Forum logs for 15 Dec 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00058382 = 7.5897 BTC [-]	[00:10]
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scoopbot	New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2014/12/the-antidote-to-ransomware-prevention/	[00:14]
BingoBoingo	scoopbot: Good boy!	[00:15]
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decimation	it'll be interesting to see if the us stock market blows its top this week	[00:52]
decimation	should be bullish for bitcoin in fiat	[00:52]
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decimation	re: "there's no inflation" << if you look at assets that are close to the bezzle this is obviously false http://cdn2.blog-media.zillowstatic.com/1/SECMI-Infographic-01-9e5cc6.png << manhattan real estate for instance	[00:55]
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decimation	http://www.zillow.com/east-hampton-ny/home-values/ << hamptons are about 2x since 2005	[00:56]
assbot	East Hampton Home Prices and Home Values - Zillow ... ( http://bit.ly/1IRrYEE )	[00:56]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1169 @ 0.0012 = 1.4028 BTC	[01:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.0006051 = 5.6879 BTC [+]	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	decimation course.	[01:13]
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mircea_popescu	the inflation is immense. back in the 80s, a 2k monthy salary made one comfortable	[01:14]
mircea_popescu	today it's what, 10k.	[01:14]
decimation	heh it depends where one is living, but yeah	[01:14]
mircea_popescu	not really that much.	[01:14]
mircea_popescu	anyway, that's 8.5% a year for two decades	[01:15]
decimation	I think part of that is explained by the fact that most us couples now both work	[01:15]
mircea_popescu	two decades during which NOTHING paid anywhere remotely like 8%. not bonds, not stocks.	[01:15]
mircea_popescu	then people wonder why everyone, from china to russia, thumbs their noses at the us poverty.	[01:15]
decimation	it is interesting how quickly "women should be able to do anything men can do!!" fliipped into "women must work so that they can afford good schools, low crime neighborhoods, etc"	[01:17]
decimation	the other thing that I found amusing is the completely simultaneous moves in the stock market over the past few years	[01:18]
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decimation	what does it mean when the price of every asset in a marketplace changes simultaneously in the same direction? http://finviz.com/map.ashx	[01:19]
assbot	S&P 500 Map Heatmap ... ( http://bit.ly/1zmM7gj )	[01:19]
decimation	currency manipulation pops to mind...	[01:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24850 @ 0.00060651 = 15.0718 BTC [+]	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	it strictly means price fixing / fraud	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	yup.	[01:21]
BingoBoingo	I dunno, here house prices roughly halved	[01:22]
decimation	;;ticker	[01:22]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 352.51, Best ask: 353.15, Bid-ask spread: 0.64000, Last trade: 353.17, 24 hour volume: 6030.40300770, 24 hour low: 348.22, 24 hour high: 359.3, 24 hour vwap: 354.691207048	[01:22]
BingoBoingo	Here the trend seems to have been if the wife is working each can be paid half	[01:23]
decimation	BingoBoingo: yeah, prices of assets that are outside the bezzle orbit have generally held steady	[01:23]
decimation	BingoBoingo: yeah, the 'de-professionalizing' of the us 'middle class' is a long-run trend	[01:24]
decimation	they used to pay derps to sit in an office and move memos from the in-queue to the out-queue	[01:24]
decimation	they have all been 'laid off' and are now working as shift managers at starbucks or whatever	[01:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2136 @ 0.00060651 = 1.2955 BTC [+]	[01:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3637 @ 0.0006051 = 2.2007 BTC [-]	[01:28]
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thestringpuller	decimation: good shift managers are hard to come by.	[01:29]
decimation	thestringpuller: yeah I might be exaggerating, they might be just plain barristas, or just sitting at home and receiving gov't checks	[01:30]
mircea_popescu	decimation seems more likely they're on reddit.	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	cheaper.	[01:31]
thestringpuller	well, along the lines of "derps managing", usually this results in the franchise being run into the ground	[01:31]
thestringpuller	even if the franchise is in theory a "gold mine"	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	no because they're just as good as anyone else!	[01:31]
thestringpuller	I have a friend who is trying to open a skateboard shop literally 500 feet from the biggest skatepark in the state	[01:31]
thestringpuller	what does he do? He sells drugs in the woods behind it because he isn't competent enough to hire leadership to get the shop open.	[01:32]
decimation	I wonder how many 'franchises' actually make money for anyone other than the 'headquarters'	[01:32]
thestringpuller	instead he says, "You people don't know how this works" in reference to criticism of his poor decision making process.	[01:33]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller the thing with what people "Want to" do is that it's generally just a credible excuse	[01:33]
mircea_popescu	like a linked-in profile.	[01:33]
decimation	thestringpuller: can't he find someone with some credit to get a bezzle loan?	[01:33]
mircea_popescu	they don't by and large even remotely consider doing it. but it sounds cool	[01:33]
thestringpuller	decimation: as mircea_popescu once stated on trilema money is the least of his problems (in fact he is already "bankrolled" from drug dealing). his problem is finding competent people.	[01:34]
mircea_popescu	decimation re making money, there was this lulzy failure of one of romania's cardboard tycoons. he tried to open a franchised 7/11 thing.	[01:34]
thestringpuller	This is similar, imo, to the way ASICMINER has been run into the ground.	[01:34]
mircea_popescu	it crashed and burned so badly o my god.	[01:34]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller quite, yes.	[01:34]
mircea_popescu	irl idiots get forced out of ownership once their company reaches success. in bitcoin, they have to relinquish willingly.	[01:35]
mircea_popescu	generally, they're too stupid to even realise this is an option	[01:35]
BingoBoingo	There's good franchises out there, but the secret is the management/owners have to be managed like the customers	[01:35]
mircea_popescu	let alone that it is their ONLY option.	[01:35]
mircea_popescu	look at dooglus's mishandling of justdice, no need to go further.	[01:35]
BingoBoingo	On the otherhand Subway does great business recruiting Doctors who want a tax writeoff to finance their new locations	[01:36]
mircea_popescu	o that's still going ?!	[01:36]
mircea_popescu	i thought for sure musta been plugged bynow	[01:36]
decimation	BingoBoingo: is that how that works? I wondered why there were subways every 10 feet in the us	[01:36]
BingoBoingo	Yeah, and like every other franchise like that profitable locations are retained as "corporate stores"	[01:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42550 @ 0.00058141 = 24.739 BTC [-] {2}	[01:37]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: irl idiots get forced out of ownership once their company reaches success << this is usually the case, but sometimes idiots can be too dumb to realize they need to step aside in meatspace too.	[01:37]
BingoBoingo	Subway found a demo with money, and... they got shit done. They just had to manage their partners the same way they manage the cattle coming in for the product.	[01:38]
thestringpuller	I suppose in meatspace VC's can forcefully remove the leadership of a company in exchange for more money.	[01:39]
BingoBoingo	thestringpuller: Not VC's, C's	[01:39]
thestringpuller	Like Yishan Wong's "resignation".	[01:40]
decimation	yeah actually the vc/founder relationship is probably alot like subway/franchise 'owner'	[01:40]
decimation	except no one eats	[01:40]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller not at all. look at greenspun'ssad story with arsdigita	[01:41]
mircea_popescu	they just kick the founder out, generally.	[01:41]
BingoBoingo	I thought google had a cafeteria	[01:41]
mircea_popescu	for that matter, look at jobs' midlife crisis.	[01:41]
decimation	I've heard the google benefits are going downhill	[01:41]
mircea_popescu	decimation once i saw those "prosecutions" re wage fixing	[01:41]
mircea_popescu	i figured, "hey, whoever was competing in that market won meanwhile ; doing away with the entire thing"	[01:42]
decimation	yeah that's been quiet for awhile, I think they were going to 'settle' for $2k per person	[01:42]
mircea_popescu	basically, california is dead for tech wage earners coming decade.	[01:42]
mircea_popescu	dumbestthing a kid with college debt could possibly do today is put a downpayment on anything based on his salary / some loan.	[01:42]
BingoBoingo	Yeah	[01:43]
thestringpuller	hah, yet kids are closing on houses.	[01:43]
thestringpuller	Right out of college.	[01:43]
BingoBoingo	The "tech set" needs to rent, cut expenses, and get ready to go to cheaper country	[01:44]
thestringpuller	I had a coworker who bought a car, and is still underwater on the loan. It's like "really"?	[01:44]
mircea_popescu	exactly the things they ridiculously do not wish to do.	[01:44]
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decimation	I wonder how many under-35s in the us actually have a positive net worth?	[01:45]
thestringpuller	!up badon	[01:45]
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mircea_popescu	decimation market value ? or "pretend value" ?	[01:45]
