Forum logs for 10 Feb 2016

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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pete_d_out gnite ! [00:01]
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mod6 mircea_popescu: redirect has been put into place. [00:14]
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pete_d_out << how about that conpherence you were at recently ? shnoopdog or what was it. no gurl programmers there ? [00:22]
assbot Logged on 09-02-2016 16:34:59; asciilifeform: where? antarctica ? [00:22]
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pete_d_out << i thought 'spruce goose' was funny in junior high or thereabouts. not that this reference was any more readily grasped than 'cscl'.. [00:26]
assbot Logged on 09-02-2016 16:48:44; ben_vulpes: i am now renaming my cock to CSCL Indian Ocean [00:26]
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asciilifeform << [00:32]
assbot Logged on 10-02-2016 03:18:13; pete_d_out: << how about that conpherence you were at recently ? shnoopdog or what was it. no gurl programmers there ? [00:32]
assbot Logged on 16-01-2016 18:52:19; ascii_shmoocon: mircea_popescu: 2 'trans' for every biochik [00:32]
mod6 [00:33]
assbot [BTC-dev] V [v99995] Beta 2 - Call For Testers! ... ( ) [00:33]
asciilifeform and i have nfi what they did for a living [00:33]
mod6 barring any sort of major problems, as long as this one tests well, will bundle it up in a week or so. have at it! [00:33]
mod6 thanks in advance. [00:33]
asciilifeform mod6: neato! [00:34]
asciilifeform !up pete_d_out [00:34]
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pete_d_out thx! [00:34]
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pete_d_out asciilifeform y'know, you could've, like, asked the 'transies' [00:35]
asciilifeform ...why?? [00:35]
pete_d_out "excuse me, miss, er, sir, er... anyways, so what do you do for work ?" [00:35]
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asciilifeform again wtf why [00:35]
pete_d_out asciilifeform because people talk to each other !!!1 [00:35]
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pete_d_out to find out things (tm) (r) [00:36]
asciilifeform mmeh [00:36]
pete_d_out eg. whether your theory of "no gurl programmers except chetty" has any basis in reality [00:36]
asciilifeform i have strictly rationed Giving A Fuck Pointz [00:36]
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pete_d_out and not so strictly rationed Theories About Reality Pointz, apparently [00:37]
asciilifeform pete_d_out: it was not a theory ! merely observation [00:37]
asciilifeform about concretes [00:37]
asciilifeform plenty of things that i have not seen with own eyes, live happily somewhere. [00:38]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i dunno man, i'm just thinking. [00:38]
mircea_popescu pete_d_out nothing that i put in public. [00:38]
pete_d_out asciilifeform mno. "where are they ? antartica ?" is a theory. if a tongue-in-cheek one [00:39]
pete_d_out mircea_popescu aha [00:39]
pete_d_out mod6 nice work on v99995 ! quite a few changes in there. my v99996 test has had a few bumps in the road (mostly hosting issues afaict) but is still syncing. i'll let you know if there are any snags in that, but holleee you guys are pumping out these trb releases !! [00:43]
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asciilifeform iirc no release2 yet? [00:44]
pete_d_out right you are. i misspoke then, should be 'trb iterations' [00:47]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform: pete_d_out: for what did you think. << facebook games !!! [00:52]
asciilifeform l0l [00:52]
mircea_popescu << i never had anything else. da fuck i want anything else for. [00:53]
assbot Logged on 10-02-2016 02:16:23; asciilifeform: didja also toy with idea of chewing rusty nails ? [00:53]
asciilifeform angry turdz!11 [00:53]
asciilifeform why does mircea_popescu even need a phone. [00:54]
mircea_popescu well, need. [00:54]
asciilifeform being that he is never in any place but where he wanted to be [00:55]
asciilifeform for some reason i have difficulty picturing him with a phone. [00:56]
asciilifeform even an analogue one [00:57]
mircea_popescu i have a samsung thingee [00:59]
asciilifeform i believe it [01:00]
mircea_popescu < o.O [01:02]
assbot Logged on 10-02-2016 02:24:07; nubbins`: as a lord of bitcoin, tmsr~, cognizant of the responsibilities that my words thusly carry, i hereby solemnly rebuke any attempt to strip me of my lordship. [01:02]
mod6 pete_d_out: salud! [01:04]
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mircea_popescu i guess if the man wants it... that oughta count for something huh. [01:06]
mircea_popescu lol hardcore nubbins` [01:07]
nubbins` just call me the shadow lord [01:07]
mircea_popescu fine fine. sold me. [01:07]
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mircea_popescu <<< ican't fucking stand people talking at me at thge speed THEY think [01:13]
assbot Logged on 10-02-2016 02:25:41; phf: i thought cars are typically books-on-tape territory [01:13]
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mircea_popescu !up guest7187 [01:14]
-assbot- You voiced guest7187 for 30 minutes. [01:14]
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mircea_popescu << condoms go there [01:15]
assbot Logged on 10-02-2016 02:29:56; asciilifeform: i've never in my whole life used a back pocket. [01:15]
mircea_popescu in all the people who can't understand why they keep getting women pregnant [01:15]
mircea_popescu << ahahaha or that. [01:15]
assbot Logged on 10-02-2016 02:30:22; asciilifeform: anything therein will either be destroyed or worm its way up your arse [01:15]
mircea_popescu << you have NO FUCKING IDEA how much care you have to take of a tank [01:17]
assbot Logged on 10-02-2016 02:33:30; kakobrekla: its like youd need to 'take care' of a tank. [01:17]
mircea_popescu 6 horses better deal. [01:17]
mircea_popescu !up pete_d_out [01:18]
-assbot- You voiced pete_d_out for 30 minutes. [01:18]
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pete_d_out cheers ! [01:18]
mircea_popescu << teh iphone. [01:19]
assbot Logged on 10-02-2016 02:35:48; asciilifeform: what did apple brick 'if you used other parts in it' [01:19]
mircea_popescu or ipad or something. i dunno, one of their shits. [01:19]
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pete_d_out phf found it, tis in the logs [01:19]
pete_d_out more recent than i woulda thunk [01:19]
pete_d_out but yes, it's definitely a thing [01:20]
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mircea_popescu << cool! [01:22]
assbot Logged on 10-02-2016 03:09:53; mod6: mircea_popescu: redirect has been put into place. [01:22]
asciilifeform btw whatever one thinks of crapple, the bind they're in re: greymarket parts is very real. [01:25]
asciilifeform when morons go to chop shop and have grey chinese sensor installed, and it craps out or works 1 time in 8, they will blame - apple. [01:25]
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asciilifeform approx. same deal with the magic power cord [01:26]
asciilifeform i saw a chinese one melt, with my own eyes [01:26]
asciilifeform smelled, too [01:26]
asciilifeform (and yes, i am aware that the 'official' items are also made in cn. but they are NOT chinese in the usual sense, there are taskmasters ruthlessly driving the slaves and testing conformance to spec) [01:27]
asciilifeform ^ or at least ~were~ [01:27]
pete_d_out on the topic of the lordship list, can someone please tell me what 'fief' mats is fighting for ? pogo distribution ? pgp server thing he started then quit ? other things ? i'm genuinely curious. he doesn't contribute ~that~ much to the debates here that i can see, though he's certainly not invisible, but most of what i glean from his commentary is along the lines of "windows isn't so bad u guise", which, i guess, is what it is. anyways, [01:28]
pete_d_out i'd like to sumbit that mats be removed from the lordship list on the upcoming go-around. tis but a humble proposal to my fellow lords. [01:28]
mircea_popescu right. WERE. back in the day when nobody had to be told to use original parts. [01:28]
mircea_popescu you know ? [01:28]
mircea_popescu the way dead corps go, fences go up after the horses leave. [01:28]
asciilifeform pete_d_out: iirc he was doing the judges thing [01:30]
pete_d_out he did do some solid homework there, i concede. [01:31]
hanbot pete_d_out you sumbitting proposals from an alt? [01:32]
asciilifeform ^l0l! [01:32]
asciilifeform pete_d_out: i mainly associate him with american army and related matters [01:32]
pete_d_out hahahah omg party foul [01:32]
asciilifeform (boot camp, boots, grunting, shitting oneself, sapping, other arts) [01:32]
pete_d_out hanbot you can tell i don't do this often eh [01:33]
pete_d_out in light of the obvious circumstances, i hereby retract my non-existent proposal. signed, nobody. [01:33]
pete_d_out asciilifeform and pants pooping iirc [01:34]
pete_d_out lol nm.. [01:34]
asciilifeform i included! [01:34]
pete_d_out i'm more tired that i realised. i'm sending this alt to bed as the 4am crying-feeding is coming all too soon. ciao amigos ! [01:34]
