Forum logs for 09 May 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.0425 = 0.1275 BTC [+]	[00:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.074 = 0.148 BTC [-] {2}	[00:03]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.145 BTC [+]	[00:03]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.074 = 0.148 BTC [-]	[00:04]
benkay	http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303417104579544072639525550?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702303417104579544072639525550.html	[00:04]
benkay	"Mr. Anderson acknowledged that technical hurdles and cost considerations have turned the initial vision into a distant dream."	[00:05]
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benkay	cold fusion, asteroid mining..."just ten years away!"	[00:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.0425 = 0.17 BTC [+]	[00:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 101 @ 0.0410297 = 4.144 BTC [-] {2}	[00:06]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.074 = 0.148 BTC [-]	[00:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.0425 = 0.1275 BTC [+]	[00:08]
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kakobrekla	;;later tell mike_c http://bitbet.us/stats/ + ?json is up	[00:23]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[00:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34850 @ 0.00087706 = 30.5655 BTC [-] {2}	[00:29]
mircea_popescu	benkay two weeks!	[00:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49750 @ 0.00087655 = 43.6084 BTC [-] {4}	[00:34]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 3 @ 0.1333333 = 0.4 BTC [-]	[00:35]
BingoBoingo	;;rate csshih 1 Flashlights delivered	[00:36]
gribble	Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.	[00:36]
BingoBoingo	;;rate csshih 1 Flashlights delivered	[00:36]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user csshih has been recorded.	[00:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 9 @ 0.0425 = 0.3825 BTC [+]	[00:37]
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BingoBoingo	flashlights may or may not be euphamism	[00:44]
pankkake	http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-foundation-announces-blockchain-awards-shortlist/ top lel	[00:44]
mike_c	kakobrekla: looking good!	[00:45]
pankkake	http://games.slashdot.org/story/14/05/08/1910227/the-next-unreal-tournament-totally-free-developed-by-public Epic copying MiniGame	[00:47]
ozbot	The Next Unreal Tournament: Totally Free, Developed By Public - Slashdot	[00:47]
mike_c	an award for "best ATM design".. awesome.	[00:52]
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pankkake	is "ATM" used outside of the US?	[00:55]
mike_c	what do you call them?	[00:55]
pankkake	I believe it means ass to mouth to most of the world	[00:56]
mike_c	heh.	[00:56]
pankkake	distributeur, i.e. distributor	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	!up michiel_l_	[00:56]
assbot	Voicing michiel_l_ for 30 minutes.	[00:56]
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michiel_l_	hi mircea_popescu, thx	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	yw	[00:56]
kakobrekla	mike_c your glasses are now facebook glasses http://newsroom.fb.com/news/2014/03/facebook-to-acquire-oculus/	[00:57]
kakobrekla	but you prolly already knew that.	[00:57]
davout	hory shet http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=xCghuT0Cx7E#t=249	[01:00]
fluffypony	pankkake: we use ATM here	[01:00]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19150 @ 0.00087672 = 16.7892 BTC [+]	[01:01]
mircea_popescu	http://txdoc.tumblr.com/post/74764238292	[01:05]
ozbot	Married White Wives Love BBC	[01:05]
fluffypony	I'm starting to suspect that the bulk of the AMC "investors" need their heads read	[01:08]
mircea_popescu	a btc psychiatrist would do brisk biznis	[01:09]
jurov	they need what?	[01:09]
jurov	ah psychiatry...but who'd pay for that ? their "investors"?	[01:10]
*	jurov starts IPO for dotcoin psychiatric examination	[01:11]
jurov	best when disguised on bitcoin bourse itself	[01:11]
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fluffypony	of cours	[01:12]
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jurov	!up mjr_	[01:14]
assbot	Voicing mjr_ for 30 minutes.	[01:14]
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jurov	poor mjr_	[01:14]
jurov	i fear his satoshi squares got regulated	[01:16]
mike_c	kakobrekla: yeah, not happy about that.	[01:19]
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fluffypony	wtf	[01:25]
fluffypony	I got accused of being MP again	[01:25]
fluffypony	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=462370.msg6621186#msg6621186	[01:26]
ozbot	[ActiveMining] Official Shareholder Discussion Thread [Moderated]	[01:26]
davout	"jurov starts IPO for dotcoin psychiatric examination" <<< shut up and take my money	[01:27]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20150 @ 0.00087672 = 17.6659 BTC [+]	[01:27]
*	jurov puts his blackhat on and goes after kakobrekla	[01:27]
jurov	http://bitbet.us/stats/1JfDCqAV5EGtVx1tezT79uocfThcJviAKS/?json is not valid json	[01:27]
jurov	ValueError: Expecting , delimiter: line 1 column 1338 (char 1337)	[01:27]
jurov	1337, but invalid	[01:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35800 @ 0.00087593 = 31.3583 BTC [-]	[01:29]
davout	jurov: seems to load fine for me	[01:30]
kakobrekla	jurov argues double quote is not properly escaped or some such	[01:30]
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jurov	mea culpa,	[01:31]
jurov	i copypasted it instead of properly fetching it	[01:31]
pankkake	fluffypony: it's amazing how the MP paranoia spread	[01:32]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[01:32]
fluffypony	yeah	[01:33]
fluffypony	it seems to be the knee-jerk reaction when someone says something you don't agree with on the securities sub-foru	[01:34]
fluffypony	*forum	[01:34]
pankkake	my psychologist take is that it's more convenient to have one dissenter. you're more right because numbers	[01:34]
pankkake	or paid by someone. activemining "trolls" were said to be paid by… hashfast	[01:35]
pankkake	I wonder why pbkdf2 has such a horrible name. perhaps a NSA conspiracy so no one uses it	[01:36]
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davout	http://techcrunch.com/2014/05/08/bitpay-index/	[01:37]
ozbot	BitPay Is Raising $30M At A $160M Valuation From Index, Richard Branson \| TechCrunch	[01:37]
pankkake	I'm not sure why they would even need that	[01:39]
davout	pankkake: probably getting msb licenses in 50 states	[01:39]
davout	might not even be enough	[01:39]
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davout	expanding to europe	[01:39]
pankkake	well, I hope it's something like that	[01:40]
davout	cutting a middle-man by opening an exchange	[01:40]
davout	who knows	[01:40]
pankkake	BitPay already werks in EU	[01:40]
davout	like the msb license thing?	[01:40]
pankkake	probably not	[01:40]
davout	bitpay has an office in amsterdam, they're not licensed in any way which is going to be necessary for them	[01:40]
davout	if they want to do business in europe	[01:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4337 @ 0.00087672 = 3.8023 BTC [+]	[01:41]
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mike_c	http://jsonlint.com/ didn't complain	[01:47]
ozbot	JSONLint - The JSON Validator.	[01:47]
mike_c	oh, sorry, missed backtrack	[01:47]
pankkake	what is there to lint in json? it's a pretty strict format	[01:48]
mike_c	nothing to 'lint', it's just a handy verifier	[01:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03159196 = 0.1264 BTC [-] {2}	[01:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.0313001 = 0.2504 BTC [-] {2}	[01:50]
kakobrekla	even jsonlint doesnt fail on jurovs url	[01:51]
mike_c	yeah, it's right (like jurov said)	[01:53]
mircea_popescu	* jurov starts IPO for dotcoin psychiatric examination << this	[01:58]
mircea_popescu	you could like, take their money anbd then provide help in the ipo threa	[01:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30150 @ 0.00087977 = 26.5251 BTC [+] {2}	[01:59]
mircea_popescu	I got accused of being MP again << and what's your point ?	[02:00]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: that the accusation makes no sense	[02:00]
mircea_popescu	https://imgur.com/gallery/IVAts?no-script=true << if anyone needs visual aids for the tardstalk forum	[02:00]
ozbot	Girls are graceful, god dammit. - Imgur	[02:00]
mircea_popescu	;;ud sense	[02:01]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sense \| something you can make, but only if you are born with it, althoug everyone has 5, some people can have 6 or more as well. You can also have a sense...	[02:01]
ozbot	Urban Dictionary: sense	[02:01]
mircea_popescu	never heard of it.	[02:01]
fluffypony	it's like they are honestly convinced that the only person who could be critical is you	[02:01]
fluffypony	anyone else who is critical must be you	[02:01]
mircea_popescu	don't take it so hard : maybe anyone whose head works must be me.	[02:01]
fluffypony	well my reply got deleted by the thread moderator	[02:02]
mircea_popescu	serves you right, me.	[02:02]
fluffypony	apparently I wasn't circlejerky enough	[02:02]
fluffypony	how dare I question the Great Kennith	[02:02]
mircea_popescu	who ?	[02:03]
fluffypony	Sir Kennith Slaughter	[02:04]
fluffypony	Owner Extrodinaire	[02:04]
mircea_popescu	lol is the spelling accurate ?	[02:04]
fluffypony	nfi	[02:04]
fluffypony	maybe it's Kenneth	[02:04]
mircea_popescu	wait, you are actually in the active miner thread arguing with people ?	[02:05]
fluffypony	I was for all of 2 posts	[02:05]
fluffypony	3 maybe	[02:05]
mircea_popescu	::rate fluffypony -1 has no inkling of a clue as to what time management is	[02:05]
fluffypony	hah hah	[02:05]
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pankkake	I do not check the "remember me" case anymore, it helps	[02:06]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 77 @ 0.00603234 = 0.4645 BTC [-] {8}	[02:07]
pankkake	http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-to-buy-beats-2014-5	[02:08]
ozbot	Apple To Buy Beats - Business Insider	[02:08]
jurov	flyypy hopes to get on your payroll	[02:12]
jurov	*fluffy	[02:12]
fluffypony	jurov: I was actually trying to be helpful, I just get a bit snarky and sarcastic when I'm being helpful to morons	[02:12]
fluffypony	apparently they didn't appreciate my wit.	[02:13]
mircea_popescu	so i've been having this weeklong discussion with this polish economist guy. the results are the most fucking improbable shit. for instance... i just comitted to the proposition that there's no such thing as "fixed income" and the whole class is nonsense.	[02:14]
mircea_popescu	i will end up kidnapped by senior finance types and fucking burned at the stake for my numerous heresies.	[02:15]
fluffypony	lol	[02:15]
kakobrekla	;;later tell artifexd bitbet.us/browse/ now supports ?json	[02:15]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[02:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10288 @ 0.00088023 = 9.0558 BTC [+]	[02:15]
mircea_popescu	at any rate, i tell you, this is why i'm in bitcoin. like once or even twice a month i have this "omfg i can not believe what i'm arguing" moment.	[02:15]
mircea_popescu	entirely novel experience for me.	[02:16]
mircea_popescu	also this line appears in the log as #666555	[02:17]
mircea_popescu	111 to go.	[02:17]
fluffypony	nice	[02:17]
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kakobrekla	109	[02:18]
kakobrekla	who will be the lucky winner	[02:18]
mircea_popescu	urmom 108 ?	[02:18]
dub	1'm in bitcoin cause ur mom is in bitcoin and im in ur mom	[02:18]
fluffypony	deep	[02:18]
fluffypony	very deep	[02:18]
mircea_popescu	in urmom.	[02:19]
fluffypony	;;seen urmom	[02:19]
gribble	I have not seen urmom.	[02:19]
fluffypony	damn straight, gribble.	[02:19]
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mircea_popescu	https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/464545309935542272	[02:20]
ozbot	Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: " 1'm in #bitcoin ...	[02:20]
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mircea_popescu	;;google 97	[02:20]
gribble	HOT 97 \| Where Hip Hop Lives: ; 97 (number) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; 96.9 Buffalo's 97 Rock - Buffalo:	[02:20]
mircea_popescu	wikipedia has a page dedicated to the number 97 ? bouvard & pecuchet live!	[02:21]
mircea_popescu	~This article does not cite any references or sources.~	[02:21]
mircea_popescu	97 (ninety-seven) is the natural number following 96 and preceding 98.	[02:21]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18759 @ 0.00088089 = 16.5246 BTC [+] {3}	[02:24]
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fluffypony	sleep time, night	[02:27]
jurov	https://media.gractions.com/314A5A5A9ABBBBC5E3BD824CF47C46EF4B9D3A76/5f8d4168-c36a-4f78-b048-f5d48b18dc0a.pdf	[02:28]
jurov	^ about silkroad 2.0 and clones	[02:29]
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kakobrekla	mp: the title on the bet is expanded now	[02:31]
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mircea_popescu	kakobrekla love you!	[02:32]
jurov	About assassination market: The target that had “amassed” the biggest bounty surprised us. That person is not an elected official. We decided to not include that person’s name here	[02:32]
jurov	hm... any guess?	[02:32]
mircea_popescu	me ?	[02:32]
jurov	lol	[02:32]
jurov	i actually don't know myself	[02:32]
jurov	We will say that the fund to assassinate	[02:33]
jurov	this person was up to 124.22 bitcoins, or around $124,220	[02:33]
jurov	imo not very serious	[02:33]
benkay	ben bernanke?	[02:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 157 @ 0.07612777 = 11.9521 BTC [+] {9}	[02:34]
jurov	he is elected in some sense, no?	[02:34]
mircea_popescu	notrly, but they prolly don't know what words mean so ok	[02:34]
mike_c	karpales?	[02:34]
mike_c	*eles	[02:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 91 @ 0.07776858 = 7.0769 BTC [+] {4}	[02:35]
jurov	i don;t have access to tor atm, someone else can check... but it's fun to guess, no?	[02:35]
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jurov	i'm guessing bieber	[02:36]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.BBET] 350 @ 0.00051 = 0.1785 BTC [-]	[02:37]
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moiety	evening	[02:39]
mircea_popescu	moiety hey	[02:40]
moiety	how's your day been?	[02:41]
mircea_popescu	jurov maybe it's satoshi	[02:41]
mircea_popescu	pretty great	[02:41]
pankkake	the guy won't add things like bieber	[02:42]
pankkake	and the assmarket hasn't seen much action even after the news coverage	[02:42]
pankkake	IIRC number one is bernanke, second obama	[02:43]
kakobrekla	[MPEX] [S.BBET] 350 @ 0.00051 = 0.1785 BTC [-] < clearly i should not be adding any more features to bbet, shareholders have spoken.	[02:43]
benkay	today's fun adventures in openssl!	[02:44]
kakobrekla	in fact, let me undo todays work right away!	[02:44]
benkay	on one of the many many many api's available for derping through openssl, loading the public key in first and then the private key results in garbage out	[02:44]
benkay	BUT DONE THE OTHER WAY IT WORKS!	[02:44]
benkay	kakobrekla: also for some reason my rss reader started complaining about bitbet.us/rss/new/ today.	[02:45]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.03103945 = 0.2483 BTC [-] {4}	[02:46]
pankkake	http://i.imgur.com/BPTVguN.png	[02:46]
moiety	site was attacked yesterday. up and fixed now though	[02:47]
kakobrekla	benkay anything specific ?	[02:48]
benkay	trying to figure it out :(	[02:48]
benkay	it's a derpy reader.	[02:48]
artifexd	mircea_popescu: There's an entire website dedicated to how numbers are interesting: http://numbersapi.com/ There's lots of cool stuff in there.	[02:49]
moiety	pankkake: seems some's dead pools are more popular than others lol	[02:49]
artifexd	For example: http://numbersapi.com/199/trivia	[02:50]
artifexd	kakobrekla: Sweet. Thanks!	[02:51]
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mircea_popescu	artifexd yeah but...	[02:51]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla lol	[02:52]
artifexd	I only brought it up because you were talking about number entries in wikipedia	[02:52]
mircea_popescu	but i mean... a collection of trivialities is not an encyclopedia	[02:53]
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artifexd	I didn't mean to imply that it was. It is just a source of useless (but interesting to me) information. That's it. I didn't mean anything deep or important. Just a "hey, there's this thing that you may, or may not, find interesting".	[02:56]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 76 @ 0.07852529 = 5.9679 BTC [+] {6}	[02:59]
mircea_popescu	nono, you said!	[03:00]
mircea_popescu	moiety so what are you up to these days	[03:01]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3420 @ 0.00087895 = 3.006 BTC [-]	[03:01]
mircea_popescu	http://edition.cnn.com/2014/05/07/tech/social-media/nsa-coded-tweet/index.html	[03:01]
ozbot	Behind the NSA's mysterious coded tweet - CNN.com	[03:01]
mircea_popescu	kinda derpy pitch	[03:01]
moiety	mircea_popescu, figuring out what to do next with my time really, which is hampered by trying to sort out house things recently. i have a deadline now.	[03:02]
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moiety	i thought that re nsa and tweeter, like trying to play like cicada and getting it terribly wrong	[03:03]
mircea_popescu	doesn't sound like so much fun	[03:03]
moiety	not particularly, but it'll all work out :]	[03:03]
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moiety	once one thing gets sorted, all the rest will be easier i think	[03:05]
moiety	i work better to deadlines anyways, wee bit of pressure did no one any harm	[03:06]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 83 @ 0.041 = 3.403 BTC [-] {2}	[03:10]
BingoBoingo	Oh, anyone want to guess what my blood pressure was today?	[03:13]
mircea_popescu	212	[03:14]
BingoBoingo	Lower, I'm not Kenneth Slaughter	[03:15]
mircea_popescu	lol	[03:15]
BingoBoingo	Was a healthy 121/66	[03:17]
mircea_popescu	o hey wd.	[03:18]
BingoBoingo	Thanks, Probably all of this damn tramadol keeping it that low.	[03:19]
BingoBoingo	I'm not sure I like this new doctor though, too young.	[03:20]
moiety	thats really good BB :] everything go alright then?	[03:20]
BingoBoingo	Eh, could have gone better, just more of the same for another week and see from there	[03:20]
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moiety	hope things keep improving	[03:21]
moiety	i don't take well on tramadol at all	[03:21]
BingoBoingo	Eh, NSAIDs weren't doing anything and this does something. They seem to scarcely prescribe much else anymore.	[03:22]
moiety	this is true. it mimics how the body takes to other things. this doesn't translate well in me. tramadol is one of things people either do really well or really badly on.	[03:23]
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moiety	tim, the bike crash guy, he loves it	[03:23]
BingoBoingo	I'd rather just go back to drinking, but these antibiotics...	[03:23]
moiety	theres only one antibiotic you cant drink on, its a myth	[03:24]
