Forum logs for 14 Mar 2013

Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
deadweasel also, it's just software. you ever seen 100% bug free software? [00:00]
deadweasel not me [00:00]
mircea_popescu yes, i have. [00:00]
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mircea_popescu do you want to see some ? [00:00]
benkay deadweasel i imagine you see mostly pretty buggy software [00:01]
mircea_popescu this windows worldview is intolerable by now. [00:01]
mircea_popescu "o, we just shit in the code because really, who cares" [00:01]
jurov why do the girl (or/and you) insists going into such arguments? that's excellent the bait for taking the debate away from core points [00:02]
deadweasel benkay mayhab I did, mayhab I didn't [00:02]
mircea_popescu in this cause because wuille's lie needs to be excised. [00:02]
jurov arguing who did or did not solve anything brilliantly or ducttape [00:02]
mircea_popescu they try to maintain the client above the spec. this shall not stand. [00:02]
mircea_popescu and they need to understand that they are kinda dumb. i dunno why they've not got it this far, but... [00:03]
mircea_popescu it might be all the fanboism [00:03]
jurov yes, spec+compliance tests. personal performance is tangential [00:03]
mircea_popescu it may be tangential technically. there are significant political concerns involved here. [00:03]
mircea_popescu let's just say the forum is not the github [00:04]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.57499999 BTC [+] [00:04]
mircea_popescu deadweasel [00:04]
mircea_popescu let me know when yo ufind a bug. [00:04]
deadweasel how much are they paid? [00:05]
mircea_popescu if i fuck a girl and she sucks at it [00:05]
mircea_popescu and i tell her that and her response is that question [00:05]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.7 = 1.4 BTC [-] [00:05]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.7 = 1.4 BTC [-] [00:05]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.695 = 1.39 BTC [-] [00:05]
mircea_popescu does this make me think she was actually any better than i originally thought ? [00:05]
deadweasel you've lost me [00:06]
mircea_popescu you take a girl out, right ? [00:06]
deadweasel i'm just curious how big the dev team is and what their budget is. [00:06]
mircea_popescu ah, i read an implication there. [00:06]
mircea_popescu the dev team is about six people (it does not include Luke-Jr, tho he keeps trying to pretend he's a dev) [00:07]
jurov i mean, what's the objective? getting devteam to admit their process sucks? then such argument misses the objective (albeit narrowly), cause it's aimed to people, not to process [00:07]
mircea_popescu they aren't paid, except for gavin, who is probably not paid anything much at all. [00:07]
mircea_popescu the foundation collected about half a million dollars which that conman from ycombinator controls [00:07]
mircea_popescu and will probably constitute the scamdrama of this summer. [00:07]
mircea_popescu jurov the objective is to illuminate the very rotten structure of their arguments. [00:07]
jurov i doubt this approach. you ought to decide whether you want to educate or get things done [00:10]
jurov not conflate it together [00:11]
mircea_popescu could this be extended to read "you ought to decide whether you want to run mpex, educate or get things done"? [00:11]
jurov whatever. as long as you know what ur doing [00:12]
mircea_popescu well, i hope i do and that's the best you can possibly get. [00:12]
mircea_popescu but if those who get things done don't educate, who will ? those who don't ? we;ve seen the results of that one heh. [00:12]
smickles so, it has come to this [00:13]
jurov those who will be left behind will educate themselves, as usual [00:13]
mircea_popescu smickles not quite so cut and dried yet, [00:13]
smickles this being 3:13 pm [00:13]
smickles ;D [00:13]
mircea_popescu i suspect past the original shock a good chunk of them ppl are actually reasonable in the head. [00:14]
jurov smickles, what? [00:15]
smickles jurov: what what? [00:15]
jurov that 3:13pm ... at least add the proxy, i confirmed t working via , too [00:15]
smickles $proxies [00:16]
mpexbot smickles: ["", "", "", ""] [00:16]
jurov ["", "", "", "", ""] [00:16]
mircea_popescu can has ipv6 [00:16]
smickles $proxies GPv6MV5E [00:17]
mpexbot smickles: ["", "", "", "", ""] [00:17]
smickles wait, did i just nix one of them? [00:17]
smickles oh what did i just do? [00:18]
mircea_popescu lol [00:18]
mircea_popescu you resolved it by proxy ? [00:18]
jurov noooo ipv6proxy is just testing site [00:18]
smickles one sec [00:18]
jurov is the business [00:18]
kakobrekla ;;ticker [00:19]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 46.75723, Best ask: 46.95000, Bid-ask spread: 0.19277, Last trade: 46.95000, 24 hour volume: 49142.94060722, 24 hour low: 43.75080, 24 hour high: 47.29500, 24 hour vwap: 46.23022 [00:19]
mircea_popescu the calm. this is impossible [00:19]
mircea_popescu no 30% swings in a day ? waht sort of bitcoin is this! [00:19]
jurov someone click that $1m button quickly [00:19]
smickles $proxies DfwUaFTD [00:20]
mpexbot smickles: ["", "", "", "", ""] [00:20]
smickles !!! [00:20]
jurov facepalm [00:20]
jurov smickles, why not use the list i supplied? [00:20]
mircea_popescu smickles count the dashes baby [00:21]
smickles $proxies Dsc5KCB9 [00:21]
mpexbot smickles: ["", "", "", "", ""] [00:21]
jurov thanks! [00:21]
smickles jurov: i did, i messed up by pasting just the sig [00:21]
mircea_popescu :D [00:21]
smickles w/o the message [00:21]
mircea_popescu i feel better nao [00:21]
mircea_popescu deposits flushed btw [00:22]
mircea_popescu [00:24]
mircea_popescu ajhaha [00:25]
mircea_popescu this guy lmao [00:25]
benkay what does that mean? [00:25]
mircea_popescu wannabe mpoe-pr, w/o the tits, w/o the spit&grit ? [00:25]
mircea_popescu benkay that. [00:25]
benkay what do you mean by "flushing deposits"? [00:26]
mircea_popescu a. mpex deposits and withdrawals are processed manually. [00:26]
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kakobrekla he throws the coins in the toilet and flushes [00:27]
mircea_popescu that means a queue builds [00:27]
kakobrekla bye bye [00:27]
mircea_popescu ta-daa [00:27]
benkay i've always wondered why you do the deposits by hand [00:27]
benkay instead of depositor-unique receipt addresses [00:27]
mircea_popescu benkay there was exactly one bitcoin business unaffected by bitcoindev idiocy [00:27]
mircea_popescu guess which. [00:27]
assbot [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 15 @ 0.1 = 1.5 BTC [+] [00:27]
kakobrekla thats why withdrawals have been deprecated on mpex [00:27]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.57 = 1.71 BTC [-] [00:28]
mircea_popescu hint : no, it wasn't those that trust them, like btc-guild. [00:28]
benkay i understand withdrawals. [00:28]
mircea_popescu you should understand deposits by the example i just gave. [00:28]
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benkay are you talking about mpex deposits into customer addresses? [00:28]
mircea_popescu ... [00:29]
smickles benkay: manual withdrawals protect the customer, manual deposits protect mpex (maybe) [00:29]
mircea_popescu (sometimes) [00:29]
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benkay i don't really get why incoming funds need to be processed by hand [00:30]
jborkl Lol, withdrawals have been deprecated [00:30]
benkay not trying to say you're doing it wrong. trying to understand why you do it the way you do. [00:30]
mircea_popescu but think, benkay. version .8 comes out. the chain is split [00:31]
mircea_popescu okpay gets a deposit in [00:32]
mircea_popescu it is then doubplespent on the other chain [00:32]
mircea_popescu the other chain inexplicably prevails [00:32]
mircea_popescu okpay is out 12k [00:32]
benkay >.< [00:32]
smickles ug, who's brilliant idea was it to have an installation video and skip the text version [00:32]
benkay thanks for thinking for me. [00:32]
mircea_popescu heh. yw. [00:32]
mircea_popescu smickles sounds like something godaddy would do. [00:33]
benkay different question, mp: why u no do depositor-unique addresses for mpex deposits? [00:33]
smickles I should do that and make a video of the text 'RTFM' with a link [00:33]
assbot [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 30 @ 0.1 = 3 BTC [+] [00:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.575 BTC [+] [00:34]
mircea_popescu benkay what would be the benefit iyo ? [00:34]
assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C490N] 9 @ 0.2 = 1.8 BTC [+] [00:34]
benkay not having to identify deposits by amount. [00:34]
mircea_popescu suppose evil person X makes a payment to mpex. [00:35]
kakobrekla ya but one key with large sum is way cooler! [00:35]
mircea_popescu mpex later pays out to innocent person y. [00:35]
mircea_popescu taint analysis idiots prosecute person y because clearly taint analysis proves he's x. [00:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00599987 = 1.8 BTC [+] [00:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 141 @ 0.00599987 = 0.846 BTC [+] [00:36]
assbot [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 8 @ 0.1 = 0.8 BTC [+] [00:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.75 BTC [+] [00:37]
smickles all hail the romainians for protecting us from idiot juries [00:37]
mircea_popescu this is just an edge example, there's tons of others just as good really. [00:38]
benkay hm. [00:38]
mircea_popescu testing for inbound is a few degrees of magnitude easier with fixed address [00:38]
benkay so: nail me to the wall on this one, wouldja? [00:38]
benkay i've been thinking about generating completely unique receipt addresses for each funding action [00:39]
benkay s/completely/moderately [00:39]
mircea_popescu eh [00:39]
mircea_popescu how's something moderately unique ? [00:39]
benkay they're all descended from the same keypair [00:39]
mircea_popescu a okay [00:39]
benkay quibble accepted [00:39]
benkay generating new receipt addresses for each funding action [00:40]
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benkay mostly for convenience on the backend [00:40]
benkay doesn't address blockchain forking, granted. [00:40]
mircea_popescu stop worring and just explain the idea [00:40]
benkay oh [00:40]
benkay customer hits funding page [00:40]
benkay new address generates [00:41]
benkay sends funds [00:41]
benkay we tie address to user account [00:41]
benkay wait for confirmations on spend to new address [00:41]
benkay credit account [00:41]
mircea_popescu you are vulnerable to a particularly nasty dos attack [00:41]
mircea_popescu i could just ask you generate addresses, bloat your wallet to 5gb [00:41]
benkay *nod* [00:42]
mircea_popescu as we know, devteam hasn't mastered the mysteries of configuring berkley [00:42]
mircea_popescu i on the other hand haven't mastered the mysteries of spelling berkeley [00:42]
mircea_popescu benkay but anyway, that's how bitbet does it. [00:42]
smickles ha! you make spelling errors too! [00:42]
mircea_popescu i don't think it's fundamentally evil or anything. [00:43]
mircea_popescu wnrog smiglez [00:43]
kakobrekla well you limit the damage [00:43]
kakobrekla that can be caused [00:43]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.57 = 1.14 BTC [-] [00:44]
assbot [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 30 @ 0.1 = 3 BTC [+] [00:44]
assbot [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.1999 BTC [-] [00:45]
assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P430T] 500 @ 0.07993896 = 39.9695 BTC [-] [00:45]
benkay is it necessarily true that the wallet has to bloat? [00:47]
benkay can't you spend from the master key? [00:47]
kakobrekla [00:47]
benkay jonathan assia also says interesting things on the bitcoinx dev list [00:48]
midnightmagic the dev team effectively includes luke-jr, and a massive amount of work he has done makes it into bitcoind [00:48]
mircea_popescu you have to keep the privkeys of all adresses you receive btc in [00:48]
mircea_popescu for as long as you keep the btc there [00:48]
dub dont people tend to generate a lot of addresses in advance fot his type of thing? [00:48]
mircea_popescu midnightmagic may i direct you to bitcoin.orgh [00:49]
mircea_popescu dub yes. [00:49]
benkay ah, so that's how it works today. [00:49]
midnightmagic mircea_popescu: Whatever it says there is irrelevant if a huge amount of his work makes it into the codebase. [00:49]
benkay what i really want is bip0032 addresses [00:49]
mircea_popescu midnightmagic listen up : you folks don't get to change things just by power of friendship which is magic. [00:50]
mircea_popescu lukejr would love to be a developer, but he's mostly a useless contributor. [00:50]
midnightmagic mircea_popescu: I have no idea what you're talking about now. [00:50]
mircea_popescu that's ok, it comes in time. [00:50]
mircea_popescu most people need about six months. [00:50]
midnightmagic even the stuff he does that doesn't make it in provides backdrop for the stuff that does. [00:50]
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mircea_popescu his overall impact on bitcoin is net negative. [00:50]
midnightmagic mircea_popescu: Have you considered the possibility that he himself is not interested in being listed on ? [00:51]
mircea_popescu and if you don't like hearing it from me, ask gavin. [00:51]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla pretty cool. [00:52]
jurov still repeating the "unfunded opensource project" mantra [00:52]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.565 = 1.13 BTC [-] [00:53]
mircea_popescu heh. [00:53]
mircea_popescu "give us more money so coinlab can float it on top of whatever it gets from users" [00:53]
mircea_popescu "but we can't finance anything useful because bitcoin" [00:53]
mircea_popescu anyway, i wouldn't deign jgarzik's crossposted crap with much attention. [00:54]
mircea_popescu he wants to talk, he'd better sit his sweet ass down and talk. [00:54]
mircea_popescu this posturing and delusions of self importance will simply bring them more asskicking. [00:54]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.56 = 1.12 BTC [-] [00:55]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.5500001 = 2.2 BTC [-] [00:56]
midnightmagic mircea_popescu: Have you ever considered the possibility that, if you want to actually convince people, being less ascerbic is vastly more effective than more? [00:56]
mircea_popescu have you ever reviewed my record ? [00:56]
mircea_popescu i wouldn't bet much on the future of anyone that thinks they can stand up to my acerbic. but hey, your money, your vote. [00:57]
midnightmagic This is a people issue I bring up, not a by-rights issue. Are you actually interested in persuasion, or just in ranting angrily because.. why? [00:57]
mircea_popescu i am not interested in persuasion. [00:58]
mircea_popescu i am interested in splitting any group into two, the sensible and the worthless [00:58]
mircea_popescu and then crushing the worthless. [00:58]
midnightmagic Then what is your purpose? Division? [00:58]
mircea_popescu if people have enough sense, they'll persuade themselves. [00:58]
smickles wtf captcha! [00:58]
smickles i just filled out a captcha, got it wrong [00:58]
smickles the next one says "almost sucker" [00:59]
dub you are clearly not human [00:59]
mircea_popescu smickles it's why i never do that, fucking hell i get them wrong half the time [00:59]
midnightmagic Reasonable humans will be turned off why your acidity. Are you seriously interested in attracting angry raging psychopaths? [00:59]
midnightmagic Much of what you're saying is precisely what the microcash guy was saying. [00:59]
mircea_popescu midnightmagic i am interested in attracking ACTUAL reasonable people, as opposed to the self proclaimed variety. [00:59]
dub and since there is a distinct lack of reasonable humans involved in bitcon dev... [00:59]
mircea_popescu dub there's plenty of self proclaimed reasonable people there [01:00]
