Forum logs for 14 Mar 2013

Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

deadweasel	also, it's just software. you ever seen 100% bug free software?	[00:00]
deadweasel	not me	[00:00]
mircea_popescu	yes, i have.	[00:00]
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mircea_popescu	do you want to see some ?	[00:00]
benkay	deadweasel i imagine you see mostly pretty buggy software	[00:01]
mircea_popescu	this windows worldview is intolerable by now.	[00:01]
mircea_popescu	"o, we just shit in the code because really, who cares"	[00:01]
jurov	why do the girl (or/and you) insists going into such arguments? that's excellent the bait for taking the debate away from core points	[00:02]
deadweasel	benkay mayhab I did, mayhab I didn't	[00:02]
mircea_popescu	in this cause because wuille's lie needs to be excised.	[00:02]
jurov	arguing who did or did not solve anything brilliantly or ducttape	[00:02]
mircea_popescu	they try to maintain the client above the spec. this shall not stand.	[00:02]
mircea_popescu	and they need to understand that they are kinda dumb. i dunno why they've not got it this far, but...	[00:03]
mircea_popescu	it might be all the fanboism	[00:03]
jurov	yes, spec+compliance tests. personal performance is tangential	[00:03]
mircea_popescu	it may be tangential technically. there are significant political concerns involved here.	[00:03]
mircea_popescu	let's just say the forum is not the github	[00:04]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.57499999 BTC [+]	[00:04]
mircea_popescu	deadweasel	[00:04]
mircea_popescu	let me know when yo ufind a bug.	[00:04]
deadweasel	how much are they paid?	[00:05]
mircea_popescu	if i fuck a girl and she sucks at it	[00:05]
mircea_popescu	and i tell her that and her response is that question	[00:05]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.7 = 1.4 BTC [-]	[00:05]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.7 = 1.4 BTC [-]	[00:05]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.695 = 1.39 BTC [-]	[00:05]
mircea_popescu	does this make me think she was actually any better than i originally thought ?	[00:05]
deadweasel	you've lost me	[00:06]
mircea_popescu	you take a girl out, right ?	[00:06]
deadweasel	i'm just curious how big the dev team is and what their budget is.	[00:06]
mircea_popescu	ah, i read an implication there.	[00:06]
mircea_popescu	the dev team is about six people (it does not include Luke-Jr, tho he keeps trying to pretend he's a dev)	[00:07]
jurov	i mean, what's the objective? getting devteam to admit their process sucks? then such argument misses the objective (albeit narrowly), cause it's aimed to people, not to process	[00:07]
mircea_popescu	they aren't paid, except for gavin, who is probably not paid anything much at all.	[00:07]
mircea_popescu	the foundation collected about half a million dollars which that conman from ycombinator controls	[00:07]
mircea_popescu	and will probably constitute the scamdrama of this summer.	[00:07]
mircea_popescu	jurov the objective is to illuminate the very rotten structure of their arguments.	[00:07]
jurov	i doubt this approach. you ought to decide whether you want to educate or get things done	[00:10]
jurov	not conflate it together	[00:11]
mircea_popescu	could this be extended to read "you ought to decide whether you want to run mpex, educate or get things done"?	[00:11]
jurov	whatever. as long as you know what ur doing	[00:12]
mircea_popescu	well, i hope i do and that's the best you can possibly get.	[00:12]
mircea_popescu	but if those who get things done don't educate, who will ? those who don't ? we;ve seen the results of that one heh.	[00:12]
smickles	so, it has come to this	[00:13]
jurov	those who will be left behind will educate themselves, as usual	[00:13]
mircea_popescu	smickles not quite so cut and dried yet,	[00:13]
smickles	this being 3:13 pm	[00:13]
smickles	;D	[00:13]
mircea_popescu	i suspect past the original shock a good chunk of them ppl are actually reasonable in the head.	[00:14]
jurov	smickles, what?	[00:15]
smickles	jurov: what what?	[00:15]
jurov	that 3:13pm ... at least add the proxy, i confirmed t working via http://www.ipv6proxy.net/ , too	[00:15]
smickles	$proxies	[00:16]
mpexbot	smickles: ["http://mpex.co", "http://mpex.ws", "http://mpex.bz", "http://mpex.coinbr.com"]	[00:16]
jurov	["http://mpex.co", "http://mpex.ws", "http://mpex.bz", "http://mpex.coinbr.com", "http://mpex6.coinbr.com"]	[00:16]
mircea_popescu	can has ipv6	[00:16]
smickles	$proxies GPv6MV5E	[00:17]
mpexbot	smickles: ["http://mpex.co", "http://mpex.ws", "http://mpex.bz", "http://mpex.coinbr.com", "http://www.ipv6proxy.net"]	[00:17]
smickles	wait, did i just nix one of them?	[00:17]
smickles	oh what did i just do?	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	lol	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	you resolved it by proxy ?	[00:18]
jurov	noooo ipv6proxy is just testing site	[00:18]
smickles	one sec	[00:18]
jurov	mpex6.coinbr.com is the business	[00:18]
kakobrekla	;;ticker	[00:19]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 46.75723, Best ask: 46.95000, Bid-ask spread: 0.19277, Last trade: 46.95000, 24 hour volume: 49142.94060722, 24 hour low: 43.75080, 24 hour high: 47.29500, 24 hour vwap: 46.23022	[00:19]
mircea_popescu	the calm. this is impossible	[00:19]
mircea_popescu	no 30% swings in a day ? waht sort of bitcoin is this!	[00:19]
jurov	someone click that $1m button quickly	[00:19]
smickles	$proxies DfwUaFTD	[00:20]
mpexbot	smickles: ["http://mpex.co", "http://mpex.ws", "http://mpex.bz", "http://mpex.coinbr.com", "http://www.ipv6proxy.net"]	[00:20]
smickles	!!!	[00:20]
jurov	facepalm	[00:20]
jurov	smickles, why not use the list i supplied?	[00:20]
mircea_popescu	smickles count the dashes baby	[00:21]
smickles	$proxies Dsc5KCB9	[00:21]
mpexbot	smickles: ["http://mpex.co", "http://mpex.ws", "http://mpex.bz", "http://mpex.coinbr.com", "http://mpex6.coinbr.com"]	[00:21]
jurov	thanks!	[00:21]
smickles	jurov: i did, i messed up by pasting just the sig	[00:21]
mircea_popescu	:D	[00:21]
smickles	w/o the message	[00:21]
mircea_popescu	i feel better nao	[00:21]
mircea_popescu	deposits flushed btw	[00:22]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152498.0	[00:24]
mircea_popescu	ajhaha	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	this guy lmao	[00:25]
benkay	what does that mean?	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	wannabe mpoe-pr, w/o the tits, w/o the spit&grit ?	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	benkay that.	[00:25]
benkay	what do you mean by "flushing deposits"?	[00:26]
mircea_popescu	a. mpex deposits and withdrawals are processed manually.	[00:26]
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kakobrekla	he throws the coins in the toilet and flushes	[00:27]
mircea_popescu	that means a queue builds	[00:27]
kakobrekla	bye bye	[00:27]
mircea_popescu	ta-daa	[00:27]
benkay	i've always wondered why you do the deposits by hand	[00:27]
benkay	instead of depositor-unique receipt addresses	[00:27]
mircea_popescu	benkay there was exactly one bitcoin business unaffected by bitcoindev idiocy	[00:27]
mircea_popescu	guess which.	[00:27]
assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 15 @ 0.1 = 1.5 BTC [+]	[00:27]
kakobrekla	thats why withdrawals have been deprecated on mpex	[00:27]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.57 = 1.71 BTC [-]	[00:28]
mircea_popescu	hint : no, it wasn't those that trust them, like btc-guild.	[00:28]
benkay	i understand withdrawals.	[00:28]
mircea_popescu	you should understand deposits by the example i just gave.	[00:28]
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benkay	are you talking about mpex deposits into customer addresses?	[00:28]
mircea_popescu	...	[00:29]
smickles	benkay: manual withdrawals protect the customer, manual deposits protect mpex (maybe)	[00:29]
mircea_popescu	(sometimes)	[00:29]
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benkay	i don't really get why incoming funds need to be processed by hand	[00:30]
jborkl	Lol, withdrawals have been deprecated	[00:30]
benkay	not trying to say you're doing it wrong. trying to understand why you do it the way you do.	[00:30]
mircea_popescu	but think, benkay. version .8 comes out. the chain is split	[00:31]
mircea_popescu	okpay gets a deposit in	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	it is then doubplespent on the other chain	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	the other chain inexplicably prevails	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	okpay is out 12k	[00:32]
benkay	>.<	[00:32]
smickles	ug, who's brilliant idea was it to have an installation video and skip the text version	[00:32]
benkay	thanks for thinking for me.	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	heh. yw.	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	smickles sounds like something godaddy would do.	[00:33]
benkay	different question, mp: why u no do depositor-unique addresses for mpex deposits?	[00:33]
smickles	I should do that and make a video of the text 'RTFM' with a link	[00:33]
assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 30 @ 0.1 = 3 BTC [+]	[00:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.575 BTC [+]	[00:34]
mircea_popescu	benkay what would be the benefit iyo ?	[00:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C490N] 9 @ 0.2 = 1.8 BTC [+]	[00:34]
benkay	not having to identify deposits by amount.	[00:34]
mircea_popescu	suppose evil person X makes a payment to mpex.	[00:35]
kakobrekla	ya but one key with large sum is way cooler!	[00:35]
mircea_popescu	mpex later pays out to innocent person y.	[00:35]
mircea_popescu	taint analysis idiots prosecute person y because clearly taint analysis proves he's x.	[00:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00599987 = 1.8 BTC [+]	[00:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 141 @ 0.00599987 = 0.846 BTC [+]	[00:36]
assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 8 @ 0.1 = 0.8 BTC [+]	[00:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.75 BTC [+]	[00:37]
smickles	all hail the romainians for protecting us from idiot juries	[00:37]
mircea_popescu	this is just an edge example, there's tons of others just as good really.	[00:38]
benkay	hm.	[00:38]
mircea_popescu	testing for inbound is a few degrees of magnitude easier with fixed address	[00:38]
benkay	so: nail me to the wall on this one, wouldja?	[00:38]
benkay	i've been thinking about generating completely unique receipt addresses for each funding action	[00:39]
benkay	s/completely/moderately	[00:39]
mircea_popescu	eh	[00:39]
mircea_popescu	how's something moderately unique ?	[00:39]
benkay	they're all descended from the same keypair	[00:39]
mircea_popescu	a okay	[00:39]
benkay	quibble accepted	[00:39]
benkay	generating new receipt addresses for each funding action	[00:40]
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benkay	mostly for convenience on the backend	[00:40]
benkay	doesn't address blockchain forking, granted.	[00:40]
mircea_popescu	stop worring and just explain the idea	[00:40]
benkay	oh	[00:40]
benkay	customer hits funding page	[00:40]
benkay	new address generates	[00:41]
benkay	sends funds	[00:41]
benkay	we tie address to user account	[00:41]
benkay	wait for confirmations on spend to new address	[00:41]
benkay	credit account	[00:41]
mircea_popescu	you are vulnerable to a particularly nasty dos attack	[00:41]
mircea_popescu	i could just ask you generate addresses, bloat your wallet to 5gb	[00:41]
benkay	nod	[00:42]
mircea_popescu	as we know, devteam hasn't mastered the mysteries of configuring berkley	[00:42]
mircea_popescu	i on the other hand haven't mastered the mysteries of spelling berkeley	[00:42]
mircea_popescu	benkay but anyway, that's how bitbet does it.	[00:42]
smickles	ha! you make spelling errors too!	[00:42]
mircea_popescu	i don't think it's fundamentally evil or anything.	[00:43]
mircea_popescu	wnrog smiglez	[00:43]
kakobrekla	well you limit the damage	[00:43]
kakobrekla	that can be caused	[00:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.57 = 1.14 BTC [-]	[00:44]
assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 30 @ 0.1 = 3 BTC [+]	[00:44]
assbot	[BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.1999 BTC [-]	[00:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P430T] 500 @ 0.07993896 = 39.9695 BTC [-]	[00:45]
benkay	is it necessarily true that the wallet has to bloat?	[00:47]
benkay	can't you spend from the master key?	[00:47]
kakobrekla	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152747.0	[00:47]
benkay	jonathan assia also says interesting things on the bitcoinx dev list	[00:48]
midnightmagic	the dev team effectively includes luke-jr, and a massive amount of work he has done makes it into bitcoind	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	you have to keep the privkeys of all adresses you receive btc in	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	for as long as you keep the btc there	[00:48]
dub	dont people tend to generate a lot of addresses in advance fot his type of thing?	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	midnightmagic may i direct you to bitcoin.orgh	[00:49]
mircea_popescu	dub yes.	[00:49]
benkay	ah, so that's how it works today.	[00:49]
midnightmagic	mircea_popescu: Whatever it says there is irrelevant if a huge amount of his work makes it into the codebase.	[00:49]
benkay	what i really want is bip0032 addresses	[00:49]
mircea_popescu	midnightmagic listen up : you folks don't get to change things just by power of friendship which is magic.	[00:50]
mircea_popescu	lukejr would love to be a developer, but he's mostly a useless contributor.	[00:50]
midnightmagic	mircea_popescu: I have no idea what you're talking about now.	[00:50]
mircea_popescu	that's ok, it comes in time.	[00:50]
mircea_popescu	most people need about six months.	[00:50]
midnightmagic	even the stuff he does that doesn't make it in provides backdrop for the stuff that does.	[00:50]
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mircea_popescu	his overall impact on bitcoin is net negative.	[00:50]
midnightmagic	mircea_popescu: Have you considered the possibility that he himself is not interested in being listed on bitcoin.org ?	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	and if you don't like hearing it from me, ask gavin.	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla pretty cool.	[00:52]
jurov	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152498.msg1621918#msg1621918 still repeating the "unfunded opensource project" mantra	[00:52]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.565 = 1.13 BTC [-]	[00:53]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[00:53]
mircea_popescu	"give us more money so coinlab can float it on top of whatever it gets from users"	[00:53]
mircea_popescu	"but we can't finance anything useful because bitcoin"	[00:53]
mircea_popescu	anyway, i wouldn't deign jgarzik's crossposted crap with much attention.	[00:54]
mircea_popescu	he wants to talk, he'd better sit his sweet ass down and talk.	[00:54]
mircea_popescu	this posturing and delusions of self importance will simply bring them more asskicking.	[00:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.56 = 1.12 BTC [-]	[00:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.5500001 = 2.2 BTC [-]	[00:56]
midnightmagic	mircea_popescu: Have you ever considered the possibility that, if you want to actually convince people, being less ascerbic is vastly more effective than more?	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	have you ever reviewed my record ?	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	i wouldn't bet much on the future of anyone that thinks they can stand up to my acerbic. but hey, your money, your vote.	[00:57]
midnightmagic	This is a people issue I bring up, not a by-rights issue. Are you actually interested in persuasion, or just in ranting angrily because.. why?	[00:57]
mircea_popescu	i am not interested in persuasion.	[00:58]
mircea_popescu	i am interested in splitting any group into two, the sensible and the worthless	[00:58]
mircea_popescu	and then crushing the worthless.	[00:58]
midnightmagic	Then what is your purpose? Division?	[00:58]
mircea_popescu	if people have enough sense, they'll persuade themselves.	[00:58]
smickles	wtf captcha!	[00:58]
smickles	i just filled out a captcha, got it wrong	[00:58]
smickles	the next one says "almost sucker"	[00:59]
dub	you are clearly not human	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	smickles it's why i never do that, fucking hell i get them wrong half the time	[00:59]
midnightmagic	Reasonable humans will be turned off why your acidity. Are you seriously interested in attracting angry raging psychopaths?	[00:59]
