Forum logs for 08 May 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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Azelphur	BCB: what SEC warning?	[00:00]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-05-2014#664942	[00:01]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[00:01]
Mats_cd03	http://youtu.be/dxDbenBTGp0 note the allahu snackbars getting progressively louder	[00:01]
BCB	Azelphur: "investor alert" http://investor.gov/news-alerts/investor-alerts/investor-alert-bitcoin-other-virtual-currency-related-investments#.U2qfJfk7u-3	[00:01]
Mats_cd03	kinda like car alarms, but fucktarded	[00:02]
Azelphur	fun	[00:02]
BCB	My favorite quote “we don’t do any verification” and “we’re not the paperwork police.”	[00:02]
BCB	Another Trendon Shavers	[00:02]
BCB	Azelphur: how is the beach? Getting warm there yet?	[00:02]
Azelphur	BCB: great, nice and warm (But air conditioning), sunshine and beach babes, can't complain.	[00:03]
BCB	Azelphur: you should set up a live-stream bikini-cam!	[00:03]
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Azelphur	BCB: I had one for a while, but I don't have anything high resolution enough to see detail :p	[00:04]
Mats_cd03	http://www.livingtransformation.ch/index.php/a-history-of-healing/79-science/118-heart-brain	[00:04]
ozbot	The Heart Brain	[00:05]
BCB	Azelphur: details are important	[00:05]
Azelphur	hehe	[00:05]
Azelphur	BCB: got a friend of mine and aldur1 coming down, gonna raise the collective IQ of the town by a few points.	[00:05]
BCB	Ha! I bet!	[00:06]
Azelphur	hehe	[00:06]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 15 @ 0.041 = 0.615 BTC [+]	[00:08]
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Mats_cd03	and one for the bucket list: base jumping https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtundW1rZ2A	[00:09]
Mats_cd03	Aaaand that's all for today	[00:09]
asciilifeform	Mats_cd03: lol! why does throttle need to be electric again?	[00:10]
Mats_cd03	why does everything have to be electric is the better question	[00:10]
asciilifeform	'in the future, all chairs shall be electric.'	[00:10]
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Mats_cd03	i guess it would be cool if you could electrify my dong	[00:11]
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Mats_cd03	erection via BLE	[00:11]
asciilifeform	Mats_cd03: even this has been done.	[00:12]
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Mats_cd03	i live in america, its probably too expensive :( that would be quite a firmware upgrade	[00:13]
dub	my toyota is plagued by unintented acceleration	[00:13]
pankkake	try the electrified butt plugs	[00:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2744 @ 0.00013 = 0.3567 BTC [-] {3}	[00:16]
asciilifeform	re: unisys: pediwikia has an interesting summary - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unisys#Controversies	[00:16]
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ThickAsThieves	https://jlopp.github.io/statoshi/	[00:18]
ozbot	Statoshi by jlopp	[00:18]
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asciilifeform	!up Mats_cd03	[00:21]
assbot	Voicing Mats_cd03 for 30 minutes.	[00:21]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 9 @ 0.041 = 0.369 BTC [+]	[00:24]
Mats_cd03	http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/12/16/terrible-twos-who-stay-terrible/	[00:28]
thestringpuller	how do you guys feel about the Pomodoro technique	[00:29]
thestringpuller	or just about focus techniques in general	[00:29]
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thestringpuller	never really see too much info on that in this channel	[00:29]
fluffypony	thestringpuller	[00:29]
fluffypony	I use pomodoro when I've got too much on my plate	[00:30]
Mats_cd03	my focus technique is to get super baked and do work	[00:30]
fluffypony	otherwise I work on something for 5 minutes and then get distracted by this other thing I need to do	[00:30]
thestringpuller	yup	[00:30]
fluffypony	pomodoro is really good for that scenario	[00:30]
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thestringpuller	pomodoro helps me to output so much more code	[00:30]
BCB	thestringpuller: bitcoin is over	[00:30]
thestringpuller	it's even good for meetings	[00:30]
fluffypony	but outside of that I drop 100mg Provigil in the morning and I'm fine	[00:31]
thestringpuller	start a pomodoro and force people to stay on topic for at least 25 minutes	[00:31]
thestringpuller	these kids an provigil	[00:31]
thestringpuller	isn't that an anti-narcoleptic?	[00:31]
thestringpuller	like da fuq	[00:31]
fluffypony	yep pretty much	[00:31]
Mats_cd03	i like it but it doesn't help me focus	[00:31]
thestringpuller	def keeps you awake	[00:32]
fluffypony	Mats_cd03: I found I was having a nap in the afternoon	[00:32]
fluffypony	and I didn't like having 2-3 cups of coffee at 2pm	[00:32]
thestringpuller	i think that might be my first real blog post	[00:32]
fluffypony	just to keep going	[00:32]
thestringpuller	how to use the pomodoro	[00:32]
fluffypony	thestringpuller: do it	[00:32]
thestringpuller	i have to migrate my blog from tumblr	[00:32]
thestringpuller	thestringpuller.tumblr.com	[00:33]
Mats_cd03	i dont experience much (<25%) cognitive decline after 24 hours when i temper it with provigil across the same period	[00:33]
Mats_cd03	iirc this is why usaf pilots are now on provigil regimens instead of amphetamines for long overflight missions	[00:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 12 @ 0.041 = 0.492 BTC [+]	[00:34]
thestringpuller	yea but you still burn out certain receptors for long durations	[00:34]
fluffypony	Mats_cd03: and it's a gentle lift, not an extreme yank, which is nice	[00:35]
Mats_cd03	fluffypony: i too have napped on it, but i consume 50mg during waking periods i use it to avoid developing a tolerance	[00:36]
fluffypony	Mats_cd03: oh I meant I napped without it	[00:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24700 @ 0.00085551 = 21.1311 BTC [-] {4}	[00:36]
fluffypony	when I'm on it I don't nap	[00:36]
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Mats_cd03	i remember reading about a poker player consuming ridiculous doses, like close to a gram, because he abused it for so long to gain a perceived edge in training sessions and subsequently tournaments	[00:38]
fluffypony	:/	[00:39]
fluffypony	that's nuts	[00:39]
Mats_cd03	its really not terribly special other than the edge case where you need all the cognitive performance you can get while sustaining on low sleep	[00:39]
thestringpuller	damn i'm going to miss MPOE-PR's writing	[00:40]
thestringpuller	onto bigger and better things I suppose	[00:40]
thestringpuller	I'm spending my downtime at work re-reading posts from when I was a n00b	[00:40]
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Mats_cd03	you can't train people to operate effectively on low sleep, infanteers have been trying for millennia	[00:40]
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fluffypony	Mats_cd03: agreed	[00:41]
fluffypony	my use case is 5-6 hours of sleep a night + focus during waking hours	[00:42]
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Mats_cd03	thestringpuller: digitalocean + Ghost (a blogging thingmajig) works pretty well for me	[00:46]
fluffypony	node.js :/	[00:47]
fluffypony	"Node.js is the platform which powers Ghost. Being built on Chrome's JavaScript runtime, makes it fast, scalable, and incredibly efficient."	[00:47]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 11 @ 0.041 = 0.451 BTC [+]	[00:47]
fluffypony	"because if it's good enough for your browser, it can for realz handle tens of thousands of concurrent connections!"	[00:48]
Mats_cd03	o	[00:48]
Mats_cd03	idk anything about the web	[00:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 4 @ 0.14049999 = 0.562 BTC [+]	[00:49]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 25 @ 0.041 = 1.025 BTC [+]	[00:50]
Mats_cd03	http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2654794/	[00:50]
Mats_cd03	re: modafinil (provigil)	[00:51]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1348 @ 0.00012925 = 0.1742 BTC [-] {2}	[00:52]
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BingoBoingo	For blogging the right tool, is usually, probably going to be some wordpress thing.	[00:55]
BingoBoingo	Then the things you like/dislike about wordpress shape the next choice	[00:55]
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BingoBoingo	http://it.slashdot.org/story/14/05/07/1539217/tls-13-draft-prepares-to-drop-static-rsa-key-exchange	[00:58]
ozbot	TLS 1.3 Draft Prepares to Drop Static RSA Key Exchange - Slashdot	[00:58]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.041 = 0.205 BTC [+]	[01:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 9 @ 0.041 = 0.369 BTC [+]	[01:06]
fluffypony	wasn't there a kick up recently about Havelock not actually being registered in Panama?	[01:07]
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davout	fluffypony: it's actually the reactor pattern that rocks	[01:10]
fluffypony	davout: then they should pitch it like that	[01:11]
davout	what?	[01:12]
fluffypony	davout: they're saying node.js is fast/scalable/efficient because it's powered by a browser technology	[01:13]
fluffypony	but it's the reactor pattern that rocks	[01:13]
fluffypony	so they should pitch it like that	[01:14]
davout	why ?	[01:14]
davout	if you're a retard that doesn't have a clue you'll take it at face value, if you know what the reactor pattern is and how evented IO is nice you'll read between the lines	[01:15]
fluffypony	I spose	[01:15]
davout	see, if marketing was about communicating precise and factual information, then it wouldn't be marketing anymore	[01:15]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.041 = 0.205 BTC [-]	[01:16]
fluffypony	lol	[01:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12432 @ 0.00085799 = 10.6665 BTC [+]	[01:19]
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pankkake	is it because browser technology or because google?	[01:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.041 = 0.205 BTC [-]	[01:20]
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pankkake	!up Hiro2	[01:21]
assbot	Insufficient rights, pankkake, !up yourself on PM first.	[01:21]
davout	pankkake: because it's derpcentralized	[01:22]
pankkake	!up Hiro2	[01:22]
assbot	Insufficient rights, pankkake, !up yourself on PM first.	[01:22]
pankkake	bleh	[01:22]
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pankkake	!up	[01:22]
assbot	Need a nickname, pankkake.	[01:22]
pankkake	!up Hiro2	[01:22]
assbot	Voicing Hiro2 for 30 minutes.	[01:22]
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Hiro2	thank you	[01:22]
pankkake	:)	[01:23]
Hiro2	could anyone tell me why ASICMINER is no longer giving out dividends?	[01:23]
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Hiro2	I won passthru from Havelock	[01:23]
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Hiro2	own*	[01:23]
pankkake	as far as I know, there's not enough revenue to	[01:23]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 50 @ 0.041 = 2.05 BTC [-]	[01:23]
Hiro2	and ActiveMining? has it been two weeks yet for old shares to be active?	[01:24]
pankkake	their finances aren't very transparent right now :/	[01:24]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 25 @ 0.041 = 1.025 BTC [-]	[01:25]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 28 @ 0.041 = 1.148 BTC [-] {2}	[01:27]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 24 @ 0.041 = 0.984 BTC [-]	[01:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19250 @ 0.00085793 = 16.5152 BTC [-]	[01:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 13 @ 0.0425 = 0.5525 BTC [+]	[01:37]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 19 @ 0.033 = 0.627 BTC [+]	[01:42]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 49 @ 0.041 = 2.009 BTC [-]	[01:47]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.4599999 = 2.3 BTC [+]	[01:48]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10634 @ 0.00085812 = 9.1252 BTC [+] {2}	[01:53]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 277 @ 0.0014 = 0.3878 BTC [+]	[01:57]
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mircea_popescu	try the electrified butt plugs << actually those are kinda bad for you. there is such a thing as electric burns of the mucosa.	[02:07]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller tumblr is for pronz	[02:08]
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mircea_popescu	wasn't there a kick up recently about Havelock not actually being registered in Panama? << yes.	[02:13]
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mircea_popescu	could anyone tell me why ASICMINER is no longer giving out dividends? << asicminer seems to be going to shit.	[02:13]
mircea_popescu	well, they've been going to shit for a while, but the slide is accelerating	[02:14]
mircea_popescu	!up Visitor	[02:14]
assbot	Voicing Visitor for 30 minutes.	[02:14]
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mircea_popescu	activeminer lawl.	[02:14]
asciilifeform	electric burns of the mucosa << easily confused for electrolytic burns (h2o splits, salt present, hcl. yuck.) to avoid this, use strictly alternating current (no dc bias.)	[02:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 25 @ 0.0425 = 1.0625 BTC [+]	[02:16]
asciilifeform	(most folks who complain of burns from playing with biostimulators are getting exactly this)	[02:16]