moiety	it begins with M and i cant remember what it is	[03:24]
BingoBoingo	There's plenty where it is ill advised.	[03:24]
BingoBoingo	Just because there is one building in town that will kill you for sure if you jump from it doesn't mean jumping from the other ones is an idea worth endorsing.	[03:25]
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mircea_popescu	!up NormDePloome	[03:29]
assbot	Voicing NormDePloome for 30 minutes.	[03:29]
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moiety	BingoBoingo: what i mean is i think the biggest issue is drowsiness. theres only one that will make a person sick -- that i know of	[03:41]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.1333333 = 0.2667 BTC [-]	[03:59]
kakobrekla	http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/05/08/winklevoss-twins-to-list-bitcoin-fund-on-nasdaq/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=1&	[04:01]
kakobrekla	yea yea i know this is old by now	[04:02]
kakobrekla	here a question, you know whats the thing with winklevoss twins and redundancy?	[04:02]
kakobrekla	they both are.	[04:03]
mircea_popescu	lol	[04:06]
kakobrekla	btw	[04:10]
kakobrekla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-05-2014#666666	[04:10]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[04:10]
kakobrekla	i just saw the proposition on bbet	[04:10]
mircea_popescu	what's that ?	[04:10]
kakobrekla	>MP takes devil's crown	[04:11]
mircea_popescu	um	[04:11]
mircea_popescu	link ?	[04:11]
kakobrekla	http://bitbet.us/propositions/	[04:11]
ozbot	BitBet Propositions	[04:11]
mircea_popescu	oh lol	[04:12]
kakobrekla	someone from ba must have made it	[04:12]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-05-2014#666666	[04:12]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[04:12]
mircea_popescu	assbot got it	[04:12]
kakobrekla	yup	[04:12]
mircea_popescu	seems fitting	[04:12]
kakobrekla	well tbh i can make it go either way	[04:12]
mircea_popescu	hm ?	[04:13]
kakobrekla	edit the log	[04:14]
kakobrekla	doh	[04:14]
mircea_popescu	lol	[04:14]
mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/	[04:14]
ozbot	BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1007.73 B (95%) on Yes, 47.56 B (5%) on No	[04:14]
mircea_popescu	splendid	[04:14]
kakobrekla	this is wrong	[04:14]
kakobrekla	it should be	[04:14]
kakobrekla		[04:14]
kakobrekla	:(	[04:14]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 1007.73 / (1007.73+47.56)	[04:14]
gribble	0.954931819689	[04:14]
kakobrekla	does ; break it?	[04:15]
kakobrekla	or is there a length limit	[04:15]
mircea_popescu	prolly.	[04:15]
mircea_popescu	replace the ; see	[04:15]
kakobrekla	who owns it again?	[04:15]
mircea_popescu	Jezzz	[04:15]
mircea_popescu	this may actually be a vuln lol.	[04:15]
kakobrekla	http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/	[04:16]
ozbot	BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1007.73 B (95%) on Yes, 47.56 B (5%) on No	[04:16]
kakobrekla	nope	[04:16]
kakobrekla	seems to be length issue or smth	[04:17]
kakobrekla	except if it also breaks on \|	[04:17]
kakobrekla	but this, unlikely.	[04:17]
kakobrekla	Jezzz make it fix ?	[04:18]
kakobrekla	http://bitbet.us/bet/635/1btc-10-000-usd/	[04:19]
ozbot	BitBet - 1BTC >= $10,000 USD :: 75 B (17%) on Yes, 373.87 B (83%) on No \| closing in 6 months 1 week	[04:19]
kakobrekla	myea	[04:20]
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thestringpuller	lol i came back to my computer at an interesting time	[04:20]
thestringpuller	har har har	[04:20]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: the newest Trilema header may be the best yet	[04:20]
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nubbins`	^	[04:21]
nubbins`	when we work out our deal to publish trilema excerpts in dead-tree format, that should be on the cover.	[04:22]
thestringpuller	nubbins`! i've been looking for you :P	[04:22]
thestringpuller	i need more quotes and estimates and shit	[04:22]
nubbins`	sure, lay it on me	[04:23]
thestringpuller	;;ident	[04:23]
gribble	Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is not identified.	[04:23]
thestringpuller	damn	[04:23]
thestringpuller	one sec	[04:23]
nubbins`	me: "why am i so cold?"	[04:23]
nubbins`	"oh yeah, i just gobbled a pint of ice cream"	[04:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2530 @ 0.00087895 = 2.2237 BTC [-]	[04:24]
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thestringpuller	;;ident	[04:25]
gribble	Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None	[04:25]
thestringpuller	there we go	[04:25]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller it's old you know.	[04:25]
thestringpuller	i just haven't been reading trilema long enough yet	[04:25]
thestringpuller	either that or you don't do repeats often or ever :P	[04:25]
thestringpuller	but no i did not know that ;)	[04:26]
mircea_popescu	abouyt every 2 yars :D	[04:26]
nubbins`	(pirate years for all ye landlubbers)	[04:26]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[04:27]
kakobrekla	http://kotaku.com/japanese-man-arrested-for-having-guns-made-with-a-3d-pr-1573358490	[04:29]
ozbot	Japanese Man Arrested for Having Guns Made with a 3D Printer	[04:29]
nubbins`	illegal shapes	[04:31]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 16 @ 0.06474168 = 1.0359 BTC [-]	[04:32]
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PLambert	did you see the article about the guy who accidently got shipped a drone by US gov? he should have sold it on silkroad :)	[04:33]
PLambert	http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2622919/UPS-accidentally-delivers-350K-US-government-DRONE-college-student-ordered-weightlifting-bench.html	[04:34]
ozbot	UPS accidentally delivers a $350K US government DRONE to college student who ordered a weightlifting	[04:34]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27822 @ 0.00087895 = 24.4541 BTC [-] {2}	[04:42]
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thestringpuller	;;ticker	[04:48]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 444.55, Best ask: 446.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.45000, Last trade: 446.0, 24 hour volume: 6767.10378919, 24 hour low: 437.61, 24 hour high: 450.08, 24 hour vwap: 443.839985864	[04:48]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 25 @ 0.041 = 1.025 BTC [-]	[04:51]
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BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all	[04:53]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 446.99, vol: 6766.18252863 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 432.733, vol: 4547.59339 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 443.01, vol: 3414.96020012 \| CampBX BTCUSD last: 439.98, vol: 19.02559558 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 441.29475, vol: 2365.35030000 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 441.809, vol: 5.98963694 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 442.752, vol: 30.20807873 \| Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)	[04:53]
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BingoBoingo	http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/05/08/the_navy_s_new_secure_e_readers_are_called_nerd.html	[04:54]
ozbot	The Navy's new, secure e-readers are called NeRD.	[04:54]
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moiety	is it just the uk that keeps bumping up passport prices every five minutes?	[05:01]
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moiety	i'll be more to renew than i was in the first place	[05:02]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17495 @ 0.0008799 = 15.3939 BTC [+] {2}	[05:08]
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dub	!jd mpif	[05:17]
assbot	Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 163.99003536 BTC; +0.01152900 BTC (+0.0070%) since last check 10h 41m 29s ago.	[05:17]
TheNewDeal	didn't it start with like 50?	[05:20]
TheNewDeal	or was there a btc/atc combo investment?	[05:21]
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Duffer1	50 is correct	[05:21]
Duffer1	perhaps it was expanded?	[05:22]
Duffer1	a 3x gain seems unlikely	[05:22]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00087895 = 5.9329 BTC [-]	[05:26]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6 @ 0.041 = 0.246 BTC [-]	[05:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07897949 = 0.158 BTC [+] {2}	[05:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00087723 = 21.4921 BTC [-] {3}	[05:32]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.041 = 0.123 BTC [-]	[05:36]
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decimation	"indles, iPads, and other tablets/e-readers are currently forbidden on Navy vessels. They take up space, and, more importantly, can be a security threat because of connectivity points like wi-fi, expandable storage, and USB ports."	[05:40]
decimation	Cargo-cult security	[05:40]
decimation	as long as none of the objects in the area have the evil ports, the security gods shall be pleased and grant us the anti-snowden	[05:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 500 @ 0.0002311 = 0.1156 BTC [-]	[05:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00087646 = 5.3902 BTC [-]	[05:45]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0315 = 0.1575 BTC [+]	[05:47]
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decimation	http://lionoftheblogosphere.wordpress.com/2014/04/30/robots-and-restaurants/ When rich people do go out to eat, they will not want to be served by robots, so high-end restaurants will still have human waitstaff. As I?ve pointed out before, many people who aren?t born rich will only be able to make money if they have the ability to entertain the rich or make them feel good about themselves.	[06:03]
ozbot	Robots and restaurants \| Lion of the Blogosphere	[06:03]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0788 = 0.3152 BTC [-]	[06:10]
decimation	http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/biz/archives/2014/04/26/2003588896/1 I didn't see this linked here yet. $324 million for 64k people = $5k before lawyer's cut	[06:13]
ozbot	Tech firms agree to settle hiring suit - Taipei Times	[06:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 40 @ 0.03075268 = 1.2301 BTC [-] {4}	[06:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00088041 = 10.741 BTC [+]	[06:13]
TheNewDeal	nice deal	[06:14]
decimation	"Sorry we fixed your wages for years. Have a free macbook"	[06:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.07897498 = 1.2636 BTC [+] {2}	[06:14]
decimation	The ceos all agreed that the lawsuit sucked, and the lawyers agreed to have a payday! The beta engineers, who already accepted years of being screwed, have accepted being screwed again.	[06:17]
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decimation	!down	[06:24]
assbot	Need a nickname, decimation.	[06:24]
decimation	!down decimation	[06:24]
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assbot	[MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 1000 @ 0.00021725 = 0.2173 BTC [+]	[06:47]
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mircea_popescu	perhaps it was expanded? >> 50 then 113	[06:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4750 @ 0.00087671 = 4.1644 BTC [+]	[07:05]
artifexd	mircea_popescu or kakobrekla Can you straighten me out on some terminology?	[07:09]
kakobrekla	in regards to what	[07:10]
artifexd	Bitbet	[07:10]
kakobrekla	well i can give it a shot	[07:10]
artifexd	A proposition is an unapproved bet, right?	[07:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12974 @ 0.00088054 = 11.4241 BTC [+] {2}	[07:10]
kakobrekla	yea	[07:10]
artifexd	What is it called after it is approved?	[07:11]
artifexd	A bet?	[07:11]
kakobrekla	yea	[07:11]
artifexd	What do people place on that bet?	[07:11]
kakobrekla	bets :)	[07:11]
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artifexd	There's my confusion. Bet refers to the thing being placed and the thing upon which it is placed.	[07:11]
kakobrekla	correct	[07:11]
artifexd	Well... fuck	[07:12]
kakobrekla	its lispy!	[07:12]
artifexd	Do you have different names for them in your database?	[07:13]
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kakobrekla	different from what	[07:13]
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artifexd	I imagine that there is a database with a table of bets and a table of, uh, bets. Both tables can't be called bets.	[07:14]
TheNewDeal	bets and betbets	[07:14]
artifexd	lol	[07:14]
artifexd	It would fit with the twitter names: BitBets and BitBetsBets	[07:15]
kakobrekla	hehe did you take that from twitter TheNewDeal ?	[07:15]
kakobrekla	hehe	[07:15]
TheNewDeal	getting all the lelz tonight	[07:16]
artifexd	I guess I'll just go with "New bet created" vs "New bet placed"	[07:16]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18550 @ 0.00088119 = 16.3461 BTC [+]	[07:31]
TheNewDeal	tim-tams	[07:31]
tim-tams	thenewdeal hey	[07:31]
TheNewDeal	you came here searching for knowledge?	[07:31]
tim-tams	looking for a sponsor actually haha	[07:31]
TheNewDeal	what exactly is this?	[07:31]
tim-tams	"this" as in the sponsorship?	[07:32]
TheNewDeal	yeahs	[07:32]
tim-tams	I run YouMeAndBTC.com and host the weekly podcast there	[07:32]
TheNewDeal	what would that be	[07:32]
tim-tams	we're headed to a Bitcoin conference and are gonna interview some people	[07:32]
tim-tams	looking for a sponsor who would be mentioned every time we talk about the conference in our show	[07:33]
tim-tams	some banner space included too	[07:33]
TheNewDeal	for how much	[07:33]
tim-tams	our budget for the whole trip is $1400 and I got one sponsor for half that. So $700 more for an equal spot	[07:34]
tim-tams	I can provide a more detailed budget if you so desire	[07:34]
TheNewDeal	not too concerned	[07:34]
TheNewDeal	wheres the conference?	[07:34]
tim-tams	Washington DC	[07:34]
tim-tams	Bitcoin in the Beltway	[07:34]
tim-tams	is that something you'd be interested in? you have a product/service?	[07:36]
TheNewDeal	can I pay like 5$ for you to include a small middle finger dedicated to the Chief of Operations of Butterfly Labs?	[07:36]
tim-tams	haha maybe ;)	[07:36]
mircea_popescu	tim-tams sup ?	[07:39]
mircea_popescu	Well... fuck << talk to english ;/	[07:39]
artifexd	Yeah...	[07:39]
TheNewDeal	charlie shrem is going to be there!	[07:40]
TheNewDeal	fack I'm gonna buy a ticket and go smoke some dope with him	[07:41]
tim-tams	mircea_popescu hey there, would you be interested in a deal like the one described above?	[07:42]
tim-tams	joecool said to contact you	[07:42]
mircea_popescu	i don't know you, why would i give you bitcoin ?	[07:43]
TheNewDeal	i massage very gentle, you give bitcoin	[07:43]
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tim-tams	mircea_popescu haha to get your name out there, advertising and such	[07:45]
tim-tams	we're hoping to interview some people, and we'll definitely talk about the presentations a ton on the show	[07:45]
tim-tams	you'll be mentioned every time	[07:46]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.00087877 = 28.4721 BTC [-]	[07:46]
mircea_popescu	;;ident tim-tams	[07:47]
gribble	Nick 'tim-tams', with hostmask 'tim-tams!~pi@pool-108-17-65-93.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net', is identified as user 'tim-tams', with GPG key id 3C45E4F1E6017AD9, key fingerprint 0EB2043388023608246A68E83C45E4F1E6017AD9, and bitcoin address 188tePebVzHGniSWuh2azFpmQkrSVrn39H	[07:47]
mircea_popescu	to... get my name out there ?	[07:48]
mircea_popescu	what show.	[07:49]
tim-tams	YouMeAndBTC.com	[07:49]
tim-tams	we have a weekly podcast	[07:49]
tim-tams	I was expecting the sponsorship to be a form of advertising but if you'd rather just sponsor us because you think it's a good use of your money (which it would be ;) ) then we're ok with that haha	[07:49]
mircea_popescu	your blog got 0 comments the past month. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKw7dwBSnG0 < you get like... 72 views ?	[07:50]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/awstats-and-stuff/ << look here.	[07:51]
ozbot	Awstats and stuff pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[07:51]
mircea_popescu	in order for you to advertise me you have to have more media exposure than me, not vice-versa.	[07:51]
tim-tams	yeah that makes sense, understandable, you're right, we're not very big, somewhat new	[07:52]
mircea_popescu	enthusiasm is good, don't get me wrong, but you're not there yet.	[07:53]
tim-tams	yeah no problem, you're right, we definitely need to grow	[07:54]
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mircea_popescu	jurov yes, today.	[13:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.041 = 0.123 BTC [-]	[13:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 693 @ 0.00022828 = 0.1582 BTC [-] {4}	[13:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0310001 = 0.155 BTC [+]	[13:42]
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fluffypony	Naphex: I couldn't make it through that video	[13:49]
fluffypony	Naphex: they lost me at "made for peer to peer interaction"	[13:50]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[13:52]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 444.8, Best ask: 446.96, Bid-ask spread: 2.16000, Last trade: 444.8, 24 hour volume: 6086.20975405, 24 hour low: 437.61, 24 hour high: 449.96, 24 hour vwap: 443.295460436	[13:52]
mircea_popescu	"One-third of World Bank Policy Reports Have Never Ever Been Read Online, By Anyone"	[13:55]
mircea_popescu	time to start seriously discussing the irrelevance of the world bank. perhaps it's time it just goes away, as it has little chance of being folded into mpex.	[13:56]
fluffypony	hah hah	[13:56]
fluffypony	data relevancy	[13:56]
fluffypony	*dat	[13:56]
mircea_popescu	"All females regardless of race are to be inspected by a UK Border Force doctor for FGM. Passports will be stamped to mark childs FGM status."	[13:57]
mircea_popescu	lmao perhaps it could just move to the uk and stay there.	[13:57]
mircea_popescu	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnFogbgCUAAmfIP.jpg >> particularly productive twitter today	[13:58]
mircea_popescu	http://www.stripes.com/news/blue-ridge-encounters-chinese-ships-near-disputed-isle-1.282222	[14:06]
ozbot	Blue Ridge encounters Chinese ships near disputed isle - News - Stripes	[14:06]
mircea_popescu	some online news outlets to label the encounter a confrontation, which 7th Fleet officials disputed Friday.	[14:07]
mircea_popescu	USS Blue Ridge, the Japan-based 7th Fleet’s flagship, transited without incident near the two ships, Navy officials said.	[14:07]
mircea_popescu	All parties acted professionally, said 7th Fleet spokesman Cmdr. William Marks, who is embarked aboard Blue Ridge.	[14:07]
mircea_popescu	“There wasn’t any communication [with the Chinese] due to both Blue Ridge and its helicopter being a safe distance away,” Marks said.	[14:07]
mircea_popescu	it wasn't a confrontation : we stayed the fuck away from them, so there was no need for them to beat our living daylights out.	[14:07]
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Naphex	damn eMag always messes up my shit	[14:11]
