Forum logs for 04 Feb 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9150 @ 0.00093708 = 8.5743 BTC [+] {3} [00:05]
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deadweasel nice ice, kakobrekla, still powered up ic? [01:07]
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kakobrekla yes, not at home [01:13]
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herbijudlestoids well...i guess my data feed will be ruined :( [01:17]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02969 = 0.1485 BTC [+] [01:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.139 = 0.278 BTC [+] [01:20]
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herbijudlestoids hmmm maybe not...seems ok [01:25]
deadweasel glad to hear it, kako [01:31]
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herbijudlestoids,Vn4Ztuh,kQPpSIQ vols, ret dist and volume [01:40]
herbijudlestoids (for MPOE) [01:41]
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ThickAsThieves should anyone be interested, me ranting on Colored Coins (again) [01:55]
kakobrekla 'fuck fuck shit fuck' would have same effect [01:55]
nubbins` hahaha [01:57]
nubbins` good read, but this ^^ [01:57]
nubbins` advice isn't given, it's taken [01:58]
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ThickAsThieves you never know what lemming the lemmings choose to follow next! [01:58]
kakobrekla hows altcoins doing [01:58]
kakobrekla are we rich yet? [01:58]
nubbins` so i'm wondering if there's a reasonable method by which i could use my stock warrant as the basis for selling options [01:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC [01:59]
nubbins` seems to me like without some sort of pre-existing framework in which to do so (and afaik there is none), there's too much trust involved for it to work [01:59]
kakobrekla is there a market for it? [01:59]
nubbins` well, is pretty low volume [02:00]
nubbins` but i think in 6-12 months or so, you'll see it priced 3-4x current [02:00]
ThickAsThieves nubbins wants btct style options on mpex [02:01]
ThickAsThieves optionize all the things! [02:01]
nubbins` i don't think there's a market for it today, anyway [02:01]
kakobrekla buy shares then [02:01]
nubbins` thing all the things! [02:01]
ThickAsThieves :) [02:01]
nubbins` what makes you think i don't have any :D [02:02]
ThickAsThieves Altcoin is still waiting for its source code, though I'm wondering if we need to wait and can't just do it ourselves from the genesis block [02:02]
kakobrekla *moar [02:02]
nubbins` heh [02:02]
ThickAsThieves pankakke can you save Altcoin? [02:03]
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ThickAsThieves also, did benkay ever sort an estimate for [02:07]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.131 = 0.262 BTC [-] [02:11]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC [02:12]
benkay a few months is the answer [02:13]
benkay for some of the parts [02:13]
benkay mp wants the moon, unsurprisingly. [02:13]
kakobrekla what is altgen io [02:14]
ThickAsThieves i see [02:14]
ThickAsThieves its properly [02:14]
benkay the altcoin generation bit is pretty easily did and the exchange its own bundle o' giggles but there are performance considerations around running an arbitrary number of wallet watchers [02:15]
ThickAsThieves so it needs more people [02:15]
benkay ha [02:16]
benkay ever heard of the Mythical Man Month? [02:17]
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benkay anyways [02:17]
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nubbins` "surely if we divide this pizza into a thousand equal slices and gather a thousand men, it will be consumed quicker" [02:18]
kakobrekla so, bit4x just made a switch from dBTC to mBTC, which is 1:10 going to 1:1000, but i only feel 10 times richer [02:19]
benkay i can definitely arrange for btc to get burned. i don't think that's a sensible business plan, though. [02:19]
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ThickAsThieves appreciated [02:19]
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* Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: || - most days worth reading || - all days worth reading [02:20]
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dub [02:20]
mircea_popescu ?ref=rightarrow ? srsly ? [02:21]
dub srsly [02:21]
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kakobrekla myea, correctarrow would be more appropriate [02:22]
mircea_popescu o look who's here [02:22]
kakobrekla for the time being [02:22]
mircea_popescu dude i looked at footage, what the fuck, there's been no snow. you got a little freezing rain. [02:23]
mircea_popescu you know that's boston EVERY WINTER [02:23]
kakobrekla nah, pics dont do it justice [02:23]
mircea_popescu slovenia scam emergency [02:23]
kakobrekla srsly, its tits up [02:23]
mircea_popescu srsly ? [02:23]
kakobrekla up to few cm of ice on _everything_ [02:23]
mircea_popescu maybe that's just its natural position... [02:23]
mircea_popescu soooo ? [02:23]
kakobrekla like sight unseen [02:23]
kakobrekla it fucked all the trees [02:24]
mircea_popescu sight unseen maybe, but srsly, freezing rain is no emergency. [02:24]
kakobrekla all the power lines [02:24]
mircea_popescu well... they're trees. what are they there for. [02:24]
nubbins` after it gets to a certain thickness, it's an emergency [02:24]
nubbins` ice is HEAVY [02:24]
kakobrekla my house will be out of power for a week probably [02:24]
kakobrekla same for running water [02:24]
mircea_popescu if water stopped running btw, [02:24]
ThickAsThieves will it still have a rough? [02:24]
mircea_popescu expect 2-3 weeks till they fix all the pipes [02:24]
ThickAsThieves roof [02:24]
ThickAsThieves lol [02:24]
ThickAsThieves canine slip [02:24]
mircea_popescu that'd have been "a woof" [02:25]
mircea_popescu what you said is bdsmslip [02:25]
ThickAsThieves lol [02:25]
mircea_popescu meanwhile at bar, [02:25]
ThickAsThieves lol, girls get so mad at girls [02:26]
mircea_popescu mhm. [02:26]
nubbins` meanwhile at heavily airbrushed face [02:26]
deadweasel look at her face! she's like "whut a slanka!" [02:26]
mircea_popescu "how dares she be sexually adventurous to a greater degree than me!!11" [02:26]
deadweasel who are these naked women in your bars? [02:27]
deadweasel why do I not have this bar? [02:27]
mircea_popescu nubbins` don't hate, some people have the misfortune of falling on a running millstone [02:27]
mircea_popescu deadweasel they're more like girls than women, really. [02:27]
nubbins` well ya know. maybe that look is pity rather than contempt, then [02:27]
nubbins` "poor mash-face has to get naked to be noticed" [02:27]
mircea_popescu take this one. nulliparous. [02:27]
kakobrekla [02:28]
kakobrekla [02:28]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla did the ice also cover all your vowels ? [02:28]
mircea_popescu or was the language like that to begin with. [02:28]
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kakobrekla is like that in all weather [02:29]
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deadweasel mircea_popescu: point taken, srs tho are you giving out btc for clothing? [02:29]
mircea_popescu wow pole actually fell over iceweight huh [02:29]
kakobrekla [02:30]
mircea_popescu deadweasel moar like bitcents. [02:30]
kakobrekla not 1, like 100 [02:30]
mircea_popescu which i suppose is technically btc too... [02:30]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla so that's what, like 80-85% ? [02:30]
deadweasel it's good to be the king [02:30]
deadweasel i still make them get naked with nice cheap words. [02:30]
deadweasel less successfully tho, mind you [02:30]
kakobrekla less [02:31]
kakobrekla i dunno [02:31]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla anyway, great you're ok. [02:31]
kakobrekla theres about 1000 transformers damaged [02:31]
deadweasel holy shit, that's going to be a while... [02:32]
dub fucken global warming [02:32]
nubbins` dub, the climate isn't changing [02:32]
mircea_popescu yeah they got troubles. i was just making light of it because i'm an asshole in a tropical climate 70 miles away. [02:32]
nubbins` it's a lefty conspiracy [02:32]
mircea_popescu meanwhile back at finance ranch, [02:32]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG.F] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [+] [02:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 3 @ 0.03400075 = 0.102 BTC [-] {2} [02:33]
kakobrekla its gonna take a year+ to fix all damage [02:33]
kakobrekla and years to clean up the forrests [02:33]
mircea_popescu nubbins` dun be telling dub it's a lefty conspiracy, he's been sayin' it since b4 you were boarn, son. [02:33]
nubbins` loony lefties [02:33]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla the snowdrops came out all over here. [02:34]
kakobrekla :) [02:34]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC [02:36]
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dub having not followed cardano at all, any utility in it shipping with 'hardware' encrypted disk as a value add? [02:37]
asciilifeform dub: elaborate [02:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.0009347 = 18.8809 BTC [+] [02:37]
dub bolt on some flash that can't be casually read without having whatever other requisite peice [02:39]
dub mp is a big fan of fde [02:39]
asciilifeform dub: if you recall, cardano presents as a disk. anything written to said disk is encrypted [02:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40023 @ 0.00092945 = 37.1994 BTC [-] {4} [02:39]
dub oh good [02:39]
asciilifeform (pulling the flash card gets you nothing) [02:40]
mircea_popescu well... in fact it DOES get you high quality entropy. [02:40]
mircea_popescu not as high as using the thing as intended, but still. [02:41]
asciilifeform i sorta wonder if anybody bothered to read the original spec [02:41]
* dub didnt [02:41]
asciilifeform what do people think cardano is. an electric saw? [02:42]
dub hardware rng [02:42]
asciilifeform rng is simply a part therein [02:42]
asciilifeform (two of them, to be exact) [02:42]
deadweasel can my electric saw have one of those neked bar girls attached? [02:43]
Mats_cd03 ozbot is dead, long live ozbot [02:43]
asciilifeform if we only wanted to ship rng, we could've done so in november. to all of six customers, or somesuch. [02:43]
deadweasel .bait [02:43]
ThickAsThieves "Since it's a SHA-256 coin, this is an interesting one to follow because the same equipment can mine it." I love the folds of irony Altcoin brings [02:44]
dub was just an idle thought 'hey since I'm lugging it around anyway, 64g of storage with better-than-a-truecrypt-volume security might be nice' [02:45]
herbijudlestoids approx how many MPOE shares on issue mircea_popescu? [02:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 900.45241962 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 180 satoshi per share [02:46]
asciilifeform dub: 'Mark I' Cardano is USB 1.1. if you're ok with ~200kB/sec on your flash drive, you can use it as such. [02:46]
dub ack, no thanks [02:46]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids no approx. 1 bn. it's in the contract. [02:46]
asciilifeform 'good/cheap/quick pick two' [02:46]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.131001 = 0.262 BTC [+] [02:47]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform there's possibly more rng customers than gpg customers imo [02:47]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves thick, lucscious, shimmering pink folds of goodness. [02:47]
asciilifeform funny that nobody is quick to help them. [02:47]
dub we're mostly only just learning how broken existing offers are tho rite? [02:48]
mircea_popescu two clowns in a restaurant [02:48]
mircea_popescu "does this taste funny to you ?" [02:48]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC [02:49]
mircea_popescu dub notrly, we're mostly just reading the guardian about how fucking exciting it is to be like at the guardian. also diets. [02:49]
dub the royal unwasher we're [02:49]
dub unwashed [02:49]
nubbins` guy walks into a bar and orders a glass of brake fluid. "brake fluid?", the barkeep asks. [02:49]
nubbins` "yeah, i'm addicted," the guy says, "but i can stop whenever i want" [02:49]
asciilifeform dub: there's maybe a dozen outfits selling dedicated rngs, of various cost and quality. [02:49]
Mats_cd03 i have a brilliant idea for a bitcoin venture [02:49]
Mats_cd03 and i'm giving it away for free [02:50]
dub ya - 8 Ways Your Sphincter Will Tighten When You Read This Amazing Conspirace [02:50]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: so is my calculation as the P/E of MPOE to be ~55 correct? [02:50]
Mats_cd03 read: bitcoin tontines [02:50]
ThickAsThieves anyone following the Open Transactions guy? [02:50]
mircea_popescu lol "royal unwasher", i chuckled. [02:50]
ThickAsThieves [02:50]
nubbins` Mats_cd03: funny thing about ideas... [02:50]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids sounds about right. [02:50]
ThickAsThieves i like how he's not smooth at all [02:50]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves very... zoomedoutedly so to speak. [02:50]
deadweasel Mats_cd03: just's watched the simpsons tontine episode? [02:51]
Mats_cd03 deadweasel: no i was thinking about the double deuces episode in archer just now [02:51]
Mats_cd03 but it looks like nubbins` is rite and i'm unoriginal [02:51]
dub they made more archer? rad [02:51]
deadweasel ah yes, forgot taht one.. those two episode made me laugh harder than I have in months [02:51]
Mats_cd03 kill self [02:52]
deadweasel starts to fade at the third [02:52]
ThickAsThieves "i'm gonna make servers that you dont have to trust" [02:52]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: and the div yield ~2.5%? [02:52]
Mats_cd03 dub: there is also more archer... 3 eps out i belieb [02:52]
deadweasel tongiht is a new one! [02:52]
mircea_popescu [02:52]
Mats_cd03 i wish i had friends that would put in for a tontine [02:52]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids something like that. depends on how exactly you calculate the reference price. [02:53]
nubbins` what was it, the flying hellfish or something? [02:53]
deadweasel how do you reveal your private key to the right person when you die? holy shit, we need bitcoin TRUST FUNDS... [02:53]
herbijudlestoids so based on those numbers i calculate the "market implied annual EPS growth rate" to be 86% [02:53]
herbijudlestoids (approx) [02:54]
asciilifeform one could conceivably implement it as a 'dead man's switch' [02:54]
Mats_cd03 i imagine it would be in escrow [02:54]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids mind that you are calculating something over a very fastly changing curve. [02:54]
deadweasel ah yes, if you don't reply to the email after a month, it's sent out [02:54]
mircea_popescu something akin to "the average value of sin(x)" [02:54]
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asciilifeform every year the participants put out crypto-signed whatever, if one doesn't, his share goes in the pot [02:54]
dub hardware dead man switch [02:54]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform once the space stabilizes some i expect tontines will actually work great. [02:54]
mircea_popescu very easy to run them transparently. [02:54]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: which curve is fastly changing? the earnings? [02:55]
Mats_cd03 that sounds like good fun, although i'd be worried about getting killed if this wasn't pseudonymous [02:55]
dub no heartbeat for 8 hours, upload key [02:55]
Mats_cd03 but i suppose thats 99% of the fun amirite [02:55]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids many things. in jan last, there were ~7mn btc. now there's 12mn. [02:55]
asciilifeform a 'kinder, gentler' tontine, where you don't have to plug your rivals, just help them forget to check their mail [02:55]
mircea_popescu think... m3 changed by... 60% ? wow. [02:55]
mircea_popescu then there were like 3 major craters or so. [02:56]
mircea_popescu after pirate we had a 4 month freezeout which was the worst i ever saw, almost killed the s.dice ipo [02:56]
mircea_popescu it.was.bad. [02:56]
herbijudlestoids so how does that affect my calculation? [02:56]
mircea_popescu i don't think any current sovereign could survive such depression at all. [02:56]
mircea_popescu well... your calculation sits atop and intends to represent an economic reality. which is very fast chaning. [02:57]
herbijudlestoids basically all im saying is that if EPS is expected to grow ~86%p.a. then MPOE is a fair value investment, if less then its overvalued, if more then undervalued [02:57]
mircea_popescu "sin(x) is expected to be 0" [02:57]
mircea_popescu sure. [02:57]
asciilifeform well, to be fair, if the participants paid for food/housing with btc, there might've been an actual body count rather than simple whining [02:57]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform indeed. [02:57]
ThickAsThieves at 10:44, lols [02:57]
nubbins` asciilifeform: there's always this year :D [02:58]
mircea_popescu yet again one of our major strengths turns out to have been what clueless noobs imagined is a weakness. [02:58]
nubbins` what i want to see is a major utility announce that they ONLY accept btc. [02:58]
mircea_popescu if btc had actual economic adherence in 2012-2013 we'd have been fucked with a capital CK [02:58]
nubbins` if it had adherence, maybe those events wouldn't have happened [02:58]
nubbins` did you even WATCH back to the future? ;( [02:59]
mircea_popescu nubbins` it's a flattering point, but i very much doubt it. [02:59]
mircea_popescu who knwos tho. alternative pasts. [02:59]
Mats_cd03 utilities being for rich entities seeking modest, secure returns, i dont see that happening [02:59]
asciilifeform at some point we'll see the destitute and desperate sell their organs for a btc or two, to pay their meters. but not soon. [02:59]
nubbins` i never really viewed the wet parts trade as a thing where sellers sought buyers. [03:00]
nubbins` what do you do, hang around a hospital? [03:00]
mircea_popescu doh ?! [03:00]
mircea_popescu what do you think the chinese do / [03:00]
mircea_popescu they send recruiting teams in the poor farmland, give kids laptops take their kidneys. [03:01]
mircea_popescu it's grotesque. [03:01]
nubbins` well exactly [03:01]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the chinese famously hang around the town scaffold [03:01]
nubbins` buyers lead the trade [03:01]
mircea_popescu o i see what you meant. [03:01]
dub I thought they just pick a religion and use its practitioners [03:01]
mircea_popescu dub yeah but they ran out of religions meanwhile. [03:01]
dub witness falung gong [03:01]
nubbins` "who will buy my kidney" will attract nobody, because who wants the kidney of someone destitute enough to want to sell theirs? [03:01]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform they're selling about 100k parts a year by the latest numbers i saw. [03:01]
mircea_popescu they're not executing 1k people a year [03:02]
ThickAsThieves what i want to see is a major utility announce that they ONLY accept btc. <<<< i might add "design a 100% Pure Bitcoin seal design" to my todo list [03:02]
asciilifeform by one account, ~20k/yr [03:02]
ThickAsThieves need to promote the concept [03:02]
nubbins` design a design and thing all the things [03:02]
dub nubbins`: theres a market, supply/demand and all that jazz [03:02]
ThickAsThieves you know me! [03:02]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah well that's where things get debated. [03:02]
nubbins` dub: sure, but the person who wants the kidney goes out and finds one they like. [03:02]
dub no [03:02]
nubbins` they don't wait for some asshole to come to them [03:02]
asciilifeform odd that there is dispute. chinese executions are quite the opposite of secret. [03:02]
asciilifeform but perhaps nobody bothers to count [03:03]
nubbins` ^ [03:03]
Mats_cd03 100k is incredibly low for 1.3bln [03:03]
dub harvesting facilities are in the jails ffs [03:03]
nubbins` sure, but again, that's not sellers seeking buyers [03:03]
nubbins` it's the opposite [03:03]
nubbins` buyers saying "you. right there." [03:03]
dub they have cought murican cosmetics companies red handed buying chinese skin derivatives [03:03]
Mats_cd03 define skin derivatives [03:04]
nubbins` collagen sausage casings [03:04]
dub colagen [03:04]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the official figure is about 1k ims. [03:04]
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Mats_cd03 does anyone else hate the tv show suits [03:05]
Mats_cd03 ...cause i do [03:06]
dub never heard of it [03:06]
nubbins` what's a tv show [03:06]
ThickAsThieves Mats_cd03 is a lawyer? [03:06]
mircea_popescu we're watching tv now ? [03:07]
mircea_popescu what is this, the 60s ? [03:07]
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kakobrekla nope, its the 80s, irc time [03:07]
nubbins` [03:08]
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mircea_popescu if this is the 80s why do i have a beard. [03:08]
nubbins` imagine taking a 10" tablet and charging it by balancing it vertically on a male micro-usb jack [03:08]
nubbins` ;( [03:08]
nubbins` mircea_popescu: because growing a mustache from scratch makes you look unkempt? :D [03:09]
Vexual [03:09]
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mircea_popescu nubbins` that is exactly the sort of idiocy. it has all the markings. [03:09]
mircea_popescu buncha press logos ? as if anyone gives a shit. [03:10]
nubbins` right [03:10]
mircea_popescu this is billy mays 2015 edition. [03:10]
nubbins` "are you tired of not snapping off connectors inside your expensive electronics?" [03:10]
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KRS- I am going Foo Manchu this month [03:11]
asciilifeform this is one of those cases where the lusers will be better off if the vendor takes the money and runs [03:11]
nubbins` i want to see five of these things plugged into each other [03:11]
mircea_popescu [03:11]
mircea_popescu at least the guy had a personality. [03:11]
nubbins` with five ipads smashed on the floor [03:11]
nubbins` "convenient!" [03:11]
nubbins` "break all your things at once!" [03:11]
KRS- [03:11]
mircea_popescu that thing is actually useful. [03:12]
dub there is a retard (ipad) sized 10 key calculator in this room [03:12]
mircea_popescu you can make ~ 7lbs of crushed ice / hour with it. [03:12]
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dub I've been hilariously quipping that its more useful than the apple product to all the apple fanboys here [03:12]
mircea_popescu lol [03:12]
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kakobrekla do they still sell quick chop? [03:13]
asciilifeform everybody hates apple but nobody lifts a finger to birth a half-decent unix laptop [03:13]
nubbins` speaking of mustaches [03:13]
nubbins` here's one of my better ones: [03:13]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform ubuntu could have done it [03:14]
mircea_popescu but instead they decided to go all doge [03:14]
Mats_cd03 asciilifeform: thats because its literally impossible to satisfy nix geeks [03:14]
nubbins` [03:14]
asciilifeform Mats_cd03: all you need is a machine with documented, well-behaved (at least to the desktop standard) components. [03:14]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform so that means no gnome no kde right ? [03:15]
dub die antword wannabe [03:15]
asciilifeform or, failing that, an os by the same people who bake the hw [03:15]
asciilifeform a la Sun Tadpole laptop [03:15]
nubbins` dub, this was halloween 2012 [03:15]
nubbins` only ONE stranger recognized my wife and i [03:15]
nubbins` wanted his picture taken ;( [03:15]
asciilifeform someone still uses gnome or kde? [03:16]
dub pic of her as yolandi plox [03:16]
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decimation ascii what about novena? [03:16]
dub points if you wore the dark side of teh moon boxer shorts [03:16]
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asciilifeform ah yes, the 'junkyard wars' laptop [03:17]
decimation LoL yeah it has a few extra features... [03:17]
benkay junkyard ware is all we get now asciilifeform [03:17]
kakobrekla -- [03:17]
nubbins` dub, unfortunately only blurry cellphone pictures exist [03:17]
benkay this means that people who care about the problem should probably invest some time and intellect into fixing it instead of waiting for a corporate sponsor like BSD does. [03:18]
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ThickAsThieves for anyone that cares, #opentransactions exists [03:18]
decimation the amount of time and intellect required to reinvent the computer with non-crap is literally several lifetimes [03:18]
asciilifeform benkay: people who have never been involved in mass-producing hardware are in for some rude surprises [03:18]
decimation and it's not profitable, and it's likely you will make many powerful enemies [03:19]
asciilifeform decimation: not even talking about re-inventing computing here (that's what my blob is for...) but just a decent unixlike portable [03:19]
asciilifeform where, say, 'suspend mode' actually works [03:19]
asciilifeform and network card, etc [03:19]
asciilifeform *blog [03:19]
decimation oh that's a more reasonable goal. yeah you aren't going to convince the junk peddlers that it's worth their time [03:20]
benkay well look asciilifeform there's digikey, there's a 3d printer, and there's a mess of hardware out there. nobody's going to mass-produce a *nix laptop but Apple, and we can't use theirs. the solution is to cobble our own together. [03:20]
nubbins` blob [03:20]
asciilifeform you use a kbd with 3d-printed keys, i'll pass. [03:20]
nubbins` you can't use theirs? [03:20]
asciilifeform the keyboard is one of the first mass hardware items to go to shit [03:21]
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asciilifeform '90s laptops still had more-or-less usable ones [03:21]
decimation what I find interesting is the "market dynamics" of the iphone/ipad vs. android alternatives [03:21]
asciilifeform no such luck now [03:21]
nubbins` my mother wears the letters off her keys within ~4 months [03:21]
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benkay so what's a more tractable problem: supplying high-quality keyboards for shitty cobbled together laptops, or producing entire chassis? [03:22]
decimation before the apple junk dominated, there was actually some differentiation in the marketplace amoung android devices [03:22]
decimation now everyone makes iphone clones [03:22]
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asciilifeform on old (proper) keyboards, the letters physically cannot come off (they're injection molded, the bottom of the key is black) they just get fatter over time. [03:22]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform what do people use these days ? [03:22]
asciilifeform 'geological' time. [03:22]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: most recent portables have 'apple' style 'dollar store calculator' keyboards. [03:23]
nubbins` apple keyboards are a joy [03:23]
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asciilifeform on cheap keyboards (all of them, today) the letters are silkscreened on. [03:23]
decimation I love my old hp-48 chicklet syle keyboard. I wish someone would bring that back on a portable device [03:23]
asciilifeform i, for instance, would like an aluminum (or hell, if we're dreaming, titanium) kbd and chassis [03:24]
asciilifeform but this is not how mass industry works [03:24]
mircea_popescu mircea_popescu i mean re gnome/kde [03:25]
KRS- kde ftw [03:25]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: can't speak for others, but i'm partial to [03:25]
mircea_popescu but we WERE speaking of others. [03:25]
mircea_popescu thought we were discussing mass mkt. [03:25]
KRS- reminds me of metro-x [03:26]
dub xfce4yfe [03:26]
KRS- dub: u are a sick man [03:26]
nubbins` if it's just the chassis holding you back, get one machined [03:26]
asciilifeform linux noobs are using various graphics-candy oddities, some probably based on gnome/kde, yes [03:26]
asciilifeform nubbins`: i prefer pigs without lipstick, and turds unpolished [03:27]
* dub still peers at CDE to a cruel and unusual degree [03:27]
KRS- damn geeks took over market topic [03:27]
decimation the portable device mass market is full of different manufacturers, yet they all produce very similar knockoffs of the same design [03:27]
KRS- CDE reminds me of my Sun desktop days [03:27]
decimation what could drive such risk-adverse behaviours amoung the executive suites of those companies? [03:27]
