Forum logs for 08 Sep 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
mircea_popescu ahahah what! [00:03]
pete_dushenski i also read that microshit will no longer be detailing what's in its patches. just trust ! (tm) [00:05]
asciilifeform http://www.sigsam.org/bulletin/articles/178/stoutemyer.pdf << again, for anyone who missed this, and is interested in 'derive' or 'mulisp'. this article was co-written by the authors of mulisp and derive! chock-full of implementation details and interesting lore. and yes, it is in pdf. and no, it cannot be represented in ascii. fuckyou buy a printer. [00:09]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1K3qt7C ) [00:09]
BingoBoingo To be fair pete_dushenski Microsoft probably doesn't even know what they are ordered to put into patches anymore [00:09]
asciilifeform i just finished the piece, it is a gem. [00:10]
pete_dushenski bwahaha 'be fair' to microshit ? mkay. [00:10]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: though i see where you're coming from [00:10]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: microshit was never especially talkative re: exactly what was in the patches. [00:11]
ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1265836 << lol n00b [00:11]
assbot Logged on 08-09-2015 00:25:01; shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1265811 <<< I daresay this is my most quoted statement here to date. [00:11]
BingoBoingo Microshit is basically a Shrem, they signed the papers [00:12]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: there are gigantic farms of folks toiling, reversing microshit's patches [00:12]
* ben_vulpes eyeskipped over 'me', is a derp [00:12]
ben_vulpes my [00:12]
ben_vulpes ack [00:12]
pete_dushenski haha [00:12]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i also learned that 'ti-92' is being sold by the bucketful on 'ebay', evidently it has fallen out of favour somewhere institutional [00:13]
BingoBoingo interesting [00:13]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i recall that you were an aficionado [00:13]
asciilifeform it, btw, contains 'derive' [00:13]
asciilifeform just as the 89 series did [00:13]
BingoBoingo Yes, might have to go looking [00:13]
asciilifeform i picked one up for ~25 usd not long ago [00:13]
asciilifeform as all of my '89's wandered off [00:14]
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asciilifeform grew legs, they did. [00:14]
asciilifeform years ago. [00:14]
mircea_popescu "Perricone’s and later First United States Attorney and Chief of the Office’s Criminal Division Jan Mann’s identities were uncovered by forensic comparison of their characteristic writing styles in the online comments and in court filings. The forensic expert in question had previously assisted the FBI in identifying the Unabomber." [00:14]
mircea_popescu check it out. it wasn't actually even proven or anything. just, narratively reconstructed ex post facto [00:14]
asciilifeform whazzis [00:15]
mircea_popescu this may be the most outrageous perversion of justice yet. [00:15]
asciilifeform where [00:15]
* mircea_popescu looks forward to shooting usg agents for sport. [00:15]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform that "cops shot white people so it's not a crime" thing, re katrina. [00:15]
asciilifeform ah that thing [00:15]
asciilifeform 'course it's not a crime! they won't, after all, riot [00:15]
asciilifeform won't destroy shops, etc [00:16]
asciilifeform usa is, approximately, a safari preserve. yes, most of the inmates of the zoo will never be shot at, not directly. but every so often the keepers drive the jeep through the safari lands, shoot the most uppity beasts, sometimes invite friends for a sport hunt [00:19]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: at the moment the shoot-for-sport thing is entirely in the other direction. [00:21]
mircea_popescu trinque incidentally, re midnightmagic's question, i don't recall the format. was it the deeds get concatenated with
as aseparator, sha512'd and that's the pubkey for the spend ? 		[00:21]
asciilifeform lon horiuchi, for example, is a free man. [00:21]
asciilifeform and prolly collecting a fat pension at this point [00:21]
mircea_popescu other direction ? you kidding man, not shot as much as a bb round this way. [00:22]
mircea_popescu and to use the most apropriate expression for this, which happens to be in romanian, "atita le si trebe'" [00:22]
trinque mircea_popescu: it is sha256 of the bundle's deed joined by
- which is used as a private key - from which the pubkey and address are produced 		[00:25]
trinque *deeds [00:25]
mircea_popescu aha [00:26]
mircea_popescu check it out i had mostly all of it. [00:26]
BingoBoingo trinque: Also the site prolly needs the deedbot funding address on it [00:26]
mircea_popescu it's there [00:27]
asciilifeform https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/02/william-norman-grigg/lon-horiuchi-american-sniper << for folks unfamiliar with the figure [00:27]
assbot Lon Horiuchi: American Sniper – LewRockwell.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1i95iH2 ) [00:27]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I dun see it [00:27]
trinque it has the address to which spent, but I can add the other at the top there [00:28]
mircea_popescu 29F5BC967632415AB9836DB63E452A7A2A00DEC1 << i misreads that [00:28]
mircea_popescu trinque srsly, make a faq. [00:28]
trinque k I'll make it friendlier-er [00:28]
asciilifeform 'Horiuchi’s comrades offered the same defense of the FBI sniper’s murderous actions at Ruby Ridge. By killing Vicki, he acted “to save lives,” insisted fellow FBI sniper Dale Monroe. Like the unnamed Iraqi woman, Vicki must be regarded as a hateful, irrational, marginally human creature who simply didn’t understand that when the Empire makes a proprietary claim on you and your family, it is not only a crime but a sin [00:29]
asciilifeform to resist.' [00:29]
asciilifeform 'The FBI’s theatrical professions of regret over Vicki’s death belied the fact that the battalion of combat-outfitted law enforcement personnel on the scene at Ruby Ridge celebrated the killing as a noble victory: With full knowledge that Mrs. Weaver was dead, they named their staging area “Camp Vicki,” and used a public address system to taunt Randy and his by pretending to speak on behalf of his dead wife.' [00:30]
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mircea_popescu trinque the requirement for people to be in the wot to use it ain't never going away. but the pressure to actually get in said wot is ever mounting. [00:33]
mircea_popescu and will continue to mount indefinitely. [00:33]
trinque indeed; I'll put something on it to point the way in [00:34]
mircea_popescu up to and including surrounding holdsouts houses with monkeys in combat armor, killing their wives and bitches in no particular order and then impersonating them over the loudspeaker. [00:34]
mircea_popescu and then when they cave and get in the wot, negrating them, of course. [00:34]
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asciilifeform l0l! [00:34]
trinque hahaha [00:34]
mircea_popescu i am my unsmiling face. [00:34]
trinque I will certainly indicate on the site that joining the WoT is the next move if you want to use it. [00:35]
mircea_popescu it's a start, before we buy some armor. [00:35]
mircea_popescu but anyway, that's all for tonite, take it ezzy! [00:36]
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mircea_popescu trinque nice! [16:50]
mircea_popescu in other news, http://i.imgur.com/2xv66Sm.gifv [16:52]
assbot Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lid4VV ) [16:52]
ascii_field https://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2015-July/008215.html << lulz [16:53]
assbot Jim Bell vindicated ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lidfk1 ) [16:53]
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funkenstein_ gaming! [17:06]
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punkman ascii_field: what did Jim Bell do? [17:09]
ascii_field punkman: wrote 'assassination politics' essay. [17:10]
ascii_field punkman: usg then 'sewed a case' for him and jailed. [17:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.0007419 = 4.674 BTC [+] [17:12]
funkenstein_ is there any hope for augur.net? [17:12]
mircea_popescu what is augur.net ? [17:12]
funkenstein_ decentralized prediction market, or so claims [17:13]
mircea_popescu none. [17:13]
funkenstein_ :( well i suppose an act of purest optimism for me to have asked [17:13]
mircea_popescu that's not the exact quote :) [17:14]
mircea_popescu they're brits, see ? "to have asked in the first place" [17:14]
