Forum logs for 11 Feb 2016

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu one well-massaged class of super-NP complexity classes is PSPACE - and i distinctly recall a proof that the mega-game 'sokoban' is PSPACE-complete. [00:32]
gribble The operation succeeded. [00:32]
asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.52.41 << here we go. [00:32]
gribble The operation succeeded. [00:32]
assbot CiteSeerX — Sokoban is PSPACE-complete ... ( http://bit.ly/1TTJSwy ) [00:32]
punkman sokoban as PoW would be interesting [00:39]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45150 @ 0.00055694 = 25.1458 BTC [+] [00:45]
mircea_popescu aha! [00:49]
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ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2016#1401640 << sustained [02:32]
assbot Logged on 10-02-2016 02:24:16; nubbins`: speak now if you believe a lord that has contributed TRB patches, who owns the second-largest s.mg stock warrant, who trades in the only physical collectibles that are priced solely in BTC, who pays the bill for eulora.org, who is the republic's de facto minister of letters awaiting with bated quill the whittling-down of a codebase fit to publish, should be stripped of his title; speak your [02:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17400 @ 0.00055213 = 9.6071 BTC [-] [02:33]
ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2016#1401850 << how dare you challenge the lord of the vehicles [02:33]
assbot Logged on 10-02-2016 04:32:44; nubbins`: what's pete doing on the list anyway [02:33]
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danielpbarron !up ggggg [02:48]
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ggggg TQ [02:50]
danielpbarron yw, who are you? [02:50]
ggggg just a lurkr crypto guy [02:51]
danielpbarron lots of those around these days [02:51]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4604 @ 0.0005531 = 2.5465 BTC [+] [03:03]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83751 @ 0.00055342 = 46.3495 BTC [+] [03:07]
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ggggg did not know about https://bitbet.us [03:12]
assbot BitBet ... ( http://bit.ly/1LixajI ) [03:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29549 @ 0.00055342 = 16.353 BTC [+] [03:12]
danielpbarron ah, so not lurking for very long then [03:12]
ggggg lol ... I am more alt less btc [03:13]
danielpbarron which alts? [03:13]
punkman eth at 0.012 btc [03:14]
ggggg all of them ... fan of UNO [03:14]
ggggg $eth kills me ... stayed out thought it was vaporware [03:14]
danielpbarron why UNO? [03:14]
ggggg merge mined with btc network, low inflation [03:15]
punkman ggggg: eth's still vaporware [03:15]
ggggg true, but there is $ backing it [03:16]
punkman is UNO the unobtainium one? [03:16]
* danielpbarron assumed so [03:16]
ggggg the unobtainium one ;) [03:16]
punkman what was it, 12 coins max? [03:16]
ggggg about 200k coins right now ... max 250k will take 300 odd years to mine the last 5th [03:17]
punkman but can I buy a loongson with it? [03:18]
ggggg you can buy anything you want, just as long as it is under $100 [03:18]
ggggg liquidity is low [03:18]
mats rofl [03:18]
punkman http://unobtanium.uno/ they even have a TLD [03:19]
assbot Unobtanium - UNO | The original rare cryptocurrency ... ( http://bit.ly/1KcXwJe ) [03:19]
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mats 10/10 jokes ggggg [03:19]
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ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402656 << remember the game of life pow thread? [03:25]
assbot Logged on 11-02-2016 03:35:07; punkman: sokoban as PoW would be interesting [03:25]
punkman ben_vulpes: remind me [03:31]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72303 @ 0.00055939 = 40.4456 BTC [+] [03:33]
danielpbarron i rememer that one, and it related to mining needing to take up enormous physical space in order to scale [03:35]
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ben_vulpes punkman: i wish i remembered more, or could effectively dig up the thread [03:43]
ben_vulpes paging mircea_popescu, asciilifeform, per usual [03:43]
ben_vulpes things i recall: [03:44]
ben_vulpes - nothing [03:45]
punkman in other nyooz, made some progress on punkdiff. I added file deletions without including the deleted lines in the diff. Now working on sane renaming, but I'm thinking it might be better to have renames represented as (copy a to b)+(delete a). [04:01]
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deedbot- [Qntra] Cattle Rancher And American Patriot Cliven Bundy Arrested In Portland - http://qntra.net/2016/02/cattle-rancher-and-american-patriot-cliven-bundy-arrested-in-portland/ [07:33]
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deedbot- [Qntra] Embattled Ferguson Defies United States Department Of "Justice" - http://qntra.net/2016/02/embattled-ferguson-defies-united-states-department-of-justice/ [08:02]
deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b92 [08:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29600 @ 0.00055515 = 16.4324 BTC [+] {2} [08:12]
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BingoBoingo Tensor, Tensor! https://archive.is/UzkqW [08:56]
assbot Industrial Society and Its Future - Wikisource, the free online library ... ( http://bit.ly/23YGvZB ) [08:56]
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punkman "Categories: Commodities to End Climate Change, Data Seance, Smart Garbage, Monetizing Children, Artisanal Ad Networks, The Sharing Economy, Fetal Leaning In, Disrupting Solid Foods, Open Source Debtors Prison, 3D Printed Drugs, Deepest Learning, Compostable Neural Networks, Cybersecurity, Ayn Rand, Edible Electronics, Virtual Reality (For Babies)" [09:38]
BingoBoingo Where is this? [09:38]
punkman the stupid hackathon [09:40]
punkman http://www.stupidhackathon.com/2016/poors-good.jpg [09:40]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wg25Dd ) [09:40]
BingoBoingo aha [09:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.00055513 = 9.9368 BTC [+] {2} [09:41]
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punkman http://dumbwill.com/cults/ [09:45]
assbot C.U.L.T.S ... ( http://bit.ly/1TemCdi ) [09:45]
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BingoBoingo punkman: That is just beautiful [10:06]
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punkman http://www.ptt-museum.dk/en/online_magazine/previous_articles/broadcasting/?id=74 [10:16]
assbot Radio - Post & Tele Museum ... ( http://bit.ly/1O4Cx6b ) [10:16]
punkman http://www.nature.com/news/the-chips-are-down-for-moore-s-law-1.19338 [10:19]
assbot The chips are down for Moore’s law : Nature News & Comment ... ( http://bit.ly/1O4COGd ) [10:19]
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da2ce7 hello [10:22]
da2ce7 :) [10:22]
BingoBoingo hello [10:25]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127800 @ 0.0005593 = 71.4785 BTC [+] {2} [10:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51100 @ 0.00055931 = 28.5807 BTC [+] [10:31]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402711 << recall, mircea_popescu came up with a spiffier one since then [10:39]
assbot Logged on 11-02-2016 06:39:07; ben_vulpes: paging mircea_popescu, asciilifeform, per usual [10:39]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402714 << turing-complete vtron or bust [10:40]