BingoBoingo	It's like how kakobrekla responsibly got a car while goat got an infinite money sink	[01:45]
decimation	heh well I guess market value	[01:45]
mircea_popescu	i doubt anyone whosoever has positive net worth in the us if the stock market goes to its natural level and the bonds turn to the dust they are.	[01:45]
mircea_popescu	maybe some rural guys in west texas etc.	[01:46]
thestringpuller	that is if your wealth is "invested" in the stockmarket	[01:46]
decimation	http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2014/09/04/it-only-takes-10400-to-be-richer-than-most-millennials/ << "It only takes $10,400 to be wealthier than half of millennials (the median) but it takes $75,500 to be richer than millennials on average." lol	[01:46]
assbot	It Only Takes $10,400 to be Richer Than Most Millennials - Real Time Economics - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1qPOfN9 )	[01:46]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller it can't really not be.	[01:46]
mircea_popescu	if it's invested in... i dunno, nubile 19 yo slavegirls which you sell for meat	[01:46]
mircea_popescu	the people buying them still are invested in the stock market.	[01:46]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu why not buy land and put it to use?	[01:46]
mircea_popescu	because land use is hard.	[01:46]
mircea_popescu	not to mention patriarchical and chauvinist.	[01:47]
decimation	yeah, try buying some land and using it for something	[01:47]
BingoBoingo	Probably more people working fast food with positive net worths than in Silicon Valley	[01:47]
mircea_popescu	"if you bought this plot of land you didn't buy this plot of land"	[01:47]
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mircea_popescu	"it belongs to teh people"	[01:47]
decimation	you will find generally at least 3 layers of usg will tell you what you can do on 'your' land	[01:47]
mircea_popescu	"so why did i pay money then ?!"	[01:47]
mircea_popescu	"because you had it"	[01:47]
mircea_popescu	fatlogic, can't be beat.	[01:47]
BingoBoingo	If only because they can't borrow atm	[01:48]
thestringpuller	As yes, I suppose the USG is pretty much the mafia.	[01:48]
thestringpuller	Paying "protection" money.	[01:48]
thestringpuller	not as organized tho.	[01:48]
BingoBoingo	thestringpuller: They are the mafia if Fredo was given reigns over the family	[01:48]
mircea_popescu	lol that	[01:48]
decimation	it's pretty common in most lefty urban areas of the us to pay >2% per year in 'property tax'	[01:49]
decimation	at least in london you can 'lease' an estate from the crown for 1000 years, not 50	[01:50]
thestringpuller	lefty urban areas == hipsterland	[01:51]
badon	hi thestringpuller	[01:51]
BingoBoingo	Farmland in the US is less bullshit for owners since they usually lease it.	[01:53]
BingoBoingo	To the people who farm on it.	[01:54]
decimation	BingoBoingo: and of course the farmers are paid by usg to farm or not	[01:54]
BingoBoingo	decimation: Right.	[01:54]
BingoBoingo	It's a tower of rentseeking	[01:55]
badon	"bought the farm" is an idiom for death in the USA.	[01:56]
badon	There is no such thing as private land ownership in jurisdictions that tax ownership of land.	[01:56]
badon	tax = rent	[01:56]
BingoBoingo	I haven't heard it and I'm in the US surrounded by farms	[01:56]
badon	BingoBoingo: Haven't heard of what?	[01:57]
BingoBoingo	"bought the farm" I mean maybe I've heard it, but it isn't too common	[01:57]
decimation	yeah "bought the farm" is generally an aviation expression	[01:57]
badon	https://www.google.com/search?q=%22bought+the+farm%22+death	[01:57]
assbot	"bought the farm" death - Google Search ... ( http://bit.ly/1qPPYlz )	[01:57]
decimation	my understanding is that the price of agricultural land has been rising due to the influx of wall st. money	[01:59]
badon	"bought the farm" became a euphemism for death after farmland seizures by the government and banks during the USA's Great Depression. The seizures led to food price increases and starvation. When the government tried to undo the damage they caused by reselling the farms, no one wanted to buy them.	[02:01]
badon	So, the government started doing other things to encourage farmers to farm without making them fear losing their livelihood if they have a bad crop or experience a depression.	[02:02]
badon	That's important USA history that is not in USA history books.	[02:03]
badon	bbl	[02:03]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.00057296 = 9.5684 BTC [-] {2}	[02:08]
*	asciilifeform random derps on the tumblrs << misread as 'on the tumbrils'	[02:11]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.12786714 = 3.836 BTC [+] {3}	[02:12]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 3170 @ 0.0012 = 3.804 BTC	[02:18]
asciilifeform	http://americandigest.org/aaa1079cklarge-drone-assassina.jpg	[02:26]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/135i8xM )	[02:26]
asciilifeform	(from a larger loltron, http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/2013_02.php )	[02:26]
assbot	AMERICAN DIGEST: February 2013 Archives ... ( http://bit.ly/135ibJK )	[02:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5361 @ 0.00058931 = 3.1593 BTC [+]	[02:29]
mircea_popescu	soo... argentines are about to set fire to the town AGAIN	[02:29]
mircea_popescu	2nd time this week.	[02:29]
mircea_popescu	there's like... people on top of people on top of buses.	[02:29]
mircea_popescu	i have nfi what they're so excited about, at 3am	[02:29]
BingoBoingo	Probably a local club won a game again.	[02:31]
BingoBoingo	Losing fans generally lack the energy to burn the world	[02:31]
mircea_popescu	i guess it must have.	[02:32]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31600 @ 0.0006126 = 19.3582 BTC [+] {4}	[02:42]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: ransomware article << funny thing, i have plenty of windows boxen, emulators, vm, etc. they are used for the purpose for which they work best: running crapware.	[02:42]
ben_vulpes	It would be interesting if a large portion of humanity couldn't make it to the year 300 because even the corn became diabetic. << counting from what now?	[02:42]
BingoBoingo	ben_vulpes: A.S. 300 Anno Satoshi	[02:43]
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ben_vulpes	:D	[02:43]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: I don't really know many people who don't	[02:43]
asciilifeform	who don't what ?	[02:44]
asciilifeform	i had none at all before taking up my present line of work.	[02:44]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Have some sort of windows install for crapware. Maybe not for archeological purposes, but everyone with a Windows box seems to use it for the purpose of running crapware. They just aren't usually aware of it.	[02:45]
asciilifeform	'you may not take an interest in war but war is certainly interested in you'	[02:45]
ben_vulpes	instead he says, "You people don't know how this works" in reference to criticism of his poor decision making process. << thestringpuller clearly doesn't understand how the world works	[02:46]
ben_vulpes	also, one does not hire leadership.	[02:46]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes: A.S. 300 Anno Satoshi << can it be 300 ass ?	[02:47]
mircea_popescu	as opposed to as ?	[02:47]
mircea_popescu	brilliant idea otherwise.	[02:47]
BingoBoingo	A.SS it is	[02:47]
ben_vulpes	leastaways i've yet to see that work out for anyone. more often than not hiring leadership is a cover for the sharks to move in and kick founding teams out.	[02:47]
asciilifeform	piss-poor year zero.	[02:47]
ben_vulpes	frequently deservedly, but nevertheless.	[02:47]
asciilifeform	i'll wait for usg nuremberg.	[02:47]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you know ad is from the birth of christ	[02:48]
asciilifeform	ad yes	[02:48]
mircea_popescu	not from rebirth.	[02:48]
asciilifeform	as	[02:48]
asciilifeform	eh.	[02:48]
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ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-10-2014#886771 << re: ass	[02:50]
assbot	Logged on 22-10-2014 00:43:32; ben_vulpes: can we start counting in years since the first coinbase yet?	[02:50]
mircea_popescu	aha	[02:51]
ben_vulpes	handy, this public record.	[02:51]
mircea_popescu	mhm	[02:52]
fluffypony	almost like a "log" of sorts	[02:52]
fluffypony	where you can go back and check on things	[02:52]
fluffypony	whatever will they think of next	[02:53]
mircea_popescu	it totally keeps track of discussions and ideas and everything	[02:53]
ben_vulpes	o wow one can do all that too?	[02:53]
fluffypony	think of it as stone tablets	[02:53]
fluffypony	but someone is chiseling every conversation we have here	[02:54]
fluffypony	and there's another guy who will go retrieve older stone tablets on your request	[02:54]
ben_vulpes	I had a coworker who bought a car, and is still underwater on the loan. It's like "really"? << when are car loans not ever underwater?	[02:54]
asciilifeform	^	[02:54]
mircea_popescu	right. consumer credit works on that principle.	[02:55]
asciilifeform	think car loan is a scam? try food loan.	[02:55]
asciilifeform	product turns to shit every time!	[02:55]
asciilifeform	sc4mz0rz.	[02:55]
fluffypony	lol	[02:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19089 @ 0.00061722 = 11.7821 BTC [+] {2}	[02:55]
mircea_popescu	wait wut	[02:55]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes was speaking of the well-known fact that a new car in usa loses around a fifth of its market value when driven off the merchant lot	[02:56]
asciilifeform	this is a tell-tale bezzle bell	[02:56]
asciilifeform	for certain especially perverse goods (e.g. diamond rings) it's ~90% iirc	[02:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00062388 = 6.0204 BTC [+]	[02:57]
ben_vulpes	hah well	[02:57]
ben_vulpes	first one'd have to pay more than the gold is worth	[02:57]