midnightmagic	Much of what you're saying is precisely what the microcash guy was saying.	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	midnightmagic i am interested in attracking ACTUAL reasonable people, as opposed to the self proclaimed variety.	[00:59]
dub	and since there is a distinct lack of reasonable humans involved in bitcon dev...	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	dub there's plenty of self proclaimed reasonable people there	[01:00]
jurov	midnightmagic can you name some of the angry raging psychopaths that were attracted to mp?	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	who sat on an unconfigured db setup for 4 years	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	very fucking reasonable.	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	jurov lukejr!	[01:00]
midnightmagic	jurov: I have seen this happen before with RealSolid.	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	nowait!	[01:01]
mircea_popescu	i mean eskimoblob! ciuciu! etc!	[01:01]
mircea_popescu	midnightmagic you should at some point consider that the similarities you perceive are more a function of dirt on your lens than actual object of observation.	[01:01]
jurov	lol my question was understood the other and third way around	[01:01]
mircea_popescu	similarities are by definition subject to this suspicion.	[01:01]
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midnightmagic	So build the alternative already. Hire the cryptographers, coders, project managers, QA staff, and release engineering departments you think are so cheap and visionless on their own. If you think this alternative will win, build it and let it win.	[01:04]
mircea_popescu	why exactly do you feel the need to advise ?	[01:05]
midnightmagic	Why exactly do you feel the need to divide?	[01:05]
mircea_popescu	"you people fucked up" "please stop telling us we fucked up because :	[01:05]
mircea_popescu	1. it is not nice	[01:05]
mircea_popescu	2. you shouldn't be telling us this	[01:05]
mircea_popescu	3. you should be doing somerthing else	[01:05]
mircea_popescu	4. yo momma	[01:05]
mircea_popescu	etc	[01:05]
mircea_popescu	you call this reasonable ? dude, srsly. just becasuse your friends tell you you're pretty doesn't make you easier on the eyes than the average shaved donkey butt	[01:06]
benkay	project managers	[01:06]
midnightmagic	Since when did I call the bitcoin devs reasonable?	[01:06]
benkay	burn with fire	[01:06]
mircea_popescu	so what's your argument ?	[01:07]
midnightmagic	I said, "reasonable humans will be turned off..."	[01:07]
midnightmagic	Obviously the devs themselves aren't going to bother participating in your alternative.	[01:07]
mircea_popescu	who, specifically ?	[01:07]
midnightmagic	Whoever it is you think will make your attempt at dividing bitcoin successful.	[01:07]
midnightmagic	Presumably not insane psychopaths.	[01:07]
mircea_popescu	you are telling me about the minute characteristics of a set you can't let alone define other than by reference to me, but even nominally identify in no matter how small a part ?	[01:08]
mircea_popescu	wouldn't this be by definition something i'd know better than you then ?	[01:08]
midnightmagic	You are the one who claimed you are interested in dividing bitcoin, and on one side "ACTUAL reasonable people". You are the one who defined it.	[01:08]
mircea_popescu	and i am not dividing bitcoin, for that matter.	[01:08]
mircea_popescu	no, i made no such claim.	[01:09]
midnightmagic	Again, the difference here is that I am actually trying to communicate, and you are trying to be contradictory.	[01:09]
mircea_popescu	bitcoin is NOT the group of idiots that identify with it	[01:09]
midnightmagic	15:59 < mircea_popescu> midnightmagic i am interested in attracking ACTUAL reasonable people, as opposed to the self proclaimed variety.	[01:09]
mircea_popescu	and bitcoin is not divisible.	[01:09]
midnightmagic	^^ What's that then?	[01:09]
mircea_popescu	what i am doing is i am dividing the group of bitcoin supporters, by taking away bitcoin.	[01:09]
midnightmagic	.. from the current developers, presumably?	[01:10]
mircea_popescu	the reasonable will follow. the "they think are reasonable" will continue in the sort of fanboish obscurity they enjoy.	[01:10]
mircea_popescu	bitcoin has no developers atm, for that matter.	[01:10]
mircea_popescu	just some kids drowning in code.	[01:10]
mircea_popescu	they're kids because their window to man up and "we fucked up, yes" has by now closed.	[01:10]
mircea_popescu	they're drowning in code for quite obvious reasons i won't rehash.	[01:11]
midnightmagic	And users who "support" them. Including the biggest exchange, most of the smaller exchanges, the major developers, the cryptographers who review the work done, the pools who secure the blockchain, and the hardware builders springing up to do so who have already made strong ties with the current development team.	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	the "biggest exchange" is written in php,	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	had 500 second lag during a light trade day	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	and just gave its us market away to a patent scam.	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	tyvm. the approximate sum value of your list is epslion.	[01:11]
midnightmagic	So is Facebook, isn't it?	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	exactly.	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	you're welcome to stick with facebook.	[01:12]
mircea_popescu	i'll go with bitcoin.	[01:12]
midnightmagic	I'm saying, "PHP is bad" is just another form of "no true scotsman"	[01:12]
mircea_popescu	and if you think the pools are currently securing anything you're pretty much in the raging psychopath group yourself.	[01:12]
mircea_popescu	what has the successful attack recently demonstrated ?	[01:12]
kakobrekla	that btc is headless	[01:13]
midnightmagic	Lots of things. I can't possibly imagine which subset of the whole you are referring to.	[01:13]
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mircea_popescu	yaya. mkay.	[01:13]
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mircea_popescu	i note you picked the stylistical out of that list. do address the lag and the other point sometime.	[01:13]
midnightmagic	I'm not going to defend the bitcoin developers. I'm just interested in what motivates your incredible.. determination.. to rant and attack so endlessly.	[01:15]
benkay	you might want to read polimedia	[01:15]
mircea_popescu	my motivation is to state the truth.	[01:15]
benkay	you know	[01:15]
benkay	do some research	[01:15]
midnightmagic	benkay: How helpful of you. I bow to your mighty helpfulness.	[01:16]
kakobrekla	trilema needs .edu domain	[01:16]
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mircea_popescu	moar like .xxx	[01:17]
benkay	if you're being sarcastic, I don't parse sarcasm online.	[01:17]
kakobrekla	eudxxx	[01:17]
mircea_popescu	.edu is for things that don't change anything.	[01:17]
mircea_popescu	eduxxx ftw!	[01:17]
midnightmagic	benkay: How helpful of you. I bow to your mighty helpfulness.	[01:17]
benkay	ah	[01:17]
mircea_popescu	someone should make htsp and then have inane specifications	[01:17]
midnightmagic	mircea_popescu: Look, I'm telling you dude. The more you rant, the more you are going to alienate people who would otherwise be much more interested in supporting your point of view.	[01:18]
benkay	midnightmagic: have you read polimedia?	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	no dude. you are telling me that some vanitous idiots would like the benefit of claiming we're friends	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	but witout having to put in any work.	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	thing is... i couldn't care less about this.	[01:18]
midnightmagic	mircea_popescu: You don't have to be friends with someone to engage in civil discourse.	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	i am engaging in very civil discourse,.	[01:19]
mircea_popescu	the problem is that some people ran off with their c++ hairball implementation of what they call civil discourse	[01:19]
mircea_popescu	i never got the spec and i never started caring.	[01:19]
midnightmagic	mircea_popescu: And I know of no examples of people who are interested in the Badge: "I tell everybody I'm mircea's friend and reap benefits thereby."	[01:19]
midnightmagic	mircea_popescu: I would say, good on you for ignoring those people.	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	midnightmagic read bitcoin-dev sometime. it's chockfull.	[01:22]
midnightmagic	It is for those exact reasons why the need is great for heterogency in client implementations. Thus, I say you should do it. Create an alternative implementation and go for it.	[01:22]
mircea_popescu	i am not creating any implementation	[01:22]
mircea_popescu	jesus fucking christ! dude! SPECIFICATION FIRST	[01:22]
mircea_popescu	what the hell is wrong with everybody	[01:22]
midnightmagic	Then do it. Do the work that the devs can't or won't, and build the spec.	[01:22]
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midnightmagic	That's part of what a devteam does.	[01:22]
mircea_popescu	more's the point, can you read c++ ?	[01:23]
midnightmagic	Can I?	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	i am asking.	[01:23]
midnightmagic	Yes.	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	do you want to summarize bitcoin code ?	[01:23]
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midnightmagic	As you are so fond of saying, hire the braindead monkeys who can do it for you for the peanuts you say they're worth, and have them do it.	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	so i'm takingthat as a sort of up and down and all about no.	[01:24]
midnightmagic	I am not interested in working on that project, if you are offering me a job.	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	so then what are we talkin' about.	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	you just bored at work or something ?	[01:25]
midnightmagic	Are you?	[01:25]
mircea_popescu	sigh. mkay.	[01:26]
midnightmagic	I know you have trouble when people talk back to you and all, but geez man. At a certain point, don't let the concorde fallacy trap you into pursuing a dead end.	[01:28]
jurov	midnightmagic you think writing spec from code is work for mokyes?	[01:29]
jurov	monkeys?	[01:29]
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midnightmagic	jurov: I'm not. He says so all the time. Perhaps you should take benkay's advice.	[01:29]
jurov	midnightmagic you revealed your gaping incompetence in this area then	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	midnightmagic i have trouble when people talk back ?!	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	seriously midnightmagic, i think you're abstracting your past history of interaction with who knows who and painting it on me.	[01:30]
midnightmagic	jurov: Still the rhetorical master I see.	[01:30]
mircea_popescu	as far as i know we've never met.	[01:30]
jurov	midnightmagic, I still lack concrete examples. Names.	[01:30]
jurov	Either the "reaging idiots" who supposedly are attracted to mp	[01:31]
midnightmagic	mircea_popescu: I have no idea what you're getting at.	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	i am getting at this :	[01:31]
jurov	Or the "reasonable people" that would be supportng him "if..."	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	if you spend your childhood living among white people, abnd being told niggers are to be identified by x y z and they do k l m things,	[01:31]
midnightmagic	jurov: Your English still needs work. My verb tense in context was indicative of that-which-happens-from-here-on.	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	you are bound to misbehave wehn confronted with actual black people.	[01:31]
midnightmagic	jurov: I dunno actual names. It's irrelevant to the point.	[01:32]
kakobrekla	O_o	[01:32]
mircea_popescu	just so, it'd seem to me, you've been told how to identify independent thought, and what great evil it is, and now when you discover it in the actual world you immediately jump to the conclusion tis evil.	[01:32]
Luke-Jr	midnightmagic: O.o?	[01:32]
jurov	midnightmagic, so there was not the case in the past? what is the problem then?	[01:32]
mircea_popescu	tis not evil.	[01:32]
midnightmagic	Luke-Jr: hello. I hope all my statements including you were correctly inferenced as rhetorical device and not assertions of fact.	[01:33]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[01:33]
midnightmagic	mircea_popescu: I am not afraid to be civil. Why are you?	[01:34]
mircea_popescu	lol.	[01:34]
mircea_popescu	you know, girl wants to get married. after tears have washed pointlessly about the room, her new line becomes "why are you affraid of commitment"	[01:34]
mircea_popescu	i'm not affraid of commitment bitch. i just don't care for your definition of it.	[01:34]
midnightmagic	mircea_popescu: I assert you are, have been, and will likely continue to be uncivil and discourteous.	[01:35]
mircea_popescu	being civil is not a formal concern. it does NOT mean not calling people idiots. if indeed they are idiots then that's that, verity proof.	[01:35]
mircea_popescu	beingcivil is a fundamental concern.	[01:35]
mircea_popescu	people who lie by presenting the mining corruption as "consensus", they are being uncivil.	[01:36]
mircea_popescu	and on a related point, you don't go to heaven by never saying "jesus sucks" etiher.	[01:36]
benkay	what do you mean by "mining corruption"?	[01:36]
midnightmagic	That is an English definitional nuance which you are assuming, but which is not reality.	[01:36]
mircea_popescu	benkay do you know how the most recent fork was resolved ?	[01:36]
benkay	sort of; devs said "use 0.7" and everyone did	[01:36]
mircea_popescu	midnightmagic that dispute as to reality will have to come to my grave.	[01:36]
mircea_popescu	benkay what more do you need ?	[01:36]
midnightmagic	Aumann's agreement theorem I guess.	[01:37]
mircea_popescu	stalin said "everyone vote" and evertyone did. what democratic process is this ?	[01:37]
benkay	heh	[01:37]
mircea_popescu	well ?	[01:37]
benkay	how many times do you think they can pull it off?	[01:37]
mircea_popescu	but ok, i can understand it happening.	[01:37]
benkay	1?	[01:37]
benkay	infinity?	[01:37]
mircea_popescu	i CANT uinderstand it being passed for what it's not	[01:37]
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mircea_popescu	in an ultimately doomed effort to prop the dirt as respectable.	[01:37]
benkay	that's just politics though	[01:37]
midnightmagic	Gah.. dude.. your weird sayings aren't translating so well.	[01:38]
mircea_popescu	well that's unfortunate for them because i happen to be better at politics than they're at coding.	[01:38]
mircea_popescu	benkay anyway the effort is to make sure it's 1.	[01:38]
benkay	i say < 3	[01:38]
benkay	no	[01:39]
benkay	less than or equal to	[01:39]
mircea_popescu	or better yet 5	[01:39]
mircea_popescu	19	[01:39]
mircea_popescu	42.	[01:39]
mircea_popescu	definitely.	[01:39]
benkay	not saying should	[01:39]
benkay	but offering a wager	[01:39]
mircea_popescu	i get it.	[01:39]
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Luke-Jr	midnightmagic: I didn't understand the context :P	[01:39]
midnightmagic	Luke-Jr: I was just asserting that the amount of work you do in bitcoind essentially makes you a bitcoin developer, even if your name isn't on bitcoin.org.	[01:40]
BitHub	hey guys did you get your ASICMINER div as well?	[01:40]
jurov	Luke-Jr: don't sweat, me too, he sounds serious but in the end it's all just hypothetical	[01:40]
mircea_popescu	Luke-Jr he's somehow bothered with everyone mocking you for trying your damnest to pass yourself off as a dev	[01:41]
mircea_popescu	when you're a sort of glorified taaki	[01:41]
mircea_popescu	ie, the floor washer.	[01:41]
midnightmagic	Luke-Jr: I also proffered the possibility you didn't want your name up there on purpose, to outline our collective ignorance.	[01:41]
Luke-Jr	midnightmagic: I got that, but .. why did it matter? XD	[01:41]
midnightmagic	Luke-Jr: I dunno why he started ranting about you. But he gets upset when I don't address each of his points individually.	[01:42]
Luke-Jr	midnightmagic: I don't see it as something worth my time arguing a case for.	[01:42]
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benkay	has anything in this conversation?	[01:42]
Luke-Jr	in other news https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/sensemaster/91-blog-entry-deleting-o-o.html	[01:43]
Luke-Jr	err	[01:43]
Luke-Jr	wrong link XD	[01:43]
Luke-Jr	https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/luke-jr/97-preparing-my-trip-bfl.html	[01:43]