funkenstein_ aha thank you [17:14]
funkenstein_ tell me sir, do you in fact have any decentralized prediction market at all? [17:15]
funkenstein_ "crowdfund" + glossy website and I didn't look further [17:16]
mircea_popescu "market" and "decentralized" go together like "great guy with a great sense of humor that will treat you with the respect you deserve" and "a lot of sex" [17:16]
funkenstein_ rofl [17:17]
mircea_popescu every[one,twerp,clueless derp,idiot,internet dog] thinks this is how it goes. and you hear about it, because [somehow] they have all the time in the world to tell you it is so. [17:17]
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mircea_popescu otherwise, markets are by definition centralized. this is what they do : they centralize trade. you wish decentralized, stick to barter. [17:18]
funkenstein_ I have noticed markets are places that people go, rather than vice versa [17:18]
mircea_popescu (and the reason there isn't such a thing as "a barter market" should be illuminating for the whole thing) [17:18]
asciilifeform !up ascii_field [17:20]
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ascii_field https://cryptostorm.org/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=8702 << a bit schizo but overall logic is there. [17:21]
assbot črypto is finished... and it's about time × (also: 'Balrog' malnet, firsthand view) - cryptostorm's community forum ... ( http://bit.ly/1LifQur ) [17:21]
ascii_field 'Corruptor-Injector Networks' [17:21]
ascii_field thing is (and not much of a spoiler) - it reads 100% shannonized. [17:21]
ascii_field one of the necessary things a wot will do for the 'cpunks' folks, if they have collectively half a brain, is to weed out the schizos [17:22]
ascii_field it is they who are (whether aware of it or not) usg's intellectual shock troops [17:23]
ascii_field as per the 'crank bait' thread. [17:23]
shinohai https://i.imgur.com/tDSX24E.jpg (-__-) [17:27]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1ib4Yb3 ) [17:27]
Apocalyptic shinohai, lol, where is that from ? [17:27]
shinohai was browsing imgur. Left me wtf [17:28]
shinohai Must be a question on the applied mathematics section of Andrew Miller's bitcoin exam. [17:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00074122 = 8.3387 BTC [-] [17:32]
danielpbarron jurov> danielpbarron: Old Toastament != Christian << uh.. yes it most certainly is. What is called judaism today is a false religion that split off in rejection of Christ [17:39]
mike_c Naphex: congrats! that's a great first few months. [17:40]
Naphex mike_c: thanks! you never /msg'd me about that [17:40]
mike_c I did not, sorry. I decided to use a crappy subsitute for the moment, and if things work out then talk to you about getting something better. [17:41]
Naphex rgr, well any time [17:41]
danielpbarron jurov, salvation is not achieved through strict adherence to the OT law, but it is still good law to enforce [17:44]
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* BingoBoingo likes mixed fiber cloth too much for danielpbarron land [17:48]
mats my mother is on a missionary trip in myanmar [17:48]
mats i don't have the heart to tell her she's a tourist [17:49]
mats orc sight-seeing [17:49]
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kakobrekla yeah salvation is achieved by killing infidels. [17:52]
shinohai Allah snackbar [17:52]
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danielpbarron salvation is achieved by believing The Bible, and only God can make you do that [17:54]
kakobrekla cause santa said so. [17:54]
mats alright, man [17:55]
danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261836 << this is true. Most self-described Christians are on the broad path to hell [17:55]
assbot Logged on 03-09-2015 20:41:27; phf: trinque: modern christian position on divorce, on a role of a woman in household, on a role of man in household, on premarital sex, all sham. fundamentally there's no belief in the bible. no first world christian guy would even consider living according to bible in, say, muslim style. so what constitutes badassery? hunting from a back of a pickup, or "i was linebacker 30 years ago"? [17:55]
kakobrekla and all self described christians are delusional [17:56]
mats shots fired [17:56]
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kakobrekla NO IT WAS JEEBUS! [17:59]
kakobrekla santa did the footnotes tho [17:59]
Naphex :D [18:00]
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danielpbarron santa isn't mentioned in the Bible at all. that and the whole christmas thing are totally wicked abominations. see: http://www.atruechurch.info/christmas.html [18:00]
assbot A True Church - Christmas ... ( http://bit.ly/1hUKIJM ) [18:00]
thestringpuller danielpbarron: i heard jesus was born in the summer. [18:02]
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thestringpuller “Actually Grandad Christmas is a pagan holiday and Jesus probably hates you for celebrating it.” [18:03]
thestringpuller “The truth is Christmas evolved from the Roman holiday Saturnalia, a winter festival where men gave gifts to each other. They also would get drunk, have sex with each other and beat their wives” [18:03]
ben_vulpes i'm enjoying watching the bible thumper and windows enthusiast go at each other [18:03]
mats am i the windows enthusiast [18:04]
mats or is it thestringpuller [18:04]
ben_vulpes "if you have to ask" (tm) [18:05]
mats you hate me [18:05]
thestringpuller that was a quote from "The Boondocks" (tm) [18:05]
* mircea_popescu will have to make a 2nd pass on alf's link [18:06]
mircea_popescu mike_c where do you see ? [18:07]
mike_c mircea_popescu: hm? did you mean me? [18:09]
mircea_popescu yeah, wheredja see naphex's first months or wut ? [18:09]
mike_c oh, 20 lines up. 43 btc in tips 1st 3 months [18:09]
mircea_popescu oh oh. /me gets to reading log. [18:12]
BingoBoingo Isn't santa the one who tells Jebus to pick on Steve Job [18:13]
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BingoBoingo From Nebraska: http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/24108/ [18:15]
assbot Feminist research fellow: Put all men 'in some kind of camp' - The College Fix ... ( http://bit.ly/1hUOent ) [18:15]
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mircea_popescu yeah. the some kind of camp is called "the world". [18:18]
mircea_popescu and the feminists can get back to the gyneceum any time nao. [18:18]
trinque http://www.radfemcollective.org/ << "positively revolting women" ahahahha [18:18]
assbot RadFem Collective ... ( http://bit.ly/1XHVYKy ) [18:18]
trinque what more needs be said? [18:18]
mircea_popescu it is kinda lulzy. [18:19]
jurov http://imgur.com/x6qYB3J handicraft!!! [18:20]
assbot Waste of some geodes seen in a gift shop at Niagara Falls - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1XHWlEJ ) [18:20]
trinque http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266584 << can almost smell the sweat reading this. excellent propaganda re: "nothing is beyond our reach" [18:21]
assbot Logged on 08-09-2015 20:18:47; ascii_field: https://cryptostorm.org/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=8702 << a bit schizo but overall logic is there. [18:21]
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BingoBoingo and the feminists can get back to the gyneceum any time nao. << Get with the times. It is called the GynoDome Sponsored by Hoveround Mobility Scooters now. [18:26]
mircea_popescu heh mkay. [18:28]
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mircea_popescu wow check that out, the drawing chick delivered. anyone in europe want to send 100 euros via sepa for me plox ? [18:34]
mircea_popescu jurov ? davout ? williamdunne ? [18:34]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform ftr, im disqualifying the whole production on the basis of the following quote : [18:38]
mircea_popescu " err I mean "searching the web," is enough to turn up some pretty solid knowledge on any imaginable infosec topic, from post-quantum cryptographic systems to gritty OpSec-spy advice, and off to baked-in processor hardware attack models." [18:38]
mircea_popescu the fact that they list 3 items, all three being from the list of usg-pretend-issues as opposed to the list of actual issues resolves to my mind the propaganda vs information dilemma. this is in no way related to reality, and entirely the result of how someoine wants reality to appear. any similarities to actual reality being purely coincidental. [18:39]
mircea_popescu seriously, not even MENTION the bios, or the hard drive firmware ? [18:39]