asciilifeform goodnight pete_d_out. [01:34]
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hanbot happy sleep [01:35]
mats whoa there [01:35]
mats that's not how that story went [01:35]
asciilifeform mats: i well recall that it was a proper, orderly, military pant-shitting, don't worry [01:35]
mats good. [01:35]
nubbins` what's pete doing on the list anyway [01:36]
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asciilifeform nubbins`: iirc he wanted to be propaganda minister or the like [01:37]
nubbins` lel. [01:37]
nubbins` yoosful [01:38]
asciilifeform and possibly he handled one of mircea_popescu's synthetic assetrons, but i genuinely don't recall, this is far from my home planet [01:38]
mircea_popescu yeah how is that pr thing coming ? [01:38]
nubbins` afaik pete only wrote a blog where he regurgitated mp themes [01:38]
nubbins` and... hangs out here [01:38]
asciilifeform nubbins`: iirc he does it deliberately, it was supposed to be a summary thing [01:38]
asciilifeform for heathens to read [01:39]
nubbins` oh, really? [01:39]
asciilifeform ask'im when he wakes up. [01:39]
asciilifeform because i have nfi [01:39]
nubbins` yipes [01:39]
asciilifeform i confess, i do not usually read his thing [01:39]
nubbins` that's sorta worse [01:39]
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nubbins` yeah, bitcoin pete is not on my reading list [01:39]
nubbins` s.nsa january statement is on my reading list, but... [01:43]
asciilifeform nubbins`: [01:44]
assbot Logged on 06-02-2016 17:51:57; mircea_popescu: so for everyone watching : s.nsa will be doing double month report next month ; s.mpoe will be filing later today. [01:44]
nubbins` ah, ty [01:44]
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nubbins` is this implying an absence of operational activity? [01:47]
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asciilifeform nubbins`: nope [01:50]
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mats fwiw, most of my free time is consumed by work towards being useful for the most recent s.nsa proposal re: [01:52]
assbot Logged on 20-12-2015 18:05:28; asciilifeform: but it is also impossible ~with~ a wot, unless you are mircea_popescu and are in commerce with another mircea_popescu . [01:52]
mats and in fact this has been my primary interest in being in this wot in the first place. since the beginning. [01:52]
asciilifeform mats: neato. how's that coming along? [01:53]
mats slaving over an idapython plugin for windbg because existing ones are shit [01:53]
mircea_popescu mats well that's great to hear, actually. [01:54]
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mats overall progress is pretty slow. i would benefit from a mentor, but none of the greybeards i know, have time for me [01:56]
asciilifeform mats: idapython specifically?? in windbg? Why? [01:57]
asciilifeform lulzily, i actually liked the built-in debugger in ida. [01:58]
mats its what i learned [01:59]
mats and the public idapython plugins seemed more feature complete, so i went from there [02:00]
mats also, i was encouraged to do that. [02:01]
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BingoBoingo << Appears to be missing [03:00]
assbot Logged on 09-02-2016 18:54:06; mircea_popescu: hmm looks like qntra ate my comment [03:00]
punkman [03:01]
assbot BART admits 77 percent of train cameras are fake or don’t work - SFGate ... ( ) [03:01]
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punkman [03:03]
assbot China’s Rule of Fear by Minxin Pei - Project Syndicate ... ( ) [03:04]
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punkman "If you were wondering how banks got “too big to fail,” here’s a good place to start. This chart shows us how, over the last couple of decades, 37 banks have became just 4 mega-banks" [03:14]
assbot ... ( ) [03:14]
mircea_popescu there is no reason to have multiple banks in soviet russia. [03:17]
mircea_popescu which is what happened : the fed owns all of them anyway. [03:17]
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mircea_popescu in other news, [03:19]
assbot ... ( ) [03:19]
mircea_popescu %, best moneys ever. [03:20]
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BingoBoingo In other news, Cruz/Trump/Rubio's odds are all levelling out on BitBet after fucking Kasich won 2nd to Trump in NH. I blame that disloyal hamplanet Chris Christie. [03:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85950 @ 0.00055973 = 48.1088 BTC [-] {4} [03:37]
BingoBoingo On the other side Sanders beat Clitler 13 delegates to 9 [03:40]
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mircea_popescu vaguely related, [03:51]
assbot ... ( ) [03:51]
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BingoBoingo In further developments, Cruz has now jumped Rubio as the new BitBet favorite. [04:10]
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BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [05:32]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 377.5, vol: 5705.40195699 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 381.88, vol: 5740.47168 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 378.14, vol: 13050.93419762 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 378.0, vol: 0.27294365 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 389.45205, vol: 18178.66740000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 378.0, vol: 1167.00217383 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 381.63624, vol: 80.41276963 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) [05:32]
BingoBoingo ;;more [05:32]
gribble 383.230107573 [05:32]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all --currency jpy [05:32]
gribble Bitstamp BTCJPY last: 43270.9375, vol: 5705.40195699 | BTC-E BTCJPY last: 43774.255875, vol: 5740.47168 | CampBX BTCJPY last: 43328.25, vol: 0.27294365 | BTCChina BTCJPY last: 44652.5716, vol: 18185.49820000 | Kraken BTCJPY last: 43427.931, vol: 173.34285269 | Bitcoin-Central BTCJPY last: 43725.7692, vol: 80.41276963 | Volume-weighted last average: 44210.4863285 [05:32]
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punkman nice pile of crap [06:00]
assbot ... ( ) [06:00]
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deedbot- [Qntra] Intel Removes Skylake Feature Retroactively With Microcode Update - [07:58]
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kakobrekla < 'take care' as in 'dont drive over this puddle of kittens or it will break!!!!' [09:30]
assbot Logged on 10-02-2016 04:12:55; mircea_popescu: << you have NO FUCKING IDEA how much care you have to take of a tank [09:30]
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adlai >>> raise your hand if you've ever replaced AFV treads [09:35]
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adlai kakobrekla: you'd be surprised how easily the entire thing pops right off, like those rubber treads on toys [09:36]
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BingoBoingo adlai: How else does General Dynamics get the parts contracts? [09:50]
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adlai heh that'd be good for some hand-wringing: planned obsolescence in military equipment. expiration date reached? cardano broadcasts private key! [09:52]
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BingoBoingo Seriously It's a thing [09:59]
BingoBoingo Compare and contrase Humvee and Toyota/Nissan truck maintenance [10:00]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla no, like take off the fucking threads and grease the stupid small wheel bs [10:21]
kakobrekla adlai, mircea_popescu , can you sit on it ? [10:22]
mircea_popescu a tank does 10 gallons to the mile as opposed to a truck's 10 miles to the gallon. the maintenance involved is comensurate. [10:22]
mircea_popescu adlai i haven't, but i had people do it, and felt sorry for them. [10:22]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla sit on what, the tank ? sort-of. the modern shits are obnoxious. historically yes [10:23]
adlai mircea_popescu: i hope you didn't let that feeling show! [10:23]
mircea_popescu later, with the womenz. [10:23]
mircea_popescu that's what womenz are for amirite. [10:23]
kakobrekla yes, sit on the tank. great, i can sit on my phone also. [10:23]
mircea_popescu lol ok. [10:23]
mircea_popescu qed. [10:24]
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mircea_popescu PARTAY! [10:25]
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mircea_popescu speaking of which, [10:25]
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BingoBoingo Why is the mobility impaired in this ad? [10:28]
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asciilifeform ;;google tigerfibel [10:29]
gribble Tiger I Information Center - The Tigerfibel: ; Tigerfibel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Die "Tiger Fibel": [10:29]
asciilifeform ^ re: tank, megaclassic [10:30]
mircea_popescu in other news, [10:30]
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adlai BingoBoingo: passive-aggressive fat shaming [10:32]
BingoBoingo adlai: Sad thing. Actually Ad composed in the same way jokes are. [10:32]
