Forum logs for 31 Mar 2019

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
BingoBoingo: In other updates, cuntoo takes less than 12 hours to compile on new rig. Gotta fuck the kernel config and details to get it to boot. [00:27]
hanbot: !!v F4299AB975CD5A2F1633C3B255F4A435303BE8909C3FBA32B13EAF7617B7EA5C [00:51]
deedbot: hanbot rated hanbot-abroad 1 << A true, certified hanbot-lite. [00:51]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, it's altogether dubious mp-wp is program, or really anything other than an overgrown script. [01:39]
mircea_popescu: php after all scripting lang not systems lang. [01:40]
billymg: it is deeply satisfying work ripping out the cruft in that thing [11:45]
billymg: but i know i'll have to pause on that to put together a test suite (which should actually be a great way of identifying what needs to *remain*) [11:47]
billymg: and will provide more confidence while mass deleting [11:50]
Mocky: I've been building my wp import file out of my feed template. It's basically rss with additional wp tags. I just discovered the reason why only the last post in the file has been getting imported: wp import can't handle </item><item> without whitespace between. [11:54]
Mocky: the rss import can handle it, but that can't import post tags [11:55]
BingoBoingo: In other discoveries: "But that’s not all! In addition to being super sensible and oh so au courant, FG INSIDE doubles (triples?) as an icon of industrial design. Like the Eames Lounge or the iPod before it, its pared-down simplicity and resolute transparency make it a work of artistic expression reflective of, and integral to, our present day and age. USD [12:04]
BingoBoingo: $ 4,999 (+$50 S&H)ix and this Limited Edition Collector’s Survival Kit could be yours!: [12:04]
billymg: BingoBoingo: i do kind of like the aesthetic, but would like it more if the board was mounted and the case had port cutouts, etc., so that it could be used in that form [12:20]
billymg: seems kind of lazy/cynical given the >10x markup (or perhaps an april fools joke?) [12:20]
BingoBoingo: billymg: The guy used to hang around here until the children came and ate his time. [12:21]
billymg: yeah, i knew as much from the logs [12:21]
billymg: might have missed the part about having kids though [12:22]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lol! notice what's in the last pic in link [12:30]
mircea_popescu: billymg, quite. [12:31]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, he's got your X-ray pictures printed up [12:32]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: to add extra lulz, without any 'kiss and tell' , i.e. per d00d's own www -- -- seems like we sold him only 2... so he went and picked up 3 moar, so that he could this [12:33]
mircea_popescu: pretty lulzy. [12:34]
BingoBoingo: I wouldn't be surprised if he picked up more when the decision to hold off on more productions runs came down [12:34]
asciilifeform: chukcha shaman found radio. [12:34]
mircea_popescu: (the above quite was re "identify what needs to remain" comment. i guess i gotta get more disciplined with the linerefs. [12:35]
asciilifeform: esp. chukchaistic treatment of the xray ( wat exactly does xray of spare fg on asciilifeform's desk, tell buyer re pete_d's ? ) [12:36]
mircea_popescu: i expect it's an aesthetic consideration. [12:37]
asciilifeform: iguess [12:37]
asciilifeform: and/or , as suggested upstack, early april1 [12:37]
mircea_popescu: what does image of far away greek emperor tell bulgarian ? well... that the coin's made of gold. [12:37]
asciilifeform: i wouldn't even be surprised if he finally sells 1 [12:39]
asciilifeform: ( d00d hangs out with folx who pay weight in gold for ??? rarities ) [12:39]
asciilifeform: iirc danielpbarron sold at least 1 for 700+ orcbux somewhere [12:40]
mircea_popescu: in principle that's what utter failure to commercialize'd look like : item sells by the unit at 100x mark-up rather than by the barge at 1% mark-up. [12:41]
asciilifeform: the mindboggling thing is that afaik no one yet 'fuck you all, i'ma make own.' asciilifeform made this deliberately as simple as could be . [12:41]
mircea_popescu: cant imagine why you'd think its even remarkable.\ [12:42]
asciilifeform: dunno, imagined that somewhere someone 1) has hands growing from torso, not arse 2) wants rng 3) likes to blog re builds [12:43]
