Forum logs for 05 Feb 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

mike_c	no time for copyediting at the rate he publishes.	[00:00]
chipug	i like the site btw	[00:00]
chipug	lol mike_c	[00:00]
mircea_popescu	mike_c no actually there's a girl reading my shit	[00:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.115 = 0.46 BTC [-]	[00:01]
mircea_popescu	jesus the new blockchain logo is fugly.	[00:02]
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Duffer1	yea it's pretty aweful	[00:02]
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mircea_popescu	why do people do this	[00:02]
mircea_popescu	next they'll put a penguin up there or some emu or something	[00:03]
ThickAsThieves	why do they have it in that retarded boat shape	[00:03]
Duffer1	like they halfassed a QRcodefont	[00:03]
ThickAsThieves	they forgot it was only boat-shaped to fit the silly cube from the prior logo	[00:03]
mircea_popescu	hahaha i guess so!	[00:04]
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mircea_popescu	which cube was already a descend into suck, as their prev logo was still better	[00:04]
jurov	i must have been asleep when i published that... what is a / (1 / b) equal to?	[00:06]
jurov	oh kingofsports is away	[00:07]
jurov	at least benkay is here? try redeem yourself :D	[00:07]
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ThickAsThieves	look at all the lisp clojure biteasy.com	[00:09]
ThickAsThieves	"BitcoinJ is widely used across the Bitcoin community; some users include Bitcoin Wallet for Android, MultiBit, Hive, blockchain.info, the biteasy.com block explorer (written in Lisp!), Circle, Neo/Bee (Cypriot payment network), bitpos.me, Bitcoin Touch, BlueMatt's relay network and DNS crawler, academic advanced contracts research and more."	[00:10]
mircea_popescu	wait what ?!	[00:11]
mircea_popescu	benkay ^ check that shit out	[00:11]
dub	https://twitter.com/Wu_Tang_Finance/status/430823914374037504	[00:15]
ozbot	Twitter / Wu_Tang_Finance: CRYPTOCURRENCIES RULE EVERYTHING ...	[00:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00092836 = 10.212 BTC [+]	[00:15]
mircea_popescu	#derpfinance trending yet ?	[00:15]
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benkay	wu tang finance is inferior white people in blackface	[00:20]
benkay	you have to be an american jew to do that black music well, or actually grow up in the ghetto.	[00:20]
ThickAsThieves	someone trying to take nubbins weed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xat4yw7mJgA#t=25	[00:20]
ThickAsThieves	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1x0e28/request_for_information_for_lawsuit_against/	[00:21]
ozbot	Request for information for lawsuit against Michael Marquardt / Theymos : Bitcoin	[00:22]
ThickAsThieves	headline should be "Things Heat Up for Thermos"	[00:22]
mircea_popescu	lol if they knew the words, yeah.	[00:22]
BingoBoingo	"Thermos keeps things hot"	[00:22]
ThickAsThieves	Thermos Gives Cold Shoulder	[00:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28957 @ 0.00093169 = 26.9789 BTC [+] {2}	[00:25]
benkay	additionally on the bitcoinj topic, the litecoin folks have put together some funds to hire someone to port it to litecoin.	[00:25]
dub	ThickAsThieves: pot holes in ur blog too eh	[00:26]
benkay	do we like hearn?	[00:26]
chipug	loved the thermos thing	[00:27]
chipug	he never responded to that did he?	[00:27]
jurov	he responded on earlier reddit post it's linked there	[00:28]
dub	https://twitter.com/jgarzik/status/430805358240493568	[00:29]
ozbot	Twitter / jgarzik: Decentralized #bitcoin auction ...	[00:29]
dub	garzik saves	[00:29]
ThickAsThieves	ThickAsThieves: pot holes in ur blog too << i skim, and 2dopeboyx	[00:29]
ThickAsThieves	2dopeboyz*	[00:29]
chipug	woah jurov i was meaning the thermos typo and the ensuing piss takes. didn't know MNW was back bumping his gums	[00:30]
jurov	gums? lol	[00:30]
mircea_popescu	benkay we despise hearn.	[00:31]
benkay	mircea_popescu: 'cause google?	[00:31]
ThickAsThieves	i dont despise him	[00:31]
mircea_popescu	nah, cause mole.	[00:32]
BingoBoingo	benkay: The anti-fungibility and other stuff	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	pretty much what he's doing is trying to fuck up bitcoin.	[00:32]
ThickAsThieves	i barely know him though	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	not sometimes. always.	[00:32]
jcpham	oh lolololol is MNW	[00:32]
jcpham	can't take that guy seriously	[00:32]
benkay	oh he's behind the antifungibility song and dance?	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	hearn is the guy that answered experimentally the usg's question as to "what happens in case of major bitcoin fork ?"	[00:33]
benkay	sounds like assume bitcoinj is trash, in that case.	[00:33]
mircea_popescu	by creating one.	[00:33]
ThickAsThieves	Hearn is the kinda guy that tells Amazon they should do drone delivery system	[00:33]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves no, that's what he pretends to be.	[00:33]
mircea_popescu	otherwise, he's the anti-snowden.	[00:33]
mircea_popescu	benkay worth a read in any case.	[00:34]
benkay	doubtless	[00:34]
ThickAsThieves	Hearn at least hates Mastercoin	[00:34]
ThickAsThieves	he has that going for him	[00:34]
ThickAsThieves	is Mastercoin and Open Transactions the same guy?	[00:34]
BingoBoingo	benkay: You may be able to fork and earlier version of BitcoinJ. Whatever runs Multibit 0.5.11 seems... The least bad SPV option. SatoshiDice had been running off of an older BitcoinJ for quite some time.	[00:35]
BingoBoingo	ThickAsThieves: Different guys.	[00:35]
ThickAsThieves	word	[00:35]
ThickAsThieves	Auction Punk ay?	[00:36]
ThickAsThieves	it's 5mos old!	[00:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15065 @ 0.00092836 = 13.9857 BTC [-]	[00:36]
mircea_popescu	lolwut, mnw wants his forum donation bacxk ?	[00:36]
benkay	this punk thing was cool when kdrake put his together. auctionpunk is just shameless derping.	[00:36]
mircea_popescu	this will be a trending topic. "hey guise remember me ? i donated 0.35 btc to your project in 2010.	[00:37]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile i lost all my btc playing dice sites and being scammed on cantina marketplace	[00:37]
mircea_popescu	but since btc is now 100000000 billionz	[00:37]
mircea_popescu	can i have my donation back and be like a rich guy ?"	[00:37]
ThickAsThieves	sure, here are your dollarvalues from back then!	[00:37]
mike_c	i hate that reasoning. like snackman saying "now i was scammed for $100k!"	[00:38]
mircea_popescu	.*...	[00:38]
ThickAsThieves	yknow this Lawsky guy aint so bad http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/3147952575001/regulations-coming-to-bitcoin	[00:39]
mircea_popescu	"cocksuckers coming to bitcoin" more like it.	[00:39]
BingoBoingo	ThickAsThieves: Basically the difference is Open Transactions guy started his thing in 2012 and pretty much only knotwork uses it. Mastercoin guy announed his thing in 2013 and... Profit!	[00:39]
ThickAsThieves	why dont they just mate?	[00:40]
mircea_popescu	was before 2012	[00:40]
mircea_popescu	i sponsored it with some btc in 2012 iirc and it was ancient then	[00:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.129 = 1.161 BTC [-] {2}	[00:41]
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mircea_popescu	mike_c at least gives kids something to do. rather than them keeping track of the pretend value of their "investments"	[00:42]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.1243 = 0.2486 BTC [-]	[00:42]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I don't know the exact open transactions birthdate, but it seems older than me	[00:42]
mircea_popescu	they keep track of the pretend value of their "scams"	[00:42]
mircea_popescu	i think it's 2011	[00:42]
mircea_popescu	early. 2011.	[00:43]
mike_c	hah, yeah. there's even a website for it isn't there? btc sob stories.	[00:43]
ThickAsThieves	http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/4/5377984/dogecoin-community-raises-money-to-send-service-dogs-to-kids	[00:44]
ozbot	Dogecoin community raises money to send service dogs to kids and families in need \| The Verge	[00:44]
ThickAsThieves	these dogecoiners are pretty slimey	[00:44]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=448847.0	[00:44]
ozbot	WARNING: PAYPAL STARTED MASSIVE ACCOUNT BAN ON ANYTHING BITCOIN RELATED	[00:44]
mircea_popescu	btw, if you're in the btc/paypal game :	[00:44]
mircea_popescu	apparently they're going nuts over there.	[00:44]
mircea_popescu	"Dogecoin Control Group is running out of retarded sacharine stories to pump their scammy coin. Strangely, the "defraud early investors" thing they pulled yest isn't mentioned"	[00:45]
jcpham	i personally dump dogecoin daily	[00:46]
jcpham	total pump/dump	[00:46]
jcpham	might as well float these dogecoiners on for awhile though	[00:46]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=441485.0	[00:47]
ozbot	Fee deducted from the transferred amount. Insane.	[00:47]
mircea_popescu	this is the lol of al ltime	[00:47]
chipug	I wanted to see how pool mining worked, so I used doge. then i was given some. I don't know what i should be doing with them	[00:47]
ThickAsThieves	you should be selling them	[00:47]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.12310001 BTC [-]	[00:47]
mircea_popescu	chipug anything that doesn't involve you trading anything you value for them	[00:47]
jcpham	i trade it for btc and encourage others to do the same	[00:47]
chipug	i only have 2041 (lol the 41 was my mining experiment)	[00:48]
jcpham	that's like an hours worth	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	anyone here got a hashcoins asci thingee ?	[00:48]
chipug	yeah i was satisfied at that point	[00:48]
chipug	i just wanted to do the process	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	chipug on an optimistic view they're worth like a bitcent or two.	[00:49]
jurov	http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/aQqAOEd_460sa.gif	[00:49]
mircea_popescu	"Your words are nothing but attempt to darken our company. "	[00:49]
BingoBoingo	chipug: Go on Bitcointalk and trade your Doge for Altcoin	[00:49]
ThickAsThieves	www.therealaltcoin.org	[00:49]
chipug	urgh but btctalk man	[00:49]
mircea_popescu	alt miners take doge ?!	[00:49]
ThickAsThieves	good question	[00:50]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Only one way to find out...	[00:50]
chipug	is this your one ThickAsThieves?	[00:50]
ThickAsThieves	yes and no	[00:50]
ThickAsThieves	it's mine in that it happened cuz me	[00:50]
ThickAsThieves	but i dont own it	[00:50]
ThickAsThieves	or any Altcoins	[00:50]
ThickAsThieves	yet	[00:50]
BingoBoingo	Any way this electronic Doge thing has been happening for a long time nao https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIBO	[00:51]
chipug	should i take that as a negative flag?!	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=448464.0	[00:51]
ozbot	***** EXPOSED FRAUD WARNING ************	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	dub you gotta read that one.	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	HIS CRIME	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	1. BULLSHIT	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	2. MORE BULLSHIT	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	3. EVEN MORE BULLSHIT	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	4. CONMAN TRAITS	[00:51]
dub	heh	[00:51]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.119 = 0.238 BTC [+]	[00:51]
ThickAsThieves	PROVE IT?Huh? OK	[00:51]
ThickAsThieves	NUMBER 1 BULLSHIT	[00:51]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[00:51]
chipug	i'm sorry guys but i see the forum like a daily soap or something. i can only find 8% serious	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	chipug that's exactly it.	[00:52]
mircea_popescu	we mine it for comedy gold.	[00:52]
jcpham	I wouldn't read the forum on any type of regular basis	[00:52]
jcpham	these guys do	[00:52]
chipug	it really is it times. i really wish i had seen the cosby coin fiasco	[00:52]
jcpham	that was classic	[00:52]
mircea_popescu	cosby coin fiascoed ?!	[00:52]
jcpham	I showed it to my boss and he was like WTF close the browser now	[00:52]
mircea_popescu	ono all my savings!	[00:52]
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chipug	lol so wish i had seen it	[00:53]
jcpham	best .js i've seen in a hack in a few years	[00:53]
jcpham	entertaining	[00:53]
chipug	i prefer humour hacks	[00:55]
chipug	if any hacking needs to be done, at least add in something funny	[00:55]
jcpham	http://i.imgur.com/aNbE5.gif	[00:55]
chipug	they were all over the forum too werent they?	[00:56]
chipug	another issue i have with btctalk community is i find out later I've been speaking to the same person about a hundred times, no idea	[00:57]
chipug	just say who you are	[00:57]
ThickAsThieves	so make a wot forum	[00:57]
ThickAsThieves	with reputation filters	[00:58]
BingoBoingo	http://jalopnik.com/putin-critic-finds-200-pound-wooden-cock-on-roof-of-her-1515890130/@sarah-hedgecock	[00:58]
ozbot	Putin Critic Finds 200-Pound Wooden Cock On Roof Of Her BMW	[00:58]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves you know about a year ago i made an invite only forum	[00:58]
ThickAsThieves	Click here to ignore all noobs	[00:58]
mircea_popescu	it died, because i didn't invite idiots and everyone got bored and went back to btctalk	[00:58]
ThickAsThieves	sounds about right	[00:58]
ThickAsThieves	people need at least the option of idiots	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	tbh im really happy with this solution	[00:59]
ThickAsThieves	but IRC aint so bad for edutainment	[00:59]
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ThickAsThieves	yeah	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	the forum's overthere, mpoe-pr sends me the nuggets...	[00:59]
chipug	BingoBoingo: i like how the mother in the background isn't caring about her young child, too busy snapping the giant cock in front of them both.	[01:00]
benkay	children should be more frequently exposed to genitalia.	[01:00]
dub	Buffett on -assets http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/332831-it-s-better-to-hang-out-with-people-better-than-you	[01:01]
mircea_popescu	lol	[01:01]
BingoBoingo	chipug: Well, good parents realize they have to let their children fall and realize ice is slick	[01:01]
chipug	we just killed our site to get rid of the arseholes	[01:01]
chipug	quiet while we build it back up	[01:01]
chipug	i wasn't thinking on the falling, more the giant cock in front of her	[01:02]
chipug	"mum, why doesn't our car have a huge penis on it?"	[01:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 739 @ 0.00082103 = 0.6067 BTC [+] {2}	[01:02]
mircea_popescu	"ask your dad"	[01:03]
chipug	lolololol	[01:03]
wao-ender	http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/02/04/journalists-at-sochi-are-live-tweeting-their-hilarious-and-gross-hotel-experiences/	[01:03]
ozbot	Journalists at Sochi are live-tweeting their hilarious and gross hotel experiences	[01:03]
chipug	there is a forum coming, in a while	[01:04]
kakobrekla	goats thing?	[01:04]
chipug	crypto finance forum with a private section	[01:04]
chipug	nope	[01:04]
chipug	no goats, i don't know him	[01:04]
mircea_popescu	young padawan.	[01:04]
chipug	are you meaning trolly goat from btctalk?	[01:04]
kakobrekla	he is doing something of the sort	[01:04]
kakobrekla	yes	[01:04]
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chipug	the forum does present this weird thing of knowing who people are without ever having spoken to them. like when you know people at school just from attending the same building	[01:05]
KRS-	Lol they be trippin over the logo and shit.	[01:06]
chipug	holy shit preev. the forum really has 4.5 mil???	[01:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [O] [O.USD.C095T] 880 @ 0.02475688 = 21.7861 BTC [+]	[01:06]
ThickAsThieves	here comes another wave?	[01:07]
benkay	https://twitter.com/bitcoin_txt/status/430699511816941568	[01:07]
ozbot	Twitter / bitcoin_txt: I informed the manager and ...	[01:07]
mircea_popescu	so everyone's decided upupuo ?	[01:07]
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kakobrekla	well no, the treasurers have that	[01:07]
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KRS-	ThickAsThieves: What is it about ATC that allows everyone to finally focus on ONE coin? Looks like you just added another.	[01:08]
mircea_popescu	15th standard	[01:09]
benkay	reason fifteen million bitcoin is not consumer tech	[01:09]
chipug	amazing how all these people who were like fuck LTC are lining up their doge wallets nicely underneath their btc addresses for tips	[01:09]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[01:09]
mircea_popescu	gotta keep those quarter cents flowing	[01:09]
chipug	do you guys all trade as your primary business?	[01:11]
ThickAsThieves	formerly mostly	[01:11]
chipug	sorry if nosy	[01:11]
dub	lolrussia	[01:13]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13948 @ 0.00093045 = 12.9779 BTC [+]	[01:14]
kakobrekla	chipug, no, not everyone trades as primary biz	[01:14]
kakobrekla	i dont know if anyone does that at all	[01:15]
mircea_popescu	$t m ^oix	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	!t m ^oix	[01:16]
assbot	[MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 122.22370491 / 98.04225811 / 97.72401779 (894 shares, 22.39 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)	[01:16]
ThickAsThieves	ThickAsThieves: What is it about ATC that allows everyone to finally focus on ONE coin? Looks like you just added another. <<<< No, I shifted the paradigm.	[01:17]
chipug	what do you do kakobrekla?	[01:18]
truffles	eats cows	[01:18]
truffles	and pigs	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	i'm starting a donation.	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	drive.	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	to clothe the czechs.	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	http://31.media.tumblr.com/1f1431aba2c7bca3a42c1fa9a27b8acc/tumblr_mfycor10aR1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	there are very many sad czech ppl because no clothes at the moment	[01:19]
KRS-	ew	[01:19]
ThickAsThieves	and feed while youre at it	[01:19]
chipug	1. dude she needs to trim the minge mullets she has going on down there and 2. why the fuck is she outside?!	[01:19]
KRS-	ThickAsThieves: so its the final altcoin for everyone to concentrate on it because you say it is?	[01:19]
chipug	im thinner than that atm :'(	[01:20]
ThickAsThieves	it's not for me to say	[01:20]
kakobrekla	chipug i got asked that same question about an hour ago. i said "nothing."	[01:20]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 3 @ 0.04999999 = 0.15 BTC [+]	[01:20]
KRS-	I don't see that it serves a purpose, unless I'm missing something.	[01:20]
ThickAsThieves	have you missed things before?	[01:20]
KRS-	of course	[01:20]
ThickAsThieves	well, there ya go!	[01:20]
chipug	must be interesting if two people ask in an hour though right kakobrekla?	[01:20]
diametric	so i was informed of altcoin today	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	KRS- you prolly missed my comments earlier. grep for straight man story	[01:21]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1220 @ 0.00012305 = 0.1501 BTC [-] {3}	[01:21]
diametric	my body is ready	[01:21]
KRS-	ok	[01:21]
kakobrekla	chipug new people do that to you	[01:21]
chipug	mircea_popescu: how old is this pic? looks 70s 80s	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	diametric you gonna carry it to term ?	[01:21]
truffles	chipug is your balls smooth shaved?	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	chipug 2011	[01:21]
diametric	mircea_popescu: absolutely	[01:21]
KRS-	lol lark	[01:21]
KRS-	..	[01:21]
ThickAsThieves	the question is	[01:21]
ThickAsThieves	Do you even mine Altcoin?	[01:21]
chipug	truffles: i don't shave. can't stand the stubble. epilation ftw my balls are as smooth as the day you were born	[01:21]
KRS-	thanks haha	[01:22]
KRS-	and cheers to ThickAsThieves	[01:22]
truffles	hmmm	[01:22]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves "do you even altmine coin" you mean.	[01:22]
chipug	i dunno truffles lol i dont have any balls	[01:22]
truffles	ha	[01:22]
KRS-	lol fag?	[01:22]
KRS-	or vag	[01:23]
chipug	unich	[01:23]
KRS-	hehe	[01:23]
ThickAsThieves	eunich?	[01:23]
chipug	she has nice bewbs that chick mircea_popescu swear the cars look super old though!!!	[01:23]
truffles	there's a harem somewhere needing of ur care	[01:23]
chipug	thanks ThickAsThieves you know, i typed it and was sitting thinking, that doesn't look right	[01:23]
kakobrekla	truffles gotta slaughter a pig as the right of passage for that	[01:23]
truffles	make it 3	[01:24]
ThickAsThieves	well, we're all wrong	[01:24]
ThickAsThieves	it's Eunuch	[01:24]
chipug	it's ok! we can sleep tonight now we know for certain!	[01:24]
pankkake	gnu's not unich	[01:24]
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ThickAsThieves	time for the daily ticks report!	[01:25]
herbijudlestoids	haha	[01:25]
herbijudlestoids	not yet	[01:25]
ThickAsThieves	:)	[01:26]
benkay	nice pankkake	[01:27]
truffles	what did he make cake?	[01:28]
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truffles	id like some	[01:32]
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herbijudlestoids	ok...so does anyone actually want the daily ticks report? :P	[01:35]
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herbijudlestoids	i dun wanna spam it if people dont care	[01:35]
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herbijudlestoids	ok...20 tick return dist, volatility, DPO and volume http://imgur.com/q3hWvua,foEGS3c,g9VpbGm,OkRuf5A	[01:38]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 243 @ 0.000824 = 0.2002 BTC [+]	[01:40]
kakobrekla	hm	[01:40]
kakobrekla	i wonder if i can make herbijudlestoids draw a nice gaussian curve or maybe even a hockey stick	[01:40]
chipug	wow /r/bitcoin is just turning into btctalk in a different coat	[01:41]
pankkake	it was always worse	[01:41]
kakobrekla	without him knowing ofc.	[01:42]
kakobrekla	or is that just too evil	[01:42]
herbijudlestoids	kakobrekla: i doubt it :)	[01:42]
pankkake	top lulz in http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinStocks/	[01:42]
kakobrekla	well i doubt i couldnt yea	[01:43]