jurov midnightmagic can you name some of the angry raging psychopaths that were attracted to mp? [01:00]
mircea_popescu who sat on an unconfigured db setup for 4 years [01:00]
mircea_popescu very fucking reasonable. [01:00]
mircea_popescu jurov lukejr! [01:00]
midnightmagic jurov: I have seen this happen before with RealSolid. [01:00]
mircea_popescu nowait! [01:01]
mircea_popescu i mean eskimoblob! ciuciu! etc! [01:01]
mircea_popescu midnightmagic you should at some point consider that the similarities you perceive are more a function of dirt on your lens than actual object of observation. [01:01]
jurov lol my question was understood the other and third way around [01:01]
mircea_popescu similarities are by definition subject to this suspicion. [01:01]
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midnightmagic So build the alternative already. Hire the cryptographers, coders, project managers, QA staff, and release engineering departments you think are so cheap and visionless on their own. If you think this alternative will win, build it and let it win. [01:04]
mircea_popescu why exactly do you feel the need to advise ? [01:05]
midnightmagic Why exactly do you feel the need to divide? [01:05]
mircea_popescu "you people fucked up" "please stop telling us we fucked up because : [01:05]
mircea_popescu 1. it is not nice [01:05]
mircea_popescu 2. you shouldn't be telling us this [01:05]
mircea_popescu 3. you should be doing somerthing else [01:05]
mircea_popescu 4. yo momma [01:05]
mircea_popescu etc [01:05]
mircea_popescu you call this reasonable ? dude, srsly. just becasuse your friends tell you you're pretty doesn't make you easier on the eyes than the average shaved donkey butt [01:06]
benkay project managers [01:06]
midnightmagic Since when did I call the bitcoin devs reasonable? [01:06]
benkay burn with fire [01:06]
mircea_popescu so what's your argument ? [01:07]
midnightmagic I said, "reasonable humans will be turned off..." [01:07]
midnightmagic Obviously the devs themselves aren't going to bother participating in your alternative. [01:07]
mircea_popescu who, specifically ? [01:07]
midnightmagic Whoever it is you think will make your attempt at dividing bitcoin successful. [01:07]
midnightmagic Presumably *not* insane psychopaths. [01:07]
mircea_popescu you are telling me about the minute characteristics of a set you can't let alone define other than by reference to me, but even nominally identify in no matter how small a part ? [01:08]
mircea_popescu wouldn't this be by definition something i'd know better than you then ? [01:08]
midnightmagic You are the one who claimed you are interested in dividing bitcoin, and on one side "ACTUAL reasonable people". You are the one who defined it. [01:08]
mircea_popescu and i am not dividing bitcoin, for that matter. [01:08]
mircea_popescu no, i made no such claim. [01:09]
midnightmagic Again, the difference here is that I am actually trying to communicate, and you are trying to be contradictory. [01:09]
mircea_popescu bitcoin is NOT the group of idiots that identify with it [01:09]
midnightmagic 15:59 < mircea_popescu> midnightmagic i am interested in attracking ACTUAL reasonable people, as opposed to the self proclaimed variety. [01:09]
mircea_popescu and bitcoin is not divisible. [01:09]
midnightmagic ^^ What's that then? [01:09]
mircea_popescu what i am doing is i am dividing the group of bitcoin supporters, by taking away bitcoin. [01:09]
midnightmagic .. from the current developers, presumably? [01:10]
mircea_popescu the reasonable will follow. the "they think are reasonable" will continue in the sort of fanboish obscurity they enjoy. [01:10]
mircea_popescu bitcoin has no developers atm, for that matter. [01:10]
mircea_popescu just some kids drowning in code. [01:10]
mircea_popescu they're kids because their window to man up and "we fucked up, yes" has by now closed. [01:10]
mircea_popescu they're drowning in code for quite obvious reasons i won't rehash. [01:11]
midnightmagic And users who "support" them. Including the biggest exchange, most of the smaller exchanges, the major developers, the cryptographers who review the work done, the pools who secure the blockchain, and the hardware builders springing up to do so who have already made strong ties with the *current* development team. [01:11]
mircea_popescu the "biggest exchange" is written in php, [01:11]
mircea_popescu had 500 second lag during a light trade day [01:11]
mircea_popescu and just gave its us market away to a patent scam. [01:11]
mircea_popescu tyvm. the approximate sum value of your list is epslion. [01:11]
midnightmagic So is Facebook, isn't it? [01:11]
mircea_popescu exactly. [01:11]
mircea_popescu you're welcome to stick with facebook. [01:12]
mircea_popescu i'll go with bitcoin. [01:12]
midnightmagic I'm saying, "PHP is bad" is just another form of "no true scotsman" [01:12]
mircea_popescu and if you think the pools are currently securing anything you're pretty much in the raging psychopath group yourself. [01:12]
mircea_popescu what has the successful attack recently demonstrated ? [01:12]
kakobrekla that btc is headless [01:13]
midnightmagic Lots of things. I can't possibly imagine which subset of the whole you are referring to. [01:13]
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mircea_popescu yaya. mkay. [01:13]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.72 BTC [+] [01:13]
mircea_popescu i note you picked the stylistical out of that list. do address the lag and the other point sometime. [01:13]
midnightmagic I'm not going to defend the bitcoin developers. I'm just interested in what motivates your incredible.. determination.. to rant and attack so endlessly. [01:15]
benkay you might want to read polimedia [01:15]
mircea_popescu my motivation is to state the truth. [01:15]
benkay you know [01:15]
benkay do some research [01:15]
midnightmagic benkay: How helpful of you. I bow to your mighty helpfulness. [01:16]
kakobrekla trilema needs .edu domain [01:16]
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mircea_popescu moar like .xxx [01:17]
benkay if you're being sarcastic, I don't parse sarcasm online. [01:17]
kakobrekla eudxxx [01:17]
mircea_popescu .edu is for things that don't change anything. [01:17]
mircea_popescu eduxxx ftw! [01:17]
midnightmagic benkay: How helpful of you. I bow to your mighty helpfulness. [01:17]
benkay ah [01:17]
mircea_popescu someone should make htsp and then have inane specifications [01:17]
midnightmagic mircea_popescu: Look, I'm telling you dude. The more you rant, the more you are going to alienate people who would otherwise be much more interested in supporting your point of view. [01:18]
benkay midnightmagic: have you read polimedia? [01:18]
mircea_popescu no dude. you are telling me that some vanitous idiots would like the benefit of claiming we're friends [01:18]
mircea_popescu but witout having to put in any work. [01:18]
mircea_popescu thing is... i couldn't care less about this. [01:18]
midnightmagic mircea_popescu: You don't have to be friends with someone to engage in civil discourse. [01:18]
mircea_popescu i am engaging in very civil discourse,. [01:19]
mircea_popescu the problem is that some people ran off with their c++ hairball implementation of what they call civil discourse [01:19]
mircea_popescu i never got the spec and i never started caring. [01:19]
midnightmagic mircea_popescu: And I know of no examples of people who are interested in the Badge: "I tell everybody I'm mircea's friend and reap benefits thereby." [01:19]
midnightmagic mircea_popescu: I would say, good on you for ignoring those people. [01:20]
mircea_popescu midnightmagic read bitcoin-dev sometime. it's chockfull. [01:22]
midnightmagic It is for those exact reasons why the need is great for heterogency in client implementations. Thus, I say you should do it. Create an alternative implementation and go for it. [01:22]
mircea_popescu i am not creating any implementation [01:22]
mircea_popescu jesus fucking christ! dude! SPECIFICATION FIRST [01:22]
mircea_popescu what the hell is wrong with everybody [01:22]
midnightmagic Then do it. Do the work that the devs can't or won't, and build the spec. [01:22]
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midnightmagic That's part of what a devteam does. [01:22]
mircea_popescu more's the point, can you read c++ ? [01:23]
midnightmagic Can I? [01:23]
mircea_popescu i am asking. [01:23]
midnightmagic Yes. [01:23]
mircea_popescu do you want to summarize bitcoin code ? [01:23]
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midnightmagic As you are so fond of saying, hire the braindead monkeys who can do it *for* you for the peanuts you say they're worth, and have them do it. [01:24]
mircea_popescu so i'm takingthat as a sort of up and down and all about no. [01:24]
midnightmagic I am not interested in working on that project, if you are offering me a job. [01:24]
mircea_popescu so then what are we talkin' about. [01:24]
mircea_popescu you just bored at work or something ? [01:25]
midnightmagic Are you? [01:25]
mircea_popescu sigh. mkay. [01:26]
midnightmagic I know you have trouble when people talk back to you and all, but geez man. At a certain point, don't let the concorde fallacy trap you into pursuing a dead end. [01:28]
jurov midnightmagic you think writing spec from code is work for mokyes? [01:29]
jurov monkeys? [01:29]
assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P370T] 100 @ 0.03402633 = 3.4026 BTC [-] [01:29]
midnightmagic jurov: I'm not. He says so all the time. Perhaps you should take benkay's advice. [01:29]
jurov midnightmagic you revealed your gaping incompetence in this area then [01:29]
mircea_popescu midnightmagic i have trouble when people talk back ?! [01:29]
mircea_popescu seriously midnightmagic, i think you're abstracting your past history of interaction with who knows who and painting it on me. [01:30]
midnightmagic jurov: Still the rhetorical master I see. [01:30]
mircea_popescu as far as i know we've never met. [01:30]
jurov midnightmagic, I still lack concrete examples. Names. [01:30]
jurov Either the "reaging idiots" who supposedly are attracted to mp [01:31]
midnightmagic mircea_popescu: I have no idea what you're getting at. [01:31]
mircea_popescu i am getting at this : [01:31]
jurov Or the "reasonable people" that would be supportng him "if..." [01:31]
mircea_popescu if you spend your childhood living among white people, abnd being told niggers are to be identified by x y z and they do k l m things, [01:31]
midnightmagic jurov: Your English still needs work. My verb tense in context was indicative of that-which-happens-from-here-on. [01:31]
mircea_popescu you are bound to misbehave wehn confronted with actual black people. [01:31]
midnightmagic jurov: I dunno actual names. It's irrelevant to the point. [01:32]
kakobrekla O_o [01:32]
mircea_popescu just so, it'd seem to me, you've been told how to identify independent thought, and what great evil it is, and now when you discover it in the actual world you immediately jump to the conclusion tis evil. [01:32]
Luke-Jr midnightmagic: O.o? [01:32]
jurov midnightmagic, so there was not the case in the past? what is the problem then? [01:32]
mircea_popescu tis not evil. [01:32]
midnightmagic Luke-Jr: hello. I hope all my statements including you were correctly inferenced as rhetorical device and not assertions of fact. [01:33]
mircea_popescu lmao [01:33]
midnightmagic mircea_popescu: I am not afraid to be civil. Why are you? [01:34]
mircea_popescu lol. [01:34]
mircea_popescu you know, girl wants to get married. after tears have washed pointlessly about the room, her new line becomes "why are you affraid of commitment" [01:34]
mircea_popescu i'm not affraid of commitment bitch. i just don't care for your definition of it. [01:34]
midnightmagic mircea_popescu: I assert you are, have been, and will likely continue to be uncivil and discourteous. [01:35]
mircea_popescu being civil is not a formal concern. it does NOT mean not calling people idiots. if indeed they are idiots then that's that, verity proof. [01:35]
mircea_popescu beingcivil is a fundamental concern. [01:35]
mircea_popescu people who lie by presenting the mining corruption as "consensus", they are being uncivil. [01:36]
mircea_popescu and on a related point, you don't go to heaven by never saying "jesus sucks" etiher. [01:36]
benkay what do you mean by "mining corruption"? [01:36]
midnightmagic That is an English definitional nuance which you are assuming, but which is not reality. [01:36]
mircea_popescu benkay do you know how the most recent fork was resolved ? [01:36]
benkay sort of; devs said "use 0.7" and everyone did [01:36]
mircea_popescu midnightmagic that dispute as to reality will have to come to my grave. [01:36]
mircea_popescu benkay what more do you need ? [01:36]
midnightmagic Aumann's agreement theorem I guess. [01:37]
mircea_popescu stalin said "everyone vote" and evertyone did. what democratic process is this ? [01:37]
benkay heh [01:37]
mircea_popescu well ? [01:37]
benkay how many times do you think they can pull it off? [01:37]
mircea_popescu but ok, i can understand it happening. [01:37]
benkay 1? [01:37]
benkay infinity? [01:37]
mircea_popescu i CANT uinderstand it being passed for what it's not [01:37]
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mircea_popescu in an ultimately doomed effort to prop the dirt as respectable. [01:37]
benkay that's just politics though [01:37]
midnightmagic Gah.. dude.. your weird sayings aren't translating so well. [01:38]
mircea_popescu well that's unfortunate for them because i happen to be better at politics than they're at coding. [01:38]
mircea_popescu benkay anyway the effort is to make sure it's 1. [01:38]
benkay i say < 3 [01:38]
benkay no [01:39]
benkay less than or equal to [01:39]
mircea_popescu or better yet 5 [01:39]
mircea_popescu 19 [01:39]
mircea_popescu 42. [01:39]
mircea_popescu definitely. [01:39]
benkay not saying should [01:39]
benkay but offering a wager [01:39]
mircea_popescu i get it. [01:39]
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Luke-Jr midnightmagic: I didn't understand the context :P [01:39]
midnightmagic Luke-Jr: I was just asserting that the amount of work you do in bitcoind essentially makes you a bitcoin developer, even if your name isn't on [01:40]
BitHub hey guys did you get your ASICMINER div as well? [01:40]
jurov Luke-Jr: don't sweat, me too, he sounds serious but in the end it's all just hypothetical [01:40]
mircea_popescu Luke-Jr he's somehow bothered with everyone mocking you for trying your damnest to pass yourself off as a dev [01:41]
mircea_popescu when you're a sort of glorified taaki [01:41]
mircea_popescu ie, the floor washer. [01:41]
midnightmagic Luke-Jr: I also proffered the possibility you didn't want your name up there on purpose, to outline our collective ignorance. [01:41]
Luke-Jr midnightmagic: I got that, but .. why did it matter? XD [01:41]
midnightmagic Luke-Jr: I dunno why he started ranting about you. But he gets upset when I don't address each of his points individually. [01:42]
Luke-Jr midnightmagic: I don't see it as something worth my time arguing a case for. [01:42]
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benkay has anything in this conversation? [01:42]
Luke-Jr in other news [01:43]
Luke-Jr err [01:43]
Luke-Jr wrong link XD [01:43]
Luke-Jr [01:43]
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mircea_popescu glwt. [01:43]
BitHub ahhh Luke, going there to pick it up? [01:43]
BitHub excited? [01:44]
Luke-Jr BitHub: not sure if I'll pick it up or let them ship it [01:44]
Luke-Jr although I guess they might be expecting me to take it with me [01:44]
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mircea_popescu actually just the time to get a box of fans. [01:45]
BitHub are you kind of going there to confirm it all? [01:46]
dub heh [01:47]
BitHub so you'll pretty much be teh first person with a bfl? [01:47]
mircea_popescu this will be so epic [01:47]
dub BitHub: yes re: AM div btw (sorry for the on-topic interlude people) [01:49]
