque: give 'em legal weed and they'll eat anything [01:12]
revnja: i live in a legal state -- confirmed [01:12]
mircea_popescu: now this is a point [01:12]
mircea_popescu: best thing for all the sysco outlets out there, legal pot. [01:13]
trinque: ^ [01:13]
mircea_popescu: heck, if they had any sense they'd offer it free in the waiting areas. [01:13]
mircea_popescu: "what do you mean you're not hungry, and even if you were you wouldn't eat the shit we peddle ?!? here, have a bowl!" [01:14]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes ftr most chocolate i eat has no milk in it. amargo, it's a thing. [01:16]
ben_vulpes: all cocoa solids or what all is in it [01:19]
mircea_popescu: basically you use cocoa butter instead of milk fat for emulsification [01:23]
mircea_popescu: anyway, hershey, nestle and the rest of the scum have been lobbying to be permitted to replace the milk fat with margerine for what, decades now. [01:26]
ben_vulpes: no lobbying necessary it turns out, just make 'chocolate' for vegans, call it 'chocolate' and them 'vegans' instead of 'poor and deluded' [01:29]
deedbot: << Trilema - In which Naranjo is a place and other things [01:31]
lobbes: !!deed [03:17]
deedbot: accepted: 1 [03:17]
lobbes: !!deed [03:17]
deedbot: accepted: 1 [03:18]
lobbes: !!deed [03:18]
deedbot: accepted: 1 [03:18]
lobbes: !!deed [03:18]
deedbot: accepted: 1 [03:18]
diana_coman: my invoice seems to be for 1 according to deedbot instead of the correct 7660ecu i.e. 0.00000766 lobbes can you check that? [04:20]
diana_coman: oh, lobbes never mind, it didn't yet get through it seems and I was seeing a stale invoice instead, will wait [04:22]
diana_coman: <- ugh, I'd never have described ro as streamlined I get what you mean though and at least the holidays certainly froze everything over there [04:43]
a111: Logged on 2018-01-02 02:15 mircea_popescu: << ro is very streamlined, from memory specialist accountat/lawyer will get everything together in about a week in the us the ~same service (well not really, but anyway) is available online even, takes maybe a coupla weeks till the secretary of state of X (delaware amirite) "signs" the whatevers. im guessing if he finally got everything packaged with local accountant mid dec that ea [04:43]
asciilifeform: << troo chocolate contains 0 milk [10:09]
a111: Logged on 2018-01-02 06:11 ben_vulpes: you know what's surprisingly legal? marketing something as chocolate with no milk in it [10:09]
asciilifeform: << already iirc happened. but nobody with any options ate americhocolate before, and nobody now. [10:21]
a111: Logged on 2018-01-02 06:26 mircea_popescu: anyway, hershey, nestle and the rest of the scum have been lobbying to be permitted to replace the milk fat with margerine for what, decades now. [10:21]
asciilifeform: in other heathen lulz, >> 'there is presently an embargoed security bug impacting apparently all contemporary CPU architectures that implement virtual memory, requiring hardware changes to fully resolve' [10:22]
asciilifeform: ( massive multilayered disinfo shitsandwich , for expert entomologists strictly. ) [10:23]
asciilifeform: !#s tv raft [10:23]
a111: 12 results for "tv raft", [10:23]
asciilifeform: linked strictly for the responsibledisclosurism cancer implicit in any such embargo. [10:24]
mircea_popescu: heh [10:27]
asciilifeform: it isn't even clear to me how linus -- supposing that he participates in the coverups -- differs from e.g. florian weimer et al [10:28]
asciilifeform: selective disclosure of 0days to benefit empire -- same as any other wetwork for empire [10:28]
mircea_popescu: generally, it's powered by "eu sunt mic nu stiu nimic" ie selective disavowal of existence, identity and a notion of self in the cucks. [10:32]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> rly/mid jan it should be coming out the other end, seals & decorations applied. << This is a comfort [10:32]
mircea_popescu: which, for the record, is the fundamental feminine device, so much so as to mark a psyche for femaleness in the exact manner cunts mark a body for femaleness [10:32]
asciilifeform: << positive confirmation of linus involvement [10:32]
mircea_popescu: it is after all both the normal and the intended survival device for historical women [10:32]
mircea_popescu: and also why the pretense that rape "hurts" the woman somehow ~entirely rests on the pretense that the linus behaviour "doesn't exist", which is part and parcel of empire trying to hijack it for its own ends. [10:33]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: << 'eu sunt mic, nu stiu nimic' << ~= 'моя хата с краю ничего не знаю' ? [10:33]
asciilifeform: ( in meaning, not word for word ) [10:33]
mircea_popescu: ie, if "eu sunt mic nu stiu nimic" ISNT specifically female and in general a mark of inferiority, but rather "unspeakable" and therefore universal, well heck, vote hillary! [10:33]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> well no, he still has what's left of a pile of cash << The pile is sufficient for just about everything except renting the rack. [10:34]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quite exactly [10:36]
BingoBoingo: * mircea_popescu is very fucking happy to see other people can apparently secrete these wonders, i was starting to suspect issues. << It took substantial reading, and re-reading. For the definition of cash used in the standard... There is simply no way USD counts as cash [10:36]
a111: Logged on 2017-12-31 17:28 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu loox almost like an earthling man in this one [10:36]
