Forum logs for 06 Feb 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20389 @ 0.00093076 = 18.9773 BTC [-] {2} [00:00]
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BingoBoingo Test system should try OpenBSD on SPARC [00:06]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [-] [00:08]
ThickAsThieves [00:08]
ozbot Mt.Gox Withdrawals - [00:08]
ThickAsThieves "Update: The charts below have temporarily gone flat. That's not a bug -- I'm still getting fresh data." [00:09]
ThickAsThieves "The Mt.Gox IRC support channel tells me this flatness is a result of their hot wallet currently being empty. Most users who try to withdraw now get an "invalid address" error, meaning the withdrawal attempt fails before a transaction is created that can get stuck." [00:09]
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mircea_popescu derp [00:10]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.109 = 0.436 BTC [-] [00:11]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1099 BTC [+] [00:12]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.51997563 = 2.5999 BTC [+] [00:12]
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davout [00:14]
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jurov as i said, they were inspired by bitfunder/weexchange [00:18]
jurov includein the very error message [00:18]
jurov *including [00:18]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 500 @ 0.00518006 = 2.59 BTC [+] {11} [00:18]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 44 @ 0.00518002 = 0.2279 BTC [-] [00:20]
pLambert So MtGox is out of money now? Who uses them still? [00:21]
ThickAsThieves the guy that sold all those puts [00:21]
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benkay el oh el [00:22]
mircea_popescu pLambert anyone who missed all those warnings since april ? [00:22]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves srsly, if mtgox closes this month those puts will likely hurt. [00:22]
mircea_popescu every 80 bux in the price is like a million dollars due to all the magnificent leverage of options. [00:23]
pLambert people keep seeing "I can't get my money out of MtGox", but they think the problem is just going to go away and fix itself? [00:24]
benkay yes. [00:24]
ThickAsThieves mircea maybe we need to send you back to the forum to learn from MPOE-PR [00:24]
benkay i am currently hammering this point home in the portland bitcoin channel. [00:24]
benkay evaluation criteria: management teams, past performance [00:24]
benkay the gox mgmt team has a history of incompetence [00:24]
benkay the gox operation as a history of completely fucking it up [00:24]
benkay has* [14:05] [00:24]
benkay and also yes, i put a huge risk premium on anything having to do with [00:25]
benkay btc. anyone with whom i'm going to put btc on deposit must have a [00:25]
benkay completely stellar and unsmirched record. [00:25]
benkay coins will drift out of wallets operated by people who do not adhere [00:25]
benkay to this philosophy. [00:25]
pLambert so does mtgox not have any bitcoins, or do they just not have any in their hot wallet? [00:25]
benkay question of the day. [00:26]
BingoBoingo Is there an Ohio BTC channel? I need to remind them that they live in a bubbling shitpit and their rivers are flamable. [00:26]
benkay second question of the day: how long does it take them to move weight into their hot wallet? [00:26]
BingoBoingo pLambert: They never had enough. Not since 2010 by my count. [00:26]
benkay third question of the day: can they survive a bank run? [00:26]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.51997563 = 2.0799 BTC [+] [00:26]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves whassat ? [00:27]
BingoBoingo benkay: They've already died in fiat bankruns. Dunno how BTC bank runs can make gox more dead. [00:27]
punkman when did they start running fractional reserve anyway? [00:27]
pLambert bank run? if there is no bitcoin they just stop allowing withdrawals [00:27]
BingoBoingo punkman: They went fractional in 2010 after their first hack. [00:27]
ThickAsThieves well let's be absurd about it: Current Avg Withdrawal * Current Stuck Transactions = 41662.5btc [00:27]
mircea_popescu punkman it's unclear but it was announced in april 2013. [00:28]
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pLambert and how many millions were seized by the US through dwolla? [00:28]
ThickAsThieves ThickAsThieves whassat ? <<< to learn how to hold onto your bitcoins [00:28]
ThickAsThieves :) [00:28]
mircea_popescu wait what'd i do ?! [00:28]
ThickAsThieves ThickAsThieves srsly, if mtgox closes this month those puts will likely hurt. [00:28]
punkman guess when they lost millions to Dwolla might have been a good time [00:28]
mircea_popescu if mtgox goes to shit puts hurt mpoebot makes dough [00:28]
mircea_popescu punkman the dwolla thing sunk tradehill, but mtgox was not seriously affected then. [00:28]
mircea_popescu in fact i still suspect the dwolla thing was a backroom deal between the two to strangle competition. [00:29]
ThickAsThieves you mean if gox goes to shit by not allowing bitcoin exits, i mean by not allowing fiat exits [00:29]
ThickAsThieves right? [00:29]
davout mircea_popescu: if mtgox goes down you think btc goes down too? [00:29]
mircea_popescu yes. [00:29]
pLambert I think the mtgoox has shrunk enough that if they close it will not destroy the exchange rate [00:29]
mircea_popescu davout even if it only goes down a little through mtgox being taken out of the basket. [00:29]
pLambert and people have been pricing in the expected collapse of mtgox for almost a year now [00:30]
mircea_popescu currently they're adding a few %s to the avg. [00:30]
davout mircea_popescu: oic [00:30]
mircea_popescu pLambert this is more of a nominalist thing than anything. bitcoin's long term prospects w/o mtgox are way better than with it. [00:30]
ThickAsThieves I read the $5m were seized from Gox related to silk road [00:30]
ThickAsThieves they probly let those dollars get spent on btc [00:30]
mircea_popescu in fact, the destruction of the original scumfest (the people gorupped around blf, bitcoinica, mtgox, the foundation) is the best thing that can happen for btc. [00:31]
mircea_popescu and well... chip chip. [00:31]
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pLambert mircea_popescu: if mtgox had suddenly shut down when they had 90% of the market the price would tank, now the price might slip a bit but not much [00:31]
mircea_popescu they keep trying comebacks, but they aren't getting anywhere with them. meanwhile they bleed marketshare on good days, and they get taken out wholesale now and again. [00:31]
BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves: Those GOx seizures were pre-TSR bust [00:32]
punkman they don't even make the top 5 in volume most days [00:32]
ThickAsThieves I know [00:32]
davout from the wiki in 2015: "victim of its own success mtgox will went back to trading magic the gathering cards in summer 2014" [00:32]
ThickAsThieves but recently revealed more info [00:33]
ThickAsThieves i swear i read somewhere that SR was actually part of it [00:33]
ThickAsThieves just that it couldnt be announced back then [00:33]
ThickAsThieves could also be what fucked up the Coinlab thing [00:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1099 = 0.3297 BTC [+] [00:34]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51997563 BTC [+] [00:34]
ThickAsThieves other than it involving coinlab... [00:34]
mircea_popescu lol. right. coinlab needed so much help. [00:35]
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mircea_popescu << believe it or not, someone still says "information superhighway". not ironically. [00:37]
ozbot Petition-LETTER to regulator Ben Lawsky of NY "The World is Watching on Bitcoin" [00:37]
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ThickAsThieves i suspect Lawsky doesnt need to be sent a letter [00:38]
jurov ;;bc,stats [00:38]
gribble Current Blocks: 284354 | Current Difficulty: 2.6214044530646152E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 286271 | Next Difficulty In: 1917 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 9 hours, 51 minutes, and 25 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 2828879503.75 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.91465 [00:38]
mircea_popescu yeah, probably the head of the boss of whatever mob family paid for his position would work better. [00:39]
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ThickAsThieves [00:50]
ozbot New Survey: 79% Of Consumers Would Never Consider Using Alternative Currency Like Bitcoin (NASDAQ:TS [00:50]
mircea_popescu derp. [00:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.109 BTC [-] [00:51]
mircea_popescu im sorry i don't have a handy link to the 1905 study asking the population of manchester if they'd ever fly across the atlantic in a plane. [00:52]
assbot [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.C095T] 100 @ 0.02383907 = 2.3839 BTC [-] [00:54]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.10918 = 0.5459 BTC [+] {2} [00:54]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.11 = 0.33 BTC [+] [00:55]