assbot Logged on 11-02-2016 06:56:52; punkman: in other nyooz, made some progress on punkdiff. I added file deletions without including the deleted lines in the diff. Now working on sane renaming, but I'm thinking it might be better to have renames represented as (copy a to b)+(delete a). [10:40]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402730 << gendarmerie! [10:40]
assbot Logged on 11-02-2016 10:57:41; deedbot-: [Qntra] Embattled Ferguson Defies United States Department Of "Justice" - http://qntra.net/2016/02/embattled-ferguson-defies-united-states-department-of-justice/ [10:40]
BingoBoingo Seriously [10:41]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402729 << no partizans in usaschwitz. [10:41]
assbot Logged on 11-02-2016 10:29:04; deedbot-: [Qntra] Cattle Rancher And American Patriot Cliven Bundy Arrested In Portland - http://qntra.net/2016/02/cattle-rancher-and-american-patriot-cliven-bundy-arrested-in-portland/ [10:41]
BingoBoingo yet [10:45]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402667 << old rusty benz is tmsr infrastructure now ?? [10:46]
assbot Logged on 11-02-2016 05:29:21; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2016#1401850 << how dare you challenge the lord of the vehicles [10:46]
asciilifeform can my old sapping shovel be also? [10:47]
asciilifeform how about lispm. [10:47]
BingoBoingo My Remington MB-20 beard trimmer is plainly essential #b-a infrastructure [10:48]
asciilifeform if pete_d's benz then it also yes! [10:49]
asciilifeform l0l [10:49]
asciilifeform bbl. [10:49]
BingoBoingo It's seriously pretty sweet though. Uses two AA batteries so not ruined when internal nicd or li-ion battery quits [10:49]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15839 @ 0.00055931 = 8.8589 BTC [+] [10:57]
PeterL would this be an interesting bet for bitbet? No candidate for the 2016 republican presidential nomination will receive a majority of pledged delegates before the republican national convention? [11:00]
punkman asciilifeform: .. << turing-complete vtron or bust << I'll get there eventually. Though, I think the standard unified-diff representation is useful even if patchons consisting of script are available. [11:00]
BingoBoingo PeterL: Brokered convention? Could be very interesting. I won't pledge to bet it without seeing the form it takes [11:06]
danielpbarron i bet on there being a brokered convention last timme [11:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00055985 = 9.9653 BTC [+] {2} [11:11]
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BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all --currency rmb [11:33]
gribble BTCChina BTCRMB last: 2590.0, vol: 20984.45070000 | Volume-weighted last average: 2590.0 [11:33]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [11:33]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 379.11, vol: 7161.37862854 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 384.577, vol: 5665.8749 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 380.94, vol: 20247.87538418 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 389.0, vol: 0.35414649 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 393.68, vol: 20987.53210000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 381.81986, vol: 1050.75864489 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 381.35658943, vol: 105.63472011 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) [11:33]
BingoBoingo ;;more [11:33]
gribble 385.935598679 [11:33]
punkman http://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/ouch-soundcloud-losses-show-a-broken-business-model-in-desperate-need-of-a-fix/ [11:35]
assbot Ouch: SoundCloud losses show a broken business model in desperate need of a fix - Music Business Worldwide ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q9pba7 ) [11:35]
punkman all that money and they can't put a fucking volume slider on their audio player [11:35]
BingoBoingo lol [11:37]
punkman https://www.soundcloudcommunity.com/soundcloud/topics/volume-control-nuocgr2e2nh0r?topic-reply-list[settings][filter_by]=all [11:41]
assbot Volume control | SoundCloud Community Forum ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q9pCB2 ) [11:41]
kakobrekla volume control? that wouldnt look cool. [11:46]
punkman they have volume control on soundcloud.com, but there's this radio show I listen to, they started embedding soundcloud recently and there's no volume control on it. and of course there is no way to find the embedded tracks on their soundcloud profile. [11:51]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126550 @ 0.00056141 = 71.0464 BTC [-] {2} [11:51]
punkman I bet they have 3 teams of "usability" experts. [11:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 170150 @ 0.00055782 = 94.9131 BTC [-] {4} [11:55]
punkman http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Google-Lanai-Architecture [11:56]
assbot LLVM Patches Confirm Google Has Its Own In-House Processor - Phoronix ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q9r7PU ) [11:57]
BingoBoingo punkman: Turns out it is likely a not uncommon router chip that they all got excited over. Non story. [11:59]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402686 << it is vaporware lol. weren't they going to release something "right next week" for the past... i dunno, 6months ? [12:04]
assbot Logged on 11-02-2016 06:10:23; ggggg: $eth kills me ... stayed out thought it was vaporware [12:04]
mircea_popescu buterin is by now indistinguishable from that kate/craig imbecile of http://trilema.com/2013/the-stuple/ fame. [12:05]
assbot The stuple. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q9rYjv ) [12:05]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402704 << aha. mike_c was ahead of his time! [12:08]
assbot Logged on 11-02-2016 06:21:00; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402656 << remember the game of life pow thread? [12:08]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402730 << lol ferguson is not newsworthy anymore in the pravda, they moved the circus to flint now. this is so fucking soviet, they had a truck going around the country bringing "news" [12:09]
assbot Logged on 11-02-2016 10:57:41; deedbot-: [Qntra] Embattled Ferguson Defies United States Department Of "Justice" - http://qntra.net/2016/02/embattled-ferguson-defies-united-states-department-of-justice/ [12:09]
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BingoBoingo Seriously [12:10]
mircea_popescu http://www.stupidhackathon.com/2016/poors-good.jpg << this is actually a perfectly valid point. if you're going to publicly associate with people via facebook, you're exposing yourself and your fambly to usg & friends rapine in various manners, such as the one described. [12:11]
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assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wg25Dd ) [12:11]
mircea_popescu this is a fact. [12:11]
mircea_popescu for prophet lol. nb. [12:12]
mircea_popescu "The startups move to our private compound for 3 months, during which time we work intensively with them to get the company into the best possible shape and refine their pitch to potential new members." <<< i hope they apply the bivolaru tradition [12:12]
mircea_popescu "pls send noodies to evaluate your auras" [12:12]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402754 << fucking nature. what happened to "as indicated by MP in January 2015, Moore's law..." [12:24]
assbot Logged on 11-02-2016 13:14:54; punkman: http://www.nature.com/news/the-chips-are-down-for-moore-s-law-1.19338 [12:24]
