Forum logs for 16 Dec 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
ben_vulpes the well? [00:00]
ben_vulpes some earlyish webby forum thing [00:00]
mircea_popescu you know what i'd really go for ? happy thursdays or something, wherein participating bars/coffee shops all over the world give free drinks to people in the b-a wot. [00:00]
PeterL I think I might have been linked to bitcoin by Reason, back in 2011 [00:00]
mircea_popescu they can have wireless and we can all be like little fonzies. [00:01]
ben_vulpes [00:01]
assbot The WELL - the birthplace of the online community movement. ... ( ) [00:01]
mircea_popescu does anyone want to actually administer this project ? [00:01]
decimation the women donning disguises in front of the security camera is hilarious [00:06]
mircea_popescu ;;google "but i used the juice" [00:07]
gribble The burglar with the lemon juice disguise « Mind Hacks: ; Dunning–Kruger effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; DOT Uses Beet Juice to Battle Icy Roads | NBC 10 Philadelphia: [00:07]
mircea_popescu decimation basically, in the 90s the typical aimless, 30something undergrad was perfectly typified by tom green in roadtrip [00:11]
mircea_popescu 20 years later, it's a very fat, but in denial about it, very socially inept, but also in denial about it, 30something yo female. [00:11]
mircea_popescu pity there's no talented comedienne to mock the type. [00:12]
decimation yeah I buy that [00:12]
decimation most 'life-long students' I have met were women [00:12]
asciilifeform 30something undergrad << lol [00:12]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Concerning number of those [00:12]
decimation did we link to the greenpeace idiots in peru? [00:13]
asciilifeform (they exist! everyone remembers the 19th c. 'eternal students', who were bequeathed a certain income to live on -while students- by rich family, and so stretched out study for decades - today, it's loan deferment.) [00:13]
thestringpuller decimation: I thought greenpeace was norwegian. [00:13]
decimation [00:13]
assbot Peru Says Greenpeace Permanently Damaged Nazca Lines - WSJ [00:13]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform exactly. [00:14]
decimation it's pretty much the same deal as your idiot-'academic'-woman stereotype [00:14]
decimation they went to put a sign on the ground near ancient drawings in a desert, to protest the desecration of climate change, and they descrated the lines in the process [00:14]
decimation peru is going to throw the idiots in peruvian jail [00:14]
mircea_popescu they tried and therefore no one should criticize them. [00:15]
decimation that was pretty much their original 'apology' and peru said 'fuck you' [00:15]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: In my first stint as a Teaching Assistant I had Late 40's grad students. Retired military or house wives getting almost always already employed by the university looking for their second or third career [00:16]
asciilifeform free publicity. [00:16]
asciilifeform next they'll smash something notable on purpose. [00:16]
asciilifeform herostratus. [00:16]
asciilifeform employed by the university << where i live, it gets you (above a certain rank) free tuition. so plenty of takers. but this is a different animal from earlier picture. [00:17]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform knows his greeks! [00:17]
mircea_popescu !s herostratus [00:17]
assbot 1 results for 'herostratus' : [00:17]
asciilifeform who doesn't know old herostratus. [00:18]
decimation they posted a video of themselves performing the act on youtube, you can clearly see them standing inches from the lines [00:18]
BingoBoingo next they'll smash something notable on purpose. << Locally "preservation Engineers" have done exactly this with "Monks Mound" Thing is just a pile of dirt long lived with stable shape. Engineers come in and in their interventions invent "slumping" A scourge the caused and insist only they can solve for the grant dollars. [00:18]
assbot protesta de Greenpeace daña Líneas de Nazca - YouTube ... ( ) [00:18]
decimation basically the lines are drawn in the black crusted desert, with white sand underneath [00:19]
decimation they have been there more-or-less unmolested for 1000 years [00:20]
BingoBoingo Local dirt pile in question endangered by "preservation" [00:21]
assbot Cahokia Mounds [00:21]
asciilifeform nothing really new here. recall the millenia of idiots who separated everything that 'was poorly glued down' from the pyramids, etc. [00:22]
asciilifeform if peru wants to preserve the line drawings, easy pill: [00:22]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform notably, napoleon [00:22]
asciilifeform drop mines. [00:22]
decimation asciilifeform: but some of them might have been making an idiotic political statement! [00:22]
decimation asciilifeform: or revive east germany's experiments with automated gunfire [00:22]
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asciilifeform i recommend ПФМ-1. [00:22]
asciilifeform aka butterfly. [00:23]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Pyramid stone at least had value in being convenient cut rock. This is literally a dirt pile only being molest because of grants by engineers that can't arithmatic. [00:23]
mats $proxies [00:24]
empyex mats: Proxies: Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91 [00:24]
empyex mats: MPEx-Status: (112 milliseconds), (119 milliseconds), (123 milliseconds), (132 milliseconds), (462 milliseconds) [00:24]