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assbot [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 1061 @ 0.001773 = 1.8812 BTC [+] [00:56]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.11 = 0.55 BTC [+] [00:57]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.11 = 0.88 BTC [+] {3} [00:58]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.09966666 = 0.299 BTC [-] {2} [00:58]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.105 = 1.05 BTC [+] [00:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.11 BTC [+] [01:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2070 @ 0.000121 = 0.2505 BTC [-] {2} [01:03]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.0001205 = 0.3615 BTC [-] [01:04]
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btc-monkey Damn Gox going down hard [01:05]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [01:05]
gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 908.79667, Best ask: 909.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.20333, Last trade: 905.0, 24 hour volume: 4942.50335387, 24 hour low: 900.0, 24 hour high: 939.93, 24 hour vwap: 917.68982 [01:05]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 930 @ 0.00012 = 0.1116 BTC [-] [01:05]
assbot 123! [01:05]
ThickAsThieves i suppose its better to have goxcash than goxcoins [01:05]
mircea_popescu o shit [01:05]
mircea_popescu one doesn't preclude the other and now you've jinxed it haven't you [01:06]
mircea_popescu karpeles will be making wafflecoin this year [01:06]
deadweasel [01:06]
ozbot EFF Challenges New Jersey Subpoena Issued to MIT Student Bitcoin Developers | Electronic Frontier Fo [01:06]
jurov meanwhile in slovenia, bitstamp goes overboard with doxing [01:06]
ThickAsThieves convert all your gox bitcoins to BounceyBallCoins! [01:06]
jurov i heard compalints they have very creepy questions [01:06]
jurov and want to reverify documents [01:07]
mircea_popescu someone should just cut the gordian knot already and do SiPexchange. [01:07]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+] [01:07]
mircea_popescu they send you a pen, you film yourself fucking the pen and send the thing over [01:07]
BingoBoingo I'm telling you gox could say Gox BTC == 10^8 Gox USD tomorrow, because all is play money [01:07]
mircea_popescu you may now trade. [01:07]
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ThickAsThieves it's gonna be a bloody evening [01:08]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+] [01:08]
mircea_popescu But in December, the New Jersey Division of Consumer Affairs issued a subpoena to Rubin, requesting he turn over Tidbit's past and current source code, as well as other documents and agreements with any third parties. It also issued 27 interrogatories -- formal written questions -- requesting additional documents and ordering Rubin to turn over information like the names and identities of all Bitcoin wallet addresses a [01:08]
mircea_popescu ssociated with Tidbit, a list of all websites running Tidbit's code and the name of anybody whose computer mined for Bitcoins through the use of Tidbit, although Tidbit's code was not configured to mine for Bitcoins. [01:08]
mircea_popescu dude srsly ? how is the us legal system still a thing ? [01:09]
mircea_popescu the only reasonable answer to this sort of crap being "get fucked" [01:09]
mircea_popescu what business sends over its book just because someone wants to see it ?! [01:09]
herbijudlestoids morning folks :) [01:09]
mircea_popescu ello [01:10]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform << there you go, esports botnet. [01:11]
mircea_popescu total take ? why, like 3500 bucks. [01:11]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+] [01:12]
herbijudlestoids so last night i was thinking of forking tails, and ripping out tor and filling it with i2p app goodness [01:13]
herbijudlestoids because right now the latest tails is one version behind on i2p [01:13]
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DrSteveBrule hello everyone :) [01:13]
herbijudlestoids but i found this ...unfortunately also one version behind [01:13]
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mircea_popescu are you so certain of i2p strength ? [01:13]
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herbijudlestoids nope, if i was, i wouldnt bother with OTR [01:14]
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mircea_popescu so then why bother. [01:14]
mircea_popescu tho an actually secure replacement for the web would be a decent use of bitcoin resources. [01:14]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 83 @ 0.00325 = 0.2698 BTC [+] [01:14]
mircea_popescu not even compatible, mind you. pick port 90 and create a wholly and completely different thing. [01:14]
mircea_popescu ideally based on a stateful protocol. [01:15]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: there was a guy very much like satoshi who came up with iip/i2p originally....very smart guy, i remember i used to hang on the #iip chatroom inside iip back when i was a kid [01:15]
herbijudlestoids its pretty secure [01:15]
herbijudlestoids but i cant really be sure [01:15]
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mircea_popescu pretty secure crypto is like reasonably healthy whore. [01:15]
herbijudlestoids i view it as like...sort of like a 'actually secure replacement for the s/web/internet' ...kind of like a public VPN that anyone can piss in [01:16]
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herbijudlestoids the problem with i2p is the problem with all p2p networks [01:17]
mircea_popescu nah, you want an adressing scheme where the routing of packets depends on the destination's identity. [01:17]
mircea_popescu that came out stupid. [01:18]
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mircea_popescu you want an adressing scheme where the reading of packets depends on the destination's identity. [01:18]
mircea_popescu some sort of "gpg encrypted to ip" [01:18]
mircea_popescu if you're not X the packet's gibberish [01:18]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.19376446 = 1.9376 BTC [+] [01:18]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51250021 BTC [-] [01:18]
mircea_popescu makes all route nodes unable to filter traffic, plain and simple. [01:19]
mircea_popescu built-in net neutrality. [01:19]
herbijudlestoids explain [01:20]
mircea_popescu you familiar with gpg right ? [01:20]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 390 @ 0.00304796 = 1.1887 BTC [+] {3} [01:20]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 87 @ 0.00328189 = 0.2855 BTC [+] [01:20]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: yes, just wanting to see if what youre after is matched by [01:21]
mircea_popescu well, if i give you a list of gpg messages encrypted to a bunch of my friend's keys [01:21]
mircea_popescu all you can do is deliver them or not deliver them [01:21]
mircea_popescu you can't possibly deliver all those about apples, but keep all those about fish [01:21]
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mircea_popescu meh, all this onion/garlic bs. [01:23]
mircea_popescu i am not at all interested in keeping secret my identity. [01:23]
mircea_popescu i am strictly interested in keeping secret the messages passed back and forth. [01:23]
herbijudlestoids well that seems a bit odd [01:23]
mircea_popescu tbh it seems to me all the enthusiasm of the darknet people is woefully misdirected. [01:23]
herbijudlestoids so you hold no concern over the security of your metadata? [01:23]
mircea_popescu none. [01:24]
mircea_popescu and i think mixing together securitization of data and of metadata is an epic mistake. [01:24]
mircea_popescu these are wildly divergent usecases. [01:24]
mircea_popescu moreover, it's like trying to make a chowchow swim. [01:24]
mircea_popescu you're better served by a dry chow chow and an otter. [01:25]
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herbijudlestoids well i personally am not mixing them lol [01:26]
mircea_popescu see ? [01:26]
mircea_popescu nobody sane is mixing them [01:26]
mircea_popescu except the kids doing stuff like onions, garlic and other vegetables. [01:26]
herbijudlestoids do you feel like i2p at least makes a reasonable tool for metadata securitization, to use your term? [01:26]
mircea_popescu someone they have in their wot should tell them this is prime rib of stupid. separate these. [01:26]
mircea_popescu don't use that term lol, it's a direct pastiche from romanian and in english it's a term of art with diff meaning. [01:27]
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mircea_popescu i have no idea if it does or doesn't and really can't be arsed to find out, cause what do i care. [01:27]
mircea_popescu but i tell you... i am mp. i have always been mp. everyone else is fkghsgeiohgiurehg. to what gain and for what benefit ? [01:27]
mircea_popescu none. [01:27]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1089 BTC [-] [01:27]
mircea_popescu it's just this stupid thing everyone does because everyone's doing. [01:28]
mircea_popescu "gotta have a sikrit nick!!1" [01:28]
herbijudlestoids lol let me be frank [01:28]
mircea_popescu ok, so you're frank. [01:28]
herbijudlestoids if i thought i could conduct the communicatoins i needed over OTR using jabber [01:28]
herbijudlestoids i would [01:28]
herbijudlestoids but there is certain communications that i simply dont want associated with my actual identity [01:29]
herbijudlestoids so i need a mixnet to handle the traffic [01:29]
FabianB_ what you're describing sounds like cjdns (encryption of the network, but i think not anonymity) [01:29]