mircea_popescu journalism by the bums for the bums ffs. [12:24]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402782 << yeah actually. [12:25]
assbot Logged on 11-02-2016 13:55:43; PeterL: would this be an interesting bet for bitbet? No candidate for the 2016 republican presidential nomination will receive a majority of pledged delegates before the republican national convention? [12:25]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402795 << what fucking fix ? "giving away free beer will result in the largest party on campus. it will also be a sausage fest that no one cool would even consider." [12:26]
assbot Logged on 11-02-2016 14:30:50; assbot: Ouch: SoundCloud losses show a broken business model in desperate need of a fix - Music Business Worldwide ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q9pba7 ) [12:26]
mircea_popescu exactly what the fuck is going to be "fixed" in this necessary situation ? time to face the music : a large number of people is NOT a business value. it is a business cost. [12:26]
mircea_popescu NOT having many users is as valuable as NOT having a fucktarded US-like VC on your board, or NOT having a fatass woman with a history of USG employment in "human services" roles in your staff. [12:27]
mircea_popescu keep all these three heads of doom away, it is plain impossible to not make money. [12:27]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402807 << you know, it occurs to me that publishing mockful rebuttals of exactly this sort of thing IS in fact newsworthy. [12:29]
assbot Logged on 11-02-2016 14:54:55; BingoBoingo: punkman: Turns out it is likely a not uncommon router chip that they all got excited over. Non story. [12:29]
mircea_popescu gadfly the fucktard ointment, by taking their stories and taking them apart, adding details they don't wish circulated, stuff like that. [12:29]
mircea_popescu perfectly legitimate and certainly useful behaviour - not least of all because automated systems as well as most people will select X out of a set of A=B=C=D, X = A+i. [12:30]
mircea_popescu and because they're all bound by the same ideology, it is trivial to produce the i they can never print ; whereas because they are all subject ot the same pressure, it is nigh on impossible for dA vs dB to be anywhere as large as i. [12:31]
BingoBoingo I might get something on that out later today. [12:33]
mircea_popescu yeah was jus' sayin' in general. [12:33]
BingoBoingo This one's waiting while I watch Oregon to see if this morning brings news [12:34]
mircea_popescu i would guess they'll hurry up to pack it up before ben_vulpes' nude amazon charge shows up [12:36]
BingoBoingo lol [12:36]
mircea_popescu but in further oregon news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/232cfbc63c345f52cccd200f4a189d91/tumblr_nwbqdilQau1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg [12:40]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1o6JAXt ) [12:40]
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asciilifeform http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Clang-The-Kernel-2016 << l0l, the destallmanization gnomes never sleep [13:00]
assbot The Project To Compile The Linux Kernel With LLVM Clang Is Still Alive - Phoronix ... ( http://bit.ly/1o6NUpD ) [13:01]
mircea_popescu in ~principle~ the fact i can't compile the kernel with any random compiler i wrote myself is an argument that linux = windows, ftr. [13:02]
asciilifeform in the same way that me slipping on the pavement is = to being run over by a bus, yes. [13:03]
mircea_popescu it's deeper than that, imo. the point here is that bitcoin is not making any attempt to limit ownership of its tokens by say, usg agents. [13:03]
mircea_popescu original linux as a subversive device had the same property. [13:04]
asciilifeform interestingly, somebody did build linux kernel with quinniec's 'tinycc', would be interesting to learn how. [13:04]
mircea_popescu by the time it has to be defended cby this sort of principle backtracking... there's nothing there to defend. [13:04]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu is not too clear on the concept of bottles with no outside, is he [13:04]
mircea_popescu go on ? [13:04]
asciilifeform where do i go from linux ? [13:05]
asciilifeform dirigible os? write it for me. [13:05]
mircea_popescu keep the old versions. [13:05]
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asciilifeform and he laughs at my stockpile of old hardware, even [13:05]
asciilifeform old versions run on guess what. [13:05]
mircea_popescu i do not! [13:05]
asciilifeform then you see it. [13:06]
mircea_popescu !up ahmedbodi [13:06]
-assbot- You voiced ahmedbodi for 30 minutes. [13:06]
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mircea_popescu of course i fucking see it. [13:06]
mircea_popescu !s from:mircea thinkpad [13:06]
assbot 7 results for 'from:mircea thinkpad' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Amircea+thinkpad [13:06]
asciilifeform ah!! [13:06]
asciilifeform i was just buying thinkpads! [13:06]
asciilifeform so far ~failing~ to obtain a working x60-series [13:06]
asciilifeform on 2nd attempt now. [13:06]
punkman wrong screen? [13:06]
asciilifeform punkman: nah, they just tend to be in abysmal physical shape [13:07]
asciilifeform they literally fall apart [13:07]
asciilifeform it isn't 2008 any more [13:07]
asciilifeform and the chassis was not made of shitanium [13:07]
mircea_popescu the one i bought is solid as a rock and i have a pile of spare batteries for it too. [13:07]
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asciilifeform they ~look~ solid aha [13:07]
mircea_popescu but anyway, yes, stockpiles. [13:07]
asciilifeform but go and buy now. [13:07]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform just yesterday it faceplanted from bed to the floor. no damage. [13:08]
asciilifeform i guess the example i have here fell 1,001 times. [13:08]
asciilifeform notably it still ~runs~. [13:08]
asciilifeform just won't latch, and the parts waltz when you pick it up. [13:08]
asciilifeform i will also point out that stockpiles only go so far. [13:10]
asciilifeform you can't trb-develop on the x60. [13:10]
asciilifeform in other mostly non-news, [13:13]
asciilifeform https://boingboing.net/2016/02/02/doxxing-sherlock-3.html << since nobody but me read the original pdf turd, here's the circus version [13:14]
assbot Exclusive: Snowden intelligence docs reveal UK spooks' malware checklist / Boing Boing ... ( http://bit.ly/1WgjM5y ) [13:14]
asciilifeform (lulziest hangout to date) [13:14]
mircea_popescu in other "things that don't work but faux japanese men drinking bottled beer like to pretend anyway", http://40.media.tumblr.com/28bf92be1f3e4bf544e5c504dbcf0602/tumblr_nwbq2sc4K91qlne6uo1_1280.jpg [13:15]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1WgjVpL ) [13:15]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: srsly the old thinkpad's sata-1 does not cut it [13:16]
mircea_popescu i mostly use it to watch movies, and i have a strict "700mb format only" policy so... works ok for me! [13:17]
asciilifeform but i am still collecting x60s, and if mircea_popescu has extras i will buy ! [13:17]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: didja ever say ~which~ thinkpads you liked [13:18]
mircea_popescu lol don't get carried away [13:19]
mircea_popescu and i didn't even look at multiple, just picked one. lemme see what it is. [13:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88540 @ 0.00055986 = 49.57 BTC [+] [13:20]
mircea_popescu "type 2373" [13:20]