mircea_popescu	right	[02:17]
ryepdx	Hiro2: Not sure if this went through the first time, as I'm having connectivity issues. The reason (AFAIK) was to raise capital to produce their next-gen miners and chips. The next round of dividends are projected to come out on May 27th, at which point they'll be moving to a monthly dividend schedule. Source: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg6465166#msg6465166	[02:17]
*	mircea_popescu cuts out the .org and adds a dot before lk in that link, to get https://bitcointa.lk/index.php?topic=99497.msg6465166#msg6465166 which readily resolves to https://bitcointa.lk/threads/asicminer-entering-the-future-of-asic-mining-by-inventing-it.61268/page-972#post-6169327 on a much better forum.	[02:18]
ryepdx	mircea_popescu: Thanks for the tip.	[02:19]
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asciilifeform	so long as you follow this and other safety formulae (all electrodes below the belt) you can get some... interesting results. males, females both.	[02:21]
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asciilifeform	what results - left as exercise for the alert reader / experimenter.	[02:22]
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mircea_popescu	!jd mpif	[02:25]
assbot	Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 164.02224689 BTC; +0.00374863 BTC (+0.0023%) since last check 22h 43m 27s ago.	[02:25]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 9 @ 0.041 = 0.369 BTC [-]	[02:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26850 @ 0.0008597 = 23.0829 BTC [+] {2}	[02:33]
turbo_ac100	bitcointa.lk firefox addon is down here https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/bitcointalk/	[02:34]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.reddit.com/r/vertcoin/comments/24prud/vertpay_is_doing_the_very_first_vertcoin_based_ipo/	[02:38]
mircea_popescu	lol look at fluffypony killing it with teh scamcoin	[02:38]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00086168 = 9.4785 BTC [+] {2}	[02:42]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony so opened on feb 8th at 0.025, peaked at .1, then piefaced towards 0.015ish. is it dead ?	[02:44]
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BingoBoingo	It can still go lower.	[02:44]
mircea_popescu	well sure. .015 is still 150000x a doge.	[02:44]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.041 = 0.123 BTC [-]	[02:45]
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BingoBoingo	I kind of want to see it locked into that ratio with doge as it crashes	[02:46]
mircea_popescu	!up taub	[02:46]
assbot	Voicing taub for 30 minutes.	[02:46]
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mircea_popescu	;;gettrust assbot taub	[02:46]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user taub: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=taub \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=taub \| Rated since: never	[02:46]
BingoBoingo	To where You can't trade a single doge for a satoshi	[02:46]
taub	i suck at using that auth	[02:46]
mircea_popescu	taub you need to get rated by someone in assbot's l2, then id with gribble and pm assbot !up	[02:46]
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taub	whats assbots l2 oO	[02:46]
mircea_popescu	being rated by people who have been rated by assbot	[02:47]
taub	does anyone else think hitbtc is faking volume like crazy?	[02:47]
mircea_popescu	with the exception of mpex, everyone is.	[02:47]
taub	bitfinex and bitstamp seem legit	[02:48]
mircea_popescu	stamp, btc-e, all the play-pretend stock exchanges in history, from glbse onwards, and definitely all the "greatest best first ever" blablas.	[02:48]
mircea_popescu	mtgox faked its volume, too.	[02:48]
mircea_popescu	so did bitcoinica	[02:48]
mircea_popescu	the list doesn't end.	[02:48]
taub	getting chopped trying to find the end to this slump, buying too early :/	[02:49]
taub	i think it's turning soon tho	[02:49]
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taub	or we go below 380 then srs trouble	[02:49]
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mircea_popescu	!up toastee	[02:49]
assbot	Voicing toastee for 30 minutes.	[02:49]
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mircea_popescu	taub what difference does it make, i still have btc i bought at 2.	[02:50]
BingoBoingo	Some time in the next week someone's going to be sending me PPUSD, prolly need to start scouting people I can unload them on.	[02:50]
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BingoBoingo	When that happens, then bitcoin may once again proceed towards moon.	[02:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29300 @ 0.00086244 = 25.2695 BTC [+] {2}	[02:53]
taub	china let me down :(	[02:53]
mircea_popescu	lol	[02:53]
BingoBoingo	taub: They let Mao down too. It happens.	[02:53]
mircea_popescu	"CNBC Correspondent, alum @NYUStern (MBA) and @MiamiUniversity, country music & college football enthusiast --- livin' the NYC dream but forever a proud Ohioan"	[02:55]
mircea_popescu	a proud... ohioan ?! you've got to be kidding me	[02:55]
mircea_popescu	they let anyone in nyc these days.	[02:55]
BingoBoingo	They always have, it's why NYC get a commie mayor.	[02:55]
mircea_popescu	o, i forgot they did that.	[02:56]
mircea_popescu	i imagine on the mid term nyc will be more like paris huh	[02:56]
BingoBoingo	Or Mogadishu, hard to say.	[02:58]
mircea_popescu	well that'd be paris.	[02:58]
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BingoBoingo	!up princessnell	[02:59]
assbot	Voicing princessnell for 30 minutes.	[02:59]
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princessnell	ty	[02:59]
mircea_popescu	so today i learned that mra is a thing. and in the process :	[02:59]
mircea_popescu	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mra	[02:59]
ozbot	Urban Dictionary: mra	[02:59]
mircea_popescu	check out the ud bias lol.	[03:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.0425 = 0.1275 BTC [+]	[03:00]
mircea_popescu	i guess ima have to write about this nao.	[03:01]
princessnell	mra = beta-driven inverted feminism	[03:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34126 @ 0.00086429 = 29.4948 BTC [+] {4}	[03:03]
taub	what a joke, constant trades average size of 0.5 that happen between the spread outta nowhere	[03:03]
mircea_popescu	the internet is, practically speaking, a collection of frogs and cicadas arguing as to which one set is the true operatic singer.	[03:03]
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taub	http://puu.sh/8DsdW.png totally legit volume distribution	[03:03]
taub	shitbtc	[03:03]
mircea_popescu	taub what's in the graph ?	[03:03]
taub	daily btceur of hitbtc	[03:04]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3972 @ 0.00012314 = 0.4891 BTC [-] {8}	[03:08]
mircea_popescu	taub i don't know anyone that uses hitbtc anyway	[03:08]
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taub	yea i suppose it's not a big deal	[03:10]
taub	yet bitcoincharts wont rank houbi, but they'll rank this ;D	[03:10]
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mircea_popescu	what's houbi ?	[03:12]
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kakobrekla	the difference is that hitbtc is not china afaik, taub .	[03:25]
kakobrekla	at least thats their reasoning imo	[03:26]
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moiety	hallo	[03:31]
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BingoBoingo	Hello	[03:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11450 @ 0.0008866 = 10.1516 BTC [+]	[03:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.0425 = 0.2125 BTC [+]	[03:41]
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moiety	how are you BingoBoingo?	[03:46]
BingoBoingo	moiety: Been both better and worse	[03:46]
moiety	?? how's your cold been? and have you had an update?	[03:47]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.46499999 = 5.58 BTC [+] {3}	[03:50]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.469999 = 4.7 BTC [+]	[03:53]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0313 = 0.1565 BTC [-]	[03:59]
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mircea_popescu	hi moiety	[03:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 164 @ 0.0043 = 0.7052 BTC [+]	[04:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.031224 = 0.1561 BTC [-] {3}	[04:00]
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moiety	mew mircea_popescu how are you?	[04:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0710003 = 0.497 BTC [-]	[04:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 77 @ 0.041 = 3.157 BTC [-]	[04:03]
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mircea_popescu	pretty great	[04:03]
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moiety	:D how is m.pif doing?	[04:06]
moiety	theres a rogue dot in there isn't there	[04:07]
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kakobrekla	you know, it starts with 'fund' and ends with 'fund', so winklevossy. you are better off just saying 'mund'.	[04:11]
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moiety	i'm roaming around the wiki	[04:17]
moiety	ended up having visitors ive not seen for a long time hence absence and no guide	[04:17]
moiety	would you rather see a paste first before i plod around the wiki	[04:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00088212 = 4.6752 BTC [-]	[04:20]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 13 @ 0.041 = 0.533 BTC [-]	[04:21]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i can't say about the others, but 'btc-e' faking volume is a testable hypothesis.	[04:29]
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asciilifeform	(one could, in principle, take its real-time published trades and attempt buy/sell, see if it is matched at a particular offer, etc)	[04:30]
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asciilifeform	why anyone should wish to do this, is another matter.	[04:31]
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kakobrekla	moiety if you were talking about ba wiki , go ahead and plod, thats why its there.	[04:36]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.074 = 0.222 BTC [+]	[04:46]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.041 = 0.205 BTC [-]	[04:48]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.074 = 1.11 BTC [+]	[04:51]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0740001 = 0.74 BTC [+]	[05:04]
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dub	!down mobgod	[05:19]
assbot	Insufficient rights, dub, !up yourself on PM first.	[05:19]
thestringpuller	dub dub haven't seen you in a while	[05:20]
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mircea_popescu	(one could, in principle, take its real-time published trades and attempt buy/sell, see if it is matched at a particular offer, etc) << fake book != fake history.	[05:22]
mircea_popescu	!up princessnell	[05:23]
assbot	Voicing princessnell for 30 minutes.	[05:23]
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dub	thestringpuller: sup	[05:23]
princessnell	i was honored to be cited on trilema	[05:24]
princessnell	v exciting	[05:24]
dub	you put stationary in ur butt?	[05:24]
mircea_popescu	o was it your first time princessnell ?	[05:25]
princessnell	you tell me!	[05:25]
princessnell	or u mean anywhere?	[05:25]
mircea_popescu	princessnell no i mean on trilema o.O	[05:26]
princessnell	well i haven't scoured every post yet	[05:27]
mircea_popescu	!up realzies	[05:27]
assbot	Voicing realzies for 30 minutes.	[05:27]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: unless i misunderstand, real book transmuting to fake history is detectable with the only slightly non-naked eye	[05:31]
asciilifeform	supposing anyone gave a damn.	[05:31]
artifexd	Did the self voicing rules change?	[05:31]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform nah. jitney is an unsolved problem in the fiat markets either.	[05:35]
mircea_popescu	artifexd not afaik. why ?	[05:35]
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artifexd	As I understand it, to self up one must be in assbot's l2 (or higher).	[05:35]
artifexd	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-05-2014#665321 <- implies that l3 is sufficient. Rated by someone rated by assbot.	[05:36]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[05:36]
mircea_popescu	that's l2.	[05:36]
asciilifeform	jitney ?	[05:36]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform common penny stock fraud. two brokers pass the stock back and forth to create the semblance of volume.	[05:36]
asciilifeform	aha, so 'fake' as in shills, rather than cooked books as such	[05:37]
artifexd	Assbot rates bob. Bob is in assbots's l1. Bob rates George. George is in Assbot's l2. George rates Nancy. Nancy is in Assbot's l3. Or am I fundamentally misunderstanding somethign?	[05:37]
asciilifeform	'painted tape' ?	[05:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.00088342 = 16.4316 BTC [+]	[05:37]
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artifexd	In that example, Bob and George could self up, but Nancy could not. Right?	[05:38]
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mircea_popescu	artifexd right	[05:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 600 @ 0.00021402 = 0.1284 BTC [-] {3}	[05:38]
mircea_popescu	"Rated by someone rated by assbot". l2.	[05:38]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform well painting is more like price fixing	[05:39]