asciilifeform decimation: and with virtually-identical internals [03:27]
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decimation what happens to the guy who suggests: why not try something other than an iphone clone (for instance) [03:28]
decimation I think you have a blog post about how the world is damned to repeat Job's mistakes [03:28]
dub asciilifeform: tmux? [03:28]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform isn't a laptop by its definition ALREADY an oddity ? [03:28]
mircea_popescu who the fuck wants to hunch over a ball cooker ? [03:28]
mircea_popescu i mean i get it, executive assistant chicks with 4 feet worth of leg. [03:29]
nubbins` heh [03:29]
nubbins` almost googled "ball cooker" [03:29]
mircea_popescu nubbins` laptops aren't for men. srsly. it [03:29]
mircea_popescu s like the cs equivalent of a dildo. [03:30]
nubbins` "laptop" is a misnomer [03:30]
nubbins` for example, mine's on a table [03:30]
decimation yeah here's your post on the topic, if you forgive me [03:30]
nubbins` if you're going by what lazy slobs do, you could call all kinds of things laptops [03:30]
nubbins` large bag of chips? laptop [03:30]
nubbins` nintendo controller? laptop [03:30]
Vexual hooker? laptop [03:30]
nubbins` ^ [03:31]
nubbins` etc, etc [03:31]
Vexual you can put it on a desk but you dont have to [03:31]
nubbins` cat? laptop [03:31]
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mircea_popescu nubbins` suppose tomorrow I decide i want a diff video card. [03:31]
mircea_popescu da fuck do you do with the laptop ? [03:31]
Vexual tol up your chinese factoryies to make mini pcie stuff [03:32]
nubbins` suppose tomorrow you want rack and pinion steering on your motorcycle. [03:32]
decimation I guess that the serious lack of non-Apple competition for well-designed hardware (ie, not just Apple clones) is proof that no major electronics manufacturer is well managed [03:33]
nubbins` decimation, it's more that there isn't a market for well-designed hardware. [03:33]
decimation bah. jobs created a market [03:33]
nubbins` sure he did [03:33]
nubbins` is there room for two homemade fudge stands at the farmer's market? [03:34]
mircea_popescu decimation perhaps it's proof that apple hardware is not well designed. [03:34]
nubbins` heh [03:34]
decimation heh that's also possible [03:34]
nubbins` there's that, too [03:34]
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nubbins` for example, look at those time capsule things [03:34]
mircea_popescu would you say the lack of coca-cola competition for healthy fizz drinks proves no major pharma company is well managed ? [03:34]
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decimation either they are not well managed or the zombie hordes in the US would prefer not to think [03:35]
nubbins` anyway, apple hardware is well-designed visually, sure [03:35]
mircea_popescu decimation apple has unmatched strengths in marketing and advertising [03:35]
nubbins` i was about to say "but it's not like they're fabbing custom chips" [03:36]
decimation they used to be a joke back in the clone days [03:36]
mircea_popescu this is strictly because apple had at the helm for a decade+ a person who actually understood how worthless advertising is, and just told the horde to get fucked [03:36]
Vexual they worked out to patent connectors [03:36]
mircea_popescu if you only buy +ev packages for 10 years and have the bankroll to buy anything, eventually you end up king of the hill [03:36]
mircea_popescu which indeed they are [03:36]
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mircea_popescu think about this : all OTHER mass market folks need to PAY celebs and producers to get product placement [03:36]
mircea_popescu apple gets this the other way around : the SHOW itself wants to gain value from the association. [03:37]
mircea_popescu that's all it is. [03:37]
mircea_popescu no design involved. [03:37]
decimation but how do you create stuff people want? I submit (like ascii) that it can only the product of one mind who has the power to dictate the result [03:37]
Vexual :usb [03:38]
nubbins` decimation: you convince people that they want it. [03:38]
nubbins` aren't you listening? D: [03:38]
mircea_popescu to create product you can sell in the 1990s us, you create something that people CAN IDENTIFY and push their want buttons. is all. [03:38]
mircea_popescu they don't have to want anything. [03:38]
mircea_popescu what you take for "good engineering" is really just what nintendo was trying to do with the "game cube". [03:38]
mircea_popescu ie, it's a cube. basic geometric shape. "herp derp i can recognise this in my surroundings" [03:38]
Vexual works in micro tatami [03:39]
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mircea_popescu it's more important that they were all black [03:39]
decimation So your goal, as a businessman, is to get the big dumb blob of the population to be able to recognize your widget [03:40]
mircea_popescu than absolutely any actual design decision involved. [03:40]
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decimation everything else will follow? [03:40]
mircea_popescu decimation well, don' go fighting the war of the past. [03:40]
mircea_popescu the 1990 us (lots of people with lots of welfare money to throw around) is not coming back. ever. [03:40]
decimation that's true. it was a unique time [03:40]
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mircea_popescu you can feel it, in retrospect. all this govt money everyone had... greatest party of all time. [03:41]
mircea_popescu party's over, but yeah, that one chick with nice tits that took her top off... what a hoot. [03:41]
Namworld Time to clean up now [03:41]
mircea_popescu what was her name, peaches, rosy, eve ? something with apple in it maybe. [03:41]
decimation Perhaps the 1960's-90's will be regarded as the peak of "us civilization" [03:42]
mircea_popescu the peak of us civilisation was the golden generation [03:42]
mircea_popescu not yet matched, and no more time. [03:42]
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mircea_popescu s/gilded/golden [03:44]
mircea_popescu i guess i went a little circular there lol [03:44]
nubbins` life's like that [03:44]
decimation I was a little confused. In the us, this is a forgotten part of our history in the popular mind [03:45]
mircea_popescu yeah, well. the people whose retarded children followed lincoln in his nazi adventure. [03:45]
asciilifeform re: 'what market wants': [03:46]
asciilifeform [03:46]
mircea_popescu it'd have blossomed again, im sure, but europe bleed it twice in 50 years [03:46]
mircea_popescu and then... here we are. [03:46]
asciilifeform 'do Americans want three-ring binders, [03:46]
asciilifeform and Europeans four-ring binders? or do they want binders and take whatever [03:46]
asciilifeform number of holes they come with? or do they want something that can help [03:46]
asciilifeform them organize their papers and take whatever is available? or do they [03:46]
asciilifeform really want a less cluttered office and ease of storage and retrieval of [03:46]
asciilifeform the information they receive?' [03:46]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform indeed. [03:46]
decimation Indeed, what is interesting is that how little of the communism that had taken over Europe in the late 1800's had actually affected America [03:47]
mircea_popescu the us was quite healthy yet, even in 1880. [03:48]
mircea_popescu course... you're quite healthy "yet" the day after you've fucked all the girls at the pit stop too. [03:48]
decimation I mean, the election of 1886 was about whether there should be a silver or gold standard - and the gold won! [03:48]
Vexual maybemoreso than 110 y later [03:49]
Mats_cd03 is there more silver or gold in existence [03:49]
Vexual silver [03:49]
decimation silver (on planet earth) [03:49]
Vexual tin [03:49]
decimation that's why the democrats wanted to adopt the silver standard - it would be extremely beneficial to the "little people" - debtors all over the midwest [03:50]
asciilifeform sad fact is, if you want, for one reason or another, a portable unix box with a metal chassis and working suspend mode & peripherals, you're stuck with apple. [03:50]
mircea_popescu Mats_cd03 about 100x more silver. [03:50]
mircea_popescu decimation planet earth is not really far off the universal average is it ? [03:50]
decimation I donno, i'm just being pedantic [03:50]
mircea_popescu i vaguely remember that earth is actually "reasonably" representative of the actual unviersal distribution of elements. [03:51]
decimation ascii I want something that has a reasonable off-line backup system that will restore from an external drive, like time machine [03:51]
asciilifeform decimation: what's wrong with dd=/dev/yerdisk of=/mnt/somewhere [03:52]
mircea_popescu Vexual actually, on earth iron and nickel are, not tin. [03:52]
Vexual reasonable meaning that we are here and can see about 100 meteres across the shere of earth if it were the universe [03:52]
mircea_popescu they're nuclear ends. [03:52]
decimation well, that's fine if you want to ensure your system isn't modifying files while you write the clone? [03:52]
Vexual exactly not elemantal [03:52]
mircea_popescu i suppose you acquire all kernel locks [03:53]
mircea_popescu OVER 9000 [03:53]
asciilifeform if you don't feel like taking the box down, there are clever ways [03:53]
KRS- Anyone going to the Berlin Bitcoin conference, PM me for 20% discount code. [03:53]
Vexual how much is a ticket? [03:53]
KRS- idk [03:54]
nubbins` did i tell you guys about the coworker i had who used time machine for version control? [03:54]
decimation Perhaps it would be integrated into your suspend feature :) [03:54]
nubbins` "i don't like svn", he said [03:54]
decimation seems reasonable [03:54]
* nubbins` shrugs [03:54]
nubbins` he never fucked anything up [03:54]
KRS- If anyone is lending on BFX I could use some swap for almost 600 LTC. [03:54]
KRS- ;;seen sturles [03:54]
gribble sturles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 37 weeks, 4 days, 18 hours, 38 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: I've upgraded my clients to latest git. Not forwarding or mining silly dust spam any more. [03:54]
KRS- fawk [03:55]
decimation well ascii, part of the problem with your lack of unix laptop is that there aren't any unix hardware manufacturers anymore [03:55]
decimation does oracle still make servers? [03:56]
asciilifeform this isn't really an issue with full-scale machines, where you can mix&match hw [03:56]
nubbins` does oracle still anymore? [03:56]
decimation yeah, laptops are going to require some level of hardware/firmware/driver integration [03:57]
benkay ;;calc 0.8*24*365 [03:57]
gribble 7008 [03:57]
nubbins` decimation: how about HP :) [03:57]
decimation it seems there would be a market for a "rhel laptop" like the tadpole was for sun though [03:57]
mircea_popescu this isn't really an issue with full-scale machines, where you can mix&match hw <<< shit, laptops just got killed. [03:57]
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asciilifeform to say that laptop is unnecessary is like supposing that nothing smaller than a squad machine gun is of any use in war [03:59]
decimation HP was killed by idiots who were drunk at the party in the 90's MP mentions [03:59]
nubbins` well y'know. [03:59]
asciilifeform (even if this is approximately true, the devil lies in the remaining cases) [03:59]
nubbins` did they EVER have a "unix laptop"? [03:59]
decimation [03:59]
nubbins` did ibm have AIX laptops, did sgi have IRIX laptops, etc [04:00]
Mats_cd03 chromebooks are about as good as its going to get imo [04:00]
asciilifeform if i recall, there was even an Alpha laptop once. [04:00]
nubbins` i'm not so sure this "unix laptop" thing ever existed, aside from a few isolated instances [04:00]
nubbins` Mats_cd03, chromebooks are essentially dumb terminals [04:00]
Mats_cd03 ya i know [04:00]
asciilifeform nubbins`: chromebook can be diddled into some semblance of general-purpose usefulness, with some sweat [04:01]
Vexual whats wrong with a raspi in a lunchbox? [04:01]
Mats_cd03 fuck me but i actually like that [04:01]
asciilifeform (zap the google crap) [04:01]
benkay ;;calc 0.8*24*30 [04:01]
gribble 576 [04:01]
asciilifeform Vexual: keyboard, battery, display [04:01]
nubbins` asciilifeform: so can an OLPC ;p [04:01]
Mats_cd03 im at the stage where i know a lot about netsec but very little about practical mitigation of threats [04:01]
Vexual i thought thats what all the kids had now [04:01]
Mats_cd03 so having a chromebook to do things that might be sensitive is great [04:01]
Vexual build the rest with arundio [04:01]
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decimation well, if you want to DIY laptop you might as well join up with bunnie, at least he is going with open/auditable firmware [04:02]
Mats_cd03 if i'm really, really worried about getting pwned i guess i could use a raspi with a usb drive to bridge the air gap [04:02]
asciilifeform Vexual: if your idea of a portable computer is a briefcase with a tv and raspi, more power to you [04:02]
decimation although that doesn't detect chip fiddling [04:02]
Vexual im happy with my 701 [04:03]
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asciilifeform ibm 701C? the one with the folding kbd? [04:03]
asciilifeform 486? [04:03]
Mats_cd03 im sure it exists but i havent seen malware that targets both armv6 [04:03]
decimation except your "raspi" is closed hardware with binary blob fimrware [04:03]
Mats_cd03 and x86-64 [04:03]
asciilifeform gets better [04:03]
asciilifeform raspi cpu has a whole separate core [04:04]
nubbins` wait, so now we're looking for a laptop with all open hardware? [04:04]
nubbins` jeez [04:04]
asciilifeform running a weird undocumented instr set (!) blob at all times [04:04]
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decimation well it was probably meant for phones/tablets to run the RF stuff [04:04]
nubbins` just call up that company whose laptops RMS uses [04:04]
asciilifeform it's like someone held a contest, 'make something even more dubious than an intel box' [04:04]
nubbins` and ask them to do a bespoke one for ya [04:04]
Vexual asccilifeform: eeepc [04:04]
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mircea_popescu to say that laptop is unnecessary is like supposing that nothing smaller than a squad machine gun is of any use in war << this is facually true [04:05]
decimation I donno, qualcomm is probably more scummy than intel [04:05]
asciilifeform bought an 'eeepc' once, threw it out in disgust [04:05]
mircea_popescu you ever seen anyone with a .38 ? [04:05]
nubbins` hm, this tadpole used openvms? [04:05]
nubbins` :( [04:05]
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Mats_cd03 i used to own a S&W revolver what about it [04:06]
decimation here you go, a history of sparc portables [04:06]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: for some reason no one is in a hurry to dispense with man-portable arms [04:06]
mircea_popescu did you win any wars with it Mats_cd03 ? [04:06]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform man portable != woman portable. [04:06]
mircea_popescu i can carry my mothrfucking crt. [04:06]
nubbins` afaik they give pistols to suspected heroes [04:06]
asciilifeform the 'two airplanes' theorem applies [04:06]
nubbins` so they can drunkenly stagger towards enemy snipers firing shots [04:06]
Mats_cd03 mircea_popescu: nah i never fired it, it was an antique i saved for home defense [04:06]
nubbins` while they bleed out [04:07]
asciilifeform 'what can two planes do, that no single plane, regardless of cost, can do? be in two places.' [04:07]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform so you shooting a .38 in each hand > me with my .5 DE ? [04:07]
mircea_popescu there is an absolute limit to the smallest firearm usable on a battlefield. so in computing. the laptop is below that limit. [04:07]
asciilifeform but note that DE, rather than Maxim [04:08]
Mats_cd03 only if you turn both pistols sideways [04:08]
asciilifeform because you'd still like to move around with it [04:08]
mircea_popescu Mats_cd03 and spin while screaming. [04:08]
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Mats_cd03 you'd kill 6 whole gangsters, i seen it [04:08]
mircea_popescu i saw that movie too! [04:08]
mircea_popescu i think that's how they started calling them "molls" [04:08]
Mats_cd03 now that we're talking about firearms [04:09]
Mats_cd03 i want to tell all of you that live in murica to buy an antique handgun [04:09]
Mats_cd03 no need to register it if you leave it at home [04:09]
nubbins` i'm not so sure that "computing" is a battlefield [04:09]
nubbins` handguns work fine for domestic disputes [04:09]
nubbins` bar fights, even [04:09]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you do have a good point there in principle, but im not so sure the laptop resolves the movement problem. [04:09]
Mats_cd03 9/10 on scale of intimidating crackheads and drunks off your property [04:09]
asciilifeform Mats_cd03: afaik, in most u.s. states nobody has to register anything short of machine gun [04:10]
Vexual flingin crts with one hand workls too [04:10]
nubbins` haha ^ [04:10]
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Mats_cd03 i live in the union so theres lots of regs everywhere [04:10]
Mats_cd03 i rented an AR-15 once in san diego [04:11]
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Mats_cd03 theres this regulation that assault weapons have to be sold with this special magazine release [04:11]
Mats_cd03 so you end up using a fucking pen to pop your 10 round mag out [04:11]
Mats_cd03 mindfuckery [04:12]
asciilifeform Mats_cd03: used to be that you could pop those open with an unspent round, but the regulations were changed, if i recall [04:12]
Mats_cd03 its like this [04:12]
decimation I think the new thing is that the next magazine has a key to pop off the last one [04:13]
Mats_cd03 if i'm going to shoot up a mall i'm going to find the biggest magazine i can find, prob 40 rounds, and then i'm going to get a weapon that takes less than 5 seconds to reload [04:13]
Mats_cd03 some regulations about a 10 round magazine and mag release fuckery ain't gonna stop that [04:14]
Vexual regulations changed in australia, now we have more unlicensed guns than the bad parts of la [04:14]
asciilifeform i still don't get the preoccupation with 'postals.' biggest postal body count to date still belongs to the fellow with the jerry can [04:14]
asciilifeform [04:14]
ozbot Happy Land fire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [04:15]
Vexual everyone handed in their crts tho [04:15]
asciilifeform CRT banned in australia?! [04:15]
decimation [04:16]
ozbot San Francisco Targets 'Repair Kits' That Skirt California's Gun Magazine Limit - Hit & Run : Reason. [04:16]
decimation PLEASE NOTE: CA-Legal Magazine Repair / Rebuild Kits are to be used to 1) repair or rebuild your existing legally owned high capacity magazines or 2) permanently block to 10 rounds or 3) store in a disassembled condition for use outside of California. They are not intended for reassembly into new high capacity magazines, which would be a felony under California law. [04:16]
decimation LOL [04:16]
Vexual asciilifeform: supercession seems to work better [04:17]
mircea_popescu [04:17]
ozbot BitBet, January 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [04:17]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla ^ [04:17]
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benkay wow a significant month for bitbet without significant donations [04:17]
benkay bitbet not scam? [04:17]
asciilifeform decimation: these folks will probably end in the gasenwagen. see the infamous 'shoelace machine gun' precedent. [04:18]
mircea_popescu benkay it's still a scam, but this month more quoting wikipedia less quoting trilema [04:18]
decimation the list of unapproved submissions is likely hilarious [04:19]
asciilifeform during 'prohibition', there were folks who sold stills in parts, with detailed instructions for 'what not do to' with them [04:19]
nubbins` "Upon further review, we have determined that the string by itself is not a machinegun" [04:20]
nubbins` lelel [04:20]
asciilifeform this doesn't fly today [04:20]
decimation lol the shoestring [04:20]
mircea_popescu González was charged with 174 counts of murder—- two for each victim—- and was found guilty on 87 counts of arson and 87 counts of murder on August 19, 1991. For each count he received the sentence maximum of 25 years to life (a total of 4,350 years). It was the most substantial prison term ever imposed in the state of New York [04:20]
decimation how can the guy who signed that letter face himself in the mirror [04:20]
mircea_popescu this "counts" bs the us does still boggles. [04:20]
mircea_popescu he did ONE thing. [04:20]
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asciilifeform the string was acquitted, but woe be unto anyone caught with an original 'ak' sear [04:20]
mircea_popescu there can't be "counts" [04:20]
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Mats_cd03 is there context for the photo on trilema [04:21]
nubbins` mircea_popescu: unfortunately there's no separate crime for "killing 87 people" [04:22]
nubbins` and what sort of justice equates the killing of one with the killing of dozens?! [04:22]
Mats_cd03 ive spent five minutes now just examining the man's beard and the other guy's arm hair [04:22]
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mircea_popescu nubbins` it's killing. [04:22]
decimation why not just convict on one "count" then, and if you want him to suffer more, convict him of the next? [04:22]
mircea_popescu there is a crime of "murder" [04:22]
Mats_cd03 nubbins`: judaism? [04:22]
nubbins` sure, yes. [04:22]
mircea_popescu Mats_cd03 which one ? [04:22]
nubbins` and he committed the crime 87 times, they say [04:22]
Mats_cd03 at the top [04:22]
mircea_popescu o, the header ? me with some local kids in a bar [04:23]
mircea_popescu counting fiat. [04:23]
Vexual did you win? [04:23]
asciilifeform they're stuck with the monotony of allowed punishments [04:23]
mircea_popescu nubbins` you can't commit the crime x times, unless you do x things. [04:23]
asciilifeform in the old days, you could have your breaking on the wheel 'commuted' to mere beheading, if there were 'extenuating circumstances' [04:23]
mircea_popescu he did one thing. it's one crime. [04:23]
nubbins` sure, but if i go to a pizza place and eat a full pizza, do i get charged for one slice? [04:24]
mircea_popescu Vexual yeah. [04:24]
nubbins` i only ate one meal [04:24]
Mats_cd03 i propose a new system of justice [04:24]
decimation public hangings ought to be mandatory viewing for the entire population [04:24]
mircea_popescu nubbins` what is this, the market ? [04:24]
nubbins` for our purposes, sure [04:24]
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mircea_popescu nope. if eating is punished, you ate, you get punished. [04:24]
mircea_popescu if you eat twice, maybe you're punished twice. [04:24]
asciilifeform decimation: public hangings were, afaik, always and unambiguously 'cash-positive' and in-demand [04:24]
nubbins` okay, so i left my wallet at home [04:24]
Mats_cd03 convicted felons will now scrape gum off sidewalks [04:25]
mircea_popescu but if you ate once you don't get "one count of eating an olive, another count of eating another olive" bs. [04:25]
mircea_popescu and besides, they run concurrently anyway. [04:25]
nubbins` do i have to wash the same number of dishes as the guy who only ate half a pizza? [04:25]
Mats_cd03 that might keep lifers busy [04:25]
mircea_popescu 43985734987984357 counts of 5 minutes = 5 minutes in jail. [04:25]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: u.s. judges can select concurrent vs. consecutive [04:25]
mircea_popescu only cause teh us is completely in wtf mode. [04:26]
Vexual no [04:26]
mircea_popescu i'm in jail, i'm in jail. it applies to all possible reasons i might be in jail. [04:26]
mircea_popescu there's not a "now for x, tomorrow for y" bs. [04:26]
nubbins` mircea_popescu: same punishment for striking one person with your car vs driving through a crowd, mowing down dozens? [04:26]
mircea_popescu nubbins` yup. [04:26]
mircea_popescu unless there's a special law for 3 people, murder is murder. [04:26]
nubbins` don't you suppose that would encourage people to just keep on driving after they've struck someone? [04:27]
nubbins` "fuck it, i never liked bill" [04:27]
mircea_popescu it can be manslaughter or aggravated murder, but it is an offence. [04:27]
mircea_popescu nubbins` do you suppose the 4955th year discourages anyone ? [04:27]
asciilifeform 'might as well hang for a sheep as for a lamb' [04:27]
nubbins` "actually this whole town is full of nerds" [04:27]
nubbins` mircea_popescu: i don't suppose the punishment discourages anyone who commits an offence [04:27]
nubbins` by definition, it hasn't [04:27]
mircea_popescu "dude, 2500s i don't care about so much but i gotta see superbowl #1955" [04:27]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the 'geological time' sentences, if i recall, serve a mundane bureaucratic purpose [04:27]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform kinda what i'm pointing out here. it makes a laughingstock of the process. [04:28]
asciilifeform they eliminate parole in jurisdictions where the judge cannot (or for political/historical reasons) won't do so. [04:28]
nubbins` asciilifeform: prisons get paid in advance? ;p [04:28]
asciilifeform 'yer paroled but got 3000 yrs to go' [04:28]
mircea_popescu i don't dispute the system works. [04:28]
asciilifeform '1000 off for good behaviour' [04:28]
mircea_popescu i affirm the system is fucking microsoft windows. [04:28]
asciilifeform that, it is. [04:28]
Mats_cd03 the process has always been a laughing stock, we just invented the internet recently and tell each other about it [04:28]
mircea_popescu all i'm sayin'. [04:29]
asciilifeform for that matter,winblows itself is a good cultural portrait of the civilization that shat it forth [04:29]
mircea_popescu Mats_cd03 the civil law is actually a lot saner [04:29]
nubbins` so i come home to find my wife in bed with another man [04:29]
mircea_popescu until you get to business and commercial matters. [04:29]
mircea_popescu then... forget it. [04:29]
nubbins` shoot one of them [04:29]
nubbins` i might as well just shoot the other one, and my daughter too? [04:29]
Mats_cd03 it has been an adversarial judicial system its entire existence...scalia agrees on this account [04:29]
* nubbins` shakes head [04:29]
nubbins` MAKES SENSE [04:29]
mircea_popescu nubbins` fun fact : guy did this in timisoara ~5 years ago. he was acquited. [04:29]
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Vexual get a new woman and stay free [04:29]
Mats_cd03 i mean fuck they're pitting lawyers against each other, someone is going to get fucked and its not the prosecution [04:30]
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nubbins` Mats_cd03: sometimes the prosecution gets fucked, but they don't really have to pay the bill when it comes [04:30]
decimation why is it considered horrific to broadcast hangings in the US, but not horrific to broadcast "fiction" featuring people murdering regularly? [04:31]
mircea_popescu decimation why is it considered horrific to show kids nipples [04:31]
Mats_cd03 cause its not, like, real, dude [04:31]
mircea_popescu is what i want to know. [04:31]
asciilifeform decimation: it's worth your time to read about how and why public hangings went away [04:31]
asciilifeform it was 'moralists.' too much fun [04:31]
decimation yeah do you have sources [04:31]
decimation We can build a kingdom of God on earth, if we just pile up enough chairs... [04:32]
asciilifeform 'Edison and the Electric Chair', Mark Essig [04:32]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform was it because hangings got too close to masturbation for the victim ? [04:32]
mircea_popescu U.S. intelligence agencies last week urged the Obama administration to check its new healthcare network for malicious software after learning that developers linked to the Belarus government helped produce the website, raising fresh concerns that private data posted by millions of Americans will be compromised. [04:33]
mircea_popescu [04:33]
ozbot The Belarusian Connection | Washington Free Beacon [04:33]
asciilifeform hangings in the 19th c. were apparently quite stimulating to the audience. [04:33]
nubbins` asciilifeform, gore is essentially porno [04:33]
nubbins` belarus, they make nice coins [04:34]
