Forum logs for 10 Feb 2016

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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pete_d_out	gnite !	[00:01]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15900 @ 0.00056769 = 9.0263 BTC [+]	[00:07]
mod6	mircea_popescu: thebitcoin.foundation/src redirect has been put into place.	[00:14]
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pete_d_out	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2016#1400809 << how about that conpherence you were at recently ? shnoopdog or what was it. no gurl programmers there ?	[00:22]
assbot	Logged on 09-02-2016 16:34:59; asciilifeform: where? antarctica ?	[00:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27352 @ 0.00056571 = 15.4733 BTC [-]	[00:25]
pete_d_out	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2016#1400869 << i thought 'spruce goose' was funny in junior high or thereabouts. not that this reference was any more readily grasped than 'cscl'..	[00:26]
assbot	Logged on 09-02-2016 16:48:44; ben_vulpes: i am now renaming my cock to CSCL Indian Ocean	[00:26]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2016#1401740 << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=16-01-2016#1372916	[00:32]
assbot	Logged on 10-02-2016 03:18:13; pete_d_out: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2016#1400809 << how about that conpherence you were at recently ? shnoopdog or what was it. no gurl programmers there ?	[00:32]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 18:52:19; ascii_shmoocon: mircea_popescu: 2 'trans' for every biochik	[00:32]
mod6	http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-February/000210.html	[00:33]
assbot	[BTC-dev] V [v99995] Beta 2 - Call For Testers! ... ( http://bit.ly/1oqqg7a )	[00:33]
asciilifeform	and i have nfi what they did for a living	[00:33]
mod6	barring any sort of major problems, as long as this one tests well, will bundle it up in a week or so. have at it!	[00:33]
mod6	thanks in advance.	[00:33]
asciilifeform	mod6: neato!	[00:34]
asciilifeform	!up pete_d_out	[00:34]
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pete_d_out	thx!	[00:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32323 @ 0.00056427 = 18.2389 BTC [-] {2}	[00:34]
pete_d_out	asciilifeform y'know, you could've, like, asked the 'transies'	[00:35]
asciilifeform	...why??	[00:35]
pete_d_out	"excuse me, miss, er, sir, er... anyways, so what do you do for work ?"	[00:35]
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asciilifeform	again wtf why	[00:35]
pete_d_out	asciilifeform because people talk to each other !!!1	[00:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94878 @ 0.00057111 = 54.1858 BTC [+] {4}	[00:35]
pete_d_out	to find out things (tm) (r)	[00:36]
asciilifeform	mmeh	[00:36]
pete_d_out	eg. whether your theory of "no gurl programmers except chetty" has any basis in reality	[00:36]
asciilifeform	i have strictly rationed Giving A Fuck Pointz	[00:36]
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pete_d_out	and not so strictly rationed Theories About Reality Pointz, apparently	[00:37]
asciilifeform	pete_d_out: it was not a theory ! merely observation	[00:37]
asciilifeform	about concretes	[00:37]
asciilifeform	plenty of things that i have not seen with own eyes, live happily somewhere.	[00:38]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i dunno man, i'm just thinking.	[00:38]
mircea_popescu	pete_d_out nothing that i put in public.	[00:38]
pete_d_out	asciilifeform mno. "where are they ? antartica ?" is a theory. if a tongue-in-cheek one	[00:39]
pete_d_out	mircea_popescu aha	[00:39]
pete_d_out	mod6 nice work on v99995 ! quite a few changes in there. my v99996 test has had a few bumps in the road (mostly hosting issues afaict) but is still syncing. i'll let you know if there are any snags in that, but holleee you guys are pumping out these trb releases !!	[00:43]
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asciilifeform	iirc no release2 yet?	[00:44]
pete_d_out	right you are. i misspoke then, should be 'trb iterations'	[00:47]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: pete_d_out: for what did you think. << facebook games !!!	[00:52]
asciilifeform	l0l	[00:52]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2016#1401608 << i never had anything else. da fuck i want anything else for.	[00:53]
assbot	Logged on 10-02-2016 02:16:23; asciilifeform: didja also toy with idea of chewing rusty nails ?	[00:53]
asciilifeform	angry turdz!11	[00:53]
asciilifeform	why does mircea_popescu even need a phone.	[00:54]
mircea_popescu	well, need.	[00:54]
asciilifeform	being that he is never in any place but where he wanted to be	[00:55]
asciilifeform	for some reason i have difficulty picturing him with a phone.	[00:56]
asciilifeform	even an analogue one	[00:57]
mircea_popescu	i have a samsung thingee	[00:59]
asciilifeform	i believe it	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2016#1401637 < o.O	[01:02]
assbot	Logged on 10-02-2016 02:24:07; nubbins`: as a lord of bitcoin, tmsr~, cognizant of the responsibilities that my words thusly carry, i hereby solemnly rebuke any attempt to strip me of my lordship.	[01:02]
mod6	pete_d_out: salud!	[01:04]
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mircea_popescu	i guess if the man wants it... that oughta count for something huh.	[01:06]
mircea_popescu	lol hardcore nubbins`	[01:07]
nubbins`	just call me the shadow lord	[01:07]
mircea_popescu	fine fine. sold me.	[01:07]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2016#1401645 <<< ican't fucking stand people talking at me at thge speed THEY think	[01:13]
assbot	Logged on 10-02-2016 02:25:41; phf: i thought cars are typically books-on-tape territory	[01:13]
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mircea_popescu	!up guest7187	[01:14]
-assbot-	You voiced guest7187 for 30 minutes.	[01:14]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2016#1401670 << condoms go there	[01:15]
assbot	Logged on 10-02-2016 02:29:56; asciilifeform: i've never in my whole life used a back pocket.	[01:15]
mircea_popescu	in all the people who can't understand why they keep getting women pregnant	[01:15]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2016#1401673 << ahahaha or that.	[01:15]
assbot	Logged on 10-02-2016 02:30:22; asciilifeform: anything therein will either be destroyed or worm its way up your arse	[01:15]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2016#1401686 << you have NO FUCKING IDEA how much care you have to take of a tank	[01:17]
assbot	Logged on 10-02-2016 02:33:30; kakobrekla: its like youd need to 'take care' of a tank.	[01:17]
mircea_popescu	6 horses better deal.	[01:17]
mircea_popescu	!up pete_d_out	[01:18]
-assbot-	You voiced pete_d_out for 30 minutes.	[01:18]
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pete_d_out	cheers !	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2016#1401698 << teh iphone.	[01:19]
assbot	Logged on 10-02-2016 02:35:48; asciilifeform: what did apple brick 'if you used other parts in it'	[01:19]
mircea_popescu	or ipad or something. i dunno, one of their shits.	[01:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 119797 @ 0.00056733 = 67.9644 BTC [-] {3}	[01:19]
pete_d_out	phf found it, tis in the logs	[01:19]
pete_d_out	more recent than i woulda thunk	[01:19]
pete_d_out	but yes, it's definitely a thing	[01:20]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2016#1401738 << cool!	[01:22]
assbot	Logged on 10-02-2016 03:09:53; mod6: mircea_popescu: thebitcoin.foundation/src redirect has been put into place.	[01:22]
asciilifeform	btw whatever one thinks of crapple, the bind they're in re: greymarket parts is very real.	[01:25]
asciilifeform	when morons go to chop shop and have grey chinese sensor installed, and it craps out or works 1 time in 8, they will blame - apple.	[01:25]
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asciilifeform	approx. same deal with the magic power cord	[01:26]
asciilifeform	i saw a chinese one melt, with my own eyes	[01:26]
asciilifeform	smelled, too	[01:26]
asciilifeform	(and yes, i am aware that the 'official' items are also made in cn. but they are NOT chinese in the usual sense, there are taskmasters ruthlessly driving the slaves and testing conformance to spec)	[01:27]
asciilifeform	^ or at least ~were~	[01:27]
pete_d_out	on the topic of the lordship list, can someone please tell me what 'fief' mats is fighting for ? pogo distribution ? pgp server thing he started then quit ? other things ? i'm genuinely curious. he doesn't contribute ~that~ much to the debates here that i can see, though he's certainly not invisible, but most of what i glean from his commentary is along the lines of "windows isn't so bad u guise", which, i guess, is what it is. anyways,	[01:28]
pete_d_out	i'd like to sumbit that mats be removed from the lordship list on the upcoming go-around. tis but a humble proposal to my fellow lords.	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	right. WERE. back in the day when nobody had to be told to use original parts.	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	you know ?	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	the way dead corps go, fences go up after the horses leave.	[01:28]
asciilifeform	pete_d_out: iirc he was doing the judges thing	[01:30]
pete_d_out	he did do some solid homework there, i concede.	[01:31]
hanbot	pete_d_out you sumbitting proposals from an alt?	[01:32]
asciilifeform	^l0l!	[01:32]
asciilifeform	pete_d_out: i mainly associate him with american army and related matters	[01:32]
pete_d_out	hahahah omg party foul	[01:32]
asciilifeform	(boot camp, boots, grunting, shitting oneself, sapping, other arts)	[01:32]
pete_d_out	hanbot you can tell i don't do this often eh	[01:33]
pete_d_out	in light of the obvious circumstances, i hereby retract my non-existent proposal. signed, nobody.	[01:33]
pete_d_out	asciilifeform and pants pooping iirc	[01:34]
pete_d_out	lol nm..	[01:34]
asciilifeform	i included!	[01:34]
pete_d_out	i'm more tired that i realised. i'm sending this alt to bed as the 4am crying-feeding is coming all too soon. ciao amigos !	[01:34]
asciilifeform	goodnight pete_d_out.	[01:34]
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hanbot	happy sleep	[01:35]
mats	whoa there	[01:35]
mats	that's not how that story went	[01:35]
asciilifeform	mats: i well recall that it was a proper, orderly, military pant-shitting, don't worry	[01:35]
mats	good.	[01:35]
nubbins`	what's pete doing on the list anyway	[01:36]
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asciilifeform	nubbins`: iirc he wanted to be propaganda minister or the like	[01:37]
nubbins`	lel.	[01:37]
nubbins`	yoosful	[01:38]
