Forum logs for 10 May 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform stirlitz rose from sofa and tore at the curtain, wherein a romanian spy was hiding ? [00:01]
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thestringpuller mircea_popescu: yea pretty much that. also most guys are told not to date anyone from there because they may run off with your penis in the middle of the night [00:02]
Apocalyptic i lol'd [00:03]
mircea_popescu i imagine they make great lays actually. [00:03]
mircea_popescu "Hysteresis defeatism interprets a weak recovery due to inadequate stimulus as a reason not to try more stimulus" [00:04]
mircea_popescu ahaha i would say i have my twitter tuned to perfection. [00:04]
mircea_popescu "hysteresis" you see. it's like, all scientific and crap. [00:05]
mircea_popescu like global warming [00:05]
mircea_popescu no wait. i mean like catastrophic racist white man made computer driven opression. [00:05]
mircea_popescu or w/e it's called now [00:05]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 200 @ 0.00085021 = 0.17 BTC [-] [00:06]
asciilifeform 1) get academtard job 2) connect 'shannonizer' 3) profit [00:06]
asciilifeform (in case anyone thinks this only works for the pheminists, ) [00:07]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: i imagine they make great lays actually. << oh most definitely but i was told never to put your dick in crazy no matter how good the lay is [00:07]
asciilifeform obligatory (oldie): [00:07]
asciilifeform [00:07]
ozbot arXiv vs. snarXiv [00:07]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller well if you listen to everything you're told... [00:08]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: stierlitz rose bright-and-early ('с позаранку') and tore back the curtain ('отодрал занавеску'). little did he know that Позаранку and Занавеску were Romanian spygirls. ('отодрал' can also mean 'fucked raw'; the first segment is a gag on the rus. accusative declension '-у.) [00:10]
mircea_popescu lol [00:11]
Apocalyptic oh most definitely but i was told never to put your dick in crazy no matter how good the lay is // they prolly wanted to keep them for themselves [00:11]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'встал с позаранку' in this case - 'lifted himself off Pozaranku' [00:12]
asciilifeform 'traduttore tradittore.' [00:13]
asciilifeform why did i even try. [00:13]
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jborkl 'my vagina is my village.' - seen printed on a tshirt, at the university i live near. <1. That is a really big vagina 2. Does that mean they live in vagina village or that they are lesbo? I dont get it [00:15]
asciilifeform jborkl: i didn't ask. [00:15]
jborkl heh [00:15]
asciilifeform all i could think of was the infamous 'we had to destroy the village in order to save it' (u.s. papers, circa vietnam war) [00:16]
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jborkl that pussy got pounded [00:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 14 @ 0.03320007 = 0.4648 BTC [+] {2} [00:17]
jborkl I crack myself up [00:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 155 @ 0.03300204 = 5.1153 BTC [-] {2} [00:18]
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mircea_popescu one quarterpounder of pussy [00:19]
mircea_popescu no cheez. [00:19]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 54 @ 0.0065379 = 0.353 BTC [+] [00:19]
jborkl haha gross [00:20]
jborkl I can't believe you said that I am so offended [00:20]
mircea_popescu i wonder what % of the various derps i ask for a quote from, receive a horribly mangled piece of nonsense that I never reply to realise that they fucked up. [00:20]
mircea_popescu also, [00:21]
asciilifeform this animal is better known for the other end of its digestive tract... [00:21]
mircea_popescu hehe yea [00:24]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03172482 = 0.3172 BTC [+] [00:24]
mike_c i'm all for free speech and what not, but you guys are being really generous not cutting this crap: [00:25]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 24 @ 0.041 = 0.984 BTC [-] [00:25]
BingoBoingo mike_c: There is no greater endorsement that would be competitors being forced to advertise on your platform. [00:26]
BingoBoingo *than [00:26]
mike_c yes, but generally you make them pay for the privelege [00:26]
mircea_popescu eh fuck em, you tell me someone's going to bother select that gnarl and paste it in browswe window ? [00:27]
mircea_popescu let the kids have their free speech, they'll use it for a good purpose whether they want to or not. [00:28]
pankkake bitcoinpete: if not too late [00:29]
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bitcoinpete sorry pankkake and artifexd, looks like peterL scooped it [00:30]
mircea_popescu he dun scooped ? [00:30]
bitcoinpete it's a peter thing [00:30]
artifexd The penalty for reading the logs in batches instead of realtime... [00:30]
pankkake what are the numbers in the fairly thing? I don't get it [00:32]
mircea_popescu lol quora joins yc [00:33]
mircea_popescu wasn't the new paul graham derping about how they "frown" on corps that went through other "accelerators" because they should have been already accelerated ? [00:33]
benkay that's not an acceleration nearly as much as it is a prolonging of imminent demise [00:34]
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mircea_popescu i hjave no idea wtf they must have been thinking. [00:35]
mircea_popescu isn;t that thing proposing that it's worth ~1bn, ie more than mpex these days ? [00:35]
pankkake isn't quora just a forum where ycombinators derp at each other? [00:35]
mike_c quora just closed an $80m funding round.. [00:35]
mircea_popescu pretty much. [00:35]
mircea_popescu mike_c wasn't it 150mn ? [00:36]
pankkake why. WHY [00:36]
mircea_popescu someone pulled out ? [00:36]
mircea_popescu pankkake i dunno why dood. ask mike_c, he understands the whys of marketcaps. [00:36]
mike_c maybe you saw the total. they've raised 140 total [00:36]
mircea_popescu mike_c a right you are. [00:36]
mike_c YC companies are supposed to hand over 6% of their company to join [00:37]
mircea_popescu i dunno how the fuck a fixed % can work [00:38]
asciilifeform for investment of... $15k ? [00:38]
asciilifeform last i checked [00:38]
bitcoinpete mike_c: ayup, i know a guy who's going to san fran for 3 months this summer to go through the yc meat processor. it's 6% [00:38]
asciilifeform (and, of course, a drink of 'holy water') [00:38]
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mike_c well, obviously no fucking way quora is doing that. [00:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11057 @ 0.00088522 = 9.7879 BTC [+] [00:40]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12518 @ 0.00088423 = 11.0688 BTC [-] {2} [00:42]
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benkay they bumped to 140k i b'leev. [00:43]
benkay dat qe. [00:43]
asciilifeform 140k barely buys a garbage truck. [00:44]
benkay yc companies barely out-revenue a single-truck garbage hauling operation. [00:45]
fluffypony [00:46]
fluffypony turn off active and exited so you're only looking at Dead [00:46]
fluffypony "Whitenoise is like a social network for the music industry." [00:47]
benkay FitFU [00:47]
benkay yeah that's great. [00:47]
fluffypony I say we pick one of these every week, setup a bullshit site, and list it on BitcoinBourse or CryptoStocks [00:48]
fluffypony see how long before someone notices [00:48]
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benkay hue hue hue [00:48]
mircea_popescu lol [00:50]
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mircea_popescu and spend the proceeds on lobbying for having vessenes appointed submarine captain in the vietnamese fleet ? [00:51]
fluffypony hah hah [00:51]
mircea_popescu (which, btw, is and has been for a while engaged in a standoff with th echinese fleet over some shoals [00:51]
mircea_popescu apparently those people exist to stick in superpowers' beaks) [00:51]
bounce so garbage hauling is a sound investment, you say? fan of the fun lovin' criminals perchance? [00:52]
fluffypony OR we spend the money lobbying to have Kim Jong-un voted on to the Bitcoin Foundation [00:52]
mircea_popescu or both. why not have both ? [00:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30700 @ 0.0008877 = 27.2524 BTC [+] {3} [00:52]
fluffypony both it is! [00:52]
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bounce bit late, two guys got voted in today. getting someone booted would help. who'd you want booted? [00:52]
mircea_popescu i bashed this entire thing btw. it's too lulzy [00:53]
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fluffypony davout: "MPEx is a scam, and this is one of his shells" <- we forgot to ask him how we're shells [00:57]
fluffypony seashells? [00:57]
jborkl No Mpex has the double cheery truck seal [00:58]
pankkake fluffypony: cd troll ; ls [00:58]
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jborkl so no scam, what award do they have? [00:58]
davout fluffypony: if the guy was able to write properly he probably wouldn't be that retarded :D [00:58]
fluffypony pankkake: core dumped [00:58]
pankkake stock pumped [00:58]
fluffypony whoot whoot, buy neo&bee! [00:59]
fluffypony actually I have found a place worse than the forums [00:59]
fluffypony the chat box / troll box on btc-e or cryptsy is WAY worse than the forums [00:59]
mircea_popescu lmao [01:00]
mircea_popescu you're such a noob. [01:00]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: twas accidental [01:00]
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fluffypony support button is on the left, chat is on the right, I clicked the wrong one [01:00]
fluffypony then it was like watching a car accident [01:01]
fluffypony I couldn't turn away for like 5 minutes [01:01]
jborkl Havelock to Sponsor Int. Kickboxing Event [01:01]
jborkl jean claude van damme to headline [01:01]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 101 @ 0.0063799 = 0.6444 BTC [-] {2} [01:01]
mircea_popescu fluffypony no but i mean "o hey guise, i discovered trollbox on btce" [01:01]
mircea_popescu kinda public knowledge :D [01:01]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: o yes, was just generally commenting on it being the bottom of the barrel [01:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2654 @ 0.00088401 = 2.3462 BTC [-] [01:04]
mircea_popescu yea [01:04]
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fluffypony [01:10]
ozbot Tokyo Sexwale accused of trying to blackmail wife over hardcore porn - Times LIVE [01:11]
fluffypony title is all you need [01:11]
benkay what a name [01:12]
benkay [01:12]
benkay "A group of 13-year-old girls from Nelson Mandela Bay's elite Collegiate High School have landed in hot water after being caught sipping vodka and watching a pornographic video - allegedly of one of them having sex with her boyfriend - on a cellphone. [01:12]
benkay " [01:13]
benkay i'll just squeeze this beer. [01:13]
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fluffypony davout, pankkake: [01:19]
pankkake lol [01:19]
mircea_popescu so what is the problem ? [01:20]
fluffypony I don't think there's an implied problem in that graph, it's more a statement of fact :-P [01:20]
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davout fluffypony: lol, already old in france-land tho [01:20]
davout do you know how i can easily make a horse laugh ? [01:21]
fluffypony tell him a joke? [01:21]
mircea_popescu not the graph, the 13yos [01:21]
davout i tell him my dick is larger than his [01:21]
fluffypony lol [01:21]
davout now do you know how i make him cry ? [01:21]
fluffypony no clue [01:21]
mircea_popescu show him your gf ? :D [01:21]