Naphex	ordered a whole pc, had to split the order so they can deliver stuff they had on inventory	[14:12]
Naphex	everything arrived, except the pc parts	[14:12]
Naphex	what am i going to do with a cooler and a PSU the whole weekend ;(	[14:12]
mircea_popescu	start an aquarium ?	[14:12]
Naphex	eh	[14:13]
Naphex	too boring :p	[14:13]
mircea_popescu	anyway, this is fascinating, i never met an emag customer before.	[14:13]
mircea_popescu	so you guys actually exist ?	[14:13]
Naphex	yeah, i get suckered in into ordering stuff	[14:13]
Naphex	every year or so, then i order it and regret it while i wait for stuff for weeks	[14:13]
Naphex	there are no local stores that carry anything high end over here	[14:15]
Naphex	so its either emag or its cousins	[14:15]
mircea_popescu	believe it or not,	[14:17]
mircea_popescu	;;google trilema emag	[14:17]
gribble	Ianuarie 2010 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Noiembrie 2009 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Septembrie 2011 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.:	[14:17]
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Naphex	anyway emag is a big PoS	[14:19]
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Naphex	all of my orders were above 3k$usd since ever	[14:19]
mircea_popescu	aye	[14:19]
Naphex	never ever did they deliver on time or 'right'	[14:19]
Naphex	not to mention they wanted me to wire the money this last time	[14:20]
Naphex	and they still didn't register the payment sent 3 days ago!:(	[14:20]
Naphex	orders were maid and paid on monday, now its friday and all i have is a cooler+PSU.	[14:20]
Naphex	which were suposed to get here last	[14:20]
Naphex	:)	[14:20]
Naphex	EMAG sunt mai mult decat impostori. Sunt m*****i numai prin faptul pe care l-au facut. Numai incompetenti.	[14:22]
Naphex	whats that swear word?	[14:22]
fluffypony	mFUCKi	[14:23]
fluffypony	*guesses	[14:23]
Naphex	:))	[14:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 99.77743063 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 19 satoshi per share	[14:23]
mircea_popescu	muisti ?	[14:24]
mircea_popescu	nu intra. hm... jucam rebus aici lol.	[14:24]
Naphex	hehe	[14:24]
mircea_popescu	muisti = cocksuckers in romanian. a very economic language, needs fewer letters for the concept. also reflective of the fact that romanian women are on average better trained & moar experienced with it so it doesn't take as long.	[14:25]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 7 @ 0.041 = 0.287 BTC [-]	[14:25]
mircea_popescu	Naphex: http://www.bitcoincharts.com/markets/ woot we just passed justcoin in 30day vol:D << lol he's playing racecars on btccharts	[14:27]
Naphex	hehe aye, was a good day yesterday	[14:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.079 = 2.37 BTC [+]	[14:28]
Naphex	although there was a 120 wall at 1340	[14:28]
mircea_popescu	wait.	[14:30]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 1340/443.295460436	[14:30]
gribble	3.02281462274	[14:30]
mircea_popescu	isn't the usd like 3.20 or so ?	[14:31]
Naphex	3.12	[14:31]
Naphex	or 3.28	[14:31]
mircea_popescu	holy shit.	[14:31]
mircea_popescu	hm	[14:31]
mircea_popescu	;;google ron usd rate	[14:31]
gribble	USD to RON Exchange Rate - Bloomberg: ; USD to RON - The Money Converter: ; Convert Romanian Lei (RON) and United States Dollars (USD ...:	[14:31]
mircea_popescu	dude gogle you're so fucken useless.	[14:31]
Naphex	;;google 1 usd in ron	[14:31]
gribble	USD to RON - The Money Converter: ; USD/RON - The Money Converter: ; USD to RON Exchange Rate - Bloomberg:	[14:31]
Naphex	doesn't look like gribble parses google calc	[14:32]
mircea_popescu	3.21 dood.	[14:32]
mircea_popescu	prev close 3.20.	[14:32]
Naphex	http://www.bitcoincharts.com/markets/btcxchangeRON_trades.html	[14:34]
ozbot	Bitcoin Charts / Markets / btcxchangeRON	[14:34]
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mircea_popescu	1284 trading even.	[14:35]
mircea_popescu	i wonder how long the local fucktards realise there's a 10% arb hole available.	[14:35]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 1284/443.295460436/ 3.21	[14:36]
gribble	0.902332723206	[14:36]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9150 @ 0.00088369 = 8.0858 BTC [-] {2}	[14:37]
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Naphex	they realize i think	[14:40]
Naphex	but there is no patience,	[14:40]
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Naphex	most people come in and exit	[14:41]
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Naphex	yesterday was straight wall for most the day/night. 120 @ 1342 , 1344	[14:41]
mircea_popescu	Naphex no but i mean the derps that pretend like they're bankers and bvb traders and whatnot	[14:41]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile making 5k a month or something.	[14:42]
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fluffypony	mircea_popescu: you mean the crowd that self-identify as "ibankers" ? :-P	[14:57]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony sort-of. these guys : http://trilema.com/2012/doua-poze-mii-de-cuvinte-milioane-de-lei/	[14:59]
mircea_popescu	bursa de valori bucuresti = romanian stock exchange	[15:00]
Naphex	quality stuff:)	[15:01]
Naphex	SIF SIF SIF	[15:01]
fluffypony	lol Google Translate	[15:01]
fluffypony	"robot servant in channel responds as follows"	[15:01]
Naphex	and tradeville ;o	[15:01]
mircea_popescu	Naphex back then, like 90% of the entire market cap was this one austrian conglomerate.	[15:01]
mircea_popescu	(which was, of course, listed on vse)	[15:02]
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Naphex	http://www.bvb.ro/ListedCompanies/SecurityDetail.aspx?s=SIF3	[15:03]
ozbot	Bursa de Valori Bucuresti	[15:03]
pankkake	aspx, serious bizness	[15:03]
Naphex	Misiune	[15:04]
Naphex	transformarea Bursei de Valori Bucuresti intr-unul dintre cele mai active instrumente de finantare a economiei din Romania	[15:04]
mircea_popescu	:D	[15:04]
pankkake	Naphex: so why do you order from this emag thing if it sucks?	[15:04]
mircea_popescu	pankkake because he's assburgers and can't drive 50 miles to fucking vienna to buy the stuff off the shelf	[15:05]
mircea_popescu	he has to order from chisinev	[15:05]
Naphex	yeah exactly	[15:05]
pankkake	eww buying pc parts of the shelf?!	[15:05]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[15:05]
Naphex	and i was hoping to get it 2nd day	[15:05]
pankkake	so more practical to order online	[15:05]
mircea_popescu	no, it's not.	[15:05]
pankkake	though once I tried to save a few euros and ordered from multiple retailers, wasn't worth it	[15:05]
mircea_popescu	unless you have an actual provisioning contract with penalties for delays and misdelivery,	[15:06]
pankkake	anyway, the choice isn't that great in retail	[15:06]
mircea_popescu	the only way is to buy it physically.	[15:06]
mircea_popescu	not retail dood.	[15:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27250 @ 0.0008842 = 24.0945 BTC [+] {2}	[15:06]
mircea_popescu	!up chetty	[15:08]
assbot	Voicing chetty for 30 minutes.	[15:08]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.aristofashion.com/shop/images/01_04_womens_mohair_outfit_L_45002.jpg	[15:08]
chetty	doods, always buy off the self, security. random stuffs is safer	[15:08]
chetty	god I bet that feels nice to wear	[15:09]
mircea_popescu	a bitch to wash prolly	[15:09]
davout	mircea_popescu: when i'm done with her sure	[15:10]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[15:11]
davout	unless some soupeur comes along ofc	[15:12]
fluffypony	lawls	[15:12]
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davout	"Dans son autobiographie One two two3, l'ex-prostituée Fabienne Jamet évoque ainsi cette pratique : « À l'époque où je dirigeais le 122, j'avais un soupeur qui me prenait trente à quarante foutres à chaque visite »4."	[15:12]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00447929 = 0.4479 BTC [-]	[15:12]
davout	sauce : http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soupeur	[15:12]
mircea_popescu	wait what	[15:12]
mircea_popescu	pratiquées généralement par des hommes du Marais de la rue Sainte-Anastase	[15:13]
davout	"On a également désigné par ce mot des individus fréquentant les maisons de prostitution, et qui prenaient plaisir à consommer généralement à même le sexe féminin la semence abandonnée par les clients précédents (ces individus étaient souvent impuissants). D'autres appellations existent pour qualifier cet acte, comme « faire dînette »."	[15:13]
mircea_popescu	god help us	[15:13]
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fluffypony	"The term soupeur means and first of all individuals who take pleasure in eating food soaked in the urine of others"	[15:14]
mircea_popescu	i think in english that's rolled into cuckolding	[15:14]
fluffypony	well	[15:14]
fluffypony	there's that	[15:14]
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fluffypony	right that's enough fr.wikipedia.org for the day	[15:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.079 = 0.553 BTC [+]	[15:14]
davout	fluffypony: lol	[15:15]
mircea_popescu	frenchies are fucking perverse. why not eat cum like normal people.	[15:15]
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mircea_popescu	!up lolo	[15:15]
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fluffypony	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=600628.msg6630862#msg6630862	[15:16]
ozbot	BitcoinBourse: the biggest scam in Bitcoin securities today	[15:16]
Naphex	http://www.paymentssource.com/news/bitcoinwallet-aims-to-make-digital-currency-more-social-transparent-3017836-1.html	[15:16]
ozbot	BitcoinWallet Aims to Make Digital Currency More Social, Transparent\|PaymentsSource	[15:16]
mircea_popescu	Duminica, 26 August, Anul 4 (ie, 2012) : ron/usd = 3.58199 ; Today 9 May 2014 : ron/usd = 3.21055	[15:16]
Naphex	owner has a suit!	[15:16]
fluffypony	"We are currently duel listed on https://cryptostocks.com/securities/126 and bitcoin Bourse and shares are exchangeable between the two."	[15:16]
mircea_popescu	think about that! in the past couple of years, the dollar has lost ground AGAINST THE ROMANIAN LEU	[15:17]
pankkake	duel listing, I like it. FIGHT!	[15:17]
fluffypony	pankkake: ikr	[15:17]
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fluffypony	who needs a 3VPO	[15:17]
fluffypony	when you can have...a DUELVPO	[15:17]
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fluffypony	to the death!	[15:17]
pankkake	oh it's CryptoVest which does… something. I haven't figured out yet	[15:17]
Naphex	ah MrDunne	[15:17]
fluffypony	Naphex: with that smile I wouldn't trust him further than I could throw him	[15:18]
pankkake	"Just Real Opportunity!" :\|	[15:18]
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mircea_popescu	"Not to go all off-topic, but another alternative is that you could just conclude that with very few exceptions, the entire Bitcoin securities universe is currently populated with junk -- and not even bother."	[15:18]
mircea_popescu	sez doctor foreskinhead.	[15:18]
mircea_popescu	"If, instead of treating their BTC like play money and throwing it into this kind of junk, folks just took a portion of their available dollars and invested that capital into random selections from the S&P 500, they would likely do much, much better."	[15:18]
mircea_popescu	someone needs to hit him over the head with the http://trilema.com/2013/the-best-investments-in-the-history-of-bitcoin/	[15:18]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: he's not wrong, assuming he's referring to the "stock" on BitcoinBourse and CryptoStocks	[15:18]
fluffypony	in fact	[15:19]
pankkake	well he's right that most are junk	[15:19]
fluffypony	you could bury the money as cash in the ground and dig it up over 5 years	[15:19]
fluffypony	*after	[15:19]
Apocalyptic	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBPZ58dzjfE // may be relevant	[15:19]
ozbot	Hayman Global Outlook Pitfalls and Opportunities for 2014 by Kyle Bass - YouTube	[15:19]
mircea_popescu	he got trampled to shit by mpoe-pr for being a fucktard, rather than admit he;'s a fucktard he prefers to claim "it was impossible anyway":	[15:19]
fluffypony	and whatever hasn't decomposed would still be more than investing in BitcoinBourse stocks	[15:19]
Apocalyptic	I like how the first question he's asked is "what do you think about bitcoin", despite it not being mentionned at all	[15:19]
mircea_popescu	sure.	[15:19]
Apocalyptic	he took the Buffet way out	[15:19]
mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic re buffett : i chuckled at the recent sacking of that wsj reporter over calling buffet a hypocrite for no good reason.	[15:20]
fluffypony	anyway I was writing a blog post about the fucktards that are Coinbase before getting distracted by this, I'ma finish it	[15:20]
mircea_popescu	somehow they think the strategy involved is not transparent as glass, i have no idea why.	[15:20]
Apocalyptic	mircea_popescu re Kyle Bass, he is saying in that presentation that Argentina is the best country to invest in for the following years	[15:21]
mircea_popescu	unsurprising.	[15:21]
Naphex	well BB might just get 0dayd with all those PHP scripts they run	[15:21]
pankkake	fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=462370.msg6620628#msg6620628 if this guy really works for coinbase… :/	[15:21]
fluffypony	pankkake: his reply is what triggered the blog post I'm writing	[15:22]
fluffypony	or more specifically zumzero's backing	[15:22]
fluffypony	"Hmmmn, tricky. Go with the new poster whose first post started with a personal insult or take the advice and recommendation from an established and respected shareholder? What will Ken do? Tricky."	[15:22]
pankkake	I'm not sure what he even meant by that	[15:22]
pankkake	and who the RESPECTED shareholder is	[15:23]
fluffypony	pankkake: apparently my advice is worthless because I implied Ken hired an incompetent "project manager"	[15:23]
fluffypony	and Jasun7211's advice is golden because he's the respektud sharezholder	[15:23]
fluffypony	so he would never look out for himself	[15:23]
pankkake	also, lol at not using BitPay because they are "in bed with BFL"	[15:24]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony yes man, that's how it works. take dr foreskin : he does something stupid. he's publicly told just how stupid he is. he moves on to claiming that THE WORLD IS BROKEN	[15:24]
mircea_popescu	anything. anything whatsoever.	[15:25]
fluffypony	lol	[15:25]
mircea_popescu	anyway, basically fluffypony is sorta moving into a mpoe-pr 2.0 role here ?	[15:25]
mircea_popescu	curious how long that'll last.	[15:25]
fluffypony	I actually don't know how mpoe-pr/hanbot lasted as long as she did without quitting, I wouldn't have lasted more than a month	[15:26]
fluffypony	oh well yes, exactly	[15:26]
mircea_popescu	she's a woman.	[15:26]
mircea_popescu	i know what i do when i discriminate.	[15:26]
pankkake	I lasted in the forums because there wasn't much else I could do of my days	[15:26]
pankkake	insulting people on the internet was the bonus	[15:26]
mircea_popescu	you can only insult the willing.	[15:27]
pankkake	so what's your excuse, fluffypony?	[15:27]
mircea_popescu	i guess the rest you could rape...	[15:27]
pankkake	lol	[15:27]
fluffypony	pankkake: trolling is fun :)	[15:29]
fluffypony	seriously tho	[15:29]
fluffypony	I think there are some guys that want to do things in a way that is successful	[15:30]
fluffypony	and need a bit of testing-with-fire	[15:30]
fluffypony	so I don't mind offering constructive criticism where I can	[15:30]
mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/embed/9oWAUaZ_XZE << let's play guess the camho's age.	[15:31]
ozbot	CE FACEM CAND INVATAM ? - YouTube	[15:32]
bounce	OVER 9000!	[15:32]
mircea_popescu	no, it's under 9k	[15:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.0008838 = 2.6514 BTC [-]	[15:33]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 150 @ 0.041 = 6.15 BTC [-]	[15:39]
Naphex	i'll go with 17	[15:39]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0770001 = 0.77 BTC [-]	[15:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0789899 = 0.7899 BTC [+]	[15:41]
fluffypony	yeah looks like jailbait	[15:41]
fluffypony	except not pretty enough to be jailbait	[15:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07899 = 0.7899 BTC [+]	[15:42]
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mircea_popescu	yeah. she's 14ish	[15:43]
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bounce	http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/05/08/apple-said-to-be-in-talks-to-buy-beats-for-3-2-billion/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0	[16:12]
bounce	how the fsck is a novelty headphone brand worth 3.2bn dollahs?	[16:12]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23315 @ 0.00087961 = 20.5081 BTC [-] {2}	[16:13]
fluffypony	bounce: they've got a wide market	[16:14]
fluffypony	it's one of those "if you're cool you own a pair" products	[16:14]
fluffypony	they'll lose ground in a few years, but right now they're a hot commodity	[16:15]
fluffypony	if it happens it seems to be a marketing exercise for Apple - they could certainly compete from a branding and quality perspective, but they're losing their "cool and hip" image	[16:16]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65838 @ 0.0008852 = 58.2798 BTC [+] {5}	[16:17]
fluffypony	dat patent: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/05/09/amazon_granted_patent_for_taking_photos_against_a_white_background	[16:18]
bounce	apple do know how to be cool and hip and things, or at least jobs managed to hit the nail on the head an ungodly long tim	[16:18]
pankkake	https://i.4cdn.org/g/1399623210961.jpg related	[16:18]
bounce	but apple always made its own. it's to be seen if they can manage someone else's thing	[16:19]
fluffypony	bounce: yeah, I get the feeling that they're worried about losing ground in that space without Jobs	[16:20]
bounce	they're pretty headless right now. the rest runs pretty well -- cook is (I'm told) very good at the whole supply chain thing	[16:21]
fluffypony	pankkake: who is that? that's the nerd equivalent of someone taking a picture of themselves standing next to a Nissan 350Z (when they're probably 3 mths behind on payments) and putting it on Facebook to impress everyone with his lavish riches	[16:21]
pankkake	fluffypony: it's unknown, but it's a /g/ meme. these last days it's even better than usual obviously	[16:22]
fluffypony	bounce: yeah he seems to be good at managing the company and keeping it profitable and smooth, but he doesn't seem to have the requisite insight and vision	[16:22]
fluffypony	time will tell	[16:22]
pankkake	s/insight and vision/delusionist skills/	[16:23]
*	bounce could do the vision thing, blackberry style. -- that basically was a company with one customer, the boss. making something that blind-sides the hipsters, repeatedly, well, few can do that.	[16:24]
bounce	the thing is, apple is sitting on an ungodly pile of money, without much in the way of ideas	[16:26]
Naphex	get money spend money no money?	[16:27]
pankkake	buy starbucks	[16:28]
fluffypony	pankkake: nah, Jobs had insight and vision into what people (generally) wanted before they even knew they want it	[16:28]