mircea_popescu made 2003 [13:20]
asciilifeform holy shit my original [13:20]
asciilifeform door-smasher [13:21]
mircea_popescu it's pretty tough yes [13:21]
mircea_popescu http://archive.is/Vtd5k << yep this exactly [13:21]
assbot ThinkPad T40 2373 Specs - CNET ... ( http://bit.ly/1o6SHHz ) [13:21]
asciilifeform and yeah there is no question of running trb on this. [13:21]
asciilifeform even if you fit a flash disk [13:22]
asciilifeform prolly still has the 8G limit, too [13:22]
mircea_popescu prolly. [13:22]
mircea_popescu but in terms of worx... it WORKS. i can do anything i do on it. [13:22]
asciilifeform about same specs as my 'libretto.' [13:22]
mircea_popescu which i suppose is a testament of how little i do. [13:22]
asciilifeform try build 'rotor' on it, for shits&gigglez, see how many days it takes. [13:23]
asciilifeform (will it even sit down on the max disk in that thing) [13:24]
mircea_popescu i would bet you it would take less than a day, but i don't want to delete all this porn etc. [13:24]
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asciilifeform l0l [13:25]
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mircea_popescu lol [13:28]
mircea_popescu random factor! [13:28]
asciilifeform aha! [13:28]
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mircea_popescu in further omfg who the fuck wrote cpp : double = double*float/float comes out as rounded to 0, we just discovered in the field running eulora. [13:51]
mircea_popescu THIS IS LOGICAL [13:51]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402927 << 'double, double, toil and trouble' (tm) (r) [14:00]
assbot Logged on 11-02-2016 16:47:02; mircea_popescu: in further omfg who the fuck wrote cpp : double = double*float/float comes out as rounded to 0, we just discovered in the field running eulora. [14:00]
asciilifeform complain to ieee. [14:01]
asciilifeform see also http://floating-point-gui.de . [14:02]
assbot The Floating-Point Guide - What Every Programmer Should Know About Floating-Point Arithmetic ... ( http://bit.ly/1PPB6Ol ) [14:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 432100 @ 0.00054894 = 237.197 BTC [-] {9} [14:09]
asciilifeform unrelatedly, [14:11]
asciilifeform anybody ever play with http://prosecco.gforge.inria.fr/personal/bblanche/proverif ? [14:11]
assbot ProVerif ... ( http://bit.ly/1PPC5ya ) [14:11]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes dude but it's a fucking nightmare maintaining inherited 100k+ loc stacks. [14:12]
mircea_popescu "what the fuck, this used to work" all the fucking day long [14:12]
mircea_popescu "yes, but now you're exposing a hole you weren't before." idem [14:12]
asciilifeform http://proverif.rocq.inria.fr/index.php << demotron [14:13]
assbot Online demo for ProVerif ... ( http://bit.ly/1PPCctq ) [14:13]
asciilifeform ^ not recommended or otherwise, nfi how it works yet [14:13]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i think everybody here knows what 100kline shitstack feels like, on own skin [14:13]
punkman mircea_popescu: in further omfg who the fuck wrote cpp : double = double*float/float comes out as rounded to 0, we just discovered in the field running eulora. << works here [14:23]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform thinking about it, i'd be much surprised if you can compile current linux on gcc, either [14:44]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform ritter answered, actually. maybe he even shows up. [14:46]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402949 << wai wut?! [15:04]
assbot Logged on 11-02-2016 17:40:11; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform thinking about it, i'd be much surprised if you can compile current linux on gcc, either [15:04]
asciilifeform with what does mircea_popescu ~think~ it is built ?? [15:04]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402950 << spiffy. i got no answer from blaze, thus far [15:04]
assbot Logged on 11-02-2016 17:42:25; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ritter answered, actually. maybe he even shows up. [15:04]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform test this. [15:09]
mircea_popescu i think it is built out of duct tape and spit, and the process is not reproducible outside of sheer luck. [15:10]
asciilifeform rotor. [15:13]
asciilifeform qed. [15:13]
mircea_popescu wasn't that busybox ? [15:13]
asciilifeform turn on normal userland. [15:13]
asciilifeform (in the menuconfig thingie, or by hand.) [15:13]
mircea_popescu pff. besides the fucking point. what i am saying is that a) you download source from current linux repo ; b) you built it on random gcc you have installed and c) lol. [15:14]
asciilifeform i built a 'rotolinux' that boots from cd, and i think trinque (?) did similar [15:14]
mircea_popescu anyway bbl [15:14]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: so long as it isn't gcc5, it builds. [15:14]
asciilifeform go, try. [15:14]
asciilifeform i did this 1,001 times prolly. [15:14]
asciilifeform linux kernel is a fort that stands. for now. [15:15]
asciilifeform the battering ram swings, swings into the gate, every day, yes. [15:15]
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trinque yep, I've got a gentoo-buildinator that works more than once [15:15]
asciilifeform ^ neato [15:16]
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deedbot- [Qntra] As ClassicCoin Client Hits Release, Miners Formally Reject It - http://qntra.net/2016/02/as-classiccoin-client-hits-release-miners-formally-reject-it/ [15:37]
BingoBoingo ^ Gloatware [15:38]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: should there be a link in there somewhere ? [15:47]
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BingoBoingo If you insist I'll dig up the least obnoxious one [15:48]
BingoBoingo https://archive.is/TCo6o Inserted at "signed a letter" [15:50]
assbot A Call for Consensus — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1TVblOw ) [15:50]
BingoBoingo There are no reports on ClassicCoin's move from beta that do not include deviations from reality which would allow linking [15:51]
BingoBoingo http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3813 [15:57]
assbot JL: Bring Us Your Curious, Your Young, Your Weak ... ( http://bit.ly/1O5dRua ) [15:57]
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BingoBoingo It's over https://archive.is/9m2Bk [16:13]
assbot Oregon standoff: 4 holdouts all in FBI custody as occupation ends (live updates) | OregonLive.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1TVdDx6 ) [16:13]
asciilifeform summed to 0, huh. [16:16]
asciilifeform just as i predicted. [16:16]
asciilifeform exactly like the other 'occupy'. [16:16]
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BingoBoingo Depends on how the inevitable next one plays out [16:18]
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asciilifeform next one will need to feature a new set of farmers [16:19]
asciilifeform the old one will not be seen again, i suspect. [16:19]
mod6 finally figured out, I think, what the weird problem is with vdiff on ubuntu with that unmached quote. [16:20]
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asciilifeform mod6: is this the one with the defective awk ? [16:20]
BingoBoingo Microshaft http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/blogs/future_tense/2016/02/11/microsoft_garage_releases_experimental_fetch_app_that_identifies_dog_breeds/cats.jpg.CROP.original-original.jpg [16:20]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1TVexts ) [16:20]