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davout show him my dick [01:21]
davout dad's joke #7244 [01:22]
fluffypony lol [01:22]
fluffypony so Joel McHale's White House Correspondant's dinner speech was so bad they cancelled Community [01:22]
mircea_popescu it is a pretty good joke [01:22]
fluffypony season 5 will be the end [01:22]
mircea_popescu fluffypony dude WAS atrocious. [01:22]
fluffypony yeah he bombed [01:22]
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benkay poor guy [01:24]
benkay blamed for shit he didn't even write [01:24]
punkman was gonna get canceled anyway [01:24]
mircea_popescu everyone fancies themselves a comedian these days, [01:25]
mircea_popescu it's the singer-songwriter of the 2010s [01:25]
mircea_popescu benkay his timing was worse, and generally, [01:25]
punkman first couple of seasons were full of tvtrope orgasms [01:25]
mircea_popescu guy;s a talentless hack. you probably have coworkers more talented [01:25]
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fluffypony punkman: agreed, it was way too long in the teeth. that's the problem with fan-driven show "resurrections", often the fans are too embroiled in the show to realise that it's time to die. [01:26]
bounce let's write a series then [01:26]
benkay coworkers?! [01:26]
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benkay okay on a different note [01:27]
benkay how does a distributed team communicate over GPG? [01:27]
benkay s/over/with [01:27]
benkay email threads + encryption -> nightmare [01:27]
davout benkay: it's just a problem with the tool [01:28]
davout shouldn't be painful if your mail client is GPG-aware [01:28]
joecool davout: distributed [01:29]
joecool it's a bitch and a half [01:29]
joecool need to have a key for the team to work that way, or encrypt each message with each member's key [01:30]
davout joecool: that's dead easy with GPG [01:30]
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joecool davout: which way and how? [01:30]
pankkake the only issue is when people leave or join, otherwise yes it's easy [01:30]
davout CLI -> cat message.txt | gpg -a -e -r member1 ... -r memberN -s -u my_key [01:30]
punkman shared key kinda works [01:30]
davout punkman: shared key is retarded [01:31]
joecool shared key is bad for security [01:31]
pankkake I use multiple destination a lot, actually [01:31]
fluffypony ;;later tell BingoBoingo [01:31]
gribble The operation succeeded. [01:31]
benkay so then you get an email with n giant gpg blobs? [01:32]
davout pankkake: yeah, that's dead easy, also multiple recipients is kinda mandatory if you want to be able to decrypt what you encrypt to someone else [01:32]
BingoBoingo fluffypony: [01:32]
davout benkay: no, because GPG uses a proxy key [01:32]
pankkake yes, I usually want to know WTF I wrote [01:32]
davout it encrypts the message symetrically IIRC, and only repeats the symmetric key for each recipient [01:32]
benkay lovely! [01:33]
benkay thank you davout. [01:33]
joecool maybe someone in here with a better understanding of the inner workings of gnupg can answer this [01:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.041 = 0.123 BTC [-] [01:34]
benkay it encrypts the message symetrically IIRC, and only repeats the symmetric key for each recipient // joecool that's the deal right there [01:34]
mircea_popescu benkay> email threads + encryption -> nightmare << why ? we don't have a problem here do we ? [01:34]
benkay i'm just derpy and didn't know about the multiple recipient procedure mircea_popescu [01:34]
joecool benkay: that works, just wasn't sure of how to do it, my query is about something different [01:34]
mircea_popescu a a nm [01:34]
fluffypony k I'm out, night [01:34]
mircea_popescu sleep well fluff [01:35]
benkay night fluffer [01:35]
davout also, for OSX-fags : pbpaste | gpg -a -e -r recipient1 ... -r recipientN -s -u my_key | pbcopy == encrypt+sign clipboard contents [01:35]
joecool i use openpgp smartcards, i don't keep my keys on any other form of storage other than my master key which is kept encrypted on an offline archive disk (this is so i can mint new openpgp smartcards if necessary) [01:35]
davout fluffypony: bye [01:35]
fluffypony I leave you with this: [01:35]
joecool but i also have key expiry set, i can't change my key expiry unless i load up gnupg with my offline copy and change it there [01:35]
davout fluffypony: nice cameltoe + spelling mistake, should read bitchcoin [01:35]
joecool if i try with smartcard it just errors [01:35]
fluffypony lol [01:36]
pankkake fluffypony: that's better than the golden crackwhore [01:36]
mircea_popescu davout> it encrypts the message symetrically IIRC, and only repeats the symmetric key for each recipient << this is correct [01:36]
mircea_popescu the only part is the original block cypher encryption at the front that swells [01:37]
pankkake fun command of the day: gpg --list-packets [01:37]
joecool gah, hate pinentry [01:38]
davout joecool: wai, pinentry is cool [01:38]
joecool davout: it sucks ass, there's two ways for me to use it [01:39]
joecool 1. with ncurses, which it fucks up horribly [01:39]
davout pankkake: moar GPG pro-tip, make gpg-agent forget all passphrases : killall -HUP gpg-agent [01:39]
joecool 2. with X, which means won't work over screen or in console [01:39]
joecool but going back to problem one, it'll just corrupt the term anyway or not show up proper [01:40]
davout joecool: wat? when i use it on servers it works fine, and with OSX everything also goes better than expectation, did you try a Ctrl+L to unfuck the term (untested) [01:40]
joecool this is a gnupg 2.xx issue, gnupg 1.xx didn't have the problem because it didn't use pinentry [01:40]
pankkake yeah, it's annoying, I'm using 2. because of thunderbird, but then I can't use it over ssh without changing the pinentry [01:40]
davout joecool: i use 1 with pinentry [01:41]
Apocalyptic ncurses is not that bad [01:41]
davout joecool: have you tried to use === instead ? [01:41]
davout XD [01:41]
davout or in french : "ton câble est bien branché? t'as essayé de siffler comme un con?" [01:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15265 @ 0.0008831 = 13.4805 BTC [-] [01:42]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6450 @ 0.0008881 = 5.7282 BTC [+] [01:48]
davout [01:50]
ozbot Fein Coin | Indiegogo [01:50]
davout what has the internet done [01:50]
mircea_popescu is it a good thing ? [01:51]
davout "You can give Fein Coins for events such as raking a yard or selling a pencil or more." [01:51]
davout i need to delete the internet icon from my computer [01:51]
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Namworld "My name is Ben Fein. I founded Fein Coin with the picture of letting people pay for them the buy gift cards using a mobile app. I came across a idea to make the idea of electronic currency. Enjoy. :)" [01:57]
Namworld >>I came across a idea to make the idea of electronic currency.<< [01:57]
davout he had me at "Fein Coin is a e-currency that in the beginning 1 Fein Coin=$20" [01:58]
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Namworld That has got to be trolling... [02:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25900 @ 0.00088811 = 23.002 BTC [+] {2} [02:00]
benkay amazingly cute ceo [02:00]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [02:00]
mircea_popescu could he be more retarded ? [02:01]
Namworld Wait it's a video... so it's actually a kid... [02:01]
benkay couldn't say. is the kid really driving the thing? [02:01]
Namworld Maybe he vaguely understands Bitcoin and thinks he's mocking it by being "Look, I'm a kid, I can create money out of thin air too and scam you. See how stupid it is?" [02:03]
Namworld or someone else paid a kid to do a short video, for the same reason mentioned above. [02:03]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00088814 = 4.796 BTC [+] [02:04]
mircea_popescu that makes a low amt of sense number [02:05]
jurov mircea_popescu: coinbr referral code is fully optional, and i scoop the fees by default, so i don't need one myself :D [02:10]
jurov it's up to the users to lurk here or publish reflinks if they want referrals [02:11]
Namworld Well I'm out for the weekend. [02:11]
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jurov bye Nam [02:13]
mod6 <+davout> pankkake: moar GPG pro-tip, make gpg-agent forget all passphrases : killall -HUP gpg-agent << actually, you can avoid having to kill gpg-agent by not starting it up at all. just comment out `use-agent` in gpg.conf [02:17]
mod6 iirc [02:17]
pankkake killall -HUP isn't a real kill, just a signal [02:17]
mod6 yep: halt-user-process [02:18]
pankkake and well, GPG agent is damn useful when you batch sign a lot of things [02:18]
pankkake it's often used to tell daemons to reload their config [02:18]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.041 = 0.41 BTC [-] [02:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26721 @ 0.00088662 = 23.6914 BTC [-] {3} [02:23]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 7 @ 0.041 = 0.287 BTC [-] [02:25]
mod6 I don't know why I keep forgetting that it's Hang-Up Process not Halt-User-Process: [02:29]
mod6 duuuur [02:30]
jurov "director of engineering" ..maybe it was the official title for ultimate phone hotline sink for unruly customers? [02:31]
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benkay derprectum of engineering [02:36]
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artifexd jurov: Can you answer a question about deposits into coinbr? [02:38]
davout pankkake: "killall -HUP isn't a real kill, just a signal" <<< the HUP signal, so? [02:40]
davout mod6: nah, it's actually HANGUP [02:40]
bounce "SIGHUP [...] terminal line hangup" [02:41]
davout mod6: also i like my gpg-agent running, otherwise i woukdn't, you know, run it :D [02:41]
davout killall -HUP davout [02:43]
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mod6 <.< [02:45]
jurov artifexd yes? [02:48]
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artifexd The amount I deposited doesn't match the amount I was credited. I originally thought the missing amount was the monthly fee because it was on 1 May. [02:49]
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artifexd But the management fee came out 3 days later. [02:49]
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artifexd So, is there a policy about rounding deposits? [02:50]
benkay jurov: scamm0r! [02:50]
jurov no that must have been a mistake [02:51]
jurov which tx was it? [02:51]
artifexd The order # in coinbr is 3985 [02:52]
artifexd The bitcoin tx id is 955cb8cf9b4e936a9d79b49331aa29c8fb135d639649438211c3de5fcd88145b [02:52]
artifexd It isn't enough for me to be upset about. But I was curious. [02:53]
jurov thanks for report, looking... [02:54]
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tim-tams Hey guys, I'm run a Bitcoin website and weekly podcast and we're looking for a sponsor, pm me for more details if you're at all interested [03:04]
mike_c jurov is accurate to 18 decimal places :) [03:08]
jurov lol [03:12]
jurov artifexd: the rest credited [03:12]
artifexd jurov: You are a scholar and a gentleman. Thank you. [03:14]
jurov that's why it is good to show full records.. [03:15]
jurov for example on mpex, such thing is much harder to notice that because it's beyond mircea to mention in STAT or else that "deposit of X was credited" [03:16]
jurov only balance suddelny changes [03:16]
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BCB Brock Pierce for President [03:27]
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mircea_popescu wait so what did i do wrong ? [03:31]
jurov question for me? that's not related to artifexd [03:34]
