Forum logs for 15 Mar 2013

Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
Namworld Oh, We don't have the infrastructure to handle any large DoS tho, we're relatively a very small host. Not the kind that was being conducted against MPEx. Not sure what you would ahve wanted us to do. [00:00]
mircea_popescu http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/reuters-social-media-editor-indicted-for-allegedly-conspirin [00:00]
mircea_popescu vaguely related [00:00]
Namworld It's just not feasible for us to do so. [00:00]
jurov Namworld, i wanted you to consider the possibility beforehand. not being caught like a deer in the headlights [00:01]
jurov and even then, the ddos was raging for 6 hours till anyone started to do anything with it!!!! [00:01]
mircea_popescu if i may, everyone has a point here. in fairness we didnt really know how hot things will get early on. in retrospect it can be said that "well duh, obviously if it can take out mpex's main it will wipe a vps somewhere". but at the time i was busy and i guess nobody else realised it. [00:01]
mircea_popescu on the other hand there's never going to be an economical solution to offer vps servers and yet scale it up in case of a serious ddos [00:02]
mircea_popescu so practically a vps host can't do much more than "sorry, we can't host you, you're too big". [00:03]
jurov well, having an alert for such cases is well within their economical reach... instead of waiting 8 hours till whole dc is in ashes [00:03]
dub I think while there could have been a quicker response (and really the pain here is for any other customer of bitvps), a $20 vps is not expected to handle any kind of dos in a way that mitigates the attack for its target [00:03]
mircea_popescu yeah i guess communications didn't work. [00:03]
mircea_popescu actually, [00:04]
Namworld Till whole DC? [00:04]
dub thats just my experience with gettign dos'd on $20 vpsen :) [00:04]
Namworld We have 1 server in switzerland. [00:04]
dub and yes I took out linodes fremont facility once [00:04]
dub because someone wanted my nick on IRC [00:05]
kakobrekla lol [00:05]
jurov okay, it was the server then, not the dc. and yes, i shouldn't have expected any thing else [00:06]
jurov but having to wait 6 hours and then another 2 hours fo r the staff trying to figure out if it's really an attack [00:07]
jurov that would enrage everyone [00:07]
mircea_popescu in fact going through the logs, [00:08]
mircea_popescu Mar 07 03:46:04 Namworld if this causes to overstep my bitvps bandwidth, or causes bitvps to be included in ddos outright [00:08]
mircea_popescu Mar 07 03:48:14 i would be surprised, jurov [00:08]
mircea_popescu some warning was issued. [00:08]
jurov ^exactly this i was speaking about [00:08]
jurov thx mircea [00:08]
mircea_popescu well... he promised to be surprised, he was surprised. no scam. [00:09]
jurov hehe [00:09]
Namworld ... that's not really the point [00:09]
Namworld But apparently yes, words got out quickly and it was DDoS'ed too. [00:09]
mircea_popescu anyway. it doesn't look like there's much more anyone could have done practically. [00:10]
Namworld We only have a few nodes, we might be the most popular host in BTC zone but that's quite small a clientbase. [00:10]
jurov well, but if you don't want to host anything critical, where does this leave you? [00:11]
jurov irc knitting group with some hosting slapped on? [00:11]
mircea_popescu jurov listen, pretty much nobody offers off the shelf ddos proof hosting [00:11]
mircea_popescu it's just too expensive. [00:11]
Namworld It actually is very expensive. Pretty much any host will kick someone getting DDoSed outright. Not that it's something we'd wish to do, but it's not economically feasible at the cost VPSes/Shared hosting are billed. [00:12]
Namworld and we are pretty much salvaging RG's business which was barely breaken even. There's no money for 24/7 staff and we all have to work on it outside our day job/etc. [00:13]
Namworld We're already moving out of rented servers and have bought dedicated servers. We'll be upgrading and consolidating. [00:13]
mircea_popescu Namworld it's a best effort business, we get it. perhaps the only improvement is to have an internal messaging system somehow, so if you hear ddos early warning it can be used somehow [00:14]
mircea_popescu if that's even possible. [00:14]
Namworld But we're pretty much investing in a business that was in the red. [00:14]
Namworld Once we get our own servers instead of renting, we'll be in the green. For now we're focused on doing that and moving clients. [00:14]
Namworld Once that is done we can start improving services. [00:14]
Namworld But there's still a lot of work ahead. [00:15]
jurov to be honest, i was thinking about moving somewhere else back after december outage [00:16]
jurov but couldn't get any good advice except to pay heavy $$$ [00:16]
dub I would only go with big name brand for a vps [00:16]
Namworld The switzerland node we have has been getting many issues at the DC level. We might drop it altogether and have to find another node to rent for Europe. [00:17]
dub there are so many 2 bit (!) shops out there [00:17]
Namworld For US we're consolidating clients in New York on owned servers. [00:17]
dub jurov: not to be rude, and this is why I still use linode, you can't expect any $20 vps to handle anything critical [00:20]
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jurov okay okay, i'm not complaining about that [00:22]
jurov i have just issue with communication and delays [00:22]
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jurov but prolly that's to be expected for $40 vps, too... [00:24]
kakobrekla Namworld hetzner [00:25]
dub jurov: yep [00:25]
Namworld kako: what? [00:25]
Namworld Well we hope to be able to be staffed 24/7 later on. [00:25]
kakobrekla >We might drop it altogether and have to find another node to rent for Europe. [00:26]
kakobrekla http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produktmatrix/rootserver-produktmatrix-ex [00:26]
dub good, cheap, fast, pick two [00:26]
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parseval Beyond mitigation steps with firewall software, you could architect the web app to easily scale to multiple servers, then toss in nodes from AWS on demand during an attack. A bit pricey, but if the question is whether you pay more or shut down... [00:29]
mircea_popescu sex. [00:29]
mircea_popescu parseval software firewalls weren't even being touched, routers got it. [00:30]
parseval Nice [00:30]
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assbot [MPEX] [X.IDIFF.JUN] 1 @ 0.08995 BTC [-] [00:30]
smickles ;;bc,diff [00:31]
gribble 4847647.1520656 [00:31]
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RandolphDuke which broker is better coinbr or btc-tc ? [00:36]
jurov RandolphDuke btc-tc is exchange not broker [00:36]
Namworld Indeed [00:37]
jurov and you did not say your criteria [00:37]
RandolphDuke so how do they have mpex assets? [00:37]
jurov these are passthroughs backed by mpex assets [00:37]
RandolphDuke jurov: recieving dividends [00:37]
RandolphDuke from what i take it btc-tc takes 5% of the dividend ammount [00:38]
RandolphDuke and coinbr charges a monthly fee [00:38]
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jurov coinbr is not asking a fee for receiving dividends, but asks 0.09/month flat [00:38]
RandolphDuke what about reputation, is coinbr the same people as mpex? [00:39]
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dub coinbr is jurov [00:39]
jurov no, i'm coinbr owner, mircea_popescu is mpex owner [00:39]
dub ;;getrating jurov [00:39]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. User jurov, rated since Fri Jan 20 15:16:32 2012. Cumulative rating 24, from 15 total ratings. Received ratings: 15 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 10 positive, 1 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=jurov [00:39]
dub he has a good reputation [00:39]
RandolphDuke what about security of funds [00:40]
jurov it's discussed extensively on bitointalk, lemme dig it... [00:41]
RandolphDuke thnx [00:41]
jurov here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=118551.0 [00:41]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 10 @ 0.0018 = 0.018 BTC [-] [00:44]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.53 = 2.12 BTC [-] [00:48]
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RandolphDuke havelock is another broker or exchange? [01:08]
dub exchange [01:09]
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smickles RandolphDuke: i believe that coinbr is the only mpex broker with a website [01:13]
smickles and, ugg, i just installed a proper ssl cert ... now apache wont start [01:14]
smickles and i can't find any useful error in the logs [01:14]
smickles :PP [01:14]
kakobrekla Inaba: My open offer for a bet: BFL will ship the promised products within a reasonable time frame (as determined by a reputable member of this community, I propose Casascius). I offer BTC from 100 BTC to 2000 BTC. I am also willing to accept the domain name joshzerlan.com in lieu of BTC on the part of Bryan Micon. [01:17]
kakobrekla how could i have missed that. [01:17]
kakobrekla gotta love the reasonable timeframe [01:18]
mircea_popescu lol [01:21]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla : make an alias for josh-zerlan.com on bitbet's server [01:24]
mircea_popescu and redirect it to the march bfl bet. [01:24]
mircea_popescu gimme the ns. [01:24]
assbot [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.3449 BTC [+] [01:24]
* smickles melts in defeat [01:25]
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smickles how am i supposed to fix something when there are no errormessages or logs? [01:25]
mircea_popescu smickles join the club, my sysadmin ppls have been wrangling with something exactly liek that for 3 days now. [01:25]
smickles mircea_popescu: but this should be simple, and common. I'm sure many people install ssl certs [01:27]
mircea_popescu yah well... [01:27]
Troic selinux / strace are your friends and foe [01:29]
thestringpuller !ticker m S.MPOE [01:29]
assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00072543 / 0.00072578 / 0.00072614 (22480 shares, 16.32 BTC), 7D: 0.00067334 / 0.00074098 / 0.00076718 (769435 shares, 570.14 BTC), 30D: 0.00061614 / 0.00069589 / 0.00078628 (43419967 shares, 30,215.69 BTC) [01:29]
mircea_popescu http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/digging-through-archives-yields-gold/ [01:30]