BitHub nice dubs [01:49]
BitHub this weeks seemed the highest yet [01:49]
dub yeah, enjoy, next week is the last [01:50]
BitHub what? [01:50]
dub of this magnitude [01:50]
mircea_popescu ya wut ? [01:50]
BitHub WHAT? [01:50]
BitHub serial? [01:50]
Luke-Jr BitHub: I'm mainly going there to make sure BFGMiner is ready to go (shipping on the MiniRigs) [01:50]
BitHub nice [01:50]
dub catfriedrice said next weeks will fullfil the 'pay out 0.1 first' requirement, which seems about right, so next divs will be half less more expenses [01:51]
BitHub ahh ghey [01:51]
BitHub good time to sell then [01:52]
mircea_popescu !ticker btct asicminer-pt [01:52]
assbot [BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 0.695 / 0.70412 / 0.724998 (285 shares, 200.7 BTC), 7D: 0.65 / 0.71126 / 1 (1286 shares, 914.7 BTC), 30D: 0.65 / 0.6947 / 1 (1763 shares, 1224.8 BTC) [01:53]
mircea_popescu such a blown stock. [01:53]
benkay i know that and i'm not even holding any [01:53]
BitHub hmmm [01:53]
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assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P370T] 1000 @ 0.03383499 = 33.835 BTC [-] [01:56]
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benkay in other news, loud black humans in snack car [01:56]
benkay ruin my train trip why doncha [01:56]
benkay PLUS COUNTRY [01:56]
benkay sheesh. [01:56]
mircea_popescu i like country. [01:56]
benkay which? [01:57]
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mircea_popescu i dunno, cash [01:59]
dub duelling banjos [02:00]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.72 = 1.44 BTC [+] [02:00]
BitHub willie nelson? [02:00]
mircea_popescu turkey in the straw if you count it [02:00]
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mircea_popescu i dunno that i've listened to much of that guy. [02:01]
sevenWiabores hello [02:01]
BitHub he blazes alot [02:01]
mircea_popescu sevenWiabores hi [02:01]
benkay ^^ very important information [02:01]
benkay ;) [02:01]
BitHub haha [02:01]
sevenWiabores who are you mircea_popescu, your nick sounds very familiar [02:01]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.721337 = 3.6067 BTC [+] [02:02]
mircea_popescu i am mircea popescu. how about you ? [02:02]
benkay (to finish that story, the best part was the really uptight black guy staring at the loud negroes) [02:02]
assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P390T] 500 @ 0.0453858 = 22.6929 BTC [-] [02:02]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.724869 BTC [+] [02:02]
benkay (i just told them i could block out high dB convserations or music but not both) [02:02]
mircea_popescu ok willie nelson kinda sucks,. [02:02]
dub continuing the wtfality of bitcoin asset universe [02:02]
mircea_popescu or at least his cover of blue eyes cryin' [02:03]
dub doom projected for AM profits in varios places == increased demand [02:03]
mircea_popescu benkay lol why so passive-agressive [02:03]
sevenWiabores I am just nobody, but I am pretty sure I saw your name somewhere... I am new to the bitcoin world and I am not familiar with the who's who [02:03]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.724869 = 2.1746 BTC [+] [02:03]
mircea_popescu dub this is becominga tradition. [02:03]
benkay hardly passive aggressive for the pacnw [02:03]
jurov gonna organize am shorting [02:04]
jurov in fact i didn't list anything new on bitfunder for some time [02:04]
mircea_popescu sevenWiabores i run mpex. [02:04]
benkay spent much time in this corner of the us, mircea_popescu? [02:04]
mircea_popescu alternatively, some people don't like me. they run things into the ground. [02:04]
dub jurov: can you convince Ukto to make it render in firefox? [02:04]
mircea_popescu benkay which corner is that ? [02:04]
sevenWiabores aah, I see. ohai :) [02:04]
benkay northwest [02:04]
dub jurov: buttfunder that is [02:04]
mircea_popescu sure, i lived like a year in lowell, mass [02:04]
jurov dub, you mean misplaced buy/sell boxes? [02:04]
Ukto make what render? [02:04]
dub make the market link visible [02:05]
LameCoin- mircea are you from romania or US your english is american? [02:05]
mircea_popescu o nm, you said west. [02:05]
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Ukto where is it not visible? [02:05]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 152 @ 0.00599987 = 0.912 BTC [+] [02:05]
mircea_popescu LameCoin- im from romania, but i've lived all over. [02:05]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 80 @ 0.00599987 = 0.48 BTC [+] [02:05]
dub on the front page [02:05]
LameCoin- mircea where did you like it best [02:05]
mircea_popescu costa rica, probably. [02:05]
LameCoin- a friend of mine is from timisoara [02:05]
mircea_popescu land of eternal spring. [02:05]
Ukto dub: hm. you dont see it in the top left? [02:05]
mircea_popescu it does get boring, but very slowly. [02:06]
dub Ukto: sometimes I do [02:06]
Ukto 'View asset market' [02:06]
Ukto sometimes? [02:06]
Ukto what browser? [02:06]
dub Ukto: depends on teh machine/browser im on [02:06]
mircea_popescu dub this is like the most halpful bug reporting ever [02:06]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 30 @ 0.72489 = 21.7467 BTC [+] [02:06]
dub ff is the failing one [02:06]
dub well its been reported before [02:06]
mircea_popescu how do you know lol [02:06]
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Ukto what version? I hadnt seen it lol [02:06]
benkay mircea_popescu: why did you choose to live in romania? [02:06]
Ukto 17.0.1 works fine [02:06]
LameCoin- for the women [02:06]
mircea_popescu back in 2007 it became obvious the us is sinking. didn't want to be on that part of the world. had to go somewhere. [02:07]
jurov Ukto if you resize the width to around 1000-1100px [02:07]
LameCoin- timisoara is nice its different then the rest of romania [02:07]
jurov the view asset bar hides [02:07]
Ukto ahhhh [02:07]
Ukto i see that [02:07]
dub 19 here, pretty sure it was broke in some previous, goat was having problems a few days ago too [02:07]
mircea_popescu LameCoin- it's closer to vienna than bucharest indeed. [02:07]
Ukto yeah, i will get it fixed. [02:07]
Ukto thanks guys [02:07]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.72489 = 1.4498 BTC [+] [02:08]
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Ukto oh, i see why [02:08]
Ukto the top bar spans 2 lines and covers it [02:08]
mircea_popescu BDB bug ? [02:08]
LameCoin- mircea: do you think that fork could have been the end of bitcoin? [02:08]
mircea_popescu LameCoin- that fork itself could have festered if anyone ddosed the attacking pool. [02:08]
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mircea_popescu but not really. the burried problems that caused the fork however most definitely will end btcoin if unadressed. [02:09]
LameCoin- i really dont like these alternates like litecoin inflating the money supply [02:10]
mircea_popescu you will have to learn to live with competition. [02:10]
mircea_popescu it's as unavoidable as rain. [02:10]
benkay i'm not even convinced we've converged on a codebase [02:11]
mircea_popescu certainly are not. [02:11]
mircea_popescu just the butthurt when somebody finally says, wait, you think you people matter ?! [02:11]
mircea_popescu is ample proof this wasn't even seriously considered, let alone settled. [02:11]
LameCoin- the development team became to obsessed thinking they are economists and philosophers [02:12]
LameCoin- nerds should never be given any type of authority [02:12]
mircea_popescu when they're barely qualified to write code. but anyway : [02:12]
Ukto hm, i think I will just move terms and conditions to the footer [02:12]
mircea_popescu preparing for the "too big to fail" arguments, it'll be a warm summer. [02:13]
Ukto its wasting too much space [02:13]
LameCoin- mircea what do you mean? [02:13]
BitHub some of these guys aren't qualified? [02:13]
BitHub kind of like getting the airport janitor to fly the plane no? [02:13]
benkay oh be nice [02:13]
mircea_popescu LameCoin- i mean that's what's coming next, "guise our shit has taken too much blood sweat and tears to be abandoned and we should forever wallow in it" [02:13]
benkay turbine blade engineer [02:13]
benkay still should not fly plane. [02:14]
LameCoin- are you suggesting they wont repair the problems? [02:14]
mircea_popescu that's what midnightmagic means by concorde fallacy : the mistaken idea that the current codebase is useful because it cost people a lot of money through all the bugs it pushed on them so far. [02:14]
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LameCoin- why cant someone else develop it? [02:14]
mircea_popescu LameCoin- they would if they could. so far their consensus seems to be they're not smart enough to do it. [02:14]
Bowjob [02:14]
Bowjob True story ^. [02:15]
mircea_popescu lol [02:15]
mircea_popescu i learned about it when it was 15. bought like 1k worth [02:15]
BitHub maybe everyone should pitch in a lil btc to pay teh pros [02:15]
mircea_popescu then it was 2 for a while. [02:15]
Bowjob I told my friend about it [02:15]
LameCoin- bowjob: nobody ever buys bottoms [02:15]
Bowjob now he's like.. can I buy $300 worth? [02:15]
LameCoin- bowjob: less then 0.1% of bitcoiners actually held coins from $2 to $50 [02:15]
Bowjob I'm like.. no. I can sell you $100 [02:16]
Bowjob well [02:16]
midnightmagic It is applicable to that idea, were it true, yes. [02:16]
Bowjob it would be nice if you missed all the crashing [02:16]
mircea_popescu LameCoin- got a figure ? [02:16]
Bowjob This was when BTC started from 13 to 50 rally [02:16]
Bowjob it was 17 when i mentioned it [02:16]
LameCoin- mircea it works the same for any bull market, 1983-2000 dow jones 75% of the public didnt even participate one bit [02:16]
mircea_popescu midnightmagic do you have the figure for "how much unencrypted wallet.dat" cost ? [02:16]
LameCoin- everyone got in 1999 [02:16]
Ukto dub: there, problem fixed [02:17]
mircea_popescu LameCoin- this is true. i'm just saying, i think a lot more people held btc than .1% [02:17]
LameCoin- from $2-50 ? [02:17]
midnightmagic mircea_popescu: Do you have the figure for how much the encrypted wallet.dat has cost? [02:17]
mircea_popescu LameCoin- yes. [02:17]
dub Ukto: <3 [02:17]
LameCoin- i doubt it go read on bitcoin talk how many sold out after 20-30% gains hoping to buy back in [02:17]
mircea_popescu midnightmagic sadly power-ranger team has not the time to do any auditing or reporting, so no. [02:17]
LameCoin- the 10-20 move everyone sold [02:17]
Bowjob Theres this dude who forgot he had a wallet.dat with lots of coins [02:17]
mircea_popescu Bowjob you mean bitcoinica ? [02:17]
Ukto I was tired of seeing that link up there anyways. [02:18]
jurov Ukto, did you test it in chrome? [02:18]
Bowjob nah, it was a single person [02:18]
Bowjob he gave away 350 BTC to reddit users [02:18]
mircea_popescu LameCoin- do you mean .1% by headcount or by coincount ? [02:18]
Bowjob i got 5 btc from that stash [02:18]
Ukto jurov: just did [02:18]
midnightmagic mircea_popescu: Always the insults. And how does derogatory statements that are purely derogatory fit under the "telling the truth" umbrella you were espousing earlier? [02:18]
Bowjob i assume he had thosands [02:18]
jurov in konqueror+webkit it still does hide [02:18]
Ukto is the terms still at the top ? [02:18]
mircea_popescu midnightmagic point of fact is, the only way we know how much implementing it cost is by devteam saying "we spent 5 hours doing this" [02:18]
jurov but that's fringe browser, never mind [02:18]
jurov no term si on bottom [02:19]
Ukto but it acts the same? 0,o [02:19]
Ukto i will try to check it a bit later [02:19]
LameCoin- mircea: from my studies of markets, it is very very rare that anyone participates in a huge move [02:19]
Ukto have to get konqueror [02:19]
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midnightmagic mircea_popescu: Were you referring to how many bitcoins were lost due to a wallet being easily stolen by a hacker? [02:19]
mircea_popescu LameCoin- markets in general or bitcoin ? [02:19]
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mircea_popescu midnightmagic yes. [02:19]
Ukto either way, thanks for letting me know guys. mucho appreciato. :) [02:19]
mircea_popescu lol appreciato [02:19]
LameCoin- mircea: considering herding applies to all markets, even bitcoin just go read how many missed the boat on the latest rally over on the forums its astonishing [02:19]
mircea_popescu donde esta la zapatoria! [02:20]
jurov Ukto, just get webkit anything, like chromium. konqueror pulls half of kde in. [02:20]
mircea_popescu LameCoin- it's a weak supposition this, linear generalisation from fiat to bitcoin markets. we're still working at getting the hang of this [02:20]
LameCoin- how many in here rode bitcoin from $2 to 50 [02:20]
mircea_popescu there's a lot of paradoxical movement (dub was referring one of the more documented types recentyl) [02:20]
LameCoin- or even 10 to 50 [02:20]
mircea_popescu i held over 10k from 2 to 50. [02:20]
mircea_popescu significantly over 10k. [02:20]
midnightmagic mircea_popescu: So tell me after all these months of vitriol.. how successful have you been at dividing bitcoin into "actual reasonable people" and "worthless" people? [02:21]
mircea_popescu i know for a fact i'm not the only one. [02:21]
mircea_popescu midnightmagic months ?! [02:21]
mircea_popescu fork was yesterday dawg. [02:21]
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LameCoin- mircea if you take a poll of channel you will find it to be a small % [02:21]
midnightmagic You've been hating on the devs for far longer than that. [02:21]
mircea_popescu have not. quote. [02:21]
midnightmagic Uh. Okay. [02:22]
LameCoin- midnightmagic: well he has a point, the devs have turned into economists and politicians, they are suppose to be coders [02:22]
LameCoin- midnightmagic: nerds love to give themselves excessive credit when they percieve something going their way [02:22]
mircea_popescu LameCoin- i know at least a coupla people here who held, so it'd be above 1% for sure :) [02:22]
midnightmagic LameCoin-: I have no idea how you'd even show that without your hypothesis instantly falling to contradiction. [02:23]
mircea_popescu midnightmagic you still got any coins minted a year or two ago ? [02:23]
LameCoin- mircea: what type of market cap are you realstically expecting for bitcoin [02:24]
midnightmagic mircea_popescu: Continue as though I do. [02:24]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 2 / 119 [02:24]
gribble 0.0168067226891 [02:24]
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mircea_popescu there lamecoin, 1.6% [02:24]
midnightmagic 1.7.. [02:24]
mircea_popescu im generous, give him his .1% :p [02:24]
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mircea_popescu LameCoin- re the mkt cap : [02:25]
mircea_popescu ;;google flexibility inflexibility trilema [02:25]
gribble Voluntary contracts, after a while. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: ; "bernanke put" and the fed's trilemma - Pragmatic Capitalism: ; External factors and Philippine monetary policy - Bank for ...: [02:25]
mircea_popescu the bah [02:25]
mircea_popescu [02:25]
mircea_popescu i'd better start remembering at least the motherfucking titles. [02:26]
LameCoin- 14k per coin is enough to support a 50 trillion dollar global economy assuming everyone uses nothing but bitcoin [02:26]
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LameCoin- so we can assume thousands per coin are not really realistic [02:27]
mircea_popescu ... [02:27]
dub LameCoin-: remember we can divide the coins further [02:28]
LameCoin- the current world has a base money supply of about 4 trillion [02:28]
mircea_popescu LameCoin- notional derivative trade is literally boundless. [02:28]
LameCoin- thats not money [02:28]
jurov dub, that could end up akin to "oh we can add some bits to internet address later" [02:28]
mircea_popescu if it settles in bitcoin it doesn't even matter if the world uses zimbabwe dollars. [02:28]
