Forum logs for 20 Nov 2018

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
trinque: hm nah, box has been up for 32 minutes. this is dc fuckery. [00:01]
mircea_popescu: heh. did you get new hdds lol [00:01]
mircea_popescu: in preparation of progress!! [00:02]
a111: Logged on 2018-11-18 21:59 trinque: taking it the other way, now there's this process where trinque swears to whoever's ledger that asks (fee or not, doesn't matter here). this comes to signify something, trustworthiness, w/e., can go to wells fargo now and bring in this credit report to get a mortgage. now folks come churn deedbot to produce this empty signifier. later trinque is asked to you know, DETECT FRAUD, maybe with machine learning [00:02]
trinque: lol, he's planning to compete with transunion! get him! [00:02]
mircea_popescu: anyway, can you check against local db whether it got shenaniganed ? [00:03]
mircea_popescu: the whole 23 / 25 / 29 then 59 / 19 / 31 regular tri-cycling is kinda suspicious. [00:04]
trinque: I can. The box is also in singapore, not known for its perfect internet connections [00:04]
trinque: christ, wtf [00:22]
mircea_popescu: << but neveryoumind that. the drop in bitcoin is where pizarro shines, right ? because in between slash on one hand and wisely deploying and so on has resulted in significant bitcoin appreciation of pizarro stock, right ? [01:07]
a111: Logged on 2018-11-19 23:39 asciilifeform: prolly the only biz that dun have this problem at all, is, which of oct '18 broadcast reports '8`484.51538878', i.e. capitalized until the sun burns out [01:07]
a111: Logged on 2014-01-24 13:03 mircea_popescu: like sailing, exactly. you can go just fine either with or against either wind or current [01:07]
a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 21:43 mircea_popescu: a more even split makes the "solar winds" 0-delta. [01:07]
a111: Logged on 2016-04-04 19:10 mircea_popescu: this plan to stockpile proper chips etc goes hand in hand with a republic-isp, incidentally, becauyse who else to own hardware [01:07]
mircea_popescu: what portion of teh 25% drop in bitcoin value in fiat have you managed to capture as notional pizarro stock appreciation ? [01:07]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in enduring lulz, [06:05]
mircea_popescu: and in forgotten keks, ("Yahoo Messenger has had an amazing run. Over its twenty years, Yahoo Messenger introduced hundreds of millions of people to the joys of just the right emoticon for the moment (aka emojis)."). this is the ~sum total of what they think they "contributed", an altogether not incorrect assumption (though "early lulzy deployment of caesar ciphers is what stands in my memor [06:10]
mircea_popescu: y -- idiots had "encrypted" their logfiles by xoring the csv with your username) [06:10]
mircea_popescu: (in similar lulz, ) [06:13]
asciilifeform: 'yahoo' still exists ?! [10:13]
trinque: aaand fighting with the DC about wtf is going on with the deedbot machine. [10:39]
trinque: looks like the migration to pizarro happens tonight for the bot. [10:40]
asciilifeform: trinque: 7 power fails in 5 minutes, or what was it [11:17]
trinque: haven't a damned at the present. I'm just going to redeploy the thing clean elsewhere. [11:18]
* asciilifeform looks on dulap-III, 'up 210 days' -- i.e. ever since i taught BingoBoingo how to not elbow the mains plug [11:22]
asciilifeform: net 0 of unscheduled mains failures, outside of that day, is 0 so far. [11:22]
asciilifeform: *net # [11:22]
asciilifeform: trinque: funnily enuff , i was ~just about~ to buy a 'it is tempting fate to put ERRYTHING in 1 rack' box in singapore ! [11:24]
asciilifeform: now somehow appetite's gone away [11:24]
mircea_popescu: trinque keks "they don't know" eh ? [12:11]
mircea_popescu: can definitely count as "secret supoena" bs, by my lights. what dc was it ? [12:11]
trinque: this is a piece of shit vps on a service called vultr. the thing was being used as little more than a web-toilet which other services elsewhere use. [12:18]
trinque: looks more like their backup service doesn't work and has been trying and failing to backup the box for about a day [12:18]
trinque: but who can say. maybe agent dickweed thought he got one in. [12:19]
asciilifeform: vps ha. so dun even make sense to think 'power fail' etc [12:20]
mircea_popescu: trinque wouldn't that be more regular than ? [12:21]
a111: Logged on 2018-11-20 05:04 mircea_popescu: the whole 23 / 25 / 29 then 59 / 19 / 31 regular tri-cycling is kinda suspicious. [12:21]
asciilifeform: given as it was vps, dollars to doughnuts 'agent dickweed' was trying out a standard xyzbleed-powered vm escape, and hosed buncha processes, incl. trinque's [12:26]
asciilifeform: ( there's what, 5? 6? of'em published nao ? that work on all x86 iron ) [12:26]
asciilifeform: i've lost count tbh [12:27]