mircea_popescu from my personal "must read collection [01:30]
RandolphDuke !ticker m S.DICE [01:31]
assbot [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00569985 / 0.00584763 / 0.00599987 (473 shares, 2.77 BTC), 7D: 0.00413 / 0.00575556 / 0.006 (50044 shares, 288.03 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00613776 / 0.0069 (2392891 shares, 14,687.00 BTC) [01:31]
smickles the internet is so useful: "Wow after hours of digging I finally found the solution thanks to a post by rajanichand Here what I did in httpd.conf I commented out the SSLCACertificateFile line and it worked." [01:34]
mircea_popescu haha cool [01:35]
smickles unfortunately, i don't think i have the right kind of mind for that solution [01:35]
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smickles and i've come across a handfull of "UPDATE: i fixed it after finding _this_line_ in som OTHER logs" But they never say what logs those were [01:37]
mircea_popescu you know... [01:40]
mircea_popescu those other logs [01:40]
jurov smickles, you don't have passphrase set on key? [01:41]
jurov so that apache is stopping somewhere and waiting for it [01:41]
smickles jurov: i believe i do have a passphrase set on the key [01:42]
jurov get rid of it.. you can add it later if desired [01:42]
smickles could it be stopping and waiting for me to type it in somehow? [01:42]
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jurov yes tat's exactly what it does [01:43]
smickles oh, howto get rid of it? [01:43]
jurov some openssl magic invocation [01:43]
smickles i will send you a tip if this works [01:43]
smickles hmm, i'm going to have to send a new csr to those guys now, arn't i [01:44]
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jurov http://www.mnxsolutions.com/apache/removing-a-passphrase-from-an-ssl-key.html << smickles [01:45]
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smickles jurov: give me an addy, it worked. [01:50]
smickles but now, the thing that prompted me to do this is giveing another error [01:51]
smickles D: [01:51]
jurov what thing? [01:51]
smickles blockchain.info's api making a callback to my server [01:51]
smickles their java install doesn't seem to think my cert is a good cert [01:52]
jurov nromal browser is not complaining? [01:52]
smickles yeah, works on chromium [01:52]
jurov does apache provide all certs in chain or only the your one and the CA? [01:53]
jurov i remember i had to add them all cause some browser was unhappy [01:54]
smickles SSLCertificateChainFile /etc/apache2/PositiveSSL.ca-bundle [01:54]
smickles is that what you're talking about? [01:55]
jurov yea that should work [01:55]
smickles yeah, it's in there, and has been in there [01:55]
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jurov i dunno. so 1DzxV3arKg22TfVYx4nw1rLFJmjLTnXHi7 then [01:56]
jurov maybe you'll have to import them into java then [01:58]
smickles lol, yeah, import my cert into their java. anyway, sent :) [02:00]
mircea_popescu what's the problem ? [02:01]
mircea_popescu java is like, secure and maff and stuff [02:01]
smickles mircea_popescu: when 'they' try to send a callback to my server, their software gives them "Error sun.security.validator.ValidatorException: PKIX path building failed: sun.security.provider.certpath.SunCertPathBuilderException: unable to find valid certification path to requested target" and gives up [02:03]
mircea_popescu hm [02:03]
jurov https://forums.comodo.com/ssl_certificate/unable_to_find_valid_certification_path_to_requested_target-t17086.0.html;wap2= [02:04]
mircea_popescu you know they could just add your cert. [02:04]
jurov lol maybe their java is outdated [02:04]
smickles wtf, would they really be on 1.5? [02:04]
smickles damn early 1.5 at that [02:04]
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Bowjob yawn [02:05]
Bowjob my electrum wallet doesnt appear to work lol [02:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.82 BTC [+] [02:06]
mircea_popescu “The welfare state reduces a citizen to a client, subordinates them to a bureaucrat, and subjects them to rules that are anti- work, anti-family, anti-opportunity and anti-property... Humans forced to suffer under such anti-human rules naturally develop pathologies. The evening news is the natural result of the welfare state.” [02:07]
mircea_popescu i'm like in love over here. [02:07]
smickles mircea_popescu: don't love AJ, it's a sin [02:08]
mircea_popescu aj ? [02:08]
smickles alexjones [02:08]
mircea_popescu that's not alex jones [02:09]
smickles silly joke [02:09]
mircea_popescu its some obscure jim beam dood [02:09]
smickles that's an ungoogleable name [02:09]
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mircea_popescu http://jim.com/liberquo.htm [02:14]
mircea_popescu jim.com, nicely enough [02:14]
assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.1555 BTC [+] [02:20]
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assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.15199 BTC [-] [02:23]
assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.15021 = 0.3004 BTC [-] [02:23]
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assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 6 @ 0.1502 = 0.9012 BTC [-] [02:24]
assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 20 @ 0.15 = 3 BTC [-] [02:24]
mircea_popescu ahh, got a nice one for midnightmagic : [02:25]
mircea_popescu “Altruism does not mean mere kindness or generosity, but the sacrifice of the best among men to the worst, the sacrifice of virtues to flaws, of ability to incompetence, of progress to stagnation--and the subordinating of all life and of all values to the claims of anyone's suffering.” [02:25]
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topace_ !ticker h sdice [02:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.53000000 / 0.54966167 / 0.57000000 (60 shares, 32.97970000 BTC), 7D: 0.44000006 / 0.56318428 / 0.61999910 (735 shares, 413.94044920 BTC), 30D: 0.37000000 / 0.62515082 / 0.75900000 (5260 shares, 3288.29329337 BTC) [02:29]
topace_ !ticker m s.dice [02:29]
assbot [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00569985 / 0.00570109 / 0.00599986 (241 shares, 1.37 BTC), 7D: 0.00413 / 0.00575556 / 0.006 (50044 shares, 288.03 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00613751 / 0.0069 (2388391 shares, 14,658.80 BTC) [02:29]
smickles jurov: phantomcircuit nailed the second issue, my server wasn't providing enough of the cert chain, browsers just dl the missing parts, java needs the whole thing spoon-fed to it [02:44]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 20 @ 0.769994 = 15.3999 BTC [-] [02:47]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.769996 = 3.08 BTC [+] [02:49]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.00574 BTC [+] [02:50]
kakobrekla http://xkcd.com/1181/ [02:52]
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smickles kakobrekla: not funny :P [02:58]
kakobrekla this one is http://xkcd.com/1169/ [02:58]
smickles heh, actually i do think it's funny, but it sends a bad message [02:59]
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mircea_popescu in other news http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/136330962761.jpg [03:07]
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dub did you see my link before? [03:14]
dub be fun to set two points in london and try to navigate at full zoom [03:15]
dub http://btlondon2012.co.uk/pano.html [03:15]
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mircea_popescu fpr some values of fun [03:18]
dub tbh I spent ten minutes looking for porn and gave up [03:18]
dub probably need to refamiliarise myself with the best socioeconomic direction [03:20]
dub its been 30 odd years since I've been there [03:20]
mircea_popescu been where ?! [03:27]
midnightmagic mircea_popescu: Human progress exists because people cooperate together, and are nice to each other. The peoples whose nature is to prey on other humans, to cast them away, or to be mercenary, these are destructive elements. People who are destructive while pretending their acts select for greater fitness is a perversion of the nature of Darwinism which does not, in fact, match reality. [03:28]
mircea_popescu you equivocate plenty in there. progress does not exist. humans do live comfortably because they cooperate, but this does have no relation to being nice. [03:28]
mircea_popescu gotta think cleanly if you aim to think at all. [03:28]
midnightmagic mircea_popescu: Nor is courtesy and kindness in the face of cruelty anything I would espouse. [03:28]
midnightmagic Progress does exist in the form of higher standards of living, freedom, and the advancement of human knowledge and science. [03:29]
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mircea_popescu standards of living have been collapsing ever since welfarism (which is a good example of the nice/cooperation confusion) [03:29]
midnightmagic mircea_popescu: If you would like to make a specific point about altruism rather than make quotation-like assertions, I would be happy to entertain it. [03:30]
mircea_popescu the only way that collapse can be hidden is by avoiding reference to objective standard. [03:30]
midnightmagic That is actually completely false. [03:30]
mircea_popescu so then we have a point. [03:30]
mircea_popescu to disagree on :D [03:30]
midnightmagic And I would say that those who prey on other humans and run confidence games with them are more responsible for the destruction you think outweighs the progress humans have made in science and medicine. [03:30]
mircea_popescu now let's take your progress apart. fewer people can read in the us today than did in 1913. [03:30]
midnightmagic Aumann's agreement theorem states one or both of us is, at that point, being irrational. [03:31]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.54 = 1.08 BTC [+] [03:31]
midnightmagic Thus, I do not agree to disagree. [03:31]
mircea_popescu fewer people die today in good health than did in 1913 [03:31]
mircea_popescu what esle was in there, o, right, freedom. [03:31]
mircea_popescu i'll rest on that one, seems too easy. [03:31]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 15 @ 0.53 = 7.95 BTC [-] [03:32]
midnightmagic That is a statement which is pointless: more people live longer, in better health than in 1913. [03:32]
mircea_popescu also, you perhaps hold aumann in too high a regard. he's a minor bayesian, which is another way to say nonsense. [03:32]