Apocalyptic	Naphex, they have nothing to spend it on	[16:28]
fluffypony	the dude was smart that way	[16:28]
Naphex	meh. jobs just hyped people	[16:28]
Naphex	Look a computer in a phone	[16:28]
Naphex	sorry i meant a severly limited computer which you can use too buy more apple shit	[16:28]
pankkake	how many bought an iThing and don't even use it?	[16:28]
Apocalyptic	dem hipsters	[16:29]
bounce	dunno. any market research into it?	[16:29]
bounce	though probably not exlusively to nor blamable on apple	[16:29]
pankkake	jobs sold the ipad to the press, as the thing that would save them	[16:30]
pankkake	it didn't work at all, but they hyped the ipad before that, hoping it would	[16:30]
bounce	so? plenty large companies do that, and worse. "vaporware"	[16:31]
fluffypony	Naphex: I'm talking more about stuff like the iPad - it wasn't even a particularly novel idea, it was just so well executed that every major exec on the planet seems to have switched 80% of their tasks to their iPad instead of their laptop	[16:31]
Naphex	i never bought an ipad	[16:31]
Naphex	anyway bb, off home	[16:32]
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bounce	fairly brilliant marketing move, though I'm not too impressed by the damage	[16:32]
fluffypony	bounce: well think about how something like WhatsApp was valued - it's valuation was based on userbase and potential monetisation right?	[16:33]
fluffypony	something like Beats has both a loyal user base and real revenue streams	[16:34]
pankkake	I wonder why there's no clothing line yet	[16:34]
Apocalyptic	mircea_popescu re vertcoin, I have no idea how big the VTC market is, nor what hashrate the network has	[16:36]
fluffypony	Apocalyptic: I can give you a bit of info on that	[16:36]
Apocalyptic	"Volume 24h: 95.130000 BTC" according to poloniex, but hard to say what the real thing is	[16:36]
fluffypony	http://www.coingecko.com	[16:36]
Apocalyptic	s/poloniex/cryptocoincharts	[16:37]
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BigBitz	buying Beats was smart/smooth.	[16:38]
BigBitz	their target market for iPhone is the beat wearing morons.	[16:39]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2200 @ 0.00018315 = 0.4029 BTC [-] {12}	[16:39]
BigBitz	They're good headphones, but, at that price they're not good...	[16:39]
BigBitz	Dre becomes 1st hip hop billionaire..	[16:39]
BigBitz	that man has smarts.	[16:39]
BigBitz	Although isn't it Carlye Group and HTC which own most of Beats now-a-days?	[16:40]
fluffypony	yeah I think so	[16:40]
fluffypony	they are good though	[16:40]
BigBitz	was the Apple buy a cash buy?	[16:40]
fluffypony	bought a pair of buds for the wife a few years ago	[16:40]
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fluffypony	and she's abused them, yet they're still going	[16:40]
BigBitz	yeah they are good -- just for that kind of coin they are expensive and not THAT good.	[16:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 200 @ 0.00085021 = 0.17 BTC [-]	[16:41]
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bounce	custom fit earbuds, say	[16:41]
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fluffypony	we get these reward points from our bank for swiping and shit, and if you use a bunch of the bank's products you get 40% off at certain stores when spending the points	[16:41]
fluffypony	so I basically got them for "free" with the points	[16:42]
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BigBitz	nice.	[16:42]
fluffypony	I don't think I would've paid cash for them	[16:42]
BigBitz	free is good.	[16:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57400 @ 0.00087895 = 50.4517 BTC [-] {5}	[16:42]
bounce	you paid for the kickbacks, sure enough	[16:42]
BigBitz	I wouldn't be upset to get a free pair.	[16:42]
fluffypony	bounce: for sure, still nice to get something instead of just getting fisted by the bank :-P	[16:43]
bounce	so you got some lube for getting reamed	[16:43]
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fluffypony	bounce: exactly!	[16:44]
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bounce	found a book (pdf, really) by some guy who made a sport out of gaming airmiles and getting lifetime platinum diamond whatever status	[16:44]
bounce	kinda interesting. though I probably wouldn't go through the trouble even if I had access to (or need for) those things	[16:45]
fluffypony	yeah some of those reward systems can be gamed nicely if you're a big enough spender	[16:46]
fluffypony	ok Coinbase rant done	[16:46]
fluffypony	http://blog.spagni.net/posts/2014-05-09/	[16:46]
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BigBitz	tl;dr	[16:48]
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BigBitz	btw they do charge Merchants; if they're volume is significant.	[16:50]
bounce	unfunny	[16:51]
fluffypony	BigBitz: ah ok - I'll add that in as a sidebar	[16:51]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3244 @ 0.00088605 = 2.8743 BTC [+]	[16:51]
BigBitz	This, too, is antithetical to Bitcoin, but also flies in the face of all logic. Why layer the fees on to ordinary users that could be sending Bitcoin to their mom or their sick cousin? Why not let the merchants carry the cost, since they can write the fees off as a cost-of-doing-business?	[16:52]
BigBitz	Welcome to VISA/AMEX :) ie; end user does not carry th eburden of Merchant Services Charges	[16:52]
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BigBitz	however, some refuse to accecpt AMEX based on their larger tx fee.	[16:52]
mike_c	it's no berkshire vs bitcoin, but there are some basketball bets totalling a few bitcoin going now. not too shabby.	[16:53]
BigBitz	did the Berkshire bet "get made" ?	[16:53]
mike_c	well, there was no immaculate conception. how do you mean?	[16:55]
BigBitz	well was the bet made...	[16:56]
BigBitz	like confirmed to be have taken place.	[16:56]
fluffypony	https://neocities.org/blog/the-fcc-is-now-rate-limited	[16:56]
ozbot	The Official NeoCities Blog	[16:56]
pankkake	it's on the bitbet hompepage	[16:56]
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BigBitz	"internal IP range" .. not sure if serious ..	[16:57]
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fluffypony	BigBitz: https://gist.github.com/kyledrake/e6046644115f185f7af0	[16:58]
fluffypony	they've published the nginx rules	[16:58]
BigBitz	Haha.	[16:58]
BigBitz	Epic.	[16:58]
BigBitz	I like that.	[16:58]
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mike_c	04:50:57 mircea_popescu:your blog got 0 comments the past month. << just because your blog doesn't get comments doesn't mean it sucks.	[17:05]
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ThickAsThieves	I'm here to bitch about fluffypony's coinbase article	[17:09]
fluffypony	oh lordie	[17:10]
mike_c	proceed	[17:10]
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mike_c	perhaps a link first?	[17:10]
fluffypony	mike_c: http://blog.spagni.net/posts/2014-05-09/	[17:10]
ThickAsThieves	Well, mostly, you are projecting all your own desires onto a business	[17:10]
Apocalyptic	mike_c, do you even backlog ?	[17:10]
ThickAsThieves	Coinbase has not obligation to be anything to you	[17:11]
fluffypony	ThickAsThieves: the article was triggered by a Bitpay vs. Coinbase discussion on the AMC thread	[17:11]
fluffypony	so it's in that context	[17:11]
mike_c	Apocalyptic: i was like an hour before that in catching up. so close :)	[17:11]
fluffypony	I can preface it with that if it'll help	[17:11]
ThickAsThieves	you should set it up differently then	[17:11]
ThickAsThieves	lile"Why I Like BitPay more than Coinbase"	[17:12]
ThickAsThieves	right now you just sound like a bitter customer who didnt get his way	[17:12]
fluffypony	yes but then I sound like a Bitpay shill :-P	[17:12]
bounce	bitcoinpalsucks.com	[17:12]
ThickAsThieves	i'm not even sure there are any real offenses of coinbase mentioned in your post	[17:13]
fluffypony	bounce: http://coinbasefraud.com	[17:13]
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Apocalyptic	oh yeah the ""high risk transaction" trick	[17:13]
fluffypony	ThickAsThieves: k I'll adjust it to preface it better	[17:14]
Apocalyptic	as old as coinbase itself	[17:14]
ThickAsThieves	"Purposely breaking the Bitcoin model is not only irresponsible, but it gives us insight into what Coinbase is trying to achieve."	[17:14]
ThickAsThieves	you make that leap	[17:14]
bounce	"complain to the ceo of bitcoin"	[17:14]
ThickAsThieves	but never establish their offense	[17:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.48661949 = 0.9732 BTC [+]	[17:14]
ThickAsThieves	because they form a bitcoin/fiat money-changing service they are the devil?	[17:14]
mike_c	coinbase is only a scam if you treat it like a daytrading exchange.	[17:15]
mike_c	kinda like if you treat bitbet as a last-second bitcoin faucet.	[17:15]
ThickAsThieves	yeah you dont trade FX at the airport moneychanger now do you?	[17:15]
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fluffypony	ThickAsThieves: not in and of itself, no - the problem is that they're building a userbase that is intwined in that ecosystem and will struggle to manage their own wallet	[17:16]
fluffypony	they're making their users treat Bitcoin payments like PayPal payments	[17:16]
ThickAsThieves	users are doing it to themselves	[17:16]
fluffypony	ThickAsThieves: ok well let's contrast the approaches	[17:17]
princessnell	would you expect those most of those users to use Bitcoin in any other way?	[17:17]
fluffypony	a Coinbase user buys something on a site that uses Bitpay	[17:17]
fluffypony	they're presented with a QR code + Bitcoin URI + address	[17:17]
fluffypony	presumably + BIP 70 in the future	[17:17]
fluffypony	they can still do "wun klick" payments and whatever	[17:17]
fluffypony	and have the money sucked out their bank account	[17:17]
fluffypony	and pay their 1%	[17:17]
ThickAsThieves	also, yknow your Coinbase thinks America is Important section mostly serves as data showing how US is important	[17:17]
bounce	patent violasion!	[17:18]
fluffypony	but they're aware of what's happening and where Bitcoin plays a role in the payment process	[17:18]
fluffypony	vs. a Coinbase customer paying on a Coinbase merchant site	[17:18]
fluffypony	where it's all magical unicorns denominated in USD and money coming out their bank account	[17:19]
mike_c	um, who cares?	[17:19]
ThickAsThieves	maybe a better argument, would be how merchant use of bitcoin is the problem	[17:19]
fluffypony	mike_c: I'm speaking to a specific point ThickAsThieves raised	[17:20]
bounce	UnicornCoin, only valid in combination with RainbowCoin	[17:20]
ThickAsThieves	yeah my point wa a customer can make as many sacrfices as they like to protect their own convenieneces	[17:20]
ThickAsThieves	with the convenience be speed, false sense of security, or ignorance as bliss	[17:21]
mike_c	yes, i think i'm following, but who cares if a user <-> coinbase <-> coinbase merchant transaction doesn't scream bitcoin?	[17:21]
ThickAsThieves	whether the convenience*	[17:21]
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mike_c	"Since Coinbase has had their merchant tools rolled out since December 5th, 2012 it’s safe to say that they’re not a new startup."	[17:22]
princessnell	yr absolutely right about the cultural problems that the convenience creates	[17:22]
mike_c	uh.. 1.5 years is pretty dang new :)	[17:22]
bounce	https://bitcoinfoundation.org/2014/05/09/board-election-results-announcement-2/	[17:22]
princessnell	but i wonder if many (most?) coinbase users would have it any other way	[17:23]
ThickAsThieves	princessnell, but what's the flipside? a common cure for stupid?	[17:23]
fluffypony	mike_c: well, isn't part of the entire point of Bitcoin that "he who holds the keys holds the coins"? in other words, users should be encouraged to use Bitcoin in that fashion, anything else (webwallets) deviates from that core principle	[17:23]
ThickAsThieves	there's no "point" of bitcoin	[17:23]
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ThickAsThieves	it's a thing	[17:23]
ThickAsThieves	it has no intention	[17:24]
ThickAsThieves	people can use it how they like	[17:24]
bounce	what, no "take the world by storm"?	[17:24]
mike_c	it's cash in your pocket vs. your bank account. cash in your pocket is a convience and subject to mugging.	[17:24]
princessnell	ThickAsThieves: moonsteads!	[17:24]
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princessnell	(how do you tag someone by name on IRC?)	[17:24]
mike_c	you just did	[17:24]
bounce	no cash in pocket means chip&pin which in turn exposes the entire checking account	[17:25]
fluffypony	mike_c: I can't agree with that analogy	[17:25]
princessnell	heh, easy. thanks.	[17:25]
princessnell	i think shaming coinbase et al is appropriate. but i think this is a structural problem with demand.	[17:25]
fluffypony	I don't have a better one, but that's not apt enough	[17:25]
mike_c	fluffypony: why? that is exactly how i use it. i purchase, move coins to storage, and use CB for random day-to-day purchase/bets.	[17:25]
mike_c	and basically fully expect someday my balance on CB won't be there.	[17:26]
ThickAsThieves	CB serves certain purposes	[17:26]
ThickAsThieves	and that's okay	[17:27]
fluffypony	ThickAsThieves: I'm going to pull the article for the moment, I'll revisit it when I have time, but weekend is almost here	[17:27]
princessnell	right. but it does prime people in a problematic way.	[17:27]
mike_c	wha?? why would you pull an article that is generating debate?	[17:27]
ThickAsThieves	princessnell i dont think "priming" people should be a concern of coinbase necessarily	[17:28]
ThickAsThieves	nor am i sure it's even relevent	[17:28]
princessnell	ThickAsThieves no, of course not. they are a profit seeking business.	[17:28]
Apocalyptic	fluffypony, don't pull it just because TAT is being a coinbase shill	[17:28]
ThickAsThieves	haha	[17:28]
fluffypony	lol	[17:28]
fluffypony	no no	[17:28]
ThickAsThieves	yeah dont pull it	[17:28]
princessnell	i think path dependencies are relevant	[17:28]
fluffypony	I want to make my arguments clearer	[17:28]
ThickAsThieves	i just think it was a shot from the hip	[17:28]
ThickAsThieves	with better aim you might hit something	[17:28]
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fluffypony	ok I'll leave it up and then publish an updated one when I get a chance	[17:29]
Apocalyptic	for me it's beyond doubt coinbase is scaming with their high risk tx bullshit	[17:29]
mike_c	fluffypony: leave it as is, and tell TaT to comment on it if he doesn't like it	[17:29]
mike_c	then respond to the comment	[17:29]
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mike_c	then you have a post and a lively comment section!	[17:30]
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ThickAsThieves	we're regulating how to properly take criticism now	[17:30]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[17:30]
mike_c	meta-criticism	[17:30]
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fluffypony	ThickAsThieves is too lazy to comment	[17:30]
fluffypony	:-P	[17:30]
ThickAsThieves	well why comment on an article that might change!	[17:30]
ThickAsThieves	;)	[17:31]
mike_c	if your blog posts don't make people mad you end up with no comments.	[17:31]
ThickAsThieves	really i spoke up, and here, because i care	[17:31]
ThickAsThieves	i was like no fluffy, no!	[17:31]
fluffypony	awwwww	[17:31]
fluffypony	such love <3	[17:31]
fluffypony	ok ok, I'll make my points clearer	[17:31]
fluffypony	when I get a chance	[17:32]
fluffypony	and then you can comment on that new article	[17:32]
Apocalyptic	i was like no fluffy, no! // i like dem fluffy	[17:32]
ThickAsThieves	next article: "TAT is the worst merchanty payment processor article critic ever"	[17:33]
fluffypony	ha hhah	[17:33]
fluffypony	evar	[17:33]
Naphex	https://medium.com/p/cb2f81962c1b pff	[17:33]
Naphex	whats wrong with DNS	[17:33]
Naphex	and vetting it through bitcoin sig	[17:33]
fluffypony	dat low-res header pic	[17:34]
ThickAsThieves	whats wrong is it doesnt inject a new point of failure for the NSA to fuck with	[17:34]
ThickAsThieves	"y keeping the chain code hidden behind the server, we get unlinkability. "	[17:35]
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Naphex	what i proposed and had a working example	[17:35]
ThickAsThieves	"If the chain code ever leaks then all your payments become linkable."	[17:35]
Naphex	is BIp32 hd pub keys, ecdsa signed with root address, then assigned	[17:35]
Naphex	everything in that article is then solved	[17:35]
ThickAsThieves	"First problem: stealth address usage bloats the block chain." fucking hell already	[17:35]
fluffypony	Naphex: so push it as a BIP and get comments on it	[17:36]
Naphex	i am shit at writing docs, better at writing and talking through code	[17:36]
Naphex	:(	[17:36]
fluffypony	Naphex: BIPs don't need much in way of documentation	[17:36]
fluffypony	and once it's up other people will contribute to it	[17:36]
ThickAsThieves	Hearn is on a mission to solve solved problems	[17:36]
fluffypony	(the documentatio, I mean)	[17:36]
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Naphex	meh i'll reset up my example with bip32	[17:37]
bounce	what's medium.com on about this time? don't have a tablet so I'm too square to access their hipsteriffic site.	[17:37]
thestringpuller	ThickAsThieves: lets record a bitcoin rap album	[17:37]
Naphex	and get some comments	[17:37]
Naphex	see where it goes	[17:37]
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ThickAsThieves	bitcoin can't rap	[17:38]
thestringpuller	i bet MPOE-PR could rap	[17:38]
fluffypony	I'll rap - I mean, I did say on the AMC thread that I was "dropping the mic"	[17:38]
fluffypony	so restekp.	[17:38]
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thestringpuller	Fine ThickAsThieves i'll get some producers myself and make my own bitcoin mix tape :P	[17:39]
ThickAsThieves	i've heard, with my own ears, "bitcoin" rapped in this studio in lyrics, it was embarassing	[17:39]
ThickAsThieves	you cant sound cool rapping bitcoin	[17:39]
ThickAsThieves	instant shill status	[17:39]
fluffypony	ok so what we do is get some samples and rhyming couples recorded	[17:39]
thestringpuller	Got so much crypto wealth, its bad fo niggas health.	[17:39]
fluffypony	and then we hook it up to a "listen to bitcoin" style service	[17:40]
thestringpuller	Boom	[17:40]
thestringpuller	i bet even Kanye could make that sound dope	[17:40]
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ThickAsThieves	well mainstream rappers are shills mostly	[17:40]
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fluffypony	"[16:40:06] buZz: i noticed orgcoin even has quadminingpools"	[17:40]
fluffypony	mergedmining lulz	[17:40]
ThickAsThieves	hi gais, i'm trying to quantum mine, which pool should i use/	[17:41]
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fluffypony	one that supports 4 coins at the same time!	[17:41]
thestringpuller	ThickAsThieves: who is your favorite rapper?	[17:41]
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ThickAsThieves	i probably dont have 1 specific 1	[17:42]
ThickAsThieves	i like Killer Mike	[17:42]
ThickAsThieves	Pharcyde	[17:42]
ThickAsThieves	Dres from Black Sheep	[17:42]
thestringpuller	damn you old	[17:43]