artifexd	Being rated by someone in assbots l2 doesn't do anything useful for self voicing though, right?	[05:39]
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mircea_popescu	also a little more risky, in the sense you may end up beaten to shit by the market.	[05:39]
mircea_popescu	artifexd right.	[05:39]
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artifexd	Ok. I'll chalk it up to you making a typo and that the rules didn't change.	[05:41]
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mircea_popescu	wait what typo did i make!	[05:41]
artifexd	mircea_popescu:taub you need to get rated by someone in assbot's l2, then id with gribble and pm assbot !up <- you need to be rated by someone in assbot's l1	[05:41]
asciilifeform	it makes arithmetical sense, that, using shills, an exchange can generate whatever 'market' price spectra it likes.	[05:41]
mircea_popescu	o yes.	[05:41]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform only if it has infinite resources.	[05:41]
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asciilifeform	what resource expenditures are needed, assuming the 'fake' prices are higher than the genuine market price ?	[05:42]
asciilifeform	(sell, rather than buy)	[05:42]
asciilifeform	fake sellers offer inflated price, fake buyers buy at it	[05:43]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform someone could sell (even short) your stock, taking "your" profits you paid to generate.	[05:43]
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asciilifeform	like the $10,000 video game machines on ebay.	[05:43]
mircea_popescu	this is generally why scammers bitch and whine about how shorts are bad :	[05:43]
mircea_popescu	they have just pushed the stock price up fraudulently, and don't want to be raped for it.	[05:43]
mircea_popescu	so they ask govt to intervene and distort the market.	[05:43]
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asciilifeform	afaik 'btc-e' offers no stock?	[05:44]
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mircea_popescu	either btc or fait can be the "stock"	[05:44]
mircea_popescu	a trade's a trade.	[05:44]
asciilifeform	so it follows that btc-e is eligible for raping?	[05:45]
asciilifeform	or, failing that, could be induced to operate outside of the stated parameters, proving bezzle	[05:46]
mircea_popescu	we are discussing quite different things. i said jitney, you proposed to replace it with painting the tape, i pointed out that that's different.	[05:46]
mircea_popescu	it is different.	[05:46]
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decimation	Herr Walker reviews a book about high frequency trading: http://www.fourmilab.ch/fourmilog/archives/2014-05/001510.html	[05:48]
decimation	leads to http://investorsexchange.com (not a joke site!)	[05:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15225 @ 0.00088212 = 13.4303 BTC [-]	[05:48]
asciilifeform	associated with... expertSexchange?	[05:49]
decimation	heh don't think so	[05:49]
decimation	"This exchange, IEX, (it was originally to be called ?Investors Exchange?, but the founders realised that the obvious Internet domain name, investorsexchange.com, could be infelicitously parsed into three words as well as two), would include technological constraints (including 38 miles of fibre optic cable in a box to create latency between the point of presence where traders could attach and the servers which matched bids and asks) which	[05:49]
decimation	rendered the strategies of the HFTs impotent and obsolete. "	[05:49]
decimation	lol 38 miles of fiber in a box	[05:49]
mircea_popescu	decimation im sure we lolled at that domain before.	[05:50]
asciilifeform	i recall seeing a photo of this very box, here.	[05:50]
decimation	yeah probably	[05:50]
decimation	the question is: do you trust the fiat brigade to maintain the "integrity" of their 38 miles? Who audits the delay time?	[05:50]
asciilifeform	chumpatronics.	[05:51]
mircea_popescu	Sep 19 23:03:52 bitcoinsexchange.com (later a hyphen is added to clear things up, bitcoins-exchange.com)	[05:51]
mircea_popescu	nm. different one	[05:51]
decimation	the greater chumpatron sucks chumps attempting to evade lesser chumpatrons	[05:51]
moiety	kakobrekla: done. would you see if it's of any use please?	[05:51]
mircea_popescu	so there's been a sexchange of bitcoin, experts and investors so far. who's next ?	[05:53]
decimation	you know your "market" has entered LOListan when exchanges compete, promising to screw the customer slightly less	[05:53]
mircea_popescu	obamasexchange.biz ?	[05:53]
decimation	that sounda more like future news	[05:53]
moiety	kakobrekla: why does my title have - and not spaces -_- sorry will delete	[05:53]
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dub	dc's in and near exchanges all have minimum cable distance to make it 'fair' from what Ive heard	[05:54]
decimation	yeah but there are clear incentives to "cheat"	[05:54]
dub	which is why the house enforces it	[05:54]
mircea_popescu	the funny part being that this hft thing is a solved problem, mpex doesn't have it.	[05:54]
mircea_popescu	you don't need 38 miles of cable either	[05:55]
asciilifeform	the problem, as i understand, exists where people wish it to exist.	[05:55]
BingoBoingo	That trilema article was one of the most revealing to me	[05:55]
dub	there used to be serious competition to be in closer racks	[05:55]
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decimation	I guess the only reason there is a front running "problem" is because only a small oligarchy has access to the market	[05:55]
artifexd	I've never understood why hft is a problem.	[05:56]
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mircea_popescu	decimation i'd say it exists because a wide nonoligarchy somehow got the mistaken impression it should have access to the market.	[05:56]
decimation	true	[05:56]
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decimation	imagine you are the CEO of IBM: you know whether you hold a clown circus for your next board meeting or not, all the chumps are going to auto-buy your stock next Thursday	[05:57]
mircea_popescu	what exact value would one expect from joe the plumber's knowledge of stocks and the world around him to be passed through his 3k into apple's market	[05:57]
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mircea_popescu	decimation for instance, buffett refused small investors precisely for this reason. fuck you, we don't want your stupid.	[05:57]
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decimation	also, the small investor has no say, even if he's not stupid	[05:58]
mircea_popescu	well, he has the say of his buy or sell, whatever it is. that's a say	[05:58]
decimation	because the votes of his 401k shares are excercised on his behalf	[05:58]
asciilifeform	we don't want your stupid << at the poker table, they certainly want the stupid.	[05:58]
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BingoBoingo	^	[05:58]
mircea_popescu	fifty milion idiots with 10 dollars each made britney spears a reality.	[05:58]
decimation	most USian's don't have any choice on what to buy	[05:58]
decimation	"stock fund" or "bond fund"	[05:58]
mircea_popescu	this is also true	[05:59]
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decimation	and the shares they own in these "funds" convey no rights	[05:59]
asciilifeform	fortunately, it remains possible to buy... nothing	[05:59]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform sure, the other market participants do want it. the corp tho doesn;t.	[05:59]
asciilifeform	at least at the moment.	[05:59]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform this takes us to the deep reason mpex is oft maligned on the sm : reddit, tardstalk et all are mostly made up of would-be daytraders, in their own head.	[06:00]
mircea_popescu	these are very insulted by a flat refusal to allow chumps at table.	[06:00]
decimation	so, basically banks and investment brokers end up excercising the ownership rights of idiots	[06:00]
decimation	which solves buffet's problem to some extent	[06:00]
mircea_popescu	decimation used to work fine up until they started hiring idiots.	[06:00]
*	asciilifeform once allowed 100 usd to vanish into '401k' nonsense through slothful inaction (forgot to fill out form to zap it after it was issued by an employer)	[06:00]
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mircea_popescu	how much is it worth now ?	[06:01]
decimation	asciilifeform you can avoid some of the 401k madness if your company offers a "Roth 401k"	[06:01]
asciilifeform	decimation: why would i want any	[06:01]
BingoBoingo	Generally in the US Roth anything is less insane	[06:01]
decimation	you pay taxes up front, but you can withdrawl the principal investment (not the earnings) at any time	[06:01]
BingoBoingo	But that still isn't sane	[06:01]
decimation	well, I guess if you want to pay more tax	[06:01]
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asciilifeform	better a tax than a straight disappearance into neverneverland	[06:02]
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decimation	I guess the gov't makes you pay one way or the other.	[06:02]
decimation	asciilifeform, many us corps (due to heavy USG encouragement) pay incentives to "invest" in 401ks	[06:03]
decimation	like, we will pay you 5% more if you "invest" 5%	[06:03]
asciilifeform	yeah, they do	[06:03]
decimation	you can see how this feeds the above-outlined chumpatron	[06:03]
asciilifeform	would you send 5% to nigerian scammers if someone offered to pay you 5% more for the trouble?	[06:04]
decimation	worse, they will pay 5% to the scammers, on the understanding that you can one day collect	[06:04]
mircea_popescu	^ employer matching	[06:05]
decimation	exactly	[06:05]
mircea_popescu	"pour your milk in this hole, we'll pour some more milk after it"	[06:05]
mircea_popescu	always made me think of the 1930s milk pouring exercises	[06:05]
asciilifeform	typically, this comes with a caveat, that the matched $ is yours only after x years of faithful servitude	[06:05]
mircea_popescu	wouldn't those have been great if the farmers didn't have to pour 100% of the milk poured,	[06:05]
mircea_popescu	but if stupid consumers did half of it ? then they could buy it... again.	[06:05]
decimation	the IRS "safe harbor" rule is that as long as you "pay" your janitor 3% in his 401k, you can offer any amount you wish to anyone else in your company	[06:06]
decimation	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/401%28k%29 " If the less compensated employees save more for retirement, then the HCEs are allowed to save more for retirement. "	[06:07]
ozbot	401(k) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[06:07]
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mircea_popescu	now look what benkay did : https://twitter.com/Artzicarol/status/464063334015197186/photo/1/large	[06:09]
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decimation	the problem with Roth plans: "I am altering the deal, pray I don't alter it further..."	[06:10]
mircea_popescu	how's taht specific to roth anything ?	[06:12]
asciilifeform	i won't be the least bit surprised when 401k, etc. confiscation is instituted for emigres	[06:12]
asciilifeform	'betrayed the motherland, sentenced to confiscation'	[06:12]
decimation	well, the roth deal is that you pay tax up front, on the promise that you never pay tax again...	[06:12]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2013/the-endless-story-of-korea/	[06:12]
ozbot	The endless story of Korea. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[06:12]
mircea_popescu	see the story of mr perry.	[06:12]
asciilifeform	precisely it.	[06:13]
mircea_popescu	"Plaintiff seeks to make his case solely upon the theory that, by reason of the change in the weight of the dollar he is entitled to $1.69 in the present currency for every dollar promised by the bond, regardless of any actual loss he has suffered with respect to any transaction in which his dollars may be used. We think that position is untenable."	[06:13]
mircea_popescu	make deal with usg to be repaid so and so.	[06:13]
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mircea_popescu	get repaid 55%. tough.	[06:13]
asciilifeform	take the money, spend on beer. they can't make you un-drink the beer, at least.	[06:13]
decimation	"we think that position is untenable"	[06:14]
mircea_popescu	court thinks your position is untenable	[06:14]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile the same government paid its own employees a full 100%	[06:14]
mircea_popescu	because well.	[06:14]
mircea_popescu	the gestapo you gotta pay. else the court may not "think"	[06:14]
decimation	USG pays its employees in its own scrip, and they think it's a great deal	[06:14]
mircea_popescu	decimation no, at the time, it paid people overseas (and select foreign governments)	[06:15]
mircea_popescu	at the 1.69 rate it wouldn'	[06:15]
mircea_popescu	t pay a mere citizen	[06:15]
decimation	http://www.fedsmith.com/2014/02/05/borrowing-from-the-g-fund-again-to-offset-the-debt-ceiling/	[06:15]
ozbot	Borrowing from the G Fund (Again) to Offset the Debt Ceiling - FedSmith.com	[06:15]
mircea_popescu	agreements be damned.	[06:15]