mircea_popescu obviously they don't want the actual holes to be known, but sticking to their wants so closely begets failure. [18:40]
mircea_popescu i'm thus marking cryptostorm as a russia today of another failgroup. [18:41]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266284 << i r lulzed at the "Valued at $25". srsly ? that's what, 1/10000 of yearly rent ? lkulz. [18:43]
assbot Logged on 08-09-2015 04:07:26; pete_dushenski: soon to be mandatory. [18:43]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266302 <<< that's definitely where this is headed. [18:44]
assbot Logged on 08-09-2015 04:42:36; asciilifeform: at one point there was a notion of selling insurance per-mile [18:44]
mircea_popescu somehow they don't insure people per-pound, because women are fat. but they want to sell insurance per mile. because the people who drive more also don't hold their knees together in the subway. [18:45]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266327 < :)) [18:47]
assbot Logged on 08-09-2015 04:59:50; mats: I thought it would be done two months ago [18:47]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266334 << listen, here's a plan : move to mongolia, or any of the stans. you're close enough to china to acclimate and also in a sane place. rent a chunk of a local dc and do sysadmin for it. [18:48]
assbot Logged on 08-09-2015 05:08:53; mats: jr sysadmin roles mostly [18:48]
mircea_popescu you wanna go ? [18:48]
deedbot- [Trilema] The importance of backups, from the other side. - http://trilema.com/2015/the-importance-of-backups-from-the-other-side/ [18:49]
mats looks like a good plan. in a few years. [18:50]
mircea_popescu https://imgur.com/QC51FZz << dude , the fact that anyone EVEN CONSIDERS using retarded github after something like this... [18:50]
assbot [TW: Not tumblr] Github disables repo for use of the word "retard" - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1KBbnIS ) [18:50]
mircea_popescu im going to start negrating people for having github stuff. [18:50]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266360 << for the record this is pretty much how a third to a half of "start-ups" get a logo afaik. [18:52]
assbot Logged on 08-09-2015 07:18:40; assbot: I found the AirBnB logo in Trademarks & Symbols of the World published in 1988 - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1VKj9C1 ) [18:52]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266374 << seafaring people discovered new world, collected protons, went home. [18:53]
assbot Logged on 08-09-2015 07:53:01; funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1265880 <-- i'd love to hear more about this one [18:53]
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funkenstein_ aha [18:55]
mircea_popescu for the record, albedo measures reflectivity. below average albedo would mean she's brown. that what you meant ? [18:56]
funkenstein_ well starfaring peoples might have different motivations and abilities, but I probably shouldn't speculate [18:56]
funkenstein_ er, I spoke in error [18:56]
funkenstein_ thanks [18:56]
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funkenstein_ works either way though [18:58]
TheNewDeal http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-08-2015#1250716 I saw this off much too late. I'm typically trying to partially sell out my own positions in profitable/risky bets that I have made [18:59]
assbot Logged on 24-08-2015 20:45:03; mircea_popescu: ;;later tell TheNewDeal care to make me an offer on https://bitbet.us/bet/1188/dow-jones-industrial-average-dji-to-drop-below/#b18 ? :D [18:59]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266433 << that's just nuts. why no abs ? [18:59]
assbot Logged on 08-09-2015 14:53:35; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266312 << eg me, who drives a car with no antilock brakes and all of the weight in the front [18:59]
mircea_popescu TheNewDeal so you don't buy, just sell ? [19:00]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266439 << what the fuck is a streamium [19:00]
assbot Logged on 08-09-2015 15:51:13; Naphex: lmao.. so streamium after spamming reddit for months with their angular app. Decide to throw a sissy fit on reddit and play butthurt because of... downvotes :o [19:00]
TheNewDeal I may be interested in making offers [19:01]
mircea_popescu "In these threads, messages advertising xotika.tv get enormous number of upvotes very fast (way too fast to be legitimate) and the site itself is a fraud - there are a number of different links advertised, for example...:" [19:01]
BingoBoingo ... << that's just nuts. why no abs ? << ben_vulpes has a vehicle too old for it [19:01]
mircea_popescu oh xotika is a fraud now ? [19:01]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo yeah but i mean... that's kinda like the house too old for plumbing. [19:01]
mircea_popescu but i lulzed at the "open source decentralized" derp's butthurt. [19:02]
BingoBoingo Some houses are too old to economically get plumbing [19:02]
mircea_popescu such great sense of humor and stuff, too. whai no success! [19:02]
shinohai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266695 <<< Another shitty cam stream for btc service which never worked. [19:02]
assbot Logged on 08-09-2015 21:58:27; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266439 << what the fuck is a streamium [19:02]
TheNewDeal i'll pay you .146 for that whole position of 1 BTC @ 65k [19:03]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266458 << the principal way through which the usg world of chimps succeeds is by getting the intelligent people to withdraw rather than kill them. [19:03]
assbot Logged on 08-09-2015 16:47:09; ascii_field: mircea_popescu et al: i have been searching, in vain, for a means to contact stoutemyer. seems like he's gone full-bore knuth and has no published means of contact at all... [19:03]
TheNewDeal gotta be jewish though, I've already taken the other side [19:03]
mircea_popescu TheNewDeal i actually like it > 1 btc. [19:04]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266460 << this is actually sensible, yes. [19:04]
assbot Logged on 08-09-2015 16:54:55; ascii_field: very doubtful that anything will come of it, but at present time no one, afaik, has so much as asked them. [19:04]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266473 << do that first form now on. best habit you could form for your future hapiness. sig verify goes first. [19:05]
assbot Logged on 08-09-2015 17:19:43; Apocalyptic: I will proceed to verify the sig [19:05]
TheNewDeal I'm just going to ride it out, right now I'm getting paid out of the bet ends No [19:07]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266506 <<< wow, picking up blondies at porcfest works that well, huh. [19:07]
assbot Logged on 08-09-2015 18:42:26; danielpbarron: so that bridge is already crossed [19:07]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266534 << the final population of the universe is thus one. just, not the same one across the multiverses. [19:09]
assbot Logged on 08-09-2015 19:06:41; ascii_field: if everett's picture of consciousness were to turn out physically real, he would remain alive and obscenely loaded in the branch where the bits resolved to the key. [19:09]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266539 << i can see it. [19:10]
assbot Logged on 08-09-2015 19:09:39; Naphex: jurov: yep [19:10]
cazalla i thought it was only adultery if you are married [19:11]
mircea_popescu no. adultery is when you are fucking other than your wife. [19:12]
cazalla danielpbarron is married? [19:13]
mircea_popescu no, hence his conclusion. [19:13]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: who knows what 0days lurk in the abs controller. [19:19]
ben_vulpes this car has no (zero!) robots in between me and the wheels. [19:19]
ben_vulpes i forgot this the other day. [19:19]
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ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266659 << lol didja miss the part where i said it is a shannonized output ? [19:34]
assbot Logged on 08-09-2015 21:36:14; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ftr, im disqualifying the whole production on the basis of the following quote : [19:34]
ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266672 << mongolia has what, tcp-over-dead-goat modem ? [19:34]
assbot Logged on 08-09-2015 21:46:05; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266334 << listen, here's a plan : move to mongolia, or any of the stans. you're close enough to china to acclimate and also in a sane place. rent a chunk of a local dc and do sysadmin for it. [19:34]
ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266708 << i don't know for a fact that s. is alive [19:35]