ThickAsThieves	older Kid Cudi	[17:43]
fluffypony	lol	[17:43]
ThickAsThieves	i liek some new people	[17:43]
ThickAsThieves	Action Bronson	[17:43]
ThickAsThieves	I like some Schoolboy Q	[17:43]
ThickAsThieves	Kdot	[17:44]
ThickAsThieves	some Wale stuff is cool	[17:44]
thestringpuller	I think my favorite rapper of all time is Curren$y	[17:44]
thestringpuller	closely followed by Jay-Z	[17:44]
thestringpuller	then Big Daddy Kane	[17:44]
ThickAsThieves	yeah i like Jat Z's second half of his career	[17:44]
ThickAsThieves	Jay*	[17:45]
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ThickAsThieves	but i like diff rappers for diff reasons	[17:45]
Naphex	ICE CUBE	[17:45]
ThickAsThieves	like Jay Z's lyrics can be pretty lame	[17:45]
thestringpuller	I honestly think Curren$y would hang out in #bitcoin-assets if he was in bitcoin	[17:45]
ThickAsThieves	but his delivery is on point	[17:45]
Naphex	ICE CUBE	[17:45]
pankkake	xzibit likes merged mining	[17:46]
ThickAsThieves	Kid Cudi sings all his raps, but much replayability	[17:46]
thestringpuller	That's only cause you like Friday Naphex	[17:46]
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thestringpuller	"Hold on lemme find my lighter...lighter sound The engine in the back of my car, I'm clearly in a different tax bracket now dawg"	[17:48]
Naphex	:))	[17:48]
thestringpuller	Wale made a line just for me "Money got me pulling strings, I got that Geppetto dough"	[17:49]
Naphex	nah i'm just oldschool :D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdN6hgxAlyk#t=29	[17:49]
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fluffypony	good idea	[17:55]
thestringpuller	fluffypony	[17:55]
thestringpuller	sounds like a stuffed animal	[17:56]
fluffypony	thestringpuller: http://fluffypony.co.za/images/main.jpg	[17:56]
thestringpuller	SFW?	[17:56]
ThickAsThieves	yes	[17:56]
ThickAsThieves	I see tim-tams is going interviewing in Ams too	[17:56]
thestringpuller	Tim Tams?	[17:57]
fluffypony	thestringpuller: yes, it's a stuffed animal :)	[17:57]
ThickAsThieves	some guy that was in the logs earlier	[17:57]
ThickAsThieves	soliciting for "sponsorships"	[17:57]
thestringpuller	;;gettrust fluffypony	[17:57]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user fluffypony: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=fluffypony \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=fluffypony \| Rated since: Sat Apr 6 08:20:32 2013	[17:57]
fluffypony	not authed?	[17:58]
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thestringpuller	;;ident	[17:58]
gribble	Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None	[17:58]
fluffypony	;;ident	[17:59]
gribble	Nick 'fluffypony', with hostmask 'fluffypony!~fluffypon@geartri.be', is identified as user 'fluffypony', with GPG key id 7455C5E3C0CDCEB9, key fingerprint BDA6BD7042B721C467A9759D7455C5E3C0CDCEB9, and bitcoin address 1FAvFCgXBmJ4uV3p1NFzWkkyndH7FJ6Vzx	[17:59]
fluffypony	fixed	[17:59]
thestringpuller	damn i've been in #bitcoin-assets a long time	[17:59]
thestringpuller	2012	[17:59]
thestringpuller	how does time fly?	[17:59]
thestringpuller	ThickAsThieves wtf, am I going to become old like you?	[18:00]
pankkake	how old are you?	[18:00]
thestringpuller	26	[18:01]
thestringpuller	dob '88	[18:01]
thestringpuller	:	[18:01]
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fluffypony	wow	[18:02]
fluffypony	I miss my 20s	[18:02]
thestringpuller	i will too!	[18:02]
pankkake	I'm clinging to them	[18:02]
thestringpuller	they are flying before my eyes	[18:02]
thestringpuller	like what the actual fuck	[18:02]
thestringpuller	i don't want to turn into a cranky old man this soon like MP	[18:03]
fluffypony	lol	[18:03]
thestringpuller	i want to spend some time being irresponsible ~_~	[18:03]
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pankkake	there's no age to be a curmudgeon	[18:03]
ThickAsThieves	<+thestringpuller> ThickAsThieves wtf, am I going to become old like you? /// you will never be as old as me, sorry	[18:03]
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jborkl	MP : You kids get off my lawn!!	[18:13]
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ThickAsThieves	"This is a holiday when all-conquering patriotic force triumphs, when we all feel especially strongly what it means to be true to the Motherland and how important it is to be able to stand up for its interests" "Hurrah!" ~ Guess who said that and when.	[18:27]
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mike_c	stalin? either that, or putin said it yesterday?	[18:32]
fluffypony	ThickAsThieves: Obama?	[18:32]
fluffypony	:-P	[18:32]
mike_c	US doesn't have a word for motherland though.	[18:32]
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davout	mike_c: wat	[18:34]
mike_c	wat wat	[18:34]
davout	that's like saying the french don't have a word for entrepreneur	[18:34]
ThickAsThieves	mike_c, yes putin this week	[18:34]
mike_c	w00t, i win	[18:34]
davout	i mean you're saying english doesn't have a word for X, where X is a word, that doesn't sound like you just made it up	[18:35]
mike_c	davout: well, what i mean is the US doesn't have a word that they use like russia uses motherland	[18:35]
davout	I IS CONFUSED	[18:35]
davout	hm	[18:35]
ThickAsThieves	well, nation	[18:35]
ThickAsThieves	or, pursuit of happines	[18:36]
ThickAsThieves	s	[18:36]
pankkake	I thought it was Murica	[18:36]
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fluffypony	MURKA world polices!	[18:38]
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jurov	isn't it homeland?	[18:56]
ThickAsThieves	aha!	[18:56]
ThickAsThieves	yes	[18:56]
ThickAsThieves	or heartland	[18:56]
ThickAsThieves	is another	[18:56]
ThickAsThieves	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CICv6xV-lSE#t=29	[18:56]
ozbot	Ross Sisters - A Crazy Dance Video From 1944 (Watch After 1:00) - YouTube	[18:56]
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ThickAsThieves	how did that gay kid fare in th nfl draft?	[19:00]
ThickAsThieves	i guess he isnt picked yet	[19:01]
ThickAsThieves	"am, who came out in February, is projected to be selected Saturday -- the third day of the NFL draft. Although his marketability is likely to be tied heavily to making a team and playing well, he has received dozens of endorsement deal offers, which is unprecedented for an expected late-round pick."	[19:03]
ThickAsThieves	Sam*	[19:03]
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ThickAsThieves	to you developers, what you do you do when you are 3yrs deep with an uncompleted large project, and the last 20% seems to be when most of the time was spent on? When you also know you can't use this team long-term, even after it's completed?	[19:07]
mike_c	well, first off, the last 20% is always where the time is spent	[19:08]
ThickAsThieves	sure, but this was on schedule to be completed 2 yrs ago	[19:08]
mike_c	so you're 1.8 yrs late in firing them?	[19:08]
ThickAsThieves	maybe, it's not me calling the shots	[19:09]
ThickAsThieves	but i can influence	[19:09]
ThickAsThieves	i think initially the customer wasnt in any rush	[19:09]
artifexd	ThickAsThieves: The 80/20 problem is not new	[19:09]
ThickAsThieves	and that turned into this monster	[19:09]
mike_c	two years late on a one year project is bad management.	[19:09]
pankkake	is the 20% the actual, vital stuff?	[19:09]
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ThickAsThieves	yeah	[19:10]
ThickAsThieves	permissions for users and such	[19:10]
pankkake	sounds like it should have been the first thing to do	[19:10]
artifexd	Are the slacking, losing focus, or incompetent?	[19:10]
ThickAsThieves	i think they use foreigners so the tasks arent clearly communicated	[19:10]
ThickAsThieves	nothing new has been added to the plate	[19:11]
ThickAsThieves	it's just half-assing the requirements	[19:11]
ThickAsThieves	then pretending they didnt understand	[19:11]
pankkake	there is a chance the thing is worthless; it might have appeared to work, but there's not much inside	[19:11]
ThickAsThieves	i think another issue is the provider vastly underestimated the work	[19:11]
ThickAsThieves	but agreed to flat fee	[19:11]
ThickAsThieves	so it became low priority or something	[19:11]
artifexd	Sounds like it is time to find new developers and revisit your requirements. The may need some breaking down/clarification.	[19:12]
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ThickAsThieves	i dunno i used the software some and it mostly works, it's just cleanup	[19:12]
ThickAsThieves	but even cleanup is taking months	[19:12]
artifexd	Do you have the source code for what they have done so far? What does the contract say about non-completion?	[19:12]
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Naphex	<+ThickAsThieves> to you developers, what you do you do when you are 3yrs deep with an uncompleted large project, and the last 20% seems to be when most of the time was spent on? When you also know you can't use this team	[19:12]
Naphex	long-term, even after it's completed? <<	[19:12]
ThickAsThieves	right	[19:12]
Naphex	<<< Bring in the heavy artillery	[19:12]
ThickAsThieves	like i had plans to grow this thing afterward	[19:13]
Naphex	bring in the experts, and a project manager that has a history as a drill sargent	[19:13]
ThickAsThieves	we do have the source so far	[19:13]
ThickAsThieves	current programming is done on our server	[19:14]
ThickAsThieves	it's online education/training	[19:14]
Naphex	<+ThickAsThieves> but even cleanup is taking months << why is the cleanup taking so long?	[19:14]
ThickAsThieves	i think we are on the backburner	[19:14]
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ThickAsThieves	it's for a family business, but i havent been the manager of it	[19:16]
ThickAsThieves	just in the loop somewhat	[19:16]
Naphex	ah well, when i used to pick up dieing projects	[19:16]
Naphex	i went in, identified root problems, identified what the customer, client needs to realease	[19:17]
ThickAsThieves	this is actually the 3rd or 4th team we had on it, the previous one were all worse	[19:17]
ThickAsThieves	every team wants to start over	[19:17]
Naphex	are you using freelancers? or outsourcing companies?	[19:17]
Naphex	if every team wants to start over it might just be too shitty	[19:18]
ThickAsThieves	they purport to be a team, a business	[19:18]
pankkake	they probably want to start over for good reasons	[19:18]
ThickAsThieves	but i think they are just outsourcers now	[19:18]
ThickAsThieves	probably, but at some point someone has to fucking finish something	[19:18]
Naphex	the starting over thing, there is where the problems lie	[19:18]
pankkake	I've only refused one project, and my colleague refused it too, because there wasn't much to be saved, and fixing it would cost more than doing it again	[19:18]
ThickAsThieves	thats why its hard to let go	[19:19]
Naphex	it might just be too shitty of a code+architecture to work productively in	[19:19]
ThickAsThieves	since we already started over several times	[19:19]
Naphex	i've had clients picked up who used very very shitty platforms, which ended up beeing very succesful	[19:19]
Naphex	then all the problems started, while working in their code base was just a waste of time	[19:19]
Naphex	and any new feature they wanted to add might take more then 1 month	[19:20]
Naphex	i wanted to start over, refused when they denied. after 1 year	[19:20]
Naphex	the code, the platform was just too shitty to waste any good programmers time on it	[19:20]
bounce	sometimes you do need to start over. though not as often (and often not when) dev teams want to start over	[19:20]
Naphex	http://starshiners.ro/ -- 30k~ clients, 5-6k deliveries daily	[19:21]
pankkake	bounce: lol, yeah. we wanted to start over on our own code for a project, but it was still manageable, albeit painful	[19:21]
bounce	amazingly, still so many project managers that haven't read _The Mythical Man-Month_	[19:22]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[19:22]
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ThickAsThieves	the idea was to make this software, polish it and add features for 6mos in use for grade school education, then further develop it by making it more robust for other types of training (i have/had clients in areas like haxardous material transportation certs, etc), then once it seems ready, make it a DIY SaaS monthly fee website thing	[19:23]
ThickAsThieves	years of work	[19:24]
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ThickAsThieves	in that sense a rewrite is probably inevitable huh	[19:25]
thestringpuller	isn't that what Khan Academy does?	[19:25]
ThickAsThieves	no	[19:25]
ThickAsThieves	the idea is for any person or company to be able to use it to build training	[19:26]
pankkake	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moodle ?	[19:26]
ozbot	Moodle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[19:26]
ThickAsThieves	pretty much	[19:26]
ThickAsThieves	we actually use Moodle for one portion of students	[19:26]
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benkay	it's kinda hard to move the custom designd thigner into a multitenant deploy generally, ThickAsThieves	[19:27]
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pankkake	perhaps building around Moodle, with people who actually know Moodle, would get better results	[19:27]
benkay	unless it was designed to do that from the get-go, but from the sounds of it it's kind of a mess in the first place.	[19:27]
ThickAsThieves	i dont think moodle licence would allow for the master plan though	[19:27]
pankkake	benkay: depends on how dirty you want it to be :D	[19:28]
benkay	then there is the 'shoehorn existing software into my problemspace' thing going on as well it sounds	[19:28]
benkay	pankkake: url-encode everything and throw away the method.	[19:28]
pankkake	GPLv3 should be ok, it's not AGPL	[19:28]
ThickAsThieves	well it was more organic than that of course	[19:28]
ThickAsThieves	they had a custom thing some freelancer made	[19:29]
ThickAsThieves	and Moodle	[19:29]
ThickAsThieves	so they had two systems	[19:29]
*	bounce spent a few weeks refactoring a fantastically bad code base. was sort-of fun, if you like a lot of mindless drudgery. lots of condensing copy/pasted code, but also coming up with interfaces to safely re-do (in less code) what's already there giving the same result with less spaghetti. and then slowly "factor up".	[19:29]
ThickAsThieves	which made dev of either one awkward	[19:29]
ThickAsThieves	and they wanted one system	[19:29]
bounce	that sort of thing goes best when the code is a particular kind of stupid: lots of repetition, lots of hooks to revamp.	[19:29]
ThickAsThieves	later came the ideas of SaaS	[19:29]
ThickAsThieves	there's more need than you might initially realize for a customizable education software	[19:31]
ThickAsThieves	orgs get really particular about grading systems and features they need	[19:31]
ThickAsThieves	in the SaaS version you	[19:31]
ThickAsThieves	'd be able to customize such	[19:31]
benkay	sounds like you'd want to preserve your ability to deliver features fast and on budget at all costs.	[19:32]
ThickAsThieves	well we have yet to encounter a team that can assist, finding one is not easy when you have no reliable connections into better breeds of programminig teams	[19:33]
benkay	man this story is so familiar. non technical stakeholder dictates that a particular already-built thinger be used despite knowing nothing about its architecture or code quality or the ability of development teams to work against the existing codebase. thinger is either a mess or takes 6 months for an individual to come up to speed on the nuances/idiocies of, but project already has thinger built in.	[19:33]
ThickAsThieves	nor quite the ability to confidently discern between them	[19:33]
benkay	yeah that's the really rough part of the problem	[19:34]
benkay	not being able to qualify tech teams	[19:34]
benkay	that's brutal, man.	[19:34]
benkay	Magento's a really good example of this. you start a business selling shit online, you're all "hey magento! it's awesome and does everything i need!" then you want to hire someone to do work on your magento install and lolololololol either you hire kids who are learning php on the fly and they do god knows what to your install or you hire actual magento devs at 400+/hr	[19:35]
thestringpuller	"If you want nice things you have to pay for them"	[19:36]
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benkay	i worked at a shop once that charged an ungodly amount of money to migrate another large ecom hustler from magento community to magento pro	[19:36]
ThickAsThieves	the idea of an open source cart always scared me anyway	[19:36]
benkay	ebay staff didn't think it was even POSSIBLE. but we did it.	[19:36]
benkay	cost...too much. probably more than writing a cms/ecom platform ourselves woulda.	[19:37]
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benkay	but client didn't care to pay for a new stack - would rather throw 4x as much at the old stack.	[19:37]
ThickAsThieves	note that this point is off on a tangent	[19:38]
benkay	yeah sorry	[19:38]
ThickAsThieves	there's no new expense for this current iteration	[19:38]
ThickAsThieves	other than time passing	[19:38]
ThickAsThieves	they make progress, it's just painfully slow	[19:38]
ThickAsThieves	but now Moodle is way out of date and missing features they really want	[19:39]
ThickAsThieves	so they wanna pay someone to handle that	[19:39]
ThickAsThieves	because no idea when custom system will be ready	[19:39]
benkay	fixing upstream bugs?	[19:40]
bounce	teach'em to swim	[19:41]
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ThickAsThieves	?	[19:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 39 @ 0.041 = 1.599 BTC [-]	[19:42]
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blackwhite	thanks	[19:50]
benkay	how've you been?	[19:52]
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mircea_popescu	bounce:	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	apple do know how to be cool and hip and things, or at least jobs managed to hit the nail on the head an ungodly long tim << that's it. apple is now reduced to the position of rich old guy trying to buy the company of the hip young things in the hopes it'll attract the teenage pussy it's after.	[19:57]
benkay	hola JorgePasada	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	Naphex: sorry i meant a severly limited computer which you can use too buy more apple shit << exactly. in point of fact nobody actually wants an apple anything.	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	they just temporarily thought they did.	[19:59]
asciilifeform	obligatory:	[20:00]
asciilifeform	http://www.loper-os.org/?p=132	[20:00]
ozbot	Loper OS » Non-Apple’s Mistake	[20:00]
asciilifeform	(written during a living steve j)	[20:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 36 @ 0.041 = 1.476 BTC [-]	[20:00]
mircea_popescu	and re "executive"'s move to apple : the point of sad fact is that actual executive power moved from the us to china in this interval. the ever swelling headcount of ever more powerless and pointless us based pseudo-executives have chosen to temporarily drown the realisation of their loss	[20:01]