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jurov i'm just venting that balances on mpex can change at any time without any record shown in STAT [03:35]
jurov in case of deposits and pushes [03:35]
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jurov 'night! [03:42]
mike_c gnite [03:43]
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TheNewDeal tim-tams i told you I would sponsor 5$ worth for a middle finger dedicated to the COO of butterfly labs [03:54]
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benkay jurov: you around? [04:34]
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gribble ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!* [04:37]
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gribble Error: "kitten" is not a valid command. [05:07]
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mircea_popescu o hey. [05:11]
mircea_popescu like the best bait to date [05:11]
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mircea_popescu "Turning over a new leaf: Italian prisoners will get their sentences reduced by three days for every book they read while in jail" [05:16]
mircea_popescu dude, book me already. i have > 500 books i never had the time to read. [05:16]
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BingoBoingo Damn. That actually sounds like a good idea for retreat. [05:20]
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BingoBoingo [05:28]
ozbot Facilities & Visitation [05:28]
BingoBoingo ^ Candidate for a place to open a reading retreat [05:28]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: only 500!?!? [06:04]
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nubbins` so here's what we've been working on the past couple weeks [06:09]
nubbins` [06:09]
nubbins` sorry for the FB album, but it is what it is [06:09]
nubbins` no account required or anything [06:09]
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decimation asciilifeform: [apple] also profited from the demise of sun, sgi, etc. - being the only remaining vendor of what amounts to '90-style 'unix workstation << this is very true [06:15]
decimation I heard a theory about this once. In the 90's, most business middle-managment went from being innocent of computers to suddenly owning a winblows box [06:16]
nubbins` hi omantianefultans [06:16]
omantianefultans Hi nubbins` ... Nice job with your FB project/albumn. [06:17]
nubbins` thanks [06:17]
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decimation Computing was taken from the hands of the engineers who actually computed with computers, and suddenly became the realm of MS crapware. The whining of the enigneers was ignored, generally. [06:17]
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decimation Of course, the custom unix makers were also "unable to compete" with Intel cpus, due to the fact that they were fat and bloated from dumb money from gov't and big business [06:19]
omantianefultans nubbins`: You should make your whale picture with graffiti. [06:19]
asciilifeform decimation: sun et al died of linux [06:19]
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asciilifeform which explains why they died when they did [06:19]
decimation they could have "embraced and extended" linux [06:19]
decimation Sun dipped its toe in that water for awhile, but it was a day late and a dollar short [06:20]
asciilifeform that would've been antithetical to the doctrine of 'we own the precious commercial rights to at&t unix, we must use them' [06:20]
decimation yeah. I linked to this talk awhile back: Apparenlty Sun literally spent years trying to "legally" offer some kind of open source license [06:22]
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decimation it wasn't that they were against doing so, it was just that they had 30 years of legal baggage and copyright to worry about [06:22]
asciilifeform decimation: the real crying shame is that the sun & alpha laptops made by tadpole inc. and others never took off [06:22]
asciilifeform laptop is the one place where os and hardware really must be build under one roof [06:23]
decimation yeah that's a good point [06:23]
asciilifeform (that, or properly documented chips, which remain an opium dream) [06:23]
asciilifeform today, apple stands entirely alone there. [06:24]
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decimation what's interesting is that the DoD wanted to push the industry to open cooperation in the 80's. They saw the writing on the wall w.r.t. Asian manufacturing, and pushed for things like VHDL and whatnot to try to keep industry here, which succeeded to some degree [06:24]
decimation these days you get the feeling that there's nobody home at the levels of gov't that could "do something" about the complete transfer of the electronics industry to china et. al. [06:25]
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asciilifeform decimation: [06:25]
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decimation yeah this is pretty much the case. From what I can tell, most real engineering work is either done on old windows boxes (for engineering crapware) and Macbooks [06:27]
asciilifeform i generally think of using a laptop as something to be avoided, if possible. [06:27]
asciilifeform partly because apple machine is a serious headache [06:28]
asciilifeform (can you install 'ratpoison' under apple's os? nope) [06:28]
asciilifeform but at least apple's laptop... works. [06:28]
decimation no headache. just keep paying $2k per year for the latest widget and you are supported [06:28]
decimation God forbid you want to open it up to do anything [06:29]
asciilifeform actually the portables circa '08 and up open easily [06:29]
asciilifeform vs. the 'tin can' designs from before [06:29]
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asciilifeform (where you had to use a 'spudger' and remove layer upon layer just to access the disk) [06:30]
decimation yeah that's true, I have a couple 08-09 laptops. I find they eat spinning platter hard drives for some reason [06:30]
asciilifeform decimation: can't bring myself to tolerate a spinning drive in any laptop whatsoever [06:30]
decimation yeah it's playing with fire. I wish someone would pick this up and make it a real product: [06:31]
asciilifeform i rip them out and replace with cheap ssd (yeah they won't last a decade, but a laptop should be considered expendable anyway) [06:31]
decimation there's a business opportunity for some up-and-coming Chinese vendor to make inroads in the US market: make a repairable Unix "workstation" laptop [06:32]
decimation if you can sell for less than a macbook I think there is a market there [06:32]
asciilifeform decimation: no headache. just keep paying << i find apple's os just an uncommonly clunky way to run x11 & friends [06:32]
decimation ugg and in Mavericks they ditched X11 - you have to download some open source "Xquartz" project to make it work [06:33]
decimation every point release of OSX: less support for people who want to do something (apple is forever killing hypercard) [06:33]
asciilifeform lucky none of my apple boxes have this turd installed. [06:33]
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asciilifeform the forced mouse use is an especially cruel torment on a portable. [06:34]
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asciilifeform decimation: phun phact. it is traditionally illegal in the u.s. to sell a laptop with 100% documented chips. [06:35]
asciilifeform how? wireless card / fcc regs [06:35]
decimation heh yeah that's a good point, can't violate USG regs [06:35]
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asciilifeform therefore the idea is a non-starter, at least if built directly for american market [06:36]
asciilifeform (does eu have similar laws?) [06:36]
decimation in the future apple will sell the iGenuflect - you kneel prostrate in front of your laptop in memory of Steve, and it will grant you 1 hour of programming time [06:36]
decimation you could in theory lockdown the stuff that needs to be locked down in pure hardware [06:37]
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decimation but that would require immense engineering time [06:37]
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asciilifeform decimation: igenuflect - [06:38]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform well 500 is like 7 years wtf. [06:39]
mircea_popescu whgat am i in for, murder ? [06:39]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i suppose it depends on the books. my backlog contains junk like 'intro to Lie algebras,' etc [06:41]
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decimation [06:43]
ozbot FCC votes to boost Wi-Fi | TheHill [06:43]
decimation ?This will make it easier for all of us to consume a wide range of content on our mobile devices, most notably high definition video without frustrating lags or delays,? Cisco Director of Government Affairs Mary Brown wrote. [06:43]
mircea_popescu what's interesting is that the DoD wanted to push the industry to open cooperation in the 80's. << this is very true. perhaps the last govt push for sanity in any field. [06:43]
asciilifeform re: wireless card firmware - i suspect that when someone bothers to audit the blobs - with an eye to searching for creepy crawlies, rather than the customary functionality reverse-eng. - plenty will turn up. [06:43]
asciilifeform re: DoD standards, vdhl - at one point, vendors were required to provide full design - and - guarantee production to a certain date, far in the future [06:45]
asciilifeform as a condition of major contracts [06:45]
mircea_popescu back when. [06:45]
asciilifeform early '80s. [06:45]
asciilifeform somehow this faded away. [06:46]
asciilifeform to no one's great surprise. [06:46]
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decimation well, I think the best explanation is that the defense companies realized they could tell gov't employees what to do (via congress) rather than otherwise [06:48]
asciilifeform some time soon after, they realized that they can also dispense with the need to ship products that work [06:48]
asciilifeform and after that, with the very idea of shipping anything [06:48]
asciilifeform (see the ill-fated airplane, etc.) [06:49]
decimation congress was all about it, because they could hang all kinds of other "social good" on the procurement process [06:49]
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mircea_popescu no i mean, yes, but that was way back when it still worked sort-of [06:49]
asciilifeform if you notice that the pay keeps coming regardless - why work. [06:49]
decimation who cares if your widget works (and is a good price) when you can employ a homeless black man with a Job [06:49]
mircea_popescu so in the end, this great experiment where congress is in the business of pork, the administration is into masturbation and the country is run by laws not men [06:50]
mircea_popescu kinda fails. [06:51]
asciilifeform most of the widgets that actually sail, fly, explode, presently in the field - are '80s designs at the core - at the very latest. [06:51]
asciilifeform (the famous 'u2' airplane - still flies. etc) [06:51]
decimation yep. note how "late" the f35 is [06:51]
asciilifeform tales abound, of janitors pulling on a mess of cable to reveal 'pdp-8' drywalled into a broom close oubliette, still running a radar set, etc. [06:53]
asciilifeform *closet [06:53]
ThickAsThieves what's the mpex rift shard? [06:54]
decimation the whole USG has become a vehicle to distribute the annual seigniorage [06:54]
asciilifeform the familiar science fiction staple, of savages running across a cache of 'technology of the ancients' which still works, and going wild - that's reality. [06:54]
ThickAsThieves ;;google rift guild [06:55]