asciilifeform	to 'devil's advocate' - driving the car off the lot turns it into another class of machine entirely.	[02:58]
asciilifeform	see the 'provenance' discussion.	[02:59]
asciilifeform	(re: eotvos experiment)	[02:59]
ben_vulpes	i got away with a "filigree" piece - 90% air anyways	[02:59]
asciilifeform	wai wat	[02:59]
asciilifeform	in your car?	[02:59]
ben_vulpes	no on lady v's finger	[02:59]
asciilifeform	l0l	[02:59]
*	asciilifeform has not, does not, will not - own rings	[02:59]
asciilifeform	woman - also	[02:59]
asciilifeform	rings bring mutilation and death to the chemical, electrical, mechanical experimenter.	[03:00]
ben_vulpes	i like to piss on my bushes	[03:00]
ben_vulpes	different strokes	[03:00]
asciilifeform	piss on my bushes << electric fence in bushes ?	[03:01]
*	asciilifeform unfamiliar with expression	[03:01]
ben_vulpes	a reference to territory marking.	[03:02]
asciilifeform	lol, ring has your coat of arms on it?	[03:02]
ben_vulpes	"a collar by any other name..."	[03:02]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: this is really such a mystery to you?	[03:03]
*	asciilifeform recalls one of the folks at mircea_popescu's party having collar	[03:03]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: not so much the custom of rings being a mystery, but how it marks the territory as being yours in particular, to the naked eye	[03:03]
ben_vulpes	how does a fence mark the land as belonging to any particular man?	[03:04]
asciilifeform	it doesn't	[03:04]
ben_vulpes	and the message it sends?	[03:04]
BingoBoingo	What voltage does the fence have?	[03:04]
ben_vulpes	at least in these parts "cross me and get shot".	[03:04]
asciilifeform	'survivors will be shot again!'	[03:05]
ben_vulpes	i don't leave survivors.	[03:05]
ben_vulpes	more accurately, the roboturrets don't miss.	[03:07]
BingoBoingo	Any updates from down under on their brush with IStralia?	[03:14]
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mircea_popescu	woman - also << nose rings can be useful :D	[03:34]
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*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 5 16:58:12 2014	[09:23]
-assbot-	Welcome to #bitcoin-assets. To get voice (ie, to be able to speak), first identify with gribble and then send "!up" to assbot in a private message. If you do not have a WoT account, try politely asking one of the voiced people for a temporary pass.	[09:24]
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mircea_popescu	!up Rory_	[09:58]
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davout	mircea_popescu: seems like the welcome-ddos is another barrier to entry	[10:13]
mircea_popescu	hehe.	[10:13]
mircea_popescu	pretty cool huh.	[10:13]
davout	also you can't avoid it from webchat	[10:14]
davout	since the cloaking doesn't work	[10:14]
mircea_popescu	it does ?	[10:15]
davout	try to get cloaked from webchat, at first it works, but then some freenode bot instantly removes it	[10:16]
mircea_popescu	o.O	[10:16]
mircea_popescu	that's pretty stupid.	[10:16]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29500 @ 0.00056436 = 16.6486 BTC [-]	[10:16]
cazalla	shit is heating up here, media won't show the videos from IS	[10:24]
cazalla	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AxN0Yvt_yE for example	[10:24]
mircea_popescu	lol put it up.	[10:24]
assbot	ISIS demands in sydney through hostage - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1yTO5Ha )	[10:24]
mircea_popescu	ah it's on youtube nm	[10:24]
cazalla	yeah it's everywhere except TV, so it's nowhere according to TV lol	[10:25]
mircea_popescu	yeah, because tv really matters o.O	[10:25]
mircea_popescu	so is the statal bureaucrat going to break down and actually GASP talk to someone outside of the venues the state controls ?	[10:26]
mircea_popescu	or is he going to pretend like he gives a shit about anything but his fantasy ?	[10:26]
mircea_popescu	pretty big deal this, imo.	[10:26]
mircea_popescu	australian prime minister basically is admitting de facto that a) he stands for a lie and b) he's too stupid to be able to argue for it persuasively.	[10:27]
mircea_popescu	his case is unexceptional. obama couldn't argue why the usg should even exist either.	[10:27]
cazalla	he won't talk to em, not a chance, heads are gonna roll either way by looks of it	[10:27]
mircea_popescu	pretty cool imo.	[10:28]
mircea_popescu	this point needs to be made, and made often and made well.	[10:28]
mircea_popescu	"democratically elected representatives" are not only dumb as rocks, but fundamentally unrepresentative.	[10:28]
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cazalla	well, you were right about the landwhales lol http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=32f_1418647768	[10:40]
assbot	LiveLeak.com - Sydney Siege Hostage Demands (Video 4) ... ( http://bit.ly/1yTR2aS )	[10:40]
cazalla	srs though, can't be that dedicated to the cause if he didn't even have his own flag	[10:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31600 @ 0.00060235 = 19.0343 BTC [+] {2}	[10:48]
cazalla	apparently this is the dude http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheikh_Haron	[10:52]
assbot	Sheikh Haron - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1yTT8aH )	[10:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57311 @ 0.00058158 = 33.3309 BTC [-]	[10:56]
mircea_popescu	halfassed terrorist holds a bunch of fatasses hostage ?	[11:00]
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cazalla	looks somewhat halfassed, arrested for sending angry letters previously, guess that is to far a jump to heads on pikes	[11:05]
mircea_popescu	"and was later verified by media (with permission from the authorities)"	[11:05]
mircea_popescu	dude srsly ?	[11:05]
cazalla	yeah, sad eh	[11:05]
mircea_popescu	myeah.	[11:05]
cazalla	if this guy gets out of it alive, he has a future in viral marketing on social media	[11:05]
mircea_popescu	why would i want to read a "press" that publishes by permission ?	[11:05]
mircea_popescu	lol	[11:05]
mircea_popescu	every social reject from every mechanism and circumstance has the same future in viral marketing.	[11:05]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile on the other side of internet lol, http://pastebin.com/rHSu3iPi	[11:07]
assbot	I'm homeless indian junkie. I'm accepting Bitcoin donations to buy crack for me - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1yTVYwv )	[11:07]
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cazalla	"Sent from my iPhone"	[11:13]
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mircea_popescu	that a good thing ?	[11:14]
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thestringpuller	dunno why a homeless person addicted to crack would have an iPhone...	[11:16]
thestringpuller	or how for that matter	[11:16]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1948 @ 0.00060124 = 1.1712 BTC [+]	[11:16]
cazalla	looks like that was used for Preet Bharara	[11:17]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller internet derp being what he imagines is sarcastic.	[11:18]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22400 @ 0.00060687 = 13.5939 BTC [+] {2}	[11:18]
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mircea_popescu	get a cloak Rory_	[11:21]
cazalla	i wonder if it's a psychological tactic to release his name at this time, maybe he feels media gives him recognition and being tired, is content with that and gives up	[11:22]
mircea_popescu	the way this guy cuts down on all the dumb idlers that imagine whatever, b-a is just another channel, can autopilot in is so fucking great srlsy.	[11:22]
cazalla	barely noticed tbh	[11:23]
mircea_popescu	shit sherlock	[11:24]
mircea_popescu	https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net	[11:24]
assbot	Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast	[11:24]
cardigm	cazalla chiral copumpkin Cory CryptoGoon Crypton CryptOprah	[11:24]
cardigm	cazalla chiral copumpkin Cory CryptoGoon Crypton CryptOprah	[11:24]
mircea_popescu	you seen that c?	[11:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22100 @ 0.00060931 = 13.4658 BTC [+]	[11:24]
mircea_popescu	larger than the previous peak.	[11:25]
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cazalla	well, that's not bad	[11:25]
mircea_popescu	by a good 50%	[11:25]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: thank reddit	[11:25]
mircea_popescu	oh ?	[11:26]
cazalla	yeah, a qntra post was like #4 or something on reddit earlier	[11:26]
thestringpuller	qntra was on front page of /r/bitcoin	[11:26]
cazalla	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2p9ctz/ford_motor_company_bitcoin_a_trend_for_2015/	[11:26]
thestringpuller	to quote "I came for the bunny" so you should actually be thanking cazalla 's bunny	[11:26]
assbot	Ford Motor Company: Bitcoin A Trend For 2015 : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1GHCSsy )	[11:26]
mircea_popescu	o ic	[11:26]
cazalla	not bad considering i was drunk at the time, just ask BingoBoingo	[11:27]
mircea_popescu	lol	[11:27]
mircea_popescu	funny enoughy, awstats doesn't see the same sort of jumps	[11:27]
mircea_popescu	i think part of this might be that most of qntra stable readership are computer savvy folks and so invisible,	[11:28]
mircea_popescu	but whenever reddit or whoever pours in, there's a huge upsurge in traffic visible for quantcast.	[11:28]
cazalla	wouldn't it be other way around? savvy reader blocks quantcast code, hit still reg in webserver stats?	[11:28]
mircea_popescu	exactly.	[11:29]
cazalla	who are all these asians though	[11:29]
mircea_popescu	awstats average is like 6-700, yest 1.3k	[11:29]
mircea_popescu	quantcast is more like 50-200, yest 2.7k	[11:29]
mircea_popescu	anyways, nice going. it's fun to have the ath yest.	[11:30]