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mircea_popescu jurov it definitely will, [02:29]
mircea_popescu but that's a minor point comparing to the other hairs sticking out of the code [02:29]
dub jurov: it'd require a fork yea [02:29]
dub one would hope it isnt going to require as many forlifts as your example [02:30]
LameCoin- the balance of macroeconomic power will never shift from the west in our lifetime [02:30]
mircea_popescu LameCoin- it's shifted already, forget it. [02:30]
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mircea_popescu "the west" is a bit player. [02:31]
LameCoin- mircea: how so? can you name any innovations/products you actually use from the east? [02:31]
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mircea_popescu products are not the point. you were discussing macroeconomy. [02:31]
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dub forklifts* [02:31]
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BitHub rice [02:31]
LameCoin- the east has nothing to offer to be honest [02:31]
mircea_popescu to you. [02:31]
mircea_popescu the problem seems to be you're mingling a lot of assumptions crafted for comfort into your estimations. [02:31]
LameCoin- china with 1.6billion people has *0* worldwide brands [02:32]
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LameCoin- the only ones they have were purchased from the west ie lenovo [02:32]
mircea_popescu LameCoin- because by "worldwide" you count a pool of 2-300mn people nobody cares abnout. [02:32]
BitHub who needs brands when ya making money [02:32]
mircea_popescu fact is, the us has zero worldwide brands in the sense that china has baidu and doesn't care about google. [02:32]
LameCoin- bithub but they arent making money [02:32]
LameCoin- most asian companies have aweful ROI [02:32]
mircea_popescu o boy. [02:32]
BitHub is that why they own most of usa's debt? [02:33]
mircea_popescu dude. macroeconomy! balance of trade! [02:33]
LameCoin- bithub: thats because they recycle it through debasement of their own currency [02:33]
mircea_popescu 0.0 [02:33]
LameCoin- mircea: the balance of trade in the EU is positive. [02:33]
BitHub west isn't even using m-wallets or m-commerce yet [02:33]
mircea_popescu the stakes just got too high for my blood in this convo. [02:33]
LameCoin- the US balance of trade is mostly energy [02:33]
LameCoin- asians are running modern day versions of mercantalism [02:34]
LameCoin- they think the way to prosperity is subsidizing exports in order to accumulate intrinsically worthless dollars [02:34]
BitHub don't hate [02:35]
LameCoin- read what happend to the british when they believed in mercantalism [02:35]
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BitHub we're making money over ere [02:35]
LameCoin- once again, most asians firms have absolutely aweful ROI's [02:35]
BitHub asia baby [02:35]
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BitHub buying up usa's debt [02:36]
LameCoin- if the balance of power was shifting to the east we would all be using asian brands and praising asian innovations [02:36]
LameCoin- none of that is occuring [02:37]
mircea_popescu every item you currently use was made in asia. [02:37]
LameCoin- only low end manufacturing comes out of china [02:37]
mircea_popescu your asian cultural masters slapped an american looking label on it [02:37]
LameCoin- mircea: wrong, only the lowest tech [02:37]
mircea_popescu and you're superficial enough for that to work. [02:37]
BitHub haha [02:37]
LameCoin- the largest exporter in the world per capita is actually germany [02:37]
BitHub its true, its a good trick [02:37]
mircea_popescu even when it came to it, asian firms delivered mining asics [02:37]
mircea_popescu american firms are still suckingtheir thumb. [02:38]
LameCoin- they didnt innovate them [02:38]
LameCoin- they only were capable of producing them [02:38]
BitHub but they delivered them [02:38]
BitHub what's blf doing again? [02:38]
Bowjob not shipping [02:38]
LameCoin- because they have low end manufacturing capability [02:38]
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BitHub asking for more money? [02:38]
LameCoin- put it this way [02:38]
LameCoin- when mercedes builds a 100k vehicle in a day [02:38]
LameCoin- an asian manufacturer has to produce a months worth+ of low end trinkets [02:38]
LameCoin- to exchange for the good [02:39]
LameCoin- asian productivity is extremely low [02:39]
mircea_popescu dude. srsly. [02:39]
mircea_popescu bitcoin is mined on asian designed, asian produced, asian delivered asics. [02:39]
mircea_popescu forget it already, you're running with a dead horse. [02:39]
BitHub mtgox is in asia now btw [02:39]
BitHub lulz [02:39]
LameCoin- yea japan [02:39]
mircea_popescu inb4 "japan is really just further west" [02:40]
LameCoin- japans entire manufacturing infrastructure was developed from western instruction after WW2 [02:40]
BitHub nah i dont really care i love both the west and asia [02:40]
LameCoin- they just excell at implementation [02:40]
LameCoin- again 0 innovation [02:40]
mircea_popescu sigh. [02:40]
BitHub they both got great girls [02:40]
LameCoin- name a product innovated from japan? [02:41]
Bowjob anime [02:41]
Bowjob sushi [02:41]
BitHub fuji [02:41]
mircea_popescu "it's not a worldwide brand" [02:41]
Bowjob gundams [02:41]
BitHub bukakke [02:41]
LameCoin- all electronics were EU tech, that the japanese perfected [02:41]
Bowjob bukakke noodles are delicious [02:41]
mircea_popescu pasty-ass kids just jack off to it that's all. [02:41]
BitHub used ladies panty vending machines [02:41]
Bowjob ps1,2,3, and 4 [02:41]
Bowjob yeah i forgot about that [02:41]
BitHub handjob machine [02:41]
Bowjob live sushi [02:42]
BitHub the shaw brothers [02:42]
Bowjob where they serve live fish [02:42]
mircea_popescu Bowjob sony is not a global brand stfu [02:42]
LameCoin- as i stated before, if asians were going to rule we would be in awe at all the asian brandsinnovations around us [02:42]
BitHub kill bill [02:42]
Bowjob lol [02:42]
LameCoin- fact is none of them exist [02:42]
BitHub you're just racist LameCoin [02:42]
BitHub jealous of asia or something [02:42]
mircea_popescu more like ostrichist [02:42]
dub asia survive with brute force, they add little value overwall [02:42]
LameCoin- im just stating its a myth that the east is taking anything over [02:42]
Bowjob they invented engrish as well [02:42]
LameCoin- dub: exactly [02:42]
mircea_popescu dub typical scotsman argument. [02:43]
mircea_popescu this is like saying mpex doesn't add value because css. [02:43]
mircea_popescu things don't work that way, you don't get to define what value is. [02:43]
BitHub its like saying the scottish and welsh and irish add no value to britian [02:43]
LameCoin- the only value asia added was providing cheap manufacturing facilities [02:43]
dub all of these tech innovators you ascribe have higher suicide rates in their sweatshops than american unemployment [02:43]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 6 @ 1.75 = 10.5 BTC [+] [02:44]
LameCoin- there are no tech innovators coming out of asia [02:44]
dub it will cease to scale at some point [02:44]
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mircea_popescu dub and maybe that's a good thing. [02:44]
LameCoin- its only primitive manufacturing [02:44]
LameCoin- they dont even have the capacity for advanced manufacturing ie germany style [02:44]
mircea_popescu dude omfg stop with the bs already [02:44]
mircea_popescu all harddrives in the world are made in the same azn river bank [02:44]
LameCoin- how is it bs? [02:44]
mircea_popescu when that floods the price doubles. [02:44]
LameCoin- yea and? [02:44]
mircea_popescu all memory is made there. all semiconductors are produced in asia [02:45]
LameCoin- putting a HD together is LOW end manufacturing [02:45]
mircea_popescu you're from a different future. [02:45]
LameCoin-!*@* added to ignore list. [02:45]
BitHub who needs to innvoate when you can rip everything off [02:45]
dub thats edge case shit, they produce tech because we did the maff and worked out it was cheaper to let them do it [02:46]
BitHub isn't that what Hollywood did to John WOO? [02:46]
mircea_popescu myea. [02:46]
mircea_popescu the first step to own your master is copy him. [02:46]
mircea_popescu Ukto [02:47]
BitHub every good 90's action hollywood film wouldn't exists if they didn't rip off HK cinema [02:47]
mircea_popescu coingenuity [02:47]
mircea_popescu are you like, being attacked or something ? [02:48]
BitHub yeah till 97 [02:48]
BitHub i remember [02:48]
BitHub and the west offers shitty products you don't need? [02:49]
BitHub like shake weight [02:50]
dub like spray on cheese and tube fish [02:51]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.72489 BTC [+] [02:52]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.72489 BTC [+] [02:52]
Ukto thanks mircea_popescu [02:52]
assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 10 @ 0.00999 = 0.0999 BTC [+] [02:55]
Namworld [20:52] i think the worst thing that can happen to bitcoin is inflation of money supply through many pointless forks being created [03:01]
Namworld what do you mean? There's many forks and they're mostly valueless [03:01]
kakobrekla > trusted BitcoinTalk member < theres such thing?? [03:03]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla i trust people on there to deliver prime comedy [03:07]
kakobrekla man you always know how to short it. [03:08]
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dub a_meteorite: because bitcoin [03:09]
dub what teh fuck [03:09]
dub LameCoin-: ^ [03:09]
dub LameCoin-: because bitcoin idiots (perhaps more dconcise) [03:10]
dub I swear my typing really isnt this bad, make way less errors on local terminals, im blaming synergy [03:11]
mircea_popescu blame sensodyne integrated node. [03:12]
dub I'd blame the corporate notwork except it happens at home too [03:13]
dub because they got their bitcoin selling guns on SR [03:15]
mircea_popescu $mpexlag [03:15]
mpexbot mircea_popescu: 0.110910892487 seconds [03:15]
assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P370T] 900 @ 0.03297065 = 29.6736 BTC [-] [03:17]
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kakobrekla this one is going nice too;topicseen#msg1622255 [03:18]
kakobrekla no more margin on 1broker, icbit it lost in space [03:18]
mircea_popescu Actually there is a closing trade fee now for April and later contracts! [03:19]
mircea_popescu They added that in an attempt to force people out of their positions rather than just sitting on them; they claim it'll aid liquidity. Greedy. [03:19]
mircea_popescu lmao [03:19]
mircea_popescu basically... they fixed the site to stop cheating after i slapped them last year [03:19]
mircea_popescu but tht didn't make much money [03:19]
mircea_popescu so... [03:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 5 @ 1.7999 = 8.9995 BTC [+] [03:20]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 3 @ 1.8 = 5.4 BTC [+] [03:20]
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kakobrekla while bit4x traded over 50mio units on fx :p [03:22]
kakobrekla its gonna get a lot wilder with dbtc [03:22]
mircea_popescu what's that, 5mn usd notional ? [03:22]
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kakobrekla hm id have to check dat [03:23]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 16 @ 0.72489 = 11.5982 BTC [+] [03:32]
assbot [MPEX] [X.IDIFF.JUN] 2 @ 0.3 = 0.6 BTC [+] [03:33]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.724999 = 2.9 BTC [+] [03:33]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 0.724999 = 4.35 BTC [+] [03:34]
jborkl so asicminer market cap is approx 13 million usd.:( [03:36]
BitHub is that bad? [03:36]
BitHub should i sell? [03:37]
jborkl didnt we already see that show ,didnt it start with g and end with a s [03:37]
kakobrekla gas? [03:37]
jborkl reruns are kinda boring [03:38]
BitHub good times? [03:38]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 5 @ 1.8 = 9 BTC [+] [03:39]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.8 = 3.6 BTC [+] [03:39]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 22 @ 0.725 = 15.95 BTC [+] [03:40]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 29 @ 0.7679 = 22.2691 BTC [+] [03:41]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.7679 = 1.5358 BTC [+] [03:43]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 23 @ 0.7679 = 17.6617 BTC [+] [03:46]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.768 = 3.84 BTC [+] [03:49]
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mircea_popescu !ticker btct [03:51]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [03:51]
assbot I haven't understood a single word you've said since I met you, not one single word. [03:51]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.03104, Best ask: 47.18000, Bid-ask spread: 0.14896, Last trade: 47.18000, 24 hour volume: 49293.76971465, 24 hour low: 44.80000, 24 hour high: 47.35000, 24 hour vwap: 46.58184 [03:51]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.769999 BTC [+] [03:51]
mircea_popescu !ticker btct asicminer-pt [03:51]
assbot [BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 0.695 / 0.7171 / 0.768 (437 shares, 313.4 BTC), 7D: 0.65 / 0.71809 / 1 (1361 shares, 977.3 BTC), 30D: 0.65 / 0.69841 / 1 (1915 shares, 1337.4 BTC) [03:51]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 46.58184 * 400000* 0.69841 [03:52]
gribble 13013289.1498 [03:52]
mircea_popescu 13 on the dot! [03:52]
mircea_popescu !ticker m s.dice [03:52]
assbot [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00515 / 0.00597371 / 0.00599987 (976 shares, 5.83 BTC), 7D: 0.00413 / 0.00526468 / 0.006 (140672 shares, 740.59 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00613969 / 0.0069 (2440740 shares, 14,985.40 BTC) [03:52]
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mircea_popescu ;;calc 46.58184 *100000000 * 0.00613969 [03:52]
gribble 28599805.723 [03:52]
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mircea_popescu moar! [03:52]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7679 BTC [-] [03:52]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.57 = 1.14 BTC [+] [03:53]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 3 @ 1.83 = 5.49 BTC [+] [03:56]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 9 @ 0.769999 = 6.93 BTC [+] [03:56]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 13 @ 0.77 = 10.01 BTC [+] [03:56]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 20 @ 0.77 = 15.4 BTC [+] [03:56]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 10 @ 0.00579 = 0.0579 BTC [+] [03:57]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.77 BTC [+] [03:59]
assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 60 @ 0.2599 = 15.594 BTC [+] [04:00]
mircea_popescu The Obama administration is drawing up plans to give all U.S. spy agencies full access to a massive database that contains financial data on American citizens and others who bank in the country, according to a Treasury Department document seen by Reuters. [04:03]
mircea_popescu le lol. [04:03]
BitHub fuck mircea [04:04]
BitHub i think they decided to give up on google and apple [04:04]
BitHub and just go after the citazens again and get their taxes [04:04]
mircea_popescu yawell [04:05]
BitHub alot of USD bitcoiners about to get fucked [04:06]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.77 BTC [+] [04:08]
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assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P390T] 1000 @ 0.04438197 = 44.382 BTC [-] [04:09]
Diablo-D3 heh I guess asicminer is going weekly dividends [04:09]
BitHub some of these companies its hardly worth risking 50btc every month to get a lil div. [04:10]
Diablo-D3 BitHub: asicminer is the only company I'm really trusting atm [04:12]
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BitHub want to buy some more of their shares? [04:12]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.725 = 2.9 BTC [-] [04:13]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.725 = 1.45 BTC [-] [04:13]