BingoBoingo Apparently Colorado Technical is Butterbeast Community College IRL [10:33]
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mircea_popescu << lol KWI, best doorstop tank [10:34]
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shinohai ;;later tell mod6 successfully patched V per ML instructions, now v99995 [10:35]
gribble The operation succeeded. [10:35]
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mircea_popescu selbst moralisten und moral sind unmoralisch manches mal! [10:39]
mircea_popescu such a gem this thing [10:40]
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asciilifeform i was quite certain we had a tigerfibel thread [10:41]
mircea_popescu multiple. still a fucking gem. [10:41]
asciilifeform aha!! [10:41]
asciilifeform best manual for a product in history, srsly [10:42]
mircea_popescu could well be, yeah. was just contemplating that. [10:42]
mircea_popescu fucking EXACT opposite of contemporary anglo retardation, incidentally. [10:42]
asciilifeform aha [10:42]
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asciilifeform much this [10:43]
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mircea_popescu fucking thing had virtually no suspensions, manual inertial starter, fucking wooden seats if memory serves... [10:45]
mircea_popescu no living wage fucktard loved his honda civic like this tank was loved. [10:46]
mircea_popescu you wanna complain about being stguck in traffic, how about being stuck in fucking rasputitza. [10:46]
asciilifeform 34 was loved, idk re tiger [10:46]
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asciilifeform adlai: sounds like a terrestrial version of 'das boot' !! will watch. [10:49]
adlai aha! yes! [10:49]
adlai significantly less traumatic. [10:49]
mircea_popescu did the t34 even have seats ? [10:50]
asciilifeform did [10:50]
mircea_popescu iirc they just suspended the crewman on anal hooks [10:50]
asciilifeform nah thats american cars [10:50]
mircea_popescu lol [10:50]
BingoBoingo nah thats american cars << Only after 2005 model year. Previously there was a scrotum loop to take some weight off of anal hook. [10:52]
mircea_popescu << indicated soundtrack for said fibel. [10:52]
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mircea_popescu lol frau elvira gab. tiger. [11:12]
mircea_popescu "OK: consider a city full of Chinese people, rigorously following written [11:14]
mircea_popescu instructions on the handling of small (8-byte, to be concrete) amounts of [11:14]
mircea_popescu information in particular systematic ways. (Yes, a group of individuals [11:14]
mircea_popescu running round with an internal monologue which if dragged first from [11:14]
mircea_popescu mentalese to Cantonese and thus to English might be rendered as "I'm an [11:14]
mircea_popescu S-box! I'm an S-box!", "I'm an transposer! I'm a transposer!", and the like.) [11:14]
mircea_popescu They pass the outputs of their rule-following to designated, possibly [11:14]
mircea_popescu conditionally-different, individuals. Such a small city can compute DES [11:14]
mircea_popescu encryptions/decryptions without a semiconductor in sight. [11:14]
mircea_popescu And that estimable Mr Searle will explain why each of them must be shot [11:14]
mircea_popescu after performing their role more than a few times, as they now understand [11:14]
mircea_popescu not only block cipher design but the content of the encrypted message :-) [11:14]
mircea_popescu Cheerski, Stefek "I Was A Chinese Sex Slave" Z" [11:14]
mircea_popescu ahaha such a gem #2. [11:15]
mircea_popescu i proclaim this the morning of gems! [11:15]
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mircea_popescu 1998-10-26 Terry Ritter: "I would hope that anyone reading Schneier's article would recognize that it is seriously flawed in many ways." [11:16]
mircea_popescu 1998-10-27 Kery Minola: "You are really grasping at straws...." [11:16]
mircea_popescu 1998-10-27 Xcott Craver: "!!! It's obvious that the memo did not mean 'prove' in the strict mathematical sense, but in the empirical sense." [11:16]
mircea_popescu 1998-10-27 Douglas A. Gwyn: "The 'empirical proof' means very little since it can't allow for the eavesdropper's cryptanalytic abilities." [11:16]
mircea_popescu 1998-10-27 Xcott Craver: "Are you suggesting that we should use something other than the scientific method?" [11:16]
mircea_popescu 1998-10-27 W T Shaw: "To demand a single route to the truth is to prejudice against truths that may not be so conform to that path. This is the essence of what is wrong with what Bruce advocates, which is the same old tired argument we have heard for ages." [11:16]
mircea_popescu basicallty, the debate between accountants and scholars, started long ago, will continue forever. [11:17]
mircea_popescu 1998-10-28 "ACtually if you come up with a good cipher you will not get it tested since they try to keep the rank of phony experts quite small." lol. [11:17]
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-assbot- You voiced Sheepola for 30 minutes. [11:18]
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mircea_popescu 1998-11-23 Stefan Axelsson: "What is needed, is some other, resilient, long lasting, redundant third party storage of references, such as a library is for printed material today." [11:25]
mircea_popescu funny how this entire fucking discussion is about how everyone there would really need want and desperately aspires to be in #b-a. [11:25]
mircea_popescu #b-a so schneier and the rest of the usg-powered nobodies get the swanson treatment ; #b-a so there's deedbot ; #b-a so everything in there comes back to it. [11:26]
mircea_popescu anyway, shot ritter an email, curious what comes of this. [11:31]
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mircea_popescu << teh esteemed entomologists may be interested in that discussion. [11:59]
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asciilifeform << recall the 'eternity' service [12:48]
assbot Logged on 10-02-2016 14:21:31; mircea_popescu: funny how this entire fucking discussion is about how everyone there would really need want and desperately aspires to be in #b-a. [12:48]
asciilifeform and related experiments, in the old days [12:48]
mircea_popescu aha [12:49]
asciilifeform << so far no answer from blaze [12:49]
assbot Logged on 10-02-2016 14:27:29; mircea_popescu: anyway, shot ritter an email, curious what comes of this. [12:49]
* mircea_popescu feels more and more each day roughly in the position of the guy in that one tribe that successfully unearthed pre-war tech. [12:49]
mircea_popescu oh, there are other tribes out there, you say ? and they have quick horses and long-lashed women, you say ? BWAHAHAHAHAA [12:50]
mircea_popescu glhf. [12:50]
asciilifeform what tech? rsa ? [12:55]
mod6 mornin' [12:59]
mod6 successfully patched V per ML instructions, now v99995 << cool! beat up on it, let me know if you find any probs. [12:59]
shinohai Because if I am useful for nothing else around here it is breaking things. [13:00]
mod6 break it! [13:01]
asciilifeform << what part of this ? [13:02]
assbot Logged on 10-02-2016 14:54:48; mircea_popescu: << teh esteemed entomologists may be interested in that discussion. [13:02]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform naw. the whole shebang. [13:06]
mircea_popescu let's be explicit here lol. [13:07]
mircea_popescu what tech? rsa ? << naw. the whole shebang. [13:07]
mircea_popescu what part of this ? << all of it. [13:07]
mircea_popescu and omfg cherries here are good. [13:08]
mircea_popescu Islamists opposed the law because "neither elected MPs nor the government has the authority to change the law because these institutions could misinterpret the word of God". <<< check it out alf, the orcs get it. [13:08]
mircea_popescu "no legitimacy in democracy". [13:08]
asciilifeform eh they just have a different pope [13:09]
asciilifeform naturally no other pope is welcome [13:10]
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mircea_popescu besides the point. the principle is still sound : there is no font of legitimacy in democracy. elected derps have no authority to change the law. [13:11]
mircea_popescu and interpretation is included in there. [13:11]
asciilifeform they also burn heretics for idolatry, all the while pilgrimaging to 'dome of the rock', etc. [13:13]
asciilifeform snore. [13:13]
mircea_popescu so ? [13:14]
mircea_popescu this is like saying rms also doesn't wash. [13:14]
mircea_popescu da fuck do i care if he does. [13:14]
asciilifeform well if the whole appeal of orcs is 'not yet radiation damaged' [13:14]
mircea_popescu i had no intention of fucking him anyway. unless he were to hire my as his hygienist, which is not something i do anyway, it;s really not my concern. [13:14]
mircea_popescu what appeal ? there's no appeal. they just happen to have a point. [13:15]
mircea_popescu kalash fires as well if triggered pulled by monkey as by man. [13:15]
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asciilifeform sure does. [13:15]
asciilifeform what the monkey cannot do, however, is aim. much less make a kalash. [13:15]
mircea_popescu well, they did make the point. [13:16]