cazalla	nb considering things have been slow past week, i would expect things to crawl over xmas period too	[11:31]
mircea_popescu	me too yeah	[11:31]
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thestringpuller	cazalla: well given BingoBoingo's prevention of shitware piece, maybe more non-time-sensitive pieces?	[11:57]
davout	!t x.eur	[11:58]
assbot	You had the last Philistine. This one's mine.	[11:58]
cazalla	thestringpuller, yeah, those articles are good for the weekend	[11:58]
thestringpuller	!t m x.eur	[11:58]
assbot	[MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00350937 / 0.00353359 / 0.0035368 (449 shares, 1.59 BTC), 7D: 0.00341302 / 0.00349125 / 0.00355121 (2207 shares, 7.71 BTC), 30D: 0.00321492 / 0.00337825 / 0.00355121 (6434 shares, 21.74 BTC)	[11:58]
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cazalla	i'm off anyway, zzz	[11:58]
thestringpuller	night mang	[11:58]
davout	thestringpuller: ah thx	[11:58]
mircea_popescu	!up ug_	[11:58]
thestringpuller	see you in a few hours	[11:58]
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mircea_popescu	he doesn't really sleep much does he.	[11:58]
davout	mircea_popescu: x.eur plox	[11:58]
thestringpuller	does anyone sleep that much in this channel?	[11:59]
mircea_popescu	i guess not o.O	[11:59]
mircea_popescu	davout will happen today :)	[11:59]
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davout	mircea_popescu: so, why does it not make sense according to you that x.eur could trade continuously?	[12:00]
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mircea_popescu	because old and new contracts hafta be distinguished.	[12:00]
mircea_popescu	and because downstream providers & brokers need a settlement spot	[12:00]
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davout	mircea_popescu: old and new can be distinguished by the current timestamp, after cutoff all "old" contracts turn into "new"	[12:03]
davout	could you elaborate on the settlement spot ?	[12:04]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: is this why there were options appended with T and N	[12:04]
mircea_popescu	basically, we're cheating by using a singlke name for different instruments.	[12:04]
thestringpuller	N's would eventually turn into T's	[12:04]
mircea_popescu	this works ok if therer's some time separation.	[12:04]
davout	because the way i see it, it could perfectly make sense to say "if you want delivery, email me before cutoff minus 24h, push the asset, email receipt, and you get delivered on the settlement date"	[12:05]
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mircea_popescu	anyway, you'll get the new set later today, nottin' to get too excited about.	[12:05]
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davout	i could understand the "it's actually two different assets" point if at some point you had to sell the old one and buy the new one	[12:06]
mircea_popescu	i can see people doing that.	[12:07]
davout	if one automatically turns into the other one at some point they sure look like the same to me	[12:07]
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mircea_popescu	this arguing by simple restatement of one's position is uninteresting.	[12:09]
davout	i guess that what i'm trying to clear up is the question: "why do you want to distinguish them?"	[12:10]
mircea_popescu	because they are actually different things.	[12:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13750 @ 0.00061138 = 8.4065 BTC [+] {2}	[12:13]
davout	well, just because two dollar bills have a different serial number doesn't make it very useful to distinguish them, likewise it does not seem very useful to me to want to distinguish between these, maybe it's just me but i don't see what problem this solves	[12:16]
mircea_popescu	but these aren't two dollar bills. one is a dollar bill of your paycheck today. the other is a dollar bill of your paycheck next month. they aren't fungible.	[12:17]
davout	absolutely, but at any point of time there can't be only a single contract type trading, unlike what i understand from the usual future contracts where at some point both contracts are trading simultaneously	[12:18]
mircea_popescu	yeah well, the time granularity here is closer to the day than to the second	[12:22]
davout	from what i understand, it's usually the case that the N and N+1 contracts trade simultaneously during a few days at least	[12:23]
mircea_popescu	if they're specially denominated, yeah.	[12:24]
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TomServo	Wow. 1USD = 60.5RUB.	[12:46]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 4008 @ 0.0012 = 4.8096 BTC	[12:53]
mircea_popescu	nuts.	[12:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1000 @ 0.0012 = 1.2 BTC	[12:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42200 @ 0.00061248 = 25.8467 BTC [+] {2}	[13:11]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1700 @ 0.0012 = 2.04 BTC	[13:12]
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asciilifeform	at first it works, but then some freenode bot instantly removes it << wtf is the deal with the 'cloaking' thing anyway. why the idiocy of displaying ip by default ?	[13:24]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you don't understand how the world works!1111!!	[13:25]
mircea_popescu	they're just clueless idiots.	[13:25]
asciilifeform	apparently not	[13:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00060931 = 8.3475 BTC [-]	[13:25]
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ben_vulpes	the way this guy cuts down on all the dumb idlers that imagine whatever, b-a is just another channel, can autopilot in is so fucking great srlsy. << too strong of a noob filter imho. more spport for the casuals!	[13:27]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes if they're actively trying to stick, they can triviallydo so.	[13:28]
mircea_popescu	if they just wantr to idle in 500 "bitcoin related" channels fuck them.	[13:28]
thestringpuller	go to #freenode "Hey can I have cloak"	[13:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37750 @ 0.0006108 = 23.0577 BTC [+] {2}	[13:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00060307 = 2.2314 BTC [-]	[13:36]
rithm	"can i haz cloak" makes it happen faster	[13:37]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 2277 @ 0.0012 = 2.7324 BTC	[13:51]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 4300 @ 0.0012 = 5.16 BTC	[13:55]
davout	mircea_popescu: mpex seems half-down	[13:55]
davout	n/a everywhere	[13:55]
mircea_popescu	workin' on it.	[13:56]
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empyex	jurov: Proxies: mpex.ws mpex.bz mpex.co mpex.biz mpex.coinbr.com Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91	[14:05]
empyex	jurov: MPEx-Status: mpex.bz (5108 milliseconds), mpex.biz (5108 milliseconds), mpex.co (5120 milliseconds), mpex.ws (5230 milliseconds), mpex.coinbr.com (5505 milliseconds)	[14:06]
empyex	jurov: Health-Indicators: Homepage: √ MK Depth JSON: √ VWAP JSON: √	[14:06]
davout	jurov: the patient is dead but the heart monitor self-test reports 100% success phew	[14:07]
kakobrekla	ah yes, the ping machine!	[14:09]
kakobrekla	;;google machine that goes ping	[14:09]
gribble	Monty Python - Hospital Sketch - YouTube: ; The Meaning of Life (1983) - Quotes - IMDb: ; Monty Python's The Meaning of Life - Wikiquote:	[14:09]
mircea_popescu	davout lol well, they have a split issue. the proxies are online, just... no data.	[14:13]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1670 @ 0.0012 = 2.004 BTC	[14:28]
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asciilifeform	;;later tell kakobrekla when you measured the 1+gb/sec or whatever of ddos, didja log incoming packets ?	[14:40]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[14:40]
kakobrekla	asciilifeform nope.	[14:45]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: if you can be bothered, try the experiment again, with tcpdump log. and post or send privately (i only need packet payloads and originator ip)	[14:47]
asciilifeform	no rush.	[14:47]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: example >> http://www.loper-os.org/pub/flood.txt.gz	[14:48]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1svN0DW )	[14:48]
asciilifeform	https://ssdpscan.shadowserver.org	[14:58]
assbot	The Shadowserver Foundation: Simple Service Discovery Protocol (SSDP) Scanning Project ... ( http://bit.ly/1svOj5H )	[14:58]
asciilifeform	interestingly, they do not publish the ips, but did post this graphic: https://ssdpscan.shadowserver.org/all/ssdp_hilbert_4096_current.png << from which you can easily derive them!	[14:59]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1svOluw )	[14:59]
asciilifeform	^ exercise for alert reader	[14:59]
asciilifeform	http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:JOOtTeT-uH4J:www.hackforums.net/showthread.php%3Ftid%3D4502619+&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us	[15:02]
assbot	Free C SSDP attack script + scanner, don't get scammed! - Page 1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1svP3Yx )	[15:02]
asciilifeform	^ mega-lol re: idiots	[15:03]
davout	mircea_popescu: so you're using mysqlol on the proxies	[15:06]
asciilifeform	http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:L1ay4bsEJyIJ:www.hackforums.net/showthread.php%3Ftid%3D4427786+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us << from same snakepit, explanation for the thickest	[15:06]
assbot	SSDP Amplification Vector Explain [Attack Script & Scanner included] + a GIFT - Page 1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1svQ6YH )	[15:06]
davout	X.EUR December statement : http://fr.anco.is/2014/12/15/x-eur-december-15th-2014-statement/	[15:09]
assbot	X.EUR December 15th 2014 statement \| fr.anco.is ... ( http://bit.ly/1svQXbQ )	[15:09]
davout	asset transfers will happen when MPEx gets back	[15:09]