asciilifeform: 'With the page table splitting patches merged, it becomes necessary for the kernel to flush these caches every time the kernel begins executing, and every time user code resumes executing. For some workloads, the effective total loss of the TLB lead around every system call leads to highly visible slowdowns: @grsecurity measured a simple case where Linux “du -s” suffered a 50% slowdown on a [10:37]
asciilifeform: recent AMD CPU.' [10:37]
asciilifeform: ^ bonus lul [10:37]
asciilifeform: remember when caches were made 80+% of die space because 'makes things faster' ? [10:38]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i thought nordstrom is for like, blond girls that play volleyball << Nordstrom is alt-walmart for babushkas that imagine themselves "rich" [10:38]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> best thing for all the sysco outlets out there, legal pot. << Other back on mind worry is that perhaps the legal pot thing is slowing down the population here [10:39]
mircea_popescu: anyway. the attempted de-speakabilization of the item previously discussed as "spread your legs and think of the empire" would pretty much be the ~only "cultural contribution" of the new wannabe angloempire over the old one. [10:39]
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all [10:45]
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 13681.37, vol: 10706.72692343 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 13651.0, vol: 34796.83280491 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 13770.6, vol: 2507.7245169 | Volume-weighted last average: 13664.0195882 [10:45]
BingoBoingo: << Perhaps in March after more crashing, S.NSA can fab a MIPs board not too uncompetitive with the "patched" AMD/Intelium [10:47]
a111: Logged on 2018-01-02 15:37 asciilifeform: 'With the page table splitting patches merged, it becomes necessary for the kernel to flush these caches every time the kernel begins executing, and every time user code resumes executing. For some workloads, the effective total loss of the TLB lead around every system call leads to highly visible slowdowns: @grsecurity measured a simple case where Linux “du -s” suffered a 50% slowdown on a [10:47]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: out of what ? [10:47]
mircea_popescu: what are you the engineer for! [10:47]
mircea_popescu: come up with a way to use up stale bread. [10:47]
BingoBoingo: Out of more USD crashing! [10:47]
asciilifeform: i half suspect crapple already uses stalebread, lol [10:48]
mircea_popescu: heh [10:48]
asciilifeform: going by the way their iron worx [10:48]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, "revelations" may well mean "current cpus do not support multi-process software" [10:49]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this was hammer-in-face obvious after the ~original~ rowhammer demo [10:49]
asciilifeform: but , to borrow mircea_popescu's formulation, 'unspeakabled' [10:49]
mircea_popescu: but the similarities with ftr [10:50]
a111: Logged on 2015-09-18 18:49 kakobrekla: [10:50]
mircea_popescu: "install this new kernel to make your computer slower" [10:50]
asciilifeform: exactly same item [10:50]
asciilifeform: and massive gravy for e.g. usg hardware suppliers [10:50]
asciilifeform: 'good noose, they'll need 10x the boxes to serve same # of cloudzeks' [10:50]
mircea_popescu: funny bit being that i recall some "not serious" guy explaining this is exactly how empire will decay. empire was liek "oh, our conversation dun need to include that!" [10:51]
mircea_popescu: well... indeed. dun have to. [10:51]
BingoBoingo: Y entonces una chica de China has an application. [10:51]
BingoBoingo: Find fab that has 14-22 nm process, make simple multicore MIPS and a MUSL'd cuntoo for it [10:52]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if you wanted to do this for real, vs. gabriel_laddelization, cost is roughly comparable to a moon flight. [10:55]
asciilifeform: (in turkeydollar.) [10:55]
* BingoBoingo doubts ASICminer spent moonflight in 2013 [10:57]
mircea_popescu: yes well you'll have to put in more than hashers. [10:57]
asciilifeform: ru, for instance, pointedly ~did~ gabriel_laddelize the elbrus. [10:58]
asciilifeform: ( see & elsewhere ) [10:59]
a111: Logged on 2017-03-01 14:29 asciilifeform: actually this is a mega-snoar, looks like the makers used 100% western toolchain, even macrocells [10:59]
BingoBoingo: Well, can the 1980's or schoolbook toolchain be used, but for smaller fab process. [11:01]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: '1980s toolchain' was a room full of d00dz with black electrical tape. [11:02]
BingoBoingo: So it can be used [11:02]
BingoBoingo: Senor Vulpes y Senor Dushenski tienen ninos [11:03]
asciilifeform: if you have the requisite number of d00dz , the +ev strategy is to issue rifles and go and take by the sword. [11:03]
asciilifeform: not masking tape. [11:03]
mircea_popescu: this is a dubious point even if we leave aside its factuality. [11:05]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how does that work ? [11:05]
mircea_popescu: "different skillsets" are needed for either approach, which is a polite way of saying that your doods have no ballsacs. [11:05]
mircea_popescu: they were blinded at birth by their despicable mothers. [11:05]
asciilifeform: the mega-discovery of the 2000s is that the folx with 0ballsack cannot be used ~for anything~ [11:05]
asciilifeform: not for chip layout, not for floor sweeping. [11:06]