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mircea_popescu	glwt.	[01:43]
BitHub	ahhh Luke, going there to pick it up?	[01:43]
BitHub	excited?	[01:44]
Luke-Jr	BitHub: not sure if I'll pick it up or let them ship it	[01:44]
Luke-Jr	although I guess they might be expecting me to take it with me	[01:44]
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mircea_popescu	actually just the time to get a box of fans.	[01:45]
BitHub	are you kind of going there to confirm it all?	[01:46]
dub	heh	[01:47]
BitHub	so you'll pretty much be teh first person with a bfl?	[01:47]
mircea_popescu	this will be so epic	[01:47]
dub	BitHub: yes re: AM div btw (sorry for the on-topic interlude people)	[01:49]
BitHub	nice dubs	[01:49]
BitHub	this weeks seemed the highest yet	[01:49]
dub	yeah, enjoy, next week is the last	[01:50]
BitHub	what?	[01:50]
dub	of this magnitude	[01:50]
mircea_popescu	ya wut ?	[01:50]
BitHub	WHAT?	[01:50]
BitHub	serial?	[01:50]
Luke-Jr	BitHub: I'm mainly going there to make sure BFGMiner is ready to go (shipping on the MiniRigs)	[01:50]
BitHub	nice	[01:50]
dub	catfriedrice said next weeks will fullfil the 'pay out 0.1 first' requirement, which seems about right, so next divs will be half less more expenses	[01:51]
BitHub	ahh ghey	[01:51]
BitHub	good time to sell then	[01:52]
mircea_popescu	!ticker btct asicminer-pt	[01:52]
assbot	[BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 0.695 / 0.70412 / 0.724998 (285 shares, 200.7 BTC), 7D: 0.65 / 0.71126 / 1 (1286 shares, 914.7 BTC), 30D: 0.65 / 0.6947 / 1 (1763 shares, 1224.8 BTC)	[01:53]
mircea_popescu	such a blown stock.	[01:53]
benkay	i know that and i'm not even holding any	[01:53]
BitHub	hmmm	[01:53]
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assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P370T] 1000 @ 0.03383499 = 33.835 BTC [-]	[01:56]
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benkay	in other news, loud black humans in snack car	[01:56]
benkay	ruin my train trip why doncha	[01:56]
benkay	PLUS COUNTRY	[01:56]
benkay	sheesh.	[01:56]
mircea_popescu	i like country.	[01:56]
benkay	which?	[01:57]
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mircea_popescu	i dunno, cash	[01:59]
dub	duelling banjos	[02:00]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.72 = 1.44 BTC [+]	[02:00]
BitHub	willie nelson?	[02:00]
mircea_popescu	turkey in the straw if you count it	[02:00]
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mircea_popescu	i dunno that i've listened to much of that guy.	[02:01]
sevenWiabores	hello	[02:01]
BitHub	he blazes alot	[02:01]
mircea_popescu	sevenWiabores hi	[02:01]
benkay	^^ very important information	[02:01]
benkay	;)	[02:01]
BitHub	haha	[02:01]
sevenWiabores	who are you mircea_popescu, your nick sounds very familiar	[02:01]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.721337 = 3.6067 BTC [+]	[02:02]
mircea_popescu	i am mircea popescu. how about you ?	[02:02]
benkay	(to finish that story, the best part was the really uptight black guy staring at the loud negroes)	[02:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P390T] 500 @ 0.0453858 = 22.6929 BTC [-]	[02:02]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.724869 BTC [+]	[02:02]
benkay	(i just told them i could block out high dB convserations or music but not both)	[02:02]
mircea_popescu	ok willie nelson kinda sucks,.	[02:02]
dub	continuing the wtfality of bitcoin asset universe	[02:02]
mircea_popescu	or at least his cover of blue eyes cryin'	[02:03]
dub	doom projected for AM profits in varios places == increased demand	[02:03]
mircea_popescu	benkay lol why so passive-agressive	[02:03]
sevenWiabores	I am just nobody, but I am pretty sure I saw your name somewhere... I am new to the bitcoin world and I am not familiar with the who's who	[02:03]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.724869 = 2.1746 BTC [+]	[02:03]
mircea_popescu	dub this is becominga tradition.	[02:03]
benkay	hardly passive aggressive for the pacnw	[02:03]
jurov	gonna organize am shorting	[02:04]
jurov	in fact i didn't list anything new on bitfunder for some time	[02:04]
mircea_popescu	sevenWiabores i run mpex.	[02:04]
benkay	spent much time in this corner of the us, mircea_popescu?	[02:04]
mircea_popescu	alternatively, some people don't like me. they run things into the ground.	[02:04]
dub	jurov: can you convince Ukto to make it render in firefox?	[02:04]
mircea_popescu	benkay which corner is that ?	[02:04]
sevenWiabores	aah, I see. ohai :)	[02:04]
benkay	northwest	[02:04]
dub	jurov: buttfunder that is	[02:04]
mircea_popescu	sure, i lived like a year in lowell, mass	[02:04]
jurov	dub, you mean misplaced buy/sell boxes?	[02:04]
Ukto	make what render?	[02:04]
dub	make the market link visible	[02:05]
LameCoin-	mircea are you from romania or US your english is american?	[02:05]
mircea_popescu	o nm, you said west.	[02:05]
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Ukto	where is it not visible?	[02:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 152 @ 0.00599987 = 0.912 BTC [+]	[02:05]
mircea_popescu	LameCoin- im from romania, but i've lived all over.	[02:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 80 @ 0.00599987 = 0.48 BTC [+]	[02:05]
dub	on the front page	[02:05]
LameCoin-	mircea where did you like it best	[02:05]
mircea_popescu	costa rica, probably.	[02:05]
LameCoin-	a friend of mine is from timisoara	[02:05]
mircea_popescu	land of eternal spring.	[02:05]
Ukto	dub: hm. you dont see it in the top left?	[02:05]
mircea_popescu	it does get boring, but very slowly.	[02:06]
dub	Ukto: sometimes I do	[02:06]
Ukto	'View asset market'	[02:06]
Ukto	sometimes?	[02:06]
Ukto	what browser?	[02:06]
dub	Ukto: depends on teh machine/browser im on	[02:06]
mircea_popescu	dub this is like the most halpful bug reporting ever	[02:06]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 30 @ 0.72489 = 21.7467 BTC [+]	[02:06]
dub	ff is the failing one	[02:06]
dub	well its been reported before	[02:06]
mircea_popescu	how do you know lol	[02:06]
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Ukto	what version? I hadnt seen it lol	[02:06]
benkay	mircea_popescu: why did you choose to live in romania?	[02:06]
Ukto	17.0.1 works fine	[02:06]
LameCoin-	for the women	[02:06]
mircea_popescu	back in 2007 it became obvious the us is sinking. didn't want to be on that part of the world. had to go somewhere.	[02:07]
jurov	Ukto if you resize the width to around 1000-1100px	[02:07]
LameCoin-	timisoara is nice its different then the rest of romania	[02:07]
jurov	the view asset bar hides	[02:07]
Ukto	ahhhh	[02:07]
Ukto	i see that	[02:07]
dub	19 here, pretty sure it was broke in some previous, goat was having problems a few days ago too	[02:07]
mircea_popescu	LameCoin- it's closer to vienna than bucharest indeed.	[02:07]
Ukto	yeah, i will get it fixed.	[02:07]
Ukto	thanks guys	[02:07]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.72489 = 1.4498 BTC [+]	[02:08]
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Ukto	oh, i see why	[02:08]
Ukto	the top bar spans 2 lines and covers it	[02:08]
mircea_popescu	BDB bug ?	[02:08]
LameCoin-	mircea: do you think that fork could have been the end of bitcoin?	[02:08]
mircea_popescu	LameCoin- that fork itself could have festered if anyone ddosed the attacking pool.	[02:08]
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mircea_popescu	but not really. the burried problems that caused the fork however most definitely will end btcoin if unadressed.	[02:09]
LameCoin-	i really dont like these alternates like litecoin inflating the money supply	[02:10]
mircea_popescu	you will have to learn to live with competition.	[02:10]
mircea_popescu	it's as unavoidable as rain.	[02:10]
benkay	i'm not even convinced we've converged on a codebase	[02:11]
mircea_popescu	certainly are not.	[02:11]
mircea_popescu	just the butthurt when somebody finally says, wait, you think you people matter ?!	[02:11]
mircea_popescu	is ample proof this wasn't even seriously considered, let alone settled.	[02:11]
LameCoin-	the development team became to obsessed thinking they are economists and philosophers	[02:12]
LameCoin-	nerds should never be given any type of authority	[02:12]
mircea_popescu	when they're barely qualified to write code. but anyway :	[02:12]
Ukto	hm, i think I will just move terms and conditions to the footer	[02:12]
mircea_popescu	preparing for the "too big to fail" arguments, it'll be a warm summer.	[02:13]
Ukto	its wasting too much space	[02:13]
LameCoin-	mircea what do you mean?	[02:13]
BitHub	some of these guys aren't qualified?	[02:13]
BitHub	kind of like getting the airport janitor to fly the plane no?	[02:13]
benkay	oh be nice	[02:13]
mircea_popescu	LameCoin- i mean that's what's coming next, "guise our shit has taken too much blood sweat and tears to be abandoned and we should forever wallow in it"	[02:13]
benkay	turbine blade engineer	[02:13]
benkay	still should not fly plane.	[02:14]
LameCoin-	are you suggesting they wont repair the problems?	[02:14]
mircea_popescu	that's what midnightmagic means by concorde fallacy : the mistaken idea that the current codebase is useful because it cost people a lot of money through all the bugs it pushed on them so far.	[02:14]
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LameCoin-	why cant someone else develop it?	[02:14]
mircea_popescu	LameCoin- they would if they could. so far their consensus seems to be they're not smart enough to do it.	[02:14]
Bowjob	http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3td1ly/	[02:14]
Bowjob	True story ^.	[02:15]
mircea_popescu	lol	[02:15]
mircea_popescu	i learned about it when it was 15. bought like 1k worth	[02:15]
BitHub	maybe everyone should pitch in a lil btc to pay teh pros	[02:15]
mircea_popescu	then it was 2 for a while.	[02:15]
Bowjob	I told my friend about it	[02:15]
LameCoin-	bowjob: nobody ever buys bottoms	[02:15]
Bowjob	now he's like.. can I buy $300 worth?	[02:15]
LameCoin-	bowjob: less then 0.1% of bitcoiners actually held coins from $2 to $50	[02:15]
Bowjob	I'm like.. no. I can sell you $100	[02:16]
Bowjob	well	[02:16]
midnightmagic	It is applicable to that idea, were it true, yes.	[02:16]
Bowjob	it would be nice if you missed all the crashing	[02:16]
mircea_popescu	LameCoin- got a figure ?	[02:16]
Bowjob	This was when BTC started from 13 to 50 rally	[02:16]
Bowjob	it was 17 when i mentioned it	[02:16]
LameCoin-	mircea it works the same for any bull market, 1983-2000 dow jones 75% of the public didnt even participate one bit	[02:16]
mircea_popescu	midnightmagic do you have the figure for "how much unencrypted wallet.dat" cost ?	[02:16]
LameCoin-	everyone got in 1999	[02:16]
Ukto	dub: there, problem fixed	[02:17]
mircea_popescu	LameCoin- this is true. i'm just saying, i think a lot more people held btc than .1%	[02:17]
LameCoin-	from $2-50 ?	[02:17]
midnightmagic	mircea_popescu: Do you have the figure for how much the encrypted wallet.dat has cost?	[02:17]
mircea_popescu	LameCoin- yes.	[02:17]
dub	Ukto: <3	[02:17]
LameCoin-	i doubt it go read on bitcoin talk how many sold out after 20-30% gains hoping to buy back in	[02:17]
mircea_popescu	midnightmagic sadly power-ranger team has not the time to do any auditing or reporting, so no.	[02:17]
LameCoin-	the 10-20 move everyone sold	[02:17]
Bowjob	Theres this dude who forgot he had a wallet.dat with lots of coins	[02:17]
mircea_popescu	Bowjob you mean bitcoinica ?	[02:17]
Ukto	I was tired of seeing that link up there anyways.	[02:18]
jurov	Ukto, did you test it in chrome?	[02:18]
Bowjob	nah, it was a single person	[02:18]
Bowjob	he gave away 350 BTC to reddit users	[02:18]
mircea_popescu	LameCoin- do you mean .1% by headcount or by coincount ?	[02:18]
Bowjob	i got 5 btc from that stash	[02:18]
Ukto	jurov: just did	[02:18]
midnightmagic	mircea_popescu: Always the insults. And how does derogatory statements that are purely derogatory fit under the "telling the truth" umbrella you were espousing earlier?	[02:18]
Bowjob	i assume he had thosands	[02:18]
jurov	in konqueror+webkit it still does hide	[02:18]
Ukto	is the terms still at the top ?	[02:18]
mircea_popescu	midnightmagic point of fact is, the only way we know how much implementing it cost is by devteam saying "we spent 5 hours doing this"	[02:18]
jurov	but that's fringe browser, never mind	[02:18]
jurov	no term si on bottom	[02:19]
Ukto	but it acts the same? 0,o	[02:19]
Ukto	i will try to check it a bit later	[02:19]
LameCoin-	mircea: from my studies of markets, it is very very rare that anyone participates in a huge move	[02:19]
Ukto	have to get konqueror	[02:19]
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midnightmagic	mircea_popescu: Were you referring to how many bitcoins were lost due to a wallet being easily stolen by a hacker?	[02:19]
mircea_popescu	LameCoin- markets in general or bitcoin ?	[02:19]
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mircea_popescu	midnightmagic yes.	[02:19]
Ukto	either way, thanks for letting me know guys. mucho appreciato. :)	[02:19]
mircea_popescu	lol appreciato	[02:19]
LameCoin-	mircea: considering herding applies to all markets, even bitcoin just go read how many missed the boat on the latest rally over on the forums its astonishing	[02:19]
mircea_popescu	donde esta la zapatoria!	[02:20]
jurov	Ukto, just get webkit anything, like chromium. konqueror pulls half of kde in.	[02:20]
mircea_popescu	LameCoin- it's a weak supposition this, linear generalisation from fiat to bitcoin markets. we're still working at getting the hang of this	[02:20]
LameCoin-	how many in here rode bitcoin from $2 to 50	[02:20]
mircea_popescu	there's a lot of paradoxical movement (dub was referring one of the more documented types recentyl)	[02:20]
LameCoin-	or even 10 to 50	[02:20]
mircea_popescu	i held over 10k from 2 to 50.	[02:20]
mircea_popescu	significantly over 10k.	[02:20]
midnightmagic	mircea_popescu: So tell me after all these months of vitriol.. how successful have you been at dividing bitcoin into "actual reasonable people" and "worthless" people?	[02:21]
mircea_popescu	i know for a fact i'm not the only one.	[02:21]
mircea_popescu	midnightmagic months ?!	[02:21]
mircea_popescu	fork was yesterday dawg.	[02:21]
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LameCoin-	mircea if you take a poll of channel you will find it to be a small %	[02:21]
midnightmagic	You've been hating on the devs for far longer than that.	[02:21]
mircea_popescu	have not. quote.	[02:21]
midnightmagic	Uh. Okay.	[02:22]
LameCoin-	midnightmagic: well he has a point, the devs have turned into economists and politicians, they are suppose to be coders	[02:22]
LameCoin-	midnightmagic: nerds love to give themselves excessive credit when they percieve something going their way	[02:22]
mircea_popescu	LameCoin- i know at least a coupla people here who held, so it'd be above 1% for sure :)	[02:22]
midnightmagic	LameCoin-: I have no idea how you'd even show that without your hypothesis instantly falling to contradiction.	[02:23]
mircea_popescu	midnightmagic you still got any coins minted a year or two ago ?	[02:23]
LameCoin-	mircea: what type of market cap are you realstically expecting for bitcoin	[02:24]
midnightmagic	mircea_popescu: Continue as though I do.	[02:24]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 2 / 119	[02:24]
gribble	0.0168067226891	[02:24]
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mircea_popescu	there lamecoin, 1.6%	[02:24]
midnightmagic	1.7..	[02:24]
mircea_popescu	im generous, give him his .1% :p	[02:24]
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mircea_popescu	LameCoin- re the mkt cap :	[02:25]
mircea_popescu	;;google flexibility inflexibility trilema	[02:25]
gribble	Voluntary contracts, after a while. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: ; "bernanke put" and the fed's trilemma - Pragmatic Capitalism: ; External factors and Philippine monetary policy - Bank for ...:	[02:25]
mircea_popescu	the bah	[02:25]
mircea_popescu	http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/	[02:25]
mircea_popescu	i'd better start remembering at least the motherfucking titles.	[02:26]
LameCoin-	14k per coin is enough to support a 50 trillion dollar global economy assuming everyone uses nothing but bitcoin	[02:26]
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LameCoin-	so we can assume thousands per coin are not really realistic	[02:27]
mircea_popescu	...	[02:27]
dub	LameCoin-: remember we can divide the coins further	[02:28]
LameCoin-	the current world has a base money supply of about 4 trillion	[02:28]
mircea_popescu	LameCoin- notional derivative trade is literally boundless.	[02:28]
LameCoin-	thats not money	[02:28]
jurov	dub, that could end up akin to "oh we can add some bits to internet address later"	[02:28]