davout	which is apparently now	[15:11]
scoopbot	New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/teenage-boys-the-premier-source-of-comedy-gold/	[15:12]
kakobrekla	asciilifeform port 80 only?	[15:13]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: nah, originating from 1900	[15:13]
asciilifeform	destination may vary.	[15:13]
asciilifeform	for the impatient: the way this particular type of ddos works is called 'amplification.' certain kinds of misconfigured consumer routers will send several packets to victim ip for every packet received from the diddler's. hence amp.	[15:15]
asciilifeform	ddos aficionados scan the net for these boxes, and then sell (or sometimes simply post) the resulting chump list	[15:16]
asciilifeform	once posted in the open, the chumps begin to get 'overgrazed'	[15:16]
asciilifeform	and new ones are required.	[15:16]
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kakobrekla	yes but incoming is 80	[15:28]
kakobrekla	recording now, unable to access the box for the while	[15:28]
kakobrekla	(this is hitting 4 poor arm cores)	[15:29]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: grab as many as you can. no hurry.	[15:31]
kakobrekla	250mb log atm	[15:42]
kakobrekla	seems to be dying off	[15:43]
Anduck	.deeds	[15:48]
Anduck	where's deeds?	[15:48]
ben_vulpes	ask punkman. nominally some progress was to be made this weekend.	[15:53]
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kakobrekla	asciilifeform see link in pm.	[16:21]
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BingoBoingo	http://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net/msg06583.html	[16:34]
assbot	[Bitcoin-development] Recent EvalScript() changes mean CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY can't be merged ... ( http://bit.ly/12X0IU5 )	[16:34]
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ben_vulpes	lordy	[16:47]
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BingoBoingo	!up t4nk	[17:21]
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kakobrekla	lol	[17:34]
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BingoBoingo	https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/7/7c/Breedism.jpg	[17:49]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1qT1ahc )	[17:49]
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jurov	http://www.boredpanda.com/1000-colours-color-jigsaw-puzzle-clemens-habicht/ my ass	[17:53]
assbot	1000-Piece CMYK Color Gamut Jigsaw Puzzle By Designer Clemens Habicht \| Bored Panda ... ( http://bit.ly/1qT27pS )	[17:53]
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mats	don't worry BingoBoingo, trainers will lower requirements so the chihuahuas can graduate	[17:56]
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mats	its already been done for chihuahuas going through Airborne and Air Assault school	[18:01]
thestringpuller	!up BlueMeanie4	[18:01]
mats	but, hey, israel allows chihuahuas to serve in their infantry units!!!	[18:02]
BingoBoingo	lol	[18:03]
asciilifeform	http://wurmhoudt.blogspot.com/2012/08/anti-tank-dogs.html << chihuahua could work just as well in this job.	[18:04]
assbot	Mr Boot's Axis Blog: Anti-tank Dogs ... ( http://bit.ly/1qT4by4 )	[18:04]
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BingoBoingo	Depends on the size of the payload the tank demands	[18:05]
mats	heart dun mean shit when you've got to march 20mi in a 30 pound iotv, with a 45 pound pack, and 15 pounds of weapon and magazine	[18:05]
cazalla	i am happy to report Australia is safe once again, apparently mr i forgot my isis flag guy fell asleep, hostages ran out and woke him, he started blasting and cops 360 no scoped him	[18:06]
mats	such discipline	[18:08]
adlai	mother should i trust the government	[18:16]
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kakobrekla	ok so assbot will now warn you bout ddos only if you have a dot in you host	[18:29]
kakobrekla	if you get the msg, yer phucked	[18:29]
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thestringpuller	"We choose to bitcoin company in the bitcoin way" - some derp CEO of some coinderp company. These quotes are getting ridiculous.	[18:32]
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kakobrekla	lol ok	[18:33]
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mats	verb everything	[18:47]
BingoBoingo	I liked assbot PM though. Made it easy to say !up while typing less	[18:50]
kakobrekla	:(	[18:51]
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BingoBoingo	Well, maybe if host doesn't have a dot assbot can greet people with joke?	[18:53]
jborkl	heh, yeah	[18:53]
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kakobrekla	i installed a personalized msg for bb.	[18:55]
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BingoBoingo	Cool	[19:00]
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BingoBoingo	Thank you kakobrekla http://cdn3.volusion.com/74gtv.tjme9/v/vspfiles/photos/Delicious%20Dozen-1.jpg	[19:02]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1AA42PX )	[19:02]
kakobrekla	lol	[19:03]
kakobrekla	yw !	[19:03]
mats	would you make it three dots?	[19:03]
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kakobrekla	cant you put cloak on top of that?	[19:05]
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jurov	argh, every github hipster now wires travis ci to their project	[19:13]
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jurov	btw, i was invited to coinmate.io	[19:15]
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jurov	later read it as co.inmate, had double take	[19:15]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 8000 @ 0.0012 = 9.6 BTC	[19:15]
kakobrekla	>Dear clients,	[19:16]
kakobrekla	we sincerely apologize but our site was under a massive Distributed Denial of Service attack. We have reconfigured our servers for full protection by one of the world's best DDOS protection providers, so there will not be any downtime in the future. Our service has now world-class security.	[19:16]
kakobrekla	lolok	[19:16]
BingoBoingo	Is .inmate a tld yet?	[19:19]
jurov	i'd prefer .зэк	[19:21]
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jurov	already i got into argument with these coinmates.. since their czech ass is close to eurozone and they offer sepa/czk	[19:23]
jurov	so i asked them about the calculator instead of just saying go to xe.com	[19:24]
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jurov	"nooo that would be difficult"	[19:24]
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jurov	and "but most of our customers are muricans"	[19:26]
jurov	i was like wtf how they imagine offering usd coupon codes to muricans when everyone else was forced to stop doing it	[19:27]
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jurov	co.inmates, indeed	[19:27]
BingoBoingo	What the fuck. "I am near you would like to be customer" "Fuck you, our customers are Americans so we can scam them with impunity"	[19:27]
jborkl	heh, too hard to scrape exchange rate and divide by BTC	[19:28]
jurov	slight correction: they don't open accounts for USians they only said to me "our customers use usd" .. i just misextrapolated	[19:34]
BingoBoingo	Ah	[19:34]
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mats	nah a cloak won't take precedence over the irccloud one	[19:41]
kakobrekla	sure it will	[19:42]
mats	freenode staff disagrees	[19:42]
kakobrekla	freenode staff can also dehash hashes	[19:43]
mats	i almost started a fire just now bc some extension cable started melting when i hooked up a space heater	[19:44]
mats	wouldn't have noticed if i hadn't went to poop	[19:44]
kakobrekla	your ass saved your ass	[19:45]
BingoBoingo	mats: You are now qualified to operate BTC mine	[19:45]
BingoBoingo	By virtue of Ass luck	[19:45]
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scoopbot	New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/12/ophionlocker-latest-ransomware-which-is-spread-via-ad-networks/	[19:48]
mats	im getting high on plastic fumes	[19:48]
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jurov	http://www.zelpage.cz/news_n/zssk_aeer_nove_wc.jpg someone who projected this toilet prolly got some fumes, too	[19:53]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1yVHBHZ )	[19:53]
jurov	(it's our incumbent railways reaction to competition)	[19:53]
adlai	mpex web-side totally fucked eh	[19:56]
jurov	i remember we talked with mircea about more direct access, he was like "nah, not needed anymore, we have it covered"	[19:57]
kakobrekla	!s s.nsa november	[19:58]
assbot	3 results for 's.nsa november' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=s.nsa+november	[19:58]
jurov	remember,remember	[19:59]
kakobrekla	mats it seem they are right this time. dik, get a real client or smth.	[20:00]
adlai	good thing the chart scraper was turned off, it would've captured a cartload of horseshit	[20:05]
kakobrekla	you horse shit can be turned into btc	[20:07]
kakobrekla	your	[20:07]
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thestringpuller	asciilifeform: http://i.imgur.com/5koAv3H.jpg	[20:09]
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mircea_popescu	omg all teh hate.	[20:14]
mircea_popescu	anyway, dumbass proxies desynced and started running around topless in the dc.	[20:14]
jurov	https://i.imgur.com/k3odZjv.jpg also	[20:14]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1wBY94k )	[20:14]
jurov	mircea_popescu: photos or gtfo	[20:15]
asciilifeform	thestringpuller: famous	[20:15]
adlai	to celebrate mpoe coming back up: https://vid.me/pYV4	[20:17]
assbot	The MPEx Shuffle - vidme ... ( http://bit.ly/1wBYQL8 )	[20:17]
mircea_popescu	"The #4890 pull-req in question had no ACKs at all, and only two untested utACKS, which I find worrying for something that made significant consensus critical code changes." via BingoBoingo	[20:17]
