Forum logs for 09 May 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.0425 = 0.1275 BTC [+] [00:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.074 = 0.148 BTC [-] {2} [00:03]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.145 BTC [+] [00:03]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.074 = 0.148 BTC [-] [00:04]
benkay [00:04]
benkay "Mr. Anderson acknowledged that technical hurdles and cost considerations have turned the initial vision into a distant dream." [00:05]
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benkay cold fusion, asteroid mining..."just ten years away!" [00:05]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.0425 = 0.17 BTC [+] [00:05]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 101 @ 0.0410297 = 4.144 BTC [-] {2} [00:06]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.074 = 0.148 BTC [-] [00:07]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.0425 = 0.1275 BTC [+] [00:08]
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kakobrekla ;;later tell mike_c + ?json is up [00:23]
gribble The operation succeeded. [00:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34850 @ 0.00087706 = 30.5655 BTC [-] {2} [00:29]
mircea_popescu benkay two weeks! [00:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49750 @ 0.00087655 = 43.6084 BTC [-] {4} [00:34]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 3 @ 0.1333333 = 0.4 BTC [-] [00:35]
BingoBoingo ;;rate csshih 1 Flashlights delivered [00:36]
gribble Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system. [00:36]
BingoBoingo ;;rate csshih 1 Flashlights delivered [00:36]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user csshih has been recorded. [00:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 9 @ 0.0425 = 0.3825 BTC [+] [00:37]
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BingoBoingo flashlights may or may not be euphamism [00:44]
pankkake top lel [00:44]
mike_c kakobrekla: looking good! [00:45]
pankkake Epic copying MiniGame [00:47]
ozbot The Next Unreal Tournament: Totally Free, Developed By Public - Slashdot [00:47]
mike_c an award for "best ATM design".. awesome. [00:52]
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pankkake is "ATM" used outside of the US? [00:55]
mike_c what do you call them? [00:55]
pankkake I believe it means ass to mouth to most of the world [00:56]
mike_c heh. [00:56]
pankkake distributeur, i.e. distributor [00:56]
mircea_popescu !up michiel_l_ [00:56]
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michiel_l_ hi mircea_popescu, thx [00:56]
mircea_popescu yw [00:56]
kakobrekla mike_c your glasses are now facebook glasses [00:57]
kakobrekla but you prolly already knew that. [00:57]
davout hory shet [01:00]
fluffypony pankkake: we use ATM here [01:00]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19150 @ 0.00087672 = 16.7892 BTC [+] [01:01]
mircea_popescu [01:05]
ozbot Married White Wives Love BBC [01:05]
fluffypony I'm starting to suspect that the bulk of the AMC "investors" need their heads read [01:08]
mircea_popescu a btc psychiatrist would do brisk biznis [01:09]
jurov they need what? [01:09]
jurov ah psychiatry...but who'd pay for that ? their "investors"? [01:10]
* jurov starts IPO for dotcoin psychiatric examination [01:11]
jurov best when disguised on bitcoin bourse itself [01:11]
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fluffypony of cours [01:12]
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jurov poor mjr_ [01:14]
jurov i fear his satoshi squares got regulated [01:16]
mike_c kakobrekla: yeah, not happy about that. [01:19]
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fluffypony wtf [01:25]
fluffypony I got accused of being MP *again* [01:25]
fluffypony [01:26]
ozbot [ActiveMining] Official Shareholder Discussion Thread [Moderated] [01:26]
davout "jurov starts IPO for dotcoin psychiatric examination" <<< shut up and take my money [01:27]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20150 @ 0.00087672 = 17.6659 BTC [+] [01:27]
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jurov is not valid json [01:27]
jurov ValueError: Expecting , delimiter: line 1 column 1338 (char 1337) [01:27]
jurov 1337, but invalid [01:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35800 @ 0.00087593 = 31.3583 BTC [-] [01:29]
davout jurov: seems to load fine for me [01:30]
kakobrekla jurov argues double quote is not properly escaped or some such [01:30]
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jurov mea culpa, [01:31]
jurov i copypasted it instead of properly fetching it [01:31]
pankkake fluffypony: it's amazing how the MP paranoia spread [01:32]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [01:32]
fluffypony yeah [01:33]
fluffypony it seems to be the knee-jerk reaction when someone says something you don't agree with on the securities sub-foru [01:34]
fluffypony *forum [01:34]
pankkake my psychologist take is that it's more convenient to have one dissenter. you're more right because numbers [01:34]
pankkake or paid by someone. activemining "trolls" were said to be paid by… hashfast [01:35]
pankkake I wonder why pbkdf2 has such a horrible name. perhaps a NSA conspiracy so no one uses it [01:36]
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davout [01:37]
ozbot BitPay Is Raising $30M At A $160M Valuation From Index, Richard Branson | TechCrunch [01:37]
pankkake I'm not sure why they would even need that [01:39]
davout pankkake: probably getting msb licenses in 50 states [01:39]
davout might not even be enough [01:39]
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davout expanding to europe [01:39]
pankkake well, I hope it's something like that [01:40]
davout cutting a middle-man by opening an exchange [01:40]
davout who knows [01:40]
pankkake BitPay already werks in EU [01:40]
davout like the msb license thing? [01:40]
pankkake probably not [01:40]
davout bitpay has an office in amsterdam, they're not licensed in any way which is going to be necessary for them [01:40]
davout if they want to do business in europe [01:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4337 @ 0.00087672 = 3.8023 BTC [+] [01:41]
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mike_c didn't complain [01:47]
ozbot JSONLint - The JSON Validator. [01:47]
mike_c oh, sorry, missed backtrack [01:47]
pankkake what is there to lint in json? it's a pretty strict format [01:48]
mike_c nothing to 'lint', it's just a handy verifier [01:48]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03159196 = 0.1264 BTC [-] {2} [01:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.0313001 = 0.2504 BTC [-] {2} [01:50]
kakobrekla even jsonlint doesnt fail on jurovs url [01:51]
mike_c yeah, it's right (like jurov said) [01:53]
mircea_popescu * jurov starts IPO for dotcoin psychiatric examination << this [01:58]
mircea_popescu you could like, take their money anbd then provide help in the ipo threa [01:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30150 @ 0.00087977 = 26.5251 BTC [+] {2} [01:59]
mircea_popescu I got accused of being MP *again* << and what's your point ? [02:00]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: that the accusation makes no sense [02:00]
mircea_popescu << if anyone needs visual aids for the tardstalk forum [02:00]
ozbot Girls are graceful, god dammit. - Imgur [02:00]
mircea_popescu ;;ud sense [02:01]
gribble | something you can make, but only if you are born with it, althoug everyone has 5, some people can have 6 or more as well. You can also have a sense... [02:01]
ozbot Urban Dictionary: sense [02:01]
mircea_popescu never heard of it. [02:01]
fluffypony it's like they are honestly convinced that the only person who could be critical is you [02:01]
fluffypony anyone else who is critical must be you [02:01]
mircea_popescu don't take it so hard : maybe anyone whose head works must be me. [02:01]
fluffypony well my reply got deleted by the thread moderator [02:02]
mircea_popescu serves you right, me. [02:02]
fluffypony apparently I wasn't circlejerky enough [02:02]
fluffypony how dare I question the Great Kennith [02:02]
mircea_popescu who ? [02:03]
fluffypony Sir Kennith Slaughter [02:04]
fluffypony Owner Extrodinaire [02:04]
mircea_popescu lol is the spelling accurate ? [02:04]
fluffypony nfi [02:04]
fluffypony maybe it's Kenneth [02:04]
mircea_popescu wait, you are actually in the active miner thread arguing with people ? [02:05]
fluffypony I was for all of 2 posts [02:05]
fluffypony 3 maybe [02:05]
mircea_popescu ::rate fluffypony -1 has no inkling of a clue as to what time management is [02:05]
fluffypony hah hah [02:05]
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pankkake I do not check the "remember me" case anymore, it helps [02:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 77 @ 0.00603234 = 0.4645 BTC [-] {8} [02:07]
pankkake [02:08]
ozbot Apple To Buy Beats - Business Insider [02:08]
jurov flyypy hopes to get on your payroll [02:12]
jurov *fluffy [02:12]
fluffypony jurov: I was actually trying to be helpful, I just get a bit snarky and sarcastic when I'm being helpful to morons [02:12]
fluffypony apparently they didn't appreciate my wit. [02:13]
mircea_popescu so i've been having this weeklong discussion with this polish economist guy. the results are the most fucking improbable shit. for instance... i just comitted to the proposition that there's no such thing as "fixed income" and the whole class is nonsense. [02:14]
mircea_popescu i will end up kidnapped by senior finance types and fucking burned at the stake for my numerous heresies. [02:15]
fluffypony lol [02:15]
kakobrekla ;;later tell artifexd now supports ?json [02:15]
gribble The operation succeeded. [02:15]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10288 @ 0.00088023 = 9.0558 BTC [+] [02:15]
mircea_popescu at any rate, i tell you, this is why i'm in bitcoin. like once or even twice a month i have this "omfg i can not believe what i'm arguing" moment. [02:15]
mircea_popescu entirely novel experience for me. [02:16]
mircea_popescu also this line appears in the log as #666555 [02:17]
mircea_popescu 111 to go. [02:17]
fluffypony nice [02:17]
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kakobrekla 109 [02:18]
kakobrekla who will be the lucky winner [02:18]
mircea_popescu urmom 108 ? [02:18]
dub 1'm in bitcoin cause ur mom is in bitcoin and im in ur mom [02:18]
fluffypony deep [02:18]
fluffypony very deep [02:18]
mircea_popescu in urmom. [02:19]
fluffypony ;;seen urmom [02:19]
gribble I have not seen urmom. [02:19]
fluffypony damn straight, gribble. [02:19]
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mircea_popescu [02:20]
ozbot Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: " 1'm in #bitcoin ... [02:20]
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mircea_popescu ;;google 97 [02:20]
gribble HOT 97 | Where Hip Hop Lives: ; 97 (number) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; 96.9 Buffalo's 97 Rock - Buffalo: [02:20]
mircea_popescu wikipedia has a page dedicated to the number 97 ? bouvard & pecuchet live! [02:21]
mircea_popescu ~This article does not cite any references or sources.~ [02:21]
mircea_popescu 97 (ninety-seven) is the natural number following 96 and preceding 98. [02:21]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18759 @ 0.00088089 = 16.5246 BTC [+] {3} [02:24]
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fluffypony sleep time, night [02:27]
jurov [02:28]
jurov ^ about silkroad 2.0 and clones [02:29]
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kakobrekla mp: the title on the bet is expanded now [02:31]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla love you! [02:32]
jurov About assassination market: The target that had “amassed” the biggest bounty surprised us. That person is not an elected official. We decided to not include that person’s name here [02:32]
jurov hm... any guess? [02:32]
mircea_popescu me ? [02:32]
jurov lol [02:32]
jurov i actually don't know myself [02:32]
jurov We will say that the fund to assassinate [02:33]
jurov this person was up to 124.22 bitcoins, or around $124,220 [02:33]
jurov imo not very serious [02:33]
benkay ben bernanke? [02:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 157 @ 0.07612777 = 11.9521 BTC [+] {9} [02:34]
jurov he is elected in some sense, no? [02:34]
mircea_popescu notrly, but they prolly don't know what words mean so ok [02:34]
mike_c karpales? [02:34]
mike_c *eles [02:34]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 91 @ 0.07776858 = 7.0769 BTC [+] {4} [02:35]
jurov i don;t have access to tor atm, someone else can check... but it's fun to guess, no? [02:35]
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jurov i'm guessing bieber [02:36]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.BBET] 350 @ 0.00051 = 0.1785 BTC [-] [02:37]
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moiety evening [02:39]
mircea_popescu moiety hey [02:40]
moiety how's your day been? [02:41]
mircea_popescu jurov maybe it's satoshi [02:41]
mircea_popescu pretty great [02:41]
pankkake the guy won't add things like bieber [02:42]
pankkake and the assmarket hasn't seen much action even after the news coverage [02:42]
pankkake IIRC number one is bernanke, second obama [02:43]
kakobrekla [MPEX] [S.BBET] 350 @ 0.00051 = 0.1785 BTC [-] < clearly i should not be adding any more features to bbet, shareholders have spoken. [02:43]
benkay today's fun adventures in openssl! [02:44]
kakobrekla in fact, let me undo todays work right away! [02:44]
benkay on one of the many many many api's available for derping through openssl, loading the public key in first and then the private key results in garbage out [02:44]
benkay kakobrekla: also for some reason my rss reader started complaining about today. [02:45]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.03103945 = 0.2483 BTC [-] {4} [02:46]
pankkake [02:46]
moiety site was attacked yesterday. up and fixed now though [02:47]
kakobrekla benkay anything specific ? [02:48]
benkay trying to figure it out :( [02:48]
benkay it's a derpy reader. [02:48]
artifexd mircea_popescu: There's an entire website dedicated to how numbers are interesting: There's lots of cool stuff in there. [02:49]
moiety pankkake: seems some's dead pools are more popular than others lol [02:49]
artifexd For example: [02:50]
artifexd kakobrekla: Sweet. Thanks! [02:51]
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mircea_popescu artifexd yeah but... [02:51]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla lol [02:52]
artifexd I only brought it up because you were talking about number entries in wikipedia [02:52]
mircea_popescu but i mean... a collection of trivialities is not an encyclopedia [02:53]
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artifexd I didn't mean to imply that it was. It is just a source of useless (but interesting to me) information. That's it. I didn't mean anything deep or important. Just a "hey, there's this thing that you may, or may not, find interesting". [02:56]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 76 @ 0.07852529 = 5.9679 BTC [+] {6} [02:59]
mircea_popescu nono, you said! [03:00]
mircea_popescu moiety so what are you up to these days [03:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3420 @ 0.00087895 = 3.006 BTC [-] [03:01]
mircea_popescu [03:01]
ozbot Behind the NSA's mysterious coded tweet - [03:01]
mircea_popescu kinda derpy pitch [03:01]
moiety mircea_popescu, figuring out what to do next with my time really, which is hampered by trying to sort out house things recently. i have a deadline now. [03:02]
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moiety i thought that re nsa and tweeter, like trying to play like cicada and getting it terribly wrong [03:03]
mircea_popescu doesn't sound like so much fun [03:03]
moiety not particularly, but it'll all work out :] [03:03]
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moiety once one thing gets sorted, all the rest will be easier i think [03:05]
moiety i work better to deadlines anyways, wee bit of pressure did no one any harm [03:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 83 @ 0.041 = 3.403 BTC [-] {2} [03:10]
BingoBoingo Oh, anyone want to guess what my blood pressure was today? [03:13]
mircea_popescu 212 [03:14]
BingoBoingo Lower, I'm not Kenneth Slaughter [03:15]
mircea_popescu lol [03:15]
BingoBoingo Was a healthy 121/66 [03:17]
mircea_popescu o hey wd. [03:18]
BingoBoingo Thanks, Probably all of this damn tramadol keeping it that low. [03:19]
BingoBoingo I'm not sure I like this new doctor though, too young. [03:20]
moiety thats really good BB :] everything go alright then? [03:20]
BingoBoingo Eh, could have gone better, just more of the same for another week and see from there [03:20]
* moiety nods [03:21]
moiety hope things keep improving [03:21]
moiety i don't take well on tramadol at all [03:21]
BingoBoingo Eh, NSAIDs weren't doing anything and this does something. They seem to scarcely prescribe much else anymore. [03:22]
moiety this is true. it mimics how the body takes to other things. this doesn't translate well in me. tramadol is one of things people either do really well or really badly on. [03:23]
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moiety tim, the bike crash guy, he loves it [03:23]
BingoBoingo I'd rather just go back to drinking, but these antibiotics... [03:23]
moiety theres only one antibiotic you cant drink on, its a myth [03:24]
moiety it begins with M and i cant remember what it is [03:24]
BingoBoingo There's plenty where it is ill advised. [03:24]
BingoBoingo Just because there is one building in town that will kill you for sure if you jump from it doesn't mean jumping from the other ones is an idea worth endorsing. [03:25]
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mircea_popescu !up NormDePloome [03:29]
assbot Voicing NormDePloome for 30 minutes. [03:29]