mircea_popescu midnightmagic only if you measure these like the us govt measures unemployment. [03:32]
mircea_popescu take something inconvenient, like people who died of cancer before age 18. [03:33]
mircea_popescu see how it went up by the 100's of %. [03:33]
midnightmagic I'm no sure you understand what Bayesian reasoning is at this point. [03:33]
mircea_popescu im pretty sure you lack the cognitive trappings that'd allow you to evaluate that meta-point, so let's allow it to go silent. [03:33]
midnightmagic You make a nonsense assertion about Bayesian reasoning being nonsense and then tell me I'm incapable of cognition for saying you're making ignorant comments? [03:35]
midnightmagic You know you could have just said, "no, u" [03:36]
mircea_popescu here's the thing : the theorem you cite refers to something very speciffic. [03:37]
mircea_popescu you are applying it with no consideration given to the conditions of validity it contains [03:37]
mircea_popescu this speaks of you. [03:37]
midnightmagic mircea_popescu: The population of the world also went up. Your statements of statistics are flawed, and either you're doing it on purpose and waiting for me to mock you, or you really do think these things, in which case I .. well I'm not sure where to go from there. [03:37]
mircea_popescu right, see ? [03:37]
mircea_popescu we have problems. [03:37]
midnightmagic Lemme give it a stab. Pirates and global warming? [03:37]
mircea_popescu what about these ? [03:38]
midnightmagic If population itself rises by x%, and you say number of cancer cases have increased by x%, you are actually saying cancer *rates* have remained static. [03:38]
mircea_popescu listen, the reason i phrased that way is not because of a misunderstanding of statistics, as you seem inclined to conveniently surmise. [03:39]
mircea_popescu it's because i presupposed in your usage of "progress" that you do not look at percents but absolutes. [03:39]
mircea_popescu you'd have to, in order to maintain coherence. [03:39]
midnightmagic I surmise but not conclude, as you'll note in my previous comment about the possibilities of why you're doing that. [03:39]
mircea_popescu "no kids left behind" and all that. [03:39]
mircea_popescu (yes, surmise but not conclude. which is specifically why i used that word and not the other. i'm trying to help you judge here.) [03:40]
midnightmagic You make it easy to be uncivil, mircea. [03:40]
mircea_popescu you're welcome. [03:40]
midnightmagic I don't feel so. [03:40]
mircea_popescu well... not like you have to :p [03:41]
mircea_popescu but let us better understand this notion of progress you use, because after all it's so messed up by commoners chewing on it. [03:43]
midnightmagic Well, it does free me up to mock your "my success by my measure makes me right" bias. [03:43]
midnightmagic Very well. [03:43]
mircea_popescu so : if situation A is that 100 people die yearly in forest fires and situation B is that 3 people die yearly in forest fires but one person is kidnapped and tortured to death as a religious practice which causes the reduction in forest fires casualities, is a movement from A to B progress in your view ? [03:44]
BitHub :/ [03:45]
BitHub morning [03:45]
mircea_popescu hi. [03:45]
* BitHub tips hat [03:45]
BitHub gday maaaaate, how the bloody hell are ya? [03:45]
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midnightmagic Human longevity has increased; human standards of living have increased; human freedom to pursue a healthy happy life is greater than it ever was; human knowledge is at its greatest peak in all of history; human treatment of disease is greater and more effective than it has ever been, ever in all history; human notions of morality and ethics (on the whole) are greater than they have ever been. [03:46]
mircea_popescu ah but why muddy things up, just answer the q. [03:46]
midnightmagic I literally don't have an answer for your contrived example. [03:48]
mircea_popescu perhaps human notions of morality and ethics aren't quite as developed as all that. [03:48]
mircea_popescu or perhaps you're not quite up to the reading, seeing how it's both ancient and banal an example. [03:48]
mircea_popescu but anyway. i'm satisfied myself, thanks. [03:48]
midnightmagic They are. We have natural rights now that humans have never had for basically all of recorded history. [03:48]
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midnightmagic It's a stupid philosophical example with no bearing on my assertion. [03:49]
midnightmagic +s [03:50]
mircea_popescu well, it's true it has no bearing on your assertions. [03:50]
mircea_popescu the reason would be that they're empty pr stuff. [03:50]
mircea_popescu where they mean anything they're false, where they're not false they're meaningless. [03:50]
mircea_popescu for that matter the raw raw raw we are the best the sun has ever seen is possibly the oldest rabble rousing talk ever. older than Athens for sure. [03:51]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.52 = 5.2 BTC [-] [03:52]
midnightmagic So what? It's true now. [03:52]
mircea_popescu it always was "true now". [03:52]
mircea_popescu i guess for some views that constitutes proof of progress. [03:52]
midnightmagic So? [03:52]
mircea_popescu so nothing really, it's a little amusing, you'll grow out of it. [03:53]
midnightmagic lol [03:53]
mircea_popescu ikr? [03:53]
mircea_popescu people have never been this smart and yet men your age have never been this childish. [03:53]
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mircea_popescu it's a paradox. [03:53]
midnightmagic So desperately certain; so patronizing. And you continue to rail against that which you have no control over; ineffective. Shouting into the wind. [03:54]
midnightmagic I'm fairly sure you have no idea how old I am. [03:54]
mircea_popescu hm, if you won't think the question too much proof of my many and varied shortcomings, [03:54]
midnightmagic Pretend you are my better then. I'm confident you don't grow out of that no matter how true or untrue it may be. [03:54]
mircea_popescu why do you presume to guess my emotional state ? does it help something ? [03:55]
midnightmagic Dinner time. Have fun talking to your echo chamber. [03:55]
mircea_popescu laters. [03:55]
jborkl Emotions hinder rational thought [03:56]
mircea_popescu well that's true. but he already got slapped once with the entire statistics thing. you'd expect people a little quicker on their feet. [03:56]
mircea_popescu presume you don't understand what's being said because of the other person once, get shown better, stop making the assumption. at least for a wittle while. [03:57]
jborkl That seems reasonable to me [03:57]
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RandolphDuke midnightmagic: standards of living in developed countries have barely budged in 50 years outside of major improvements in communications [04:05]
RandolphDuke midnightmagic: with all the productivity gains the government has said weve made over 50 years, 8 hours of work per week should be enough to afford a 1950's standard of living, yet today 2 income earners are required just to make ends meet [04:06]
midnightmagic RandolphDuke: That's not true at all re: not budged in 50 years. [04:10]
RandolphDuke sure it is [04:10]
mircea_popescu midnightmagic 44, gemini. [04:10]
mircea_popescu o, there you are. [04:11]
RandolphDuke name an innovation in the last 30 years that has improved your life other then the internet [04:11]
kakobrekla mobile phone [04:11]
kakobrekla gps [04:11]
kakobrekla microwave [04:11]
Troic mri [04:11]
RandolphDuke phones existed in the 50's [04:11]
kakobrekla fine, GSM then [04:11]
RandolphDuke all of those are merely improvements of existing technology [04:11]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla seriously tho, people need about 3 average incomes now to maintain a 1950s lifestyle. in the 80s needed two. [04:11]
mircea_popescu soon will need four. [04:12]
kakobrekla yeah and? [04:12]
RandolphDuke some households already have their kids working part time [04:12]
kakobrekla thats why bitcoin is 50 now [04:12]
mircea_popescu right. [04:12]
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RandolphDuke the government has siphoned off the productivity gains through inflation/taxation and transfered them into none-return bearing investments [04:12]
RandolphDuke squandered [04:13]
mircea_popescu at least zee germans financed a united europe [04:13]
mircea_popescu so they'll have a disaster to account for it. [04:13]
mircea_popescu the us financed nothing in particular, a buncha lossy wars. [04:13]
RandolphDuke european union is just a secular version of the holy roman empire [04:13]
RandolphDuke its nothing new [04:13]
mircea_popescu i think that's what they hoped it to be, but it didn't work out. [04:13]
kakobrekla i still dont see what the problem is [04:14]
RandolphDuke infact its probably even worse now, since at least the emperors still feared divine punishment somewhat [04:14]
mircea_popescu hre was politically very weak. [04:14]
mircea_popescu look into it, it was an interesting time for freedom. [04:14]
midnightmagic 1910 literacy rate: 7.7% = 92m * 1-0.077=84m, 2013 literacy rates for the US: 99% = 313m * 0.99 =309.9m 309.9m > 84m. [04:15]
mircea_popescu those numbers are lies. [04:15]
midnightmagic Oh, sure. Make up a definition that makes you right. [04:15]
mircea_popescu want me to pick up the reports that kids going to college today need to take basic literacy ? [04:15]
midnightmagic lol [04:15]
RandolphDuke what i find most amusing about the US, is if you actually research what the so called tyrants extracted from the population it was roughly 5-10% of annual income [04:15]
mircea_popescu have you spoken to one of these young hopefuls ? [04:15]
RandolphDuke compare that to close to 50% now lol [04:15]
RandolphDuke in a "free" country [04:15]
midnightmagic Considering 7.7% *couldn't read AT ALL* in 1910? [04:16]
mircea_popescu over 10% can't read at all today. [04:16]
midnightmagic Anecdote proves everything, I always say. Right mircea? [04:16]
mircea_popescu it's just they're carefully avoided when the statistics are made. [04:16]
mircea_popescu just like the uynemployed doesn't include the homeless [04:16]
mircea_popescu because they smell. [04:16]
midnightmagic And let's just make up some random numbers! 10% [04:16]
RandolphDuke midnightmagic: go pull up a newspaper from 100-200 years ago and compare it to one today, the level of language was far higher + the ammount of information per page was astonishing [04:17]