asciilifeform	and possibly he handled one of mircea_popescu's synthetic assetrons, but i genuinely don't recall, this is far from my home planet	[01:38]
mircea_popescu	yeah how is that pr thing coming ?	[01:38]
nubbins`	afaik pete only wrote a blog where he regurgitated mp themes	[01:38]
nubbins`	and... hangs out here	[01:38]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: iirc he does it deliberately, it was supposed to be a summary thing	[01:38]
asciilifeform	for heathens to read	[01:39]
nubbins`	oh, really?	[01:39]
asciilifeform	ask'im when he wakes up.	[01:39]
asciilifeform	because i have nfi	[01:39]
nubbins`	yipes	[01:39]
asciilifeform	i confess, i do not usually read his thing	[01:39]
nubbins`	that's sorta worse	[01:39]
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nubbins`	yeah, bitcoin pete is not on my reading list	[01:39]
nubbins`	s.nsa january statement is on my reading list, but...	[01:43]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=06-02-2016#1398202	[01:44]
assbot	Logged on 06-02-2016 17:51:57; mircea_popescu: so for everyone watching : s.nsa will be doing double month report next month ; s.mpoe will be filing later today.	[01:44]
nubbins`	ah, ty	[01:44]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37100 @ 0.00056584 = 20.9927 BTC [-]	[01:46]
nubbins`	is this implying an absence of operational activity?	[01:47]
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asciilifeform	nubbins`: nope	[01:50]
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mats	fwiw, most of my free time is consumed by work towards being useful for the most recent s.nsa proposal re: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-12-2015#1348500	[01:52]
assbot	Logged on 20-12-2015 18:05:28; asciilifeform: but it is also impossible ~with~ a wot, unless you are mircea_popescu and are in commerce with another mircea_popescu .	[01:52]
mats	and in fact this has been my primary interest in being in this wot in the first place. since the beginning.	[01:52]
asciilifeform	mats: neato. how's that coming along?	[01:53]
mats	slaving over an idapython plugin for windbg because existing ones are shit	[01:53]
mircea_popescu	mats well that's great to hear, actually.	[01:54]
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mats	overall progress is pretty slow. i would benefit from a mentor, but none of the greybeards i know, have time for me	[01:56]
asciilifeform	mats: idapython specifically?? in windbg? Why?	[01:57]
asciilifeform	lulzily, i actually liked the built-in debugger in ida.	[01:58]
mats	its what i learned	[01:59]
mats	and the public idapython plugins seemed more feature complete, so i went from there	[02:00]
mats	also, i was encouraged to do that.	[02:01]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12767 @ 0.00056584 = 7.2241 BTC [-]	[02:16]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61608 @ 0.00056452 = 34.7789 BTC [-] {4}	[02:32]
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BingoBoingo	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2016#1401125 << Appears to be missing	[03:00]
assbot	Logged on 09-02-2016 18:54:06; mircea_popescu: hmm looks like qntra ate my comment	[03:00]
punkman	http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/BART-admits-77-percent-of-train-cameras-are-fake-6818459.php	[03:01]
assbot	BART admits 77 percent of train cameras are fake or don’t work - SFGate ... ( http://bit.ly/1QUIXZY )	[03:01]
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punkman	https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/china-fear-bureaucratic-paralysis-by-minxin-pei-2016-02	[03:03]
assbot	China’s Rule of Fear by Minxin Pei - Project Syndicate ... ( http://bit.ly/1QUJ5J0 )	[03:04]
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punkman	http://i2.wp.com/www.exposingtruth.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/bank-chart.jpg "If you were wondering how banks got “too big to fail,” here’s a good place to start. This chart shows us how, over the last couple of decades, 37 banks have became just 4 mega-banks"	[03:14]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1QUJR8N )	[03:14]
mircea_popescu	there is no reason to have multiple banks in soviet russia.	[03:17]
mircea_popescu	which is what happened : the fed owns all of them anyway.	[03:17]
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mircea_popescu	in other news, http://static.adclickxpress.is/avx/images/b/DHM160X600.jpg	[03:19]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1QUKj79 )	[03:19]
mircea_popescu	%, best moneys ever.	[03:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95922 @ 0.00056723 = 54.4098 BTC [+] {2}	[03:20]
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BingoBoingo	In other news, Cruz/Trump/Rubio's odds are all levelling out on BitBet after fucking Kasich won 2nd to Trump in NH. I blame that disloyal hamplanet Chris Christie.	[03:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85950 @ 0.00055973 = 48.1088 BTC [-] {4}	[03:37]
BingoBoingo	On the other side Sanders beat Clitler 13 delegates to 9	[03:40]
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mircea_popescu	vaguely related, http://41.media.tumblr.com/8ef68c41bdf08d2706812737b323f547/tumblr_mhg0b3hl3n1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg	[03:51]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1RondI3 )	[03:51]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58200 @ 0.00056099 = 32.6496 BTC [+] {4}	[04:02]
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BingoBoingo	In further developments, Cruz has now jumped Rubio as the new BitBet favorite.	[04:10]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57700 @ 0.00056141 = 32.3934 BTC [-]	[04:33]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15650 @ 0.00056379 = 8.8233 BTC [+] {2}	[05:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.00056379 = 10.4865 BTC [+]	[05:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19106 @ 0.00056379 = 10.7718 BTC [+]	[05:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68500 @ 0.00056379 = 38.6196 BTC [+]	[05:31]
BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all	[05:32]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 377.5, vol: 5705.40195699 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 381.88, vol: 5740.47168 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 378.14, vol: 13050.93419762 \| CampBX BTCUSD last: 378.0, vol: 0.27294365 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 389.45205, vol: 18178.66740000 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 378.0, vol: 1167.00217383 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 381.63624, vol: 80.41276963 \| Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)	[05:32]
BingoBoingo	;;more	[05:32]
gribble	383.230107573	[05:32]
BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all --currency jpy	[05:32]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCJPY last: 43270.9375, vol: 5705.40195699 \| BTC-E BTCJPY last: 43774.255875, vol: 5740.47168 \| CampBX BTCJPY last: 43328.25, vol: 0.27294365 \| BTCChina BTCJPY last: 44652.5716, vol: 18185.49820000 \| Kraken BTCJPY last: 43427.931, vol: 173.34285269 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCJPY last: 43725.7692, vol: 80.41276963 \| Volume-weighted last average: 44210.4863285	[05:32]
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punkman	http://irdajp.info/images/irdastack.PNG nice pile of crap	[06:00]
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deedbot-	[Qntra] Intel Removes Skylake Feature Retroactively With Microcode Update - http://qntra.net/2016/02/intel-removes-skylake-feature-retroactively-with-microcode-update/	[07:58]
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kakobrekla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2016#1401805 < 'take care' as in 'dont drive over this puddle of kittens or it will break!!!!'	[09:30]
assbot	Logged on 10-02-2016 04:12:55; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2016#1401686 << you have NO FUCKING IDEA how much care you have to take of a tank	[09:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9550 @ 0.00056053 = 5.3531 BTC [-]	[09:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71023 @ 0.00057252 = 40.6621 BTC [+] {3}	[09:34]
adlai	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=27-01-2016#1386711 >>> raise your hand if you've ever replaced AFV treads	[09:35]
assbot	Logged on 27-01-2016 00:06:01; ascii_butugychag: i thought adlai ~had~ a trade - tank mechanic	[09:35]
adlai	kakobrekla: you'd be surprised how easily the entire thing pops right off, like those rubber treads on toys	[09:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42312 @ 0.00056225 = 23.7899 BTC [-] {2}	[09:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14588 @ 0.00055888 = 8.1529 BTC [-]	[09:39]
BingoBoingo	adlai: How else does General Dynamics get the parts contracts?	[09:50]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104800 @ 0.00057465 = 60.2233 BTC [+] {4}	[09:52]
adlai	heh that'd be good for some hand-wringing: planned obsolescence in military equipment. expiration date reached? cardano broadcasts private key!	[09:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107800 @ 0.00057632 = 62.1273 BTC [+] {3}	[09:57]
BingoBoingo	Seriously It's a thing	[09:59]
BingoBoingo	Compare and contrase Humvee and Toyota/Nissan truck maintenance	[10:00]
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mircea_popescu	kakobrekla no, like take off the fucking threads and grease the stupid small wheel bs	[10:21]
kakobrekla	adlai, mircea_popescu , can you sit on it ?	[10:22]
mircea_popescu	a tank does 10 gallons to the mile as opposed to a truck's 10 miles to the gallon. the maintenance involved is comensurate.	[10:22]
mircea_popescu	adlai i haven't, but i had people do it, and felt sorry for them.	[10:22]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla sit on what, the tank ? sort-of. the modern shits are obnoxious. historically yes	[10:23]
adlai	mircea_popescu: i hope you didn't let that feeling show!	[10:23]
mircea_popescu	later, with the womenz.	[10:23]
mircea_popescu	that's what womenz are for amirite.	[10:23]
kakobrekla	yes, sit on the tank. great, i can sit on my phone also.	[10:23]
mircea_popescu	lol ok.	[10:23]
mircea_popescu	qed.	[10:24]
*	mircea_popescu reads the log, sees the people have basically said what he was going to say anyway, realises that he is rapidly becoming superfluous	[10:25]
mircea_popescu	PARTAY!	[10:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73500 @ 0.00057102 = 41.97 BTC [-] {2}	[10:25]
mircea_popescu	speaking of which, http://41.media.tumblr.com/349d419fa0c0de096bca20136675a677/tumblr_nxd0kzYROr1uu92gho1_1280.jpg	[10:25]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1V3nNtI )	[10:26]