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decimation	"The G Fund holds approximately 37 percent of all TSP balances held by the 4.6 million TSP participants. As most readers know, the TSP is similar to a 401(k) retirement fund for about 4.6 million current and former government employees and uniformed service members. To make up for the deficit spending by the government, the Treasury has ?suspended reinvestment? or taken assets out of the G Fund to pay for other expenses."	[06:16]
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decimation	the bigger story is that 37% of fed retirment money is invested in a "fund" that has returned %0.82 year-to-date.	[06:18]
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decimation	I guess if they won't work as free employees they can always "have problems" and then work as zeks	[06:21]
asciilifeform	most of the people involved, sadly, can only be redeemed as... biodiesel.	[06:23]
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decimation	have you read The First Circle ascii?	[06:25]
asciilifeform	nope	[06:25]
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asciilifeform	familiar with the background, however.	[06:26]
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mircea_popescu	the bigger story is that 37% of fed retirment money is invested in a "fund" that has returned %0.82 year-to-date. << and then we cuss out people for "investing" in glbse&co	[06:27]
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decimation	mircea, the NSA is searching for a private citizen to donate to their new museum: Imagine how much it would cost to get your picture in the lobby? http://www.cryptologicfoundation.org/content/New-Museum-Project/	[06:29]
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mircea_popescu	lawl	[06:30]
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mircea_popescu	that's ok, they'll prolly do it for free.	[06:31]
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mircea_popescu	anyway, the message couldn't be louder or clearer : the nsa is being retired.	[06:32]
asciilifeform	they've had a museum for ages	[06:32]
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decimation	Re: price of gold adjustment during the FDR-era: http://books.google.com/books?id=53zTrfaIqSEC&pg=PA322 "we were thinking an increase of 19 to 22 cents. Roosevelt took one look at me and suggested a rise of 21 cents. "It's a lucky number," the President said with a laugh, "because it's three times seven"	[06:33]
asciilifeform	fellow i know wanted to take his kid there, and drove into the wrong gate	[06:33]
asciilifeform	they let him out. after a while.	[06:33]
mircea_popescu	(if anyone's wondering who ron isler is, btw, http://www.topdog08.com/2005/09/who_the_hell_is.html )	[06:33]
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decimation	is this related to those guys who claimed to attack that power substation in CA?	[06:35]
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mircea_popescu	i don't imagine it is.	[06:36]
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asciilifeform	a hypothetical retirement of nsa would be interesting, supposing the americans have built a tank in which to breed folks who can actually keep secrets - like fish	[06:39]
asciilifeform	failing that, it would have to be operated 'sharashka'-style.	[06:39]
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asciilifeform	('it' being replacement nsa)	[06:40]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform consider the more apocalyptic scenario : there's no secret currently kept by the nsa that we don't already know.	[06:40]
mircea_popescu	it's probably the more accurate.	[06:40]
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asciilifeform	http://youtu.be/BfeIGQ4xAcc?t=12m16s	[06:49]
ozbot	Aquarium - Soviet Military Intelligence Service 3/10 Full movie English subtitles - YouTube	[06:49]
asciilifeform	^ infamous scene, showing how to keep organization that keeps secrets.	[06:49]
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asciilifeform	(continued here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlIzzns3eMo)	[06:50]
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asciilifeform	(in the original books, the condemned was pulled out of the fire in the last moment, because an 'honourable' coffin came in, and took precedence. after which, the ceremony resumed.)	[06:51]
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bitcoinpete	TheNewDeal: that bastille day offer still on the table?	[06:59]
TheNewDeal	yes it is, through today	[06:59]
decimation	ascii I like the comically long red carpet and enormous table of the GRU chief	[07:00]
asciilifeform	this was specified in the book, if i recall	[07:00]
asciilifeform	'big enough to park in'	[07:00]
asciilifeform	what it was in real life, devil knows	[07:00]
asciilifeform	picture if snowden wrote book, about nsa headquarters.	[07:01]
asciilifeform	some will believe it, some won't, if the man is inclined to 'herodotus' the facts, he very well might succumb to temptation.	[07:01]
TheNewDeal	i'm off for a quick smoke	[07:01]
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decimation	especially when he knows the other side won't respond in public, by definition	[07:02]
mircea_popescu	that definitin is kinda borkt. i'd respond.	[07:02]
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asciilifeform	gru responded.	[07:02]
asciilifeform	'liar, liar, pants on fire'	[07:03]
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mircea_popescu	doesn't have to be something that stupid.	[07:04]
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asciilifeform	http://pastebin.com/6EQxr3nm	[07:10]
ozbot	aquarium piece - Pastebin.com	[07:10]
asciilifeform	(from british transl.)	[07:10]
decimation	The real GRU http://cryptome.org/eyeball/gru/pict4.jpg	[07:10]
decimation	they have a strange batman obsession apparently	[07:11]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla : http://imgur.com/0aVuzYa wtf ?	[07:12]
decimation	heh "But once he's got his Mercedes and his	[07:13]
decimation	own swimming pool, the traitor suddenly realizes that all	[07:13]
decimation	the people around him also have nice cars and pools. He	[07:13]
decimation	suddenly feels like an ant in a crowd of equally rich ants.	[07:13]
decimation	He loses the sense of superiority over those around him."	[07:13]
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decimation	it's better to be the richest of the poor than just another rich guy	[07:14]
mircea_popescu	this is very true.	[07:14]
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decimation	you know the funny thing is that the USSR had much official propaganda w.r.t. egalitarianism	[07:18]
decimation	if this is even half true, the very motor of the state was an elite hierarchy	[07:19]
decimation	in the west, there is no such hierarchy, yet egalitarianism is strictly enforced	[07:19]
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asciilifeform	the 'motor' of which kingdom, and where, is something other than a hierarchy ?	[07:22]
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mircea_popescu	decimation yes it's true, and yes it was.	[07:23]
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mircea_popescu	i'm not an elitist because i got bored daydreaming one day and fixated on that.	[07:24]
mircea_popescu	i'm an elitist because i've had the good chance to observe first hand what works and what doesn't and how and why.	[07:24]
asciilifeform	re: ussr - what kind of hierarchy, and how it suffered an american-style 'favoured son' sclerotic demise, is a beloved subject of armchair generals everywhere.	[07:24]
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mircea_popescu	and with that i bid you all a most excellent nighty night.	[07:25]
decimation	'night	[07:25]
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mircea_popescu	this was odd.	[13:54]
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mircea_popescu	digging through archives is kind-of lulzy.	[13:55]
mircea_popescu	"This INITIAL PUBLIC OFFERING AGREEMENT (the "Agreement") is made and entered into as of August 14, 2012, by and among Bitpantry, an unregistered corporation ; Ryan "aethero" Schreiber (GPG fingerprint 305C FB53 7F95 EB20 34A2 E72F 6B5A 5086 B24E D539), an individual ; Stormy "lucidlepidoptera" Schreiber (bitcoin address 1J96JXdfY3CYKeqiDASgnaKjLqumfqfSdG), an individual and MPEx"	[13:56]
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mircea_popescu	all the things i passed on.	[13:56]
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HeySteve	assbot doesn't recognise altgribble :)	[13:59]
Apocalyptic	HeySteve, altgribble isn't even here	[14:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00088921 = 2.9789 BTC [+]	[14:00]
mircea_popescu	;;gettrust assbot gribble	[14:04]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user gribble: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 1 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=gribble \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=gribble \| Rated since: Fri Nov 12 04:57:21 2010	[14:04]
mircea_popescu	this is fucking weird, are we being attacked ?	[14:04]
mircea_popescu	;;ident	[14:04]
gribble	Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is not identified.	[14:04]
mircea_popescu	HeySteve what do you mean itdoesn't recognise it ?	[14:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19700 @ 0.00087905 = 17.3173 BTC [-]	[14:06]
Apocalyptic	this is fucking weird, are we being attacked ? // it's the aliens	[14:07]
mircea_popescu	lol	[14:07]
bounce	hard to see how this news release is much beyond fud. apparently the girl "investigating", didn't do much of the sort.	[14:08]
bounce	(re sec thingy on investor.gov) -- relatedly, why would you require investors to be "accredited" other than as an old boys network protectionist measure?	[14:09]
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fluffypony	bounce: I didn't find it overly dramatic or fud? I think it would be better for investors to apply a bit of common sense than get caught up in hype	[14:10]
bounce	apparently the land of the free needs to nanny its investors	[14:11]
fluffypony	lol	[14:11]
mircea_popescu	bounce which girl ?	[14:12]
fluffypony	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583262.msg6601582#msg6601582 - "Opinion on usage of .io vs .co.uk? I prefer .co.uk in how it looks and sounds, however .io is better for google rankings."	[14:12]
ozbot	[CounterParty] IPO announcement. Mimex - UK bitcoin exchange	[14:12]
mircea_popescu	also it makes sense to limit investment to rich people. because poor people are stupid, and their stupidity hurts the market, not just themselves.	[14:12]
fluffypony	that broke my brain	[14:12]
Naphex	how is .io better for google rankings?	[14:12]
Naphex	wtf	[14:12]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony no actually i'd say it's exactly right for forum learning.	[14:12]
bounce	the sec one wanting whateveritwas from mpex	[14:13]
mircea_popescu	bounce oh, her. that's too soon really, they're still working on having what i said translated.	[14:13]
fluffypony	Naphex: because with the flood of new TLDs Google apparently cares about your tld	[14:13]
fluffypony	lol	[14:13]
mircea_popescu	GEORGE: I don’t get art.	[14:14]
mircea_popescu	JERRY: There’s nothing to get.	[14:14]
mircea_popescu	GEORGE: Well, it always has to be explained to me, and then I have to have someone explain the explanation....	[14:14]
bounce	where "working on it" means "stored it on the bottom of a drawer in a disused cabinet"	[14:14]
mircea_popescu	not quite.	[14:14]
bounce	how many years then?	[14:15]
mircea_popescu	obviously they're making it just enough of a not-priority so as to miss out, that's part and parcel of how governments work.	[14:15]
mircea_popescu	maybe a coupla ?	[14:15]
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mircea_popescu	bounce but srsly, what don't you like about the sec release ?	[14:22]
mircea_popescu	i thought it was pretty sensible.	[14:22]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 50 @ 0.041 = 2.05 BTC [-]	[14:28]
bounce	oh I dunno. scanned it and didn't see much of anything except all the well-known things they don't like summed up. now I read the whole thing and indeed, little substance. though I suppose that there's still plenty people out there that haven't put the should-be-obvious things together.	[14:28]
bounce	and there's the usual "h4xx0rz" mention. thanks so much to the hatted security gangs for that bit of damage.	[14:29]
mircea_popescu	well yes. those aren't intended to be bleeding edge,	[14:30]
mircea_popescu	they're the "no child left behind" minimal bar.	[14:30]
mircea_popescu	and i wouldn't worry too much for the entire haxxorz bullshit. we're pretty much in place by now, if it ever becomes pol;itically expedient or economically productive to do so, the entire obsolete fiat industry can be fully interdicted with little cost and little effort.	[14:31]
mircea_popescu	then gl arguing about the "hackers" "threatening" "bitcoin" when no fiat bank can do anything since last year.	[14:32]
bounce	the abuse of terminology still grates.	[14:33]
mircea_popescu	when any company wishing to transact discovers that any single attgempt to use a fiat system results in a failed transaction and a mountain of paperwork, whereas their competitors are getting through just fine via bitcoin, nothing is optional anymore.	[14:33]
mircea_popescu	they either submit or file for bankruptcy.	[14:33]