mircea_popescu: aha. and then "fixed" and then "reverted" and then a few hours later "tried again". [12:27]
asciilifeform: either him 'restarted' or the robot [12:28]
mircea_popescu: kinda as signature-y as the dum-dudum sound of trained shooter with ak-47 [12:28]
asciilifeform: the 23 / 25 ... etc is prolly simply how long it happened to take for the thing to restart [12:29]
mircea_popescu: i don't follow ? [12:30]
asciilifeform: the down-times [12:31]
asciilifeform: ( did i misread , or weren't those dead times in sec. ) [12:31]
mircea_popescu: minutes and the timing not so strictly relevant. clusters of 3 reboots hours apart seem suspicious to me, is what i said. [12:32]
asciilifeform: aa [12:32]
asciilifeform: ok makes sense [12:32]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the #girlscode farms, LordMPofTMSR 3w "Not even kidding." LonelyBunneh 1h "Hi" LordMPofTMSR 6m "Aha ?" LonelyBunneh 5m "What" LordMPofTMSR 2m "Idiot." [12:32]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sounds like yer bot just possibly ran into ~second~ bot 'of opposite sex' [12:33]
mircea_popescu: dunnit tho. [12:33]
asciilifeform: tbf a buncha them sound just like. [12:33]
mircea_popescu: !#s college debt [12:34]
a111: 48 results for "college debt", [12:34]
asciilifeform: seems like good % of that site's inhabitants fail turing test [12:34]
mircea_popescu: that shouldn't prevent #fetgirlscode!!! [12:34]
asciilifeform: #girlsthatarecode [12:34]
mircea_popescu: !!! [12:35]
asciilifeform: them. [12:35]
* asciilifeform tries to picture bot an intelligent mircea_popescu-seeking fetgurl might write, to search for mircea_popescus [12:36]
asciilifeform: !#s parry eliza [12:37]
a111: 8 results for "parry eliza", [12:37]
asciilifeform: << subj >> for posterity [12:37]
a111: Logged on 2014-03-04 23:44 asciilifeform: [12:37]
asciilifeform: 'Later, in 1971, Colby, Weber and Hilf developed PARRY, another chatbot, but this time was a paranoid schizophrenic made to chat with ELIZA. So they hooked up at ARPANET (pre-Internet) and put them to chat together. ' etc [12:38]
asciilifeform: PARRY: You should pay more attention. ELIZA: Suppose you should pay more attention. PARRY: You're entitled to your own opinion. ELIZA:What makes you think I am entitled to my own opinion? .. [12:38]
mircea_popescu: those were the days [12:39]
* mircea_popescu recently ran into refference to this pairing reading old trilemas. [12:39]
asciilifeform: the eliza thing, in particular the behaviour of the secretute who was given a whirl at the terminal, was 1 of those 'great advance warnings' of tech, sorta like edison's electrocuted drunk [12:44]
asciilifeform: ( but nobody ever heeds warning ) [12:45]
asciilifeform: and even nao that we have a 'the net' that consists to five-nines % of elizas and meat-elizas, even now one will still find the story in schoolbooks as 'great advance of ai' rather than 'great fathom of the sheer depth of meat puppet idjicy' [12:46]
mircea_popescu: well... [12:47]
asciilifeform: 1966 !! [12:47]
mircea_popescu: "think positive" yes. [12:47]
mircea_popescu: [12:47]
asciilifeform: in 1966! already known! that secretute at terminal means , inescapably as lead poisoning , 'net of elizas' [12:48]
mircea_popescu: but !!! [12:49]
mircea_popescu: i shall now carry the entirety of this conversation in trilema titles. [12:49]
asciilifeform: lolbot-rights. [12:49]
mircea_popescu: yeah well. [12:49]
mircea_popescu: just because they're stupid doesn't mean they're not some mother's children too! [12:50]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suspect one prolly ~could~ carry on a lengthy thread sewn strictly from trilema titles. [12:50]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so then why blame them for trying! :D [12:50]
asciilifeform: iirc i suggested this lul yrs prior, but would be hilarious if there were a parallel #trilema consisting simply of bots, 1 for each of us, fed with corpus of log lines + shannonizer [12:51]
asciilifeform: ( n00bs would perhaps be sent there, and only those who graduate given to know of the actual #trilema ... ) [12:52]
mircea_popescu: lol [12:53]
mircea_popescu: the funniest bit being, that the above construction is exactly what teh robohitler's notion of luxury line anti-trilema would look like. [12:53]
asciilifeform: prolly a team of 200 primo java monkeys already on it [12:54]
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, all the morons still buying into the "ripple" wash trade ? srlsly ? ripple is worth something, really ? even after this week ? [13:12]
mircea_popescu: takes a minute to knock it in the head to match bitcoin. the relative weights are in excess of 1mn to 1, and yet some idiots somewhere still think ripple's worth more than a used car ?! [13:13]
asciilifeform: is the existence of 1 such idiot a necessary hypothesis ? or could be 100% wash [13:14]