mircea_popescu	if it settles in bitcoin it doesn't even matter if the world uses zimbabwe dollars.	[02:28]
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mircea_popescu	jurov it definitely will,	[02:29]
mircea_popescu	but that's a minor point comparing to the other hairs sticking out of the code	[02:29]
dub	jurov: it'd require a fork yea	[02:29]
dub	one would hope it isnt going to require as many forlifts as your example	[02:30]
LameCoin-	the balance of macroeconomic power will never shift from the west in our lifetime	[02:30]
mircea_popescu	LameCoin- it's shifted already, forget it.	[02:30]
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mircea_popescu	"the west" is a bit player.	[02:31]
LameCoin-	mircea: how so? can you name any innovations/products you actually use from the east?	[02:31]
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mircea_popescu	products are not the point. you were discussing macroeconomy.	[02:31]
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dub	forklifts*	[02:31]
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BitHub	rice	[02:31]
LameCoin-	the east has nothing to offer to be honest	[02:31]
mircea_popescu	to you.	[02:31]
mircea_popescu	the problem seems to be you're mingling a lot of assumptions crafted for comfort into your estimations.	[02:31]
LameCoin-	china with 1.6billion people has 0 worldwide brands	[02:32]
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LameCoin-	the only ones they have were purchased from the west ie lenovo	[02:32]
mircea_popescu	LameCoin- because by "worldwide" you count a pool of 2-300mn people nobody cares abnout.	[02:32]
BitHub	who needs brands when ya making money	[02:32]
mircea_popescu	fact is, the us has zero worldwide brands in the sense that china has baidu and doesn't care about google.	[02:32]
LameCoin-	bithub but they arent making money	[02:32]
LameCoin-	most asian companies have aweful ROI	[02:32]
mircea_popescu	o boy.	[02:32]
BitHub	is that why they own most of usa's debt?	[02:33]
mircea_popescu	dude. macroeconomy! balance of trade!	[02:33]
LameCoin-	bithub: thats because they recycle it through debasement of their own currency	[02:33]
mircea_popescu	0.0	[02:33]
LameCoin-	mircea: the balance of trade in the EU is positive.	[02:33]
BitHub	west isn't even using m-wallets or m-commerce yet	[02:33]
mircea_popescu	the stakes just got too high for my blood in this convo.	[02:33]
LameCoin-	the US balance of trade is mostly energy	[02:33]
LameCoin-	asians are running modern day versions of mercantalism	[02:34]
LameCoin-	they think the way to prosperity is subsidizing exports in order to accumulate intrinsically worthless dollars	[02:34]
BitHub	don't hate	[02:35]
LameCoin-	read what happend to the british when they believed in mercantalism	[02:35]
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BitHub	we're making money over ere	[02:35]
LameCoin-	once again, most asians firms have absolutely aweful ROI's	[02:35]
BitHub	asia baby	[02:35]
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BitHub	buying up usa's debt	[02:36]
LameCoin-	if the balance of power was shifting to the east we would all be using asian brands and praising asian innovations	[02:36]
LameCoin-	none of that is occuring	[02:37]
mircea_popescu	every item you currently use was made in asia.	[02:37]
LameCoin-	only low end manufacturing comes out of china	[02:37]
mircea_popescu	your asian cultural masters slapped an american looking label on it	[02:37]
LameCoin-	mircea: wrong, only the lowest tech	[02:37]
mircea_popescu	and you're superficial enough for that to work.	[02:37]
BitHub	haha	[02:37]
LameCoin-	the largest exporter in the world per capita is actually germany	[02:37]
BitHub	its true, its a good trick	[02:37]
mircea_popescu	even when it came to it, asian firms delivered mining asics	[02:37]
mircea_popescu	american firms are still suckingtheir thumb.	[02:38]
LameCoin-	they didnt innovate them	[02:38]
LameCoin-	they only were capable of producing them	[02:38]
BitHub	but they delivered them	[02:38]
BitHub	what's blf doing again?	[02:38]
Bowjob	not shipping	[02:38]
LameCoin-	because they have low end manufacturing capability	[02:38]
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BitHub	asking for more money?	[02:38]
LameCoin-	put it this way	[02:38]
LameCoin-	when mercedes builds a 100k vehicle in a day	[02:38]
LameCoin-	an asian manufacturer has to produce a months worth+ of low end trinkets	[02:38]
LameCoin-	to exchange for the good	[02:39]
LameCoin-	asian productivity is extremely low	[02:39]
mircea_popescu	dude. srsly.	[02:39]
mircea_popescu	bitcoin is mined on asian designed, asian produced, asian delivered asics.	[02:39]
mircea_popescu	forget it already, you're running with a dead horse.	[02:39]
BitHub	mtgox is in asia now btw	[02:39]
BitHub	lulz	[02:39]
LameCoin-	yea japan	[02:39]
mircea_popescu	inb4 "japan is really just further west"	[02:40]
LameCoin-	japans entire manufacturing infrastructure was developed from western instruction after WW2	[02:40]
BitHub	nah i dont really care i love both the west and asia	[02:40]
LameCoin-	they just excell at implementation	[02:40]
LameCoin-	again 0 innovation	[02:40]
mircea_popescu	sigh.	[02:40]
BitHub	they both got great girls	[02:40]
LameCoin-	name a product innovated from japan?	[02:41]
Bowjob	anime	[02:41]
Bowjob	sushi	[02:41]
BitHub	fuji	[02:41]
mircea_popescu	"it's not a worldwide brand"	[02:41]
Bowjob	gundams	[02:41]
BitHub	bukakke	[02:41]
LameCoin-	all electronics were EU tech, that the japanese perfected	[02:41]
Bowjob	bukakke noodles are delicious	[02:41]
mircea_popescu	pasty-ass kids just jack off to it that's all.	[02:41]
BitHub	used ladies panty vending machines	[02:41]
Bowjob	ps1,2,3, and 4	[02:41]
Bowjob	yeah i forgot about that	[02:41]
BitHub	handjob machine	[02:41]
Bowjob	live sushi	[02:42]
BitHub	the shaw brothers	[02:42]
Bowjob	where they serve live fish	[02:42]
mircea_popescu	Bowjob sony is not a global brand stfu	[02:42]
LameCoin-	as i stated before, if asians were going to rule we would be in awe at all the asian brandsinnovations around us	[02:42]
BitHub	kill bill	[02:42]
Bowjob	lol	[02:42]
LameCoin-	fact is none of them exist	[02:42]
BitHub	you're just racist LameCoin	[02:42]
BitHub	jealous of asia or something	[02:42]
mircea_popescu	more like ostrichist	[02:42]
dub	asia survive with brute force, they add little value overwall	[02:42]
LameCoin-	im just stating its a myth that the east is taking anything over	[02:42]
Bowjob	they invented engrish as well	[02:42]
LameCoin-	dub: exactly	[02:42]
mircea_popescu	dub typical scotsman argument.	[02:43]
mircea_popescu	this is like saying mpex doesn't add value because css.	[02:43]
mircea_popescu	things don't work that way, you don't get to define what value is.	[02:43]
BitHub	its like saying the scottish and welsh and irish add no value to britian	[02:43]
LameCoin-	the only value asia added was providing cheap manufacturing facilities	[02:43]
dub	all of these tech innovators you ascribe have higher suicide rates in their sweatshops than american unemployment	[02:43]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 6 @ 1.75 = 10.5 BTC [+]	[02:44]
LameCoin-	there are no tech innovators coming out of asia	[02:44]
dub	it will cease to scale at some point	[02:44]
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mircea_popescu	dub and maybe that's a good thing.	[02:44]
LameCoin-	its only primitive manufacturing	[02:44]
LameCoin-	they dont even have the capacity for advanced manufacturing ie germany style	[02:44]
mircea_popescu	dude omfg stop with the bs already	[02:44]
mircea_popescu	all harddrives in the world are made in the same azn river bank	[02:44]
LameCoin-	how is it bs?	[02:44]
mircea_popescu	when that floods the price doubles.	[02:44]
LameCoin-	yea and?	[02:44]
mircea_popescu	all memory is made there. all semiconductors are produced in asia	[02:45]
LameCoin-	putting a HD together is LOW end manufacturing	[02:45]
mircea_popescu	you're from a different future.	[02:45]
LameCoin-!@	added to ignore list.	[02:45]
BitHub	who needs to innvoate when you can rip everything off	[02:45]
dub	thats edge case shit, they produce tech because we did the maff and worked out it was cheaper to let them do it	[02:46]
BitHub	isn't that what Hollywood did to John WOO?	[02:46]
mircea_popescu	myea.	[02:46]
mircea_popescu	the first step to own your master is copy him.	[02:46]
mircea_popescu	Ukto https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=138919.0	[02:47]
BitHub	every good 90's action hollywood film wouldn't exists if they didn't rip off HK cinema	[02:47]
mircea_popescu	coingenuity https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152658.0	[02:47]
mircea_popescu	are you like, being attacked or something ?	[02:48]
BitHub	yeah till 97	[02:48]
BitHub	i remember	[02:48]
BitHub	and the west offers shitty products you don't need?	[02:49]
BitHub	like shake weight	[02:50]
dub	like spray on cheese and tube fish	[02:51]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.72489 BTC [+]	[02:52]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.72489 BTC [+]	[02:52]
Ukto	thanks mircea_popescu	[02:52]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 10 @ 0.00999 = 0.0999 BTC [+]	[02:55]
Namworld	[20:52] i think the worst thing that can happen to bitcoin is inflation of money supply through many pointless forks being created	[03:01]
Namworld	what do you mean? There's many forks and they're mostly valueless	[03:01]
kakobrekla	> trusted BitcoinTalk member < theres such thing??	[03:03]
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mircea_popescu	kakobrekla i trust people on there to deliver prime comedy	[03:07]
kakobrekla	man you always know how to short it.	[03:08]
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dub	a_meteorite: because bitcoin	[03:09]
dub	what teh fuck	[03:09]
dub	LameCoin-: ^	[03:09]
dub	LameCoin-: because bitcoin idiots (perhaps more dconcise)	[03:10]
dub	I swear my typing really isnt this bad, make way less errors on local terminals, im blaming synergy	[03:11]
mircea_popescu	blame sensodyne integrated node.	[03:12]
dub	I'd blame the corporate notwork except it happens at home too	[03:13]
dub	because they got their bitcoin selling guns on SR	[03:15]
mircea_popescu	$mpexlag	[03:15]
mpexbot	mircea_popescu: 0.110910892487 seconds	[03:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P370T] 900 @ 0.03297065 = 29.6736 BTC [-]	[03:17]
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kakobrekla	this one is going nice too https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152784.msg1622255;topicseen#msg1622255	[03:18]
kakobrekla	no more margin on 1broker, icbit it lost in space	[03:18]
mircea_popescu	Actually there is a closing trade fee now for April and later contracts!	[03:19]
mircea_popescu	They added that in an attempt to force people out of their positions rather than just sitting on them; they claim it'll aid liquidity. Greedy.	[03:19]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[03:19]
mircea_popescu	basically... they fixed the site to stop cheating after i slapped them last year	[03:19]
mircea_popescu	but tht didn't make much money	[03:19]
mircea_popescu	so...	[03:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 5 @ 1.7999 = 8.9995 BTC [+]	[03:20]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 3 @ 1.8 = 5.4 BTC [+]	[03:20]
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kakobrekla	while bit4x traded over 50mio units on fx :p	[03:22]
kakobrekla	its gonna get a lot wilder with dbtc	[03:22]
mircea_popescu	what's that, 5mn usd notional ?	[03:22]
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kakobrekla	hm id have to check dat	[03:23]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 16 @ 0.72489 = 11.5982 BTC [+]	[03:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [X.IDIFF.JUN] 2 @ 0.3 = 0.6 BTC [+]	[03:33]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.724999 = 2.9 BTC [+]	[03:33]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 0.724999 = 4.35 BTC [+]	[03:34]
jborkl	so asicminer market cap is approx 13 million usd.:(	[03:36]
BitHub	is that bad?	[03:36]
BitHub	should i sell?	[03:37]
jborkl	didnt we already see that show ,didnt it start with g and end with a s	[03:37]
kakobrekla	gas?	[03:37]
jborkl	reruns are kinda boring	[03:38]
BitHub	good times?	[03:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 5 @ 1.8 = 9 BTC [+]	[03:39]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.8 = 3.6 BTC [+]	[03:39]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 22 @ 0.725 = 15.95 BTC [+]	[03:40]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 29 @ 0.7679 = 22.2691 BTC [+]	[03:41]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.7679 = 1.5358 BTC [+]	[03:43]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 23 @ 0.7679 = 17.6617 BTC [+]	[03:46]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.768 = 3.84 BTC [+]	[03:49]
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mircea_popescu	!ticker btct asicminer.pt	[03:51]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[03:51]
assbot	I haven't understood a single word you've said since I met you, not one single word.	[03:51]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 47.03104, Best ask: 47.18000, Bid-ask spread: 0.14896, Last trade: 47.18000, 24 hour volume: 49293.76971465, 24 hour low: 44.80000, 24 hour high: 47.35000, 24 hour vwap: 46.58184	[03:51]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.769999 BTC [+]	[03:51]
mircea_popescu	!ticker btct asicminer-pt	[03:51]
assbot	[BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 0.695 / 0.7171 / 0.768 (437 shares, 313.4 BTC), 7D: 0.65 / 0.71809 / 1 (1361 shares, 977.3 BTC), 30D: 0.65 / 0.69841 / 1 (1915 shares, 1337.4 BTC)	[03:51]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 46.58184 * 400000* 0.69841	[03:52]
gribble	13013289.1498	[03:52]
mircea_popescu	13 on the dot!	[03:52]
mircea_popescu	!ticker m s.dice	[03:52]
assbot	[MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00515 / 0.00597371 / 0.00599987 (976 shares, 5.83 BTC), 7D: 0.00413 / 0.00526468 / 0.006 (140672 shares, 740.59 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00613969 / 0.0069 (2440740 shares, 14,985.40 BTC)	[03:52]
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mircea_popescu	;;calc 46.58184 100000000 0.00613969	[03:52]
gribble	28599805.723	[03:52]
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mircea_popescu	moar!	[03:52]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7679 BTC [-]	[03:52]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.57 = 1.14 BTC [+]	[03:53]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 3 @ 1.83 = 5.49 BTC [+]	[03:56]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 9 @ 0.769999 = 6.93 BTC [+]	[03:56]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 13 @ 0.77 = 10.01 BTC [+]	[03:56]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 20 @ 0.77 = 15.4 BTC [+]	[03:56]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 10 @ 0.00579 = 0.0579 BTC [+]	[03:57]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.77 BTC [+]	[03:59]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 60 @ 0.2599 = 15.594 BTC [+]	[04:00]
mircea_popescu	The Obama administration is drawing up plans to give all U.S. spy agencies full access to a massive database that contains financial data on American citizens and others who bank in the country, according to a Treasury Department document seen by Reuters.	[04:03]
mircea_popescu	le lol.	[04:03]
BitHub	fuck mircea	[04:04]
BitHub	i think they decided to give up on google and apple	[04:04]
BitHub	and just go after the citazens again and get their taxes	[04:04]
mircea_popescu	yawell	[04:05]
BitHub	alot of USD bitcoiners about to get fucked	[04:06]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.77 BTC [+]	[04:08]
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assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P390T] 1000 @ 0.04438197 = 44.382 BTC [-]	[04:09]
Diablo-D3	heh I guess asicminer is going weekly dividends	[04:09]
BitHub	some of these companies its hardly worth risking 50btc every month to get a lil div.	[04:10]
Diablo-D3	BitHub: asicminer is the only company I'm really trusting atm	[04:12]
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BitHub	want to buy some more of their shares?	[04:12]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.725 = 2.9 BTC [-]	[04:13]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.725 = 1.45 BTC [-]	[04:13]
BitHub	i'm looking for a 1btc each exit	[04:13]
BitHub	lil high	[04:13]
BitHub	bbs, pm me d3 if intrested.	[04:14]
Bowjob	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VPzw7bcfpw	[04:14]
Bowjob	Sell buttocins according to this dude	[04:14]