asciilifeform: not only not-for-soldiering. [11:06]
mircea_popescu: well yes, but in the meanwhile some "uses" are less evidently wasteful than others. [11:06]
BingoBoingo: Un poquito relatit... Many of the streets here are named after dates on the calendar. Routinely the dates mark military victories against the empires won by anywhere from a dozen to three dozen men and their assembled serfs [11:06]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo and which as a general rule were no kiond of victories. [11:06]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: dunno, they can just as readily plug embrasures as anybody [11:06]
mircea_popescu: eg, argentina celebrates the day of its defeat in the faulklands as "victory over whatever" day. [11:07]
mircea_popescu: i've no doubt soon the day the ocean ate their sub "manned by very competent idiots in our own estimation" will get similar treatment, "day of victory over the marine element" [11:07]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the products of modern woman can not plug anything, because "what if there's a better use of their priceless person later on" [11:07]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Ah, it is a mix. The Uruguayos did defeat the Brits to retake Montevideo. But against the second Brazilian emperor... [11:08]
mircea_popescu: practically speaking, washing the cunt off your eyes today means "getting rid of precious cuntled syndrome at some point before senescence" [11:08]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no 'what-ifs', заградотряд with mg at their back [11:09]
mircea_popescu: used to be easier when all it took was water which could be applied at birth. [11:09]
asciilifeform: 'it takes a brave man to be a coward in red army' (tm)(r) [11:09]
mircea_popescu: but meanwhile the secretions got thicker and stickier. [11:09]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have no doubt that red army is exactly what happened to the jews in warsaw. [11:09]
asciilifeform: at which end [11:09]
mircea_popescu: they -- more advanced on path to ustardianism than cossacks. [11:09]
mircea_popescu: so no jew army resulted, just pile of bodies. [11:10]
mircea_popescu: similarily if you went with machine guns into campus of your choice, the output will be pile of bodies, not red army. [11:10]
mircea_popescu: need a certain sort of rural for that to work, for the exact reason that "used to be easier when all it took was water which could be applied at birth." [11:10]
mircea_popescu: ie, no dumb cunt had the opportunity to tell rando mirvnik that "you baby are precious and bla bla bla". [11:11]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu has a quite selective reading of the warsaw incident. 1000+ of the warsaw pile -- were german [11:11]
mircea_popescu: the заградотряд process doth not promise 0 losses among the guards merely ~manageable~ (as opposed to womanageable) losses. [11:11]
mircea_popescu: even milling will wear down the knives a little. [11:12]
BingoBoingo: Very lulzy are the Lopez regimes in nearby Paraguay [11:12]
asciilifeform: ( and most of the remainder -- the old, the female, the diseased, the zeks who did 0 soldiering, attempted or otherwise ) [11:12]
mircea_popescu: eh. it was a complete country, what. [11:12]
asciilifeform: warsaw ghetto?! [11:12]
mircea_popescu: not like all the men were away threshing in lusitania. [11:12]
mircea_popescu: yes. [11:12]
asciilifeform: it was a remainder from the j00z not yet nailed elsewhere [11:13]
mircea_popescu: that's too meta for this conversation. [11:13]
asciilifeform: that's the key, them folx were never 'complete country' [11:13]
mircea_popescu: you confuse country and state. [11:13]
mircea_popescu: the jews weren't a state but very much country. [11:13]
mircea_popescu: much like the aztecs were a complete country when the spanish state showed up. [11:14]
asciilifeform: evidently not complete [11:14]
mircea_popescu: that's not how that works. [11:14]
asciilifeform: just as mouse without white cells ain't complete mouse. [11:14]
mircea_popescu: you being lazy doesn't mean "evidently i'm not complete body" [11:14]
asciilifeform: if so lazy that won't bother to 'dip them' -- then yes, not complete [11:15]
mircea_popescu: not true. [11:15]
mircea_popescu: this is tulpa talk, no more,. [11:15]
asciilifeform: i had nfi this was controversial. folx 'so lazy' that won't feed selves -- end up today typically in nuthouse [11:15]
mircea_popescu: physiology is no criteria upon anatomy. that your arm "dun work" especially in the "as well as neighbour's" flavour is very strictly no proof of "broken arm". [11:16]
mircea_popescu: it works if you work it, now gert to work. [11:16]
asciilifeform: and what's the formula for who -- in nuthouse, and who -- not ? 'subclinical' vs 'clinical' neh [11:16]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what mom does with them is of no interest./ [11:16]
mircea_popescu: men too lazy to feed self are still complete, and still SHOULD feed self. [11:16]
asciilifeform: what in mircea_popescu's pov ~is~ 'lazy' [11:16]
asciilifeform: what's it made of ? [11:16]
mircea_popescu: that your arm "dun work" especially in the "as well as neighbour's" flavour < [11:17]
asciilifeform: ( can a horse be lazy ? mule ? ) [11:17]
mircea_popescu: whenever you are outperformed, you were lazy. [11:17]
mircea_popescu: this is definitional. [11:17]
mircea_popescu: the slowest horse in a pack of horses is the laziest horse in the pack of horses. [11:17]
mircea_popescu: you know what a lazy eye is ? same exact fucking principle -- moves slower than its brother, =lazy. [11:17]