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moiety BingoBoingo: what i mean is i think the biggest issue is drowsiness. theres only one that will make a person sick -- that i know of [03:41]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.1333333 = 0.2667 BTC [-] [03:59]
kakobrekla [04:01]
kakobrekla yea yea i know this is old by now [04:02]
kakobrekla here a question, you know whats the thing with winklevoss twins and redundancy? [04:02]
kakobrekla they both are. [04:03]
mircea_popescu lol [04:06]
kakobrekla btw [04:10]
kakobrekla [04:10]
ozbot #bitcoin-assets log [04:10]
kakobrekla i just saw the proposition on bbet [04:10]
mircea_popescu what's that ? [04:10]
kakobrekla >MP takes devil's crown [04:11]
mircea_popescu um [04:11]
mircea_popescu link ? [04:11]
kakobrekla [04:11]
ozbot BitBet Propositions [04:11]
mircea_popescu oh lol [04:12]
kakobrekla someone from ba must have made it [04:12]
mircea_popescu [04:12]
ozbot #bitcoin-assets log [04:12]
mircea_popescu assbot got it [04:12]
kakobrekla yup [04:12]
mircea_popescu seems fitting [04:12]
kakobrekla well tbh i can make it go either way [04:12]
mircea_popescu hm ? [04:13]
kakobrekla edit the log [04:14]
kakobrekla doh [04:14]
mircea_popescu lol [04:14]
mircea_popescu [04:14]
ozbot BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1007.73 B (95%) on Yes, 47.56 B (5%) on No [04:14]
mircea_popescu splendid [04:14]
kakobrekla this is wrong [04:14]
kakobrekla it should be [04:14]
kakobrekla [04:14]
kakobrekla :( [04:14]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 1007.73 / (1007.73+47.56) [04:14]
gribble 0.954931819689 [04:14]
kakobrekla does ; break it? [04:15]
kakobrekla or is there a length limit [04:15]
mircea_popescu prolly. [04:15]
mircea_popescu replace the ; see [04:15]
kakobrekla who owns it again? [04:15]
mircea_popescu Jezzz [04:15]
mircea_popescu this may actually be a vuln lol. [04:15]
kakobrekla [04:16]
ozbot BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1007.73 B (95%) on Yes, 47.56 B (5%) on No [04:16]
kakobrekla nope [04:16]
kakobrekla seems to be length issue or smth [04:17]
kakobrekla except if it also breaks on | [04:17]
kakobrekla but this, unlikely. [04:17]
kakobrekla Jezzz make it fix ? [04:18]
kakobrekla [04:19]
ozbot BitBet - 1BTC >= $10,000 USD :: 75 B (17%) on Yes, 373.87 B (83%) on No | closing in 6 months 1 week [04:19]
kakobrekla myea [04:20]
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thestringpuller lol i came back to my computer at an interesting time [04:20]
thestringpuller har har har [04:20]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: the newest Trilema header may be the best yet [04:20]
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nubbins` ^ [04:21]
nubbins` when we work out our deal to publish trilema excerpts in dead-tree format, that should be on the cover. [04:22]
thestringpuller nubbins`! i've been looking for you :P [04:22]
thestringpuller i need more quotes and estimates and shit [04:22]
nubbins` sure, lay it on me [04:23]
thestringpuller ;;ident [04:23]
gribble Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!', is not identified. [04:23]
thestringpuller damn [04:23]
thestringpuller one sec [04:23]
nubbins` me: "why am i so cold?" [04:23]
nubbins` "oh yeah, i just gobbled a pint of ice cream" [04:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2530 @ 0.00087895 = 2.2237 BTC [-] [04:24]
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thestringpuller ;;ident [04:25]
gribble Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None [04:25]
thestringpuller there we go [04:25]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller it's old you know. [04:25]
thestringpuller i just haven't been reading trilema long enough yet [04:25]
thestringpuller either that or you don't do repeats often or ever :P [04:25]
thestringpuller but no i did not know that ;) [04:26]
mircea_popescu abouyt every 2 yars :D [04:26]
nubbins` (pirate years for all ye landlubbers) [04:26]
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mircea_popescu lol [04:27]
kakobrekla [04:29]
ozbot Japanese Man Arrested for Having Guns Made with a 3D Printer [04:29]
nubbins` illegal shapes [04:31]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 16 @ 0.06474168 = 1.0359 BTC [-] [04:32]
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PLambert did you see the article about the guy who accidently got shipped a drone by US gov? he should have sold it on silkroad :) [04:33]
PLambert [04:34]
ozbot UPS accidentally delivers a $350K US government DRONE to college student who ordered a weightlifting [04:34]
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thestringpuller ;;ticker [04:48]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 444.55, Best ask: 446.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.45000, Last trade: 446.0, 24 hour volume: 6767.10378919, 24 hour low: 437.61, 24 hour high: 450.08, 24 hour vwap: 443.839985864 [04:48]
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BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [04:53]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 446.99, vol: 6766.18252863 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 432.733, vol: 4547.59339 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 443.01, vol: 3414.96020012 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 439.98, vol: 19.02559558 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 441.29475, vol: 2365.35030000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 441.809, vol: 5.98963694 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 442.752, vol: 30.20807873 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) [04:53]
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BingoBoingo [04:54]
ozbot The Navy's new, secure e-readers are called NeRD. [04:54]
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moiety is it just the uk that keeps bumping up passport prices every five minutes? [05:01]
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moiety i'll be more to renew than i was in the first place [05:02]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17495 @ 0.0008799 = 15.3939 BTC [+] {2} [05:08]
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dub !jd mpif [05:17]
assbot Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 163.99003536 BTC; +0.01152900 BTC (+0.0070%) since last check 10h 41m 29s ago. [05:17]
TheNewDeal didn't it start with like 50? [05:20]
TheNewDeal or was there a btc/atc combo investment? [05:21]
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Duffer1 50 is correct [05:21]
Duffer1 perhaps it was expanded? [05:22]
Duffer1 a 3x gain seems unlikely [05:22]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07897949 = 0.158 BTC [+] {2} [05:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00087723 = 21.4921 BTC [-] {3} [05:32]
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decimation "indles, iPads, and other tablets/e-readers are currently forbidden on Navy vessels. They take up space, and, more importantly, can be a security threat because of connectivity points like wi-fi, expandable storage, and USB ports." [05:40]
decimation Cargo-cult security [05:40]
decimation as long as none of the objects in the area have the evil ports, the security gods shall be pleased and grant us the anti-snowden [05:41]
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decimation When rich people do go out to eat, they will not want to be served by robots, so high-end restaurants will still have human waitstaff. As I?ve pointed out before, many people who aren?t born rich will only be able to make money if they have the ability to entertain the rich or make them feel good about themselves. [06:03]
ozbot Robots and restaurants | Lion of the Blogosphere [06:03]
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decimation I didn't see this linked here yet. $324 million for 64k people = $5k before lawyer's cut [06:13]
ozbot Tech firms agree to settle hiring suit - Taipei Times [06:13]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 40 @ 0.03075268 = 1.2301 BTC [-] {4} [06:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00088041 = 10.741 BTC [+] [06:13]
TheNewDeal nice deal [06:14]
decimation "Sorry we fixed your wages for years. Have a free macbook" [06:14]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.07897498 = 1.2636 BTC [+] {2} [06:14]
decimation The ceos all agreed that the lawsuit sucked, and the lawyers agreed to have a payday! The beta engineers, who already accepted years of being screwed, have accepted being screwed again. [06:17]
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decimation !down [06:24]
assbot Need a nickname, decimation. [06:24]
decimation !down decimation [06:24]
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mircea_popescu perhaps it was expanded? >> 50 then 113 [06:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4750 @ 0.00087671 = 4.1644 BTC [+] [07:05]
artifexd mircea_popescu or kakobrekla Can you straighten me out on some terminology? [07:09]
kakobrekla in regards to what [07:10]
artifexd Bitbet [07:10]
kakobrekla well i can give it a shot [07:10]
artifexd A proposition is an unapproved bet, right? [07:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12974 @ 0.00088054 = 11.4241 BTC [+] {2} [07:10]
kakobrekla yea [07:10]
artifexd What is it called after it is approved? [07:11]
artifexd A bet? [07:11]
kakobrekla yea [07:11]
artifexd What do people place on that bet? [07:11]
kakobrekla bets :) [07:11]
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artifexd There's my confusion. Bet refers to the thing being placed and the thing upon which it is placed. [07:11]
kakobrekla correct [07:11]
artifexd Well... fuck [07:12]
kakobrekla its lispy! [07:12]
artifexd Do you have different names for them in your database? [07:13]
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kakobrekla different from what [07:13]
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artifexd I imagine that there is a database with a table of bets and a table of, uh, bets. Both tables can't be called bets. [07:14]
TheNewDeal bets and betbets [07:14]
artifexd lol [07:14]
artifexd It would fit with the twitter names: BitBets and BitBetsBets [07:15]
kakobrekla hehe did you take that from twitter TheNewDeal ? [07:15]
kakobrekla hehe [07:15]
TheNewDeal getting all the lelz tonight [07:16]
artifexd I guess I'll just go with "New bet created" vs "New bet placed" [07:16]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18550 @ 0.00088119 = 16.3461 BTC [+] [07:31]
TheNewDeal tim-tams [07:31]
tim-tams thenewdeal hey [07:31]
TheNewDeal you came here searching for knowledge? [07:31]
tim-tams looking for a sponsor actually haha [07:31]
TheNewDeal what exactly is this? [07:31]
tim-tams "this" as in the sponsorship? [07:32]
TheNewDeal yeahs [07:32]
tim-tams I run and host the weekly podcast there [07:32]
TheNewDeal what would that be [07:32]
tim-tams we're headed to a Bitcoin conference and are gonna interview some people [07:32]
tim-tams looking for a sponsor who would be mentioned every time we talk about the conference in our show [07:33]
tim-tams some banner space included too [07:33]
TheNewDeal for how much [07:33]
tim-tams our budget for the whole trip is $1400 and I got one sponsor for half that. So $700 more for an equal spot [07:34]
tim-tams I can provide a more detailed budget if you so desire [07:34]
TheNewDeal not too concerned [07:34]
TheNewDeal wheres the conference? [07:34]
tim-tams Washington DC [07:34]
tim-tams Bitcoin in the Beltway [07:34]
tim-tams is that something you'd be interested in? you have a product/service? [07:36]
TheNewDeal can I pay like 5$ for you to include a small middle finger dedicated to the Chief of Operations of Butterfly Labs? [07:36]
tim-tams haha maybe ;) [07:36]
mircea_popescu tim-tams sup ? [07:39]
mircea_popescu Well... fuck << talk to english ;/ [07:39]
artifexd Yeah... [07:39]
TheNewDeal charlie shrem is going to be there! [07:40]
TheNewDeal fack I'm gonna buy a ticket and go smoke some dope with him [07:41]
tim-tams mircea_popescu hey there, would you be interested in a deal like the one described above? [07:42]
tim-tams joecool said to contact you [07:42]
mircea_popescu i don't know you, why would i give you bitcoin ? [07:43]
TheNewDeal i massage very gentle, you give bitcoin [07:43]
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tim-tams mircea_popescu haha to get your name out there, advertising and such [07:45]
tim-tams we're hoping to interview some people, and we'll definitely talk about the presentations a ton on the show [07:45]
tim-tams you'll be mentioned every time [07:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.00087877 = 28.4721 BTC [-] [07:46]
mircea_popescu ;;ident tim-tams [07:47]
gribble Nick 'tim-tams', with hostmask 'tim-tams!', is identified as user 'tim-tams', with GPG key id 3C45E4F1E6017AD9, key fingerprint 0EB2043388023608246A68E83C45E4F1E6017AD9, and bitcoin address 188tePebVzHGniSWuh2azFpmQkrSVrn39H [07:47]
mircea_popescu to... get my name out there ? [07:48]
mircea_popescu what show. [07:49]
tim-tams [07:49]
tim-tams we have a weekly podcast [07:49]
tim-tams I was expecting the sponsorship to be a form of advertising but if you'd rather just sponsor us because you think it's a good use of your money (which it would be ;) ) then we're ok with that haha [07:49]
mircea_popescu your blog got 0 comments the past month. < you get like... 72 views ? [07:50]
mircea_popescu << look here. [07:51]
ozbot Awstats and stuff pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [07:51]
mircea_popescu in order for you to advertise me you have to have more media exposure than me, not vice-versa. [07:51]
tim-tams yeah that makes sense, understandable, you're right, we're not very big, somewhat new [07:52]
mircea_popescu enthusiasm is good, don't get me wrong, but you're not there yet. [07:53]
tim-tams yeah no problem, you're right, we definitely need to grow [07:54]
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mircea_popescu jurov yes, today. [13:40]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0310001 = 0.155 BTC [+] [13:42]
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fluffypony Naphex: I couldn't make it through that video [13:49]
fluffypony Naphex: they lost me at "made for peer to peer interaction" [13:50]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [13:52]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 444.8, Best ask: 446.96, Bid-ask spread: 2.16000, Last trade: 444.8, 24 hour volume: 6086.20975405, 24 hour low: 437.61, 24 hour high: 449.96, 24 hour vwap: 443.295460436 [13:52]
mircea_popescu "One-third of World Bank Policy Reports Have Never Ever Been Read Online, By Anyone" [13:55]
mircea_popescu time to start seriously discussing the irrelevance of the world bank. perhaps it's time it just goes away, as it has little chance of being folded into mpex. [13:56]
fluffypony hah hah [13:56]
fluffypony data relevancy [13:56]
fluffypony *dat [13:56]
mircea_popescu "All females regardless of race are to be inspected by a UK Border Force doctor for FGM. Passports will be stamped to mark childs FGM status." [13:57]
mircea_popescu lmao perhaps it could just move to the uk and stay there. [13:57]
mircea_popescu >> particularly productive twitter today [13:58]
mircea_popescu [14:06]
ozbot Blue Ridge encounters Chinese ships near disputed isle - News - Stripes [14:06]
mircea_popescu some online news outlets to label the encounter a confrontation, which 7th Fleet officials disputed Friday. [14:07]
mircea_popescu USS Blue Ridge, the Japan-based 7th Fleet’s flagship, transited without incident near the two ships, Navy officials said. [14:07]
mircea_popescu All parties acted professionally, said 7th Fleet spokesman Cmdr. William Marks, who is embarked aboard Blue Ridge. [14:07]
mircea_popescu “There wasn’t any communication [with the Chinese] due to both Blue Ridge and its helicopter being a safe distance away,” Marks said. [14:07]
mircea_popescu it wasn't a confrontation : we stayed the fuck away from them, so there was no need for them to beat our living daylights out. [14:07]
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Naphex damn eMag always messes up my shit [14:11]
Naphex ordered a whole pc, had to split the order so they can deliver stuff they had on inventory [14:12]
Naphex everything arrived, except the pc parts [14:12]
Naphex what am i going to do with a cooler and a PSU the whole weekend ;( [14:12]
mircea_popescu start an aquarium ? [14:12]
Naphex eh [14:13]
Naphex too boring :p [14:13]
mircea_popescu anyway, this is fascinating, i never met an emag customer before. [14:13]
mircea_popescu so you guys actually exist ? [14:13]
Naphex yeah, i get suckered in into ordering stuff [14:13]
Naphex every year or so, then i order it and regret it while i wait for stuff for weeks [14:13]
Naphex there are no local stores that carry anything high end over here [14:15]
Naphex so its either emag or its cousins [14:15]
mircea_popescu believe it or not, [14:17]
mircea_popescu ;;google trilema emag [14:17]
gribble Ianuarie 2010 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Noiembrie 2009 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Septembrie 2011 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: [14:17]
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Naphex anyway emag is a big PoS [14:19]
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Naphex all of my orders were above 3k$usd since ever [14:19]
mircea_popescu aye [14:19]
Naphex never ever did they deliver on time or 'right' [14:19]
Naphex not to mention they wanted me to wire the money this last time [14:20]
Naphex and they still didn't register the payment sent 3 days ago!:( [14:20]
Naphex orders were maid and paid on monday, now its friday and all i have is a cooler+PSU. [14:20]