kakobrekla	but i guess the collateral damage is too great.	[01:43]
herbijudlestoids	to draw a normal distribution youd need to eliminate points from the dataseries, to kill off the tails	[01:43]
kakobrekla	but i can make up any arbitrary new center of the gauss	[01:44]
herbijudlestoids	and lets say whatever plan you come up with has an unintended consequence which leads to a vol spike, fat tails again :P	[01:44]
BingoBoingo	kakobrekla: What about tits? First get him to draw 4 tits, and then make them bigger tits.	[01:45]
kakobrekla	:D	[01:45]
herbijudlestoids	sure you can, but how will you actually do that in the market	[01:45]
herbijudlestoids	im skeptical :)	[01:45]
kakobrekla	i dont have to do it on the market ;)	[01:45]
herbijudlestoids	cryptic vagueness always helps me feel like i know wtf	[01:46]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: He runs assbot...	[01:46]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids sure.	[01:46]
herbijudlestoids	lucky im about to switch to the RSS feed :P	[01:46]
kakobrekla	you spoiler you	[01:46]
kakobrekla	bb	[01:46]
mircea_popescu	people spam naked ladies all the time, what's some bars.	[01:47]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 46 @ 0.00286013 = 0.1316 BTC [+]	[01:47]
mircea_popescu	pankkake that shit's epic, they manage to have an entire subreddit dedicated to bitcoinstocks including no actual bitcoin stocks.	[01:48]
mircea_popescu	i guess it must be because of all the beef they eat that includes no beef.	[01:48]
kakobrekla	vegan blood sausages	[01:50]
herbijudlestoids	shame there is no listed options on MPOE	[01:50]
herbijudlestoids	it would be great to calculate an MPVIX	[01:50]
mircea_popescu	well... wannabe exchanges too busy listing crap.	[01:51]
mircea_popescu	maybeoneday.jpg	[01:51]
mircea_popescu	http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinStocks/comments/1w1jce/ukyo_actm_forms/ << pretty lulzy dramafest.	[01:54]
ozbot	Ukyo & ActM forms? : BitcoinStocks	[01:54]
herbijudlestoids	S&P500 looking ugly down from highs, but my systemic risk indicator still claiming its a healthy regime...	[01:55]
herbijudlestoids	anyone thoughts on the regular economy for this year?	[01:55]
mircea_popescu	it's the end of regular economy, this year.	[01:56]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: Invert all of the GDPs	[01:56]
herbijudlestoids	i dun think the GDP forecasts for this year are pretty	[01:56]
herbijudlestoids	i think world GDP forecast <2.5%	[01:57]
mircea_popescu	-2.5% ?	[01:58]
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ThickAsThieves	can someone load www.havelockinvestments.com currently?	[01:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81052 @ 0.00093378 = 75.6847 BTC [+] {4}	[01:58]
ThickAsThieves	it stalls on me constantly	[01:58]
ThickAsThieves	i think cloudflare hate me	[01:59]
herbijudlestoids	stalling here	[01:59]
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mircea_popescu	cloudflare is one of the worst things that happened to the internet recently.	[02:00]
mircea_popescu	i have no idea why people were so derpy about sopa,	[02:00]
mircea_popescu	it wasn't nearly as bad as cloudflare.	[02:00]
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pankkake	NSAFlare*	[02:04]
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mircea_popescu	2% ? fucking hell, they cost money and do nothing.	[02:05]
mircea_popescu	the same asswipe public that keeps forcing isps to do these "unlimited" bs deals and "everything for fiddy cents" and so on	[02:05]
mircea_popescu	those same people turn around and pay cloudlfare to... hijack their dns and talk about "rays'	[02:06]
dub	wat	[02:06]
dub	rays wat	[02:06]
mircea_popescu	dub sorry your message couldn't be delivered because clourflare. ray id 98759847	[02:07]
dub	ohj	[02:07]
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pankkake	2% what?	[02:07]
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mircea_popescu	pankkake the recent netcraft report actually fucking mentions cloudflare	[02:07]
pankkake	oh…	[02:08]
pankkake	cloudflare is mostly free by the way	[02:08]
mircea_popescu	because that's why i read netcraft reports, for bullshit product placement.	[02:08]
pankkake	well, paid by the NSA	[02:08]
mircea_popescu	i'm so sick of this pretend fiat capitalism thing they do.	[02:08]
mircea_popescu	pankkake i wonder if i could get tor through cloudflare on an amazon server ?	[02:08]
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assbot	[MPEX] [O] [O.USD.C125T] 317 @ 0.01531827 = 4.8559 BTC [-]	[02:11]
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kakobrekla	hi philip	[02:11]
nubbins`	heh	[02:12]
nubbins`	philip is just a test name	[02:12]
testname33	hi!	[02:12]
mircea_popescu	lol i was thinking the same thing	[02:13]
kakobrekla	menstrual cycles all synced up	[02:15]
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mircea_popescu	hahaha	[02:15]
mircea_popescu	i didn't know you still had menstruation in frigid slovenia.	[02:16]
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Bugpowder	21,000BTC short ITM puts?	[02:16]
herbijudlestoids	ok what about Dec 30 2014 BTCUSD price prediction	[02:16]
mircea_popescu	ditm	[02:17]
Steve__	thats a lot of puts	[02:17]
kakobrekla	herbijudlestoids bitbet does that	[02:17]
mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/635/1btc-10-000-usd/ herbijudlestoids	[02:17]
ozbot	BitBet - 1BTC >= $10,000 USD	[02:17]
kakobrekla	...	[02:17]
kakobrekla	told ya, its synced up	[02:17]
kakobrekla	-assets are now one	[02:18]
mircea_popescu	bitcoincube	[02:18]
kakobrekla	a few more days and ill set it to +m , we do not need to converse any longer	[02:19]
mircea_popescu	#trilema is +m	[02:19]
mircea_popescu	nice and peaceful	[02:19]
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kakobrekla	but there you got all that pussy voices	[02:19]
mircea_popescu	yeah	[02:19]
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mircea_popescu	kakobrekla btw you gotta go tyhrough the bash queue	[02:21]
ThickAsThieves	[MPEX] [O] [O.USD.C125T] 317 @ 0.01531827 = 4.8559 BTC [-] <<< Bugpowder wants to play	[02:22]
mircea_popescu	haha is it ?	[02:22]
nubbins`	ThickAsThieves: heavy lel @ that action bronson video	[02:24]
ThickAsThieves	:)	[02:24]
nubbins`	what sort of security guard pops up on stage and shoves the performer?	[02:24]
ThickAsThieves	that dude sure knows how to rap too	[02:24]
nubbins`	after the second shove back, i think the guard realized he was in too deep	[02:24]
ThickAsThieves	yeah, some force there	[02:25]
nubbins`	funny tho, crowd tossing joints up on stage	[02:25]
ThickAsThieves	looked like he might sprout horns and charge	[02:25]
nubbins`	he lights them and throws them back	[02:25]
nubbins`	lel	[02:25]
ThickAsThieves	people have started conspirati to say he hires people to make shit like that happen at his shows	[02:25]
ThickAsThieves	not the first time apparently	[02:25]
nubbins`	heh	[02:25]
ThickAsThieves	either way, nice troll then	[02:26]
nubbins`	nod	[02:26]
nubbins`	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfP7qK0khuQ	[02:26]
ozbot	Action Bronson - "Strictly 4 My Jeeps" (Official Video) - YouTube	[02:26]
ThickAsThieves	like MF Doom sending impersonators to play for him	[02:26]
nubbins`	more badass than 90% of rap videos	[02:26]
nubbins`	hahah yeah	[02:27]
nubbins`	imagine that	[02:27]
nubbins`	such a burn	[02:27]
nubbins`	reminds me of when billy corgan let it slip that he didn't like the way his band played on siamese dream	[02:27]
nubbins`	so he re-recorded all their parts himself	[02:27]
nubbins`	"hey, remember that landmark piece of pop culture history that you thought you were a part of?"	[02:27]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[02:27]
nubbins`	"well, turns out you're just a name in the liner notes"	[02:28]
ThickAsThieves	we did that in our band once	[02:28]
ThickAsThieves	stakes werent nearly as high	[02:28]
Bugpowder	Seems like a pretty cheap price	[02:28]
nubbins`	nod	[02:28]
chipug	my client freaked out. someone swore and mentioned cloudflare	[02:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04948998 = 0.2474 BTC [-]	[02:30]
chipug	peta?	[02:31]
nubbins`	some mining turd	[02:32]
nubbins`	peta being an SI prefix, not an acronym	[02:32]
dub	ThickAsThieves: kinda like vengaboys throwing wads of cash into crowds	[02:33]
dub	but different	[02:33]
kakobrekla	lol mircea_popescu, endoftheworld.swf outside, 4 days bash queue UNACEPTABRU	[02:35]
kakobrekla	anyway flushed	[02:36]
dub	its just a big of climate change, chill out	[02:36]
dub	bit*	[02:36]
kakobrekla	chill out? its already cool.	[02:36]
ThickAsThieves	http://playwithcoin.com/a-land-based-casino-in-cyprus-is-now-accepting-bitcoin/	[02:36]
herbijudlestoids	ff27 out	[02:36]
ozbot	A LAND BASED CASINO IN CYPRUS IS NOW ACCEPTING BITCOIN \| Play With Coin	[02:36]
herbijudlestoids	seems ok	[02:36]
ThickAsThieves	caps!	[02:36]
dub	land based casino	[02:37]
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herbijudlestoids	dub: yea as opposed to the floating ones in macau :)	[02:37]
ThickAsThieves	air casino been taking btc	[02:37]
asciilifeform	what next, the floating, then orbiting casinos?	[02:37]
kakobrekla	is dat local area netword daemon '	[02:37]
kakobrekla	network*	[02:37]
*	dub land's kakobrekla	[02:37]
ThickAsThieves	floating ones on cruises too	[02:37]
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kakobrekla	aww i been boarded	[02:38]
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herbijudlestoids	the floating casinos in macau are not very good imho	[02:39]
herbijudlestoids	i was in HK not long ago for work	[02:39]
ThickAsThieves	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6kgvhG3AkI#t=3150	[02:40]
ozbot	Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham - HD - YouTube	[02:40]
kakobrekla	yeah they should do bigint casino	[02:40]
ThickAsThieves	(live)	[02:40]
herbijudlestoids	ThickAsThieves: thx! i saw a tweet about it and wanted to watch	[02:40]
dub	fuck dat is?	[02:40]
nubbins`	ah, i remember nye vs ham	[02:40]
nubbins`	that's today?	[02:40]
asciilifeform	what qualifies as 'bigint casino'? All bets must be >= 2^64 + 1 ?	[02:41]
ThickAsThieves	Ham is going ham	[02:41]
asciilifeform	or rather, >= 2^65	[02:41]
nubbins`	i like his slides	[02:41]
nubbins`	"see? the seven Cs"	[02:41]
nubbins`	AHH OK I GET IT	[02:41]
ThickAsThieves	it's like debate via ermahgerd	[02:42]
ThickAsThieves	like i couldnt even debate this guy	[02:42]
ThickAsThieves	cuz i'd hate him for making me take these words seriously	[02:43]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20782 @ 0.00093713 = 19.4754 BTC [+]	[02:44]
ThickAsThieves	if you acknowledge sin you can make better computer chips	[02:45]
ThickAsThieves	tell reddit!	[02:45]
mircea_popescu	lol mircea_popescu, endoftheworld.swf outside, 4 days bash queue UNACEPTABRU <<<	[02:45]
ThickAsThieves	JesusErupter	[02:45]
mircea_popescu	that's just how we roll.	[02:45]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves i hear that was mary magdalene.	[02:45]
dub	kakobrekla needs to show more commitment to the team	[02:46]
BingoBoingo	ThickAsThieves: This is Activemining Ken, the one based in Springfield Missouri?	[02:46]
kakobrekla	lol	[02:46]
ThickAsThieves	what?	[02:46]
ThickAsThieves	this?	[02:46]
BingoBoingo	ThickAsThieves: Jesus erupters guy.	[02:46]
ThickAsThieves	oh, no	[02:47]
ThickAsThieves	i'm refering to Ham	[02:47]
dub	is he drunk?	[02:47]
ThickAsThieves	talking about how if we accept jesus we can make better tech	[02:47]
ThickAsThieves	so maybe more hashes!	[02:47]
pankkake	jesus multiplies hashes	[02:47]
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ThickAsThieves	turns water into whine	[02:48]
BingoBoingo	But Jesus preaches flatness and poverty. Satan though teaches structure and efficiency. Has he read the Divine Comedy? Hell is nothing if not organized.	[02:48]
mircea_popescu	more like "our delivery would be nothing short of miraculous at this pooint "	[02:48]
kakobrekla	hashes are like prayers, you dont know what god will use them for as you dont know what Luke-Jr will use them for	[02:48]
dub	havent seen much on the bitcoin is the devils one world currency tip	[02:49]
jayk	win 3	[02:49]
mircea_popescu	no, you kinda know what luje will use them for.	[02:49]
mircea_popescu	you just don't really wanna think about it.	[02:49]
dub	unless raping your own children is your deal	[02:49]
Luke-Jr	still trolling hard in here, I see.	[02:49]
nubbins`	^ he's talking about nye vs ham	[02:50]
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nubbins`	lel	[02:50]
mircea_popescu	what's a nye ?	[02:50]
nubbins`	bill nye, the science guy!	[02:50]
dub	its a bill	[02:50]
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Luke-Jr	a hardcore evolutionist would-be dictator	[02:50]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` you linespoiler you :D	[02:50]
pankkake	I thought it was coin nye	[02:50]
nubbins`	:D	[02:50]
mircea_popescu	this was the perfect plot in my head : dub says its a bill, pankake says i thought its a coin	[02:51]
mircea_popescu	now you gotta go ruin my dictatorsheep.	[02:51]
nubbins`	we'll have to work on our timing	[02:51]
dub	Luke-Jr says evilldooer	[02:51]
mircea_popescu	why, is luke dutch ?	[02:51]
nubbins`	maybe if he smoked some dutch he'd figure a few things out ;(	[02:52]
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dub	try not to die in a fire xx	[02:52]
nubbins`	wait a minute, i wasn't doing that before.	[02:52]
pankkake	my head is kinda eating itself	[02:53]
nubbins`	chewing your hair doesn't count	[02:53]
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dub	mircea_popescu: please tell me you've seen Nell	[02:53]
dub	jodie foster at her most fuckable	[02:54]
mircea_popescu	i have not seen nell.	[02:54]
nubbins`	this bill nye thing is great	[02:54]
dub	get to it ffs	[02:54]
nubbins`	because he used to have a show explaining science to kids	[02:54]
nubbins`	and today he's explaining it to sub-human mouth breathers	[02:54]
mircea_popescu	dub i have added it to the list of films the girls will be stealing	[02:54]
mircea_popescu	because they wouldn't download a multiplex, or a car.	[02:54]
dub	perfect casting too, all she had to do was act retarded!	[02:55]
ThickAsThieves	tayaya inna weeen!	[02:55]
nubbins`	you can actually see the people in the crowd who just aren't listening	[02:56]
nubbins`	tough crowd	[02:57]
Duffer1	http://www.businessinsider.com/dogecoin-just-solved-a-problem-bitcoin-will-face-2014-2	[02:58]
ozbot	Dogecoin Just Solved A Problem Bitcoin Will Face - Business Insider	[02:58]
Duffer1	chocked full of comedy	[02:58]
dub	lol	[02:58]
BingoBoingo	Dogecoin and Business Insider were made for each other.	[02:59]
mircea_popescu	Duffer1 "how to spend money you don't have to pay people nobody reads to say ridiculously stupid shit which is how they got to not be read in the first place" ?	[02:59]
mircea_popescu	we've long solved this problem really.	[02:59]
mircea_popescu	you take two professional joggers and dress them up in facebook polo shirts.	[03:00]
herbijudlestoids	hey Duffer1: on your advice i made the thing into a blog post...aside from a kind word from jurov the response was pretty underwhelming :P http://bitquant.blogspot.com.au/2014/02/just-dice-kelly-criterion-sensitivity.html	[03:00]
mircea_popescu	" That's a lot to pay for a single Bitcoin for someone just entering the market. "	[03:01]
dub	this is why we ignore australia	[03:01]
mircea_popescu	seriously, this is what they write now.	[03:01]
pankkake	"Money, like every commodity, works best when the supply can adjust efficiently to the demand." that is EXACTLY bernankoin	[03:01]
pankkake	doge is still inflating less each year	[03:01]
pankkake	in percent	[03:01]
mircea_popescu	pankkake it's fascinating how they completely gloss over the part where one group (the scammers behind it) stole the resources of the rest of the people involved (every idiot that bought some, mined some, or pumped it up until two days ago)	[03:02]
mircea_popescu	this happens, of course, tol ALSO be exactly how "normal" fiat currencies like the dollar operate.	[03:02]
mircea_popescu	fuck you granpa, so you've worked for thirty years to make the us work ? here's some inflation. enjoy your fixed income.	[03:02]
mircea_popescu	and the fact that this will continue happening i nthe future, arbitrarily, is like... splendeed.	[03:03]
nubbins`	lel	[03:03]
herbijudlestoids	its worse than that mircea_popescu because not all granpas get it equal	[03:03]
nubbins`	whenever bill nye mentions science, he makes a gesture that indicates he's talking about things that happen outside the building he's in	[03:04]
mircea_popescu	ofcourse.	[03:04]
herbijudlestoids	if you started on the fixed income 10y ago, much better than 5y ago	[03:04]
Duffer1	herbijudlestoids sorry to hear that mate, do you plan to keep up with the blogging?	[03:04]
dignork	somebody wishes to co-rent with me seedbox account? it's 14EU/mo, but I want to pay only half of it.	[03:04]
dignork	lol, wrong window	[03:04]
herbijudlestoids	Duffer1: i am thinking of writing a piece on the "market implied EPS growth rate" of MPOE, but want to verify the data that i can see on btcalpha	[03:04]
Duffer1	i don't know if the audience for that manner of analysis is here yet in bitcoinland, but i bet it will be sometime	[03:05]
kakobrekla	pankkake how do bailouts work?	[03:06]
herbijudlestoids	well, i did implement one of my simple mean reversion models for MPOE too, maybe a "trade this and get rich quick" blog post will be more persuasive :P	[03:06]
Duffer1	yea lol that'd do it, even if your blog was hokus pokus magic it'd still be popular	[03:07]
herbijudlestoids	im not doing this for an audience or anything, its all a matter of incidental curiosity, but i thought your suggestion was nice :)	[03:07]
mike_c	herbijudlestoids: you have a question about the data on btcalpha?	[03:08]
mircea_popescu	did you just stick with braindamaged blogspot and then whine that nobody seems to have noticed ?	[03:08]
pankkake	kakobrekla: for now you have to bail yourself out by printing more	[03:08]
pankkake	no central authority	[03:08]
kakobrekla	hm	[03:08]
kakobrekla	thats no bailout	[03:08]
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herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: lol well its not that nobody noticed, the post is still getting hits, was referring to a couple of the comments left on /r/BitCoin	[03:09]
pankkake	I'll take better ideas for YellenCoin	[03:09]
mircea_popescu	oic.	[03:09]
kakobrekla	bailout would mean no actual work was done pankkake	[03:09]
benkay	herbijudlestoids: https://www.fpcomplete.com/business/blog/moving-quantitative-finance-industry/	[03:09]
herbijudlestoids	mike_c: not a question so much as i dont know who runs/operates the website so i dunno if i can trust the data...just wanted to verify it myself	[03:10]
mike_c	i do.	[03:10]
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mike_c	data is culled from monthly reports on trilema. if you want to verify yourself, there are links to all the monthly reports on the left rail of the stock page	[03:10]
herbijudlestoids	dont take offense, how was i supposed to know that :P	[03:11]
mike_c	no offense taken	[03:11]
mike_c	just trying to help	[03:11]
BingoBoingo	pankkake: For Yellencoin increase block reward as the square of the increase in mining difficulty?	[03:11]
nubbins`	i'd like to take a public-domain text and then typeset, silkscreen, and bind the entire thing by hand, but i'm having trouble choosing a book	[03:11]
nubbins`	not being religious, i can't think of a book i care enough about to put such an enormous amount of effort into	[03:12]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids cause i told you like 3 days ago ?	[03:12]
kakobrekla	nubbins` how many pages	[03:12]
nubbins`	'through the looking-glass' isn't long enough, know what i mean?	[03:12]
herbijudlestoids	that mike_c runs the website?	[03:12]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[03:12]
pankkake	maybe but still boring… maybe let the users "vote" on what should be the reward	[03:12]
nubbins`	kako, not sure. couple hundred max, maybe	[03:12]
herbijudlestoids	must have missed it	[03:12]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[03:12]
herbijudlestoids	benkay: hmmm is there a page on fpcomplete.com which explains what exactly fpcomplete is? :P	[03:13]
nubbins`	bonus points if it's something that a person might want to purchase at some point	[03:13]
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kakobrekla	log is public domain	[03:13]
BingoBoingo	nubbins`: Maybe do that with the Federalist Papers? For the lulz of selling fancy copies to gringos in the Estados Unidos from Canada.	[03:13]
nubbins`	kakobrekla, nice try ;p	[03:13]
nubbins`	BingoBoingo, federalist papers?	[03:13]
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nubbins`	ah, i see	[03:14]
dub	the book of assets	[03:14]
nubbins`	log isn't really in a suitable format for books	[03:14]
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dub	thousands of years after the great climate change cleansing a future civilisation will find it and build a religion	[03:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.12799999 BTC [+]	[03:15]
kakobrekla	ok we do it	[03:15]
benkay	also, herbijudlestoids think bout blogging as a long term thing you do - not one-off shots that might bring some fame	[03:15]
BingoBoingo	dub: Or alien Archeologists.	[03:15]
herbijudlestoids	benkay: i srsly dun want any fame :)	[03:15]
benkay	mp suggested blogging as a series of notes to self, as one can't actually remember all the bullshit waded through over a significant period of time.	[03:15]
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dub	I used to maintain a private wiki for that	[03:16]
nubbins`	kakobrekla: not to mention that most of log isn't worth saving in the first place ;p	[03:16]
herbijudlestoids	when i said "the response was underwhelming" what i meant was that for ~200 pageviews, there was only a couple of comments from parties and only some of those comments were interesting	[03:16]
kakobrekla	wekk a buttcoin can make you famous in a single post benkay	[03:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.24310363 = 0.7293 BTC	[03:17]
kakobrekla	i dunno what wekk is doing there	[03:17]
benkay	tru nuff	[03:17]
kakobrekla	im in bed.	[03:17]
mike_c	100:1 readers to commenters isn't bad	[03:17]