asciilifeform: evidently nope [12:44]
mircea_popescu: this is like wondering how come nobody on wikipedia went "fuck you all, ima write my own play". [12:44]
mircea_popescu: what, seriously, othello 2 ? [12:44]
asciilifeform: there was some fella who in 2000s 'fuck , i'm not paying 100k to hitachi, i'ma build own atomic force microscope' but admittedly was long time ago. [12:45]
mircea_popescu: consider the actual datapoints the actual flow of history offers us (quite in the vein of the vein) : datapoint a) is datapoint b) is [12:47]
a111: Logged on 2019-03-30 05:43 mircea_popescu: billymg, some dood bought it in bankruptcy proceedings last year. "23 million '''''''''visitors''''''''' " commanded ~$1.5mn. contrasting with one can peg intervening inflation at 300% over seven years. [12:47]
a111: Logged on 2017-05-03 20:04 mircea_popescu: dude, just call. nevermind the "questions" and rest of the crap. spend 1/10 of the time you frittered away already "on" this to call, write up your report, "i, pete d, aspiring to one day lordship, spent 8 hours today cold calling. i managed a total of 76 calls, which would get me fired from the average call center but hey, i'm new. these 76 calls went to so and so, here's the script, here's why i ammended it and when, here's [12:47]
a111: Logged on 2019-03-31 16:04 BingoBoingo: $ 4,999 (+$50 S&H)ix and this Limited Edition Collector’s Survival Kit could be yours!: [12:47]
mircea_popescu: the dood's self-valuation is there very much transparent : he wants to do a quarter hour of unskilled work and he wants to be paid 5k for it, ie about a week and a half's worth of skilled work. [12:48]
billymg: mircea_popescu: << for wp testing [12:48]
mircea_popescu: that's the leverage involved : for 1% or so of being a salesman, fellow would like 10`000% or so of being the corporation's president. [12:48]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: even funnier -- d00d dun actually need that 5k for anyffin, he inherited bargefull of moola at some pt in '14-15 , collects 'rolexes' etc. he's doin' it to (per tlp) 'Feel Like a Trader'(tm) [12:49]
mircea_popescu: which very much leads straight into the whole [12:49]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, mno, this is, genuinely, the self-valuation of labour. [12:50]
asciilifeform: evidently so [12:50]
mircea_popescu: and it just as genuinely explains for your benefit why "nobody made anything". for someone to have done 100% of the work of the competent sunkworks engineer, that someone'd have expected to be paid 10`000`000% the whole earth. [12:50]
mircea_popescu: as ~evidently enough there's not 10k earths around, but one, and as just as evidently russia ain't going along with ustarded "valuations", so even "Whole earth" is too high to reach, well... fellow "can't motivate himself" [12:51]
mircea_popescu: or, in his own words, [12:51]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: admittedly 'make own' using the published schem aint quite same thing as 'do 100% of the orig work' [12:51]
mircea_popescu: competent skunkwork engineer is caen-classified as "make own using published scheme" [12:52]
mircea_popescu: "do 100% of orig work" is not in caen code. [12:52]
asciilifeform: wat's a 'caen' ? [12:52]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, [12:53]
asciilifeform: lol!! [12:53]
* asciilifeform sadly familiar with the usg equiv. of ^ [12:53]
mircea_popescu: orcish idea, "let's classify human activity" "you mean robot activity ?" "shush" [12:53]
asciilifeform: << [12:54]
a111: Logged on 2019-01-18 17:38 asciilifeform: the bureaucracy 'codes' are sumthingelse... there was a time when asciilifeform slaved in a usg army research thing, and their 'job codes' were written in 1960s, there was no 'programmer'. so ended up 'chemist'. [12:54]
asciilifeform: ^ is a bottomless well of lulz. for instance, didjaknow, usg does not today and has never purchased 'computer'. it buys 'automated data processors' [12:55]
diana_coman: -> I'd say the "kids ate my time" is the convenient excuse as it's not like he has 100, nor like he is even main carer or anything just sayin'. [12:55]
a111: Logged on 2019-03-31 16:21 BingoBoingo: billymg: The guy used to hang around here until the children came and ate his time. [12:55]