mircea_popescu what, exactly ? so i feel like posting nudes one day. herpderp what, god forbid someone associates it ? [01:29]
mircea_popescu let them associte it, what of. [01:29]
herbijudlestoids OTR keeps the actual messages secure [01:29]
mircea_popescu i think you're confused as to what otr actually does. [01:29]
herbijudlestoids FabianB_: i know cjdns, prefer i2p [01:30]
mircea_popescu FabianB_ iguess it does huh [01:30]
FabianB_ herbijudlestoids: coz you want the anonymity i guess [01:30]
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herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: why do you seem to think OTR does not encrypt the conversations? [01:31]
herbijudlestoids second time youve mentioned it [01:31]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids otr makes exactly two guarantees : that only your intended recipient can read your next line, and that should someone obtain the plaintext of your communications they can't prove that it is in fact yours rather than theirs. [01:32]
mircea_popescu it doesn't make the gpg guarantee that old conversations can never be read by third parties. [01:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.00012001 = 0.36 BTC [-] [01:33]
herbijudlestoids ... [01:33]
herbijudlestoids are you referring to perfect forward secrecy? [01:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.1089625 = 0.8717 BTC [+] {2} [01:34]
mircea_popescu that's probably a narrowing down, but anyway [01:34]
herbijudlestoids OTR implements perfect forward secrecyt [01:35]
herbijudlestoids each message has its own discarded AES key negotiated by DH [01:35]
mircea_popescu "Anyone can forge messages after a conversation to make them look like they came from you. However, during a conversation, your correspondent is assured the messages he sees are authentic and unmodified." [01:36]
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mircea_popescu basically, otr guarantees stuff for during a conversation. not really for after it closes. [01:38]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.1099 = 0.9891 BTC [+] [01:39]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51250002 BTC [-] [01:39]
mircea_popescu this is reflected in many implementations - you can generally find plaintext logs of old otr convos if you dig up your log dir. [01:39]
herbijudlestoids lucky i use tails [01:39]
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mircea_popescu i'm by no means saying otr is bad or anything. i use it extensively for that matter [01:40]
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herbijudlestoids i find it confusing because you seem to imply the messages are not encrypted [01:41]
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herbijudlestoids being able to forge additional messages post conversation really means nothing to my threat model [01:41]
mircea_popescu certainly they're encrypted. [01:42]
herbijudlestoids but theyre not "secure"? [01:42]
mircea_popescu did you just tell me you're promising to pay 10 btc for a stuffed dollie five minutes ago ? [01:42]
mircea_popescu cause if you didn't i'd guess it's possible the forging aditional messages may mean something even for your threat model :) [01:43]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1089 BTC [-] [01:44]
herbijudlestoids err no, because youre talking about tying my identity to a key [01:44]
herbijudlestoids who is this "me" who promised "you" a thing [01:44]
herbijudlestoids i dunno who that is [01:44]
mircea_popescu right. [01:44]
mircea_popescu kind-of why gribble implements ;;ident [01:45]
herbijudlestoids i got no issues with GPG, but most of the conversations where i care about the security of it, i dont want it tied to my identity if at all possible [01:45]
herbijudlestoids some things i work on, require very very high opsec [01:45]
herbijudlestoids at least for peace of mind [01:45]
mircea_popescu now, the security provided by ;;ident is necessary for business. the security provided by otr is necessary for gossip [01:45]
mircea_popescu since i do more business than gossip... i'm not so impressed with onion and garlic and so on. [01:46]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.50550001 = 1.011 BTC [-] {2} [01:46]
herbijudlestoids ignore the nomenclature, i just pasted the link to see if it met your requirements of passing traffic based on keys [01:46]
herbijudlestoids which i think it does... [01:46]
mircea_popescu yeah, i'm just codgery and will find random things to bitch about [01:46]
herbijudlestoids im used to the type i guess lol, spent some time with owsley in his old age, very codger [01:47]
mircea_popescu In I2P, tunnels are unidirectional. Each party builds two tunnels, one for outbound and one for inbound traffic. Therefore, four tunnels are required for a single round-trip message and reply. [01:47]
mircea_popescu the overhead on this thing seems nutty. [01:47]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.109 BTC [+] [01:48]
mircea_popescu see, this is why i say it fails : the overhead imposed by all the sha(sha(sha(sha bs to keep metadata secret from downstream hops [01:48]
mircea_popescu makes it fucking unusable. [01:48]
herbijudlestoids its extremely usable [01:48]
herbijudlestoids im using it lol [01:48]
mircea_popescu just gpg the package and send it over. i definitely like fabian's cjdns much more [01:48]
mircea_popescu hey dub, what if all internet traffic henceforth needed 4 tunnels built up per connection ? [01:49]
herbijudlestoids lel [01:49]
herbijudlestoids why would you use it for all internet traffic [01:50]
herbijudlestoids the whole point is to use it for traffic that you dont want associated with your IP [01:50]
mircea_popescu you do not understand the nature of idiocy. [01:50]
herbijudlestoids always possible, explain it for me [01:51]
mircea_popescu the whole point of the bitcoin code was to prototype an idea, not to be used for srs. [01:51]
mircea_popescu and if you think the point of http was webstores... [01:52]
herbijudlestoids so youre saying? idiots will use i2p for uses other than its original use? [01:52]
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mircea_popescu i'm saying that it is a design with massive overhead for dubious reasons. [01:52]
mircea_popescu imo, ianae etc. [01:53]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.109 = 0.327 BTC [+] [01:54]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu i want to send you a message. but i dont want anyone to know it was me that sent you the message [01:54]
jurov heh. last time you were completely fine with needing a middleman because both computers connected to "internet" are behind NAT [01:54]
mircea_popescu why not ? [01:54]
jurov that's unnecessary ovehead, too [01:54]
mircea_popescu jurov not in the same sense, is it ? nat is unnecessary overhead in the sense shoes are unnecessary overhead. [01:55]
mircea_popescu they're not overhead, they're undefoot. [01:55]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: I have to say I underestimated you when you first arrived, but you are still only halfway to Bitcoin [01:56]
BingoBoingo Encryption is the boring part of GPG [01:56]
BingoBoingo Shit doesn't get interesting until signatures. [01:56]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu lets just say if certain people found out it was me who sent you the message, they could turn up at my doorstep and coerce more messages from me [01:56]
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mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids so fyck you then, why am i talking to you ? [01:56]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: Black bag / Rubber Hose cryptoanalysis is more expensive than people imagine. [01:56]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu well when i say you its the "example" you, not the actual mirpop you [01:57]
mircea_popescu but my point is : [01:57]
herbijudlestoids so for potentially any number of reasons. maybe we are organising a protest together [01:57]
mircea_popescu sure, the guardian may want to have a random info dead drop, and i guess they may even read it [01:57]
herbijudlestoids (im not) [01:57]
mircea_popescu tho it seems unlikely they would even read it, seeing how book publishers 20 years ago didn't read all the manuscripts they got [01:58]
mircea_popescu and those cost $$$ [01:58]
mircea_popescu but if you imagine random joe q person is going to spend resources to go through messages that cost nothing to make up [01:58]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 14 @ 0.109 = 1.526 BTC [+] [01:58]
mircea_popescu and can't be traced to a source... you're nuts, plainly stated. [01:58]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] [01:58]
herbijudlestoids i know my threat model :) [01:58]
herbijudlestoids i cant say too much about it [01:58]
mircea_popescu that's fine, forget your model. [01:58]
ThickAsThieves it's DPR! [01:58]
mircea_popescu think about what's likely to happen irl, when designing. [01:58]
mircea_popescu instead of starting from weird edge cases, which then result in insane implementations that protect things that in the end don't matter. [01:59]
herbijudlestoids but if youre willing to accept the idea that i might like to discuss things with someone and not have parties on the wire who can identify me conversating specifically with that person... [01:59]