midnightmagic #statsfail [04:17]
mircea_popescu not how it works joe. [04:17]
mircea_popescu do you mind if i call you joe ? [04:17]
midnightmagic Only if you mind me calling you fluffy the unicorn. [04:17]
mircea_popescu you're already calling me mircea, so it's about fair. [04:17]
RandolphDuke midnightmagic: if people were so well educated the unemployment rate wouldnt be as high, they would be able to figure out how to be productive from all their knowledge [04:18]
midnightmagic Okay fluffy. [04:18]
kakobrekla omg kids. [04:18]
mircea_popescu o, a challenge ? mkay. [04:18]
mircea_popescu for that matter i know you live in de soto, wisconsin, and that you collect, and what, and when you dated, and a whole other pile of stuff. [04:18]
midnightmagic Well? Courtesy's out the window, why not? [04:18]
mircea_popescu i got it all because i asked, half hour ago or whatever. [04:18]
midnightmagic LOL [04:18]
midnightmagic Who, me? [04:18]
mircea_popescu let's call the person joe. [04:19]
mircea_popescu anyway. [04:19]
midnightmagic ... Wisconsin..? [04:19]
midnightmagic I thought I told you I'm Canadian. [04:19]
mircea_popescu yeh [04:19]
midnightmagic Why would I be living in Wisconsin then? [04:19]
mircea_popescu ... [04:20]
midnightmagic Is this another one of those things that isn't translating into English so well? [04:20]
mircea_popescu it's a bizzare question, what, they shoot canadians in wisconsin ? or how should i know anyway [04:21]
midnightmagic whargarble. [04:22]
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midnightmagic http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v680/Velvet42/motivational%20posters/whargarbl.jpg [04:23]
* smickles tests testy thesis [04:34]
kakobrekla its official, we have a 'chain block', dub. http://www.bloomberg.com/video/bob-s-daily-buzzword-bitcoin-EJ04CzJbQsKJ6CqAsDI_WA.html [04:35]
mircea_popescu in you chain blockin' yo forks [04:38]
smickles get that fact into wikipedia! [04:38]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 150 @ 0.00599963 = 0.8999 BTC [-] [04:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00072139 = 2.1642 BTC [-] [04:49]
leotreasure rofl chain block [04:50]
mircea_popescu like cockblock [04:52]
mircea_popescu but whit hain in it. [04:52]
assbot [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 5 @ 0.2 = 1 BTC [+] [04:57]
assbot [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 261 @ 0.005199 = 1.3569 BTC [+] [04:58]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6450 @ 0.00072139 = 4.653 BTC [-] [05:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00071103 = 0.711 BTC [-] [05:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2100 @ 0.00071102 = 1.4931 BTC [-] [05:01]
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MJR_ hi all [05:08]
MJR_ ;;ident [05:08]
gribble You are identified as user Josh_Rossi, with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address 1LokQrHj14NU93tC6pZfTZyyRHhAVakQmX [05:08]
smickles ;;tslb [05:09]
smickles howdy MJR_ [05:09]
gribble Time since last block: 18 minutes and 5 seconds [05:09]
MJR_ what's new :) [05:09]
MJR_ ;;ticker [05:09]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.39999, Best ask: 47.40000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 47.39999, 24 hour volume: 31666.06954211, 24 hour low: 46.05000, 24 hour high: 47.99000, 24 hour vwap: 47.29517 [05:09]
MJR_ ;;goxlag [05:10]
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gribble 0.250708 seconds [05:10]
MJR_ ;;buy 48 [05:10]
gribble (buy [--long] [at|@] []) -- Logs a buy order for units of , at a price of per unit, in units of . Use the optional field to put in any special notes. may include an arithmetical expression, and {mtgox(ask|bid|last)} to index price to mtgox ask, bid, or last price. May also include (1 more message) [05:10]
MJR_ hmmm what's the command to see how many dollars to move to 48? [05:11]
* Now talking on #bitcoin-assets [07:05]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com/ [07:05]
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assbot [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 158 @ 0.1 = 15.8 BTC [+] [07:11]
assbot [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [+] [07:12]
mircea_popescu jurov http://live.coinbr.com/ doesn't show anything to me, is my browser borkt ? [07:18]
Josh_Rossi mircea_popescu: I don't see anything either [07:21]
mircea_popescu you know i can't see your name without thinking of portia de rossi [07:22]
Josh_Rossi lol [07:22]
Josh_Rossi not sure if that is good or bad [07:22]
Josh_Rossi but I like her... [07:22]
mircea_popescu well... this tall blonde gorgeous lesbian chick. [07:22]
mircea_popescu how bad can it be [07:22]
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mjr_ hehehe [07:23]
mjr_ yeah...just not sure if I want people to associate me with a hot blonde lesbian [07:23]
mircea_popescu and actually, talk about a trophy wife : she's maried to degeneres. [07:24]
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mircea_popescu http://cdn.evilbeetgossip.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/ellen_portia_kiss.jpg [07:26]
mircea_popescu visual aid. [07:26]
mircea_popescu http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-keiser/is-bitcoin-money_b_2849031.html [07:26]
mircea_popescu what does the libertard crowd wish to speak about ? [07:26]
mircea_popescu NOT the virtues of bitcoin. the fascinating fact that one of them got some. [07:27]
mircea_popescu navel grazing is becoming enshrined. [07:27]
mjr_ lol [07:27]
mjr_ max keiser is hilarious [07:27]
mjr_ grazing or gazing? [07:27]
mircea_popescu yes [07:31]
mjr_ so, I was thinking an assurance contract could be a good way to start a unified clearing process for exchanges [07:39]
* mjr_ combined with an m of n transaction system [07:39]
mjr_ where m is 2/3 of n [07:39]
mjr_ seems to me, that that is the only way you rival gox [07:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00599963 = 2.9998 BTC [-] [07:41]
grubles any thoughts on ppcoin? [07:44]
smickles ;;tslb [07:58]
gribble Time since last block: 2 minutes and 26 seconds [07:58]
* smickles is still testing his payment processing system [08:06]
smickles i would've used bitpay, but they still haven't responded to my application and the certainly didn't respond b/f i had 90% finished my own system [08:07]
smickles ya know, it really says something about their business if *i* can code a functional replacement for them before they even respond to me [08:09]
smickles they did ask about volume tho, maybe they just see me as too small of a fish [08:10]
mjr_ smickles: lol [08:11]
mjr_ the finance guys I work with are like send it to India [08:12]
mjr_ im like you don't get it...this is the fun part [08:12]
mjr_ interesting convo in OTC [08:13]
smickles heh, i had a lot of fun earlier getting and installing a 'proper' ssl cert [08:13]
* mjr_ led me to think of blockchain marriage certificates [08:13]
mjr_ you had to pay? [08:13]
smickles mjr_: well, i didn't wan't to go with one of those 'free' providers, and my self-signed just wasn't cutting it anymore [08:14]
mjr_ yeah [08:14]
mjr_ what's the site, is it live? [08:14]
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mjr_ how do you see the banner? [08:17]
smickles heh, the site is a wip [08:21]
smickles the banner? [08:21]
mjr_ for a room [08:21]
smickles /topic you mean? [08:22]
mjr_ ah thanks [08:24]
mjr_ was looking for motd or something [08:24]
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smickles /motd is for the server [08:28]
smickles also, usually the topic has more in it than a url [08:28]
mjr_ lol so much drama pretty much on every channel and forum [08:31]
mjr_ I scurry back to bitcoin-assets [08:32]
smickles I've heard people say that it's not true that bitcoin isn't backed by anything; it's backed by drama. [08:33]
mjr_ can't wait for a btc reality show [08:34]
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mjr_ you could have an amazing drama on amc about bitcoins [08:37]
mjr_ miners, exchanges, Silk Road retailers [08:38]
mjr_ irc ops [08:39]
mjr_ so many stories to tell [08:39]
Ukto anyone taken a loan on btcjam? i have some question on it [08:46]
coingenuity Ukto: from what i've seen btcjam is uh...dubious at best [09:00]
coingenuity mostly SR activity, not much else [09:00]
coingenuity once in a while something legit-seeming pops up, but given the rest of the loans on there...eh [09:00]
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Bowjob yawn [09:08]
Bowjob ;;ticker [09:08]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 46.60551, Best ask: 47.10799, Bid-ask spread: 0.50248, Last trade: 46.99588, 24 hour volume: 30482.99861105, 24 hour low: 46.05000, 24 hour high: 47.96000, 24 hour vwap: 47.17570 [09:08]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.82 BTC [+] [09:30]
assbot [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.32001 BTC [-] [09:39]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 5 @ 0.31 = 1.55 BTC [-] [09:39]
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tiberiusiv is jurov awake? [10:02]
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smickles alright, I think I'll be launching the MPEx GUI tomorrow (today after i sleep and such) [10:12]
smickles :D [10:12]
Ukto >,> [10:21]
Ukto is it differnt [10:21]
Ukto than a native passtru [10:21]
Ukto from coinbr ? [10:21]
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Bowjob http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndshbH3qZ6Y [11:13]
Bowjob ahahah stupid americans [11:13]
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jurov tiberiusiv yes? [11:16]
jurov of course live.coinbr.com shows nothing [11:18]
jurov Unterminated comment starting line 6 in /home/polimedi/public_html/bitcoin/mpex-mktdepth-jsonp.php on line 6 [11:18]
jurov mircea_popescu: check ur error logs [11:18]
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Olive6767 Hi All :) [11:26]
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tiberiusiv jurov pm pls [11:46]
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oizotov is there a site from which i can download the whole blockchain ? [12:16]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6546 @ 0.00071102 = 4.6543 BTC [-] [12:19]
jurov oizotov, there's a torrent [12:21]
saulimus oizotov, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=145386.0 [12:21]