empyex mats: Health-Indicators: Homepage: √ MK Depth JSON: ✗ VWAP JSON: √ [00:24]
mats that's a god damn lie [00:24]
asciilifeform unlike the ancient egyptians, modern man does not have to content himself with curses to keep pests out of monuments [00:24]
asciilifeform many exquisite tools to choose from. [00:24]
decimation asciilifeform: the SM-70 [00:25]
assbot Fortifications of the inner German border - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( ) [00:25]
asciilifeform decimation: that thing was more or less a shotgun [00:25]
asciilifeform no concealment at all [00:25]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: "changing" << scam! i saw no nudity. [00:25]
asciilifeform useless for this purpose. [00:25]
asciilifeform you want them everywhere, and sans metal [00:26]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes do not complain about things you should be thankful for. [00:26]
BingoBoingo << Security incantations without reinforcement [00:26]
assbot NHL needs heightened vigilance with mumps - ... ( ) [00:26]
ben_vulpes pahaha [00:26]
asciilifeform if budget allows, use 'smart' mines that can be temporarily switched off by those having private key [00:26]
ben_vulpes i always enjoy derpettes humiliating themselves on camera. [00:26]
ben_vulpes "look ma - no dom!" [00:26]
decimation asciilifeform: this is what I mean by 'border fence' with mexico [00:27]
decimation I think mr. mold made this point - once you have laid the minefield, it's an easy step to the laser-turrets [00:27]
asciilifeform except why. [00:27]
asciilifeform from world's cheapest, most resilient weapon, to most ludicrously expensive and finicky [00:27]
asciilifeform only an american would suggest it. [00:28]
decimation hehe yeah good point [00:28]
decimation except minefields don't work well on rocky ledges [00:28]
mircea_popescu actually alf has a point. the mine is merely the successor of the caltrop [00:28]
asciilifeform disguise as rock in question. [00:28]
mircea_popescu definitely the oldest weapon, definitely the most cost effective. [00:28]
asciilifeform instead of digging in [00:28]
asciilifeform a plastic mine can easily wait for its 'customer' for a century. [00:28]
mircea_popescu but did princess diana die in vain ?! [00:29]
mircea_popescu (while speeding drunk) [00:29]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: If we were doing turrets, why laser and not rail? [00:29]
decimation BingoBoingo: let's not be silly [00:29]
asciilifeform if turrets, works differently [00:30]
asciilifeform you need exactly one [00:30]
asciilifeform (far away from the field) [00:30]
asciilifeform on the field - sensors. [00:30]
asciilifeform basically auto-called artillery strike. [00:30]
PeterL motion triggered nuke? [00:30]
mats [00:30]
assbot On Bank of Russia key rate and other measures [00:31]
BingoBoingo decimation: I'm just saying if we're shooting... projectiles with immediate injury. Dun want to get owned by a brave idiot wearing tin foil [00:31]
asciilifeform turrets kept in some remote pisshole, individually, is an idiot nonstarter [00:31]
asciilifeform (go leave, e.g., rifle, outdoors for a decade. then fire.) [00:31]
mircea_popescu o look at that, ruble crossed 60 [00:31]
mats Chinese did it just fine. muskets though. [00:31]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker -currency RUB [00:31]
gribble (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market |all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message) [00:31]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker --currency all [00:32]
gribble Bitstamp BTCALL ticker | Best bid: 38418.016095, Best ask: 38454.067135, Bid-ask spread: 36.05104, Last trade: 38454.067135, 24 hour volume: 9730.55800460, 24 hour low: 38340.28104, 24 hour high: 39992.995905, 24 hour vwap: 39354.7220805 [00:32]
decimation yeah 'auto-artillery' would be most cost effective [00:33]
decimation hell, one could combine mines and artillery with cluster bombs [00:33]
ben_vulpes self-steering for max efficacy [00:34]
decimation actually that would be particularly devious - a shell that one could hear being dropped, which would scatter mines everywhere - arming after a few seconds of settling [00:34]
mats ;;ticker --currency RUB [00:37]
gribble Bitstamp BTCRUB ticker | Best bid: 22345.9184, Best ask: 22380.637375, Bid-ask spread: 34.71897, Last trade: 22379.9823, 24 hour volume: 9755.85037265, 24 hour low: 22293.5124, 24 hour high: 23254.507425, 24 hour vwap: 22881.8278929 [00:37]
BingoBoingo And Bitcoin climbs, the dollars simply does not yet know! [00:39]
decimation this reminds me of B grade scifi movie - Screamers - based on a phillip k dick story [00:39]
mats ;;calc [ticker --currency RUB --last]/[ticker --currency USD --last] [00:45]
gribble 65.5295 [00:45]
decimation mats: that is neat, I didn't know gribble could do that [00:46]
undata you know technically one can climb in either direction [00:46]
undata sideways even [00:46]
mats nobody in b-a did, i looked in logs before attempting [00:46]
mats ;;calc [ticker --currency USD --last]/[ticker --currency RUB --last] [00:47]
gribble 0.0152617000008 [00:47]
decimation ;;calc [ticker --currency USD --last]/[ticker --currency EUR --last] [00:47]
gribble 1.24517494708 [00:47]
decimation so many weird linkages with oil, stocks, etc [00:48]
mats gribble is a cool dude [00:48]
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mats [00:49]