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asciilifeform speaking of collapse, the lulfest in michigan is interesting in light of how it is presented by volkischer beobachter [13:17]
asciilifeform all in terms of 'tragedy', 'oh noez, city folks are getting bottles of clean water when showing id, but illegal mexicans have no id, what sad' [13:18]
asciilifeform no mention, of course, of the dekulakized property owners [13:18]
mircea_popescu which one is this one ? [13:18]
asciilifeform (who are forced to keep paying for the unusable water, and may not legally sell the house) [13:18]
asciilifeform flint, mi. [13:18]
mircea_popescu oh oh [13:18]
asciilifeform usa. [13:18]
mod6 any one have any strong feelings on googletest & googlemock as a comprehensive testing framework for trb ? [13:19]
asciilifeform mod6: nfi. what even is this [13:19]
asciilifeform i thought we had 313337 perl scriptz or somesuch, for test [13:19]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform i don't understand this, so flint been using lead pipes like... all places ever. what is the issue ? [13:20]
mod6 well, i built some automated tests in cucumber/perl for V. but i'm saying for bitcoind itself. [13:20]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: iirc it wasn't only lead, but various bacteria, obvious stink, every possible 'don't even wash your hands with this, much less drink' indicator imaginable [13:20]
mod6 and it has a mock framework that can be utilized as well, and this could be really powerful. [13:20]
mircea_popescu ah [13:20]
asciilifeform so what i was thinking is, [13:20]
mircea_popescu mod6 im unfamiliar. is it a cloud service thing ? [13:21]
asciilifeform usg and local microusglets have no intention of collecting any less tax as infrastructure vanishes [13:21]
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mircea_popescu or anyway, try and explain as best as possible the externalities here ? [13:21]
mod6 i might have to go on a wild goose chase with this some time, post release when I have more time. [13:21]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform doh. tax is set by the cattle ability to pay, nothing else. same tax is collected in new york and bahrein or w/e. [13:21]
asciilifeform aha [13:21]
asciilifeform whereas there is a widespread delusion in usa, that tax is somehow payment for services rendered [13:22]
mod6 mircea_popescu: [13:22]
assbot GitHub - google/googletest: Google Test ... ( ) [13:22]
asciilifeform the flint thing is an elegant illustration of reality, re: this. [13:22]
asciilifeform they are degenerating literally to the level of inca palace economy [13:23]
asciilifeform show up at city hall, get drinkable water. if not, not. [13:23]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform part of the democratic lie. that "tax is payment" , that "law is agreement", that "authority is legitimate" etc. [13:23]
mircea_popescu they all flow in the same manner. [13:23]
mod6 anyway, boost has its own unit testing abilities, which is what the current test are built with -- the allure of a mock framework here though, could be helpful. [13:23]
asciilifeform aha [13:23]
mircea_popescu mod6 i will confes i am prejudiced against it just for having google in its name. [13:24]
asciilifeform ^ [13:24]
mircea_popescu which is probably the contrary result to what they intended. [13:24]
mod6 ok. [13:24]
mircea_popescu so basically it's a c++ test framework. [13:25]
mircea_popescu could be useful. [13:25]
mod6 what if there was a different mock framework that wasn't [13:25]
mircea_popescu mod6 understand, i'm not going to necessarily act on my prejudices. just being upfront. [13:25]
mod6 sure. [13:25]
mod6 anyway, this is all food for thought; planting a seed. we'll have to revisit this later. [13:25]
mircea_popescu In addition to many internal projects at Google, Google Test is also used by the following notable projects: The Chromium projects (behind the Chrome browser and Chrome OS). The LLVM compiler. Protocol Buffers, Google's data interchange format. The OpenCV computer vision library. [13:25]
mircea_popescu so basically, it IS definitionally better than the boost suite. [13:26]
mircea_popescu "Linux Requirements These are the base requirements to build and use Google Test from a source package (as described below): [13:26]
mircea_popescu GNU-compatible Make or gmake POSIX-standard shell POSIX(-2) Regular Expressions (regex.h) A C++98-standard-compliant compiler" [13:26]
mircea_popescu i dun see a problem there. [13:26]
mircea_popescu diana_coman you have any idea re this thing ? [13:26]
asciilifeform why is this needed, again ? [13:27]
mod6 we were just discussing it re eulora. [13:27]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform tests are the best thing there is. [13:27]
mod6 i wasn't too clued on C++ testing frameworks. but mockito is pretty helpful with stuff, so something similar in C++ space would be nice. [13:27]
mircea_popescu tests are actually better than code. [13:27]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: mno. not-making-bugs is the best thing there is. [13:28]
asciilifeform with corrections 2nd best [13:28]
mircea_popescu thats a thing that isn't. [13:28]
asciilifeform testing - 100th place. [13:28]
asciilifeform aha. [13:28]
mircea_popescu let's not mix categories. [13:28]
mod6 so to that point, it is nice to run a regression suite when any changes are made. [13:29]
mircea_popescu mod6 the principle is sound. i have nfi as to the choice, but the principle is sound. [13:29]
mod6 ok, thanks to you both. sorry for the diversion here, we can discuss in the future. [13:30]
asciilifeform one tricky bit is that trb is a ~system~ [13:30]
asciilifeform and much of the undesired behaviour we've seen so far occurs only as part of the system [13:30]
asciilifeform rather than malfunction/misdesign of any particular component [13:30]
mircea_popescu quite, yes. [13:30]
asciilifeform and moreover, it cannot be tested meaningfully except in live fire [13:30]
mircea_popescu you can not know what can be tested meaningfully until after you have done so. [13:31]
asciilifeform i've experimented with tcp replay for testing [13:31]
asciilifeform this might be a productive approach for trb [13:31]
mircea_popescu the problem is "meaningfully" is a very slippery term. shit can be quite meaningful to humans. [13:31]
asciilifeform (you simulate, approximately, a few hours of planet) [13:31]
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punkman some smaller test libs perhaps [13:33]
assbot GitHub - evolutional/utest: An ultra-lightweight, micro unit test framework for C99 presented as a single-header ... ( ) [13:33]
assbot GitHub - mity/cutest: Simple (single header) C/C++ unit testing facility. ... ( ) [13:33]
mircea_popescu i suspect it's actually better to pick a one thing and get everyone to use that. [13:33]
diana_coman mircea_popescu, I asked mod6 if he knew of some good testing tools for cpp as I am not up to date with the landscape on that for cpp [13:33]
mircea_popescu ah k [13:33]
mircea_popescu i thought you suggested it maybe. [13:34]
mod6 diana_coman had one in mind that was super lightweight, looked ok for doing assertions. [13:35]
mod6 just started diving into what's out there for C++ that has a bit more meat to it. [13:35]
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mod6 i think i'll have to drive out a poc of one of these frameworks at some point. not now though, too much other stuff to get done first. [13:36]
mircea_popescu it's a reasonable thing for the short to mid term. [13:36]
mircea_popescu having a trb-test suite is a good move, because even if dissidence is a b-a tradition, nevertheless it allows a common basis to make communication useful. [13:37]
diana_coman fwiw the google thing looked all right to me re features, but I wasn't too sure re who made it, lol [13:37]
diana_coman need to look into it more [13:37]
mircea_popescu i suspect the llvm crew. [13:38]
mircea_popescu prolly grew out of their buffers thing. [13:38]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the other little boojum is that we don't actually know a known-good output for most of the thing. [13:38]
asciilifeform nor what failures to test for. [13:38]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes, but this is not a counterarghumnet, on the contrary. testing suite may help there too. [13:38]
mod6 the adventure must begin somewhere :] [13:38]
asciilifeform incidentally, here is a very painful test i've contemplated [13:39]
asciilifeform on an isolated lan, place trb nodes, and break all known blocks into tx, [13:39]
asciilifeform then let them get re-mined [13:39]
mircea_popescu ahahaha these fuctards. moved water intake from lake to river with no further precautions, on old lead lines! HOLY SHIT. there is extant roman text as to the idiocy of this move. [13:40]
mircea_popescu this is utterly what the dawn of civilisaiton looks like. next, nobody could have predicted pissing on the electric fence. [13:41]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform this is actually not something that can be done anymore i fear. mining criteria changed ~3 times [13:41]