oizotov i dont need bootstrap.dat im using old client and i need blk000X.dat [12:32]
jurov oizotov http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/3551/how-can-one-download-the-initial-blockchain-data-files-securely [12:35]
assbot [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.344 BTC [-] [12:41]
oizotov i dont find any mirror that works i tried to download them with the client its running 4-5 days already and havent finished downloading it ... [12:42]
kakobrekla https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152617.0 [12:44]
kakobrekla O_o [12:44]
kakobrekla time to punch gox in the face [12:44]
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jurov oizotov, use 0.8 then [12:46]
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jurov it's *not* broken, not even for mining, if blocksize limit stays unchanged [12:46]
oizotov my wallet doesnt load in 0.8 some version mismatch i guess [12:47]
jurov pls ask in #bitcoin-dev then... [12:48]
oizotov ok thanks [12:48]
jurov lol mpoe-pr immediately chimed in... she could have added "we dispensed of this problem completely, mpex withdrawals are deprecated." [12:50]
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Anduck lol i don't see ANY problem with that mtgox announcement [12:59]
Anduck btc price indeed has gone up [12:59]
Anduck like 3x from the long-lasting 10-4usd [12:59]
Anduck 10-14 usd* [12:59]
Anduck so isn't it quite clear that they will fix the limits too? [13:00]
kakobrekla maybe you dont, others do. [13:00]
Anduck well, what is the problem, then? =I [13:00]
Anduck the real withdrawal limit value is still bigger than it was with the 200 btc border [13:00]
kakobrekla if you dont have one doesnt mean it isnt there. [13:00]
Anduck well i can't even think of a problem so yeah... [13:00]
Anduck that [13:01]
Anduck that's also true they should now fix their fee structure, too [13:01]
Anduck or maybe not, in fact [13:01]
kakobrekla O_o [13:01]
Anduck maybe they had to lower the withdrawal limit cuz of some aml things? [13:02]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 250 @ 0.00072397 = 0.181 BTC [+] [13:03]
markedathome if it is an aml thing then they should tie the withdrawal limits to 7 day vwap equivalent of USD limits. [13:03]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.769999 BTC [+] [13:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.5201 = 5.201 BTC [+] [13:44]
assbot [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 2 @ 0.005199 = 0.0104 BTC [+] [13:44]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 15 @ 0.5200001 = 7.8 BTC [-] [13:45]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.52 = 5.2 BTC [-] [13:46]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.511 BTC [-] [13:47]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.511 = 2.555 BTC [-] [13:47]
assbot [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.049 BTC [-] [13:47]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.511 BTC [-] [13:48]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 14 @ 0.5102 = 7.1428 BTC [-] [13:49]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.5101 = 4.0808 BTC [-] [13:50]
ZedsterX is there any where the BTC trading newb can go for learning the ropes? [13:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 200 @ 0.51 = 102 BTC [-] [13:51]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.5005 = 4.5045 BTC [-] [13:52]
kakobrekla #bitcoin-assets [13:52]
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ZedsterX the help here is not really for the newb [13:52]
kakobrekla its not? [13:52]
kakobrekla dunno [13:53]
ZedsterX you guys are very much in your own little all knowing group [13:53]
kakobrekla are you asking for yourself or someone else' [13:54]
ZedsterX myself [13:54]
kakobrekla well what do you want to know? [13:54]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 106 @ 0.5003 = 53.0318 BTC [-] [13:55]
ZedsterX looking for stuff like chart reading and basics [13:55]
kakobrekla well for chart reading you can ask Enky [13:55]
kakobrekla you can start here http://btctrading.wordpress.com/ [13:56]
assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.16799 BTC [+] [13:57]
assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.168 BTC [+] [13:57]
ZedsterX yeah i saw that sight yesterday guess i should read up there...thanks Kako [13:57]
kakobrekla yeah enky is around here or join #bit4x, more techincal stuff is discussed there [13:58]
ZedsterX VWAP? see right there i'm lost....also aren't basic day trading how-to sites helpful for the basics? [13:59]
kakobrekla take your time, read, learn [14:00]
kakobrekla http://btctrading.wordpress.com/technical-background/ [14:01]
ZedsterX well S.DICE has already taught me my first lesson...that is the reason for interest [14:01]
kakobrekla check the pdfs here [14:01]
kakobrekla etc [14:01]
ZedsterX yep i am moving to the tablet for some reading...thanks again sir [14:02]
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assbot [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 2 @ 0.105 = 0.21 BTC [+] [14:08]
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kakobrekla no prob [14:10]
kakobrekla ZedsterX bug Enky if you have issues understanding [14:10]
kakobrekla ;) [14:10]
ZedsterX will do ...and i'll tell you sent me :) [14:14]
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assbot [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 2 @ 0.2 = 0.4 BTC [+] [14:31]
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Troic_ !ticker m s.dice [14:50]
assbot [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00599963 / 0.00599963 / 0.00599963 (650 shares, 3.90 BTC), 7D: 0.005 / 0.00576119 / 0.006 (50615 shares, 291.60 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00613748 / 0.0069 (2388881 shares, 14,661.72 BTC) [14:50]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.769999 = 1.54 BTC [+] [14:52]
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deadweasel ;;ticker [15:01]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.29098, Best ask: 47.34967, Bid-ask spread: 0.05869, Last trade: 47.29098, 24 hour volume: 29361.03478444, 24 hour low: 46.05000, 24 hour high: 47.90000, 24 hour vwap: 47.08799 [15:01]
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kakobrekla bfl site down - conspiraci [15:16]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 12 @ 0.00575 = 0.069 BTC [+] [15:17]
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Guest2434 !ticker h sdice [15:22]
assbot [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.50030000 / 0.51111382 / 0.57000000 (427 shares, 218.24560150 BTC), 7D: 0.46050000 / 0.55100234 / 0.61999910 (1008 shares, 555.41036353 BTC), 30D: 0.37000000 / 0.61443452 / 0.75900000 (5555 shares, 3413.18378474 BTC) [15:22]
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assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.155 BTC [-] [15:24]
assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.153 BTC [-] [15:24]
assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.152 = 0.304 BTC [-] [15:24]
assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 5 @ 0.15001 = 0.7501 BTC [-] [15:24]
assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.15 = 0.3 BTC [-] [15:24]
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kakobrekla usagi: People like what I am doing or they wouldn't invest. [15:34]
kakobrekla yeah, people are also idiots. [15:34]
kakobrekla sorry, a > missing there, first line is a quote. [15:34]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 15 @ 0.0051 = 0.0765 BTC [-] [15:36]
deadweasel investing in metals doesn't make one an idiot, but trading btc for it is. [15:37]
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assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 15 @ 0.00555 = 0.0833 BTC [+] [15:48]
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assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 20 @ 0.0052 = 0.104 BTC [-] [15:56]
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deadweasel http://bitcointipper.com/index.html [16:20]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.769999 = 2.31 BTC [+] [16:36]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 15 @ 0.77 = 11.55 BTC [+] [16:36]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 100 @ 0.77 = 77 BTC [+] [16:36]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.789999 = 7.9 BTC [+] [16:38]
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pigeons your site deadweasel? [16:40]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.79 = 1.58 BTC [+] [17:04]
jurov so i went on to research bit more about coinlab.. have to wade through bullshit like: [17:08]
jurov When our team discussed how to tackle these issues in the US, it seemed clear that Mt. Gox had by far the best security record in the Bitcoin exchange landscape. [17:08]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 0.79 = 5.53 BTC [+] [17:10]
ThickAsThieves since they are so good at security we decided to take that role out of their hands for all US customers [17:11]
imsaguy shh [17:16]
imsaguy you aren't supposed to read that [17:16]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.79 BTC [+] [17:40]
assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.151 BTC [+] [17:44]
assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [-] [17:44]
assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.13151 BTC [-] [17:44]
assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 3 @ 0.1012 = 0.3036 BTC [-] [17:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00073667 = 2.5047 BTC [+] [17:49]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.52 = 1.56 BTC [+] [18:09]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.515 BTC [-] [18:10]
assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.11 BTC [+] [18:11]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.51 = 2.04 BTC [-] [18:11]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 57 @ 0.51 = 29.07 BTC [-] [18:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.51 = 5.1 BTC [-] [18:18]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.7 BTC [-] [18:23]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 9 @ 1.82 = 16.38 BTC [+] [18:24]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 7 @ 1.83 = 12.81 BTC [+] [18:25]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.5715 = 4.0005 BTC [+] [18:25]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.572 = 1.716 BTC [+] [18:26]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.57377777 BTC [+] [18:26]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.57399999 BTC [+] [18:26]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.575 = 5.175 BTC [+] [18:26]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.5849999 BTC [+] [18:26]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.59 = 5.9 BTC [+] [18:26]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [+] [18:26]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 4 @ 1.2 = 4.8 BTC [+] [18:27]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 15 @ 1.3999 = 20.9985 BTC [+] [18:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.3999 BTC [+] [18:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.59 = 1.18 BTC [+] [18:29]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 30 @ 0.79 = 23.7 BTC [+] [18:34]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [+] [18:34]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.79 BTC [+] [18:37]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 25 @ 0.79 = 19.75 BTC [+] [18:37]
kakobrekla http://24.media.tumblr.com/06921f0d1ca90226d64ecbd050b8bd68/tumblr_mjoij4XdBZ1qf0u3po1_500.jpg [18:39]
smickles lol [18:40]
topace !ticker h sdice [18:43]
assbot [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.50030000 / 0.51471736 / 0.59000000 (523 shares, 269.19717916 BTC), 7D: 0.50030000 / 0.55025058 / 0.61999910 (1102 shares, 606.37614115 BTC), 30D: 0.37000000 / 0.61284029 / 0.75900000 (5666 shares, 3472.35306240 BTC) [18:43]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 0.79 = 6.32 BTC [+] [18:45]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [+] [18:50]
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assbot [BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 8 @ 0.398 = 3.184 BTC [+] [19:05]
assbot [BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 2 @ 0.4 = 0.8 BTC [+] [19:05]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.3 BTC [-] [19:10]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.79 BTC [+] [19:11]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.999 BTC [+] [19:11]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.59 = 2.36 BTC [+] [19:12]
ThickAsThieves "NOTE: For your security, we automatically lock domain names 30 days after unlocking." Thanks GoDaddy... [19:13]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 15 @ 0.59999 = 8.9999 BTC [+] [19:14]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.599999 = 5.4 BTC [+] [19:14]
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smickles ;;calc 0.21253985/[ticker --last] [19:25]
gribble 0.00447980555598 [19:25]
smickles ;;calc 0.21253985*[ticker --last] [19:25]
gribble 10.083738518 [19:25]
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Diablo-D3 http://gigaom.com/2013/03/15/finnish-development-firm-offers-to-pay-salaries-partly-in-bitcoins/ [19:29]
kakobrekla O_o [19:29]
assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.159 BTC [+] [19:30]
assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.1599 BTC [+] [19:30]
assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.163 BTC [+] [19:30]
assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.16439 BTC [+] [19:30]
assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.19 BTC [+] [19:30]
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topace !ticker h sdice [19:45]
assbot [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.50030000 / 0.51892185 / 0.59999900 (550 shares, 285.40702016 BTC), 7D: 0.50030000 / 0.55155534 / 0.61999910 (1129 shares, 622.70598217 BTC), 30D: 0.37000000 / 0.61271479 / 0.75900000 (5692 shares, 3487.57260040 BTC) [19:45]
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jurov uh, mktdepth for live.coinbr still broken... should i duct tape it or wait for mircea? [19:51]
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assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 25 @ 0.0052 = 0.13 BTC [-] [19:56]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3250 @ 0.0007249 = 2.3559 BTC [-] [20:23]
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mircea_popescu jurov heh. all better now [20:30]
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mircea_popescu in other news, josh-zerlan.com [20:31]
jurov SyntaxError: missing ) after argument list [20:31]
jurov [Break On This Error] [20:31]
jurov , 610]]}, "X.IDIFF.SEP": {"S": [[235000000, 10]], "B": []}}); [20:31]
jurov the code still isn't valid [20:32]
jurov ah it begins with JurovP(JurovP({ [20:32]
jurov thanks for mentioning me twice, not necessary :D [20:32]
mircea_popescu also deposits flushed. [20:34]
mircea_popescu ZedsterX you'll be well advised to remember chart reading as in, technical analysis is far from being accepted like newtonian mechanics is. [20:35]
mircea_popescu lmao [20:35]
ZedsterX huh? [20:36]
mircea_popescu double encapsulation ftw. test it j [20:36]
ThickAsThieves basically chart reading can be voodoo or hindsight 20/20 a lot of the time [20:36]
mircea_popescu ZedsterX re your earlier ocmplaint. [20:36]
jurov Parse error: syntax error, unexpected ')' in /home/polimedi/public_html/bitcoin/mpex-mktdepth-jsonp.php on line 37 [20:36]
ZedsterX no one was complaining about anything [20:36]
mircea_popescu hum wtf is going on there [20:37]
jurov mircea, just deprecate it :P [20:37]
ZedsterX i was asking for help...which as this proves this is not the place to do it [20:37]
jurov hehe [20:37]
mircea_popescu lol. [20:38]
ThickAsThieves Zed, mp is just saying, in your efforts to educate yourself, remember that chart reading isnt always reliable [20:38]
mircea_popescu fucking caching makes things insane. [20:38]
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mircea_popescu or at least that's what they'e telling me in a doomed attempt to avoid the firing squad [20:39]
mircea_popescu anyway. now! [20:39]
ZedsterX yes of course [20:39]
ZedsterX but it is an essential part of trading none the less [20:39]
jurov o/ live is working... but no trades happened today? argh [20:39]
mircea_popescu ZedsterX doesn't have to be really. anyway, hard to know what is ofcourse and what isn't ofcourse from yoru pov, ya know ? [20:40]
mircea_popescu [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6546 @ 0.00071102 = 4.6543 BTC [- [20:40]
mircea_popescu i see some at least. [20:40]
ZedsterX so then I put my question to you all knowing MP...where is a good place to read up on trading basics? [20:40]
ThickAsThieves ;bc,stats [20:40]
ThickAsThieves so, Luke Jr flew out to BFL to save the day huh? [20:41]
mircea_popescu ZedsterX i have no idea man. [20:41]
mircea_popescu maybe something like http://www.google.com/search?q=trading+basics&complete=0 ? [20:41]
mircea_popescu (no sarcasm intended) [20:41]
ZedsterX tried that [20:42]
jurov ah yes... http://mpex.co/mpex-rss.php has last trade from March 12 :( [20:42]
iz ZedsterX: do you want to get into technical charts or what? [20:42]
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ThickAsThieves Zed, you could always ask specific questions here while you educate yourself [20:42]
ZedsterX I was just looking for help ...trust me it won't happen again here [20:42]
ThickAsThieves rather than "how do i learn" you could ask "What is the diff between a green bar and a red bar" or such [20:43]
iz ZedsterX: i found this was useful for me, when i was first learning about trading stocks http://stockcharts.com/school/doku.php?id=chart_school [20:43]
iz particularly what all the technical indicators are suppose to mean [20:43]
ThickAsThieves i dont think any of us meant to tell you to gtfo w your Qs [20:43]
ZedsterX thanks iz [20:43]
iz np [20:43]
ThickAsThieves matter of fact you were given specific people to talk to too [20:43]
ZedsterX i am good thanks [20:44]
ZedsterX not trying to start shit at all [20:44]
mircea_popescu jurov nu-uh :D [20:44]
ZedsterX just wanna learn [20:44]
jurov mircea_popescu: did you test it? noe it's unparsable [20:45]
ZedsterX i try to keep my mouth shut here and pick up stuff just to avoid this very thing [20:45]
mircea_popescu jurov i was looking at it a moment ago, it came up as rss. lesee [20:45]
mircea_popescu "This is a valid RSS feed." [20:45]
mircea_popescu did something subtle change ? [20:46]
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jurov okay but firefox suddenly insists on displaying as text [20:46]
mircea_popescu ZedsterX dun sweat it man, nothing happened. [20:46]
mircea_popescu jurov hm [20:46]
jurov can't find out why [20:46]
jurov ah yes, it says Content-Type: text/html [20:47]
ThickAsThieves no harm done zed :) [20:47]
jurov never mind, coinbr script parses it fine [20:48]
ZedsterX so here's a specific question....dump S.DICE or hope for a comeback later in the month? [20:49]
ZedsterX :) [20:49]
mircea_popescu jurov ima add the header thing to the pile. [20:49]
ThickAsThieves there are a few strats you could take with sdice [20:50]
ThickAsThieves but none are totally reliable [20:50]
ZedsterX see right there sir...strats? [20:50]
ThickAsThieves strategies [20:50]
jurov mircea,np, it's ok. and don't forget to add stacktraces/ php code dumps on error. they're really helpful xD [20:50]
ZedsterX i know nothing...i will wait until I know wtf i am talking about [20:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.999 = 3.998 BTC [+] [20:50]
ZedsterX heheh of course :) [20:51]
ThickAsThieves strats is a thing from when played WoW [20:51]
mircea_popescu jurov normally server responds with a fu on error, but this is the new stuff that's still being debugged [20:51]
mircea_popescu (and still not 100% ok, either). [20:51]
ThickAsThieves unrelated to stocks ;) [20:51]
ZedsterX kinda like aggro : [20:51]
ThickAsThieves right [20:51]
ZedsterX :) [20:51]
ThickAsThieves but with SDICE, [20:51]
ZedsterX MMORPG i understand :) [20:51]
ThickAsThieves keep an eye on the dividend for the month [20:52]
ThickAsThieves its looking pretty low this month so far [20:52]
ThickAsThieves whereas in past montgs [20:52]
ThickAsThieves recently [20:52]
ThickAsThieves its been higher [20:52]
ZedsterX where can you see an estimate of comi9ng dividends? [20:52]
ThickAsThieves nowhere [20:52]
ThickAsThieves but [20:52]
ZedsterX -9 [20:52]
ThickAsThieves you can figure it out [20:52]
ZedsterX ahh ok i see what your saying [20:52]
mircea_popescu ZedsterX there's dooglus' stuff which is pretty interesting [20:52]
mircea_popescu you seen that ? [20:52]
ThickAsThieves Dooglus does a daily report [20:53]
ZedsterX no sir [20:53]
ThickAsThieves sec [20:53]