asciilifeform: if you apply this insight literally, you end up with 0 horses in yer cart, rather than an infinitely fast set [11:18]
asciilifeform: ( shoot the slowest one every morning... ) [11:18]
mircea_popescu: watch me give a shit. [11:18]
asciilifeform: i suppose you can propell yer charior with farts of not-giving-a-shit then [11:18]
asciilifeform: *chariot [11:18]
mircea_popescu: "oh, what'll the teacher do, if he flunks all of us he can't be a teacher anymore, he needs us" [11:18]
mircea_popescu: dude... what is this, jr high ? [11:18]
asciilifeform: it happened tho. teacher -- took his chalkboard and went home, to drink [11:19]
mircea_popescu: if only. [11:19]
asciilifeform: just didn't turn out to be the valhalla the f-students imagined. [11:19]
asciilifeform: because in his place, new 'teacher'. [11:19]
mircea_popescu: well, either that or married what's her name and had portmanteau kiddos with her. [11:20]
mircea_popescu: (latter brin's children are called "wojin", if you can imagine that.) [11:20]
asciilifeform: waiwaaat [11:21]
mircea_popescu: you recall brin the elder ? [11:21]
mircea_popescu: he had a son. [11:21]
asciilifeform: aha [11:21]
mircea_popescu: this son married. [11:21]
mircea_popescu: they had children. [11:21]
mircea_popescu: the children were not named so and so brin but so and so wojin. [11:21]
asciilifeform: ahahahahaha [11:21]
* asciilifeform slept through this [11:21]
asciilifeform: this is hilarious [11:22]
asciilifeform: can you picture rockefeller kid named whateverjin ? [11:22]
mircea_popescu: daca doriti sa revedeti : [11:22]
a111: Logged on 2017-12-31 17:18 mircea_popescu: the woj chickies ? kinda remind me of [11:22]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the TRULY AMUSING part being that those, also russian immigrants! [11:22]
asciilifeform: sadoveanu?! [11:23]
mircea_popescu: hm ? [11:26]
asciilifeform: which 'those' [11:26]
asciilifeform: i dunget [11:26]
mircea_popescu: o wait, rockefeller were protestants not jews huh [11:27]
mircea_popescu: nm [11:27]
mircea_popescu: j p rockefeller, rhineland miner, the german rather than the russian parentage of "american" [11:28]
asciilifeform: aha [11:29]
asciilifeform: the backbone of the americans [11:29]
mircea_popescu: notice that the hitler-stalin pact actually made a lot more sense historically than the two nuts realised. [11:29]
asciilifeform: ( per mircea_popescu's old piece, 'the men who ought to have been crewing german freighters, were instead in philadelphia, unloading american ones' or how did it go ) [11:29]
mircea_popescu: "it worked well in north america..." [11:30]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just about. [11:30]
mircea_popescu: so now to answer the orig. question : this miner from the french german lands was no particular religious fellow. his wife however -- was. [11:32]
mircea_popescu: so, yes. i can very much picture rockefeller kids named whateverjin, but in the sense meaningful cca 1817 rather than in the 2017 sense. [11:32]
mircea_popescu: in point of fact -- they were. [11:32]
mircea_popescu: cuckoldry in the americas has not perceptibly changed, i suspect it's driven by the very land. same exact item as before euros showed up, really. [11:33]
asciilifeform: where on planet3 is the wholesome, noncuckoldating land ? [11:37]
asciilifeform: buried under ice in antarctica ? [11:38]
mircea_popescu: consider one point -- russians, romanians, germans all went "la america" in the 1800s. the russians and germans -- stayed. the romanians -- returned. [11:39]
mircea_popescu: i will readily grant that the "russians" ~only stayed because actually, they were jews. [11:40]
asciilifeform: i have nfi why returned [11:40]
asciilifeform: and why stayed [11:40]
mircea_popescu: the sad counter to thyis is to observe that the actual russians -- too dumb to even go. [11:40]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'm proposing a heuristic here, no moar. [11:40]
mircea_popescu: the ~other~ available heuristic, likely weaker but reaching further into the past, is to observe that the moor ~strangles~ desdemona, doesn't raise her princess little venetian-aspirant daugthers. [11:42]
asciilifeform: the traditional picture is that folx went for land. and it ain't as if you can bring it back to old europistan. [11:42]
asciilifeform: gold , yes, can bring ( tho witness what happened when spain brought. ) land - nope [11:43]
mircea_popescu: but does land come with women ? is this a construct, landwomen, upon which to find a place for yourself ? or does land come without anything or anymore, and is woman another sort of cow for you to work upon it ? [11:43]
asciilifeform: i'ma guess that in mircea_popescu cosmography , well-oiled, early rome was sabine-powered later - 'cow'-powered ? [11:44]
mircea_popescu: because that's the fundamental difference across the northern ocean -- left, landwoman, right, cowoman. [11:44]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the greek world was mostly "land, cowoman separate". the early roman world similarily, but consider : the roman law knew two (principal, we'll omit the half dozen or so special, patrician only, priesthood styles) kinds of marriage : [11:45]
mircea_popescu: in the hand, and out of the hand. [11:45]
asciilifeform: aha i recall this [11:46]
mircea_popescu: marrying into the hand of the husband signified that the woman became his property, like any other slave (with some exceptions, such as can't be given in lieu of the damage like common slave), and was achieved through continuous cohabitation (one year with no break longer than two days) [11:46]