mircea_popescu: happened fucking twice, what, unless i package it in lolcats it can stare right there from the graph, eliza dun see naught ? [13:14]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform could be , i suppose. [13:14]
asciilifeform: the 1 probe i can think of would be to try selling a bit of it an' see if it's bought but i haven't any idea why to bother ( and would have to get some to sell in the 1st place ) [13:15]
asciilifeform: ( recall the bt'cash' experiment... ) [13:16]
mircea_popescu: oh, it's bought alright. thence the above discussions of weights. [13:16]
mircea_popescu: but it's bought with what, haliburton's lost palet of "valuable us currency" ? [13:16]
asciilifeform: prolly 'lazy-evaluated', if mircea_popescu were to show up with a train load , they'll print with what to buy [13:17]
asciilifeform: at least the 'monero' crackpot folx have some nominal chump lure ( the ring signature song an' dance ) . but 'ripple' i have genuinely nfi who would deal in, other than eliza [13:18]
asciilifeform: and for what. [13:18]
mircea_popescu: for what. for [13:19]
mircea_popescu: self-proclaimed "independent minds"/fuckwads GOTTA be hurt. that's what their life is about and for, "options". can't simply submit and worship bitcoin cock. [13:20]
asciilifeform: ah is this the 'we want Just Like Btc but Magically Nonvolatile' people ? [13:20]
asciilifeform: which particular barb of the cock are they trying to weasel away from [13:20]
mircea_popescu: by now it's mostly a sort of "dao without mp's splooge up ass" "but dorks... it has it on the face." "only asshole counts now!" [13:21]
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's kinda difficult / far from trivial to put clucker "thought" into human language. [13:22]
asciilifeform: my (admittedly nonexpert, i dun have a stable of mata haris to actually infiltrate the fuhrerbunker) model , is that reich has exactly 3 ways of getting hands on coin : 1 ) to mine ( not working so well, on acct of ) 2) to whack somebody over the head an' take their keyz. also not doing so hot, e.g. 3 ) to con idjits [13:24]
a111: Logged on 2018-11-16 14:31 mircea_popescu: for as long as only slanty eyes has horses, all horse races however drafted will have their fucking horses winning. [13:24]
asciilifeform: who somehow still have btc, into trading it for shitcoins. this last one seems to be the current flagship algo. working, as i understand, surprisingly well, monerism, etc [13:24]
mircea_popescu: hey, a thousand or two is exactly what usg should have, based on its situation in the world, truthful general importance and so on. [13:48]
mircea_popescu: so it works out. [13:48]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: per / , cluckers -- go to soup, in all times an' places, but while there are cluckers , farmer eats well [13:48]
asciilifeform: 'Покуда есть на свете дураки, / Обманом жить нам, стало быть, с руки. / Какое небо голубое, / Мы не сторонники разбоя: / На дурака не нужен нож, / Ему с три короба наврёшь - / И делай с ним, что хошь!' (tm)(r)('Приключения Буратино', classic ru kidz b00k very loosely based on [13:50]
asciilifeform: 'pinocchio') [13:50]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: whatever happend to 'they belong in the lime pit' . why 'thousand or two', their correct share is imho 0 [13:52]
mircea_popescu: well are we discussing present or future ? [13:53]
asciilifeform: future, i gather [13:53]
mircea_popescu: i was discussing present. [13:53]
asciilifeform: future is function of the present tho [13:53]
mircea_popescu: and the bitcoin present value of & periphenalia is about there. [13:54]
a111: Logged on 2018-11-16 16:41 mircea_popescu: empire is selling orcs the impression "they're in on a secret" [13:54]
mircea_popescu: going by : is this also known, in "russian from odessa" bestiary, the thing where teenaged girl looking to mate "wants to tell you a secret" ? [13:54]
a111: Logged on 2018-11-12 16:45 asciilifeform: we're from neighbouring, if you will, home planets. [13:54]
asciilifeform: i guess [13:55]
asciilifeform: evidently their extraction engine ~does~ work, or waterfall would have long ago dried [13:55]
mircea_popescu: how do you say "vreau sa-ti spun ceva" in teh russky ? [13:55]
asciilifeform: скажу вам кое-что ? [13:56]
mircea_popescu: does it carry teh burning of girly lips, "return to the blue lagoon" style ? [13:56]
asciilifeform: or i suppose in anglostan, 'pssst' [13:57]
asciilifeform: prolly closest'd be 'скажу по-секрету...' [14:11]
asciilifeform: the imho misfortunate bit, is that for so long as they can the waterfall, they actually ~have~ what to 'pssst, tell ya a valuable seekrit' to favoured orcs [14:15]
a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 18:46 BingoBoingo: Well, they gotta let the price run up again before they waterfall for increasingly disappointing crashes a couple more times at least. [14:15]