assbot ... ( ) [00:49]
mats >Russia will write off $865 million of Uzbekistan’s debt leaving a balance of $25 million to repay to Moscow [00:49]
cazalla mats, he doesn't afraid of anyone eh [00:50]
mats #econometrics, actually interesting when moriarty isn't around [00:50]
mircea_popescu is that the scammer guy that kept spamming here ? [00:51]
decimation he was spamming here for awhile [00:51]
ben_vulpes the same [00:51]
mats [00:52]
assbot 10 countries, which Russia has written off most debts | Russian news and facts ... ( ) [00:52]
decimation what was his scam? I recall he claimed that he had 'made it big' on early bitcoin [00:52]
BingoBoingo Lemme dig up the latest buttcointalk drama on the moriarity scammer [00:52]
mats his followers claim he is not the same as the bitcointalk scammer [00:53]
BingoBoingo [00:53]
assbot MoriartyBitcoin is also Envrin and BlackLilac Financial ... ( ) [00:53]
mircea_popescu decimation was linked here few days ago, some "mixer" thing stole however many btcs [00:53]
BingoBoingo mats: And Bill Cosby claimed he was a clean cut saint who wasn't in it for the pussy. [00:53]
mats the guy talks a lot without much substance and im not inclined to believe his claims at any rate [00:54]
BingoBoingo mats: Is it one or two #'s [00:54]
mats 2 [00:54]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo dude i so don't believe the recent cosby dirt... [00:55]
mats hes so fatherly n could never be a predator? [00:56]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: There were parts where maybe I believe, but yeah the string of inconsistent broke people kinda kills the thing as a movement. [00:56]
decimation this ledgerX thing is amusing. bezzle's gotta bezzle [00:59]
BingoBoingo mats: So apparently I am banned from that channel [01:03]
mats i learned today naive cold boot attacks are actually pretty unlikely to work, due to modern memory controllers causing a lot of data to appear to be garbage [01:03]
BingoBoingo decimation: Well it is one of those BTC futures without any BTC delivery deals [01:03]
mats BingoBoingo: bummer. its been p quiet, those links were the most interesting things in two days [01:04]
decimation BingoBoingo: yeah how the hell are they going to settle their 'physical' bitcoin swaps? [01:04]
BingoBoingo mats: Well I called him a spammer when he wouldn't stop PM spamming. [01:04]
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ben_vulpes all clients pacified [01:16]
ben_vulpes praise satoshi's spirit [01:16]
BingoBoingo decimation: In USD [01:17]
BingoBoingo Basically they want to run a USD to USD dice game [01:17]
decimation likbez! [01:22]
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asciilifeform mats: nobody reads using standard pc. [01:25]
asciilifeform mats: dedicated gadget is sold for the purpose. even comes with a bottle of (spray) freon. [01:26]
BingoBoingo This ^ Kit is cheaper than a typical 'netbook' [01:26]
mircea_popescu mats im not so convinced of that theory. [01:29]
mircea_popescu nm apparently im too late lol [01:30]
ben_vulpes help [01:37]
ben_vulpes i'm at a loss where to go with provisioning, deployments and cluster mutatino [01:37]
ben_vulpes mutation* [01:37]
asciilifeform wat [01:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1000 @ 0.0012 = 1.2 BTC [01:37]
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ben_vulpes asciilifeform: i run (small) clusters for clients. [01:38]
asciilifeform aha [01:38]
asciilifeform but now, at a loss as to how ? [01:38]
asciilifeform amnesia ? [01:38]
decimation ben_vulpes: do you use ec2 vm's? [01:38]
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mircea_popescu weren't you all into puppet/docker/we ? [01:38]
ben_vulpes i wrote a thing that handles turning standard piles of software into running software on ec2 with docker for environment isolation [01:39]
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ben_vulpes but it's pretty lacking in terms of mutating the cluster in place, and not the most pleasant of things to work in being written mostly in bash. [01:39]
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mircea_popescu move on to perl ? [01:39]
mircea_popescu :D [01:39]
ben_vulpes it's *great* at immutable infrastructure. you know - "don't mutate, just stand up a new cluster" [01:39]
ben_vulpes you and mod6 with the perl [01:40]
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ben_vulpes python's basically dead in the water ("which python", to quote alf) [01:40]
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ben_vulpes bash is inadequately expressive/debuggable [01:41]
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decimation nah, python3 is dead, python2 is what everyone uses [01:41]
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ben_vulpes decimation: concurrency semantics in py* are finger-crushingly bad. [01:42]
asciilifeform afaik everyone able to stomach perl is already using it. and the users know who each other are. kinda like coprophagiacs. [01:42]
decimation you mean the threading module? [01:43]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: i still can't fathom where a language having a 'global interpreter lock' gets off calling itself 'concurrent' [01:43]
decimation yeah that's a tricky one [01:43]
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ben_vulpes i don't really care about languages [01:44]
ben_vulpes i've only been doing this for like 3 years now and i've already learned that languages are a red herring. [01:44]