mircea_popescu: out of the hand signified that the woman remained (no dude, no fucking free agent women, wtf is this) the property of her father. [11:46]
mircea_popescu: there were some special rituals for this. [11:47]
mircea_popescu: now, which was prevalent in antiquity and decayed over time, and which grew over time and was prevalent by the late republic ? [11:47]
asciilifeform: not mega-prize puzzle, is it [11:47]
mircea_popescu: so then. as the demographic pressure increases, the conceptualization (the MALE conceptualization, as the only kind there is) of the environment switches from land, cowoman separate to landwoman. [11:48]
mircea_popescu: the latter is also known as "how cucks see the world" [11:48]
mircea_popescu: consider this major point : in ancient greece, people were depicted with small penii large ones were considered bestial, comedic and insulting. [11:49]
mircea_popescu: today -- opposite. [11:49]
mircea_popescu: do you see the logic of "well -- if landwoman better perform, lest it finds a better performer ?", aka trilema's "wtf, ~I~ should work to entertain the slaves ?!" [11:50]
mircea_popescu: and let's breadcrumb as it's quite apropos. [11:52]
a111: Logged on 2016-11-20 23:49 mircea_popescu: all through this seeking my approval in the sense of trying to verify if im all that impressed. i... wasn't fucking impressed, because why the fuck would i be impressed with the male nurse. [11:52]
asciilifeform: the related observation is re classical slavery in every possible sense milder fate than wage-slavery, for same reason [11:52]
asciilifeform: the real joke on the equalistas -- they created auschwitz. [11:52]
mircea_popescu: well, the arrangement is psychoting in many numerous ways, what the hell, forcing any given female into "venus genetrix" matrix is going to hurt. [11:53]
mircea_popescu: this isn't a discussion about how "delilah cut some hair and sold it at the market becoming rich and happy". the fact of the matter is, they fucked each other over, and irrecoverably. [11:53]
mircea_popescu: sorta like the conversation in submarine, "why did you put grenade pin ?" "it was there to pull!" "but now we're all going to die" "sorry" [11:54]
asciilifeform: !#s spring ratchet [11:58]
a111: 1 result for "spring ratchet", [11:58]
asciilifeform: << but originally on trilema and can't seem to excavate the concrete item [11:59]
a111: Logged on 2017-07-17 19:23 asciilifeform: but mircea_popescu himself had observation where 'not the fault of the spring, for being springy, if the ratchet broke' [11:59]
mircea_popescu: word. [11:59]
mircea_popescu: it's actually like a half dozen articles, including one with a screencap from "les veinards", girault screaming "TU L'AURAS VOULU!!!!!111" at clech [12:00]
mircea_popescu: (and it behooves me to point out that the antique arrangement is transparently evident in the domestic affairs of the french, (and slightly, somewhat, the italians) as late as the 60s.) [12:02]
mircea_popescu: (the matter is often specifically lampshaded -- yes the lady owns the land, but watch de funes interact with her in, say, hibernatus. yes the accountant is there for HER to sign the expense sheets, but "ou, selon vous, est votre grand pere!!!11") [12:03]
asciilifeform: in lulz re earlier x86 thread, [12:12]
* asciilifeform has nfi whether claim is factual [12:12]
asciilifeform: re 'rowhammer', for some reason when i first found out about it, the immediate picture was ye olde legend re how zeks supposedly at least once overturned a train, from the inside, in a stolypin car , 'let's all heave-left' then 'right' etc [12:18]
asciilifeform: it isn't a physical impossibility, petrol trucks have overturned from 'slosh' effect [12:18]
asciilifeform: and ditto sailing ships in 18th c [12:18]
mircea_popescu: very much physical impossibility. [12:19]
mircea_popescu: petrol trucks have whiplash, mansacks do not. [12:19]
asciilifeform: and romans broke cadence on a bridge, why exactly [12:19]
mircea_popescu: if you study the dynamic equilibrium of liquid you notice first off that most kinetic energy is transferred to wobbly vessel at the peak ends not at the center of movement, and by the fringe liquid not the central mass [12:20]
mircea_popescu: clip those, you lose disproportionately in the effect. [12:20]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that bridge was marginal train car is not marginal. [12:20]
asciilifeform: would depend on the car, neh [12:20]
asciilifeform: if it's already resonant -- can pump [12:20]
asciilifeform: like child's swing. [12:20]
mircea_popescu: no, because if train car was as marginal as bridge, you couldn't drive it with fucking grain. [12:20]
asciilifeform: consider the infamous 'galloping gertie' [12:21]
mircea_popescu: ie, one comes "not from a good life" unlike the other, so higher de facto standard baked in [12:21]
asciilifeform: train car is built to resist noncoherent bumps. not idjits pumping its resonance. [12:21]
asciilifeform: ( and it is build nonresonant at the rail sleeper 'freq'. not arbitrary. ) [12:21]
asciilifeform: *built [12:22]
mircea_popescu: nah. train car that doesn't have major safety factor over resonance is taken out within first 10 miles. [12:22]
mircea_popescu: bridge that doesnt -- can sit undisturbed for century. [12:22]
asciilifeform: train that doesn't -- can also work undisturbed for century [12:22]
mircea_popescu: moreover, resonance is not exactly the problem here. whiplash, slightly different item [12:22]