BingoBoingo	Why is the mobility impaired in this ad? https://i.sli.mg/nyYJ2T.png	[10:28]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1V3o6VB )	[10:28]
asciilifeform	!s tigerfibel	[10:29]
assbot	1 results for 'tigerfibel' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tigerfibel	[10:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21130 @ 0.00057758 = 12.2043 BTC [+] {3}	[10:29]
asciilifeform	;;google tigerfibel	[10:29]
gribble	Tiger I Information Center - The Tigerfibel: ; Tigerfibel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Die "Tiger Fibel":	[10:29]
asciilifeform	^ re: tank, megaclassic	[10:30]
mircea_popescu	in other news, http://i.imgur.com/eb0cphL.webm	[10:30]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1V3ofs0 )	[10:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6070 @ 0.00057819 = 3.5096 BTC [+]	[10:30]
adlai	BingoBoingo: passive-aggressive fat shaming	[10:32]
BingoBoingo	adlai: Sad thing. Actually Ad composed in the same way jokes are.	[10:32]
BingoBoingo	Apparently Colorado Technical is Butterbeast Community College IRL https://media.licdn.com/media-proxy/ext?w=480&h=360&f=&hash=SVXh%2Fx2nSIwBC9J9NkbXHL67CMg%3D&ora=1%2CaFBCTXdkRmpGL2lvQUFBPQ%2CxAVta9Er0Vj73QIOyxEmrq2OoACm7QgQc4XjLVrnIVf9j8rYISO8L5aaJfa__h1B	[10:33]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1KFdb3W )	[10:33]
mircea_popescu	http://www.alanhamby.com/Tigerfibel/supplements.jpg << lol KWI, best doorstop tank	[10:34]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1KFdhIF )	[10:34]
shinohai	;;later tell mod6 successfully patched V per ML instructions, now v99995	[10:35]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[10:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111600 @ 0.00057825 = 64.5327 BTC [+] {4}	[10:36]
mircea_popescu	selbst moralisten und moral sind unmoralisch manches mal!	[10:39]
mircea_popescu	such a gem this thing	[10:40]
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asciilifeform	i was quite certain we had a tigerfibel thread	[10:41]
mircea_popescu	multiple. still a fucking gem.	[10:41]
asciilifeform	aha!!	[10:41]
asciilifeform	best manual for a product in history, srsly	[10:42]
mircea_popescu	could well be, yeah. was just contemplating that.	[10:42]
mircea_popescu	fucking EXACT opposite of contemporary anglo retardation, incidentally.	[10:42]
asciilifeform	aha	[10:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15336 @ 0.00057102 = 8.7572 BTC [-] {2}	[10:42]
asciilifeform	much this	[10:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53900 @ 0.0005695 = 30.6961 BTC [-]	[10:43]
mircea_popescu	fucking thing had virtually no suspensions, manual inertial starter, fucking wooden seats if memory serves...	[10:45]
mircea_popescu	no living wage fucktard loved his honda civic like this tank was loved.	[10:46]
mircea_popescu	you wanna complain about being stguck in traffic, how about being stuck in fucking rasputitza.	[10:46]
asciilifeform	34 was loved, idk re tiger	[10:46]
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*	adlai offers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanon_(2009_film) for any movie bloggers who are curious about how much tanks are loved	[10:47]
assbot	Lebanon (2009 film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1V3qjjL )	[10:47]
asciilifeform	adlai: sounds like a terrestrial version of 'das boot' !! will watch.	[10:49]
adlai	aha! yes!	[10:49]
adlai	significantly less traumatic.	[10:49]
mircea_popescu	did the t34 even have seats ?	[10:50]
asciilifeform	did	[10:50]
mircea_popescu	iirc they just suspended the crewman on anal hooks	[10:50]
asciilifeform	nah thats american cars	[10:50]
mircea_popescu	lol	[10:50]
BingoBoingo	nah thats american cars << Only after 2005 model year. Previously there was a scrotum loop to take some weight off of anal hook.	[10:52]
mircea_popescu	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEel8zOyTgc << indicated soundtrack for said fibel.	[10:52]
assbot	Mit Bomben und Granaten Marsch - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KFfiVo )	[10:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49079 @ 0.0005695 = 27.9505 BTC [-]	[11:07]
mircea_popescu	lol frau elvira gab. tiger.	[11:12]
mircea_popescu	"OK: consider a city full of Chinese people, rigorously following written	[11:14]
mircea_popescu	instructions on the handling of small (8-byte, to be concrete) amounts of	[11:14]
mircea_popescu	information in particular systematic ways. (Yes, a group of individuals	[11:14]
mircea_popescu	running round with an internal monologue which if dragged first from	[11:14]
mircea_popescu	mentalese to Cantonese and thus to English might be rendered as "I'm an	[11:14]
mircea_popescu	S-box! I'm an S-box!", "I'm an transposer! I'm a transposer!", and the like.)	[11:14]
mircea_popescu	They pass the outputs of their rule-following to designated, possibly	[11:14]
mircea_popescu	conditionally-different, individuals. Such a small city can compute DES	[11:14]
mircea_popescu	encryptions/decryptions without a semiconductor in sight.	[11:14]
mircea_popescu	And that estimable Mr Searle will explain why each of them must be shot	[11:14]
mircea_popescu	after performing their role more than a few times, as they now understand	[11:14]
mircea_popescu	not only block cipher design but the content of the encrypted message :-)	[11:14]
mircea_popescu	Cheerski, Stefek "I Was A Chinese Sex Slave" Z"	[11:14]
mircea_popescu	ahaha such a gem #2.	[11:15]
mircea_popescu	i proclaim this the morning of gems!	[11:15]
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mircea_popescu	1998-10-26 Terry Ritter: "I would hope that anyone reading Schneier's article would recognize that it is seriously flawed in many ways."	[11:16]
mircea_popescu	1998-10-27 Kery Minola: "You are really grasping at straws...."	[11:16]
mircea_popescu	1998-10-27 Xcott Craver: "!!! It's obvious that the memo did not mean 'prove' in the strict mathematical sense, but in the empirical sense."	[11:16]
mircea_popescu	1998-10-27 Douglas A. Gwyn: "The 'empirical proof' means very little since it can't allow for the eavesdropper's cryptanalytic abilities."	[11:16]
mircea_popescu	1998-10-27 Xcott Craver: "Are you suggesting that we should use something other than the scientific method?"	[11:16]
mircea_popescu	1998-10-27 W T Shaw: "To demand a single route to the truth is to prejudice against truths that may not be so conform to that path. This is the essence of what is wrong with what Bruce advocates, which is the same old tired argument we have heard for ages."	[11:16]
mircea_popescu	basicallty, the debate between accountants and scholars, started long ago, will continue forever.	[11:17]
mircea_popescu	1998-10-28 dscott@networkusa.net: "ACtually if you come up with a good cipher you will not get it tested since they try to keep the rank of phony experts quite small." lol.	[11:17]
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mircea_popescu	!up Sheepola	[11:18]
-assbot-	You voiced Sheepola for 30 minutes.	[11:18]
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mircea_popescu	1998-11-23 Stefan Axelsson: "What is needed, is some other, resilient, long lasting, redundant third party storage of references, such as a library is for printed material today."	[11:25]
mircea_popescu	funny how this entire fucking discussion is about how everyone there would really need want and desperately aspires to be in #b-a.	[11:25]
mircea_popescu	#b-a so schneier and the rest of the usg-powered nobodies get the swanson treatment ; #b-a so there's deedbot ; #b-a so everything in there comes back to it.	[11:26]
mircea_popescu	anyway, shot ritter an email, curious what comes of this.	[11:31]
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deedbot-	[Qntra] Clapper: "Internet Of Things" Offers Tempting Surveillance Opportunities - http://qntra.net/2016/02/clapper-internet-of-things-offers-tempting-surveillance-opportunities/	[11:50]
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mircea_popescu	http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-02-10.log.html#t14:28:00 << teh esteemed entomologists may be interested in that discussion.	[11:59]
assbot	#Eulora log for Wednesday, 2016-02-10 ... ( http://bit.ly/1QrkkRX )	[11:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37600 @ 0.0005773 = 21.7065 BTC [+]	[12:00]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2016#1402047 << recall the 'eternity' service	[12:48]
assbot	Logged on 10-02-2016 14:21:31; mircea_popescu: funny how this entire fucking discussion is about how everyone there would really need want and desperately aspires to be in #b-a.	[12:48]
asciilifeform	and related experiments, in the old days	[12:48]
mircea_popescu	aha	[12:49]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2016#1402049 << so far no answer from blaze	[12:49]
assbot	Logged on 10-02-2016 14:27:29; mircea_popescu: anyway, shot ritter an email, curious what comes of this.	[12:49]
*	mircea_popescu feels more and more each day roughly in the position of the guy in that one tribe that successfully unearthed pre-war tech.	[12:49]
mircea_popescu	oh, there are other tribes out there, you say ? and they have quick horses and long-lashed women, you say ? BWAHAHAHAHAA	[12:50]
mircea_popescu	glhf.	[12:50]
asciilifeform	what tech? rsa ?	[12:55]
mod6	mornin'	[12:59]
mod6	successfully patched V per ML instructions, now v99995 << cool! beat up on it, let me know if you find any probs.	[12:59]
shinohai	Because if I am useful for nothing else around here it is breaking things.	[13:00]
mod6	break it!	[13:01]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2016#1402054 << what part of this ?	[13:02]
assbot	Logged on 10-02-2016 14:54:48; mircea_popescu: http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-02-10.log.html#t14:28:00 << teh esteemed entomologists may be interested in that discussion.	[13:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35950 @ 0.0005773 = 20.7539 BTC [+]	[13:03]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform naw. the whole shebang.	[13:06]
mircea_popescu	let's be explicit here lol.	[13:07]
mircea_popescu	what tech? rsa ? << naw. the whole shebang.	[13:07]
mircea_popescu	what part of this ? << all of it.	[13:07]
mircea_popescu	and omfg cherries here are good.	[13:08]
mircea_popescu	Islamists opposed the law because "neither elected MPs nor the government has the authority to change the law because these institutions could misinterpret the word of God". <<< check it out alf, the orcs get it.	[13:08]
mircea_popescu	"no legitimacy in democracy".	[13:08]
asciilifeform	eh they just have a different pope	[13:09]
asciilifeform	naturally no other pope is welcome	[13:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35150 @ 0.00057842 = 20.3315 BTC [+] {3}	[13:10]