kakobrekla	nubbins` prolly still best coffe table book, ever.	[03:18]
nubbins`	so much chaff tho!	[03:18]
mike_c	you gotta include all the images though	[03:18]
nubbins`	nah see that won't work	[03:18]
nubbins`	could do line art	[03:18]
kakobrekla	as ascii	[03:18]
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nubbins`	hm, a hand-bound book of ascii pornography	[03:19]
nubbins`	getting warmer...	[03:19]
herbijudlestoids	HAHAH ken ham!	[03:19]
herbijudlestoids	he has a chart, which explains to that moron bill nye, how moses was 500 years old	[03:19]
KRS-	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1x1csq/an_analysis_on_huobicoms_popularity_vs_web/	[03:19]
herbijudlestoids	explains it all.	[03:19]
kakobrekla	ascii nekkid chicks with bash quoetes under	[03:19]
ozbot	An analysis on Huobi.com's popularity vs web traffic data. : Bitcoin	[03:19]
KRS-	oh hey ozbot	[03:19]
KRS-	.bait	[03:19]
ozbot	http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbz7glE2Ib1qbhsq8o1_500.jpg	[03:20]
nubbins`	kako that's actually not bad	[03:20]
KRS-	Now her butt is going to smell like that countertop.	[03:20]
kakobrekla	sign me up for one	[03:20]
kakobrekla	err	[03:20]
kakobrekla	10	[03:20]
nubbins`	fair warning, these will be expensive	[03:20]
kakobrekla	like arm and leg expensive?	[03:20]
nubbins`	well it depends on the number of pages	[03:21]
nubbins`	but on the scale of several hundred $ per copy	[03:21]
nubbins`	if it's any size	[03:21]
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nubbins`	price decreases drastically with quantity, of cour	[03:21]
nubbins`	se	[03:21]
herbijudlestoids	ken ham is killing me	[03:21]
kakobrekla	any size?	[03:22]
dub	do all the john copypastas	[03:22]
dub	that shit cracks me up	[03:22]
nubbins`	sorry, if it's a significant number of pages :)	[03:22]
nubbins`	colloquialism	[03:22]
kakobrekla	bash is short	[03:22]
nubbins`	i'm thinking one ascii porn image per page	[03:23]
nubbins`	with say a couple of quotes	[03:23]
nubbins`	below or above	[03:23]
kakobrekla	50 quotes or something	[03:23]
kakobrekla	25 pages	[03:23]
jurov	illuminated letters?	[03:23]
nubbins`	2 quotes per page	[03:23]
nubbins`	not bad	[03:23]
jurov	or how do they call them.. calligraphy	[03:23]
kakobrekla	well i was thinking more of - a paper has 2 sides	[03:23]
kakobrekla	or you doing one side only	[03:24]
BingoBoingo	nubbins`: I assume this is going to be some sweet acid free cotton paper... For Archaeologists?	[03:25]
nubbins`	nah, double sided	[03:25]
nubbins`	just like a regular book	[03:25]
nubbins`	ah, i see, i was picturing a couple of quotes per image	[03:25]
dub	fuck that	[03:25]
dub	find something funny	[03:25]
nubbins`	well natch	[03:25]
nubbins`	it's not just assbot	[03:25]
nubbins`	okay, so who can produce ascii pornography?	[03:26]
dub	I may have a collection	[03:26]
asciilifeform	emacs, 'artist mode.'	[03:26]
nubbins`	yeah, would need to be original	[03:26]
nubbins`	can't lift existing art	[03:26]
nubbins`	i suppose we could comb bash for the quotes	[03:27]
nubbins`	could even grab some choice gems from the forum	[03:28]
kakobrekla	thats not good for dubs chi	[03:28]
herbijudlestoids	nubbins`: if you google 'ascii art from images' there is plenty :)	[03:28]
herbijudlestoids	plenty of sites that convert images to ascii art, i mean, sorry	[03:28]
nubbins`	heh	[03:28]
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nubbins`	was about to say that's the same problem ;p	[03:28]
nubbins`	but yes, this is true	[03:29]
nubbins`	those generally produce enormous files tho	[03:29]
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nubbins`	we're talking something that can fit on say an 8x10" page at 10-12pt font	[03:29]
herbijudlestoids	i cannot handle this fuckstick any longer	[03:29]
kakobrekla	stop with the slander	[03:29]
kakobrekla	n stuff	[03:30]
nubbins`	yeah, leave ken ham alone	[03:30]
herbijudlestoids	try this one nubbins` http://www.glassgiant.com/ascii/	[03:30]
nubbins`	he's had a bad day	[03:30]
herbijudlestoids	ken ham is my countries gift to the world :'(	[03:30]
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nubbins`	can we re-gift him?	[03:30]
herbijudlestoids	no dude, no.	[03:31]
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herbijudlestoids	lunchtiemz, banh mih i think	[03:32]
benkay	no gdp bets on bitbet eh	[03:32]
herbijudlestoids	maybe the bitcoin economy should get its own GDP and we can bet on that	[03:33]
jurov	if you can think how it would be measured...	[03:34]
nubbins`	ham is hamming it up now	[03:34]
dub	not going to work	[03:34]
dub	you'd be counting the same coin as its restolen over and over from the tardcircle	[03:34]
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herbijudlestoids	Gross domestic product (GDP) is the market value of all officially recognized final goods and services produced within a country in a year	[03:45]
herbijudlestoids	make a list of whats officially recognised final g/s and calculate then sum their MVs :P	[03:45]
herbijudlestoids	could be opinionated and start with just, say, bitstamp, bitpay and MPEX	[03:46]
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jurov	mpex monthly profit would thengo into gdp?	[03:48]
jurov	you'd end with rather low estimate	[03:49]
antephialtic	or you could use the quantity theory of money to estimate it. Y = MV where Y is output, M is the size of the money supply, and V is the velocity of money. Both M and V are easily computed in the case of bitcoin	[03:50]
jurov	just ask MP, he designated himself as official recognizer of all things btc :D	[03:50]
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chipug	who is still around?	[04:05]
copumpkin	not me, certainly	[04:06]
chipug	was hoping for some opinions	[04:06]
chipug	aw shame was really hoping you were still there copumpkin	[04:06]
chipug	:P	[04:06]
copumpkin	sorry!	[04:06]
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dub	show switch	[04:10]
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*	dub shows it	[04:10]
ron-	what are you showing?	[04:10]
dub	pnix	[04:11]
ron-	no!	[04:11]
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mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/why-dogecoin-is-a-scam-why-the-people-pushing-it-are-assholes-why-business-insider-is-a-contemptible-piece-of-shit-why-anyone-who-ever-worked-for-it-will-be-dancing-in-the-street-for-nickels-and-wh/	[04:11]
ozbot	Why Dogecoin is a scam, why the people pushing it are assholes, why Business Insider is a contemptib	[04:11]
dub	use image prim	[04:12]
dub	oh ffs	[04:12]
mircea_popescu	Μούσα, τραγούδα το θυμό του ξακουστού Αχιλέα,τον έρμο! etc	[04:12]
ron-	oh, that must be romanian?	[04:12]
mircea_popescu	no, that must be greek.	[04:12]
dub	thats quite the uri	[04:12]
ron-	aha	[04:13]
ron-	it does look greek i should know my character sets :`(	[04:13]
mircea_popescu	and you mustn't have liked it much in school.	[04:13]
ron-	only yogurt and greek goddesses	[04:13]
ron-	:-)	[04:13]
mircea_popescu	:p	[04:13]
chipug	it looks really nice	[04:14]
BingoBoingo	The Illiad ron-	[04:14]
mircea_popescu	the first sentence.	[04:14]
chipug	in a subscription crypto service, what would you want as necessity?	[04:14]
mircea_popescu	what's the service ?	[04:15]
chipug	like motley	[04:15]
chipug	but crypto	[04:15]
dub	fuck is motly	[04:15]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC	[04:16]
chipug	motley fool?	[04:16]
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chipug	http://www.fool.co.uk/	[04:16]
BingoBoingo	Like Trilema?	[04:16]
chipug	not really more interactive	[04:17]
mircea_popescu	Now her butt is going to smell like that countertop. << i'd be more worried about the reverse tbh	[04:17]
mircea_popescu	antephialtic how do you calculate bitcoinv?	[04:18]
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mircea_popescu	trilema is not interactive ?!	[04:19]
BingoBoingo	Trilema get subscribers.	[04:20]
mircea_popescu	but anyway, if memory serves that thing started as a blog and became subscription based after building a base	[04:20]
mircea_popescu	so do the same thing, write a lot of smart insightful stuff, once you have a ton of readers add a subscription, wait for the cheapskates to butthurt away and that's that.	[04:21]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Don't forget the form for selling credits	[04:22]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: the doge folly makes me wonder, what the 'greater fleas' that must surely come, will look like.	[04:22]
asciilifeform	i can easily picture, for example, a 'revolutionary! amazing! genuinely Alt' coin, with subtly pre-broken crypto.	[04:23]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[04:23]
BingoBoingo	http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=27	[04:23]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets bash	[04:23]
asciilifeform	(it won't be ECC, it'll be some very spiffy looking lattice work or the like.)	[04:23]
antephialtic	mircea_popescu: bitcoin days destroyed is a decent estimate	[04:23]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform that's likely actually	[04:23]
mircea_popescu	antephialtic how do you reason to come to this conclusion ?	[04:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00093713 = 13.3072 BTC [+]	[04:24]
chipug	thanks guys, you know mircea_popescu i think im currently in the waiting for the butthurt folk to piss off lol	[04:24]
asciilifeform	more likely than borked crypto is 'underhanded c contest' shenanigans.	[04:24]
mircea_popescu	what's your blog ?	[04:24]
BingoBoingo	antephialtic: What if someone moves 100K coins from one storage address to another to lessen the chance the coins are on an address that gets vanitygen'd	[04:25]
asciilifeform	once we get an 'alt-artist' who is actually conversant in basic c	[04:25]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform this is somewhat like asking for a showgirl that's read the classics.	[04:25]
dub	I am disappoint that you're giving it air	[04:26]
asciilifeform	not a physical impossibility, by any means	[04:26]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.13499999 BTC [+]	[04:26]
dub	its just teh same old brain damage	[04:26]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform merely a mental impossibility :)	[04:26]
mircea_popescu	dub i bet you 90% of the ppl who read it because it's about doge never heard of dump and dillute.	[04:26]
chipug	not a blog, its a chat site. i took on coinchat and totally changed direction. its a bit dead now	[04:26]
mircea_popescu	how can a chat site compete with irc ?!	[04:26]
dub	that trilemna articicle is the single biggest peice of press todate	[04:27]
chipug	cus we have pictures!	[04:27]
asciilifeform	i dare to predict: there will come a slick charlatan who will 'improve! the crypto!'	[04:27]
chipug	and cats	[04:27]
asciilifeform	subtle mathematical boojum in the signing, or, more cleverly, a mining shortcut	[04:27]
mircea_popescu	dub "life is sweat and blood and making love to a woman you don't know and nobody prints your name in trilema until the day you die"	[04:27]
mircea_popescu	oslt.	[04:27]
asciilifeform	'you read it here first'	[04:27]
antephialtic	mircea_popescu: actually that is incorrect. A better measure the amount of bitcoin transferred over a given period/the length of the time period. Very noisy measure, but using a larger time period smooths it out	[04:27]
antephialtic	* better measure is	[04:27]
mircea_popescu	how do you know it smooths out ?	[04:27]
BingoBoingo	.bait	[04:27]
ozbot	http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0ds2hCmeQ1r75b29o1_500.jpg	[04:28]
BingoBoingo	Picture!	[04:28]
chipug	i see what you did there	[04:28]
chipug	man i want her shoes	[04:28]
mircea_popescu	someone was talking about my editor ? she's just said to me : "The price of Dogecoin, the world’s third most traded cyrptocurrency / did they seriously publish "cyrptocurrency"?"	[04:29]
mircea_popescu	i think this is memeworthy. the business insider cyrpt occurency.	[04:29]
asciilifeform	this is almost on part with the chinese 'ipnohe'.	[04:29]
asciilifeform	*on par	[04:29]
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chipug	lolol	[04:29]
antephialtic	mircea_popescu: see this chart (https://blockchain.info/charts/estimated-transaction-volume?showDataPoints=false&timespan=&show_header=true&daysAverageString=7), and try increasing the daysAverageString in the url	[04:29]
BingoBoingo	Maybe Dogecoin gets a Haircut like Cyprto depositors did	[04:29]
mircea_popescu	antephialtic aha. and ?	[04:29]
mircea_popescu	someone should make a papp to bring cyrpt to the ipnohe.	[04:30]
asciilifeform	cyprtocurrency.	[04:31]
mircea_popescu	maybe it's time for the finchcoin. cirp-cirp-urrency	[04:32]
ron-	does the bitcoin source on bitcoin.org allow you to generate your own custom coins?	[04:32]
ron-	or just client only?	[04:32]
mircea_popescu	with a little awk-ing it should.	[04:33]
asciilifeform	seriously, where are the true masters of the satanic arts. any day now there ought to appear, out of nowhere, an 'alt' genuinely better in every way. written in 50kB of nice, clean whatever. with shiny and apparently flawless, Shor-resistant crypto	[04:33]
ron-	oh	[04:33]
asciilifeform	with subtle bug...	[04:33]
BingoBoingo	So many things for benkay to derive revenue from if only altgen.io	[04:33]
ron-	i compiled it	[04:33]
antephialtic	mircea_popescu: have you looked at counterparty at all?	[04:33]
ron-	problem loading altgen	[04:33]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the one advantage of all the idiots being on the field is that the smart people kinda tend to just stick into the same team.	[04:33]
mircea_popescu	antephialtic if you expect to justify a theoretical model by the effect it has on data you are living in a state of sin.	[04:34]
ron-	it took me a while to compile the client, i dislike lib boost :\|	[04:34]
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ron-	well i suppose it is a server too	[04:34]
mircea_popescu	there's an entire rpc boondoogle.	[04:35]
antephialtic	antephialtic: well, in that case I'm living in a state of sin anyway because velocity is traditionally computed from output and money supply. The idea that one can measure it empirically is not really seen in mainstream economics, as far as I can tell from a brief review of the literature	[04:35]
ron-	it was worth doing	[04:35]
ron-	1.5 hrs maybe	[04:35]
ron-	make -j 1200	[04:36]
asciilifeform	i'm entirely unconvinced that the smart people are automatically on one team.	[04:36]
ron-	jk	[04:36]
mircea_popescu	antephialtic the problem, as BingoBoingo pointed out to you, is that in your model the greatest economic activity will occur whenever a major holder moves cold wallets.	[04:36]
asciilifeform	just that 'the beautiful ones are not yet born.'	[04:36]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you know what happens to quarreling dogs once they see a wolf ?	[04:36]
KRS-	.bait	[04:36]
ozbot	http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4oaddFTtw1qk6jw7o1_500.jpg	[04:36]
asciilifeform	they run?	[04:36]
KRS-	Cool thanks ozbot..ttyl	[04:36]
KRS-	...fapfapfap	[04:36]
mircea_popescu	they quit bickering.	[04:36]
mircea_popescu	if they run or if they fight, they're doing it together.	[04:37]
nubbins`	http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/2-oscar-winners-join-tv-adaptation-of-the-book-of-negroes-1.2523057	[04:37]
ozbot	2 Oscar winners join TV adaptation of The Book of Negroes - Toronto - CBC News	[04:37]
antephialtic	yes, I'm still thinking about a better way to measure velocity. If a good one is found it would be possible to create an altcoin with an algorithmic central bank that adjusts the block reward dynamically to target a certain output growth.	[04:37]
nubbins`	kakobrekla ^	[04:37]
mircea_popescu	antephialtic which is kind-of why i believe it fundamentally can not be measured.	[04:38]
mircea_popescu	you gotta give something to get something, always.	[04:38]
mircea_popescu	think about for a minute : i could hijack your bank's printing press just by moving my coins around ? sweet moses on a stick, this is like USD 2.0	[04:39]
antephialtic	yes, I agree that the concept has major game theoretic issues. But a coin that solved this issue would be useful primarily as a medium of exchange, rather than as a store of value.	[04:40]
*	chipug proposes BeiberCoin for rent boy currency	[04:40]
*	dub waits for watcoin	[04:40]
mircea_popescu	why do you think the fiat role as a medium of exchange needs fixing ?	[04:41]
mircea_popescu	i like going aboutg with a wad of cash. works fine.	[04:41]
antephialtic	well, I have doubts about the long-term viability	[04:42]
antephialtic	of the US dollar.	[04:42]
mircea_popescu	right, sure. but some other scrip	[04:42]
mircea_popescu	what diff does it make.	[04:42]
nubbins`	IOUs!	[04:42]
mircea_popescu	you can make vanity money with your face on them	[04:42]
nubbins`	promissory notes	[04:43]
mircea_popescu	as long as you redeem them for btc... they're as good as anything	[04:43]
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mircea_popescu	in short, the medium of exchange function of the currency is a minor.	[04:43]
mircea_popescu	Nadia_Comaneci du-te tu ?	[04:44]
Nadia_Comaneci	hi	[04:44]
chipug	i guess i should get a cryptsy account to get rid of these flipping dogecoins huh	[04:45]
mircea_popescu	just tip them to people.	[04:46]
herbijudlestoids	lol mircea_popescu you are literally the FOFOA of bitcoin, where s/physical gold/bitcoin/	[04:48]
mircea_popescu	what's a fofoa ?	[04:48]
asciilifeform	but who is the F00F of bitcoin.	[04:48]
herbijudlestoids	the freegold guy	[04:48]
mircea_popescu	oh.	[04:48]
herbijudlestoids	fofoa.blogspot.com (don't hate me for blogspot)	[04:48]
mircea_popescu	now we see where you get your bad examples	[04:48]
herbijudlestoids	:P	[04:48]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu, you mention in a couple of articles that bitcoin is deflationary rather than inflationary, and then point to the increasing supply as evidence of this	[04:48]
asciilifeform	http://www.rcollins.org/ddj/May98/F00FBug.html	[04:49]
ozbot	The Pentium F00F Bug	[04:49]
mircea_popescu	believe it or not, my sum total interest for metals (precious and industrial) pre 2010 was pretty much nil.	[04:49]
mircea_popescu	i've looked into it since mostly to try and understand wtf is with these people	[04:49]
mircea_popescu	but i'm still kinda clueless.	[04:49]
herbijudlestoids	well, i would say freegold completely discounts and (if you believe in it) discredits all the goldbug hypothesis bullshit thats out there	[04:49]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` did you dyslexia there ?	[04:49]
nubbins`	er, sorry, yes	[04:49]
nubbins`	the opposite	[04:50]
mircea_popescu	aha k.	[04:50]
nubbins`	:(	[04:50]
nubbins`	i don't get it	[04:50]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: try this one on for size, his articles are quite long but IMHO absolutely worth it (there is a part 2 if you find it interesting enough) http://fofoa.blogspot.com.au/2011/11/moneyness.html	[04:50]
mircea_popescu	kay.	[04:50]
nubbins`	inflation refers to good increasing in price	[04:50]
nubbins`	not necessarily because of an expansion of the money supply	[04:50]
nubbins`	although that's usually the cause	[04:50]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: or, more subtly, failing to decrease in price.	[04:51]
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nubbins`	sure, yes.	[04:51]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` inflation has nothing to do with price.	[04:51]
asciilifeform	(when applicable - 'moore's law' and sequelae, etc)	[04:51]
nubbins`	but x bitcoins buys more goods over time	[04:51]
mircea_popescu	inflation is a discussion of monetary base.	[04:51]
mircea_popescu	if tomorrow i invent a new way to make cakes, and cake prices drop 95%	[04:52]
mircea_popescu	this does not mean there's been inflation in the currency	[04:52]
mircea_popescu	(perhaps in the cakes, i guess)	[04:52]
herbijudlestoids	^	[04:52]
nubbins`	sure, but inflation refers to the general increase	[04:52]
chipug	asshole scams me for 1.6btc > denies it > emails for the new website url = areyoufuckingshittingme? feel like emailing back saying sure thing fuckwit, url costs 1.6BTC	[04:52]
nubbins`	not any one specific item	[04:52]
mircea_popescu	of the monetary base.	[04:52]
asciilifeform	but if the crown decides to crank up the printing press until cakes cost the same...	[04:52]
nubbins`	you can't say that there's deflation because pumpkins are cheap on november 1.	[04:52]
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mircea_popescu	prices aren't a reference point for inflation tho, this is like saying she's a good lay cause she's a redhead.	[04:53]
herbijudlestoids	nubbins`: the modern definition of inflation is bullshit, its hedonistically adjusted and the general price includes all sorts of nonsense, which is completely disparately defined across countries	[04:53]
mircea_popescu	people say it all the time, but what of it.	[04:53]
nubbins`	sure	[04:53]
nubbins`	i can't speak to past definitions, but everything i'm reading says that the thing which is inflating is the price of goods	[04:54]
herbijudlestoids	soooo...defining inflation as a general price level increase is extremely fuzzy	[04:54]
mircea_popescu	well you're reading business insider then	[04:54]
nubbins`	heh	[04:54]
nubbins`	hey now	[04:54]
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nubbins`	okay, so if inflationary/deflationary is out	[04:55]
nubbins`	how do you verbally differentiate between a currency where purchasing power increases over time, and one where it decreases?	[04:56]
nubbins`	(no saucy answers plz)	[04:56]
mircea_popescu	purchasing power in what sense ?	[04:56]
mircea_popescu	as opposed to another ?	[04:56]
nubbins`	say, herpcoins where it's cheaper to buy an apple tomorrow than today	[04:57]
nubbins`	or derpdollars where it's cheaper to buy the apple today	[04:57]
herbijudlestoids	also purchasing power is a better proxy than inflation, because you can have inflation where the purchasing power of a dollar goes up, but also inflatoin where the purchasing power of a dollar goes down	[04:57]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` what's wrong with just saying "herpcoins has increased ppp and derpd's has decreased ppp ?"	[04:58]
nubbins`	i don't know how much apple i get, that's what's wrong	[04:58]