asciilifeform: i oughta get pete to buy my bucket of aluminum swarf from machine shop bucket, coupla wks ago i filled it up again. maybe he can sell also for 5k.. [12:56]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, i'd rather suspect it's "ate his motivation", as in "i already gave at the office". [12:56]
diana_coman: re fg inside, I suppose that's the "those guys don't know how to sell" - gotta make it a collectable, there's no use and no purpose other than it's cool but mircea_popescu's explanation of self-valuation seems to me to explain it all much better really. [12:56]
* asciilifeform brb:teatime [12:56]
mircea_popescu: "isn't it enough that i'm getting real returns on THIS ONE THING ? it should be. all the rest... imaginary!" [12:56]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: wtf give exactly? [12:57]
mircea_popescu: he had kids. this means (in insane esltard worldview) that he condescended to receive merely 100% (if that!!!) of the return for 100% of the work (and more!!!!). [12:57]
mircea_popescu: this is, you must agree, a significant discount from his usual 10`000% of the return for 0.01% of the work. [12:58]
mircea_popescu: thus therefore -- since he's given the discount ONCE -- what more you want ? [12:58]
diana_coman: ah, uhm does that mean he didn't have sex before because return would be < 100% ? [12:58]
mircea_popescu: i'm sorry, i misspoke. not "what more you want" but "nobody could say there'd be more wanted", exactly in g. costanza's terms, "she can'tr say im not comfortable". [12:58]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, ah no, sex dun enter into it. [12:58]
diana_coman: I suspect the whole thing is more twisted than planeshift's code already. [12:59]
mircea_popescu: well, it'd have to be. [12:59]
mircea_popescu: how else could ps code be had ? [12:59]
diana_coman: ahahah, quite. [13:00]
diana_coman: but yes, on second pass I think I can see it: that's his sweat there, "having kids", the rest has to compensate !! [13:00]
mircea_popescu: quite. [13:02]
mircea_popescu: it's how mom&dad negotiations work, neh ? "ok, ima go to college (sorta) but you get new car". [13:02]
* diana_coman would get the kid a toy car since ~= "college" anyway. [13:03]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, would make a terrible mother! [13:04]
diana_coman: absolutely! [13:04]
mircea_popescu: amusingly, much in the vein of -- romanian "teribil" has none of the negative connotations of "terrible". [13:05]
mircea_popescu: it ~merely~ denotes something capable of striking terror. at which point yes, esltard will readily observe "same with terrible", and inquire interiorily "how could this be, inspire terror and not be terrible, aka bad ?!?!" [13:06]
mircea_popescu: yet "o mama teribila" is rather superlative in the original lang. [13:06]
mircea_popescu: this identification of "any feeling at all" with "bad" in the mental collective is why bush needn't cary any responsability for his empire's failure in the middle east (i don't mean, "his empire failing to achieve something or the other in that locale", i mean "the empire failing, aka ending, at that place", much like if i say "clinton's aneurism at 15th chelsea street" i mean the dork fell in the street, not that the stre [13:08]
mircea_popescu: et something or the other) [13:08]
mircea_popescu: billymg, mind re-doing for thx [13:19]
billymg: mircea_popescu: [13:38]
mircea_popescu: ty! [13:40]
mircea_popescu: billymg, 404's. allow 186.* for a moment ? [13:42]
asciilifeform: << diana_coman (iirc is in the l0gz, somewhere briefly) 1 time i dug up what turned out to be an attempt by pete_d to market fg -- his notion was 'first, gotta rename! it' [13:48]
a111: Logged on 2019-03-31 16:56 diana_coman: re fg inside, I suppose that's the "those guys don't know how to sell" - gotta make it a collectable, there's no use and no purpose other than it's cool but mircea_popescu's explanation of self-valuation seems to me to explain it all much better really. [13:48]
mircea_popescu: seems a common enough reaction. [13:48]
asciilifeform: was such 'success' that he never bothered to mention it here [13:48]
mircea_popescu: in fairness, common all the way to biology : before cell deems it can use virus, the latter first has to be de-capsid-ized. [13:48]
mircea_popescu: was pretty lulzy coda of the whole lulz : perhaps measles, also, should protest "all these cells using my genetic code!!!" [13:49]