ThickAsThieves https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=80312.0 [20:53]
ThickAsThieves however [20:53]
ThickAsThieves he reports the TOTAL revenue [20:53]
ThickAsThieves all time [20:53]
ZedsterX right [20:53]
mircea_popescu and obviously there's no rule saying it has to do in the future what it did in the past. [20:53]
ThickAsThieves so you have to also reference the monthly statements [20:53]
mircea_popescu but still, interesting stuff [20:54]
ThickAsThieves to know this months profit [20:54]
ZedsterX yes of course MP [20:54]
ThickAsThieves to date [20:54]
ThickAsThieves then what you can do [20:54]
ThickAsThieves is divide the profit for themonth so far [20:54]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves what's it ahead so far for march ? like 1-2k ? [20:54]
ThickAsThieves by how many days have passed [20:54]
ZedsterX ok i uderstand all that...so maybe I am not as dumb as i thought [20:54]
ThickAsThieves then multiply by the number of days in this month [20:54]
ThickAsThieves to project profit [20:54]
ZedsterX right [20:54]
ThickAsThieves yeah mp [20:55]
ThickAsThieves pretty low [20:55]
ThickAsThieves but sensible numbers dont seem to affect sdice share price [20:55]
ThickAsThieves it seems to often do the opposite :/ [20:55]
mircea_popescu lol ya, here's the funny thing i've noticed : [20:55]
ZedsterX i noticed that too and thought I was reading something wrong [20:55]
mircea_popescu when s.dice does well operationally, shares sell and price goes up [20:56]
mircea_popescu when it does poorly nobody is selling so trading freezes pretty much [20:56]
ThickAsThieves yep [20:56]
mircea_popescu it's as if there's group A which wants to buy cheap and hold forever and group B which wants to daytrade [20:56]
ThickAsThieves but there's still money to be made [20:56]
mircea_popescu and A is pretty much raping B [20:56]
ThickAsThieves day trading is still possible [20:56]
ThickAsThieves just a low qty [20:56]
mircea_popescu ya i guess so [20:57]
mircea_popescu anyway, when i'm old and i retire i'll write a book about the strange edge cases at the end of regulation in free mkt. [20:57]
ThickAsThieves if you are holding long term (which is a fantasy in bitcoin imo) [20:58]
ThickAsThieves then you look at everything differently [20:58]
ThickAsThieves if SDICE introduced a new product or game [20:58]
ZedsterX 2 different games [20:58]
ThickAsThieves it could skyrocket [20:58]
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ThickAsThieves but erik doesnt wanna grow any faster than he is it seems [20:59]
mircea_popescu im not entirely what his strategy is [20:59]
mircea_popescu ;;seen evoorhees [20:59]
gribble evoorhees was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 17 hours, 11 minutes, and 30 seconds ago: it's how resilient btc is in the face of them that matters [20:59]
ThickAsThieves seems to be focusing more on his personal brand right now [20:59]
ThickAsThieves doing interviews and being a bitcoin jesus [20:59]
ZedsterX isn't he tied with coinbase somehow also? [20:59]
Diablo-D3 http://bitcointipper.com/index.html [21:00]
ThickAsThieves could work for him [21:00]
mircea_popescu Diablo-D3 "Due to the high number of signups, we will not be able to accept new users." [21:00]
mircea_popescu sweet. [21:00]
ThickAsThieves gtg to a meeting ttyl [21:00]
mircea_popescu ZedsterX is he ? [21:00]
ZedsterX voorhees [21:01]
ZedsterX oh you were asking me? :P [21:02]
ZedsterX i wanna say coinbase or something like that...heck what do i know [21:02]
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ZedsterX ahhh it's BitInstant [21:04]
mircea_popescu yeah [21:04]
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mircea_popescu i mean it's a small community, pretty much everyone knows everyone, but otherwise... [21:04]
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ZedsterX mircea_popescu: your in europe right? [21:09]
kakobrekla all the cool kids are. [21:16]
ZedsterX hehe [21:16]
mircea_popescu yes. [21:17]
ZedsterX so why is there no BitInstant equivalent in EU? or do some countries? IE go to a store and pay cash for BTC instantly. I know Denmark doesn't [21:18]
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mircea_popescu ZedsterX bitcoin-central.net is much better [21:19]
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mircea_popescu you transfer funds to them isntantly and get bitcoin. sepa zone only, but miles ahead of mtgox and all the rest. [21:19]
mircea_popescu and they're properly registered (which nobody else is) [21:19]
ZedsterX sepa is not instant [21:20]
ZedsterX if i sepa from my online bank its queued for up to 24 hours [21:20]
kakobrekla another reason why bitcoin is 50. [21:20]
ThickAsThieves ;;ticker [21:21]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 46.85111, Best ask: 46.99000, Bid-ask spread: 0.13889, Last trade: 46.99000, 24 hour volume: 18791.39020569, 24 hour low: 46.35000, 24 hour high: 47.47999, 24 hour vwap: 47.08453 [21:21]
ThickAsThieves meeting cancelled, yay [21:21]
ZedsterX and a $7 charge [21:21]
mircea_popescu ZedsterX i know it's specified as "up to 24 hours" but in practice i've yet not had a transfer not be instant. [21:22]
ZedsterX sweet i will check it out ..only business days though right? [21:23]
mircea_popescu well yes [21:23]
ZedsterX just checking i can hope [21:23]
mircea_popescu anyway, considering what zee american folk put up with the weeks of mtgox/coinlab/etc... [21:25]
ThickAsThieves i sent campbx a check monday last week [21:26]
ThickAsThieves they are a 6-hr drive from me [21:26]
ThickAsThieves still no deposit :/ [21:26]
mircea_popescu typical horror story. [21:26]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 20 @ 0.00545 = 0.109 BTC [+] [21:28]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 11 @ 0.00545 = 0.06 BTC [+] [21:28]
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mircea_popescu Ukto https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=153444.0 mebbe your plate. [21:36]
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Ukto thanks [21:37]
ThickAsThieves not sure if this is a silly question, but in BTCT's Analysis area, when i sell a share, which value does it use to determine the value of that one share if I paid various prices and own many? [21:37]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 9 @ 0.79 = 7.11 BTC [+] [21:38]
mircea_popescu your cost basis would be logical. [21:38]
ThickAsThieves so it would take the amount i sold it for, subtract from the total current value and divide by whats left to give me my average [21:39]
mircea_popescu no. [21:39]
ThickAsThieves effectiveky [21:39]
ThickAsThieves ? [21:39]
mircea_popescu you buy shares q1..q2 at prices p1...p2. [21:40]
mircea_popescu this aggregates into a qt, pt pair which is qt = sum qi ; pt = sum pi *qi / sum qi [21:40]
mircea_popescu when you sell a share it counts it at pt. [21:40]
ThickAsThieves got it [21:41]
mircea_popescu course, i'm just saying it'd be logical... have no idea how they actually do it. [21:41]
ThickAsThieves i was asking both sides kinda [21:41]
kakobrekla philosoraptor if pi 3.14, qi is 6.28? [21:41]
ThickAsThieves i know only burnside can answer that aspect [21:42]
mircea_popescu lol [21:42]
Ukto posted, thanks again MP. going back to sleep [21:44]
mircea_popescu nn [21:44]
mircea_popescu hm, so how do i find a talented game artist person ;/ [21:45]
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ChubbyBeavers howdy [21:45]
jurov mircea_popescu u have instant sepa transfers to france? O.o [21:46]
ThickAsThieves find a game you think has a appropriate art and find out who they worked with [21:46]
jurov you have osme private bank, no? [21:46]
ThickAsThieves howdy Chub [21:46]
mircea_popescu jurov shit i said too much huh [21:46]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves that's an idea actually. [21:46]
ThickAsThieves is it illustrations or pixel work? [21:47]
ThickAsThieves or 2d rendering stuff? [21:47]
ThickAsThieves 3d* [21:47]
mircea_popescu illustrations. [21:47]
mircea_popescu basically, game cards. [21:47]
ThickAsThieves ha! [21:47]
ThickAsThieves i was gonna say [21:47]
mircea_popescu wha ? [21:47]
jurov ZedsterX, i have to wait 1-2 days. but the fee is 20 cents at most, no problem [21:47]
ThickAsThieves look at MTG artists [21:47]
mircea_popescu whossat ? [21:48]
ThickAsThieves lotsa good ones with decent rates [21:48]
mircea_popescu (mp only fucks aritsts, doesn't know any) [21:48]
ThickAsThieves Magic The Gathering [21:48]
mircea_popescu is there a forum or somfin' ? [21:48]
mircea_popescu jobsite ? [21:48]
ThickAsThieves dunno about that, [21:48]
ThickAsThieves but you can browse card art pretty easily [21:48]
ThickAsThieves and they all say the artist name on the card [21:48]
ThickAsThieves and each artist typically has a website [21:49]
mircea_popescu you know this is pretty sweet an idea. thanks thicksy [21:49]
ThickAsThieves np [21:49]
smickles anyone here have a windows machine, an mpex account and a willingness to see if my mpex gui windows package will work on their system? [21:49]
ThickAsThieves there are also less popular games [21:49]
ThickAsThieves with just as good art [21:49]
jurov smickles i have [21:49]
ThickAsThieves those artists might be cheaper [21:49]
mircea_popescu i don't really mind paying something reasonable. [21:49]
kakobrekla send it over smickles [21:50]
smickles alright jurov, i'll setup a link to the file and pm it to ya [21:50]
* Namworld points to everyone to beware of smickles who will still private keys and said MPEx accounts. [21:50]
jurov i have only xp here. guess kako has sth better [21:50]
Namworld Just joking. Nice to see a GUI being made. [21:50]
jurov so we can both test [21:50]
mircea_popescu Namworld still ? [21:50]
Doffx mpex account still 50 btc? [21:50]
mircea_popescu Doffx 30 yet [21:50]
Namworld Wasn't it 30 BTC? [21:51]
jurov Doffx: no, 90 [21:51]
Doffx lol [21:51]
jurov http://mpex.co/faq.html#17 [21:51]
ThickAsThieves mp, http://tnielsen.com/ [21:51]
ThickAsThieves she's pretty venerable in the MTG world [21:51]
Doffx Looks like 30 [21:52]
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ThickAsThieves this guy is dope too http://www.rkaneproductions.com/ [21:52]
ThickAsThieves comic book artists is another idea [21:53]
ThickAsThieves i'll stop now :) [21:53]
Namworld You need an account Doffx? =/ [21:53]
mircea_popescu Contact Us / FAQ. If you have a questions not answered below, please complete the Contact Information form below and we will contact you as soon as possible. [21:53]