gribble Trilema, the Rift guild pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Rift pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; A virtual socioeconomic problem pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: [06:55]
decimation ascii your blog has shown me how comp. language "advancement" is really just reinenting lisp and algol poorly [06:56]
asciilifeform decimation: and cpu archs re-implement pdp-11 poorly, and again and again... [06:56]
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decimation I find the python3 vs python2 "war" amusing [07:02]
decimation several years ago the python "devs" decided to break the language "because it makes it better" [07:02]
decimation 5 years later no one has jumped [07:02]
asciilifeform decimation: the mere thinkability of this kind of thing, re: a given system, is a sure test for braindamage [07:03]
decimation reminds me of the quote from Lawrence of Arabia about hubris: Prince Feisal: There's nothing further here for a warrior. We drive bargains. Old men's work. Young men make wars, and the virtues of war are the virtues of young men. Courage and hope for the future. Then old men make the peace. And the vices of peace are the vices of old men. Mistrust and caution. It must be so. [07:03]
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decimation What amazes me is the charmed path that Linux itself has taken [07:04]
decimation Linus would be nobility in another century [07:05]
asciilifeform linux sorta takes us almost to the point we were in 1972. [07:06]
asciilifeform except when you stop and think about the fact that virtually every 'linux box' is also running a number of embedded turds [07:06]
asciilifeform (disk, i/o, display controllers, etc) [07:06]
decimation everyone's too busy to worry about that ascii [07:06]
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asciilifeform and then you envy the folks with the 'pdp' [07:07]
asciilifeform it isn't even, as people like to think, a 'security' itch [07:07]
asciilifeform it's about the fundamental impossibility of fully understanding wtf is actually taking place inside the box [07:07]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves phyrnius [07:09]
decimation Well, part of the reason is that it has become absurdly expensive to fab a chip [07:09]
decimation and the "business model" of "we own the IP" is all any company in the US has left [07:09]
mircea_popescu decimation> 5 years later no one has jumped << wait, the core devs of python, nobody gave a shit about them ?! [07:10]
asciilifeform i actually see a future for machines built of discrete (yes, 74xxx & friends) logic. [07:10]
asciilifeform perhaps the only future. [07:10]
asciilifeform 'but they say i'm mad' [07:10]
decimation yeah mircea, I think you can find a parallel in bitcoin :) [07:11]
asciilifeform perhaps after 'mad max', when a computer is no longer a cheap widget - but a _place_ - like the old church organs - people will give a fuck whether they work correctly [07:11]
decimation if Guido Van Rossum can be ignored by everyone, how much easier would it be to ignore the bitcoin devs? [07:11]
asciilifeform and whether the machine can be understood [07:11]
mircea_popescu decimation i'm just glad im not the only one aware of the damned thing. [07:12]
asciilifeform (because if it cannot be understood, it cannot be maintained) [07:12]
decimation there is wisdom in this [07:12]
asciilifeform imagine if 'la serenissima', old venice, had... a computer. what part of what we put up with, would they tolerate. [07:12]
mircea_popescu decimation btw, wasn't von rossum working with rice now ? [07:13]
ThickAsThieves mp it shows servers by country first [07:13]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform they were actually sort-of trying to get the mechanical calculator going [07:13]
mircea_popescu more like a watchmaking angle tho [07:13]
decimation donno. la wik says he's polishing the dropbox turd: [07:13]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves pvp intl [07:14]
mircea_popescu decimation that'd be it then. [07:14]
mircea_popescu ;;google rice dropbox [07:14]
gribble Protests Continue Against Dropbox After Appointment of ... - Bits: ; Dropbox Service: ; Dropbox users are angry that NSA-loving Condoleezza Rice has ...: [07:14]
asciilifeform lol! [07:14]
decimation I thought they dropped her after the "controversy" [07:14]
mircea_popescu sort-of [07:15]
decimation as if it were controversial that some gov't bigwig were cashing out in industry [07:15]
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mircea_popescu anyway, tis all for me. later. [07:15]
princessnell the dropbox ceo stood his ground i think [07:15]
decimation apparently you are only allowed to be on the board of a business if you are sufficiently socialist [07:15]
princessnell it was a university that disinvited her to speak [07:15]
decimation ah well that explains things then [07:15]
princessnell why must they drag down yet another strong woman of color? [07:16]
decimation because bush I guess [07:16]
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mircea_popescu princessnell ah come on, woman is dumb as rocks. [07:16]
decimation it's not racist to mock justice thomas after all [07:16]
princessnell lol that was sarcasm [07:16]
mircea_popescu ;;google "nobody could have foreseen" [07:17]
gribble New 9/11 Documents Expose the "Nobody Could Have Predicted ...: ; Cheney Defends The "Nobody Could've Predicted" President ...: ; Nobody Could Have Predicted...: (1 more message) [07:17]
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mircea_popescu oic. [07:17]
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mircea_popescu fluffypony: "Ken what is your 3 month plan" << i wonder if that counts as mid term or long term. [15:13]
mircea_popescu maybe you should ask them. [15:13]
fluffypony LOL [15:13]
mircea_popescu youknowimright.jpg [15:14]
ThickAsThieves memoriesssssss [15:14]
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mircea_popescu davout: [15:22]
mircea_popescu "It can classified us a Market player with higher audience as the others, and we understand that some jealous people do not see this with many pleasure." <<< o you log, that has such marvels & many pleasure in it! [15:22]
ThickAsThieves !up skinnkavaj [15:22]
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skinnkavaj ThickAsThieves: Why did you leave ASICMINER? [15:22]
ThickAsThieves technically ditching the AM-PTs is what i did [15:23]
ThickAsThieves leaving the board was automatic once i no longer represented 5000 shares [15:24]
skinnkavaj But why? Didn't they make a you some money with 5% management fee? [15:24]
ThickAsThieves lol [15:24]
ThickAsThieves go add up those fees over the lifetime [15:24]
mircea_popescu << there it is skinnkavaj [15:24]
ozbot The analysis of a failure : Asicminer pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [15:24]
mircea_popescu he just wasted half a year of his life to make sure. [15:24]
skinnkavaj ThickAsThieves: Do you no longer believe in a great future for Asicminer? [15:25]
skinnkavaj I love to buy stocks when everyone is selling them [15:25]
ThickAsThieves i do not believe in AM [15:25]
ThickAsThieves and consider it vastly overvalued [15:25]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves: Apparently I am a member of the BTCFundnation after all <<< ahahaha epic [15:25]
mircea_popescu skinnkavaj do you have your portofolio published somewhere ? so we can all lol ? [15:26]
mircea_popescu what's this "buy stocks when everyone is selling them" strat netted you so far ? [15:26]
ThickAsThieves blood in the steets is blood on your hands [15:26]
ThickAsThieves streets* [15:26]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves: so they can prepare bullshit nonanswers? << once you sent the q's privately, they can already do that. [15:27]
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ThickAsThieves i didnt [15:27]
ThickAsThieves those were other Q's [15:27]
ThickAsThieves but yeah [15:27]
mircea_popescu fluffypony: lead in with the published ones and then veer off investigatory journalizt style << yeah, but then they'll be "offended" and not answer anyway [15:28]
skinnkavaj mircea_popescu: Read your link, ok so they made some mistakes with exchanges.. But I couldn't care less about that, what matters is that friedcat seems to be a really good asic engineer [15:28]
mircea_popescu skinnkavaj on the strength of that answer i humbly submit that perhaps you did not actually read the link. [15:28]
ThickAsThieves here's how i see it [15:28]
ThickAsThieves (this is no investment advice) [15:28]
ThickAsThieves FC and the crew made millions on millions last year [15:28]
mircea_popescu notwithstanding that afaik friedcat was in no sense an engineer, just a pr for a team, and also afaik she said so mul;tiple times. [15:29]
ThickAsThieves then had to deal with pissant forum investors [15:29]
ThickAsThieves which got old [15:29]
ThickAsThieves so they probably began segmenting their business out of that situation [15:29]
ThickAsThieves which menifested in things like [15:29]
ThickAsThieves no Gen2 [15:29]
ThickAsThieves Rockminer [15:29]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves: it could be pending i guess << wait, pending for two years ? heh. [15:29]
ThickAsThieves no communciation [15:29]
ThickAsThieves etc [15:29]
ThickAsThieves pending for 1 year is normal i'm told [15:29]
mircea_popescu ahahaha MENIfested.rosenFELT [15:29]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves but we're approaching three. [15:30]
ThickAsThieves indeed [15:30]
mircea_popescu that is not normal. [15:30]
ThickAsThieves no it isnt [15:30]
ThickAsThieves they probably werent granted shit [15:30]
ThickAsThieves and now wanna pretend [15:30]
mircea_popescu moving your virtual office from us to uk to avoid the impending doom is also not NORMAL [15:30]
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skinnkavaj ThickAsThieves: According to latest questions it seems that they are on track on delivering 102 petahash to the network in 3 months [15:30]
ThickAsThieves on track by what measure? [15:30]
ThickAsThieves words and dreams? [15:30]
skinnkavaj I don't see why they couldn't make better chips than before [15:31]
mircea_popescu ahgahaha. o you don't see do you ? [15:31]
ThickAsThieves ho can you not learn by now [15:31]
ThickAsThieves ;;bcstats [15:31]
gribble Current Blocks: 300047 | Current Difficulty: 8.0008721359681635E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 300383 | Next Difficulty In: 336 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 22 hours, 20 minutes, and 41 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 8840307102.91 | Estimated Percent Change: 10.49179 [15:31]
mircea_popescu hey skinnkavaj do you see any reason i couldn't fuck michelle obama's daughters on film ? [15:31]
mircea_popescu im thinking of opening a vlog and i think that'd be a great first episode. [15:31]
skinnkavaj mircea_popescu: Please just be quite [15:31]
mircea_popescu !down skinnkavaj [15:32]
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mircea_popescu works for me. [15:32]
fluffypony be quite what? [15:32]
mircea_popescu i think it's british english. [15:32]
ThickAsThieves skinnkavaj if you want voice again you'll need to register with gribble, wot, assbot and get a rep [15:32]
mircea_popescu !up skinnkavaj [15:32]
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mircea_popescu do you get the idea or do you need a 2nd dunking ? [15:32]
skinnkavaj I want to hear what ThickAsThieves has to say [15:33]
fluffypony [15:33]
skinnkavaj Why do you not think the could manage to produce a 3gen chip [15:33]
skinnkavaj They clearly have the competence [15:33]