assbot Logged on 08-09-2015 22:01:26; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266458 << the principal way through which the usg world of chimps succeeds is by getting the intelligent people to withdraw rather than kill them. [19:35]
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punkman http://www.legbacore.com/ [19:37]
assbot LegbaCore ... ( http://bit.ly/1NowuhV ) [19:37]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i guess i must have. [19:38]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller gotta love it whgen you try to explain a few points to a redditard and he comes back with pure "i don't want to think!!!" on a stick. [19:39]
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TheNewDeal !down [19:41]
TheNewDeal !down TheNewDeal [19:41]
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* BingoBoingo has a few million satoshis on Venus to beat Serena. It's been a while, so might as well try this again to remind myself why I stopped. [19:48]
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deedbot- [Qntra] Consumers Begin Revolting, Bitcoin Is Not Visa - http://qntra.net/2015/09/consumers-begin-revolting-bitcoin-is-not-visa/ [20:01]
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Apocalyptic mircea_popescu, wise words, indeed I should have [20:09]
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ben_vulpes mats: why do you think i hate you? [20:20]
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ben_vulpes do you think that i hate danielpbarron? [20:22]
danielpbarron cazalla> danielpbarron is married? << lol no. Adultery is when a woman sleeps with a man who isn't her husband [20:24]
mats ben_vulpes: just joking. [20:24]
shinohai danielpbarron be unmarried, that would be *fornication* [20:25]
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ben_vulpes more baffled than anything some days, mats. [20:28]
danielpbarron mircea_popescu> wow, picking up blondies at porcfest works that well, huh. << hah. I was referring to my past when I didn't yet believe in The Bible [20:28]
ben_vulpes specially the winblet line - that really blew my stack [20:28]
mats winblet? [20:29]
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danielpbarron shinohai, the key is that the chicks had already been with other dudes who they then should have married. To be honest, I'm not sure if it counts as adultery or not. [20:32]
trinque danielpbarron: my reading of the thing suggests that's more or less the rule [20:34]
trinque fuck a virgin; you're supposed to marry her [20:34]
trinque but it does seem to lean heavily on whatever the commonly held ideas at the time were re: sex [20:35]
danielpbarron it's the right thing to do, to offer the ex-virgin's father payment for her hand in marriage [20:37]
ben_vulpes eh, just pay for the children. [20:38]
danielpbarron another key point is that it is never the virgin who is the victim; it's either her father or her husband. So the modern notion of "cheating" does not apply. It's not adultery for a married man to have sex with another woman so long as she isn't also married to another man [20:38]
ben_vulpes convenient solution is available if you take the girl and her kids [20:38]
ben_vulpes but what about the girls' agency, danielpbarron?!!!1ONE!? [20:38]
danielpbarron no such thing [20:38]
shinohai http://www.technologyreview.com/news/541121/allegations-of-dirty-tricks-as-effort-to-rescue-bitcoin-falters/ <<< kek [20:41]
assbot Supporters of a Proposal to Upgrade Bitcoin’s Capacity Say Their Computers Are Being Attacked | MIT Technology Review ... ( http://bit.ly/1VMmHDR ) [20:41]
trinque dirty tricks! [20:41]
trinque shinohai: MIT Tech Review are known scum. [20:41]
trinque they have been shilling for Gavin/Hearn and XT since the beginning [20:41]
trinque !s from:trinque technologyreview.com [20:42]
assbot 0 results for 'from:trinque technologyreview.com' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Atrinque+technologyreview.com [20:42]
shinohai I know, more sour grapes from that camp :D [20:42]
trinque http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=28-08-2015#1255085 [20:42]
assbot Logged on 28-08-2015 23:49:32; trinque: http://www.technologyreview.com/news/540921/the-looming-problem-that-could-kill-bitcoin/ << front page, MIT Tech Review are scum. [20:42]
trinque search is a turd [20:42]
shinohai The XT camps released their experimental binaries with the "stealth" feature today. Everyone is gushing over that atm. [20:43]
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trinque shinohai: aka they can lie about their numbers now? [20:43]
shinohai That or just flat-out lie about what client they are. [20:44]
trinque I mean, the XT scumbags can lie about how many are in-field [20:44]
shinohai https://github.com/bitcoinxt/bitcoinxt/releases/tag/v0.11B [20:44]
shinohai wait, binary announcement was yesterday: https://redd.it/3jzylu [20:46]
assbot Please help test 0.11B pre-release binaries (linux64 only for now) : bitcoinxt ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoBwev ) [20:46]
trinque ahaha, anyone who runs that deserves what they get [20:49]
trinque binary releases.. [20:49]
shinohai Don't even bother to sign them :/ [20:49]
trinque thestringpuller: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-02-2015#1008074 << old thread relevant to >> http://qntra.net/2015/09/consumers-begin-revolting-bitcoin-is-not-visa/ [20:52]
assbot Logged on 05-02-2015 07:16:33; trinque: you want to build your visa? build it on bitcoin, but don't systemd the thing and decide it must have a visa built in [20:52]
assbot Consumers Begin Revolting, Bitcoin Is Not Visa | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1VMnHYs ) [20:52]
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trinque heh bitcoinctl incoming [20:53]
midnightmagic I think they do sign them: https://github.com/bitcoinxt/gitian.sigs [20:56]
assbot bitcoinxt/gitian.sigs · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoCA1J ) [20:56]
shinohai I meant the precompiled binary they threw up on reddit midnightmagic [20:59]
trinque I'm plainly accusing Hearn of not being above putting something malicious in a binary, aside from the gunk they're putting in the source. [21:01]
ben_vulpes who needs agency, when you have bad opsec? [21:04]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.0007418 = 11.8688 BTC [+] [21:07]
midnightmagic built-in sigs are not very WoT-friendly. Without gitian-gverify'ing a binary, the same thing is technically true from the perspective of people running the main bitcoin bins [21:09]
BingoBoingo Who would even use a QT client without compiling it so they could put in coin-control??? [21:10]
midnightmagic trinque: It would be interesting, but he would instantly submarine the entire effort for sure. [21:12]
midnightmagic :-o only mike and gavin are publishing gitian sigs for the result. On the small chance they are doing something sneaky, if you gitian and find a mismatch, you could kill xt in about 20 minutes of compile-time per-release. [21:14]
trinque really depends on the difference between weakening in some subtle way vs putting some explicit back-door [21:14]
trinque but sure, something overt would be tactically stupid on their part [21:14]
midnightmagic true enough [21:15]
midnightmagic They've claimed that with the microscope on their efforts looking for bugs to discredit them, that this translates into equivalent-to-normal-auditing. (??) [21:16]
shinohai I don't even need a microscope. Naked eye working fine thus far. [21:17]
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BingoBoingo Cmon Venus, beat that orc serena [21:31]
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pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: oh the williams sisters are going at it in a major ? that doesn't happen often enough [21:37]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: I'm not watching it, just bet. Watching "To Catch a Contractor" instead [21:37]
pete_dushenski aha. is that a show or a movie then ? [21:38]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: It's a show, a true gem. Really destroys one's faith in American real estate [21:39]
pete_dushenski i've been trying to put my finger on this mats guy for a while, ever since the decimation episode, and i think i've distilled it. without further ado : [21:40]
pete_dushenski !rate mats -1 drama queen http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Amats+drama [21:40]
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BingoBoingo Features Adam Corolla, also known as low rent Tim Allen [21:40]