asciilifeform phun phakt - coastal usaschwitz inmates regard the inlands as 'flyover', a sort of built-in zimbabwe, and give very little fuck re: what happens there [13:42]
mircea_popescu "A class-action lawsuit alleges the state Department of Environmental Quality didn't treat the water for corrosion, in accordance with federal law, and because so many service lines to Flint are made of lead, the noxious element leached into the water of the city's homes." [13:42]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ah and precisely the point, i would like to learn ~what~ cannot be done any more [13:42]
mircea_popescu bejesus. [13:42]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform everything can still be done. the poiint is that a hole large enough to fit the earlier blocks will result in a hole too large today, that'd admit things that won't get mined. [13:43]
mircea_popescu the thread narrowed. [13:43]
asciilifeform how would it admit anything other than the test tx pool made from smashed real-world blocks ? [13:44]
asciilifeform which are known to have been mined in reality [13:44]
mircea_popescu der, s-high, there's a list. [13:45]
mircea_popescu the fact that they were mined in the past is no guarantee they would be mined today [13:45]
asciilifeform now this is true [13:49]
asciilifeform but in point of fact, miners being retarded does not mean the protocol has changed. [13:49]
mircea_popescu sure. but tests are tests. [13:49]
mircea_popescu in lighter news, [13:52]
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mircea_popescu "It isn't easy to build a large general-purpose quantum computer, but many people publicly working on it seem to think that they'll be successful next decade. Maybe there will be serious obstacles that slow down or stop this success, but there's clearly a serious risk to RSA and ECC, and it isn't sensible risk management to pretend that the problem doesn't exist." [13:55]
mircea_popescu fucking bullshit omfg. i am not PRETENDING the problem doesn't exist. the problem does factually not exist. [13:56]
mircea_popescu what fucking problem ? [13:56]
mircea_popescu MIT idiots were going to be successful next decade every decade since 1950. then "winter" "happened" because totally. [13:56]
mircea_popescu and they'll have the unmitigated audacity to call it "the quantum winter" as opposed to "the just desserts after a decade of fraudulent pseudoscientific claims" and/or "what happens when ponzi schemes deflate" [13:57]
mircea_popescu i expect there's going to be a "climatology winter" too starting next year, as opposed to "we lied for pay and after that the employer had no further use of lying pseudoscientists". [13:58]
asciilifeform already started, no ? [13:58]
asciilifeform (per yesterday's log) [13:58]
mircea_popescu "Lattice-based cryptography is another important candidate for post-quantum public-key cryptography, and is the main topic of this blog post. The main practical reason to consider lattice-based encryption rather than code-based encryption is that lattice-based systems advertise much smaller public keys." << WRONG. [13:58]
mircea_popescu small public key = you lose. small block = you lose. quickly computable = you lose. [13:59]
mircea_popescu get with the motherfucking program, bunch of snake oil salesmen. [13:59]
asciilifeform plus the whole climatology thing was a misguided excercise - the reich for some reason thought people would happily deindustrialize and starve out of religious fervor, but then understood that bayonet is good enough [13:59]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform quite yes [13:59]
mircea_popescu neither fervor nor bayonet. "people", if you can call english speakers that, will industrialize as they do : out of pompous laziness. that's how it always goes. [14:00]
mircea_popescu what color lipstick you put on that pig - vanitas vanitatum. [14:00]
asciilifeform deindustrialize. [14:00]
mircea_popescu industrialization is driven on the backs of starving slave/iobagi, and deindustrialization is driven by lazy, entitled idiots. [14:00]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah it's what i meant. [14:01]
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mircea_popescu exact equivalent of the anabolic/catabolic processes in the human body. if there aren't people falling over in the street out of sheer hunger as an unremarkable phenomenon, there's no industrialization afoot. if there aren't any "self-betterment" dudes moving about, there's no dezindustrialization occurring. [14:02]
mircea_popescu re other thread : the only point of interest in lattice stuff would be homomorphisms. which don't work yet. [14:03]
asciilifeform actually mega-nonsecret, it sorta does work [14:04]
asciilifeform i have it right here at rupture farms [14:04]
asciilifeform not ~UNIVERSAL~, and provably [14:04]
asciilifeform but for 'certain values of works' - worx. [14:04]
mircea_popescu well kinda what i mean by doesn't work : "works for some values of work" [14:05]
mircea_popescu if i meant does not work at all i would make no mention whatever. [14:05]
asciilifeform it is provably not doable for arbitrary turing tape. [14:09]
asciilifeform back to earlier's thread, i am willing to pascal's wager on shor's algo SO LONG AS it costs me nothing. [14:10]
asciilifeform possibly unlike mircea_popescu [14:10]
mircea_popescu even going under that : afaik not yet usable in crypto [14:10]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform things may cost you nothing, that is your privilege. things always cost me something, because of my peculiar relationship with the fucking future. [14:10]
asciilifeform what does using multiple SANELY INDEPENDENT cipherators cost mircea_popescu ? [14:12]
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mircea_popescu alowing the possibility that this scam is actually worth taking seriously costs the people who follow what i say whatever it may cost them. [14:12]
asciilifeform srsly, if there is one mega-lesson mircea_popescu taught me, it is that by DEMANDING sanity, you will get it [14:12]
mircea_popescu works for pussy, also. [14:12]
mircea_popescu the two are much closelier related than people generally wish to accept. [14:13]
asciilifeform incidentally, to pick up a thread from last night, one useful lemma re: chaining is, [14:13]
asciilifeform have multiple branches of possible inner cipher at every level [14:13]
asciilifeform enemy does not know which follows. [14:13]
mircea_popescu yes. always large block to small ; always few to many options. [14:14]
mircea_popescu branch it out like a tree. [14:14]
asciilifeform aha! [14:14]
mircea_popescu (this reduces to what the idiots do with their s boxes incidentally) [14:14]
mircea_popescu if a very ugly degenerate form. [14:14]
asciilifeform this is really a specificity-of-diddling theorem application. [14:14]
mircea_popescu aha [14:14]
asciilifeform eliminate things enemy may rely on. [14:14]
mircea_popescu so as you can no doubt follow, asciilifeform from the political considerations discussed it follows that while i don't allow for the possibility of "quantum computer", i don't disallow your implementing a scheme which would be deemed (by idiots) as "quantum resistant". [14:15]
mircea_popescu check out how complicated things get. [14:16]
asciilifeform aha! [14:17]
asciilifeform i can even see the dirigle algebra involved here ! [14:18]
asciilifeform *dirigible [14:18]
asciilifeform see wat happens when earth bloke hangs out with martians long enough. [14:18]
mircea_popescu lol [14:21]
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mircea_popescu in other dirigible news, [14:45]
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BingoBoingo ;;later tell danielpbarron improving [15:29]
gribble The operation succeeded. [15:29]
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mircea_popescu and in random lulz, [16:07]
assbot Want Your Own Version of Bitcoin? Hire This Guy - Bloomberg Business ... ( ) [16:07]
mircea_popescu apparently it's "one of about 20" nao. [16:07]
mircea_popescu whereas in "tardstalk produces mp-wannabe #5476576985" news, [16:09]
assbot Reddit Censors Bitcoin 2.0 ... ( ) [16:09]
asciilifeform is his name Sed ? [16:10]
asciilifeform 'hire this guy' [16:11]
mircea_popescu sed the hirethisguy. [16:11]
asciilifeform 3-5k per chump per mo. for doing jack shit? [16:13]
asciilifeform not bad [16:13]
mircea_popescu fiat money tho, not terribly useful. [16:14]
asciilifeform just 1 of these is enough to stay in roquefort and orc-free street [16:15]
asciilifeform useful enough. [16:15]
asciilifeform it won't buy a dirigible, no [16:15]
BingoBoingo from mp 2.0 link [16:16]
assbot Alpha Aeonis — Rachael - Chapter 1 ... ( ) [16:16]
asciilifeform 'I have been involved in Bitcoin since before the "Mt. Gox Fast Pay" thread that produced Bitinstant. My law cases make me the bearer of Bitcoin 2.0 no matter what. Bitcoin 2.0 is simply my daemon forked from a sued Ripple Labs qualified as an invention with features added and the Bitcoin upgrade address 1J7CAm6bavGcG52xgobn8n9ScnAzH8JZUm - I have pledged to drain the exchanges until exchange [16:17]