mircea_popescu yes well, the point being that we sometimes get what we want, and sometimes don't get what we want. [15:33]
mircea_popescu and you're mostly in the 2nd class. [15:33]
skinnkavaj Its just a matter of time [15:34]
ThickAsThieves it's not that i dont think they "might" make gen3 or whatever [15:34]
mircea_popescu fluffypony you didn't just draw that up [15:34]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: I did [15:34]
ThickAsThieves it's that i dont see how owning stock would be worth it even if they did [15:34]
mircea_popescu wow. [15:34]
mircea_popescu do you even job fluffypony ? [15:34]
fluffypony [15:34]
ozbot gentleman | Meme Generator [15:34]
fluffypony it's a saturday [15:34]
skinnkavaj ThickAsThieves: Why couldn't it be successfull? [15:34]
ThickAsThieves math [15:35]
skinnkavaj ThickAsThieves: Why couldn't it be worth it? [15:35]
ThickAsThieves economy [15:35]
skinnkavaj If they once again produce the best chips on the market [15:35]
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skinnkavaj It will be worth it [15:35]
ThickAsThieves isnt this batch already barely on par with the market? [15:35]
skinnkavaj If they successfully manage to keep their promises now [15:36]
ThickAsThieves do you realize how long it's been since AM actually released something new? [15:36]
skinnkavaj Delivering 102 petahash over the next 3 months [15:36]
mircea_popescu more's the point, if they doi produce the best batch on the market again, why would they want to split the proceeds with you ? [15:36]
skinnkavaj I think they have a good chance of 20% of the network [15:36]
mircea_popescu what could you possibly offer them that'd make them care. [15:36]
ThickAsThieves they wont split proceeds [15:36]
ThickAsThieves thats why Rockminer exists [15:36]
ThickAsThieves and why Gen2 probly existed [15:36]
mircea_popescu so is this a purely academic discussion then ? [15:36]
fluffypony so they operate ASICMINER as a zero-sum game [15:37]
ThickAsThieves all the board cares about is their own franchises, which are all going into the red right about now [15:37]
fluffypony barely profitable, if at all [15:37]
fluffypony and Rockminer makes the money [15:37]
skinnkavaj ThickAsThieves: "all the board cares about is their own franchises" Like what franchises? [15:38]
ThickAsThieves so you are crossing your fingers that some mystery men in china give a fuck about shareholders [15:38]
skinnkavaj ThickAsThieves: They did before? [15:38]
ThickAsThieves they measured how much fuck they should give with the Rockminer IPO [15:38]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform check out that truck! best looking truck i've seen. [15:38]
skinnkavaj Why would you assume friedcat is dishonest now? [15:38]
skinnkavaj Suddenly [15:38]
skinnkavaj ThickAsThieves: Do you think Rockminer is a better investment if so? [15:38]
ThickAsThieves well dishonesty is a different demon in china [15:38]
ThickAsThieves you measure it differently [15:39]
ThickAsThieves and whats so sudden [15:39]
ThickAsThieves AM hasnt made new shit for like a year [15:39]
mircea_popescu i am coming to this theory that there are two types of people in the world : the ones whose brain is a train engine, and the ones whose brain is a combustion engine. the former can be readily ideintified by the fact that their mental processes move on tracks, no matter the engine's horsepower. [15:39]
mircea_popescu the latter can probably be identified by how they keep crashing into poles. [15:39]
ThickAsThieves their farm maxed at like 25TH or some shit [15:39]
skinnkavaj They told that Rockminer would have to buy chips from Asicminer at the same price as everyone else [15:40]
ThickAsThieves ... [15:40]
skinnkavaj So far I fail to see why Asicminer suddenly has become corrupt/dishonest [15:40]
mircea_popescu so there's still hope for my vlog then [15:41]
ThickAsThieves skinnkavaj [15:41]
ThickAsThieves pretend Rockminer IS Asicminer [15:41]
ThickAsThieves and ask how Asicminer might profit [15:41]
ThickAsThieves then [15:41]
mircea_popescu "Leading toilet maker Toto refers to itself as the Apple of toilet tech." mwahaha [15:41]
skinnkavaj They sell chips? [15:41]
ThickAsThieves pretend you arent pretending [15:42]
skinnkavaj They could have split up [15:42]
skinnkavaj Asicminer produces only chips [15:42]
skinnkavaj Rockminer produces something else [15:42]
skinnkavaj Is my understanding [15:42]
skinnkavaj I may be wrong [15:42]
ThickAsThieves you may [15:42]
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skinnkavaj ThickAsThieves: So in that case, do you think Rockminer is a better investment than Asicminer? yes/no? [15:43]
ThickAsThieves fucking hell man [15:43]
ThickAsThieves ;;8ball [15:43]
gribble The answer is a resounding no. [15:43]
ThickAsThieves there. [15:43]
fluffypony lol [15:43]
skinnkavaj Yes/no? [15:43]
skinnkavaj I dont follow you.. [15:43]
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fluffypony skinnkavaj: read what gribble said [15:44]
fluffypony "[14:43:24] +gribble: The answer is a resounding no." [15:44]
mircea_popescu fluffypony he doesn't see why gribble should have said that. [15:44]
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mircea_popescu he further does not see why what gribble says should be controlling. [15:44]
skinnkavaj I have ignored Gribble [15:44]
ThickAsThieves [08:21] I hate to use Gribble [15:44]
skinnkavaj But ok [15:44]
skinnkavaj So both are shit [15:44]
skinnkavaj ASicminer and rockminer [15:44]
mircea_popescu he has this "i do not see" device from socialist training in what passes for education these days, and he knows he's supposed to apply it selectively, [15:44]
skinnkavaj In your opinion [15:44]
mircea_popescu which is why i don't get my fuck-obama-daughters-vlog. [15:44]
mircea_popescu sux. [15:44]
fluffypony skinnkavaj: gribble's magic 8ball says both are shit [15:45]
fluffypony skinnkavaj: you can also use this for investment advice: [15:45]
mircea_popescu ;;rated gribble [15:45]
gribble You have not yet rated user gribble [15:45]
mircea_popescu ;;rate gribble 1 possibly the best fake-BTC-stock analyst out there. [15:46]
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ThickAsThieves [15:46]
mircea_popescu anyway, i guess the one true gain from this discussion is a lesson as to how downing people may be bad for debate and the marketplace of ideas. [15:47]
skinnkavaj Yes trolling and downing people is really boring [15:48]
mircea_popescu in small enough qty, filth is actually helpful for the healthy body [15:48]
fluffypony lol ThickAsThieves [15:48]
skinnkavaj Would really like to have more dicussions [15:48]
skinnkavaj About the companies [15:48]
skinnkavaj Thats why I am in this channel [15:48]
fluffypony skinnkavaj: discussion is fine [15:48]
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fluffypony asking someone for their opinion on a specific issue is fine [15:48]
fluffypony but yes/no investment advice is nonsensical [15:49]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves what's the 8ball say about when will the last noob try badgering you about nonsense ? [15:49]
mircea_popescu skinnkavaj no, because you eschew the actual discussion in favour of ridoinkulous formalisms. [15:49]
fluffypony oh asciilifeform will like this: [15:49]
skinnkavaj ThickAsThieves: Do you have more information from ASicminer board meetings or are you not allowed of copy pasting that? [15:50]
ThickAsThieves skinnkavaj, if you just lurk here for a few mos, you'll be miles ahead of the forum [15:50]
ThickAsThieves you dont even need to talk [15:50]
mircea_popescu "Gabbie Brown @Gabbiebrown · 5h Wishing that everything would just fall into place in every aspect of my life." << check it out, i'm following the only unique snowflake of brilliant potence on twitter. nyah. [15:50]
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ThickAsThieves there's nothing much worth sharing from the board meetings [15:51]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: who needs chance and careful planning when you can just wish that everything would fall into place [15:51]
skinnkavaj ThickAsThieves: I think mircea_popescu is just spamming here with trolls and insults to everyone trying to have a good discussion. Please stop.. I really liked this channel before [15:51]
mircea_popescu !down skinnkavaj [15:51]
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mircea_popescu i guess so. [15:51]
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ThickAsThieves this channel was so much better before you got here mp [15:52]
mircea_popescu fluffypony the problem is fucking deeper than that. see, the brain is not made to work, it's made to adapt. [15:52]
mircea_popescu these are very different, even if cyberneticists keep wanting to represent the brain as a computor. [15:52]
mircea_popescu these days most of the brains input for the lower classes is fiction, ie, entertainment. [15:52]
mircea_popescu in fiction, there's a scenario and a director, and they conspire to alter reality a certain way. [15:52]
mircea_popescu this "happiness horizon" when "everything would just fall into place in every aspect of my lyf" is a very old very common fiction trope [15:53]
mircea_popescu it happens to heroines mostly, once they take the cock, usually. [15:53]
mircea_popescu so... the lower class brain is now... adapted to this counterfactual reality. [15:53]
mircea_popescu 50%+1 of the population would do fine in "life", if only life was... the story of rapunzel. [15:53]
fluffypony yeah [15:54]
mircea_popescu ~ done spamming with trolls ~ [15:54]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves ikr [15:54]
ThickAsThieves [15:54]
mircea_popescu not you ?! [15:54]
ThickAsThieves the ruthlessness of idits [15:54]
ThickAsThieves idiots [15:54]
ThickAsThieves let's allegedly lynch people! [15:55]
mircea_popescu ruthlessly idiotic. that's a new one. [15:56]
fluffypony wow fun [15:56]
mircea_popescu anyone know this pete earle fellow ? [15:56]
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mircea_popescu << check out how happy hitchcock is [15:59]
s1gea Thank you. [15:59]
mircea_popescu yw. who might you be ? [16:00]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves btw, were you looking for this graph ? [16:00]
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ThickAsThieves somewhat interesting [16:08]
ThickAsThieves but this is better: [16:10]
ThickAsThieves the total value of the global video game industry is projected to be $78.5 billion for 2012. [16:10]
ThickAsThieves In 2012, the global movie production and distribution industry is projected to generate revenue of $126.8 billion [16:10]
mircea_popescu okok :) [16:11]
-CheckDavid- voice [16:11]
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CheckDavid :D [16:11]
mircea_popescu ;;gettrust assbot CheckDavid [16:11]
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ThickAsThieves however, gaming industry in US is actually declining [16:12]
ThickAsThieves down like 10% I think it said [16:13]
CheckDavid So apple generates more revenue than books? [16:13]
CheckDavid That's mindboggling [16:13]
ThickAsThieves “Grand Theft Auto V not only hit $1 billion in sales faster than the fastest-grossing videogame, it beat the three biggest film launches of all time by 16 days.” [16:15]
ThickAsThieves Rift won't let me join EU servers [16:15]
cazalla checkout archeage, it's looking good [16:16]
ThickAsThieves i was watching the videos [16:16]
ThickAsThieves it's sorta like Civilizations as an mmporg? [16:16]
cazalla never played civ so can't say [16:17]
ThickAsThieves like Sims as an mmporg? [16:17]
cazalla never played that either [16:17]
cazalla it's pitched as a sandboxy type mmo [16:18]