Diablo-D3	BitHub: not interested at this time	[04:15]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [BITVPS] 75 @ 0.00688 = 0.516 BTC [+]	[04:19]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BITVPS] 22 @ 0.00688 = 0.1514 BTC [+]	[04:22]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 10 @ 0.000705 = 0.0071 BTC [+]	[04:24]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 6 @ 0.00579 = 0.0347 BTC [+]	[04:26]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 4 @ 0.000706 = 0.0028 BTC [+]	[04:27]
ThickAsThieves	anything interesting happen today?	[04:29]
mircea_popescu	notrly	[04:30]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 27 @ 0.000707 = 0.0191 BTC [+]	[04:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P390T] 750 @ 0.04420293 = 33.1522 BTC [-]	[04:33]
Troic	well, etoro wants to join the fun but report all back to govt, old poker news rehashed, +ve bloomberg coverage and that malta fund thingy has new cringetastic site.	[04:35]
mircea_popescu	Troic apt summary.	[04:35]
kakobrekla	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152892.msg1622460#msg1622460	[04:37]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 2 @ 0.2599 = 0.5198 BTC [+]	[04:40]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 240 @ 0.00569985 = 1.368 BTC [-]	[04:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P410T] 600 @ 0.05846793 = 35.0808 BTC [-]	[04:54]
Bowjob	;;ticker	[04:57]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 47.68902, Best ask: 47.68943, Bid-ask spread: 0.00041, Last trade: 47.68901, 24 hour volume: 49887.21742911, 24 hour low: 45.00000, 24 hour high: 47.68901, 24 hour vwap: 46.70191	[04:57]
Bowjob	gearing up for $48 woo	[04:57]
Namworld	Damned...	[04:58]
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Bowjob	i look forward to the day I can pay with some of my expensive meals with 0.1 BTC	[04:59]
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Namworld	eheh	[05:01]
Namworld	For now it affords some fastfood snack	[05:01]
Bowjob	yeap	[05:03]
Bowjob	http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3td1ly/	[05:03]
Bowjob	my friend	[05:03]
Bowjob	lol	[05:03]
Bowjob	true story	[05:03]
dub	whats and expensive meal?	[05:03]
Bowjob	3	[05:03]
Bowjob	$200, for 2 person	[05:03]
Bowjob	thats my average price	[05:04]
dub	I was gonna say $200 for 1 is starting to get pricey	[05:04]
Bowjob	its for 2	[05:04]
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dub	though one of my regular haunts has $1/gram steak minimum 200g	[05:05]
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dub	thats just he steak too, sides/sauce etc is extra	[05:05]
Bowjob	if its $1 a gram, it better be kobe beef	[05:05]
Bowjob	not some americanized wagyu steak	[05:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 1 @ 0.00599986 BTC [+]	[05:05]
dub	its wagyu	[05:05]
Bowjob	from where tho	[05:06]
dub	I want to say australia but I can't remember	[05:06]
dub	might be japan	[05:06]
Bowjob	theres a ban on export of kobe beef	[05:06]
Bowjob	so it cant be from japan	[05:06]
Bowjob	most likely australia or america	[05:06]
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dub	paid $1500 for a table of 5 a little while ago, with plenty of booze	[05:07]
Bowjob	actually, i got my info wrong japan lifted the ban on kobe beef	[05:08]
Bowjob	but it's still ultra rare in north america	[05:08]
Bowjob	i had american wagyu, it was delicious.. I wanna try the real thing one day	[05:09]
mircea_popescu	pork ftw.	[05:09]
dub	pork is shit	[05:09]
dub	even type-o's can't process that shit properly	[05:10]
ThickAsThieves	honestly i dont miss meat at all	[05:12]
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dub	y u no eat meat?	[05:18]
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benkay	aww blacktape where u goins?	[05:18]
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dub	my buddy has a good excuse 'I don't eat anything that has to shit'	[05:18]
benkay	there u iz.	[05:18]
ThickAsThieves	for every reason really	[05:20]
ThickAsThieves	also smoked cigs for 10 yrs and quit	[05:20]
ThickAsThieves	just stuff i dont need or want	[05:21]
ThickAsThieves	anymore	[05:21]
ThickAsThieves	on to new vices	[05:21]
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dub	I kicked smoking and most drugs	[05:21]
dub	none of my vego friends are particularly healthy	[05:22]
dub	they still shitty food	[05:22]
ThickAsThieves	i'm no supermodel, but thats mostly cuz i'm on the computer too much	[05:22]
dub	eat*	[05:22]
ThickAsThieves	doc says i'm fine	[05:22]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.55 = 3.3 BTC [-]	[05:23]
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ThickAsThieves	anywho	[05:23]
ThickAsThieves	i think BFL will ship this month	[05:23]
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dub	because they are flying Luke-Jr out to make the software work?	[05:24]
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dub	given that they have not reached out to ask upgraders to return fpgas I doubt it	[05:25]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 3 @ 0.0055 = 0.0165 BTC [-]	[05:26]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.005 BTC [-]	[05:27]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 50 @ 0.005 = 0.25 BTC [-]	[05:27]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 449 @ 0.005 = 2.245 BTC [-]	[05:27]
benkay	hey mircae_popescu: what will your new method for getting order id's out to brokers be?	[05:34]
benkay	i'm reading your feb 2013 "innards" post	[05:34]
benkay	and how does that manifest as a significant pain point? i haven't noticed a significant lag between when people post orders and when the pastebin goes up	[05:34]
mircea_popescu	im not sure what the question is	[05:42]
benkay	hang on	[05:42]
benkay	It doesn’t currently even know what id that order will receive in the trade engine, which is even more inconvenient for brokers that handle multiple customer accounts (but we’re working on a way to significantly mitigate this, which will be the next major update barring exigent necessity).	[05:43]
benkay	so a) what is new method	[05:43]
benkay	and b) not really a question but this is a pain point for people? just wait ten seconds for order id to get returned.	[05:44]
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coingenuity	mircea_popescu: yeah, lots of crazy people	[05:46]
mircea_popescu	coingenuity is it an organised effort is my question	[05:46]
coingenuity	mircea_popescu: no idea, i work 20 hour days so i dont really pay attention to forums	[05:47]
coingenuity	mircea_popescu: as far as i'm concerned, there's nothing of note to read there anyway... just a bunch of bitcoin-tabloid type topics bout nothing :/	[05:47]
mircea_popescu	coingenuity i have people paid to pay attention and i have people paid to man the watchtowers for me.	[05:48]
mircea_popescu	paranoia ftw.	[05:48]
mircea_popescu	benkay superficially it is not a problem, but on the old system (before the previous upgrade) there existed windows of a few minutes between when the trade engine executed and when the web proxies reported.	[05:48]
kakobrekla	wtf is this horse shit https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152910.0	[05:48]
mircea_popescu	on one occasion this window was like one hour	[05:48]
mircea_popescu	it obviously couldn't go on.	[05:49]
mircea_popescu	the solution basically allows the person putting in the order to compute a hash of it and then identify it in their execution reports.	[05:49]
benkay	neat!	[05:49]
benkay	also thank you.	[05:50]
mircea_popescu	at the present time it only works if your order hits the book	[05:50]
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mircea_popescu	i am considering expanding it to work both ways and fully identify trades but there's also performance issues to consider and a whole keboodle.	[05:50]
mircea_popescu	anyway. working on it as they say.	[05:50]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla lol continued support	[05:52]
dub	pokey as in Magical Pokey Usagi?	[05:53]
kakobrekla	and whats with the people funding fiat investments with bitcoin	[05:53]
kakobrekla	are they brain dead	[05:53]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla yes, well...	[05:53]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.75 BTC [+]	[05:55]
benkay	meh. let brokers track their own orders.	[05:57]
mircea_popescu	well ideally they should, but	[06:02]
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Ukto	[21:21] i think BFL will ship this month <-- I see your putting your mouth where your money is. ;)	[06:08]
Ukto	j/k	[06:08]
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kakobrekla	Beauxe : Newbie : Re: Bitcoin Businesses and Developers, Let's Get Started! : Today at 04:07:51 AM	[06:10]
kakobrekla	I have run and started commodity exchanges. I am currently running one and would like to apply our technology and knowledge to bit coin. There is a decent possibility we may be able to list futures and other derivatives around BTC and LTC. Please whitelist me.	[06:10]
kakobrekla	fuck me.	[06:10]
mircea_popescu	sigh.	[06:14]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla better start with the See here links	[06:14]
benkay	mircae how did you get into the business of starting an exchange?	[06:15]
kakobrekla	assbot would say 'you actions are useless'	[06:15]
BitHub	Bit Coins	[06:16]
BitHub	heh	[06:16]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.71 BTC [-]	[06:18]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.71 BTC [-]	[06:18]
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benkay	smoke break on train!	[06:18]
benkay	i'm out	[06:18]
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mircea_popescu	why does he keep calling me mircae	[06:20]
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kakobrekla	http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-U-G1FRmhtkQ/TtHOfdeKaII/AAAAAAAAAEs/H7GY4kqmG88/s1600/EhgJk.jpg	[06:21]
mircea_popescu	the day you find there's a new pope from this bitcoi nbetting site you're involved with	[06:21]
mircea_popescu	ya kakotrolka , i'm sure that's what it is.	[06:21]
kakobrekla	:)	[06:22]
mircea_popescu	"our technologies"	[06:22]
mircea_popescu	people are basically in the middle ages, they;'d like to apply their potions and salves	[06:22]
mircea_popescu	to bitcoin!	[06:22]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile im trolling sarah silverman. curious how this goes.	[06:27]
BitHub	heh really?	[06:27]
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mircea_popescu	https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/312057153810755586	[06:28]
mircea_popescu	in my experience nothing burns the retarded left more than pointing out that their bullshit is mostly dreamed up.	[06:29]
mircea_popescu	i guess it must remind them of their parents or something.	[06:29]
BitHub	hah maybe she's trolling?	[06:29]
BitHub	seems like something she would do	[06:29]
BitHub	nice background pic hehe	[06:30]
mircea_popescu	a contest!	[06:30]
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toffoo	any background story behind your twitter wallpaper photo mircea?	[06:30]
mircea_popescu	i didn't even notice, what's she got ?	[06:30]
mircea_popescu	a puppy oh	[06:30]
toffoo	i meant yours	[06:30]
BitHub	oh i thought it was mircea walking down the street	[06:30]
mircea_popescu	mkay i guess i grep the logs.	[06:31]
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BitHub	you know who's fun to troll on twitter? Kanye West	[06:31]
BitHub	because he'll actually take it serious and reply and go on about it	[06:31]
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BitHub	she was pretty hot in those seinfeld eps	[06:33]
mircea_popescu	wait. kayne west is female ?!	[06:33]
mircea_popescu	toffoo too lazy to grep this monstrous 2mb log. basically, me in mexico walking down the street eatin' chocolates	[06:33]
mircea_popescu	out of my european caryall	[06:33]
BitHub	heh duh	[06:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.56899999 BTC [+]	[06:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.569 BTC [+]	[06:34]
mircea_popescu	it's a dude gtfo	[06:34]
BitHub	its a gayfish	[06:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P410T] 600 @ 0.05716318 = 34.2979 BTC [-]	[06:34]
BitHub	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nE7eofIeD4	[06:35]
BitHub	top 5 gayfish moments	[06:35]
toffoo	"it's not a purse, it's european"?	[06:36]
mircea_popescu	yeh	[06:36]
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nanotube	mircea_popescu: update the faq and s/oldkeyid/newkeyid/. you changed it at the top, but oldkeyid persists further down.	[06:39]
nanotube	the mpex faq, that is.	[06:39]
mircea_popescu	nanotube yup, it's in process	[06:39]
nanotube	mk.	[06:40]
coingenuity	Ukto: hm, bfl?	[06:41]
Ukto	coingenuity: check your pms	[06:41]
Ukto	old fart	[06:41]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-GOLD] 1 @ 0.0139 BTC [-]	[06:51]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.00999 BTC [+]	[06:51]
mircea_popescu	4 line quit message ? that guy should be klined	[06:52]
grubles	right?	[06:53]
mircea_popescu	totally.	[06:53]
grubles	mircea_popescu is there a way you can check if my account is active still	[06:54]
mircea_popescu	sure	[06:54]
mircea_popescu	;;ident grubles	[06:54]
gribble	Nick 'grubles', with hostmask 'grubles!~buttsniff@unaffiliated/grubles', is not identified.	[06:54]
mircea_popescu	you'll have to id	[06:54]
grubles	np	[06:54]
grubles	;;ident	[06:55]
gribble	You are identified as user grubles, with GPG key id DDA96139C85CA43C, key fingerprint E02F7FF6CF582669BB266B53DDA96139C85CA43C, and bitcoin address 1DYVwy7Ru7fJ8HwwoL5VHTUR5jCWG38JPk	[06:55]
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mircea_popescu	grubles yup.	[06:56]
grubles	kewl thanks	[06:56]
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mircea_popescu	!help	[07:02]
assbot	List of commands:	[07:02]
assbot	!ticker (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)	[07:03]
assbot	!mp (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)	[07:03]
mircea_popescu	!ticker m s.mpoe	[07:03]
assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00076706 / 0.00076706 / 0.00076706 (5000 shares, 3.84 BTC), 7D: 0.00067334 / 0.00074201 / 0.00076718 (903469 shares, 670.39 BTC), 30D: 0.00061614 / 0.00069343 / 0.00078628 (45613856 shares, 31,630.07 BTC)	[07:03]
mircea_popescu	!mp http://dpaste.com/ijustmadethisup	[07:03]
assbot	Processing.	[07:03]
assbot	Response: http://dpaste.com/1022369/plain/	[07:03]
mircea_popescu	;;ident assbot	[07:03]
gribble	Nick 'assbot', with hostmask 'assbot!~assbot@unaffiliated/kakobrekla/bot/assbot', is not identified.	[07:03]
mircea_popescu	;;ident mpexbot	[07:04]
gribble	Nick 'mpexbot', with hostmask 'mpexbot!~supybot@unaffiliated/smickles/bot/mpexbot', is not identified.	[07:04]
grubles	spam	[07:04]
mircea_popescu	hehe im writing an article	[07:04]
mircea_popescu	$help	[07:04]
mpexbot	mircea_popescu: (help [ ] []) -- This command gives a useful description of what does. is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.	[07:04]
mircea_popescu	$help post	[07:04]
mpexbot	mircea_popescu: (post ) -- Supply a pastebin paste key containing a signed and encrypted MPEx command. Respondes with a pastebin URL with MPEx's response.	[07:04]
mircea_popescu	$help vwap	[07:04]
mpexbot	mircea_popescu: (vwap []) -- Returns a pastebin link with all available market data, excepting depth. If an MPSIC is specified, returns only the data relevant to that MPSIC in IRC.	[07:04]
mircea_popescu	$help depth	[07:04]
mpexbot	mircea_popescu: (depth []) -- Returns the full market depth. If an MPSIC is specified, returns only the depth of the specified MPSIC in IRC.	[07:04]
mircea_popescu	$help proxies	[07:04]
mpexbot	mircea_popescu: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.	[07:04]
mircea_popescu	$post ijustmadethisup	[07:05]
mpexbot	mircea_popescu: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.	[07:05]
mircea_popescu	orly ?!	[07:05]
mircea_popescu	$post 12455	[07:05]
mpexbot	mircea_popescu: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.	[07:05]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[07:05]
benkay	claps	[07:05]
mircea_popescu	$post qU4hTtcP	[07:05]
mpexbot	mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/fyMWzm04	[07:05]
mircea_popescu	$vwap O.BTCUSD.P750T	[07:05]
mpexbot	mircea_popescu: {u'7d': {u'cnt': u'5', u'min': u'79079695', u'max': u'90144085', u'vsa': u'216644138243', u'vsh': u'2408', u'avg': u'89968495.9481'}, u'30d': {u'cnt': u'33', u'min': u'79079695', u'max': u'153153505', u'vsa': u'3065600173348', u'vsh': u'28783', u'avg': u'106507319.367'}, u'1d': {u'cnt': u'', u'min': u'', u'max': u'', u'vsa': u'', u'vsh': u'', u'avg': u''}}	[07:05]