mod6 So gentoo uses 'gawk' by default, and ubuntu, uses 'mawk'. So if you install 'gawk' on ubuntu, then change the script so that it calls 'gawk' instead of 'awk', all is well. [16:20]
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mod6 asciilifeform: so yeah, basically. [16:22]
asciilifeform i could've sworn we had this thread [16:23]
asciilifeform !s mawk [16:24]
assbot 3 results for 'mawk' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=mawk [16:24]
mod6 i think we did too. [16:24]
mod6 anyway, no worries. [16:25]
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shinohai ;;ticker --market all [17:06]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 374.0, vol: 6318.93996717 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 380.727, vol: 4460.2787 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 372.79, vol: 14220.36323502 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 382.0, vol: 1.35900749 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 389.8603, vol: 20114.24070000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 373.69, vol: 1177.9914599 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 374.022001133, vol: 99.90444738 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) [17:06]
BingoBoingo ;;more [17:07]
gribble Error: That's all, there is no more. [17:07]
BingoBoingo ;;more shinohai [17:07]
gribble 381.144674541 [17:07]
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shinohai ;;more [17:09]
gribble 381.144674541 [17:09]
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BingoBoingo ;;later tell danielpbarron please to stop using twitter messaging feature. [17:14]
gribble The operation succeeded. [17:14]
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ben_vulpes http://www.mortarinvestments.eu/products/jeeps,-trucks-a-motos-3/uaz-452-52#currency=USD [18:11]
assbot UAZ-452 - Jeeps, Trucks & Motos - Mortarinvestments.eu - Mortar Investments ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ru0tGK ) [18:11]
ben_vulpes PURCHASE A UAZ-452 MINIVAN, THE INDISPENSABLE COMPANION OF YOUR LONG TRIPS TO THE NATURE. [18:11]
shinohai That's just begging for you to turn it into The Mystery Machine ben_vulpes [18:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50250 @ 0.0005604 = 28.1601 BTC [+] {2} [18:17]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: classic sov 'microbus' [18:26]
asciilifeform in other nyooz, first-ever detection of gravity wave in real time is being claimed. [18:29]
asciilifeform i won't link to the newzcrud because atrocious [18:30]
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mod6 just read about that [18:34]
BingoBoingo From what I understand lasers and mirrors [18:34]
shinohai Probably just Gavin sitting down on his fat ass. [18:35]
BingoBoingo likely [18:36]
mod6 Kip Thorne said, "It is by far the most powerful explosion humans have ever detected except for the big bang." [18:36]
asciilifeform we laugh at gavin but he's prolly set for life.. [18:37]
shinohai Of course he is with cia paying the bills [18:42]
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asciilifeform i have nfi what he does all day, but i would bet against any of it involving commute, office, or work [18:47]
BingoBoingo But he does it at cost of cyanide buttplug [18:54]
asciilifeform doubtful [18:54]
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mod6 to be ignored by the future minstrels [18:59]
asciilifeform mega-cost, l0l [18:59]
asciilifeform i mean yes, in the abstract, the fella deserves to start at nuremberg2 and flayed [19:04]
asciilifeform but i don't expect to live to see this. [19:04]
asciilifeform *star at [19:04]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo i lolled. [19:12]
mircea_popescu we laugh at gavin but he's prolly set for life.. << just as you predicted ? [19:14]
asciilifeform !s from:asciilifeform predict gavin [19:15]
assbot 0 results for 'from:asciilifeform predict gavin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aasciilifeform+predict+gavin [19:15]
asciilifeform !s from:ascii_field predict gavin [19:15]
assbot 0 results for 'from:ascii_field predict gavin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aascii_field+predict+gavin [19:15]
asciilifeform hm [19:15]
asciilifeform what did i predict. [19:15]
ben_vulpes shinohai: i want the http://www.mortarinvestments.eu/products/jeeps,-trucks-a-motos-3/ats-59-artillery-tractor-275 artillery tractor [19:16]
assbot ATS-59 artillery tractor - Jeeps, Trucks & Motos - Mortarinvestments.eu - Mortar Investments ... ( http://bit.ly/1KevUmT ) [19:16]
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mircea_popescu apparently you predicted something or the other about the oregon folks. bout the same strength of prediction as your groundless if insistend belief gavin has it well. which, for the lulz, is exactly homologuous with your prior "prediction"/firm belief that leah goodman was floating in it, which did get debunked publicly but for that reason doesn't need further mention ; or for that matter something about jews [19:17]
mircea_popescu whatever family was it, rothschild ? [19:17]
asciilifeform ah them, l0l [19:17]
mircea_popescu you got this special drawer of a certain kind of kimchi. [19:17]
asciilifeform now why groundless. [19:18]
mircea_popescu but anyway, you know who else was "set for lyf" ? that objectionable "open source" shithead. [19:18]
asciilifeform yes, there is not enough usg kimchi for ~all~ quislings to live work-free in mega-house [19:18]
asciilifeform true. [19:18]
asciilifeform eric raymond ? [19:18]
mircea_popescu what's his name, raymond something. [19:18]
mircea_popescu yea [19:18]
asciilifeform he was a chump, accepted payola denominated in toiletpaper [19:18]
asciilifeform ('stock') [19:18]
mircea_popescu there's only one kind ever offered. which is why http://trilema.com/2015/heres-what-they-dont-tell-you-when-they-bring-you-those-papers-to-sign/ [19:19]
assbot Here's what they don't tell you when they bring you those papers to sign on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6aNyh ) [19:19]
asciilifeform looks as if gavin was smarter, paid in sinecure and rent-free house ? [19:19]
mircea_popescu just like any teenaged slut in argentina that i stick my cock into for the time being ? [19:19]
asciilifeform similar! [19:19]
asciilifeform except most males never get half as good a deal in life [19:20]
mircea_popescu in infinitely more interesting news, the fundamental problem of slavery : http://40.media.tumblr.com/6c74441da85e1c5cfe00aedca0e54365/tumblr_np667iedoF1uu92gho1_1280.jpg [19:20]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1KewmSd ) [19:20]
mircea_popescu to explain : on one hand the slave is put in circumstances (be it clothing, or accoutrements, or whatnot) that make it the focus of attention, necessarily. you can't do most of those things permanently, as a thing. to understand why, imagine you'd make a silo full of puppies. how long before it is a silo full of rotting meat ? [19:21]
asciilifeform ugh [19:21]
mircea_popescu nevertheless, on the other hand the theoretical structure of the relationship is exactly opposite to this reality. [19:21]
mircea_popescu and hence, there's a problem! [19:21]
asciilifeform eventually ~everything~ is a silo of meat. [19:21]
asciilifeform only question of timescale. [19:21]
asciilifeform thermodynamics takes mercy on no one. [19:22]
mircea_popescu sure, but that's a consideration on a different timescale. [19:22]