ben_vulpes the last thing i see happening is me getting excited about using a language for infrastructure automation. [01:45]
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decimation isn't that kinda what puppet is? [01:45]
mircea_popescu !up cryptonaut420 [01:45]
-assbot- You voiced cryptonaut420 for 30 minutes. [01:45]
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ben_vulpes clojure takes 30s to boot and so is utterly unusable for operations stuff. common lisp is...well, unpalatable to client operations staff. bash is not up to the task. python's right out, along with the *js crowd. [01:47]
mircea_popescu clearly asm and fortran are left. [01:47]
decimation or forth! [01:47]
ben_vulpes yeah how do i roll greenarrays into the thing [01:48]
decimation spin your own pci express card [01:48]
ben_vulpes i shudder at the mention, but perhaps i'll end up "Go"ing [01:50]
BingoBoingo !up toddf [01:50]
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decimation then you are in google's hands [01:51]
ben_vulpes !up Vexual [01:52]
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ben_vulpes decimation: i may have mis-discovered my history but wasn't the steel behind python largely google before they created "Go"? [01:53]
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decimation yeah I think they were mostly a python shop [01:54]
decimation I think van Rossum works there [01:54]
ben_vulpes yeah van Rossum was on payroll. [01:55]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: It was in part. [01:56]
BingoBoingo Python also benefitted from Math departments that thought "R" was bad branding for a language [01:56]
ben_vulpes numpy etc [01:57]
ben_vulpes engineering departments use matlab [01:57]
ben_vulpes *clearly* superior [01:57]
ben_vulpes /sarcasm [01:57]
mircea_popescu lol [01:58]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: I've been trying to get my mechanical engineering student brother on the LISP train (dentist brother needs no guidance) and I'm giving my paper copy of land of LISP to degernerate cousin's kids. God bless warez. [02:04]
mircea_popescu <<< tit equality, now a reality! [02:05]
assbot ... ( ) [02:06]
ben_vulpes tit's a myth i tell you! [02:08]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Tits are real. Just wait until mircea_popescu replaces flouride in the water with risperidone [02:10]
Vexual as long as it doesn't go into the whiskey [02:12]
Vexual mircea_popescu: move on to perl ? < bring me a straw [02:14]
mircea_popescu strapperl ? that's happening [02:16]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1071 @ 0.00122887 = 1.3161 BTC [+] {5} [02:48]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 8770 @ 0.0012 = 10.524 BTC [02:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1700 @ 0.0012 = 2.04 BTC [02:57]
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BingoBoingo sapPERL [03:10]
BingoBoingo !up Vexual [03:11]
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Vexual have cpan mirror, will tarvel [03:12]
Vexual mp: i'd love to run your free drinks, but i see a conflict of interests [03:20]
Vexual also theres not many people you'd like down at the local pig and sty [03:21]
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fluffypony [03:24]
assbot Liquor Stories - The Pilot Episode - YouTube ... ( ) [03:24]
Vexual what about a thursday freeroll on seals? [03:25]
Vexual same miscreants [03:26]
Vexual fluffy, you're awesome [03:27]
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Vexual heck, i'll even chip in for the prize [03:41]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16527 @ 0.00061512 = 10.1661 BTC [+] [04:14]
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BingoBoingo ;;gettrust HoreaV [05:40]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user HoreaV: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Mon Apr 28 05:59:47 2014 [05:40]
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Naphex he is going full circle.. getting to -10 [05:42]
BingoBoingo Fucker. [05:42]
Naphex BingoBoingo: maybe after, at the moment i'm still taking in the threats, black mails [05:42]
Naphex and such [05:42]
fluffypony what threats? [05:43]
Naphex but its a damn very interesint life lesson [05:43]
BingoBoingo Well, these things happen [05:43]
Naphex only takes a prick to burst a bubble [05:43]
BingoBoingo Nah, a prick just turns your sister into a stranger's wife. This sounds worse than a prick. [05:44]
BingoBoingo !up Vexual [05:53]
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Vexual ;gettrust Vexual [05:57]
BingoBoingo So, can anyone else spot what is wrong in this comparison? [06:06]
assbot Debian 8.0 Jessie - KFreeBSD Vs. GNU Linux Benchmarks - ... ( ) [06:06]
BingoBoingo << Oh Shit [06:08]
assbot NOTIFICARE IMPORTANTĂ: vă rugăm să va retrageți toate fondurile din BTCXchange ... ( ) [06:08]
Vexual nope, if the debian snu comp is an ascii style quiz, then i fail [06:10]
BingoBoingo Vexual: Well, jsut compare the hardware specs on the test rigs. Notice anything that doesn't match? [06:12]
Vexual no [06:13]
BingoBoingo Well, are the processors and storage devices the same? [06:13]
Vexual well storage is different, but i don't know the descriptors, so i cant say how [06:14]
BingoBoingo Well Note that Debian/kFreeBSD's one truly poor area of performance is Disk operations and their disk ran off of an external enclosure while the Debian/linux SSD ran off of... Sata [06:15]