asciilifeform: i.e. they share some % of the turbine's output with the folx who help'em refill [14:15]
mircea_popescu: hey, venerable sexuate reproduction worked well for all these years. every fifteen year old has a "secret" to share that's as unsecret as unsecrets can ever be. [14:16]
mircea_popescu: "creativity", rite. [14:17]
asciilifeform: soo the fact that btc/usd would fall 3.5x from dec '17 to today, was not seekrit ?! or contention is that it wasn't product or waterfall ..? which ? [14:18]
asciilifeform: *of [14:18]
mircea_popescu: consider for a moment bitcoin valuation in fiat was a monotone function. [14:20]
* asciilifeform duly considers [14:20]
mircea_popescu: now, consider that the ~only problem of human society is the resolution of the dispute or if you prefer the "this is old and therfore good / this is new and therefore better" dilemma. [14:21]
mircea_popescu: or of the "it's unfair that guy is a lord just because he read the call back when i wasn't born yet". or however you turn it, it's the same fucking thing. [14:21]
mircea_popescu: how do you propose to reconcile monotone valuations with cyclical populations ? [14:21]
asciilifeform: i dun have a perpetuum mobile in my pocket, 'here's how'. simply pointing out that ( as mircea_popescu wrote on his www looong before i tuned in ) 'tard with gigantic bag of dough can wreck whole planets' , and that today this role is played by usg rather than gaggle of free range forumtards [14:23]
mircea_popescu: "oh woe to me, of course mp is rich, he spent a summer with bitcoin at $2" "and what were you doing late nov 2018 ?" "oh, bitcoin didn't look good anymore i'll be back to woe my whine once it comes back up". [14:23]
mircea_popescu: even without those, there'd still have to be drops. it's just unsanitary not to. [14:23]
mircea_popescu: the equivalent would be a forum in which the shinohais, shined forever. [14:24]
a111: Logged on 2018-11-18 17:25 echelon: nanotube and theymos? [14:24]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: given as you read my ( and then invited asciilifeform to party consequently ) you prolly know that asciilifeform is not fixated on magic 'fair' [14:24]
mircea_popescu: in fact, one of the principal signals of a dead (ie, divorced from reality) monetary system is... [14:24]
asciilifeform: ... physically-implausible stability, sure [14:26]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but the question still stands. it stands ubiquitously and universally, too. your elder slavegirl brings in a maid, style. what now ? who's on top and when and why and so on. [14:26]
asciilifeform: my q was whether usg has managed to re-create 'the printing press', or reasonable emulation thereof, via controlled waterfall . [14:26]
mircea_popescu: and i dispute natural (and necessary) fluctuation can ~in principle~ serve as indication in that direction. [14:27]
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu says 'natural fluctuation, aint enriching goldman sachs, they do not in fact know exactly when the year's peak and trough will be in advance' then i'ma have to believe , i dun have mata haris to send to find out [14:28]
mircea_popescu: no mata haris, fine, sure. think of it in game theoretic terms, if you will ? [14:28]
mircea_popescu: suppose there's two countries, A and B. suppose they have their repsective currencies, a and b. obviously through trade there's at all points going to be some b in A and some a in B. [14:29]
asciilifeform: that's my whole trouble, i am thinking of it in strictly gametheoretical terms, and it currently seems to me that a sufficiently large holder can inject oscillations into the system which he can then ride. [14:29]
mircea_popescu: suppose now that for whatever reason, A.dorks decided "they will know in advance" "when a/b ratio is high and when a/b is low. [14:30]
mircea_popescu: so at the coming time, they declare they shall trade a for b at the specified ratio. and B had a bumper crop, and so B buys a lotta a. [14:30]
mircea_popescu: do you see how the only outcome of this is B expanding its borders into A ? [14:30]
asciilifeform: sure [14:31]
asciilifeform: which element of observed system corresponds to 'bumper crop' of the model ? [14:31]
mircea_popescu: say [14:32]
a111: Logged on 2018-08-28 17:22 deedbot: << Qntra - USG Butthurt China Won't Share Samples Of H7N9 Flu Virus [14:32]
mircea_popescu: or say [14:32]
mircea_popescu: or whatever random real event. [14:32]
mircea_popescu: whole point of "bumper crop" is that A.dorks arbitrary value for a is divergent from market value of a. nothing more than that. [14:33]
mircea_popescu: and this is a necessary premise of your theory, so i'm not introducing anything here. [14:34]