herbijudlestoids	^	[04:58]
mircea_popescu	wait what ?!	[04:58]
nubbins`	haha	[04:58]
mircea_popescu	these are macro discussions	[04:58]
mircea_popescu	why do you expect they do anything to any one apple ?	[04:58]
nubbins`	how many apples are in the bag i'm buying, whatever	[04:59]
herbijudlestoids	then what he is saying is correct nubbins`	[04:59]
herbijudlestoids	because you are only asking about PP, not inflation!	[04:59]
nubbins`	sure	[04:59]
mircea_popescu	for that matter, how do you know it's the currency ?	[05:00]
herbijudlestoids	^	[05:00]
mircea_popescu	maybe derpland has a bumper apple crop and herpfields a shortage.	[05:00]
mircea_popescu	maybe the one yearly boat taking apples from d to h sunk that year	[05:00]
mircea_popescu	i mean wtf, how did you end up pinning the world on the currency ?	[05:00]
nubbins`	well until five minutes ago i laboured under the impression that a 'deflationary currency' was one where the purchasing power increased over time (i.e. the cost of goods decreases)	[05:00]
herbijudlestoids	i wonder if i invited FOFOA to chat here he would come	[05:00]
mircea_popescu	ok, but this is a very naive approach	[05:00]
nubbins`	but i think i've just never thought this through	[05:01]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids so invite him	[05:01]
nubbins`	who's to say purchasing power is constant over time, etc	[05:01]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` do you think on average bigger cars are faster ?	[05:01]
nubbins`	hm	[05:01]
herbijudlestoids	nubbins`: it is not constant. varies in a nonstationary path	[05:01]
mircea_popescu	i mean to some very general degree this'd perhaps be true...	[05:01]
mircea_popescu	at least within some margins...	[05:01]
mircea_popescu	but srsly. they're not that related.	[05:01]
nubbins`	okay, no, i definitely had my cart before my horse here	[05:01]
herbijudlestoids	nubbins`: http://www.oecd.org/std/prices-ppp/purchasingpowerparitiespppsdata.htm :)	[05:02]
nubbins`	tbh i never thought about it much until recently	[05:02]
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mircea_popescu	well so good for you	[05:02]
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nubbins`	not really ;(	[05:03]
mircea_popescu	why not ?	[05:03]
nubbins`	well who knows what i'd have ended up thinking about if i'd gotten it right the first time	[05:03]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[05:03]
mircea_popescu	this is inflationary thinking.	[05:04]
nubbins`	the lost opportunities!	[05:04]
jborkl	Mircea, you know I love your writing. I am not very verbose but in a non competitive way bcoinews.com . I printed that first :)	[05:04]
nubbins`	wait, you're saying bigger brains aren't smarter?	[05:04]
nubbins`	;D	[05:04]
mircea_popescu	jborkl which one you mean ?	[05:04]
jborkl	The dogecoin one	[05:04]
mircea_popescu	ah	[05:04]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.1425 BTC [+]	[05:04]
mircea_popescu	hey, did i get you on the blogs list ?	[05:04]
jborkl	No?	[05:05]
mircea_popescu	i didn't. let's fix.	[05:05]
jborkl	Ok sounds good	[05:05]
dub	you big tim now	[05:06]
dub	time*	[05:06]
mircea_popescu	You tried to visit bcoinews.com, which is not loading.	[05:06]
dub	on the mp blogroll	[05:06]
mircea_popescu	hm, is it down ?	[05:06]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.145 = 0.29 BTC [+]	[05:06]
jborkl	Bcoinnews.com my bad typo	[05:07]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/people-have-made-blogs/#comment-97937	[05:09]
ozbot	People have made blogs pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[05:09]
mircea_popescu	there you go ;)	[05:09]
jborkl	I feel honored to be mentioned on there, really. Thanks Mp	[05:11]
mircea_popescu	hehe. took a break there for a few, did you ?	[05:13]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids you know like i was saying to diametric the other day, this article gets a lot of wordcount mileage out of the banal	[05:14]
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mircea_popescu	nttawwt.	[05:14]
jborkl	Yes, regular fiat business is booming and all the hardware I have has been taking up time basically tuning each chip	[05:14]
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chipug	i pick the articles for their titles, not gonna lie :)	[05:15]
mircea_popescu	lol	[05:15]
mircea_popescu	found any good ones ?	[05:15]
chipug	so many!	[05:15]
jborkl	I have a November jupiter up to 1th	[05:15]
mircea_popescu	jborkl mining huh. that great timewaster.	[05:15]
chipug	why do gentlemen prefer blondes? (I'm brunette - had to read lol - very good )	[05:15]
jborkl	Yeah it sucks	[05:15]
mircea_popescu	wait, you're a chick ?	[05:15]
chipug	yep	[05:16]
chipug	thats why all the bait pics ive been mentioning the shoes....	[05:16]
jborkl	Lol	[05:16]
mircea_popescu	well good for you	[05:16]
mircea_popescu	i didn't even know girls were allowed here.	[05:16]
chipug	probably not, i'm good at getting into bother	[05:16]
chipug	sorry if im in the way	[05:17]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: some more than others, depends on who the target audience is	[05:17]
mircea_popescu	haha i wouldn't say that,	[05:17]
jborkl	Don't go into OTC and announce you are a chick.	[05:17]
asciilifeform	i did think that mpoe-pr lurks hidden somewhere here.	[05:17]
chipug	forumites like to wind me up about it	[05:17]
chipug	she has a good job	[05:18]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform chetty is actually a girl too, the eulora chief of tech	[05:18]
asciilifeform	m-pr is a titan:	[05:19]
asciilifeform	http://thewhet.net/2012/shall-be-delivered/	[05:19]
ozbot	Shall be Delivered \| The Whet	[05:19]
ThickAsThieves	she said forumites, she's okay in my book	[05:19]
jborkl	Chipug, you Romanian also or VPN into a To freenode server	[05:19]
ThickAsThieves	i cant believe that text from Business Insider..	[05:19]
dub	think about vexual then realise the writer shares the same broken piece of genome	[05:20]
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mircea_popescu	except vexual actually comes up with pretty good shit now and again	[05:21]
chipug	neither jborkl I am a scot	[05:21]
chipug	lol thanks ThickAsThieves	[05:21]
herbijudlestoids	i just looked it up ThickAsThieves	[05:21]
herbijudlestoids	the quote from ripple founder is retarded	[05:21]
herbijudlestoids	bitcoin does not have a fixed supply, i am sure if the price goes up to $1,000,000,000,000 some supply will come out of the woodwork	[05:22]
mircea_popescu	there's a Department of Retarded Quotes somewhere, fucking shit up.	[05:22]
jborkl	Ha, ripple is now some type of retarded charity now	[05:22]
ThickAsThieves	when did bitcoin stop responding to demand?	[05:22]
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ThickAsThieves	i dont get it	[05:22]
mircea_popescu	i swear the proportion of good to retarded quotes i read can not be explained away statistically.	[05:22]
chipug	what was that random site that has irc quotes?	[05:22]
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herbijudlestoids	are you adjusting for the avg IQ mircea_popescu?	[05:22]
herbijudlestoids	chipug: bash.org?	[05:22]
chipug	thats the one! thanks!	[05:23]
mircea_popescu	bash.bitcoin-assets.com ye heretic	[05:23]
asciilifeform	if by 'out of the woodwork' one means 'ECDSA crypto-break using Advanced Magic'...	[05:23]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids HOW do you adjust for average iq	[05:23]
mircea_popescu	there's no iq.	[05:23]
herbijudlestoids	asciilifeform: i just meant, higher prices can entice supply	[05:23]
jborkl	Well you have to divide IQ by # of sock puppet accts	[05:23]
jborkl	So it is almost 0	[05:23]
herbijudlestoids	therefore the supply is not fixed, its just constrained by price	[05:24]
herbijudlestoids	(like gold :P)	[05:24]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids they really go over the deep end with this "fixed" bs.	[05:24]
mircea_popescu	as if the total heat differential i nthe universe weren't ALSO fixed.	[05:24]
ThickAsThieves	the US basically perverted advertising to the degree people are at least part salesman, or part sucker. it's a sad play but so many parts to fill.	[05:24]
mircea_popescu	it's just... kids that grew up without any limits having psychological issues.	[05:24]
chipug	who does the log keeping for here? not every channel has a log do they?	[05:24]
mircea_popescu	see the topic eh ?	[05:25]
ThickAsThieves	the republik of kakobrekla	[05:25]
herbijudlestoids	chipug: i get paid 0.0000001 doge every day to maintain them	[05:25]
herbijudlestoids	its an arduous job but someone has to do	[05:25]
chipug	sounds like a killer deal man	[05:25]
herbijudlestoids	its my whole reason for living	[05:25]
mircea_popescu	doge can has fractions ?!	[05:26]
chipug	but just think of your life rolling round your doge riches..... in 2080	[05:26]
jborkl	No, they no do maths good. Amazing	[05:26]
chipug	think they are pups mircea_popescu	[05:26]
herbijudlestoids	hahahahahaha pooorr github user "MadCold"...he wants recourse against an open source software developer for modifying his code	[05:26]
herbijudlestoids	this is as good as the bill nye vs ham thing	[05:27]
mircea_popescu	chipug they even allow brunettes in scotland ?	[05:27]
chipug	0	[05:27]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids waitwhat ?!	[05:27]
mircea_popescu	plz to tip him a doge.	[05:28]
herbijudlestoids	" I still demand [Palmer] answer for what he's doing to ruin the DogeCoin currency." "	[05:28]
herbijudlestoids	he must answer!	[05:28]
ThickAsThieves	what will the answer do?	[05:28]
ThickAsThieves	cure the hope?	[05:28]
mircea_popescu	lol	[05:29]
mircea_popescu	palmer knows what he's doing.	[05:29]
mircea_popescu	"for the good of the country everyone's gold must be confiscated"	[05:29]
mircea_popescu	"it's either that or we're bankrupt"	[05:29]
jborkl	Print more, that fixes all problems. Signed by the treasury	[05:30]
mircea_popescu	all the problems of bitcoin, resolved!	[05:30]
ThickAsThieves	maybe we should make a coin that isnt a coin, just percentages	[05:30]
ThickAsThieves	that way you know whats important	[05:31]
ThickAsThieves	your % of worth in the world	[05:31]
mircea_popescu	that's... bitcoin.	[05:31]
ThickAsThieves	yeah but it has decimals	[05:31]
mircea_popescu	owning a bitcoin simply means 1/12mn or w/e	[05:31]
jborkl	Yep, just like that- that is divisible is not important	[05:31]
ThickAsThieves	so complicated	[05:31]
chipug	lol sorry lay on keyboard hence the 0; mircea_popescu i got smuggled in, was born in holland :P	[05:31]
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mircea_popescu	i wonder what the best github drama to date was	[05:32]
mircea_popescu	they really should run drama contests, like a pageant.	[05:32]
mircea_popescu	hire jerry springer.	[05:32]
chipug	lololol	[05:32]
chipug	yes	[05:32]
ThickAsThieves	i'm telling you man	[05:32]
mircea_popescu	"and then he said, I MUST EXPLAIN!!1" and I closed the pull request.	[05:32]
ThickAsThieves	this is nouveau performance art	[05:32]
chipug	what am i missing?	[05:33]
mircea_popescu	chipug what do you do for a living ?	[05:33]
chipug	exist atm mircea_popescu	[05:33]
ThickAsThieves	i guess i should learn all 3 words in french	[05:33]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves nouveau arte forestiere.	[05:34]
chipug	i used to be a hospital admin in a psychitric hospital for almost 8 years but they fuckedme over	[05:34]
ThickAsThieves	thank you sir	[05:34]
mircea_popescu	ok, so then you missed what github is.	[05:34]
dub	inb4 'would you be interested in taking insertion photos'	[05:34]
mircea_popescu	unlikely cause BingoBoingo seems asleep	[05:34]
chipug	LOL	[05:34]
chipug	man please	[05:34]
chipug	that picture	[05:35]
chipug	that was my first day on irc! my eyes	[05:35]
chipug	he is so proud of it too lol	[05:35]
Duffer1	http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/175950-revolutionary-new-cryptography-tool-could-make-software-unhackable	[05:38]
ozbot	Revolutionary new cryptography tool could make software unhackable \| ExtremeTech	[05:38]
ThickAsThieves	S.NSA crash incoming!	[05:38]
Duffer1	s.nsa most valuable company ever	[05:39]
ThickAsThieves	nice to meet another reasonable man	[05:39]
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chipug	unhackable for how long... til someone works it out?	[05:40]
ThickAsThieves	all things are what they are til they arent	[05:40]
Duffer1	till the nsa intercepts all packages of box manufacturers and replaces them with compromised versions before sending them on	[05:41]
mircea_popescu	ha, fu, same principle.	[05:41]
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ThickAsThieves	I get all my anti-spy gear from the NSA	[05:41]
chipug	that's what i find so funny about people talking about bitcoin safety and hacking... it's all a continual cycle nowadays and that won't change. like leapfrog	[05:42]
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chipug	lol ThickAsThieves XD	[05:42]
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asciilifeform	homomorphic crypto seems to have the ancient appeal of other proven impossibilities, like perpetuum mobile.	[05:44]
mircea_popescu	i bet you we will have a major breakthrough in homomorphisms before we have one in quantum computing.	[05:45]
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asciilifeform	the original turd: http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2014/02/cryptography-breakthrough/all/	[05:45]
asciilifeform	see 1st comment, by author	[05:45]
asciilifeform	(horrified author)	[05:45]
mircea_popescu	disqus is nullrouted onthis system	[05:46]
asciilifeform	Amit Sahai • a day ago	[05:46]
asciilifeform	I am a co-author of the research quoted in the article. I realize it is likely pointless to write this comment in an Internet forum, but let me attempt to clarify the situation, in the hope that some thoughtful participants will find it useful. Please note: I will not be monitoring this forum in the future. If you are a researcher, please feel free to contact me.	[05:46]
asciilifeform	1) The title is misleading: secure obfuscation does not necessarily create "unhackable" software, whatever that means.	[05:46]
asciilifeform	2) Secure obfuscation is a mathematical term of art. It is unfortunate that the word "obfuscation" has an ordinary meaning that is very different than what we mean. An analogy might be the word "countable" which for mathematicians usually refers to infinite sets, while lay readers would likely not think this way.	[05:46]
asciilifeform	3) The right way to think of what secure obfuscation allows is to create, under many technical conditions, software that has secrets built into it. These secrets are used by the software to compute output, and yet the secrets remain hidden even if an attacker obtains the entire machine-level code of the software, which of course the attacker could run and analyze. Thus the attacker would be able to use the	[05:46]
asciilifeform	secrets only in the way that the software allows, but not recover these secrets in any way beyond that.	[05:46]
nubbins`	but how do you have disqussions?	[05:46]
asciilifeform	4) In no direct way does secure obfuscation have anything to with DRM, software copy protection, etc.	[05:46]
asciilifeform	5) Obfuscation is really a terrible name, but unfortunately it is the mathematical term that has become widely used in the academic (non-hacker) community.	[05:46]
asciilifeform	6) All of this is based on mathematical computational assumptions, which may be proven false by future algorithmic advances.	[05:46]
asciilifeform	- end quote	[05:46]
asciilifeform	naturally, we have the boojum: '...the attacker would be able to use the secrets only in the way that the software allows...'	[05:47]
mircea_popescu	turns out it wasn't pointless!	[05:47]
asciilifeform	so let's say you have a homomorphic turd that signs arbitrary giblets with your key (which, for the sake of argument, assume cannot be extracted, as claimed)	[05:48]
mircea_popescu	ok	[05:48]
asciilifeform	and on top of that, is only willing to sign giblets beginning with 1.	[05:49]
asciilifeform	so fine. i extract the turd and feed it whatever i like	[05:49]
herbijudlestoids	giblets? :D	[05:49]
mircea_popescu	it's a term of art.	[05:49]
herbijudlestoids	no, i meant, would he like to feed his turd giblets :P	[05:50]
asciilifeform	there is already a hard impossibility proof of turing-complete computation in a homomorphic turd.	[05:50]
mircea_popescu	that there is.	[05:50]
mircea_popescu	however!	[05:50]
mircea_popescu	you wouldn't be necessarily running a compiler there	[05:50]
asciilifeform	so you're stuck with some special-case exotica, that idiots will inevitably embed in conventional code.	[05:50]
mircea_popescu	and the case of futzing non-recursively with data is not covered.	[05:50]
asciilifeform	the whole field appears to be funded by the desperate 'media' conglomerates, who dream in their opium haze of unbreakable copy protection.	[05:51]
mircea_popescu	that'll never work.	[05:51]
asciilifeform	i live right outside of a big uni, whose comp sci dept. pisses out a never-ending supply of this crud.	[05:52]
mircea_popescu	what may work tho is indeed code that does the function of cardano in software.	[05:52]
asciilifeform	then the code is the key.	[05:52]
mircea_popescu	well yes.	[05:52]
asciilifeform	lift it, accomplish the same purpose.	[05:52]
mircea_popescu	same is true of the hw cardano.	[05:52]
asciilifeform	correct.	[05:52]
mircea_popescu	so inasfar as that, it may be the case homomorphic software can be in fact written that protects the key say	[05:53]
asciilifeform	anyone who wants 'software cardano' can grab 'gpg' today.	[05:53]
mircea_popescu	but w/o a pw.	[05:53]
mircea_popescu	make it be automated.	[05:53]
mircea_popescu	i'm not saying this is practically useful.	[05:54]
mircea_popescu	but it is mathematically interesting	[05:54]
mircea_popescu	or properly said, computer-scientifically. which is math anyway but w/e	[05:54]
asciilifeform	the building blocks of homomorphic crypto (say, the 'millionaires protocol') are certainly interesting, not only in the mathematical but practical sense.	[05:54]
mircea_popescu	well ya	[05:54]
asciilifeform	but for the subject of the article, one is left to wonder what problem is actually being solved	[05:55]
mircea_popescu	the article is in wired.	[05:55]
mircea_popescu	forgeddaboutit.	[05:55]
mircea_popescu	the problem itself tho, "make me gpg which keeps my key safge and uses no pw", is not trivial.	[05:55]
mircea_popescu	anyone solving this'd feel that particular elation.	[05:55]
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asciilifeform	if it 'keeps key safe' via the whole proggy becoming the key, you haven't accomplished much	[05:56]
mircea_popescu	if the whole proggy is the key then it;s not safe ipso definitio	[05:56]
asciilifeform	i venture to say that the actual goal of general-purpose (or whatever approximation is possible) homomorphic crypto is quite different.	[05:56]
asciilifeform	but nobody seems willing to say it publicly	[05:56]
asciilifeform	so i'll mention it here.	[05:56]
asciilifeform	certain people would /love/ a mathematically-impenetrable boobytrap.	[05:57]
asciilifeform	that is, code with genuinely-hidden functionality	[05:57]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids if you care, http://fofoa.blogspot.ro/2010/07/debtors-and-savers.html is formally incorrect on the listing of romania	[05:57]
mircea_popescu	ask the guy what his research is for that list he made sometime.	[05:58]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform both people could use this.	[05:58]
asciilifeform	so, worked example:	[05:58]
asciilifeform	a 'soft pgp' that appears to work fine, but when you encrypt a message to a certain pubkey, the message becomes 'eat shit and die'	[05:59]
asciilifeform	and this fact not being deducible from the code.	[05:59]
mircea_popescu	or a soft obamacare, which appears to work fine, but when your name is obama an email is sent to a certain address with your vaginal probe pics.	[05:59]
mircea_popescu	technology helps neither side.	[06:00]
asciilifeform	correct. ideally one should like to be on the 'correct end of the barrel' for this one.	[06:00]
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herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: asked :)	[06:00]
mircea_popescu	there's no way to pick really. you're on both ends always	[06:00]
asciilifeform	it is thus useful to know how to tell which end of the barrel you are being placed on.	[06:01]
mircea_popescu	and since we're speaking of,	[06:01]
mircea_popescu	http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-01-08/romania-cuts-benchmark-rate-to-record-low-as-inflation-slows.html	[06:01]
asciilifeform	hence, if someone asks you to run homomorphically cloaked code...	[06:01]
ozbot	Romania Cuts Benchmark Rate to Record Low as Inflation Slows - Bloomberg	[06:01]
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mircea_popescu	but anyway, what i was looking for is http://www.aboutinflation.com/_/rsrc/1369734125206/inflation-rate-historical/romania-inflation-rate-historical-chart/Romania_Inflation_Rate_Historical_1971_2012.png	[06:03]
mircea_popescu	now you look at that chart and tell me that debtors beat savers in 2000-2005 ?	[06:03]
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asciilifeform	in principle, 'all blades have two edges,' etc. but in practice, the one and only objective of the folks funding homomorphic is a kind of satanic opposite of my purpose outlined in 'don't blame the mice'	[06:11]
asciilifeform	they would like to create (and then mandate) computing machinery that cannot be audited for security even in principle.	[06:11]
Dimsler__	lol	[06:11]
Dimsler__	inflation rates are lies anyway	[06:11]
asciilifeform	the inevitable boojum of conventional computing is that a boobytrap, no matter how clever, could eventually be stumbled upon by some clever soviet kid with a copy of 'ida'	[06:12]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2012/anonimity-or-the-urban-versus-rural-dispute/	[06:12]
mircea_popescu	it never works. it can't work.	[06:12]
herbijudlestoids	hhaha wau	[06:12]
asciilifeform	it's a perpetuum mobile, but that never stopped the desperate idiots with infinitely deep pockets, has it.	[06:12]