pete_dushenski !v assbot:pete_dushenski.rate.mats.-1:33fbc075d363f966c5a2041fe3ce19f176f71eec14fdd72e3cdee9400bc41912 [21:40]
assbot Successfully added a rating of -1 for mats with note: drama queen http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Amats+drama [21:40]
BingoBoingo !rated mats [21:41]
assbot You rated user mats on 28-Aug-2015, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: Around a while in various forms. [21:41]
pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-09-2015#1261218 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-09-2015#1264688 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-09-2015#1266617 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=02-09-2015#1259365 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-09-2015#1259164 << moar [21:41]
assbot Logged on 03-09-2015 05:46:51; mats: you hate me [21:41]
assbot Logged on 07-09-2015 01:00:03; mats: your mom [21:41]
assbot Logged on 08-09-2015 20:54:05; mats: shots fired [21:41]
assbot Logged on 02-09-2015 00:33:47; mats: whoa, whoa, such cynicism [21:41]
assbot Logged on 01-09-2015 21:45:54; mats: this is not reassuring [21:41]
pete_dushenski i get the sense that it's more than sarcasm coming from mats and i dun take kindly to it. [21:42]
BingoBoingo At least this is the healthy sort of dissent [21:42]
pete_dushenski myeah [21:43]
* ben_vulpes frowns. [21:43]
pete_dushenski it's not like i expect him to go anywhere a la pankkake, tat, or decimation, but i don't trust him. [21:43]
cazalla logged into the qntra twitter account.. http://i.imgur.com/lBu5pin.png and then! http://i.imgur.com/lrMj3py.png [21:43]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1g8jY7y ) [21:43]
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pete_dushenski cazalla: they say it's lonely at the top [21:43]
ben_vulpes not really how this is supposed to work. [21:43]
cazalla i like how the text "no thanks" and "yes" are smaller than big blue buttons that work in their favour [21:44]
BingoBoingo I think mats is getting polish. He claims a knowledge base which explains a lotta cognitive dissonance that appears on subjects like ASLR (For the record I use an OS with ASLR by default) [21:45]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: dude's manufacturing discontent. what. [21:45]
* BingoBoingo learned more in fewer spans than those in which asciilifeform and mats have discursively danced. I really clear up what the traditional common wisdom has been. [21:46]
BingoBoingo cazalla: Why do we need to find people? [21:48]
pete_dushenski http://righteousmind.com/where-microaggressions-really-come-from/ << A) A Culture of Honor in part 6 aptly describes the wot [21:48]
assbot Where microaggressions really come from: A sociological account | The Righteous Mind ... ( http://bit.ly/1g8kylG ) [21:48]
cazalla BingoBoingo, we don't, but apparently our friends are finding it difficult to find us [21:49]
pete_dushenski www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-09-08/russia-s-main-bourse-says-trading-halted-across-all-markets << usians not the only ones with 'blow-off valves' [21:49]
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BingoBoingo cazalla: Well, maybe we celebrate our fifth birthday with a 500 kilowatt AM station? [21:50]
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cazalla we could use my 5 watts for 1st birthday but.. no licence lol [21:52]
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BingoBoingo cazalla: Wouldn't be the same unless we got the money to hire a hot chick to read it [21:55]
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BingoBoingo !up benkay [21:56]
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BingoBoingo benkay: On webchat? [21:56]
benkay what discontent pete [21:56]
benkay bb mhm [21:56]
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benkay and what moreove is wrong with it [21:56]
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benkay you want further homogeneity? in the cult? [21:57]
mircea_popescu !up Jrum [21:57]
-assbot- You voiced Jrum for 30 minutes. [21:57]
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benkay additionally, i do not see substantiation of the drama claims. [21:57]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266760 << the idea of children being -ev is so counter-historical. [21:58]
assbot Logged on 08-09-2015 23:36:03; ben_vulpes: eh, just pay for the children. [21:58]
* BingoBoingo has yet to see pete_dushenski talk about wishes to leave a tract of geography disputed by two Satans [21:58]
mircea_popescu "s-as-effort-to-rescue-bitcoin-falters" hahahaha WHAT ? [21:59]
mircea_popescu they didn't manage to save it like syria or wut ? [21:59]
benkay i retain hope mine'll be +ev. like my wife. unlike anyone elses. [21:59]
BingoBoingo No, Greece and Hungary are supposed to save Syria by becoming Syria mircea_popescu [22:00]
mircea_popescu !s from:trinque technologyreview [22:00]
assbot 0 results for 'from:trinque technologyreview' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Atrinque+technologyreview [22:00]
mircea_popescu odd. [22:00]
benkay (apparently) [22:00]
mircea_popescu hope is what the world spins on. [22:00]
pete_dushenski benkay: what happened to the 'ben_vulpes [22:00]
pete_dushenski *' experiment ? [22:01]
* BingoBoingo guessing ben_vulpes is at a bar [22:01]
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pete_dushenski "I thought the support BitcoinXT had was way bigger because of so many people praising it on /r/Bitcoin. I wanted to help scale bitcoin so I spent about $200 to set up 10 BitcoinXT nodes for a month." [22:07]
pete_dushenski "The $200 I spent was almost 1/3 of my bitcoin savings and I regret wasting my money on this. Maybe I will keep running BitcoinXT at home but I haven't decided." [22:07]
pete_dushenski https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/comments/3k0imx/the_number_of_xt_blocks_in_the_last_1000_is/ << sweet redditard tears [22:07]
assbot The number of XT blocks in the last 1000 is almost back to zero : bitcoinxt ... ( http://bit.ly/1g8mz1l ) [22:07]
shinohai LOL pete_dushenski thanks for logging that [22:08]
danielpbarron hah i spent the equiv of his savings on Eulora stuff alone [22:08]
pete_dushenski shinohai: np :) [22:08]
pete_dushenski danielpbarron: and sounds like you've made a pretty penny off that investment too [22:09]
danielpbarron we'll see [22:09]
danielpbarron i win all the auctions -- doesn't mean i'm profiting :/ [22:09]
shinohai I spent most of my BTC on stuff I *still use* [22:09]
shinohai Not fleeting fads [22:10]
mats ah, my first neg rate [22:10]
pete_dushenski danielpbarron: very true. [22:10]
BingoBoingo hah i spent the equiv of his savings on Eulora stuff alone << Exchange rate adjusted I have spent more drinking at 2nd Mardi gras [22:10]
ben_vulpes pete_dushenski: what, did the nick disconnect while i wasn't looking? [22:10]
danielpbarron not sure if shinohai's comment is directed at Eulora, but it's 1) not fleeting and 2) i still have the stuff i bought [22:10]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: looks like, ya [22:11]
BingoBoingo danielpbarron: I hope you are at least reading EVE-Online history [22:11]
shinohai No danielpbarron not directed at you or Eulora, at XT [22:11]
ben_vulpes pete_dushenski: the "experiment", i mean. [22:11]
BingoBoingo ah, my first neg rate << a test and a milestone [22:11]
shinohai Euora I would consider a good investment, and will when I buy my next computer [22:11]
mats in the service of that note, i can't say i particularly care about a guy whose chief 'contribution' is blathering at length on a blog [22:11]
mats carry on [22:11]
BingoBoingo Oh Shit [22:11]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: benkay has left IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [22:12]
BingoBoingo God Damn, Let me see those hips swing [22:12]
ben_vulpes benkay: what happened to the 'ben_vulpes [22:12]
ben_vulpes *' experiment ? [22:12]
ben_vulpes the. [22:12]
ben_vulpes experiment. [22:12]
ben_vulpes did it disconnect? [22:12]
* trinque wonders wtf is going on [22:12]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: i just saw 'benkay' logged in and was inquiring, as i hadn't seen that handle in a coon's age. [22:13]
BingoBoingo Everything and nothing is going on. Which is why mircea_popescu's Bitcoin exam will eventually need metaphysics and biology sections [22:13]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: i just saw 'benkay' logged in and was inquiring, as i hadn't seen that handle in a coon's age. << Coon vernacular for that period of time is "a minute" now [22:14]
pete_dushenski for serial ? [22:14]