Naphex which were suposed to get here last [14:20]
Naphex :) [14:20]
Naphex EMAG sunt mai mult decat impostori. Sunt m*****i numai prin faptul pe care l-au facut. Numai incompetenti. [14:22]
Naphex whats that swear word? [14:22]
fluffypony mFUCKi [14:23]
fluffypony *guesses [14:23]
Naphex :)) [14:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 99.77743063 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 19 satoshi per share [14:23]
mircea_popescu muisti ? [14:24]
mircea_popescu nu intra. hm... jucam rebus aici lol. [14:24]
Naphex hehe [14:24]
mircea_popescu muisti = cocksuckers in romanian. a very economic language, needs fewer letters for the concept. also reflective of the fact that romanian women are on average better trained & moar experienced with it so it doesn't take as long. [14:25]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 7 @ 0.041 = 0.287 BTC [-] [14:25]
mircea_popescu Naphex: woot we just passed justcoin in 30day vol:D << lol he's playing racecars on btccharts [14:27]
Naphex hehe aye, was a good day yesterday [14:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.079 = 2.37 BTC [+] [14:28]
Naphex although there was a 120 wall at 1340 [14:28]
mircea_popescu wait. [14:30]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 1340/443.295460436 [14:30]
gribble 3.02281462274 [14:30]
mircea_popescu isn't the usd like 3.20 or so ? [14:31]
Naphex 3.12 [14:31]
Naphex or 3.28 [14:31]
mircea_popescu holy shit. [14:31]
mircea_popescu hm [14:31]
mircea_popescu ;;google ron usd rate [14:31]
gribble USD to RON Exchange Rate - Bloomberg: ; USD to RON - The Money Converter: ; Convert Romanian Lei (RON) and United States Dollars (USD ...: [14:31]
mircea_popescu dude gogle you're so fucken useless. [14:31]
Naphex ;;google 1 usd in ron [14:31]
gribble USD to RON - The Money Converter: ; USD/RON - The Money Converter: ; USD to RON Exchange Rate - Bloomberg: [14:31]
Naphex doesn't look like gribble parses google calc [14:32]
mircea_popescu 3.21 dood. [14:32]
mircea_popescu prev close 3.20. [14:32]
Naphex [14:34]
ozbot Bitcoin Charts / Markets / btcxchangeRON [14:34]
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mircea_popescu 1284 trading even. [14:35]
mircea_popescu i wonder how long the local fucktards realise there's a 10% arb hole available. [14:35]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 1284/443.295460436/ 3.21 [14:36]
gribble 0.902332723206 [14:36]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9150 @ 0.00088369 = 8.0858 BTC [-] {2} [14:37]
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Naphex they realize i think [14:40]
Naphex but there is no patience, [14:40]
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Naphex most people come in and exit [14:41]
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Naphex yesterday was straight wall for most the day/night. 120 @ 1342 , 1344 [14:41]
mircea_popescu Naphex no but i mean the derps that pretend like they're bankers and bvb traders and whatnot [14:41]
mircea_popescu meanwhile making 5k a month or something. [14:42]
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fluffypony mircea_popescu: you mean the crowd that self-identify as "ibankers" ? :-P [14:57]
mircea_popescu fluffypony sort-of. these guys : [14:59]
mircea_popescu bursa de valori bucuresti = romanian stock exchange [15:00]
Naphex quality stuff:) [15:01]
Naphex SIF SIF SIF [15:01]
fluffypony lol Google Translate [15:01]
fluffypony "robot servant in channel responds as follows" [15:01]
Naphex and tradeville ;o [15:01]
mircea_popescu Naphex back then, like 90% of the entire market cap was this one austrian conglomerate. [15:01]
mircea_popescu (which was, of course, listed on vse) [15:02]
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Naphex [15:03]
ozbot Bursa de Valori Bucuresti [15:03]
pankkake aspx, serious bizness [15:03]
Naphex Misiune [15:04]
Naphex transformarea Bursei de Valori Bucuresti intr-unul dintre cele mai active instrumente de finantare a economiei din Romania [15:04]
mircea_popescu :D [15:04]
pankkake Naphex: so why do you order from this emag thing if it sucks? [15:04]
mircea_popescu pankkake because he's assburgers and can't drive 50 miles to fucking vienna to buy the stuff off the shelf [15:05]
mircea_popescu he has to order from chisinev [15:05]
Naphex yeah exactly [15:05]
pankkake eww buying pc parts of the shelf?! [15:05]
mircea_popescu yes. [15:05]
Naphex and i was hoping to get it 2nd day [15:05]
pankkake so more practical to order online [15:05]
mircea_popescu no, it's not. [15:05]
pankkake though once I tried to save a few euros and ordered from multiple retailers, wasn't worth it [15:05]
mircea_popescu unless you have an actual provisioning contract with penalties for delays and misdelivery, [15:06]
pankkake anyway, the choice isn't that great in retail [15:06]
mircea_popescu the only way is to buy it physically. [15:06]
mircea_popescu not retail dood. [15:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27250 @ 0.0008842 = 24.0945 BTC [+] {2} [15:06]
mircea_popescu !up chetty [15:08]
assbot Voicing chetty for 30 minutes. [15:08]
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mircea_popescu [15:08]
chetty doods, always buy off the self, security. random stuffs is safer [15:08]
chetty god I bet that feels nice to wear [15:09]
mircea_popescu a bitch to wash prolly [15:09]
davout mircea_popescu: when i'm done with her sure [15:10]
mircea_popescu lmao [15:11]
davout unless some soupeur comes along ofc [15:12]
fluffypony lawls [15:12]
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davout "Dans son autobiographie One two two3, l'ex-prostituée Fabienne Jamet évoque ainsi cette pratique : « À l'époque où je dirigeais le 122, j'avais un soupeur qui me prenait trente à quarante foutres à chaque visite »4." [15:12]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00447929 = 0.4479 BTC [-] [15:12]
davout sauce : [15:12]
mircea_popescu wait what [15:12]
mircea_popescu pratiquées généralement par des hommes du Marais de la rue Sainte-Anastase [15:13]
davout "On a également désigné par ce mot des individus fréquentant les maisons de prostitution, et qui prenaient plaisir à consommer généralement à même le sexe féminin la semence abandonnée par les clients précédents (ces individus étaient souvent impuissants). D'autres appellations existent pour qualifier cet acte, comme « faire dînette »." [15:13]
mircea_popescu god help us [15:13]
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fluffypony "The term soupeur means and first of all individuals who take pleasure in eating food soaked in the urine of others" [15:14]
mircea_popescu i think in english that's rolled into cuckolding [15:14]
fluffypony well [15:14]
fluffypony there's that [15:14]
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fluffypony right that's enough for the day [15:14]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.079 = 0.553 BTC [+] [15:14]
davout fluffypony: lol [15:15]
mircea_popescu frenchies are fucking perverse. why not eat cum like normal people. [15:15]
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mircea_popescu !up lolo [15:15]
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fluffypony [15:16]
ozbot BitcoinBourse: the biggest scam in Bitcoin securities today [15:16]
Naphex [15:16]
ozbot BitcoinWallet Aims to Make Digital Currency More Social, Transparent|PaymentsSource [15:16]
mircea_popescu Duminica, 26 August, Anul 4 (ie, 2012) : ron/usd = 3.58199 ; Today 9 May 2014 : ron/usd = 3.21055 [15:16]
Naphex owner has a suit! [15:16]
fluffypony "We are currently duel listed on and bitcoin Bourse and shares are exchangeable between the two." [15:16]
mircea_popescu think about that! in the past couple of years, the dollar has lost ground AGAINST THE ROMANIAN LEU [15:17]
pankkake duel listing, I like it. FIGHT! [15:17]
fluffypony pankkake: ikr [15:17]
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fluffypony who needs a 3VPO [15:17]
fluffypony when you can have...a DUELVPO [15:17]
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fluffypony to the death! [15:17]
pankkake oh it's CryptoVest which does… something. I haven't figured out yet [15:17]
Naphex ah MrDunne [15:17]
fluffypony Naphex: with that smile I wouldn't trust him further than I could throw him [15:18]
pankkake "Just Real Opportunity!" :| [15:18]
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mircea_popescu "Not to go all off-topic, but another alternative is that you could just conclude that with very few exceptions, the entire Bitcoin securities universe is currently populated with junk -- and not even bother." [15:18]
mircea_popescu sez doctor foreskinhead. [15:18]
mircea_popescu "If, instead of treating their BTC like play money and throwing it into this kind of junk, folks just took a portion of their available dollars and invested that capital into random selections from the S&P 500, they would likely do much, much better." [15:18]
mircea_popescu someone needs to hit him over the head with the [15:18]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: he's not wrong, assuming he's referring to the "stock" on BitcoinBourse and CryptoStocks [15:18]
fluffypony in fact [15:19]
pankkake well he's right that most are junk [15:19]
fluffypony you could bury the money as cash in the ground and dig it up over 5 years [15:19]
fluffypony *after [15:19]
Apocalyptic // may be relevant [15:19]
ozbot Hayman Global Outlook Pitfalls and Opportunities for 2014 by Kyle Bass - YouTube [15:19]
mircea_popescu he got trampled to shit by mpoe-pr for being a fucktard, rather than admit he;'s a fucktard he prefers to claim "it was impossible anyway": [15:19]
fluffypony and whatever hasn't decomposed would still be more than investing in BitcoinBourse stocks [15:19]
Apocalyptic I like how the first question he's asked is "what do you think about bitcoin", despite it not being mentionned at all [15:19]
mircea_popescu sure. [15:19]
Apocalyptic he took the Buffet way out [15:19]
mircea_popescu Apocalyptic re buffett : i chuckled at the recent sacking of that wsj reporter over calling buffet a hypocrite for no good reason. [15:20]
fluffypony anyway I was writing a blog post about the fucktards that are Coinbase before getting distracted by this, I'ma finish it [15:20]
mircea_popescu somehow they think the strategy involved is not transparent as glass, i have no idea why. [15:20]
Apocalyptic mircea_popescu re Kyle Bass, he is saying in that presentation that Argentina is the best country to invest in for the following years [15:21]
mircea_popescu unsurprising. [15:21]
Naphex well BB might just get 0dayd with all those PHP scripts they run [15:21]
pankkake fluffypony: if this guy really works for coinbase… :/ [15:21]
fluffypony pankkake: his reply is what triggered the blog post I'm writing [15:22]
fluffypony or more specifically zumzero's backing [15:22]
fluffypony "Hmmmn, tricky. Go with the new poster whose first post started with a personal insult or take the advice and recommendation from an established and respected shareholder? What will Ken do? Tricky." [15:22]
pankkake I'm not sure what he even meant by that [15:22]
pankkake and who the RESPECTED shareholder is [15:23]
fluffypony pankkake: apparently my advice is worthless because I implied Ken hired an incompetent "project manager" [15:23]
fluffypony and Jasun7211's advice is golden because he's the *respektud sharezholder* [15:23]
fluffypony so he would never look out for himself [15:23]
pankkake also, lol at not using BitPay because they are "in bed with BFL" [15:24]
mircea_popescu fluffypony yes man, that's how it works. take dr foreskin : he does something stupid. he's publicly told just how stupid he is. he moves on to claiming that THE WORLD IS BROKEN [15:24]
mircea_popescu anything. anything whatsoever. [15:25]
fluffypony lol [15:25]
mircea_popescu anyway, basically fluffypony is sorta moving into a mpoe-pr 2.0 role here ? [15:25]
mircea_popescu curious how long that'll last. [15:25]
fluffypony I actually don't know how mpoe-pr/hanbot lasted as long as she did without quitting, I wouldn't have lasted more than a month [15:26]
fluffypony oh well yes, exactly [15:26]
mircea_popescu she's a woman. [15:26]
mircea_popescu i know what i do when i discriminate. [15:26]
pankkake I lasted in the forums because there wasn't much else I could do of my days [15:26]
pankkake insulting people on the internet was the bonus [15:26]
mircea_popescu you can only insult the willing. [15:27]
pankkake so what's your excuse, fluffypony? [15:27]
mircea_popescu i guess the rest you could rape... [15:27]
pankkake lol [15:27]
fluffypony pankkake: trolling is fun :) [15:29]
fluffypony seriously tho [15:29]
fluffypony I think there are some guys that want to do things in a way that is successful [15:30]
fluffypony and need a bit of testing-with-fire [15:30]
fluffypony so I don't mind offering constructive criticism where I can [15:30]
mircea_popescu << let's play guess the camho's age. [15:31]
ozbot CE FACEM CAND INVATAM ? - YouTube [15:32]
bounce OVER 9000! [15:32]
mircea_popescu no, it's under 9k [15:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.0008838 = 2.6514 BTC [-] [15:33]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 150 @ 0.041 = 6.15 BTC [-] [15:39]
Naphex i'll go with 17 [15:39]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0770001 = 0.77 BTC [-] [15:40]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0789899 = 0.7899 BTC [+] [15:41]
fluffypony yeah looks like jailbait [15:41]
fluffypony except not pretty enough to be jailbait [15:41]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07899 = 0.7899 BTC [+] [15:42]
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mircea_popescu yeah. she's 14ish [15:43]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 24 @ 0.0310001 = 0.744 BTC [+] [15:56]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22379 @ 0.00088231 = 19.7452 BTC [-] {3} [16:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1821 @ 0.00087978 = 1.6021 BTC [-] [16:02]
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bounce [16:12]
bounce how the fsck is a novelty headphone brand worth 3.2bn dollahs? [16:12]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23315 @ 0.00087961 = 20.5081 BTC [-] {2} [16:13]
fluffypony bounce: they've got a wide market [16:14]
fluffypony it's one of those "if you're cool you own a pair" products [16:14]
fluffypony they'll lose ground in a few years, but right now they're a hot commodity [16:15]
fluffypony if it happens it seems to be a marketing exercise for Apple - they could certainly compete from a branding and quality perspective, but they're losing their "cool and hip" image [16:16]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65838 @ 0.0008852 = 58.2798 BTC [+] {5} [16:17]
fluffypony dat patent: [16:18]
bounce apple do know how to be cool and hip and things, or at least jobs managed to hit the nail on the head an ungodly long tim [16:18]
pankkake related [16:18]
bounce but apple always made its own. it's to be seen if they can manage someone else's thing [16:19]
fluffypony bounce: yeah, I get the feeling that they're worried about losing ground in that space without Jobs [16:20]
bounce they're pretty headless right now. the rest runs pretty well -- cook is (I'm told) very good at the whole supply chain thing [16:21]
fluffypony pankkake: who is that? that's the nerd equivalent of someone taking a picture of themselves standing next to a Nissan 350Z (when they're probably 3 mths behind on payments) and putting it on Facebook to impress everyone with his lavish riches [16:21]
pankkake fluffypony: it's unknown, but it's a /g/ meme. these last days it's even better than usual obviously [16:22]
fluffypony bounce: yeah he seems to be good at managing the company and keeping it profitable and smooth, but he doesn't seem to have the requisite insight and vision [16:22]
fluffypony time will tell [16:22]
pankkake s/insight and vision/delusionist skills/ [16:23]
* bounce could do the vision thing, blackberry style. -- that basically was a company with one customer, the boss. making something that blind-sides the hipsters, repeatedly, well, few can do that. [16:24]
bounce the thing is, apple is sitting on an ungodly pile of money, without much in the way of ideas [16:26]
Naphex get money spend money no money? [16:27]
pankkake buy starbucks [16:28]
fluffypony pankkake: nah, Jobs had insight and vision into what people (generally) wanted before they even knew they want it [16:28]
Apocalyptic Naphex, they have nothing to spend it on [16:28]
fluffypony the dude was smart that way [16:28]
Naphex meh. jobs just hyped people [16:28]
Naphex Look a computer in a phone [16:28]
Naphex sorry i meant a severly limited computer which you can use too buy more apple shit [16:28]
pankkake how many bought an iThing and don't even use it? [16:28]
Apocalyptic dem hipsters [16:29]
bounce dunno. any market research into it? [16:29]
bounce though probably not exlusively to nor blamable on apple [16:29]
pankkake jobs sold the ipad to the press, as the thing that would save them [16:30]
pankkake it didn't work at all, but they hyped the ipad before that, hoping it would [16:30]
bounce so? plenty large companies do that, and worse. "vaporware" [16:31]
fluffypony Naphex: I'm talking more about stuff like the iPad - it wasn't even a particularly novel idea, it was just so well executed that every major exec on the planet seems to have switched 80% of their tasks to their iPad instead of their laptop [16:31]
Naphex i never bought an ipad [16:31]
Naphex anyway bb, off home [16:32]
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bounce fairly brilliant marketing move, though I'm not too impressed by the damage [16:32]
fluffypony bounce: well think about how something like WhatsApp was valued - it's valuation was based on userbase and potential monetisation right? [16:33]