asciilifeform rate is zero across currencies and issue Bitcoin 2.0 based on incoming bitcoin and signatures made by participating addresses. This means the issuance honors mining until the end of bitcoin and can be more than total bitcoin present. I suspect 1 BTC 2.0 will have the spending power of 1 USD current by issuance. My pedigree.' [16:17]
asciilifeform ^ gold [16:17]
mircea_popescu pretty good yea [16:20]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: << re multi-cipher [16:20]
assbot Ritter's Crypto Glossary and Dictionary of Technical Cryptography ... ( ) [16:21]
asciilifeform scroll to 'deceptive article' [16:21]
mircea_popescu "Since most conventional block ciphers are in fact product ciphers, they testify to the worth of multiple encryption, even with weak internal ciphering functions." [16:21]
mircea_popescu exactly what we were saying above re s boxes [16:21]
asciilifeform aha. [16:21]
asciilifeform but i'm blown away by the maurer & massey thing [16:22]
asciilifeform << found it. [16:22]
mircea_popescu i dunno that that particular item informs anything. [16:22]
mircea_popescu i for instance had never read it / wouldn't care to now. [16:23]
asciilifeform psychiatric, not mathematical. [16:23]
asciilifeform strictly for entomologists ! [16:23]
mircea_popescu yeah but dunno. [16:23]
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asciilifeform the paper is pretty tame, actually [16:30]
asciilifeform not sure why he picked it up as disinfo [16:30]
mircea_popescu no idea. [16:31]
asciilifeform arrives at howlingly obvious conclusion. [16:31]
asciilifeform (incidentally, the problem of an inner cipher introducing known-plaintextisms is solved routinely by splitting the payload into xor-able halves, using rng, and enciphering each ~half~ with different cipher, rather than box-in-box composition) [16:33]
asciilifeform ^ in this case, enemy actually must break both ciphers ~independently~ [16:34]
asciilifeform he cannot use knownplaintextisms created by one, to help in the other [16:34]
mircea_popescu there are some schemes which, if the result is split, lose strength [16:35]
asciilifeform not by xor [16:35]
asciilifeform again the motherfucking xor lemma [16:35]
asciilifeform so hard to grasp ? [16:35]
mircea_popescu haha [16:36]
asciilifeform if i give you one half of a xor pair, it tells you ~nothing~ about the plaintext... [16:36]
asciilifeform and you can use shamir's split algo for n>2 [16:36]
asciilifeform if you want >2 pieces. [16:36]
mircea_popescu i misread the split. [16:36]
asciilifeform ah [16:36]
asciilifeform what this gambit ~does~ cost, is weight [16:36]
asciilifeform you get 2x the ciphertext bitz. [16:36]
mircea_popescu look at the usual case : we exchange 1kb messages. [16:37]
asciilifeform plus whatever overhead from the individual cipherators. [16:37]
mircea_popescu if the increase is 100x this impacts nothing [16:37]
mircea_popescu similarly with the key. so large key can't be sent over the wire. bwahahahaha mkay. [16:37]
mircea_popescu (for the future, the ~ONLY way to get a key would be to ask trusted third party for it. such as hey x you know y ? send me his key!) [16:38]
mircea_popescu just like with chicks and their phone numbers. [16:38]
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asciilifeform this is harmless, but to rely on the enemy having difficulty getting your pubkey is lunacy [16:40]
mircea_popescu not at all. [16:40]
mircea_popescu merely, that the "key over the wire in the jungle" aspect need not be accounted for. [16:40]
asciilifeform ah this - yes [16:40]
mircea_popescu getting rid of one of the most idiotic constraints people-who-are-not-me put on cipher design [16:41]
asciilifeform even with ip-over-dead-goat, 1MB key is what, a few min. [16:41]
mircea_popescu quite. now 1mb IS probably too large to be useful (unless actual mathematical need/benefit for it is shown) [16:41]
mircea_popescu but kbytes, puhleaze./ [16:41]
mircea_popescu so i have to leave pc overnight / rng on for ten minutes to make a key ? big whoop, i make a key a year if that, and i'm an intensive user. [16:42]
asciilifeform one demonstrable benefit is that it multiplies the cost of brute force. [16:42]
asciilifeform pretty much for free. [16:42]
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asciilifeform incidentally, imho mircea_popescu could write a splendid article about the xor lemma. [16:49]
asciilifeform and in the process, grasp it fully... [16:49]
mircea_popescu eh there is no grasping fully. [16:49]
asciilifeform how's that [16:50]
mircea_popescu just like that, of the crooked timber and all that. [16:52]
asciilifeform for whatever timber - arithmetic is the straightest saw we've got. [16:54]
mircea_popescu yes but i'm not in the business of carpentry. [16:56]
asciilifeform xor lemma is probably the closest thing we have to a fundamental theorem in crypto [16:57]
asciilifeform and i admit, i would greatly enjoy reading a mircea_popescu piece on same. [16:57]
mircea_popescu that's actually true huh [16:57]
asciilifeform aha. [16:57]
* mircea_popescu looks forward to a time when say berman's is a fundamental theorem in crypto [16:58]
jurov not sure it's even a crypto invention. noisy channel theory says basically the same (think channel with 50% bit flip noise) [17:00]
asciilifeform phun phakt, kotelnikov proved a good chunk of shannon, ~before~ shannon. [17:01]
asciilifeform during ww2 in fact. [17:01]
mircea_popescu jurov doesn't have to be invented in crypto to be fundamental for crypto [17:05]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'if a unary language [17:08]
asciilifeform is NP-complete then P = NP' [17:08]
asciilifeform ? [17:08]
mircea_popescu mno ? [17:08]
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mircea_popescu did i say that somewhere ? [17:09]
asciilifeform berman's theorem [17:09]
mircea_popescu nono [17:09]
mircea_popescu !s real first order [17:10]
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mircea_popescu there. [17:10]
asciilifeform expand on this ? [17:11]
mircea_popescu << as per. [17:13]
assbot The complexity of linear problems in fields ... ( ) [17:13]
mircea_popescu basically showing that a+b < c is true or false for a, b, c in R is a harder-than-NP problem. [17:14]
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asciilifeform 'Sorry, your request could not be processed because the format of the URL was incorrect. Contact the Help Desk if the problem persists. [SD-001]' << l0l [17:16]
mircea_popescu sigh. [17:16]
mircea_popescu anyway, get his guy stuff from library, if can't be web'd (i spent a little trying to dig that one up). [17:16]
mircea_popescu did a lot of work on an interesting if oft neglected part of hardness / pressburger arithmetic etc. [17:17]
asciilifeform found it [17:17]
asciilifeform mega-backbreaker [17:17]
mircea_popescu (unlike peano, presburger is actually decidable. but it has no multiplication. [17:18]
asciilifeform i wil eat six airplanes before i go through this proof. [17:18]
mircea_popescu however - that decidability has a cost, and the cost is > exponential. [17:19]
mircea_popescu as a curio - this was a very promising field just about the time of mit ai being a very promising field [17:19]
mircea_popescu just like it - ALSO disappeared with virtually no trace. [17:19]
mircea_popescu the why and wherefore be left for students from the future. [17:20]
asciilifeform ww2 killed it. [17:20]
asciilifeform approximately. [17:20]
mircea_popescu this is 60s-70s and a little 80s. [17:20]
asciilifeform ah, i was thinking of Schönfinkel et al [17:20]
mircea_popescu no different bloom, this. [17:21]
mircea_popescu actually : the cost is shown to be double-exponential. fischer & rabin 1974. [17:22]
mircea_popescu [17:22]
asciilifeform if this, it rose and fell with the career of s. cook. [17:22]
asciilifeform but yes, it is all now buried beneath many layers of sediment. [17:23]
asciilifeform we can dig up a little, but it is a bit like digging pompei [17:24]
mircea_popescu i originally gave it as an example to stand pro toto for a larger set. specifically - that hunting the p = np thing is a waste of time, when there are in point of fact items known to be harder than np. [17:24]
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mircea_popescu but yes, expect all such items to be buried in well - curated burial pits. [17:24]
mircea_popescu for the obvious reasons. [17:24]
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asciilifeform (most elementarily - tricks involving time travel) [17:27]
mircea_popescu hm ? [17:32]
asciilifeform or everett's solution ! [17:32]
asciilifeform (by some accounts - he USED it! ) [17:33]
mircea_popescu lmao [17:33]
asciilifeform l0l mircea_popescu knows what it was. [17:33]
asciilifeform or hm, was it his daughter who did. [17:34]
asciilifeform (for n00bz: pistol is connected to a recognizer box, shoots you in the head in all universes where rng did not shit out the solution) [17:34]
mircea_popescu i suppose h. everett is the foundational lemma of sf. [17:34]