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mircea_popescu so the nsa knows i talked to a hooker. fuck them, i can post pics on trilema just as well. [01:59]
ThickAsThieves ;;ticker [01:59]
gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 904.7, Best ask: 904.8, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 904.7, 24 hour volume: 7160.10059477, 24 hour low: 890.1731, 24 hour high: 939.93, 24 hour vwap: 911.77043 [01:59]
herbijudlestoids soooo [01:59]
mircea_popescu i don't need an entire networking protocol to do that, tho. [01:59]
mircea_popescu by its very nature this is a rare occurence, best handled by exceptional means [02:00]
mircea_popescu a protocol is exactly the opposite of exceptional means. [02:00]
herbijudlestoids lets say iv hired you to be my security consultant then [02:00]
herbijudlestoids what would you suggest i do [02:00]
herbijudlestoids i give you the requirement, you must meet it, or not get paid. [02:00]
lippoper we only talk in person [02:00]
mircea_popescu on the data so far i'd suggest you get laid ? [02:00]
herbijudlestoids lippoper: i didnt hire you [02:00]
lippoper leave all electronics behind ;-) [02:00]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: Who really doesn't matter. My "anonymity" is merely at the behest of polite requests to people who could confirm otherwise. Who talks to who is always difficult to hide. Focus on hiding the subject and the message. [02:00]
asciilifeform anyone who goes, 'i want crypto!' without some idea of the actual problem he is trying to solve, is in an advanced state of sin. [02:01]
mircea_popescu i mean... i still dunno what you're trying to accomplish. talk to the entire world secretly ? [02:01]
lippoper Well, that's your first problem ;-) [02:01]
herbijudlestoids no [02:01]
mircea_popescu so you are trying to talk to identified entity X without anyone but X knowing it's you talking to them ? [02:01]
BingoBoingo If everything abut you is secret you get ignored. [02:01]
herbijudlestoids yes. [02:01]
mircea_popescu is X friendly or hostile ? [02:01]
herbijudlestoids X is friendly [02:02]
BingoBoingo What is X is incredibly hostile? [02:02]
lippoper what about Y? [02:02]
BingoBoingo You just don't know it yet. [02:02]
mircea_popescu fine, call in to radio shows, have a modem buzzing in the background. [02:02]
asciilifeform if X is hostile, then anything X knows, the enemy learns immediately. [02:02]
mircea_popescu have them listen to radio shows [02:02]
mircea_popescu worked just fine in ww2. [02:02]
* herbijudlestoids lel [02:02]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Bingo [02:02]
herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: thanks for adding some useless lines to the convo [02:03]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the q was to see if it's during or post delivery that the threat begins [02:03]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: the requirement is to talk over the internet [02:03]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids my general point here being that once you yielded to the adversary the identification of the channel, [02:03]
mircea_popescu you've already lost most of the battle. [02:03]
mircea_popescu keep the channel secret in your model. [02:04]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: Imma just adding further reading. Sometimes the noise between the lines can have meaning. Even if it isn't obvious in your particular use case as you imagine. [02:04]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.109 = 0.218 BTC [+] [02:04]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: but i have not identified the channel [02:04]
mircea_popescu uh. [02:04]
herbijudlestoids all they could possibly know is that im using i2p [02:04]
asciilifeform steganography is an actual field, anyone for whom traffic analysis is more than an academic puzzle would do well to learn the basics; [02:05]
herbijudlestoids there could be a jabber server, irc server, even direct i2p-tunnel messages... [02:05]
asciilifeform but it is by its very nature non-standardizable. [02:05]
BingoBoingo i2p makes tor look easy. [02:05]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids so you're trying to gain some destandardization back. already a step in the right direction, but why do it this windows style. [02:05]
mircea_popescu just don't standardize i nthe first place. [02:05]
herbijudlestoids not sure what you mean [02:06]
herbijudlestoids what im saying is i can walk into the city, reaver a WPS pin, login using tails and communicate over irc/jabber/whatever over i2p [02:06]
herbijudlestoids how is the channel known [02:06]
mircea_popescu well i have the converse problem : not sure how to make it clearer. [02:06]
herbijudlestoids dear diary: today i hired mircea_popescu as a security consultant, and he told me to magically contact my counterpart to let them know they need to listen to eadio on certain frequency at certain time [02:07]
asciilifeform standardized stego (e.g. 'let's all encode messages in the lowest color bit of lolcat photos) is about as useful as the practice of hiding your house key under the door mat. [02:07]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids this is a decent point, in that you'll both need to be on the same page. [02:08]
mircea_popescu there's a long distance from this to making "a meta-protective protocol" tho. [02:08]
mircea_popescu just finish each message with "next message in the form of lolcats" [02:08]
mircea_popescu again, worked fine in ww2. [02:08]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Twist in the plot: key under the rug can't withstand the torque necessary to turn the lock and breaks inside... [02:08]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: these are literally the problems OTR was designed to solve lol [02:08]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: grenade sans pin with the spoon held down by the rug, if you like. [02:09]
herbijudlestoids [02:09]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I an imagining less explosions, but kind of yes. Sabotaged key under the rug that is both useless and leaves a trace of attempts at its use. [02:10]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids otr protects your meta-data now ? [02:11]
mircea_popescu i gues in the sense of no signatures... [02:11]
asciilifeform herbijudlestoids: what problem would you actually like to solve? that is, what is the portrait of the enemy? and what is to be protected? [02:11]
herbijudlestoids asciilifeform: i cant really tell you that [02:11]
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asciilifeform no need to be specific [02:11]
asciilifeform just generalities [02:11]
herbijudlestoids the problem i would like to solve, is very very simple [02:12]
asciilifeform e.g. 'nsa' and 'warez' [02:12]
herbijudlestoids there is another geek, somewhere on the internet. we work on a project together. if someone wanted to attack that project, the easiest way would be to find out who ran it [02:12]
herbijudlestoids we need to talk...maybe once a month or less... [02:12]
herbijudlestoids over the internet. [02:12]
asciilifeform talk in real time? [02:13]
herbijudlestoids yes. [02:13]
mircea_popescu i doubt otr actually covers this case. [02:13]
herbijudlestoids it has to be impossible for anyone to ever use those communicatoins to find out who is running the project. [02:13]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: i told you like 50 times we are using OTR to encrypt conversations that take place over i2p [02:13]
mircea_popescu if for no other reason then because it is probably feasible for the adversary to build a list of people and then cross names off [02:13]
mircea_popescu they won't KNOW it's you, they will however know it's none of the other schmucks. [02:13]
mircea_popescu they can take place over the naked body of mary. [02:14]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: Why not turtle routing if it is only two known parties that can exchange credentials in person? [02:15]
asciilifeform it depends on what the project is. if it's a lamecoin, it could be 10,000 schmucks. if it's a working TWINKLE, your name is shamir and they already know where you live. [02:15]
herbijudlestoids i dunno what a twinkle is, but my name is sina, so close enough :P [02:15]
herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: explain? [02:16]
asciilifeform [02:16]
herbijudlestoids ah F2F [02:16]
herbijudlestoids if i wanted F2F i would use gnunet, but i want intermediary nodes to take the traffic load, i dont want to talk directly to the counterparts IP [02:16]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: Turtle routing is kind of like i2p except the assumption exists you actually know and meat/meet everyone you connect to. [02:17]
herbijudlestoids would likely use the gnunet for F2F comms [02:17]
herbijudlestoids asciilifeform: it is not a working TWINKLE :) [02:17]
asciilifeform herbijudlestoids: is cost a constraint? [02:17]
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asciilifeform because if it isn't, you can stuff bytes in the btc block chain. [02:18]
herbijudlestoids haha [02:18]
herbijudlestoids why on earth would i persist OTR conversations into the blockchain [02:18]
mircea_popescu and if it is, you can stuff bytes in altcoin block chain. [02:18]