mircea_popescu	besides the point. the principle is still sound : there is no font of legitimacy in democracy. elected derps have no authority to change the law.	[13:11]
mircea_popescu	and interpretation is included in there.	[13:11]
asciilifeform	they also burn heretics for idolatry, all the while pilgrimaging to 'dome of the rock', etc.	[13:13]
asciilifeform	snore.	[13:13]
mircea_popescu	so ?	[13:14]
mircea_popescu	this is like saying rms also doesn't wash.	[13:14]
mircea_popescu	da fuck do i care if he does.	[13:14]
asciilifeform	well if the whole appeal of orcs is 'not yet radiation damaged'	[13:14]
mircea_popescu	i had no intention of fucking him anyway. unless he were to hire my as his hygienist, which is not something i do anyway, it;s really not my concern.	[13:14]
mircea_popescu	what appeal ? there's no appeal. they just happen to have a point.	[13:15]
mircea_popescu	kalash fires as well if triggered pulled by monkey as by man.	[13:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46700 @ 0.0005786 = 27.0206 BTC [+]	[13:15]
asciilifeform	sure does.	[13:15]
asciilifeform	what the monkey cannot do, however, is aim. much less make a kalash.	[13:15]
mircea_popescu	well, they did make the point.	[13:16]
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asciilifeform	speaking of collapse, the lulfest in michigan is interesting in light of how it is presented by volkischer beobachter	[13:17]
asciilifeform	all in terms of 'tragedy', 'oh noez, city folks are getting bottles of clean water when showing id, but illegal mexicans have no id, what sad'	[13:18]
asciilifeform	no mention, of course, of the dekulakized property owners	[13:18]
mircea_popescu	which one is this one ?	[13:18]
asciilifeform	(who are forced to keep paying for the unusable water, and may not legally sell the house)	[13:18]
asciilifeform	flint, mi.	[13:18]
mircea_popescu	oh oh	[13:18]
asciilifeform	usa.	[13:18]
mod6	any one have any strong feelings on googletest & googlemock as a comprehensive testing framework for trb ?	[13:19]
asciilifeform	mod6: nfi. what even is this	[13:19]
asciilifeform	i thought we had 313337 perl scriptz or somesuch, for test	[13:19]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i don't understand this, so flint been using lead pipes like... all places ever. what is the issue ?	[13:20]
mod6	well, i built some automated tests in cucumber/perl for V. but i'm saying for bitcoind itself.	[13:20]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: iirc it wasn't only lead, but various bacteria, obvious stink, every possible 'don't even wash your hands with this, much less drink' indicator imaginable	[13:20]
mod6	and it has a mock framework that can be utilized as well, and this could be really powerful.	[13:20]
mircea_popescu	ah	[13:20]
asciilifeform	so what i was thinking is,	[13:20]
mircea_popescu	mod6 im unfamiliar. is it a cloud service thing ?	[13:21]
asciilifeform	usg and local microusglets have no intention of collecting any less tax as infrastructure vanishes	[13:21]
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mircea_popescu	or anyway, try and explain as best as possible the externalities here ?	[13:21]
mod6	i might have to go on a wild goose chase with this some time, post release when I have more time.	[13:21]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform doh. tax is set by the cattle ability to pay, nothing else. same tax is collected in new york and bahrein or w/e.	[13:21]
asciilifeform	aha	[13:21]
asciilifeform	whereas there is a widespread delusion in usa, that tax is somehow payment for services rendered	[13:22]
mod6	mircea_popescu: https://github.com/google/googletest	[13:22]
assbot	GitHub - google/googletest: Google Test ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sgg51s )	[13:22]
asciilifeform	the flint thing is an elegant illustration of reality, re: this.	[13:22]
asciilifeform	they are degenerating literally to the level of inca palace economy	[13:23]
asciilifeform	show up at city hall, get drinkable water. if not, not.	[13:23]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform part of the democratic lie. that "tax is payment" , that "law is agreement", that "authority is legitimate" etc.	[13:23]
mircea_popescu	they all flow in the same manner.	[13:23]
mod6	anyway, boost has its own unit testing abilities, which is what the current test are built with -- the allure of a mock framework here though, could be helpful.	[13:23]
asciilifeform	aha	[13:23]
mircea_popescu	mod6 i will confes i am prejudiced against it just for having google in its name.	[13:24]
asciilifeform	^	[13:24]
mircea_popescu	which is probably the contrary result to what they intended.	[13:24]
mod6	ok.	[13:24]
mircea_popescu	so basically it's a c++ test framework.	[13:25]
mircea_popescu	could be useful.	[13:25]
mod6	what if there was a different mock framework that wasn't	[13:25]
mircea_popescu	mod6 understand, i'm not going to necessarily act on my prejudices. just being upfront.	[13:25]
mod6	sure.	[13:25]
mod6	anyway, this is all food for thought; planting a seed. we'll have to revisit this later.	[13:25]
mircea_popescu	In addition to many internal projects at Google, Google Test is also used by the following notable projects: The Chromium projects (behind the Chrome browser and Chrome OS). The LLVM compiler. Protocol Buffers, Google's data interchange format. The OpenCV computer vision library.	[13:25]
mircea_popescu	so basically, it IS definitionally better than the boost suite.	[13:26]
mircea_popescu	"Linux Requirements These are the base requirements to build and use Google Test from a source package (as described below):	[13:26]
mircea_popescu	GNU-compatible Make or gmake POSIX-standard shell POSIX(-2) Regular Expressions (regex.h) A C++98-standard-compliant compiler"	[13:26]
mircea_popescu	i dun see a problem there.	[13:26]
mircea_popescu	diana_coman you have any idea re this thing ?	[13:26]
asciilifeform	why is this needed, again ?	[13:27]
mod6	we were just discussing it re eulora.	[13:27]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform tests are the best thing there is.	[13:27]
mod6	i wasn't too clued on C++ testing frameworks. but mockito is pretty helpful with stuff, so something similar in C++ space would be nice.	[13:27]
mircea_popescu	tests are actually better than code.	[13:27]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: mno. not-making-bugs is the best thing there is.	[13:28]
asciilifeform	with corrections 2nd best	[13:28]
mircea_popescu	thats a thing that isn't.	[13:28]
asciilifeform	testing - 100th place.	[13:28]
asciilifeform	aha.	[13:28]
mircea_popescu	let's not mix categories.	[13:28]
mod6	so to that point, it is nice to run a regression suite when any changes are made.	[13:29]
mircea_popescu	mod6 the principle is sound. i have nfi as to the choice, but the principle is sound.	[13:29]
mod6	ok, thanks to you both. sorry for the diversion here, we can discuss in the future.	[13:30]
asciilifeform	one tricky bit is that trb is a ~system~	[13:30]
asciilifeform	and much of the undesired behaviour we've seen so far occurs only as part of the system	[13:30]
asciilifeform	rather than malfunction/misdesign of any particular component	[13:30]
mircea_popescu	quite, yes.	[13:30]
asciilifeform	and moreover, it cannot be tested meaningfully except in live fire	[13:30]
mircea_popescu	you can not know what can be tested meaningfully until after you have done so.	[13:31]
asciilifeform	i've experimented with tcp replay for testing	[13:31]
asciilifeform	this might be a productive approach for trb	[13:31]
mircea_popescu	the problem is "meaningfully" is a very slippery term. shit can be quite meaningful to humans.	[13:31]
asciilifeform	(you simulate, approximately, a few hours of planet)	[13:31]
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punkman	some smaller test libs perhaps https://github.com/evolutional/utest https://github.com/mity/cutest	[13:33]
assbot	GitHub - evolutional/utest: An ultra-lightweight, micro unit test framework for C99 presented as a single-header ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sgi6eb )	[13:33]
assbot	GitHub - mity/cutest: Simple (single header) C/C++ unit testing facility. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sgi8mj )	[13:33]
mircea_popescu	i suspect it's actually better to pick a one thing and get everyone to use that.	[13:33]
diana_coman	mircea_popescu, I asked mod6 if he knew of some good testing tools for cpp as I am not up to date with the landscape on that for cpp	[13:33]
mircea_popescu	ah k	[13:33]
mircea_popescu	i thought you suggested it maybe.	[13:34]
mod6	diana_coman had one in mind that was super lightweight, looked ok for doing assertions.	[13:35]
mod6	just started diving into what's out there for C++ that has a bit more meat to it.	[13:35]
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mod6	i think i'll have to drive out a poc of one of these frameworks at some point. not now though, too much other stuff to get done first.	[13:36]
mircea_popescu	it's a reasonable thing for the short to mid term.	[13:36]
mircea_popescu	having a trb-test suite is a good move, because even if dissidence is a b-a tradition, nevertheless it allows a common basis to make communication useful.	[13:37]
diana_coman	fwiw the google thing looked all right to me re features, but I wasn't too sure re who made it, lol	[13:37]
diana_coman	need to look into it more	[13:37]
mircea_popescu	i suspect the llvm crew.	[13:38]
mircea_popescu	prolly grew out of their buffers thing.	[13:38]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: the other little boojum is that we don't actually know a known-good output for most of the thing.	[13:38]
asciilifeform	nor what failures to test for.	[13:38]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform yes, but this is not a counterarghumnet, on the contrary. testing suite may help there too.	[13:38]
mod6	the adventure must begin somewhere :]	[13:38]
asciilifeform	incidentally, here is a very painful test i've contemplated	[13:39]
asciilifeform	on an isolated lan, place trb nodes, and break all known blocks into tx,	[13:39]
asciilifeform	then let them get re-mined	[13:39]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha these fuctards. moved water intake from lake to river with no further precautions, on old lead lines! HOLY SHIT. there is extant roman text as to the idiocy of this move.	[13:40]
mircea_popescu	this is utterly what the dawn of civilisaiton looks like. next, nobody could have predicted pissing on the electric fence.	[13:41]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform this is actually not something that can be done anymore i fear. mining criteria changed ~3 times	[13:41]