Vexual yeah im no ttoo sure what that means... theres another level to the disk operations? [06:22]
BingoBoingo That benchmark was done by the phoronix guy who has pretty much been full Pettering since the pulse audio suck [06:22]
BingoBoingo Yeah [06:22]
Vexual t what purpose? [06:22]
BingoBoingo Drink more, let the groundhog lead you to the truth [06:22]
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Vexual is it careful about how fast the ssd dies? [06:28]
Vexual i can't read italian: ill just have the spaghetti [06:29]
mircea_popescu lol such drama [06:32]
mircea_popescu lol check out BingoBoingo speaking romanian [06:33]
Vexual that was romainian? [06:34]
Vexual it'd very like italian [06:34]
fluffypony romance languages all come from Italian [06:35]
mircea_popescu italian comes from romanian [06:35]
fluffypony agh [06:35]
fluffypony Latin [06:35]
fluffypony can't type [06:35]
mircea_popescu lol [06:35]
fluffypony they all come from Vulgar Latin [06:35]
Vexual alll my favourite bakers pretend to be italian [06:36]
mircea_popescu romanian is way more vulgar. [06:36]
fluffypony lol [06:36]
mircea_popescu romanian is so vulgar it turns a prick into a sister's wife. [06:37]
Vexual and cake to poo [06:38]
mircea_popescu that's a myth. [06:38]
Vexual depends where you get it from [06:38]
mircea_popescu sperm, blood, piss and vinegar. [06:39]
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Vexual whaddaya homeick? [06:40]
Vexual dealing with red vinegar [06:41]
Vexual id say it's very much interchzangeable [06:43]
Vexual whats the dollar rate on the street now? [06:44]
Vexual and whyz it called blue? is it porno, or people just dont like grey? [06:45]
Vexual it's a bit porno isnt it? [06:45]
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Vexual ;;seen peted [06:48]
gribble I have not seen peted. [06:48]
Vexual i forgot to tell him where to trade coin [06:49]
fluffypony he changed his nick to peter_abraham_ezekial_dushenkovski [06:49]
Vexual yeah, i can't spell it [06:50]
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mircea_popescu lol [07:07]
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cazalla looks like Luke-Jr upset the redditors [08:59]
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jurov cazalla link? [09:14]
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cazalla front page of /r/bitcoin jurov [09:15]
jurov prolly this [09:15]
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cazalla hosting an early xmas luncheon tmw, my contribution is the best potato salad in ze world, beetroot relish to go with cheeses and rocket dip, the rocket i grow myself [10:05]
cazalla of course, i am getting stuck into tmw's booze, tonight [10:05]
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davout cazalla: you see a potato salad, i see a potential IPO [10:15]
cazalla i was gonna open a chicken shop ya know [10:16]
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cazalla bbq chicken, burgers, salads.. no-one will pay for quality, or not enough people to warrant it and the long hours [10:16]
davout slaughtered on order? i'd hit that [10:17]
mircea_popescu but then you got high ? [10:17]
davout blergh [10:17]
cazalla nah, died on the vine [10:18]
cazalla davout, no demand for rabbit burger [10:20]
mats >> 'i can't be bothered to read the notes' [10:22]
assbot MagicalBux comments on Exposed: Luke-Jr plans on forcing blacklists on all Gentoo bitcoin users by default, for the second time ... ( ) [10:22]
cazalla as for chicken shops.. you cannot find a single legitimate charchoal chicken shop anywhere here these days [10:24]
cazalla they have all converted to infrared ovens yet persist with advertising themselves as charcoal chicken [10:24]
cazalla few ok lebanese chicken shops around but eh.. fkn muslims [10:25]
mats why the islamophobia [10:26]
cazalla why not? [10:26]
cazalla big thing here atm is for leftists to tweet #illridewithyou to show support for muslims in australia on public transport [10:27]
cazalla any woman wearing a hajib who is scared for her life can find someone tweeting that to ride on the train safely with, that's the idea anyway [10:28]
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mircea_popescu o that kind of riding [10:46]
thestringpuller cazalla: Luke-Jr strikes again! The power rangers have to burn cash to survive it seems. [10:53]
mats i wonder what its like for Luke-Jr to be opposed so strongly by people that share similar political beliefs [10:54]
mats anarchist types are rare enough, and this overlap with people that understand the technical aspects of bitcoin are even fewer [10:55]
thestringpuller this is where Luke-Jr looks at his logs and says, "You know I can hear what you're saying" [10:55]
mats bend the knee already. you know you're wrong. [10:55]
thestringpuller no one wants to abdicate their imaginary throne. [10:56]
mats maybe its more insidious than we know, what if he was caught selling methamphetamine on the side when he was broke and is now enslaved by an agent? [10:59]
mats perhaps i'm giving him too much credit but i get the impression he's an intelligent guy and knows hes doing dumb shit [10:59]
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mats i am of course talking about #b-a's opposition to him, not wutever redditards [11:01]
thestringpuller Perhaps this can be said of Gavin, hence tell tale signs of his comromisation. [11:01]
thestringpuller compromisation* [11:01]