mircea_popescu "multiverses" and all that. [17:35]
asciilifeform in a way, we all use everett's device every day. [17:35]
mircea_popescu in the same way, we also go to bed with the empress-consort of china every night. [17:35]
asciilifeform the retarded, careless, or otherwise incapacitated versions of mircea_popescu and asciilifeform are not here. [17:36]
mircea_popescu !s from:mircea "i don't care" [17:36]
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mircea_popescu 69 begs to differ. [17:36]
mircea_popescu << perhaps interesting re presburger [17:37]
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asciilifeform spiffy, now if only it weren't javatronic [17:38]
mircea_popescu source provided. [17:38]
asciilifeform yeah let's somebody translate from the cuneiform. [17:39]
mircea_popescu iirc, eu was spending some decent money on a derivative to evaluate safety of embedded systems [17:39]
asciilifeform the mega-champ is acl2. [17:39]
asciilifeform !s acl2 [17:39]
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asciilifeform used at, e.g., amd, to prove the correctness of their alu. [17:40]
asciilifeform (after the intel debacle) [17:40]
mircea_popescu there we go. "To maintain the European leading edge position in the transportation as well as automation market, CESAR aims to boost cost efficiency of embedded systems development and safety and certification processes by an order of magnitude." [17:40]
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asciilifeform cute. the same folks as did the block cipher contest [17:41]
asciilifeform (how did that end?) [17:41]
mircea_popescu mmm. [17:41]
mircea_popescu "a contest of which nothing is known but the name", i guess. [17:41]
asciilifeform mno? [17:42]
asciilifeform [17:42]
assbot Crypto competitions: [17:42]
asciilifeform e.g., [17:42]
assbot Crypto competitions: [17:42]
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mircea_popescu M18, 2015.09.28–29: DIAC 2015: Directions in Authenticated Ciphers 2015. Singapore. [17:42]
mircea_popescu TBA: Deadline for Verilog/VHDL. [17:42]
mircea_popescu TBA: Announcement of third-round candidates. [17:42]
mircea_popescu mmkay ? [17:42]
asciilifeform not over yet? [17:43]
mircea_popescu i guess the correct answe is "not ended yet" [17:43]
mircea_popescu right. [17:43]
asciilifeform << lulzy [17:44]
assbot Crypto competitions: [17:44]
mircea_popescu getting back to the yurpean news, [17:44]
assbot ... ( ) [17:44]
mircea_popescu There is an extensive, and apparently never-ending, literature on "lightweight identification protocols" such as HB, HB+, HB++, HB-MP, HB*, Trusted-HB, and HBsharp. Each of these protocols was broken within one year of being proposed. Note that any authenticated cipher can trivially be used for identification: the challenger sends a random message; the prover sends back the same message, authenticated. [17:47]
mircea_popescu loller. [17:47]
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asciilifeform !up Conflict [17:48]
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shinohai [17:48]
assbot Why 8chan will not be getting Infinity Next. — Medium ... ( ) [17:48]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: recall the crapple power cable thread? device makers want 'authenticator' in every candy wrapper. and so are drawn to crackpot 'ten transistors!1111' auth schemes like moths to flames [17:50]
mircea_popescu aha. [17:50]
mircea_popescu it's lulzy how shitthy these are. [17:50]
mircea_popescu i guess someone should make a three-mosfet hash function. just spit out the 1/f pink. [17:51]
asciilifeform the schmuck peddling group-theoretical crypto firm at 'shmoocon' wanted auth chips in pills [17:51]
mircea_popescu "hashing - works ; reproducibility - not yet. BUT IT IS UNBREAKABLE!" [17:51]
asciilifeform l0l! [17:51]
asciilifeform spreadingworks! [17:51]
mircea_popescu copypaste ^ [17:53]
mircea_popescu ah by now two days old. i guess stale huh. [17:53]
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mircea_popescu chanz dramas. [17:54]
asciilifeform the other mega-nonsecret, [17:55]
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asciilifeform usg ~really~ wants non-clonable, non-spoofable cheap rfid [17:55]
asciilifeform to spread everywhere [17:55]
mircea_popescu gotta track 'em goats. [17:55]
asciilifeform 'smart dust' etc. [17:55]
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asciilifeform track every used napkin. [17:55]
mircea_popescu but yes. however, unfortunately for them, this is a very hard problem. [17:55]
copypaste mircea_popescu: yes already stale [17:55]
mircea_popescu anything good in there ? [17:56]
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asciilifeform phun phakt, many (most?) auto tyres already infested with (ordinary) rfid [17:58]
asciilifeform plain old serial # transponder. [17:58]
mircea_popescu that's actually a very close solution. about as good as it gets in terms of your dream "sunken bubbles in the ocean" [18:00]
mircea_popescu costs more to cut the tyre and replace or make a replacement than it costs to let it be. [18:00]
shinohai copypaste: was very much a tl;dr [18:01]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: you can burn them remotely [18:01]
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asciilifeform elementary. [18:01]
mircea_popescu !up PierreDe [18:02]
-assbot- You voiced PierreDe for 30 minutes. [18:02]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform well yes but then won't have one. [18:02]
asciilifeform will - once you inject new one [18:02]
asciilifeform hence why they want micro-authenticator. [18:02]
asciilifeform right now you can trivially make replacement chip with arbitrary # [18:03]
mircea_popescu i suppose once people get serious about it, it could be made to cost less than the tyre. [18:03]
asciilifeform also the things cost about a dime now [18:03]
asciilifeform which means only a handful per tyre [18:03]
asciilifeform if they were smaller... [18:03]
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mircea_popescu "I understand a business has to make money. 8chan needs to make money to survive, but making money and being open source is not mutually exclusive. Lots of sites do it, including reddit, one of the biggest sites on the Internet today." [18:10]
mircea_popescu ajhaha what the fuck is wrong with these retards. [18:10]
mircea_popescu "emperor palpatine" and "reddit, one of the blabla". 1) reddit is shit ; 2) reddit never made any fucking money. [18:10]
asciilifeform is open source ? wut? [18:11]
mircea_popescu i dunno that i'd eat salami made out of kids today. [18:11]
asciilifeform where do i read the vote fudge algo ? [18:11]
mircea_popescu i have nfi what they're drinking, but there's this cloud of pointedly useless 20somethings floating around in this lalaland of delusional thinking the likes of which has not been seen ever since the turks wore the byzantine "aristocratic" kids as cock decorations five centuries ago. [18:12]
asciilifeform and there wasn't, in '93 ? [18:13]
mircea_popescu reddit makes money and is important, star wars is an acceptable font of comparisons, "exaggeration" in the sense of retardation is an acceptable stylistic maneuver, and the list just goes on and on. [18:13]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform no dude. 20yo in '93 was fucking afraid of getting a beatdown. [18:13]
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mircea_popescu these delusioanl urchins are so used to seeing themselves as a sort of neo-in-matrix that it just doesn't compute. [18:14]
asciilifeform eternal september looks much the same now as then [18:14]
asciilifeform what really changed is the lack of reference. [18:15]
mircea_popescu to my eyes, sept 93 looks like the flu as compared to this bubonic leprosy varicella. [18:15]
asciilifeform in '93 there ~were~ functioning industries that set a standard for wrangling physical reality. [18:15]
mircea_popescu aha. [18:15]
asciilifeform whereas today 'vc billionaire' [18:15]
mircea_popescu but this is important! these shitheads are ENTIRELY self referential now. [18:15]
asciilifeform aha. [18:15]
asciilifeform arse-mouth. [18:16]
asciilifeform best restaurant is a hose!111 [18:16]
mircea_popescu i think as the collapse advances, i will be very hard pressed to resist the temptation to take a trip over to sf and just serb the fucking place. [18:16]
mircea_popescu go door to door, beat all males to death, rape all females, load them up in trucks and ship them to fucking bahrein. what the everliving fuck, these people should not live. [18:17]
mircea_popescu i had no idea genocide could be so intellectually appealing. [18:18]
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mircea_popescu but hey, "i guess now you know how the ''syrian refugees'' feel". [18:19]
asciilifeform i thought they felt 'hey, free shit' [18:20]
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mircea_popescu mno. [18:20]
mircea_popescu i think it's a lot more like "look, befouled real estate" [18:20]
mircea_popescu "copper sulphate and planks with nails, clean this shit out" [18:21]