asciilifeform	phun phakt - coastal usaschwitz inmates regard the inlands as 'flyover', a sort of built-in zimbabwe, and give very little fuck re: what happens there	[13:42]
mircea_popescu	"A class-action lawsuit alleges the state Department of Environmental Quality didn't treat the water for corrosion, in accordance with federal law, and because so many service lines to Flint are made of lead, the noxious element leached into the water of the city's homes."	[13:42]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: ah and precisely the point, i would like to learn ~what~ cannot be done any more	[13:42]
mircea_popescu	bejesus.	[13:42]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform everything can still be done. the poiint is that a hole large enough to fit the earlier blocks will result in a hole too large today, that'd admit things that won't get mined.	[13:43]
mircea_popescu	the thread narrowed.	[13:43]
asciilifeform	how would it admit anything other than the test tx pool made from smashed real-world blocks ?	[13:44]
asciilifeform	which are known to have been mined in reality	[13:44]
mircea_popescu	der, s-high, there's a list.	[13:45]
mircea_popescu	the fact that they were mined in the past is no guarantee they would be mined today	[13:45]
asciilifeform	now this is true	[13:49]
asciilifeform	but in point of fact, miners being retarded does not mean the protocol has changed.	[13:49]
mircea_popescu	sure. but tests are tests.	[13:49]
mircea_popescu	in lighter news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0virzKZzY1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg	[13:52]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/20VHUO9 )	[13:52]
mircea_popescu	"It isn't easy to build a large general-purpose quantum computer, but many people publicly working on it seem to think that they'll be successful next decade. Maybe there will be serious obstacles that slow down or stop this success, but there's clearly a serious risk to RSA and ECC, and it isn't sensible risk management to pretend that the problem doesn't exist."	[13:55]
mircea_popescu	fucking bullshit omfg. i am not PRETENDING the problem doesn't exist. the problem does factually not exist.	[13:56]
mircea_popescu	what fucking problem ?	[13:56]
mircea_popescu	MIT idiots were going to be successful next decade every decade since 1950. then "winter" "happened" because totally.	[13:56]
mircea_popescu	and they'll have the unmitigated audacity to call it "the quantum winter" as opposed to "the just desserts after a decade of fraudulent pseudoscientific claims" and/or "what happens when ponzi schemes deflate"	[13:57]
mircea_popescu	i expect there's going to be a "climatology winter" too starting next year, as opposed to "we lied for pay and after that the employer had no further use of lying pseudoscientists".	[13:58]
asciilifeform	already started, no ?	[13:58]
asciilifeform	(per yesterday's log)	[13:58]
mircea_popescu	"Lattice-based cryptography is another important candidate for post-quantum public-key cryptography, and is the main topic of this blog post. The main practical reason to consider lattice-based encryption rather than code-based encryption is that lattice-based systems advertise much smaller public keys." << WRONG.	[13:58]
mircea_popescu	small public key = you lose. small block = you lose. quickly computable = you lose.	[13:59]
mircea_popescu	get with the motherfucking program, bunch of snake oil salesmen.	[13:59]
asciilifeform	plus the whole climatology thing was a misguided excercise - the reich for some reason thought people would happily deindustrialize and starve out of religious fervor, but then understood that bayonet is good enough	[13:59]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform quite yes	[13:59]
mircea_popescu	neither fervor nor bayonet. "people", if you can call english speakers that, will industrialize as they do : out of pompous laziness. that's how it always goes.	[14:00]
mircea_popescu	what color lipstick you put on that pig - vanitas vanitatum.	[14:00]
asciilifeform	deindustrialize.	[14:00]
mircea_popescu	industrialization is driven on the backs of starving slave/iobagi, and deindustrialization is driven by lazy, entitled idiots.	[14:00]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform yeah it's what i meant.	[14:01]
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mircea_popescu	exact equivalent of the anabolic/catabolic processes in the human body. if there aren't people falling over in the street out of sheer hunger as an unremarkable phenomenon, there's no industrialization afoot. if there aren't any "self-betterment" dudes moving about, there's no dezindustrialization occurring.	[14:02]
mircea_popescu	re other thread : the only point of interest in lattice stuff would be homomorphisms. which don't work yet.	[14:03]
asciilifeform	actually mega-nonsecret, it sorta does work	[14:04]
asciilifeform	i have it right here at rupture farms	[14:04]
asciilifeform	not ~UNIVERSAL~, and provably	[14:04]
asciilifeform	but for 'certain values of works' - worx.	[14:04]
mircea_popescu	well kinda what i mean by doesn't work : "works for some values of work"	[14:05]
mircea_popescu	if i meant does not work at all i would make no mention whatever.	[14:05]
asciilifeform	it is provably not doable for arbitrary turing tape.	[14:09]
asciilifeform	back to earlier's thread, i am willing to pascal's wager on shor's algo SO LONG AS it costs me nothing.	[14:10]
asciilifeform	possibly unlike mircea_popescu	[14:10]
mircea_popescu	even going under that : afaik not yet usable in crypto	[14:10]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform things may cost you nothing, that is your privilege. things always cost me something, because of my peculiar relationship with the fucking future.	[14:10]
asciilifeform	what does using multiple SANELY INDEPENDENT cipherators cost mircea_popescu ?	[14:12]
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mircea_popescu	alowing the possibility that this scam is actually worth taking seriously costs the people who follow what i say whatever it may cost them.	[14:12]
asciilifeform	srsly, if there is one mega-lesson mircea_popescu taught me, it is that by DEMANDING sanity, you will get it	[14:12]
mircea_popescu	works for pussy, also.	[14:12]
mircea_popescu	the two are much closelier related than people generally wish to accept.	[14:13]
asciilifeform	incidentally, to pick up a thread from last night, one useful lemma re: chaining is,	[14:13]
asciilifeform	have multiple branches of possible inner cipher at every level	[14:13]
asciilifeform	enemy does not know which follows.	[14:13]
mircea_popescu	yes. always large block to small ; always few to many options.	[14:14]
mircea_popescu	branch it out like a tree.	[14:14]
asciilifeform	aha!	[14:14]
mircea_popescu	(this reduces to what the idiots do with their s boxes incidentally)	[14:14]
mircea_popescu	if a very ugly degenerate form.	[14:14]
asciilifeform	this is really a specificity-of-diddling theorem application.	[14:14]
mircea_popescu	aha	[14:14]
asciilifeform	eliminate things enemy may rely on.	[14:14]
mircea_popescu	so as you can no doubt follow, asciilifeform from the political considerations discussed it follows that while i don't allow for the possibility of "quantum computer", i don't disallow your implementing a scheme which would be deemed (by idiots) as "quantum resistant".	[14:15]
mircea_popescu	check out how complicated things get.	[14:16]
asciilifeform	aha!	[14:17]
asciilifeform	i can even see the dirigle algebra involved here !	[14:18]
asciilifeform	*dirigible	[14:18]
asciilifeform	see wat happens when earth bloke hangs out with martians long enough.	[14:18]
mircea_popescu	lol	[14:21]
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mircea_popescu	in other dirigible news, http://36.media.tumblr.com/ef5d53d5243383f25be482de122f3ffd/tumblr_nrg247qho71uu92gho1_1280.jpg	[14:45]
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BingoBoingo	;;later tell danielpbarron improving	[15:29]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[15:29]
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mircea_popescu	and in random lulz, http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-02-10/want-your-own-version-of-bitcoin-hire-this-guy	[16:07]
assbot	Want Your Own Version of Bitcoin? Hire This Guy - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1WeCNp9 )	[16:07]
mircea_popescu	apparently it's "one of about 20" nao.	[16:07]
mircea_popescu	whereas in "tardstalk produces mp-wannabe #5476576985" news, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1358960	[16:09]
assbot	Reddit Censors Bitcoin 2.0 ... ( http://bit.ly/1WeD23w )	[16:09]
asciilifeform	is his name Sed ?	[16:10]
asciilifeform	'hire this guy'	[16:11]
mircea_popescu	sed the hirethisguy.	[16:11]
asciilifeform	3-5k per chump per mo. for doing jack shit?	[16:13]
asciilifeform	not bad	[16:13]
mircea_popescu	fiat money tho, not terribly useful.	[16:14]
asciilifeform	just 1 of these is enough to stay in roquefort and orc-free street	[16:15]
asciilifeform	useful enough.	[16:15]
asciilifeform	it won't buy a dirigible, no	[16:15]
BingoBoingo	from mp 2.0 link http://aeonisuniverse.tumblr.com/post/80638840931/rachael-chapter-1	[16:16]
assbot	Alpha Aeonis — Rachael - Chapter 1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1WeDA9r )	[16:16]
asciilifeform	'I have been involved in Bitcoin since before the "Mt. Gox Fast Pay" thread that produced Bitinstant. My law cases make me the bearer of Bitcoin 2.0 no matter what. Bitcoin 2.0 is simply my daemon forked from a sued Ripple Labs qualified as an invention with features added and the Bitcoin upgrade address 1J7CAm6bavGcG52xgobn8n9ScnAzH8JZUm - I have pledged to drain the exchanges until exchange	[16:17]
asciilifeform	rate is zero across currencies and issue Bitcoin 2.0 based on incoming bitcoin and signatures made by participating addresses. This means the issuance honors mining until the end of bitcoin and can be more than total bitcoin present. I suspect 1 BTC 2.0 will have the spending power of 1 USD current by issuance. My pedigree.'	[16:17]
asciilifeform	^ gold	[16:17]
mircea_popescu	pretty good yea	[16:20]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: http://www.ciphersbyritter.com/GLOSSARY.HTM#MultipleEncryption << re multi-cipher	[16:20]
assbot	Ritter's Crypto Glossary and Dictionary of Technical Cryptography ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q9fzCq )	[16:21]
asciilifeform	scroll to 'deceptive article'	[16:21]
mircea_popescu	"Since most conventional block ciphers are in fact product ciphers, they testify to the worth of multiple encryption, even with weak internal ciphering functions."	[16:21]