asciilifeform: my picture was slightly different tho : consider how you can break a pane of glass with a few joules , that normally would not even be felt on other side, if pumped into it with minimal impedance mismatch (i.e. on resonant phase). as in the famous opera singer trick. [14:34]
mircea_popescu: for the ~same money you could say "bitcoin is realligning to its true value driven by systematic failure of tmsr. [14:34]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure, but that requires a few joules kinetic and a few terrabytes gnoseologic. as in your quote with "needed dollar to turn screw and million to know whcih one" [14:36]
asciilifeform: if 'a' and 'b' are in a 'trench warfare' situation where neither has decisive advantage and can slaughter the other, their interaction will form dynamic system, and oscillate ( as the wolf and the hare taught in diff eq kindergarten ) [14:36]
mircea_popescu: yes, certainly. [14:36]
asciilifeform: my q was , whether btc/orcbux have formed such a system and if so, whether sumbody's 'singing' into it [14:37]
mircea_popescu: doesn't seem the case to me, but hey. [14:37]
mircea_popescu: "singing" in this manner isn't nearly trivial, which is why say dogs don't do it. dogs do all sorts of things, but understanding glass as a system to the degree needed here is rather tall a fence. [14:38]
asciilifeform: ( and no, i dun have a cure to offer if indeed it is so, it seems to come with thermodynamics and any proposed 'cure' is likely to kill the eater like qin shihuangdi's mercury pills killed him ) [14:38]
mircea_popescu: i'm just saying, there's both practical and theoretical views trhat are both more parcimonious and do not need it. [14:39]
mircea_popescu: what ~did~ you expect bitcoin/usd will do, if we're retreating on foundation, still not solved pizarro market communication a full year later, etcetera ? [14:39]
asciilifeform: ( although, physical-object engineering does offer a ~treatment~, if not cure -- when folx build bridges, they put in dampeners so the thing has a shot at dumping energy even if ends up 'pumped' ) [14:39]
mircea_popescu: it's the currency of the republic, you're so surprises it follows the flow and ebb of the very republic in question ? [14:39]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if this is how it worx, then evidently it's 2pi radian out of phase ( i.e. peak was when republic was at its lowest ) [14:40]
mircea_popescu: it was ?! [14:40]
asciilifeform: when we had smoking crater instead of isp etc [14:41]
mircea_popescu: what was so bad in dec 2017 ? [14:41]
asciilifeform: had no rack, neh [14:43]
mircea_popescu: also didn't look like a bunch of inept dorks. [14:43]
* asciilifeform doesn't dispute mircea_popescu's model, as such, but would be surprised if propagation were instantaneous [14:45]
mircea_popescu: certainly not instantaneous. for that matter, no propagation is proven at all or anything. but rather than "mysterious alien forces", how about you know... "in 2017 we hadn't started building a house which meanwhile we did build, leaky roof y compris" [14:45]
mircea_popescu: do you think less of the man with no shed, or the man with the leaky roof shed ? [14:46]
asciilifeform: yea makes sense [14:46]
mircea_popescu: this for the practical. the theoretical still stands as well : bitcoin valuation in any other currency will fluctuate, because new cunts come out of the skirts every day and they have to be sorted somehow. [14:46]
asciilifeform: ( BingoBoingo : you do recall that yer the pizarro.fuhrer nao ! how are we doing re sealing that roof ?? ) [14:47]
mircea_popescu: kek [14:47]
asciilifeform: can kek, but asciilifeform is not a strategist, but only master of proviant, as it currently stands, and would be dangerously out of his depth if were to 'hey BingoBoingo, let's x , y, and z ' [14:52]
mircea_popescu: in deeply unrelated lulz, "masochisticslut1 22F sub 8m 1. stop sending the same message to multiple girls. youre being blasted on social media by someone else." << can you believe this shit, whereby "social media" is so opaque, this "blasting" can actually NOT BE FOUND, i mean at all, even if specifically looking for it ? [14:54]
asciilifeform: ( if BingoBoingo determines 'we need 4 dulap-class boxes by feb', asciilifeform will obtain, fly'em in, etc ) [14:54]
mircea_popescu: i'm actually curious if anyone manages to find it. because i dun see it, and i got fucking telescopes. [14:54]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly ref to that reddit chix ? [14:55]
asciilifeform: or was that in '15 [14:55]
mircea_popescu: this whole "social media" thing looks a lot broken-er than anyone realises. [14:55]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i doubt 22 yo fetlife moron has the werewithal to reference anything that happened last week, let alone years ago. [14:55]