asciilifeform: whiplash problem in petrol truck yea [12:22]
asciilifeform: in train, story went -- pumping. [12:23]
* mircea_popescu does not believe. [12:23]
asciilifeform: i dun fully buy it, but unlike mircea_popescu would not categorically rule out. [12:23]
asciilifeform: orc tech does 'wonders'. [12:23]
mircea_popescu: i suppose they could have had a shitty curve for instance, train went off track half the time anyway, zek thought "button -- connected!" [12:23]
asciilifeform: for completeness i'll mention the denoument: [12:24]
asciilifeform: joke was on the zeks [12:24]
asciilifeform: in classical (stalin) su, the iron law was 'prison transport may not be opened outside of prison or courthouse grounds, for ANY reason' [12:24]
asciilifeform: not even if on fire and off the rails etc. [12:24]
mircea_popescu: so they left them i nthere [12:24]
asciilifeform: aha. [12:24]
asciilifeform: so goes the story. [12:25]
mircea_popescu: seems reasonable. "Dear zek, do your part in building of this great state as we define it". [12:25]
mircea_popescu: pretty republican outlook. [12:25]
asciilifeform: aha. [12:25]
asciilifeform: hence reprinted here. [12:25]
asciilifeform: ( much has been written re other aspects, re 'no work, no eat' labour quotas in zekland etc. so i won't repeat. ) [12:26]
asciilifeform: << this is too juicy to leave alone : you can actually rederive it from the child's experiment where you put a pingpong ball through the ceiling [12:30]
a111: Logged on 2018-01-02 17:20 mircea_popescu: if you study the dynamic equilibrium of liquid you notice first off that most kinetic energy is transferred to wobbly vessel at the peak ends not at the center of movement, and by the fringe liquid not the central mass [12:30]
asciilifeform: ( didja ever do that one ? ) [12:30]
mircea_popescu: nope. [12:30]
mircea_popescu: "in my country celing already had enough holes" [12:30]
asciilifeform: great experiment in gym [12:30]
asciilifeform: you find 3-4 types of ball [12:30]
asciilifeform: arrange large to small, bottom to top, and drop ( this is the tricky bit ) [12:31]
asciilifeform: momentum transfers... [12:31]
mircea_popescu: aha. [12:31]
asciilifeform: can embed in wooden ceiling quite easily. [12:31]
* mircea_popescu spent a while in junior high getting girls to spin legs extended and then pull them in. "o noes!111" [12:31]
asciilifeform: lol [12:32]
asciilifeform: that was actually part of 'official' curriculum at asciilifeform's school [12:32]
mircea_popescu: in retrospect the whole fucking point of the "game" is evidently "take girl outside of her own safety margins as she herself imagines them" ie fundamental maturation step. [12:32]
mircea_popescu: but at the time it was just fun. [12:32]
asciilifeform: then again we had a 25 y.o. physics d00d . and i'd bet he was eventually sacked [12:32]
asciilifeform: he had various demos that would show gurlz were bottom-heavy [12:33]
mircea_popescu: lol [12:33]
asciilifeform: at any rate, the 'bulk of the liquid' ~= 'largest ball' [12:34]
mircea_popescu: ~only 25yo male we had in the crew was ro lit dork, who refused to explain what "oftica" (= tuberculosis, but in ro folklore "disease of unfulfilled love") meant, and when pressed "you'll see in the army". [12:34]
asciilifeform: lol in english world was called 'pining away' [12:34]
mircea_popescu: right. [12:35]
asciilifeform: concretely in application to [12:35]
a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 16:01 asciilifeform: but moar like victorian typhoidal 'nedeflorena' or who was it [12:35]
mircea_popescu: 50yo women much better at the... roman, shall we call it, approach to education. [12:35]
mircea_popescu: especially the tiny dop of a woman that took over when he was sacked (ie, next year), and who "ce pizda ma-sii!!!1" then noticing completely frozen/silent bunch of 13yo went "what, you never heard that before ?!" [12:37]
asciilifeform: чо пиздите lol [12:38]
mircea_popescu: lol [12:39]
deedbot: << Trilema - Tamara Drewe [12:47]
mircea_popescu: but talking of whiplash, [12:47]
mircea_popescu: anyway, to revisit the upstack problem : the solution to rowhammer, 3.0 as 1.0, is not to "make kernel flush all the time, 50% performance penalty" nor the original "solutions" nor any of that crap. [13:18]
mircea_popescu: the correct solution is and so on, ie -- no multiuser box. yank "ssh", yank the rest of the empire-on-your-box crapola and ignore the "problem" that dun exist. [13:19]
mircea_popescu: what THEY are trying to solve, "how to perpetuate empire-on-your-box???" is not a problem that needs any solving. [13:19]
asciilifeform: and if you must build a public toilet ( i.e. box where allcomers get to affect the memory addressing sequence ) build it from sram. [13:20]
* mircea_popescu thoroughly ignored "cloud" since the day it was invented. the fact that they failed to address this for a decade does not somehow enact a special sovereignity for them, and make cloud a thing. it is still not a thing, as it NEVER FUCKING WAS. hurr. [13:20]
mircea_popescu: and in fucking general -- idiot's failure to register with the republic "for a really long time" doth not somehow enact idiot into anything else, what the everloving fuck. [13:21]
asciilifeform: item aint strictly about 'clouds' tho, quite broad, includes errything from www browsers with scripting, to , potentially, trb's commandprocessor [13:21]
mircea_popescu: what next, "african proverb", what is this, the pantsuited hilarity radio show ? [13:21]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes just picked a point at the core of the cloud of idiocy. [13:21]