mircea_popescu	Dimsler__ no actually these are good.	[06:13]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform true.	[06:13]
herbijudlestoids	so the inflation rate went from >40% to <10%	[06:13]
herbijudlestoids	err <20%	[06:13]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids yes. and the early spikes aren't exactly easy money either.	[06:13]
mircea_popescu	romania had no consumer sector at the time	[06:13]
mircea_popescu	so it's not like there's something debatable really, it's entirely and flatly wrong, like a chinese man on a list of hepatic patiens.	[06:14]
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asciilifeform	btw the whole homomorphic business reminds me of an old sf story, where some malefactor stumbles upon a pair of large integers whose multiplication doesn't commute.	[06:15]
herbijudlestoids	i cant comment cos i dunno shit on the topic but i did fwd your statement and query on	[06:15]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform haha that's a great premise	[06:17]
asciilifeform	greg egan, 'luminous', if i recall.	[06:17]
Dimsler__	http://ponzi.io/	[06:17]
mircea_popescu	wait, they're primes right ?	[06:17]
mircea_popescu	i think you can probably write a brown note novel on this, you can literally drive math people to insanity.	[06:18]
mircea_popescu	"two large primes whose product doesn't commute	[06:19]
mircea_popescu	yet the product of their squares does	[06:19]
mircea_popescu	but not of the 3rd powers	[06:19]
asciilifeform	damn if i recall. but there was a mathematical galactic battle in there	[06:19]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: got a response, somewhere privatish i can send it to?	[06:19]
mircea_popescu	just keep going on with the description of the complexity until the reader falls over	[06:19]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids sure	[06:19]
michiel_l_	midnightmagic mikaeldice mike_c MiningBuddy- mircea_popescu mius mixdio	[06:19]
michiel_l_	midnightmagic mikaeldice mike_c MiningBuddy- mircea_popescu mius mixdio	[06:19]
michiel_l_	midnightmagic mikaeldice mike_c MiningBuddy- mircea_popescu mius mixdio	[06:19]
mircea_popescu	/query mircea_popescu	[06:19]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform then, the product of the square of the first with an odd power of the second does	[06:20]
mircea_popescu	but viceversa... no.	[06:20]
mircea_popescu	and so on and so forth	[06:20]
asciilifeform	the premise was a little brain-fucking, yes - turned out that mathematics was a physical object, that one could fuck with	[06:20]
asciilifeform	by carrying out certain computations.	[06:20]
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asciilifeform	obligatory warez copy:	[06:21]
asciilifeform	http://www.scribd.com/doc/86728044/Greg-Egan-Luminous	[06:21]
ozbot	Greg Egan - Luminous	[06:21]
mircea_popescu	scribd does warez ?!	[06:21]
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asciilifeform	it does whatever the russian kids throw in, until the censors nuke it.	[06:22]
asciilifeform	as always.	[06:22]
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mircea_popescu	this is so different from aaron schwarz	[06:23]
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nubbins`	math fiction	[06:24]
nubbins`	great stuff	[06:24]
asciilifeform	damn, censored.	[06:24]
asciilifeform	http://bookre.org/reader?file=223021	[06:25]
asciilifeform	seems to be the real thing.	[06:25]
ozbot	BookReader - Greg Egan - Luminous (2) (Egan Greg)	[06:26]
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nubbins`	read this story once where the law of averages stopped working	[06:27]
nubbins`	e.g. everyone in manhattan decides to drive across the same bridge on the same evening, etc	[06:28]
nubbins`	was chaos	[06:28]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` you mean social media.	[06:28]
nubbins`	heh	[06:28]
asciilifeform	better still, robert sheckley's 'the petrified world.'	[06:28]
nubbins`	technically wasn't really math fiction tho	[06:28]
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nubbins`	most of the story was about attempts to legislate order back into society	[06:29]
nubbins`	only those whose surnames begin with A through F may visit the zoo on sundays, etc	[06:29]
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herbijudlestoids	http://media.tumblr.com/0981b8439ddf0975130aa194cb13ef4c/tumblr_inline_mufk4aIl4e1raprkq.gif	[06:46]
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herbijudlestoids	when i say dont touch the thing or youll break it, and then they touch the thing...	[06:47]
herbijudlestoids	now we gotta split the hypervisors into 2 clusters	[06:47]
herbijudlestoids	:@	[06:47]
herbijudlestoids	err oops sorry wrong window	[06:48]
herbijudlestoids	this site is my life: http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com	[06:48]
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mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/9VClTYt.gif this actually looks a lot like mpoe-pr baiting threads.	[07:02]
Namworld	What?	[07:05]
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herbijudlestoids	easily the best bitcoin website ever: http://bitcoin-free-adclickandtasks-sites.nl	[07:07]
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chipug	it doesnt even fit on the page properly!	[07:10]
Namworld	The url tells me otherwise	[07:10]
chipug	lol hi Namworld	[07:10]
herbijudlestoids	Namworld, didn't you see it says free	[07:10]
chipug	mircea_popescu: wtf was that balloon guy thinking?!	[07:10]
Namworld	Yes I see it.	[07:11]
mircea_popescu	that dicking around with my pr is fun	[07:11]
*	chipug is confused - still thinks the dude learned something there	[07:11]
mircea_popescu	the name of at least one nurse in the burns section ?	[07:12]
chipug	lol!	[07:12]
dudesir	mircea is the 30 BTC fee going to change eventually?	[07:12]
mircea_popescu	yeah.	[07:12]
mircea_popescu	it was 20 up until glbse croaked.	[07:12]
mircea_popescu	it'll go to 50 eventually.	[07:13]
dudesir	lol I was assuming downwards, I suppose MPEX is only for those who are already rich...	[07:13]
Namworld	The rules are like this, dudesir: fee will only increase or stay the same.	[07:13]
dudesir	haha why?	[07:14]
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Namworld	Why not?	[07:14]
dudesir	more users?	[07:14]
chipug	everything increases with time, even waistlines	[07:14]
herbijudlestoids	dudesir: its an exchange, do you have an account with the CME or NYSE? you have an account with your broker, who has a seat (or equiv) at the exchange	[07:14]
Namworld	MPEx doesn't need more members and doesn't offer much support.	[07:14]
Namworld	It's designed to work like any stock exchange.	[07:14]
Namworld	Not for everyone to sign up on.	[07:14]
Namworld	Only large brokers and large institutions.	[07:15]
Namworld	People with lower investments can use a broker like CoinBR to trade MPEx	[07:15]
dudesir	Does it cost 30000$ to get an acct at nyse?	[07:15]
Namworld	Much more than that.	[07:15]
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dignork	dudesir, actually more	[07:16]
herbijudlestoids	$30,000 per MONTH i am pretty sure	[07:16]
chipug	i could live off that for life!	[07:16]
dudesir	Ok, I think I understand, NYSE is like an underlying exchange and brokers are on top of it?	[07:16]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids was about 1.5mn per year iirc.	[07:16]
herbijudlestoids	and not just that but its not like you can just buy a seat at the NYSE, someone has to die or want to sell their seat	[07:17]
Namworld	http://www.nyse.com/press/1135856420824.html	[07:17]
ozbot	NYSE, New York Stock Exchange > About Us > News & Events > News Releases > Press Release 12-30-2005	[07:17]
Namworld	I found this, looks like about 4 million in 2005	[07:17]
herbijudlestoids	http://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/04/031204.asp	[07:17]
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herbijudlestoids	"However, to own a seat, a trader or broker must meet more criteria than simply being able to afford it. Prospective owners of the seats must go through a stringent review process and, once accepted, they are required to maintain high levels of compliance and ethics as the NYSE and governmental regulators constantly review members. "	[07:18]
herbijudlestoids	:)	[07:18]
mircea_popescu	well mpex users are also required to maintain high levels of compliance and ethics.	[07:18]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: do u need someone ethical like me to do due diligence on all your members? :P	[07:18]
mircea_popescu	lol	[07:18]
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herbijudlestoids	uhoh its vexual	[07:19]
mircea_popescu	it's a self-performing operation. one of these days ima wake up to a report of "and then X tried to break Y" and just go "so revoke X"	[07:19]
dudesir	So does being a member enable you to vote on what stocks get allowed? I think I have much research to do on how the NYSE operates...	[07:19]
herbijudlestoids	uhoh i think my analogy has gone too far	[07:20]
Namworld	Nope	[07:20]
mircea_popescu	come to think of it, if the average person knew a whole lot of how the real world functions they'd be pretty scandalised.	[07:21]
mircea_popescu	"what do you mean it's 5mn and a bunch of crap and al lyou get for it is the opportunity to eat the crap ?!?!!"	[07:21]
mircea_popescu	"i want fries with that!11"	[07:21]
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herbijudlestoids	the price is only there as a barrier to entry, not as a meaningful representation of how much it costs to maintain the seat	[07:22]
herbijudlestoids	(on NYSE i mean)	[07:22]
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mircea_popescu	generally.	[07:24]
herbijudlestoids	you get a pretty good deal for 5 mio IMHO	[07:24]
herbijudlestoids	naked short almost anything even unborrowed	[07:24]
herbijudlestoids	cancel trades	[07:24]
Vexual	im in a loop thinking of numbers i don't understand, but there are external govt regulators vitoing bullshit on wall street no?	[07:25]
mircea_popescu	sort-of.	[07:25]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids you'	[07:26]
mircea_popescu	re confusing seats with specialists.	[07:26]
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nubbins`	asciilifeform, great story	[07:26]
mircea_popescu	not all the people in the pit are specialists.	[07:26]
ThickAsThieves	vitoing, is that how italians vote?	[07:27]
herbijudlestoids	you cant really be a specialist without having a seat or working for a bank/insto that does	[07:27]
herbijudlestoids	not that there are many specialists left	[07:27]
herbijudlestoids	lol wut pit?	[07:28]
ThickAsThieves	this is a pit	[07:28]
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herbijudlestoids	how many left and how much trading on them vs electronic outcry markets	[07:28]
nubbins`	your mother's pussy is a pit	[07:28]
nubbins`	sorry, habit	[07:28]
Vexual	zing	[07:29]
*	Now talking on #bitcoin-assets	[17:48]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://log.bitcoin-assets.com - most days worth reading \|\| http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com - all days worth reading	[17:48]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Nov 27 22:34:53 2013	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	bettyclamp	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	whoa. so i go to call up benkay who ofcourse isn't on, and i hit on bettyclamp ? who are ye!	[17:49]
ThickAsThieves	Former Minnesota governor and pro wrestler Jesse Ventura is currently on the press circuit around the launch of his talk show Off the Grid, but only from an undisclosed location in Mexico, safe from the prying camera-eyes of drones. "I'm off the grid," he said in an interview with CNBC yesterday. "I move about with my TV show so that the drones can't find me, and that you won't know	[17:51]
ThickAsThieves	exactly where I am as long as we have solar power and we can reach the satellite."	[17:51]
mircea_popescu	um	[17:51]
ThickAsThieves	only in Americo	[17:51]
mircea_popescu	but if he reaches the satellite i know where he is	[17:51]
ThickAsThieves	also, what fuck does anyone give where he is	[17:52]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.1448 BTC [+]	[17:52]
mircea_popescu	well that too.	[17:52]
mircea_popescu	but i mean what the fuck is with these people, it's quite plain to explain that talking to a satellite is like yelling really really loudly.	[17:52]
ThickAsThieves	well we're criticizing the wrong problem	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	he imagines that "as long as i got my coffee and can yell to the wifey for sandwiches the kids don;t know where in the house i am to come asking for money" ?	[17:53]
ThickAsThieves	i dont think he believes what he is saying	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	then what's he sayin' it for.	[17:53]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.1448 BTC [+]	[17:53]
ThickAsThieves	no he's saying it for the people that do worry about that shit	[17:53]
ThickAsThieves	for their votes	[17:53]
punkman1	he gets paid to say that shit	[17:53]
ThickAsThieves	or whatever	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	yes, but here's the problem :	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	he could say something intelligent that'd work just as well	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	bar that, he could say something unstupid that worked just as well	[17:54]
ThickAsThieves	if he werent pandering to anti-intellectuals maybe	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	his choice to say something retarded i HIS	[17:54]
ThickAsThieves	well as a "pro" wrestler, it's surprising he'd compromise his integrity for attention	[17:55]
ThickAsThieves	not	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	ya definitely.	[17:55]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[17:55]
ThickAsThieves	you see the google news?	[17:56]
ThickAsThieves	your google will suck now	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	nah i've not looked outdoors yet.	[17:56]
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ThickAsThieves	this is much more cringe-worthy: http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/5/5381166/google-reaches-antitrust-agreement-with-european-regulators-over	[17:57]
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mircea_popescu	that, incidentally, would be one of the cool things to do :	[17:57]
mircea_popescu	a bitcoin google. you can advertise on it on the bitbet model and fu govts.	[17:57]
ThickAsThieves	put more search in your search bro!	[17:57]
mircea_popescu	it indexes anything, gl.	[17:57]
ThickAsThieves	well there was my custom filter idea	[17:58]
mircea_popescu	filter schmilter. have a spider farm	[17:58]
ThickAsThieves	not sure bitcoindecentralizable	[17:58]
mircea_popescu	have an actual coin whose pow is related to spidering websites	[17:58]
ThickAsThieves	hmm	[17:58]
ThickAsThieves	sucks to not have a legion of competent programmers at our disposal to explore every whim	[17:59]
mircea_popescu	we do.	[17:59]
Apocalyptic	i don't believe that's pow-able	[17:59]
mircea_popescu	sucks to onyl have a legion.	[17:59]
mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic whyssat ?	[17:59]
mircea_popescu	we need over 9000 legions	[17:59]
punkman1	spidering is the easy part, indexing and answering queries fast is the problem	[18:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 135 @ 0.00305999 = 0.4131 BTC [+] {2}	[18:00]
mircea_popescu	punkman1 this is true.	[18:00]
mircea_popescu	the thing is, one of the fundamental business strategy mistakes google fell into is	[18:00]
mircea_popescu	that it picked "fast" rather than "correctly"	[18:01]
punkman1	like I wanted to put commoncrawl data on AWS and run my own queries, but fuck it if it's gonna cost me $20 per query	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	you'd rather have 5 second waits for excellent search pages than the current search pages in .5 seconds	[18:01]
ThickAsThieves	works well enough for most i guess	[18:02]
mircea_popescu	they didn't start this way, back when larry and serghey, but over the course of "business" various moles slowly optimized towards it	[18:02]
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punkman1	not enough seconds for everyone	[18:02]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves only because they don't know what they're missing.	[18:02]
punkman1	my biggest gripe is that exact search is no longer very exact	[18:02]
ThickAsThieves	indeed, my wife is actually the one who reminds me of this	[18:02]
mircea_popescu	for instance.	[18:02]
ThickAsThieves	she thinks google is too creepy and will create a small paradigm	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	it has already	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	all the fuckwitted jimothies out there are the results of the kitsch-wisdom created by google and wikipedia.	[18:03]
ThickAsThieves	in and of itself maybe	[18:03]
ThickAsThieves	but i dont get all my info from google	[18:03]
punkman1	Google is like the central planning office of the internet	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	YOU don't.	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	a good chunk of the people listening to jesse james or w/e the mn govt's name was do however.	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	and the rest they get either from people who got all their info from google and failed to understand it	[18:04]
mircea_popescu	or from various panderers who are too stupid to pander intelligently or at least unstupidly	[18:04]
ThickAsThieves	yeah the same people that go "if this surch is so great, who so slowz!"	[18:04]
mircea_popescu	and there it is, a full meal.	[18:04]
ThickAsThieves	why so slowz*	[18:04]
mircea_popescu	speal better!	[18:04]
ThickAsThieves	sometimes my brain has no idea what my fingers are doing	[18:05]
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mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/9VM9qDd.gif << tat's brain	[18:06]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.24310363 = 0.7293 BTC	[18:06]
ThickAsThieves	dogebrain	[18:06]
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mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/iWRYZI0.gif hahaha she rules.	[18:08]
ThickAsThieves	facemaking practice?	[18:11]
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mircea_popescu	mebbe it's just cause she looks familiar.	[18:12]
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mircea_popescu	http://media.tumblr.com/e58f0ce0f18c39950977d1233ffb13b3/tumblr_inline_msb7c8VQhK1qz4rgp.gif << this kid should ipo	[18:13]
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mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/D7ymfIc.gif	[18:16]
chipug	that paper towel thing was fucking great way to wake up, thanks lol	[18:21]
Duffer1	?	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	yw	[18:22]
chipug	Duffer1: the 'ipo kid' gif from mircea	[18:23]
chipug	genius	[18:23]
mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/is8K8zY.gif	[18:24]
mircea_popescu	i shoulda had a painting LIKE THAT comissioned.	[18:24]
Duffer1	ah the internets, restart comp, meanwhile the world changes	[18:24]
ThickAsThieves	is the painting happening?	[18:25]
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mircea_popescu	i should think so	[18:25]
mircea_popescu	or if not there shall be CONSEQUENCES	[18:26]
mircea_popescu	on the internet	[18:26]
mircea_popescu	http://media.tumblr.com/82715e2d6552ca5b3b2d20cefcdc99cd/tumblr_inline_mqilb78pyf1qz4rgp.gif	[18:26]
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chipug	bahaha how unlucky! i bring you a gif in return http://imgur.com/a/cV4vN?gallery	[18:28]
mircea_popescu	lol retards	[18:28]
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ThickAsThieves	i can't even read the Neo thread anymore without using the PR account, I have so many people ignored	[18:29]
ThickAsThieves	it's probly 2 people	[18:29]
Duffer1	"Max Keiser ‏@maxkeiser 28s.@DogecoinCharity Nobody has created more BTC millionaires than @KeiserReport I hope you weren't left behind."	[18:30]
ThickAsThieves	...	[18:31]
chipug	o.o	[18:31]
mircea_popescu	Duffer1 give him a link to http://trilema.com/2013/in-which-noobs-learn-lessons-and-pay-for-the-privilege/	[18:31]
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mircea_popescu	he always loves being reminded i'm still wearing his anal ring.	[18:31]
Duffer1	ha	[18:31]
mircea_popescu	and if he responds anything you can always give him http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-make-money-on-the-internet-while-pretending-you-know-what-youre-talking-about-and-accumulating-a-legion-of-mindless-followers-for-fun-and-profit/	[18:31]
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PiratByran	Hey, can someone do me a favor?	[18:32]
chipug	lol just how often do you get asked if it's you on the horse mircea_popescu?!	[18:32]
nubbins`	ah, the pirate bureau	[18:32]
mircea_popescu	funny how this shit works, too, after april he took a six months break	[18:32]
mircea_popescu	now he's back making the same claims	[18:32]
mircea_popescu	PiratByran shoot	[18:32]
PiratByran	Well, I was going to purchase something for my friends birthday using bitcoin.	[18:32]
Duffer1	i'll stay out of that one MP :P	[18:32]
mircea_popescu	chipug it is. not too often, more often mpoe-pr gets asked if she's a guy.	[18:32]
ThickAsThieves	i took care of it	[18:32]
PiratByran	And because of various circumstances, I had to use a convoluted method of buying bitcoins.	[18:32]
ThickAsThieves	https://twitter.com/maxkeiser/status/431102348421644288	[18:33]
ozbot	Twitter / maxkeiser: .@DogecoinCharity Nobody has ...	[18:33]
chipug	why will no one believe we're not lying about being girls?	[18:33]
nubbins`	PiratByran, many methods of buying bitcoins are convoluted	[18:33]
PiratByran	Doing my math wrong with fees, I came up 51 U.S. cents (.0006 btc) short.	[18:33]
mircea_popescu	chipug have you seen mpoe-pr ?	[18:33]
nubbins`	chipug: because most people are lying about it	[18:33]
PiratByran	I am a beggar. I will not pretend to be above that right now :P. I fucked up, and it would be very helpful for someone to donate 51 cents to me.	[18:33]
nubbins`	PiratByran: if you're asking for a handout, PFO	[18:33]
PiratByran	pfo? unfamiliar	[18:33]