BitHub i'm looking for a 1btc each exit [04:13]
BitHub lil high [04:13]
BitHub bbs, pm me d3 if intrested. [04:14]
Bowjob [04:14]
Bowjob Sell buttocins according to this dude [04:14]
Diablo-D3 BitHub: not interested at this time [04:15]
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assbot [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 75 @ 0.00688 = 0.516 BTC [+] [04:19]
assbot [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 22 @ 0.00688 = 0.1514 BTC [+] [04:22]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 10 @ 0.000705 = 0.0071 BTC [+] [04:24]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 6 @ 0.00579 = 0.0347 BTC [+] [04:26]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 4 @ 0.000706 = 0.0028 BTC [+] [04:27]
ThickAsThieves anything interesting happen today? [04:29]
mircea_popescu notrly [04:30]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 27 @ 0.000707 = 0.0191 BTC [+] [04:30]
assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P390T] 750 @ 0.04420293 = 33.1522 BTC [-] [04:33]
Troic well, etoro wants to join the fun but report all back to govt, old poker news rehashed, +ve bloomberg coverage and that malta fund thingy has new cringetastic site. [04:35]
mircea_popescu Troic apt summary. [04:35]
kakobrekla [04:37]
assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 2 @ 0.2599 = 0.5198 BTC [+] [04:40]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 240 @ 0.00569985 = 1.368 BTC [-] [04:54]
assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P410T] 600 @ 0.05846793 = 35.0808 BTC [-] [04:54]
Bowjob ;;ticker [04:57]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.68902, Best ask: 47.68943, Bid-ask spread: 0.00041, Last trade: 47.68901, 24 hour volume: 49887.21742911, 24 hour low: 45.00000, 24 hour high: 47.68901, 24 hour vwap: 46.70191 [04:57]
Bowjob gearing up for $48 woo [04:57]
Namworld Damned... [04:58]
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Bowjob i look forward to the day I can pay with some of my expensive meals with 0.1 BTC [04:59]
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Namworld eheh [05:01]
Namworld For now it affords some fastfood snack [05:01]
Bowjob yeap [05:03]
Bowjob [05:03]
Bowjob my friend [05:03]
Bowjob lol [05:03]
Bowjob true story [05:03]
dub whats and expensive meal? [05:03]
Bowjob 3 [05:03]
Bowjob $200, for 2 person [05:03]
Bowjob thats my average price [05:04]
dub I was gonna say $200 for 1 is starting to get pricey [05:04]
Bowjob its for 2 [05:04]
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dub though one of my regular haunts has $1/gram steak minimum 200g [05:05]
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dub thats just he steak too, sides/sauce etc is extra [05:05]
Bowjob if its $1 a gram, it better be kobe beef [05:05]
Bowjob not some americanized wagyu steak [05:05]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1 @ 0.00599986 BTC [+] [05:05]
dub its wagyu [05:05]
Bowjob from where tho [05:06]
dub I want to say australia but I can't remember [05:06]
dub might be japan [05:06]
Bowjob theres a ban on export of kobe beef [05:06]
Bowjob so it cant be from japan [05:06]
Bowjob most likely australia or america [05:06]
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dub paid $1500 for a table of 5 a little while ago, with plenty of booze [05:07]
Bowjob actually, i got my info wrong japan lifted the ban on kobe beef [05:08]
Bowjob but it's still ultra rare in north america [05:08]
Bowjob i had american wagyu, it was delicious.. I wanna try the real thing one day [05:09]
mircea_popescu pork ftw. [05:09]
dub pork is shit [05:09]
dub even type-o's can't process that shit properly [05:10]
ThickAsThieves honestly i dont miss meat at all [05:12]
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dub y u no eat meat? [05:18]
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benkay aww blacktape where u goins? [05:18]
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dub my buddy has a good excuse 'I don't eat anything that has to shit' [05:18]
benkay there u iz. [05:18]
ThickAsThieves for every reason really [05:20]
ThickAsThieves also smoked cigs for 10 yrs and quit [05:20]
ThickAsThieves just stuff i dont need or want [05:21]
ThickAsThieves anymore [05:21]
ThickAsThieves on to new vices [05:21]
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dub I kicked smoking and most drugs [05:21]
dub none of my vego friends are particularly healthy [05:22]
dub they still shitty food [05:22]
ThickAsThieves i'm no supermodel, but thats mostly cuz i'm on the computer too much [05:22]
dub eat* [05:22]
ThickAsThieves doc says i'm fine [05:22]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.55 = 3.3 BTC [-] [05:23]
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ThickAsThieves anywho [05:23]
ThickAsThieves i think BFL will ship this month [05:23]
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dub because they are flying Luke-Jr out to make the software work? [05:24]
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dub given that they have not reached out to ask upgraders to return fpgas I doubt it [05:25]
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assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 3 @ 0.0055 = 0.0165 BTC [-] [05:26]
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assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 50 @ 0.005 = 0.25 BTC [-] [05:27]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 449 @ 0.005 = 2.245 BTC [-] [05:27]
benkay hey mircae_popescu: what will your new method for getting order id's out to brokers be? [05:34]
benkay i'm reading your feb 2013 "innards" post [05:34]
benkay and how does that manifest as a significant pain point? i haven't noticed a significant lag between when people post orders and when the pastebin goes up [05:34]
mircea_popescu im not sure what the question is [05:42]
benkay hang on [05:42]
benkay It doesn’t currently even know what id that order will receive in the trade engine, which is even more inconvenient for brokers that handle multiple customer accounts (but we’re working on a way to significantly mitigate this, which will be the next major update barring exigent necessity). [05:43]
benkay so a) what is new method [05:43]
benkay and b) not really a question but this is a pain point for people? just wait ten seconds for order id to get returned. [05:44]
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coingenuity mircea_popescu: yeah, lots of crazy people [05:46]
mircea_popescu coingenuity is it an organised effort is my question [05:46]
coingenuity mircea_popescu: no idea, i work 20 hour days so i dont really pay attention to forums [05:47]
coingenuity mircea_popescu: as far as i'm concerned, there's nothing of note to read there anyway... just a bunch of bitcoin-tabloid type topics bout nothing :/ [05:47]
mircea_popescu coingenuity i have people paid to pay attention and i have people paid to man the watchtowers for me. [05:48]
mircea_popescu paranoia ftw. [05:48]
mircea_popescu benkay superficially it is not a problem, but on the old system (before the previous upgrade) there existed windows of a few minutes between when the trade engine executed and when the web proxies reported. [05:48]
kakobrekla wtf is this horse shit [05:48]
mircea_popescu on one occasion this window was like one hour [05:48]
mircea_popescu it obviously couldn't go on. [05:49]
mircea_popescu the solution basically allows the person putting in the order to compute a hash of it and then identify it in their execution reports. [05:49]
benkay neat! [05:49]
benkay also thank you. [05:50]
mircea_popescu at the present time it only works if your order hits the book [05:50]
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mircea_popescu i am considering expanding it to work both ways and fully identify trades but there's also performance issues to consider and a whole keboodle. [05:50]
mircea_popescu anyway. working on it as they say. [05:50]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla lol continued support [05:52]
dub pokey as in Magical Pokey Usagi? [05:53]
kakobrekla and whats with the people funding fiat investments with bitcoin [05:53]
kakobrekla are they brain dead [05:53]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla yes, well... [05:53]
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benkay meh. let brokers track their own orders. [05:57]
mircea_popescu well ideally they should, but [06:02]
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Ukto [21:21] i think BFL will ship this month <-- I see your putting your mouth where your money is. ;) [06:08]
Ukto j/k [06:08]
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kakobrekla Beauxe : Newbie : Re: Bitcoin Businesses and Developers, Let's Get Started! : Today at 04:07:51 AM [06:10]
kakobrekla I have run and started commodity exchanges. I am currently running one and would like to apply our technology and knowledge to bit coin. There is a decent possibility we may be able to list futures and other derivatives around BTC and LTC. Please whitelist me. [06:10]
kakobrekla fuck me. [06:10]
mircea_popescu sigh. [06:14]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla better start with the See here links [06:14]
benkay mircae how did you get into the business of starting an exchange? [06:15]
kakobrekla assbot would say 'you actions are useless' [06:15]
BitHub Bit Coins [06:16]
BitHub heh [06:16]
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benkay smoke break on train! [06:18]
benkay i'm out [06:18]
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mircea_popescu why does he keep calling me mircae [06:20]
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kakobrekla [06:21]
mircea_popescu the day you find there's a new pope from this bitcoi nbetting site you're involved with [06:21]
mircea_popescu ya kakotrolka , i'm sure that's what it is. [06:21]
kakobrekla :) [06:22]
mircea_popescu "our technologies" [06:22]
mircea_popescu people are basically in the middle ages, they;'d like to apply their potions and salves [06:22]
mircea_popescu to bitcoin! [06:22]
mircea_popescu meanwhile im trolling sarah silverman. curious how this goes. [06:27]
BitHub heh really? [06:27]
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mircea_popescu [06:28]
mircea_popescu in my experience nothing burns the retarded left more than pointing out that their bullshit is mostly dreamed up. [06:29]
mircea_popescu i guess it must remind them of their parents or something. [06:29]
BitHub hah maybe she's trolling? [06:29]
BitHub seems like something she would do [06:29]
BitHub nice background pic hehe [06:30]
mircea_popescu a contest! [06:30]
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toffoo any background story behind your twitter wallpaper photo mircea? [06:30]
mircea_popescu i didn't even notice, what's she got ? [06:30]
mircea_popescu a puppy oh [06:30]
toffoo i meant yours [06:30]
BitHub oh i thought it was mircea walking down the street [06:30]
mircea_popescu mkay i guess i grep the logs. [06:31]
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BitHub you know who's fun to troll on twitter? Kanye West [06:31]
BitHub because he'll actually take it serious and reply and go on about it [06:31]
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BitHub she was pretty hot in those seinfeld eps [06:33]
mircea_popescu wait. kayne west is female ?! [06:33]
mircea_popescu toffoo too lazy to grep this monstrous 2mb log. basically, me in mexico walking down the street eatin' chocolates [06:33]
mircea_popescu out of my european caryall [06:33]
BitHub heh duh [06:34]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.56899999 BTC [+] [06:34]
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mircea_popescu it's a dude gtfo [06:34]
BitHub its a gayfish [06:34]
assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P410T] 600 @ 0.05716318 = 34.2979 BTC [-] [06:34]
BitHub [06:35]
BitHub top 5 gayfish moments [06:35]
toffoo "it's not a purse, it's european"? [06:36]
mircea_popescu yeh [06:36]
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nanotube mircea_popescu: update the faq and s/oldkeyid/newkeyid/. you changed it at the top, but oldkeyid persists further down. [06:39]
nanotube the mpex faq, that is. [06:39]
mircea_popescu nanotube yup, it's in process [06:39]
nanotube mk. [06:40]
coingenuity Ukto: hm, bfl? [06:41]
Ukto coingenuity: check your pms [06:41]
Ukto old fart [06:41]
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mircea_popescu 4 line quit message ? that guy should be klined [06:52]
grubles right? [06:53]
mircea_popescu totally. [06:53]
grubles mircea_popescu is there a way you can check if my account is active still [06:54]
mircea_popescu sure [06:54]
mircea_popescu ;;ident grubles [06:54]
gribble Nick 'grubles', with hostmask 'grubles!~buttsniff@unaffiliated/grubles', is not identified. [06:54]
mircea_popescu you'll have to id [06:54]
grubles np [06:54]
grubles ;;ident [06:55]
gribble You are identified as user grubles, with GPG key id DDA96139C85CA43C, key fingerprint E02F7FF6CF582669BB266B53DDA96139C85CA43C, and bitcoin address 1DYVwy7Ru7fJ8HwwoL5VHTUR5jCWG38JPk [06:55]
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mircea_popescu grubles yup. [06:56]
grubles kewl thanks [06:56]
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mircea_popescu !help [07:02]
assbot List of commands: [07:02]
assbot !ticker (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) [07:03]
assbot !mp (desc: returns the response from MPEX order) [07:03]
mircea_popescu !ticker m s.mpoe [07:03]
assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00076706 / 0.00076706 / 0.00076706 (5000 shares, 3.84 BTC), 7D: 0.00067334 / 0.00074201 / 0.00076718 (903469 shares, 670.39 BTC), 30D: 0.00061614 / 0.00069343 / 0.00078628 (45613856 shares, 31,630.07 BTC) [07:03]
mircea_popescu !mp [07:03]
assbot Processing. [07:03]
assbot Response: [07:03]
mircea_popescu ;;ident assbot [07:03]
gribble Nick 'assbot', with hostmask 'assbot!~assbot@unaffiliated/kakobrekla/bot/assbot', is not identified. [07:03]
mircea_popescu ;;ident mpexbot [07:04]
gribble Nick 'mpexbot', with hostmask 'mpexbot!~supybot@unaffiliated/smickles/bot/mpexbot', is not identified. [07:04]
grubles spam [07:04]
mircea_popescu hehe im writing an article [07:04]
mircea_popescu $help [07:04]
mpexbot mircea_popescu: (help [ ] []) -- This command gives a useful description of what does. is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. [07:04]
mircea_popescu $help post [07:04]
mpexbot mircea_popescu: (post ) -- Supply a pastebin paste key containing a signed and encrypted MPEx command. Respondes with a pastebin URL with MPEx's response. [07:04]
mircea_popescu $help vwap [07:04]
mpexbot mircea_popescu: (vwap []) -- Returns a pastebin link with all available market data, excepting depth. If an MPSIC is specified, returns only the data relevant to that MPSIC in IRC. [07:04]
mircea_popescu $help depth [07:04]
mpexbot mircea_popescu: (depth []) -- Returns the full market depth. If an MPSIC is specified, returns only the depth of the specified MPSIC in IRC. [07:04]
mircea_popescu $help proxies [07:04]
mpexbot mircea_popescu: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. [07:04]
mircea_popescu $post ijustmadethisup [07:05]
mpexbot mircea_popescu: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. [07:05]
mircea_popescu orly ?! [07:05]
mircea_popescu $post 12455 [07:05]
mpexbot mircea_popescu: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. [07:05]
mircea_popescu heh. [07:05]
benkay *claps* [07:05]
mircea_popescu $post qU4hTtcP [07:05]
mpexbot mircea_popescu: [07:05]
mircea_popescu $vwap O.BTCUSD.P750T [07:05]
mpexbot mircea_popescu: {u'7d': {u'cnt': u'5', u'min': u'79079695', u'max': u'90144085', u'vsa': u'216644138243', u'vsh': u'2408', u'avg': u'89968495.9481'}, u'30d': {u'cnt': u'33', u'min': u'79079695', u'max': u'153153505', u'vsa': u'3065600173348', u'vsh': u'28783', u'avg': u'106507319.367'}, u'1d': {u'cnt': u'', u'min': u'', u'max': u'', u'vsa': u'', u'vsh': u'', u'avg': u''}} [07:05]