asciilifeform agree on public keys, and encrypt [02:18]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [MS] 4000 @ 0.005 = 20 BTC [02:18]
asciilifeform the agreement only needs to happen once [02:18]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform by the way : have you considered this is probably a major driver for the altcoins ? do some secret messaging, in ten years nobody will exist with a copy of the blockchain anyway [02:19]
herbijudlestoids i definitely do not want to persist anything in any blockchain! [02:19]
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asciilifeform herbijudlestoids: assume that every packet you send over the public net gets 'persisted' regardless of whether you asked for it [02:19]
herbijudlestoids lel you guys crack me up [02:19]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids your notion that stuff going through the internet is ephemeral boggles me :D [02:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1099 BTC [+] [02:19]
mircea_popescu shit, beaten to it again [02:20]
mircea_popescu i gotta learn to touchtype already. [02:20]
herbijudlestoids asciilifeform: i make that assumption, but i why would i WILLINGLY persist something in the blockchain [02:20]
mircea_popescu because it's better to fuck willingly than to get fucked ? [02:20]
asciilifeform because this way 10,000 lamers are all equal candidates for the inquisition, for having said packets on disk [02:20]
mircea_popescu at least in some people's estimation. [02:20]
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herbijudlestoids asciilifeform: in that case i would always use freenet, but i dont want persistence and prefer 10,000 lamers to have the packets in their NIC than on their disk. [02:21]
BingoBoingo I wonder if anti-Zyprexa exists... [02:21]
herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: you want a psychotic inducer? [02:21]
mircea_popescu acid prolly works... [02:22]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: Not exactly [02:22]
BingoBoingo More like a complacency relaxer [02:22]
herbijudlestoids so you want to increase your motivation? [02:22]
herbijudlestoids try l-tyrosine [02:22]
herbijudlestoids catecholamine precursor. [02:22]
asciilifeform herbijudlestoids: i'm feeling generous, have an example: [02:23]
asciilifeform [02:23]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00093557 = 6.2683 BTC [+] {2} [02:23]
mircea_popescu [02:24]
herbijudlestoids asciilifeform: thanks for your generosity i guess, what is this? [02:24]
ozbot Zyprexa withdrawal Horror stories : Anti-Psych Forum - Psych forums [02:24]
mircea_popescu pretty good shit. [02:24]
mircea_popescu you people and your synthetic helpers. [02:24]
asciilifeform and [02:25]
herbijudlestoids i dont take any synthetics, l-tyrosine is a metabolic precursor you can easily obtain from food :) [02:25]
BingoBoingo I only brought Zyprexa up, because Vitamin H would have been too obvious... [02:25]
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asciilifeform herbijudlestoids: recipe, for stowing four octets in the blockchain. [02:27]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: If you want catecholamine precursors though Lima/Fava beans work just fine [02:27]
herbijudlestoids asciilifeform: ah right. thx...i appreciate the gesture :) [02:27]
herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: um, no, the beans contain L-DOPA which is an acute dopamine precursor, l-tyrosine is much more effective and less acute, precursor to all catecholamines [02:27]
ThickAsThieves fava beans are the best beans [02:28]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: Your chemistry isn't wrong, but it is missing 4 steps and 9 pathways. [02:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29031 @ 0.00093295 = 27.0845 BTC [-] {2} [02:28]
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BingoBoingo Also there is no such thing is an acute precursor unless you want to talk prodrugs like codeine [02:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10072 @ 0.00092835 = 9.3503 BTC [-] [02:30]
ThickAsThieves ;;ticker [02:30]
gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 875.0, Best ask: 885.0, Bid-ask spread: 10.00000, Last trade: 885.0, 24 hour volume: 8996.57601486, 24 hour low: 870.0, 24 hour high: 939.93, 24 hour vwap: 905.17233 [02:30]
BingoBoingo ;;lasers [02:30]
gribble ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!* [02:30]
ThickAsThieves lol [02:30]
herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: i mean acute as in relative to l-tyrosine [02:30]
herbijudlestoids same way that 5-htp versus l-tryptophan [02:30]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: I think you read pharmacology equivalents to the National Enquirer a bit too much. [02:31]
asciilifeform herbijudlestoids: four octets ought to be a roomy enough 'dead drop' for anyone [02:31]
herbijudlestoids asciilifeform: dead drop is not my requirement [02:31]
asciilifeform dead drop can tell the friendly forces where to find whatever. [02:31]
herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: im not a neuroscientist, but i did used to work at the largest neuroscience research facility in australia. consider my knowledge on the topic a poor carbon copy [02:32]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: 5-HTP is mostly a precusor of things that aren't catecholamines anyway [02:32]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: I haven't taken a bio class since 7th grade. [02:32]
herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: you misunderstand, i was referring to 5-htp being a direct serotonin precursor (equiv of L-DOPA for dopamine) and l-tryptophan being broader/less acute [02:32]
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asciilifeform serotonin more or less stops at the blood-brain barrier, so 5-htp just annoys your liver. [02:33]
herbijudlestoids 5-htp is the l-dopa of what i meant [02:33]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: But in vitro most 5-HTP becomes various histamines as opposed to becoming serotinin. [02:33]
herbijudlestoids who cares about in vitro [02:34]
herbijudlestoids i am talking about when you eat it [02:34]
herbijudlestoids in vivo [02:34]
BingoBoingo 5-HTP generallyis dangerous because it is a histamine precursor rather than a serotonin precursor. [02:34]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: Well, I'm not in the habit of cutting vexual open. [02:35]
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herbijudlestoids [02:35]
ozbot Striatal dopamine terminals release serotonin afte... [Brain Res. 1990] - PubMed - NCBI [02:35]
herbijudlestoids "Peripheral administration of 5-hydroxytryptophan (5-HTP) to rats causes 'wet dog' shakes and a parallel elevation of brain serotonin (5-HT) levels. " [02:35]
BingoBoingo And nicotinic receptor inhibitors like succicholine cause paralasis. [02:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.0009358 = 4.913 BTC [+] [02:37]
BingoBoingo Most serotogenic receptors from the five documented families happen in the bowels. [02:37]
herbijudlestoids we have come a long way from your question of wanting to remove complacency [02:37]
herbijudlestoids i suggested something to increase endogenous adrenaline and dopamine together. [02:37]
herbijudlestoids my 2c :) [02:37]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: And now we are talking about shit. [02:37]
mircea_popescu [02:38]
mircea_popescu meanwhile irl... [02:38]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: The thing is meth can do that cheaper. Combine meth and an MAOI and you can do it fast and incredibly cheap with incredible safety. [02:38]
BingoBoingo Tits [02:38]
ThickAsThieves 850 [02:39]
cazalla that zyprexa link.. why would a 6 year old be on that [02:39]
cazalla and what type of parent would give consent [02:39]
herbijudlestoids lel if you think meth + MAOI removes complacency [02:39]
asciilifeform in what universe is 'meth' cheap? [02:40]
herbijudlestoids cazalla: US Big Pharma influenced doctors :) [02:40]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.11 BTC [+] [02:40]
mircea_popescu cazalla no need for parental consent in the us. [02:40]
herbijudlestoids cazalla: they go to a conference, there is big pharma salespeople there, there is other doctors who were paid by big pharma to do studies, et [02:40]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: You know we only whack you because we like you. [02:41]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Missouri [02:41]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform what, it is cheap. cheapest thing on the street. [02:41]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: why is that lady naked? [02:41]
herbijudlestoids she seems out of place [02:41]
herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: <3 [02:41]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i think you misunderstand. e.g. an AK-47 is 'cheap', if you're a Pashtun. but say you're a Brit. [02:41]
herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: this is the first irc chan that i have hung out in since probly 2010...should give you a clue :) [02:42]
mircea_popescu no, it's cheap. go to wherever the homeless gather where you live and ask. [02:42]
asciilifeform then you pay 10x, and roll in the cost of lawyers, bribes, etc. if you're found out. [02:42]