mircea_popescu	$depth S.BBET	[07:05]
mpexbot	mircea_popescu: Bids: ['300 @ 150000', '500 @ 140000', '1000 @ 130000', '1000 @ 120010', '5000 @ 120000']	[07:05]
mpexbot	mircea_popescu: Asks: ['300 @ 181000', '500 @ 183000', '1000 @ 185000', '3000 @ 190000', '2210 @ 197000']	[07:05]
mircea_popescu	$proxies	[07:06]
mpexbot	mircea_popescu: ["http://mpex.co", "http://mpex.ws", "http://mpex.bz", "http://mpex.coinbr.com", "http://mpex6.coinbr.com"]	[07:06]
mircea_popescu	ok sorry for spam everyone, documenting this.	[07:06]
benkay	dev team thinks tests are silly	[07:07]
grubles	lul	[07:07]
benkay	mpex runs tests on production in public	[07:07]
benkay	wild west i tell you	[07:07]
mircea_popescu	basically i can't shake this tom green image from my head.	[07:07]
mircea_popescu	you know what scene when he delivers a baby in the messiest way possible	[07:08]
grubles	theyre too busy polishing their shiny new avalon asics	[07:08]
mircea_popescu	and then proceeds to yammer that he "Saved the day"	[07:08]
mircea_popescu	and "they have a problem with heroes around here" ?	[07:08]
grubles	tom green was funny when i was in middle school	[07:08]
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mircea_popescu	grubles which is why he's so adequate in this discussion	[07:08]
grubles	except freddy got fingered	[07:08]
benkay	chorus: "go do it yourself!"	[07:09]
grubles	there can be alternates but they wont have the bitcoin mafia i mean foundation backing them	[07:09]
grubles	itll just be a fork	[07:12]
grubles	i think?	[07:12]
benkay	it's complicated	[07:12]
benkay	don't worry	[07:12]
benkay	51% controls things	[07:12]
grubles	people will either have to accept one client over another	[07:12]
benkay	this time the devs convinced the miners to do things their way.	[07:12]
benkay	this may not always be the case.	[07:12]
benkay	especially when power begins to concentrate behind people who understand how open platforms are supposed to work	[07:12]
benkay	or people with lots of money	[07:13]
mircea_popescu	benkay moreover, especially as people with actual skin in the game start to emerge.	[07:13]
mircea_popescu	currently the miners are more in it for the bragging rights than for the money	[07:13]
benkay	not really	[07:13]
benkay	think cambrian explosion of bitcointech	[07:13]
mircea_popescu	this makes for a very dysfunctional lord of the flies environment	[07:13]
benkay	monoculture bad	[07:14]
benkay	say it with me	[07:14]
benkay	monoculture bad	[07:14]
benkay	fragile	[07:14]
benkay	centralized.	[07:14]
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benkay	interoperability is typically important	[07:16]
benkay	but beyond my pay grade tbh	[07:16]
benkay	slash skill level	[07:16]
benkay	to comment on that.	[07:16]
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benkay	also it's inevitable that the chain fork and fuck some people eventually	[07:17]
benkay	people all want reward and no risk	[07:17]
benkay	best have good tech, homeboy	[07:17]
benkay	but it's cool for now	[07:18]
benkay	the people who appreciate well engineered things will quietly keep their shit regular	[07:18]
benkay	while the rest of the plebnet falls further and further behind	[07:18]
benkay	till one day	[07:18]
benkay	fork	[07:18]
benkay	recreational miners are fucked	[07:18]
mircea_popescu	this is actually a pretty bad future benkay	[07:18]
mircea_popescu	and one that is very probable if people stuck to the sort of nonsense evertyone's used to.	[07:19]
mircea_popescu	but i shall endeavour to break that.	[07:19]
benkay	no it's a possibility though	[07:20]
benkay	i think the system is multistable	[07:20]
benkay	mp wants to drive it to one place	[07:20]
benkay	devs don't have a vision	[07:21]
assbot	quest for vision is a great blessing.	[07:22]
mircea_popescu	i want to drive what where ?!	[07:23]
corpsan	benkay: lol plebnet	[07:24]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 150 @ 0.005 = 0.75 BTC [-]	[07:36]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.76 BTC [+]	[07:36]
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kakobrekla	http://i45.tinypic.com/21m5ky9.png	[07:50]
kakobrekla	are they so desperate?	[07:50]
BingoBongo	Wow, kakobrekla; I thought I was planning something stupid...	[07:52]
BingoBongo	Today in a moment of weakness I was tempted to register on the WOT and start cloning the late Intrade so I could supply idiots with the Bucketshop that they need	[07:53]
kakobrekla	what stopped you?	[07:53]
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BingoBongo	Whiskey Redbulls	[07:54]
BingoBongo	also trip to the East Side	[07:54]
kakobrekla	hmm	[07:54]
BingoBongo	I like brown sugar occasionaly.	[07:56]
BingoBongo	I'm just trying to figure out how little reserves a "prediction market" needs to really operate...	[07:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P410T] 600 @ 0.05662037 = 33.9722 BTC [-]	[07:57]
kakobrekla	maybe mircea_popescu can enlighten you	[07:57]
BingoBongo	Maybe	[07:58]
BingoBongo	I've read his critique of Intrade	[07:58]
BingoBongo	Maybe I'm reading wrong which wouldn't be the first time, but it seems like a fair way to separate idiots from their coin.	[07:58]
mircea_popescu	lol weaksauce bfl.	[07:58]
mircea_popescu	BingoBongo if you hedge you won't need much.	[07:59]
mircea_popescu	if you don't hedge you'll go bankrupt.	[07:59]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1408 @ 0.005 = 7.04 BTC [-]	[08:00]
BingoBongo	mircea_popescu I've done bankrupt in the legal liquidation sense before. Surprisingly pleasant.	[08:02]
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BingoBongo	If your trustee thinks you drink like a certain FPGA shilling Tom they just assume you'll end up in the Salvation Army shelter anyway	[08:03]
mircea_popescu	maybe you shouldn't operate a prediction market :p	[08:04]
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BingoBongo	Probably...	[08:05]
BingoBongo	I can only act so well	[08:06]
mircea_popescu	lol	[08:08]
BingoBongo	I'll stick with practicing on established sites that maintain transparency like this http://bitbet.us/bet/302/bitcoin-standardized-protocol-approved-this-summer/	[08:09]
mircea_popescu	i wonder how many people noticed that the girl's announcement ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152027.0 ) actually predates the devs' announcement ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152030.0 )	[08:09]
BingoBongo	>=1	[08:10]
mircea_popescu	for all the nuts ranting and raving about how inept she is in that thread...	[08:10]
BingoBongo	Really they need to kill BDB with fire. There is no other way. Gavin doesn't have a way to maintain BDB compatibility in LevelDB.	[08:13]
mircea_popescu	i don't grok the hate. what's the big deal ?	[08:14]
BingoBongo	BDB just doesn't play nicely with other databases.	[08:14]
BingoBongo	There's a lot of quirks.	[08:15]
mircea_popescu	okay... but i mean, it's old and stable, well tested, much deployed	[08:15]
BingoBongo	An analogy is how there is no good Postgre fork of WordPress	[08:15]
mircea_popescu	leveldb is just this google doohickey	[08:15]
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BingoBongo	it is just a Google doohickey, but it works better and the license is right	[08:16]
mircea_popescu	alrighty.	[08:16]
mircea_popescu	tho i think code conservatism may be more valuable. rather use something muchly used than something faster, if those are the only two data points.	[08:16]
BingoBongo	The problem isn't faster the problem is scalability. SatoshiDice for all I defended it against, with BDB's locking bahavior killed BDB as a bitcoin dependency	[08:18]
ThickAsThieves	;;tslb	[08:18]
gribble	Time since last block: 1 minute and 16 seconds	[08:18]
ThickAsThieves	;;bc,stats	[08:18]
gribble	Current Blocks: 225769 \| Current Difficulty: 4367876.000842196 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 225791 \| Next Difficulty In: 22 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 3 hours, 20 minutes, and 30 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 4829378.08809 \| Estimated Percent Change: 10.56582	[08:18]
BingoBongo	;;asks 1000	[08:18]
gribble	There are currently 95281.952 bitcoins offered at or under 1000.0 USD, worth 10346802.3062 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 707.1424 seconds	[08:18]
ThickAsThieves	;;ticker	[08:19]
gribble	Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.	[08:19]
mircea_popescu	possibly so.	[08:19]
BingoBongo	;; asks 5	[08:19]
mircea_popescu	i confess to having little clue.	[08:19]
gribble	There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 5.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 753.6468 seconds	[08:19]
ThickAsThieves	;;asks 50	[08:19]
gribble	There are currently 28952.846 bitcoins offered at or under 50.0 USD, worth 1417409.54359 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 769.2750 seconds	[08:19]
BingoBongo	;;bids 5	[08:19]
gribble	There are currently 264838.33 bitcoins demanded at or over 5.0 USD, worth 6269951.46228 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 785.5630 seconds	[08:20]
gribble	A market order to sell 350000 bitcoins right now would net 6509777.9570 USD and would take the last price down to 1.2000 USD, resulting in an average price of 18.5994 USD/BTC. \| Data vintage: 912.4385 seconds	[08:22]
kakobrekla	;;goxlag	[08:22]
gribble	Error: invalid syntax (, line 1)	[08:22]
kakobrekla	tyvm	[08:22]
kakobrekla	;;goxlag	[08:24]
kakobrekla	;;market sell 350000	[08:24]
gribble	Error: invalid syntax (, line 1)	[08:24]
gribble	A market order to sell 350000 bitcoins right now would net 6509777.9570 USD and would take the last price down to 1.2000 USD, resulting in an average price of 18.5994 USD/BTC. \| Data vintage: 1030.6224 seconds	[08:24]
kakobrekla	trading engine is down	[08:24]
kakobrekla	or smth	[08:24]
mircea_popescu	mine !?	[08:24]
mircea_popescu	nm	[08:24]
kakobrekla	coincidentally im just writing a short report aroud that.	[08:24]
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kakobrekla	;;goxlag	[08:34]
kakobrekla	oh gribble went	[08:37]
kakobrekla	and im like wtf im ignored?	[08:37]
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gribble	0.219788 seconds	[08:38]
mircea_popescu	lol	[08:39]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.765 BTC [+]	[08:49]
mircea_popescu	http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/the-many-ways-available-for-talking-to-mpex/	[08:52]
mircea_popescu	the latest word in "being an asshole"	[08:52]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.independent.co.uk/incoming/beppe-grillo-northern-europe-waiting-to-drop-italy-like-a-hot-potato-8533213.html	[08:57]
mircea_popescu	future italian president ?	[08:57]
kakobrekla	uhh?	[08:57]
kakobrekla	do i need to short eurusd?	[08:57]
mircea_popescu	totally.	[08:58]
mircea_popescu	both ways.	[08:58]
kakobrekla	:)	[08:58]
BitHub	what was wrong with that italian president that has cex with a hooker?	[08:58]
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BitHub	win?	[08:58]
mircea_popescu	that she was underage and stupid	[08:58]
mircea_popescu	and he was over 70 and kinda sleazy	[08:59]
BitHub	17 at the time?	[08:59]
mircea_popescu	ya well, if you factor her mental age into this equation...	[08:59]
BitHub	ruby	[08:59]
BitHub	heh what a psycho	[08:59]
BitHub	i liked how he rigged the recent election	[08:59]
BitHub	noone says shit	[08:59]
BitHub	heh	[08:59]
BingoBongo	Hey, the Lira is still cheaper than quilted Northern	[09:07]
Ukto	wb BitHub :P	[09:07]
BitHub	yeah been back for an hour, caught up in cleaning, trolling, hows the testing going?	[09:08]
BitHub	busted me	[09:08]
Ukto	hehe	[09:08]
Ukto	other channel. :)	[09:08]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.765 BTC [+]	[09:10]
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assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P390T] 750 @ 0.0419584 = 31.4688 BTC [-]	[09:38]
mircea_popescu	http://edition.cnn.com/2013/03/12/business/facebook-secrets/index.html	[09:40]
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mircea_popescu	Less than 5 per cent of users predicted to be gay, for example, were connected with explicitly gay groups.	[09:40]
mircea_popescu	there is nowai to hide it now!	[09:40]
*	BitHub hides in mircea's ass (no homo)	[09:42]
mircea_popescu	lol	[09:43]
mircea_popescu	http://www.scienceworldreport.com/articles/5492/20130311/third-closest-neighbouring-star-system-found-6-lightyears-away.htm	[09:44]
mircea_popescu	check out this guy!	[09:44]
mircea_popescu	scans old archives, finds star system	[09:45]
mircea_popescu	true hacker.	[09:45]
BitHub	you better have been luling at me then	[09:46]
BitHub	that was a good one	[09:46]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.scienceworldreport.com/articles/5410/20130306/graphene-antennas-reach-terabits-wireless-bandwidth.htm	[09:48]
mircea_popescu	also!	[09:48]
BingoBongo	Depending on how sloppy BBet wants to get http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/299176/scitech/science/cern-scientists-say-particle-is-no-super-higgs could resolve http://bitbet.us/bet/8/higgs-boson-support/ for certain definitions of both resolved and sloppy	[09:51]
BingoBongo	For a Dupe because the first link was crap http://news.yahoo.com/cern-scientists-particle-no-super-higgs-212306008.html	[09:53]
mircea_popescu	lol at the first of spring	[09:53]
BingoBongo	Sure	[09:54]
BingoBongo	It all depends on BBet's definition of publication and the amount of juices BBet has running down there desiring a won house bet.	[09:56]
mircea_popescu	house bets both ends tho	[09:57]
mircea_popescu	but anyway, the bet reads that support will be published. nonsuport being published isn't related is it.	[09:57]
BingoBongo	Ah, so the house proposed that one...	[09:57]
mircea_popescu	BingoBongo no ?	[09:57]
BingoBongo	Ah	[09:58]
mircea_popescu	o hey check it out, twitter	[09:59]
BingoBongo	Cool	[10:00]
assbot	[BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 10 @ 0.2 = 2 BTC [+]	[10:01]
BingoBongo	Just think the first graphene took some scotch tape and a #2 pencil	[10:01]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P410T] 200 @ 0.05561259 = 11.1225 BTC [-]	[10:02]
mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/269/avalon-will-del/	[10:02]
mircea_popescu	by now it's like 8:1 for	[10:03]
BingoBongo	Isn't Avalon still struggling to get a fraction of the first batch out/	[10:05]
BingoBongo	It seems units shipped rather than units blown up is still going to be the deciding factor at the wire	[10:06]
mircea_popescu	hey kakobrekla some way to link to comments specifically ?	[10:06]
mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/265/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-april-1st/ << that last one lol	[10:06]
mircea_popescu	BingoBongo whodda thunk that right ?	[10:06]
kakobrekla	click on the username	[10:06]
kakobrekla	http://bitbet.us/bet/265/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-april-1st/#c351	[10:07]
Anduck	wtf!!!	[10:07]
Anduck	why didnt the "before march" bet get any bets :(	[10:07]
mircea_popescu	a ty!	[10:07]
Anduck	well, it did get like 20 btc	[10:07]
BingoBongo	lol, BFL through recklessness might make it this time though	[10:08]
mircea_popescu	Anduck you kidding ? was like 2k	[10:08]
Anduck	i mean	[10:08]
Anduck	the before march 15th	[10:08]
mircea_popescu	o	[10:08]
mircea_popescu	dunno	[10:08]
kakobrekla	too easy	[10:08]
mircea_popescu	prolly too close ya	[10:08]
Anduck	http://bitbet.us/bet/261/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-march-15th/	[10:08]
Anduck	this	[10:08]
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Anduck	yep	[10:08]
Bowjob	looks like btc-e is down	[10:08]
kakobrekla	they annouced 9th	[10:08]
kakobrekla	so 15th was clear win	[10:08]
BingoBongo	March 15th was too imaginably close. The 31st though is an inconceivable neverland of miracles.	[10:09]
mircea_popescu	whoa they eleced a jesuit as pope ?!	[10:09]
mircea_popescu	this is the end of the world.	[10:09]
BingoBongo	Yes they did	[10:09]
mircea_popescu	BingoBongo well put.	[10:09]
BingoBongo	They elected a Jesuit, so they boy touching is never going away	[10:09]
mircea_popescu	'Fruitful mission'	[10:10]
Anduck	soo close the 15th march bet alrdy? =D	[10:10]
mircea_popescu	we'll ahve the first impregnated altar boy ?	[10:10]
Anduck	"Resolution: in 15 hours 51 minutes (15-03-2013)"	[10:10]
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BingoBongo	Maybe?...	[10:11]
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BingoBongo	If this channel wan't logged	[10:11]
BingoBongo	I think BFL might ship something, but probably miss the target	[10:14]
Bowjob	fans	[10:14]
BingoBongo	What they ship I don't know	[10:14]
Bowjob	box of	[10:14]
Bowjob	meanwhile.. btc-e is down	[10:15]
BingoBongo	btc-e is crap	[10:15]