nubbins`	;;ud pfo	[18:34]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pfo \| PFO. A rejection letter received after an unsuccessful job interview. Also applicable for any polite-but-final rejection. Origin: An acronym of "Please F--k Off ".	[18:34]
ozbot	Urban Dictionary: pfo	[18:34]
PiratByran	oooo	[18:34]
chipug	i've seen her dp on btctalk, she's a bonny lassy, she mustve gotten same hassle, why i took pic off	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	dude, i'm not giving you whatever dust because that'll result in a bunch of other idiots trying to do the same.	[18:34]
nubbins`	^	[18:34]
PiratByran	okay, no love here. sorry for the bother	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	gl.	[18:34]
nubbins`	love != charity	[18:34]
PiratByran	yeah, Ive been to third world contries I know that argument haha, its cool makes sense	[18:34]
PiratByran	just sucks having to wait quite some time for 51 cents :(	[18:34]
nubbins`	i love my wife, doesn't mean i give her a nickel every time she does math wrong	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	it's a fact, after openbsd we kept getting dudes with stuff	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	my twitter is fulla it etc.	[18:34]
chipug	51 cents?! wtf im like 2 months behind on rent and won't beg.	[18:35]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu, this is why people don't give	[18:35]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` i hope you give her a welt.	[18:35]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu, a kiss ;(	[18:35]
Duffer1	ya there was also a noticeable uptick in #bitcoin-assets participation after that as well MP	[18:35]
mircea_popescu	"vanilla" he said derrisively.	[18:35]
nubbins`	hahaha	[18:35]
nubbins`	if only you knew	[18:35]
mircea_popescu	no, it's ok	[18:35]
ThickAsThieves	yeah the openbsd donation did bring some nice new blood	[18:36]
nubbins`	wasn't an offer to share ;)	[18:36]
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chipug	i take it 51 cents are also not worth waiting for	[18:36]
nubbins`	well if he'd thought ahead, he would have bought a bit extra.	[18:36]
nubbins`	"whoops, the exchange rate changed slightly"	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	o wait that derpage was on twitter ?	[18:37]
mircea_popescu	ooookay, let's play.	[18:37]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` tbh, it's shitty implementation on the pp's part	[18:37]
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chetty	9 killed as firefighters battle a blaze that destroyed Argentine banking archives	[18:38]
deadweasel	burn them all! (archives)	[18:39]
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chetty	looks like a good start on that deadweasel	[18:40]
Duffer1	this will end well	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/431105025985630210 <<	[18:40]
ozbot	Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: And since we're talking of ...	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	if anyone cares to rt, i'm sure it'll do a lot for an old man's happiness.	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	chetty whoa.	[18:40]
Duffer1	man i just watched fight club last night	[18:41]
Duffer1	maybe some argentinians saw it too :P	[18:42]
ThickAsThieves	https://twitter.com/TheRealAltcoin/status/431105094331813888 :)	[18:42]
ozbot	Twitter / TheRealAltcoin: @maxkeiser No. Altcoin is. ...	[18:42]
ThickAsThieves	also i retweeted for you	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	why ty.	[18:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00307997 = 0.308 BTC [+]	[18:43]
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mircea_popescu	Glyn Jones @onlinementor3 · 1m	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	@Mircea_Popescu Hi Mircea these Four Free eBooks will really help you achieve success http://online-mentor4you.blogspot.co.uk/	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	no srsly.	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	of the whole 1bn people online i was chosen as the one who needs a little help on the topic.	[18:43]
ThickAsThieves	stop searching "Who is the fairest mentor of them all" then	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	whoa. seems i accidentally found a way to get past twitter's 140 character limit	[18:45]
mircea_popescu	https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/431105025985630210 << hoover on the link.	[18:45]
ozbot	Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: And since we're talking of ...	[18:45]
ThickAsThieves	nice, now just make a hover.com and do it as a service	[18:45]
mircea_popescu	ya srsly.	[18:45]
mircea_popescu	then get VCs to finance me and spend the rest of my life eating airline food and conference rubber ducks	[18:46]
ThickAsThieves	althover.io	[18:46]
mircea_popescu	twitterstretch.in	[18:46]
mircea_popescu	logo could be one of those mechanical vaginal pears they had cca 1600	[18:46]
ThickAsThieves	moretwitterinyourtwitter.bro	[18:46]
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ThickAsThieves	twitter has no spam reporting?	[18:47]
ThickAsThieves	nevermind	[18:48]
ThickAsThieves	had to log in	[18:48]
deadweasel	i'm soryr, can I get a link on "mechanical vaginal pears circa 1660"? i'm at work.	[18:48]
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mircea_popescu	http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a244/luckyyou7023/vaginal-pear-02.jpg	[18:49]
mircea_popescu	end spike optional	[18:49]
ThickAsThieves	i assumed a sppeculum	[18:49]
mircea_popescu	(that's really for uteral forced expansion, which is way more painful)_	[18:50]
ThickAsThieves	then slogan can be	[18:50]
deadweasel	omg, so glad I don't have a uterus	[18:50]
Duffer1	wow the engraving, they put a lot of effort and care into that	[18:50]
ThickAsThieves	Be an Asshole and put more Dick in your Tweeter	[18:50]
mircea_popescu	Duffer1 the artist wasn't paid so well, but he took solace in the notion his handywork will be embossed on generations of boxes.	[18:51]
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Duffer1	ha	[18:51]
mircea_popescu	you know, sort-of like the hiring pitch for webdevs today	[18:51]
ThickAsThieves	"think of all the customer it will bring you"	[18:51]
mircea_popescu	deadweasel don't be that happy. http://www.bcmamedicalmuseum.org/object/i2995w.jpg	[18:52]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 65 @ 0.00306 = 0.1989 BTC [-]	[18:52]
deadweasel	lovely, next time i need my anus dilated, I'll pick up a set.	[18:52]
mircea_popescu	that	[18:52]
mircea_popescu	s not what those are.	[18:53]
ThickAsThieves	penis enlargers!	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	vanilla weasel never saw urethral sounds.	[18:53]
deadweasel	oh shit.	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	yw.	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	(ps, one of the early uses of electricity...)	[18:53]
ThickAsThieves	today an amazing thing happened to me	[18:54]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[18:54]
deadweasel	well, i could get into that..	[18:54]
*	mircea_popescu helping the gdp of the western world recover through increased work productivity of the top workers.	[18:54]
ThickAsThieves	a forum poster criticized my post, I retorted, and he conceded	[18:54]
mircea_popescu	no ?!	[18:54]
mircea_popescu	you have stepped in an alternate reality	[18:55]
deadweasel	you must be on the wrong forum	[18:55]
ThickAsThieves	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg4953144#msg4953144	[18:55]
ozbot	ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It	[18:55]
mircea_popescu	check who controls the vertical and the horizontal.	[18:55]
mircea_popescu	aaahahahaha	[18:55]
mircea_popescu	http://media.tumblr.com/2666f75887c09590958eda247c8f15e8/tumblr_inline_mpl3opPOYZ1qz4rgp.gif	[18:55]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[18:55]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform http://i.imgur.com/tTzteY6.gif < is this sodium ?	[18:57]
deadweasel	that front middle kitty is veryapprehensive. middle middle kitty gives no fucks.	[18:58]
mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/71YgV8q.gif	[18:58]
punkman1	looks like tin	[18:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 0.66666485 BTC to 695 shares, 95923 satoshi per share	[18:59]
mircea_popescu	tin doesn't fragment oxidizing does it ?	[18:59]
mircea_popescu	it just gets a cover, like aluminum	[18:59]
ThickAsThieves	silica?	[19:00]
ThickAsThieves	i have no idea what i'm talking about	[19:00]
mircea_popescu	that's not metallic	[19:00]
mircea_popescu	this is definitely metallic	[19:00]
chetty	sugar	[19:00]
mircea_popescu	nah, i think it's an elementary substance	[19:00]
ThickAsThieves	aluminum	[19:01]
kakobreklaa	read dood.	[19:01]
kakobreklaa	blah power out again. bbl	[19:02]
mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/uM8s3gQ.gif	[19:02]
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punkman1	mircea_popescu: yeah that's it, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXB83Heh3_c	[19:06]
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mircea_popescu	a wow wd.	[19:08]
mircea_popescu	tin huh	[19:08]
punkman1	"time lapse video of sample maintained at -40 C. 20 shots per hour."	[19:09]
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punkman1	mircea_popescu: will the Cardano be lead-free or anything?	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	i know it'll be gold plated, but i doubt it'll be lead free	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	we're capitalists not environmentalists over here	[19:11]
asciilifeform	i've always thought of my gear puller as 'the pear'	[19:11]
asciilifeform	(similar: http://home.comcast.net/~alloy-artifacts/Photos/tools/plomb_4070_gear_puller_38_cropped.jpg)	[19:11]
Duffer1	pff it's not green? /dealbreaker	[19:11]
punkman1	wouldn't want any tin whiskers	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	it's not green its golden.	[19:11]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform srsly, all that molten solder you've been breathing / spreading aroud the kitchen	[19:12]
mircea_popescu	it has lead and arsenic in it rite ?	[19:12]
punkman1	the smoke is just flux though	[19:12]
mircea_popescu	so you tihnk	[19:12]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 468 @ 0.00083998 = 0.3931 BTC [+] {3}	[19:12]
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mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/0RArhfs.gif << now that's aptitude.	[19:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.129 = 0.903 BTC [+]	[19:13]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 82 @ 0.00551447 = 0.4522 BTC [-] {6}	[19:14]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: Sn / Bi alloy.	[19:14]
mircea_popescu	aww. and i thought the units could double as art!	[19:15]
asciilifeform	melting point 138C.	[19:16]
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asciilifeform	PCB is lead-free, ICs aren't.	[19:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.550002 = 2.75 BTC [-] {2}	[19:17]
punkman1	hmm so tin whiskers do indeed have to do with this "tin pest" reaction	[19:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.13 = 0.52 BTC [+]	[19:17]
mircea_popescu	kinda hard to make semiconductors lead free.	[19:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.12400001 = 0.248 BTC [-] {2}	[19:18]
asciilifeform	http://www.maximintegrated.com/app-notes/index.mvp/id/5250	[19:20]
ozbot	Tin Whiskers Are Real and Complex - Tutorial - Maxim	[19:20]
mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/T5PnOJl.gif	[19:21]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.135 = 0.27 BTC [+]	[19:23]
Duffer1	grats man	[19:24]
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nubbins`	i'm happy too	[19:25]
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nubbins`	my beautiful copy of the codex seraphinianus arrived today	[19:26]
nubbins`	it even quelled my rage at this client we're dealing with	[19:26]
nubbins`	who would rather fly 6.25% organic cotton tank tops in from the exact opposite end of the north american continent	[19:26]
nubbins`	than use non-organic tanks from the next province over	[19:26]
nubbins`	because organic	[19:26]
nubbins`	"is this logo good enough quality?" 28kb png	[19:27]
nubbins`	wait, no, the rage is back	[19:27]
asciilifeform	british crown ddos of irc!	[19:27]
asciilifeform	http://www.wikileaks-forum.com/nsa/332/snowden-leak-gshq-attacked-anonymous-in-2012/27549	[19:27]
nubbins`	because organic	[19:27]
nubbins`	because she runs a yoga studio	[19:27]
mircea_popescu	and this is where we quote to you	[19:27]
nubbins`	and because most people, given the choice between BEING "eco-friendly" and APPEARING "eco-friendly", will choose the latter	[19:27]
mircea_popescu	"punkman1> he gets paid to say that shit"	[19:28]
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nubbins`	seriously, i could sew a one-inch strip of organic cotton onto the bottom of a regular tank top for the same effect.	[19:28]
ThickAsThieves	all wasted sewing power though	[19:28]
mircea_popescu	actually this is an engineering task.	[19:28]
mircea_popescu	do you know the per-km-pound impact of transporting vs the per pound impact of manufacturing nongreen ?	[19:29]
mircea_popescu	it may actually be the case she's right.	[19:29]
asciilifeform	enviro-whinerism: expensive, shoddy, deadly.	[19:29]
asciilifeform	http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/puron.htm	[19:29]
chipug	gshq?!	[19:29]
punkman1	so it only contains 6.25% organic cotton?	[19:29]
nubbins`	6.25% organic cotton and 6.25% recycled polyester	[19:29]
nubbins`	the rest is just regular cotton/poly	[19:29]
ThickAsThieves	yeah cuz wholly organic would ruin yoga tudios profit margin	[19:29]
nubbins`	oh, did i mention these are OVER DOUBLE THE COST, too?	[19:30]
punkman1	why even mix the two?	[19:30]
nubbins`	punkman1: for some reason, you can't buy 100% organic cotton tank tops.	[19:30]
nubbins`	i'm not sure why	[19:30]
ThickAsThieves	maybe cuz they shrink too much	[19:30]
nubbins`	cotton's cotton, it's usually pre-shrunk anyway	[19:30]
ThickAsThieves	so they say	[19:30]
nubbins`	yeah	[19:30]
nubbins`	still shrinks 3-5%	[19:30]
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nubbins`	regardless	[19:30]
nubbins`	i can buy a 100% cotton tee	[19:31]
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nubbins`	but not a tank	[19:31]
ThickAsThieves	ah	[19:31]
nubbins`	seriously, $6 for non-organic cotton and $15 for 6.25% organic	[19:31]
nubbins`	"WE'LL GO WITH THE ECO FRIENDLY ONES"	[19:31]
nubbins`	"HERE'S A 200PX LOGO THAT I WANT PRINTED EIGHT INCHES WIDE"	[19:31]
nubbins`	"WHY ARE MY LETTERS ALL BIG"	[19:31]
chipug	honestly, fuck going outside. think i'll give that a miss from now on	[19:31]
ThickAsThieves	incidentally i did few t-shirt orders for clients, but the last one was a yoga studio	[19:31]
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nubbins`	tat, fucking fake hippies	[19:32]
ThickAsThieves	same issues	[19:32]
nubbins`	i'm surprised they didn't ask for bamboo tanks	[19:32]
ThickAsThieves	except they only wanted 10 at a time	[19:32]
ThickAsThieves	cuz they are poor	[19:32]
nubbins`	(which, incidentally, is eco-unfriendly	[19:32]
nubbins`	)	[19:32]
nubbins`	heh	[19:32]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` clearly the tee but not tank is a conspiraci of the feminist dykes to make life difficult for the sluts.	[19:32]
nubbins`	did they realize that 10 at a time was the least cost-effective method?	[19:32]
mircea_popescu	no other explanation.	[19:32]
nubbins`	none because they can't afford one	[19:33]
ThickAsThieves	my wife has one	[19:33]
nubbins`	i've never seen one	[19:33]
nubbins`	ever	[19:33]
ThickAsThieves	and is part of a green nonprofit	[19:33]
mircea_popescu	http://mahmood.tv/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/hooters-protest1.jpg	[19:33]
mircea_popescu	tank vs tee	[19:33]
nubbins`	funny story, our first hooters is opening up this year	[19:33]
asciilifeform	three or four on this street, some with the familiar green DOD stickers	[19:34]
ThickAsThieves	my wife's only has cat stickers	[19:34]
nubbins`	heh	[19:34]
ThickAsThieves	i did it as a joke	[19:34]
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ThickAsThieves	cuz we have 6 cats	[19:34]
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nubbins`	i want to get a set of those stick-man family stickers for back windows	[19:35]
ThickAsThieves	so we have the bumper sticker family thing	[19:35]
nubbins`	but instead of me, pascale, and a cat	[19:35]
ThickAsThieves	Man, woman, six cats, in a row	[19:35]
nubbins`	i want like 30 girls surrounding a single cat	[19:35]
nubbins`	toothy grins and claw hands	[19:35]
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ThickAsThieves	probly 1 man surrounded by 2 women would be funny enough	[19:36]
pLambert	http://xkcd.com/946/	[19:37]
ozbot	xkcd: Family Decals	[19:37]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves you mean like http://trilema.com/2012/orice-cuplu-functional/ ?	[19:38]
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ThickAsThieves	well, no, but yes	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha	[19:41]
mircea_popescu	mp "did you mean X ?" person "well, no, but yes".	[19:41]
mircea_popescu	i should wear a button with that.	[19:41]
ThickAsThieves	pretty much the state of current worldwide communication	[19:42]
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pankkake	pLambert: people think I'm a horrible person when I state money as my number one reason to not have children. but… it's true	[19:43]
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mircea_popescu	meanwhile back at the forum, http://media.tumblr.com/60a578384a3d0ff3fdcb971f271fae9d/tumblr_inline_mjkje3jJKw1qz4rgp.gif	[19:43]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[19:44]
Duffer1	haha	[19:44]
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nubbins`	heh	[19:45]
pLambert	pankkake: funny, rich people view children as a liability, poor people view children as an asset	[19:45]
nubbins`	"maybe this will work"	[19:45]
nubbins`	"maybe if i take an extremely long rigid beam and swing it around my head, the far end will exceed the speed of light"	[19:45]
nubbins`	pLambert: "manufactured happiness" :D	[19:46]
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pLambert	maybe we could get a perpetual motion machine to apply torque to accelerate the beam?	[19:46]
nubbins`	http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_gilbert_asks_why_are_we_happy.html	[19:46]
ozbot	Dan Gilbert: The surprising science of happiness \| Video on TED.com	[19:46]
mircea_popescu	pLambert the view happens to be correct. the per-capita investment for poor man's children to replace poor man is negative. the per capita investment for rich man's children to replace rich man is enormous, and exponential.	[19:46]
mircea_popescu	this not even taking into account the big problem, which is, the required minimal capacity of the child to absorb investment	[19:47]
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pLambert	could I, as a person in a rich society, just choose to spend little on my children and expect them to contribute?	[19:48]
mircea_popescu	sure.	[19:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0054 = 0.54 BTC [-]	[19:48]
mircea_popescu	but from a game theoretic perspective, consider you've rolled an 3 point average character in a 1-20 stats game.	[19:48]
mircea_popescu	do you reroll or try to level ?	[19:48]
mircea_popescu	compare with rolling a pure 20 stat char. do you EVER re-roll that ?	[19:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.0054 = 0.27 BTC [-] {3}	[19:49]
antephialtic	sounds very Rawlsian. Pick the game you want to play based on the odds before you roll	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	you personally can do anything you please, and so can anyone else. but on aggregate people will play the game correctly.	[19:49]
benkay`	babe, on getting a new credit card: "why is this so commmplicated"	[19:49]
benkay`	me: "because its not bitcoing"	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[19:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.13888889 = 0.2778 BTC [-]	[19:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0054 = 0.108 BTC [-]	[19:50]
nubbins`	http://xkcd.com/1323/	[19:50]
ozbot	xkcd: Protocol	[19:50]
nubbins`	lelelel	[19:50]
benkay`	business partner on discovering our banking partners wants 5 dollars for every physical check: "why is this so stupid? why do banks suck so much?"	[19:50]
nubbins`	i should try this soon	[19:50]
benkay`	me: "because its not bitcoin"	[19:50]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.00093363 = 21.2868 BTC [-] {2}	[19:51]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.53987998 = 1.0798 BTC [+]	[19:51]
nubbins`	friend, paying for an item with cash at the store: "why is this so easy?"	[19:52]
nubbins`	me: "because it's not bitcoin"	[19:52]
ThickAsThieves	mircea_popescu Bitcoin Magazine has put out a bat signal for you: http://bitcoinmagazine.com/9908/bitcoin-need-john-law/	[19:52]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.53999332 = 1.62 BTC [+] {2}	[19:52]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves as usual, they do not know what the words they're saying mean.	[19:52]
nubbins`	pascale just referred to the part of the toilet where all the lid hinges are as "the choda"	[19:53]
pankkake	paying cash is hard for me, I can't do mental calculus	[19:53]
mircea_popescu	pankkake just hand over bills and watch the op's eyes	[19:54]
mircea_popescu	poker change protocol.	[19:54]
pankkake	I usually don't care	[19:54]
nubbins`	haha	[19:54]
nubbins`	eyes widen: "where's my change"	[19:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0054 = 0.108 BTC [-]	[19:54]
pankkake	if they think scamming me is worth me not coming if I discover it… so be it	[19:54]
mircea_popescu	i never actually bother doing the math untill i see they're cheating me	[19:54]
nubbins`	eyes narrow: "sorry, here's some more"	[19:54]
mircea_popescu	i've like a 98% success rate so far.	[19:54]
nubbins`	i watched a friend overpay for an item by ~$45 in colombia because he mixed up "five" and "fifty"	[19:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0054 = 0.108 BTC [-]	[19:55]