decimation Belarussian hackers probably have unique insight in how to create proper communism [04:34]
asciilifeform no gore as such, even. never having attended a hanging, i've no idea why the audience creams its pants along with the fellow dancing the hempen jig [04:34]
mircea_popescu belarus is like.... putin's canada. [04:34]
asciilifeform but there it was. [04:34]
nubbins` well sure, but a technicality [04:35]
nubbins` humans get off on vulnerability [04:35]
nubbins` this is why they enjoy humiliation, torture, gore, etc as well as sex [04:35]
nubbins` and why all those things have a habit of getting tangled up with each other occasionally [04:36]
asciilifeform nubbins`: this would explain the fact that everybody loved a good impalement, etc. in times gone by. but hanging? seems boring. [04:36]
nubbins` nod [04:37]
mircea_popescu < exactly what it says on the tin [04:37]
nubbins` it's a power thing [04:37]
nubbins` consider the age of 1-900 sex chat [04:37]
nubbins` nothing to even look at [04:38]
nubbins` countless buckets of cum [04:38]
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nubbins` or a room full of dudebros swapping stories of tricking women into having sex or beating up nerds [04:39]
mircea_popescu wait what ? [04:39]
nubbins` vulnerability [04:40]
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nubbins` even thinking about it gets people riled up [04:40]
nubbins` doesn't even need to be witnessed [04:40]
nubbins` the wetness of an impaling is just icing on the cake [04:40]
nubbins` a hanging will do just fine [04:41]
nubbins` and in a pinch, a recollection of the hanging [04:41]
mircea_popescu so why'd spanking go out of fashion ? [04:41]
nubbins` it didn't [04:41]
nubbins` do you even pornography? [04:41]
mircea_popescu so when's the last time you gave the missus a good spanking ? [04:43]
mircea_popescu plan on doing her children weekly or anything ? [04:43]
nubbins` i'm not saying everyone in the town was jacking off at the gallows [04:43]
nubbins` nor is every man a steroid-riddled ape shouting "HURRR" and slapping a woman's ass purple [04:44]
mircea_popescu so the proposition here is that the same process took out hangings and spankings ? [04:45]
nubbins` just that these are common enough things that share a common characteristic [04:45]
nubbins` no, that the same process made them popular in the first place. [04:45]
nubbins` propriety brought both out of the public eye [04:45]
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mircea_popescu as a non-steroid riddled non-ape that has slapped bucnhes of butts purple i tell you i see no appeal in hangings at all. [04:46]
nubbins` sure, and some who eat beef don't eat pork [04:46]
nubbins` some men prefer blondes [04:46]
nubbins` etc [04:46]
mircea_popescu but... pork and beef are still eaten [04:46]
nubbins` and people are still executed [04:46]
mircea_popescu some who care for antique vases don't care for antique knives ? [04:46]
Vexual and the whisky is arely in another castle [04:47]
nubbins` mircea_popescu: sure, and the same attraction to items from a time past is what brings people to collect both [04:47]
mircea_popescu maybe there's something here but perhaps too complicated to easily detach [04:48]
nubbins` this all stems from a quip, really [04:49]
nubbins` consider another angle: humans are driven to have sex because of sexual urges. doesn't mean all humans want to have sex with both genders [04:49]
nubbins` some prefer one, some the other, some both. but the motivation stems from the same source [04:49]
mircea_popescu which quip, the vulnerability ? [04:49]
mircea_popescu afaik women kinda throw up at it. [04:49]
nubbins` "gore is basically porno" [04:50]
mircea_popescu a, a. they're both taboo transgressive, but i doubt they're the same thing really. [04:50]
nubbins` sure, a stretch [04:50]
mircea_popescu the hunter enjoys seeing gazelles gutted and females fucked. [04:50]
nubbins` but the common taboo is vulnerability [04:50]
mircea_popescu doesn't actually mean either women are goats or fucking is gutting, i dun think [04:51]
nubbins` point i was making, i guess, is of course people jacked off at hangings [04:51]
Vexual it might mean you can't shoot a dove if it's nesting [04:51]
mircea_popescu how is vulnerability a taboo ? [04:51]
nubbins` i'm sure there were people jacking off in the theatre when you saw "consent" or w/e it's called [04:51]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves you should hire Vexual to do atc shilling i tell you. [04:52]
Vexual incase some brave housecat is deprived of duck milk? [04:52]
nubbins` the vulnerability itself isn't a taboo [04:52]
nubbins` the arousal from it is [04:52]
nubbins` guilty pleasure [04:52]
nubbins` "i'd sure hate for that to happen to me" as one gleefully watches [04:53]
nubbins` not too gleefully, though [04:53]
mircea_popescu nubbins` that's how a theatre looks when i go. [04:53]
nubbins` looks like a lecture hall [04:53]
nubbins` ^ disregard, that was a useless statement [04:54]
mircea_popescu it's actually an old style cinema. built in the 70s, like 1100 places [04:54]
Vexual they you have some balkan craftsmen alter the stage [04:55]
nubbins` you really did have a lot more comments when you posted in romanian, huh [04:55]
mircea_popescu nubbins` about 90k over ~3-4 years, 20 a day or something [04:55]
mircea_popescu romanians still comment and so on, the english speaker is pretty blaze. [04:56]
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mircea_popescu i doubt people comment once per 100 articles they read. [04:56]
nubbins` in the english-speaking world, website comments are generally considered to be the lowest form of discourse [04:57]
mircea_popescu kinda silly, at least on trilema. but hey. [04:57]
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nubbins` just below bathroom graffiti [04:57]
Vexual romania was catapaulted out of opression with the internet [04:57]
mircea_popescu i blame disqus and google for it tbh [04:57]
nubbins` someone showed me a picture of a bathroom with "dick surgery or die" written on the wall [04:58]
nubbins` recognized the bathroom, to this day have not found the writing [04:58]
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nubbins` mircea_popescu: i blame news websites [04:58]
mircea_popescu no, because those exist in romanian too and they're just as dumpster-y. [04:58]
nubbins` they're great if you want to know what idiots and bigots think on a given topic [04:59]
Vexual id be scared shitless if i read that in lumberjack country [04:59]
Vexual if i ever go to canadia im shitting in the snow [05:00]
nubbins` you know we have toilets here [05:00]
nubbins` real ones [05:00]
Vexual as in not truck stops? [05:00]
ThickAsThieves i always thought maybe people like horror and spanking and sci fi and apocalypse because of depravation from survivalistic lifestyle or something [05:01]
nubbins` truck stops, we have [05:01]
ThickAsThieves hunter with no need to hunt [05:01]
nubbins` no squatter toilets tho [05:01]
mircea_popescu you mean deprivation or depravity ? [05:01]
ThickAsThieves deprivation, sry [05:01]
ThickAsThieves hunter with no need to hunt, caregiver with nothing to care about [05:02]
nubbins` popularity of disaster/apocalypse stuff is more a product of the times [05:02]
ThickAsThieves smack, horror, boom [05:02]
Vexual gonna happen more when a human can't find a square mile to themselves [05:03]
nubbins` but sure, thrills are thrilling for those who don't get thrilled much [05:03]
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Vexual waking up is a trhill for me [05:04]
nubbins` not me [05:04]
Vexual fuck mano -10 would take my breath away [05:04]
nubbins` it's fine if you're dressed for it! [05:05]
nubbins` Canada Goose parkas are really popular here the past few years [05:05]
Vexual breathing it in would be like a menthos marbolro [05:05]
Vexual except herero [05:05]
nubbins` not because they're necessary (srsly, an expedition parka at this latitude?) [05:05]
mod6 dealt with -20 (or worse) all January. [05:06]
nubbins` but because famous people wear them when visiting canada [05:06]
Mats_cd03 why the fuck does FX show archer at 3AM EST [05:06]
mircea_popescu [05:07]
ozbot [] The Scientology of Bitcoin Finance? [05:07]
mircea_popescu check this shit out. [05:07]
Mats_cd03 praise to ozbot [05:07]
mircea_popescu mpex will cease to exist because some pick up artist said things at some conference. [05:07]
nubbins` heh [05:07]
ThickAsThieves okay i watched the video [05:07]
mircea_popescu he doesn't know about how mpex ceased to exist in 2012 because nefario said things at another conference. [05:07]
nubbins` well it totally happ... wait [05:07]
Vexual did he stutter? [05:07]
ThickAsThieves and it doesnt add up [05:07]
mircea_popescu and at least at THAT one even rms showed up [05:07]
ThickAsThieves Open Transactions is, from what i can tell, a server-distributed ledger, based on last signed & verified receipt [05:08]
mircea_popescu i look forward to anon forum derps explaining how mpex will sitll be ceasing to exist in 2025 [05:08]
mircea_popescu because some yet another social media nobody is saying things. [05:08]
mircea_popescu saying dude. if only i knew saying is what makes this world run. [05:08]
mircea_popescu fml. [05:08]
Mats_cd03 .bait [05:09]
ozbot [05:09]
Vexual mp are you jimmothy? [05:09]
Mats_cd03 .bait [05:09]
ozbot [05:09]
Mats_cd03 mp is every poster in that thread [05:09]
Vexual i wonder if i could melt jimmothy [05:10]
mircea_popescu Mats_cd03 dude stop ruining my well laid out plans. [05:10]
Vexual six years of sloths suck oughtta do it [05:10]
Mats_cd03 mircea_popescu: well... youre not OP right? that would be a master stroke [05:11]
mircea_popescu open penis ? [05:11]
ThickAsThieves closed heart [05:12]
mircea_popescu lol [05:12]
Mats_cd03 google search for "years of sloths" yields 2 results [05:12]
Mats_cd03 what the fuck does that mean [05:12]
mircea_popescu but it is kind-of funny that people with a clue suspect me of actually sockpuppeting as "mah enemies" on various sm sites. [05:12]
nubbins` op/ch [05:13]
mircea_popescu if those dorks knew that they're in fact working for me for free they'd prolly have a 2nd aneurism [05:13]
nubbins` i lel'd [05:13]
Vexual its kinda funny that people with a clue think i have a clue [05:13]
ThickAsThieves seems they dont know even when you tell them, so youre okay [05:13]
Mats_cd03 the trick is to fake it until your fist is in their colon [05:14]
mircea_popescu recall that guy snackman ? "o, bitbet is screwed, i will spend a month saying bad things EVERYWHERE, like on places that matter such as reddit" [05:14]
Vexual that never works mat [05:14]
Mats_cd03 then they're your sockpuppet... colon puppet... sort of [05:14]
mircea_popescu suckpuppet ? [05:14]
mircea_popescu there's like... sock puppets, when you make the account and use it to further your interests [05:15]
mircea_popescu then there's suckpuppets, when random derps make the account to spite you [05:15]
Mats_cd03 suckpuppet might work, although that just made me recall the auditory sound of a fist leaving an asshole [05:15]
mircea_popescu and end up helping involuntarily. [05:15]
nubbins` ah, i just got reminded of eskimobob [05:15]
mircea_popescu well that'd be an adequate fx. [05:15]
Vexual by jimmothy nubs? [05:15]
Mats_cd03 slurrrrrp [05:15]
Mats_cd03 is the sound that would make [05:15]
mircea_popescu Mats_cd03 no it's more like a slpop [05:15]
Mats_cd03 i havent seen enough fisting videos to refute your claim [05:16]
Mats_cd03 you win [05:16]
nubbins` Vexual, his name was brought up in the mpex scientology thread [05:16]
mircea_popescu i don't think i've ever seen a video [05:16]
mircea_popescu nubbins` you're too young to recall ciuciu huh [05:16]
nubbins` i have [05:16]
Mats_cd03 so fisting is a regular event in your life then [05:16]
nubbins` mircea_popescu, before my time [05:16]
mircea_popescu well not so regular, but you gotta try things once in a while. [05:16]
nubbins` ~nov 2012 i started dabbling [05:16]
Vexual [05:16]
mircea_popescu lemme see if there's a pastable bit [05:16]
ozbot Donna Summer - I Feel Love (Long Remix) Music Video by Ganja Claus on Vimeo [05:16]
nubbins` didn't quit my job til feb 2013 [05:17]
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Vexual fired yet? [05:17]
nubbins` so there was a period of like 4 months there where i wasn't much in tune with everything [05:17]
Mats_cd03 the human colon is a remarkable thing [05:17]
nubbins` Vexual, i've never been fired [05:17]
nubbins` never been broken up with [05:17]
nubbins` only good things happen to me [05:17]
Mats_cd03 i wonder how many of my daily accessories i could fit in my ass if i tried [05:18]
Vexual yeah but you're were a boss at birth [05:18]
nubbins` after a fashion [05:18]
Mats_cd03 lets see... gum, wallet, phone, hand sanitizer, moleskine, pen, [05:18]
mircea_popescu no dice ;/ [05:18]
ozbot #bitcoin-assets log [05:18]
nubbins` :( [05:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13437 @ 0.0009283 = 12.4736 BTC [-] [05:19]
nubbins` hand sanitizer, seriously? [05:19]
mircea_popescu guy was on my ignore so i dun have local logs so... [05:19]
nubbins` i don't get this sanitizer thing [05:20]
nubbins` okay, anecdote [05:20]
mircea_popescu Mats_cd03 "He'd be damned if any slope's gonna put their greasy, yellow hands on his boy's birthright, so he hid it in one place he knew he could hide something - his ass. Five long years he wore this watch up his ass. Then, he died of dysentery. He give me the watch. I hid this uncomfortable hunk of metal up my ass two years. Then, after seven years, I was sent home to my family. Now, little man, I give the watch to y [05:20]
mircea_popescu ou." [05:20]
nubbins` i was at the gym yesterday [05:20]
nubbins` there's a small metal box on the wall with a lock on top that hides the temperature controls for the room or w/e [05:20]
nubbins` some asshole walks up and sticks his hand underneath it [05:20]
Mats_cd03 that seems familiar but i always thought the story was about a jew [05:20]
nubbins` looks mildly confused when hand sanitizer doesn't squirt out [05:21]
nubbins` and walks away [05:21]
Mats_cd03 i use hand sanitizer to get the smell of smokes off my body [05:21]
nubbins` no you don't [05:21]
Mats_cd03 and gum to remove it from my mouth [05:21]
nubbins` you use it to think it gets the smell of smokes off your body [05:21]
nubbins` truth is, you fucking reek like smoke after having a cigarette [05:22]
nubbins` ask anyone around you who doesn't smoke [05:22]
Mats_cd03 i'm not a cigarette scientist okay i can only do so much about the cigarette smoke [05:22]
Vexual nuns carries half a pund of skunk to get the smell of smoke off his breath [05:22]
mircea_popescu lol [05:22]
Vexual scientician [05:22]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 9461 @ 0.00049068 = 4.6423 BTC [+] {22} [05:22]
mircea_popescu Vexual runs one of the funniest markov chain bots ever. [05:22]
Mats_cd03 and the smoke touches my hand and mouth, so hand sanitizer and gum is how it goes [05:22]
nubbins` lel ^ [05:22]
Vexual im from the ponds institute [05:22]
nubbins` vexual, ive been quit for 2 years 3 months and uh [05:23]
nubbins` 19 days [05:23]
mircea_popescu i've been smoking since i was ~15. [05:23]
nubbins` i only smoked for 5 years [05:23]
mircea_popescu takes me about 6 to 10 weeks to go through a pack. [05:23]
nubbins` started at age 25, feel free to have a lel [05:23]
nubbins` took me 20-24 hours [05:23]
nubbins` sometimes less [05:23]
mircea_popescu thats a little exaggerate. [05:23]
nubbins` occasionally i'd smoke 20 darts over the course of an evening [05:23]
mircea_popescu don't eat any viagra. [05:24]
nubbins` nor drink any red bull [05:24]
nubbins` alkie friend of mine got cut off from red bull one night at the bar [05:24]
Mats_cd03 lol [05:24]
mircea_popescu lol this reminds me of kramer and his cappucino deal [05:24]
mircea_popescu "i feel like i'm talking a little fast but you can'treally tell" [05:25]
nubbins` he says "you know how hard it is to drink six glasses of coke?" [05:25]
nubbins` downs 4 red bulls, screams his lungs out on a stage for 45 minutes [05:25]
mircea_popescu [05:25]
ozbot BBC News - Corruption across EU 'breathtaking' - EU Commission [05:25]
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mircea_popescu The extent of corruption in Europe is "breathtaking" and it costs the EU economy at least 120bn euros (£99bn) annually, the European Commission says. [05:25]
nubbins` his heartbeat felt like a fucking dubstep club [05:25]
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mircea_popescu sounds like a great reason to move here. [05:25]
Mats_cd03 [05:26]
ozbot Keep Your Money Safe – in Your Vagina | Craftastrophe [05:26]
Mats_cd03 for the friend you hate that has everything... [05:26]
nubbins` the header on that website is pretty amazing [05:26]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [05:26]
Mats_cd03 i am particularly amused by the header [05:26]
Vexual wheres the best place in realeurope for an australian to live? [05:27]
nubbins` reminds me of this: [05:27]
nubbins` vexual, you won't want to miss ^ [05:27]
mircea_popescu Vexual spain if you like fat whores, romania if you like slender whores. [05:27]
Mats_cd03 theres even hair glued onto the wallet [05:27]
ThickAsThieves must be french [05:28]
Vexual this hurts more than trilema [05:28]
Mats_cd03 ^ lol [05:29]
nubbins` hahaha it's almost too much [05:29]
Vexual and remids me how i got frozen squid instead of statchcock [05:29]
Vexual good lamb, you buy [05:29]
Vexual antidote: [05:30]
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nubbins` unexpected side effect: [05:31]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 71 @ 0.00595747 = 0.423 BTC [+] [05:32]
Vexual can one walk around speaking english at everyone in romania? [05:32]
mircea_popescu sure. [05:33]
Vexual will it float? [05:33]
nubbins` was waiting for the actual question :D [05:33]
mircea_popescu bout the same as it serves you here... [05:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC [05:33]
nubbins` !b 6 [05:33]
assbot Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. ( [05:34]
Vexual hmmmm [05:34]
nubbins` problem with !b is that it's easy to fuck up [05:34]
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mircea_popescu famous last words [05:34]
nubbins` s/!b/* [05:34]
mircea_popescu "problem with this linux box/kalashnikov/cuisinart/etc" [05:34]
nubbins` protip: it's not a problem [05:35]
nubbins` :D [05:35]
mircea_popescu [05:35]
ozbot Why MP is your God. [05:35]
mircea_popescu this dude actually thinks they tailor polo shirts ?! [05:35]
mircea_popescu it's trollage, right ? [05:36]
nubbins` [05:36]
nubbins` that's a polo shirt [05:36]
nubbins` is that what you wear under your vest? : [05:36]
nubbins` oh, wait, i cnat raed [05:37]
mircea_popescu holy moses on a stick, someone sell him some original haagen-dasz [05:37]
mircea_popescu imported from danishland [05:37]
Vexual the cowspiders made me sick [05:37]
nubbins` Vexual, :( [05:37]
nubbins` ovine > bovine [05:37]
Vexual no, i have the fear [05:37]
nubbins` try placing a bare foot on the ground [05:37]
Vexual yeah that worked, thanks [05:38]
nubbins` np, it's a good one to remember [05:38]
Vexual yeah, the feedback loop swas that it made me forget i had feet [05:38]
Vexual funny how secrets travel [05:38]
mircea_popescu let's do a game of guess. so my driver (who's really a retired ceo guy, lots of fun) dropped off his 10yo kid to whatever kid social function before picking me up, but didn't go all the way because the street was muddy and his car freshly washed. so the kid had to walk like 100 yards. gets called on phone, kid is affraid of DOGS111!! doesn't know what to do pls help. what does the guy do ? [05:39]
Vexual txt him a spoonful of cement? [05:40]
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Vexual drive back [05:40]
mircea_popescu giving away like a promise to pay 1 atc once i get some to the first person that gets the right answer. [05:40]
mircea_popescu Vexual no and no. [05:40]
Vexual pick you up? [05:40]
mircea_popescu well of course, the reason i know about this is cause i was in the car when he got called. [05:40]
Vexual is there only one answer? [05:41]
mircea_popescu yeah. [05:41]
mircea_popescu only one answer, only one altcoin. [05:41]
mike_c told him to bark at the dog [05:41]
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mircea_popescu mike_c pretty much. spent ten minutes yelling in the phone at the top of his lungs telling the kid what a little shitling it is [05:41]
mike_c hehe [05:42]
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mircea_popescu "what the fuck do you mean dogs. EAT THEM!!1" [05:42]
mircea_popescu "if i come home and you've eaten no dog i'm going to spank you!" [05:42]
Vexual its not really a spoonful of cement if you have to call the kid [05:42]
asciilifeform korean driver? [05:42]
mircea_popescu so eventually he's done yelling and im like "you got a point there, gotta get the kid scared-er of you than the dogs, then he'll be fine" [05:42]
mircea_popescu he goes "d'oh" [05:43]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform no, he's romanian. [05:43]
asciilifeform afaik every man who came of age in the post-soviet lands has eaten dog (army) [05:43]
mircea_popescu well i suspect the eating part was metaphorical. [05:43]
mircea_popescu tho... you never know with this nut. [05:44]
Vexual can he fiz a tyre? [05:44]
asciilifeform people tell me guard dogs still end up on the rotisserie now and again. [05:44]
mircea_popescu we never had a flat so far. [05:44]
Mats_cd03 i dont understand why you would eat dog instead of all the other animals in existence [05:45]
Vexual that was a typo, but the question stands, jason statham stylee [05:45]
mircea_popescu mike_c i owe you an atc. [05:45]
Mats_cd03 its not as though theyre particularly tasty [05:45]
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mircea_popescu Mats_cd03 to make a point [05:45]
mike_c i'll get an address and let you know. [05:45]
michiel_l_ midnightmagic mikaeldice mike_c MiningBuddy- mircea_popescu mius mixdio [05:45]
michiel_l_ midnightmagic mikaeldice mike_c MiningBuddy- mircea_popescu mius mixdio [05:45]
mircea_popescu mike_c not that i have any yet ;/ a-hole miners ain't selling [05:45]
Vexual ill pay [05:45]
mike_c too many hoarders! [05:45]
mircea_popescu you got some v ? [05:46]
asciilifeform Mats_cd03: because the 'grandpas' (conscripts close to getting their walking papers) ate yer dinner, and the red army conveniently provided you with a dog. [05:46]
Mats_cd03 truly man's greatest companion [05:46]
Vexual yah [05:46]
mircea_popescu Vexual pay the man! [05:46]
Vexual im pretty sure you can make a adkey like bitcoin? [05:47]
nubbins` oh yeah, i forgot [05:47]
nubbins` vexual is huge into atc isn't he? [05:47]
mircea_popescu i have no idea. [05:47]
Vexual yeah man i found 8 blocks [05:47]
nubbins` nice [05:47]
nubbins` congrats [05:47]
nubbins` that's altmazing [05:47]
Vexual its supersceded my single radeon now [05:48]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00092143 = 12.5314 BTC [-] [05:48]
mircea_popescu what's diff like ? [05:48]
nubbins` grown up already [05:48]
Vexual dunno i gave up [05:48]
nubbins` mircea_popescu, apparently btcguild merge-mines it now [05:48]
Vexual altname>? [05:49]
nubbins` i kid ;( [05:49]
mircea_popescu My thesis about taper is that the banks in the U.S. had mortgage bonds on their books probably close to the tune of a trillion dollars that they could not sell to anyone. It was dead money, and they had to write them off somehow. The problem with writing off close to a trillion dollars’ worth of mortgage bonds that were held in all the U.S. banks is that kind of money is probably more than the total market capitali [05:49]
mircea_popescu zation of the U.S. banking industry. So, they had to figure a way to get those mortgage bonds off the books of the banks and silo them somewhere without basically admitting that the U.S. banking system was insolvent.” [05:49]
mircea_popescu (Rob Kirby) [05:49]
Mats_cd03 the eurozone is about to experience the same thing are they not [05:50]
nubbins` the history of us banking is pretty much "we had to figure out how to pretend we didn't shit the bed" [05:50]
Mats_cd03 i recall something on reuters, although min was 1bln rather than 1t [05:50]
mircea_popescu basically, the fed has about 2-3 trillion worth of dead money in its 4trn balance sheet. [05:50]
nubbins` "maybe if we make it illegal to own white sheets" etc [05:50]
mircea_popescu nubbins` central banking, yes. [05:50]
Vexual whois bonds for bitcoin [05:50]
mircea_popescu Mats_cd03 not quite. no eu fed, fortunately. [05:50]
mod6 atc diff: 16384.00000000 [05:51]
nubbins` bank of canada governor got hired by the bank of england a while ago [05:51]
mircea_popescu mod6 whoa that setlltes the bet. [05:51]
nubbins` summer i think [05:51]
mod6 wow: "blocks" : 15753 [05:52]
mod6 was at like ~12000 on saturday [05:52]
mircea_popescu only ?! [05:52]
mircea_popescu can't be 15k get out. [05:52]
Vexual even [05:52]
mod6 but diff was 4096 then too [05:52]
Mats_cd03 mircea_popescu: [05:53]
Mats_cd03 so...not at all like what i was thinking about [05:53]
mircea_popescu Mats_cd03 "exposure to emerging markets" != "money nobody is ever repaying, period". [05:53]
mircea_popescu yes, i get it, the us is trying to create a periphery crisis to (yet again) shift the focus. [05:53]
mircea_popescu the previous attempts didn't work, as nobody really cares what the english press is saying outside of the us space anyway. [05:54]
mircea_popescu it's mostly a case of a guy with terminal cancer inventing sneezes and other health emergencies in the hospital staff. [05:55]
Mats_cd03 im curious to see how the power dynamic between the us and china changes as the chinese move into a consumption phase [05:55]
Vexual lol consumption phase [05:55]
mircea_popescu the chinese ain't moving into the consumption phase tho [05:55]
Vexual they couldnt slow growth if they nuked bejing [05:55]
mircea_popescu they might have, maybe, unlikely. this crisis is saving them from it for suire. [05:55]
Mats_cd03 a friend of mine who designs env filtration systems told me some good stories about china [05:56]
Mats_cd03 he was there this last year for six months in the north, and apparently everything is literally polluted [05:57]
Mats_cd03 e.g. in the touristy areas of beijing/shanghai they sometimes spray the grass green [05:57]
Vexual welsome to earth [05:57]
nubbins` !t h hif [05:57]
assbot [HAVELOCK:HIF] 1D: 0.00044000 / 0.00049062 / 0.00050000 (9498 shares, 4.65993879 BTC), 7D: 0.00040500 / 0.00046139 / 0.00050000 (21474 shares, 9.90794302 BTC), 30D: 0.00038011 / 0.00046314 / 0.00050000 (94276 shares, 43.66333216 BTC) [05:58]
Mats_cd03 there was also a good one about pigs being poisoned by some feed or other [05:58]
Mats_cd03 which he happened to see driving by a local river [05:58]
Mats_cd03 said pigs were floating in the dozens downstream [05:58]
Mats_cd03 i wish i had gotten that photo from him... [05:59]
asciilifeform 'patience is to sit on a river bank and wait for the corpse of your enemy to come floating by' [05:59]
Mats_cd03 .cn farmer said fuck it i'll just dump these pig bodies into the water and try again [05:59]
Mats_cd03 he claims literally every single source of water in china is polluted [06:00]
nubbins` "If you go to that subreddit [doge] people don't know what the fark they are doing but it doesn't matter--they are tipping, they are giving to charity, they are having FUN. Everyone is friendly and very excited--it's a very stark contrast to here. There seems to be a lot of new crypto users joining there instead of here. A LOT of new crypto users." [06:00]
CryptFox Where's captian planet when you need him most? [06:01]
nubbins` not sure if srs [06:01]
Vexual how was morocco? [06:01]
mircea_popescu delurking lurkers say the strangest things [06:01]
nubbins` lovely [06:01]
nubbins` the countryside was nice [06:01]
nubbins` in particular [06:01]
Vexual no doubt, did they put you to work? [06:01]
asciilifeform meat in the sun, plenty of little users! wings a-buzzing. [06:01]
mircea_popescu nubbins` crushing doge is a lot of fun, for sure. [06:01]
nubbins` too hot for work [06:01]
nubbins` guy is on the verge of tears because btc isn't taking lessons from doge [06:02]
mircea_popescu because totally "crypto user" = fucktard saying words on rettardit. [06:02]
nubbins` /r/bitcoin is all grown-uppy and boring now [06:02]
nubbins` and mathy [06:02]
mircea_popescu and besides, we want more fucktards so desperately. like, not enough, must have more. [06:02]