BingoBongo	If it isn't NVC and trades on Btc-e it trades on Vircurex with greater market making opportunities	[10:15]
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BingoBongo	BTC-E has more volume than Vircurex, but but Vircurex has so many opportunities to trap idiots by using thin Bid/Ask walls. If bitcoin is play money what are these altcoins...	[10:19]
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hanbot	gmorning	[10:21]
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mircea_popescu	smickles : if you want some easy btc http://www.rugatu.com/questions/11218/there-is-exactly-one-article-on-trilema-featuring-the-picture-of-a-cat-find-it	[10:39]
BingoBongo	Already first hit on Google for "trilema blog cat"	[10:45]
mircea_popescu	haha nice	[10:47]
kakobrekla	http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/bitbet-february-2013-statement/	[10:47]
kakobrekla	?	[10:48]
mircea_popescu	awww!	[10:49]
kakobrekla	or that counts as a dragon? :)	[10:50]
mircea_popescu	yeah.	[10:50]
mircea_popescu	cause there's another one :D	[10:50]
kakobrekla	well scam.	[10:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.55 = 1.65 BTC [-]	[10:52]
mircea_popescu	lol	[10:53]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.54900001 BTC [-]	[10:53]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 25 @ 0.549 = 13.725 BTC [-]	[10:54]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla http://www.rugatu.com/questions/11221/there-is-exactly-another-one-article-on-trilema-featuring-the-picture-of-a-cat-find-that-one-too	[11:02]
mircea_popescu	in yo face foo!	[11:02]
grubles	the 'cat' a euphemism for the female body part?	[11:03]
kakobrekla	hm?	[11:03]
grubles	if so there is probably more than one post	[11:03]
kakobrekla	you deleted the answer or what	[11:03]
kakobrekla	i couldnt find the button	[11:03]
grubles	er is 'cat'*	[11:03]
kakobrekla	dunno	[11:03]
mircea_popescu	grubles nope	[11:04]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla its a diff q	[11:04]
kakobrekla	ah	[11:04]
kakobrekla	right	[11:04]
kakobrekla	i see.	[11:04]
grubles	mircea_popescu: lies	[11:05]
mircea_popescu	and yes there's approximately speaking between 5490680 and 59804586 cunts on tyrilema	[11:05]
kakobrekla	hehe	[11:05]
mircea_popescu	and also i'm having clam chowder soon	[11:05]
grubles	mircea_popescu: the red or the white?	[11:05]
mircea_popescu	white	[11:05]
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grubles	do...do you get that reference or are you the only romanian that has watched ace ventura	[11:06]
kakobrekla	cause of the pope?	[11:06]
mircea_popescu	im takin' that one to my grave.	[11:07]
grubles	nooooooooooooooo!!!one	[11:07]
BingoBongo	kakobrakla your bounty on Rugatu is redeemable now	[11:08]
kakobrekla	my balance is 0	[11:08]
mircea_popescu	scam	[11:09]
kakobrekla	yep	[11:09]
kakobrekla	for real wtf	[11:10]
kakobrekla	shoudlnt this be instant?	[11:10]
BingoBongo	Ah, needs to move from pending to approved. SHould be available in 2 hours, probably...	[11:11]
BingoBongo	It should be...	[11:11]
BingoBongo	Instant...	[11:11]
kakobrekla	O_o	[11:11]
grubles	i feel like your nick should be bingoboingo	[11:11]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla is getting ideas for bitbet	[11:11]
BingoBongo	He should be...	[11:12]
kakobrekla	i am?	[11:12]
BingoBongo	Srsly...	[11:12]
mircea_popescu	yes, how to make it more like suck	[11:12]
mircea_popescu	in other news, http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/136325237356.gif	[11:13]
grubles	dat slap	[11:14]
kakobrekla	is not bad.	[11:16]
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BingoBongo	Does this count for the second scavenger hunt http://polimedia.us/trilema/2010/retete-de-criza-astazi-pisica/	[11:32]
kakobrekla	id say you hit the motherload.	[11:35]
kakobrekla	imma gonna have to translate it	[11:35]
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wh1t3r4bb1t	Send me around the world on bitcoins only so I can document it and make a movie	[11:39]
BingoBongo	wh1t3r4bb1t where are you starting from?	[11:39]
wh1t3r4bb1t	Antarctica	[11:40]
BingoBongo	I'm afraid your best bet is to spin around in a circle... I'm afarid the price to drag my Saturn down there is a bit too steep...	[11:41]
wh1t3r4bb1t	I will zig zag around the world proving that you do not need anything but bitcoin to survive.	[11:41]
wh1t3r4bb1t	No saturn	[11:41]
wh1t3r4bb1t	Only boats trains and planes	[11:42]
wh1t3r4bb1t	no cars	[11:42]
wh1t3r4bb1t	or trucks	[11:42]
wh1t3r4bb1t	maybe a bicycle here and there	[11:42]
Anduck	selling asicminer @ 0.78	[11:43]
BingoBongo	wh1t3r4bb1t It seems you underestimate the ability my plastic Saturn L-series sedan has shown to swim in the past...	[11:45]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBongo nah, actually that's rabbit	[11:59]
mircea_popescu	(3rd commenter even identifies it correctly)	[11:59]
kakobrekla	hmm	[12:01]
kakobrekla	it translates cat	[12:01]
kakobrekla	i think	[12:01]
kakobrekla	strange.	[12:01]
mircea_popescu	yes, the point of the article is "here's how you cook cat"	[12:01]
mircea_popescu	but it's really rabbit.	[12:01]
kakobrekla	a	[12:01]
mircea_popescu	pisica = cat ; iepure = rabbit	[12:01]
kakobrekla	rabbit meat is kinda borring to me	[12:02]
kakobrekla	but its healthy or smth	[12:02]
mircea_popescu	just low fat.	[12:02]
kakobrekla	horse ftw.	[12:03]
mircea_popescu	indeed	[12:03]
mircea_popescu	all these doods with the kobe bs never had decent mare.	[12:03]
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kakobrekla	:)	[12:04]
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dub	hot with dat gpu rig running	[12:25]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 0.735 = 5.88 BTC [-]	[12:43]
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assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P430T] 750 @ 0.07093982 = 53.2049 BTC [-]	[13:01]
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*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com/	[19:05]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 13 14:17:23 2013	[19:05]
deadweasel	ThickAsThieves: just me misinterpreting regular price fluctuation in btc	[19:05]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 300 @ 0.0054 = 1.62 BTC [+]	[19:06]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.769998 = 3.85 BTC [+]	[19:08]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.769999 = 3.08 BTC [+]	[19:08]
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mircea_popescu	;;later tell bingobongo hey, SalvorHardin and Philip both win. mark the first guy as winner and tell the other to get in touch here.	[19:09]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[19:09]
mircea_popescu	and omg wtf apparently trilema is fulla cats.	[19:10]
mircea_popescu	i had no idea.	[19:10]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 10 @ 0.005199 = 0.052 BTC [+]	[19:13]
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mircea_popescu	so in the end is bitfunder streaming quotes or not rly ?	[19:24]
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smickles	mircea_popescu: the internet is full of cats	[19:26]
smickles	and trilema is a subset of the internet	[19:26]
smickles	logic	[19:26]
mircea_popescu	ya but girls are full of cooties, guys are a subset of hm	[19:27]
ThickAsThieves	BF is doing websockets	[19:27]
mircea_popescu	i know there's something wrong with your logic but unsure what exactly	[19:27]
ThickAsThieves	so someone just has to grab them	[19:27]
smickles	mircea_popescu: it's an informal fallacy	[19:27]
mircea_popescu	also cooties	[19:27]
smickles	general -> specific	[19:27]
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smickles	mircea_popescu: i'm testing my sales system now, since i've decided to release what I have now as a 'beta' at half price.	[19:53]
smickles	re: the gui app	[19:53]
mircea_popescu	o hey	[19:53]
mircea_popescu	(also, you might consider making use of the ref system)	[19:53]
smickles	I haven't put thought into how that would work yet	[19:53]
smickles	but i do like the idea	[19:53]
smickles	;;tslb	[19:54]
gribble	Time since last block: 12 minutes and 5 seconds	[19:54]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.735 BTC [-]	[20:05]
kakobrekla	mircea_popescu its not (yet?).	[20:06]
mircea_popescu	ah k	[20:06]
mircea_popescu	i thought it was coming together yest. my bad.	[20:06]
kakobrekla	i did go about half way yea	[20:07]
kakobrekla	nature is amazing.	[20:08]
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mircea_popescu	!amaze nature	[20:10]
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kakobrekla	so, the first thing that any serious crypto currency needs/makes https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=153106.msg1624962;topicseen#msg1624962	[20:23]
mircea_popescu	;;bc,diff	[20:24]
gribble	4847647.1520656	[20:24]
kakobrekla	"gettin high on your CPU power"	[20:24]
kakobrekla	ah sry	[20:25]
kakobrekla	litecoin is now mined with gpus	[20:25]
mircea_popescu	today's installment of "evil" mp : http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/of-men-and-mice/	[20:29]
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mircea_popescu	;;bc,estimate	[20:34]
gribble	6068019.81599933	[20:34]
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dub	jebus	[20:36]
dub	;;bc,nethash	[20:36]
gribble	35978.971550544906	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	the unknowns.	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	asicminer is taking over	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	watch luke & idiotco learn chinese to better explain why everyone should care about their pasty-ass preconceptions.	[20:38]
assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.182 BTC [-]	[20:39]
assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.16 BTC [-]	[20:39]
assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 10 @ 0.16 = 1.6 BTC [-]	[20:39]
assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.152 BTC [-]	[20:39]
assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 9 @ 0.1502 = 1.3518 BTC [-]	[20:39]
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dub	well apaprently lluke has 5th of asic on his pool	[20:41]
dub	and that better not be asicminer	[20:41]
kakobrekla	jesus	[20:41]
kakobrekla	http://www.rugatu.com/questions/11266/php-array-to-string-conversion?page=1&focusedAnswerId=11270#11270	[20:41]
kakobrekla	these coders.	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	lolz	[20:42]
Namworld	ASICMINER will need to get a better chip out soon after these first batches tho	[20:42]
dub	pretty sure that was the plan	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	actually i got confused, i meant avalon.	[20:43]
dub	shrinking the process is not as hard as starting over	[20:43]
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Namworld	yeah	[20:43]
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ThickAsThieves	mp your article is kinda depressing. i think you might underestimate how many people feel like they are the only ones that see The Right Way, and separately that you could just as easily not be Right at all (life is tricky that way). You seem to care (be bothered by) so much about people that you feel are worth so little.	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	ha!	[20:56]
mircea_popescu	so how do you distinguish ?	[20:56]
ThickAsThieves	who is Right, you mean?	[20:56]
ThickAsThieves	only oneself I guess	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	a not at all.	[20:57]
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mircea_popescu	how do you distinguish between the case where you're right and the case where you're wrong	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	obviously this isn't a vestable attribute, like "being tall"	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	it's a case by case thing	[20:57]
ThickAsThieves	or a nonexistent thing	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	well, if you're going the route of relativism might as well forget about action at all	[20:58]
mircea_popescu	and focus on the senses.	[20:58]
mircea_popescu	hedonism ftw.	[20:58]
ThickAsThieves	i think human nature includes wanting everyone to be more like what you want	[20:58]
ThickAsThieves	some people handle that by just copying others to be more like the group	[20:59]
ThickAsThieves	some try to influence others	[20:59]
ThickAsThieves	to be more like them	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	but you are aware that life selects, right ?	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	evolution forces species to be more like "right", for a natural definition of that term.	[20:59]
ThickAsThieves	i'm gonna be careful cuz i'm, not quite the level of philospher/anthropologist you are	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	me either.	[21:00]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[21:00]
ThickAsThieves	but ultimately what's right, it seems, is that which keeps us most adaptable as a species	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	that's one theory.	[21:00]
ThickAsThieves	possibly comes from an expiring stage of our species	[21:01]
mircea_popescu	understand, i'm not saying there's anything wrong with the "what keeps me out of pain is right" approach in general.	[21:01]
mircea_popescu	im just saying it's woefully inadequate in anything to do with money, or more generally value	[21:01]
ThickAsThieves	money is the currency of life/time	[21:01]
mircea_popescu	yeah something like that.	[21:01]
mircea_popescu	i wrote a piece long ago, in romanian,	[21:02]
mircea_popescu	basically my theory is that the sensate world is underpinned by two essences	[21:02]
mircea_popescu	one is language, the other is money.	[21:02]
ThickAsThieves	i guess you just seem extra soapboxy lately	[21:02]
ThickAsThieves	and if i were a psychiatrist i'm sure i'd be able to figure out why	[21:02]
mircea_popescu	haha so find one	[21:02]
ThickAsThieves	one theory i have is intelligence is a burden	[21:03]
mircea_popescu	heh. do you live in the us ?	[21:03]
ThickAsThieves	yes	[21:03]
mircea_popescu	you know... we've seen this before.	[21:03]
mircea_popescu	all of it.	[21:03]
mircea_popescu	well... you wouldn't know cause you don't read russian, but it's not new.	[21:03]
ThickAsThieves	i'm no Einstein, but I al constantly disappointed in people	[21:03]
ThickAsThieves	al=am	[21:03]
mircea_popescu	1970s, the soviets were going "great", thinking people were starting to suspect intelligence is a burden.	[21:04]
ThickAsThieves	and i had to kind of find a zen place to balance it all	[21:04]
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deadweasel	me too, ThickAsThieves	[21:05]
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ThickAsThieves	i, like most of here us probly, seek out control of our environment	[21:05]
ThickAsThieves	since we cant change people	[21:05]
ThickAsThieves	we just dont associate with them	[21:05]
ThickAsThieves	irl at least	[21:05]
dub	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg1624754#msg1624754	[21:05]
deadweasel	tried that route, it's a hard road	[21:05]
dub	I know mrb isnt an idiot, so can someone explain to me why AMs costs go up if BTC/USD does?	[21:05]
ThickAsThieves	if costs go up, costs go up	[21:06]
ThickAsThieves	:)	[21:06]
mircea_popescu	dub i don't see why it would be related.	[21:06]
jurov	mircea_popescu: http://mpex.co/mpex-mktdepth.php looks stale	[21:07]
dub	ah nm, I think he's arguing against someone who thought the increasing BTC/USD was a good reason to buy AM at these prices	[21:08]
jurov	as certain diligent coinbr user spotted	[21:08]
mircea_popescu	jurov any particular spot ?	[21:08]
jurov	S.DICE has much different order book data than on asset page	[21:08]
mircea_popescu	looking.	[21:09]
ThickAsThieves	mp, is there anywhere i can read about this russian intellgence as a burden stuff?	[21:09]
deadweasel	http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeology/For-40-Years-This-Russian-Family-Was-Cut-Off-From-Human-Contact-Unaware-of-World-War-II-188843001.html	[21:12]
ThickAsThieves	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/03/14/us_malware_catalogue_hacked/ The US government's online catalog of cyber-vulnerabilities has been taken offline – ironically, due to a software vulnerability.	[21:12]
deadweasel	Clearly they didn't like atheism.	[21:12]
deadweasel	so that's a pointer	[21:12]
ThickAsThieves	i saw that one dw	[21:12]
mircea_popescu	jurov i just went through s.dice, failed to see a difference ?	[21:13]
ThickAsThieves	interesting read it was	[21:13]
mircea_popescu	the jsons are not sorted, could that give the impression the book is different ?	[21:13]
deadweasel	no doubt. imagine that -- running for your lives into siberia.	[21:14]