fluffypony something like Beats has both a loyal user base and real revenue streams [16:34]
pankkake I wonder why there's no clothing line yet [16:34]
Apocalyptic mircea_popescu re vertcoin, I have no idea how big the VTC market is, nor what hashrate the network has [16:36]
fluffypony Apocalyptic: I can give you a bit of info on that [16:36]
Apocalyptic "Volume 24h: 95.130000 BTC" according to poloniex, but hard to say what the real thing is [16:36]
fluffypony [16:36]
Apocalyptic s/poloniex/cryptocoincharts [16:37]
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BigBitz buying Beats was smart/smooth. [16:38]
BigBitz their target market for iPhone is the beat wearing morons. [16:39]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2200 @ 0.00018315 = 0.4029 BTC [-] {12} [16:39]
BigBitz They're good headphones, but, at that price they're not good... [16:39]
BigBitz Dre becomes 1st hip hop billionaire.. [16:39]
BigBitz that man has smarts. [16:39]
BigBitz Although isn't it Carlye Group and HTC which own most of Beats now-a-days? [16:40]
fluffypony yeah I think so [16:40]
fluffypony they are good though [16:40]
BigBitz was the Apple buy a cash buy? [16:40]
fluffypony bought a pair of buds for the wife a few years ago [16:40]
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fluffypony and she's abused them, yet they're still going [16:40]
BigBitz yeah they are good -- just for that kind of coin they are expensive and not THAT good. [16:41]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 200 @ 0.00085021 = 0.17 BTC [-] [16:41]
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bounce custom fit earbuds, say [16:41]
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fluffypony we get these reward points from our bank for swiping and shit, and if you use a bunch of the bank's products you get 40% off at certain stores when spending the points [16:41]
fluffypony so I basically got them for "free" with the points [16:42]
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BigBitz nice. [16:42]
fluffypony I don't think I would've paid cash for them [16:42]
BigBitz free is good. [16:42]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57400 @ 0.00087895 = 50.4517 BTC [-] {5} [16:42]
bounce you paid for the kickbacks, sure enough [16:42]
BigBitz I wouldn't be upset to get a free pair. [16:42]
fluffypony bounce: for sure, still nice to get something instead of just getting fisted by the bank :-P [16:43]
bounce so you got some lube for getting reamed [16:43]
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fluffypony bounce: exactly! [16:44]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.041 = 0.123 BTC [-] [16:44]
bounce found a book (pdf, really) by some guy who made a sport out of gaming airmiles and getting lifetime platinum diamond whatever status [16:44]
bounce kinda interesting. though I probably wouldn't go through the trouble even if I had access to (or need for) those things [16:45]
fluffypony yeah some of those reward systems can be gamed nicely if you're a big enough spender [16:46]
fluffypony ok Coinbase rant done [16:46]
fluffypony [16:46]
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BigBitz tl;dr [16:48]
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BigBitz btw they do charge Merchants; if they're volume is significant. [16:50]
bounce unfunny [16:51]
fluffypony BigBitz: ah ok - I'll add that in as a sidebar [16:51]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3244 @ 0.00088605 = 2.8743 BTC [+] [16:51]
BigBitz This, too, is antithetical to Bitcoin, but also flies in the face of all logic. Why layer the fees on to ordinary users that could be sending Bitcoin to their mom or their sick cousin? Why not let the merchants carry the cost, since they can write the fees off as a cost-of-doing-business? [16:52]
BigBitz Welcome to VISA/AMEX :) ie; end user does not carry th eburden of Merchant Services Charges [16:52]
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BigBitz however, some refuse to accecpt AMEX based on their larger tx fee. [16:52]
mike_c it's no berkshire vs bitcoin, but there are some basketball bets totalling a few bitcoin going now. not too shabby. [16:53]
BigBitz did the Berkshire bet "get made" ? [16:53]
mike_c well, there was no immaculate conception. how do you mean? [16:55]
BigBitz well was the bet made... [16:56]
BigBitz like confirmed to be have taken place. [16:56]
fluffypony [16:56]
ozbot The Official NeoCities Blog [16:56]
pankkake it's on the bitbet hompepage [16:56]
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BigBitz "internal IP range" .. not sure if serious .. [16:57]
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fluffypony BigBitz: [16:58]
fluffypony they've published the nginx rules [16:58]
BigBitz Haha. [16:58]
BigBitz Epic. [16:58]
BigBitz I like that. [16:58]
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mike_c 04:50:57 mircea_popescu:your blog got 0 comments the past month. << just because your blog doesn't get comments doesn't mean it sucks. [17:05]
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ThickAsThieves I'm here to bitch about fluffypony's coinbase article [17:09]
fluffypony oh lordie [17:10]
mike_c proceed [17:10]
* Apocalyptic grabs some popcorn [17:10]
mike_c perhaps a link first? [17:10]
fluffypony mike_c: [17:10]
ThickAsThieves Well, mostly, you are projecting all your own desires onto a business [17:10]
Apocalyptic mike_c, do you even backlog ? [17:10]
ThickAsThieves Coinbase has not obligation to be anything to you [17:11]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves: the article was triggered by a Bitpay vs. Coinbase discussion on the AMC thread [17:11]
fluffypony so it's in that context [17:11]
mike_c Apocalyptic: i was like an hour before that in catching up. so close :) [17:11]
fluffypony I can preface it with that if it'll help [17:11]
ThickAsThieves you should set it up differently then [17:11]
ThickAsThieves lile"Why I Like BitPay more than Coinbase" [17:12]
ThickAsThieves right now you just sound like a bitter customer who didnt get his way [17:12]
fluffypony yes but then I sound like a Bitpay shill :-P [17:12]
bounce [17:12]
ThickAsThieves i'm not even sure there are any real offenses of coinbase mentioned in your post [17:13]
fluffypony bounce: [17:13]
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Apocalyptic oh yeah the ""high risk transaction" trick [17:13]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves: k I'll adjust it to preface it better [17:14]
Apocalyptic as old as coinbase itself [17:14]
ThickAsThieves "Purposely breaking the Bitcoin model is not only irresponsible, but it gives us insight into what Coinbase is trying to achieve." [17:14]
ThickAsThieves you make that leap [17:14]
bounce "complain to the ceo of bitcoin" [17:14]
ThickAsThieves but never establish their offense [17:14]
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ThickAsThieves because they form a bitcoin/fiat money-changing service they are the devil? [17:14]
mike_c coinbase is only a scam if you treat it like a daytrading exchange. [17:15]
mike_c kinda like if you treat bitbet as a last-second bitcoin faucet. [17:15]
ThickAsThieves yeah you dont trade FX at the airport moneychanger now do you? [17:15]
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fluffypony ThickAsThieves: not in and of itself, no - the problem is that they're building a userbase that is intwined in that ecosystem and will struggle to manage their own wallet [17:16]
fluffypony they're making their users treat Bitcoin payments like PayPal payments [17:16]
ThickAsThieves users are doing it to themselves [17:16]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves: ok well let's contrast the approaches [17:17]
princessnell would you expect those most of those users to use Bitcoin in any other way? [17:17]
fluffypony a Coinbase user buys something on a site that uses Bitpay [17:17]
fluffypony they're presented with a QR code + Bitcoin URI + address [17:17]
fluffypony presumably + BIP 70 in the future [17:17]
fluffypony they can still do "wun klick" payments and whatever [17:17]
fluffypony and have the money sucked out their bank account [17:17]
fluffypony and pay their 1% [17:17]
ThickAsThieves also, yknow your Coinbase thinks America is Important section mostly serves as data showing how US is important [17:17]
bounce patent violasion! [17:18]
fluffypony but they're aware of what's happening and where Bitcoin plays a role in the payment process [17:18]
fluffypony vs. a Coinbase customer paying on a Coinbase merchant site [17:18]
fluffypony where it's all magical unicorns denominated in USD and money coming out their bank account [17:19]
mike_c um, who cares? [17:19]
ThickAsThieves maybe a better argument, would be how merchant use of bitcoin is the problem [17:19]
fluffypony mike_c: I'm speaking to a specific point ThickAsThieves raised [17:20]
bounce UnicornCoin, only valid in combination with RainbowCoin [17:20]
ThickAsThieves yeah my point wa a customer can make as many sacrfices as they like to protect their own convenieneces [17:20]
ThickAsThieves with the convenience be speed, false sense of security, or ignorance as bliss [17:21]
mike_c yes, i think i'm following, but who cares if a user <-> coinbase <-> coinbase merchant transaction doesn't scream bitcoin? [17:21]
ThickAsThieves whether the convenience* [17:21]
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mike_c "Since Coinbase has had their merchant tools rolled out since December 5th, 2012 it’s safe to say that they’re not a new startup." [17:22]
princessnell yr absolutely right about the cultural problems that the convenience creates [17:22]
mike_c uh.. 1.5 years is pretty dang new :) [17:22]
bounce [17:22]
princessnell but i wonder if many (most?) coinbase users would have it any other way [17:23]
ThickAsThieves princessnell, but what's the flipside? a common cure for stupid? [17:23]
fluffypony mike_c: well, isn't part of the entire point of Bitcoin that "he who holds the keys holds the coins"? in other words, users should be encouraged to use Bitcoin in that fashion, anything else (webwallets) deviates from that core principle [17:23]
ThickAsThieves there's no "point" of bitcoin [17:23]
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ThickAsThieves it's a thing [17:23]
ThickAsThieves it has no intention [17:24]
ThickAsThieves people can use it how they like [17:24]
bounce what, no "take the world by storm"? [17:24]
mike_c it's cash in your pocket vs. your bank account. cash in your pocket is a convience and subject to mugging. [17:24]
princessnell ThickAsThieves: moonsteads! [17:24]
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princessnell (how do you tag someone by name on IRC?) [17:24]
mike_c you just did [17:24]
bounce no cash in pocket means chip&pin which in turn exposes the entire checking account [17:25]
fluffypony mike_c: I can't agree with that analogy [17:25]
princessnell heh, easy. thanks. [17:25]
princessnell i think shaming coinbase et al is appropriate. but i think this is a structural problem with demand. [17:25]
fluffypony I don't have a better one, but that's not apt enough [17:25]
mike_c fluffypony: why? that is exactly how i use it. i purchase, move coins to storage, and use CB for random day-to-day purchase/bets. [17:25]
mike_c and basically fully expect someday my balance on CB won't be there. [17:26]
ThickAsThieves CB serves certain purposes [17:26]
ThickAsThieves and that's okay [17:27]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves: I'm going to pull the article for the moment, I'll revisit it when I have time, but weekend is almost here [17:27]
princessnell right. but it does prime people in a problematic way. [17:27]
mike_c wha?? why would you pull an article that is generating debate? [17:27]
ThickAsThieves princessnell i dont think "priming" people should be a concern of coinbase necessarily [17:28]
ThickAsThieves nor am i sure it's even relevent [17:28]
princessnell ThickAsThieves no, of course not. they are a profit seeking business. [17:28]
Apocalyptic fluffypony, don't pull it just because TAT is being a coinbase shill [17:28]
ThickAsThieves haha [17:28]
fluffypony lol [17:28]
fluffypony no no [17:28]
ThickAsThieves yeah dont pull it [17:28]
princessnell i think path dependencies are relevant [17:28]
fluffypony I want to make my arguments clearer [17:28]
ThickAsThieves i just think it was a shot from the hip [17:28]
ThickAsThieves with better aim you might hit something [17:28]
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* fluffypony nods [17:29]
fluffypony ok I'll leave it up and then publish an updated one when I get a chance [17:29]
Apocalyptic for me it's beyond doubt coinbase is scaming with their high risk tx bullshit [17:29]
mike_c fluffypony: leave it as is, and tell TaT to comment on it if he doesn't like it [17:29]
mike_c then respond to the comment [17:29]
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mike_c then you have a post and a lively comment section! [17:30]
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ThickAsThieves we're regulating how to properly take criticism now [17:30]
ThickAsThieves lol [17:30]
mike_c meta-criticism [17:30]
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fluffypony ThickAsThieves is too lazy to comment [17:30]
fluffypony :-P [17:30]
ThickAsThieves well why comment on an article that might change! [17:30]
ThickAsThieves ;) [17:31]
mike_c if your blog posts don't make people mad you end up with no comments. [17:31]
ThickAsThieves really i spoke up, and here, because i care [17:31]
ThickAsThieves i was like no fluffy, no! [17:31]
fluffypony awwwww [17:31]
fluffypony such love <3 [17:31]
fluffypony ok ok, I'll make my points clearer [17:31]
fluffypony *when* I get a chance [17:32]
fluffypony and then you can comment on that new article [17:32]
Apocalyptic i was like no fluffy, no! // i like dem fluffy [17:32]
ThickAsThieves next article: "TAT is the worst merchanty payment processor article critic ever" [17:33]
fluffypony ha hhah [17:33]
fluffypony evar [17:33]
Naphex pff [17:33]
Naphex whats wrong with DNS [17:33]
Naphex and vetting it through bitcoin sig [17:33]
fluffypony dat low-res header pic [17:34]
ThickAsThieves whats wrong is it doesnt inject a new point of failure for the NSA to fuck with [17:34]
ThickAsThieves "y keeping the chain code hidden behind the server, we get unlinkability. " [17:35]
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Naphex what i proposed and had a working example [17:35]
ThickAsThieves "If the chain code ever leaks then all your payments become linkable." [17:35]
Naphex is BIp32 hd pub keys, ecdsa signed with root address, then assigned [17:35]
Naphex everything in that article is then solved [17:35]
ThickAsThieves "First problem: stealth address usage bloats the block chain." fucking hell already [17:35]
fluffypony Naphex: so push it as a BIP and get comments on it [17:36]
Naphex i am shit at writing docs, better at writing and talking through code [17:36]
Naphex :( [17:36]
fluffypony Naphex: BIPs don't need much in way of documentation [17:36]
fluffypony and once it's up other people will contribute to it [17:36]
ThickAsThieves Hearn is on a mission to solve solved problems [17:36]
fluffypony (the documentatio, I mean) [17:36]
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Naphex meh i'll reset up my example with bip32 [17:37]
bounce what's on about this time? don't have a tablet so I'm too square to access their hipsteriffic site. [17:37]
thestringpuller ThickAsThieves: lets record a bitcoin rap album [17:37]
Naphex and get some comments [17:37]
Naphex see where it goes [17:37]
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ThickAsThieves bitcoin can't rap [17:38]
thestringpuller i bet MPOE-PR could rap [17:38]
fluffypony I'll rap - I mean, I did say on the AMC thread that I was "dropping the mic" [17:38]
fluffypony so restekp. [17:38]
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thestringpuller Fine ThickAsThieves i'll get some producers myself and make my own bitcoin mix tape :P [17:39]
ThickAsThieves i've heard, with my own ears, "bitcoin" rapped in this studio in lyrics, it was embarassing [17:39]
ThickAsThieves you cant sound cool rapping bitcoin [17:39]
ThickAsThieves instant shill status [17:39]
fluffypony ok so what we do is get some samples and rhyming couples recorded [17:39]
thestringpuller Got so much crypto wealth, its bad fo niggas health. [17:39]
fluffypony and then we hook it up to a "listen to bitcoin" style service [17:40]
thestringpuller Boom [17:40]
thestringpuller i bet even Kanye could make that sound dope [17:40]
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ThickAsThieves well mainstream rappers are shills mostly [17:40]
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fluffypony "[16:40:06] buZz: i noticed orgcoin even has quadminingpools" [17:40]
fluffypony mergedmining lulz [17:40]
ThickAsThieves hi gais, i'm trying to quantum mine, which pool should i use/ [17:41]
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fluffypony one that supports 4 coins at the same time! [17:41]
thestringpuller ThickAsThieves: who is your favorite rapper? [17:41]
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ThickAsThieves i probably dont have 1 specific 1 [17:42]
ThickAsThieves i like Killer Mike [17:42]
ThickAsThieves Pharcyde [17:42]
ThickAsThieves Dres from Black Sheep [17:42]
thestringpuller damn you old [17:43]
ThickAsThieves older Kid Cudi [17:43]
fluffypony lol [17:43]
ThickAsThieves i liek some new people [17:43]
ThickAsThieves Action Bronson [17:43]
ThickAsThieves I like some Schoolboy Q [17:43]
ThickAsThieves Kdot [17:44]
ThickAsThieves some Wale stuff is cool [17:44]
thestringpuller I think my favorite rapper of all time is Curren$y [17:44]
thestringpuller closely followed by Jay-Z [17:44]
thestringpuller then Big Daddy Kane [17:44]