asciilifeform: i.e. anywhere that an allcomer gets to make the thing branch, or affect an array index [13:22]
mircea_popescu: absolutely was not proposed that imperial idiocy is now "limited to cloud". no, imperial idiocy is imperial idiocy. [13:22]
asciilifeform: that particular idiocy isn't even new , existed more or less as-is in 1970s ('timesharing') [13:23]
mircea_popescu: nah, 1970s timesharing is an outgrowth of "zeks are not persons", was fine. [13:23]
asciilifeform: the use of dram where you can stolypin it off the rails -- new [13:23]
asciilifeform: but general presense, not [13:23]
asciilifeform: *pretense [13:23]
mircea_popescu: not tenable today because "zek + cellphone" is more like "nsa contractor" than zek [13:23]
asciilifeform: btw worth revisiting in re why cache-timingleak cannot actually be fixed on dram [13:25]
a111: Logged on 2017-08-24 14:41 asciilifeform: ( why to do this ? just as in other cases of 'i can't believe it's not X!', dram is not actually random-access -- all currently sold drams only achieve their rated speed in 'burst mode' and from that it follows that they are only ever read to fill a cache line and from this, trivial timing leak etc. and the joys of 'rowhammer', bonus. ) [13:25]
asciilifeform: i.e. the 'R' is a lie [13:25]
asciilifeform: it ain't a randomaccess device. any moar then cassette. [13:26]
asciilifeform: *than [13:27]
mircea_popescu: in entirely unrelated news, here's a simple idea on how to leverage computing power to generate "game" content : create a hexagon filled with hexagonal cells cut an arbitrary number of partitions to it, present the pieces to human to "solve" the problem. [13:28]
mircea_popescu: combinatoric explosion -- always on your side. that's fucking how. [13:28]
asciilifeform: iirc 'panzer general' looked like this [13:29]
asciilifeform: and buncha others of the period [13:29]
mircea_popescu: yeah, hex grid was a "strategy" thing for a while [13:29]
asciilifeform: originally from tabletop [13:29]
mircea_popescu: funny, nobody to my knowledge leveraged multi-cell plane fills. [13:30]
mircea_popescu: "if you go into octagon you get X, but in square you get Y". [13:30]
mircea_popescu: because, i guess, socialist poison, "in all things we do must be one thing where all things are equal!" [13:30]
* asciilifeform pictures a hextetris [13:31]
mircea_popescu: that was done [13:31]
asciilifeform: yea gotta be [13:31]
mircea_popescu: back in dos days was even pentix, if you recall, and then that arbitrary tetris generator in space, you saw it ? [13:31]
mircea_popescu: where you could actually define your piece sets. [13:31]
asciilifeform: possibly [13:33]
asciilifeform: 4 was really the golden # , pentix pieces have trouble 'sliding past' [13:34]
asciilifeform: same thing with hexatiled pieces [13:34]
mircea_popescu: BLOCKOUT! holy shit [13:34]
mircea_popescu: god the time i spent with that thing... [13:35]
mircea_popescu: < item [13:35]
mircea_popescu: imo still very much playable today, at that. [13:35]
asciilifeform: aa i played a clone, 'welltris' iirc [13:35]
mircea_popescu: not sure which is the clone but emulated today. [13:36]
asciilifeform: or hm, not same [13:36]
asciilifeform: i think 'blockout' also. [13:36]
asciilifeform: somebody even had a '4d' tetris. [13:36]
mircea_popescu: not so useful for humans, that, is it [13:37]
asciilifeform: moar of a 'because we could' than actually-playable, aha [13:40]
mircea_popescu: well, moar of a "if you can't use time band for signalling you're stuck with a stitched together in-band signalling monstrosity" [13:40]
asciilifeform: upstack re dram , in particularly in its role as 'cheap simulacrum chocolate made of liquishit' item -- in august asciilifeform exhaustively researched available sram, and found that most of it ALSO does not get anywhere near rated speed except in sequential burst ! [13:44]
mircea_popescu: heh [13:45]
asciilifeform: and when you impose the condition that it MUST -- you end up with... [13:45]
mircea_popescu: shit's hard, what. [13:45]
asciilifeform: ... same parts as were sold in 1996. [13:45]
asciilifeform: literally, same items we put in those 486 mobos with user-inserted cache. [13:45]
asciilifeform: 'hard' is not the word. item could be trivially made in existing 14nm or whatnot [13:46]
asciilifeform: with current-day densities [13:46]
asciilifeform: but it ain't. because 'dun help c-machine any' [13:46]
mircea_popescu: the sram you mean ? [13:46]
asciilifeform: aha. [13:47]
asciilifeform: sane, i.e. random-access , sram. [13:47]
asciilifeform: no burst nonsense. [13:47]
mircea_popescu: i guess. [13:47]
asciilifeform: and in the narrowed set, found that : you can get 7-10ns sram at something like human cost. below : goes up exponentially [13:49]
asciilifeform: ( and, on top of this, most of the offerings at 'high' end turn out to be 'pseudostatic' , i.e. internally has dram + refresher ) [13:50]
mircea_popescu: !!key nolan_bugg [16:03]
deedbot: [16:03]
danielpbarron: !!rate nolan_bugg 9 childhood friend, known for 15+ years [18:58]
deedbot: Get your OTP: [18:58]
danielpbarron: !!unrate nolanbugg [19:01]
deedbot: Get your OTP: [19:01]
ben_vulpes: that was fast [19:08]
mircea_popescu: diff names [19:08]
ben_vulpes: ah [19:08]
ben_vulpes: in other dipshitteries: [19:08]
mircea_popescu: did anyone ever write something not-idiotic on that medium idiocy ? [19:08]