mircea_popescu	in changing a functional workstation for a severely crippled, difficult to use one.	[20:01]
mircea_popescu	the placebo benefit is fading.	[20:01]
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mircea_popescu	bounce: kinda interesting. though I probably wouldn't go through the trouble even if I had access to (or need for) those things << exactly. it's sort-of like putting your time into being the best earthworm kinetotherapist. why bother.	[20:04]
ThickAsThieves	https://bitcoinfoundation.org/2014/05/09/board-election-results-announcement-2/	[20:04]
ThickAsThieves	71 voters participated, 31 abstained	[20:05]
asciilifeform	apple vacuuming up winblows escapees is not the complete picture. they also profited from the demise of sun, sgi, etc. - being the only remaining vendor of what amounts to '90-style 'unix workstation'	[20:05]
asciilifeform	(in the sense of the hardware and os baked under same roof)	[20:06]
mircea_popescu	mike_c:	[20:06]
mircea_popescu	04:50:57 mircea_popescu:your blog got 0 comments the past month. << just because your blog doesn't get comments doesn't mean it sucks. << no, but it also doesn't mean you can "get my name out there"	[20:06]
mike_c	oh yes, no argument there.	[20:06]
benkay	y'all apple haters miss the part where they make the best laptop chassis in the world.	[20:07]
mike_c	benkay: have you ever picked up an apple server? it weighs 200 lbs for no good reason.	[20:07]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony: so it's in that context << you have to include your context in your blogposts. that's why mine end up ungodly long soimetimes, you want a reader falling on it ten years later to still get a whole meal.	[20:07]
benkay	mike_c: who buys apple servers?!	[20:07]
mircea_popescu	benkay i didn't fuck a woman last night, tho she was giving me the fuck me eyes. she had the best ears in the world.	[20:08]
mircea_popescu	ya know ?	[20:08]
mike_c	mm, desktops might have been a better word choice. and designers do.	[20:08]
asciilifeform	benkay: as described in my post (linked earlier.) it is easiest to ignore apple when one has no need for portable computer (i think it was mp, and a few others, who noted that they never needed a laptop)	[20:08]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform my laptop has a car.	[20:08]
benkay	y'all are in the fortunate position of having offices.	[20:08]
asciilifeform	lol	[20:08]
benkay	give me a year.	[20:08]
asciilifeform	then you have 3 offices. back to laptops.	[20:09]
ThickAsThieves	i do all my programming on tablet	[20:09]
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mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves you program nao ?	[20:09]
ThickAsThieves	no	[20:10]
benkay	he trollin	[20:10]
ThickAsThieves	other than hacking apart html and css to make websites look different sometimes	[20:10]
mircea_popescu	that's scripting	[20:10]
asciilifeform	'condemned to program for life, at Her Majesty's pleasure'	[20:10]
ThickAsThieves	but yeah i was trolling	[20:10]
ThickAsThieves	even scripting is too gracious a term for it	[20:11]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony so should i bother to read this thing or just wait for 2038 ?	[20:11]
ThickAsThieves	it's like editing variables	[20:11]
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mircea_popescu	thickasscriptkiddies	[20:12]
ThickAsThieves	you spelled crypt wrongly	[20:12]
mircea_popescu	thick-ass-crypt-kitties.tumblr.com	[20:12]
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fluffypony	mircea_popescu: Read it, the more opinions the better	[20:12]
fluffypony	Out for supper, will catch up in a bit	[20:12]
ThickAsThieves	deviladvocate.biz new-user count is up 50% in 5 days. Almost ready to IPVO!	[20:14]
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mike_c	mircea_popescu: did you miss paying out a small dividend on s.bbet last month?	[20:31]
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mircea_popescu	mike_c no ?	[20:32]
jurov	http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-27192724 O.o	[20:33]
jurov	no ozbot? "In Toronto with the world’s feminist pornographers"	[20:33]
mike_c	hm. btcalpha accountants think that no div was paid last month, and 0.250730601 BTC should've been paid to shares on mpex.	[20:33]
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mike_c	of course, that's 9 digits after the decimal, so they can't really be trusted.	[20:34]
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mike_c	http://trilema.com/2014/bitbet-march-2014-statement/	[20:35]
ozbot	BitBet, March 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[20:35]
jurov	mike_c mpex dividends are really paid to 18 digits of accuracy	[20:35]
mike_c	;;calc (1.19395524 - 0.35818657) * 0.3	[20:35]
gribble	0.250730601	[20:35]
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jurov	just rouded to satoshi at the last possible moment	[20:35]
mircea_popescu	mike_c "Because MPEx shareholders were paid 3.68215306 BTC instead of the 1.10464591 BTC they were actually due for February, 30% of profits going forward will be allocated to covering that credit, in lieu of MPEx dividends. This sum comes to 0.99104946 BTC this current period, leaving the credit to be covered in following months at 1.22827111 BTC."	[20:35]
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mircea_popescu	what 1.19 ?	[20:36]
mike_c	30% goes to mistake, 70% should go to divs, yes?	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	the 30% that normally goes to mpex shareholders goes towards the credit	[20:37]
jurov	and the rest goes where?	[20:37]
mircea_popescu	nowhere	[20:37]
mike_c	ah, i get it	[20:37]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves:there's no "point" of bitcoin << he has a point	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic: for me it's beyond doubt coinbase is scaming with their high risk tx bullshit << he also has a point.	[20:39]
mike_c	jurov: 18 digits. you know way too much about mpex.	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	Naphex: whats wrong with DNS << that you didn't document your thing.	[20:41]
jurov	mike_c: i don't know nearly as much as i wish	[20:41]
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jurov	but anyway, the correct formula to compute your divs is	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves: you cant sound cool rapping bitcoin << i could pull it off.	[20:42]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 67 @ 0.041 = 2.747 BTC [-]	[20:43]
jurov	for MPOE: round_to_satoshi(99.77743063/500000000*)	[20:43]
jurov	where the 500000000 is a "float" sometimes obscure even for MP himself	[20:44]
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jurov	and _no_ other rounding is done, so the dividend is not a whole number of satoshi	[20:45]
jurov	despite being published as such	[20:45]
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mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves: well, nation << he's right davout_ mike_c. the us uses "nation" like "our great nation" "defending the nation" etc.	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	homeland is reviled from what i can see	[20:47]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4044 @ 0.00088324 = 3.5718 BTC [+]	[20:47]
Naphex	mircea_popescu: yeah i'll get some time to document it and make some examples.	[20:47]
pankkake	well, homeland security	[20:47]
Naphex	mircea_popescu: but guess what, emag is delivering my shizz woop:D	[20:47]
asciilifeform	u.s. uses 'nation' sorta like the comblok folks used 'people's republic'	[20:47]
asciilifeform	a kind of 'aspirational' tag	[20:47]
pankkake	the French might use Patrie, which is like the motherland but with a penis	[20:47]
asciilifeform	vaterland.	[20:47]
jurov	http://www.btcalpha.com/mpex/stocks/s-mpoe/ so mike_c at least you can publish the correct dividend per share when mircea neglects to	[20:47]
ozbot	S.MPOE Analysis - Btc Alpha	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	Naphex maybe they idle here.	[20:48]
asciilifeform	~= отечество	[20:48]
asciilifeform	rus. has both words	[20:48]
Naphex	mircea_popescu: probably, because before ranting about it here they couldn't find my paiments :))	[20:48]
Naphex	payments even:P	[20:48]
asciilifeform	('родина' ~= motherland)	[20:48]
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mircea_popescu	what happens when the fatherland and the motherland get in bed ?	[20:49]
asciilifeform	lol!	[20:49]
jurov	the div was exactly 19.955486126 satoshi per share	[20:49]
asciilifeform	(note the traditional engl. mistranslation of the russian term for ww2 - 'great patriotic war' - really, '	[20:49]
asciilifeform	'великая отечественная война' -> great fatherlandic war	[20:49]
mike_c	why not a 7 at the end?	[20:50]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves: just in the loop somewhat << prolly time to start grepping clients from hell for recognisable specifics.	[20:50]
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mike_c	given profit was 199.55486127	[20:50]
jurov	mircea_popescu: really, you tolerate almost 5% reporting error?	[20:50]
mircea_popescu	jurov hm ?	[20:51]
jurov	you publish dividend as 19 satoshi	[20:51]
mircea_popescu	May 09 14:23:57 [MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 99.77743063 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 19 satoshi per share	[20:51]
jurov	but it was exactly 19.955486126 satoshi per share	[20:51]
mircea_popescu	so ?	[20:51]
mircea_popescu	it truncates.	[20:52]
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jurov	you report truncated value that is 5% off from reality	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	a truncated value is truncated.	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	if the dividend was 0.9 it'd be reported as 0	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	calculating the % off from reality left as an exercise to the commenter.	[20:52]
Naphex	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/254pv8/the_bitcoin_foundation_must_remove_satoshi_as/	[20:53]
jurov	i know that's lost cause, hopefully at least mike_c starts reporting things right.	[20:53]
pankkake	"Now that a highly controversial figure has been elected" who?	[20:53]
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pankkake	eh, first comment "Can we request the Bitcoin Foundation remove itself?"	[20:54]
mircea_popescu	pankkake: they probably want to start over for good reasons << like getting paid.	[20:54]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves seriously, my call is that you've been identified as pork, and you are being farmed.	[20:54]
asciilifeform	;;google a pig like that you don't eat all at once	[20:57]
gribble	FARK.com: (8147761) A pig like that, you don't eat all at once: ; The Famous Pig - Animal Jokes - Jokes Place!: ; The Best Joke I Can Tell In Sports Illustrated - 04.11.05 - SI Vault: (1 more message)	[20:57]
mike_c	jurov: my only hesitation is that i would have to maintain "how many shares are held on mpex" for each symbol so i could do my own calculations. for example, what's that number for f.mpif?	[20:57]
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jurov	mike_c i envy you the luxury to hesitate about it	[20:58]
mircea_popescu	mike_c you can just pick up assbot's announcements i guess	[20:58]
mike_c	assbot announces divs?	[20:58]
jurov	yes, grep for [PAID]	[20:58]
mircea_popescu	i just quioted it above dood	[20:58]
mircea_popescu	http://news.yahoo.com/young-children-could-face-bullying-charges-city-164036847.html	[20:58]
ozbot	Young children could face bullying charges in city - Yahoo News	[20:58]
mircea_popescu	how the fuck can someone purport to raise children in the us.	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	if my kids didn't bully the loser kids i'd slit their throat with my own fucking hand	[20:59]
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asciilifeform	probably in the same city where cats were forbidden to devour birds.	[21:00]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 302 @ 0.00089843 = 0.2713 BTC [+] {2}	[21:02]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform no, actually, in the city where black people burn down the downtown if the wrong team wins whatever game	[21:02]
mircea_popescu	it's so hypocritical it bleeds.	[21:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 325 @ 0.00089871 = 0.2921 BTC [+] {4}	[21:03]
fluffypony	bounce:amazingly, still so many project managers that haven't read _The Mythical Man-Month_ <- they should have that as required reading in school, yo	[21:04]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony http://blog.spagni.net/posts/2014-05-09/#comment-1377068971 yw.	[21:04]
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fluffypony	mircea_popescu: tks	[21:04]
fluffypony	hah hah	[21:05]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: afaik the 'bully' crap is mostly 'concern trolling', schoolboys are not yet jailed en masse for using their fists	[21:05]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform who knows by now.	[21:05]
mircea_popescu	i've tried this experiment, if you clench your fists and make for any twentysomething, they'll put their hands over their head and stop sobbing	[21:06]
mircea_popescu	s/stop/start/	[21:06]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 11 @ 0.041 = 0.451 BTC [-]	[21:06]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: wait what, lol! in Ro ?	[21:06]
mircea_popescu	considering how chickenshitty they grow up, there must be something unnatural happening to them in school.	[21:06]
mircea_popescu	yes in ro.	[21:07]
mike_c	<+mircea_popescu> asciilifeform no, actually, in the city where black people burn down the downtown if the wrong team wins whatever game << well, you know, maybe they had a big bet on the game :D	[21:07]
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mircea_popescu	mike_c im sure they did. five car wheels and a baggie o crystalz.	[21:07]
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asciilifeform	more interestingly, sometimes (at least in 'college towns') there is chaos if... the 'right' team wins. celebratory riot.	[21:08]
mircea_popescu	that's with fucking tho neh ?	[21:08]
mike_c	i know right? like tearing down goal posts	[21:08]
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mircea_popescu	princessnell maybe go in #freenode and ask for a cloak ?	[21:08]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26115 @ 0.00088688 = 23.1609 BTC [+]	[21:09]
Naphex	real men use real hosts:D	[21:09]
Naphex	hehe	[21:09]
asciilifeform	mike_c: over here, they sometimes celebrate by wrecking shop windows, lighting fires in the road, etc. but a public and ostentatious mass police beating put a bit of a pause in this 'colourful tradition' - at least, for now.	[21:09]
pankkake	Naphex: exactly	[21:10]
mike_c	asciilifeform: NYPD doesn't put up with that crap either	[21:10]
fluffypony	benkay:Magento's a really good example of this. <- this is so freakin' true. Even worse are when they pay for a ton of dev work on Magento Community Edition and then move to Magento Enterprise, and basically have to re-engineer and re-do all the work	[21:10]
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mircea_popescu	omfg he deleted my comment	[21:13]
mircea_popescu	CENSORSHEEP	[21:13]
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fluffypony	mircea_popescu: I haven't	[21:15]
fluffypony	it's "pending approval"	[21:15]
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mircea_popescu	a my cookie died ?	[21:15]
fluffypony	I'm just too lazy to login to my moderation thing	[21:15]
mircea_popescu	mk	[21:15]
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fluffypony	normally it sends an email and I can reply to the mail to approve	[21:15]
fluffypony	but no mail yet, so I'll login and approve it later	[21:15]
pankkake	I was able to see it with the link	[21:15]
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mircea_popescu	o look, she got a cloak too	[21:19]
Apocalyptic	dem girls know to IRC nao	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	https://neocities.org/blog/the-fcc-is-now-rate-limited	[21:20]
ozbot	The Official NeoCities Blog	[21:20]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: I linked to that hours ago, yo	[21:21]
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fluffypony	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-05-2014#667307	[21:21]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[21:21]
punkman	so that guy was selling mining contracts without having anything: "Your bought contract NOT started, because our mining rig seller from China not delivered our bought mining rig and we lost our paid 4500 USD."	[21:21]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07921715 = 0.1584 BTC [+]	[21:21]
fluffypony	punkman: "lost"	[21:22]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony i know, that's where i got it from	[21:22]
fluffypony	ah ok	[21:22]
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mircea_popescu	i wanted to make a ocmment, but then i couldn't understand what comment i want to make.	[21:23]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.041 = 0.123 BTC [-] {2}	[21:23]
mircea_popescu	so some random nobody throttled... the access "of fcc" to his random site nobody but you reads ?	[21:23]
mircea_popescu	that consists mostly of... text ?	[21:24]
mircea_popescu	i'm not on the right drugs am i.	[21:24]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 8 @ 0.041 = 0.328 BTC [-]	[21:24]
mircea_popescu	" Designed as a 21st century reincarnation of GeoCities, Neocities lets you make your own site for free. And it just might spark a renaissance of creativity online. "	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	o wait, he takes doge.	[21:25]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: their effort isn't the big deal - they published the nginx rules, and there's been a bit of uptake from other sites implementing them	[21:25]
fluffypony	nothing important	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	so basically, every failed marketing fucktard in the world has by now flocked to doge coins, as a great example of the "unlimted possibility" and "all that cvould be achieved" for marketing fucktards, in their own opinion.	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	thats what it is innit	[21:25]
fluffypony	but who knows, maybe it'll become "a thing", to quote ThickAsThieves :-P	[21:25]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6 @ 0.041 = 0.246 BTC [-] {2}	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	but what'd be the thing ?	[21:26]
mircea_popescu	i mean, fcc employees aren't supposed to derp on random etsy boutique blogs on their fcc connections anwyay	[21:26]
mircea_popescu	now if porntube did this...	[21:26]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 8 @ 0.041 = 0.328 BTC [-]	[21:26]
pankkake	indeed: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-05-07/porn-watching-epa-employee-found-by-agency-watchdog.html	[21:27]
fluffypony	I know, it's kinda like the occupy wall street of the Internet :-P	[21:27]