thestringpuller the other power rangers I do not know. But jgarzik definitely publicly stated he'd like to see a GPG-like implementation in pure JS, which is mind boggling for a supposed intelligent person to say. [11:03]
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mats are you in the bay now thestringpuller? i read something about vmware earlier [11:06]
davout thestringpuller: there's nothing wrong in itself with js, its using it in a browser that sounds a bit weird [11:07]
thestringpuller davout: exactly! [11:19]
thestringpuller do you really trust Chrome or Firefox to store your MPEx GPG key? [11:20]
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thestringpuller mats: AirWatch, which is owned by VMWare. [11:20]
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mats ah, cool [11:29]
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asciilifeform speaking of ru central bank >> [12:23]
assbot ClubOrlov: Can anybody find me... a central banker to love? ... ( ) [12:23]
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asciilifeform it is why single-vendor (how else) 'implementation as standard' is fundamentally retarded. [12:25]
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BingoBoingo Symbolics LISP is an incompatible upate from Brick LISP [12:27]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: pre-dated the ansi standard effort [12:27]
BingoBoingo Sure. Baudot predated ansi text standards too. [12:28]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: there were other interesting lisps of the period - xerox's 'interlisp' (and its environment) being perhaps the most noteworthy [12:28]
asciilifeform interestingly, there is a xerox lisp machine emulator for msdos, of all things, 'medley.' i have never located a copy. [12:29]
BingoBoingo If only Xerox had enough crazy to venture beyond the paper business with any conviction. [12:29]
asciilifeform xerox parc did exist. [12:29]
asciilifeform went to the same hell as bell labs. [12:29]
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asciilifeform quite arguably, both were largesse of monopolists, and died with the monopolies. [12:30]
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BingoBoingo Well many small towns maintain libraries gifted in another act of monopolist largesse, but similarly the handling of those gifts has decayed in a cargo-cult manner. [12:33]
asciilifeform i'm told they threw out the books in many places, in favour of rows upon rows of winblows terminals, public 3d printer stalls, etc. [12:34]
BingoBoingo They have, but even before then were decaying as books were replaced by crappy fascimiles of books. [12:34]
BingoBoingo Not Xerox copies, but bad faith imitators of the book form. [12:35]
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BingoBoingo Xerox copies of worn actual books would have been fine. Many "special collections" departments do that for actual papers of interest. [12:37]
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asciilifeform 'While most regular Russians go to Sberbank to pay their utility bills and municipal fees, a few highly irregular Russians (and a few foreigners among them) go to Sberbank to sit in posh offices in front of trading terminals and gamble away the regular Russians' savings. The regular Russians are rather upset about this state of affairs, and 70% of them state in opinion polls that they consider currency manipulation to be a cri [12:40]
asciilifeform me and want the criminals stopped and punished.' (mr. o) [12:40]
BingoBoingo It's hard to think much of a library that would have as part of its collection and the like ISBN-13: 978-0672313004 [12:40]
asciilifeform 'spam like a pro in 24 fortnights!' [12:41]
BingoBoingo Handle Turd studio X15, Chapter 9, Turdthenware [12:42]
BingoBoingo Bowl and mugs [12:43]
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* asciilifeform pays very, very dearly for access to proper library [12:44]
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asciilifeform though sc4mz0rs: [12:45]
assbot Logged on 13-12-2014 22:32:17; asciilifeform: speaking of my rotten old uni, i'm no longer permitted to read the electronic journals for any amount of money [12:45]
BingoBoingo It might be time to audit the art classes. [12:45]
thestringpuller asciilifeform the painter [12:46]
* BingoBoingo was suspecting more along the lines of metalworking. [12:46]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo probably knows that a full-scale university in usa does not normally have useful courses like metalwork. [12:47]
asciilifeform déclassé. [12:47]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Many actually have a perverted version. Lives in Art department. [12:47]
BingoBoingo Focus on 18th century state of the art casting and blacksmithing [12:48]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: they'll cover basic welding, yes. art school here even has own scrapyard. [12:48]
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asciilifeform at any rate, the game is not worth the candles at roughly 8k usd/yr. for buying access to e-journals in this way. [12:50]
BingoBoingo There's got to be single credit hour courses somewhere to audit. [12:50]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: 'mandatory fees' [12:51]
BingoBoingo Ah, they don't pro-rate for part time? [12:51]
asciilifeform nope. [12:51]
asciilifeform when i look for a specific archival piece, i have contacts who can get it. just takes time. the point of full access is: idle browsing. [12:52]