mircea_popescu $depth S.BBET [07:05]
mpexbot mircea_popescu: Bids: ['300 @ 150000', '500 @ 140000', '1000 @ 130000', '1000 @ 120010', '5000 @ 120000'] [07:05]
mpexbot mircea_popescu: Asks: ['300 @ 181000', '500 @ 183000', '1000 @ 185000', '3000 @ 190000', '2210 @ 197000'] [07:05]
mircea_popescu $proxies [07:06]
mpexbot mircea_popescu: ["", "", "", "", ""] [07:06]
mircea_popescu ok sorry for spam everyone, documenting this. [07:06]
benkay dev team thinks tests are silly [07:07]
grubles lul [07:07]
benkay mpex runs tests on production in public [07:07]
benkay wild west i tell you [07:07]
mircea_popescu basically i can't shake this tom green image from my head. [07:07]
mircea_popescu you know what scene when he delivers a baby in the messiest way possible [07:08]
grubles theyre too busy polishing their shiny new avalon asics [07:08]
mircea_popescu and then proceeds to yammer that he "Saved the day" [07:08]
mircea_popescu and "they have a problem with heroes around here" ? [07:08]
grubles tom green was funny when i was in middle school [07:08]
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mircea_popescu grubles which is why he's so adequate in this discussion [07:08]
grubles except freddy got fingered [07:08]
benkay chorus: "go do it yourself!" [07:09]
grubles there can be alternates but they wont have the bitcoin mafia i mean foundation backing them [07:09]
grubles itll just be a fork [07:12]
grubles i think? [07:12]
benkay it's complicated [07:12]
benkay don't worry [07:12]
benkay 51% controls things [07:12]
grubles people will either have to accept one client over another [07:12]
benkay this time the devs convinced the miners to do things their way. [07:12]
benkay this may not always be the case. [07:12]
benkay especially when power begins to concentrate behind people who understand how open platforms are supposed to work [07:12]
benkay or people with lots of money [07:13]
mircea_popescu benkay moreover, especially as people with actual skin in the game start to emerge. [07:13]
mircea_popescu currently the miners are more in it for the bragging rights than for the money [07:13]
benkay not really [07:13]
benkay think cambrian explosion of bitcointech [07:13]
mircea_popescu this makes for a very dysfunctional lord of the flies environment [07:13]
benkay monoculture bad [07:14]
benkay say it with me [07:14]
benkay monoculture bad [07:14]
benkay fragile [07:14]
benkay centralized. [07:14]
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benkay interoperability is typically important [07:16]
benkay but beyond my pay grade tbh [07:16]
benkay slash skill level [07:16]
benkay to comment on that. [07:16]
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benkay also it's *inevitable* that the chain fork and fuck some people eventually [07:17]
benkay people all want reward and no risk [07:17]
benkay best have good tech, homeboy [07:17]
benkay but it's cool for now [07:18]
benkay the people who appreciate well engineered things will quietly keep their shit regular [07:18]
benkay while the rest of the plebnet falls further and further behind [07:18]
benkay till one day [07:18]
benkay fork [07:18]
benkay recreational miners are fucked [07:18]
mircea_popescu this is actually a pretty bad future benkay [07:18]
mircea_popescu and one that is very probable if people stuck to the sort of nonsense evertyone's used to. [07:19]
mircea_popescu but i shall endeavour to break that. [07:19]
benkay no it's a possibility though [07:20]
benkay i think the system is multistable [07:20]
benkay mp wants to drive it to one place [07:20]
benkay devs don't have a vision [07:21]
assbot quest for vision is a great blessing. [07:22]
mircea_popescu i want to drive what where ?! [07:23]
corpsan benkay: lol plebnet [07:24]
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assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 150 @ 0.005 = 0.75 BTC [-] [07:36]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.76 BTC [+] [07:36]
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kakobrekla [07:50]
kakobrekla are they so desperate? [07:50]
BingoBongo Wow, kakobrekla; I thought I was planning something stupid... [07:52]
BingoBongo Today in a moment of weakness I was tempted to register on the WOT and start cloning the late Intrade so I could supply idiots with the Bucketshop that they need [07:53]
kakobrekla what stopped you? [07:53]
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BingoBongo Whiskey Redbulls [07:54]
BingoBongo also trip to the East Side [07:54]
kakobrekla hmm [07:54]
BingoBongo I like brown sugar occasionaly. [07:56]
BingoBongo I'm just trying to figure out how little reserves a "prediction market" needs to really operate... [07:56]
assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P410T] 600 @ 0.05662037 = 33.9722 BTC [-] [07:57]
kakobrekla maybe mircea_popescu can enlighten you [07:57]
BingoBongo Maybe [07:58]
BingoBongo I've read his critique of Intrade [07:58]
BingoBongo Maybe I'm reading wrong which wouldn't be the first time, but it seems like a fair way to separate idiots from their coin. [07:58]
mircea_popescu lol weaksauce bfl. [07:58]
mircea_popescu BingoBongo if you hedge you won't need much. [07:59]
mircea_popescu if you don't hedge you'll go bankrupt. [07:59]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1408 @ 0.005 = 7.04 BTC [-] [08:00]
BingoBongo mircea_popescu I've done bankrupt in the legal liquidation sense before. Surprisingly pleasant. [08:02]
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BingoBongo If your trustee thinks you drink like a certain FPGA shilling Tom they just assume you'll end up in the Salvation Army shelter anyway [08:03]
mircea_popescu maybe you shouldn't operate a prediction market :p [08:04]
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BingoBongo Probably... [08:05]
BingoBongo I can only act so well [08:06]
mircea_popescu lol [08:08]
BingoBongo I'll stick with practicing on established sites that maintain transparency like this [08:09]
mircea_popescu i wonder how many people noticed that the girl's announcement ( ) actually predates the devs' announcement ( ) [08:09]
BingoBongo >=1 [08:10]
mircea_popescu for all the nuts ranting and raving about how inept she is in that thread... [08:10]
BingoBongo Really they need to kill BDB with fire. There is no other way. Gavin doesn't have a way to maintain BDB compatibility in LevelDB. [08:13]
mircea_popescu i don't grok the hate. what's the big deal ? [08:14]
BingoBongo BDB just doesn't play nicely with other databases. [08:14]
BingoBongo There's a lot of quirks. [08:15]
mircea_popescu okay... but i mean, it's old and stable, well tested, much deployed [08:15]
BingoBongo An analogy is how there is no good Postgre fork of WordPress [08:15]
mircea_popescu leveldb is just this google doohickey [08:15]
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BingoBongo it is just a Google doohickey, but it works better and the license is right [08:16]
mircea_popescu alrighty. [08:16]
mircea_popescu tho i think code conservatism may be more valuable. rather use something muchly used than something faster, if those are the only two data points. [08:16]
BingoBongo The problem isn't faster the problem is scalability. SatoshiDice for all I defended it against, with BDB's locking bahavior killed BDB as a bitcoin dependency [08:18]
ThickAsThieves ;;tslb [08:18]
gribble Time since last block: 1 minute and 16 seconds [08:18]
ThickAsThieves ;;bc,stats [08:18]
gribble Current Blocks: 225769 | Current Difficulty: 4367876.000842196 | Next Difficulty At Block: 225791 | Next Difficulty In: 22 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 hours, 20 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4829378.08809 | Estimated Percent Change: 10.56582 [08:18]
BingoBongo ;;asks 1000 [08:18]
gribble There are currently 95281.952 bitcoins offered at or under 1000.0 USD, worth 10346802.3062 USD in total. | Data vintage: 707.1424 seconds [08:18]
ThickAsThieves ;;ticker [08:19]
gribble Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later. [08:19]
mircea_popescu possibly so. [08:19]
BingoBongo ;; asks 5 [08:19]
mircea_popescu i confess to having little clue. [08:19]
gribble There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 5.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. | Data vintage: 753.6468 seconds [08:19]
ThickAsThieves ;;asks 50 [08:19]
gribble There are currently 28952.846 bitcoins offered at or under 50.0 USD, worth 1417409.54359 USD in total. | Data vintage: 769.2750 seconds [08:19]
BingoBongo ;;bids 5 [08:19]
gribble There are currently 264838.33 bitcoins demanded at or over 5.0 USD, worth 6269951.46228 USD in total. | Data vintage: 785.5630 seconds [08:20]
gribble A market order to sell 350000 bitcoins right now would net 6509777.9570 USD and would take the last price down to 1.2000 USD, resulting in an average price of 18.5994 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 912.4385 seconds [08:22]
kakobrekla ;;goxlag [08:22]
gribble Error: invalid syntax (, line 1) [08:22]
kakobrekla tyvm [08:22]
kakobrekla ;;goxlag [08:24]
kakobrekla ;;market sell 350000 [08:24]
gribble Error: invalid syntax (, line 1) [08:24]
gribble A market order to sell 350000 bitcoins right now would net 6509777.9570 USD and would take the last price down to 1.2000 USD, resulting in an average price of 18.5994 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 1030.6224 seconds [08:24]
kakobrekla trading engine is down [08:24]
kakobrekla or smth [08:24]
mircea_popescu mine !? [08:24]
mircea_popescu nm [08:24]
kakobrekla coincidentally im just writing a short report aroud that. [08:24]
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kakobrekla ;;goxlag [08:34]
kakobrekla oh gribble went [08:37]
kakobrekla and im like wtf im ignored? [08:37]
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kakobrekla ;;goxlag [08:38]
gribble 0.219788 seconds [08:38]
mircea_popescu lol [08:39]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.765 BTC [+] [08:49]
mircea_popescu [08:52]
mircea_popescu the latest word in "being an asshole" [08:52]
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mircea_popescu [08:57]
mircea_popescu future italian president ? [08:57]
kakobrekla uhh? [08:57]
kakobrekla do i need to short eurusd? [08:57]
mircea_popescu totally. [08:58]
mircea_popescu both ways. [08:58]
kakobrekla :) [08:58]
BitHub what was wrong with that italian president that has cex with a hooker? [08:58]
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BitHub win? [08:58]
mircea_popescu that she was underage and stupid [08:58]
mircea_popescu and he was over 70 and kinda sleazy [08:59]
BitHub 17 at the time? [08:59]
mircea_popescu ya well, if you factor her mental age into this equation... [08:59]
BitHub ruby [08:59]
BitHub heh what a psycho [08:59]
BitHub i liked how he rigged the recent election [08:59]
BitHub noone says shit [08:59]
BitHub heh [08:59]
BingoBongo Hey, the Lira is still cheaper than quilted Northern [09:07]
Ukto wb BitHub :P [09:07]
BitHub yeah been back for an hour, caught up in cleaning, trolling, hows the testing going? [09:08]
BitHub busted me [09:08]
Ukto hehe [09:08]
Ukto other channel. :) [09:08]
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assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P390T] 750 @ 0.0419584 = 31.4688 BTC [-] [09:38]
mircea_popescu [09:40]
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mircea_popescu Less than 5 per cent of users predicted to be gay, for example, were connected with explicitly gay groups. [09:40]
mircea_popescu there is nowai to hide it now! [09:40]
* BitHub hides in mircea's ass (no homo) [09:42]
mircea_popescu lol [09:43]
mircea_popescu [09:44]
mircea_popescu check out this guy! [09:44]
mircea_popescu scans old archives, finds star system [09:45]
mircea_popescu true hacker. [09:45]
BitHub you better have been luling at me then [09:46]
BitHub that was a good one [09:46]
* BingoBongo starts vanitygen for Firstbits 1LvCunt (emphasizing no homo, because of course) [09:47]
mircea_popescu [09:48]
mircea_popescu also! [09:48]
BingoBongo Depending on how sloppy BBet wants to get could resolve for certain definitions of both resolved and sloppy [09:51]
BingoBongo For a Dupe because the first link was crap [09:53]
mircea_popescu lol at the first of spring [09:53]
BingoBongo Sure [09:54]
BingoBongo It all depends on BBet's definition of publication and the amount of juices BBet has running down there desiring a won house bet. [09:56]
mircea_popescu house bets both ends tho [09:57]
mircea_popescu but anyway, the bet reads that support will be published. nonsuport being published isn't related is it. [09:57]
BingoBongo Ah, so the house proposed that one... [09:57]
mircea_popescu BingoBongo no ? [09:57]
BingoBongo Ah [09:58]
mircea_popescu o hey check it out, twitter [09:59]
BingoBongo Cool [10:00]
assbot [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 10 @ 0.2 = 2 BTC [+] [10:01]
BingoBongo Just think the first graphene took some scotch tape and a #2 pencil [10:01]
assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P410T] 200 @ 0.05561259 = 11.1225 BTC [-] [10:02]
mircea_popescu [10:02]
mircea_popescu by now it's like 8:1 for [10:03]
BingoBongo Isn't Avalon still struggling to get a fraction of the first batch out/ [10:05]
BingoBongo It seems units shipped rather than units blown up is still going to be the deciding factor at the wire [10:06]
mircea_popescu hey kakobrekla some way to link to comments specifically ? [10:06]
mircea_popescu << that last one lol [10:06]
mircea_popescu BingoBongo whodda thunk that right ? [10:06]
kakobrekla click on the username [10:06]
kakobrekla [10:07]
Anduck wtf!!! [10:07]
Anduck why didnt the "before march" bet get any bets :( [10:07]
mircea_popescu a ty! [10:07]
Anduck well, it did get like 20 btc [10:07]
BingoBongo lol, BFL through recklessness might make it this time though [10:08]
mircea_popescu Anduck you kidding ? was like 2k [10:08]
Anduck i mean [10:08]
Anduck the before march 15th [10:08]
mircea_popescu o [10:08]
mircea_popescu dunno [10:08]
kakobrekla too easy [10:08]
mircea_popescu prolly too close ya [10:08]
Anduck [10:08]
Anduck this [10:08]
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Anduck yep [10:08]
Bowjob looks like btc-e is down [10:08]
kakobrekla they annouced 9th [10:08]
kakobrekla so 15th was clear win [10:08]
BingoBongo March 15th was too imaginably close. The 31st though is an inconceivable neverland of miracles. [10:09]
mircea_popescu whoa they eleced a jesuit as pope ?! [10:09]
mircea_popescu this is the end of the world. [10:09]
BingoBongo Yes they did [10:09]
mircea_popescu BingoBongo well put. [10:09]
BingoBongo They elected a Jesuit, so they boy touching is never going away [10:09]
mircea_popescu 'Fruitful mission' [10:10]
Anduck soo close the 15th march bet alrdy? =D [10:10]
mircea_popescu we'll ahve the first impregnated altar boy ? [10:10]
Anduck "Resolution: in 15 hours 51 minutes (15-03-2013)" [10:10]
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BingoBongo Maybe?... [10:11]
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BingoBongo If this channel wan't logged [10:11]
BingoBongo I think BFL might ship something, but probably miss the target [10:14]
Bowjob fans [10:14]
BingoBongo What they ship I don't know [10:14]
Bowjob box of [10:14]
Bowjob meanwhile.. btc-e is down [10:15]
BingoBongo btc-e is crap [10:15]
BingoBongo If it isn't NVC and trades on Btc-e it trades on Vircurex with greater market making opportunities [10:15]
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BingoBongo BTC-E has more volume than Vircurex, but but Vircurex has so many opportunities to trap idiots by using thin Bid/Ask walls. If bitcoin is play money what are these altcoins... [10:19]
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*hanbot* gmorning [10:21]