asciilifeform how's that [19:23]
mircea_popescu what do you mean how. yes all puppies eventually die, but that's not what we're talking about. [19:23]
mircea_popescu you have a maximal puppy density that allows the biomass in question to stay puppy-shaped [19:24]
asciilifeform hard to argue with this [19:27]
asciilifeform but how does it tie to the thread..? [19:27]
asciilifeform am i thick? [19:28]
* ben_vulpes would appreciate slightly less heavyweight metaphors too [19:28]
mircea_popescu well no, it's unrelated. hence the "infinitely more interesting news" [19:28]
asciilifeform ah! [19:28]
asciilifeform l0l [19:28]
asciilifeform and here i was breaking my brain. [19:29]
mircea_popescu anyway. maximal density is the killer. yes, obedient slave takes whipping. there's a maximal % of her time she can spend being whipped. [19:29]
mircea_popescu "In a rare bid for sanity, the Harford County School District had cancelled all field trips for students into Baltimore, as it is clearly an unsafe environment. The mulattress mayor [the same whore who let the city burn and then requested that 1,000 Somali refugees be settled in Baltimore] was outraged. Phone calls were made, and the school authorities waffled, and will now be sending their children into harm's way, wh [19:30]
mircea_popescu ere else, but in Harm City." [19:30]
mircea_popescu such hate speech. [19:30]
asciilifeform i can only assume that if this 'engine redline' is held for long enough, mircea_popescu will throw the chick back into the wild, or otherwise expel [19:31]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i don't believe in externalities. so, no. [19:31]
mircea_popescu or mebbe we're not talking about the same thing. hm. [19:32]
mircea_popescu the idea is! that the picture there linked is trying to mesh two unmeshable things. notice the dude is all like "business as usual, whatever". whereas in fact, it's nothing but! [19:32]
asciilifeform if she requires more whipping than is readily available [19:32]
mircea_popescu ah ah. but i was discussing recreational whipping not educational whipping. [19:33]
asciilifeform ah! [19:33]
asciilifeform i can't even tell, what is she doing [19:35]
asciilifeform to what is the brush attached ? [19:35]
asciilifeform and why is the dude sitting there idly [19:36]
mircea_popescu what dop you mean, attached ? she's holding it [19:36]
mircea_popescu but the idea is see, he's hanging out, the mistress sleeping (as if any woman sleeps in garter belt and high heels) and the slave doing doing houseworkl [19:37]
mircea_popescu with a fucking wrecking ball attached. [19:37]
asciilifeform i immediately thought that this picture was not intended to represent 'typical day in the life' but rather is a boschian thing [19:38]
mircea_popescu leaving aside the cramped environment : yes, woman can be made to do either. but it wouldn't be fucking sleep or fucking work. it'd be THIS. and this is not life, this is THIS. [19:38]
mircea_popescu it is very mujch a boschian thing, specifically because of this tension. [19:38]
asciilifeform aha, that much was clear [19:38]
mircea_popescu it has the unmistakable immaturity of virginal youth, unaware that pegs are round, holes are square. [19:38]
mircea_popescu you know, people who never kept slavegirls could conceivably dream up this alt-reality where slave girls go like this. [19:39]
mircea_popescu i suppose if we must have an aesop, someone who wasn';t ever gavin might imagine things about how being gavin is. [19:39]
mircea_popescu but still ... the pegs and the holes. [19:39]
asciilifeform it did not even occur to me that anyone would think this. [19:39]
mircea_popescu i know plenty of people who think exactly this. [19:40]
mircea_popescu ~exactly~ this. and very much don't want to think otherwise, either. [19:40]
asciilifeform if i show a picture of, e.g., chess players, what , viewer will assume that they play from dawn to dusk until they drop, and while cleaning the house, eating, shitting ? [19:40]
mircea_popescu it is possible. [19:40]
mircea_popescu if shown a cheesecake picture, they DO in fact imagine that the woman looks like that from dawn to dusk, while shitting, etc. [19:41]
asciilifeform i don't even sadomasochate but i always assumed that it was a hobby like any other [19:41]
mircea_popescu what shitting! cheesecake chicks don't even fart. [19:41]
asciilifeform you do it for some time and then do other thing [19:41]
mircea_popescu not quite. [19:41]
asciilifeform well sure, there is a certain amount of 'like sledding? like pulling sled too!' [19:42]
asciilifeform gotta set up household for the pets, etc? [19:42]
mircea_popescu not what i meant. depends on what variant one entertains etc, but there is such a thing where the slave's the slave throughout the day, do what she may. [19:43]
asciilifeform aha but still this involves more housework than walking with weights, i'd imagine ? [19:45]
mircea_popescu yeah i dunno why you'd be walking with weighs, big calves aren't particularly in demand. [19:45]
asciilifeform but i think i see where mircea_popescu is going, this is the old 'thirsty man thinks he can drink the sea' theorem [19:45]
mircea_popescu well... i guess. more akin to "boy sees no use for veggies, they're getting in the way of cake" [19:47]
asciilifeform more of how the boy might have problems grasping why his parents do anything other than eating cake [19:47]
mircea_popescu quite! [19:47]
mircea_popescu that does it. [19:47]
mircea_popescu i suspect every youthful generation's conviction the previous people are dumb and generally suck has a lot to do with this. [19:48]
asciilifeform and it does not take a heroic amount of introspection to find oneself int his picture [19:48]
asciilifeform i, for instance, am fixated on free time and escape from workschwitz [19:48]
asciilifeform can't imagine what i might possibly want, if had that [19:48]
mircea_popescu that's not bad caker. [19:48]
asciilifeform imagine if all the cake you ever got to eat was, say, 20 grams max [19:49]
asciilifeform so you know what it tastes like and that's it. [19:49]
mircea_popescu aha [19:50]
* asciilifeform had not done what most folks think of as 'vacation' since 2011 [19:52]
mircea_popescu i never did that. [19:52]
mircea_popescu vacation fucking sucks. [19:52]
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jurov when i was a kid i have imagined adults fulfill their desires in some secret magical way, so that they don't eat cake all the time [19:53]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu was never a slave, so probably can't even conceptualize it [19:53]
mircea_popescu no but seriously... spend some time doing SOMETHING OTHER than what you're doing ? dude, if i thought this is a good idea... i would just stop doing what i;m doing. that day. forever. wtf. [19:54]
mircea_popescu jurov not a bad working model for a preteen huh [19:54]
asciilifeform aha because mircea_popescu has a choice ! [19:54]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you know the monty python "there are two kinds of people" sketch ? [19:55]
asciilifeform no but i can easily picture where this goes [19:55]
asciilifeform 'there are mircea_popescus and there are offal, off to the fermentation vats, offal' [19:55]
mircea_popescu they pretend to be wilde, shaw and i dun recall who. [19:56]
mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxXW6tfl2Y0 [19:57]
assbot Writers (Wilde, Shaw) - Monty Python's Flying Circus - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1XmlBPJ ) [19:57]