nubbins`	"that vendor was really friendly"	[19:55]
ThickAsThieves	"Mortgage Rates Hit Three-Month Low"	[19:56]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.0054 = 0.216 BTC [-] {2}	[19:56]
ThickAsThieves	maybe theyll start paying us to buy houses	[19:57]
pankkake	I like that john law article!	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	http://media.tumblr.com/a0cac300cf0e64cde94acd7628294ece/tumblr_inline_mj8j8vJNxU1qz4rgp.gif	[19:57]
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pankkake	she looks like dr greg	[19:58]
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mircea_popescu	what's a dr greg	[20:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.11110004 BTC [-]	[20:00]
pankkake	http://crstat.com/imx/greg150x200.jpg	[20:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 41 @ 0.10312682 = 4.2282 BTC [-] {9}	[20:01]
nubbins`	haha	[20:01]
nubbins`	i remember dr greg	[20:01]
nubbins`	ThickAsThieves: i was reading an article the other day saying that rates here in canada will start rising this year or next	[20:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0906781 = 0.272 BTC [-] {3}	[20:02]
nubbins`	all a bit of a beat-off	[20:02]
mircea_popescu	rates everywhere will start to raise next year since 2008.	[20:02]
ThickAsThieves	as i see it here, housing is fucked for along time	[20:02]
mircea_popescu	problem is... no. canada economy can't support rates over 5% , and won't. possibly ever in the history of canada.	[20:03]
ThickAsThieves	in FL there are so many half-finished neighborhood developments	[20:03]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.11109999 BTC [+]	[20:03]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 67 @ 0.00306 = 0.205 BTC [+]	[20:03]
ThickAsThieves	once things pick up theyll finish them, keeping the market down	[20:03]
Dimsler__	oh yeah right	[20:03]
Dimsler__	they'll finish	[20:03]
Dimsler__	half of the suburbs in america are going to become farms	[20:04]
Dimsler__	just like they did in detroit	[20:04]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.20001 = 0.4 BTC [-]	[20:04]
Dimsler__	suburbia is completely unnatural city management and planning	[20:04]
mircea_popescu	why ? they can plant gardens	[20:04]
Dimsler__	it was a concept devised by the anglo-saxon to push the catholic and jew out of the city cores in the early 1900s	[20:04]
mircea_popescu	minimal changes can turn us suburbia into what europe is like.	[20:05]
Dimsler__	because they were losing voting power	[20:05]
Dimsler__	no they can't	[20:05]
mircea_popescu	specifically ?	[20:05]
ThickAsThieves	not so bad when every 'hood is right off the highway	[20:05]
Dimsler__	thats complete horseshit	[20:05]
Dimsler__	man have you ever been to america?	[20:05]
ThickAsThieves	here we go!	[20:05]
mircea_popescu	yes, i lived there. have you ?	[20:05]
Dimsler__	yes	[20:05]
Dimsler__	and i also lived in europe	[20:05]
mircea_popescu	cool. so then. specifically ?	[20:05]
Dimsler__	the population density makes it improbable	[20:05]
Dimsler__	in a north american city most peopel live 20km+ from the downtown center	[20:06]
mircea_popescu	i thought we were discussing the infrastructure not the population.	[20:06]
Dimsler__	of a single city	[20:06]
mircea_popescu	in europe most people live 20km+ from the downtowncenter too.	[20:06]
Dimsler__	while in europ 15km IS another city	[20:06]
Dimsler__	oh yeah where?	[20:06]
Dimsler__	because I've been everywhere	[20:06]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [-]	[20:06]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 177 @ 0.00307222 = 0.5438 BTC [+] {2}	[20:06]
mircea_popescu	well see., the fact that they call it "another city" is irrelevant	[20:06]
Dimsler__	from paris to kiev to bucharest	[20:06]
Dimsler__	no	[20:06]
mircea_popescu	you can call about 45 "othercities" in greater boston area	[20:06]
nubbins`	^	[20:06]
Dimsler__	the population displacement is massive	[20:06]
nubbins`	amalgamation	[20:06]
nubbins`	toronto used to be what, five cities?	[20:07]
nubbins`	then they all bled together	[20:07]
nubbins`	same with ottawa	[20:07]
nubbins`	same with vancouver	[20:07]
mircea_popescu	in fact, la is > size of slovenia. to the point i was making jokes about the TOWN of slovenia.	[20:07]
nubbins`	same with montreal	[20:07]
Dimsler__	toronto in the 1900s had a sign up in the core saying they didn't sell realestate to jews or fags	[20:07]
nubbins`	happening right now with edmonton, calgary	[20:07]
Dimsler__	so they where forced into urban sprawl	[20:07]
Dimsler__	the problem with that is it creates inefficiencies in infrastructure	[20:07]
nubbins`	^	[20:07]
mircea_popescu	i think your particular preoccupation with a political slant makes the discussion intractable to you.	[20:07]
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Dimsler__	where an individal cannot move around without consume a fuck load of natural resources	[20:07]
mircea_popescu	forget the jewz bs.	[20:07]
pLambert	Where I live, a small town in the US, everybody lives within about 3 km of the downtown	[20:08]
Dimsler__	sure i don't believe in nation states	[20:08]
Dimsler__	assume every little suburb became its own little city	[20:08]
Dimsler__	how will they sustain there life?	[20:08]
Dimsler__	there is no manufacturing, jobs are a 50-60km commute away	[20:08]
mircea_popescu	pLambert we're not even talking about flyover us, cause obviously that doesn't exist for the op :D	[20:08]
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Dimsler__	who the fuck is funding the fuel here?	[20:08]
mircea_popescu	Dimsler__ you heard on the internet ?	[20:08]
Dimsler__	north america was built on cheap gasoline	[20:08]
mircea_popescu	i have teams working for me totalling well over 100 people	[20:08]
Dimsler__	the internet? wtf are you talking about	[20:08]
mircea_popescu	and srsly, i'd be surprised if the average distance between pairs is under 3k miles	[20:09]
Dimsler__	the internet is a den of theives pornographers and fraudsters	[20:09]
Dimsler__	there is no "money" to be made on the internet	[20:09]
Dimsler__	for the average joe	[20:09]
mircea_popescu	ok i guess this has gone to its logical conclusion.	[20:09]
nubbins`	the average joe is a bum	[20:09]
Dimsler__	the logical conclusion is going to be an exodus from suburbia	[20:09]
nubbins`	the average joe works minimum wage	[20:09]
Dimsler__	back into the cities	[20:09]
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mircea_popescu	not happening.	[20:09]
Dimsler__	average white man US population is 44	[20:09]
nubbins`	happening some places	[20:09]
nubbins`	south korea, for example	[20:09]
mircea_popescu	the suburbia is getting (for a minimal cost) refurbished and that's that.	[20:09]
mircea_popescu	your joe can starve, nobody cares.	[20:09]
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Dimsler__	the next place for older americans is next to a funeral home or a cemetary	[20:10]
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Dimsler__	the average joe isn't going to just starve	[20:10]
pLambert	my parents live in suburban Detroit, I have noticed the area around them is becoming denser, over time the US cities will change to be more like small cities instead of one giant city	[20:10]
Dimsler__	hes goign to cause a shit storm	[20:10]
nubbins`	me: "what was the interest rate on your mortgage?"	[20:10]
Dimsler__	pLambert, oh yeah? with what manufacturing?	[20:10]
nubbins`	dad: "7.25% locked in for 35 years. a real bargain at the time, as rates soared to 18% at one point"	[20:10]
mircea_popescu	Dimsler__ poor people without resources or abilities do not cause shit storms.	[20:10]
livermore34	this sounds interesting: http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinStocks/comments/1x3lp9/counterparty_xcp_a_new_platform_for_trustfree/	[20:10]
Dimsler__	and with what population growth?	[20:10]
livermore34	no more exchange shutdowns	[20:10]
livermore34	or exchange scams	[20:10]
nubbins`	imagine, 18% interest on a mortgage	[20:11]
pLambert	what about manufacturing? Detroit has factories spread throughout all the suburbs	[20:11]
Dimsler__	nubbins`, thats nothing new	[20:11]
mircea_popescu	livermore34 you've not really done your reading re that shitfest.	[20:11]
Dimsler__	thats 1990s america	[20:11]
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nubbins`	wow	[20:11]
Dimsler__	1988-1990 had mortgages rates up to 16%	[20:11]
nubbins`	imagine	[20:11]
Dimsler__	mircea_popescu, man reference yourself hurricane katrina	[20:12]
Dimsler__	a little storm	[20:12]
Dimsler__	and even the national guard couldn't stop looting niggers	[20:12]
nubbins`	"even" the national guard, hey?	[20:12]
mircea_popescu	seriously, you got some stuff going on that's preventing you from thinking.	[20:12]
nubbins`	"even a bunch of bums who train one weekend a month couldn't keep an entire city under control"	[20:12]
nubbins`	shocking	[20:13]
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Dimsler__	mircea_popescu, you have no idea bout how evil and arrogant the anglo-saxon actually is	[20:13]
mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/Nex8eBy.gif	[20:13]
mircea_popescu	on the right, national guard.	[20:13]
mircea_popescu	Dimsler__ probably because i'm even more evil and arrogant.	[20:13]
nubbins`	heh	[20:13]
nubbins`	"the anglo-saxon"	[20:14]
nubbins`	"the jew"	[20:14]
nubbins`	"the nigger"	[20:14]
Dimsler__	well these are actual terms	[20:14]
ThickAsThieves	wow i go make some tea and come back some prime idiocy	[20:14]
nubbins`	"the dimsler"	[20:14]
punkman1	I propose "the dimsler"	[20:14]
mircea_popescu	!b 2	[20:14]
assbot	Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1587218/plain/)	[20:14]
asciilifeform	saxons.txt	[20:14]
nubbins`	^ hahahahah	[20:14]
punkman1	you got me nubbins	[20:14]
nubbins`	i'm quick	[20:14]
mircea_popescu	if a saxophone is an instrument,	[20:14]
mircea_popescu	what's a niggophone ?	[20:14]
nubbins`	and i have like ZERO LAG	[20:14]
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Dimsler__	well what	[20:15]
ThickAsThieves	there's no money to be mad eon the internet guys, go home	[20:15]
Dimsler__	its a pure fact	[20:15]
Dimsler__	usury is caused by the jew	[20:15]
mircea_popescu	it's a puree of facts.	[20:15]
Dimsler__	compounded interest and usury cannot exist in a economic money system	[20:15]
mircea_popescu	is this tibby ?	[20:15]
nubbins`	lel	[20:15]
nubbins`	this is all rich	[20:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12221 @ 0.0009345 = 11.4205 BTC [+]	[20:15]
nubbins`	you people are fucked	[20:16]
ThickAsThieves	tibby wouldnt lurk this long til now	[20:16]
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Dimsler__	yeah you're all fucking genious'	[20:16]
Dimsler__	people are going to get internet jobs	[20:16]
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Dimsler__	and live in some suburbian utopia	[20:16]
Dimsler__	thats a great idea	[20:17]
punkman1	yeah clicking ads for satoshis all day	[20:17]
Dimsler__	and have little farms in there backyard	[20:17]
Dimsler__	s	[20:17]
nubbins`	sounds nice so far	[20:17]
nubbins`	does it have to be in america tho? that place sucks	[20:17]
nubbins`	too many destitute and crazy people	[20:17]
ThickAsThieves	how hard is it to move to Canada?	[20:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 64 @ 0.00305999 = 0.1958 BTC [-]	[20:17]
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pLambert	maybe the US would be better if we got rid of the FedGov?	[20:17]
nubbins`	easy as fuck	[20:17]
nubbins`	you can drive here from there	[20:17]
Dimsler__	all anglo countries blow	[20:18]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[20:18]
Dimsler__	you move to them you're going to get fucked up	[20:18]
Dimsler__	plain and simple	[20:18]
ThickAsThieves	but to be a citizen and live there	[20:18]
nubbins`	so where's your eden, Dimsler__ ?	[20:18]
Dimsler__	sealand	[20:18]
nubbins`	ThickAsThieves: get a job and we'll let you stay here	[20:18]
ThickAsThieves	can i make my own job?	[20:18]
nubbins`	sure	[20:18]
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nubbins`	i guess	[20:18]
ThickAsThieves	i dont like bosses	[20:18]
nubbins`	nobody does	[20:18]
ThickAsThieves	indeed	[20:19]
nubbins`	i've got a mexican roommate who just got her work visa a while ago	[20:19]
nubbins`	you may need to be sponsored by an employer to get settled, not sure of the ins and outs	[20:19]
asciilifeform	if i recall you can buy canadian citizenship for $50k	[20:19]
asciilifeform	(usd)	[20:19]
nubbins`	but canada welcomes immigrants with open arms	[20:19]
Dimsler__	you'd be completely retarded	[20:19]
Dimsler__	to spend 50k	[20:19]
ThickAsThieves	I'll come apprentice for Pink Eye	[20:19]
Dimsler__	on a candian citizenship	[20:19]
nubbins`	sounds great, can't pay ya tho	[20:19]
ThickAsThieves	i can make logos, what more do you need	[20:20]
mircea_popescu	so i was just on the phone with this jewish chick i know, and she admitted that in israel the oreos are made out of dead anglosaxon babies.	[20:20]
ThickAsThieves	we can put them on the internet	[20:20]
nubbins`	the back deck needs shovelling	[20:20]
mircea_popescu	seems we;ve been wrong all along	[20:20]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu, same thing in canada	[20:20]
nubbins`	and our cadbury chocolate is made from real jersey cow milk	[20:20]
asciilifeform	the crunchy part is made from angles, the inner cream, distilled from saxons.	[20:20]
ThickAsThieves	i could pay the mexican to shovel it for you	[20:20]
nubbins`	i tell ya, it's the promised land	[20:21]
nubbins`	ThickAsThieves, she already has a job ;(	[20:21]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform hahaha	[20:21]
Dimsler__	well the jew takes advantage of the gentile	[20:21]
ThickAsThieves	jewlitan	[20:21]
Dimsler__	with his shylock	[20:21]
Dimsler__	has been like that for centuries	[20:21]
nubbins`	bitcoin removes the need for usury anyway	[20:21]
Dimsler__	well thats why i'm here	[20:22]
Dimsler__	lol	[20:22]
mircea_popescu	nubbins`> you may need to be sponsored by an employer to get settled, not sure of the ins and outs << drive over, hire a lawyer to start a companby, have the company hire you.	[20:22]
mircea_popescu	problem solved.	[20:22]
nubbins`	oh, i thought you were here to babble nonsense	[20:22]
Dimsler__	you can't breed bitcoins	[20:22]
Dimsler__	like you can with fractional reserve currency	[20:22]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: nod, would probably work	[20:22]
Dimsler__	so you can't lend them for profit	[20:22]
Dimsler__	usury is self eliminating in bitcoin	[20:22]
mircea_popescu	people lend btc for profit all the time what are you talkin'; about.	[20:22]
Dimsler__	you can't breed bitcoin	[20:23]
nubbins`	you can't breed Dimsler__	[20:23]
ThickAsThieves	?	[20:23]
Dimsler__	its not possible to compound interest on bitcoins	[20:23]
punkman1	you can definitely breed dimslers	[20:23]
Dimsler__	or create usury contracts	[20:23]
Dimsler__	they will eventually lead to defaults	[20:23]
Dimsler__	due to bitcoins deflationary nature	[20:23]
ThickAsThieves	Dimsler is more likely to breed than most of us	[20:23]
ThickAsThieves	stats say	[20:23]
nubbins`	hahahah	[20:23]
asciilifeform	on the other hand, if you can afford this maneuver in canada, you can afford it in a real country.	[20:23]
mircea_popescu	^	[20:24]
ThickAsThieves	which is realest?	[20:24]
punkman1	Sealand	[20:24]
Dimsler__	when default occur people will be more cautious about lending	[20:24]
Dimsler__	its plain and simple	[20:24]
nubbins`	one with its own sovereign? ;p	[20:24]
Dimsler__	it just isn't going to happen	[20:24]
Dimsler__	especially not on a massive instrituionalized scale like we have now	[20:24]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` romania is not a bad one, for as long as that lasts.	[20:24]
nubbins`	phun phact, ugly betty is the ruler of our fair land	[20:24]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.08603422 = 0.1721 BTC [-] {2}	[20:24]
Dimsler__	romania has us extradition	[20:24]
Dimsler__	so it already sucks	[20:25]
mircea_popescu	...	[20:25]
mircea_popescu	you kinda need to pick some criteria and stick to them	[20:25]
nubbins`	it's like you're being willfully obtuse	[20:25]
Dimsler__	i told you	[20:25]
Dimsler__	no US extradition or OECD compliance	[20:25]
Dimsler__	only countries worth living in	[20:25]
mircea_popescu	that makes a real country ?	[20:25]
mircea_popescu	so go live in columbia, what.	[20:25]
Dimsler__	that makes a free country	[20:25]
asciilifeform	russia. france.	[20:25]
nubbins`	colombia sucks to live in	[20:25]
mircea_popescu	france is a real country now. god help us.	[20:25]
asciilifeform	by his definition	[20:25]
nubbins`	yeah, russia	[20:26]
nubbins`	there ya go	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	im curious what his polonium defense is for free living in russia.	[20:26]
nubbins`	you'll fit right in	[20:26]
Dimsler__	russia is great to live in	[20:26]
Dimsler__	whats the problem?	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	"sure, makea few billions and start buying english football clubs so maybe the kremlin won't off you"	[20:26]
nubbins`	"russia is great to live in"	[20:26]
Dimsler__	like even your boiler room	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	what's that blondy jounralistn's name again ?	[20:27]
Dimsler__	in romania you could be extradited straight to the US	[20:27]
Dimsler__	by some random entity	[20:27]
Dimsler__	vs in russia	[20:27]
Dimsler__	where nobody gives a fuck	[20:27]
ThickAsThieves	Anne Coulter?	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	wait wait. were we talking about me or about you ?	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	or do you just presume we're interchangeable because irc nicks	[20:27]
nubbins`	ann coulter lel	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	no dude	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	lipishinkaya or something	[20:27]
asciilifeform	politkovskaya	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	Anna Politkovskaya	[20:28]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[20:28]
asciilifeform	plugged for good cause, as far as i can see	[20:28]
Dimsler__	how?	[20:28]
mircea_popescu	good cause or no good cause...	[20:28]
asciilifeform	like that chinese idiot	[20:28]
mircea_popescu	and since we're doing this,	[20:28]
Dimsler__	who cares about a bunch of muslim rats	[20:28]
mircea_popescu	;;google Alexander Litvinenko	[20:28]
gribble	Alexander Litvinenko - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Poisoning of Alexander Litvinenko - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; BBC News - Who was Alexander Litvinenko?:	[20:28]
Dimsler__	they invaded europe	[20:28]
asciilifeform	who wrote about how his country needs 300 years of european colonization to become 'civilized'	[20:28]
Dimsler__	and fucked it up	[20:28]
Dimsler__	the weak nordic and geraminc	[20:28]
Dimsler__	let th emuslim rat in	[20:28]
asciilifeform	(won't hear of this in the anglo media, though)	[20:28]
Dimsler__	and he shit all over the place	[20:29]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform well it;s a fact or do you disagree ?	[20:29]
mircea_popescu	obviously "civilisation" as she means it isn't necessarily a goal	[20:29]
mircea_popescu	but if it were a goal, what else.	[20:29]
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asciilifeform	the fact is, this kind of thing doesn't sit well with any ruler	[20:29]
Dimsler__	western europe	[20:29]
Dimsler__	has weak policies	[20:29]
mircea_popescu	certainly.	[20:29]
asciilifeform	chinese, european, aztec, whoever.	[20:29]
Dimsler__	for humanity	[20:30]
Dimsler__	and strict for economics	[20:30]
ThickAsThieves	how bout switzerland?	[20:30]
Dimsler__	thats why they are turning into socialized slums	[20:30]
mircea_popescu	and it'd be a pretty boneheaded thing to do anyway. russia has had enough cultural revolutionary great leaps forward to last it five centuries.	[20:30]
Dimsler__	swtzerland doesn't hand out citizenship	[20:30]
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Dimsler__	and has ahigh productivity rate	[20:30]
Dimsler__	like you go to germany and like 1/4 is a filthy fucking turk	[20:31]
Dimsler__	like you can't buy a used car without the odometer rolled back	[20:31]
nubbins`	have to admit, i wonder where dimsler is from and what he looks like	[20:31]
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ThickAsThieves	jersey	[20:31]
Dimsler__	eastern european, western educated, lived everywhere	[20:31]
Dimsler__	thats aobut all you need to know	[20:32]
pankkake	like the would not bang guy	[20:32]
nubbins`	we covered all i needed to know already	[20:32]
nubbins`	that was just for curiosity	[20:32]
nubbins`	pankkake, +1 :(	[20:32]
nubbins`	he seems to be a wizard	[20:32]
Dimsler__	fact is, any country with liberal moral values and strict financials where usury is rampant	[20:33]
Dimsler__	is going to suck	[20:33]
Dimsler__	and the people are going to be clueless and retarded	[20:33]
Dimsler__	with a bad case of stockholm syndrome	[20:33]
nubbins`	as opposed to russia where everything is great	[20:34]
nubbins`	and all are smart	[20:34]
Dimsler__	lol russia is not a fucking utopia	[20:34]
nubbins`	wait, i thought it was at the top of your list?	[20:34]
asciilifeform	last i checked, usury is in perfect health in russia.	[20:34]
Dimsler__	did i fucking name a country?	[20:34]
nubbins`	yes	[20:35]
nubbins`	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2014#482517	[20:35]
nubbins`	try to keep up	[20:35]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[20:35]
nubbins`	lel	[20:35]
pLambert	What about Somalia, I thought they were supposed to be Utopia?	[20:35]
nubbins`	you can't even keep track of all the things you're mad at, can you?	[20:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [-]	[20:36]
nubbins`	pLambert: loose financials, conservative values	[20:36]
nubbins`	no extradition to USA	[20:36]
nubbins`	no OECD compliance	[20:36]
nubbins`	by dimmy's criteria, somalia is the promised land	[20:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1212 @ 0.00084009 = 1.0182 BTC [+] {3}	[20:37]
nubbins`	hell, there are hardly even any anglos or jews there!	[20:37]
pLambert	but there might be too many Muslims, I think Dimmy said those are bad too?	[20:37]
nubbins`	hmm yes that is true	[20:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.5100751 = 2.0403 BTC [-] {4}	[20:38]