a111: Logged on 2019-03-30 17:10 asciilifeform: << mega-likbez, btw, imho belongs in the log [13:49]
asciilifeform: man is supposedly moar clever than amoeba... [13:49]
mircea_popescu: who supposes ? [13:49]
asciilifeform: can only speak for self, asciilifeform previously supposed. [13:50]
asciilifeform: << same afaik in most west eurolangs, e.g. famous french sub 'le terrible' [13:54]
a111: Logged on 2019-03-31 17:05 mircea_popescu: amusingly, much in the vein of -- romanian "teribil" has none of the negative connotations of "terrible". [13:54]
billymg: mircea_popescu: whoops, sorry. try now [14:21]
billymg: actually, 2x whoops, just locked myself out temporarily -- should be good now [14:46]
mircea_popescu: billymg, submitterd for review, but long story short you don't have img upload anymore that i can find ? [14:54]
billymg: hmm, i definitely tested that aspect [14:56]
billymg: in the post edit screen, do you see an "upload/insert" label above the editing box? [14:58]
billymg: i wonder if this is a limitation of "contributor" role [14:58]
billymg: ah, yes [14:58]
billymg: one sec [14:58]
asciilifeform: imho 'roles' is yet-another wpism that could be cut w/ 0 tears [14:59]
billymg: updated, see if that works for you now [14:59]
diana_coman: fwiw I don't see any use for "roles" either [15:00]
asciilifeform: iirc theoretically it was for 'multi-author' blog. but who actually uses this. [15:00]
billymg: yeah, they have roles such as "contributor", "author", "editor" [15:01]
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> iirc theoretically it was for 'multi-author' blog. but who actually uses this. << Until cazalla retired, Qntra [15:02]
diana_coman: multiple authors is one thing aka multiple users multiple roles though is a different thing [15:02]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: afaik would've just as readily worked with simply you an' him having logins, no 'roles' knobs [15:03]
asciilifeform: 'roles' is as i see it simply the typical usgistic 'pissing section in swimming pool' pretense [15:03]
BingoBoingo: Sure. [15:03]
mircea_popescu: billymg, nope [15:10]
mircea_popescu: holy shit, now it's here. [15:10]
mircea_popescu: wtf, this is some primo shenanigans [15:10]
mircea_popescu: billymg, now "Unable to create directory /www/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/03. Is its parent directory writable by the server?" [15:13]
billymg: ah, issue with my server config [15:13]
billymg: ran into that when testing locally as well [15:13]
mircea_popescu: i can see the "forget roles" thing, but i expect this is no cheap or quick move of the scissor. [15:13]
mircea_popescu: will prolly go away when he sits down to remodel the data model after done with all these obvious library level snips. [15:14]
mircea_popescu: because yes, item is deeply in need of new data and calling models. [15:14]
billymg: mircea_popescu: did the necessary chmoding and usermoding, restarted apache, works for me now [15:20]
billymg: (also saw the same "unable to create directory" error prior to that just now) [15:21]
mircea_popescu: billymg, : "Size Thumbnail Medium Large Full size (560 × 420)" only permits me the 560x420 upload. ideally should have also a thumbnail or two, you know ? sometimes that works better. i suspect this comes from settings [15:26]
mircea_popescu: billymg, << also some allignment issues on main blog. [15:28]
billymg: the alignment issues probably the fault of the theme [15:29]
mircea_popescu: since you're touchging that, prolly good advice to widen it. [15:30]
mircea_popescu: if trilema-size (560 px wide) doesn't comfortably fit in your post column, prolly too narrow post column [15:31]
feedbot: << billymg -- Hurr durr [15:31]
billymg: definitely, i had planned to write a custom theme at some point, with inputs from the lords, to try and arrive at an "ideal" default theme [15:32]
mircea_popescu: whatever you decide on, 580 wide, 660 wide, whatever -- then you make thumbnails /4 that, so people can do things lik [15:32]
billymg: do you know if this was a regression in this patch? [15:33]
billymg: or something you would like to see [15:33]
mircea_popescu: "this" ? [15:33]
billymg: the image thumbnail generation [15:33]
mircea_popescu: or, the sizes. well, no, i expect this is part of the theme setting. i dunno that it'd work magically [15:33]
billymg: kk [15:33]