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danielpbarron	mircea_popescu, do you plan on keeping the price of trilema credits the same forever, or is buying trilema credits an act of shorting BTC?	[21:28]
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mircea_popescu	danielpbarron wait, aren't those two clauses unrelated ?	[21:28]
asciilifeform	speaking of derpatronics: there i was, trying to pick up some chair on the cheap, and saw:	[21:29]
asciilifeform	http://baltimore.craigslist.org/bfd/4399390408.html	[21:29]
ozbot	Robotics Venture	[21:29]
fluffypony	s/or/and ?	[21:29]
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danielpbarron	mircea_popescu, if the price in BTC is going to change as the price of BTC changes, then wouldn't buying credits be like buying into FIAT (shorting BTC)?	[21:29]
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danielpbarron	oops, price of trilema credits	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron ah ah.	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	well imo they're much too cheap atm, so ima not change them a while.	[21:30]
danielpbarron	if the price of trilema credits in BTC..	[21:30]
asciilifeform	trilema credit is probably the life support hose keeping tor alive...	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	lol	[21:31]
danielpbarron	right, they are cheap at the moment if you think of it in terms of the current FIAT price of BTC, but they are expensive if you are really long on BTC	[21:31]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 450 * 0.01 / 10000	[21:31]
gribble	0.00045	[21:31]
pankkake	what, you people don't have ~10 IPv4s on hand?	[21:31]
mircea_popescu	that can't be right.	[21:31]
fluffypony	danielpbarron: so take $5, buy Bitcoin in -OTC, buy credits	[21:32]
mircea_popescu	that is right. holy shit.	[21:32]
mircea_popescu	well, let's say i won't change the price until btc reaches 1mn each	[21:32]
danielpbarron	fluffypony, that's not the point; I guess what I mean is: is buying trilema credits like an investment denominated in BTC?	[21:32]
fluffypony	when btc reaches 1 mil I'm selling stock in my remaining trilema credits	[21:32]
fluffypony	:-P	[21:33]
danielpbarron	^^	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	lol	[21:33]
danielpbarron	good info to know; thank you	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	people ocasionalyl just want to make a donation, and so i think there are some people with 5 or 10 btc's worht	[21:33]
fluffypony	danielpbarron: I think the cost is too low to have a measurable impact on one's personal wealth	[21:33]
mike_c	it's like selling private keys though, doesn't work. you can't enforce that you won't use the cookie after selling.	[21:33]
danielpbarron	fluffypony, someone could buy way more credits than they need with the plan of selling them in the future	[21:34]
mike_c	except you can't sell them :)	[21:34]
fluffypony	I mean, when BTC is at 1mil a pack of Trilema creds will be worth $10k. if you're long on BTC you'll have a net worth an order of magnitude higher than that, so it'll be irrelevant.	[21:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.1333333 = 0.2667 BTC [-]	[21:35]
pankkake	you could action the credits	[21:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12650 @ 0.00088713 = 11.2222 BTC [+]	[21:35]
fluffypony	mike_c: you could run a proxy using your cookie	[21:35]
pankkake	auction*	[21:35]
mike_c	ok, proxy would work. if the buyer accepts your counterparty risk.	[21:35]
fluffypony	yesh	[21:36]
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pankkake	!up wolverineks	[21:36]
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thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: how does one get gpg certified on your blog?	[21:36]
fluffypony	well when BTC is at 1mil	[21:36]
fluffypony	it'll cost $450 per view	[21:36]
thestringpuller	like hanbot	[21:36]
danielpbarron	that's what I was thinking	[21:36]
pankkake	oh that's what the icon means?	[21:36]
asciilifeform	gpg certified?	[21:36]
danielpbarron	and it would be worth it too	[21:36]
fluffypony	so I'd imagine selling proxied access will be worthwhile	[21:36]
asciilifeform	i thought it meant 'employed as cryptographer'	[21:37]
thestringpuller	oh	[21:37]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 8 @ 0.041 = 0.328 BTC [-] {2}	[21:37]
pankkake	if I was selling content, I wouldn't want to be the one thinking of the price	[21:37]
Apocalyptic	i thought it meant 'employed as cryptographer' // wait, hanbot is a cryptographer N	[21:37]
pankkake	it's actually why I like to sell on auctions: I'm not setting the price	[21:37]
danielpbarron	if Bitcoin is worth 1000000 USD, a trilema page view probably really is worth 450 USD per view	[21:37]
mircea_popescu	an order of magnitude << really.	[21:37]
mircea_popescu	apparently they have large penises AND large orders of magnitude in south africa	[21:38]
bounce	can't order magnitudes here.	[21:38]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller what do you mean gpog certified ?	[21:38]
asciilifeform	Apocalyptic: wait, hanbot is a cryptographer << i've no idea. possibly.	[21:38]
thestringpuller	i guess I'm misunderstanding the little key symbol on your blog	[21:38]
mircea_popescu	oh that.	[21:38]
fluffypony	colloquialism, bitches: http://www.gabrielweinberg.com/blog/2013/01/orders-of-magnitude.html	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/category/criptograme/	[21:39]
ozbot	Criptograme pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	i had a guess the word contest whatever you call it in english	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	if you figure out enough of them you get a key	[21:39]
thestringpuller	Oh. that's neat!	[21:39]
thestringpuller	thanks answering mircea_popescu	[21:39]
asciilifeform	lol!	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2012/criptograma-starii-lucrurilor-celor-moi-de-mijloc/	[21:40]
ozbot	Criptograma starii lucrurilor celor moi de mijloc. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[21:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20841 @ 0.00088745 = 18.4953 BTC [+] {2}	[21:40]
asciilifeform	i actually thought it was 'cryptographer / radioman / funker.'	[21:40]
mircea_popescu	for instance that is "curva nasoala", which means nasty whore	[21:40]
bounce	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptogram	[21:40]
ozbot	Cryptogram - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[21:40]
mircea_popescu	cur (ass) + v nas (nose) oala (pot)	[21:40]
Apocalyptic	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptogram // unrelated	[21:40]
ozbot	Cryptogram - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[21:40]
Apocalyptic	meant to quote bounce	[21:41]
thestringpuller	lol sorry for derailing the conversation ~_~	[21:41]
bounce	huh, different thing that I know by that name	[21:41]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 'назойливая курва' !	[21:41]
*	asciilifeform has been dipping into the slavic influence in Ro. lang.	[21:42]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2011/criptograma-locosexuala/	[21:42]
ozbot	Criptograma locosexuala pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[21:42]
mircea_popescu	this one is sex in baie (fucking in the bathroom). sec (dry) sin (tit) baie (mine)	[21:42]
bounce	probably "crossword" then, though that'd depend on the type of clue given	[21:42]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform yeah but shorter :D	[21:42]
bounce	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptic_crossword <-- probably this one	[21:43]
ozbot	Cryptic crossword - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[21:43]
mircea_popescu	bounce i guess it'd be "criptograph" or something	[21:43]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform fun fact : as far as romanian linguists are concerned, nasol comes as gypsy influence	[21:44]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.041 = 0.164 BTC [-] {2}	[21:44]
mircea_popescu	and re funker : did i ever link you to my phreakin' da intercom article ? http://trilema.com/2009/de-interfonibus/	[21:45]
mircea_popescu	i must have.	[21:45]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: not 'nocere' ?	[21:46]
asciilifeform	(lat)	[21:46]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13107 @ 0.0008865 = 11.6194 BTC [-] {2}	[21:46]
asciilifeform	or in Ro. the linguists also come from the ducks, who are loaded off the trucks ?	[21:46]
pankkake	[D!up peterL	[21:46]
pankkake	!up peterL	[21:47]
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pankkake	one day, I'll up on the first time	[21:47]
peterL	thanks pankkake :)	[21:47]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.041 = 0.164 BTC [-]	[21:47]
mircea_popescu	NASÓL, -OÁLĂ, nasoli, -oale, adj., s. m. și f. (Arg.) 1. Adj., s. m. și f. (Om) urât sau ridicol. 2. Adj. (Despre obiecte) De proastă calitate; urât, uzat; caraghios. – Din țig. nasvalo „bolnav'”, nasul „rău, meschin”.	[21:47]
mircea_popescu	tig being "gyp"	[21:47]
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peterL	has anybody had experience with escrow.ms on bitcointalk forum for doing escrow? are they reputable?	[21:48]
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mircea_popescu	not heard of them.	[21:48]
mircea_popescu	i did use saltyspitoon once without trouble.	[21:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.0725 = 1.015 BTC [-] {3}	[21:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 25 @ 0.041 = 1.025 BTC [-]	[21:51]
asciilifeform	http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/5313/53415412.2f/0_607c0_8f2afb51_XXL.jpg	[21:52]
bounce	aw. no morse?	[21:52]
asciilifeform	alternatively,	[21:52]
asciilifeform	http://trx.ucoz.ua/_ph/3/2/547117208.jpg	[21:52]
mircea_popescu	1st version is better	[21:52]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.041 = 0.123 BTC [-] {2}	[21:53]
asciilifeform	agreed.	[21:53]
asciilifeform	http://pix.photone.me/file/5605.jpg	[21:54]
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pankkake	nice racks	[21:55]
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mircea_popescu	Imagine that every car maker save for Toyota insisted on using the infamous East German Trabant as a standard of quality – yet blindly imitated random elements of Toyota’s visual design. How long would it take for the whiners to appear on the scene and start making noises about monopolistic tyranny?	[21:58]
mircea_popescu	this is a fine point indeed.	[21:58]
mircea_popescu	http://www.loper-os.org/?p=132 and nao this expolains a lot	[22:00]
ozbot	Loper OS » Non-Apple’s Mistake	[22:00]
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mircea_popescu	I should also note that no one else makes a laptop whose metallic chassis enables it to pass the “Creak Test” – hold a device by two opposite corners and flex gently. Do you hear a noise of any kind? If so, you are holding a mechanically-unsound piece of garbage.	[22:01]
asciilifeform	(this - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=316 - less-interesting - post, was an answer to the derpage generated by the above.)	[22:02]
TheNewDeal	if you grabbed a computer case by two opposite corners and flex gently, does it make a noise?	[22:02]
pankkake	uh, https://discussions.apple.com/___sbsstatic___/migration-images/841/8417178-2.jpg is not a rare occurence	[22:02]
asciilifeform	pankkake: that looks like the familiar Li battery swell.	[22:03]
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pankkake	if you hold a macbook with only one hand too much, they'll eventually bend	[22:03]
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asciilifeform	if you drive a truck over it, it will also bend.	[22:04]
mircea_popescu	if you fuck on top of it it will be fine tho	[22:04]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.074 = 0.148 BTC [+]	[22:04]
pankkake	so there's various degrees of holding it wrong	[22:04]
TheNewDeal	making a noise isn't necessarily indicative of mechanical integrity	[22:05]
asciilifeform	TheNewDeal: it was a 'litmus test', rather than absolute measure of anything	[22:05]
TheNewDeal	fine fine	[22:06]
asciilifeform	the chinese plastic turds fail, the machines which survive years in a rucksack without serious mechanical problem, generally pass	[22:06]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: that apple turd was an epic derpamatic, incidentally. ~500k views to date.	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	it's a good article.	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	you gotta learn to ignore the reactions to the major hits and focus on discussing the others.	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	nobody cares what many people think.	[22:11]
asciilifeform	yeah after i noticed what attracts derpmeisters, i moved on to other, more interesting subjects	[22:11]
mircea_popescu	"@SunSentinel · 1h Man drives Tesla from New York to Miami at no cost" who the fuck came up with this idiocy. the tesla is a luxury product. the people who buy luxury products are being sold on "no cost" housewife routines ?	[22:12]
asciilifeform	(note that the piece correctly describes the fate of apple corp. not that this deserves prize of any kind, it was pretty obvious)	[22:12]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 100 m^2 of photovoltaics is also a 'luxury product', but it marketed in just that same way.	[22:13]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the photovoltaics are not the product.	[22:14]
asciilifeform	russian army style.	[22:14]
asciilifeform	by painting it.	[22:14]
benkay	80k is a luxury product now?	[22:14]
mircea_popescu	if nipple piercings ensured the women carrying them will be used as fucktoys, giving away free cool nipple piercings would not be giving away any product either	[22:14]
asciilifeform	photovoltaics are not the product << the cocktail of self-righteous envirowhinerism and successful penny pinching (while 'pound-foolish') is the product.	[22:15]
mircea_popescu	benkay you seen the derpage ensuing from 30 btc mpex reg fee ?	[22:15]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform nah, more like, the more expensive housing is the product.	[22:15]
mircea_popescu	the actual cost to builkd a house now is ~5k.	[22:15]
mircea_popescu	this is why the market is collapsing all the damned time	[22:15]
mircea_popescu	if they could make it so building a house cost 100k,	[22:15]
mircea_popescu	then the economy would be stable.	[22:15]
asciilifeform	less, if you permit exotica like machine-sculpted concrete	[22:15]
mircea_popescu	so, they're trying.	[22:15]
bounce	5k what? dollars? that's a wooden shed, materials only, or what?	[22:16]
mircea_popescu	so the product is "getting photovoltaics to be common so they may be deemed standard so they may become mandatory so the developers can sell and the finance economy can work etc"	[22:16]
mircea_popescu	that's the product.	[22:16]
mircea_popescu	like the nipple pierced girls' fucking, being the product.	[22:16]
mircea_popescu	bounce all materials, house for a fambly.	[22:16]
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mircea_popescu	"@kristathomas Don't Be Right And Don't Ask Why: Essential Ingredients For Building A Team" << lol. just as long as your "team"'s not supposed to be apple.	[22:19]
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bounce	so where does the cost come from, labour?	[22:19]
mircea_popescu	bounce red tape, mostly.	[22:20]
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mircea_popescu	labour is a dollar an hour, you don't need much more than a few hundred man-hours anyway. renting the machinery and getting some concrete/sand/brick isn't the end of the world.	[22:21]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: the americans found a more barbaric and elegant solution to propping up housing costs - foreclose en masse and let the buildings rot, harvested by copper thieves, etc.	[22:32]
asciilifeform	rather than let price fall	[22:32]
mircea_popescu	not really. most prices are just depressing to all hell.	[22:34]
mircea_popescu	just, some here and there going the way of the rot	[22:34]
asciilifeform	there is definitely a palpable 'price floor', that remains solid, at least outside of war zones (e.g. detroit)	[22:35]
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asciilifeform	nobody is getting a house, in decent physical condition, near a major employment hub, for 10k. yet.	[22:36]
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asciilifeform	for so long as the racket of letting an average salaried schmuck borrow $MAXINT to repay for the rest of his life - the price floor will remain.	[22:37]
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nubbins`	so	[22:40]
nubbins`	http://imgur.com/tuyA5pC	[22:40]
ozbot	imgur: the simple image sharer	[22:40]
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nubbins`	^ i got a $50 parking ticket today	[22:40]
nubbins`	for parking too close to the stop sign.	[22:40]
nubbins`	"but maybe they put the permit parking sign in the wrong location"	[22:41]
nubbins`	http://imgur.com/n2mH95j	[22:41]
ozbot	imgur: the simple image sharer	[22:41]
nubbins`	http://imgur.com/7SqpDa8	[22:41]
ozbot	imgur: the simple image sharer	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform wasn't that ohio guy quoting in the 20k range ?	[22:42]
asciilifeform	ohio.	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	yea	[22:43]
asciilifeform	i bet alaska is cheaper still.	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	nah	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	very expensive. have to ferry all the shit	[22:43]
asciilifeform	ok, arizona.	[22:43]
nubbins`	cost of goods in alaska, too	[22:45]
nubbins`	have fun buying $50 watermelons	[22:45]
asciilifeform	i suspect that many people in usa would happily eat $50 watermelons in a $1000 house.	[22:46]
nubbins`	not sure about the usa, but if a canadian takes a job "up north", they get a government subsidy called the "northern allowance" to offset the increased price of goods	[22:46]
asciilifeform	but for some reason alaska climate puts them off.	[22:46]
nubbins`	$1000 house? nice try	[22:46]
nubbins`	$250k would get you a shack	[22:47]
asciilifeform	as mp pointed out some time last week, dynamiting the permafrost to lay foundations is costly, etc.	[22:47]
asciilifeform	one other thing about housing in usa - that is rarely spoken of in the open literature - is that the americans switched to housing price as a means of putting the '60-70s race wars on hold	[22:48]
asciilifeform	by auto-segregating	[22:48]
benkay	this poor kid	[22:49]
nubbins`	http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/231471/slide_231471_1073586_free.jpg	[22:49]
benkay	"i'm doing an internship this summer, and apparently i need to take an ethics course before i'm eligible for credits from the internship"	[22:49]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: where?	[22:49]
nubbins`	nunavut, canada	[22:49]
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benkay	welcome to the us, where you can't even work without the permission of the bureaucracy	[22:49]
nubbins`	home of the $50 watermelon and the $28 head of cabbage	[22:49]