mircea_popescu	jurov oh i see the problem. the cache's sick.	[21:15]
dub	deadweasel: eeeevillldooooeeerssss	[21:16]
smickles	dammit!	[21:16]
smickles	all of the sudden there is an issue with the underlying toolkit i'm using	[21:17]
smickles	D:	[21:17]
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deadweasel	fuckles	[21:17]
mircea_popescu	lol	[21:24]
mircea_popescu	jurov check now!	[21:24]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves i'm not sure there's a better source of all soviet woes in englush than stoljenitsn	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	or however his name is written in english	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	Solzhenitsyn heh	[21:26]
jurov	mircea yes now it's fresh :)	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	say ty to dilligent user for me :)	[21:31]
mircea_popescu	and for the record, i'm adding safeties to not have stale cache again. this one managed to get away!	[21:32]
deadweasel	/home/dxaccess-qa/dxaccess/bin/start-results-migration.sh	[21:33]
deadweasel	crap, this is not a terminal	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	o.o	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	deadweasel : simple rule. have all terminals white on black. have all non-terminals black on white. problem solved.	[21:34]
deadweasel	yeah, simple rules don't fix things for idiots.	[21:39]
deadweasel	i'm trying though.	[21:39]
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deadweasel	lol	[21:40]
deadweasel	you will be disappointed with what you find	[21:44]
deadweasel	unless you like lab results for horses, then you'll be ecstatic	[21:46]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla likes horses.	[21:48]
kakobrekla	yeah but not the riding or the fucking part.	[21:48]
ThickAsThieves	the eating out of	[21:51]
jborkl	eating out horses?	[21:52]
deadweasel	well, alot of them have abscesses and whatnot. and cancer. and growths.	[21:52]
jborkl	That is kinda sick, but whatever	[21:53]
ThickAsThieves	funny now that everyones testing all the meat to see what animal dna is inside	[21:53]
deadweasel	yes, the horses are sick. so they go to the vet. the vet takes blood, sends it to our lab, we send the results to our pretty webUI	[21:53]
ThickAsThieves	oh look pig and lamb!	[21:53]
jborkl	I was referring to him eating out horses	[21:54]
deadweasel	no doubt	[21:54]
ThickAsThieves	no diggity	[21:54]
deadweasel	i like the way you horse it	[21:54]
deadweasel	time to punch out, adios fellas	[21:55]
jcpham	I AM GETTING ANEW PUPPY	[21:58]
jcpham	WH OWANTS TO SEE IT	[21:58]
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kakobrekla	lol now alex jones is talkin on bitcoin	[21:59]
kakobrekla	haha	[21:59]
kakobrekla	like listening to a rock.	[21:59]
TomServo	kakobrekla: What brilliant insights does he offer?	[22:03]
kakobrekla	so far he has the balls the admit he has no clue	[22:03]
kakobrekla	the = to	[22:03]
jcpham	stay away from it kakobrekla	[22:04]
TomServo	Well, that's something I guess.	[22:04]
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mircea_popescu	whi's alex jones ?	[22:06]
mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/297/litecoin-surges-to-02-bitcoins-per-litecoin/	[22:06]
mircea_popescu	how often do you see true 1:1 split ?	[22:06]
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dub	alex jones is teh face of libertardanism	[22:10]
jurov	;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:5b71a25a862c24f0927276f970937619b057231843eb509b905fdcf3	[22:11]
gribble	You are now authenticated for user jurov with key 677ABD62D0AEE7D7	[22:11]
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mircea_popescu	a ok	[22:11]
jurov	Reminder - I'm still processing S.MPOE claims for helpful MPEx users	[22:12]
jcpham	alex jones is an paranoid whacko	[22:12]
jcpham	bilderburg 9/11 inside job loony	[22:12]
jcpham	let's be clear	[22:12]
dub	yea like I said libertarian	[22:12]
jcpham	.	[22:13]
dub	straps 3 ar15s to his penis before he leaves the house	[22:13]
jcpham	in reality...	[22:13]
jcpham	lives in fear and never leaves the house	[22:14]
mircea_popescu	dub wait, libertard is someone who believes in global warming and shit about how you shouldn't say nigger, right ?	[22:14]
mircea_popescu	ie, a retarded liberal	[22:14]
ray	Since you're talking about, Alex Jones thinks Max Kaiser is the creator of Bitcoin	[22:14]
jcpham	dub isn't being descriptive enough	[22:14]
jcpham	dub is down playing this man	[22:15]
jcpham	he has a dedicated following of sheeple willing to do what he says	[22:15]
ray	yep, have you got your water filter yet? essential to remove the government drugs that make you docile	[22:16]
mircea_popescu	lol prison planet /infowars	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	ok, great.	[22:17]
ray	haha… 1776 will commence again… hilarious! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XZvMwcluEg	[22:17]
TomServo	Alex's interview with Piers Morgan was hilarious - if you're ever bored.	[22:18]
mircea_popescu	something tells me by 2015 we will be all doing some diff chain and mostly we'll be saying "no, this is not bitcoin, no this is not associated with the weirdo bitcoin devs, the weirdo bitcoin talkshow hosts and the weirdo etc"	[22:18]
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TomServo	It seemed like he was making a concerted effort to appear as batshit insane as possible...quite strange.	[22:19]
dub	TomServo: hilarious is one word for it	[22:19]
dub	yeah the batshit is strong in that one	[22:19]
TomServo	embarrassing is another	[22:19]
dub	you'd be uptight too wearing a 30kg bar of silver in your ass	[22:23]
TomServo	I think things would be rather loose in that case.	[22:24]
kakobrekla	basically AJ says Max Keiser created Bitcoin	[22:31]
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kakobrekla	hehe they mention intrade	[22:33]
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kakobrekla	;;ident kakobrekla	[22:35]
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smickles	hmm, there hasn't been an order reported from gox in a while	[22:53]
smickles	about .5 hr	[22:53]
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smickles	strange, bitcoincharts is seeing orders	[22:56]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 30 @ 0.00068 = 0.0204 BTC [-]	[23:05]
mircea_popescu	markedathome dude you're becoming like a beacon of sanity or something	[23:07]
mircea_popescu	"So please, lets just admit we aren't up to spec and have never been up to spec, and focus on getting there instead of pretending that "the world is after all perfect, if requiring a little adjustment" is a bastion of software engineering."	[23:08]
smickles	/l markedathome	[23:08]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 70 @ 0.00068 = 0.0476 BTC [-]	[23:08]
smickles	oh, not here tho	[23:08]
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markedathome	mircea_popescu: ?	[23:08]
mircea_popescu	smickles https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140233.msg1623175#msg1623175	[23:08]
kakobrekla	fuckin stupid bitcoind	[23:09]
kakobrekla	sendfrom "x" addy ammt	[23:09]
kakobrekla	sends from addy y	[23:09]
kakobrekla	not from x	[23:09]
kakobrekla	stupid.	[23:09]
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mircea_popescu	meanwhile, some guy has the following point :	[23:09]
mircea_popescu	"So for a single database transaction which consists of all Bitcoin transactions in the block the number of locks required is O(N * log_b S). This number has no upper bound, it logaritmically increases with the size of blkindex.dat."	[23:09]
mircea_popescu	basically... the current bug would have wiped us.	[23:09]
dub	kakobrekla: stop complaining and code your own one nyeaa nyeaa nyeaa	[23:10]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.769996 BTC [+]	[23:10]
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kakobrekla	this just fucked.	[23:11]
kakobrekla	and its not some optimisation feature as well	[23:12]
kakobrekla	cause they all got nice blocks of 100	[23:12]
kakobrekla	but noooo	[23:12]
kakobrekla	lets not take what user specified	[23:12]
kakobrekla	lets take some other euqal block of 100	[23:12]
assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 4 @ 0.1 = 0.4 BTC [+]	[23:12]
mircea_popescu	anyway, from reviewing the summaries of ~15mb of public and private conversations re this bug i'm sort-of contented that people have mostly got it,	[23:13]
mircea_popescu	and while they have somewhat humanly understandable trouble coming out with "We're idiots", nevertheless the message has landed fine and people are working at it.	[23:13]
mircea_popescu	ima give it a month or two and see.	[23:13]
smickles	ug, why can't i tell this thing to use my self signed cert ?	[23:14]
TomServo	I don't understand how the price is holding given the uncertainty surrounding the bug.	[23:14]
mircea_popescu	TomServo alex jones.	[23:14]
smickles	anyone know of a good free ssl cert issuer who isn't just mining me for information?	[23:14]
TomServo	haha	[23:14]
mircea_popescu	smickles nope	[23:14]
smickles	mircea_popescu: i thought you just didn't use ssl, so how would you know?	[23:15]
smickles	:P	[23:15]
mircea_popescu	why do you think i don't ?	[23:15]
smickles	conflated memory, probably	[23:15]
jurov	smickles, startssl? can't get much better than that	[23:16]
smickles	free for a yeah, eh?	[23:16]
smickles	*year	[23:16]
kakobrekla	those certs are like 10$ a pop	[23:17]
jurov	yes. then you just make other request and go another year	[23:17]
kakobrekla	why would you hassle with startssl	[23:17]
smickles	kakobrekla: what do you suggest then?	[23:17]
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jurov	i got comodo positivessl	[23:17]
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kakobrekla	dunno find a source of cheap ones	[23:18]
kakobrekla	i have a guy here that can make em for 10e or so	[23:18]
kakobrekla	mircea_popescu where is that pissing on the devs thread urlpls	[23:19]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.769996 = 1.54 BTC [+]	[23:20]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152027.0	[23:20]
kakobrekla	ty	[23:20]
mircea_popescu	o lol	[23:20]
jurov	lol, there's also spanking thread to each according to their taste.	[23:20]
Namworld	Well I managed to get gigavps to remove me from skype by arguing against his paid upgrade.	[23:21]
kakobrekla	lol	[23:21]
jurov	oh Namworld, btw i got an invoice from bitvps	[23:21]
Namworld	Not sure how he justify all those costs...	[23:21]
jurov	i hereby recommend you all to stick it into orifice of your choice	[23:21]
smickles	wtf, startssl just gave me a timeout	[23:22]
*	Namworld sneezes. An invoice pops out.	[23:22]
kakobrekla	smickles they wont give ssl to bitcoin related services	[23:22]
Namworld	Oh, that was already taken care of.	[23:22]
kakobrekla	cause its 'financial'	[23:22]
kakobrekla	and that cant be free	[23:22]
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smickles	kakobrekla: suppose i tell them that it's an accounting service and not mention anything about bitcoin	[23:23]
smickles	'cause that's true	[23:24]
kakobrekla	yeah, accounting, nothing to do with finance	[23:24]
kakobrekla	feel free to hassle with them.	[23:24]
smickles	well, i'm not finding this 10 euro guy who you have	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	the word is hustle	[23:25]
smickles	so i'm doing research	[23:25]
jurov	not if it nas coin in the domain	[23:25]
jurov	*has	[23:26]
kakobrekla	acointing.	[23:26]
kakobrekla	not a coin, not accounting.	[23:26]
kakobrekla	acointing or accointing dot something	[23:26]
jurov	smickles, i shopped here: https://www.namecheap.com/ssl-certificates/comodo.aspx	[23:26]
smickles	kakobrekla: it's smickles.com	[23:27]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.05103 BTC [-]	[23:27]
assbot	[BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.05102 BTC [-]	[23:27]
assbot	[BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.05017 BTC [-]	[23:27]
kakobrekla	there ya go that should do it	[23:27]
assbot	[BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.05 BTC [-]	[23:27]
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smickles	ah, thx jurov :)	[23:27]
jurov	startssl prolly says they don't endorse fecal humor	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	da fuck is this endorse bs	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	and btw, to all the people who think they are safe from ddos because "cloudflare" or equal bs :	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	what do you do when they "don't endorse" your site ?	[23:28]
jurov	go home	[23:29]
Namworld	Why didn't you put a cancellation request jurov?	[23:29]
mircea_popescu	sounds like a great plan, strategic manager should get a bonus for that oen.	[23:29]
jurov	Namworld, phungus clearly said "we won't ever turn your vps again."	[23:30]
Namworld	ah	[23:30]
jurov	so he's now responsible for any cancella tions	[23:30]
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Namworld	I hope he wasn't as harsh as that short sentence makes it sound.	[23:31]
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smickles	"...users using hotmail.com email address may have difficulty in receiving their hosting welcome emails from us. We strongly recommend that you use some other email address at this time. We also would advise you to contact our support using a non-hotmail email address to receive replies properly. It is especially hard to track email delivery failure with Hotmail, as Hotmail servers do not return a failed status, but silently discard emails which d	[23:31]
jurov	look into #bitvps logs, it's there	[23:31]
smickles	lol	[23:31]
Namworld	I'm not in there 24/7	[23:32]
jurov	really should i dig them for you?	[23:32]
jurov	they clearly kicked me out. so they should also cancel my acct themselves.	[23:34]
Namworld	urgh, then service should also have been cancelled	[23:34]
kakobrekla	you mean the BitVPS?	[23:35]
jurov	yes bitvps	[23:35]
Namworld	yes so he doesn't receive invoices anymore	[23:35]
kakobrekla	bitvps should be canceled yea	[23:35]
kakobrekla	its a joke	[23:35]
Namworld	Why?	[23:36]
kakobrekla	"we won't ever turn your vps again."	[23:36]
kakobrekla	this sums it up	[23:36]
Namworld	I should probably handle PR from now on...	[23:37]
kakobrekla	what would you do?	[23:37]
kakobrekla	its not a PR issue	[23:37]
Namworld	It is if that's the way things are announced.	[23:37]
jurov	Namworld, PR-side I recommend that next time a client mentions ddos possibility, you damn well listen to them	[23:38]
jurov	not like "oh coinbr.com seems under dos, too"	[23:38]
jurov	"let's do nothing"	[23:38]
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kakobrekla	lol	[23:39]
jurov	facepalm	[23:39]
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mircea_popescu	well in fairness vps wasn't going to be able to take it.	[23:39]
Namworld	I wasn't aware of anything	[23:39]
jurov	eh, not gonna to discuss this again, you're never aware of anything	[23:40]
Namworld	Either way, we only have a few dozens clients and few dedis. Not like we could have handled a large DDoS.	[23:41]
Namworld	Doesn't seem like the let go was handled properly at all.	[23:41]
Namworld	I've cancelled the service, you'll no longer receive invoices/notices.	[23:42]
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kakobrekla	Namworld what do you do when a client is 1 month late on payment	[23:43]
jurov	okay, so i'll ask only one thing. next time client asks you "in case of ddos, will i be billed the traffic?" what do you answer?	[23:43]
jurov	i hope not "i'll be surprised" like you did last week just few hours before the ddos	[23:43]
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jurov	now you probably aren't aware this happened but damn well it did. in this very channel.	[23:44]
greekbet	hi all	[23:44]
kakobrekla	hi	[23:44]
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Namworld	okay, so i'll ask only one thing. next time client asks you "in case of ddos, will i be billed the traffic?" what do you answer?	[23:54]
jurov	Namworld: what? you don't know what to do in this case?	[23:55]
dub	http://btlondon2012.co.uk/pano.html	[23:55]
Namworld	What's that about? We don't bill extra traffic, we'd ask the person to upgrade. In your case tho, would have been impossible to support you further. We'd have to drop DDoSed clients	[23:55]
dub	get your stalk on	[23:56]
Namworld	No, you make it sounds like someone said you'd be billed for it.	[23:56]
jurov	No, I think the right answer would be to ask the client why they expect the dos and where	[23:57]
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jurov	and move the info to tech staff	[23:57]
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