cazalla herbijudlestoids: i know how it works but it's just shocking a 6 year old would be taking it, my dad takes a small dose to manage his schizophrenia and it did wonders for him but still, a 6 year old? [02:42]
mircea_popescu it's like the altchain of drugs, every fuckwit can cook it. [02:43]
herbijudlestoids cazalla: profit margins yo, they must be kept up [02:43]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 512 @ 0.00082279 = 0.4213 BTC [-] {4} [02:43]
asciilifeform the basic formula for black market cost is 'Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi' [02:43]
benkay translation? [02:43]
mircea_popescu cazalla that drug cost a 100 mn to create and 5 bn to market. [02:43]
asciilifeform esp. now that 'silk road' is done [02:43]
mircea_popescu you think that can be paid off on the backs of the five hundred old people with an actual need for it ? [02:43]
herbijudlestoids cazalla: if your marketing strategy is so successful that it encompasses the entire 21-65yo spectrum...what do you do? expand the market ;) [02:43]
BingoBoingo I knew plenty of kids in elementary school on the Desoxyn [02:43]
mircea_popescu benkay what's legit for jesus isn't legit for random fuckwit [02:44]
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cazalla not familiar with that one BingoBoingo, zyprexa gave my dad a sane life though [02:44]
mircea_popescu [02:44]
mircea_popescu here's a good one. [02:44]
ozbot Hawaii family sues dentist for root canal that left 3-year-old girl BRAIN DEAD - NY Daily News [02:44]
mircea_popescu think about it... root canals in milk teeth. [02:45]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: In Detroit,St Louis, and Chicago the most common caliber used in homicides was .22LR [02:45]
herbijudlestoids cazalla: lol desoxyn is meth :) [02:45]
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cazalla 3 year olds need root canal? [02:45]
cazalla must've given her pepsi instead of breastmilk [02:45]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: if govt. stats are to be believed, this is true in all 50 states. [02:45]
mircea_popescu cazalla in the us, yes. [02:45]
asciilifeform low pressure round. hence pistols with barrels made of cheap hell-knows-what alloy. [02:46]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Well problem probably isn't government stats in this case. In this case it is people who want to bake a murder want to use an expendable and cheap weapon. [02:46]
mircea_popescu so i guess the real gangstas are the people with daisies and red ryders in their mtv videos [02:47]
mircea_popescu as opposed to all the fakers with platform machine guns and anti tank missile launchers [02:47]
asciilifeform .22, 'olympic' caliber, favourite of executioners around the world [02:47]
BingoBoingo [02:48]
ozbot homicide da union - YouTube [02:48]
asciilifeform traditionally used at 'point blank' range. no exit wound, bounces around in the head. [02:48]
herbijudlestoids ew [02:48]
asciilifeform every once in a while, somebody fellates a .22 and lives [02:49]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: For small game fillinf hollow points with phosphorous has its virtues [02:49]
herbijudlestoids let me tell you guys about our prime minister [02:50]
herbijudlestoids his name is tony abbott [02:50]
herbijudlestoids imagine george bush [02:50]
BingoBoingo da union has the best videos on Youtube [02:50]
herbijudlestoids and then take away all of the intelligence [02:50]
herbijudlestoids thats tony abbott [02:50]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: light the meat? why? [02:50]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Marks where the lead settles, by yes scorching the wound tunnel. [02:51]
BingoBoingo Usefull on fatty shit like woodchucks [02:51]
BingoBoingo [02:52]
ozbot FLAGS DA UNION - YouTube [02:52]
herbijudlestoids ill tell you guys what [02:52]
herbijudlestoids i will give up my 0.02BTC to anyone who wants to come to aus and challenge tony abbott to a fight [02:53]
asciilifeform saddam h. reportedly challenged mr. bush to a duel. [02:53]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: Plenty of sandbars here. Talk him into a meeting on the mississippi. Plenty of sand bars with questionable jurisdiction. [02:54]
BingoBoingo US Senators used to end their careers on those all of the time. [02:55]
herbijudlestoids i fucken hate this guy [02:55]
herbijudlestoids i used to think i hated our previous, conservative, 4 term PM, john howard [02:55]
herbijudlestoids but i love john howard compared to tony abbott... [02:55]
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BingoBoingo [02:55]
wao-ender so [02:55]
ozbot REAL STL HOOD FIGHTZ- "Cam vs. J.R. Pt. 2" (Unedited) - YouTube [02:56]
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herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: are they actually gonna fight lol [02:59]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: I dunno [03:00]
herbijudlestoids the answer is no [03:00]
herbijudlestoids waste of 4 minutes [03:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.00093457 = 21.2147 BTC [+] [03:00]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: How do you know pt 3 isn't set in the back of an ambulance? [03:01]
herbijudlestoids there is no part 3 [03:01]
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mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids what specifically is the complaint ? [03:02]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: against abbott? [03:02]
mircea_popescu yea [03:02]
herbijudlestoids let me show you a video [03:04]
mircea_popescu nah. [03:04]
mircea_popescu ain't nobody got no time for that. [03:04]
herbijudlestoids its lelworthy, 2m43s [03:04]
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herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: i dunno how i can exactly explain it...but i guess its very similar to bush snr vs jnr. policywise, identical...but you feel embarrassed when you see them overseas representing you [03:07]
mircea_popescu lmao the keiser muppet made his own coin [03:07]
BingoBoingo Ain't nobody got time for dat [03:07]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Lnk plox? [03:07]
mircea_popescu [03:08]
ozbot Max Keiser (maxkeiser) on Twitter [03:08]
mircea_popescu good for a lol. [03:08]
mircea_popescu (no actual link to the thing anywhere there) [03:08]
mircea_popescu "As a stage of the launch will release password protected .rar files for important downloads, followed by passwords a time later." [03:08]
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mircea_popescu [03:09]
ozbot Twitter / LionelMedia: Maxcoin is the new Dogecoin. ... [03:09]
mircea_popescu the funny thing, of course, is that he's following mp mandated policy TO SPITE ME [03:09]
mircea_popescu people. [03:10]
mircea_popescu my life would have been infinitely boring-er without bitcoin, for srs. [03:10]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.11 = 0.55 BTC [+] [03:10]
BingoBoingo [03:10]
ozbot Twitter / BBoingo: @maxkeiser @KeiserReport ... [03:10]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: To think all you would have before would have been the slave girls and the fortune [03:11]
mircea_popescu [03:11]
ozbot [PRE-ANN][MAX] MaxCoin [03:11]
mircea_popescu there you go. [03:11]
mircea_popescu BTC Block time? 30 seconds << that's the innovation. [03:12]
BingoBoingo Wait SHA-3? WHo has some FPGAs? [03:12]
BingoBoingo THere's some good VHDL cores for that. [03:12]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: 'ebay.' a dime a dozen. [03:13]
mircea_popescu course the code got leaked [03:13]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I mean who still has FPGAs to sink them nao... [03:13]
herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo has enlightened me, i had no idea how many videos of black people nearly fighting each other but not, were on youtube [03:13]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: plenty of people own fpgas. me, for instance. [03:13]
pankkake videos of "nigger friday"? [03:14]
mircea_popescu [03:14]
ozbot [MCXNOW IPO] : 11,000 BTC raised [ UPDATE : OVER ] [03:14]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Sure we just need the set of people with FPGAs and who would like to luke-jr Max Keister [03:14]
mircea_popescu check it out, realsolid (of solidcoin scam fame) is like... raising ipos and whatnot [03:14]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: He went scam on that IPO like months ago. [03:15]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo im pretty sure that's being taken care of. [03:15]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo no ?! [03:15]
mircea_popescu but how could that be. [03:15]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Solidcoin 4? [03:15]
mircea_popescu lol [03:15]
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nubbins` you want a psychosis inducer, lsd is a poor choice [03:15]
nubbins` try atropine or scopolamine type stuff [03:16]
mircea_popescu "just get married" ? [03:16]
nubbins` ha [03:16]
BingoBoingo nubbins`: Actually if you want speed dramamine is the fastest route. [03:16]
herbijudlestoids nubbins`: thats delerium, not psychosis. [03:16]
BingoBoingo At the right doses [03:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.11249999 = 0.225 BTC [+] [03:16]
nubbins` herbijudlestoids, one's as good as the other [03:16]