ThickAsThieves yeah i like Jat Z's second half of his career [17:44]
ThickAsThieves Jay* [17:45]
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ThickAsThieves but i like diff rappers for diff reasons [17:45]
Naphex ICE CUBE [17:45]
ThickAsThieves like Jay Z's lyrics can be pretty lame [17:45]
thestringpuller I honestly think Curren$y would hang out in #bitcoin-assets if he was in bitcoin [17:45]
ThickAsThieves but his delivery is on point [17:45]
Naphex ICE CUBE [17:45]
pankkake xzibit likes merged mining [17:46]
ThickAsThieves Kid Cudi sings all his raps, but much replayability [17:46]
thestringpuller That's only cause you like Friday Naphex [17:46]
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thestringpuller "Hold on lemme find my lighter...*lighter sound* The engine in the back of my car, I'm clearly in a different tax bracket now dawg" [17:48]
Naphex :)) [17:48]
thestringpuller Wale made a line just for me "Money got me pulling strings, I got that Geppetto dough" [17:49]
Naphex nah i'm just oldschool :D [17:49]
* ThickAsThieves ponders a "Buy TAT a joint" bitcoin tip button for Amsterdam liveblog. [17:51]
fluffypony good idea [17:55]
thestringpuller fluffypony [17:55]
thestringpuller sounds like a stuffed animal [17:56]
fluffypony thestringpuller: [17:56]
thestringpuller SFW? [17:56]
ThickAsThieves yes [17:56]
ThickAsThieves I see tim-tams is going interviewing in Ams too [17:56]
thestringpuller Tim Tams? [17:57]
fluffypony thestringpuller: yes, it's a stuffed animal :) [17:57]
ThickAsThieves some guy that was in the logs earlier [17:57]
ThickAsThieves soliciting for "sponsorships" [17:57]
thestringpuller ;;gettrust fluffypony [17:57]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user fluffypony: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Sat Apr 6 08:20:32 2013 [17:57]
fluffypony not authed? [17:58]
* fluffypony kicks gribble [17:58]
thestringpuller ;;ident [17:58]
gribble Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None [17:58]
fluffypony ;;ident [17:59]
gribble Nick 'fluffypony', with hostmask 'fluffypony!', is identified as user 'fluffypony', with GPG key id 7455C5E3C0CDCEB9, key fingerprint BDA6BD7042B721C467A9759D7455C5E3C0CDCEB9, and bitcoin address 1FAvFCgXBmJ4uV3p1NFzWkkyndH7FJ6Vzx [17:59]
fluffypony fixed [17:59]
thestringpuller damn i've been in #bitcoin-assets a long time [17:59]
thestringpuller 2012 [17:59]
thestringpuller how does time fly? [17:59]
thestringpuller ThickAsThieves wtf, am I going to become old like you? [18:00]
pankkake how old are you? [18:00]
thestringpuller 26 [18:01]
thestringpuller dob '88 [18:01]
thestringpuller : [18:01]
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fluffypony wow [18:02]
fluffypony I miss my 20s [18:02]
thestringpuller i will too! [18:02]
pankkake I'm clinging to them [18:02]
thestringpuller they are flying before my eyes [18:02]
thestringpuller like what the actual fuck [18:02]
thestringpuller i don't want to turn into a cranky old man this soon like MP [18:03]
fluffypony lol [18:03]
thestringpuller i want to spend some time being irresponsible ~_~ [18:03]
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pankkake there's no age to be a curmudgeon [18:03]
ThickAsThieves <+thestringpuller> ThickAsThieves wtf, am I going to become old like you? /// you will never be as old as me, sorry [18:03]
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ThickAsThieves "This is a holiday when all-conquering patriotic force triumphs, when we all feel especially strongly what it means to be true to the Motherland and how important it is to be able to stand up for its interests" "Hurrah!" ~ Guess who said that and when. [18:27]
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mike_c stalin? either that, or putin said it yesterday? [18:32]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves: Obama? [18:32]
fluffypony :-P [18:32]
mike_c US doesn't have a word for motherland though. [18:32]
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davout mike_c: wat [18:34]
mike_c wat wat [18:34]
davout that's like saying the french don't have a word for entrepreneur [18:34]
ThickAsThieves mike_c, yes putin this week [18:34]
mike_c w00t, i win [18:34]
davout i mean you're saying english doesn't have a word for X, where X is a word, that doesn't sound like you just made it up [18:35]
mike_c davout: well, what i mean is the US doesn't have a word that they use like russia uses motherland [18:35]
davout I IS CONFUSED [18:35]
davout hm [18:35]
ThickAsThieves well, nation [18:35]
ThickAsThieves or, pursuit of happines [18:36]
ThickAsThieves s [18:36]
pankkake I thought it was Murica [18:36]
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fluffypony MURKA world polices! [18:38]
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jurov isn't it homeland? [18:56]
ThickAsThieves aha! [18:56]
ThickAsThieves yes [18:56]
ThickAsThieves or heartland [18:56]
ThickAsThieves is another [18:56]
ThickAsThieves [18:56]
ozbot Ross Sisters - A Crazy Dance Video From 1944 (Watch After 1:00) - YouTube [18:56]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.71915056 BTC to 8`652 shares, 31428 satoshi per share [19:00]
ThickAsThieves how did that gay kid fare in th nfl draft? [19:00]
ThickAsThieves i guess he isnt picked yet [19:01]
ThickAsThieves "am, who came out in February, is projected to be selected Saturday -- the third day of the NFL draft. Although his marketability is likely to be tied heavily to making a team and playing well, he has received dozens of endorsement deal offers, which is unprecedented for an expected late-round pick." [19:03]
ThickAsThieves Sam* [19:03]
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ThickAsThieves to you developers, what you do you do when you are 3yrs deep with an uncompleted large project, and the last 20% seems to be when most of the time was spent on? When you also know you can't use this team long-term, even after it's completed? [19:07]
mike_c well, first off, the last 20% is always where the time is spent [19:08]
ThickAsThieves sure, but this was on schedule to be completed 2 yrs ago [19:08]
mike_c so you're 1.8 yrs late in firing them? [19:08]
ThickAsThieves maybe, it's not me calling the shots [19:09]
ThickAsThieves but i can influence [19:09]
ThickAsThieves i think initially the customer wasnt in any rush [19:09]
artifexd ThickAsThieves: The 80/20 problem is not new [19:09]
ThickAsThieves and that turned into this monster [19:09]
mike_c two years late on a one year project is bad management. [19:09]
pankkake is the 20% the actual, vital stuff? [19:09]
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ThickAsThieves yeah [19:10]
ThickAsThieves permissions for users and such [19:10]
pankkake sounds like it should have been the first thing to do [19:10]
artifexd Are the slacking, losing focus, or incompetent? [19:10]
ThickAsThieves i think they use foreigners so the tasks arent clearly communicated [19:10]
ThickAsThieves nothing new has been added to the plate [19:11]
ThickAsThieves it's just half-assing the requirements [19:11]
ThickAsThieves then pretending they didnt understand [19:11]
pankkake there is a chance the thing is worthless; it might have appeared to work, but there's not much inside [19:11]
ThickAsThieves i think another issue is the provider vastly underestimated the work [19:11]
ThickAsThieves but agreed to flat fee [19:11]
ThickAsThieves so it became low priority or something [19:11]
artifexd Sounds like it is time to find new developers and revisit your requirements. The may need some breaking down/clarification. [19:12]
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ThickAsThieves i dunno i used the software some and it mostly works, it's just cleanup [19:12]
ThickAsThieves but even cleanup is taking months [19:12]
artifexd Do you have the source code for what they have done so far? What does the contract say about non-completion? [19:12]
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Naphex <+ThickAsThieves> to you developers, what you do you do when you are 3yrs deep with an uncompleted large project, and the last 20% seems to be when most of the time was spent on? When you also know you can't use this team [19:12]
Naphex long-term, even after it's completed? << [19:12]
ThickAsThieves right [19:12]
Naphex <<< Bring in the heavy artillery [19:12]
ThickAsThieves like i had plans to grow this thing afterward [19:13]
Naphex bring in the experts, and a project manager that has a history as a drill sargent [19:13]
ThickAsThieves we do have the source so far [19:13]
ThickAsThieves current programming is done on our server [19:14]
ThickAsThieves it's online education/training [19:14]
Naphex <+ThickAsThieves> but even cleanup is taking months << why is the cleanup taking so long? [19:14]
ThickAsThieves i think we are on the backburner [19:14]
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ThickAsThieves it's for a family business, but i havent been the manager of it [19:16]
ThickAsThieves just in the loop somewhat [19:16]
Naphex ah well, when i used to pick up dieing projects [19:16]
Naphex i went in, identified root problems, identified what the customer, client needs to realease [19:17]
ThickAsThieves this is actually the 3rd or 4th team we had on it, the previous one were all worse [19:17]
ThickAsThieves every team wants to start over [19:17]
Naphex are you using freelancers? or outsourcing companies? [19:17]
Naphex if every team wants to start over it might just be too shitty [19:18]
ThickAsThieves they purport to be a team, a business [19:18]
pankkake they probably want to start over for good reasons [19:18]
ThickAsThieves but i think they are just outsourcers now [19:18]
ThickAsThieves probably, but at some point someone has to fucking finish something [19:18]
Naphex the starting over thing, there is where the problems lie [19:18]
pankkake I've only refused one project, and my colleague refused it too, because there wasn't much to be saved, and fixing it would cost more than doing it again [19:18]
ThickAsThieves thats why its hard to let go [19:19]
Naphex it might just be too shitty of a code+architecture to work productively in [19:19]
ThickAsThieves since we already started over several times [19:19]
Naphex i've had clients picked up who used very very shitty platforms, which ended up beeing very succesful [19:19]
Naphex then all the problems started, while working in their code base was just a waste of time [19:19]
Naphex and any new feature they wanted to add might take more then 1 month [19:20]
Naphex i wanted to start over, refused when they denied. after 1 year [19:20]
Naphex the code, the platform was just too shitty to waste any good programmers time on it [19:20]
bounce sometimes you do need to start over. though not as often (and often not when) dev teams want to start over [19:20]
Naphex -- 30k~ clients, 5-6k deliveries daily [19:21]
pankkake bounce: lol, yeah. we wanted to start over on our own code for a project, but it was still manageable, albeit painful [19:21]
bounce amazingly, still so many project managers that haven't read _The Mythical Man-Month_ [19:22]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [19:22]
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ThickAsThieves the idea was to make this software, polish it and add features for 6mos in use for grade school education, then further develop it by making it more robust for other types of training (i have/had clients in areas like haxardous material transportation certs, etc), then once it seems ready, make it a DIY SaaS monthly fee website thing [19:23]
ThickAsThieves years of work [19:24]
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ThickAsThieves in that sense a rewrite is probably inevitable huh [19:25]
thestringpuller isn't that what Khan Academy does? [19:25]
ThickAsThieves no [19:25]
ThickAsThieves the idea is for any person or company to be able to use it to build training [19:26]
pankkake ? [19:26]
ozbot Moodle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [19:26]
ThickAsThieves pretty much [19:26]
ThickAsThieves we actually use Moodle for one portion of students [19:26]
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benkay it's kinda hard to move the custom designd thigner into a multitenant deploy generally, ThickAsThieves [19:27]
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pankkake perhaps building around Moodle, with people who actually know Moodle, would get better results [19:27]
benkay unless it was designed to do that from the get-go, but from the sounds of it it's kind of a mess in the first place. [19:27]
ThickAsThieves i dont think moodle licence would allow for the master plan though [19:27]
pankkake benkay: depends on how dirty you want it to be :D [19:28]
benkay then there is the 'shoehorn existing software into my problemspace' thing going on as well it sounds [19:28]
benkay pankkake: url-encode everything and throw away the method. [19:28]
pankkake GPLv3 should be ok, it's not AGPL [19:28]
ThickAsThieves well it was more organic than that of course [19:28]
ThickAsThieves they had a custom thing some freelancer made [19:29]
ThickAsThieves and Moodle [19:29]
ThickAsThieves so they had two systems [19:29]
* bounce spent a few weeks refactoring a fantastically bad code base. was sort-of fun, if you like a lot of mindless drudgery. lots of condensing copy/pasted code, but also coming up with interfaces to safely re-do (in less code) what's already there giving the same result with less spaghetti. and then slowly "factor up". [19:29]
ThickAsThieves which made dev of either one awkward [19:29]
ThickAsThieves and they wanted one system [19:29]
bounce that sort of thing goes best when the code is a particular kind of stupid: lots of repetition, lots of hooks to revamp. [19:29]
ThickAsThieves later came the ideas of SaaS [19:29]
ThickAsThieves there's more need than you might initially realize for a customizable education software [19:31]
ThickAsThieves orgs get really particular about grading systems and features they need [19:31]
ThickAsThieves in the SaaS version you [19:31]
ThickAsThieves 'd be able to customize such [19:31]
benkay sounds like you'd want to preserve your ability to deliver features fast and on budget at all costs. [19:32]
ThickAsThieves well we have yet to encounter a team that can assist, finding one is not easy when you have no reliable connections into better breeds of programminig teams [19:33]
benkay man this story is so familiar. non technical stakeholder dictates that a particular already-built thinger be used despite knowing nothing about its architecture or code quality or the ability of development teams to work against the existing codebase. thinger is either a mess or takes 6 months for an individual to come up to speed on the nuances/idiocies of, but project already has thinger built in. [19:33]
ThickAsThieves nor quite the ability to confidently discern between them [19:33]
benkay yeah that's the really rough part of the problem [19:34]
benkay not being able to qualify tech teams [19:34]
benkay that's brutal, man. [19:34]
benkay Magento's a really good example of this. you start a business selling shit online, you're all "hey magento! it's awesome and does everything i need!" then you want to hire someone to do work on your magento install and lolololololol either you hire kids who are learning php on the fly and they do god knows what to your install or you hire actual magento devs at 400+/hr [19:35]
thestringpuller "If you want nice things you have to pay for them" [19:36]
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benkay i worked at a shop once that charged an ungodly amount of money to migrate another large ecom hustler from magento community to magento pro [19:36]
ThickAsThieves the idea of an open source cart always scared me anyway [19:36]
benkay ebay staff didn't think it was even POSSIBLE. but we did it. [19:36]
benkay cost...too much. probably more than writing a cms/ecom platform ourselves woulda. [19:37]
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benkay but client didn't care to pay for a new stack - would rather throw 4x as much at the old stack. [19:37]
ThickAsThieves note that this point is off on a tangent [19:38]
benkay yeah sorry [19:38]
ThickAsThieves there's no new expense for this current iteration [19:38]
ThickAsThieves other than time passing [19:38]
ThickAsThieves they make progress, it's just painfully slow [19:38]
ThickAsThieves but now Moodle is way out of date and missing features they really want [19:39]
ThickAsThieves so they wanna pay someone to handle that [19:39]
ThickAsThieves because no idea when custom system will be ready [19:39]
benkay fixing upstream bugs? [19:40]
bounce teach'em to swim [19:41]
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ThickAsThieves ? [19:41]
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benkay blackwhite! welcome back [19:47]
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blackwhite thanks [19:50]
benkay how've you been? [19:52]
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mircea_popescu bounce: [19:57]
mircea_popescu apple do know how to be cool and hip and things, or at least jobs managed to hit the nail on the head an ungodly long tim << that's it. apple is now reduced to the position of rich old guy trying to buy the company of the hip young things in the hopes it'll attract the teenage pussy it's after. [19:57]
benkay hola JorgePasada [19:57]
mircea_popescu Naphex: sorry i meant a severly limited computer which you can use too buy more apple shit << exactly. in point of fact nobody actually wants an apple anything. [19:59]
mircea_popescu they just temporarily thought they did. [19:59]
asciilifeform obligatory: [20:00]
asciilifeform [20:00]
ozbot Loper OS » Non-Apple’s Mistake [20:00]
asciilifeform (written during a living steve j) [20:00]