asciilifeform: also good % of 'media' is only visible to whichever xyz clique of circle-jerkers ( iirc arsebook & similar, work like this ) [14:55]
asciilifeform: so not necessarily shows in searchtrons [14:56]
mircea_popescu: no, basically what's going on is that "EVERYONE!!! has read this vice article me and two other girls read (of which one wrote it)". there's this expectation of exposure that is entirely unsustained in practice. [14:56]
mircea_popescu: i tend to diagnose this by simple measures such as "well, i published x and y, and then 0.k% of sample is aware of both x and y" sorta thing. vast majority of "linkiedin contacts" of miss piggy have yet to see miss piggy article, vast majority of other side have yet to conceptualize "oh, what do you mean OUT IN THE OPEN", and then there's stuff, with all the pics sitting right the fuc [14:57]
a111: Logged on 2018-11-18 17:14 bullcosby: mircea_popescu: any more pics of her? [14:57]
mircea_popescu: k there... [14:57]
asciilifeform: sorta what the heathen 'industry' specializes in, neh -- to convince erry amoeba that she has a working microphone and 'audience' [14:58]
a111: Logged on 2018-11-20 17:48 asciilifeform: in 1966! already known! that secretute at terminal means , inescapably as lead poisoning , 'net of elizas' [14:58]
mircea_popescu: you want "magical goldman sachs" to "resonant frequency" a system of the complexity of tmsr and then these people go hiring, and the hiring pool has SERIOUS TROUBLE going past banal "oh, would any girl do that keks" [14:59]
mircea_popescu: literally, lacking the intellectual sophistication to a) put together items GIVEN TOGETHER or else b) realise their tools are broken to this degree. [14:59]
* BingoBoingo rehydrates and catches up on logs [15:00]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can only speak what of what i personally witnessed , but presently in the 'software' arm of reich you gotta march in half a regiment or moar, to hire 1 platoon of folx who can 'hello world' [15:01]
asciilifeform: ( this being said, there ~is~ a population of folx who were built before 'soul warehouse ran out of souls' and they're working ~somewhere~ ) [15:02]
mircea_popescu: how ? how is this miracle supposed to occur ? random girl that lacks the werewithal to skip past "oh, how would any girl do that" into the "wow, apparently this guy actually has had this occur before ?", by the act of being hired by who ? goldman sachs ? magically becomes so finely intelligent she can somehow distil things i don't see into effectual "oscillators" ?! then how the fuck did things like [15:02]
mircea_popescu: w-enforcement-never-fails-to-unintentionally-entertain/#selection-133.0-133.102 or, for that matter, ? [15:02]
asciilifeform: take the slightly moar advanced in the decay , argentine monkeys. i went there , and saw that e.g. traffic lights, worked. ~somebody~ keeps'em working, neh [15:03]
asciilifeform: and it aint the 'ninxxx's [15:03]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no but the problem here isn't even "write software", which even ALLOWS for something like an ooda coupling. the idea here is to somehow magic trends and events, splice them together into resonant actionables ?! [15:03]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they work until replaced. they're not "kept working" anymore than the earth's "kept rotating". guess what -- once it stops rotating there'll be a new set of gnats and motes. there's no "keeping", "fixing" etc. [15:04]
asciilifeform: there's a reason i picked traffic light as example -- yes you can buy replacement parts from chinese, but to keep traffic actually moving requires at least 1 d00d in a cellar somewhere with an elementary understanding of impedance , graduated from diff eq kindergarten, etc [15:05]
mircea_popescu: absolutely not. [15:05]
asciilifeform: you cannot buy from shanghai ~working system~, matched to the actual terrain [15:06]
mircea_popescu: all it requires is argentine drivers. [15:06]
mircea_popescu: "as it works -- so it was intended to work" [15:06]
asciilifeform: possibly [15:06]
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ( if BingoBoingo determines 'we need 4 dulap-class boxes by feb', asciilifeform will obtain, fly'em in, etc ) << I suspect more hardware is part of the solution. The Mocky mission to Qatar was a disappointment in the orc non-responsiveness. [15:06]
* asciilifeform didn't observe for long enuff to disagree/agree [15:06]
mircea_popescu: i am willing to swear no traffic systems work as intended in any orcistan. [15:06]
mircea_popescu: they certainly ~never~ so worked in romania, to the point of notoriety. [15:06]