benkay	at least you don't have to take a class to do an internship, nubbins`	[22:50]
nubbins`	rent/mortgage is 30% higher than south of 60, as well	[22:50]
nubbins`	on average	[22:50]
nubbins`	so much for cheap houses :D	[22:50]
nubbins`	benkay: internships are for suckers :D	[22:51]
asciilifeform	the reason why no experiment whatsoever with cheap housing en-masse is possible in usa, is that any locale with such becomes 'infested' overnight	[22:51]
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asciilifeform	to understand how this works, visit any u.s. location where the folks subsisting on gov. 'welfare' and petty crime can afford to live.	[22:52]
nubbins`	http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/231471/slide_231471_1073554_free.jpg	[22:53]
nubbins`	http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/231471/slide_231471_1073567_free.jpg	[22:53]
asciilifeform	(keeping them out via any means other than price is thoroughly forbidden by various laws, decades old at this point)	[22:53]
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nubbins`	http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/231471/slide_231471_1073614_free.jpg	[22:53]
mircea_popescu	benkay "credits" = ?	[22:53]
nubbins`	uni courses are generally assigned a number of credits	[22:54]
nubbins`	when i went, three credits per course was the norm	[22:54]
nubbins`	some courses with less hours (say, labs) would be 2 credits	[22:54]
nubbins`	and you need X credits to get Y degree	[22:54]
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Namworld	Hey, Compliments brand	[22:54]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: three credits per course was the norm << same. but with some comical undershoot. e.g. 'operating systems' took about 40h/week of actual work for most of the kids, but earned... 4 credit.	[22:55]
nubbins`	:(	[22:55]
nubbins`	TANJ	[22:55]
nubbins`	Namworld, you have Sobeys? :D	[22:55]
asciilifeform	given that most u.s. uni courses are priced per credit, few complain.	[22:55]
nubbins`	my entire bachelor's degree was a comical undershoot	[22:56]
Namworld	No, we have Metro	[22:56]
nubbins`	interesting, never heard of it	[22:57]
nubbins`	Compliments brand is owned by Sobeys	[22:57]
mircea_popescu	i went to school in a time before credits.	[22:58]
Namworld	Wait, wrong one... Compliments is from IGA	[22:58]
mircea_popescu	you wanted a degree, you had to pass all of a dozen or so courses.	[22:58]
nubbins`	a whole dozen courses!	[22:58]
nubbins`	i had to pass that many in my first year ;(	[22:59]
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nubbins`	http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/kenny-green-sentence-recommendation-shocks-victim-s-family-1.2637181	[22:59]
benkay	i hear tell of a mythical time where one could attempt the US bar without having a law degree.	[22:59]
ozbot	Kenny Green sentence recommendation shocks victim's family - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News	[22:59]
princessnell	egalitarians require we take their religion classes ("multicultural" courses) to graduate with any degree in most us universities	[23:00]
nubbins`	^ this murder happened about 50 metres from my house	[23:00]
nubbins`	good to know i'll be passing the guy in the street in a couple years	[23:00]
asciilifeform	benkay: after a few people did this, and passed, they tightened the screws	[23:00]
nubbins`	asciilifeform, benkay: gotta pay the piper!	[23:00]
benkay	didn't several us presidents do that asciilifeform ?	[23:00]
asciilifeform	long ago. before the 'edukation' racket.	[23:01]
nubbins`	FWIW this is loosely the plot of the tv show "suits"	[23:01]
Namworld	Oh, Sobeys bought the group that held the IGA franchise in 1998. Explain why they use same brand now.	[23:01]
nubbins`	genius finds himself taking bar exams for crappy students, ends up working sans degree at a prestigious law firm	[23:01]
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nubbins`	Namworld: nod, all a big mess. reminiscent of loblaws/superstore/dominion all selling President's Choice	[23:02]
bounce	there's the pay people to do homework racket. I'd be interested in selling such services (getting paid to learn? cool) except that it'd enable idiots to get diplomas.	[23:03]
Namworld	Eh, when it comes to food brands, it's all convoluted with sub-companies and multiple trademarks.	[23:03]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` whio the fuck can even pay attention to 12 things in a year	[23:03]
mircea_popescu	benkay you still can.	[23:03]
Namworld	Like most of the stuff in stores is like what, ultimately owned by 2-3 large conglomerates?	[23:05]
asciilifeform	getting paid to learn? cool << visit a u.s. uni, and see what kind of 'learning' you will do, if you were to take up this work.	[23:07]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: not me, as it turns out :D	[23:07]
nubbins`	not very well, at least	[23:07]
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bounce	the "name brand" stuff, yes. like, unilever, kraft, nestle?	[23:07]
Namworld	yeah	[23:07]
bounce	the own brand stuff is made to spec by smaller shops, though they make (supposedly to different spec) for various chains	[23:08]
Namworld	Of course now with home brands, there's less of this "name brand", but still.	[23:08]
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nubbins`	ah, the wonders of outsourcing	[23:09]
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nubbins`	vertically integrated supply chains don't really allow for this	[23:09]
nubbins`	not to the same degree, anyway	[23:09]
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benkay	!up locksley	[23:11]
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nubbins`	http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/how-do-you-take-apart-a-150-tonne-whale-1.2637654	[23:11]
ozbot	How do you take apart a 150-tonne whale? - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News	[23:11]
benkay	DYNAMITE	[23:11]
nubbins`	bunch of whales got trapped in the ice here recently	[23:11]
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nubbins`	washed up on the shores of some small communities	[23:11]
bounce	don't need a how-to for that. blow it up before it blows itself up.	[23:11]
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nubbins`	the royal ontario museum graciously took possession of the carcasses	[23:12]
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bounce	sold the meat to japan, or what?	[23:12]
nubbins`	heh	[23:12]
nubbins`	nah, analyzing all of the tissue and bringing the skeleton to a museum	[23:12]
nubbins`	turns out blue whale carcasses are incredibly hard to come by	[23:12]
nubbins`	i spent some time in trout river two years ago, strange Deliverance-esque place	[23:13]
nubbins`	very tiny, very rural community, surrounded by -- but not part of -- a national park and UNESCO world heritage site	[23:14]
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Namworld	There's a shortage of huge, hanging whale skeletons?	[23:21]
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mircea_popescu	princessnell no, a restaurant that accepts btc is not a bitcoin entrepreneur	[23:22]
mircea_popescu	but, they're for some reason really desperate to push this everyman btc angle, so...	[23:23]
Namworld	Hey, they actually look pretty nice https://www.flickr.com/photos/beatymuseum/4661706048/in/set-72157623691146419/	[23:23]
Namworld	I can see why they would be in demand.	[23:23]
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bitcoinpete	http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/05/bitcoin-miner-maker-fires-half-its-staff-declares-were-not-scammers/	[23:25]
bitcoinpete	hashfast lulz via princessnell	[23:25]
benkay	bitcoinpete: what are the target capitals?	[23:25]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: what about a restaurant that only accepts BTC?	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	i guess.	[23:25]
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bitcoinpete	benkay: let's decide right now	[23:25]
bitcoinpete	i imagine they'd be in europe and asia	[23:26]
benkay	buenos aires	[23:26]
mircea_popescu	bitcoinpete which one is this one ?	[23:26]
nubbins`	Namworld nod, graceful giants	[23:26]
bitcoinpete	http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/05/09/the-rothschilds-of-bitcoin/	[23:26]
ozbot	The Rothschilds of Bitcoin \| When Bitcoin Met Pete	[23:26]
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bitcoinpete	mircea_popescu: figuring out where to put the capitals of finance for the 21st and 22nd centuries	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	bitcoinpete no i mean the bitcoin miner	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	o hash fast yea	[23:28]
bitcoinpete	mircea_popescu: o http://hashfast.com/about-us/	[23:28]
bitcoinpete	"san fransisco-based"	[23:28]
princessnell	mircea_popescu i know. i have to be demure.	[23:28]
bitcoinpete	ceo is "Eduardo deCastro is a serial entrepreneur with a long track record of success"	[23:29]
mircea_popescu	what's being demure like ?	[23:29]
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mircea_popescu	bitcoinpete "A long track record of success, omitted here for reasons that were in turn omitted"	[23:29]
nubbins`	i've imagined it to be like having a secret, but i suspect that's more due to my not being demure by nature than to an actual understanding of the condition	[23:30]
benkay	hey -assets nginx or apache?	[23:30]
nubbins`	benkay IIS	[23:30]
bitcoinpete	mircea_popescu: it's so uncouth to name names	[23:30]
nubbins`	;D	[23:30]
bitcoinpete	hashfast vp of engineering: Amy most recently came from Engine Yard, where in less than two years she went from Senior Developer to Director of Engineering. She oversaw the development of the flagship product, EY Cloud, growing revenue by over 60% in one year.	[23:30]
princessnell	it's about putting an idea in someone's head without outright saying it	[23:30]
joecool	"serial entrepreneur"	[23:31]
mircea_popescu	princessnell my only familiarity with the term is in the context "he proposed but she demured", ie, how to end up a spinster.	[23:31]
benkay	demur != demure	[23:32]
princessnell	ah. i see.	[23:32]
benkay	demur 0> demurred	[23:33]
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bitcoinpete	mircea_popescu: what's this definition in context stuff? i could've sworn we had dictionaries for a reason ;)	[23:33]
benkay	demure is something else entirely.	[23:33]
fluffypony	bitcoinpete: senior dev to director of engineering in 2 years? seems legit.	[23:33]
benkay	fluffypony: engineyard. seems legit.	[23:33]
princessnell	this is more or less what i mean: http://www.firstprinciplesjournal.com/articles.aspx?article=871	[23:33]
benkay	derpy rails hosting operation dot butts	[23:33]
fluffypony	lol	[23:33]
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mircea_popescu	bitcoinpete yeah, and the dictionaries end up looking like lists of contexts	[23:34]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony you dispute the track record of success ?	[23:34]
nubbins`	;;dict demur	[23:34]
gribble	wn: demur n 1: (law) a formal objection to an opponent's pleadings [syn: {demur}, {demurral}, {demurrer}] v 1: take exception to; "he demurred at my suggestion to work on Saturday" [syn: {demur}, {except}] 2: enter a demurrer	[23:34]
nubbins`	;;dict demure	[23:34]
gribble	wn: demure adj 1: affectedly modest or shy especially in a playful or provocative way [syn: {coy}, {demure}, {overmodest}]	[23:34]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: I dispute that "Director of Engineering" means what they think it means	[23:34]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` they're not really distinct. same root, abranch was broken off to rub clits with is all.	[23:35]
nubbins`	broken branch nub rub	[23:35]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony would you prefer engineer of directoring ?	[23:35]
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fluffypony	mircea_popescu: they should call a spade a spade and just say "was still a senior developer, but we lost a bunch of managers and needed a lead developer that needed a sense of self-importance"	[23:36]
mircea_popescu	edm life added you to list edmnewsdaily/awesome-people-108	[23:36]
mircea_popescu	this dude has 108 lists of awesome people ?	[23:36]
mircea_popescu	i wanna be him now.	[23:36]
fluffypony	lol	[23:36]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony your spade is very lengthy.	[23:36]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: that's what she said	[23:36]
bitcoinpete	http://www.sec.gov/News/Speech/Detail/Speech/1370541764008#.U207v1za7FK	[23:37]
ozbot	SEC.gov \| Remarks to the Council of Institutional Investors	[23:37]
asciilifeform	ever notice how the tech hucksters use names like 'rails,' 'engine yard,' etc. - meant to evoke pictures of an era when industry was still in good health	[23:38]
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mircea_popescu	yea	[23:38]
bitcoinpete	"The federal securities laws are built upon the premise that an informed investor is the key to robust and efficient nature of our markets." << the root problems	[23:38]
fluffypony	asciilifeform: yeah, I'm waiting for one of the CEOs to start calling himself "the Conductor"	[23:38]
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asciilifeform	Conducător.	[23:39]
fluffypony	lol	[23:39]
asciilifeform	Il Conduttore.	[23:39]
asciilifeform	etc	[23:39]
fluffypony	Serial Entrepreductor	[23:40]
bitcoinpete	"Questions about whether a market is trustworthy go to the heart of a market’s survival. Is the market fair? Is it efficient? How does it facilitate capital formation? Are investors protected? Do you trust it?"	[23:40]
mircea_popescu	;;google Conducător	[23:40]
gribble	Conducător - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; conducător - Wiktionary: ; Şcoala Tînărului Conducător Ediţia XII-a - Seara Culturală, CLT ...:	[23:40]
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mircea_popescu	this is what various romanian derps called themselves	[23:41]
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asciilifeform	aye	[23:41]
davout	bitcointalk is so fucking priceless sometimes	[23:41]
asciilifeform	i didn't pull it directly out of me arse	[23:41]
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mircea_popescu	a ok	[23:41]
davout	"Personally, I like cryptostocks except for the amount of scams on it"	[23:41]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha	[23:41]
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mircea_popescu	funny how terminally braindamaged entities which by the very definition of the term can not possibly have a personal relation to anything	[23:42]
asciilifeform	'i like rotting meat just fine except for the number of weevils'	[23:42]
jborkl	Hashfast update blog We are not scammers- we are just really fucking stupid	[23:42]
mircea_popescu	liberally sprinkle "personally" in coversation	[23:42]
jborkl	http://hashfast.com/on-why-were-not-scammers/	[23:42]
bitcoinpete	jborkl: now there's a difference	[23:43]
mircea_popescu	this should become part of hs curricula	[23:44]
mircea_popescu	"write a 500 word essay as to why you're not a scammer"	[23:44]
jborkl	amazing team	[23:45]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[23:45]
jborkl	heh still rings true	[23:45]
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jborkl	kako you need to add amazing team now	[23:45]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[23:45]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 12 @ 0.041 = 0.492 BTC [-]	[23:46]
davout	i should make a bot that echoes assbot, the chan would explode the instant someone says amazing	[23:46]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[23:46]
mircea_popescu	http://pastebin.com/g32bBRLV	[23:46]
mircea_popescu	any bets as to what she does next?	[23:46]
mircea_popescu	sues me for e-bullying ? aneurism ?	[23:46]
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bitcoinpete	so who can hook me up with a coinbr referral code?	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	jurov ?	[23:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.041 = 0.123 BTC [-]	[23:51]
jborkl	mircea-popescu : Did I really see the Bitcoin awards list or was someone goofing?	[23:51]
bitcoinpete	mircea_popescu: that'd be awesome if jurov would	[23:52]
bitcoinpete	unless someone else wants to scoop it	[23:53]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07260599 = 0.363 BTC [-] {4}	[23:53]
thestringpuller	HAHAHAHAHAHAHA	[23:54]
thestringpuller	I know Gina Luttrell	[23:54]
thestringpuller	WOW	[23:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 9 @ 0.041 = 0.369 BTC [-]	[23:54]
thestringpuller	more amazing than assbot	[23:54]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	jborkl i have no idea	[23:54]
benkay	mircea_popescu: i don't know how you have the fucks to give about people who communicate in gifs.	[23:55]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: re: languages and the arts: see if you can digest this russian tidbit: 'Штирлиц встал с позаранку и отодрал занавеску. Он не знал, что Позаранку и Занавеску - румынские разведчицы.'	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	jborkl how would you distinguish between those two cases ?	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	either way it's someone goofing.	[23:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07696999 = 0.3079 BTC [+]	[23:55]
jborkl	well, touche	[23:55]
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mircea_popescu	benkay nono, really angry mediocre middle aged woman. she KNOWS.	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	feminism is like fucking math, forget social sciences. you can be wrong in feminism nao.	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	anyway, the turmoil of the unworthy amuses me. i'm not the sort that calls the cops if you break in.	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	i'm the sort that shoots you in both shoulders and both knees, then pulls a chair close and watches you bleed.	[23:57]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07696999 = 0.6927 BTC [+] {2}	[23:57]
thestringpuller	so why is Gina whining?	[23:57]
mircea_popescu	i dunno, someone was wrong.	[23:57]
thestringpuller	some feminist mumbo jumbo I presume	[23:57]
mircea_popescu	on like the internet or something. i didn't go into that much detail.	[23:57]
thestringpuller	obviously not her	[23:57]
mircea_popescu	i just realised that her name is gina and she goes by VGsomething	[23:58]
thestringpuller	never argue with a girl from Agnes Scott	[23:58]
thestringpuller	she's proud of her vagina?	[23:58]
mircea_popescu	what's agnes scott ?	[23:58]
thestringpuller	;;google Agnes Scott	[23:58]
gribble	Agnes Scott College: ; Agnes Scott: ; Agnes Scott College - Admission:	[23:58]
thestringpuller	an all girls college	[23:58]
asciilifeform	'my vagina is my village.' - seen printed on a tshirt, at the university i live near.	[23:58]
thestringpuller	here in Atlanta	[23:58]
mircea_popescu	like a vassar for poor midwestern would be carrie bradshaws ?	[23:58]

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