mircea_popescu	basically, shit only goes one way.	[20:17]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Courtesy of Peter Todd	[20:18]
jurov	yup for mpex	[20:18]
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mircea_popescu	adlai aww i cxan not see it	[20:19]
mircea_popescu	whai can it not be a gif	[20:19]
adlai	can this ffmpex thing make gifs	[20:20]
mircea_popescu	ffmpeg ? yes.	[20:20]
mircea_popescu	"apparently mr i forgot my isis flag guy fell asleep" << ahahaha epic	[20:20]
mircea_popescu	"i was gonna do thinks with my gun... but then i got tired... then i got tired... and fell asleep"	[20:21]
mircea_popescu	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeYsTmIzjkw << my humble proposal for a isis.oz anthem	[20:21]
assbot	Afroman - Because I Got High - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1wC03lx )	[20:21]
BingoBoingo	I really think it is irresponsible the dude didn't bring some serious stimulants with him. I mean the police get to have shift changes.	[20:22]
*	adlai tries with convert, let's see how bad the RAMrape gets	[20:22]
mircea_popescu	you just do ffmpeg -o fuck.gif or some shit	[20:23]
mircea_popescu	im bashing the kako ass ass comment.	[20:26]
adlai	fuck, gif is 3mb and counting	[20:33]
adlai	why does convert need 5G ram to build a 4M file. somebody didn't read knuth?	[20:34]
mircea_popescu	sounds like http://trilema.com/2014/ubuntu-is-a-worse-piece-of-shit-than-ms-dos-ever-was/	[20:37]
assbot	Ubuntu is a worse piece of shit than MS-DOS ever was. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1wbmC1Q )	[20:37]
BingoBoingo	adlai: Everyone talks about Knuth, but no one reads Knuth.	[20:37]
asciilifeform	'no one' lol.	[20:39]
undata	mircea_popescu: there's "ionice" which might help those cases	[20:44]
undata	not that I dispute ubuntu being a steaming pile	[20:45]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 4210 @ 0.0012 = 5.052 BTC	[20:50]
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BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: noone for values such that of people who claim to have, finding actual readers is still a hard problem. Not an actual 0.	[21:13]
decimation	asciilifeform: that internet-wide scanner is neat	[21:28]
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decimation	.зэк would be a great tld	[21:32]
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mircea_popescu	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYMRjnM6j6w	[21:33]
assbot	Monty Python's - Johann Gambolputty - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/16oUaQg )	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	THAT shouldbe a tld.	[21:33]
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decimation	so I guess the democratic police in sydney nearly succeeded in saving all the hostages	[21:40]
mircea_popescu	lol	[21:51]
cazalla	decimation, they saved themselves, nearly all escaped before the cops even went in	[22:01]
cazalla	if the law permitted us to carry weapons, would've ended much sooner as well	[22:02]
[]bot	Bet placed: 5 BTC for No on "Billion dollar bet?" http://bitbet.us/bet/1047/ Odds: 14(Y):86(N) by coin, 17(Y):83(N) by weight. Total bet: 15.21715114 BTC. Current weight: 46,538.	[22:03]
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asciilifeform	what threadbare log.	[22:06]
asciilifeform	from the department of nyooz yoo can yooze - kakobrekla provided data from which we learn that ddos man has switched from ssdp to ntp 'amplification' attack (see literature.)	[22:07]
cazalla	and it's that bullshit law which enables mohammed to hold down a chocolate shop for almost 24 hours.. the gov actually enabled him to do better than he could if the playing field was level	[22:07]
asciilifeform	same principles apply to ntp flooding as earlier ssdp - anyone who wishes can 'walk away with' the 'bots'.	[22:08]
asciilifeform	the machines in question are not 'pwned' in the conventional, permanent sense	[22:08]
asciilifeform	they answer to any fool who can send some spoofed packets.	[22:08]
mircea_popescu	no, just ntp is a braindamaged protocol	[22:08]
mircea_popescu	the world would be so much better if all the gmaxwells of this world were never taught to read.	[22:09]
asciilifeform	all of the 'amplification' tricks rely on the ability to send (and see them routed) packets with spoofed origin ip.	[22:09]
asciilifeform	this in turn is fundamental braindamage baked into a good chunk of the net.	[22:09]
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asciilifeform	great many places have no 'ingress filtering'	[22:11]
mircea_popescu	there's nothing wrong with declaring your ip	[22:11]
asciilifeform	this is something else	[22:11]
mircea_popescu	there IS something wrong to treating packets like fucking popcorn.	[22:11]
asciilifeform	packets claiming to be from inside your net should not be able to enter it from outside.	[22:11]
mircea_popescu	sure.	[22:12]
asciilifeform	http://www.bcp38.info/index.php/Main_Page << summary	[22:12]
mircea_popescu	not trivial to know where a packet enters tho. they do have to traverse it anyway	[22:12]
assbot	BCP38 ... ( http://bit.ly/1uQo3y9 )	[22:12]
asciilifeform	most 'human' networks have a single gateway.	[22:12]
mircea_popescu	" IP addresses that were not assigned to the device which is sending them."	[22:13]
mircea_popescu	pshhh.	[22:13]
mircea_popescu	this is not the solution.	[22:13]
mircea_popescu	the solution is to not send 500 packets in response to one	[22:13]
asciilifeform	weirdos like us, who might use gnarly multihomed pipes, not counted	[22:13]
mircea_popescu	and to not send packets to X that were asked for by Y.	[22:13]
asciilifeform	that last bit is precisely what i was speaking of.	[22:14]
asciilifeform	spoofing allows y to impersonate x.	[22:14]
asciilifeform	hence x gets the reply.	[22:14]
asciilifeform	this is not high science. ip spoofing and ddos vectors enabled by it are an age-old plague.	[22:15]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile TO THIS DAY wordpress will go check 1.1.1.1 because 2.2.2.2 said so.	[22:16]
mircea_popescu	and in connectionless environments such as ntp or dns even, it would cost nothing to require 2 tits for every tat.	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	you want the time ? ask twice. the server answers each request pair once, in the order of descending delta intervals.	[22:17]
asciilifeform	there are considerably more misconfigured consumer routers, tv boxes, electrical dildoes, etc. than 'wordpress' installs.	[22:17]
asciilifeform	(the latter tends to sit on fatter pipe, however. so i've no idea which one wins in practice.)	[22:18]
asciilifeform	^ for typical crap artist's collection	[22:18]
mircea_popescu	im annoyed by the principle of the thing.	[22:19]
mircea_popescu	mullenweg and the core of imbeciles "working" at wordpress go around claiming they program computers	[22:19]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile they are too stupid o tie their own shoes.	[22:19]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-12-2014#948319	[22:19]
assbot	Logged on 08-12-2014 17:09:27; asciilifeform: where every packet knows who paid for it << those who imagine a wot-routing based net as a rent-seekers' paradise are mistaken. it is today's net that is a rent-seeker's paradise, where folks who cannot abide ddos must buy bandwidth in vast excess of their normal needs	[22:19]
mircea_popescu	"lets make computers fun" ; "you know, for kids" and "anyone can do this". fuck that.	[22:19]
asciilifeform	rather, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-12-2014#948287	[22:20]
assbot	Logged on 08-12-2014 16:32:51; asciilifeform: ddos << there will come the day when folks will remember the 'route to anybody who asks first-come-first-serve' internet - with disgust.	[22:20]
ben_vulpes	once upon a time, computers were such that children could actually reason about them.	[22:20]
mircea_popescu	pre apple.	[22:20]
asciilifeform	pre-i386.	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	anyway, the entire world made by derps unaware of game theory needs to be redone.	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	it's like a beautifully drawn mmorpg made by blizzard. you KNOW the economy will be broken to all shit.	[22:21]
asciilifeform	who? - made what? - while unaware of game theory?	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	every anything used in an amplification attack meets the criteria.	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	it was made by idiots who do not understand what trade even is.	[22:22]
*	asciilifeform distinctly recalls that half the u.s. research establishment at one point furiously masturbated to game theorey	[22:22]
asciilifeform	*theory	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	yah well	[22:22]
BingoBoingo	Plenty of derps masterbate to the idea of tits without experiencing or understanding them	[22:23]
asciilifeform	the problem with 'amplification attack' isn't that i can send b bytes and get K*b back. failing this - tremendous waste! problem in actuality is spoofed packets getting routed, which at this point is always and without exception the result of idiot network designers and admins	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	no waste whatsoever.	[22:24]
mircea_popescu	it's not waste, it's usage.	[22:24]
mircea_popescu	you always get less than what you put in. this is the chief principle that makes the world endure	[22:24]
asciilifeform	you're talking about, unless i misunderstand, 'pushing' one bit for each 'pulled' ?	[22:24]
mircea_popescu	in spite of endless generations of imbeciles running wild all over it.	[22:24]
scoopbot	New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/12/cftc-requests-public-comment-ledgerx/	[22:24]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform more than one.	[22:24]