asciilifeform: incidentally where in ro does one have to go to see gridlock ? i did not see in either timis or bucharest [15:07]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i am willing to swear no traffic systems work as intended in any orcistan. << Walking back from the place where rent is paid, there was ancient looking sad bus with police escort. Another U-17 female soccer team. First bus I have seen with police escort. [15:07]
asciilifeform: lotsa rusting junk piles on kerbs, yes but no gridlocks [15:07]
mircea_popescu: i dunno, haven't been in a long time. was never much of a problem historically, but then again back then only cool people had cars anyway [15:08]
asciilifeform: right, in those times no gridlock anywhere [15:08]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo wait, girl soccer ? what ? [15:08]
asciilifeform: ( as there was not in su, outside of 'brezhnev is driving and taking up five streets' days in moscow ) [15:08]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Girl soccer world cup [15:10]
mircea_popescu: terrible female sport wtf. [15:10]
BingoBoingo: Saw Spanish team in the mall one trip, Probable North Korean team anothe [15:10]
BingoBoingo: r [15:10]
mircea_popescu: moar jumping. no volleyball where these ppl live ? [15:10]
BingoBoingo: No [15:10]
mircea_popescu: sad. [15:11]
BingoBoingo: The boys play volleyball on the beach here :( [15:11]
mircea_popescu: right, cuz femorons gotta sit in the basement and listen to mommy. [15:12]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: speaking of which, local uni fishwrap ( of 'fame' ) is all on fire with whine re trump, supposedly, threatening to enforce 'frat d00dz accused of 'rape' must get to cross-examine accuser' as condition of the usg funding of nobody-wants-to-watch gurl sports (apparently they're 100% usg-sponsored) [15:12]
a111: Logged on 2018-10-04 00:02 asciilifeform: i recently got hold of local uni's 'student newspaper', it apparently consists ~100% by weight nao of 'police report : someone wrote 'nigger' on a whiteboard' . [15:12]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform doh! [15:12]
asciilifeform: i.e. ohnoez, they might mandate the minimal standard of jurisprudence given in 'malleus maleficarum' [15:13]
mircea_popescu: hey, dreams are built of what dreams are built of. [15:13]
asciilifeform: ( currently it's, as i understand, sumthing like lenin's 'troikas' of 1918 ) [15:13]
mircea_popescu: anyway, now there's possibly the ~upper limit~ of usgistani resonance. [15:14]
mircea_popescu: play the sports femtards vs the sitting femtards, that's something. [15:15]
BingoBoingo: Anyways they have basketball here, but it plays second fiddle to soccer because no tall afrodescendientes here [15:15]
mircea_popescu: basketball even ok girl sport. gotta make the bitches jump, what's so hard about the concept ? it's the ass, stupid. [15:16]
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I finally saw proper gridlock last year on the outskirts of Bucharest because 1. former village is now colony of office drones so gotta get to/from work at same time 2. "road" was still former village ulita pretty much 3. they were also ..."working" aka half of it was blocked anyway [15:16]
BingoBoingo: [15:16]
a111: Logged on 2018-11-17 00:28 BingoBoingo: In other news, apparently the U17 Female world cup is in town and the Españolas shop at Tienda Inglesa [15:16]
a111: Logged on 2018-11-17 18:55 BingoBoingo: In other news, I am pretty sure I saw the U-17 North Korean team in the Shopping today [15:16]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The Spanish girl athletes were odd. Ass deficient and giant calves [15:17]
asciilifeform: diana_coman: here, too, they tend to have it around clusters of 'worker' (office plankton) anthills , esp. the kind with underground garages and lengthy queues to get in/out [15:17]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman you know, even in commie time, they had more sense than this latino same hour idiocy. i distinctly recall various large factory bosses in cluj agreeing how to interleave their hours so as to not jampack the conveyances [15:17]
mircea_popescu: "cug starts 6:30, terapia 7:00 farmec 7:30" etc etc. [15:18]
asciilifeform: bbbut phreemarket!111 how could have 2 anthills coordinating anyffing!11 [15:18]
mircea_popescu: cuz the guys in question sat for a drink [15:18]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, aha and I wouldn't be surprised if clasa muncitoare resented them for it [15:18]
mircea_popescu: i dunno. i actuallty dun think anyone ever asked that "clasa muncitoare" anything. [15:19]
asciilifeform: ( somehow the thing is a-ok, 'unprincipled exception' or what was it called ) [15:19]
a111: Logged on 2015-07-12 05:19 assbot: End in sight for Google, Apple, Intel and Adobe wage-fixing lawsuit • The Register ... ( ) [15:19]
diana_coman: sure, not asked the point was that there was someone to coordinate/think that so it got done now there isn't, they do what they want rite,'s not done [15:20]