ben_vulpes: look at wannabe-hacker-oriented linux distros like Arch and Gentoo, which refuse to supply an installer and instead require users to retype the source code of an installer script from the manual [19:08]
ben_vulpes: dude's a wannabe alan kay, writing on a smaller shittier blogspot which is about to implode due to implementing the "three free articles per month" idiocy [19:09]
ben_vulpes: time for that died ~2014 [19:09]
mircea_popescu: ie, "something we lifted from 2010 trilema and forgot to SAY SO" [19:09]
mircea_popescu: ah the good ole days of [19:10]
asciilifeform: << i dunget what this was actually about [19:17]
a111: Logged on 2018-01-03 00:08 ben_vulpes: in other dipshitteries: [19:17]
asciilifeform: kept waiting for something concrete -- never came [19:17]
mircea_popescu: medium-concrete. [19:19]
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all [19:22]
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 14900.0, vol: 16539.78632782 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 14916.0, vol: 56448.87100103 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 15046.0, vol: 3255.79110814 | Volume-weighted last average: 14918.0803647 [19:22]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Medium can't concrete porque not latino [19:23]
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: may have some fun savaging this one [19:39]
mircea_popescu: nah, it's ok, i'm playing blockout. [19:39]
ben_vulpes: sounds vastly more entertaining than pantsuit whinging [19:40]
mircea_popescu: possibly because it is. [19:45]
danielpbarron: !!up ReadErr [23:38]
deedbot: ReadErr voiced for 30 minutes. [23:38]
danielpbarron: nice host [23:38]
danielpbarron: seems legit [23:38]
mircea_popescu: i suspect schenanigans [23:38]
danielpbarron: nono i got him in here [23:39]
danielpbarron: found him in the l0de chat but also it turns out i chatted with him waaaay back like in 2005 [23:40]
mircea_popescu: brb moar egg knock [23:40]
danielpbarron: i gotta make my own egg nog [23:41]
mircea_popescu: i ordered a smoked trout + aguacate & onion sandwich earlier and it was like "oh master, the fruits of exploitation are ready!" [23:42]
ReadErr: !!register [23:44]
deedbot: 7C3D6F997D3D965D5A7C74CE9E4BD72145B88987 registered as ReadErr. [23:44]
ReadErr: !!rating danielpbarron [23:45]
mircea_popescu: !!v ReadErr very.legit.person [23:45]
mircea_popescu: !!rate ReadErr 1 very.legit.person [23:45]
deedbot: Get your OTP: [23:45]
danielpbarron: nice [23:45]
danielpbarron: !!rate ReadErr 1 l0de op [23:45]
deedbot: Get your OTP: [23:45]
ReadErr: !!ratings danielpbarron [23:45]
deedbot: [23:45]
ReadErr: "He thinks lack of a signature is some sort of indictment." [23:45]
danielpbarron: actually hold on [23:45]
ReadErr: lol [23:46]
danielpbarron: !!rate ReadErr 1 l0de op, chatted with him back in the good old days in #high on efnet [23:46]
deedbot: Get your OTP: [23:46]
ReadErr: She is the best thing that ever happened to bitcointalk [23:46]
ReadErr: lol trappin ? [23:46]
mircea_popescu: who ? [23:46]
ReadErr: on danielpbarron's ratings [23:47]
ReadErr: ohhh wait [23:48]
ReadErr: is that people he rated [23:48]
mircea_popescu: yes. [23:48]
danielpbarron: alright let's get you some btc, hmmm [23:48]
ReadErr: !!reputation l0de [23:48]
danielpbarron: !!pay ReadErr 0.01 [23:48]
deedbot: [23:48]
deedbot: Get your OTP: [23:48]
danielpbarron: fuck.. [23:48]
danielpbarron: which is mine [23:48]
ReadErr: 1sec reading manual [23:49]
danielpbarron: i'm guessing the 2nd one [23:49]
ReadErr: i clicked that one [23:49]
ReadErr: if its OTP it prolly ruined it [23:49]
ReadErr: wheres the info on the workflow [23:50]
danielpbarron: alright, you can !!balance to check it [23:50]
ReadErr: whats the 2 paste for? [23:50]
danielpbarron: mine was indeed the second one, yours was the first [23:50]
ReadErr: oh 1sec ill copy it for you [23:51]
danielpbarron: i'd suggest you leave it in there tho, as the fee to send is a somewhat significant chunk of that [23:51]
mircea_popescu: !!reputation ReadErr [23:52]
deedbot: [23:52]
ReadErr: yea man the other day [23:52]
ReadErr: i had to send $2 [23:52]
ReadErr: and the fee was 18 [23:52]
ReadErr: didnt send 2$.. [23:52]
mircea_popescu: ReadErr so use ecu or w/e [23:52]
danielpbarron: poor ppl problems, or should i say non republic problems [23:52]
ReadErr: lol wont deny that [23:52]
ReadErr: whats ecu ? [23:53]
mircea_popescu: eulora coppers. [23:53]
mircea_popescu: what do you do, other than very legit websites, ReadErr ? [23:53]
trinque: danielpbarron: only one OP returns an OTP [23:53]
ReadErr: mircea_popescu: i do a lot of stuff [23:53]
danielpbarron: yeah i figured [23:53]
ReadErr: my was a late night + namecheap sale result [23:53]
trinque: that said having it address people directly is on the stack [23:54]
ReadErr: i got sucked into buying so many domains for cheap [23:54]
ReadErr: then when renewals came around [23:54]
ReadErr: they where like 30x more expensive [23:54]
mircea_popescu: heh [23:54]
ReadErr: I do a electronics (embedded/pcb) [23:54]
ReadErr: lunix [23:54]
mircea_popescu: aha! [23:55]
mircea_popescu: that may turn out to be useful. [23:55]
ReadErr: ya its fun, brought a few things to market [23:55]
ReadErr: mostly a ton of opensource hardware though [23:55]
* mircea_popescu would link fg, if there was a page / [23:56]
ReadErr: [23:56]
danielpbarron: wait i got a page [23:56]
ReadErr: some of my older stuff [23:56]
danielpbarron: [23:57]
danielpbarron: exit [23:57]
danielpbarron: lol [23:57]
danielpbarron: someone bought one off that recently. fg is big in ca [23:58]
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