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mircea_popescu and re "executive"'s move to apple : the point of sad fact is that actual executive power moved from the us to china in this interval. the ever swelling headcount of ever more powerless and pointless us based pseudo-executives have chosen to temporarily drown the realisation of their loss [20:01]
mircea_popescu in changing a functional workstation for a severely crippled, difficult to use one. [20:01]
mircea_popescu the placebo benefit is fading. [20:01]
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mircea_popescu bounce: kinda interesting. though I probably wouldn't go through the trouble even if I had access to (or need for) those things << exactly. it's sort-of like putting your time into being the best earthworm kinetotherapist. why bother. [20:04]
ThickAsThieves [20:04]
ThickAsThieves 71 voters participated, 31 abstained [20:05]
asciilifeform apple vacuuming up winblows escapees is not the complete picture. they also profited from the demise of sun, sgi, etc. - being the only remaining vendor of what amounts to '90-style 'unix workstation' [20:05]
asciilifeform (in the sense of the hardware and os baked under same roof) [20:06]
mircea_popescu mike_c: [20:06]
mircea_popescu 04:50:57 mircea_popescu:your blog got 0 comments the past month. << just because your blog doesn't get comments doesn't mean it sucks. << no, but it also doesn't mean you can "get my name out there" [20:06]
mike_c oh yes, no argument there. [20:06]
benkay y'all apple haters miss the part where they make the best laptop chassis in the world. [20:07]
mike_c benkay: have you ever picked up an apple server? it weighs 200 lbs for no good reason. [20:07]
mircea_popescu fluffypony: so it's in that context << you have to include your context in your blogposts. that's why mine end up ungodly long soimetimes, you want a reader falling on it ten years later to still get a whole meal. [20:07]
benkay mike_c: who buys apple servers?! [20:07]
mircea_popescu benkay i didn't fuck a woman last night, tho she was giving me the fuck me eyes. she had the best ears in the world. [20:08]
mircea_popescu ya know ? [20:08]
mike_c mm, desktops might have been a better word choice. and designers do. [20:08]
asciilifeform benkay: as described in my post (linked earlier.) it is easiest to ignore apple when one has no need for portable computer (i think it was mp, and a few others, who noted that they never needed a laptop) [20:08]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform my laptop has a car. [20:08]
benkay y'all are in the fortunate position of having offices. [20:08]
asciilifeform lol [20:08]
benkay give me a year. [20:08]
asciilifeform then you have 3 offices. back to laptops. [20:09]
ThickAsThieves i do all my programming on tablet [20:09]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves you program nao ? [20:09]
ThickAsThieves no [20:10]
benkay he trollin [20:10]
ThickAsThieves other than hacking apart html and css to make websites look different sometimes [20:10]
mircea_popescu that's scripting [20:10]
asciilifeform 'condemned to program for life, at Her Majesty's pleasure' [20:10]
ThickAsThieves but yeah i was trolling [20:10]
ThickAsThieves even scripting is too gracious a term for it [20:11]
mircea_popescu fluffypony so should i bother to read this thing or just wait for 2038 ? [20:11]
ThickAsThieves it's like editing variables [20:11]
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mircea_popescu thickasscriptkiddies [20:12]
ThickAsThieves you spelled crypt wrongly [20:12]
mircea_popescu [20:12]
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fluffypony mircea_popescu: Read it, the more opinions the better [20:12]
fluffypony Out for supper, will catch up in a bit [20:12]
ThickAsThieves new-user count is up 50% in 5 days. Almost ready to IPVO! [20:14]
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mike_c mircea_popescu: did you miss paying out a small dividend on s.bbet last month? [20:31]
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mircea_popescu mike_c no ? [20:32]
jurov O.o [20:33]
jurov no ozbot? "In Toronto with the world’s feminist pornographers" [20:33]
mike_c hm. btcalpha accountants think that no div was paid last month, and 0.250730601 BTC should've been paid to shares on mpex. [20:33]
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mike_c of course, that's 9 digits after the decimal, so they can't really be trusted. [20:34]
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ozbot BitBet, March 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [20:35]
jurov mike_c mpex dividends are really paid to 18 digits of accuracy [20:35]
mike_c ;;calc (1.19395524 - 0.35818657) * 0.3 [20:35]
gribble 0.250730601 [20:35]
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jurov just rouded to satoshi at the last possible moment [20:35]
mircea_popescu mike_c "Because MPEx shareholders were paid 3.68215306 BTC instead of the 1.10464591 BTC they were actually due for February, 30% of profits going forward will be allocated to covering that credit, in lieu of MPEx dividends. This sum comes to 0.99104946 BTC this current period, leaving the credit to be covered in following months at 1.22827111 BTC." [20:35]
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mircea_popescu what 1.19 ? [20:36]
mike_c 30% goes to mistake, 70% should go to divs, yes? [20:36]
mircea_popescu the 30% that normally goes to mpex shareholders goes towards the credit [20:37]
jurov and the rest goes where? [20:37]
mircea_popescu nowhere [20:37]
mike_c ah, i get it [20:37]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves:there's no "point" of bitcoin << he has a point [20:38]
mircea_popescu Apocalyptic: for me it's beyond doubt coinbase is scaming with their high risk tx bullshit << he also has a point. [20:39]
mike_c jurov: 18 digits. you know way too much about mpex. [20:39]
mircea_popescu Naphex: whats wrong with DNS << that you didn't document your thing. [20:41]
jurov mike_c: i don't know nearly as much as i wish [20:41]
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jurov but anyway, the correct formula to compute your divs is [20:42]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves: you cant sound cool rapping bitcoin << i could pull it off. [20:42]
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jurov for MPOE: round_to_satoshi(99.77743063/500000000*) [20:43]
jurov where the 500000000 is a "float" sometimes obscure even for MP himself [20:44]
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jurov and _no_ other rounding is done, so the dividend is not a whole number of satoshi [20:45]
jurov despite being published as such [20:45]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves: well, nation << he's right davout_ mike_c. the us uses "nation" like "our great nation" "defending the nation" etc. [20:46]
mircea_popescu homeland is reviled from what i can see [20:47]
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Naphex mircea_popescu: yeah i'll get some time to document it and make some examples. [20:47]
pankkake well, homeland security [20:47]
Naphex mircea_popescu: but guess what, emag is delivering my shizz woop:D [20:47]
asciilifeform u.s. uses 'nation' sorta like the comblok folks used 'people's republic' [20:47]
asciilifeform a kind of 'aspirational' tag [20:47]
pankkake the French might use Patrie, which is like the motherland but with a penis [20:47]
asciilifeform vaterland. [20:47]
jurov so mike_c at least you can publish the correct dividend per share when mircea neglects to [20:47]
ozbot S.MPOE Analysis - Btc Alpha [20:47]
mircea_popescu Naphex maybe they idle here. [20:48]
asciilifeform ~= отечество [20:48]
asciilifeform rus. has both words [20:48]
Naphex mircea_popescu: probably, because before ranting about it here they couldn't find my paiments :)) [20:48]
Naphex payments even:P [20:48]
asciilifeform ('родина' ~= motherland) [20:48]
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mircea_popescu what happens when the fatherland and the motherland get in bed ? [20:49]
asciilifeform lol! [20:49]
jurov the div was exactly 19.955486126 satoshi per share [20:49]
asciilifeform (note the traditional engl. mistranslation of the russian term for ww2 - 'great patriotic war' - really, ' [20:49]
asciilifeform 'великая отечественная война' -> great fatherlandic war [20:49]
mike_c why not a 7 at the end? [20:50]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves: just in the loop somewhat << prolly time to start grepping clients from hell for recognisable specifics. [20:50]
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mike_c given profit was 199.55486127 [20:50]
jurov mircea_popescu: really, you tolerate almost 5% reporting error? [20:50]
mircea_popescu jurov hm ? [20:51]
jurov you publish dividend as 19 satoshi [20:51]
mircea_popescu May 09 14:23:57 [MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 99.77743063 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 19 satoshi per share [20:51]
jurov but it was exactly 19.955486126 satoshi per share [20:51]
mircea_popescu so ? [20:51]
mircea_popescu it truncates. [20:52]
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jurov you report truncated value that is 5% off from reality [20:52]
mircea_popescu a truncated value is truncated. [20:52]
mircea_popescu if the dividend was 0.9 it'd be reported as 0 [20:52]
mircea_popescu calculating the % off from reality left as an exercise to the commenter. [20:52]
Naphex [20:53]
jurov i know that's lost cause, hopefully at least mike_c starts reporting things right. [20:53]
pankkake "Now that a highly controversial figure has been elected" who? [20:53]
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pankkake eh, first comment "Can we request the Bitcoin Foundation remove itself?" [20:54]
mircea_popescu pankkake: they probably want to start over for good reasons << like getting paid. [20:54]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves seriously, my call is that you've been identified as pork, and you are being farmed. [20:54]
asciilifeform ;;google a pig like that you don't eat all at once [20:57]
gribble (8147761) A pig like that, you don't eat all at once: ; The Famous Pig - Animal Jokes - Jokes Place!: ; The Best Joke I Can Tell In Sports Illustrated - 04.11.05 - SI Vault: (1 more message) [20:57]
mike_c jurov: my only hesitation is that i would have to maintain "how many shares are held on mpex" for each symbol so i could do my own calculations. for example, what's that number for f.mpif? [20:57]
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jurov mike_c i envy you the luxury to hesitate about it [20:58]
mircea_popescu mike_c you can just pick up assbot's announcements i guess [20:58]
mike_c assbot announces divs? [20:58]
jurov yes, grep for [PAID] [20:58]
mircea_popescu i just quioted it above dood [20:58]
mircea_popescu [20:58]
ozbot Young children could face bullying charges in city - Yahoo News [20:58]
mircea_popescu how the fuck can someone purport to raise children in the us. [20:59]
mircea_popescu if my kids didn't bully the loser kids i'd slit their throat with my own fucking hand [20:59]
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asciilifeform probably in the same city where cats were forbidden to devour birds. [21:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 88.10217657 BTC to 80`673 shares, 109209 satoshi per share [21:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 302 @ 0.00089843 = 0.2713 BTC [+] {2} [21:02]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform no, actually, in the city where black people burn down the downtown if the wrong team wins whatever game [21:02]
mircea_popescu it's so hypocritical it bleeds. [21:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 325 @ 0.00089871 = 0.2921 BTC [+] {4} [21:03]
fluffypony bounce:amazingly, still so many project managers that haven't read _The Mythical Man-Month_ <- they should have that as required reading in school, yo [21:04]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [21:04]
mircea_popescu fluffypony yw. [21:04]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.041 = 0.205 BTC [-] {2} [21:04]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: tks [21:04]
fluffypony hah hah [21:05]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: afaik the 'bully' crap is mostly 'concern trolling', schoolboys are not yet jailed en masse for using their fists [21:05]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 11 @ 0.041 = 0.451 BTC [-] [21:05]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform who knows by now. [21:05]
mircea_popescu i've tried this experiment, if you clench your fists and make for any twentysomething, they'll put their hands over their head and stop sobbing [21:06]
mircea_popescu s/stop/start/ [21:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 102 @ 0.07254763 = 7.3999 BTC [-] {10} [21:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 11 @ 0.041 = 0.451 BTC [-] [21:06]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: wait what, lol! in Ro ? [21:06]
mircea_popescu considering how chickenshitty they grow up, there must be something unnatural happening to them in school. [21:06]
mircea_popescu yes in ro. [21:07]
mike_c <+mircea_popescu> asciilifeform no, actually, in the city where black people burn down the downtown if the wrong team wins whatever game << well, you know, maybe they had a big bet on the game :D [21:07]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.041 = 0.82 BTC [-] [21:07]
mircea_popescu mike_c im sure they did. five car wheels and a baggie o crystalz. [21:07]
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asciilifeform more interestingly, sometimes (at least in 'college towns') there is chaos if... the 'right' team wins. celebratory riot. [21:08]
mircea_popescu that's with fucking tho neh ? [21:08]
mike_c i know right? like tearing down goal posts [21:08]
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mircea_popescu princessnell maybe go in #freenode and ask for a cloak ? [21:08]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26115 @ 0.00088688 = 23.1609 BTC [+] [21:09]
Naphex real men use real hosts:D [21:09]
Naphex hehe [21:09]
asciilifeform mike_c: over here, they sometimes celebrate by wrecking shop windows, lighting fires in the road, etc. but a public and ostentatious mass police beating put a bit of a pause in this 'colourful tradition' - at least, for now. [21:09]
pankkake Naphex: exactly [21:10]
mike_c asciilifeform: NYPD doesn't put up with that crap either [21:10]
fluffypony benkay:Magento's a really good example of this. <- this is so freakin' true. Even worse are when they pay for a ton of dev work on Magento Community Edition and then move to Magento Enterprise, and basically have to re-engineer and re-do all the work [21:10]
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mircea_popescu omfg he deleted my comment [21:13]
mircea_popescu CENSORSHEEP [21:13]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0770001 = 0.77 BTC [+] [21:14]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: I haven't [21:15]
fluffypony it's "pending approval" [21:15]
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mircea_popescu a my cookie died ? [21:15]
fluffypony I'm just too lazy to login to my moderation thing [21:15]
mircea_popescu mk [21:15]
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fluffypony normally it sends an email and I can reply to the mail to approve [21:15]
fluffypony but no mail yet, so I'll login and approve it later [21:15]
pankkake I was able to see it with the link [21:15]
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mircea_popescu o look, she got a cloak too [21:19]
Apocalyptic dem girls know to IRC nao [21:20]
mircea_popescu [21:20]
ozbot The Official NeoCities Blog [21:20]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: I linked to that hours ago, yo [21:21]
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fluffypony [21:21]
ozbot #bitcoin-assets log [21:21]
punkman so that guy was selling mining contracts without having anything: "Your bought contract NOT started, because our mining rig seller from China not delivered our bought mining rig and we lost our paid 4500 USD." [21:21]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07921715 = 0.1584 BTC [+] [21:21]
fluffypony punkman: "lost" [21:22]
mircea_popescu fluffypony i know, that's where i got it from [21:22]
fluffypony ah ok [21:22]
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mircea_popescu i wanted to make a ocmment, but then i couldn't understand what comment i want to make. [21:23]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.041 = 0.123 BTC [-] {2} [21:23]
mircea_popescu so some random nobody throttled... the access "of fcc" to his random site nobody but you reads ? [21:23]
mircea_popescu that consists mostly of... text ? [21:24]
mircea_popescu i'm not on the right drugs am i. [21:24]
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mircea_popescu " Designed as a 21st century reincarnation of GeoCities, Neocities lets you make your own site for free. And it just might spark a renaissance of creativity online. " [21:25]
mircea_popescu o wait, he takes doge. [21:25]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: their effort isn't the big deal - they published the nginx rules, and there's been a bit of uptake from other sites implementing them [21:25]
fluffypony nothing important [21:25]
mircea_popescu so basically, every failed marketing fucktard in the world has by now flocked to doge coins, as a great example of the "unlimted possibility" and "all that cvould be achieved" for marketing fucktards, in their own opinion. [21:25]
mircea_popescu thats what it is innit [21:25]
fluffypony but who knows, maybe it'll become "a thing", to quote ThickAsThieves :-P [21:25]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6 @ 0.041 = 0.246 BTC [-] {2} [21:25]