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assbot [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 520 @ 0.005 = 2.6 BTC [-] [10:28]
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mircea_popescu smickles : if you want some easy btc [10:39]
BingoBongo Already first hit on Google for "trilema blog cat" [10:45]
mircea_popescu haha nice [10:47]
kakobrekla [10:47]
kakobrekla ? [10:48]
mircea_popescu awww! [10:49]
kakobrekla or that counts as a dragon? :) [10:50]
mircea_popescu yeah. [10:50]
mircea_popescu cause there's another one :D [10:50]
kakobrekla well scam. [10:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.55 = 1.65 BTC [-] [10:52]
mircea_popescu lol [10:53]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.54900001 BTC [-] [10:53]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 25 @ 0.549 = 13.725 BTC [-] [10:54]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla [11:02]
mircea_popescu in yo face foo! [11:02]
grubles the 'cat' a euphemism for the female body part? [11:03]
kakobrekla hm? [11:03]
grubles if so there is probably more than one post [11:03]
kakobrekla you deleted the answer or what [11:03]
kakobrekla i couldnt find the button [11:03]
grubles er is 'cat'* [11:03]
kakobrekla dunno [11:03]
mircea_popescu grubles nope [11:04]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla its a diff q [11:04]
kakobrekla ah [11:04]
kakobrekla right [11:04]
kakobrekla i see. [11:04]
grubles mircea_popescu: lies [11:05]
mircea_popescu and yes there's approximately speaking between 5490680 and 59804586 cunts on tyrilema [11:05]
kakobrekla hehe [11:05]
mircea_popescu and also i'm having clam chowder soon [11:05]
grubles mircea_popescu: the red or the white? [11:05]
mircea_popescu white [11:05]
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grubles you get that reference or are you the only romanian that has watched ace ventura [11:06]
kakobrekla cause of the pope? [11:06]
mircea_popescu im takin' that one to my grave. [11:07]
grubles nooooooooooooooo!!!one [11:07]
BingoBongo kakobrakla your bounty on Rugatu is redeemable now [11:08]
kakobrekla my balance is 0 [11:08]
mircea_popescu scam [11:09]
kakobrekla yep [11:09]
kakobrekla for real wtf [11:10]
kakobrekla shoudlnt this be instant? [11:10]
BingoBongo Ah, needs to move from pending to approved. SHould be available in 2 hours, probably... [11:11]
BingoBongo It should be... [11:11]
BingoBongo Instant... [11:11]
kakobrekla O_o [11:11]
grubles i feel like your nick should be bingoboingo [11:11]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla is getting ideas for bitbet [11:11]
BingoBongo He should be... [11:12]
kakobrekla i am? [11:12]
BingoBongo Srsly... [11:12]
mircea_popescu yes, how to make it more like suck [11:12]
mircea_popescu in other news, [11:13]
grubles dat slap [11:14]
kakobrekla is not bad. [11:16]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.769998 BTC [+] [11:30]
BingoBongo Does this count for the second scavenger hunt [11:32]
kakobrekla id say you hit the motherload. [11:35]
kakobrekla imma gonna have to translate it [11:35]
assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 100 @ 0.00999 = 0.999 BTC [+] [11:37]
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wh1t3r4bb1t Send me around the world on bitcoins only so I can document it and make a movie [11:39]
BingoBongo wh1t3r4bb1t where are you starting from? [11:39]
wh1t3r4bb1t Antarctica [11:40]
BingoBongo I'm afraid your best bet is to spin around in a circle... I'm afarid the price to drag my Saturn down there is a bit too steep... [11:41]
wh1t3r4bb1t I will zig zag around the world proving that you do not need anything but bitcoin to survive. [11:41]
wh1t3r4bb1t No saturn [11:41]
wh1t3r4bb1t Only boats trains and planes [11:42]
wh1t3r4bb1t no cars [11:42]
wh1t3r4bb1t or trucks [11:42]
wh1t3r4bb1t maybe a bicycle here and there [11:42]
Anduck selling asicminer @ 0.78 [11:43]
BingoBongo wh1t3r4bb1t It seems you underestimate the ability my plastic Saturn L-series sedan has shown to swim in the past... [11:45]
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mircea_popescu BingoBongo nah, actually that's rabbit [11:59]
mircea_popescu (3rd commenter even identifies it correctly) [11:59]
kakobrekla hmm [12:01]
kakobrekla it translates cat [12:01]
kakobrekla i think [12:01]
kakobrekla strange. [12:01]
mircea_popescu yes, the point of the article is "here's how you cook cat" [12:01]
mircea_popescu but it's really rabbit. [12:01]
kakobrekla a [12:01]
mircea_popescu pisica = cat ; iepure = rabbit [12:01]
kakobrekla rabbit meat is kinda borring to me [12:02]
kakobrekla but its healthy or smth [12:02]
mircea_popescu just low fat. [12:02]
kakobrekla horse ftw. [12:03]
mircea_popescu indeed [12:03]
mircea_popescu all these doods with the kobe bs never had decent mare. [12:03]
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kakobrekla :) [12:04]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.769998 = 7.7 BTC [+] [12:14]
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dub hot with dat gpu rig running [12:25]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7351 BTC [-] [12:43]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 0.735 = 5.88 BTC [-] [12:43]
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assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P430T] 750 @ 0.07093982 = 53.2049 BTC [-] [13:01]
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* Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 13 14:17:23 2013 [19:05]
deadweasel ThickAsThieves: just me misinterpreting regular price fluctuation in btc [19:05]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 300 @ 0.0054 = 1.62 BTC [+] [19:06]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.769998 = 3.85 BTC [+] [19:08]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.769999 = 3.08 BTC [+] [19:08]
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mircea_popescu ;;later tell bingobongo hey, SalvorHardin and Philip both win. mark the first guy as winner and tell the other to get in touch here. [19:09]
gribble The operation succeeded. [19:09]
mircea_popescu and omg wtf apparently trilema is fulla cats. [19:10]
mircea_popescu i had no idea. [19:10]
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assbot [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 10 @ 0.005199 = 0.052 BTC [+] [19:13]
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mircea_popescu so in the end is bitfunder streaming quotes or not rly ? [19:24]
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smickles mircea_popescu: the internet is full of cats [19:26]
smickles and trilema is a subset of the internet [19:26]
smickles logic [19:26]
mircea_popescu ya but girls are full of cooties, guys are a subset of hm [19:27]
ThickAsThieves BF is doing websockets [19:27]
mircea_popescu i know there's something wrong with your logic but unsure what exactly [19:27]
ThickAsThieves so someone just has to grab them [19:27]
smickles mircea_popescu: it's an informal fallacy [19:27]
mircea_popescu also cooties [19:27]
smickles general -> specific [19:27]
assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 200 @ 0.00999 = 1.998 BTC [+] [19:29]
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smickles mircea_popescu: i'm testing my sales system now, since i've decided to release what I have now as a 'beta' at half price. [19:53]
smickles re: the gui app [19:53]
mircea_popescu o hey [19:53]
mircea_popescu (also, you might consider making use of the ref system) [19:53]
smickles I haven't put thought into how that would work yet [19:53]
smickles but i do like the idea [19:53]
smickles ;;tslb [19:54]
gribble Time since last block: 12 minutes and 5 seconds [19:54]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.737 BTC [-] [20:05]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.736 BTC [-] [20:05]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.735 BTC [-] [20:05]
kakobrekla mircea_popescu its not (yet?). [20:06]
mircea_popescu ah k [20:06]
mircea_popescu i thought it was coming together yest. my bad. [20:06]
kakobrekla i did go about half way yea [20:07]
kakobrekla nature is amazing. [20:08]
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mircea_popescu !amaze nature [20:10]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.39839 BTC [-] [20:18]
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kakobrekla so, the first thing that any serious crypto currency needs/makes;topicseen#msg1624962 [20:23]
mircea_popescu ;;bc,diff [20:24]
gribble 4847647.1520656 [20:24]
kakobrekla "gettin high on your CPU power" [20:24]
kakobrekla ah sry [20:25]
kakobrekla litecoin is now mined with gpus [20:25]
mircea_popescu today's installment of "evil" mp : [20:29]
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mircea_popescu ;;bc,estimate [20:34]
gribble 6068019.81599933 [20:34]
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dub jebus [20:36]
dub ;;bc,nethash [20:36]
gribble 35978.971550544906 [20:36]
mircea_popescu the unknowns. [20:38]
mircea_popescu asicminer is taking over [20:38]
mircea_popescu watch luke & idiotco learn chinese to better explain why everyone should care about their pasty-ass preconceptions. [20:38]
assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.182 BTC [-] [20:39]
assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.16 BTC [-] [20:39]
assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 10 @ 0.16 = 1.6 BTC [-] [20:39]
assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.152 BTC [-] [20:39]
assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 9 @ 0.1502 = 1.3518 BTC [-] [20:39]
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dub well apaprently lluke has 5th of asic on his pool [20:41]
dub and that better not be asicminer [20:41]
kakobrekla jesus [20:41]
kakobrekla [20:41]
kakobrekla these coders. [20:42]
mircea_popescu lolz [20:42]
Namworld ASICMINER will need to get a better chip out soon after these first batches tho [20:42]
dub pretty sure that was the plan [20:42]
mircea_popescu actually i got confused, i meant avalon. [20:43]
dub shrinking the process is not as hard as starting over [20:43]
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Namworld yeah [20:43]
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ThickAsThieves mp your article is kinda depressing. i think you might underestimate how many people feel like they are the only ones that see The Right Way, and separately that you could just as easily not be Right at all (life is tricky that way). You seem to care (be bothered by) so much about people that you feel are worth so little. [20:46]
mircea_popescu ha! [20:56]
mircea_popescu so how do you distinguish ? [20:56]
ThickAsThieves who is Right, you mean? [20:56]
ThickAsThieves only oneself I guess [20:57]
mircea_popescu a not at all. [20:57]
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mircea_popescu how do you distinguish between the case where you're right and the case where you're wrong [20:57]
mircea_popescu obviously this isn't a vestable attribute, like "being tall" [20:57]
mircea_popescu it's a case by case thing [20:57]
ThickAsThieves or a nonexistent thing [20:57]
mircea_popescu well, if you're going the route of relativism might as well forget about action at all [20:58]
mircea_popescu and focus on the senses. [20:58]
mircea_popescu hedonism ftw. [20:58]
ThickAsThieves i think human nature includes wanting everyone to be more like what you want [20:58]
ThickAsThieves some people handle that by just copying others to be more like the group [20:59]
ThickAsThieves some try to influence others [20:59]
ThickAsThieves to be more like them [20:59]
mircea_popescu but you are aware that life selects, right ? [20:59]
mircea_popescu evolution forces species to be more like "right", for a natural definition of that term. [20:59]
ThickAsThieves i'm gonna be careful cuz i'm, not quite the level of philospher/anthropologist you are [20:59]
mircea_popescu me either. [21:00]
ThickAsThieves hehe [21:00]
ThickAsThieves but ultimately what's right, it seems, is that which keeps us most adaptable as a species [21:00]
mircea_popescu that's one theory. [21:00]
ThickAsThieves possibly comes from an expiring stage of our species [21:01]
mircea_popescu understand, i'm not saying there's anything wrong with the "what keeps me out of pain is right" approach in general. [21:01]
mircea_popescu im just saying it's woefully inadequate in anything to do with money, or more generally value [21:01]
ThickAsThieves money is the currency of life/time [21:01]
mircea_popescu yeah something like that. [21:01]
mircea_popescu i wrote a piece long ago, in romanian, [21:02]
mircea_popescu basically my theory is that the sensate world is underpinned by two essences [21:02]
mircea_popescu one is language, the other is money. [21:02]
ThickAsThieves i guess you just seem extra soapboxy lately [21:02]
ThickAsThieves and if i were a psychiatrist i'm sure i'd be able to figure out why [21:02]
mircea_popescu haha so find one [21:02]
ThickAsThieves one theory i have is intelligence is a burden [21:03]
mircea_popescu heh. do you live in the us ? [21:03]
ThickAsThieves yes [21:03]
mircea_popescu you know... we've seen this before. [21:03]
mircea_popescu all of it. [21:03]
mircea_popescu well... you wouldn't know cause you don't read russian, but it's not new. [21:03]
ThickAsThieves i'm no Einstein, but I al constantly disappointed in people [21:03]
ThickAsThieves al=am [21:03]
mircea_popescu 1970s, the soviets were going "great", thinking people were starting to suspect intelligence is a burden. [21:04]
ThickAsThieves and i had to kind of find a zen place to balance it all [21:04]
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deadweasel me too, ThickAsThieves [21:05]
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ThickAsThieves i, like most of here us probly, seek out control of our environment [21:05]
ThickAsThieves since we cant change people [21:05]
ThickAsThieves we just dont associate with them [21:05]
ThickAsThieves irl at least [21:05]
dub [21:05]
deadweasel tried that route, it's a hard road [21:05]
dub I know mrb isnt an idiot, so can someone explain to me why AMs costs go up if BTC/USD does? [21:05]
ThickAsThieves if costs go up, costs go up [21:06]
ThickAsThieves :) [21:06]
mircea_popescu dub i don't see why it would be related. [21:06]
jurov mircea_popescu: looks stale [21:07]
dub ah nm, I think he's arguing against someone who thought the increasing BTC/USD was a good reason to buy AM at these prices [21:08]
jurov as certain diligent coinbr user spotted [21:08]
mircea_popescu jurov any particular spot ? [21:08]
jurov S.DICE has much different order book data than on asset page [21:08]
mircea_popescu looking. [21:09]
ThickAsThieves mp, is there anywhere i can read about this russian intellgence as a burden stuff? [21:09]
deadweasel [21:12]
ThickAsThieves The US government's online catalog of cyber-vulnerabilities has been taken offline – ironically, due to a software vulnerability. [21:12]
deadweasel Clearly they didn't like atheism. [21:12]
deadweasel so that's a pointer [21:12]
ThickAsThieves i saw that one dw [21:12]
mircea_popescu jurov i just went through s.dice, failed to see a difference ? [21:13]
ThickAsThieves interesting read it was [21:13]
mircea_popescu the jsons are not sorted, could that give the impression the book is different ? [21:13]
deadweasel no doubt. imagine that -- running for your lives into siberia. [21:14]
mircea_popescu jurov oh i see the problem. the cache's sick. [21:15]
dub deadweasel: eeeevillldooooeeerssss [21:16]
smickles dammit! [21:16]
smickles all of the sudden there is an issue with the underlying toolkit i'm using [21:17]
smickles D: [21:17]
* jurov hands mircea cache pill, with clock buffers [21:17]
deadweasel fuckles [21:17]
mircea_popescu lol [21:24]
mircea_popescu jurov check now! [21:24]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves i'm not sure there's a better source of all soviet woes in englush than stoljenitsn [21:25]