nubbins` ^ [06:03]
nubbins` a thousand times ^ [06:03]
mircea_popescu "mpoe-pr is mean, we will all go to glbse and mpex will sink because you need US!!!1" [06:03]
mircea_popescu glbse sinks [06:03]
mircea_popescu "mpoe-pr is mean, we will all go to btct and mpex will sink because you need US!!!1" [06:03]
nubbins` Vexual, i met a norwegian guy one day in a village [06:03]
mircea_popescu btct closes [06:03]
mircea_popescu etc. [06:03]
nubbins` was checking out this place that produces argan oil [06:04]
nubbins` "this shit smells like hash" [06:04]
Vexual no doubt [06:04]
nubbins` but in fact it was the norwegian guy's fat draw that smelled like hash [06:04]
nubbins` made more sense then [06:04]
Vexual wheres my ship? [06:04]
Vexual north brah, north [06:04]
nubbins` [06:05]
ozbot John Lee Hooker & Van Morrison - I Cover The Waterfront - YouTube [06:05]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00092112 = 16.5802 BTC [-] [06:05]
nubbins` your ship had trouble with the fog [06:05]
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Mats_cd03 i'm watching a natgeo program called Bomb Hunters [06:11]
nubbins` [06:11]
ozbot Whisky and wieners paired for NLC promo - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News [06:11]
Mats_cd03 quite good [06:11]
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Vexual [06:13]
ozbot The Save, by Jeff Lang - YouTube [06:13]
Vexual to satoshi [06:15]
Vexual and all kde haters [06:18]
Vexual not guatamalian enough? [06:20]
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ozbot Phil Collins - Sussudio (Official Video) - YouTube [06:25]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1199 @ 0.00082007 = 0.9833 BTC [-] {13} [06:25]
mod6 srsly Vexual? [06:26]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1301 @ 0.00079993 = 1.0407 BTC [-] {2} [06:26]
Vexual serious [06:27]
mod6 Suss-suss-cereal [06:27]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 62 @ 0.002984 = 0.185 BTC [+] [06:30]
Vexual [06:30]
ozbot Icy Blu - Pump It (Nice An' Hard) - YouTube [06:30]
mircea_popescu [06:31]
ozbot [ANN] KRAKEN.COM - Exchange Now Open with USD, EUR, BTC, LTC, XRP, NMC [06:31]
mircea_popescu holy shit. [06:31]
mircea_popescu kraken fucks up to a massive degree ;/ [06:31]
Vexual yeah you get squid [06:32]
mircea_popescu dude after all the futzing they did with betas and everyhing... i'm dissapointed [06:32]
mircea_popescu i was srsly expecting much more of this troop. [06:32]
mircea_popescu and to top it off it looks like they can't cover the ~1mn damage and are splitting. [06:32]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla << you're the fool, yo! [06:33]
Vexual this is why bricks and mortar casions explain their position with a taste of asphalt [06:35]
mircea_popescu why bother ? [06:36]
mircea_popescu asphalt is expensive, Mats_cd03 has to clean it afterwards etc. [06:36]
Vexual well in a physical environment they start to smell [06:36]
asciilifeform the beauty of btc is that lusers mix their own cement. [06:36]
mircea_popescu too true. [06:36]
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Vexual on the internet siz weeks without a show aint shit [06:40]
Vexual im channeling ghosts coz that said six showers when i typed it [06:41]
Vexual what colour is goats shirt? [06:42]
Vexual 1 atc for answer [06:43]
Vexual zuric i win [06:43]
Vexual mice_c you got an ad yet? [06:44]
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Vexual mike_c ive got shit to do [06:46]
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mike_c not yet. i'm sure we'll bump into each other again. [06:46]
Vexual a bc add will suffice i think [06:47]
Vexual this aint lc [06:47]
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Vexual markov says tommorrow wont do [06:49]
mircea_popescu lmao [06:50]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 25 @ 0.03400098 = 0.85 BTC [+] {5} [06:53]
mike_c btc is good? then 18B61TqudC7pwqHP1J52eJwYx7ycwFtV2p [06:53]
Vexual i think so [06:54]
Vexual nooone knows [06:54]
Vexual you own the privkey? [06:56]
mike_c um, yes? [06:56]
Vexual very good mr hunt [06:56]
Vexual sent [06:57]
Mats_cd03 you have A(D),10(S) pre-flop what do you do [06:58]
Mats_cd03 flop is 10JQ (D/S/S) do you play and what are your chances on 1) flush or 2) straight [06:59]
Vexual play the ace [07:00]
mike_c thanks vex. now i am diversified. [07:01]
ThickAsThieves "shipping after Feb 8th. AntMiner U1 is an USB miner with 1 BM1380 chip. Rated 1.6 GH/s, 2 watt power from the USB port." [07:01]
mircea_popescu lmao diversified. [07:01]
ThickAsThieves after Feb 8th, perfect! [07:02]
mircea_popescu Mats_cd03 you fold. [07:02]
ThickAsThieves 500 units for 18 btc [07:02]
Vexual external power s dont count [07:03]
Mats_cd03 good answer, you fold [07:03]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49250 @ 0.00092714 = 45.6616 BTC [+] {3} [07:04]
Mats_cd03 playing A10 unsuited is bad, i wouldnt even play A10 suited if i was down [07:04]
Vexual i assumed the suit was favourable [07:05]
ThickAsThieves [07:08]
ThickAsThieves [07:08]
Mats_cd03 i forget what the odds are on a straight [07:09]
Mats_cd03 but with a flush if there are 4 out on flop then your chances are 1/3 river+turn [07:09]
mike_c really? [07:09]
Mats_cd03 i read it in a book once [07:10]
Vexual gotta look in the eyes [07:12]
Vexual [07:12]
ozbot Damian & Stephen Marley & Inner Circle - Smoke Gets In My Eyes (original version) - YouTube [07:12]
Vexual otherwise play the ace [07:15]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 420 @ 0.002984 = 1.2533 BTC [+] [07:15]
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Vexual poker is raerely won on odds [07:16]
Mats_cd03 against scrubs, maybe [07:16]
Vexual seals fucker? [07:16]
Mats_cd03 i subscribe to the four levels of poker [07:16]
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Vexual do tell [07:16]
Mats_cd03 1) playing the cards 2) playing the opposition 3) playing what you think the opposition has 4) playing based on what you believe the opposition believes you hold [07:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 80 @ 0.04178024 = 3.3424 BTC [-] {8} [07:17]
Vexual its more of a cham,pur tho no? [07:17]
Mats_cd03 wut [07:18]
Vexual le mis? [07:18]
mike_c 5) play based on what the opposition believes you believe the opposition believes you hold [07:18]
Vexual *le mix? [07:18]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 60 @ 0.02998996 = 1.7994 BTC [+] {6} [07:18]
ThickAsThieves 6) Go with your gut [07:18]
Mats_cd03 too many levels, i'm falling off a bridge into a lake from inside a van [07:18]
ThickAsThieves so the USG takes over money transfer via the Post Office? [07:19]
Mats_cd03 i like that [07:20]
ThickAsThieves kill off Western Union [07:20]
Vexual ive already told matty im playing every ace, so hes behind [07:20]
ThickAsThieves at least then they keep more tx in their purview [07:20]
ThickAsThieves dirty up them coins real good [07:21]
Vexual [07:21]
ozbot Matty B - Fridays - YouTube [07:21]
Mats_cd03 western union is worse than aids [07:22]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 11 @ 0.02969 = 0.3266 BTC [-] [07:22]
Vexual goodles not looking to implelent wu [07:22]
ThickAsThieves what the price of tea in china in bitcoin? [07:23]
Vexual or do you mean you're not sure if you got it or not? [07:23]
ThickAsThieves aids? [07:24]
mircea_popescu 7) you are the god of poker so just play whatever you feel like [07:24]
ThickAsThieves nah i'm clean [07:24]
Vexual 0.0001 per refil? [07:24]
mircea_popescu and it'll sort out in the end [07:24]
Vexual 7 has it [07:24]
Vexual yeah wester union is like aids coz you dont know if you got it [07:24]
Vexual and otherways not so much [07:25]
Mats_cd03 no theres no subtext wu just sucks [07:26]
Vexual yeah, wait 6 weeks for nothing special [07:26]
Vexual a-holes [07:27]
Mats_cd03 i dont get why it costs so much or takes so long [07:27]
Mats_cd03 theyre flipping bits and manning retail locations [07:27]
Mats_cd03 what a genius, hateful business model [07:28]
Vexual [07:31]
ozbot Jacob Miller - Tenement Yard - YouTube [07:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18900 @ 0.00092763 = 17.5322 BTC [+] [07:31]
ThickAsThieves speed just isnt as profitable for them [07:32]
ThickAsThieves of course soon it will be [07:32]
Vexual will they start sending bc? [07:32]
ThickAsThieves i suspect they se it coming [07:32]
ThickAsThieves see [07:32]
ThickAsThieves when? [07:33]
ThickAsThieves when their lawyers say ok [07:33]
Vexual meanwhile google has already tooled up wallet [07:34]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 300 @ 0.0005 = 0.15 BTC [-] [07:35]
Vexual because matercard lawyers [07:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.111 BTC [-] [07:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC [07:36]
Vexual and satoshi prevails [07:36]
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Vexual its well clever [07:40]
Mats_cd03 when 99% of your revenue is from ads, you can do wutever you want [07:40]
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Vexual knowing what kind of shampoo i use aint no ace [07:41]
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Vexual for everything else, theres bitcoin [07:46]
mod6 :] [07:47]
ThickAsThieves for the altcoiner who has everything, bitcoin [07:48]
ThickAsThieves for the altcoiner who has everything, Altcoin* [07:48]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18084 @ 0.00092588 = 16.7436 BTC [-] [07:49]
mircea_popescu lol [07:49]
ThickAsThieves so does this coingeninator have any hope of existing? [07:49]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves [07:49]
mircea_popescu you got your work cut out for you. [07:49]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves actually, yes [07:50]
jayk nope [07:50]
jayk ;o [07:51]
mircea_popescu ". For many people, Bitcoin is the first time they experienced a paradigm shift in a very long time. It's exciting to have your world rocked, but Bitcoin is not a casting call for paradigm-shifters" [07:51]
mircea_popescu dude i love you. [07:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00092763 = 3.1539 BTC [+] [07:52]
Vexual doeth fridcats trading system exist at all yet? [07:53]
* ThickAsThieves blushes [07:54]
ThickAsThieves it exists [07:54]
ThickAsThieves i dont really know why they dont implement [07:55]
ThickAsThieves i think its a horrible idea [07:55]
ThickAsThieves maybe they came to same realization [07:55]
Vexual well you would [07:55]
ThickAsThieves no, all bias aside for reals [07:55]
ThickAsThieves FC doesnt want more customer service [07:55]
herbijudlestoids trollsaywhat! [07:55]
ThickAsThieves (i assume) [07:56]
Vexual yeah [07:56]
Vexual whod be a pimp huh? [07:58]
Namworld Advertising on BitBet is good. I'd recommend. [08:01]
mircea_popescu o srsly ? [08:01]
Namworld Why, yes [08:01]
mircea_popescu cool [08:01]
mircea_popescu i was just wondering how it works in report footnotes :p [08:01]
Namworld footnotes? [08:02]
mircea_popescu [08:03]
ozbot BitBet, January 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [08:03]
mircea_popescu and with that my dear chitlins i bid you a very good laters! [08:04]
* Now talking on #bitcoin-assets [14:51]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: || - most days worth reading || - all days worth reading [14:51]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Nov 27 22:34:53 2013 [14:51]
jurov as long as it tastes good i can't be bothered if there's meat or no [14:51]
truffles dont u dislike when uve done something, it has updated now u have to refigure out how it works! [14:51]
truffles +1 jurov [14:51]
mircea_popescu that's like bisexuality. "as long as i feel good i don't care if there's meat or not" [14:52]
jurov oh, that' more like pansexuality [14:52]
truffles 0.0 [14:52]
mircea_popescu i guess so. [14:52]
mircea_popescu s/meat/manmeat [14:52]
jurov truffles and what i have to refigure? [14:53]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.13585714 = 0.951 BTC [-] {4} [14:53]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC [14:53]
truffles i do not u ldo [14:54]
truffles its like playing chess again in years [14:54]
truffles id like to complete this chess thing asap [14:54]
truffles nubbins......... [14:54]
jurov good things come to those who wait [14:54]
BingoBoingo truffles: play nubbins' yet? Has Namworld? [14:55]
truffles i dont know [14:55]
truffles if it doesnt happen soon im gonna be like watevz [14:55]
mircea_popescu diametric re the structure and hierarchy discussion : consider this problem [14:55]
truffles rather play speed chess [14:55]
mircea_popescu strictly an artefact of the flat national state. does not exist in sane environments. [14:55]
mircea_popescu and it is fundamentally not a scam, but an example of structure ATTACKING flatness. [14:56]
truffles is that your manual mp? [14:56]
truffles must be juicy read [14:56]
mircea_popescu structure is being reconstructed, which at the very far edge of course looks quite immoral. everything does. the civilising of barbarians, be they africans or 5 year olds, the birth of capitaism, [14:56]
mircea_popescu all attacks of a complex, superior system upon a primitive look like rape. in a sense they are. [14:56]
mircea_popescu in that sense, rape is the best thing that can ever happen to the victim. [14:57]
truffles sigh [14:57]
mircea_popescu converse attacks, where flatness attacks structure, can't even exist. [14:58]
kakobrekla hahahhahaha [14:58]
kakobrekla what the fuck [14:58]
mircea_popescu ThickerThanThiev ^ [14:58]
kakobrekla Dear Crypto Street Customers, [14:58]
kakobrekla This is the final notice for you to withdraw any funds that you may have remaining on Crypto Street. Effective February 28th, all remaining funds will be lost forever and donated away. So please login and withdraw any coins in your account. Big news is coming, but for now we need to take care of these house keeping details. [14:58]
kakobrekla Sincerely, [14:58]
kakobrekla Shamoon [14:58]
mircea_popescu whoa ? [14:58]
mircea_popescu you had funds on cryptostreet ?! [14:59]
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kakobrekla sometimes i think you dont know me any more [14:59]
truffles everything must go [14:59]
kakobrekla ofc i did not [14:59]
mircea_popescu lol [14:59]
kakobrekla i was however bashing them on the forums [14:59]
kakobrekla when they lauched [14:59]
kakobrekla and was the slanderous soul [14:59]
kakobrekla HOW DARE YOU KAKO !! [15:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.24310363 = 1.2155 BTC [15:00]
mircea_popescu it's prolly your fault they did it. [15:00]
kakobrekla whats important is that im the bad guy [15:00]
kakobrekla everywhere and always [15:00]
jurov you should have silenced them with boobs, like mpoe does [15:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29400 @ 0.00092566 = 27.2144 BTC [-] {3} [15:01]
mircea_popescu jurov indeed. being in the minority always helps. [15:01]
mircea_popescu (on the internet i mean) [15:01]
kakobrekla latest from slovenia zoo: lynx ate a chamois [15:02]
mircea_popescu wait why !? [15:02]
kakobrekla cause fense got torn down [15:02]
kakobrekla falling trees [15:02]
mircea_popescu i wonder how hungry a lynx has to get before it eats the chamois [15:02]
kakobrekla dunno [15:03]
kakobrekla they said they gave them more than normal amts of food [15:03]
kakobrekla in order to prevent such things [15:03]
mircea_popescu does look kinda juicy... [15:03]
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mircea_popescu << i can't believe there's like 4 btc bet on who will be the president of slovakia [15:04]
ozbot BitBet - Fico will be elected President of Slovakia [15:04]
mircea_popescu watch that by 2016 the us pres election fails to gather that much attention. [15:05]
jurov this is how boob silencing is done irl: [15:05]
mircea_popescu and it will be one of the funniest things in the entire history of btc / the century. [15:05]
mircea_popescu jurov couple old boobs keep talkin at each other ? [15:06]
jurov wait 10sec [15:06]
mircea_popescu ofeljie... [15:06]
mircea_popescu that sounds EXACTLY like o felie, which in romanian means "one loaf" [15:06]
mircea_popescu ahaha next scene [15:08]
mircea_popescu why the fuck has miss bdsm got 3 watches on ? [15:08]
jurov it was 1990s [15:09]
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mircea_popescu lol [15:11]
mircea_popescu so what, she's a psychotic prostitute you gotta pay in watches ? [15:11]
mircea_popescu one per number ? [15:11]
jurov dunno.. cezch film, you know, [15:12]
davout her teeth... [15:12]
mircea_popescu davout it's clearly paint. [15:12]
mircea_popescu i like how there's all the shitty halfcountries represented here. romania but no hungary, slovakia but no czech, slovenia but no croatia etc. [15:13]
kakobrekla erm [15:14]
mircea_popescu :D [15:14]
kakobrekla its the croatia that is the half county [15:14]
kakobrekla for the rest, i dont care. [15:14]
mircea_popescu my sarcasm! ehehehe [15:14]
kakobrekla :) [15:15]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40100 @ 0.0009302 = 37.301 BTC [+] {4} [15:15]
mircea_popescu if teh other romanians find out i said that about hungary ima have protests at the front door [15:15]
kakobrekla :D [15:15]
mircea_popescu course, what do tghey know of btc anyway. [15:15]
jurov ukraine needs to split too, we'll get more ppl here [15:16]
mircea_popescu maybe there's a guy from transnistria going "he-he-he" in his head right now. [15:16]
pankkake amazing security [15:17]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [15:17]
ozbot [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] [15:17]
mircea_popescu wait, still with this ?! [15:17]
mircea_popescu who was that dude going on about how art should be tyrant and there should be no memory ? [15:17]
davout pankkake: LOL [15:18]
mircea_popescu cause srsly, he's like the gold bugs : all his life preaching, now we're doing it and somehow he doesn't know about it. [15:18]
mircea_popescu "If you don't think these are a steal you haven't researched the company. [15:19]
mircea_popescu This price values us at a meagre 12 million USD for the entire 25mill shares." [15:19]
mircea_popescu so much win. [15:19]
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pankkake getting logged as another user is actually a common bug, usually bad session rng [15:20]
mircea_popescu guy never saw a 10k bundle in his life, "meagre 12mn" [15:20]
kakobrekla [15:20]
ozbot Footage released of Guardian editors destroying Snowden hard drives | UK news | [15:20]
kakobrekla drill the gpu [15:20]
mircea_popescu welcome to the internet kakobrekla. glad you got your power back. skip 3 days of "news" nao :D [15:20]
pankkake no backups? [15:20]
kakobrekla lol [15:21]
Duffer1 if he's not a sock for ken himself then i get to look forward to commiserating with another scam victim [15:21]
kakobrekla im going back dark mp [15:21]
kakobrekla soon [15:21]
mircea_popescu how come ? [15:21]
mircea_popescu Duffer1 he sounds too stupid to ever admit it [15:21]
kakobrekla well the word is they will START to fix my area on SUNDAY [15:21]
mircea_popescu odds are he'll dump more of his meagre 0.000001 million on some other scammer. [15:21]
kakobrekla until then my house is powerless [15:21]
Duffer1 you're not wrong [15:21]
mircea_popescu dude, seriously, come here. what's the big deal ? rent a place for a month, then go back. [15:22]
kakobrekla now im at another place in ljubljana [15:22]
mircea_popescu life is all about cheating. [15:22]
mircea_popescu ok, so they losing power too ? [15:22]
kakobrekla no, all is ok here, but i need to go back home to take care of some stuff [15:23]
mircea_popescu fuck the stuff, who cares. it's just stuff. [15:23]
mircea_popescu [15:23]
ozbot George Carlin Talks About "Stuff" - YouTube [15:23]
kakobrekla well, the lifes of people are invovled [15:23]
kakobrekla lives [15:24]
mircea_popescu o [15:24]
kakobrekla then ill come back here [15:25]
kakobrekla either today late or tomorrow [15:25]
kakobrekla until sunday or something. [15:25]
mircea_popescu aite. [15:26]
mircea_popescu seriously look at 1 month sort of arrangements now. [15:26]
mircea_popescu you're better off wasting 0.2 BTC worth of rents [15:26]
mircea_popescu than having to patchwork twice every week [15:26]
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kakobrekla the money is not the problem [15:26]
mircea_popescu right. [15:27]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.24310363 = 2.1879 BTC [15:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.0475 = 0.19 BTC [+] {2} [15:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00092526 = 18.9678 BTC [-] [15:34]
kakobrekla [15:37]
kakobrekla >Discuss with fellow investors [15:37]
kakobrekla investors. [15:37]
davout hah [15:37]
pankkake it's honest and transparent [15:38]
davout i can't recall the name of the site that did the exact same thing in 2010 [15:38]
davout MAYBE I GOT A PAYOUT ! [15:38]
davout wait [15:38]
davout what we need is a provably fair ponzi [15:39]
davout oh wait [15:39]
pankkake it already is, I think [15:40]
davout yes [15:40]
davout i didn't realize the addy was static [15:40]
mircea_popescu i didn't realise static addies were usable or useful. [15:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12650 @ 0.0009296 = 11.7594 BTC [+] [15:40]
mircea_popescu << speaking of "deer in the headlights" [15:42]
kakobrekla looks like farting position [15:43]
davout doesn't look like they're resending from the same address tho [15:44]
mircea_popescu hahaha farting position [15:44]
kakobrekla 14:43.58 ( Ken` ) 8:43 AM [11:52] MagicalTux: why can't we see the raw transactions anymore on ? [15:44]
kakobrekla 14:43.59 ( Ken` ) 8:43 AM [11:53] <@MagicalTux> BitCoroner, because phantomcircuit found a security issue with showing this [15:44]
mircea_popescu i didn't know girls farted. [15:44]
kakobrekla konspiraci [15:44]
mircea_popescu lol wait. wut !? phantomcircuit FINDS security holes ? [15:44]
mircea_popescu i thought he just makes them [15:44]
davout mircea_popescu: they usually start a couple weeks after marriage [15:45]
kakobrekla at this point i think phantom has all gox btc [15:45]
mircea_popescu davout i once heard anal sex momentarily paralyzes the colon. so if you do her in the pooper three times a month... [15:45]
mircea_popescu no farting. [15:45]
davout heh [15:45]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla that's a great move, seeing how well he handled bitcoinica. the only reasonable explanation, being, of course, that "all mtgox btc" = ~18.5 ALT [15:46]
kakobrekla the refunded the broken txes but now the success rate of making a withdrawal is even lower, down to 25% [15:46]
kakobrekla they* [15:46]
kakobrekla just what im hearing [15:46]
mircea_popescu (i wonder how many people noticed the general pattern where people start doing deals with known scammers putting them in a fiduciary capacity as they're preparing to plausibly-deniably close up shop) [15:46]
Duffer1 more about ActM - turns out trading for shares is open, on Crypto-Trade, but only one person has shares to sell, Ken, 200,000 at .0005 [15:47]
Duffer1 everyone is being kept waiting while he dumps [15:47]
mircea_popescu Duffer1 d'oh. [15:47]
mircea_popescu much competition for mpex such wow etc. [15:47]
Duffer1 hehe [15:47]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.24310363 = 1.9448 BTC [15:49]
mircea_popescu fun fact : mtgox is pretty much the last remaining thing since the days before mpoe/mpex iirc. [15:50]
kakobrekla fun fact: bitstamp is getting sold [15:52]
Duffer1 who bought? panama fund? [15:52]
mircea_popescu who's buying ? [15:52]
kakobrekla i dont know who since even this fact that its being sold was leaked but i do know the supposed date [15:53]
jurov inb4 nejc bought private jet [15:54]
jurov i hope he won't sell it to panama :D [15:54]
BingoBoingo Prolly sold BitStamp to jimmothy [15:54]
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Duffer1 ah jimmothy [15:55]
Duffer1 i have taken to trolling him via haiku, i hope he keeps posting, i have more [15:55]
mircea_popescu Duffer1 he's really a poster child of 2013 retardation. i've had his history reviewed, he's pretty much all about all the wrong choices. [15:56]
mircea_popescu funny how people manage this, it fascinates me. [15:57]
mircea_popescu total dividend asicminer may still be paying ? "Just based off last years profit maybe another 200k btc" [15:57]
pankkake [15:58]
Duffer1 o.0 [15:58]
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mircea_popescu "Hoping colored coins takes off. I've heard mastercoin has a few cool features but that doesn't matter if its centralized." [15:58]
mircea_popescu it's just a brainfuckfest with him, i wish i understood how is it that people can never, absolutely never, no matter what happens make all the right choices, [15:58]
mircea_popescu yet about 1/3 of the population regularly makes all the wrong choices. [15:59]
mircea_popescu not most. all. [15:59]
kakobrekla inb4 NiggerCoin [15:59]
mircea_popescu this sounds like it shouldn't happen, statistically. [15:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10557 @ 0.00092526 = 9.768 BTC [-] [16:01]
kakobrekla [16:01]
ozbot Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock] [16:01]
pankkake you're just trying to get banned while you can't internets [16:02]
kakobrekla speaking of, im outtahere [16:02]
kakobrekla later dudes. [16:02]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11568 @ 0.000925 = 10.7004 BTC [-] {2} [16:11]
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mircea_popescu meanwhile [16:19]
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pankkake $50?! [16:21]
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mircea_popescu well how much do you think it is. [16:22]
davout yeah that sounded cheap [16:22]
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pankkake if I was her brother I'd be mad too, she can't sell herself properly [16:23]
mircea_popescu you seriously think going rate for avg junior hs tail is > $50 ?! [16:23]
BingoBoingo Maybe she figures she can gross more by bringing in volume? [16:24]
pankkake wouldn't underage at least provide a premium? [16:24]
davout why you gonna arbitrage it? [16:24]
mircea_popescu pankkake no. she doesn't know the buz. [16:25]
mircea_popescu but srsly, i think bitcoin has fucked with your heads to the degree you have no idea what work money commands. [16:25]
mircea_popescu $50 is a WEEK worth of bussing/dishwashing for the average mexican yo. [16:25]
mircea_popescu she gets it in half an hour. [16:25]
mircea_popescu in any major town there are literally hundreds of thousands of women under 30 living in places paid-for by the government, getting free food. [16:26]
mircea_popescu you think they click on lolpics all day liek teh boys ?! [16:26]
BingoBoingo Point taken [16:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3500 @ 0.000129 = 0.4515 BTC [+] [16:30]
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herbijud1estoids hullo [16:33]
BingoBoingo Oh looky, who called this out in the Silk Road aftermath [16:33]
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herbijud1estoids so i have enough datapoints (assuming the ddos didnt disrupt my timeseries too much -- looks like it didnt) for a simple mean reversion model which works well in markets without market-makers/specialists/HFT bots [16:33]
herbijud1estoids anyone wanna see? [16:34]
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herbijud1estoids data isnt fresh (from ~12h ago) but the idea is buy MPOE below 50 and sell above [16:35]
ozbot imgur: the simple image sharer [16:35]
herbijud1estoids if there was options you could build a synthetic short [16:36]
herbijud1estoids i dont have enough datapoints yet to build the accompanying regime filter which tells you when market conditions are good or not for this model [16:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.0009211 = 12.3427 BTC [-] {2} [16:36]
herbijud1estoids but it looks like the trading is so 'pure' that it might not be necessary :P [16:37]
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KRS- ,bait [16:41]
ThickerThanThiev [16:41]
ozbot Bitcoinj 0.11 released : Bitcoin [16:41]
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herbijud1estoids nobody care :( [16:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00091992 = 7.2674 BTC [-] [16:47]
ThickAsThieves [16:49]
ozbot Only Your Heartbeat Can Unlock This Bitcoin Wallet | Wired Enterprise | [16:49]
herbijud1estoids also mircea_popescu i tried to query do a STAT with pympex but it didnt work, said i need to sign the key (which i obviously did), are you *sure* i dont need an account to run the queries? [16:49]