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BingoBoingo nubbins`: Neither of those are very good. Delerium versus psychosis is Riddler versus Joker. [03:17]
Vexual eat lead paint [03:17]
mircea_popescu you know it's spelled delirium [03:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1169 = 0.3507 BTC [+] [03:17]
assbot [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.C110T] 225 @ 0.01806074 = 4.0637 BTC [-] [03:17]
nubbins` i was gonna let the spelling slide [03:17]
nubbins` bingo, i'm not up on my batman villains [03:18]
BingoBoingo Vexual: Thank you markov chain!!! Shekel me nao. [03:18]
mircea_popescu me too but it was taking up a life of its own [03:18]
herbijudlestoids so it is [03:18]
nubbins` deleterious delirium [03:18]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 62 @ 0.00514563 = 0.319 BTC [-] {7} [03:18]
mircea_popescu hilatarious [03:18]
nubbins` either way [03:18]
nubbins` you give some schmo lsd and he's just as likely to achieve complete awareness [03:19]
mircea_popescu complete my foot. [03:19]
mircea_popescu that's psychosis. [03:19]
nubbins` haha [03:19]
BingoBoingo But atropine 'could' be delerium [03:19]
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mircea_popescu "you can't logically prove my complete awareness is incomplete and kinda unaware!1111" [03:19]
mircea_popescu guy walks into a pole [03:20]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: You sound like a MAXCOiner [03:20]
BingoBoingo lol, I've walked into a pole. poles have decent tits [03:20]
nubbins` HEH [03:20]
mircea_popescu hahaha [03:20]
nubbins` see? [03:20]
nubbins` complete awareness [03:20]
nubbins` dude knew what he was doing all along [03:20]
nubbins` anyway, there are plenty of virgins that have convinced themselves that sex is just a sticky wet mess [03:21]
nubbins` what of it? [03:21]
mircea_popescu there are ?! [03:21]
mircea_popescu dude the more i hear of canada... [03:21]
nubbins` the more you wanna move here [03:21]
nubbins` i know [03:21]
herbijudlestoids haha holy shit [03:21]
herbijudlestoids slashdot has changed interfaces [03:21]
mircea_popescu um no. i don't like virginz. [03:22]
herbijudlestoids the comments sections have ceased to be about the story and only talking about the interface [03:22]
nubbins` i don't like people who haven't taken lsd ;p [03:22]
BingoBoingo nubbins`: The trick is figuring out how many minutes ago I opened the bottle. [03:22]
nubbins` i kid [03:22]
BingoBoingo So around 7 UTC we get Altcoin on Slashdot? [03:22]
nubbins` BingoBoingo: me figuring it out or you figuring it out? [03:22]
Vexual if one goes to heaven with 40 virgins, do they stay that way? [03:22]
nubbins` Vexual, the hymens regrow [03:23]
mircea_popescu Vexual yeah. it's gonna be painful for them 4evar [03:23]
BingoBoingo nubbins`: I know the answer is 143 [03:23]
mircea_popescu that way muslim men don't ever need to fuck ass. [03:23]
nubbins` anyway, for those of you who are aware of the "stoned ape" theory of evolution of consciousness [03:23]
nubbins` check this gem out: [03:23]
nubbins` [03:23]
ozbot Stoned Ape Theory - YouTube [03:23]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: But the scents differ. Ass flora and Vaginal flora are completley different flora. Basically E Coli versus Yoplait. [03:24]
mircea_popescu i use condoms anyway [03:24]
herbijudlestoids "It is quoted by Ibn Kathir, in his Qur'anic Commentary, the Tafsir ibn Kathir,[8] and they are graphically described by Qur'anic commentator and polymath, al-Suyuti (died 1505), who, echoing a hasan hadith[9] from Ibn Majah,[10] wrote that the perpetual virgins will all "have appetizing vaginas", and that the "penis of the Elected never softens. The erection is eternal".[11] " [03:24]
herbijudlestoids ...appetizing. [03:24]
mircea_popescu it's a mistranslation. [03:24]
herbijudlestoids yea i know lol, iranian, remember? [03:25]
mircea_popescu "desirable" [03:25]
nubbins` condoms, what's that, a euro thing? [03:25]
mircea_popescu lol "it's not a purse, it's european" [03:26]
nubbins` eternal erections would become gangrenous [03:26]
BingoBoingo nubbins`: You might be canadian, so it doesn't seem relevant, but they are essential anywhere aids is possible;. [03:26]
nubbins` again, i kid ;( [03:26]
nubbins` we have aids here in canada too [03:26]
* BingoBoingo suggest Canadia lacks a certain .txt [03:27]
nubbins` hah [03:27]
nubbins` in this province, yes [03:27]
asciilifeform nubbins`: only kaffirs get afterlife with gangrene. [03:27]
BingoBoingo Or is it Candidia lacks a certain .txt [03:27]
nubbins` ooh good crossover joke [03:27]
nubbins` actually, a local actor is starring in the film remake of that .txt, alongside cuba gooding jr [03:27]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo not necessarily. it could be magically arranged the blood still flows [03:28]
nubbins` [03:28]
ozbot 2 Oscar winners join TV adaptation of The Book of Negroes - Toronto - CBC News [03:28]
mircea_popescu maybe the chosen penis just enters a hydraulic annomaly [03:28]
nubbins` hm [03:28]
nubbins` some sort of bloodlock system [03:28]
mircea_popescu no, no lock. [03:28]
BingoBoingo Good point mircea_popescu. Still. No one is making decent cheddar in there. [03:28]
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mircea_popescu just, pv=nt here and p'v=nt there [03:29]
nubbins` well i just mean like an airlock [03:29]
mircea_popescu allah sez. [03:29]
nubbins` new blood in, mild overinflation, old blood out [03:29]
herbijudlestoids [03:29]
nubbins` you could time the inflow to the outward thrust, to simulate knotting [03:29]
nubbins` [03:30]
ozbot Anorexia patient told by ER nurse to 'go get some supper' - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News [03:30]
Mats_cd03 i am now the proud owner of some S.MPOE [03:30]
nubbins` ah, this place is something else [03:30]
Mats_cd03 what do i have to look forward to [03:30]
nubbins` Mats_cd03, uncertainty and elation [03:30]
mircea_popescu Mats_cd03 prolly some dividends at some point [03:31]
Mats_cd03 hopefully ill be able to reinvest my profits into a nice deep fryer [03:31]
nubbins` haha [03:31]
nubbins` deep fryers, jeez [03:32]
nubbins` why not just throw out all your pants and start wearing pyjamas? [03:32]
Mats_cd03 i hear they make one that uses a centrifuge inside at 3x G to induce a delicious crisp outside chicken [03:32]
Mats_cd03 i hear its... extraterrestrially delicious [03:32]
Vexual swirling a wok can do that [03:32]
nubbins` all for the low cost of having your house smell like a grease trap [03:32]
nubbins` ^ [03:32]
BingoBoingo Anyone here part of the Silicon Valley circuit? [03:33]
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Mats_cd03 what is that [03:33]
BingoBoingo Mats_cd03: Until they prove otherwise lusers [03:33]
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herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: im not directly but do know a fair few who are [03:34]
herbijudlestoids re openstack [03:34]
nubbins` mircea_popescu, pankkake, jborkl: [03:34]
nubbins` i don't think amazon is gonna carry this book [03:34]
pankkake omg [03:34]
pankkake who am I? [03:35]
BingoBoingo Mats_cd03: But I did disclose some alma maters here earlier today. If people who want into Bitcoin want to know how to navigate a WoT I make myself available... for a price. [03:35]
mircea_popescu hahaha [03:35]
nubbins` i don't know what you look like so i had to draw something based on your nick [03:35]
nubbins` you're all flat, like a pankkake :( [03:35]
mircea_popescu dick ? [03:35]
Mats_cd03 BingoBoingo: i dont want to read logs so why dont you tell me [03:35]
mircea_popescu why does kako have a moustachio like groucho marx ? [03:35]
BingoBoingo Lol nubbins` That goes in the -assets book right? [03:35]
nubbins` yeah, first page [03:36]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Because somolia [03:36]
nubbins` just a rough draft of course ;p [03:36]
nubbins` mircea_popescu, that's actually jborkl [03:36]
mircea_popescu bongebaungu i see you have an issue with vowel rotation [03:36]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: Know Paul Graham? [03:36]
nubbins` i tried to draw someone who looked bork-y [03:36]
mircea_popescu what in "jason borkland" gives you the turkish look ? [03:36]
* BingoBoingo wonder what nubbins` draws me like... [03:37]
nubbins` honestly i use paint markers and accidentally depressed the tip [03:37]
pankkake anyway, awesome [03:37]
nubbins` then had to fix it as best i could ;( [03:37]
mircea_popescu i kinda like how my head rests securely on my beard pedestal [03:37]
nubbins` for easy storage, natch [03:37]
mircea_popescu nubbins` you realise this is the book of the book being written right now [03:38]
nubbins` hmm, that's a bit too seinfeld for me [03:38]
BingoBoingo !b 5 [03:38]
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nubbins` strike this from the logs! [03:38]
pankkake though today I was more like jborkl, wore a snow hat and hat weird stuff coming in and out of my nose [03:38]
mircea_popescu pankkake did you get your face surgically removed yet ? [03:38]
herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: nope [03:38]
nubbins` i draw a couple more but the pens started acting up [03:39]
nubbins` *drew [03:39]
nubbins` full of ink blobs [03:39]
pankkake I had turbinoplasty [03:39]
pankkake my nose is TURBINES [03:39]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: Ah, I could hope. I've been trying to target him through blog posts [03:39]