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asciilifeform the 'cleaners' are 100% catabolic. [18:22]
asciilifeform left alone, they could not make even a goat. [18:22]
mircea_popescu the cleaners are how you even have the word algorithm. [18:22]
asciilifeform ahaha l0l no. [18:22]
asciilifeform no more than modern egypt built the pyramids. [18:23]
mircea_popescu well i guess this point shall be verified in practice huh. [18:23]
mircea_popescu there's no stopping the cleansing, i dun think. [18:23]
asciilifeform limonov understood in '92 [18:23]
asciilifeform the western mental asylum can do many things to many people, but cannot make them ~want to live~ [18:24]
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asciilifeform even orwell in '43 essay understood why, e.g., hitler is appealing vs the insipid fossil civilization orwell inhabited [18:25]
asciilifeform and germany was an only slightly better-looking horse at that glue factory, even. [18:25]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: hey what's all the rumour of a euro resistance movement ? disinfo ? [18:27]
asciilifeform wishful thinking ? [18:27]
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danielpbarron << cargocult othernews [18:38]
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mircea_popescu no idea. [18:42]
mircea_popescu but as best i can discern, any sort of "resistance movement" would be in the sense of "we'll do the raping and pillaging ourselves, who are these foreign derps" rather than "we'll defend the shithole". [18:43]
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mircea_popescu so only very technically a "resistance", more like a first-to-kick-the-loser competition. [18:43]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron wassat ? [18:44]
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danielpbarron idk i found it on twatter [18:48]
mircea_popescu looks like some sort of "happening" or w/e. [18:48]
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deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump to win South Carolina Republican Primary - [19:31]
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deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bernie Sanders will be Democrats' 2016 Presidential Nominee - [20:24]
deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump to win South Carolina Republican Primary - [20:24]
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mircea_popescu << hearnia lolz. [20:45]
assbot What Roger Ver thinks about Theymos? ... ( ) [20:45]
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shinohai keks [20:52]
shinohai What's Roger Ver doing on bitcointalk anyway since he built his own forum to be a beacon of free speech? [20:53]
mircea_popescu nobody cared and he's a drama queen ? [20:53]
* mircea_popescu recalls the lulzier years in 2011-2012 back when roger ver was actually pretending to be like, a business man, and stuff. [20:54]
mircea_popescu in trotally not related news, [20:55]
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mircea_popescu and in more of the same, [22:00]
assbot Card frauds used bitcoins to trade money - Times of India ... ( ) [22:00]
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mircea_popescu but whatever, the fiat deck of cards will endure because... i dunno, everyone will promise to not take a shit on it and also uphold that promise. sounds workable :D [22:02]
gernika mod6 verified in v99995_beta2 that it no longer presses a non-existent patch name and throws an error instead. [22:03]
deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bernie Sanders will be Democrats' 2016 Presidential Nominee - [22:06]
mircea_popescu and in other muslim news, [22:10]
assbot ... ( ) [22:10]
mircea_popescu cheers gernika [22:10]
mod6 thanks gernika! [22:31]
gernika yw mod6 :) [22:32]
deedbot- [Qntra] Bitcointalk Default Trust Member Arrested For Debit Card Fraud - [22:40]
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kakobrekla lolk [22:41]
mircea_popescu kik [22:41]
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punkman the neverending *chan drama eh [22:43]
BingoBoingo * mircea_popescu recalls the lulzier years in 2011-2012 back when roger ver was actually pretending to be like, a business man, and stuff. << NEver forget $50 chargeback because Ver's sticky hands were in all the things then [22:43]
mircea_popescu , [22:44]
mircea_popescu lol. ridoinculous. [22:44]
mircea_popescu the "captains of industry" days. [22:45]
punkman mircea_popescu: did you ever advertise on 2ch? [22:45]
mircea_popescu punkman i asked them to either support bitcoin or do a one time deal for me. they were going to get back, never did. [22:45]
mircea_popescu why, you know someone ? [22:45]
punkman was just wondering if you ever talked to the Jim fellow that owns both that and 8ch [22:46]
mircea_popescu nope. [22:46]
BingoBoingo Remember when copypaste though he owned 8chan? That's the sort of misunderstanding that seems to preclude doing business with 2ch. [22:49]
punkman [22:51]
assbot 2ch Chronicle - Wikibooks, open books for an open world ... ( ) [22:51]
punkman also the other guy that thought he owned 2ch [22:51]
punkman "To whom it may concern: The previous management was not able to generate enough income to pay the bills for the expenses of running 2ch. Previously I allowed some autonomy to them. During that time my name has been slandered. The ability for 2ch to generate enough income to stay open was damaged. I hope that with proper management that 2ch can recover." [22:52]
punkman [22:58]
assbot /newspaper/ - [HISTORY][2CH.NET][RP] ... ( ) [22:58]
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BingoBoingo [23:02]
assbot Agents of Thermos: "Default Trust" member arrested, Tradefortress still at large : Buttcoin ... ( ) [23:02]
mircea_popescu punkman mind that by their very nature, chans NEVER pay for their bills. [23:07]
mircea_popescu it's always a godfather sort of deal. [23:07]
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BingoBoingo I just found out that apparently using a radio telescope pointed at a pulsar for a time source is something actually being done. [23:10]
mircea_popescu for a while now. quite good timepiece, a pulsar. [23:10]
punkman mircea_popescu: well Jim must be making some money to pay for the bandwidth, no? [23:11]
mircea_popescu no. [23:11]
BingoBoingo I can finally replace wound spring for keeping me standard time [23:11]
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mod6 ;;halfreward [23:17]
gribble Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Thu Jul 14 04:52:41 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 22 weeks, 0 days, 2 hours, 40 minutes, and 0 seconds. [23:17]
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BingoBoingo Today I learned Gavin Assassinen is on the city council [23:19]
assbot BatChainer comments on Bitcoin Classic Release Announcement ... ( ) [23:19]
mircea_popescu by "godfather sort of deal" i mean specifically [23:19]
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assbot Logged on 16-10-2015 15:12:55; mircea_popescu: aka, pay for all our sins, as we can't afford to do it. and so you get godfathers, and get to enjoy the movie. that's his role in the community : that he pays your blodgelt for you. [23:19]
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deedbot- [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Sociological catalogue entry: Chumpatronico Cancúnica - [23:23]
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asciilifeform << l0ltr0n1c [23:28]
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assbot ... ( ) [23:28]
asciilifeform also 3133333337 latex !!111 vs american microshit wurd !!111 [23:29]
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BingoBoingo In the ongoing collapse American serfs now being moved to scratch different patches of dirt [23:29]
assbot Urban farmers working vacant Kinloch property get surprise when land's rightful owner shows up : News ... ( ) [23:29]
BingoBoingo ;;later tell pete_d_out You know, you might want to defend your title from nubbins' as it seems he wants all of Canada to himself. [23:35]
gribble The operation succeeded. [23:35]
asciilifeform << l0l! the 'montrex' gambit! [23:40]
assbot Logged on 11-02-2016 01:47:54; punkman: "To whom it may concern: The previous management was not able to generate enough income to pay the bills for the expenses of running 2ch. Previously I allowed some autonomy to them. During that time my name has been slandered. The ability for 2ch to generate enough income to stay open was damaged. I hope that with proper management that 2ch can recover." [23:40]
asciilifeform (who remembers?? 'i was never a sc4mz0r, but now you called me one, and thereby i now lack the money to fill $promise' ) [23:41]
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BingoBoingo That's roughly half of all discussions in the history of bitcointalk [23:45]
punkman heh [23:53]
punkman [23:54]
assbot the magnetic fields - underwear - YouTube ... ( ) [23:54]
shinohai <<< must have this shirt [23:56]
assbot ... ( ) [23:56]
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