davout you need an account to stat [16:50]
ThickAsThieves stat tells you whats in your account, sooooo [16:50]
herbijud1estoids and stat is the only command that gives you the trade histories, right? [16:51]
davout it gives you yours [16:51]
ThickAsThieves kako sells data feed access [16:51]
herbijud1estoids he told me it was from 2012 [16:52]
ThickAsThieves i mean live [16:52]
mircea_popescu herbijud1estoids [16:52]
mircea_popescu you can get the mkt depth and vwap feeds w/o any account [16:53]
mircea_popescu $vwap X.EUR [16:53]
mpexbot mircea_popescu: X.EUR 1 day: no data 7 day: average: 0.00166971 high: 0.00170089 low: 0.00166114 volume: 3200 btc: 5.343075 30 day: average: 0.00178882 high: 0.002 low: 0.0016245 volume: 21739 btc: 38.88705537 [16:53]
mircea_popescu $depth X.EUR [16:53]
mpexbot mircea_popescu: X.EUR Bids: ['1200 @ 0.00166251', '4200 @ 0.0016245', '100 @ 0.00153846', '1000 @ 0.001', '100000 @ 0.0009945'] [16:53]
mircea_popescu same thing the bot gets. [16:53]
mpexbot mircea_popescu: Asks: ['1061 @ 0.00168488', '2200 @ 0.001773', '1350 @ 0.0019975'] [16:53]
herbijud1estoids ThickAsThieves: [16:53]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo dunno, do i count ? [16:54]
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mircea_popescu herbijud1estoids 50 what, 50k satoshi ? [16:54]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1450 @ 0.00092056 = 1.3348 BTC [+] [16:54]
herbijud1estoids mircea_popescu: no as in when the model is reporting a number below 50 you buy at market and when it goes above 50 you sell at market [16:55]
mircea_popescu a a yes i see. [16:55]
herbijud1estoids MPOE is probly the only stock in the world valued at its current value that you could do this on the microstructure without living in the interesting is that! [16:55]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Of course [16:55]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves an "only your orgasm shrieks can unlock this wallet" would be moar better. [16:55]
mircea_popescu herbijud1estoids bitcoin revolutionizes finance, if well implemented by people with a clue you say ? [16:56]
mircea_popescu fuck me, i'm like shocked. [16:56]
herbijud1estoids well, i dunno if it will last obviously [16:56]
herbijud1estoids but for now its the case [16:56]
herbijud1estoids at some point someone will come in and trade this with volume until the returns are close to cost of capital [16:56]
mircea_popescu me either, but still. [16:56]
mircea_popescu what is "cost of capital" ? [16:57]
jurov herbijud1estoids: wait till you want to start actually talking to mpex's congenial interface [16:57]
jurov or savy yourself the suffering and talk to me first ;) [16:57]
herbijud1estoids mircea_popescu: different for different investors, but basically whatever it cost you :P [16:57]
herbijud1estoids if you think you have an edge and borrow a million dollars at 3% to implement an algo that trades this, then obviously your cost of capital is 3%+R&D [16:58]
ThickAsThieves reminds me of a question [16:58]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1648 @ 0.00012 = 0.1978 BTC [-] {3} [16:58]
ThickAsThieves in Kelly criterion, what do you do given infinite EV propositions? [16:59]
mircea_popescu herbijud1estoids my point being that we have a serious problem in this space with that (and other) basic numbers. [16:59]
herbijud1estoids jurov: i really dont have the time to push this much further than i already am with work and other projects but if i get motivated and time i will definitely appreciate any help [16:59]
mircea_popescu according to mpbor it's something crazy like 1k% a year. [16:59]
mircea_popescu according to discounted future cash flow approach it's maybe 0.01% a year. [16:59]
BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves: With a time machine [17:00]
mircea_popescu accorfding to the largest stock in the marketplace it's more like 0.5 - 0.2% a year [17:00]
herbijud1estoids ThickAsThieves: i would check the model to make sure its not broken and if not probly trade on a volatility adjusted level...i like ~15%/pa STDDEV [17:00]
mircea_popescu that sort of divergenge can only be interpreted to mean there's turbulence. [17:00]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves in the universe in which the kelly criterion is meaningful, infinite ev is not possible. [17:00]
mircea_popescu review the article, it's seminal. [17:01]
ThickAsThieves word [17:01]
mircea_popescu otherwise in practical terms his heuristic sounds reasonable, [17:01]
mircea_popescu subject to parameter adjustment for your own convenience. [17:01]
herbijud1estoids MPBOR...the MP bank offered rate? [17:02]
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mircea_popescu herbijud1estoids yeah. [17:03]
herbijud1estoids wheres it listed i cant see it [17:03]
mircea_popescu cause of the way the bondbod is financed, you familiar with that ? [17:03]
mircea_popescu published each month with the s.mpoe reports. [17:03]
herbijud1estoids ah right [17:03]
herbijud1estoids no sorry [17:03]
herbijud1estoids also its 2am here and i might be more retarded than normal [17:03]
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herbijud1estoids cost of capital isnt necessarily reflected by MPBOR [17:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11707 @ 0.00092043 = 10.7755 BTC [-] {2} [17:07]
herbijud1estoids like i said, if i borrow a million for the endeavour of trading mean reversion model on MPOE at 3%, then my returns are only dependent on MPBOR in the sense that MPOE is the business handling MPBOR [17:07]
herbijud1estoids million USD, for example [17:07]
herbijud1estoids the twitter feed is fucking gold. i will learn how to pull data from it tomorrow and see if i can make some interesting graphs [17:08]
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herbijud1estoids maybe just httrack and grep/awk could be sufficient [17:08]
herbijud1estoids mircea_popescu: do you have a formal education in finance of any sort? [17:09]
mircea_popescu herbijud1estoids sadly it meanwhile got canned "for spam" [17:09]
mircea_popescu but you can use the rss. [17:10]
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mircea_popescu herbijud1estoids no. i have a personal education in finance. [17:10]
herbijud1estoids hope someone has congratulated you on the awesome thing you built and if not, congrats [17:10]
mircea_popescu ty. it does happen occasionally. [17:10]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.00298072 = 1.1923 BTC [+] {3} [17:11]
mircea_popescu as a rule tho, people lack the intellectual sophistication to have and use the tools to discern it, and then the time to do so. [17:11]
herbijud1estoids i only looked at pympex today and when i was reading the FAQ about "SPLIT" i thought goddamn genius [17:11]
mircea_popescu so for all practical purposes, allow me to welcome you into the church of mpex scientology. [17:11]
mircea_popescu lol [17:11]
herbijud1estoids lul [17:11]
mircea_popescu you know ppl sort-of bitched at me about it, and i think they still don't think it's right but mostly take my word for it. [17:11]
herbijud1estoids seems right to me [17:12]
mircea_popescu anyway. i do believe it's more about what it'll hopefully blossom into than what it is yet. [17:13]
mircea_popescu jus' needs some time to accrete people. [17:13]
herbijud1estoids anyway i should really bed. was supposed to wake up early and hassle some engineers in san fran but i got distracted watching boogie nights [17:13]
mircea_popescu did you like that ?! [17:14]
herbijud1estoids i watched it cos hoffman died and it was his first movie [17:14]
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mircea_popescu i tried to watch capote and i couldn't get through the whole thing. [17:14]
herbijud1estoids never seen it before, some of the scenes at the start i thought was the first time the guy catches his wife cheating on him [17:14]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [17:14]
mircea_popescu man's best performance is flawless, no dispute possible. [17:15]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [7C] 19 @ 0.0077005 = 0.1463 BTC [-] {3} [17:15]
herbijud1estoids my fav movie with him in it is charlie wilsons war, but i guess its a subject matter thing [17:15]
herbijud1estoids i think rambo4 and charlie wilsons war should be mandatory viewing for all american citizens :P [17:15]
mircea_popescu wtf. [17:16]
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ThickAsThieves i tried to watch capote and i couldn't get through the whole thing. --- mme too [17:16]
mircea_popescu why not "some came running" and "cat on a hot tin roof" [17:16]
herbijud1estoids rambo4? back when the taliban were the "brave and fearless men and women of afghanistan fighting for their freedom" to which the movie was dedicated [17:16]
mircea_popescu lol [17:17]
herbijud1estoids havent you seen it man! omg...rambo takes the game right to those pesky commie bastards! [17:17]
ThickAsThieves "Or in other words, while the sauce for the goose works just fine for the gander, this point is well wasted on vegetarians : the stuff they eat doesn’t even have gender." << Cuz we mostly eat the gendery parts! [17:17]
herbijud1estoids how dare they invade afghanistan! [17:18]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves interestingly enough that's true huh [17:18]
mircea_popescu who knew vegans are dedicated to a strict regimen of gonads. [17:19]
herbijud1estoids oh shit thats the wrong one, its rambo3! [17:19]
herbijud1estoids [17:19]
mircea_popescu lol [17:19]
ozbot Can vegans stomach the unpalatable truth about quinoa? | Joanna Blythman | Comment is free | thegua [17:19]
herbijud1estoids troll teh hippiez [17:19]
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mircea_popescu << meanwhile somewhere in france, this is why we like natural boobs. [17:19]
herbijud1estoids that came out today, obviously a moron funded by the cow council or something, but great to rile up the vegans with [17:20]
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mircea_popescu the cow council lol. [17:20]
mircea_popescu their hq is in the diablo cow level. [17:20]
mircea_popescu worst guy among them is beefenstick frozenfist. [17:21]
herbijud1estoids dude i am not gonna sit here and try and come up with a more evil cow related name than that [17:21]
mircea_popescu yw. [17:21]
ThickAsThieves it makes no sense [17:21]
herbijud1estoids cowtler. [17:21]
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jcpham beefenstick frozenfist winner winner [17:21]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves rakanishu. [17:21]
mircea_popescu wait wait, the author's name is joanna blythe man ?! this is trolling, right ? [17:23]
mircea_popescu joanna blythe-man on crop blights. [17:24]
ThickAsThieves "Joanna Blythman is an food writer, investigative journalist and broadcaster" [17:24]
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mircea_popescu if only it said bloadcaster ill. [17:25]
mircea_popescu also this entire convo has to be bashed somehow [17:25]
ThickAsThieves that's what trilema is for, to bash the unbashable [17:26]
mircea_popescu i guess. [17:26]
mircea_popescu besides, there's a nice flattery bit at the top huh. aite, brb. [17:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29550 @ 0.00092377 = 27.2974 BTC [+] {2} [17:27]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.56999969 BTC [-] [17:28]
ThickAsThieves "Exactly! I want to buy a pizza with 10k ATC and regret it later. I'm even willing to throw away a fraction of a Bitcoin (and regret that later too) for the experience." [17:28]
ThickAsThieves this may cause a black hole [17:28]
ThickAsThieves good thing they are no longer black [17:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1660 @ 0.00012001 = 0.1992 BTC [-] [17:29]
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mircea_popescu are they pinky-flesh in color ? [17:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9350 @ 0.00092647 = 8.6625 BTC [+] {2} [17:32]
ThickAsThieves Hawking says they are grey now [17:32]
ThickAsThieves [17:33]
ozbot Stephen Hawking shakes up theory (again): Black holes are actually gray - NBC [17:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19193 @ 0.00091992 = 17.656 BTC [-] [17:33]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell herbijud1estoids no fucken way hoffman's first thing is that 1997 atrocityu. [17:34]
gribble The operation succeeded. [17:34]
mircea_popescu a that. [17:34]
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pankkake black holes not black, pluto not a planet. damn scientists [17:34]
nubbins` well what is "black", really [17:35]
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nubbins` i advance that nothing in your line of sight is black [17:35]
mircea_popescu black holes not black, pluto not a planet. damn scientists << SCAM [17:35]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Hoffman's first part seems to have been as random disposable criminal in Law and Order [17:35]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo no way dude he woked all through the 90s [17:35]
mircea_popescu bit parts mostly, but i'm sure his debut must be like 1990 or something [17:35]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Law and order started in 1990 [17:36]
nubbins` i thought hoffman died in 89 [17:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.56999958 BTC [-] [17:36]
mircea_popescu a ? i thought it was a mid 90s thing [17:36]
ThickAsThieves well what is "black", really <<< something about dark matter and absence of light, still sorting it all out i think [17:36]
mircea_popescu CERN scientits announce : holes to be black in two weeks! [17:36]
mircea_popescu atm still brown. [17:37]
nubbins` ThickAsThieves, it's all a continuum, tbf [17:37]
ThickAsThieves when i was young, men were women, and holes were black! [17:37]
nubbins` for most purposes, you can be lax with the definition [17:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.56999959 BTC [+] [17:37]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves "and now here i am, surrounded by all this brown shit" [17:37]
ThickAsThieves nice [17:38]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.5699996 = 2.85 BTC [+] [17:38]
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ThickAsThieves spider sense tingling, bitcoin drama levels feel too depleted [17:40]
ThickAsThieves time for a fork maybe? [17:41]
ThickAsThieves ;;tslb [17:41]
gribble Time since last block: 25 minutes and 56 seconds [17:41]
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pankkake [17:41]
ozbot Fork The Blockchain And Block The Seized FBI Coins. [17:41]
nubbins` triple facepalm [17:42]
ThickAsThieves lol [17:42]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Late 90's was when the flood of spinoffs started [17:43]
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nubbins` "Hay guise I have an Idea™" [17:43]
ThickAsThieves regulate the regulators! [17:43]
nubbins` "Normally I'd ask for a share of the profits but this time it's free" [17:44]
mircea_popescu im surprised it's not "redistribute the fbi coins" [17:44]
nubbins` heh [17:44]
nubbins` there ya go [17:44]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves [17:44]
mircea_popescu she lives to serve. [17:44]
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nubbins` "We all just need to agree to craft a bogus block where the FBI coins get sent to 1BitcoinEater" [17:45]
mircea_popescu grasp of bitcoin basics under 1/9000 [17:45]
ThickAsThieves why is the link particular to me? [17:45]
nubbins` "The Fed's stole those coins." [17:45]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves weren't you asking for drama ? [17:45]
nubbins` hmmm [17:45]
ThickAsThieves ah [17:45]
ThickAsThieves not good enough [17:45]
ThickAsThieves high drama [17:45]
mircea_popescu well dude what you want. [17:45]
nubbins` not sure if he means "The Feds stole those coins." or "The Fed's stolen those coins." [17:45]
mircea_popescu nubbins` he means "fjkhkj45hkj45ngvdfzgh9853 jyjx" [17:46]
nubbins` heh [17:46]
pankkake wait kraken lost 600 btc? [17:46]
nubbins` turns out he's just a cat that's looking for a warm place to nap [17:46]
pankkake that's like their yearly volume [17:46]
mircea_popescu pankkake you don't say. [17:46]
nubbins` they didn't lose them, some guy put a QR code sticker on top of theirs [17:46]
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ThickAsThieves hehe [17:46]
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mircea_popescu nubbins` wait wut ? [17:47]
ThickAsThieves i wonder how often we'll hear of that hack again [17:47]
nubbins` lel j/k [17:47]
mircea_popescu afaik they botched the entire receiving address thing, now they don;'t know who sent them btc. [17:47]
nubbins` i was reading a thread yesterday about this guy who ate at a restaurant that accepts btc [17:47]
mircea_popescu top the tune of AT LEAST 600 btc, beingone addy we know about [17:47]
nubbins` somebody put a sticker over the QR code by the cash [17:47]
mircea_popescu they're lieing about it, so clearly it's not the only one, nor they can cover. [17:47]
nubbins` poor diner was asked to pay twice [17:47]
mircea_popescu link ? [17:48]
nubbins` [17:49]
pankkake also [17:49]
nubbins` "new scam to be aware of" [17:49]
ThickAsThieves maybe we'll get a bitcoin robin hood [17:49]
nubbins` pretty sure the whole story was upvote-bait [17:49]
ThickAsThieves swapping QR codes around the world [17:49]
nubbins` especially considering the diner agreed to PAY HALF AGAIN [17:49]
nubbins` y'know, a thing that people would do after it's obvious to all parties that a ripoff occurred [17:50]
nubbins` anyway, i bellowed laughter at this: [17:50]
nubbins` "One of the officers even said "why didn't you just pay with real money?"" [17:50]
ThickAsThieves well just go to restaurants with QR codes in pocket, pay yourself, then be all ZOMG what's happening! [17:51]
nubbins` ^^^^ [17:51]
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nubbins` qr code taped to reg makes about as much sense as a bucket full of cash and coins placed on the counter [17:52]
nubbins` "just dump your payment in here" [17:52]
ThickAsThieves but it works with tip jars and leaving cash on table/bar [17:52]
nubbins` "we'll probably figure it out" [17:52]
nubbins` tip jars, sure [17:52]
nubbins` nobody cares how much you tipped [17:52]
ThickAsThieves many leave cash on table and leave [17:53]
nubbins` nod [17:53]
nubbins` then server has mild panic [17:53]
nubbins` drops what they're doing and runs to table [17:53]
nubbins` etc [17:53]
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* ThickAsThieves makes note to be more considerate. oh wait, that's already on list. [17:53]
nubbins` heh [17:54]
nubbins` i guess a better analogy would be [17:54]
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nubbins` that the bucket is hidden from the cashier's view [17:54]
Mats_cd03 Meow [17:54]
ThickAsThieves someone told falkvinge [17:54]
mircea_popescu well just go to restaurants with QR codes in pocket, pay yourself, then be all ZOMG what's happening! <<< sorta like the self-hitting pedestrians. [17:55]
nubbins` "the car came outta nowhere" [17:55]
ThickAsThieves times they are a changing [17:55]
ThickAsThieves [17:55]
ozbot Update - Statement Regarding BTC Withdrawal Delays : Support Desk [17:55]
ThickAsThieves "we are currently experiencing a problem where some bitcoin withdrawals are not being transferred correctly" [17:55]
mircea_popescu drops what they're doing and runs to table <<< i usually just dump the money on the table if the girl fed me or on the nightstand if she fucked me. [17:56]
ThickAsThieves "Those transactions have now been returned to customer accounts in full" [17:56]
ThickAsThieves lol [17:56]
mircea_popescu in neither case is there a run. [17:56]
ThickAsThieves "This problem applies primarily to larger transactions, so we appreciate your patience as we fix the issue. " [17:56]
ThickAsThieves lololol [17:56]
TomServo He considered Gox to be a safer repository for bitcoin than his own probably-hackable computer. That judgment may not have been accurate. [17:56]
TomServo Oh my. [17:56]
mircea_popescu "we're scamming, and we hope people we fucked foir a lot of money are like idiots and everything" [17:57]
TomServo Maaaaybe not. Still uncertain. [17:57]
nubbins` i actually signed up for an account on kraken after reading all this [17:57]
mircea_popescu but tbh, they deserve the reaming. if they missed april they can't be helped anymore. [17:57]
mircea_popescu every douche figures himself a bright mind, well... [17:57]
nubbins` [17:57]
ozbot BBC News - Self-updating Bitcoin price tag shown off in east London [17:58]
ThickAsThieves will they make inflating USD ones? [17:58]
mircea_popescu lmao [17:58]
ThickAsThieves act fast! [17:59]
nubbins` [17:59]
ThickAsThieves maybe this can get rid of cashiers altogether [17:59]
nubbins` re: a ton of media logos [17:59]
ThickAsThieves you pay the little ink box [18:00]
ThickAsThieves it unlocks [18:00]
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ThickAsThieves cant leave store with merch and inkboxes [18:00]
nubbins` you guys don't have self-checkouts yet? [18:00]
nubbins` i personally fuckin hate 'em [18:00]
ThickAsThieves at groceries [18:00]
ThickAsThieves i only use them if no one is around [18:01]
mircea_popescu << latest trilema post. [18:01]
ozbot This is what Trilema is for, I’m told. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [18:01]
mircea_popescu taking bets on whether it includes tits. [18:01]
nubbins` know who's faster at checking out your groceries? the person who does it for a living. [18:01]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.24310363 = 0.7293 BTC [18:03]
nubbins` self-checkouts are a trick [18:03]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.1306 = 0.653 BTC [-] {2} [18:04]
nubbins` "maybe it'll be faster" [18:04]
mircea_popescu i kinda prefer farmer markets tho. who buys groceries in a store ? [18:04]
mircea_popescu i don't think i have this decade. [18:04]
nubbins` next thing you know, PLEASE PLACE THE SCANNED ITEM IN THE BAG. PLEASE PLACE THE SCANNED ITEM IN THE BAG. and there's a fuckin cashier helping you out anyway [18:04]
nubbins` mircea_popescu, there's a few farmer's markets around here but a grocery store within walking distance [18:05]
mircea_popescu i got access to engines and shit [18:05]
nubbins` oh sure, me too, but why drive when you can walk? [18:05]
mircea_popescu i got a driver, he can take the groceries back and i can carry on in town [18:05]
nubbins` plus newfoundland produces only about 10% of its own food supply, so farmer's markets aren't a general solution [18:05]
mircea_popescu what we did last time [18:05]
mircea_popescu a that's a problem [18:05]
nubbins` yep [18:06]
nubbins` it sure is. [18:06]
mircea_popescu you can get local strawberries here. now. [18:06]
nubbins` you can maybe get local squash here now [18:06]
nubbins` and some greens [18:06]
mircea_popescu anyway, bought a buncha smoked pork to hang in my attic... it's a pleasure [18:07]
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mircea_popescu proper hand made pickles... [18:07]
mircea_popescu they don't do much pickling in canada do they [18:07]
nubbins` altho i did see a young couple walking two goats recently, so i suppose really it's more a question of motivation [18:07]
nubbins` mircea_popescu: mostly a lost art these days [18:07]
mircea_popescu well that sucks. colder climes need smoked meat and pickled veggies. [18:07]
nubbins` i know a few groups of hippies that do canning [18:08]
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mircea_popescu canning != pickling in any sense. [18:08]
nubbins` yeah, closest thing you'll find [18:08]
mircea_popescu small peppers stuffed with cabbage! cucumbers! beets! culiflower! [18:08]
nubbins` people don't really preserve things here as a general rule [18:08]
mircea_popescu there's at least a dozen different sorts of pickles i can't do without [18:08]
nubbins` probably because our parent's generation grew up on a steady diet of salt cod [18:08]
BingoBoingo When the frost came so many of the tomatos were still green that we pickled them as a relish. [18:09]
nubbins` and salt beef [18:09]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo good for you. [18:09]
nubbins` and were 100% turned on preserved foods by the time the big grocery chains moved in [18:09]
mircea_popescu nubbins` that's why it;'s better to make salt pickes and smoke the meats [18:09]
mircea_popescu than the other way around [18:09]
nubbins` actually, come to think of it, my mother loves pickled beets [18:09]
mircea_popescu you ever had sqaw candy ? [18:09]
nubbins` nah [18:09]
mircea_popescu well wtf. [18:09]
nubbins` what can i say, sheltered life [18:10]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1075 = 0.215 BTC [-] {2} [18:10]
nubbins` if you like pickled things, find a korean restaurant [18:10]
Duffer1 squaw candy? [18:10]
mircea_popescu i dont like the way they pickle. [18:10]
nubbins` they are lords of fermenting and pickling [18:10]
mircea_popescu i'm romanian, stuff like this is like grounds for religious wars. [18:10]
nubbins` haha [18:10]
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mircea_popescu as far as the romanian mother in low is concerned, the new wife can parade around naked stuffing pencils in her cunt all she wants [18:11]
mircea_popescu but god forbid the sits on the floor or messes up the pickles. [18:11]
nubbins` i do some dehydrating and keep a root cellar, grow some veggies in the warmer months [18:11]
nubbins` that's about the extent of it so far [18:11]
mircea_popescu if you have a root cellar you definitely can pickle cabage. [18:12]
nubbins` funny story, the root cellar is just the cupboards under the kitchen sink [18:12]
nubbins` i keep beer down there too [18:12]
nubbins` so cold [18:12]
mircea_popescu ah, too small. [18:12]
nubbins` could probably fit a couple heads. [18:12]
nubbins` not enough to ensure a constant supply [18:12]
ThickAsThieves our cleaning lady pickles [18:12]
ThickAsThieves she gives us some [18:13]
mircea_popescu nah, cause you need a 20+ gallon thing [18:13]
nubbins` ah, no chance [18:13]
mircea_popescu they don't work in any arbitrary volume [18:13]
ThickAsThieves pickled okra mostly [18:13]
ThickAsThieves bleh [18:13]
nubbins` i've also been making sourdough bread for about a year and a half now [18:13]
Duffer1 oh man what a waste [18:13]
mircea_popescu that's nice. [18:13]
nubbins` i even have a subscription to Mother Earth News ;( [18:13]
Duffer1 fry that ochra up [18:13]
Duffer1 okra even [18:13]
mircea_popescu "ochra. for when you feel the urge to know what the texture of corpse cunt is like" [18:14]
nubbins` heh [18:14]
nubbins` the eventual goal is to become mostly self-sufficient [18:14]
Duffer1 why you gotta ruin it for me :( [18:14]
mircea_popescu aww sorry. [18:14]
nubbins` hopefully should have the big strokes worked out in the next 4 or 5 years [18:14]
ThickAsThieves Bill Gates to 'substantially increase time' at Microsoft after stepping down as chairman [18:14]
mircea_popescu nubbins` try pickling sometime, get a large earthen jug, fill it with nice firm cabbage heads, add water and a lot of salt. [18:15]
Duffer1 what's the plan for electricity nubs? [18:15]
mircea_popescu then after the first few weeks each coupla days go there and spend ~10-15 minutes blowing air into the vessel [18:15]
mircea_popescu in about 4-5-6 months it's done. you'll know by taste. [18:15]
nubbins` Duffer1, wind doesn't work too well here, not sure yet [18:15]
mircea_popescu should be kept ~5 degrees celsius. [18:15]
BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves: Prolly realizes he quit to early and that BASIC interpreter thing isn't a business anymore. [18:15]
nubbins` mircea_popescu: add some fish paste and chilies and you've got kimchi [18:15]
mircea_popescu nah, it's different i tel you [18:16]
mircea_popescu theirs is not aerated. [18:16]
nubbins` too true [18:16]
nubbins` they actually bury it [18:16]
mircea_popescu they fucking bury that shit [18:16]
mircea_popescu yes. [18:16]
mircea_popescu makes a huge difference [18:16]
Duffer1 i'm down to 1.5 jars of gramma's pickled cucumbers. needs to last 6months [18:16]
mircea_popescu anyway, that cabbage juice resultant is by far the best hangover cure in the world. [18:16]
nubbins` the best kimchi is old kimchi, 1 year or more [18:16]
mircea_popescu by VERY far. [18:16]
nubbins` hm [18:16]
nubbins` you use round cabbage or chinese? [18:16]