* danielpbarron nods [22:14]
pete_dushenski so coon's age is a short time period ?? [22:14]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Nah, just a minute is a long time nao [22:14]
danielpbarron no, a "minute" is a long time in the retarded brains of today's youth [22:15]
danielpbarron a vine clip is 6 seconds and that's already pushing it [22:15]
BingoBoingo danielpbarron: Nah, just in the minds of the Urban youth blessed by the #gayfish in chief [22:15]
pete_dushenski ;;ud coon's age [22:15]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Coons+Age | Jonny, I haven't see you in a coon's age, How the hell are you? by Tbone ... I've been waiting a Coon's Age for you to get your sorry keister out of the bathroom! [22:15]
ben_vulpes anyways, pete_dushenski, i'd love to talk some day when you've got something other than "lol ur handle bro" lined up [22:16]
BingoBoingo ;;ud coon's age << But biologically a coon's maximum lifespan is 18 months to 36 months [22:17]
* ben_vulpes dosimieter [22:18]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: You should try the newsmines [22:18]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: wasn't lolin' man, was just wondering what the occasion was ! [22:20]
pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1266855 << not particularly. but the disagreement should be productive, not 'please explain why i shouldn't use winbloze' level [22:22]
assbot Logged on 09-09-2015 00:55:08; benkay: you want further homogeneity? in the cult? [22:22]
asciilifeform dulap therealbitcoin node going down starting now. [22:22]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: and i'm none too amused by 'oh no she didn't' 'oh yes she did' banter either [22:22]
pete_dushenski it's not helpful and it's not constructive [22:23]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: dulap removed from -addnode on my machines, restarted [22:28]
mats howbout reasons why win10 ain't so bad as win7, 8, 8.1. [22:29]
shinohai http://www.attactics.org/2015/09/windows-10-extracting-hashes-plaintext.html [22:29]
assbot attactics[dot]org: Extracting Hashes & Plaintext Passwords from Windows 10 ... ( http://bit.ly/1g8oQJK ) [22:29]
mats not because i'm trying to convince anyone to use it, but maybe, zoological purposes [22:29]
mats seems nobody is really talking about how 'CFG' is enabled by default in win10 [22:30]
mats 'control flow guard', which verifies functions at call sites, ensuring target is in fact a function. [22:30]
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BingoBoingo Telemetry kinda kills Win 10, but now also kills Win 8 and 7 [22:31]
mats there are also new security features that have been rolled out over the last year, ie, isolated heap and deferred free lists [22:31]
asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu you've got mail [22:31]
gribble The operation succeeded. [22:31]
pete_dushenski well, choir practise beckons, gents. hasta luego! [22:32]
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shinohai Nos veremos [22:32]
mats the CFG implementation is quite weak based on a cursory inspection, but in general all this stuff raises the cost of attack [22:32]
mircea_popescu mats which incidentally is a valid point re your earlier "gps beacon" considerations. [22:32]
mircea_popescu resistence is not about DOING anything, but merely preventing the enemy from doing his stupid shit. [22:33]
mircea_popescu so yes, even with the cctv bla bla. not driving a gps beacon is that much better. [22:33]
asciilifeform mats: how does any of it raise the cost of usg using its dedicated pwnholes ? [22:34]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform aha. [22:34]
mats it doesn't. but random passerby has to spend a shiny dime for the privilege of diddling your box [22:34]
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mircea_popescu those are least concern tho [22:35]
mats i have never ventured the opinion these mitigations actually defend against MS, INTC, USG, etc... [22:36]
mircea_popescu what good are they then ? [22:36]
mircea_popescu there is no enemy but the enemy. [22:36]
BingoBoingo those are least concern tho << I'm not sure least concern. Lesser concern, yes. Probably by attack frequency not least. [22:36]
mats i'm a researcher. not a defender offering his opinion on how to defend a winbox. [22:36]
mircea_popescu ah now that's a point [22:36]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: No point being able to beat full USG if vulnerable to papersigners like new look voorhes and shren at the same time. [22:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19722 @ 0.00074179 = 14.6296 BTC [-] {2} [22:38]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo the idea there is that in any situation of scarce resources, you pick the main threat and work towards that. working towards lesser threats is a waste of your resources and promises to paint you in the corner of a local maximum. [22:38]
mircea_popescu it is exactly how the middle class usian became a captive of ipad and suburbia. [22:39]
mircea_popescu they didn't want to fight the government, but niggas passing by [22:39]
mircea_popescu and well... [22:39]
BingoBoingo And so it is [22:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82559 @ 0.0007462 = 61.6055 BTC [+] {7} [22:39]
* BingoBoingo would like to see moar weirdix and weirdonet adapters [22:40]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: incidentally, it rebooted TWICE AGAIN last night [22:41]
mats that some folks suggest the substance of any of my debates begin with 'so explain why i shouldn't windows' indicates they've no idea whats actually being discussed [22:41]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: was down for 2 1/2 hours total, even. [22:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15809 @ 0.00074743 = 11.8161 BTC [+] {3} [22:41]
mircea_popescu i guess the gig is ip [22:41]
mircea_popescu up* [22:41]
* mircea_popescu waves to the poor unfortunate schmuck stuck in this particular shitty job. [22:42]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: see gpggram for another interesting tidbit. [22:42]
* BingoBoingo wonders if there are any li-polymer batteries that fit in 2.5" drive bays [22:44]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: batteries are a trivial thing, this is not the hard part. [22:45]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Sure, making sure everything else is batteried a bit harder, keeping Satan out much harder [22:45]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the hard part is that the box is physically in the hands of a liar and a traitor [22:46]
BingoBoingo There is little recourse possible if the Great Red Dragon and God's lamb decide to wage the final battle of mortal existance in the same toom machine is [22:46]
BingoBoingo That too [22:47]
BingoBoingo definition: toom = the interior space of a tomb [22:47]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1266861 << rescue!!11111 destroy the village to save it! [22:48]
assbot Logged on 09-09-2015 00:57:08; mircea_popescu: "s-as-effort-to-rescue-bitcoin-falters" hahahaha WHAT ? [22:48]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the lulziest part is that this is OFFICIAL usg newspeak. e.g., police 'swat' tanks in my town have big fat RESCUE stencilled on the side [22:48]
asciilifeform they stand ready to 'rescue' folks with hot lead. [22:49]
mircea_popescu http://qntra.net/2015/09/consumers-begin-revolting-bitcoin-is-not-visa/ << this was actually a great read. [22:49]
assbot Consumers Begin Revolting, Bitcoin Is Not Visa | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1VMnHYs ) [22:49]
BingoBoingo It was, major props to thestringpuller [22:50]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1266858 << the mains socket is equally counter-historical, aha [22:51]
assbot Logged on 09-09-2015 00:56:08; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266760 << the idea of children being -ev is so counter-historical. [22:51]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform technology and the spawn of women are not like things, plox no spurious comparisons. [22:51]
asciilifeform but not unrelated - what exactly was ever +ev about offspring once they could no longer be harnessed to the plow, or run the shop ? [22:52]
mircea_popescu i'll consider such arguments once you can take the 3yo product of white woman, put it in cage with 3yo product of thirld world woman, and it emerges victorious. every time. [22:52]
mircea_popescu that consideration makes zero difference doesn't it. [22:52]
mircea_popescu "i'm only worthless because X" is of no practical importance. [22:52]