mircea_popescu heh. i'll pass. [21:53]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.79 BTC [+] [21:55]
Doffx No, I do not Namworld. [21:55]
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jborkl smicklies, i can give it a try also [22:10]
jborkl smickles [22:10]
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assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 2 @ 0.00545 = 0.0109 BTC [+] [22:16]
jurov moment, he has to redo it... unpacked it, the win directory was full with .so files and ELF binaries :D [22:19]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11606 @ 0.00073181 = 8.4934 BTC [+] [22:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7714 @ 0.00073435 = 5.6648 BTC [+] [22:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1475 @ 0.0058822 = 8.6762 BTC [-] [22:49]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 586 @ 0.00073435 = 0.4303 BTC [+] [22:51]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1400 @ 0.00073667 = 1.0313 BTC [+] [22:51]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7939 @ 0.0007407 = 5.8804 BTC [+] [22:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8594 @ 0.00074616 = 6.4125 BTC [+] [22:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00076706 = 0.7671 BTC [+] [22:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 481 @ 0.00076717 = 0.369 BTC [+] [22:52]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 15 @ 0.79 = 11.85 BTC [+] [22:53]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.55 = 3.85 BTC [-] [22:53]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.5311 BTC [-] [22:54]
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mircea_popescu anyone doing store gift stuff for btc anymore ? [23:05]
ChubbyBeavers i normally convert to amazon these days [23:06]
ChubbyBeavers can get almost everything on amazon [23:06]
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ThickAsThieves mp, doesnt bitmit have those? [23:07]
ThickAsThieves or SR [23:07]
mircea_popescu i want trader joe;'s specifically [23:07]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves i have no idea tbh [23:07]
jcpham https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=153453.0;topicseen [23:07]
jcpham ^ mircea_popescu [23:08]
mircea_popescu jcpham i like dt's reply [23:08]
jcpham ya me too [23:09]
jcpham what causes people to share that much info with strangers [23:09]
mircea_popescu boredom. [23:10]
mircea_popescu i think you underestimate just how empty the average life is. [23:10]
mircea_popescu notwithstanding midnightmagic's copacetic delusions, the majority of the population lives confined to a vinyl siding box with a lcd screen in it. that's all, all day long, weeks after weeks after weeks. [23:11]
mircea_popescu just... empty nothing. [23:11]
jcpham i mostly just masterbate [23:11]
mircea_popescu master bait ? [23:12]
mircea_popescu master bathe ? [23:12]
jcpham no i put my hand on my cock [23:12]
jcpham and move it around a lot until i orgasm [23:12]
mircea_popescu o urcock. with an u :D [23:12]
jcpham try it sometime [23:13]
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mircea_popescu im wrapped up too tight. [23:13]
skytrader_ hi everyone. Is btc-e down? [23:13]
jcpham i'm lying, I've never masterbated in my life [23:13]
mircea_popescu hi skytrader_ we dunno. is it ? [23:14]
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skytrader_ I can go to www.btc-e.com but I can't load any other page [23:14]
jborkl micrea-popescu, I do not know how you don't strangle puppies after IRC [23:15]
jborkl or BCT [23:15]
mircea_popescu jborkl cause i cut up rabbits. [23:15]
jborkl oh, well -I see [23:15]
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mircea_popescu https://www.bitinstant.com/ [23:21]
mircea_popescu Could not connect to remote server [23:21]
mircea_popescu am i alone ? [23:21]
Namworld yes [23:22]
Namworld I hope it's not too lonely out there. [23:22]
jurov so, bitcoins end up being considered gateway drug and banned thus? funny [23:22]
mircea_popescu jurov ? [23:23]
mircea_popescu Hmm, www.bitinstant.com isn't loading right now. [23:23]
mircea_popescu The computers that run www.bitinstant.com are having some trouble. Usually this is just a temporary problem, so you might want to try again in a few minutes. [23:23]
jborkl butterfly labs getting ddos [23:23]
mircea_popescu dude its not even resolving [23:23]
jurov saw that thead... guy wanted to invest, lost all to sdice [23:23]
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jurov oh, why nobody told him to buy s.dice stock? must fix. [23:24]
Namworld Would be funny that BFL never delivers... [23:25]
jborkl he thought he would invest in less than 1 [23:26]
ThickAsThieves bitinstant.com Error 21 (net::ERR_NETWORK_CHANGED): Unknown error. [23:26]
mircea_popescu Namworld http://browsershots.org/https://www.bitinstant.com/ [23:26]
mircea_popescu it's mostly not loading. [23:26]
mircea_popescu i think they're getting da ddos. [23:26]
Namworld oh. I only tried once but it loaded [23:26]
Namworld DDoS possibly, yeah [23:26]
mircea_popescu you prolly rode the storm [23:26]
ThickAsThieves loads now [23:26]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves if you look there, it loaded for like 2% of the browsers. typical ddos sympthom [23:27]
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Namworld I'll assume someone manipulated the price, sold a bunch near 30-50 and his now trying to impact Bitcoin negatively. But only because I don't like the idea someone would do it for entertainment purposes/spite. [23:29]
Namworld I refresh but it loads in like 0.25 seconds here each time. [23:30]
Namworld Odd. [23:30]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.837898 = 8.379 BTC [+] [23:30]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.837899 = 8.379 BTC [+] [23:31]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.83799 = 3.352 BTC [+] [23:31]
mircea_popescu interesting. [23:31]
Anduck wtf [23:32]
Anduck asicminer is so overrated [23:32]
Anduck xD [23:32]
Anduck 0.84 for a share [23:32]
assbot [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 2 @ 0.005199 = 0.0104 BTC [+] [23:32]
Anduck kidneys? [23:32]
Anduck (those were my shares that got sold btw= [23:32]
Namworld I could have had 2k if mircea hadn't borrowed them to short long ago xD [23:32]
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jcpham taking the pools offline at the same time and solomining is probably the most profitable thing you can do [23:33]
jcpham seems like no one is trying that anymore [23:33]
mircea_popescu lol ya that didn't work too well huh. [23:33]
mircea_popescu jcpham how does that work ? spend a week on a block ? [23:33]
jcpham well back when things were simpler... [23:34]
Namworld oddly enough, A good idea it would appear, but you'd need people to stick to those pools for like a whole difficulty to bring it down. [23:34]
Namworld They'd probably all switch to solo [23:34]
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jcpham you don't need a terahash [23:35]
Anduck so umm [23:38]
Anduck what do you guys think of ASICMINER share value? [23:38]
Anduck i think it's way high... [23:38]
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Namworld Some think it's undervalued... idk [23:39]
ThickAsThieves if the asic release climate remains unchanged, other than asicminer getting 60TH online [23:45]
ThickAsThieves its grossly undervalued [23:45]
ThickAsThieves but obv Luke Jr will save the day for BFL, he's our HeeRo right? [23:46]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves so far avalons seem to be dominating hashing [23:47]
mircea_popescu judging by how unknowns have shrunk the asicminer pools [23:47]
ThickAsThieves are they i havent been keeping up i guess [23:47]
ThickAsThieves do they mostly use ozcoin? [23:48]
ThickAsThieves oh wait [23:48]
ThickAsThieves you said uknowns [23:48]
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jborkl 300 units by 68- should be about 20 th from avalon- depending on what is delivered [23:49]
tiberiusiv unknows are like 55-60% of the pool now [23:49]
jborkl network is at 39 th [23:49]
tiberiusiv how many avalons are already out? [23:49]
jborkl how much is asicminer supposed to be? [23:50]
jborkl how many th [23:50]
ThickAsThieves asic is at 6th i think [23:51]
ThickAsThieves asicminer [23:51]
jborkl 6th from am- 10 from avalon and the 24 we had before [23:52]
jborkl seems about right [23:52]
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jurov ;;bc,stats [23:52]
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gribble Current Blocks: 226060 | Current Difficulty: 4847647.152065606 | Next Difficulty At Block: 227807 | Next Difficulty In: 1747 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 22 hours, 13 minutes, and 38 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 5828967.64264 | Estimated Percent Change: 20.24323 [23:52]
ThickAsThieves i think there are some other factors to consider re stock values that people aret considering, [23:53]
ThickAsThieves that we are spoiled at current interest rates [23:53]
ThickAsThieves which will get squeezed to be smaller over time [23:53]
ThickAsThieves and which assets will be most resilient to that [23:53]
ThickAsThieves asicminer? sdice? [23:53]
jurov ThickAsThieves: how they will get squeezed? [23:54]
ThickAsThieves more investors [23:54]
ThickAsThieves more money being invested overall [23:54]
jurov yes, dramatic price increase then... and that's bad thing? [23:54]
ThickAsThieves today i can be picky and say and choose from stuff that pays 1%, 2%, 5% per month [23:55]
ThickAsThieves but thats so high in the scheme of things [23:55]
ThickAsThieves or should i say, compared to wall st [23:56]
ThickAsThieves and banks [23:56]
assbot [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.00672 BTC [-] [23:56]
assbot [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.006711 BTC [-] [23:57]
tiberiusiv rates will decline on bitcoin investments [23:57]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 2 @ 0.000674 = 0.0013 BTC [-] [23:58]
jurov As long as whole thing remains unregulated, there will be new HYIPs, some even legit. [23:58]
tiberiusiv without taxes + reg burdens most stock market dividends would be 30-80% higher then they are today [23:59]
assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.0099 BTC [-] [23:59]
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