asciilifeform	who wishes to pay for this? mircea_popescu ?	[22:24]
mircea_popescu	you want n packets, you send at least n+1. you want n bits, you send at least n+1.	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	it's not a matter of who wishes anything.	[22:25]
asciilifeform	remember that ddos does not necessarily require 'amplification'	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	it's how everything must be.	[22:25]
asciilifeform	perfectly feasible simply using bots	[22:25]
asciilifeform	sending entirely ordinary packets	[22:25]
asciilifeform	directly to victim	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	as long as friction is baked in, the ddos problem fundamentally doesn't exist.	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	exactly for the reason you mention : who can afford or wants to give anyone free traffic ?	[22:26]
asciilifeform	ddos still exists if network treats random derp in random place equally with the folks whose traffic one actually wants.	[22:26]
mircea_popescu	somehow ddos doesn't happen irl. wonder why ?	[22:26]
mircea_popescu	it's not because of national id cards.	[22:26]
asciilifeform	because in real life, taking a shit in someone's kitchen requires physically entering.	[22:27]
mircea_popescu	right, which goes through thermodynamic dissipation aka friction.	[22:27]
asciilifeform	but suppose you could silently teleport it.	[22:27]
mircea_popescu	that is what im saying. to get a packet there, you need more than one	[22:27]
mircea_popescu	no more bs "teleport bits" internet	[22:27]
asciilifeform	bots still work as before	[22:28]
mircea_popescu	for as long as your bank accoutn lasts, sure.	[22:28]
asciilifeform	only the lowliest sp4mz0r actually pays for bots.	[22:28]
mircea_popescu	now.	[22:28]
mircea_popescu	because teleport bits exists, putting undue down pressure on all prices.	[22:28]
mircea_popescu	it's a situation exactly identical to "pay for software" and software market in general.	[22:28]
mircea_popescu	yes, i'm aware, reddit expects everything for free.	[22:29]
mircea_popescu	the reason is not economical, nor sensible.	[22:29]
mircea_popescu	they only get away with it because a flaw in the design.	[22:29]
asciilifeform	i can think of a few events that would apply the necessary upward pressure on bandwidth cost.	[22:29]
mircea_popescu	it shouldn't be an event	[22:29]
asciilifeform	say, cataclysmic war.	[22:29]
mircea_popescu	that is the definition of design : rules independent of events.	[22:29]
mircea_popescu	in short, the more i think about it the more im inclined to rather see the telcos win the internet war, adn google lose it	[22:30]
asciilifeform	let's rephrase a little. the internet as presently exists, is, in practice, mainly a machine for 1) connecting derps to 'reddit' and 'arsebook' 2) routing ddos packets to trilema, qntra...	[22:30]
asciilifeform	if want some other network - have to produce it.	[22:31]
mircea_popescu	if cardano wasn't so woefully delayed exploring this in practice'd be almost tempting.	[22:31]
mircea_popescu	make a whole new web, on a whole new port, based on pgp signs	[22:32]
asciilifeform	which practice ?	[22:32]
mircea_popescu	turn off all other traffic, have servers in their own, better world.	[22:32]
asciilifeform	i may have spoken of this once. i've a very rough draft of precisely this, using an interesting bit of mathematics called 'fountain code'	[22:33]
asciilifeform	but not ready for battlefield. and no time now.	[22:33]
mircea_popescu	it'd be a better tor and everything else by default.	[22:33]
asciilifeform	rather opposite goal to 'tor.'	[22:33]
asciilifeform	if i understand mircea_popescu correctly	[22:33]
mircea_popescu	but actually delivering its claimed fruits.	[22:33]
mircea_popescu	and absolutely NEVER allow any derps on it. stick to the original plan with the original internet, no fucking undergrads.	[22:34]
mircea_popescu	no fucking aol.	[22:34]
asciilifeform	whole thing was based (in my head) on a hypothesis that folks misidentify the reason for the glory of old usenet	[22:34]
mircea_popescu	the glory of the usenet is exactly the glory of b-a.	[22:34]
asciilifeform	folks typically say 'it was because electric identities were attached to people'	[22:34]
mircea_popescu	once you get the proper voice model implemented, forgeddaboutit	[22:35]
BingoBoingo	http://openbenchmarking.org/result/1412060-LI-KFREEBSD879 << Look the Derps still benchmark OS software but have lost the ability to benchmark with... Same hardware!	[22:35]
assbot	Debian 8.0 Jessie - KFreeBSD Vs. GNU Linux Benchmarks - OpenBenchmarking.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1qTTPy1 )	[22:35]
asciilifeform	but really it was because posts were attached to identities (as a matter of convention, rather than 'hard' protocol)	[22:35]
asciilifeform	i.e. - wot.	[22:35]
mircea_popescu	quite.	[22:35]
mircea_popescu	and a shitty version, beyond primitive, yet it still worked.	[22:35]
mircea_popescu	the extreme power of this idea is evidenced by how effectual it is even when poorly implemented.	[22:35]
mircea_popescu	exactly like gunpowder is impressive even without a fine 1850 hovitzer	[22:36]
asciilifeform	aha.	[22:36]
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asciilifeform	someone probably wonders 'wtf, why fountain code'. answer: getting rid of tcp.	[22:36]
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asciilifeform	so communication can be maximally stateless	[22:36]
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mircea_popescu	aside of which, friday some derp was going on about what "his life is dedicated to" and in the crowd hysteria i told em my life is dedicated to excluding people.	[22:37]
asciilifeform	l0l!!	[22:37]
mircea_popescu	totally ruined the moment for 'em. idiots.	[22:37]
mircea_popescu	there is however no higher purpose.	[22:37]
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asciilifeform	here's a very rough description of above experiment. to start a transmission a --> b, 'a' sends a hello (udp) packet, which consists of an ephemeral rsa key, hash and length of (coming) payload, and all of the preceding signed with his wot key. this fits handily below the traditional 576 byte mtu.	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	why do you want to preserve the fucking magic numbers	[22:42]
asciilifeform	what follows is the payload, divided into K gibblets, each below udp mtu in size, each signed with ephemeral key. the gibblets are coded using fountain code (e.g. 'raptor') and you need N of K - in any order - to reassemble.	[22:43]
asciilifeform	fucking magic numbers << mircea_popescu wants to buy everyone on the planet a new nic and lay own oceanic fibers, launch own satellites, etc. ? sure, why not.	[22:43]
*	mircea_popescu grumbles.	[22:44]
asciilifeform	but if working with existing planet, have to swallow some very basic dirt like udp.	[22:44]
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mircea_popescu	wqasn't the actuyal max 64kb anyway ?	[22:45]
asciilifeform	max. 576 is max that won't fragment.	[22:46]
asciilifeform	(consult literature)	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	o that	[22:47]
mircea_popescu	all this shit is starting to come back to me	[22:47]
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asciilifeform	at any rate, tiny packets plus fountain code plus each one is signed, will work great with transmission media other than internet (say, shortwave)	[22:47]
asciilifeform	and any other slow, noisy channel.	[22:47]
decimation	absolutely	[22:48]
decimation	asciilifeform: did you see that david mackay book I recommended? He has a chapter on fountain codes	[22:48]
asciilifeform	aha.	[22:49]
asciilifeform	not a bad intro.	[22:49]
BingoBoingo	* mircea_popescu shudders, thinks of bunnies << This is how Qntra's taking over reddit.	[22:50]
decimation	he also wrote a book on renewable resources from Herr McCarthy's point of view	[22:50]
decimation	"He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense"	[22:50]
decimation	re: ntp amplification << the thing is, ntp tends to run on actual servers people might care about, so they might respond to notices	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	decimation still.	[22:53]
asciilifeform	decimation: nope. iirc, it mostly uses misconfigured tv boxes	[22:53]
asciilifeform	set to serve up ntp for no particular reason.	[22:54]
decimation	sigh	[22:54]
asciilifeform	d3m0cr4cy!	[22:54]
asciilifeform	all packets were created equal...	[22:54]
decimation	I've actually spent some time reading the ntp source code	[22:54]
decimation	it's a mess	[22:54]
decimation	I managed to get that pci card with the onboard ocxo working with a slightly custom ntp driver	[22:55]
asciilifeform	to finish the earlier thread: machine on the other end of the link (destination) decides whether to keep packet and attempt payload reassembly based on simple criteria: 1) is it a hello from a wot-blessed (from his pov) key 2) is it signed by an ephemeral key from one such 'hello' received recently.	[22:57]
asciilifeform	anything else gets insta-dropped.	[22:57]
asciilifeform	i've deliberately described only a point-to-point link. routing with multiple hops is left as an exercise for the reader!	[22:58]
thestringpuller	that seems like a huge packet though ~_~	[22:58]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the important part isn't even trhere, the important part is that the machine WONT ROUTE	[22:58]
mircea_popescu	if it doesn't like the sig	[22:58]
asciilifeform	nope. every single one below udp mtu.	[22:58]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i did just say this.	[22:58]
mircea_popescu	right.	[22:58]
thestringpuller	asciilifeform: how many more bytes would GPG sig add to packet? (i assume binary signatures?)	[22:59]