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asciilifeform turd world is riding the back of the very same train, give'em time. [22:53]
mircea_popescu aite. [22:54]
asciilifeform and if everything were settled via cage match, we would not be having this particular set of problems [22:54]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266784 << lulz of all time. [22:55]
assbot Logged on 08-09-2015 23:46:49; trinque: binary releases.. [22:55]
* asciilifeform recalls the legend where saddam h. supposedly challenged bush II to gladiatorial combat, in lieu of war [22:55]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform if you wish to say "kids are like socket mains" then you must show that white woman kid beats random kid eighty million tries out of eighty million. [22:55]
asciilifeform nah, meant that the -ev thing is strictly a result of events which have no historical parallels [22:56]
asciilifeform not that there is some hidden up-side to it [22:56]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00074213 = 18.5533 BTC [-] [22:56]
mircea_popescu like what events ? [22:56]
asciilifeform prohibitions (in the west, mainly) on 'child labour' etc [22:57]
mircea_popescu the spawn of greek speaking white women in constantinople cca 1200 was equally worthless. [22:58]
mircea_popescu plenty of historical parallels. [22:58]
asciilifeform the extension of 'education' to even 30 y.o. [22:58]
mircea_popescu yup. [22:58]
mircea_popescu byzantine man was schooled up to ~30 [22:58]
asciilifeform i suppose if these count, then we can also count mazdakism in persia [22:58]
mircea_popescu even a few emperors "too young" to assume the crown atthat age [22:58]
mircea_popescu yup. [22:58]
asciilifeform 1000 yrs yet before byzantium [22:58]
asciilifeform then yes, mircea_popescu has it. [22:59]
mircea_popescu and there's at least hte sad end of the manchuko in china [22:59]
mircea_popescu etc [22:59]
mircea_popescu but iirc this sort of fail was on a ~1400 year period in that place. [22:59]
mircea_popescu ie happened on record like 5-6 times already [22:59]
BingoBoingo Sparta still feared by Huns through 900 AD [23:00]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1266803 << ahahaha what ?! [23:01]
assbot Logged on 09-09-2015 00:14:07; midnightmagic: They've claimed that with the microscope on their efforts looking for bugs to discredit them, that this translates into equivalent-to-normal-auditing. (??) [23:01]
mircea_popescu nobody gives a flyiong fuck what they do. [23:01]
asciilifeform bbbbbut mit !!1111!111!!1 [23:01]
mircea_popescu and i mean that in the most literal sense. i doubt even the computers bother reading their code. [23:01]
BingoBoingo bbbbbut mit !!1111!111!!1 << At the point MIT Technology review loses to qntra... [23:04]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: mit dead tree press has been a sad circus, with 'privilege' on every catalogue page, and 'climate' in every other title, for many years. [23:04]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Sure, but qntra won rather quicly [23:05]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2015#1097985 << see also [23:05]
assbot Logged on 12-04-2015 02:55:30; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: my first gig out of school was at an abominable usg-contracting salt mine where little gurlz straight out of mit, for that fact alone, were promoted, repeatedly, over everyone else's head [23:05]
mircea_popescu lmao. so there exists an #anonops on freenode. nobody there, bout half dozen amazon shells. [23:05]
shinohai lol [23:06]
asciilifeform https://anonops.com << them ? [23:07]
assbot AnonOps • Home ... ( http://bit.ly/1K6mWkP ) [23:07]
asciilifeform what a cheap honeypot [23:07]
mircea_popescu “under federal law, a judge is technically allowed to sentence a defendant based on conduct that was uncharged, [or]charged and dismissed, or even charged and acquitted. That’s because the standard of proof at trial is beyond a reasonable doubt while the standard of proof at sentencing is by a preponderance, i.e. more likely than not. […] The government can dismiss charges if it wishes, but if the court thinks yo [23:08]
mircea_popescu u probably did it, you can still be sentenced based on those charges. […] Essentially, the government loses but then gets to punish you anyway.” [23:08]
mircea_popescu lmao [23:08]
mircea_popescu can't even spell preponderence. [23:08]
shinohai There was an i2p irc they had for a while too iirc [23:08]
asciilifeform shinohai: 'they' == usg [23:09]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the 'loses' is a smoke screen to begin with. usg never really loses a trial, how could it [23:10]
shinohai Anon movement never was my thing, seemed quite silly. [23:10]
mircea_popescu oh, but it could. [23:10]
asciilifeform it isn't as if these trials took place in the court of some independent sovereign [23:10]
asciilifeform they take place in usg fortresses [23:10]
mircea_popescu the brits never won a trial in imperial india, not ever. [23:10]
mircea_popescu anyway, note the incredibly braindamaged defense put up by one caduddu [23:11]
mircea_popescu the first mistake these folks make is accepting the inept counsel. [23:12]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1266842 << ->> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=30-01-2015#998185 [23:14]
assbot Logged on 09-09-2015 00:46:13; pete_dushenski: http://righteousmind.com/where-microaggressions-really-come-from/ << A) A Culture of Honor in part 6 aptly describes the wot [23:14]
assbot Logged on 30-01-2015 05:51:36; mircea_popescu: which is why i am not ever giving it up. the freedom to threaten is not merely my fundamental, unassailable sovereign property, but moreover essential for the construction of effectual instruments to squash the socialists and their golums. [23:14]
BingoBoingo “under federal law, a judge is technically allowed to sentence a defendant based on conduct that was uncharged, [or]charged and dismissed, or even charged and acquitted. That’s because the standard of proof at trial is beyond a reasonable doubt while the standard of proof at sentencing is by a preponderance, i.e. more likely than not. […] The government can dismiss charges if it wishes, but if the court thin [23:14]
BingoBoingo ks yo << And people were wondering why I wouldn't just plea out and pay a fine [23:14]
mircea_popescu "microagressions" come from a world that's not starshaped with the "usg" at the center of all things. [23:14]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo yep. only right move. [23:14]
mircea_popescu don't sign with the devil. you will live to regret it if you do. [23:15]
mircea_popescu like shrem, like esr, like EVERYONE who ever did. [23:15]
BingoBoingo "misdemeanor" isn't such anymoar [23:15]
* BingoBoingo this weekend may have actually met targeted operation. Some nigga found me at the bar and kept trying to sell me drugs. [23:16]
BingoBoingo Spotted me specifically, made a bit of smalltalk and then than coon tried to sell me the entire spectrum of drugs. [23:17]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i don't know of any reason to think that esr regrets turning; he probably regrets not taking sufficiently many 'pieces of silver' [23:17]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform same thing. [23:17]
mircea_popescu so does shrem. obviously he's not one bit sorry he fucked the goat. [23:17]
mircea_popescu he just wishes he had more to show for it. [23:17]
mircea_popescu but this is also the problem : you will never be able to get a sufficient number of "nothing". the devil's giold coins have this way of turning to leaves in your hands [23:18]
mircea_popescu that;s kinda the point of the whole "you're his now" [23:18]
asciilifeform aha [23:18]
asciilifeform this is an ancient idea, even [23:18]
asciilifeform recurs in myth and legend [23:18]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo next time film him, put him online. [23:18]
mircea_popescu really butthurts low level wanna-be undercover agents. [23:19]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform aha. [23:19]
BingoBoingo BingoBoingo next time film him, put him online. << He may or may not have been recorded. If his handlers read this they probably ought to see if their agent has a file with one of the more trusted local constables. [23:20]
* asciilifeform just pried open a crate of ru dead tree material concerning crypto research, some of it historical, most of it entirely unavailable in en [23:20]
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mircea_popescu in other news today, asciilifeform reads by the crate. [23:21]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it had to go on a boat! [23:21]