mircea_popescu	exactly what we were saying above re s boxes	[16:21]
asciilifeform	aha.	[16:21]
asciilifeform	but i'm blown away by the maurer & massey thing	[16:22]
asciilifeform	ftp://ftp.inf.ethz.ch/pub/crypto/publications/MauMas93a.pdf << found it.	[16:22]
mircea_popescu	i dunno that that particular item informs anything.	[16:22]
mircea_popescu	i for instance had never read it / wouldn't care to now.	[16:23]
asciilifeform	psychiatric, not mathematical.	[16:23]
asciilifeform	strictly for entomologists !	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	yeah but dunno.	[16:23]
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asciilifeform	the paper is pretty tame, actually	[16:30]
asciilifeform	not sure why he picked it up as disinfo	[16:30]
mircea_popescu	no idea.	[16:31]
asciilifeform	arrives at howlingly obvious conclusion.	[16:31]
asciilifeform	(incidentally, the problem of an inner cipher introducing known-plaintextisms is solved routinely by splitting the payload into xor-able halves, using rng, and enciphering each ~half~ with different cipher, rather than box-in-box composition)	[16:33]
asciilifeform	^ in this case, enemy actually must break both ciphers ~independently~	[16:34]
asciilifeform	he cannot use knownplaintextisms created by one, to help in the other	[16:34]
mircea_popescu	there are some schemes which, if the result is split, lose strength	[16:35]
asciilifeform	not by xor	[16:35]
asciilifeform	again the motherfucking xor lemma	[16:35]
asciilifeform	so hard to grasp ?	[16:35]
mircea_popescu	haha	[16:36]
asciilifeform	if i give you one half of a xor pair, it tells you ~nothing~ about the plaintext...	[16:36]
asciilifeform	and you can use shamir's split algo for n>2	[16:36]
asciilifeform	if you want >2 pieces.	[16:36]
mircea_popescu	i misread the split.	[16:36]
asciilifeform	ah	[16:36]
asciilifeform	what this gambit ~does~ cost, is weight	[16:36]
asciilifeform	you get 2x the ciphertext bitz.	[16:36]
mircea_popescu	look at the usual case : we exchange 1kb messages.	[16:37]
asciilifeform	plus whatever overhead from the individual cipherators.	[16:37]
mircea_popescu	if the increase is 100x this impacts nothing	[16:37]
mircea_popescu	similarly with the key. so large key can't be sent over the wire. bwahahahaha mkay.	[16:37]
mircea_popescu	(for the future, the ~ONLY way to get a key would be to ask trusted third party for it. such as hey x you know y ? send me his key!)	[16:38]
mircea_popescu	just like with chicks and their phone numbers.	[16:38]
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asciilifeform	this is harmless, but to rely on the enemy having difficulty getting your pubkey is lunacy	[16:40]
mircea_popescu	not at all.	[16:40]
mircea_popescu	merely, that the "key over the wire in the jungle" aspect need not be accounted for.	[16:40]
asciilifeform	ah this - yes	[16:40]
mircea_popescu	getting rid of one of the most idiotic constraints people-who-are-not-me put on cipher design	[16:41]
asciilifeform	even with ip-over-dead-goat, 1MB key is what, a few min.	[16:41]
mircea_popescu	quite. now 1mb IS probably too large to be useful (unless actual mathematical need/benefit for it is shown)	[16:41]
mircea_popescu	but kbytes, puhleaze./	[16:41]
mircea_popescu	so i have to leave pc overnight / rng on for ten minutes to make a key ? big whoop, i make a key a year if that, and i'm an intensive user.	[16:42]
asciilifeform	one demonstrable benefit is that it multiplies the cost of brute force.	[16:42]
asciilifeform	pretty much for free.	[16:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.QNTR] 48900 @ 0.00039598 = 19.3634 BTC [+]	[16:45]
asciilifeform	incidentally, imho mircea_popescu could write a splendid article about the xor lemma.	[16:49]
asciilifeform	and in the process, grasp it fully...	[16:49]
mircea_popescu	eh there is no grasping fully.	[16:49]
asciilifeform	how's that	[16:50]
mircea_popescu	just like that, of the crooked timber and all that.	[16:52]
asciilifeform	for whatever timber - arithmetic is the straightest saw we've got.	[16:54]
mircea_popescu	yes but i'm not in the business of carpentry.	[16:56]
asciilifeform	xor lemma is probably the closest thing we have to a fundamental theorem in crypto	[16:57]
asciilifeform	and i admit, i would greatly enjoy reading a mircea_popescu piece on same.	[16:57]
mircea_popescu	that's actually true huh	[16:57]
asciilifeform	aha.	[16:57]
*	mircea_popescu looks forward to a time when say berman's is a fundamental theorem in crypto	[16:58]
jurov	not sure it's even a crypto invention. noisy channel theory says basically the same (think channel with 50% bit flip noise)	[17:00]
asciilifeform	phun phakt, kotelnikov proved a good chunk of shannon, ~before~ shannon.	[17:01]
asciilifeform	during ww2 in fact.	[17:01]
mircea_popescu	jurov doesn't have to be invented in crypto to be fundamental for crypto	[17:05]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 'if a unary language	[17:08]
asciilifeform	is NP-complete then P = NP'	[17:08]
asciilifeform	?	[17:08]
mircea_popescu	mno ?	[17:08]
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mircea_popescu	did i say that somewhere ?	[17:09]
asciilifeform	berman's theorem	[17:09]
mircea_popescu	nono	[17:09]
mircea_popescu	!s real first order	[17:10]
assbot	1 results for 'real first order' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=real+first+order	[17:10]
mircea_popescu	there.	[17:10]
asciilifeform	expand on this ?	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0747717188800038 << as per.	[17:13]
assbot	The complexity of linear problems in fields ... ( http://bit.ly/1SIPQBh )	[17:13]
mircea_popescu	basically showing that a+b < c is true or false for a, b, c in R is a harder-than-NP problem.	[17:14]
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asciilifeform	'Sorry, your request could not be processed because the format of the URL was incorrect. Contact the Help Desk if the problem persists. [SD-001]' << l0l	[17:16]
mircea_popescu	sigh.	[17:16]
mircea_popescu	anyway, get his guy stuff from library, if can't be web'd (i spent a little trying to dig that one up).	[17:16]
mircea_popescu	did a lot of work on an interesting if oft neglected part of hardness / pressburger arithmetic etc.	[17:17]
asciilifeform	found it	[17:17]
asciilifeform	mega-backbreaker	[17:17]
mircea_popescu	(unlike peano, presburger is actually decidable. but it has no multiplication.	[17:18]
asciilifeform	i wil eat six airplanes before i go through this proof.	[17:18]
mircea_popescu	however - that decidability has a cost, and the cost is > exponential.	[17:19]
mircea_popescu	as a curio - this was a very promising field just about the time of mit ai being a very promising field	[17:19]
mircea_popescu	just like it - ALSO disappeared with virtually no trace.	[17:19]
mircea_popescu	the why and wherefore be left for students from the future.	[17:20]
asciilifeform	ww2 killed it.	[17:20]
asciilifeform	approximately.	[17:20]
mircea_popescu	this is 60s-70s and a little 80s.	[17:20]
asciilifeform	ah, i was thinking of Schönfinkel et al	[17:20]
mircea_popescu	no different bloom, this.	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	actually : the cost is shown to be double-exponential. fischer & rabin 1974.	[17:22]
mircea_popescu	http://www.lcs.mit.edu/publications/pubs/ps/MIT-LCS-TM-043.ps	[17:22]
asciilifeform	if this, it rose and fell with the career of s. cook.	[17:22]
asciilifeform	but yes, it is all now buried beneath many layers of sediment.	[17:23]
asciilifeform	we can dig up a little, but it is a bit like digging pompei	[17:24]
mircea_popescu	i originally gave it as an example to stand pro toto for a larger set. specifically - that hunting the p = np thing is a waste of time, when there are in point of fact items known to be harder than np.	[17:24]
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mircea_popescu	but yes, expect all such items to be buried in well - curated burial pits.	[17:24]
mircea_popescu	for the obvious reasons.	[17:24]
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asciilifeform	(most elementarily - tricks involving time travel)	[17:27]
mircea_popescu	hm ?	[17:32]
asciilifeform	or everett's solution !	[17:32]
asciilifeform	(by some accounts - he USED it! )	[17:33]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[17:33]
asciilifeform	l0l mircea_popescu knows what it was.	[17:33]
asciilifeform	or hm, was it his daughter who did.	[17:34]
asciilifeform	(for n00bz: pistol is connected to a recognizer box, shoots you in the head in all universes where rng did not shit out the solution)	[17:34]
mircea_popescu	i suppose h. everett is the foundational lemma of sf.	[17:34]
mircea_popescu	"multiverses" and all that.	[17:35]
asciilifeform	in a way, we all use everett's device every day.	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	in the same way, we also go to bed with the empress-consort of china every night.	[17:35]
asciilifeform	the retarded, careless, or otherwise incapacitated versions of mircea_popescu and asciilifeform are not here.	[17:36]
mircea_popescu	!s from:mircea "i don't care"	[17:36]
assbot	69 results for 'from:mircea "i don't care"' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Amircea+%22i+don%27t+care%22	[17:36]
mircea_popescu	69 begs to differ.	[17:36]
mircea_popescu	http://www.philipp.ruemmer.org/princess.shtml << perhaps interesting re presburger	[17:37]
assbot	Princess ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qs17Q3 )	[17:37]
asciilifeform	spiffy, now if only it weren't javatronic	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	source provided.	[17:38]
asciilifeform	yeah let's somebody translate from the cuneiform.	[17:39]
mircea_popescu	iirc, eu was spending some decent money on a derivative to evaluate safety of embedded systems	[17:39]
asciilifeform	the mega-champ is acl2.	[17:39]
asciilifeform	!s acl2	[17:39]
assbot	3 results for 'acl2' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=acl2	[17:39]
*	asciilifeform has the b00k, and the worked-examples one	[17:39]
asciilifeform	used at, e.g., amd, to prove the correctness of their alu.	[17:40]
asciilifeform	(after the intel debacle)	[17:40]
mircea_popescu	http://www.cesarproject.eu/ there we go. "To maintain the European leading edge position in the transportation as well as automation market, CESAR aims to boost cost efficiency of embedded systems development and safety and certification processes by an order of magnitude."	[17:40]
assbot	Home ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qs1udB )	[17:40]
asciilifeform	cute. the same folks as did the block cipher contest	[17:41]
asciilifeform	(how did that end?)	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	mmm.	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	"a contest of which nothing is known but the name", i guess.	[17:41]