mircea_popescu	and i'd kinda like to see this implemented right by sane people this decader	[22:59]
mircea_popescu	because the telcos WILL do a mickey mouse or should i say microsoft version of it	[22:59]
decimation	asciilifeform: why bother with the emphemeral key? wouldn't a signed blob (however you do the error coding) be good enough?	[23:01]
asciilifeform	decimation is a winner	[23:01]
asciilifeform	the ephemeral key is absolutely necessary.	[23:01]
asciilifeform	can anyone tell me why?	[23:01]
asciilifeform	i left it as an exercise.	[23:01]
decimation	well, I guess if you didn't have it, you would have to store all of the irrelvant derpage until you could check it	[23:01]
asciilifeform	nope	[23:02]
asciilifeform	i bet mircea_popescu can tell us why ephemeral key is a must	[23:03]
mircea_popescu	replay attacks for one thing come to mind	[23:03]
asciilifeform	nah, that's what the nonce (see, i left out details i consider profanely obvious) is for	[23:04]
mircea_popescu	isn't fixed sig + nonce equivalent to ephemereal sig ?	[23:04]
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asciilifeform	rot13: boivbhfyl, bayl rcurzreny xrlf znl fvta cnlybnqf orpnhfr jbg xrl yvirf va ryrpgevpnyyl vfbyngrq qrivpr naq vf abg npprffvoyr gb lbhe pbzchgre jvgubhg znahny gevttre chyy!	[23:05]
asciilifeform	the riddle is not difficult.	[23:06]
mircea_popescu	but for that you need the cardano.	[23:06]
decimation	oh duh	[23:07]
asciilifeform	right-o.	[23:07]
asciilifeform	just like to take analysis you gotta pass arithmetic.	[23:07]
decimation	well, it need not be a per-session ephemeral key in that case	[23:07]
asciilifeform	ruthlessly cumulative game.	[23:07]
asciilifeform	decimation: i deliberately oversimplified things here.	[23:07]
asciilifeform	perhaps will live to regret.	[23:07]
asciilifeform	wanted to be sure to hammer in the point.	[23:07]
asciilifeform	a different kind of net is possible.	[23:08]
asciilifeform	(to pervert the liberast slogan 'a different world is possible')	[23:08]
decimation	absolutely. mr. yarvin linked to a vint cerf lecture where herr cerf was talking about global persistant namespaces	[23:08]
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asciilifeform	all thieves. ted nelson wrote about it in no uncertain language, in the late '60s.	[23:09]
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decimation	interesting	[23:09]
decimation	bitcoin is a kind of global namespace	[23:09]
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mircea_popescu	all thieves!~	[23:10]
asciilifeform	or, to be more charitable, f-students	[23:10]
decimation	wasn't kakobrekla explaining about the saturated nature of the torrent 'clouds'?	[23:10]
asciilifeform	the beauty of a wot-enabled net is that you no longer need to think about perverse edge cases quite so much.	[23:11]
asciilifeform	because folks who eagerly push the limits of the permissible - will find themselves dealt out of the game.	[23:11]
*	assbot gives voice to thestringpuller	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform just like it works here.	[23:12]
asciilifeform	aha.	[23:12]
asciilifeform	who was it who compared wot to semiconductor? mircea_popescu ?	[23:13]
decimation	actually vint has much to answer for, because of tcp. TCP was a step backwards in networking	[23:13]
asciilifeform	ordinary net - conductor. wotnet - semiconductor.	[23:13]
mircea_popescu	if i didn't i'll take it anyway.	[23:13]
asciilifeform	very closely analogous, actually.	[23:14]
decimation	most of the modems that are now in use on shortwave are designed to turn the natural broadcast medium into a point-to-point link	[23:15]
decimation	which is a fantastic waste if you think about it	[23:15]
mircea_popescu	well...	[23:17]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: What was your earlier maybe project that got supplanted, the resistor?	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	if you think about it sculpture is also fantastic waste of marble	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	kinda how civilisation works. life too.	[23:18]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: ???	[23:18]
asciilifeform	resistor?	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	kyristor ?	[23:18]
asciilifeform	^	[23:18]
BingoBoingo	tHAT ONE	[23:18]
BingoBoingo	tHANKS	[23:18]
decimation	hehe	[23:18]
BingoBoingo	Cuts ceramic tiles.	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo is a backwards endian	[23:20]
mircea_popescu	he remembers the end ofwords	[23:20]
BingoBoingo	That is very true.	[23:20]
BingoBoingo	Dat ass	[23:20]
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BingoBoingo	!up gesella	[23:22]
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mircea_popescu	!up gernika	[23:23]
-assbot-	You voiced gernika for 30 minutes.	[23:23]
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BingoBoingo	https://twitter.com/lowtax/status/544592688582889472	[23:25]
assbot	wow, that leaked James Bond script looks terrible http://t.co/OuIZAs25A1	[23:25]
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asciilifeform	the important takeaway from the earlier thread is that 'democracy is mistake, hierarchy is useful concept' is a testable hypothesis with immediate engineering applications.	[23:28]
asciilifeform	mr mold realized this, but for reasons of his own he ended up crapping out a centrally-controlled abortion	[23:28]
asciilifeform	sorta like what a more clever usg would have offered.	[23:29]
mircea_popescu	quite, asciilifeform .	[23:30]
asciilifeform	i've no idea why he did it. for all i know, 'they' threatened to feed his children to shoggoths if he refrained.	[23:31]
mircea_popescu	equalitarianism is a pipe dream, whether it calls itself democracy, socialism or anything else. hierarchy is both good and indispensable. this is factually correct, which means it's practically falsifiable and scientifically approacheable.	[23:31]
asciilifeform	point here was that it has immediate engineering applications. like trigonometry.	[23:32]
mircea_popescu	quite.	[23:33]
asciilifeform	16th c. trigonometers did not have to beg folks to agree. they were fought over by the chiefs of their time, because artillery.	[23:33]
mircea_popescu	quite :)	[23:33]
*	mircea_popescu asks nubbins to make him a sign	[23:33]
BingoBoingo	At the time Artillery was cooler than fighter Jets ever were, or John McCain's shit eating grin would be on signs as far south as Rio	[23:35]
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BingoBoingo	http://reason.com/blog/2014/12/15/social-justice-bandits-vandalize-apartme?n_play=548f6eb2e4b0697d47400883	[23:40]
assbot	Vandalized: Residence of U-M Student Who Dared to Mock Trigger Warnings - Hit & Run : Reason.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Afms8N )	[23:40]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[23:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 5338 @ 0.0012 = 6.4056 BTC	[23:45]
BingoBoingo	http://www.opensxce.org/	[23:47]
assbot	OpenSXCE 2014.05 LiveDVD for Intel/AMD IA32 and AMD64 plus for Sun/Oracle SPARC (from 1995' UltraSPARC_I till 2011' sun4v UltraSPARC T3) ... ( http://bit.ly/1AfnEZS )	[23:47]
mod6	root@ip-172-31-10-219:/mnt/btc-dev/sandbox/bitcoin-bitcoin-a8def6b/src# ./bitcoind -rpccommand getblockcount	[23:48]
mod6	334499	[23:48]
mod6	oops	[23:48]
*	assbot gives voice to PeterL	[23:49]
mircea_popescu	ddos ?	[23:50]
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PeterL	speaking of Universities in Michigan, http://www.mlive.com/lansing-news/index.ssf/2014/12/george_will_speech_set_to_go_a.html	[23:53]
assbot	George Will speech set to go ahead despite protests to Michigan State trustees \| MLive.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1AfoHci )	[23:53]
PeterL	At my alma mater, the school president tells students to grow up, lets the guy speak anyway	[23:54]
*	assbot removes voice from Guest25580	[23:54]
BingoBoingo	Good for them	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	who is this will fellow ?	[23:55]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Kind of "conservative" writer. Also writes about baseball.	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	That was the end of the story—until last week, when The College Fix reported that Mahmood's off-campus apartment was vandalized. The four criminals wore hoods and baggy clothing to disguise themselves; less brilliantly, they changed in full view of the apartment complex's security camera. They appear to be women of unclear ages. The video footage is available here.	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	lulzy.	[23:56]
BingoBoingo	Does not look like http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/0/0/4/350004_v1.jpg	[23:56]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1AfpkTj )	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	i could have told you itwas women	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	who the fuck else imagines "nobody likes you" is a valid attack lmao	[23:57]
BingoBoingo	Well, you have to admire the stunningly poor opsec.	[23:58]
PeterL	mircea_popescu: apparently he said something about rape which people did not like	[23:58]
mircea_popescu	"Remember: anything a prog/leftist/SJW accuses others of doing, they always are guilty of themselves. Always. And that's why they can't see the contradiction here. Because the projection is a defense mechanism. They can't see the contradiction without realizing some very nasty truths about themselves."	[23:58]
mircea_popescu	comments section's not bad for once.	[23:58]
PeterL	Reason does have some good commentors, they would fit in well here	[23:59]
ben_vulpes	may as well invite The Well, PeterL	[23:59]
ben_vulpes	they have their hole, and it's the best, goddamit	[23:59]
mircea_popescu	what's that ?	[23:59]

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