mircea_popescu CheckDavid apple is more convenient. [16:18]
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cazalla it's not as carebear as most mmos have become [16:18]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves ew what ? phyneous is intl not eu ? [16:18]
CheckDavid mircea_popescu: than books? People buy books with apples, [16:19]
mircea_popescu those obviously don't count as books. [16:19]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves and srsly push fdor it cause the guild is huge and i could defo need some help with organising shit [16:20]
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CheckDavid Ebooks are not books? [16:22]
mircea_popescu while the philosophy involved may be arguable, i'm pretty sure that sales of books via ipads and whatnot are counted as ipad revenue, not "books" revenue [16:22]
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mircea_popescu from a concerned reader : "say you been to bitcoincharts lately? i'm concerned about a certificate warning that pops up, disappears, pops up again, no matter what is clicked, and which stops if javascript is disabled." [16:25]
mircea_popescu anyone got anything ? [16:25]
fluffypony checking [16:25]
fluffypony normal bitcoincharts (http) works [16:26]
fluffypony obv. no warnings [16:26]
fluffypony and https redirects to http [16:26]
fluffypony oh I lie, https works [16:26]
fluffypony linked js is on https [16:26]
fluffypony linked CSS is on https [16:27]
fluffypony so I'd hazard that the issue is localised to them [16:27]
mircea_popescu ah ok ty [16:27]
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mircea_popescu fluffypony apparently you're awesome! [16:29]
fluffypony lol [16:29]
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kakobrekla >what the f*ck, there is no cog share on HL now ,where is my share?? [17:02]
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mircea_popescu you had a share ? [17:05]
mircea_popescu well, if you liked your share you can keep your share. [17:05]
kakobrekla even better: [17:06]
kakobrekla >Ukyo can you explain why you havent payed any dividend at all after the closure of Bitfunder ? Are you using the coins to turn them into more, like turning 1 btc into 1.1 btc every month or something ? [17:06]
kakobrekla >>That would be great. I hope Ukyo disclose more info in the portal. I remember that Ukyo mentioned there's a new business would be kickstarted this month? [17:06]
pigeons lol [17:08]
kakobrekla i guess ukyo cant comment, he is out of tcp packets. [17:08]
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Diablo-D3 thx [17:10]
Diablo-D3 is ukyo really around anymore? [17:10]
Diablo-D3 I thought he perm-ragequit after I told him to fuck off [17:10]
kakobrekla ;;seen ukyo [17:10]
gribble ukyo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 weeks, 1 day, 13 hours, 14 minutes, and 56 seconds ago: mgio_: ping [17:10]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla see, they know they really shouldn't have that coin. so they hope that whoever took it from them is giving it a nice home [17:10]
* Diablo-D3 is glad he quit the bitcoin fake company ipo drama storm shit [17:10]
mircea_popescu Diablo-D3 i thought clinton perm-ragequit after you told him to fuck off. [17:10]
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mircea_popescu this is a different guy. [17:11]
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Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: maybe Im thinking of someone else [17:11]
Diablo-D3 which one is the japanese princess moron? [17:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8650 @ 0.00088112 = 7.6217 BTC [+] [17:12]
kakobrekla Diablo-D3 usagi? [17:12]
Diablo-D3 right, him [17:12]
Diablo-D3 whos ukyo again? [17:12]
mircea_popescu yeah diff guy. [17:12]
kakobrekla buttfucker founder [17:12]
Diablo-D3 hrm [17:12]
Diablo-D3 I feel like I told him to fuck off too [17:12]
Diablo-D3 but cant remember if I did [17:13]
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mircea_popescu that very special moment when you decrypt an email, see -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- [17:13]
mircea_popescu then -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- [17:13]
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kakobrekla O_o [17:13]
mircea_popescu then -----BEGIN PGP PRIVATE KEY BLOCK----- [17:13]
mircea_popescu then you're O.O [17:13]
pigeons oops [17:13]
fluffypony Lol [17:13]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN [17:13]
Diablo-D3 how does that even happen [17:13]
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asciilifeform loll!!!! [17:14]
asciilifeform someone must've played a joke. [17:15]
mircea_popescu i guess someone was being thorough ? [17:15]
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random_cat i would like to declare that Ukyo owes me 100 USD (as a lower bound) [17:16]
mircea_popescu so recorded. [17:16]
bounce Ob"Why Johnny Can't Encrypt" [17:17]
fluffypony I would like to declare that I am leaving to go drink and shall return inebriated at a later time. Or tomorrow if not. [17:17]
mircea_popescu pix or it didn't hoppen. [17:18]
fluffypony I'll be sure to take pikshas [17:18]
mircea_popescu piksha da shiksa [17:18]
bounce every time I look at sun hardware it strikes me that oracle hates their customers. so. much. [17:19]
mircea_popescu this is actually a pretty great name for a jewish hip hop band [17:19]
bounce o_O? [17:19]
mircea_popescu lmao [17:19]
mircea_popescu !b 5 [17:19]
assbot Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( [17:19]
random_cat once upon a time, sun was great [17:19]
mircea_popescu meh too short [17:20]
mircea_popescu << lawl [17:21]
ozbot #bitcoin-assets bash [17:21]
random_cat$ [17:23]
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peterl jurov: how do coinbr refferals get paid? is it added up monthly or shown every time a commission is earned? [17:29]
mircea_popescu peterl your balance proibably just increases unsexpectedly [17:30]
artifexd Lol [17:31]
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davout mircea_popescu: "then -----BEGIN PGP PRIVATE KEY BLOCK-----" <<< pastie or it didn't happen [17:34]
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mircea_popescu [17:35]
ozbot RpghRO7FPqGx6uQ0sr/MDz6plEY/QPl+eXPnIhDCCyiUOcoZlhZMb2te93Y9o0e9 bctaTOxz5/azX5 - [17:35]
mircea_popescu hopefully the x's anonymize enough. [17:35]
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davout lol, at least we know it's a macfag who doesn't brew :D [17:36]
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kakobrekla >v2.0.22 (Darwin) [17:42]
kakobrekla this explains it [17:43]
mircea_popescu how ? [17:43]
kakobrekla ;;google darwins award [17:43]
gribble Darwin Awards. Homo sapiens decline; Neo Sapiens rise! February ...: ; Darwin Awards: Darwin Awards: ; Darwin Awards - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: [17:43]
mircea_popescu lol [17:44]
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mircea_popescu is scrypt the new cog like neobeeq was the new hiv [17:45]
mircea_popescu or him or what was it ? [17:45]
kakobrekla >We, are a Team from six countries ( Germany, Portugal, Russia, Turkey, Switzerland, and Great Britain ) and focused to meet your standard of requirements as experienced and serious Bitcoin-Insiders, and would highly appreciate your feedback, proposal and critics to our site and services for an ensured continuous improvement process! [17:46]
kakobrekla [17:46]
ozbot - bitcoin exchange [17:46]
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mircea_popescu this is trollage right ? [17:49]
kakobrekla no [17:49]
peterl sadly no [17:50]
mircea_popescu sounds just like the earlier prosthetic limbs ipos [17:51]
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benkay hurr, thanks fluffypony [18:37]
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benkay skinnkavaj on the strength of that answer i humbly submit // well that's a first [18:40]
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mircea_popescu benkay notice that the overall effect was exactly the same. [18:44]
mircea_popescu the lower class CLAIMS my arrogance is the problem. but this is merely what they imagine would make a convincing scapegoat. [18:44]
mircea_popescu kinda why poor people are so universally despised : they say that which they figure may best serve. [18:46]
mircea_popescu whatever it may be, irrespective. words are but words. [18:46]
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bounce re foundation: [18:54]
Apocalyptic Kelticfox> interesting... the person trying to buy Gox (and just added to the Foundation) is a convicted child molester [18:57]
Apocalyptic The Foundation really doesnt give a fuck about BTC does it? [18:57]
Apocalyptic guys begin to realize what is the foundation about [18:58]
mircea_popescu lol [18:58]
mircea_popescu sure it gives a fuck about btc. just, not yours. [18:58]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.72386476 BTC to 8`667 shares, 31428 satoshi per share [19:00]
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pigeons Apocalyptic: doesn't appear he was convicted [19:23]
mircea_popescu pigeons is it more like a character assasination job ? [19:23]
pigeons he may be guilty, i don't know, does seem fishy, but it doesn't appear he was convicted [19:24]
Apocalyptic then Kelticfox is wrong [19:25]
pigeons yeah thats what i was trying to correct [19:25]
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pigeons apparently there was some sort of recording that got an indictment, and "too many little boys for everything to be right", but not enough evidence to move forward after that [19:26]
kakobrekla so small amount of little boys is ok? [19:27]
pigeons seems so [19:27]
kakobrekla cool, nefario is safe [19:28]
Apocalyptic re that accusation [19:29]
Apocalyptic sounds like roger ver, fits right in [19:29]
pigeons no insinuation, but i hear bruce wagner may run [19:29]
Apocalyptic is Ver notorious for doing that nao ? [19:29]
pigeons don't think so [19:30]
pigeons just explosives in the mail [19:30]
Apocalyptic right [19:30]
Apocalyptic firecrackers [19:30]
pigeons whats this about gox to reopen in pattaya with new ownership? [19:31]
Apocalyptic no idea, I got a link to [19:32]
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kakobrekla pattaya? [19:34]
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mircea_popescu "There is a convergence between WeHo pedos; some might recall the 1998 web series Chad's World which was essentially a bunch of 30-something pedos creating a project to lure boys to Hollywood with promises of becoming stars in exchange for "work" they would do while living with various members of this group of 30-something pedos. " [19:36]
mircea_popescu wait, wut ? [19:37]
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mircea_popescu Digital Entertainment Network happens to be the bankrupt venture of the brock pierce guy who is the purported owner that was going to buy the techno music brand some kid was pitching earlier in chan [19:38]
mircea_popescu what was his name [19:38]
davout Drew something [19:38]
mircea_popescu right. [19:38]
mircea_popescu "Subsequently, civil lawsuits from boys employed by DEN alleged sexual abuse and coercion using drugs and guns by Collins-Rector, co-founder Chad Shackley, and DEN Executive VP Brock Pierce." [19:39]
mircea_popescu "DEN alumni created other Internet sites including suicide girls" [19:40]
mircea_popescu suicide girls was run pretty much like a scientology work camp afaik [19:40]
mircea_popescu seems to be the better source actually. [19:42]
ozbot Gold-farming empire linked to dot-com child abuse scandal - Boing Boing [19:42]