asciilifeform	mno?	[17:42]
asciilifeform	https://competitions.cr.yp.to/caesar.html	[17:42]
assbot	Crypto competitions:	[17:42]
asciilifeform	e.g., https://competitions.cr.yp.to/caesar-submissions.html	[17:42]
assbot	Crypto competitions:	[17:42]
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mircea_popescu	M18, 2015.09.28–29: DIAC 2015: Directions in Authenticated Ciphers 2015. Singapore.	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	TBA: Deadline for Verilog/VHDL.	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	TBA: Announcement of third-round candidates.	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	mmkay ?	[17:42]
asciilifeform	not over yet?	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	i guess the correct answe is "not ended yet"	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	right.	[17:43]
asciilifeform	https://competitions.cr.yp.to/disasters.html << lulzy	[17:44]
assbot	Crypto competitions:	[17:44]
mircea_popescu	getting back to the yurpean news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/9ceab92925686acf64f20918a67aa6d8/tumblr_npr78ccRwA1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg	[17:44]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Td7gpv )	[17:44]
mircea_popescu	There is an extensive, and apparently never-ending, literature on "lightweight identification protocols" such as HB, HB+, HB++, HB-MP, HB*, Trusted-HB, and HBsharp. Each of these protocols was broken within one year of being proposed. Note that any authenticated cipher can trivially be used for identification: the challenger sends a random message; the prover sends back the same message, authenticated.	[17:47]
mircea_popescu	loller.	[17:47]
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asciilifeform	!up Conflict	[17:48]
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shinohai	https://medium.com/@ItsJoshProbably/why-8chan-will-not-be-getting-infinity-next-d8116d162c7#.16hdhdhnv	[17:48]
assbot	Why 8chan will not be getting Infinity Next. — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1Td7CMQ )	[17:48]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: recall the crapple power cable thread? device makers want 'authenticator' in every candy wrapper. and so are drawn to crackpot 'ten transistors!1111' auth schemes like moths to flames	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	it's lulzy how shitthy these are.	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	i guess someone should make a three-mosfet hash function. just spit out the 1/f pink.	[17:51]
asciilifeform	the schmuck peddling group-theoretical crypto firm at 'shmoocon' wanted auth chips in pills	[17:51]
mircea_popescu	"hashing - works ; reproducibility - not yet. BUT IT IS UNBREAKABLE!"	[17:51]
asciilifeform	l0l!	[17:51]
asciilifeform	spreadingworks!	[17:51]
mircea_popescu	copypaste ^	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	ah by now two days old. i guess stale huh.	[17:53]
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mircea_popescu	chanz dramas.	[17:54]
asciilifeform	the other mega-nonsecret,	[17:55]
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asciilifeform	usg ~really~ wants non-clonable, non-spoofable cheap rfid	[17:55]
asciilifeform	to spread everywhere	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	gotta track 'em goats.	[17:55]
asciilifeform	'smart dust' etc.	[17:55]
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asciilifeform	track every used napkin.	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	but yes. however, unfortunately for them, this is a very hard problem.	[17:55]
copypaste	mircea_popescu: yes already stale	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	anything good in there ?	[17:56]
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asciilifeform	phun phakt, many (most?) auto tyres already infested with (ordinary) rfid	[17:58]
asciilifeform	plain old serial # transponder.	[17:58]
mircea_popescu	that's actually a very close solution. about as good as it gets in terms of your dream "sunken bubbles in the ocean"	[18:00]
mircea_popescu	costs more to cut the tyre and replace or make a replacement than it costs to let it be.	[18:00]
shinohai	copypaste: was very much a tl;dr	[18:01]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: you can burn them remotely	[18:01]
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asciilifeform	elementary.	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	!up PierreDe	[18:02]
-assbot-	You voiced PierreDe for 30 minutes.	[18:02]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform well yes but then won't have one.	[18:02]
asciilifeform	will - once you inject new one	[18:02]
asciilifeform	hence why they want micro-authenticator.	[18:02]
asciilifeform	right now you can trivially make replacement chip with arbitrary #	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	i suppose once people get serious about it, it could be made to cost less than the tyre.	[18:03]
asciilifeform	also the things cost about a dime now	[18:03]
asciilifeform	which means only a handful per tyre	[18:03]
asciilifeform	if they were smaller...	[18:03]
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mircea_popescu	"I understand a business has to make money. 8chan needs to make money to survive, but making money and being open source is not mutually exclusive. Lots of sites do it, including reddit, one of the biggest sites on the Internet today."	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	ajhaha what the fuck is wrong with these retards.	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	"emperor palpatine" and "reddit, one of the blabla". 1) reddit is shit ; 2) reddit never made any fucking money.	[18:10]
asciilifeform	is open source ? wut?	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	i dunno that i'd eat salami made out of kids today.	[18:11]
asciilifeform	where do i read the vote fudge algo ?	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	i have nfi what they're drinking, but there's this cloud of pointedly useless 20somethings floating around in this lalaland of delusional thinking the likes of which has not been seen ever since the turks wore the byzantine "aristocratic" kids as cock decorations five centuries ago.	[18:12]
asciilifeform	and there wasn't, in '93 ?	[18:13]
mircea_popescu	reddit makes money and is important, star wars is an acceptable font of comparisons, "exaggeration" in the sense of cracked.com retardation is an acceptable stylistic maneuver, and the list just goes on and on.	[18:13]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform no dude. 20yo in '93 was fucking afraid of getting a beatdown.	[18:13]
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mircea_popescu	these delusioanl urchins are so used to seeing themselves as a sort of neo-in-matrix that it just doesn't compute.	[18:14]
asciilifeform	eternal september looks much the same now as then	[18:14]
asciilifeform	what really changed is the lack of reference.	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	to my eyes, sept 93 looks like the flu as compared to this bubonic leprosy varicella.	[18:15]
asciilifeform	in '93 there ~were~ functioning industries that set a standard for wrangling physical reality.	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[18:15]
asciilifeform	whereas today 'vc billionaire'	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	but this is important! these shitheads are ENTIRELY self referential now.	[18:15]
asciilifeform	aha.	[18:15]
asciilifeform	arse-mouth.	[18:16]
asciilifeform	best restaurant is a hose!111	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	i think as the collapse advances, i will be very hard pressed to resist the temptation to take a trip over to sf and just serb the fucking place.	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	go door to door, beat all males to death, rape all females, load them up in trucks and ship them to fucking bahrein. what the everliving fuck, these people should not live.	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	i had no idea genocide could be so intellectually appealing.	[18:18]
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mircea_popescu	but hey, "i guess now you know how the ''syrian refugees'' feel".	[18:19]
asciilifeform	i thought they felt 'hey, free shit'	[18:20]
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mircea_popescu	mno.	[18:20]
mircea_popescu	i think it's a lot more like "look, befouled real estate"	[18:20]
mircea_popescu	"copper sulphate and planks with nails, clean this shit out"	[18:21]
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asciilifeform	the 'cleaners' are 100% catabolic.	[18:22]
asciilifeform	left alone, they could not make even a goat.	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	the cleaners are how you even have the word algorithm.	[18:22]
asciilifeform	ahaha l0l no.	[18:22]
asciilifeform	no more than modern egypt built the pyramids.	[18:23]
mircea_popescu	well i guess this point shall be verified in practice huh.	[18:23]
mircea_popescu	there's no stopping the cleansing, i dun think.	[18:23]
asciilifeform	limonov understood in '92	[18:23]
asciilifeform	the western mental asylum can do many things to many people, but cannot make them ~want to live~	[18:24]
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asciilifeform	even orwell in '43 essay understood why, e.g., hitler is appealing vs the insipid fossil civilization orwell inhabited	[18:25]
asciilifeform	and germany was an only slightly better-looking horse at that glue factory, even.	[18:25]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: hey what's all the rumour of a euro resistance movement ? disinfo ?	[18:27]
asciilifeform	wishful thinking ?	[18:27]
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danielpbarron	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CapAL87WIAA6k9M.jpg:large << cargocult othernews	[18:38]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/20McD3q )	[18:38]
mircea_popescu	no idea.	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	but as best i can discern, any sort of "resistance movement" would be in the sense of "we'll do the raping and pillaging ourselves, who are these foreign derps" rather than "we'll defend the shithole".	[18:43]
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mircea_popescu	so only very technically a "resistance", more like a first-to-kick-the-loser competition.	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron wassat ?	[18:44]
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danielpbarron	idk i found it on twatter	[18:48]