mircea_popescu http://www.montypython.net/scripts/oscar.php << check it out, script available! [19:57]
assbot Monty Python: The Oscar Wilde Sketch ... ( http://bit.ly/1XmlG5Z ) [19:57]
jurov everyone has a choice. but choices have consequences, at least for mere mortals. [19:57]
asciilifeform ^ [19:58]
BingoBoingo Sufficient butthurt to fissure the anus https://archive.is/PPOg5 [19:58]
assbot As ClassicCoin Client Hits Release, Miners Formally Reject It : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1XmlL9C ) [19:58]
mircea_popescu choices have consequences for everyone. the "mere mortals" care about consequences. [19:58]
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asciilifeform if mircea_popescu 'doesn't care' - at all - how come he doesn't, e.g., factor rsa using everett's device ? [19:59]
asciilifeform all of the 'stop caring' theory really resolves to it, as i understand [19:59]
mircea_popescu because wtf do i care about rsa ? [19:59]
jurov for example i'm recently considering to close coinbr, it would simplify my life considerably as it tends to desync from mpex at the worst possible times [19:59]
asciilifeform so only because mircea_popescu has no key he urgently needs to break ? [19:59]
mircea_popescu i am, and for years have been, destroying the usg through everett's device. [20:00]
jurov but -- gotta eat. [20:00]
jurov or should i say fuck it? [20:00]
jurov dont care? [20:00]
mircea_popescu jurov http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=27-01-2016#1387080 [20:00]
assbot Logged on 27-01-2016 16:26:09; mircea_popescu: no one can tell a man what his fucking life looks like! [20:00]
asciilifeform btw there is a version that turing discovered everett's device before everett [20:02]
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asciilifeform and fired it. [20:02]
jurov but i can definitely tell myself that hacking trb and eulora client by deep immersion for days would be better life than this. [20:03]
jurov maybe someday when i learn to live off air. [20:04]
asciilifeform aha teach me also. [20:04]
mircea_popescu in other "life sucks" news, i've been trying to buy a red lacquered fine leather ball gag for the past fucking week. this country thinks itself a masterful leather manufacturer, NOBODY has it. [20:04]
mircea_popescu everybody has the same cheapo chinese 50cent crap they're trying to sell for 20 bux. [20:04]
asciilifeform l0l this is 3rd week now ? [20:05]
asciilifeform !s ball gag [20:05]
assbot 2 results for 'ball gag' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ball+gag [20:05]
mircea_popescu 2nd i guess. [20:05]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-02-2016#1393289 aha [20:05]
assbot Logged on 01-02-2016 22:03:10; mircea_popescu: in other news : mp decides new heels and dress would go very well with a shiny-red lacquered leather ball gag. proceeds to inquire with a dozen or so sex shops in the farming town. they ALL have the same exact item. [20:05]
asciilifeform jurov: i spend most of every day churning out crud that nobody will ~even read~ [20:06]
asciilifeform (most of the time, at any rate) [20:06]
mircea_popescu stop slandering the cosmococcic corporation alfie. [20:06]
jurov i'm not actually into who-has-it-worse contests [20:06]
asciilifeform l0l [20:07]
asciilifeform it isn't a ~bad job~ [20:07]
asciilifeform could be substantially worse. [20:07]
asciilifeform 'i thought i had a good job! but that was before i learned, how we'd make 'new and tasty' ! ' [20:08]
mircea_popescu to get back to the news, http://49.media.tumblr.com/7e5143d6c21be74b2aef262921920363/tumblr_nw9o4llWfR1qlne6uo1_500.gif [20:10]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Xmnc84 ) [20:10]
jurov if i found out nobody cares about my work, could not resist throwing in something spiteful [20:11]
mircea_popescu most of civilisation is built on trusted work by various people. who do you think reads most doctors' reports ? [20:11]
mircea_popescu actuaries could sink any firm, and nobody'd notice until after they did it - seen this one play out time and again on ws ever since the gaus copula bs [20:12]
BingoBoingo The lawyers? [20:12]
mircea_popescu and for that matter long before. [20:12]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo 1 in 1000 if that. [20:12]
mircea_popescu most software is never fucking read. [20:12]
BingoBoingo Depends where you are how many doctors notes get read by lawyers [20:12]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu is still thinking like a normal person in some honest non-soviet economy [20:15]
asciilifeform where things such as doctors and accountants exist [20:15]
mircea_popescu i did say civilisation. [20:15]
asciilifeform i'd like to visit civilization. [20:15]
mircea_popescu for the record, the us is an example of nothing and a measuring stick for nothing, [20:15]
mircea_popescu ghana is more relevant to any discussion than the united states. [20:16]
asciilifeform iirc ghana, like many abject shitholes, is 100% usgtronic [20:16]
mircea_popescu ghana existed long before the british were invented. [20:17]
asciilifeform iroquois also existed [20:17]
asciilifeform but modern usa is not them. [20:17]
asciilifeform ditto ghana. [20:17]
mircea_popescu well technically... the arabs conquered them. [20:18]
mircea_popescu but anyway, one of the few and far between actual cultures in africa. [20:18]
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mircea_popescu (ftr, the camel is not native to africa. was introduced, with an effect similar to the introduction of metalworking in europe) [20:18]
asciilifeform but mircea_popescu is right, the sheer phantasmagoric disconnect from physical reality in usaschwitz has no analogue anywhere else in known spacetime [20:19]
mircea_popescu a dream, no matter how shared, is not a thing, nor could be a thing, and so does not matter to any actual thing. [20:19]
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asciilifeform interestingly, camel was introduced to the americas in early 19th c [20:19]
asciilifeform and even took hold [20:19]
asciilifeform but for some reason nobody rides them [20:19]
asciilifeform (i am told that there are places where they can be.. hunted) [20:20]
mircea_popescu camel needs a lot of training to be ridden [20:21]
asciilifeform more than horse ? [20:21]
mircea_popescu think bronco busting, and then think camel is roughly 2x the size. [20:21]
asciilifeform ah this yes [20:21]
mircea_popescu much more than horse. for one thing, horse loves people. [20:21]
mircea_popescu camel, like mule, doesn';t really give a shit. [20:21]
mircea_popescu incidentally, the third person in the monty python sketch was whistler. "I shall be born when and where I want, and I do not choose to be born in Lowell." whistler. [20:24]
asciilifeform l0l! [20:25]
mircea_popescu and in further news of pseudopolicial boobality, http://36.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llvna1qKvT1qjngnjo1_1280.jpg [20:33]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Xmpmoe ) [20:33]
BingoBoingo Last American president Jefferson Davis signed of on the import of camels when he was just a Senator [20:42]
BingoBoingo "It is virtually impossible to overload a camel. When, in a camel's considered opinion, the load strapped to it is excessive; it simply will not rise. Neither cursing nor beatings will budge an overloaded camel." << http://www.desertusa.com/animals/desert-camel-experiment.html [20:45]