mircea_popescu but what'd be the thing ? [21:26]
mircea_popescu i mean, fcc employees aren't supposed to derp on random etsy boutique blogs on their fcc connections anwyay [21:26]
mircea_popescu now if porntube did this... [21:26]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 8 @ 0.041 = 0.328 BTC [-] [21:26]
pankkake indeed: [21:27]
fluffypony I know, it's kinda like the occupy wall street of the Internet :-P [21:27]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 125 @ 0.041 = 5.125 BTC [-] [21:27]
danielpbarron mircea_popescu, do you plan on keeping the price of trilema credits the same forever, or is buying trilema credits an act of shorting BTC? [21:28]
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mircea_popescu danielpbarron wait, aren't those two clauses unrelated ? [21:28]
asciilifeform speaking of derpatronics: there i was, trying to pick up some chair on the cheap, and saw: [21:29]
asciilifeform [21:29]
ozbot Robotics Venture [21:29]
fluffypony s/or/and ? [21:29]
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danielpbarron mircea_popescu, if the price in BTC is going to change as the price of BTC changes, then wouldn't buying credits be like buying into FIAT (shorting BTC)? [21:29]
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danielpbarron oops, price of trilema credits [21:30]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron ah ah. [21:30]
mircea_popescu well imo they're much too cheap atm, so ima not change them a while. [21:30]
danielpbarron if the price of trilema credits in BTC.. [21:30]
asciilifeform trilema credit is probably the life support hose keeping tor alive... [21:30]
mircea_popescu lol [21:31]
danielpbarron right, they are cheap at the moment if you think of it in terms of the current FIAT price of BTC, but they are expensive if you are really long on BTC [21:31]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 450 * 0.01 / 10000 [21:31]
gribble 0.00045 [21:31]
pankkake what, you people don't have ~10 IPv4s on hand? [21:31]
mircea_popescu that can't be right. [21:31]
fluffypony danielpbarron: so take $5, buy Bitcoin in -OTC, buy credits [21:32]
mircea_popescu that is right. holy shit. [21:32]
mircea_popescu well, let's say i won't change the price until btc reaches 1mn each [21:32]
danielpbarron fluffypony, that's not the point; I guess what I mean is: is buying trilema credits like an investment denominated in BTC? [21:32]
fluffypony when btc reaches 1 mil I'm selling stock in my remaining trilema credits [21:32]
fluffypony :-P [21:33]
danielpbarron ^^ [21:33]
mircea_popescu lol [21:33]
danielpbarron good info to know; thank you [21:33]
mircea_popescu people ocasionalyl just want to make a donation, and so i think there are some people with 5 or 10 btc's worht [21:33]
fluffypony danielpbarron: I think the cost is too low to have a measurable impact on one's personal wealth [21:33]
mike_c it's like selling private keys though, doesn't work. you can't enforce that you won't use the cookie after selling. [21:33]
danielpbarron fluffypony, someone could buy way more credits than they need with the plan of selling them in the future [21:34]
mike_c except you can't sell them :) [21:34]
fluffypony I mean, when BTC is at 1mil a pack of Trilema creds will be worth $10k. if you're long on BTC you'll have a net worth an order of magnitude higher than that, so it'll be irrelevant. [21:34]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.1333333 = 0.2667 BTC [-] [21:35]
pankkake you could action the credits [21:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12650 @ 0.00088713 = 11.2222 BTC [+] [21:35]
fluffypony mike_c: you could run a proxy using your cookie [21:35]
pankkake auction* [21:35]
mike_c ok, proxy would work. if the buyer accepts your counterparty risk. [21:35]
fluffypony yesh [21:36]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.03449992 = 0.3105 BTC [+] {5} [21:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0311 = 0.1555 BTC [-] [21:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-] [21:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 7 @ 0.041 = 0.287 BTC [-] {2} [21:36]
pankkake !up wolverineks [21:36]
assbot Voicing wolverineks for 30 minutes. [21:36]
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thestringpuller mircea_popescu: how does one get gpg certified on your blog? [21:36]
fluffypony well when BTC is at 1mil [21:36]
fluffypony it'll cost $450 per view [21:36]
thestringpuller like hanbot [21:36]
danielpbarron that's what I was thinking [21:36]
pankkake oh that's what the icon means? [21:36]
asciilifeform gpg certified? [21:36]
danielpbarron and it would be worth it too [21:36]
fluffypony so I'd imagine selling proxied access will be worthwhile [21:36]
asciilifeform i thought it meant 'employed as cryptographer' [21:37]
thestringpuller oh [21:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 8 @ 0.041 = 0.328 BTC [-] {2} [21:37]
pankkake if I was selling content, I wouldn't want to be the one thinking of the price [21:37]
Apocalyptic i thought it meant 'employed as cryptographer' // wait, hanbot is a cryptographer N [21:37]
pankkake it's actually why I like to sell on auctions: I'm not setting the price [21:37]
danielpbarron if Bitcoin is worth 1000000 USD, a trilema page view probably really is worth 450 USD per view [21:37]
mircea_popescu an order of magnitude << really. [21:37]
mircea_popescu apparently they have large penises AND large orders of magnitude in south africa [21:38]
bounce can't order magnitudes here. [21:38]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller what do you mean gpog certified ? [21:38]
asciilifeform Apocalyptic: wait, hanbot is a cryptographer << i've no idea. possibly. [21:38]
thestringpuller i guess I'm misunderstanding the little key symbol on your blog [21:38]
mircea_popescu oh that. [21:38]
fluffypony colloquialism, bitches: [21:39]
mircea_popescu [21:39]
ozbot Criptograme pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [21:39]
mircea_popescu i had a guess the word contest whatever you call it in english [21:39]
mircea_popescu if you figure out enough of them you get a key [21:39]
thestringpuller Oh. that's neat! [21:39]
thestringpuller thanks answering mircea_popescu [21:39]
asciilifeform lol! [21:39]
mircea_popescu [21:40]
ozbot Criptograma starii lucrurilor celor moi de mijloc. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [21:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20841 @ 0.00088745 = 18.4953 BTC [+] {2} [21:40]
asciilifeform i actually thought it was 'cryptographer / radioman / funker.' [21:40]
mircea_popescu for instance that is "curva nasoala", which means nasty whore [21:40]
bounce [21:40]
ozbot Cryptogram - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [21:40]
mircea_popescu cur (ass) + v nas (nose) oala (pot) [21:40]
Apocalyptic // unrelated [21:40]
ozbot Cryptogram - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [21:40]
Apocalyptic meant to quote bounce [21:41]
thestringpuller lol sorry for derailing the conversation ~_~ [21:41]
bounce huh, different thing that I know by that name [21:41]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'назойливая курва' ! [21:41]
* asciilifeform has been dipping into the slavic influence in Ro. lang. [21:42]
mircea_popescu [21:42]
ozbot Criptograma locosexuala pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [21:42]
mircea_popescu this one is sex in baie (fucking in the bathroom). sec (dry) sin (tit) baie (mine) [21:42]
bounce probably "crossword" then, though that'd depend on the type of clue given [21:42]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah but shorter :D [21:42]
bounce <-- probably this one [21:43]
ozbot Cryptic crossword - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [21:43]
mircea_popescu bounce i guess it'd be "criptograph" or something [21:43]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform fun fact : as far as romanian linguists are concerned, nasol comes as gypsy influence [21:44]
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mircea_popescu and re funker : did i ever link you to my phreakin' da intercom article ? [21:45]
mircea_popescu i must have. [21:45]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not 'nocere' ? [21:46]
asciilifeform (lat) [21:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13107 @ 0.0008865 = 11.6194 BTC [-] {2} [21:46]
asciilifeform or in Ro. the linguists also come from the ducks, who are loaded off the trucks ? [21:46]
pankkake [D!up peterL [21:46]
pankkake !up peterL [21:47]
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pankkake one day, I'll up on the first time [21:47]
peterL thanks pankkake :) [21:47]
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mircea_popescu NASÓL, -OÁLĂ, nasoli, -oale, adj., s. m. și f. (Arg.) 1. Adj., s. m. și f. (Om) urât sau ridicol. 2. Adj. (Despre obiecte) De proastă calitate; urât, uzat; caraghios. – Din țig. nasvalo „bolnav'”, nasul „rău, meschin”. [21:47]
mircea_popescu tig being "gyp" [21:47]
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peterL has anybody had experience with on bitcointalk forum for doing escrow? are they reputable? [21:48]
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mircea_popescu not heard of them. [21:48]
mircea_popescu i did use saltyspitoon once without trouble. [21:48]
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asciilifeform [21:52]
bounce aw. no morse? [21:52]
asciilifeform alternatively, [21:52]
asciilifeform [21:52]
mircea_popescu 1st version is better [21:52]
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asciilifeform agreed. [21:53]
asciilifeform [21:54]
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pankkake nice racks [21:55]
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mircea_popescu Imagine that every car maker save for Toyota insisted on using the infamous East German Trabant as a standard of quality – yet blindly imitated random elements of Toyota’s visual design. How long would it take for the whiners to appear on the scene and start making noises about monopolistic tyranny? [21:58]
mircea_popescu this is a fine point indeed. [21:58]
mircea_popescu and nao this expolains a lot [22:00]
ozbot Loper OS » Non-Apple’s Mistake [22:00]
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mircea_popescu I should also note that no one else makes a laptop whose metallic chassis enables it to pass the “Creak Test” – hold a device by two opposite corners and flex gently. Do you hear a noise of any kind? If so, you are holding a mechanically-unsound piece of garbage. [22:01]
asciilifeform (this - - less-interesting - post, was an answer to the derpage generated by the above.) [22:02]
TheNewDeal if you grabbed a computer case by two opposite corners and flex gently, does it make a noise? [22:02]
pankkake uh, is not a rare occurence [22:02]
asciilifeform pankkake: that looks like the familiar Li battery swell. [22:03]
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pankkake if you hold a macbook with only one hand too much, they'll eventually bend [22:03]
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asciilifeform if you drive a truck over it, it will also bend. [22:04]
mircea_popescu if you fuck on top of it it will be fine tho [22:04]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.074 = 0.148 BTC [+] [22:04]
pankkake so there's various degrees of holding it wrong [22:04]
TheNewDeal making a noise isn't necessarily indicative of mechanical integrity [22:05]
asciilifeform TheNewDeal: it was a 'litmus test', rather than absolute measure of anything [22:05]
TheNewDeal fine fine [22:06]
asciilifeform the chinese plastic turds fail, the machines which survive years in a rucksack without serious mechanical problem, generally pass [22:06]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: that apple turd was an epic derpamatic, incidentally. ~500k views to date. [22:09]
mircea_popescu it's a good article. [22:10]
mircea_popescu you gotta learn to ignore the reactions to the major hits and focus on discussing the others. [22:10]
mircea_popescu nobody cares what many people think. [22:11]
asciilifeform yeah after i noticed what attracts derpmeisters, i moved on to other, more interesting subjects [22:11]
mircea_popescu "@SunSentinel · 1h Man drives Tesla from New York to Miami at no cost" who the fuck came up with this idiocy. the tesla is a luxury product. the people who buy luxury products are being sold on "no cost" housewife routines ? [22:12]
asciilifeform (note that the piece correctly describes the fate of apple corp. not that this deserves prize of any kind, it was pretty obvious) [22:12]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 100 m^2 of photovoltaics is also a 'luxury product', but it marketed in just that same way. [22:13]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform the photovoltaics are not the product. [22:14]
asciilifeform russian army style. [22:14]
asciilifeform by painting it. [22:14]
benkay 80k is a luxury product now? [22:14]
mircea_popescu if nipple piercings ensured the women carrying them will be used as fucktoys, giving away free cool nipple piercings would not be giving away any product either [22:14]
asciilifeform photovoltaics are not the product << the cocktail of self-righteous envirowhinerism and successful penny pinching (while 'pound-foolish') is the product. [22:15]
mircea_popescu benkay you seen the derpage ensuing from 30 btc mpex reg fee ? [22:15]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform nah, more like, the more expensive housing is the product. [22:15]
mircea_popescu the actual cost to builkd a house now is ~5k. [22:15]
mircea_popescu this is why the market is collapsing all the damned time [22:15]
mircea_popescu if they could make it so building a house cost 100k, [22:15]
mircea_popescu then the economy would be stable. [22:15]
asciilifeform less, if you permit exotica like machine-sculpted concrete [22:15]
mircea_popescu so, they're trying. [22:15]
bounce 5k what? dollars? that's a wooden shed, materials only, or what? [22:16]
mircea_popescu so the product is "getting photovoltaics to be common so they may be deemed standard so they may become mandatory so the developers can sell and the finance economy can work etc" [22:16]
mircea_popescu that's the product. [22:16]
mircea_popescu like the nipple pierced girls' fucking, being the product. [22:16]
mircea_popescu bounce all materials, house for a fambly. [22:16]
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mircea_popescu "@kristathomas Don't Be Right And Don't Ask Why: Essential Ingredients For Building A Team" << lol. just as long as your "team"'s not supposed to be apple. [22:19]
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bounce so where does the cost come from, labour? [22:19]
mircea_popescu bounce red tape, mostly. [22:20]
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mircea_popescu labour is a dollar an hour, you don't need much more than a few hundred man-hours anyway. renting the machinery and getting some concrete/sand/brick isn't the end of the world. [22:21]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the americans found a more barbaric and elegant solution to propping up housing costs - foreclose en masse and let the buildings rot, harvested by copper thieves, etc. [22:32]
asciilifeform rather than let price fall [22:32]
mircea_popescu not really. most prices are just depressing to all hell. [22:34]
mircea_popescu just, some here and there going the way of the rot [22:34]
asciilifeform there is definitely a palpable 'price floor', that remains solid, at least outside of war zones (e.g. detroit) [22:35]
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asciilifeform nobody is getting a house, in decent physical condition, near a major employment hub, for 10k. yet. [22:36]
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asciilifeform for so long as the racket of letting an average salaried schmuck borrow $MAXINT to repay for the rest of his life - the price floor will remain. [22:37]
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nubbins` so [22:40]
nubbins` [22:40]
ozbot imgur: the simple image sharer [22:40]
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nubbins` ^ i got a $50 parking ticket today [22:40]
nubbins` for parking too close to the stop sign. [22:40]
nubbins` "but maybe they put the permit parking sign in the wrong location" [22:41]
nubbins` [22:41]
ozbot imgur: the simple image sharer [22:41]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform wasn't that ohio guy quoting in the 20k range ? [22:42]
asciilifeform ohio. [22:42]
mircea_popescu yea [22:43]
asciilifeform i bet alaska is cheaper still. [22:43]
mircea_popescu nah [22:43]
mircea_popescu very expensive. have to ferry all the shit [22:43]
asciilifeform ok, arizona. [22:43]
nubbins` cost of goods in alaska, too [22:45]
nubbins` have fun buying $50 watermelons [22:45]
asciilifeform i suspect that many people in usa would happily eat $50 watermelons in a $1000 house. [22:46]
nubbins` not sure about the usa, but if a canadian takes a job "up north", they get a government subsidy called the "northern allowance" to offset the increased price of goods [22:46]
asciilifeform but for some reason alaska climate puts them off. [22:46]
nubbins` $1000 house? nice try [22:46]
nubbins` $250k would get you a shack [22:47]
asciilifeform as mp pointed out some time last week, dynamiting the permafrost to lay foundations is costly, etc. [22:47]
asciilifeform one other thing about housing in usa - that is rarely spoken of in the open literature - is that the americans switched to housing price as a means of putting the '60-70s race wars on hold [22:48]
asciilifeform by auto-segregating [22:48]
benkay this poor kid [22:49]
nubbins` [22:49]