mircea_popescu	obviously if they wait to submit for that point they will also be taxed, for their stupidity, but hey. fair is fair, suck the cock early on, enthusiastically, or else be bloodied by it later.	[14:34]
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Naphex	mircea_popescu: until then guys still want too impress girls with moneyz ;]	[14:38]
mircea_popescu	sure.	[14:39]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 13 @ 0.0425 = 0.5525 BTC [+]	[14:39]
Naphex	showing girls your btc wallet might not go as nicely as a pocket full of cash :))	[14:39]
mircea_popescu	but he who holds the field makes the rules, irrespective of which way the sheep baaa	[14:39]
Naphex	hehe	[14:40]
mircea_popescu	sau pe romaneste, turma merge in directia-n care vrea ciobanu', nu in directia-n care behaie oile.	[14:40]
mircea_popescu	ca ciobanu' are bita.	[14:40]
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fluffypony	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=462370.msg6602005#msg6602005	[14:49]
ozbot	[ActiveMining] Official Shareholder Discussion Thread [Moderated]	[14:49]
fluffypony	"Right after we made the the deal with eASIC, hashfast and cointerra came out with their 400 and 500 GH/s chips, after having eASIC run our RTL on their platform and for the minimum number of chips we had to purchase, we did not have enough pre-orders to cover the purchase due to hashfast and cointerra selling 17 Million in machines."	[14:49]
fluffypony	well, then.	[14:49]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[14:50]
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fluffypony	how much did they raise for that? 5k BTC?	[14:51]
fluffypony	"So the 5000+ BTC we crowdfunded to make a chip - turns out it wasn't enough to make a chip. Just enough to pay a nice salary for Ken and all his family for a few years. I'll be dumping my shares at whatever price I can get. Time to move on."	[14:51]
fluffypony	lol	[14:51]
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mircea_popescu	aww	[14:53]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 47 @ 0.0425 = 1.9975 BTC [+]	[14:53]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19166 @ 0.00088947 = 17.0476 BTC [+] {2}	[14:53]
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kakobrekla	you people keep breaking my toys :(	[15:12]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/what-happens-when-you-add-a-drop-of-sewage-to-a-bottle-of-fine-wine/	[15:13]
ozbot	What happens when you add a drop of sewage to a bottle of fine wine ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea	[15:13]
dub	jenkem?	[15:14]
mircea_popescu	lol shit i forgot about it	[15:16]
mircea_popescu	shoulda put a reference in there.	[15:16]
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fluffypony	http://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2014/05/07/as-wall-street-looks-to-copy-bitcoin-the-department-of-defense-studies-it-as-a-terrorist-threat/	[15:24]
ozbot	As Wall Street Looks to Copy Bitcoin, The Department of Defense Studies it as a â€œTerrorist Threatâ	[15:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34000 @ 0.00088304 = 30.0234 BTC [-] {2}	[15:24]
fluffypony	"In any event, Munger called Bitcoin “rat poison” (watch the interview here) and I found his choice of words quite telling. After all, rat poison is used to eliminate dangerous and unsanitary pests, namely rodents. So if Bitcoin is “rat poison,” who are the rats? I’d say the financial system itself. So if Bitcoin is the poison to eliminate the hopelessly corrupt and parasitic financial system I have to agree with Munger. Bitcoin is indee	[15:24]
fluffypony	rat poison."	[15:24]
mircea_popescu	it is rat poison.	[15:25]
mircea_popescu	guess who's the rat.	[15:25]
mircea_popescu	a hey. dja know the author ?	[15:25]
fluffypony	no, was linked on reddit	[15:26]
mircea_popescu	ah. well, he has a point :)	[15:26]
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fluffypony	"For those of you unaware, Munger is Warren Buffett’s right hand man, and he made headlines in 2012 when he stated only Jews in Nazi Germany before being thrown on a train to a concentration camp have any reason to buy gold"	[15:27]
fluffypony	LOL	[15:27]
fluffypony	I missed that line	[15:27]
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mircea_popescu	eh, the guy made headlines plenty of time, and i don't recall that bs	[15:30]
mircea_popescu	the writer must be reading bottled farts.	[15:30]
mircea_popescu	!up haos	[15:30]
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HeySteve	Munger said that ages ago though, it's from the same session where Gates called it a "technological tour de force"	[15:45]
HeySteve	CCN or Bloomberg... not sure why Reddit dredged that quote up after ... 6 months at least	[15:45]
fluffypony	HeySteve: the blog post is from yesterday though	[15:46]
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HeySteve	yeah, apparently they're studying virtual reality and other innocuous things for terrism too	[15:47]
mircea_popescu	HeySteve takes a while for people to digest stuff.	[15:47]
HeySteve	seems they've gone paranoid	[15:47]
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jurov	pankkake: source about panama fund non-existing?	[15:54]
fluffypony	jurov: I found it	[15:55]
fluffypony	lemme get link	[15:55]
fluffypony	jurov: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339417.msg5653556#msg5653556	[15:56]
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mircea_popescu	https://bitcointa.lk/threads/financial-reporting-for-securities.108442/#post-1996855	[15:58]
ozbot	Financial Reporting for Securities \| Bitcointa.lk	[15:58]
mircea_popescu	one year aniversary	[15:58]
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jurov	hm why bitcointa.lk won't show post dates?	[16:00]
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mircea_popescu	"MPOE-PR, May 11, 2013" ?	[16:00]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30125 @ 0.00088301 = 26.6007 BTC [-]	[16:07]
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jurov	oh i see	[16:10]
jurov	fluffypony: thx	[16:10]
jurov	Russian Bitcoin Exchange s-BTC.com launch IPO on BitcoinBourse.eu	[16:13]
jurov	and also GRC:	[16:13]
jurov	Gaming Royalty Corp provides working capital for Mobile Game Software	[16:13]
jurov	Developers worldwide that have BtC enabled features. GRC provides	[16:13]
jurov	capital for new game development on an exclusive title & platform	[16:13]
jurov	basis. GRC enters into Royalty Contracts from the Mobile Gaming	[16:13]
jurov	Companies by title or platform that guarantee fixed returns of 2x ~ 4x	[16:13]
jurov	of the invested amount over two to five year terms.	[16:13]
jurov	totally legit	[16:13]
fluffypony	lol	[16:14]
fluffypony	but it's guaranteed, jurov!	[16:14]
mircea_popescu	guaranteedly.	[16:15]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10375 @ 0.00088301 = 9.1612 BTC [-]	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	who was asking about why qualify investors earlier ?	[16:26]
mircea_popescu	"Millions will be encouraged to dump Monsanto stock this coming Friday, May 9th, to give a clear message to the biotech industry that we don’t support them at all."	[16:26]
mircea_popescu	because you don't need this sort of shit, that's why.	[16:26]
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fluffypony	protesting 2.0	[16:27]
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pankkake	jurov: not sure why you asked me, it's not my claim	[16:29]
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fluffypony	pankkake: you are a wizard that knows all	[16:36]
pankkake	if only	[16:36]
pankkake	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=600524.0	[16:36]
ozbot	WTS 500 plus shares of AsicMiner	[16:36]
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kakobrekla	bitstamp fixed their scam by not fixing it; https://www.bitstamp.net/article/bitstamp-minimum-trade-changing-to-5/	[17:00]
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assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0008523 / 0.00087468 / 0.00089049 (990557 shares, 866.42 BTC), 7D: 0.00083786 / 0.00089027 / 0.00097641 (4768259 shares, 4,245.05 BTC), 30D: 0.00083786 / 0.0009506 / 0.00101 (20321475 shares, 19,317.68 BTC)	[17:35]
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asciilifeform	from the loltron:	[17:37]
asciilifeform	http://cryptome.org/2014/05/mathew-goldstein.pdf	[17:37]
fluffypony	assbot: hah hah - he tailgated into the Whitehouse?	[17:40]
fluffypony	asciilifeform even	[17:40]
BingoBoingo	http://deadspin.com/a-goddamned-dinosaur-threw-out-the-first-pitch-at-the-p-1573135172	[17:46]
ozbot	A Goddamned Dinosaur Threw Out The First Pitch At The Padres Game	[17:46]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.041 = 0.205 BTC [-]	[17:58]
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thestringpuller	lol fluffypony is on dat provigil	[18:10]
thestringpuller	never sleeps	[18:10]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.0008826 = 13.592 BTC [-] {2}	[18:12]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.041 = 0.41 BTC [-]	[18:14]
fluffypony	thestringpuller: I'm UCT +2, so I'm normally asleep when all the cool stuff happens :)	[18:15]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00088258 = 9.1788 BTC [-]	[18:22]
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BingoBoingo	The thing about -assets is that eventually the irregularity and unpredictability of when interesting things happens messes with everyone's sleep cycle	[18:30]
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fluffypony	BingoBoingo: tell me about it	[18:35]
fluffypony	been pulling lots of 2am nights recently	[18:35]
fluffypony	I blame -assets	[18:35]
BingoBoingo	fluffypony: I'll let you experience it. This is just the beginning for you.	[18:35]
pankkake	!jd mpif	[18:36]
assbot	Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 163.97850636 BTC; -0.04374053 BTC (-0.0267%) since last check 16h 10m 44s ago.	[18:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0731 = 0.5117 BTC [+]	[18:36]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.041 = 0.41 BTC [-]	[18:44]
BingoBoingo	%book	[18:48]
atcbot	75k@235 25k@234 0k@230 \| 8k@195 90k@156 10k@155	[18:48]
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BingoBoingo	http://crazyrxman.blogspot.com/2014/04/its-april-fools-day.html	[18:54]
ozbot	Crazy RxMan: It's April Fools Day	[18:54]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.71286496 BTC to 8`632 shares, 31428 satoshi per share	[19:00]
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benkay	what'd i miss, BingoBoingo	[19:01]
BingoBoingo	benkay: Oh, not too much. Freenode getting a touch of DDoS it seems	[19:02]
Apocalyptic	reddit summed up	[19:06]
Apocalyptic	It is strange how pretty much the only thing that gets upvoted is asinine jokes.	[19:06]
Apocalyptic	And everything insightful I write lingers with like 5 upvotes.	[19:06]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.00605 = 0.1513 BTC [-] {2}	[19:06]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.041 = 0.205 BTC [-]	[19:07]
fluffypony	lol	[19:08]
fluffypony	true	[19:08]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.07415367 = 0.8898 BTC [+] {2}	[19:10]
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benkay	benkay: Using the word broad is how we know you like them older << no that's how i describe the older ones	[19:11]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.07485653 = 1.048 BTC [+] {3}	[19:12]
BingoBoingo	benkay: Maybe it's a regional thing. Or these damned pills.	[19:12]
benkay	fluffypony: aliyun? my dreams of bringing the cloud to asia have been crushed.	[19:12]
fluffypony	benkay: it's a sad day for all Asientrepreneurs	[19:13]
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BingoBoingo	Eh, the cloud, CDN's, et all can burn in hell	[19:13]
benkay	BingoBoingo: gtfo	[19:14]
benkay	every tool has a time and a place.	[19:14]
BingoBoingo	benkay: Sure, at the right time and place Orchiectomy can be a valuable lifesaving procedure, but it is something the sane would never undergo electively.	[19:15]
benkay	dude	[19:17]
benkay	you don't even build bridges	[19:17]
BingoBoingo	Well. I make the occasional wharf	[19:18]
Apocalyptic	the clould always sounded to me like first class BS	[19:18]
asciilifeform	there is no 'cloud.' only - other people's hard disks.	[19:18]
Apocalyptic	^	[19:18]
benkay	don't be talkin to me about 4140 vs 1018	[19:19]
benkay	sometimes renting other people's hard disks is fine and cloud is shorthand for virtual butts argh do argh you pedantic dinosaurs argh	[19:19]
TomServo	I had a former employer that was/is trying to enter the 'cloud backup' market. With a single DC and SAN... I think he missed the point.	[19:19]
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asciilifeform	4140 vs 1018 << hastelloy please.	[19:20]
benkay	hastelloy << how much does hastelloy cost?	[19:21]
asciilifeform	more. but it's neat.	[19:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00088258 = 11.8266 BTC [-]	[19:22]
asciilifeform	to continue with metallurgical analogy, 'cloud' is... zamac.	[19:22]
*	BingoBoingo remembers designing and building an actual bridge as a sort of final project in the Boy Scouts	[19:23]
Naphex	sup	[19:24]
Naphex	;o	[19:24]
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*	BingoBoingo chose telephone poles as the structural elements	[19:25]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48661996 BTC [+]	[19:25]