mircea_popescu or however his name is written in english [21:25]
mircea_popescu Solzhenitsyn heh [21:26]
jurov mircea yes now it's fresh :) [21:30]
mircea_popescu say ty to dilligent user for me :) [21:31]
mircea_popescu and for the record, i'm adding safeties to not have stale cache again. this one managed to get away! [21:32]
deadweasel /home/dxaccess-qa/dxaccess/bin/ [21:33]
deadweasel crap, this is not a terminal [21:33]
mircea_popescu o.o [21:34]
mircea_popescu deadweasel : simple rule. have all terminals white on black. have all non-terminals black on white. problem solved. [21:34]
deadweasel yeah, simple rules don't fix things for idiots. [21:39]
deadweasel i'm trying though. [21:39]
* mircea_popescu hax dxaccess nao [21:39]
deadweasel lol [21:40]
deadweasel you will be disappointed with what you find [21:44]
deadweasel unless you like lab results for horses, then you'll be ecstatic [21:46]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla likes horses. [21:48]
kakobrekla yeah but not the riding or the fucking part. [21:48]
ThickAsThieves the eating out of [21:51]
jborkl eating out horses? [21:52]
deadweasel well, alot of them have abscesses and whatnot. and cancer. and growths. [21:52]
jborkl That is kinda sick, but whatever [21:53]
ThickAsThieves funny now that everyones testing all the meat to see what animal dna is inside [21:53]
deadweasel yes, the horses are sick. so they go to the vet. the vet takes blood, sends it to our lab, we send the results to our pretty webUI [21:53]
ThickAsThieves oh look pig and lamb! [21:53]
jborkl I was referring to him eating out horses [21:54]
deadweasel no doubt [21:54]
ThickAsThieves no diggity [21:54]
deadweasel i like the way you horse it [21:54]
deadweasel time to punch out, adios fellas [21:55]
jcpham I AM GETTING ANEW PUPPY [21:58]
jcpham WH OWANTS TO SEE IT [21:58]
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kakobrekla lol now alex jones is talkin on bitcoin [21:59]
kakobrekla haha [21:59]
kakobrekla like listening to a rock. [21:59]
TomServo kakobrekla: What brilliant insights does he offer? [22:03]
kakobrekla so far he has the balls the admit he has no clue [22:03]
kakobrekla the = to [22:03]
jcpham stay away from it kakobrekla [22:04]
TomServo Well, that's something I guess. [22:04]
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mircea_popescu whi's alex jones ? [22:06]
mircea_popescu [22:06]
mircea_popescu how often do you see true 1:1 split ? [22:06]
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dub alex jones is teh face of libertardanism [22:10]
jurov ;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:5b71a25a862c24f0927276f970937619b057231843eb509b905fdcf3 [22:11]
gribble You are now authenticated for user jurov with key 677ABD62D0AEE7D7 [22:11]
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mircea_popescu a ok [22:11]
jurov Reminder - I'm still processing S.MPOE claims for helpful MPEx users [22:12]
jcpham alex jones is an paranoid whacko [22:12]
jcpham bilderburg 9/11 inside job loony [22:12]
jcpham let's be clear [22:12]
dub yea like I said libertarian [22:12]
jcpham . [22:13]
dub straps 3 ar15s to his penis before he leaves the house [22:13]
jcpham in reality... [22:13]
jcpham lives in fear and never leaves the house [22:14]
mircea_popescu dub wait, libertard is someone who believes in global warming and shit about how you shouldn't say nigger, right ? [22:14]
mircea_popescu ie, a retarded liberal [22:14]
ray Since you're talking about, Alex Jones thinks Max Kaiser is the creator of Bitcoin [22:14]
jcpham dub isn't being descriptive enough [22:14]
jcpham dub is down playing this man [22:15]
jcpham he has a dedicated following of sheeple willing to do what he says [22:15]
ray yep, have you got your water filter yet? essential to remove the government drugs that make you docile [22:16]
mircea_popescu lol prison planet /infowars [22:17]
mircea_popescu ok, great. [22:17]
ray haha… 1776 will commence again… hilarious! [22:17]
TomServo Alex's interview with Piers Morgan was hilarious - if you're ever bored. [22:18]
mircea_popescu something tells me by 2015 we will be all doing some diff chain and mostly we'll be saying "no, this is not bitcoin, no this is not associated with the weirdo bitcoin devs, the weirdo bitcoin talkshow hosts and the weirdo etc" [22:18]
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TomServo It seemed like he was making a concerted effort to appear as batshit insane as possible...quite strange. [22:19]
dub TomServo: hilarious is one word for it [22:19]
dub yeah the batshit is strong in that one [22:19]
TomServo embarrassing is another [22:19]
dub you'd be uptight too wearing a 30kg bar of silver in your ass [22:23]
TomServo I think things would be rather loose in that case. [22:24]
kakobrekla basically AJ says Max Keiser created Bitcoin [22:31]
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kakobrekla hehe they mention intrade [22:33]
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kakobrekla ;;ident kakobrekla [22:35]
gribble Nick 'kakobrekla', with hostmask 'kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla', is identified as user kakobrekla, with GPG key id 27AF75321F2489E8, key fingerprint 27C3CE9A20851312F086268C27AF75321F2489E8, and bitcoin address None [22:35]
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jurov brb [22:44]
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smickles ;;goxlag [22:52]
gribble 48.115083 seconds [22:52]
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smickles hmm, there hasn't been an order reported from gox in a while [22:53]
smickles about .5 hr [22:53]
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smickles strange, bitcoincharts is seeing orders [22:56]
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assbot [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 30 @ 0.00068 = 0.0204 BTC [-] [23:05]
mircea_popescu markedathome dude you're becoming like a beacon of sanity or something [23:07]
mircea_popescu "So please, lets just admit we aren't up to spec and have never been up to spec, and focus on getting there instead of pretending that "the world is after all perfect, if requiring a little adjustment" is a bastion of software engineering." [23:08]
smickles /l markedathome [23:08]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 70 @ 0.00068 = 0.0476 BTC [-] [23:08]
smickles oh, not here tho [23:08]
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markedathome mircea_popescu: ? [23:08]
mircea_popescu smickles [23:08]
kakobrekla fuckin stupid bitcoind [23:09]
kakobrekla sendfrom "x" addy ammt [23:09]
kakobrekla sends from addy y [23:09]
kakobrekla not from x [23:09]
kakobrekla stupid. [23:09]
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mircea_popescu meanwhile, some guy has the following point : [23:09]
mircea_popescu "So for a single database transaction which consists of all Bitcoin transactions in the block the number of locks required is O(N * log_b S). This number has no upper bound, it logaritmically increases with the size of blkindex.dat." [23:09]
mircea_popescu basically... the current bug would have wiped us. [23:09]
dub kakobrekla: stop complaining and code your own one nyeaa nyeaa nyeaa [23:10]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.769996 BTC [+] [23:10]
* dub channels -dev [23:10]
kakobrekla this just fucked. [23:11]
kakobrekla and its not some optimisation feature as well [23:12]
kakobrekla cause they all got nice blocks of 100 [23:12]
kakobrekla but noooo [23:12]
kakobrekla lets not take what user specified [23:12]
kakobrekla lets take some other euqal block of 100 [23:12]
assbot [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 4 @ 0.1 = 0.4 BTC [+] [23:12]
mircea_popescu anyway, from reviewing the summaries of ~15mb of public and private conversations re this bug i'm sort-of contented that people have mostly got it, [23:13]
mircea_popescu and while they have somewhat humanly understandable trouble coming out with "We're idiots", nevertheless the message has landed fine and people are working at it. [23:13]
mircea_popescu ima give it a month or two and see. [23:13]
smickles ug, why can't i tell this thing to use my self signed cert ? [23:14]
TomServo I don't understand how the price is holding given the uncertainty surrounding the bug. [23:14]
mircea_popescu TomServo alex jones. [23:14]
smickles anyone know of a good free ssl cert issuer who isn't just mining me for information? [23:14]
TomServo haha [23:14]
mircea_popescu smickles nope [23:14]
smickles mircea_popescu: i thought you just didn't use ssl, so how would you know? [23:15]
smickles :P [23:15]
mircea_popescu why do you think i don't ? [23:15]
smickles conflated memory, probably [23:15]
jurov smickles, startssl? can't get much better than that [23:16]
smickles free for a yeah, eh? [23:16]
smickles *year [23:16]
kakobrekla those certs are like 10$ a pop [23:17]
jurov yes. then you just make other request and go another year [23:17]
kakobrekla why would you hassle with startssl [23:17]
smickles kakobrekla: what do you suggest then? [23:17]
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jurov i got comodo positivessl [23:17]
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kakobrekla dunno find a source of cheap ones [23:18]
kakobrekla i have a guy here that can make em for 10e or so [23:18]
kakobrekla mircea_popescu where is that pissing on the devs thread urlpls [23:19]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.769996 = 1.54 BTC [+] [23:20]
mircea_popescu [23:20]
kakobrekla ty [23:20]
mircea_popescu o lol [23:20]
jurov lol, there's also spanking thread to each according to their taste. [23:20]
Namworld Well I managed to get gigavps to remove me from skype by arguing against his paid upgrade. [23:21]
kakobrekla lol [23:21]
jurov oh Namworld, btw i got an invoice from bitvps [23:21]
Namworld Not sure how he justify all those costs... [23:21]
jurov i hereby recommend you all to stick it into orifice of your choice [23:21]
smickles wtf, startssl just gave me a timeout [23:22]
* Namworld sneezes. An invoice pops out. [23:22]
kakobrekla smickles they wont give ssl to bitcoin related services [23:22]
Namworld Oh, that was already taken care of. [23:22]
kakobrekla cause its 'financial' [23:22]
kakobrekla and that cant be free [23:22]
* Namworld puts it back. [23:23]
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smickles kakobrekla: suppose i tell them that it's an accounting service and not mention anything about bitcoin [23:23]
smickles 'cause that's true [23:24]
kakobrekla yeah, accounting, nothing to do with finance [23:24]
kakobrekla feel free to hassle with them. [23:24]
smickles well, i'm not finding this 10 euro guy who you have [23:25]
mircea_popescu the word is hustle [23:25]
smickles so i'm doing research [23:25]
jurov not if it nas *coin* in the domain [23:25]
jurov *has [23:26]
kakobrekla acointing. [23:26]
kakobrekla not a coin, not accounting. [23:26]
kakobrekla acointing or accointing dot something [23:26]
jurov smickles, i shopped here: [23:26]
smickles kakobrekla: it's [23:27]
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assbot [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.05103 BTC [-] [23:27]
assbot [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.05102 BTC [-] [23:27]
assbot [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.05017 BTC [-] [23:27]
kakobrekla there ya go that should do it [23:27]
assbot [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.05 BTC [-] [23:27]
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smickles ah, thx jurov :) [23:27]
jurov startssl prolly says they don't endorse fecal humor [23:27]
mircea_popescu da fuck is this endorse bs [23:28]
mircea_popescu and btw, to all the people who think they are safe from ddos because "cloudflare" or equal bs : [23:28]
mircea_popescu what do you do when they "don't endorse" your site ? [23:28]
jurov go home [23:29]
Namworld Why didn't you put a cancellation request jurov? [23:29]
mircea_popescu sounds like a great plan, strategic manager should get a bonus for that oen. [23:29]
jurov Namworld, phungus clearly said "we won't ever turn your vps again." [23:30]
Namworld ah [23:30]
jurov so he's now responsible for any cancella tions [23:30]
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Namworld I hope he wasn't as harsh as that short sentence makes it sound. [23:31]
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smickles "...users using email address may have difficulty in receiving their hosting welcome emails from us. We strongly recommend that you use some other email address at this time. We also would advise you to contact our support using a non-hotmail email address to receive replies properly. It is especially hard to track email delivery failure with Hotmail, as Hotmail servers do not return a failed status, but silently discard emails which d [23:31]
jurov look into #bitvps logs, it's there [23:31]
smickles lol [23:31]
Namworld I'm not in there 24/7 [23:32]
jurov really should i dig them for you? [23:32]
jurov they clearly kicked me out. so they should also cancel my acct themselves. [23:34]
Namworld urgh, then service should also have been cancelled [23:34]
kakobrekla you mean the BitVPS? [23:35]
jurov yes bitvps [23:35]
Namworld yes so he doesn't receive invoices anymore [23:35]
kakobrekla bitvps should be canceled yea [23:35]
kakobrekla its a joke [23:35]
Namworld Why? [23:36]
kakobrekla "we won't ever turn your vps again." [23:36]
kakobrekla this sums it up [23:36]
Namworld I should probably handle PR from now on... [23:37]
kakobrekla what would you do? [23:37]
kakobrekla its not a PR issue [23:37]
Namworld It is if that's the way things are announced. [23:37]
jurov Namworld, PR-side I recommend that next time a client mentions ddos possibility, you damn well listen to them [23:38]
jurov not like "oh seems under dos, too" [23:38]
jurov "let's do nothing" [23:38]
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kakobrekla lol [23:39]
jurov facepalm [23:39]
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mircea_popescu well in fairness vps wasn't going to be able to take it. [23:39]
Namworld I wasn't aware of anything [23:39]
jurov eh, not gonna to discuss this again, you're never aware of anything [23:40]
Namworld Either way, we only have a few dozens clients and few dedis. Not like we could have handled a large DDoS. [23:41]
Namworld Doesn't seem like the let go was handled properly at all. [23:41]
Namworld I've cancelled the service, you'll no longer receive invoices/notices. [23:42]
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kakobrekla Namworld what do you do when a client is 1 month late on payment [23:43]
jurov okay, so i'll ask only one thing. next time client asks you "in case of ddos, will i be billed the traffic?" what do you answer? [23:43]
jurov i hope not "i'll be surprised" like you did last week just few hours before the ddos [23:43]
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jurov now you probably aren't aware this happened but damn well it did. in this very channel. [23:44]
greekbet hi all [23:44]
kakobrekla hi [23:44]
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Namworld okay, so i'll ask only one thing. next time client asks you "in case of ddos, will i be billed the traffic?" what do you answer? [23:54]
jurov Namworld: what? you don't know what to do in this case? [23:55]
dub [23:55]
Namworld What's that about? We don't bill extra traffic, we'd ask the person to upgrade. In your case tho, would have been impossible to support you further. We'd have to drop DDoSed clients [23:55]
dub get your stalk on [23:56]
Namworld No, you make it sounds like someone said you'd be billed for it. [23:56]
jurov No, I think the right answer would be to ask the client why they expect the dos and where [23:57]
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jurov and move the info to tech staff [23:57]
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