benkay "i'm doing an internship this summer, and apparently i need to take an ethics course before i'm eligible for credits from the internship" [22:49]
asciilifeform nubbins`: where? [22:49]
nubbins` nunavut, canada [22:49]
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benkay welcome to the us, where you can't even work without the permission of the bureaucracy [22:49]
nubbins` home of the $50 watermelon and the $28 head of cabbage [22:49]
benkay at least you don't have to take a class to do an internship, nubbins` [22:50]
nubbins` rent/mortgage is 30% higher than south of 60, as well [22:50]
nubbins` on average [22:50]
nubbins` so much for cheap houses :D [22:50]
nubbins` benkay: internships are for suckers :D [22:51]
asciilifeform the reason why no experiment whatsoever with cheap housing en-masse is possible in usa, is that any locale with such becomes 'infested' overnight [22:51]
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asciilifeform to understand how this works, visit any u.s. location where the folks subsisting on gov. 'welfare' and petty crime can afford to live. [22:52]
nubbins` [22:53]
nubbins` [22:53]
asciilifeform (keeping them out via any means other than price is thoroughly forbidden by various laws, decades old at this point) [22:53]
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mircea_popescu benkay "credits" = ? [22:53]
nubbins` uni courses are generally assigned a number of credits [22:54]
nubbins` when i went, three credits per course was the norm [22:54]
nubbins` some courses with less hours (say, labs) would be 2 credits [22:54]
nubbins` and you need X credits to get Y degree [22:54]
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Namworld Hey, Compliments brand [22:54]
asciilifeform nubbins`: three credits per course was the norm << same. but with some comical undershoot. e.g. 'operating systems' took about 40h/week of actual work for most of the kids, but earned... 4 credit. [22:55]
nubbins` :( [22:55]
nubbins` TANJ [22:55]
nubbins` Namworld, you have Sobeys? :D [22:55]
asciilifeform given that most u.s. uni courses are priced per credit, few complain. [22:55]
nubbins` my entire bachelor's degree was a comical undershoot [22:56]
Namworld No, we have Metro [22:56]
nubbins` interesting, never heard of it [22:57]
nubbins` Compliments brand is owned by Sobeys [22:57]
mircea_popescu i went to school in a time before credits. [22:58]
Namworld Wait, wrong one... Compliments is from IGA [22:58]
mircea_popescu you wanted a degree, you had to pass all of a dozen or so courses. [22:58]
nubbins` a whole dozen courses! [22:58]
nubbins` i had to pass that many in my first year ;( [22:59]
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benkay i hear tell of a mythical time where one could attempt the US bar without having a law degree. [22:59]
ozbot Kenny Green sentence recommendation shocks victim's family - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News [22:59]
princessnell egalitarians require we take their religion classes ("multicultural" courses) to graduate with any degree in most us universities [23:00]
nubbins` ^ this murder happened about 50 metres from my house [23:00]
nubbins` good to know i'll be passing the guy in the street in a couple years [23:00]
asciilifeform benkay: after a few people did this, and passed, they tightened the screws [23:00]
nubbins` asciilifeform, benkay: gotta pay the piper! [23:00]
benkay didn't several us presidents do that asciilifeform ? [23:00]
asciilifeform long ago. before the 'edukation' racket. [23:01]
nubbins` FWIW this is loosely the plot of the tv show "suits" [23:01]
Namworld Oh, Sobeys bought the group that held the IGA franchise in 1998. Explain why they use same brand now. [23:01]
nubbins` genius finds himself taking bar exams for crappy students, ends up working sans degree at a prestigious law firm [23:01]
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nubbins` Namworld: nod, all a big mess. reminiscent of loblaws/superstore/dominion all selling President's Choice [23:02]
bounce there's the pay people to do homework racket. I'd be interested in selling such services (getting paid to learn? cool) except that it'd enable idiots to get diplomas. [23:03]
Namworld Eh, when it comes to food brands, it's all convoluted with sub-companies and multiple trademarks. [23:03]
mircea_popescu nubbins` whio the fuck can even pay attention to 12 things in a year [23:03]
mircea_popescu benkay you still can. [23:03]
Namworld Like most of the stuff in stores is like what, ultimately owned by 2-3 large conglomerates? [23:05]
asciilifeform getting paid to learn? cool << visit a u.s. uni, and see what kind of 'learning' you will do, if you were to take up this work. [23:07]
nubbins` mircea_popescu: not me, as it turns out :D [23:07]
nubbins` not very well, at least [23:07]
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bounce the "name brand" stuff, yes. like, unilever, kraft, nestle? [23:07]
Namworld yeah [23:07]
bounce the own brand stuff is made to spec by smaller shops, though they make (supposedly to different spec) for various chains [23:08]
Namworld Of course now with home brands, there's less of this "name brand", but still. [23:08]
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nubbins` ah, the wonders of outsourcing [23:09]
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nubbins` vertically integrated supply chains don't really allow for this [23:09]
nubbins` not to the same degree, anyway [23:09]
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benkay !up locksley [23:11]
assbot Voicing locksley for 30 minutes. [23:11]
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ozbot How do you take apart a 150-tonne whale? - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News [23:11]
benkay DYNAMITE [23:11]
nubbins` bunch of whales got trapped in the ice here recently [23:11]
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nubbins` washed up on the shores of some small communities [23:11]
bounce don't need a how-to for that. blow it up before it blows itself up. [23:11]
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nubbins` the royal ontario museum graciously took possession of the carcasses [23:12]
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bounce sold the meat to japan, or what? [23:12]
nubbins` heh [23:12]
nubbins` nah, analyzing all of the tissue and bringing the skeleton to a museum [23:12]
nubbins` turns out blue whale carcasses are incredibly hard to come by [23:12]
nubbins` i spent some time in trout river two years ago, strange Deliverance-esque place [23:13]
nubbins` very tiny, very rural community, surrounded by -- but not part of -- a national park and UNESCO world heritage site [23:14]
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Namworld There's a shortage of huge, hanging whale skeletons? [23:21]
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mircea_popescu princessnell no, a restaurant that accepts btc is not a bitcoin entrepreneur [23:22]
mircea_popescu but, they're for some reason really desperate to push this everyman btc angle, so... [23:23]
Namworld Hey, they actually look pretty nice [23:23]
Namworld I can see why they would be in demand. [23:23]
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bitcoinpete [23:25]
bitcoinpete hashfast lulz via princessnell [23:25]
benkay bitcoinpete: what are the target capitals? [23:25]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: what about a restaurant that only accepts BTC? [23:25]
mircea_popescu i guess. [23:25]
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bitcoinpete benkay: let's decide right now [23:25]
bitcoinpete i imagine they'd be in europe and asia [23:26]
benkay buenos aires [23:26]
mircea_popescu bitcoinpete which one is this one ? [23:26]
nubbins` Namworld nod, graceful giants [23:26]
bitcoinpete [23:26]
ozbot The Rothschilds of Bitcoin | When Bitcoin Met Pete [23:26]
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bitcoinpete mircea_popescu: figuring out where to put the capitals of finance for the 21st and 22nd centuries [23:27]
mircea_popescu bitcoinpete no i mean the bitcoin miner [23:27]
mircea_popescu o hash fast yea [23:28]
bitcoinpete mircea_popescu: o [23:28]
bitcoinpete "san fransisco-based" [23:28]
princessnell mircea_popescu i know. i have to be demure. [23:28]
bitcoinpete ceo is "Eduardo deCastro is a serial entrepreneur with a long track record of success" [23:29]
mircea_popescu what's being demure like ? [23:29]
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mircea_popescu bitcoinpete "A long track record of success, omitted here for reasons that were in turn omitted" [23:29]
nubbins` i've imagined it to be like having a secret, but i suspect that's more due to my not being demure by nature than to an actual understanding of the condition [23:30]
benkay hey -assets nginx or apache? [23:30]
nubbins` benkay IIS [23:30]
bitcoinpete mircea_popescu: it's so uncouth to name names [23:30]
nubbins` ;D [23:30]
bitcoinpete hashfast vp of engineering: Amy most recently came from Engine Yard, where in less than two years she went from Senior Developer to Director of Engineering. She oversaw the development of the flagship product, EY Cloud, growing revenue by over 60% in one year. [23:30]
princessnell it's about putting an idea in someone's head without outright saying it [23:30]
joecool "serial entrepreneur" [23:31]
mircea_popescu princessnell my only familiarity with the term is in the context "he proposed but she demured", ie, how to end up a spinster. [23:31]
benkay demur != demure [23:32]
princessnell ah. i see. [23:32]
benkay demur 0> demurred [23:33]
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bitcoinpete mircea_popescu: what's this definition in context stuff? i could've sworn we had dictionaries for a reason ;) [23:33]
benkay demure is something else entirely. [23:33]
fluffypony bitcoinpete: senior dev to director of engineering in 2 years? seems legit. [23:33]
benkay fluffypony: engineyard. seems legit. [23:33]
princessnell this is more or less what i mean: [23:33]
benkay derpy rails hosting operation dot butts [23:33]
fluffypony lol [23:33]
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mircea_popescu bitcoinpete yeah, and the dictionaries end up looking like lists of contexts [23:34]
mircea_popescu fluffypony you dispute the track record of success ? [23:34]
nubbins` ;;dict demur [23:34]
gribble wn: demur n 1: (law) a formal objection to an opponent's pleadings [syn: {demur}, {demurral}, {demurrer}] v 1: take exception to; "he demurred at my suggestion to work on Saturday" [syn: {demur}, {except}] 2: enter a demurrer [23:34]
nubbins` ;;dict demure [23:34]
gribble wn: demure adj 1: affectedly modest or shy especially in a playful or provocative way [syn: {coy}, {demure}, {overmodest}] [23:34]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: I dispute that "Director of Engineering" means what they think it means [23:34]
mircea_popescu nubbins` they're not really distinct. same root, abranch was broken off to rub clits with is all. [23:35]
nubbins` broken branch nub rub [23:35]
mircea_popescu fluffypony would you prefer engineer of directoring ? [23:35]
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fluffypony mircea_popescu: they should call a spade a spade and just say "was still a senior developer, but we lost a bunch of managers and needed a lead developer that needed a sense of self-importance" [23:36]
mircea_popescu edm life added you to list edmnewsdaily/awesome-people-108 [23:36]
mircea_popescu this dude has 108 lists of awesome people ? [23:36]
mircea_popescu i wanna be him now. [23:36]
fluffypony lol [23:36]
mircea_popescu fluffypony your spade is very lengthy. [23:36]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: that's what she said [23:36]
bitcoinpete [23:37]
ozbot | Remarks to the Council of Institutional Investors [23:37]
asciilifeform ever notice how the tech hucksters use names like 'rails,' 'engine yard,' etc. - meant to evoke pictures of an era when industry was still in good health [23:38]
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mircea_popescu yea [23:38]
bitcoinpete "The federal securities laws are built upon the premise that an informed investor is the key to robust and efficient nature of our markets." << the root problems [23:38]
fluffypony asciilifeform: yeah, I'm waiting for one of the CEOs to start calling himself "the Conductor" [23:38]
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asciilifeform Conducător. [23:39]
fluffypony lol [23:39]
asciilifeform Il Conduttore. [23:39]
asciilifeform etc [23:39]
fluffypony Serial Entrepreductor [23:40]
bitcoinpete "Questions about whether a market is trustworthy go to the heart of a market’s survival. Is the market fair? Is it efficient? How does it facilitate capital formation? Are investors protected? Do you trust it?" [23:40]
mircea_popescu ;;google Conducător [23:40]
gribble Conducător - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; conducător - Wiktionary: ; Şcoala Tînărului Conducător Ediţia XII-a - Seara Culturală, CLT ...: [23:40]
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mircea_popescu this is what various romanian derps called themselves [23:41]
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asciilifeform aye [23:41]
davout bitcointalk is so fucking priceless sometimes [23:41]
asciilifeform i didn't pull it directly out of me arse [23:41]
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mircea_popescu a ok [23:41]
davout "Personally, I like cryptostocks except for the amount of scams on it" [23:41]
mircea_popescu ahahaha [23:41]
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mircea_popescu funny how terminally braindamaged entities which by the very definition of the term can not possibly have a personal relation to anything [23:42]
asciilifeform 'i like rotting meat just fine except for the number of weevils' [23:42]
jborkl Hashfast update blog We are not scammers- we are just really fucking stupid [23:42]
mircea_popescu liberally sprinkle "personally" in coversation [23:42]
jborkl [23:42]
bitcoinpete jborkl: now there's a difference [23:43]
mircea_popescu this should become part of hs curricula [23:44]
mircea_popescu "write a 500 word essay as to why you're not a scammer" [23:44]
jborkl amazing team [23:45]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [23:45]
jborkl heh still rings true [23:45]
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jborkl kako you need to add amazing team now [23:45]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [23:45]
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davout i should make a bot that echoes assbot, the chan would explode the instant someone says amazing [23:46]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [23:46]
mircea_popescu [23:46]
mircea_popescu any bets as to what she does next? [23:46]
mircea_popescu sues me for e-bullying ? aneurism ? [23:46]
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bitcoinpete so who can hook me up with a coinbr referral code? [23:50]
mircea_popescu jurov ? [23:50]
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jborkl mircea-popescu : Did I really see the Bitcoin awards list or was someone goofing? [23:51]
bitcoinpete mircea_popescu: that'd be awesome if jurov would [23:52]
bitcoinpete unless someone else wants to scoop it [23:53]
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thestringpuller HAHAHAHAHAHAHA [23:54]
thestringpuller I know Gina Luttrell [23:54]
thestringpuller WOW [23:54]
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thestringpuller more amazing than assbot [23:54]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [23:54]
mircea_popescu jborkl i have no idea [23:54]
benkay mircea_popescu: i don't know how you have the fucks to give about people who communicate in gifs. [23:55]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: re: languages and the arts: see if you can digest this russian tidbit: 'Штирлиц встал с позаранку и отодрал занавеску. Он не знал, что Позаранку и Занавеску - румынские разведчицы.' [23:55]
mircea_popescu jborkl how would you distinguish between those two cases ? [23:55]
mircea_popescu either way it's someone goofing. [23:55]
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jborkl well, touche [23:55]
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mircea_popescu benkay nono, really angry mediocre middle aged woman. she KNOWS. [23:55]
mircea_popescu feminism is like fucking math, forget social sciences. you can be wrong in feminism nao. [23:55]
mircea_popescu anyway, the turmoil of the unworthy amuses me. i'm not the sort that calls the cops if you break in. [23:56]
mircea_popescu i'm the sort that shoots you in both shoulders and both knees, then pulls a chair close and watches you bleed. [23:57]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07696999 = 0.6927 BTC [+] {2} [23:57]
thestringpuller so why is Gina whining? [23:57]
mircea_popescu i dunno, someone was wrong. [23:57]
thestringpuller some feminist mumbo jumbo I presume [23:57]
mircea_popescu on like the internet or something. i didn't go into that much detail. [23:57]
thestringpuller obviously not her [23:57]
mircea_popescu i just realised that her name is gina and she goes by VGsomething [23:58]
thestringpuller never argue with a girl from Agnes Scott [23:58]
thestringpuller she's proud of her vagina? [23:58]
mircea_popescu what's agnes scott ? [23:58]
thestringpuller ;;google Agnes Scott [23:58]
gribble Agnes Scott College: ; Agnes Scott: ; Agnes Scott College - Admission: [23:58]
thestringpuller an all girls college [23:58]
asciilifeform 'my vagina is my village.' - seen printed on a tshirt, at the university i live near. [23:58]
thestringpuller here in Atlanta [23:58]
mircea_popescu like a vassar for poor midwestern would be carrie bradshaws ? [23:58]
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