mircea_popescu: now ~whether~ it can or can not resize images, that'd be part of mp-wp, and i expect it'd work, but your current theme doesn't expose the functionality [15:34]
mircea_popescu: at least that's my understanding. [15:34]
billymg: ah, i see [15:34]
mircea_popescu: as far as experience illuminates, a theme goes like this : a) you must have a header, and a.1 you don't want it animated thus i know of nothing better than tcurrent state of the art as shown by trilema : mask-png which goes with the theme, invite user to take some pictures, apply the mask, upload them and have the theme rotate through them by some criteria. [15:36]
billymg: ok, i see now exactly what you meant by can't select the other sizes while uploading (only original) [15:36]
mircea_popescu: b) you will need a main column for text on the left, and either one or two service columns on the right. this is the first major decision in theme making : one ? or two ? [15:36]
billymg: the radio buttons are disabled [15:36]
billymg: this _may_ be a result of the patch, in which case a regression. will dig in [15:37]
mircea_popescu: b1. your text column will have to have a fixed size. this is the 2nd, and i suspect last decision you make. too wide, you get horizontal scrolling, and that sucks. too wide, you're reading an electromagnetic beam, which also sucks. [15:37]
billymg: heh, yup [15:37]
mircea_popescu: trilema's a little under 640, because trilema was made 10+ years ago. you can take advantage of wider screens, make the read column say 640. or 720, if single utility column. [15:38]
mircea_popescu: once you got that, the size of pics preset is establshed : one to fit well in column, one to fit two by each other, and one to fit four. [15:38]
mircea_popescu: b2. the utility columns must include a recent posts, a recent comments, and convenient access to archives. [15:38]
mircea_popescu: trilema puts articles outside comments inside ands some more trims underneath. but i don't expect this is the only way to go about it -- though perhaps it is best to have "recent x" things up top. [15:39]
mircea_popescu: c. you absolutely do not want any kind of nesting, comments or otherwise. c1. you do not want to split comment flow on pages. c2. you gotta have usage of various things such as blockquote or li or bold or h commensurate in comments with their use in post. comment should really look like mini-article, visually. [15:40]
mircea_popescu: that'd be pretty much everything that comes to mind. [15:41]
billymg: ok, i might capture/reference this in an upcoming post then, along with other potential roadmap items for consideration [15:44]
billymg: so far main buckets as i see are: 1) new tmsr/repuplican theme, 2) automated tests, 3) kill unnecessary code [15:45]
billymg: in no particular order, if anything i'd say it's 2, 3, 1 [15:45]
billymg: mircea_popescu: ok for me to lockup the blog again? [15:48]
billymg: but yeah, the "mp-wp roadmap proposal" post is something i've been meaning to do [15:54]
mircea_popescu: billymg, yea [15:55]
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phf: UHh9Yx4eabNECfuPBA5KG8uzm+OIKxDgVBk3ep/l7qs9lVnSAmss2xeFlu8hz8n8 [17:22]
phf: 5F4kXPIeQpdDdGSbFzmnR4fEkk2LSS1ZaWQ6zXCvPfHCfRcX3lHNFkgM4+Ewp4OY [17:23]
phf: K35kUXJlx3GTrLmgHqlUm5rgcEh4L9n30I6cjoof/oPY0tlvenDHZTw7n+a4xURq [17:23]
phf: =l8LI [17:23]
phf: -----END PGP MESSAGE----- [17:23]
phf: ffs, sorry about that, i fucked up a paste.. [17:23]
phf: asciilifeform: [17:25]
asciilifeform: phf: got it, thx. the linked piece already in log btw, phf excavated it last yr . [17:31]
feedbot: << PizarroISP -- Pizarro ISP March 31st Update [17:32]
asciilifeform: phf: the included items appear to be quite useful, also ty . [17:34]
asciilifeform: phf: pure gold, in fact. mega-find, phf. [17:46]
asciilifeform: << loox a++ . also ty phf. [17:51]
mod6: Evenin' all, the Bitcoin Foundation report will be delayed by a few more days than normal (typically I have it out by the 1st) it'll be done before April 5th though. Just a heads up. [21:01]
mod6: !!received-invoices [21:06]
deedbot: [21:06]
mod6: !!pay-invoice BingoBoingo 4 [21:21]
deedbot: Get your OTP: [21:21]
mod6: !!v 8F2E0C8F2975FE714EB00178DEFC457DDEAAC2A50CE8651A39123C9AE70AEF4C [21:25]
deedbot: mod6 paid BingoBoingo invoice 4 [21:25]
mod6: Cheers! [21:25]
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