mircea_popescu makes little difference, as ong as it's white. [18:16]
nubbins` sure [18:17]
ThickAsThieves [18:17]
ozbot The coin prince: inside Bitcoin's first big money-laundering scandal | The Verge [18:17]
mircea_popescu red cabbage doesn't work for some reason [18:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3297 @ 0.00012242 = 0.4036 BTC [+] {7} [18:17]
nubbins` i'll think on this, might be a nice experiment for the winter [18:17]
ThickAsThieves HD eyebrows! [18:17]
mircea_popescu nubbins` it's cheap to try, anyway. [18:17]
nubbins` nod [18:17]
mircea_popescu you may wish to add some flavourings. horseradish is big here. [18:17]
ThickAsThieves "Shrem is 5 feet 5 inches tall, full-bearded, and high-energy. He’s the kind of guy who likes to party and loves to organize events, but also goes to his parents’ house every Friday night for dinner. " [18:17]
nubbins` i do like spicy [18:17]
Duffer1 lol tat [18:17]
Duffer1 groucho returns [18:18]
nubbins` groucho, leeel [18:18]
mircea_popescu nubbins` can go 1 horseradish root per 2-3 heads. [18:18]
nubbins` ever tried ginger? [18:18]
mircea_popescu nope. [18:18]
mircea_popescu it may work tho. [18:18]
Duffer1 pickled ginger? [18:18]
ThickAsThieves i love ginger so much [18:18]
nubbins` well that's what got me thinking [18:18]
nubbins` i've been making this ghanaian dish lately, groundnut soup [18:19]
nubbins` fish or chicken, tomato paste, unsweetened peanut butter, ginger, onion, peppers [18:19]
lippoper .bait is back baby! [18:19]
nubbins` sounds terrible, tastes amazing [18:19]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [18:19]
ozbot [18:19]
nubbins` i'm actually still not sure why it tastes good [18:19]
KRS- Look, she is sitting on her face! [18:20]
ThickAsThieves well peanut butter and ginger are my two favorite flavors [18:20]
KRS- .bait [18:20]
ozbot [18:20]
nubbins` then you owe it to yourself to try groundnut soup [18:20]
KRS- lol fun [18:20]
mircea_popescu nubbins` also, bay leaf, pepper, lots of dill [18:20]
mircea_popescu depends on your taste. [18:20]
ThickAsThieves He was this plucky, short Jewish guy from Brooklyn who had computer skills and decided to start his own company, and he was living the Entourage life. I envied the kid up until a few days ago. [18:20]
nubbins` i'm a huge fan of bay leaf [18:20]
nubbins` every chili, every stew [18:20]
nubbins` can't abide dill tho [18:20]
KRS- Like Assburgers? [18:21]
ThickAsThieves [18:21]
ThickAsThieves "Charlie Shrem, right, exits Manhattan federal court with an unidentified person on Monday, January 27th" [18:21]
ThickAsThieves unidentified [18:21]
mircea_popescu that's his dad [18:21]
mircea_popescu ain;'t it ?! [18:21]
ThickAsThieves how could it not be his dad [18:21]
nubbins` couldn't be his dad with that mouth [18:22]
nubbins` ;p [18:22]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.15499998 BTC [-] [18:22]
nubbins` maybe the purse threw them off [18:22]
mircea_popescu it's not a purse [18:22]
mircea_popescu it's panamanian. [18:22]
ThickAsThieves lol [18:22]
nubbins` heh [18:22]
nubbins` a purseboa [18:22]
nubbins` okay, time to run some errands [18:23]
ThickAsThieves He was released on house arrest after his parents put up their house as collateral. [18:23]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00092243 = 14.1132 BTC [+] [18:25]
KRS- A Fallen Angel. [18:26]
mircea_popescu "gee son, i hope all that pot herping you did was a lot of fun" [18:28]
mircea_popescu "cause i worked thirty years for this house" [18:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.24310363 = 1.2155 BTC [18:30]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 16 @ 0.15749999 = 2.52 BTC [+] {4} [18:31]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.24310363 = 1.4586 BTC [18:32]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.17 = 0.51 BTC [+] [18:32]
ThickAsThieves ;;estimate [18:32]
gribble Next difficulty estimate | 2605968722.74 based on data since last change | 2831748964.63 based on data for last three days [18:32]
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KRS- ouch..amazing how parents blindly support their kids, even in hopeless situations. [18:33]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [18:33]
KRS- not that this is hopeless..isn't money laundering a hard conviction to get? [18:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22577 @ 0.00092673 = 20.9228 BTC [+] [18:34]
mircea_popescu KRS- local joke : gypsy woman goes to her man with a very very filthy kid in tow [18:34]
Duffer1 apparently they have his emails [18:34]
mircea_popescu "now what, do we wash this one or make another one?" [18:34]
mircea_popescu KRS- money laundering is an impossible conviction to get against the actual people who launder money, ie banks. any conviction is extremely easy to get against a redditard kid from brooklin and his goretex wearing father. [18:35]
mike_c ooh, nice coinroll ad on bitbet. [18:40]
mike_c does jurov control that yet? [18:40]
jurov yes i put the ad there [18:41]
mircea_popescu afaik it's scrat, namworld and jurov [18:41]
jurov but not full control yet [18:41]
mike_c planning any changes or you just going to run it better? [18:41]
jurov no. scrat and namworld are old owners and investors that are in search of a venue to IPO and get paid [18:41]
jurov and me and wao-ender are new owners [18:41]
mike_c interesting. good luck. [18:42]
jurov it's quite mess process, going on for 2 months, scrat was sick, etc. [18:42]
mircea_popescu well as long as it's fun. [18:42]
jurov indeed it;s fun :) [18:42]
ThickAsThieves for how long can we keep up 15%-20% diff increases? [18:44]
ThickAsThieves must be some kinda major limiting factor [18:45]
mircea_popescu well... total electric energy output of earth is [18:45]
ThickAsThieves can hahsing increase 50x this year? [18:45]
jurov it's price per transistor. dunno how far from that we are. [18:45]
mircea_popescu ~150-200 P [18:46]
mircea_popescu PW/g [18:46]
mircea_popescu grr [18:46]
mircea_popescu ~150-200 PW/h [18:46]
jurov admittedly, chumps may keep buying the transistor for several times more than mining reward [18:46]
mircea_popescu actually should i dig up the old discussion of that or were you around ? [18:46]
jurov *transistors [18:46]
ThickAsThieves i'm not sure, but i'm re-interested either way [18:47]
jurov i don't think we came up with any definite numbers [18:47]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00092673 = 13.0669 BTC [+] [18:47]
ThickAsThieves mining is gonna be so centralized [18:47]
mircea_popescu yeah but we did some back of envelope shit [18:47]
KRS- mircea_popescu: haha funny..actually 2 jokes..local gypsys here are leaving. The county fair is wrapping up. Ya gotta love that food though. [18:47]
ThickAsThieves bitcoin is doomed [18:48]
KRS- I mean..who fries winkies? Oreo cookies? Who knew? [18:48]
ThickAsThieves fry all the things! [18:48]
KRS- ya think? [18:49]
mircea_popescu well i dunno where it is ;/ [18:49]
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mircea_popescu having helpers kicks ass. [18:50]
ThickAsThieves seems that maybe the bets regulation USG could do is require gov to run a mining farm [18:50]
ThickAsThieves best* [18:51]
chetty Sotomayor: Labeling Illegal Immigrants Criminals Is Insulting [18:51]
ThickAsThieves logic is so racist [18:52]
mircea_popescu chetty people do have a right to go wherever the fuck they please. [18:52]
mircea_popescu who gave obama a monopoly on the land between x and y ? [18:52]
ThickAsThieves [BTCTC] [TAT.MINIGAME] 2 @ 0.000269 = 0.0005 BTC [+] <<< good times [18:53]
mircea_popescu lol [18:53]
chetty not if they come to suck gubermint tits [18:53]
mircea_popescu !vwap [18:53]
mircea_popescu chetty gubermint has no right to have tits, nor does it have the right to use its tits as an excuse to bother people. [18:53]
mircea_popescu if it doesn [18:53]
mircea_popescu 't like its tits publicly handling it can go ahead and dress. [18:54]
chetty in a perfect world ... [18:55]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves << look what you've motherfuckingly done. [18:55]
mircea_popescu just not lieing and not stealing, that's it. that's all. you don't even need an idea AT ALL. your chain can simply win because no premine and no schmooze. [18:55]
mircea_popescu fucking stealing the mp model. [18:55]
mircea_popescu DO YOU SEE HOW POWERFUL IT IS! [18:55]
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ThickAsThieves yeesh [18:57]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 0.70604072 BTC to 616 shares, 114617 satoshi per share [18:59]
ThickAsThieves i knew being a yogi berra fan would pay off one day [19:00]
ThickAsThieves maybe i should make a bot that combines yogi quotes with coelho lines [19:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] [PAID] 5.10400000 BTC to 7`975`000 shares, 64 satoshi per share [19:00]
ThickAsThieves "I want to thank you for making this day necessary." -- On Yogi Berra Appreciation Day in St. Louis in 1947. [19:01]
ThickAsThieves "You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you're going, because you might not get there." [19:02]
ThickAsThieves "It ain't the heat; it's the humility." [19:04]
Dimsler__ is it pump up hour in here? [19:04]
Dimsler__ ThickAsThieves, unless you're one of the top 100 wallet holders who really cares [19:05]
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mircea_popescu Dimsler__ no pump-o. [19:06]
mircea_popescu this will become a standard disclaimer, like no homo. [19:06]
Dimsler__ lol [19:07]
ThickAsThieves ThickAsThieves, unless you're one of the top 100 wallet holders who really cares <<<< i missed something? [19:07]
ThickAsThieves you mean top 100 bitcoin holders? ALT? [19:07]
ThickAsThieves what are we caring about? [19:08]
Dimsler__ we are not caring [19:08]
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Duffer1 i'm more confused now than when you guys started your bit [19:08]
Duffer1 are you doing a bit? [19:08]
Duffer1 i feel like earl [19:09]
ThickAsThieves i dont do bits [19:09]
ThickAsThieves maybe a lil performance art here and there [19:09]
mircea_popescu we're doing just a little bit. but i was srs above. [19:09]
mircea_popescu anyway, straight man story : ThickAsThieves started a new altchain. for absolutely no reason. called a lark. [19:10]
ThickAsThieves basically, "If you aren't scamming us, than how will you make any money?!" [19:10]
mircea_popescu that alt chain got a lot of mining power behind it. [19:10]
Dimsler__ lol [19:10]
Dimsler__ lark [19:10]
mircea_popescu we're not actually pushing it, we're just lolling at it, observing it, thinking about it outloud. [19:10]
mircea_popescu s'all. [19:10]
ThickAsThieves i still dont own any [19:11]
ThickAsThieves dont think any miner has sold yet either [19:11]
mircea_popescu i think by now mpoe-pr owns more than me [19:11]
Dimsler__ is it like dogecoin? [19:11]
mircea_popescu o wait! wow! [19:11]
ThickAsThieves oh you got some? [19:11]
mircea_popescu check this out tat : i am the one guy in the entire world who owns THE LEAST ATC. [19:11]
Dimsler__ the USPS is gonne have its own alt currency soon [19:11]
mircea_popescu because you got 0 right ? and so do all those other guys [19:11]
ThickAsThieves lol [19:11]
mircea_popescu but i actually own -1, cause i owe 1 to either mike_c or vexual [19:11]
ThickAsThieves endorsed and coveted by mp himself, Altcoin [19:12]
mike_c vex, he paid me supposedly. [19:12]
mircea_popescu so i guess i'm shorting it, technically speaking [19:12]
mircea_popescu ;;FUD ATC kthx. [19:12]
gribble Error: "FUD" is not a valid command. [19:12]
ThickAsThieves i'd buy some if people just made public prices [19:12]
BingoBoingo What's the difficulty on Alt anyway? [19:12]
mircea_popescu whoa that's a useless bot. [19:12]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo like 20k ? [19:12]
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mircea_popescu MP, naked shorting alt since the week it was born! [19:13]
ThickAsThieves i guess bluematt scamme dme [19:13]
ThickAsThieves never got the source, even after he told me to pay to same addy [19:13]
mircea_popescu nowai [19:13]
mircea_popescu altchain born in scam and pain! [19:13]
mircea_popescu the only begotten altchain of teh lord to save our etc [19:14]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.04954 = 0.9908 BTC [+] [19:14]
BingoBoingo LTC difficulty is only 2,820? To the hole with LTC! [19:14]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo i say a lot of power, i mean a lot of power >D [19:14]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.1 = 0.6 BTC [-] [19:15]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9198 @ 0.00092673 = 8.5241 BTC [+] [19:15]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.24310363 = 1.2155 BTC [19:16]
mircea_popescu "Well good morning there, Brittany. Are you ready for today's lesson?" [19:17]
mircea_popescu "Oh yes, Daddy! I can't wait to find out what you're going to do to me today!" [19:17]
mircea_popescu "That's a good girl. I love your enthusiasm. You made Daddy so proud when you came to me on your 18th Birthday a few weeks ago and said you wanted to work at my whorehouse just like your mother and your older sisters. [19:17]
mircea_popescu dude why is fanfic so incredibly bad. [19:17]
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BingoBoingo Imma have to write and Altcoin post. Much hash. So Meta. Very Unmeme. [19:17]
mircea_popescu this guy's premise is that some dood's systematically whoring his family, and the only way he can think to introduce that premise is a Mr Exposition chorus ?! [19:18]
ThickAsThieves i have this runt cat, that never fully grew, but somehow she always finds her way to the highest places. when she gets there she lets out these little miniature roars [19:18]
mircea_popescu hahaha [19:18]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves is that a yogi coelho quote ? [19:18]
ThickAsThieves the cat thing? that's real [19:18]
mircea_popescu pretty adorkable. [19:19]
ThickAsThieves i need to record it [19:19]
ThickAsThieves by this point no one knows when i'm joking or just dumb [19:20]
ThickAsThieves cue dub/kako saying i'm always dumb [19:20]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1 = 0.3 BTC [-] [19:21]
ThickAsThieves does bluematt haz wot? [19:22]
ThickAsThieves i might have to dig up my key for this [19:22]
ThickAsThieves no wait, the proper thing to do is start a reddit thread, right? [19:23]
ThickAsThieves is Scam! [19:23]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.24310363 = 0.9724 BTC [19:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 31 @ 0.00565828 = 0.1754 BTC [-] {4} [19:30]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1197 @ 0.00012943 = 0.1549 BTC [+] {2} [19:32]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.07810003 = 0.3905 BTC [-] {3} [19:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25393 @ 0.00092673 = 23.5325 BTC [+] [19:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37050 @ 0.00092461 = 34.2568 BTC [-] {3} [19:37]
pankkake lol [19:38]
pankkake "pre-mine consulting and strategy" [19:38]
davout it lacks the cryptsy-plugin generator [19:39]
BingoBoingo I doubt many new alts will go further than RIPple's greatest innovation whereby all coins were premined. [19:40]
pankkake NXT did it, and called it innovative [19:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30300 @ 0.00092817 = 28.1236 BTC [+] {3} [19:41]
ThickAsThieves web designers new bastion, altcoin marketing agency [19:42]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo doge just did it a coupla days ago. [19:42]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves he does indeed. [19:42]
mircea_popescu tbh i'd be very surprised if in fact he's scamming you. [19:42]
ThickAsThieves so i'm not supposed to overreact when people dont do things right away for me? [19:43]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell benkay [19:43]
gribble The operation succeeded. [19:43]
ThickAsThieves pankakke, are you interested in helping create the source? or at least dumping the genblock? [19:44]
ThickAsThieves bounty available if needed [19:44]
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mircea_popescu you can dumb the genblock just by quering the altcoind [19:44]
mike_c how you going to bounty with no ATC? [19:44]
mircea_popescu mwahaha [19:44]
ThickAsThieves i'll get the forum to pay for it [19:45]
pankkake ThickAsThieves: I was going to reply on the thread… I'm not sure I can do it [19:45]
ThickAsThieves crap [19:45]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC [19:45]
ThickAsThieves even if you have a different coingen'd source package to work from? [19:45]
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mircea_popescu who's unbalanced on the forum ? [19:46]
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pankkake a coingen sha256 would be a good base, at least I can replace the coin name :p [19:46]
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mircea_popescu lolz [19:47]
ThickAsThieves sock of someone here [19:47]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves yes but who./ [19:47]
ThickAsThieves one of these D**** handles maybe [19:47]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC [19:47]
ThickAsThieves Duffer, Dimsler [19:47]
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Duffer1 not i [19:48]
ThickAsThieves maybe Van Cleef [19:48]
ThickAsThieves who knows anymor [19:48]
pankkake I think he goes by unbalanced here too. we're in a lentghty e-mail conversation [19:48]
pankkake he must be a lurker [19:48]
mircea_popescu oic. [19:48]
wao-ender lol, havellock is trying to do marketing with b.exch? [19:48]
ThickAsThieves a coingen sha256 would be a good base, at least I can replace the coin name :p <<< but really, if it is useful, surely one of the packages for download is that [19:49]
ThickAsThieves the ones with source are bigger zips [19:49]
ThickAsThieves 26mb vs 50+ [19:49]
ThickAsThieves i downloaded some at random [19:49]
ThickAsThieves not sure how to tell if sha256 [19:49]
mircea_popescu lmao this guy sounds like a bitcoin ceo. [19:50]
ThickAsThieves i'm a hacker now too! [19:51]
mircea_popescu + css experience. [19:51]
ThickAsThieves i dont actually make the CSS, just pictures of what it should look like [19:51]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2032 @ 0.00092905 = 1.8878 BTC [+] [19:51]
mircea_popescu obviosuly. [19:51]
ThickAsThieves but ive hacked a style or two in my day [19:52]
ThickAsThieves hehe [19:52]
mircea_popescu thats something they could have had in idiocracy [19:52]
mircea_popescu instead of ppl ordering ? they napkin-doodle what they want [19:52]
mircea_popescu then argue about getting the wrong thing [19:52]
jurov did you make a picture css of neobee building too? [19:53]
pankkake feature request for create github repo :) [19:53]
pankkake oh coingen ships with a .git in it. good [19:53]
ThickAsThieves i dont do 3d rendering, too tedious [19:54]
ThickAsThieves same reason i dont code [19:54]
ThickAsThieves my attention doesnt work that way [19:54]
pankkake oh good at least I see that the pzsTimestamp is the same as Bitcoin [19:54]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0495399 = 0.4954 BTC [-] [19:54]
pankkake however it changes "pchMessageStart" and I have no idea what it is :( [19:55]
ThickAsThieves i didnt mind HTML class, but once i got to javascript class, i was like fuck this bullshit [19:55]
mike_c lexical clojure is a pain [19:56]
pankkake ok well, either I'll have the source tonight or in a few days [19:57]
mircea_popescu 2 weeks tops. [19:57]
ThickAsThieves if it helps, Altcoin should be 512 Block Rate, 512 block value, 262144 halving, 268435456 total coins [19:58]
BingoBoingo feature request for -> Moar hashing algorithms. At a minimum MD4 [19:58]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC [19:58]
ThickAsThieves would have an endless todo list [19:59]
jurov [19:59]
pankkake BingoBoingo: quite annoying as you have to manage the pools too [19:59]
jurov soo, gox pulled weexchange [19:59]
ThickAsThieves ? [19:59]
ThickAsThieves you may take 6%? [20:00]
jurov i mean, ukyo hints to some btc transactions corrupted by bitcoind [20:00]
jurov too [20:00]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo that part shouldn't be too hard. [20:00]
jurov that cnnot be disclosed [20:00]
BingoBoingo pankkake: A plus of MD4 coin is you can pretty much instamine and them market make. Click post on the forum to make the thread. Then start your miner then... Profit! Chain mined before the thread gets a reply. [20:01]
pankkake you can instamine anything as long as the difficulty is low, or diff adjustment is bad [20:02]
pankkake which is the case for coingen, btw :) [20:02]
mircea_popescu or you announce it for tuesday and start sunday [20:02]
mircea_popescu then go "o oops, what you mean we said we'll turn off miners ?!?!" [20:02]
pankkake it is usually caught [20:02]
pankkake though of course it's scammers scamming scammers, and might not matter in the end [20:03]
jurov wouldn't you hit the maximal possible difficulty quickly with md4? [20:03]
jurov i.e. to make exact hash for the block [20:03]
BingoBoingo jurov: That's the point [20:03]
pankkake lol [20:03]
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jurov what about using rot13 then? [20:06]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 323 @ 0.002984 = 0.9638 BTC [+] {2} [20:07]
mircea_popescu lmao [20:07]
BingoBoingo jurov: Sure Rot13 where the alphabet consists entirely of Zeros might be prefect. [20:07]
mircea_popescu the future of cryptography as seen @nsa, microsoft, etc : rot13 chain! [20:07]
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mike_c i thought listing was yesterday? [20:08]
BingoBoingo Transactions from addresses are also signed by private keys which are also the addresses. Basically the same way credit cards work in the US, what could go wrong? [20:10]
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mircea_popescu hahaha [20:11]
mircea_popescu it's so true tho. [20:11]
mircea_popescu "could we have the last 4 digits of your address which is also your private key ? don't worry, we'll keep the rest secret nothing could possibly go wrong" [20:12]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1500 @ 0.002985 = 4.4775 BTC [+] [20:12]
BingoBoingo This tool only goes up to 2006 as far as widely known collision attacks [20:12]
mircea_popescu [20:12]
mircea_popescu i dun recall who originally posted that coupla days back [20:12]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1105 @ 0.002986 = 3.2995 BTC [+] [20:13]
kakobrekla was " leerochardson" on this chan? [20:13]
kakobrekla in last couple of hrs [20:13]
mircea_popescu nop [20:14]
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mircea_popescu [20:16]
mircea_popescu this has a lot of implications for noob bitcoin devs btw [20:16]
mircea_popescu The scary thing was that I only thought of the true implications of this attack days later. As I was contemplating what had happened and how I could prevent it in the future, a very frightening thought occurred to me. This attacker started with Amazon because he knew that a commerce shopping site’s customer support would be relatively easy to convince and use to gain access to my account. However, that same site offe [20:16]
mircea_popescu rs cloud services that many startups rely on to host their data. My startup, Droplr, is completely based on Amazon’s stack, from using EC2 servers where we host all of our technology to S3, which we use for file storage. This attacker had access to all of it. I was extremely lucky that in his rush to gain access to @jb, he didn’t think to check if my account had anything under AWS. [20:16]
ThickAsThieves also good advice to not use your custom google apps domain email for registrations [20:19]
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jurov as if normaln gmail would be harder to pwn [20:21]
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ThickAsThieves no customer service reps for free Google Apps accounts [20:22]
ThickAsThieves hehe [20:22]
ThickAsThieves its a security feature! [20:22]
mircea_popescu this entire "cumstomer service" bs needs to go away. [20:23]
Duffer1 companies need to start investing in MPOE-PR brand customer relations [20:23]
mircea_popescu you lost your password ? FUCK YOU. [20:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4022 @ 0.00092764 = 3.731 BTC [-] [20:23]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.14999999 = 0.3 BTC [-] [20:23]
davout lol, where do i sign? [20:23]
mike_c mircea_popescu: have you ever helped someone who lost their mpex key? [20:23]
mike_c i bet you have [20:23]
mircea_popescu i have not. [20:23]
Duffer1 has anyone ever lost a key? [20:24]
mircea_popescu at least a coupla people. [20:24]
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mike_c that's a tough line to hold. it will be interesting if you can keep that up. [20:24]
mircea_popescu happens to be the correct line to hold, so... whatever, they'll have to get it out of my cold dead hands. [20:25]
mike_c hehe [20:25]
mircea_popescu not everything is a brothel. [20:26]
mike_c i would like to be able to use mpex with keys that i sign from my master key that i've registered with you. then i could use cardano with it. [20:26]
mircea_popescu imagine if hospitals were run on the principle of whether the customer was happy. [20:26]
jurov oh, they aren't? [20:26]
mircea_popescu well ideally i should hope not, or else wtf, "which pill would you like to take today, mr j" [20:27]
mircea_popescu "take the ugly pill and shut up" [20:27]
jurov they give you antibitics not cuz you need them, but to make you happy [20:27]
mircea_popescu there you go breaking my eastern bloc ideals. [20:27]
mircea_popescu mike_c if you're really paranoid you can locally generate and sign pushes after each stat. [20:28]
mircea_popescu that way, even if you lose your key you can wipe your account for later. [20:29]
mircea_popescu and it's better in that i don't even need to verify anything. [20:29]
mike_c hm, that's interesting. i'll have to build that into pympex v2 [20:29]
mircea_popescu do you understand the model i mean ? [20:29]
mike_c yeah [20:29]
mircea_popescu like you now use key a, and spare is key b. after each stat for each asset push x to b signed and stored. [20:30]
mircea_popescu yeah [20:30]
davout why after each stat? [20:30]
mircea_popescu you can store the stuff as a list encrypted to b [20:30]
mike_c after each stat so you push all your assets (which changes..) [20:30]
davout why not once for each asset with some high value [20:30]
mircea_popescu davout well that's the point where you find what assets you have. [20:30]
davout just make a stat per asset, and add pushes as assets are added to mpex [20:31]
davout sorry a push per asset [20:31]
mircea_popescu you gotta specify qty [20:31]
jurov if qty is 99999999, it won't work? [20:31]
davout can't you say a bazillion and it takes the min from the qty and your holdings? [20:31]
mircea_popescu afaik if you don't have the right qty it tells you to fuck off. [20:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00092768 = 7.3287 BTC [+] [20:32]
jurov D: [20:32]
jurov one can make signed pushes for qty 1,2,4,8,16,32,... [20:33]
jurov and apply them from highest one [20:33]
mircea_popescu ahahaha [20:34]
jurov but orders must be taken from stat anyway [20:34]
mike_c that's not a bad backup too. sign those and bury them in the garden [20:34]
mircea_popescu anyway, careful with that axe eugene [20:34]
mircea_popescu << this is the czech republic isn't it [20:35]
jurov can be. plenty karosa buses here, too [20:36]
jurov mircea how would you go about backing up keys from airgapped machine? [20:36]
jurov if you were mpex customer [20:36]
mircea_popescu you can take them to another airgapped machine [20:37]
jurov and that machine to safe? [20:37]
mircea_popescu well to wherever you keep your backups [20:38]
mircea_popescu two machines connecting is no threat to either's airgap, provided the other's not going online [20:38]
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mircea_popescu think of this as if it were sex [20:38]
mircea_popescu which it is. [20:38]
jurov lol i keep backups all around, under strong passphrase [20:38]
mircea_popescu do you have a slovenian dicelist ? [20:39]
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jurov i made one [20:39]
jurov from various sources [20:39]
mircea_popescu so turn the privkey into a diced novella, print it, keep it around. w/e. [20:40]
jurov haha [20:40]
wao-ender :D [20:40]