BingoBoingo: In rather convincing spam [15:20]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lol! sudan is the new nigeria or wat [15:21]
diana_coman: onth it makes easier to avoid the mess since it's all at one time, can't quite complain [15:21]
mircea_popescu: myeah. at least the local lindora morons have the excuse that well, their "office job" being call center for us corps... [15:21]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'm having trouble telling if Spam (my email filter is rather convinced) or earnest solicitation [15:22]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it it's via email, and out of wot, it is definitionally spamolade [15:22]
asciilifeform: == 'nigerian prince' [15:22]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it's spam. you can tell because it shows up on abandoned "blogs" that've meanwhile been added to the spamchurn etc. [15:24]
BingoBoingo: ah [15:24]
asciilifeform: folx sending 'earnest solicitation' via spammail exist on same planet as 'herbal impotence cure' etc [15:24]
BingoBoingo: Still hit that fine line separating parody from reality though I have no interest in assisting "Transitional Government of National Unity (TGoNU)" [15:25]
asciilifeform: 'national unity', supposing it lived , rather than work of unimaginative fiction, can reg a key and speak here like errybody else. [15:26]
BingoBoingo: Back in the hostel days I did meet one fellow from Sudan, before he left he made his dislike of the Montevideo nightlife known [15:26]
mircea_popescu: in what terms ? [15:27]
BingoBoingo: Maybe he wasn't used to the hookers being as coy as they are here? He never got specific [15:27]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i dun recall, didja ever detail how hookers work in BingoBoingostan ? ( when i was in buenos aires, there were paper spams plastered over erry surface , dumpsters, gates, etc. with ads for supposed hooker . but in BingoBoingo did not notice any such thing ) [15:28]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo so next time ask! [15:29]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In BingoBoingostan they hang out at the bus stops and the Whiskerias. They also have a few competing online ad deals trying to be the PedidosYa of hooking [15:29]
* asciilifeform cannot help but picture a 'whiskeria' as 1 of those cafes where you rent cats by the hour... [15:30]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo so next time ask! << Short fat socially awkward african from Sudan, at the time I figured he didn't have social captial outside of whatever feifdom his father carved [15:31]
diana_coman: fwiw re trinque's troubles with singapore vm - I never had trouble so far with connection or anything else from Singapore though mine is not virtual anything [15:31]
asciilifeform: diana_coman: 'virtual' host is a server like public toilet stall is a flat [15:31]
trinque: the idiots got back to me and said "hypervisor was misconfigured". I bet it was! [15:31]
mircea_popescu: hypervisor was suddenly misconfigured. [15:31]
trinque: asciilifeform: eh, give me stable management of pizarro how bout, and I'll sit down more firmly on the chair [15:31]
trinque: for now I'm using the ability to rapidly redeploy this thing (and hosting the most important parts elsewhere) to deal with the shitty landscape [15:32]
asciilifeform: trinque: i dun have any complaints about the firmness of sitters in the chair. even an indestructible , firmly in-the-black pizarro dun mean that 'put ALL boxes in 1 rack' is good idea, imho [15:33]
deedbot: << Qntra - Tumblr Removed From Apple Store Over Child Porn [17:56]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman << sounds exactly like teh right move. [17:56]
* asciilifeform polishing off '12B' [18:23]
* asciilifeform realized that he's gonna need a constant-time keccak for the final chapters, dun have 1 yet [18:25]
hanbot: << meanwhile i have a prototype that lets user upload multiple pix at a time in the sense that there are N boxes with 'browse' button hooked to a single 'upload' click. question is, if this is even a reasonable way to do it, what should N be? [21:39]
a111: Logged on 2018-10-31 23:16 mircea_popescu: << ikr, multi-upload has been on the wishlist for mp-wp ever since... hey hanbot how long's it been now ? [21:39]
mircea_popescu: hanbot a moment's meditation reveals that i dun really want to clickl a bunch of boxes. ideally, i'd click once, and shift-select a set of files. does php even support this in any sense ? [21:56]
mircea_popescu: <input type="file" multiple=""/> << apparently this exists now. [21:59]
hanbot: i get whatcha mean, yeah. looks like specifying multiple and fucking around with arrays should make it work thusly, i'll see if i can coax it. [22:14]
mircea_popescu: nice! [22:25]
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