BingoBoingo I thought it was known ascii only read by the crate [23:21]
asciilifeform very spiffy little monograph on a/v stego in there, as well [23:22]
asciilifeform and a tome on polymorphic virii. [23:22]
* asciilifeform usually reads by the MB, but sometimes - by the crate. [23:23]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i confess that i imagine you living in a proper old west town, with saloon, with spittoon [23:24]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1266831 << i don't know the fella personally, but as i gather his main problem is starvation. it makes people foolish, i speak from experience [23:27]
assbot Logged on 09-09-2015 00:41:21; pete_dushenski: it's not like i expect him to go anywhere a la pankkake, tat, or decimation, but i don't trust him. [23:27]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1266873 << how much megablox-moving-horsepower does one get for 20 usd/mo, exactly...? [23:29]
assbot Logged on 09-09-2015 01:04:57; pete_dushenski: "I thought the support BitcoinXT had was way bigger because of so many people praising it on /r/Bitcoin. I wanted to help scale bitcoin so I spent about $200 to set up 10 BitcoinXT nodes for a month." [23:29]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform he didn't think that far ahead. [23:30]
mircea_popescu derp on a 500 bucks budget blows half of it to cover a month of random retardation he found on the net. [23:30]
mircea_popescu these people have less sense than the average insect. [23:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24700 @ 0.00074769 = 18.4679 BTC [+] [23:31]
asciilifeform 500 bux would buy a very decent pistol to eat ! [23:31]
mircea_popescu not in the us. [23:32]
asciilifeform sure it does [23:32]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo, am i mistaken ? [23:32]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1266887 << i managed to lose one of a set of historical bitcoin cufflinks last week. they cost more than his budget back before they became historical. [23:33]
assbot Logged on 09-09-2015 01:08:18; BingoBoingo: hah i spent the equiv of his savings on Eulora stuff alone << Exchange rate adjusted I have spent more drinking at 2nd Mardi gras [23:33]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: speaking of this, does kakobrekla's magical car still run ? [23:33]
mircea_popescu wait you're askinbg me ? [23:33]
BingoBoingo BingoBoingo, am i mistaken ? << $500 in US could buy quality eating pistol [23:33]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: a nagant, circa 1940s, sells for around 100 usd iirc. so the reddit fella could, if he had a bit of budget left, literally eat nagant. [23:34]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Even with more familiar stuff plenty of 1911 clones floating around $350 to $450 new [23:35]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: aha, if for eating, doesn't much matter if the nonpressurized parts are of zamac [23:35]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: And if willing to eat rifle Mosins around $200 [23:35]
BingoBoingo BingoBoingo: aha, if for eating, doesn't much matter if the nonpressurized parts are of zamac << Yes [23:36]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1266921 << dosimIeter check him out, he's developing a russki accent now. [23:36]
assbot Logged on 09-09-2015 01:15:49; *: ben_vulpes dosimieter [23:36]
asciilifeform l0l [23:37]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1266935 << how the fuck is this even supposed to work ? [23:38]
assbot Logged on 09-09-2015 01:28:11; mats: 'control flow guard', which verifies functions at call sites, ensuring target is in fact a function. [23:38]
mircea_popescu gotta leave symbols table in elfxecutables or what ? [23:38]
asciilifeform elf l0l [23:38]
mircea_popescu :) [23:38]
asciilifeform it's winblowz he spoke of, no ? [23:38]
mircea_popescu ya [23:38]
asciilifeform pe ! [23:38]
asciilifeform they haven't got tables of anything, just shit soup. [23:39]
BingoBoingo Everyone knows MP is a darkELF on PDP-99 [23:39]
mircea_popescu wiatwut [23:39]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I though you manced the necros? Isn't that what dark ELF's do? [23:40]
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mircea_popescu but srsly, if anyone who understands these things is willing to explain it to me, how exactly is the kernel going to "verify target is in fact a function" ? [23:40]
mircea_popescu doesn't even seem a halt-decidable problem [23:40]
cazalla BingoBoingo, seriously now.. iksar necro far cooler than delf necro [23:40]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if i had to guess, would say that it checks for a standard prologue before jumping to the return addr found on stack [23:41]
mircea_popescu and this helps because... [23:41]
asciilifeform ask microshit not me. [23:41]
* BingoBoingo wonders why kernel ought to care [23:41]
asciilifeform or ask mats, aha. [23:41]
mircea_popescu things that aren't functions that got injected couldn't have the extra fixed payload injected along ? [23:41]
mats it prevents rop chains [23:41]
mircea_popescu but it doesn't ? [23:41]
asciilifeform mats: nope. so i jump to somewhere that has the prologue. solved. [23:42]
mats yes [23:42]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu has it. [23:42]
mircea_popescu every time the endless chorus of people that keep repeating "no srsly, ms improved" gets me to believe it on a simple "regression to mean" theory, shit like this happens [23:42]
mircea_popescu and im like no, wtf, this is like 1990 all over again [23:42]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Is Soviet Eeyore also a sad donkey? [23:43]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: microshit has not improved a single thing it touched, from z80 rom basic, xenix, msdos (yes), to this day [23:43]
mats it doesn't protect against all forms of control flow hijacking [23:43]
mircea_popescu not that the general problem of "i will now emit a string of bits and you tell me if this is a function" isn't a very interesting ai topic. [23:43]
BingoBoingo Or is he jaundiced instead of Pooh? [23:43]
mircea_popescu but srsly... [23:43]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: nobody is jaundiced in ru transl. of pooh [23:44]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Wow [23:44]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: see https://www.google.com/search?site=&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1438&bih=2473&q=%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B8+%D0%BF%D1%83%D1%85 etc [23:44]
assbot винни пух - Recherche Google ... ( http://bit.ly/1ETm72B ) [23:44]
mircea_popescu o look, alf also knows google img search short form. [23:45]
asciilifeform http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/5702/65435673.1d1/0_87bdb_b406c8ac_orig << american pooh [23:45]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1ETm9Yj ) [23:45]
* BingoBoingo jealous RU pooh has claws [23:47]
* bounce (bounce@unaffiliated/bounce) has joined #bitcoin-assets [23:47]
asciilifeform so today i cut open the winblowz version of 'derive', v.6. it has mulisp buried in there!! a 32-bit version thereof. hand-coded in asm, at least partly. [23:48]
mircea_popescu lol [23:48]
asciilifeform dwarfed by the gui crud [23:48]
asciilifeform (hastily welded on, it is elephantine for the time, hundreds of kB!) [23:49]
asciilifeform mulisp has an interestingly forth-like self-mod compiler [23:49]
asciilifeform very stimulating reading. [23:50]
BingoBoingo so today i cut open the winblowz version of 'derive', v.6. it has mulisp buried in there!! a 32-bit version thereof. hand-coded in asm, at least partly. << I my cursory seach Texas Instruments apparently "owns" derive [23:50]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: they have what, three separate product lines based on it? no shit [23:50]
asciilifeform (not incl. the pc version, which was discontinued a decade ago) [23:50]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Butt, Butt, Butts they depreciated it for ARM shit [23:51]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: still runs it [23:51]
asciilifeform i will add that it is not actually easy to write a useful computeralgebratron. [23:51]
asciilifeform ask anyone who's tried. [23:51]
BingoBoingo Not that they will admit. "Totally supplanted by 'NSpire' thing" [23:51]
* BingoBoingo filling up on ETOH to try to reclaim last week's useful qntra venom [23:54]
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