mircea_popescu people'd be like "wtf does He foot dog went backwards air eloped mystical donglebunch." ?!?!?! [20:40]
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wao-ender I was always thinking about it like, if computer catn decipher it, humans need to use inteligence [20:43]
nubbins` smh. phone is NINE DAYS out of warranty and won't charge, carrier tells me to PFO [20:43]
nubbins` 10/10, would do business with again [20:43]
wao-ender next time u will buy extended warranty [20:44]
Duffer1 planned obsolescence is pretty annoying [20:44]
ThickAsThieves so it will last longer [20:44]
nubbins` wao-ender: no i won't [20:44]
mircea_popescu and this is why i buy old models intended for the african market. [20:44]
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ThickAsThieves so you can mpesa? [20:44]
wao-ender extended warranty is neat marketing, like with insurrance for 60years. [20:44]
mircea_popescu my ten year old non-gps phone without special sounds or bs charges just fine [20:44]
mircea_popescu omfg this is mpiright infringement! [20:45]
nubbins` in fairness, they did say i could order a replacement for only $269.99999999 [20:45]
nubbins` ;( [20:45]
nubbins` i'll get what i want, just annoying because it takes so long [20:45]
wao-ender order chinese one. [20:46]
wao-ender im ok with my asian phone [20:46]
wao-ender non western brand [20:46]
nubbins` this IS a chinese one. [20:46]
nubbins` oh, brand. n/m. [20:46]
wao-ender hope not ZTE.. [20:46]
nubbins` apple [20:46]
wao-ender hah [20:46]
wao-ender or aple. [20:46]
nubbins` honestly the worst part is the hold music [20:47]
wao-ender just listen world around you [20:47]
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nubbins` apple phone support has looked up my info and suddenly has no problems with a free replacement [20:48]
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mircea_popescu that means they've raped you for over 9000 in the past. [20:49]
nubbins` "oh shit, this is the guy who only good things happen to" [20:49]
nubbins` mp, about 4k [20:49]
nubbins` plus a few years of dev access [20:50]
mircea_popescu so over 9k [20:50]
nubbins` $99/yr! [20:50]
mircea_popescu fun fact : the marginal cost for an extra girl is about 4k/yr for me atm. [20:50]
nubbins` i think you just wanted to say OVER 9000 [20:50]
wao-ender lol [20:51]
wao-ender does age weight the price? [20:52]
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mircea_popescu it's cost not price. [20:52]
mircea_popescu like, you gotta feed her, house her, maybe even clothe her, at least after a few months. [20:52]
wao-ender I prefer naked ones [20:53]
pankkake clothes can be fun [20:53]
mircea_popescu and a treat. [20:53]
mircea_popescu besides. corsets. garters. [20:53]
wao-ender maybe s&m clothes [20:53]
mircea_popescu high heels. nipple shields. [20:53]
pankkake butt plugs are clothes too [20:53]
mircea_popescu there's plenty to do. [20:53]
nubbins` okay, done! [20:54]
nubbins` they're mailing me a box [20:54]
nubbins` (which i always find amusing) [20:54]
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nubbins` mircea_popescu: actually, i don't think i can even qualify my treatment as sexual harassment, let alone rape [20:58]
mircea_popescu wait, treatment by whom [20:58]
nubbins` apple [20:58]
nubbins` [20:58]
mircea_popescu nm what you say. i'm the feminist here. [20:58]
mircea_popescu and you'll be liberated willing or unwilling! [20:58]
nubbins` my sides, etc [20:58]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.155 BTC [+] [21:02]
nubbins` b.mine, b.sell, b.lel [21:03]
kakobrekla you b.mine and ill b.yours [21:03]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.155 BTC [+] [21:03]
nubbins` b.srs ;( [21:04]
mircea_popescu [21:04]
mircea_popescu regulation boots. [21:04]
nubbins` don't b.likethat [21:04]
mircea_popescu i mean b.oots. [21:04]
mircea_popescu lol ThickAsThieves you should have ofered 404 satoshi :D [21:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00092024 = 9.2944 BTC [-] [21:08]
mike_c symbol? [21:09]
ThickAsThieves you cant see unpublic symbols without special permission [21:10]
mike_c do you have special permission? [21:10]
ThickAsThieves admin can give permission to any account tho [21:10]
ThickAsThieves ie the20year could show you [21:10]
ThickAsThieves but whats the point [21:10]
ThickAsThieves just wait [21:10]
mike_c no point. i was just wondering if it was up. [21:11]
ThickAsThieves oh, i cant see it either [21:11]
ThickAsThieves special permission only giveable by HL and issuer [21:11]
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mike_c any particular reason you only PT'd [21:12]
pankkake at the time there were many passthroughs elsewhere? [21:13]
mike_c i guess the volume is so small it's not even worth the headache. [21:13]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.080004 = 0.4 BTC [+] {3} [21:14]
ThickAsThieves you mean why didnt i also make MPOE and BBET? [21:14]
mike_c yeah [21:14]
ThickAsThieves a few reasons [21:14]
ThickAsThieves mostly revolving around volume [21:14]
ThickAsThieves there are fees to carry a listing [21:14]
mike_c ah. ongoing fees. [21:15]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1620 @ 0.00012985 = 0.2104 BTC [+] [21:15]
ThickAsThieves this led me to considering a MPEX4 or such [21:15]
ThickAsThieves basket [21:15]
mike_c index fund. i like that idea in general. [21:15]
ThickAsThieves but then I dont actually have supply of shares to share [21:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.00565801 = 0.1245 BTC [-] {2} [21:16]
ThickAsThieves mpex already has a broker anyway [21:16]
mike_c yeah, but seems there is value to managing the index fund instead of having to do it yourself. [21:16]
ThickAsThieves too much work for too little reward [21:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 178 @ 0.00080556 = 0.1434 BTC [-] {9} [21:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC [21:18]
ThickAsThieves basically, BTC going to 1000, combined with BTCT and BF dying, killed a lot of the market [21:18]
Dimsler__ whast btct again? [21:18]
ThickAsThieves Excel for Shares [21:19]
Dimsler__ ohh the other one [21:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00012098 = 0.121 BTC [-] {7} [21:19]
Dimsler__ funny [21:19]
Dimsler__ cause btct was the only legit one [21:19]
Duffer1 it was so legit it got shut down before the other [21:19]
Dimsler__ well havelock is a pure boiler room [21:20]
Dimsler__ filled with bs overvalued companies [21:20]
ThickAsThieves so legit that I had the only security on BTCT with a 0 score [21:20]
Dimsler__ mmmhm [21:20]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00564219 = 0.5642 BTC [-] {3} [21:22]
ThickAsThieves hehe you still cant view market page without accepting "fantasy" disclaimer [21:22]
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mike_c they have to keep that in the code for when they sell it [21:22]
ThickAsThieves lol [21:23]
mircea_popescu cause btct was the only legit one <<< so they said. [21:23]
Dimsler__ lol [21:23]
nubbins` okay, so [21:23]
mircea_popescu in the end, same story as their mother : -50% in half a year. [21:23]
nubbins` remember earlier how my phone was broken? [21:23]
mircea_popescu nope [21:23]
nubbins` heh, eat a dick [21:23]
ThickAsThieves BTCT had a buyer, and I emphatically told Burnsy TAKE THE MONEY NOW [21:23]
mircea_popescu are you going to sell a spare charger now ? [21:24]
Dimsler__ i've lived through the NY / TSX boiler rooms, can easily spot all of them [21:24]
nubbins` nope [21:24]
ThickAsThieves last I heard he was still holding out [21:24]
ThickAsThieves for better offer [21:24]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00091996 = 22.263 BTC [-] {3} [21:24]
nubbins` i just cleaned a massive amount of impacted lint out of the jack [21:24]
nubbins` and now it charges just fine. [21:24]
Dimsler__ majority of the younger bitcoin nerds have no idea about financials [21:24]
Dimsler__ or trading [21:24]
mircea_popescu burnside knows better than anyone, he's an ex car mechanic or w/e, so it's to be understood. [21:24]
Dimsler__ yeah and roger ver was a fireworks salesman [21:24]
Dimsler__ and you are the romanian John Smith [21:24]
ThickAsThieves I wonder if burnsy is still lurking [21:25]
nubbins` so i guess i'll be a joke at whatever call center "allegra" works at [21:25]
Dimsler__ ideaoligist get butchered [21:25]
mircea_popescu cs chick's name actually listed as "allegra" ?! [21:25]
ThickAsThieves can I be the Portuguese Vasco da Gama [21:25]
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mircea_popescu they're not even trying anymore, naming these is like namig cars. [21:25]
mircea_popescu please wait while you're being serviced by concorda [21:26]
ThickAsThieves This is Enron speaking, how may I help you? [21:26]
Duffer1 ha [21:26]
nubbins` mircea_popescu: srsly, Sierra transferred me to Allegra [21:26]
nubbins` i started to suspect i was being had [21:27]
mircea_popescu should be like... integra. honesta. valua. [21:27]
nubbins` hope [21:27]
mircea_popescu "o hey valua... wanna go for drnks ? i'll buy you all the khalua you can put away" [21:27]
ThickAsThieves Fairness Commonsworth [21:27]
mircea_popescu imagine if the original inglebert humperdinck was trying to get hired. [21:27]
ThickAsThieves better than Catness at least [21:28]
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mircea_popescu Kittah [21:28]
nubbins` "inglebert speaking, can i help you [21:28]
mircea_popescu actually i guess there's two clear sets of female made-up names : the stripper type and the customer service rep type [21:28]
mircea_popescu tho i seem to recall a vegas sierra chick. [21:29]
nubbins` i'm amazed both at how much lint was in there, as well as my failure to remove it before driving all around the city and waiting on hold for 20 minutes [21:29]
nubbins` sierra just reminds me of video games [21:29]
ThickAsThieves and me of beer [21:29]
ThickAsThieves poor mountain range [21:30]
ThickAsThieves it needs a better logo i guess [21:30]
nubbins` don't we all [21:30]
ThickAsThieves "I would be willing to sell ATC for AM100." [21:30]
ThickAsThieves wtf is wrong with these people [21:30]
nubbins` hahahahaha [21:31]
nubbins` flailing around in a soup of words and ideas [21:31]
nubbins` "will trade life preserver for large bag of cereal or nvidia graphics card" [21:31]
Duffer1 how much was burns offered? [21:31]
ThickAsThieves i forget, likely 200btc range [21:31]
ThickAsThieves but i dunno what's made up and what's real anymore [21:32]
ThickAsThieves soooo [21:32]
nubbins` kraken still hasn't verified my totally fabricated personal info [21:32]
nubbins` shoulda called it slacken [21:32]
nubbins` the20year1, yep [21:32]
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nubbins` * quest and the incredible machine here [21:35]
nubbins` TIM really stands the test of time [21:35]
ThickAsThieves Ken let's one of his socks slip [21:36]
dub allegra's real name is kumarapatayafackalukoa zing [21:36]
ThickAsThieves "Just to clarify - Ken is regaining ACtM monies not his personal BTC. The 106BTC has been taken off our balance sheet" [21:36]
ThickAsThieves our [21:36]
ThickAsThieves or is this just another "we" as in being a part of something [21:36]
ThickAsThieves "My only advice is to buy some of these shares at 0.0005" [21:37]
ThickAsThieves lol [21:37]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves anyway, if it makes you feel any better, burnside's "buyer" was more fluff than anything. [21:37]
nubbins` it's amazing that bitcoin caught on at all with the amount of fail permeating every aspect of it [21:37]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [21:37]
nubbins` makes me want to divest [21:37]
ThickAsThieves mp you are likely correct [21:37]
mircea_popescu nubbins` the relationship is inverse. bitcoin is backed by fail and drama. and butthurt. [21:37]
dub s/every aspect/the same tardcircle [21:37]
mircea_popescu dub has it. [21:38]
ThickAsThieves I relayed an offer, which was too low cuz not 200 [21:38]
mircea_popescu basically... it's strateman fucking up bitcoinica and tux fucking up mtgox [21:38]
nubbins` yeah, that's valid [21:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36686 @ 0.00092067 = 33.7757 BTC [+] {2} [21:38]
mircea_popescu then both denying it and hiring each other [21:38]
mircea_popescu then denying it and starting a "foundation" [21:38]
mircea_popescu which fucks up and they deny and so on and on. it's pretty much one group of idiots. [21:38]
mircea_popescu which everyone mostly ignores by now anyways. [21:39]
ThickAsThieves dogecoin really gave us a little break time [21:39]
mircea_popescu and thankful we r. [21:39]
nubbins` dogecoin would make me weep, were it not for the endless lels [21:40]
mircea_popescu leltears are legitimate tears. [21:40]
nubbins` [21:40]
nubbins` mp, my grin is so wide that it squeezes my tear ducts shut. [21:40]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla btw [21:40]
nubbins` It's almost a regular occurrence now where a dogecoin proponent will make a post here proclaiming his or her disgust at how terrible a community we are, how we're all a bunch of greedy jerks, and that we're not as friendly as helpful and all-around-amazing as dogecoiners. [21:40]
nubbins` Does anyone not see the contradiction in this behavior? The louder and more strident these proclamations become, the more they demonstrate the opposite of their claims. [21:40]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [21:40]
kakobrekla aha aha [21:41]
nubbins` i might as well just have my sides surgically removed [21:41]
mircea_popescu lol reddit degenerating into all around bitchfest ? [21:41]
nubbins` yeah [21:41]
nubbins` some srs hate flowing between /r/bitcoin and /r/dogecoin [21:41]
mircea_popescu who could have foreseen this. [21:41]
nubbins` general consensus is that btc isn't fun enough [21:42]
wao-ender v0v [21:42]
mircea_popescu They are only assholes to new people, not people that know all about bitcoin. My first experience with bitcoin users was asking them how do I buy it. The answers I got was "its so easy! How do you not know? You are stupid, its so simple" And lets not forget my favorite one..."If you don't know how to buy it, you shouldn't be buying it" For a new person to crypto, its basically like going into a restaurant with really r [21:42]
mircea_popescu eally good food and the waiters are only being nice to and serving their friends and the regular customers. If you've never eaten there, they wont even seat you. Basically ensuring that new customers never come back, and I promise you, there is a lot of money out there that never got to buy bitcoin because of these assholes. [21:42]
ThickAsThieves it's our first World War [21:42]
mircea_popescu dude this is so perfect. [21:42]
ThickAsThieves The doge army attacks [21:42]
mircea_popescu if this is in fact the experience bitcoin delivers i have won. [21:42]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00091882 = 13.1851 BTC [-] {3} [21:42]
nubbins` "I think the dogecoiners protest too much, and that they are in fact the opposite of what they claim. We shouldn't put up with it and I'm glad we have moderators who delete those threads." [21:42]
pankkake bernankoin welcomes dogefugees [21:42]
nubbins` mircea_popescu: does he realize, i wonder, that the tables in that restaurant are already all taken? [21:43]
mircea_popescu pankkake i doubt you can inflate enough to keep up with the doge ppl. [21:43]
mircea_popescu nubbins` does he realise, i wonder, that the people in thar restaurant are not his skin color, not his skin odour and not his education level ? [21:43]
pankkake of course I can, the more the diff the more the inflate [21:43]
mircea_popescu "what do you mean i'm not welcome anywhere as i am!!11!!1" [21:44]
nubbins` food is color blind, man [21:44]
ThickAsThieves I'm gonna reply "See what happens when there are too many coin options? This is why I invented Altcoin! " [21:44]
kakobrekla the 15th standard. [21:45]
mircea_popescu works. [21:45]
Duffer1 .."seized by their issuer to recover losses under lien. It's legal..." [21:46]
Duffer1 lolol [21:46]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.56999 BTC [-] [21:49]
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pankkake award them the Internet Lawyer Diploma [21:51]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 52878 @ 0.00011202 = 5.9234 BTC [-] {9} [21:51]
nubbins` Ray Russell Reese III, that's a mouthful [21:52]
Namworld Can someone explain me why CBTC trades for almost 200 months of profits? [21:52]
nubbins` I've lost count of how many times people have confused my last name with "Reese" [21:52]
nubbins` Namworld: i don't think so, no :( [21:52]
ThickAsThieves Namworld, to piss you off [21:52]
Duffer1 they probably think it's the next satoshidice [21:52]
ThickAsThieves or, "hope" [21:53]
Namworld Then Havelock says Coinroll wants too high a valuation. [21:53]
Duffer1 wow [21:53]
pankkake > havelock says too high valuation [21:53]
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Duffer1 i'm having trouble believing that havelock said a valuation was too high [21:54]
Namworld They take just about anything, but they don't want Coinroll [21:54]
KRS- .bait [21:54]
assbot [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P410T] 1000 @ 0.38203597 = 382.036 BTC [21:54]
nubbins` pankkake: i know right? [21:55]
ThickAsThieves is that $410 or $4100? [21:55]
pankkake cbtc is supposed to announce an acquisition [21:55]
mircea_popescu that is 4100 [21:55]
ThickAsThieves i havent been keeping track [21:55]
ThickAsThieves thx [21:55]
mircea_popescu and what the hell. [21:55]
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assbot [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P500T] 1000 @ 0.4879146 = 487.9146 BTC [21:55]
assbot [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P485T] 1000 @ 0.47026816 = 470.2682 BTC [21:55]
assbot [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P470T] 1000 @ 0.45262172 = 452.6217 BTC [21:55]
assbot [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P455T] 1000 @ 0.43497529 = 434.9753 BTC [21:55]
assbot [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P440T] 1000 @ 0.41732885 = 417.3289 BTC [21:55]
assbot [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P425T] 1000 @ 0.39968241 = 399.6824 BTC [21:55]
mircea_popescu o boy [21:55]
pankkake lol [21:55]
nubbins` uh... [21:55]
nubbins` ! [21:55]
* nubbins` pops corn [21:56]
mike_c check the manual, how do you withdraw from mpbor :D [21:56]
mircea_popescu these were all the bids incidentally. [21:56]
mircea_popescu so this is actually a btc long play [21:56]
kakobrekla mike_c send it on the No side [21:56]
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nubbins` ;;calc (382+487+470+452+434+417+399)*[ticker --last] [21:58]
gribble 2829635.295 [21:58]
mircea_popescu myeah [21:58]
* nubbins` nods [21:58]
nubbins` if you're buying us all ice cream, i prefer chocolate [21:58]
mircea_popescu by the looks of it i may end up buying someone a new yacht [21:59]
assbot [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P500T] 1000 @ 0.48788011 = 487.8801 BTC [-] [21:59]
assbot [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P485T] 1000 @ 0.4702347 = 470.2347 BTC [-] [21:59]
mircea_popescu o.o [22:00]
nubbins` cover the berthing fees for a year and you've got yourself a deal [22:00]
ThickAsThieves whoa [22:00]
nubbins` oh wow, not done yet [22:00]
ThickAsThieves so someone is writing all these Puts? [22:00]
mircea_popescu maybe i'm buying someone a new planet [22:00]
mike_c mpoe is writing them [22:00]
michiel_l_ midnightmagic mikaeldice mike_c MiningBuddy- mircea_popescu mius mixdio [22:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.10333326 = 0.31 BTC [+] {2} [22:00]
assbot [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P470T] 1000 @ 0.4525893 = 452.5893 BTC [-] [22:00]
assbot [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P455T] 1000 @ 0.4349439 = 434.9439 BTC [-] [22:00]
mircea_popescu mike_c nope [22:00]
assbot [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P440T] 1000 @ 0.41729849 = 417.2985 BTC [-] [22:00]
assbot [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P425T] 1000 @ 0.39965309 = 399.6531 BTC [-] [22:00]
mike_c er, buying them :) [22:00]
assbot [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P410T] 1000 @ 0.38200769 = 382.0077 BTC [-] [22:00]
mircea_popescu yeah [22:01]
mircea_popescu fucking options. [22:01]
mircea_popescu worst racket in the world. [22:01]
mircea_popescu when you get no customers you're depressed. but then when you do, you're worried. [22:01]
nubbins` ;;calc (382+487+470+452+434+417+399+487+470+452+434+417+399+382)*[ticker --last] [22:02]
gribble 5656260 [22:02]
ThickAsThieves not being accusatory, but would this be a way for MPEX to squeeze MPBOR writers? [22:02]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves how would it go ? [22:02]
ThickAsThieves i dunno [22:02]
mircea_popescu then no lol. [22:02]
mike_c who said the speculator is going to win? [22:02]
ThickAsThieves well the idea would be for tyhe speculator to lose intentionally [22:03]
mircea_popescu speculator may well lose its speculative shirt. [22:03]
ThickAsThieves cuz speculator is mpex/mp itself [22:03]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.11576666 = 0.3473 BTC [+] {3} [22:03]
mike_c if speculator loses bondholders make money [22:04]
mike_c cuz lots of capital required = lots of interest [22:04]
jurov !t m ^oix [22:05]
jurov ..computing... [22:05]
assbot [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 122.22370491 / 121.39535668 / 120.63410743 (14 shares, 0.61 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC) [22:05]
mircea_popescu nah cause they're sales see [22:05]
assbot [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P500T] 1000 @ 0.48820451 = 488.2045 BTC [+] [22:07]
assbot [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P485T] 1000 @ 0.47054938 = 470.5494 BTC [+] [22:07]
assbot [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P470T] 1000 @ 0.45289424 = 452.8942 BTC [+] [22:07]
assbot [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P455T] 1000 @ 0.43523911 = 435.2391 BTC [+] [22:07]
assbot [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P440T] 1000 @ 0.41758397 = 417.584 BTC [+] [22:07]
assbot [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P425T] 1000 @ 0.39992884 = 399.9288 BTC [+] [22:07]
assbot [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P410T] 1000 @ 0.3822737 = 382.2737 BTC [+] [22:07]
mircea_popescu of come on [22:07]
ThickAsThieves lol [22:07]
mircea_popescu well i suppose on the positive angle... this probably takes mpex avg trade pretty close to mpex account fee [22:07]
mircea_popescu much to the peanut gallery's delight [22:07]
nubbins` ;;calc (382+487+470+452+434+417+399+487+470+452+434+417+399+382+488+470+452+435+417+399+382)*[ticker --last] [22:08]
gribble 8486204.375 [22:08]
nubbins` getting uncomfortable yet? [22:08]
mircea_popescu just a few k's. i've seen worse. [22:08]
ThickAsThieves ;;calc (382+487+470+452+434+417+399+487+470+452+434+417+399+382+488+470+452+435+417+399+382)*5000 [22:08]
gribble 45625000 [22:08]
* pankkake starts bitbet "MP homeless in 2014" [22:08]
mircea_popescu you guise... i can crash at your pads right ? [22:08]
mircea_popescu i could be as cool as taaki. [22:09]
nubbins` wait, you mean romania doesn't house the destitute for free? [22:09]
mircea_popescu no because it's run by nazi assholes who don't believe in welfare. [22:09]
Namworld Oh lol. [22:09]
pankkake does taaki take showers? [22:09]
ThickAsThieves i hear there's a lot of slave work in ROmania [22:09]
nubbins` Namworld, +1 [22:09]
ThickAsThieves oh wait [22:09]
mircea_popescu pankkake when it rains [22:09]
mircea_popescu "ActualMoney HACKED! 70 million people's wallet information stolen! Wallet's flawed! May need to upgrade wallets to new version!" [22:09]
ThickAsThieves "actualmoney ATM spotted in the wild" [22:10]
mircea_popescu well that lasted 3 entries... [22:10]
pankkake hahaha sometimes reddit delivers [22:10]
ThickAsThieves lol [22:10]
nubbins` $8m USD in bennies would make it rain pretty hard [22:10]
nubbins` you'd get cotton fever [22:10]
* nubbins` thinks [22:10]
nubbins` they do use cotton paper, yes? [22:10]
mircea_popescu so i guess bitbet killed last month... mpex kills this month... [22:11]
mircea_popescu we're sort-of taking turns to act as an executive officer for the week... [22:11]
BingoBoingo nubbins`: But $8m USD in pennies... Depending on how high they fall from might qualify as a mass casualty incident (hashtag)BitRichTerrorism [22:11]
pankkake so next month the cardano is shipping? [22:11]
mircea_popescu must be so [22:11]
nubbins` BingoBoingo: canada has abolished the penny, it's the way forward [22:11]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo pennymeteor [22:12]
BingoBoingo nubbins`: Also cotton fever is from when you get the filter cotton stuck in your veins because Phillip Seymour Hoffman [22:12]
mircea_popescu lol [22:12]
Namworld How much collateral would a P500 require right now? [22:12]
nubbins` right, sure [22:12]
nubbins` i was getting confused with cotton lung [22:12]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC [22:13]
nubbins` byssinosis? [22:13]
mircea_popescu something like 6 btc [22:13]
mircea_popescu .6 [22:13]
mike_c strike/spot [22:13]
nubbins` BingoBoingo: real men don't filter anyway [22:13]
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nubbins` straight from spoon to digs [22:13]
ThickAsThieves some just traded AM100 for ATC, he [22:14]
mircea_popescu real men analdrop it ? [22:14]
mike_c ;;calc 500/[ticker --last] [22:14]
gribble 0.542169975254 [22:14]
ThickAsThieves so through inventing nothing i provided AM100 liquidity [22:14]
ThickAsThieves magical [22:14]
nubbins` not bad [22:15]
Duffer1 [22:15]
Duffer1 ^ document not found [22:15]
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nubbins` mircea_popescu, there was a "performance artist" here years ago who chugged a bottle of wine up his ass and attempted to shit it out [22:15]
mircea_popescu did he perform ? [22:16]
nubbins` sphincter stopped cooperating [22:16]
nubbins` he got very very intoxicated [22:16]
assbot [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P455T] 250 @ 0.43518255 = 108.7956 BTC [-] [22:16]
assbot [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P440T] 700 @ 0.41752928 = 292.2705 BTC [-] [22:16]
assbot [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P425T] 1000 @ 0.39987601 = 399.876 BTC [-] [22:16]
assbot [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P410T] 1000 @ 0.38222274 = 382.2227 BTC [-] [22:16]
ThickAsThieves stop the madness! [22:16]
nubbins` in his defense, chugging a bottle of wine with his ass was indeed a performance [22:16]
dub real men dump gear into syringe, add hot water [22:16]
mircea_popescu o look it's tapering [22:16]
nubbins` dub, they don't make funnels that small! [22:16]
dub I knew a few peopel who did that [22:17]
mircea_popescu what do real women do ? [22:17]
nubbins` ;;calc (382+487+470+452+434+417+399+487+470+452+434+417+399+382+488+470+452+435+417+399+382+108+292+399+382)*[ticker --last] [22:17]
gribble 9504399.42306 [22:17]
nubbins` mircea_popescu: whatever they want! [22:17]
nubbins` :0 [22:17]
ThickAsThieves ;;market buy 10000 [22:18]
gribble A market order to buy 10000 bitcoins right now would take 10067544.3676 USD and would take the last price up to 1090.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 1006.7544 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0854 seconds [22:18]
ThickAsThieves it's probly mtgox buying the options [22:18]
ThickAsThieves selling [22:18]
nubbins` maybe it's a winklevo [22:18]
nubbins` or whatever you call one of them [22:18]
kakobrekla its phantom [22:18]
nubbins` winklevode [22:19]
ThickAsThieves ;;market buy 50000 [22:19]
gribble This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 21066.667 bitcoins, for a total of 39555715342.1433 USD and take the price to 3600000000.0000. | Data vintage: 52.3027 seconds [22:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.155 BTC [+] [22:19]
BingoBoingo Nah, has to be gox, since all of their money is of the monopoly variety they can push their price wherever they want. [22:19]
ThickAsThieves but price needs to hold over it for more than a day [22:19]
kakobrekla yea but phantom will handle gox default [22:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.155 = 0.775 BTC [+] [22:20]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo i guess we see if there's further divergence. [22:20]
nubbins` [22:20]