BingoBoingo Yes. [12:52]
mats aren't there handheld scanners that'd resolve this for you? [12:53]
asciilifeform mats: we're discussing e-journals [12:53]
asciilifeform mats: my university no longer gets paper copies of journals. [12:53]
mats bummer [12:54]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: The probably do get some. Just not for the subjects that interest. [12:54]
BingoBoingo And not for the general library [12:54]
asciilifeform interestingly, spy cameras are no longer necessary there. they've installed public 'face-up' scanners that go straight from dead tree to jpeg on usb drive, gratis [12:54]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: they had paper journals as recently as two years ago. but now zapped. [12:55]
asciilifeform i'm told that scarcely anyone read them in dead tree. [12:56]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Even in the medical and law libraries? [12:56]
asciilifeform we've neither on this campus [12:56]
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BingoBoingo Ah [12:56]
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BingoBoingo scoopbot -fetch [12:58]
scoopbot New post on by Bingo Boingo: [12:58]
mats it scoops [12:59]
BingoBoingo Indeed [12:59]
mats ;;calc [ticker --currency RUB --last]/[ticker --currency USD --last] [13:01]
gribble 72.5295 [13:01]
mats it moves [13:01]
mats [13:06]
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BingoBoingo Ah, firewire. Another example of a toy standard accidentaly'ing its way to "professional" standard. [13:08]
mats mindshare has other cool things about AGP, PCI, PCIe, USB, SATA, ... [13:13]
BingoBoingo Ah [13:13]
mats i tried to find docs on Thunderbolt on the internets but after comparing notes with other people, they're still under NDA [13:13]
thestringpuller what's that new port they are putting in laptops... [13:14]
thestringpuller ;;google thunderbolt [13:14]
gribble Thunderbolt Technology Community: ; Apple - Thunderbolt: Next-generation high-speed I/O technology.: ; Thunderbolt (interface) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: [13:14]
mats p sure thats it [13:14]
thestringpuller i thought it was neat that it's essentially an external PCIe slot [13:15]
thestringpuller waiting for the day they start selling external gpu's for laptops [13:15]
mats the thoroughput is amazing [13:15]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [13:15]
thestringpuller i would hope so if it claims to be a PCIe port [13:16]
mats iirc you can push to two 5k displays [13:16]
thestringpuller yea [13:16]
BingoBoingo [13:16]
assbot NASA’s $349 million monument to its drift | The Washington Post ... ( ) [13:16]
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thestringpuller danielpbarron didn't realize you were based in CT. [13:25]
thestringpuller Connecticutians unite! [13:25]
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mircea_popescu so boys and girls, i will be taking a vacation [13:39]
mircea_popescu prolly see each other again sporadically until 2015 [13:40]
mircea_popescu so merry xmas and a happy new year! [13:40]
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mike_c happy holidays [13:41]
BingoBoingo Alright, time to generate some serious logs! [13:42]
mircea_popescu tyty [13:43]
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thestringpuller mircea_popescu is lying. [13:59]
thestringpuller he's always on vacation [13:59]
thestringpuller i think the term is `retirement` [13:59]
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BingoBoingo I thought he had to chase all of those topless servers yesterday [14:04]
[]bot Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) Mar 2015 to drop under $50 before Feb 2015 " Odds: 51(Y):49(N) by coin, 49(Y):51(N) by weight. Total bet: 5.5594 BTC. Current weight: 84,068. [14:05]
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[]bot Bet created: "Russian Index MICEX to drop under 1000 before Feb 2015" [14:13]
[]bot Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Russian Index MICEX to drop under 1000 before Feb 2015" Odds: 93(Y):7(N) by coin, 93(Y):7(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,987. [14:20]
BingoBoingo !s parachute [14:26]
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[]bot Bet created: "Russian Ruble to rally to 50 RUB or less per USD before Feb" [14:29]
danielpbarron 11:27 <+thestringpuller> danielpbarron didn't realize you were based in CT. << where you at? [14:30]
BingoBoingo scoopbot -fetch [14:33]
scoopbot New post on by Bingo Boingo: [14:33]
BingoBoingo << Might as well try this again. [14:38]
assbot Spanish CyberSquat Raided in "Counter-Terror" Operation - Slashdot ... ( ) [14:38]
BingoBoingo Appear qntra has the English language scoop [14:38]
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assbot In any disagreement between reality and belief, reality always wins. /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash-assets /Mircea_Popescu /Dawn_Kopecki [14:46]
thestringpuller danielpbarron: i was born in hartford, so it's always gonna be "home" to me on some level. [14:46]
thestringpuller I lived in Windsor until I was 2 then we moved away. [14:46]
thestringpuller i yearn for the day I can return [14:46]
danielpbarron I was born in New Haven, grew up in Deep River and Westbrook [14:46]
mthreat Pepe's pizza! [14:49]
danielpbarron psh, Louis Lunch! [14:50]
mats [14:53]