mircea_popescu Apocalyptic lol i gotta love phins' footwork. ask him to come over will you ? [19:43]
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mircea_popescu so basically collins-rector has a harem too, except of [ex]little boys, among which brock pierce, whom he keeps pushing into bitcoin nonsense. [19:44]
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mircea_popescu !jd mpif [20:19]
assbot Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 164.11326127 BTC; +0.10451369 BTC (+0.0637%) since last check 1d 8h 20m 51s ago. [20:19]
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kakobrekla slovenian bitcoin atm [21:37]
kakobrekla [21:37]
ozbot Bitcoin ATM - YouTube [21:37]
kakobrekla >Actually we are a partner company of BTC-O-MATIC and we handle orders, marketing and integrations for adriatic region. [21:38]
Apocalyptic kako, doesn't even require fingerprint scanning [21:38]
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pankkake "Given the various legal requirements, the new model will be equipped with a fingerprint scanner and a security camera." [21:50]
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Apocalyptic nvm then [21:51]
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fluffypony pankkake [21:55]
fluffypony lol [21:55]
fluffypony [21:55]
ozbot BitcoinBourse: the biggest scam in Bitcoin securities today [21:55]
fluffypony so it looks like BitcoinBourse think that you've been paid to troll them [21:56]
fluffypony or something [21:56]
fluffypony his circuitous reasoning is very confusing [21:56]
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pankkake and yet I've only commented on a few of his offerings, only to provide a link to a scam accusation or something [21:56]
fluffypony the thread he links to is hilarious [21:57]
fluffypony where they try dox you [21:57]
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davout pankkake: "Given the various legal requirements, the new model will be equipped with a fingerprint scanner and a security camera." <<< wonder what legal requirements they're referring to [22:11]
khersonus it's normally AML/KYC stuff that causes problems for bitcoin<->cash machines [22:12]
jurov jurov: how do coinbr refferals get paid? << it is added monthly, usually just after the monthly fee [22:14]
davout khersonus: my point is that the legal requirements are imaginary since bitcoin is nowhere legally defined as money [22:15]
jurov and shown in the btc account history [22:15]
davout in other words a bitcoin ATM is by no means different than any other vending machine [22:15]
fluffypony davout [22:15]
davout s/by no means/in no way/ [22:15]
fluffypony if it pays out in fiat the legal definition of Bitcoin is irrelevant, no? [22:16]
fluffypony the compliance is wrt the fiat being padi [22:16]
fluffypony *paid [22:16]
davout fluffypony: nah, that's when you store fiat on behalf of third parties [22:16]
fluffypony AML would apply if you're providing a fiat dispensing machine [22:17]
fluffypony it's rife for money laundering [22:17]
fluffypony KYC not so much unless you're deposit-taking [22:17]
davout when you buy and sell X, you buy and sell X, as long as X is not defined as a financial instrument, (or a precious metal in some countries) there is no reason for KYC/AML to apply [22:17]
kakobrekla btc atm could be considered as otc trading no? [22:17]
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davout the fact that "it's ripe for ML" is in no way relevant, the machine is not "dispensing cash", it could be automatically buying apples from you [22:18]
fluffypony outside of the US, sure [22:19]
fluffypony but in the nanny state there's a whole bunch of FinCEN crap around this (eg. [22:19]
davout AML provisions *may* apply for some specific cases, such as scrap metal buying/selling in france for example [22:19]
davout but that's usually very clearly laid out in the law [22:20]
khersonus davout: you should setup a "Bitcoin ATM" and see what happens [22:20]
fluffypony that insist on AML being applied if you're providing a cash dispensing business, with specific exemptions for things like registered pawnbrokers [22:20]
fluffypony in the US they apply the "everything is bad, here are some exceptions" policy [22:20]
kakobrekla imo i dont hink btc atm will catch on on the long run [22:20]
davout khersonus: no i should absolutely not, because as far as I know european VAT applies on the full amount of sales unless stated otherwise [22:20]
khersonus davout: oh gosh [22:21]
fluffypony kakobrekla: I agree [22:21]
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fluffypony personally I think it's just a silly way of trying to promote adoption, it's more inconvenient to use than convenient [22:21]
davout fluffypony: is bitcoin defined in the "precious Metals, Stones, or Jewels" category? i believe not [22:21]
fluffypony davout: that's why I said "eg" [22:21]
fluffypony it's an example of fincen crap [22:22]
davout fluffypony: bear in mind that i'm not really competent when it comes to regulation in the US, my field of expertise is regulation in europe [22:22]
* fluffypony neither [22:22]
fluffypony either way, most of the Bitcoin ATM reviews I've read have been US-centric [22:23]
davout fluffypony: the US has the advantage of not having VAT, that's why coinbase can work the way it does, and that bitcoin ATMs are actually safer to setup there than in europe [22:23]
fluffypony I don't know if the Bitcoin ATMs being dropped into Dubai will have lal this AML crap [22:23]
davout god help them [22:23]
davout s/god/الله/ [22:24]
fluffypony hah hah [22:24]
davout virgins don't know 'bout my unicode [22:25]
jurov indeed, dude who owns bitcoin atm here got some official statement that VAT does not apply, [22:27]
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jurov but my tax advisor threw quite a fit upon seeing that [22:27]
Apocalyptic I don't know if the Bitcoin ATMs being dropped into Dubai will have lal this AML crap // lol [22:27]
kakobrekla >I found a way to generate Bitcoins even faster then every Miner, in a legal way. the Methode i use whas checked by local Lawyer and is 100% non illegal. [22:28]
Apocalyptic if you want to visit Dubai, you have to apply for a visa where retinal scan is in order [22:28]
kakobrekla [22:28]
ozbot mBTC Investment chance - Weekly Cashout [22:28]
davout jurov: interdasting, did the guy tell you the govt actually, and voluntarily simply said "oh ok, we'll waive the tax for you" ? [22:28]
davout (genuinely interested) [22:28]
jurov no, the statement he cited said that it is neither goods nor service, so the law does not apply [22:29]
Apocalyptic wait [22:29]
jurov Apocalyptic here: [22:30]
Apocalyptic thanks [22:30]
davout jurov: wait until the tax administration realizes signing a transaction can perfectly be defined as a "service" :D [22:30]
Apocalyptic imo it is davout [22:30]
jurov yes, i think too someone somewhere will certainly hell bent to categorize it somewhere [22:31]
davout selling bitcoins, in its essence, is simply multiplying some large numbers in exchange for fiat money [22:31]
davout s/money/currency/ [22:31]
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davout wat, don't bash me bro [22:32]
davout :D [22:32]
Apocalyptic "Finančná správa rozlišuje medzi bitcoin a BItcoin. Wow! Som na tých byrokratov tak pyšný" heh [22:32]
Apocalyptic seems like they know a thing or two indeed [22:32]
kakobrekla such wow [22:33]
khersonus davout: multiplying some numbers, and broadcasting the tx to the network might be nice too [22:36]
davout for those who missed feincoin, it's worth the five minutes of your time [22:36]
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kakobrekla ;;translate slovak english Finančná správa rozlišuje medzi bitcoin a BItcoin. Wow! Som na tých byrokratov tak pyšný [22:37]
gribble Error: Google says: Response Status 403: Please use Translate v2. See [22:37]
fluffypony that's the kickstarter thing? [22:37]
davout khersonus: if you really want to nitpick you should also add "and not quickly multiply more numbers and broadcast it in such a way that the first broadcast never gets confirmed" :D [22:37]
kakobrekla nanotube ;;translate broked [22:37]
khersonus davout: true :) [22:37]
fluffypony "Fein Sender is a part of our mobile app that allows one to display a barcode on your phones screen that anyone can scan using their phone’s camera." [22:38]
fluffypony wow [22:38]
fluffypony such technology [22:38]
davout feincoin > altcoin [22:39]
kakobrekla but can i buy helium balloons? [22:39]
Apocalyptic blasphemy davout ! [22:39]
fluffypony "You can give Fein Coins for events such as raking a yard or selling a pencil or more." [22:39]
fluffypony PLZ RAKE MY YARD [22:39]
fluffypony WILL PAY IN FINE KOINZ [22:39]
jurov kakobrekla: The tax authority distinguishes between bitcoin and Bitcoin. Wow! I'm so proud of there bureaucrats [22:40]
kakobrekla mircea_popescu can we ipo pencil selling buzzyiness? [22:40]
davout kakobrekla: no, fuck you, i like S.LIMBS moar [22:40]
kakobrekla davout the only stock you are ipoing is S.LAUGHING ! [22:41]
fluffypony I'm so sad my S.LIMBS thread got deleted [22:41]
fluffypony forum mods suck [22:41]
* jurov as all for S.BUTTCO [22:41]
davout i'm still fucking waiting for NAT.ROUTERS [22:41]
jurov or it's rather F.BUTTCO ? [22:41]
kakobrekla sounds like some 80' computer company [22:42]
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davout kakobrekla: "sounds like some 80' computer company" <<< looks like we don't speak the same english [22:44]
kakobrekla prolly [22:44]
davout gotta love the "100% non illegal" thing [22:46]
kakobrekla ;;tslb [22:47]
gribble Time since last block: 10 minutes and 6 seconds [22:47]
kakobrekla aw fuck [22:47]
davout at least it doesn't return 10,000 minutes XD [22:49]
kakobrekla :D [22:49]
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khersonus davout: from bitcoin-central TOS "The PLATFORM allows the CUSTOMER to submit TRADE ORDERS for the purchase or sale of Bitcoins" << probably a stupid question, but how does VAT not apply to that? [22:50]
davout khersonus: it's not a stupid question [22:50]
davout we're simply not counterparty to trades [22:50]
Apocalyptic khersonus, it does apply I think [22:50]
Apocalyptic on the fees [22:50]
davout basically the way it works is that you have an account in BTC [22:50]
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davout a EUR account in your name with our financial partner [22:51]
davout you're mandating us, and pay us to simply shuffle money around these accounts [22:51]
Apocalyptic they are just providing the service, in exchange for the fee, so the VAT is levied on that [22:51]
khersonus davout: so if I sell/buy on bitcoin-central, should someone on one side of the trade technically pay vat? [22:51]
davout it's your money deposited in EUR, in your name, and you give us a mandate to move it around, the mandate is the trick [22:52]
davout VAT applies on our fee, so on 0.59% charged there's a part that goes in the pocket of the motherland [22:52]
khersonus I see [22:52]
davout "should someone on one side of the trade technically pay vat?" <<< you're the first one to actually make this very good comment [22:52]
davout the answer is "technically, probably yes, but that's not bitcoin-central's problem" [22:53]
jurov yes i'm supposed to pay VAT once my company oversteps 49k EUR/365 days [22:53]
khersonus davout: interesting, thanks [22:53]
kakobrekla usually its up to end user to handle that shit with local authorities [22:53]
davout it's a non issue for non-corporate customers, but it might technically be one for corporate ones [22:53]
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davout (only corporations are subject to VAT) [22:54]