nubbins` "If recent trends continue, Microsoft could overtake Apache within the next few months, ending Apache's 17+ year reign as the most common web server" [22:20]
ThickAsThieves eww [22:21]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.24310363 = 1.4586 BTC [22:21]
mircea_popescu i dunno how much weight i put on "sites" counting. [22:21]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well I mean the other possibility is maybe Secondmarket's fund which has been buying almost exclusively OTC has run out of sellers and needs to go to an exchange. [22:21]
pankkake yeah, nginx is probably serving more than apache [22:21]
mircea_popescu possibly. [22:22]
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nubbins` ah [22:22]
nubbins` all sites vs active sites [22:22]
pankkake it's hard to count though. per domains? ips? [22:22]
mircea_popescu thy count domains. [22:23]
mircea_popescu it's not particularly meaningful imo, but hey. [22:23]
pankkake I have plenty of domains, and subdomains [22:23]
pankkake and typically, you can have subdomains hosted with different servers [22:23]
mircea_popescu basically one of the squatters moving ot a ms outfit can account for the entire "trend" [22:24]
nubbins` Diablo-D3, what did you think all those .NET sites ran on? [22:24]
nubbins` nope [22:24]
nubbins` uses iis [22:24]
BingoBoingo There's also the thing where any number of pwned windows boxes can become IIS servers [22:24]
ThickAsThieves reminds me of furuknap [22:24]
ThickAsThieves the sharepoint lover [22:24]
nubbins` unless it's changed in the last couple years [22:24]
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nubbins` 1/3 of .net sites use mono, really? [22:25]
nubbins` wow [22:25]
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nubbins` windows hosting = $$$$ [22:26]
ThickAsThieves my desire for more bitcoin drama this morning has been sated by all these options sales :) [22:26]
pankkake good spider sense [22:26]
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nubbins` TBH that's the biggest ? in all of this [22:26]
mircea_popescu ya srsly. [22:26]
mircea_popescu your inner spider is sensible. [22:27]
nubbins` but the point about mono helps explain it [22:27]
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assbot [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P410T] 666 @ 0.38217745 = 254.5302 BTC [-] [22:27]
mircea_popescu ahahaha dat touch. [22:27]
dub option of the beast [22:27]
mircea_popescu for the record, the record is 482`472 BTC notional trade. back in march. [22:27]
nubbins` record record [22:28]
dub recordception? [22:28]
mircea_popescu this book is like 25k, so far. [22:28]
nubbins` yeah, i got tangled up there too [22:28]
ThickAsThieves i guess i should close my shorts [22:28]
dub yeah or your junk will fall out [22:28]
nubbins` ThickAsThieves, was wondering about the smell [22:28]
Duffer1 >.< [22:28]
nubbins` i mean, it always stinks like dick in here [22:29]
nubbins` but [22:29]
ThickAsThieves now pubes too [22:29]
nubbins` yeah, a different sort of musk [22:29]
mircea_popescu [22:29]
mircea_popescu there, fixed. [22:29]
pankkake the elon musk? [22:29]
mircea_popescu ahahaha [22:29]
mircea_popescu dude how long had you been waiting for that one ? [22:30]
pankkake 0, as I didn't make the association before [22:30]
nubbins` elon = eww, like, overwhelming nausea [22:30]
nubbins` struggling for an "e" word to go with "lord, our noses" [22:31]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.15899987 BTC [+] [22:31]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.24310363 = 1.2155 BTC [22:32]
nubbins` [22:33]
nubbins` the question in question: [22:34]
mircea_popescu was that crowdsourced ? [22:34]
benkay nerds make tasteless jokes? [22:34]
nubbins` "Everybody needs loving and understanding. People get their courage to live from loving and understanding. Understanding means listening and compassion. Rape victims have to gather their courage to live in order to stand on their dignity and to face future." [22:34]
benkay color me surprised. [22:34]
mircea_popescu fucking bullshit of the first degree, incidentally. [22:35]
mircea_popescu people don't get their "courage to live" from a bunch of other dorks. [22:35]
mircea_popescu it's inside or it's not present at all. [22:35]
benkay but a hug and a shoulder to cry on can help the poor abused kitten return to normal. [22:36]
nubbins` "Heather is a young rape victim. She would die if she could not stand on her dignity and no future. Unfortunately the persistent bullying online and calling her a "slut" in her community show that nobody would listen her and there is no compassion towards her. A person willing to die causes the person's attempting suicide. Whether is Heather attempting a suicide?" [22:36]
dub why is part of canukistan named after two dogs? [22:36]
pankkake actually, the bunch of other dorks makes you want to kill yourself more [22:36]
nubbins` dub: the obvious answer is the correct one. [22:36]
dub crack smoking mayors? [22:36]
nubbins` ...that's the obvious answer? [22:36]
dub crack has to come into it clearly [22:37]
* nubbins` shrugs [22:37]
nubbins` actual answer is that both breeds originated from here [22:37]
nubbins` they have a common ancestor in the St. John's water dog [22:38]
dub seems unlikely [22:38]
nubbins` well, that's the funny thing about "seems" [22:38]
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nubbins` not as funny as the fact that the newfoundland dog was bred in labrador and the labrador retriever was bred in newfoundland [22:39]
nubbins` but hey, what can ya do [22:39]
dub stands to reason [22:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22806 @ 0.00092181 = 21.0228 BTC [+] {2} [22:39]
nubbins` nod [22:40]
nubbins` newfoundland dogs are great [22:40]
nubbins` they're so goddamn big [22:40]
nubbins` very gentle too [22:40]
Duffer1 [22:40]
mircea_popescu dub is un-a-bashed. [22:41]
mircea_popescu nubbins apparently likes the cok. [22:42]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.13200001 BTC [-] [22:42]
benkay great danes are large and gentle as well [22:42]
nubbins` i know the words you're using [22:42]
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nubbins` but i don't understand the order in which you've put them [22:43]
nubbins` but i don't understand the order in which you've put them [22:43]
mircea_popescu just simple pattern matching dood. the last time i was talking to someone telling me about how "it's great, so goddamn big but gentle" the subject was penis and the speaker a slut. [22:43]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.132 = 0.264 BTC [-] [22:43]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC [22:43]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 799 @ 0.00433582 = 3.4643 BTC [-] {18} [22:43]
nubbins` hmm right [22:43]
nubbins` you may wish to tweak your algo [22:43]
nubbins` [22:44]
nubbins` ^ newfoundland dog [22:44]
jcpham fuck that [22:44]
jcpham not indoors [22:44]
mircea_popescu ahaha [22:44]
jcpham i have a husky indoor and i want to kill that fucker [22:44]
mircea_popescu so basically if you can't reach in the top cabinet, [22:44]
mircea_popescu you can ask for the dog to get it. [22:45]
nubbins` yeah exactly! [22:45]
jcpham imagine if it chews anything [22:45]
jcpham you can't hide it [22:45]
nubbins` the newfie dog also graces the box of one of my favourite local beers [22:45]
nubbins` [22:45]
nubbins` jcpham, consider chew marks on the window sill behind the sink [22:45]
nubbins` "the fuck...?" [22:45]
jcpham yeah [22:45]
jcpham dats a big yo [22:46]
jcpham *dog [22:46]
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nubbins` i can't recall if newfoundlands were bred from labs [22:46]
jcpham might get bored and chew the middle or top of a door frame [22:46]
nubbins` or vice versa [22:46]
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nubbins` anyway, i generally don't like dogs at all, but these big fluffy fuckers are great [22:46]
jcpham i'd hate trying to dominate and train it too [22:46]
jcpham sounds like work [22:46]
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mircea_popescu they prolly want you to. [22:47]
nubbins` ^ [22:47]
mircea_popescu not like the litthe fuckers you gott fight with [22:47]
mircea_popescu like pitbulls etc. [22:47]
jcpham large male indoor dogs have to be dominated yo [22:47]
nubbins` nah, they call these things "gentle giants" [22:48]
jcpham i'd stare at it until it sits it's ass down [22:48]
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ThickAsThieves i had a gf that had a newfie, they are very gentle, but also kinda fragile [22:48]
jcpham gentle giant and everything [22:48]
nubbins` webbed feet, great swimmers [22:48]
ThickAsThieves they live what 6-9 years? [22:49]
jcpham but if it's labrador genome it's probably docile [22:49]
jcpham i've got a hell of a fucked alpha male living with me [22:49]
nubbins` tat, 8-10 [22:49]
nubbins` labs are docile if you train them, hard to train tho [22:49]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC [22:49]
nubbins` they're fucking idiots if you don't [22:49]
jcpham i should've done more research on siberian huskies [22:50]
jcpham fucking dog challenges me daily for supremacy [22:50]
nubbins` wow, largest newfoundland was 260lbs [22:50]
nubbins` 120kg [22:50]
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nubbins` [22:51]
nubbins` "a newfoundland dog lying next to its combed-out seasonal undercoat" [22:51]
nubbins` do not want [22:51]
jcpham yeah the multiple coats [22:52]
jcpham which means more shedding [22:52]
* jcpham should've done more research on specific breeds prior to owning one [22:53]
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dub looks like my cat [22:53]
chipug anyone any ideas how to get hold of someone pretty far up the chain in bitcoin to explain to some authority types? [22:53]
dub talk to jcpham [22:53]
jcpham chipug! [22:53]
bigboss bitcoin 4100 next month? [22:53]
jcpham you are in luck! [22:53]
dub and Namworld [22:53]
dub and bigboss [22:53]
jcpham here i am. I'm approximately 72% up the chain right now [22:53]
dub al top of the bitcoi nauthority chain [22:53]
blg chipug: message me [22:53]
chipug lol jcpham [22:53]
benkay top of the blockchain [22:54]
chipug i mean i need someone to talk to government [22:54]
nubbins` chipug, what sort of chain are you looking for someone to be far up? [22:54]
chipug this is important [22:54]
jcpham nevermind i'm busy [22:54]
* jcpham whistles [22:54]
benkay important? sounds important. also amazing. [22:54]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [22:54]
nubbins` heh [22:54]
dub which gubbermint [22:54]
nubbins` chipug: maybe you'd better start with exactly what you're trying to do [22:54]
dub and lol important? [22:54]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00092887 = 6.1305 BTC [+] {2} [22:54]
chipug i would like to find someone to talk to the scottish government about bitcoin [22:55]
jcpham bitcoin + important sounds life changing [22:55]
benkay why can't you, chipug? [22:55]
chipug theyve just decided its illegal [22:55]
chipug and they are having another conference [22:55]
nubbins` chipug: would the scottish government like to talk to someone? [22:55]
chipug i know one of the head procurator fiscals [22:55]
nubbins` 'cause ya know [22:55]
dub they're drunk tell them to go home [22:55]
chipug and i wondered if someone would talk to himn and tell him what a fucking idiot he is being [22:55]
benkay source please, chipug [22:55]
nubbins` hahaha [22:55]
BingoBoingo chipug: [22:55]
nubbins` great plan, will work [22:55]
chipug i know it wont but would you rather i didn't try when i have heard this on the QT?? [22:56]
nubbins` honestly i don't think any of us care [22:56]
chipug this isnt public knowledge [22:56]
nubbins` it is now [22:56]
chipug ok fair enough [22:56]
nubbins` sorry [22:56]
mike_c it's public rumor now, not knowledge quite yet [22:56]
chipug no worries, just thought folk would care if the government are looking at seizing it [22:56]
dub as soon as bourbon barrels are only exchangable for bitcoin they'll roll over like the scotsmen they are [22:57]
nubbins` chipug: walk through the steps of a bitcoin seizure in your head [22:57]
chipug mike_c: i hope the rumour mill does something more than the deaf ears i met [22:57]
jcpham is golf still legal? [22:57]
nubbins` they seized golf too [22:57]
chipug nubbins, i didnt come to get bitched at [22:57]
jcpham FARK [22:57]
jcpham these bastards and their laws [22:57]
chipug just thought might be good for someone that can explain technically and historically to tell them that it isnt all criminal activity - which is what they concluded last week [22:58]
nubbins` chipug: i know, but i don't think you fully understand what you're talking about [22:58]
jcpham oh yeah that's not me [22:58]
jcpham i'm purposefully lacking credentials [22:58]
chipug of course i don't nubbins! why the fuck do you think i am here now?! [22:58]
bigboss who bet 10m that bitcoin will be over 4500 next month [22:58]
dub scotland did [22:59]
nubbins` because you think this is a thing that (a) people would worry about and (b) your government can do something about [22:59]
Duffer1 bigboss someone with the resources to make it happen [22:59]
chipug i heard about this through family and i just thought, fuck that doesn't sound good. I wonder if someone could help things. I apologise to all for that [22:59]
nubbins` two false assumptions that brought you here [22:59]
jcpham do you have 10 million dollars to bet with bigboss? [22:59]
nubbins` hey, apology accepted. stick around for a chat [22:59]
chipug nah [22:59]
chipug bit sour dude [22:59]
nubbins` cheer up [22:59]
chipug lol [22:59]
chipug doesnt seem to be too fun to chat so far [23:00]
jcpham nubbins` is mad because he hasn't sold that .5 silver cas coin yet [23:00]
benkay chipug: the attitude to bear is "don't fuck with bitcoin" not "oh no this is going to hurt bitcoin" [23:00]
nubbins` we're just taking ths piss out of you [23:00]
chipug sure seems mad [23:00]
nubbins` jcpham: i sold one two weeks ago for 6btc [23:00]
jcpham FARK [23:00]
chipug thanks benkay that's advice i can use at least [23:00]
* nubbins` nods [23:00]
jcpham i hate this internets [23:00]
nubbins` jcpham, i still have 3 or 4 more to sell [23:00]
nubbins` it's not too late for you [23:00]
benkay also chipug read this [23:01]
benkay it'll explain your experience here today. [23:01]
benkay maybe. [23:01]
chipug no wonder folk don't hang around this community, i was right the first time [23:01]
Duffer1 i would wait until next month to buy one hehe [23:01]
jcpham sorry i sold everything for dogecoin weeks ago [23:01]
jcpham I'M RICH NOW BRO [23:01]
nubbins` chipug: i hope they don't make dogecoin illegal next :( [23:01]
nubbins` Duffer1: sounds good, the price should be higher by then :D [23:02]
Duffer1 ^.^ [23:02]
* chipug nods at benkay after reading [23:02]
chipug nubbins`: ok, good for you? [23:03]
jcpham stay away from the log chipug, itsatrap [23:03]
nubbins` chipug: now who's being rude? ;( [23:03]
chipug nubbins`: treat those how you want to be treated back [23:03]
nubbins` anyway, we're only giving you a hard time because you've incorrectly identified something that isn't a problem as being a huge problem [23:03]
kakobrekla where can i send you all my coins chipug [23:03]
nubbins` no hard feelings, toughen up, etc :) [23:03]
ThickAsThieves I'm spreading the word of MPEX to the crowd [23:03]
chipug ok nubbins, maybe you couldve just said: think you are worrying unecessarily like benjay did [23:04]
jcpham kakobrekla is also pretty close to the top of the blockchain [23:04]
chipug benkay* sorry [23:04]
ThickAsThieves "didn't even know this existed" [23:04]
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nubbins` chipug: but then how would i keep up the appearance of being an asshole? [23:04]
BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves: How many threads do they have on Doge? [23:04]
chipug does ignore work on irc? [23:04]
nubbins` yeah, /ignore nick [23:04]
blg lol [23:04]
nubbins` e.g. /ignore nubbins` [23:04]
lippoper Doge is pretty awesome [23:05]
dub this is quite the accelerated noob cycle [23:05]
lippoper falling down soo hard [23:05]
nubbins` dub, that's the future for ya [23:05]
dub Hi I need help, fuck you all im ignoring you [23:05]
nubbins` hahah [23:05]
lippoper 138 satoshis today, 2 days ago 186 [23:05]
lippoper still, nothing we haven't seen before [23:05]
nubbins` click on a user's nickname and press alt-f4 to permanently ignore them [23:06]
lippoper but it's fun to see the noobs panic selling [23:06]
lippoper and profitable [23:06]
chipug doesn't work for me [23:06]
dub lippoper: still 186 times more than its worth [23:06]
nubbins` chipug, are you on windows? [23:06]
chipug for my sins! [23:07]
lippoper dub: that's like saying bitcoin is still worth 800 times more than its worth [23:07]
dub we should continue thi sin #dogecoin [23:08]
lippoper lol [23:08]
ThickAsThieves good idea [23:08]
ThickAsThieves after you [23:08]
dub shh [23:09]
lippoper (4:09:14 PM) lippoper: dub: Rub-a-dub-dub, dogecoins to da moon! [23:09]
lippoper lol [23:09]
ThickAsThieves of course another crowd is scared of mpex... "OK well this makes no sense to me, maybe someone can help me here? I just want to verify the trade is all. Nothing on that page even says bitcoin lol" [23:10]
dub wheres the css? [23:10]
ThickAsThieves add a Bitcoin logo [23:11]
ThickAsThieves or BIT.COIN [23:11]
jurov so, these whale options have breakeven around 850? [23:12]
jurov seems benkay again provided me with wrong formulas [23:12]
benkay fail everywhere [23:13]
ThickAsThieves ah [23:13]
mike_c yes, they break even around 850 [23:13]
jurov instead of (strike / (1 + buyprice)) / lotsize it's (strike/lotsize)/(1+(buyprice/lotsize)) [23:14]
lippoper he suckered you [23:14]
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ThickAsThieves $avg [23:15]
mpexbot ThickAsThieves: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. [23:15]
jurov let's bribe nanotube to fix it [23:15]
jurov oh that's mpexbot not gribble [23:16]
jurov $tivker --avg [23:16]
jurov $ticker --avg [23:16]
ThickAsThieves ;;ticker --avg [23:16]
gribble 929.79764 [23:16]
jurov eh [23:16]
ThickAsThieves so mpex still uses goxprice [23:17]
mircea_popescu chipug sure. [23:17]
ThickAsThieves whyfor [23:17]
nubbins` because gox is best [23:17]
jurov they used 848.37 on opex. that isn't gox price [23:18]
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mike_c ;;bc,24hprc [23:19]
chipug hi mircea_popescu sorry, what i miss there? [23:19]
gribble 852.02 [23:19]
ThickAsThieves "crikey! I'd like to cover this on Cryptocoins News can I contact you tomorrow about this?" mircea_popescu, I gave him your contact info [23:19]
lippoper !bait [23:19]
dub crikey! [23:19]
lippoper !crikey! [23:19]
dub wheres vexual [23:19]
BingoBoingo .bait [23:20]
mircea_popescu chipug you wanted someone up the pole or w/e, you're talking to him. now what ? [23:20]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves yeah htey found me. [23:20]
chipug oh i'm really sorry mircea_popescu apparently, there's no point and i should just shut up [23:21]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves nah, uses the bitcoincharts usd avg [23:21]
mircea_popescu which i think still includes gox [23:21]
mircea_popescu chipug don't take what ppl say to heart eh. if nobody knows you and you behave "weird" you'll get trollbaited. [23:21]
ThickAsThieves k [23:21]
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kingofsports hello all. [23:22]
ThickAsThieves wait USD avg cant be that high [23:22]
jurov gox pulls it up [23:22]
mircea_popescu hi. [23:22]
jurov says 852 too [23:22]
ThickAsThieves ;;ticker --avg [23:23]
gribble 929.79605 [23:23]
assbot 123! [23:23]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.132 BTC [-] [23:23]
kingofsports mircea i saw the large option purchase on looks like it was puts being bought not calls as u said in chat. [23:23]
chipug thanks mircea_popescu, still a bit wide eyed in life has to be said. explanation: gvt are investigating bitcoin in scotland and the procurator fiscals have decided its bad and dodgy etc etc and they are having another conference. I had wondered if it might help if someone explained where they are wrong [23:23]
ThickAsThieves it was Puts being sold [23:23]
kingofsports since when is assbot connected to havelock? [23:23]
ThickAsThieves since ages [23:23]
mircea_popescu chipug well, if they want to listen, sure. [23:23]
kingofsports ah cool [23:24]
jurov So they sold puts to mpoebot? [23:24]
ThickAsThieves as i understand it [23:24]
kakobrekla what do you mean it doest get all their trades?! [23:24]
mircea_popescu kingofsports puts sold short = long play, which is what i said. [23:24]
ThickAsThieves he means it doesnt print tiny ones in this chan [23:24]
chipug really? happily noted [23:25]
kingofsports so wait...i thought he bought the option to buy like 5-10k btc if price falls below 500 or whatever he chose (some 470 445 and 410). how is this a long play? [23:25]
mircea_popescu o, that. so go to #bitcoin-assets-trades for all the dust. [23:25]
mircea_popescu kingofsports mno, he sold puts. [23:25]
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jurov either they got margin from mp or they needed 50k collateral O.o [23:25]
kingofsports to who? mpex buys puts? i thought u just wrote them [23:25]
kingofsports so your betting BTC prices fall below $500. [23:26]
benkay "market maker" is the term of art kingofsports [23:26]
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chipug is it possible for one country to ban bitcoin and everyone else use it still or would others just follow suit you think? [23:26]
benkay chipug: again, don't think in terms of people doing stuff to bitcoin. bitcoin is here, and the world must now deal with it. that in now way entails saying no to the changes it will bring. [23:26]
kingofsports how long is the option good for? [23:26]
benkay kingofsports: options called out with a T are for this month, N for next. [23:27]
jurov Feb 28 [23:27]
* chipug nods at benkay ty [23:27]
jurov < [23:27]
kingofsports mpex paid him .488 per BTC for a 30 day option for $500 or below...that seems like way too much. [23:27]
jurov it's in need of rewrite but basic info is there [23:28]
kakobrekla i think kingofsports got the denomination wrong [23:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.13 BTC [-] [23:28]
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mircea_popescu kingofsports they all expire last fri of month [23:28]
kingofsports it said 1000 @ .488 = 488 btc [23:28]
kingofsports for the $500 one. [23:28]
mike_c it's $5,000 [23:28]
kakobrekla not per BTC [23:28]
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jurov yes but the strike is actually 5000 USD/BTC [23:29]
mircea_popescu technically the lot is .1 but same effect. [23:29]
kingofsports this shit is so confusing. on mpoe it says $500 strike price. put option. a put cant be a strike price above the current price...2nd why would mpex pay .488 BTC per 1 BTC option for $5000 strike price. that is an insane fee. i wouldnt pay more than 0.05 [23:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22250 @ 0.000931 = 20.7148 BTC [+] {4} [23:30]
mike_c kingofsports: [23:30]
mike_c [23:30]
kakobrekla kingofsports thats why you dont have 5k btc or w/e [23:31]
kakobrekla yees mike is more helpful [23:31]
mike_c i'm in a good mood today [23:31]
mircea_popescu kingofsports the losts are .1 btc dood. [23:31]
mircea_popescu lots* [23:31]
kakobrekla its a dBTC denomination [23:32]
kakobrekla took it after Bit4x [23:32]
kakobrekla bastard. [23:32]
mircea_popescu lol [23:32]
Duffer1 kingofsports the ticker would read 050 if the strike was 500$ [23:32]
mircea_popescu srsly. [23:32]
kingofsports oh. [23:32]
mike_c no, they are lots of 100 hBTC [23:32]
Duffer1 500 is 5000$ [23:32]
kingofsports okay got the 5000 down. [23:32]
ThickAsThieves yes, the extra 0 costs mpex too much [23:32]
mircea_popescu 0s are the most expensive part of finance. [23:33]
mike_c bandwidth isn't free [23:33]
mircea_popescu rest is easy. [23:33]
kingofsports now what is 1000 @ .488 = 488 BTC mean? No way mpex bought that option for 488 BTC. [23:33]
ThickAsThieves !b4 [23:33]
ThickAsThieves dammit [23:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.129 = 0.258 BTC [-] {2} [23:33]
kingofsports I'd sell that option anyday. 400% gain in price in 30 days. VERY doubtful. [23:33]
mircea_popescu kingofsports mpoe bot bought 1k lots of .1 btc for .488 each, worth 488 total [23:33]
kingofsports so for .488 BTC you have the ability to buy how many BTC option wise for $5000 should it reach that pricew? [23:34]
kakobrekla 22:33.28 ( kingofsports ) I'd sell that option anyday. 400% gain in price in 30 days. VERY doubtful. < never happend in btc, ever. [23:34]
mircea_popescu jesus. [23:34]
kingofsports thats why kako. if mpoe wants that option for such a huge gain id offer it. [23:34]
mircea_popescu kingofsports, calculate for me the present value of one put option on 1 btc struck at 5000 dollars. [23:34]
kingofsports .488 BTC [23:35]
mircea_popescu calculate it, dun copy/paste numbers at me [23:35]
davout lol [23:35]
mircea_popescu what's this, school ? [23:35]
kingofsports according to your site its .488 BTC for 1 BTC option. [23:35]
mircea_popescu never mind that. this is a basic skill, calculating present value of options. do so. [23:35]
kingofsports for 30 days, $5000 strike. [23:35]
jurov ;;calc (5000-852)/852 [23:37]
gribble 4.86854460094 [23:37]
mike_c brown nose ;) [23:37]
mircea_popescu lol [23:37]
kingofsports (5000-800)/(800-(.48 x 800) [23:38]
mircea_popescu so there you have it, jurov enables cheating and thus ensuring people never learn anything. [23:38]
mircea_popescu wait what ?! [23:38]
kingofsports guess im wrong. [23:38]
mircea_popescu puts present value is (strike - spot) / spot. [23:38]
mircea_popescu so yeah, a 1 btc put struck at 5k is worth tm about 4.86 btc. [23:39]
mircea_popescu since these are .1 btc lots, they sold for .488 [23:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3060 @ 0.00092406 = 2.8276 BTC [-] [23:39]
mike_c i always think of it as (strike / spot) - 1 [23:39]
mike_c value - cost [23:39]
kingofsports its a put at 5000 oh. [23:39]
mircea_popescu yes. [23:39]
kingofsports i thought u couldnt offer a put when the strike price is below current price. [23:39]
jurov and why is mpoe buying them at present value? [23:39]
mircea_popescu mike_c that also works. it's really basic fractions after all. [23:39]
kingofsports i mean above [23:40]
mike_c yeah, just a different mental model [23:40]
kingofsports strike price above current price. thought that would only be a call type option. [23:40]
mircea_popescu jurov apparently mpoe doesn't think 852 is the number. [23:40]
mike_c time value! [23:40]
mircea_popescu lol [23:40]
kakobrekla be careful TO spend it before it hits 4k [23:41]
mike_c it's basically buying them at present value and paying nothing for time value [23:41]
mircea_popescu mike_c it paid a little! [23:41]
mike_c yes, a little [23:41]
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jurov but if price will get > 850 on opex mpoe will lose [23:43]
jurov and if it will be ~ 1400 it will be ~50% loss [23:43]
jurov poor bondholder [23:43]
jurov s [23:43]
mike_c mpoe doesn't have to wait til the end to exercise [23:44]
mike_c any time between now and then that it's profitable it can close (and does) [23:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.BBET] [PAID] 8.30025573 BTC to 3`000`000 shares, 276 satoshi per share [23:44]
jurov mike_c: right, hope they manage [23:45]
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mircea_popescu chipug welcome to finance! it IS a different language. [23:47]
mircea_popescu see here : [23:47]
mircea_popescu [23:47]
chipug hahaha i love the url already! thanks mircea_popescu! [23:47]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 262 @ 0.00081996 = 0.2148 BTC [-] {2} [23:52]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC [23:53]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.135 BTC [+] [23:53]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 96 @ 0.003 = 0.288 BTC [+] [23:55]
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mike_c the20year1: good to hear, congrats. [23:57]
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chipug I'm a fan of any article that references herding cats, but aside from that, I don't aspire to move or shake, just learn. also, does someone proof for you mircea_popescu? [23:59]
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