assbot Network Filter: SECURITY : OPENBSD VS FREEBSD ... ( ) [14:53]
thestringpuller danielpbarron: new haven has some of the best pizza ever [14:54]
thestringpuller new england in general has great pizza [14:54]
thestringpuller now i'm hungry for wilsons pizza... [14:54]
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Luke-Jr mats: I don't know how many people here actually have similar political positions as me.. probably few? [16:07]
BingoBoingo Luke-Jr: You are a needle inside of a haystack, inside of another haystack full of needles [16:08]
jurov Luke-Jr: i really don't know how many people think maintaining blacklists like you do is a good idea [16:14]
jurov prolly not many [16:14]
Luke-Jr heck, even I wish there was a better solution [16:15]
BingoBoingo When Dogecoin a thing, pointing idiots in that direction was a great solution. [16:16]
Luke-Jr it died? [16:17]
mats there isn't a problem, you've contrived a solution to something that doesn't exist and doesn't matter [16:18]
danielpbarron Luke-Jr, yeah along with all the other "cryptocurrencies" [16:19]
assbot The woes of Altcoin, or why there is no such thing as "cryptocurrencies" pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [16:19]
Luke-Jr mats: sticking your fingers in your ears and pretending there is no problem, doesn't help anyone [16:19]
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danielpbarron "does transaction have fee attached?" "yes." "so ok then, it isn't spam." "no, it's still spam." [16:20]
Luke-Jr that non-argument is getting old [16:20]
mats explain how anyone is inconvenienced by 'spam in the blockchain' [16:21]
Luke-Jr mats: lol, seriously? [16:21]
Luke-Jr mats: you're aware 20 GB of the blockchain's 30 GB is spam? [16:21]
mats so? [16:21]
Luke-Jr so that's a lot of people who no longer run a full bitcoin node [16:21]
Luke-Jr and it will keep growing [16:22]
Luke-Jr until only big banks can run Bitcoin [16:22]
mike_c if 30gb is a blocker how long would they have run a node anyway? [16:22]
mats lol. [16:22]
danielpbarron Luke-Jr, so? as long as my bank lets me authorize account actions via GPG, sounds good [16:22]
xanthyos WHOAS [16:23]
mats whats the cost per gigabyte of HDD storage? 0.05USD? [16:23]
mike_c ;;calc 150/4000 [16:24]
gribble 0.0375 [16:24]
mike_c ^ per gb. [16:24]
Luke-Jr yes, let's pretend storage is the bottleneck so we can make it seem trivial. [16:24]
mats this is not a problem, and won't be a problem for as long as the block size remains the same. [16:24]
Luke-Jr sit in #bitcoin for a few days [16:24]
mats storage isn't the bottleneck, and it isn't the concern that's keeping anyone from operating a full node [16:24]
Luke-Jr and watch how many people give up on running a Bitcoin node because it takes so long to sync initially [16:24]
mats the concerns of idiots are not the concerns of people whose opinions matter [16:25]
danielpbarron isn't the bottle neck the block size? and isn't it a good thing that such a thing is limited and therefor has value [16:25]
BingoBoingo [16:25]
assbot dunand comments on Cybersquat Associated with DarkWallet Raided in Spain ... ( ) [16:25]
mats if something as inconsequential as time to sync keeps people from operating a full node [16:25]
mats wait til they realize how annoying it is to maintain the node for years [16:26]
mats you'd do better to work on something that matters, like incentives to operate a node [16:27]
mats ...and relays [16:28]
danielpbarron incentives for nodes don't have to be written into the code [16:28]
jurov i'm running bitcoind fine on $100 minitx mobo with spinning rust hdd.. and it sems to have enough capacity for next 5 years [16:28]
jurov but Luke-Jr insists on pretending there's bottlenecks so he can continue with his powertrip [16:29]
jurov i really don't get the whining [16:31]
jurov "it doesn't fit in my free vps anymore bleeeee".. stfu freeloaders [16:32]
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mats well there you have it. [16:38]
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Luke-Jr it doesn't fit on my phone even with the biggest uSD card available, you insensitive clod [16:44]
Luke-Jr frankly, even if it did, I shouldn't be forced to process spam [16:44]
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mats ill add this to the list of irrational things you believe in [16:51]
Luke-Jr rational* [16:51]
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danielpbarron Luke-Jr's thing is kinda like the real bitcoin foundation's thing, in that they are both attempts to make a more sane node (from the point of view of the author) [16:52]
danielpbarron except Luke-Jr is going about it in the wrong channels (any channel that isn't -assets), but that's probably because there isn't much sympathy for "it isn't fair i'm being forced bla bla bla" in here [16:53]
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ben_vulpes Luke-Jr: bitcoin on your phone? that's phenomenally retarded. [16:56]
Luke-Jr which is exactly why it's a good fit for this channel [16:57]
fluffypony fits on my iPhone [16:57]
fluffypony can't help you if you're poor, although there's always SPV clients for people like you [16:58]
mats there are 128gb sd cards, in the interest of humoring this discussion [16:58]
fluffypony yeah, and I have a bunch of 64gb microSD cards [16:58]
mats but yes. be less poor. [16:58]
fluffypony I use them on my GoPro H4's just fine [16:59]
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