jurov davout it *is* one [22:54]
HeySteve re: bitcoin foundation again, members are resigning: [22:54]
Apocalyptic jurov, I believe it's the running year btw [22:54]
jurov yes, that's why i wrote 365 days [22:54]
Apocalyptic "za poslednych 12 mesiacov" [22:54]
Apocalyptic ok [22:54]
davout khersonus: like jurov points out, in some specific corporation setups there are thresholds for applicability [22:54]
jurov i can avoid it only by supplying an evidence that whatever landed on company account were payments for services delivered to outside EU [22:55]
davout we have the same kind of thing in france with the "auto-entrepreneur" setup, the way it works though, is that if you go over the threshold you lose the AE status and are required to create a different type of corp. which in practice results in the same thing as jurov [22:55]
kakobrekla lol foundation self owned themselfs [22:55]
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davout jurov: yeah, that too [22:55]
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davout kakobrekla: link ? [22:56]
kakobrekla well what HeySteve said and [22:56]
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jurov !up lolstate [22:57]
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HeySteve this brock guy is the last straw [22:57]
HeySteve they're not even trying any more [22:57]
kakobrekla they now have a dedicated "post your resignation here" thread [22:57]
davout kakobrekla: oh sorry, i missed that [22:57]
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fluffypony only 1 resignation thus far [22:59]
fluffypony but [22:59]
jurov two [22:59]
fluffypony someone has come out and said they'll go up to Platinum [22:59]
HeySteve yeah check the foundation forum [22:59]
pankkake meh, caring about the children. [22:59]
fluffypony if the pedophile resigns [22:59]
khersonus davout: so for your X.EUR future on mpex, if someone wanted EUR though b-c, should bitcoin-central be paying VAT on that? (because as far as I can tell, there's no fee, so the tax wouldn't come from the fee) [22:59]
pankkake as if this guy was the real issue. and what about that booby lee fucker? [22:59]
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HeySteve at least bobby lee isn't another american [22:59]
HeySteve needs more int'l and less crims [22:59]
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fluffypony pankkake: I think this is the straw that is breaking the camel's back [23:00]
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HeySteve fluffypony, for me it is. if I ever write on the foundation, I'll use those lovely scam labels [23:00]
-mist- [Global Notice] What are you doing on IRC? Go watch Eurovision! ;) [23:00]
davout khersonus: BC is not directly involved in X.EUR, however, I do use it to systematically hedge all X.EUR trades, so the tax/fee link is only indirect [23:00]
fluffypony lol [23:00]
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pankkake "Chinese-American, he was born in Africa; his entrepreneurial parents ran a flip-flop factory in the Ivory Coast" [23:02]
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kakobrekla anyway, Luke-Jr now has a buddy to talk to and exchange the various graphic materials in the foundation [23:02]
kakobrekla so theres that. [23:03]
fluffypony pankkake: we call them slip-slops...but we call traffic lights "robots" so South African English isn't much to go on [23:03]
Apocalyptic Luke is into this child porn thing ? [23:03]
pankkake kakobrekla just likes to slander [23:03]
Apocalyptic oic [23:04]
kakobrekla fuck you you fuckin scamming noob ! [23:04]
Apocalyptic dat kako [23:04]
fluffypony kakobrekla: pay him to troll, he's cheap! [23:04]
pankkake "As you know, both are champions of Litecoin" [23:04]
pankkake and I'd rather have a child rapist than a litecoiner anyway [23:05]
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jurov pankkake so you care about scamdation now? [23:07]
kakobrekla does it make a difference if you piss or shit in the sewage pankkake ? [23:07]
kakobrekla same question meh. [23:08]
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pankkake I'm not sure what makes you think that [23:08]
davout pankkake: "and I'd rather have a child rapist than a litecoiner anyway" <<< lmao [23:08]
kakobrekla for wife or ? [23:08]
pankkake I don't think anyone cared for real, I only learned about who was on the board with the various scandals [23:09]
jurov we're just interested in your reasoning why [23:09]
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kakobrekla jurov pankkake is just trying to be provocative by being a pussy [23:10]
pankkake exactly. [23:10]
jurov oh. anyway, both cases are still better that some fag hater [23:11]
jurov like that eichmann @ mozilla [23:11]
pankkake lol [23:11]
HeySteve heh never understood that [23:12]
HeySteve what does the guy's opinion have to do with ability to run a business? [23:12]
* fluffypony hah hah, someone is trying to pull a scam of some sort -;u=328152 [23:12]
pankkake lol [23:13]
jurov HeySteve: it boiled down to "we must show them" [23:13]
davout fluffypony: lol [23:13]
HeySteve lol fluffypony [23:13]
kakobrekla i would fell for 'thermos' [23:13]
davout fluffypony: here you go, banned, if he wasn't already [23:13]
fluffypony kakobrekla: btw railzand mentioned to me that TF has cleaned up his forum sig and now has a BitBet affiliate link in his signature [23:13]
fluffypony dat ploy for legitimacy [23:13]
davout nah, looks like he was banned already [23:14]
kakobrekla lol wtf fluffypony [23:14]
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fluffypony kakobrekla: maybe he's hoping to recover enough money to pay everyone back :-P [23:14]
kakobrekla he should take advice from Ukyo [23:15]
fluffypony hah hah [23:15]
davout fluffypony: if mircea_popescu was around he'd probably tell you it could actually be his best opportunity XD [23:15]
fluffypony Nefario, Ukyo, and TradeFortress walk into a bar [23:15]
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kakobrekla 0 btc come out. [23:15]
fluffypony hah hah [23:15]
davout LOL [23:15]
kakobrekla or [23:15]
kakobrekla cant afford for a drink. [23:15]
Apocalyptic heh [23:15]
kakobrekla pick one [23:15]
fluffypony hah hah [23:15]
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fluffypony mircea_popescu:hey skinnkavaj do you see any reason i couldn't fuck michelle obama's daughters on film ? <- sorry to disappoint: [23:29]
pankkake I'd rather fuck the Bush daughters [23:31]
HeySteve haha [23:32]
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ozbot Ukraine Scrambles Fighter Jets, Intercepts Airplane Carrying Russian Deputy Premier | Zero Hedge [23:34]
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mircea_popescu fluffypony fuck [23:36]
fluffypony oh don't worry, mircea_popescu - follow up message: [23:37]
fluffypony looks like it's all clear [23:38]
mircea_popescu does she even have daughters ? [23:38]
fluffypony nfi [23:38]
pankkake two, I googlimaged it. one seems quite young [23:38]
fluffypony and we wouldn't want more pedo talk in here [23:39]
mircea_popescu meanwhile some place completely different : [23:39]
mircea_popescu fluffypony that's right, this is the channel of the minority of people into bitcoin that aren't also pedos. [23:40]
fluffypony Etretat: - looks like a scene from Planet of the Apes [23:40]
mircea_popescu uh. the mother is actually marginally fuckable. the daughters however... [23:41]
mircea_popescu i'd rather fuck an oven mit. [23:41]
pankkake is it?! [23:42]
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mircea_popescu "MPEx is a scam, and this is one of his shells. The owner of MPEx has multiple aliases that he posts boosting his own image. The first post "Peter Lambert" posted on this thread, was a copy paste they have posted on other security threads before." [23:43]
mircea_popescu o look at that. [23:43]
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fluffypony mircea_popescu: yeah we were joking about the "shells" thing the other day [23:43]
mircea_popescu imo i dont hink btc atm will catch on on the long run << obviously not. but let the circus of irrelevancy have their fun. [23:44]
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mircea_popescu so mpex is a scam, and cryptostocks is an exchange. i wonder what melanoma is. [23:46]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Melanoma is a beauty mark. [23:46]
mircea_popescu a hip new fashion or a corporate conspiracy ? [23:46]
BingoBoingo And Fournier's gangerene is a sign of verility. [23:47]
davout "verility" <<< being a true man [23:48]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla: [23:48]
mircea_popescu >I found a way to generate Bitcoins even faster then every Miner, in a legal way. the Methode i use whas checked by local Lawyer and is 100% non illegal. << in general, the mark of a trustworthy doctor or medicine is that it promises to cure 100% whatever health issue you may have, and similarly the mark of competent legal counsel is that they issue 100% non illegalcy certifications [23:48]
mircea_popescu o look it's a khersonus [23:49]
jurov FTFY: the doctor must have certificate issued by lawyer [23:49]
fluffypony also don't forget dat guarantee [23:49]
jurov and vice versa [23:49]
fluffypony it's impossible because running away with them is not a loss in the truest sense of the word [23:50]
davout i would only be half-surprised if the actual business plan turns out to be an investment in feincoin [23:50]
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fluffypony lol [23:50]
mircea_popescu hello guys. i was told i can find someone on this internet that can rake my yard [23:53]
mircea_popescu in exchange for a pencil. [23:53]
davout "if you were michelle obama i'd be marginally interested in raking your yard with my pencil" [23:54]
mircea_popescu jurov: or it's rather F.BUTTCO ? < i would suspect it'd be X.BUTTCO [23:54]
mircea_popescu davout lol good one [23:54]
khersonus oh hey mp [23:55]
mircea_popescu davout: it's a non issue for non-corporate customers, but it might technically be one for corporate ones << im not so sure about that. afaik, most jurisdictions require the provider to collect vat for the customer. [23:55]
mircea_popescu which is why when you buy a pencil in a shop, the vat shows up on your bill. even if you should have paid it, the shop is not legally allowed to just sell you the pencil [23:56]
mircea_popescu they have to also act the tax man, and collect and pay ~for you~ the vat ~you owe~ for the government's convenience. [23:56]
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davout you mean, the second part of the statement, you're not sure about, right? [23:57]
mircea_popescu HeySteve: re: bitcoin foundation again, members are resigning: << lmao you know the BF's desperate for attention when they're actually begging for people disgusted by them to actually leave comments on their otherwise dead forum [23:57]
mircea_popescu "please guys, spit on us, urinate, anything anything as long as we're involved in any way!" [23:58]
mircea_popescu davout i mean as a corporation selling to natural persons, you may or may not end up in hot water with whatever local tax authority if you don't give them a vat. [23:58]
mircea_popescu because, logically, they will wish to be paid, and will lean on whatever is available. [23:58]
davout mircea_popescu: didn't really think about it this way, if the corp. selling coins on BC gets audited they'd be the one getting in trouble, i hear your point though [23:59]
mircea_popescu especially seeing how france works with regards to tax and its budget, [23:59]
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