mircea_popescu	looks like some sort of "happening" or w/e.	[18:48]
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deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump to win South Carolina Republican Primary - http://bitbet.us/bet/1244/donald-trump-to-win-south-carolina-republican-primary/#b20	[19:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103518 @ 0.00056368 = 58.351 BTC [+] {4}	[19:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24282 @ 0.00057174 = 13.883 BTC [+]	[19:41]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16952 @ 0.0005716 = 9.6898 BTC [+]	[20:00]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16216 @ 0.00057586 = 9.3381 BTC [+]	[20:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38620 @ 0.00057771 = 22.3112 BTC [+]	[20:21]
deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bernie Sanders will be Democrats' 2016 Presidential Nominee - http://bitbet.us/bet/1242/bernie-sanders-will-be-democrats-2016-presidential-nominee/#b19	[20:24]
deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump to win South Carolina Republican Primary - http://bitbet.us/bet/1244/donald-trump-to-win-south-carolina-republican-primary/#b21	[20:24]
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mircea_popescu	http://archive.is/us0sd#selection-1883.0-1885.0 << hearnia lolz.	[20:45]
assbot	What Roger Ver thinks about Theymos? ... ( http://bit.ly/1KGmQHo )	[20:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38900 @ 0.00057332 = 22.3021 BTC [-] {2}	[20:49]
shinohai	keks	[20:52]
shinohai	What's Roger Ver doing on bitcointalk anyway since he built his own forum to be a beacon of free speech?	[20:53]
mircea_popescu	nobody cared and he's a drama queen ?	[20:53]
*	mircea_popescu recalls the lulzier years in 2011-2012 back when roger ver was actually pretending to be like, a business man, and stuff.	[20:54]
mircea_popescu	in trotally not related news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/c17818ea6e6cd57d36f47b8f84b0acff/tumblr_nwmlm4UySD1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg	[20:55]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1KGo1qf )	[20:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58750 @ 0.00057606 = 33.8435 BTC [+]	[20:57]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11175 @ 0.0005696 = 6.3653 BTC [-] {2}	[21:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 286608 @ 0.00055835 = 160.0276 BTC [-] {5}	[21:03]
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mircea_popescu	and in more of the same, http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/delhi/Card-frauds-used-bitcoins-to-trade-money/articleshow/50922983.cms	[22:00]
assbot	Card frauds used bitcoins to trade money - Times of India ... ( http://bit.ly/1QWL5QZ )	[22:00]
*	assbot gives voice to gernika	[22:01]
mircea_popescu	but whatever, the fiat deck of cards will endure because... i dunno, everyone will promise to not take a shit on it and also uphold that promise. sounds workable :D	[22:02]
gernika	mod6 verified in v99995_beta2 that it no longer presses a non-existent patch name and throws an error instead.	[22:03]
deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bernie Sanders will be Democrats' 2016 Presidential Nominee - http://bitbet.us/bet/1242/bernie-sanders-will-be-democrats-2016-presidential-nominee/#b20	[22:06]
mircea_popescu	and in other muslim news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5f6qtZHfh1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg	[22:10]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1o4yjqo )	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	cheers gernika	[22:10]
mod6	thanks gernika!	[22:31]
gernika	yw mod6 :)	[22:32]
deedbot-	[Qntra] Bitcointalk Default Trust Member Escrow.ms Arrested For Debit Card Fraud - http://qntra.net/2016/02/bitcointalk-default-trust-member-escrow-ms-arrested-for-debit-card-fraud/	[22:40]
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kakobrekla	lolk	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	kik	[22:41]
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punkman	the neverending *chan drama eh	[22:43]
BingoBoingo	* mircea_popescu recalls the lulzier years in 2011-2012 back when roger ver was actually pretending to be like, a business man, and stuff. << NEver forget $50 Blockchain.info chargeback because Ver's sticky hands were in all the things then	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	,	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	lol. ridoinculous.	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	the "captains of industry" days.	[22:45]
punkman	mircea_popescu: did you ever advertise on 2ch?	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	punkman i asked them to either support bitcoin or do a one time deal for me. they were going to get back, never did.	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	why, you know someone ?	[22:45]
punkman	was just wondering if you ever talked to the Jim fellow that owns both that and 8ch	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	nope.	[22:46]
BingoBoingo	Remember when copypaste though he owned 8chan? That's the sort of misunderstanding that seems to preclude doing business with 2ch.	[22:49]
punkman	https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/2ch_Chronicle	[22:51]
assbot	2ch Chronicle - Wikibooks, open books for an open world ... ( http://bit.ly/1RrtxPa )	[22:51]
punkman	also the other guy that thought he owned 2ch	[22:51]
punkman	"To whom it may concern: The previous management was not able to generate enough income to pay the bills for the expenses of running 2ch. Previously I allowed some autonomy to them. During that time my name has been slandered. The ability for 2ch to generate enough income to stay open was damaged. I hope that with proper management that 2ch can recover."	[22:52]
punkman	http://8ch.net/newspaper/res/3.html#255	[22:58]
assbot	/newspaper/ - [HISTORY][2CH.NET][RP] ... ( http://bit.ly/1RrulDD )	[22:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 129944 @ 0.00055274 = 71.8252 BTC [+] {2}	[23:00]
BingoBoingo	https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/456ej8/agents_of_thermos_default_trust_member_escrowms/	[23:02]
assbot	Agents of Thermos: "Default Trust" member Escrow.ms arrested, Tradefortress still at large : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1RruGX0 )	[23:02]
mircea_popescu	punkman mind that by their very nature, chans NEVER pay for their bills.	[23:07]
mircea_popescu	it's always a godfather sort of deal.	[23:07]
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BingoBoingo	I just found out that apparently using a radio telescope pointed at a pulsar for a time source is something actually being done.	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	for a while now. quite good timepiece, a pulsar.	[23:10]
punkman	mircea_popescu: well Jim must be making some money to pay for the bandwidth, no?	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	no.	[23:11]
BingoBoingo	I can finally replace wound spring for keeping me standard time	[23:11]
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punkman	!up copy	[23:14]
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mod6	;;halfreward	[23:17]
gribble	Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Thu Jul 14 04:52:41 2016 UTC \| Time remaining: 22 weeks, 0 days, 2 hours, 40 minutes, and 0 seconds.	[23:17]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75056 @ 0.00055199 = 41.4302 BTC [-] {4}	[23:18]
BingoBoingo	Today I learned Gavin Assassinen is on the city council https://archive.is/XXyKh	[23:19]
assbot	BatChainer comments on Bitcoin Classic Release Announcement ... ( http://bit.ly/1QWTqUH )	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	by "godfather sort of deal" i mean specifically http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300594	[23:19]
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assbot	Logged on 16-10-2015 15:12:55; mircea_popescu: aka, pay for all our sins, as we can't afford to do it. and so you get godfathers, and get to enjoy the movie. that's his role in the community : that he pays your blodgelt for you.	[23:19]
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deedbot-	[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Sociological catalogue entry: Chumpatronico Cancúnica - http://www.contravex.com/2016/02/10/sociological-catalogue-entry-chumpatronico-cancunica/	[23:23]
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asciilifeform	https://cryptome.org/2016/02/gchq-malware-boing-boing-16-0202.pdf << l0ltr0n1c	[23:28]
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assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1QWUoQP )	[23:28]
asciilifeform	also 3133333337 latex !!111 vs american microshit wurd !!111	[23:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62650 @ 0.00055199 = 34.5822 BTC [-] {2}	[23:29]
BingoBoingo	In the ongoing collapse American serfs now being moved to scratch different patches of dirt http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/urban-farmers-working-vacant-kinloch-property-get-surprise-when-land/article_a69bbb45-2cc1-542d-b7c0-51e6205c8e2c.html	[23:29]
assbot	Urban farmers working vacant Kinloch property get surprise when land's rightful owner shows up : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1QWUt75 )	[23:29]
BingoBoingo	;;later tell pete_d_out You know, you might want to defend your title from nubbins' as it seems he wants all of Canada to himself.	[23:35]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[23:35]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402608 << l0l! the 'montrex' gambit!	[23:40]
assbot	Logged on 11-02-2016 01:47:54; punkman: "To whom it may concern: The previous management was not able to generate enough income to pay the bills for the expenses of running 2ch. Previously I allowed some autonomy to them. During that time my name has been slandered. The ability for 2ch to generate enough income to stay open was damaged. I hope that with proper management that 2ch can recover."	[23:40]
asciilifeform	(who remembers?? 'i was never a sc4mz0r, but now you called me one, and thereby i now lack the money to fill $promise' )	[23:41]
*	assbot removes voice from copy	[23:44]
BingoBoingo	That's roughly half of all discussions in the history of bitcointalk	[23:45]
punkman	heh	[23:53]
punkman	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2Uf1uN8haI	[23:54]
assbot	the magnetic fields - underwear - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1TdEBRb )	[23:54]
shinohai	https://i.imgur.com/TUZ3hZ7.jpg <<< must have this shirt	[23:56]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1TdENzP )	[23:56]

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