benkay	i have a neat little aluminum bicycle.	[19:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 230 @ 0.041 = 9.43 BTC [-]	[19:28]
benkay	(it's little because i am as well)	[19:28]
benkay	its weight and stiffness are rather impressive.	[19:28]
benkay	but i wouldn't build a bridge out of Al.	[19:28]
benkay	or zamac.	[19:28]
asciilifeform	i never even knew of zamac until i had a... corkscrew break in half.	[19:29]
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BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: That is the worst	[19:29]
Apocalyptic	but i wouldn't build a bridge out of Al. // some people did	[19:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03290016 = 0.1974 BTC [-] {2}	[19:30]
benkay	who cares how the herps derp	[19:31]
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mike_c	lol, BingoBoingo, i too built an actual bridge in boy scouts. good times.	[19:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34700 @ 0.00088191 = 30.6023 BTC [-] {2}	[19:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5408 @ 0.00087971 = 4.7575 BTC [-]	[19:37]
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benkay	%h	[19:38]
atcbot	%t \| %ticker \| %book \| %diff \| %tx \| %bal \| %mined \| %block \| %lb \| %tslb \| %cm \| %ptp \| %help \| %h	[19:38]
benkay	%t	[19:38]
atcbot	[X-BT] Bid: 195 Ask: 230 Last Price: 195 24h-Vol: 0k High: 0 Low: 0 VWAP: 0	[19:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 15 @ 0.041 = 0.615 BTC [-]	[19:38]
benkay	hey mod6 can i convince you to load atcbot into #pdxtech-btc	[19:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.07246664 = 7.2467 BTC [-] {6}	[19:39]
fluffypony	lol SymStep:	[19:41]
fluffypony	"@fluffypony: When you have been here long enough you do learn that not many people with long experience in bitcoin care about WoT and most people who do turn out to be scammers are very happy to be part of Wot. Biggest scammers usually have been here for very long time planning and making trust from others."	[19:41]
BingoBoingo	mike_c: Was your engineering more sophisticated than "lay telephones poles parallel and cover with boards"?	[19:42]
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mike_c	hell yeah. we used fallen trees.	[19:42]
mike_c	and rebar'd them together.	[19:42]
mike_c	muy complicated	[19:42]
mod6	benkay: yeah, I think we can manage that. pm me.	[19:42]
thestringpuller	benkay, i roll my j tight, i know what they like	[19:43]
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mike_c	i don't keep up much on havelol, just found out they've been running in the red the last few months!	[19:45]
BingoBoingo	Orly	[19:45]
mike_c	i don't see any reason that would turn around.	[19:45]
mike_c	http://i.imgur.com/fgMnuwo.png	[19:45]
mike_c	if anybody else missed it	[19:45]
kakobrekla	;;later tell artifexd should be fixed nao.	[19:46]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[19:46]
artifexd	kakobrekla: Confirmed.	[19:47]
artifexd	Speaking of bitbet, is there a way to get search results in json?	[19:48]
kakobrekla	i dun think so	[19:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0329 = 0.329 BTC [-] {3}	[19:48]
artifexd	May I have one?	[19:48]
mike_c	um, everyone, nice knowing you. i'm off to my private island.	[19:49]
mike_c	http://i.imgur.com/oDRuMjF.png	[19:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07202012 = 0.7202 BTC [-] {2}	[19:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.041 = 0.41 BTC [-]	[19:49]
pankkake	did you use IPoT?	[19:49]
asciilifeform	runaway decimal point?	[19:50]
mod6	heh, JSON api = new bitbetbot?	[19:50]
artifexd	mod6: Shhhhh	[19:50]
mod6	haha	[19:50]
Apocalyptic	dat price	[19:51]
mike_c	kakobrekla: stats page in json still somewhere in your todo list?	[19:51]
kakobrekla	mike_c today	[19:51]
mike_c	ah, nice	[19:51]
mike_c	for the record, https://justcoin.com/ is responsible for the retarded BTC price on bitcoinaverage	[19:53]
mike_c	scandinavia's first best greatest btc exchange	[19:53]
kakobrekla	artifexd you know you can parse all the bets in json yourself	[19:53]
kakobrekla	so searchin those shouldnt be a problem	[19:53]
fluffypony	mike_c: "Last price 322 998 BTC/EUR 2 650 BTC/NOK 446 BTC/USD"	[19:54]
fluffypony	only the Europeans are lucky on JustCoin	[19:54]
fluffypony	everyone else is unfortunate	[19:54]
artifexd	Sure. I can walk from 1 to error and store those. I was looking to offload my workload on you though.	[19:54]
mike_c	skipping 128 ;)	[19:54]
Naphex	http://www.bitcoincharts.com/markets/btcxchangeRON_depth.html	[19:55]
ozbot	Bitcoin Charts / Markets / btcxchangeRON	[19:55]
mike_c	the lost bitbet. http://bitbet.us/bet/128/	[19:55]
fluffypony	they are borked: http://www.cryptocoincharts.info/orderbook.php?pair=btc-eur&market=justcoin	[19:56]
fluffypony	I think they're trying to switch to bits or something equally stupid	[19:56]
mike_c	maybe scandanavians just really like btc. it's the new china.	[19:56]
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fluffypony	the spread's only 9,950.000 EUR	[19:57]
fluffypony	dat arbitrage	[19:57]
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thestringpuller	mike_c: what's the action	[19:59]
thestringpuller	you are the new Bugpowder	[19:59]
thestringpuller	;;last seen	[19:59]
gribble	(last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} ] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message (1 more message)	[19:59]
thestringpuller	;;last Bugpowder	[20:00]
gribble	(last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} ] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message (1 more message)	[20:00]
thestringpuller	;;seen Bugpowder	[20:00]
gribble	Bugpowder was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 8 weeks, 6 days, 14 hours, 36 minutes, and 48 seconds ago: Whee... http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/profile/SatoshiNakamoto	[20:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 27 @ 0.03271854 = 0.8834 BTC [-] {3}	[20:03]
benkay	%t	[20:05]
atcbot	[X-BT] Bid: 195 Ask: 230 Last Price: 195 24h-Vol: 0k High: 0 Low: 0 VWAP: 0	[20:05]
TomServo	.d	[20:05]
ozbot	8.001 billion \| Next Diff in 646 blocks \| Estimated Change: 8.5841% in 4d 2h 9m 13s	[20:05]
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benkay	24 hr metrics broken, mod6 ?	[20:05]
thestringpuller	hustle that ATC	[20:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12550 @ 0.00088215 = 11.071 BTC [+]	[20:08]
BingoBoingo	Might have been 24+ hours without a trade	[20:09]
Apocalyptic	the market is just dead	[20:10]
Apocalyptic	mod6, seen, that's why 0 as high/low/vwap is misleading	[20:11]
pankkake	%book	[20:11]
Apocalyptic	and why i chose to return n/a instead	[20:11]
atcbot	75k@235 25k@234 0k@230 \| 8k@195 90k@156 10k@155	[20:11]
pankkake	%diff	[20:11]
atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 455357.13 Est. Next Diff: 144827.55 in 1417 blocks (#32256) Est. % Change: -68.19	[20:11]
Apocalyptic	pankkake, ATC needs your miners !	[20:11]
pankkake	I got one block in like two weeks	[20:12]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 20 @ 0.07180046 = 1.436 BTC [+] {10}	[20:14]
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mike_c	thestringpuller: the action? not following you.	[20:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8270 @ 0.00088001 = 7.2777 BTC [-] {2}	[20:23]
benkay	;;gettrust princessnell	[20:27]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user princessnell: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=princessnell \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=princessnell \| Rated since: never	[20:27]
kakobrekla	artifexd if it makes you feel any better theres no req limit on the api	[20:28]
artifexd	Eh. I was just trying to avoid having to maintain state.	[20:29]
mod6	Apocalyptic: ok, im about to test out a fix for that.	[20:31]
mod6	this look better? [X-BT] Bid: 195 Ask: 230 Last Price: 195 24h-Vol: 0k High: N/A Low: N/A VWAP: N/A	[20:32]
kakobrekla	artifexd myea alright i see what i can do	[20:35]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 28 @ 0.041 = 1.148 BTC [-]	[20:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40570 @ 0.00088035 = 35.7158 BTC [+] {3}	[20:44]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31051 @ 0.00087905 = 27.2954 BTC [-]	[20:55]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.074 = 1.48 BTC [-]	[20:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.46499995 = 2.325 BTC [-] {4}	[20:59]
benkay	lol cats: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-Sbt345jkk	[21:01]
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BingoBoingo	Damn, cats	[21:02]
pankkake	French cats!	[21:04]
Apocalyptic	[19:32:31] this look better? [X-BT] Bid: 195 Ask: 230 Last Price: 195 24h-Vol: 0k High: N/A Low: N/A VWAP: N/A // yes	[21:04]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13942 @ 0.00088101 = 12.283 BTC [+]	[21:05]
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mod6	ok i'll merge that in then Apocalyptic thanks	[21:07]
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mod6	ok merged, but will leave in the incubator until there is at least 1 trade so can ensure that I didn't break normal functionallity.	[21:13]
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mod6	ok seems to be working	[21:18]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.46020052 = 2.301 BTC [-] {3}	[21:21]
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mod6	%tslb	[21:22]
atcbot	1 hour 34 minutes and 42 seconds	[21:22]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 25 @ 0.041 = 1.025 BTC [-]	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	trilema commenter sez, "I used to be more than happy to find this internet"	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	http://www.worldtribune.com/2014/05/07/report-50-injured-blast-iran-nuke-site-storage-facility/	[21:28]
ozbot	Huge blast reported near secret Iran nuclear site; City of Qazvin closed - World Tribune \| Worl	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	"Bitstamp’s accounting system rounds trading fees to pennies. To greatly reduce the impact of this rounding for our clients the minimum trade amount is being raised to $5.00." ahahaha	[21:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 49 @ 0.041 = 2.009 BTC [-]	[21:33]
kakobrekla	the private statement to me 2 years ago was they are working on new trading engine btw.	[21:36]
mike_c	too busy buying lambos	[21:37]
kakobrekla	teslas actually.	[21:37]
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mircea_popescu	la-la-la-bimbo!	[21:37]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.0747 = 0.5976 BTC [+]	[21:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 56 @ 0.041 = 2.296 BTC [-]	[21:38]
mircea_popescu	And everything insightful I write lingers with like 5 upvotes. << truely summed up. especially the part where some random self-absorbed nobody is whining about how the world isn't more impressed with them	[21:40]
mircea_popescu	by the way, the last bond auction was a slaughter. yield ended up 3.44% (up from issuance), and the dealers kinda smelled of panic.	[21:41]
mike_c	t-bonds??	[21:42]
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mircea_popescu	Scott Skyrm If 5 years of near 0% interest rates isn't sufficiently helping the housing market, then maybe the problem lies elsewhere	[21:45]
mircea_popescu	Mircea Popescu You know, plenty of corpses have been keeping very strict diets, doesn't seem to have improved their health.	[21:45]
davout	mike_c: what happened with justcoin?	[21:45]
mircea_popescu	mike_c yes 30 year ts	[21:45]
mike_c	davout: dunno what the bug was, but they were reporting a btc price 1000x too high and it hosed bitcoinaverage.com	[21:46]
davout	maybe kakobrekla fixed the wrong API	[21:46]
mike_c	lol	[21:46]
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mircea_popescu	there is no 'cloud.' only - other people's hard disks. << you have to appreciate the infantile worldview. there is no "my house" as far as teenagers go, just the place other people pay the mortgage on. nevertheless...	[21:49]
mircea_popescu	http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/05/report-journalists-are-miserable-over-educated-under-paid-middle-aged-men-mostly/361891/	[21:49]
ozbot	Report: Journalists Are Miserable, Liberal, Over-Educated, Under-Paid, Middle-Aged Men - Derek Thomp	[21:49]
mircea_popescu	turns out working for the bureaucracy sucks these days. whoi could have guessed.	[21:49]
mircea_popescu	but i wouldn't build a bridge out of Al. // some people did << duraluminum. not a bad choice, esp if your bridge is to submerge.	[21:50]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony> "@fluffypony: When you have been here long enough you do learn that << who's the clueless fuckwit ?	[21:50]
benkay	just the place other people pay the mortgage on	[21:51]
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benkay	!up frank1e	[21:51]
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mircea_popescu	i don't keep up much on havelol, just found out they've been running in the red the last few months! << did they publish this ?	[21:52]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: the guys that said they'd been around for so long they even knew about Namworld's scammingz	[21:52]
fluffypony	SymStep	[21:52]