assbot Desert Camel in America's southwest deserts - DesertUSA ... ( http://bit.ly/1XmqwzS ) [20:45]
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gernika Interesting. Looks like camels originally evolved in North America. [20:52]
gernika well, the americas [20:52]
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BingoBoingo Well, prehistoric camels had some role, but creation does not have a block chain so until all bones are dug and cataloged there is an element of mystery here [20:55]
gernika I suppose DNA is not a blockchain? Proof of sex? [20:56]
BingoBoingo Random noise gets introduced, DNA does error correction poorly [20:56]
BingoBoingo I'm just disappointed giant ground sloths did not make it to the present [20:56]
BingoBoingo At one point there were the avacado's only natural predator [20:57]
gernika Damn Paleo-Indians. [20:59]
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BingoBoingo OMG THEY ARE ARMING THEM https://i.imgur.com/tkbuAZu.gifv [21:06]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1XmsGzL ) [21:07]
BingoBoingo ;;google naloxegol [21:09]
gribble Naloxegol for Opioid-Induced Constipation in Patients with ...: ; Naloxegol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; MOVANTIK™ (naloxegol) | Mu-Opioid Receptor Antagonist: [21:09]
BingoBoingo ^ The truly weird drugs they market nowadays [21:10]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo wait, are those NAVY seals ? [21:39]
mircea_popescu in other news, ritter sayz http://dpaste.com/0Y74S4S [21:40]
assbot dpaste: 0Y74S4S ... ( http://bit.ly/1QZ8dyc ) [21:40]
mircea_popescu the fellow is quite intelligent - his point about nature not being deceptive is especially cogent. [21:42]
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shinohai https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&oldid=36639732#User:Gmaxwell LOL [21:50]
assbot Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1KJjsLO ) [21:50]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the 'otp failed' part is idiocy [21:50]
asciilifeform if someone plants a mine under your car, 'cars have failed' ? [21:51]
shinohai thanx r/buttcoin, never saw that before [21:51]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform depends what you trust cars to do. [21:51]
mircea_popescu yes, jeeps have failed the afghanistan campaign [21:51]
asciilifeform to not jump up 200 metres suddenly ? [21:52]
mircea_popescu right ? [21:52]
asciilifeform but this is still idiocy, because otp is the ~definitional~ strong cipher. it is provably ludicrous to ask for a cipher in any sense whatsoever stronger than otp. [21:53]
asciilifeform it is like asking for a quantity smaller than 0. [21:53]
asciilifeform or a rational root of 2. [21:53]
asciilifeform 'Natural law can be complex and confusing, but not deliberately deceptive, so it is not surprising that techniques refined for understanding nature do not well address the cryptographic contest.' << this point is originally due to j. randi [21:55]
asciilifeform where he discussed the utter inability of, e.g., physicists, to properly confront professional flimflam artists [21:55]
asciilifeform 'The Rosenbergs were traitors who damaged worldwide security and got what they deserved' << mega-l0l [21:57]
asciilifeform 'One example of the larger problem is that virtually all modern ciphering occurs on a general purpose computer. Our overall model of computation, upon which correctness in ciphering rests, does not include malware. ... [lengthy discussion of irrelevant crud assuming reader uses winbl0wz snipped]' [21:59]
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asciilifeform 'If we accept the need for "hardware" encryption, we can talk about somehow originating a "pristine hardware system" to run it. But that also means maintaining a pristine (largely static) development system to build it.This, in a web environment designed to cause dynamic change and incidentally transport malware. That seems unlikely, but even if that worked, it means ending up with a cipher system which never allows algorith [22:01]
asciilifeform mic change, which only then becomes a secure basis for ciphering. We see none of that. None' << >> 'heavier than air flight requires an engine that is like our steam plant but weighs no more than 100kg. this cannot exist' [22:01]
asciilifeform 'But where has all this been exposed as "unfulfilled assumptions" by the academic examination of cryptography? Where is their "proof" now?' >> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1390&cpage=1#comment-8475 etc [22:02]
assbot Loper OS » Of Decaying Urbits. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KJkM1o ) [22:02]
asciilifeform the man is intelligent, but the sheer magnitude of the 'learned helplessness' is astonishing even to me. [22:03]
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asciilifeform normally it is at this point when a fella is expected to mutter something about making machines from discrete transistors or ttl [22:03]
asciilifeform and i kept waiting, waiting for that paragraph [22:03]
asciilifeform but it never came. [22:03]
asciilifeform i diagnose a severe, possibly life-threatening failure of the imagination... [22:04]
danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1403016 << sheesh sorry. It won't happen again. [22:06]
assbot Logged on 11-02-2016 20:10:22; BingoBoingo: ;;later tell danielpbarron please to stop using twitter messaging feature. [22:06]
danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1403205 << I care! And I would be very sorry to see coinbr shut down. [22:06]
assbot Logged on 11-02-2016 23:07:05; jurov: if i found out nobody cares about my work, could not resist throwing in something spiteful [22:06]
danielpbarron would it help if there weren't any expectation of speedy order matching? I don't really care about sniping so much as setting long term orders and letting it sit for a while [22:07]
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asciilifeform in unrelated, non-at-all-nyooz, but very spiffy: http://www.devic.us/hacks/anatomy-z80-gate [22:32]
assbot The Anatomy of a Z80 Gate - Baltazar's Hacks ... ( http://bit.ly/20Pbubx ) [22:32]
asciilifeform ^ especially for mircea_popescu [22:33]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85447 @ 0.00055268 = 47.2248 BTC [-] {2} [23:43]
mircea_popescu shinohai what's that all about ? [23:43]
shinohai I'm not sure, more r/btc drama I haven't read through yet. I had to stop reading and help a buddy fix his broken core wallet. [23:48]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron> would it help if there weren't any expectation of speedy order matching? I don't really care about sniping so much as setting long term orders and letting it sit for a while << kinda the entite fucking point of a broker in the first place. [23:49]
mircea_popescu i have nfi idea who even entertains the nonsense of the "internet trader" mind, but it's beyond fucking ridiculous. [23:49]
mircea_popescu kids should just go snipe hunting like their grandfathers instead. [23:50]
mircea_popescu http://www.devic.us/hacks/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2013/11/baltazar-small.jpg << lol that jew's adorbs. [23:51]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1SL6mRw ) [23:51]
mircea_popescu and in class cutting news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/8a6a52bee47d6be2fb5e4038ce79feb9/tumblr_nrqrymGFeu1uu92gho1_1280.jpg [23:59]
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