nubbins`	it's cool tho if you just stay inside	[20:38]
pLambert	How about Antacrtica?	[20:38]
nubbins`	no manufacturing	[20:38]
pLambert	is that a criteria now too?	[20:38]
nubbins`	i think it always was	[20:39]
nubbins`	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2014#482323	[20:39]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[20:39]
pLambert	Just build your own factory?	[20:39]
nubbins`	nah then transport is the problem	[20:39]
nubbins`	too bad you can't make money on the internet	[20:39]
nubbins`	otherwise it'd be perfect	[20:39]
asciilifeform	'in my country there's a problem, and that problem is transport...'	[20:39]
nubbins`	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2014#482333	[20:39]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[20:39]
nubbins`	it's almost like dimmy just runs the mouth without making any lucid points	[20:40]
Dimsler__	lol	[20:40]
Dimsler__	you guys are seirously stupid	[20:40]
nubbins`	if you're smart, i'm ok with being stupid	[20:40]
mircea_popescu	What about Somalia, I thought they were supposed to be Utopia? <<< they used to be but then kako got snowed in.	[20:41]
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asciilifeform	Dimsler__: if you'd like to live in New York circa 1890, you will have to build it. tears have never built anything.	[20:41]
nubbins`	sullen pouty sooky-bum complaining about all he witnesses yet adding nothing of value to anyone or anything	[20:42]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 150 @ 0.00084065 = 0.1261 BTC [+]	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` you clearly don't understand the internet.	[20:42]
nubbins`	clearly	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	everclearly.	[20:42]
nubbins`	"you guys are seirously stupid" should be on the cover of the -assets book	[20:43]
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mircea_popescu	you have no idea what an assets book entails.	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	my logs are > 50mb and i only log when i'm on	[20:44]
nubbins`	do you even read those logs? ;(	[20:45]
nubbins`	choice quotes accompanied by ASCII porn	[20:45]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 300 @ 0.00084066 = 0.2522 BTC [+]	[20:45]
nubbins`	it kind of lost steam around the point that we realized there aren't any ASCII artists in here	[20:45]
asciilifeform	emacs, 'artist mode'	[20:45]
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nubbins`	too large	[20:45]
nubbins`	gotta create by hand	[20:45]
asciilifeform	http://emacs-fu.blogspot.com/2009/01/drawing-pictures.html	[20:45]
ozbot	emacs-fu: drawing pictures	[20:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 400 @ 0.00084075 = 0.3363 BTC [+] {2}	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` i grep tehm	[20:46]
nubbins`	ah, okay	[20:46]
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nubbins`	that might actually work	[20:46]
nubbins`	i can't be fucked to draw 50 ascii porn shots tho	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdca8l9VJe1qdlh1io1_400.gif << this should be on the cover of the assets book	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	representing the noobie de-lurking	[20:47]
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nubbins`	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2014#480603	[20:48]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[20:48]
nubbins`	heh, i like that	[20:49]
KRS-	heh	[20:49]
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nubbins`	could even make it a periodical	[20:49]
punkman1	hah http://krebsonsecurity.com/2014/02/file-your-taxes-before-the-fraudsters-do/	[20:49]
nubbins`	"-assets quarterly"	[20:49]
nubbins`	-AQ for short	[20:49]
nubbins`	-aQ i guess	[20:49]
KRS-One	Improve your I.Q. with aQ.	[20:50]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00084077 = 0.1682 BTC [+]	[20:50]
mircea_popescu	more iq with the aq	[20:50]
mircea_popescu	According to a 2013 report from the Treasury Inspector General’s office, the U.S. Internal Revenue Service (IRS) issued nearly $4 billion in bogus tax refunds in 2012. The money largely was sent to people who stole Social Security numbers and other information on U.S. citizens, and then filed fraudulent tax returns on those individuals claiming a large refund but at a different address.	[20:50]
mircea_popescu	dude the fiat system works so well, i have no idea why all these people talk about bitcoin threats and whatnot	[20:51]
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nubbins`	hmm	[20:57]
nubbins`	fuck this, i've got work to do!	[20:57]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.ohmagif.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/please-wait-i-need-to-play-in-the-puddle.gif	[21:03]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04777776 = 0.2389 BTC [-]	[21:06]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 7 @ 0.08811427 = 0.6168 BTC [+] {5}	[21:17]
pankkake	"difficulty" : 62719.43923596	[21:20]
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ThickAsThieves	thats Altcoin?	[21:34]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 250 @ 0.000825 = 0.2063 BTC [-] {3}	[21:36]
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BingoBoingo	ThickAsThieves: I've got my Altcoin shill piece in http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/02/04/memes-go-meta-altcoin-unveiled-this-past-weekend/	[21:41]
davout	hello	[21:44]
davout	you want moar?	[21:45]
BingoBoingo	jurov: Twas gratis	[21:45]
davout	yep	[21:46]
davout	yes, it works but it isn't automated	[21:49]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.09979999 = 0.1996 BTC [-] {2}	[22:03]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [-]	[22:03]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell herbijudlestoids re the "greater point", http://trilema.com/2013/digging-through-archives-yields-gold/	[22:05]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[22:05]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo "other, less meta altcoins" you mean "other, less alt metacoins" or "same, less coin metaalts" ?	[22:07]
mircea_popescu	because it could be taken in any number of ways	[22:07]
BingoBoingo	Because meta	[22:07]
BingoBoingo	Reader has to decide	[22:07]
BingoBoingo	Shit happen when I write sober	[22:08]
Asa9	lol	[22:08]
mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMK7zUEeNGI	[22:10]
ozbot	Seinfeld: Conrad, Connie or Con - YouTube	[22:10]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 800 @ 0.00301897 = 2.4152 BTC [-] {5}	[22:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00532245 = 0.5322 BTC [-] {7}	[22:10]
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mircea_popescu	wow that point re metaphysics is actually incredibly strong	[22:11]
mircea_popescu	it just gave me one of those inception moments.	[22:11]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo what schooling did you do ?	[22:11]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Four years of kinds mushed together aimless undergrad mixing drinking, philosophy, economics and math, then two years of philosophy grad school I quit, the two years of Library graduate school with an absofuckinglutely worthless degree, followed by discovering Oh, that bitcoin stuff is money.	[22:13]
mircea_popescu	where ?	[22:14]
BingoBoingo	Undergrad was indescriminate budget small liberal arts college (Socially Liberal Methodist variety). Philosophy was at Southern Illinois University Carbondale.	[22:15]
mircea_popescu	so i gather you're the poster child of the confused generation.	[22:15]
BingoBoingo	Definitely.	[22:15]
mircea_popescu	!b 2	[22:16]
assbot	Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1587365/plain/)	[22:16]
mircea_popescu	no, seriously...	[22:16]
mircea_popescu	#bitcoin cures, ladies and gents	[22:16]
deadweasel	amen	[22:16]
mircea_popescu	touch the screen now. heal! HEAL!	[22:16]
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mircea_popescu	i think we packed enough meta in there to mine at least a dozen blocks.	[22:16]
ThickAsThieves	did somebody say metaphysics?	[22:17]
ThickAsThieves	BingoBoingo, thanks for the article!	[22:17]
BingoBoingo	ThickAsThieves: You are very welcome.	[22:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51997563 BTC [+]	[22:17]
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BingoBoingo	That one hasn't made it to Slashdot though. Maybe if someone else with a Slashot account submits it there around 07:00 UTC and then post the link to the submission here Altcoin can make Slashdot.	[22:19]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Bitcoin indeed cures.	[22:19]
BingoBoingo	Speaking of Physics, Platos cave, old meme. Descartes Meditations Meme. Maimonides God can only be defined in the negative, meme. Aristotle's powerpoint on the word "is" though still generates papers.	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	;;google trilema	[22:22]
gribble	Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Trilemma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Münchhausen trilemma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	that sweet day when a misspelling takes over a) the correct spelling ; b) wikipedia	[22:22]
asciilifeform	i thought the single 'm' was the Ro. spelling.	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	it is.	[22:23]
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mircea_popescu	i think in googleterms "misspelling" is actually less of a stretch than "obscure language word"	[22:24]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.51997563 = 1.04 BTC [+]	[22:24]
BingoBoingo	In Google Terms loosing Hearn was a tragedy.	[22:25]
BingoBoingo	Hearn was perfect for Google	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	did he actually do anything while there ?	[22:26]
mircea_popescu	the narrative i heard is more along the lines of "oh, yet another one of the schmucks that spend some time here doing nothing to be able to put google on their cv"	[22:26]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Dunno if he did. Just seems the way he is wanting to ruin BTC fall inline with the ways Google wants to ruin TCP	[22:27]
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mircea_popescu	i doubt google wants anything anymore per se	[22:27]
mircea_popescu	other than FOOOOODDDD	[22:27]
BingoBoingo	Lol	[22:27]
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BingoBoingo	Looks like I missed Dimsler__ but it seems I can recognize his ideal state: West Virginia.	[22:28]
pankkake	you mean brainssss?	[22:28]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: colleague of mine just moved there. now he's getting 100K/sec.	[22:30]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Well they also lack suburbs, have manufactering (of prisons), aren't really inside the US (Sentences to the prisons there are practically exile), and the people are awfully friendly if you don't try to get into any of their rackets.	[22:31]
mircea_popescu	pankkake after they get big enough and public enough, no force in the world can keep a corporation alligned to its long term interest.	[22:34]
mircea_popescu	this i suspect is the eventual fate of mpoe too	[22:34]
mircea_popescu	all that remains is a dull ache for more revenue	[22:34]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: So roughly 5 years after you cede the controlling interest, MPOE seats go down to tens of Satoshis?	[22:36]
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Duffer1	mpoe bot will be self aware, buy it's freedom	[22:37]
BingoBoingo	Duffer1: Maybe it tried that yesterday...	[22:38]
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pankkake	it won't be satoshis, it will be doges	[22:38]
asciilifeform	slavecoins.	[22:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 183 @ 0.00084077 = 0.1539 BTC [+]	[22:39]
BingoBoingo	pankkake: No one will remember Doge then. It will be HerpBuxx. Named after teen singer Derp Heiperp	[22:39]
pankkake	I came up with a new altcoin idea. FuckCoin. so you can give a FUCK	[22:40]
pankkake	btw: http://bitbet.us/bet/733/doge-still-woofing-on-april-fools-day/	[22:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.102245 = 0.2045 BTC [+] {2}	[22:42]
BingoBoingo	I have a cold storage address that starts as 1fuck (all lowercase) and lacking firstbits rights. Barely anything there. Doubt I'll awaken it until Million Dollar BTC (Much happier last chapter to that film than Million Dollar Baby).	[22:42]
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mircea_popescu	pankkake: No one will remember Doge then. It will be HerpBuxx. Named after teen singer Derp Heiperp <<	[22:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2166 @ 0.00011653 = 0.2524 BTC [-] {8}	[22:44]
pankkake	http://i.imgur.com/9adVwOX.jpg	[22:44]
BingoBoingo	I mean there isn't an AllYourBaseCoin or a BoxxyCoin, the reason is that time is unkind to memes	[22:44]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1 = 0.3 BTC [-] {2}	[22:45]
Duffer1	still no substitute for audrey :(	[22:46]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.04520001 = 0.1808 BTC [-]	[22:46]
BingoBoingo	pankkake: With maybe exception for Marie and Indira most on that list can get the ???	[22:46]
BingoBoingo	I mean Di barely made it into the 90's	[22:46]
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BingoBoingo	Since I'm not all that anon anyways (Thank you metaNSA) I'll throw out the undergrad school http://www.mckendree.edu/	[22:47]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 183 @ 0.0008408 = 0.1539 BTC [+]	[22:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1353 @ 0.00301 = 4.0725 BTC [-]	[22:48]
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pankkake	at least the whites are at the top	[22:49]
dub	I think pankkake is on to something	[22:50]
dub	we beed a way to account for fucks given	[22:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.000841 = 0.1682 BTC [+]	[22:50]
dub	a fuckchain secured by proof of fuck is appropriate	[22:50]
BingoBoingo	dub: Fetus sealed in lucite as proof of work?	[22:51]
ThickAsThieves	rumplestiltscoin	[22:52]
pankkake	at least "orphaned block" will mean something	[22:52]
BingoBoingo	LOL	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	aha	[22:53]
mircea_popescu	+j	[22:53]
mircea_popescu	jesus	[22:53]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 600 @ 0.00084188 = 0.5051 BTC [+]	[22:53]
mircea_popescu	http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mehas5sRji1raprkq.gif	[22:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 125 @ 0.00084199 = 0.1052 BTC [+]	[22:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 375 @ 0.00084199 = 0.3157 BTC [+]	[22:56]
pankkake	http://totoz.eu/img/shiba_coincoin	[22:56]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 66 @ 0.00529952 = 0.3498 BTC [-] {5}	[22:58]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1969 @ 0.00301 = 5.9267 BTC [-]	[23:03]
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ThickAsThieves	"Hrm... what will we call fractions of an ATC? How about "altoshi"?"	[23:10]
ThickAsThieves	"Altoids."	[23:10]
ThickAsThieves	"Paradimes?"	[23:10]
BingoBoingo	ThickAsThieves: Xenos	[23:10]
ThickAsThieves	if i could, i'd change the source to not have decimals	[23:10]
ThickAsThieves	useless	[23:10]
benkay	altoids lol	[23:11]
ThickAsThieves	maybe thatll be the next coin	[23:11]
ThickAsThieves	Paradime	[23:11]
ThickAsThieves	no decimals	[23:11]
ThickAsThieves	"the only alternative to Altcoin"	[23:12]
mircea_popescu	altoids lol	[23:12]
mircea_popescu	code has no decimals as it is.	[23:13]
ThickAsThieves	really?	[23:13]
ThickAsThieves	so bitcoin didnt have it when it started?	[23:13]
FabianB	satoshi	[23:14]
FabianB	calculating money should never be done with decimals	[23:14]
ThickAsThieves	who the hell put it in there?	[23:14]
BingoBoingo	ThickAsThieves: BTC values are all ints where 1 satoshi == 1	[23:14]
pankkake	decimals are fine, floats are not :)	[23:14]
deadweasel	metas?	[23:15]
FabianB	yeah	[23:15]
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ThickAsThieves	people are nuts if they think people will start talking in ubtc and mbtc and shit	[23:15]
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pankkake	the French eventually switched to New Francs	[23:16]
pankkake	of course, it was in the other direction	[23:16]
BingoBoingo	This shit should be like BTC 101, All BTC values are ints built from 1 satoshi == 1. How to configure a miner shouldn't even exist until BTC 320.	[23:16]
ThickAsThieves	so why is it called bitcoin	[23:17]
ThickAsThieves	and not Satoshi	[23:17]
Namworld	Would anyone be interested in loaning me 290 BTC @ 10% per year, with collateral?	[23:17]
ThickAsThieves	doesnt that kinda request come with more info usually?	[23:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0998 = 0.1996 BTC [-]	[23:18]
BingoBoingo	Namworld: Sure. Application consists of a video of you self performing a lung lobectomy and videotaping it. Poor form when applying sutures is grounds for denial.	[23:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.104 BTC [+]	[23:19]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [-]	[23:21]
Namworld	I'll self-perform a lung lobectomy on YOU and videotape it. (You didn't say on "you performing on yourself" but "you self perform", which means I only have to perform it myself, not on myself)	[23:22]
BingoBoingo	Namworld: And we get back to meta. Isn't Altcoin awesome?	[23:23]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.10449 BTC [+]	[23:23]
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asciilifeform	sepukkucoin.	[23:24]
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davout	!ticker m ^oix	[23:24]
assbot	[MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 122.22370491 / 105.56529382 / 105.38554991 (1211 shares, 27.25 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)	[23:24]
davout	mircea_popescu: shouldn't the oix displayed be divided by the lot size?	[23:25]
davout	for clarity	[23:25]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.10449 BTC [+]	[23:25]
FabianB	looks like stable price period will continue	[23:26]
Namworld	Well loaning BTC has definitly gotten impossible.	[23:26]
BingoBoingo	I wonder what GangnamCoin would be trading at today if it was released last year?	[23:26]
ThickAsThieves	that oix doesnt seem right	[23:27]
ThickAsThieves	wheres all the volume from yesterday	[23:27]
davout	it takes only sales into account	[23:27]
ThickAsThieves	doe sthat make sense?	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	davout i guess it should, but this clarity thing...	[23:27]
davout	the bot bought the puts yesterday	[23:27]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.10449 BTC [+]	[23:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.51997563 = 2.0799 BTC [+]	[23:28]
Namworld	Please inquire, assuming anyone has the capital at all.	[23:29]
davout	lol	[23:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1045 BTC [+]	[23:32]
davout	ThickAsThieves: i guess taking into account purchases by the market maker bot mixes the bot's opinion into the OIX, which doesn't seem to be desired	[23:33]
ThickAsThieves	i dunno about that	[23:34]
BingoBoingo	https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/431178977219072001	[23:34]
ozbot	Twitter / BBoingo: @etploshay @CathyReisenwitz ...	[23:34]
ThickAsThieves	it was the seller that desired to sell	[23:34]
ThickAsThieves	at whatever price	[23:34]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00093513 = 11.6424 BTC [+] {2}	[23:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1095 BTC [+]	[23:36]
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ThickAsThieves	https://twitter.com/search?q=%23whoisneo&src=hash	[23:38]
ozbot	Twitter / Search - #whoisneo	[23:38]
lippoper	yes! ozbot!	[23:39]
lippoper	.bait me	[23:39]
ozbot	http://24.media.tumblr.com/45db538e1e1c5c54e0a1037421ce444d/tumblr_mfy6lp4qgz1rhwvw0o1_500.jpg	[23:39]
mircea_popescu	http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mecrrr8ViX1raprkq.gif	[23:42]
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davout	the jimmothy thread converted to .gif ?	[23:45]
mircea_popescu	lol	[23:46]
mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/HzrEB.gif	[23:46]
mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/7xpOF.gif << and this'd be everyone ELSE in that thread.	[23:47]
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davout	you're making me want to watch videos of these crazy japanese dudes doing irl video fx	[23:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0452 = 0.2712 BTC [-] {2}	[23:50]
davout	fuck, this makes zero sense	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/4pGbC.jpg	[23:50]
davout	yeah, pretty much	[23:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [-]	[23:51]
jurov	http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/nbc-all-visitors-sochi-olympics-immediately-hacked_778718.html heh	[23:55]
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ozbot	NBC: All Visitors to Sochi Olympics Immediately Hacked \| The Weekly Standard	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	jurov did you see the one with the pillows ?	[23:55]
jurov	which? hotel pillows?	[23:55]
jurov	perhaps not	[23:55]
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davout	jurov: sounds like a headline the onion would make	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	;;google sochi out of pillows athletes	[23:56]
gribble	Sochi Is Running Out of Pillows - Vocativ: ; Sochi venues turning into Olympic-style nightmares « Hot Air: ; From Sochi, journalists report Winter Olympics woes: poor conditions:	[23:56]
jurov	ah that	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	"They test the system in the report -- and are, as one might expect, immediately hacked the moment the test computer connects with the Russian network."	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	herpderp russian guys are bad says nsa	[23:57]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00011311 = 0.1131 BTC [-] {4}	[23:57]
deadweasel	""	[23:58]
deadweasel	oops, "nine media hotels"	[23:58]
deadweasel	how fucking useless	[23:58]
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deadweasel	send one media team, them be hacked for free streaming olympics!	[23:59]

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