fluffypony	here's my reply: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=551698.msg6615774#msg6615774	[21:52]
mircea_popescu	lol which namworld scammings are those ?	[21:52]
mike_c	sorta. they released their quarterly report to shareholders only and some guy republished it	[21:52]
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mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-economics/#comment-99655 << here's a good bit of history re namworld, which got dug up by a different convo recently.	[21:52]
ozbot	A complete theory of economics pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[21:52]
mircea_popescu	i dun think the guy's scamming anyone.	[21:53]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: they were trying to be clever and demonstrate their knowledge of the sub-culture because they're "been around" for so long	[21:53]
fluffypony	Namworld's reply to them was "I mean among so many outright scams to choose for, that you mention me being late on repayment on loan repayment based on a single post in the middle of a thread."	[21:53]
mircea_popescu	in other news, i've been around long enough to know him as namjies. which is what your noob'd know him as too, if he actually HAD been around for as long as he claims.	[21:53]
mircea_popescu	which is why things such as got milk are so motherfucking important	[21:53]
mike_c	havelol quarterly report (gdocs not my fault): https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxnW49twNMNbX0tic1N6VVpaV28/edit?pli=1	[21:53]
mircea_popescu	we can tell the dragons from the pretentious bats quite readily, because of such small little barbs on yggdrasil.	[21:54]
midnightmagic	mikaeldice mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mius mixdio	[21:54]
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mircea_popescu	mike_c a yes that. turns out i been behind on my lolreports. was busy lately	[21:54]
mike_c	life is too short for staying up to date on HIF.	[21:55]
Apocalyptic	^	[21:55]
Apocalyptic	on * havelock stock	[21:55]
mircea_popescu	well it's better than monthy python re-runs	[21:56]
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mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/oDRuMjF.png << o look, there's a price signal!	[21:58]
mike_c	quick, excercise your calls	[21:58]
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mircea_popescu	the lost bitbet. http://bitbet.us/bet/128/ << that's the checksum bitbet.	[21:59]
mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic> and why i chose to return n/a instead << good call.	[21:59]
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mircea_popescu	;;later tell thickasthieves http://trilema.com/2014/what-happens-when-you-add-a-drop-of-sewage-to-a-bottle-of-fine-wine/#comment-99670 see, why can't you be more like her!	[22:00]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[22:00]
mircea_popescu	Subject: Inside Bitcoins Tel-Aviv	[22:01]
mircea_popescu	From: "Nimrod Nimi Gruber"	[22:01]
mircea_popescu	I would like to offer you to sponsor a big International conference produced by Mediabistro on July 28-29 at the Hilton Tel-Aviv hotel. The event will attract between 500 to 1500 attendees from all over the world and is the biggest and most professional in its field. If you can refer me to the right person so i can send him all the details it would be great!	[22:01]
mircea_popescu	Thank you so much, Nimrod Gruber Inside Bitcoins Tel-Aviv Skype: nimrodg41 Cell: +972-52-4442838	[22:01]
mircea_popescu	dudes just email me now asking for shit. because why the fuck not.	[22:02]
mircea_popescu	anyone know this nimrod ?	[22:02]
mod6	haha	[22:04]
BingoBoingo	I'm going to guess Jewish. Prolly knows or knows of Meni Rosenfeld	[22:04]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo to me it sounds like it's a made up name, srsly.	[22:05]
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BingoBoingo	Sounds so made up it might have to be real.	[22:06]
mircea_popescu	hm that's a point.	[22:06]
mod6	guess this guy is on fb: https://he-il.facebook.com/nimiG	[22:06]
mod6	could be a fake account i guess.	[22:06]
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mircea_popescu	mod6 o look at that. porsche just rang my doorbell. they're the most professional carmaker, cold calling door to door.	[22:07]
mircea_popescu	i bought a lawnmower and three toothbrushes.	[22:07]
BingoBoingo	http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/05/08/sign_a_pdf_with_mac_os_x_s_preview_application.html	[22:07]
ozbot	Sign a PDF with Mac OS X’s Preview application.	[22:07]
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benkay	biggest and most professional!	[22:11]
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fluffypony	benkay: all that's missing is the "EVER"!	[22:15]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony btw are you ignoring my q re vertcoin or just didn't see it ?	[22:15]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: which one?	[22:15]
fluffypony	oh wait	[22:15]
fluffypony	assbot was off	[22:15]
fluffypony	so I think my replies weren't logged	[22:16]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11334 @ 0.00088094 = 9.9846 BTC [+]	[22:16]
mircea_popescu	ouch	[22:16]
mircea_popescu	but no cause i was idling or not	[22:16]
fluffypony	lemme pull up my logs	[22:16]
mircea_popescu	danke	[22:16]
mircea_popescu	so in this twiotter discussion about whores and politicians, it occured to me : wouldn't iot be great if some state, like say nevada, limited political office to whores only for a decade ?	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	just to see what happens.	[22:17]
fluffypony	oh it did get logged	[22:17]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-05-2014#665705	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony no argument, yeah. but, you basically committed to the thing ? or what's the plan there ?	[22:18]
pankkake	http://www.parti-du-plaisir.com/ their ideas are dumb as fuck though	[22:18]
ozbot	Cindy Lee \| Parti du Plaisir \| Parti du Plaisir	[22:18]
mircea_popescu	pankkake yeah because of this meta- and pretense bs. they can't make a whore party, they gotta make a pretend-whore sorta-like party except stupid.	[22:18]
mircea_popescu	it's despicable.	[22:18]
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mircea_popescu	dude, make the whore party the whore party. to be accepted you gotta have the clap.	[22:19]
benkay	ew	[22:19]
mircea_popescu	no.	[22:19]
mircea_popescu	no fucking ew. lick the smelly spot beotch.	[22:19]
benkay	i ain't your whore.	[22:20]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: yes - we structured it as: I own 50%, Peter owns 50%, we've diluted our shareholding (equally) for the IPO. he does all the work, I operate as chairman of the board (which currently consists of me and me alone, that will change later)	[22:20]
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davout	pankkake: ty, my voter's card will finally be of some use	[22:21]
fluffypony	by "all the work" I mean management, not actual work :-P	[22:21]
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pankkake	I don't you will be able to vote for them	[22:21]
pankkake	didn't even look up what's coming for EU elections	[22:22]
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BingoBoingo	On that note I'll be headed back to the doctor soon. If I don't reappear within a few hours start praying for my testicles.	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	benkay ok you can spray disinfectant first o.O	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony for vertcoin this ?	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo you had three anyway right ?	[22:23]
bounce	so, you have a company that... has a chairman and a middle manager and that's it?	[22:23]
pankkake	"Cannabis sans frontières — Stop la prohibition" eh, maybe I'll vote after all	[22:23]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: initially, it's architected for other coins, so they'll be added as time progresses	[22:23]
fluffypony	bounce: no	[22:24]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Who really knows at this point?	[22:24]
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benkay	light stinging on the cunt, eh? i'm a little more interested but it's STILL FILTHY.	[22:24]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony i see. okay.	[22:25]
davout	pankkake: lol, you junkie	[22:26]
pankkake	I don't even do drugs	[22:26]
davout	well then you're a sneaky bastard, wanting to legalize them so others are slower so you have some edge on them	[22:26]
mircea_popescu	he's just angsty :D	[22:26]
mircea_popescu	benkay filth is good for you.	[22:27]
mircea_popescu	do you know carlin's piece ?	[22:27]
BingoBoingo	davout: That's kind of my position on the issue	[22:27]
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mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic you consider adding the vertcoin thing ? or not doing scrypt coins ?	[22:30]
pankkake	last time I voted, it was for https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolas_Miguet	[22:30]
mircea_popescu	"Il est le fondateur et le président du parti politique Rassemblement des contribuables français (RCF) et a été élu conseiller municipal de Verneuil-sur-Avre en 1989 et en 1995."	[22:30]
mircea_popescu	lol ok. pankkake voted for the old man's "GET OFF MY LAWN" party.	[22:31]
pankkake	not really. it's the "taxes are bad" party, but he's nothing (there are actual taxpayers associations, with actual members)	[22:31]
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pankkake	the old man party is Chasse, Pèche Nature et Traditions (hunting, fishing, nature and traditions)	[22:32]
mircea_popescu	Qu'est-ce que cette "voyoucratie patronale" ?	[22:32]
pankkake	voyou = bad guy, so "ceo badguycracy"	[22:33]
pankkake	hard to translate something that has little sense	[22:34]
mircea_popescu	aha	[22:34]
mircea_popescu	failed to parse for me too, i brieflythought he is fighting the tendency of ceo types to buy telescopes to spy into the bedrooms and showers of lonely milfs.	[22:34]
pankkake	ahah, voyeur	[22:35]
pankkake	he's definitively a shady guy	[22:35]
davout	pankkake: "Pèche"	[22:35]
mircea_popescu	how do you say sin ?	[22:35]
davout	that's the way you say it :-)	[22:35]
mircea_popescu	lolk	[22:35]
pankkake	Pêche :\|	[22:35]
davout	fishing is Pêche	[22:36]
davout	also peach	[22:36]
pankkake	Péché is Sin	[22:36]
davout	pèche is "to sin"	[22:36]
mircea_popescu	not has sinned ?	[22:36]
mircea_popescu	pècher to sin	[22:36]
davout	"il pèche" -> "he sins"	[22:36]
davout	no, "pécher"	[22:37]
mircea_popescu	and with that the catholicisme francais class is dismissed.	[22:37]
davout	XD	[22:37]
davout	français, please	[22:37]
mircea_popescu	i don't believe in shitting on the character set.	[22:37]
davout	our c's are manly	[22:38]
mircea_popescu	çharaçter set ıf you prefer.	[22:38]
davout	this burns my eyes	[22:38]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: the infantile worldview. there is no "my house" as far as teenagers go, just the place other people pay the mortgage on << i still think we're dealing with 'poverty of the spirit, not the flesh.' people fall for the 'cloud' crapola out of... sloth. don't wanna buy a disk, i'll use this stranger's. don't wanna find toilet, i'll shit where i stand. etc	[22:39]
pankkake	hēhëhě	[22:39]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform perhaps. hard to find out what goes on in the mind of the bovine.	[22:39]
davout	prions	[22:40]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: the bovine will go where the herder points. the sad part is all the folks who ought to know better.	[22:40]
mircea_popescu	davout do you know what's the last thing going through a fly's head as it crashes on the windshield ?	[22:40]
asciilifeform	its thorax.	[22:40]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform as a romanian exercise, translate http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-05-2014#665780 ?	[22:41]
mod6	asciilifeform: haha	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform hehe exactly. or w/e, its head.	[22:41]
davout	mircea_popescu: known but good	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell namworld https://bitcointa.lk/threads/pre-ipo-symmetric-step-trading.292080/page-4#post-6205001 we lolled.	[22:42]
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asciilifeform	flock goes where shepherd points, not where sheep brays ?	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	exactly.	[22:42]
asciilifeform	fucked that one up didnt i	[22:42]
asciilifeform	ah ok	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	the flock goes the way the shepherd wants, not the way the sheeps bray.	[22:42]
benkay	there are miles between sloth and knowing one's speciality, asciilifeform.	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony https://bitcointa.lk/threads/pre-ipo-symmetric-step-trading.292080/page-4#post-6318694 make that 2011 to really bother him. i don't think ANYONE from 2011 or prior isn't in the wot tbh.	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	http://www.aei-ideas.org/2014/04/creative-destruction-2013-newspaper-ad-revenue-continued-its-precipitous-free-fall-and-its-probably-not-over-yet/	[22:45]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: yeah they live in a little world of delusion. idiots.	[22:46]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: re: the fly: old joke - 'Штирлицу выстрелили в голову. "Разрывная"- подумал он пораскинув мозгами.'	[22:47]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform brains what ?	[22:48]
benkay	anecdotally, a client in the political business tells me that web advertising budgets are just touching 10% of the overall campaign budget (the bulk of the remaining 90% is...television)	[22:48]
asciilifeform	(Stierlitz [film hero] gets shot in the head. 'it must be a dum-dum,' thought Stierlitz, racking his brains.'	[22:48]
mircea_popescu	lol	[22:49]
fluffypony	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=600628.0	[22:49]
pankkake	benkay: well, gotta target the dumb	[22:49]
ozbot	BitcoinBourse: the biggest scam in Bitcoin securities today	[22:49]
fluffypony	"if you were foolish enough to buy their very own "BBS" IPO shares at 0.1 BTC each you would have earned a whopping 0.00007138 BTC in dividends in 7 months. You can expect to recover your investment in about 9813 months (818 years) at the current average dividend. If you're particularly lucky and they hit their Nov 2013 dividend high every month you can expect to recover your investment in a mere 1676 months (140 years)."	[22:49]
fluffypony	l.o.l.	[22:49]
mircea_popescu	benkay television is not bad a venue for a) detergent b) politics.	[22:49]
pankkake	wait, I thought you were r-y-s, fluffypony	[22:49]
pankkake	anyway, no reason one would advertise on newspapers when there's the web. cheaper, stats, targetting, etc.	[22:50]
pankkake	nor any reason to read newspapers	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	pankkake old style, affluent, powerful people read newspapers. like moi.	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	except... joe blow politician prolly can't get in there anyway	[22:51]
pankkake	I thought their only sales left were retirement homes	[22:51]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: actual, dead-tree newspapers?	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform not as much as used to be the case, the craft is slowly dieing.	[22:52]
pankkake	and of course public libraries and other kinds of subsidy laundering	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	pankkake divers industry publications are still run as if it were 1970	[22:52]
fluffypony	pankkake: I'm proslimbs_inc	[22:53]
mircea_popescu	say the romanian central bank's thing or w/e.	[22:53]
fluffypony	although I see my Glorious Investment of IPO thread got deleted	[22:53]
pankkake	right, but I'm talking about generic newspapers about news	[22:53]
pankkake	specialized publication is far from dead, except perhaps the IT one	[22:53]
mircea_popescu	that's a joke.	[22:53]
bounce	that the thing with three warring sockpuppets?	[22:53]
fluffypony	bounce: yes	[22:53]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony wow so it was you ?	[22:53]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: pankkake asked me a few minutes after I posted it	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	linking to that trilema pic ?	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	i must have missed it	[22:54]
fluffypony	yeah I faked the BitcoinBourse listing as well	[22:54]
asciilifeform	u.s. trade mags grew thinner in the '90s, then 'fattened' again with ad crapola, like the proverbial swollen torso of the starving african.	[22:54]
fluffypony	twas a fun troll	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform only select trades tho. as he said, it trade mags are a joke	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	generally anything with a lot of marketing and advertising presence. retail stuff and so on.	[22:55]
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mircea_popescu	also in many non-english places. i used to read la nacion in cr.	[22:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 7 @ 0.041 = 0.287 BTC [-]	[22:56]
*	princessnell (d0b9aa4a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.185.170.74) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[22:59]
benkay	'lo princessnell	[23:00]
mircea_popescu	!up princesswell	[23:00]
assbot	Voicing princesswell for 30 minutes.	[23:00]
mircea_popescu	!up princessnell	[23:00]
assbot	Voicing princessnell for 30 minutes.	[23:00]
*	assbot gives voice to princessnell	[23:00]
TomServo	How do you folks imagine farming and BTC will interact?	[23:00]
mircea_popescu	TomServo farming what ? cows ? wows ?	[23:00]
princessnell	hiya	[23:00]
TomServo	Cows, agriculture.. the food supply basically	[23:01]
benkay	;;ident princessnell	[23:01]
gribble	Nick 'princessnell', with hostmask 'princessnell!d0b9aa4a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.185.170.74', is not identified.	[23:01]
benkay	i thought you had this sorted, pincess	[23:01]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37224 @ 0.00088144 = 32.8107 BTC [+] {2}	[23:01]
davout	from the bitstamp fee thread:	[23:01]
mircea_popescu	TomServo no idea.	[23:02]
davout	"tl;dr To some it might look like a hack, but it's a solid hack, so no complaints from me."	[23:02]
mircea_popescu	davout clearly he'd know.	[23:02]
davout	a minimum trade amount to hide the fact their engine still can't count, solid hack for sure	[23:03]
fluffypony	"FEC, in ruling 6-0, says Bitcoin contribs to pol committees will be treated as in-kind contributions--same as stocks, other items of value."	[23:03]
fluffypony	Bitcoin early adopters can now buy their very own politicain!	[23:03]
fluffypony	*politician	[23:03]
princessnell	i thought so too :-/	[23:03]
mircea_popescu	princessnell what's the snag ?	[23:03]
benkay	so first off is princessnell on the wot you?	[23:03]
benkay	;;gettrust princessnell	[23:03]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user princessnell: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=princessnell \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=princessnell \| Rated since: never	[23:03]
princessnell	benkay is kindly helping me figure it out	[23:03]
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TomServo	mircea_popescu: You, no idea?! I'm shocked.	[23:04]
bounce	pfft. money means not having to have your own ideas.	[23:05]
benkay	bounce: money means being able to put steel behind your ideas.	[23:06]
bounce	no, that's being a country	[23:06]
benkay	troll	[23:06]
mircea_popescu	http://pastebin.com/E2pKFuJS << log from before assbot logged	[23:07]
ozbot	Feb 06 20:13:15 http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/136012108784.jpg - Pastebin.com	[23:07]
bounce	tell it the potus	[23:07]
mircea_popescu	mar 2013	[23:07]
mircea_popescu	TomServo i don't have that many ideas, i just reuse a few.	[23:07]
mircea_popescu	!up chetty	[23:07]
assbot	Voicing chetty for 30 minutes.	[23:07]
*	assbot gives voice to chetty	[23:07]
chetty	TomServo, I have a friend in Mexico with a small farm, already using BTC to buy/sell locally	[23:07]
benkay	;;eauth benkay	[23:09]
gribble	Request successful for user benkay, hostmask benkay!~user@2600:4402:c002:3::854:fb5e. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/2AFA1A9FD2D031DA	[23:09]
davout	benkay: http://nakedcellist.org/	[23:09]
davout	i'll just leave this here	[23:09]
benkay	;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:fcb305dbacd9bdd66cdd9bad1d0db50c29c66d1ecf1d4853a00bd0c0	[23:10]
gribble	You are now authenticated for user benkay with key 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA	[23:10]
asciilifeform	re: potus, whores:	[23:10]
asciilifeform	;;google plumpy interns taking turns many wonderful returns	[23:11]
gribble	Ex-Googler Being Micromanaged \| Sergey's Crawler Fast as Light ...: ; THE GOOGLE STORY. DAVID A. VISE WITH MARK MALSEED ...: ; The Google Story \| Sotheavy Chea - Academia.edu:	[23:11]
benkay	right on davout	[23:11]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFtflcbcDF0	[23:14]
ozbot	Pizda Cu Motor By JeLLeU - YouTube	[23:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10150 @ 0.00088068 = 8.9389 BTC [-] {2}	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	http://publiceditor.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/05/08/warren-buffett-joe-nocera-and-fessing-up-to-readers/	[23:19]
benkay	;;ident princessnell	[23:20]
gribble	Nick 'princessnell', with hostmask 'princessnell!d0b9aa4a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.185.170.74', is identified as user 'princessnell', with GPG key id 460D29821C8956A4, key fingerprint 4CD44F67A64D9DFBD0E0E0CA460D29821C8956A4, and bitcoin address None	[23:20]
benkay	;;rate princessnell first princess of bitcoin	[23:20]
gribble	Error: 'first' is not a valid integer.	[23:20]
mircea_popescu	god help you if you live in a soviet revolutionary state and dare piss on the politburo's most recent taxidermy exhibit.	[23:20]
benkay	;;rate princessnell 1 first princess of bitcoin	[23:20]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user princessnell has been recorded.	[23:20]
benkay	;;gettrust assbot princessnell	[23:21]
gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask princessnell!d0b9aa4a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.185.170.74. Trust relationship from user assbot to user princessnell: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=princessnell \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=princessnell \| Rated since: Thu May 8 16:20:29 2014	[23:21]
mircea_popescu	i should bash the very valid gribble observation. "first" is indeed not a valid integer.	[23:21]
benkay	!down princessnell	[23:21]
*	assbot removes voice from princessnell	[23:21]
benkay	now up yourself, princessnell /msg assbot !up	[23:21]
*	assbot gives voice to princessnell	[23:21]
princessnell	woo! finally wotxcore	[23:21]
princessnell	thank you benkay	[23:22]
mircea_popescu	we accept women in the treefort now ?!	[23:22]
mircea_popescu	what is this, puberty ?	[23:23]
princessnell	there goes the neighborhood	[23:23]
princessnell	http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/05/08/federal-election-commission-approves-bitcoin-donations-to-political-committees/	[23:23]
ozbot	Federal Election Commission approves bitcoin donations to political committees	[23:23]
chetty	lmao, thats not new MP	[23:23]
davout	mircea_popescu: there are already a couple	[23:23]
benkay	trolled u all.	[23:23]
mircea_popescu	davout that's ok, women should be a couple.	[23:23]
davout	XD	[23:23]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.465 BTC [+]	[23:24]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 272 @ 0.041 = 11.152 BTC [-] {3}	[23:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42150 @ 0.00087711 = 36.9702 BTC [-]	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	o look at that, tsla trading 170s ?!	[23:25]
mike_c	panic sell!	[23:26]
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mircea_popescu	did they have a battery explode and burn a bunch of 5 yo blonde white girls ? or what ?	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	wasn't it trading 250s ?	[23:27]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0315 = 0.1575 BTC [-] {2}	[23:27]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0748989 = 0.1498 BTC [+]	[23:27]
mike_c	yes, and it beat estimates last quarter	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	mike_c didja identify the event that lead to that 30% drop btw ?	[23:27]
*	mircea_popescu grins.	[23:27]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03199983 = 0.16 BTC [+] {4}	[23:28]
mike_c	btcalpha wrote an article on tesla.	[23:28]
mike_c	price dropped 30%	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	makes sense	[23:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0315 = 0.1575 BTC [+] {2}	[23:29]
*	Guest75192 (~Kami-Sama@99-30-79-193.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:32]
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*	Guest75192 is now known as Ukyo	[23:32]
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*	assbot removes voice from chetty	[23:38]
*	assbot gives voice to FabianB	[23:39]
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asciilifeform	!up chetty	[23:39]
assbot	Voicing chetty for 30 minutes.	[23:39]
*	assbot gives voice to chetty	[23:39]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 97 @ 0.00446586 = 0.4332 BTC [-] {2}	[23:46]
mike_c	;;bc,stats	[23:47]
gribble	Current Blocks: 299762 \| Current Difficulty: 8.0008721359681635E9 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 300383 \| Next Difficulty In: 621 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 20 hours, and 0 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 8688849012.3 \| Estimated Percent Change: 8.59877	[23:47]
*	blueocean (~blueocean@75-164-173-247.ptld.qwest.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:49]
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benkay	!up blueocean	[23:50]
assbot	Voicing blueocean for 30 minutes.	[23:50]
*	assbot gives voice to blueocean	[23:50]
benkay	blueocean: you know if you join channels before you turn on your hostmask we can all see where you're connecting from	[23:50]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00087711 = 20.349 BTC [-]	[23:51]
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*	Duffer1 (~Duffer1@c-98-232-231-188.hsd1.or.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:57]
*	assbot gives voice to Duffer1	[23:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0740001 = 0.148 BTC [-]	[23:59]
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