mircea_popescu lmao [03:39]
mircea_popescu now you can ipo your head [03:39]
mircea_popescu for a mining farm based on wind turbines [03:39]
herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: is he a fin services guy? i can see someone paul graham fin services on linkedin [03:40]
nubbins` stateful wind [03:40]
Vexual upper level [03:40]
nubbins` ^ we already have this, altho it's pretty much read-only [03:40]
mircea_popescu nubbins` that comes out the other way. [03:40]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: He used to be an academic LISPer [03:40]
nubbins` heh [03:40]
pankkake I'm not finished yet, but it's becoming an expensive head :( [03:40]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: The past tense might be important though [03:40]
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pankkake the bearded MP reminds me of something, but I can't really find it [03:41]
nubbins` BingoBoingo, i imagine you as some sort of cross between a kangaroo and an old lady with a visor [03:41]
benkay BingoBoingo: he used to be a commercial Lisper as well. [03:41]
pankkake maybe cthulhu [03:41]
nubbins` pankkake: does it remind you of mp? ;p [03:41]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: What I am looking for is someone silicon valley who needs a Bitcoin Bullshit filter. [03:41]
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benkay BingoBoingo: unfortunately those who need what you have to offer are too stupid to realize they need it. [03:42]
mircea_popescu !b 1 [03:42]
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BingoBoingo benkay: I know that, but it is only to the potential audience's peril [03:43]
nubbins` benkay: this is actually a problem with free condoms too [03:43]
pankkake I shaved yesterday, should have IPOed my glorious beard [03:43]
BingoBoingo pankkake: Shame to you and your family [03:43]
mircea_popescu im thinking of shaving too [03:43]
nubbins` it's liberating [03:43]
pankkake usually it itches, but after a month and a half it was still good [03:43]
BingoBoingo pankkake: How slow does french hair grow? [03:44]
benkay you guys can't shave my sideburns are just starting to come into bloom! i was shooting for an assets beard conference. [03:44]
nubbins` i find if you can get past the 3-week mark, the beard grows itself [03:44]
mircea_popescu benkay you coming in april ? [03:44]
benkay nah man [03:44]
benkay not unless revenue picks up significantly [03:44]
benkay wish i were [03:44]
mircea_popescu << reminder [03:44]
ozbot The conference, second edition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [03:44]
pankkake BingoBoingo: I am a hairy monster, but for example my brother can't grow a beard as fast as me, if at all [03:44]
nubbins` i'm waiting for someone to sponsor me as a courtroom sketch-artist type deal [03:44]
nubbins` incidentally the last two zines we published were essentially this [03:45]
benkay was totally planning to, but then i dropped the well-paid infotech work to do the same thing with good friends for clients paying a third [03:45]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: thinking of going? [03:45]
nubbins` benkay, i used to work for a company called infotech [03:45]
mircea_popescu benkay splendid stragety. [03:45]
nubbins` "why don't we just call our company IT?" "nah, too short" [03:45]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Sheriff couple of counties over still has my passport until at least May [03:45]
mircea_popescu let's call our shop SHOP [03:46]
mircea_popescu and our dog DOG [03:46]
mircea_popescu and our child CHILD [03:46]
nubbins` right? [03:46]
Vexual lol BingoBongo, I'm having similar issues [03:46]
pankkake that's what korean starcraft players do, though [03:46]
nubbins` i owned a nameless cockatiel for over 10 years [03:46]
herbijudlestoids yall criminals. [03:46]
pankkake names like "life", "cloud", "hero" [03:46]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo what srsys, you can't apply for a whatsitcalled [03:46]
Vexual boat? [03:46]
mircea_popescu lol [03:47]
nubbins` pankkake, i generally found that koreans had crazy email addresses [03:47]
nubbins` like [03:47]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I got principles and I ain't plea'in [03:47]
pankkake lol [03:47]
mircea_popescu ? [03:47]
nubbins` one day i realized that they were just typing their names in korean on the keyboard [03:47]
nubbins` hahahah [03:47]
* nubbins` fires up email client [03:47]
mircea_popescu good for spam honeypottin' [03:47]
mircea_popescu [03:48]
BingoBoingo I paid may to many BTC for this drive through motherfucking lawyer's time back in may and I plan to waste as much of his time as I can. [03:48]
mircea_popescu (nothice equal strlen) [03:48]
nubbins` hmm [03:48]
asciilifeform [03:48]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo ahahaha how much was it [03:48]
mircea_popescu [03:49]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: $300 or back in May 2.5 BTC that week [03:49]
nubbins` [03:49]
mircea_popescu fuck, you hired a lawyer for 300 bux ?! [03:49]
nubbins` what'd that get you, a handshake? [03:49]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Yeah, dude has a drive thru [03:49]
nubbins` oh wow [03:49]
nubbins` i thought that was a figure of speech [03:49]
BingoBoingo Fucker is happy to act as my paralegal too. [03:50]
nubbins` hi can i take your problem please [03:50]
mircea_popescu you know, rural us... [03:50]
benkay mircea_popescu: can't tell if sarcasm or irony [03:50]
BingoBoingo Well, yeah [03:50]
benkay and if ironic what precisely the message is [03:50]
nubbins` benkay, surprise [03:50]
mircea_popescu benkay :D [03:50]
BingoBoingo If sit ain't cheap enough head into the wastes [03:50]
asciilifeform somebody 'in demand' should actually declare, 'wanna talk? low octets of tx amount to addr. A plz.' [03:51]
mircea_popescu that's okay, i can't tell which message he;s on about. we have thus achieved [03:51]
mircea_popescu perfect communicational symmetrification. [03:51]
benkay benkay splendid stragety. [03:51]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform sort-of like how trilema credits work [03:51]
nubbins` hmmmmmm [03:51]
nubbins` re: "socialist millionaire" problem [03:51]
Mats_cd03 hes 99% incoherent usually [03:51]
pankkake "Just like on the 1st edition VIPs get free shuttle service to and from the airport, free (4 star) hotel accomodation including breakfast (either singles or doubles at your option, no extra charge), free meals and drinks everywhere" oh. I see the point now :D [03:51]
nubbins` one nice thing about having a degree in pure mathematics is that you can grok wikipedia articles on math [03:51]
BingoBoingo I'd honestly be surprised if this matter is adjudicated in time for next year's conference. [03:52]
mircea_popescu benkay just sarcastic [03:52]
asciilifeform nubbins`: one can grok the millionaires protocol with a first grade degree. [03:52]
nubbins` oh, sure, yeah [03:52]
asciilifeform (at least, soviet 1st grade.) [03:52]
nubbins` i just mean sentences like "All operations are performed modulo p, or in other words, in the multiplicative group (Z/pZ)*." [03:53]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo i hear a lot of work is being put into keeping us citizens from being able to travel abroad [03:53]
mircea_popescu for all sorts of not-directly-related reasons [03:53]
nubbins` and they said group theory wouldn't prove useful in real life. [03:53]
pankkake a lot of work = butt probes and cancer-giving machines? [03:54]
benkay can't say as i agree, mp. before i was limited pretty solidly on increasing revenue. nowadays, i'm only limited on revenue by my ability to find work and people to do it. [03:54]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: so far, just a bit of dekulakization. [03:54]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: If it comes down to life and death I can walk to Nuevo Laredo and get all of the hookers. Nao though... Imma wilk my 2.5 BTC out of Mr. Drive Thru. [03:54]
nubbins` mircea_popescu: best korea does that, too [03:54]
mircea_popescu benkay the sarcasm refers to what was stated not to teh reality therein described. [03:54]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo i was in nuevo laredo, had excellent pasta there [03:54]
nubbins` jborkl [03:54]
nubbins` [03:55]
ozbot imgur: the simple image sharer [03:55]
nubbins` that's you on the bottom [03:55]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I can't affirm or deny having spent any time there this summer, but pasta there "seems" to be above that availble in my native area [03:55]
nubbins` fun fact, the dollar store sells fake Moleskine notebooks for $1 [03:55]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: there was some prattle about making folks owing $6+figs of tax 'невыездной' [03:56]
asciilifeform afaik never went anywhere. [03:56]
Vexual nubs not really paper? [03:56]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform no, it's implemented [03:56]
nubbins` Vexual, just a brand name. no moles were harmed [03:56]
mircea_popescu yu can't get a passport if you owe back tax. [03:56]
Vexual inferior stitching? [03:56]
nubbins` shrug. has held up so far [03:57]
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nubbins` they even have the elastic band and the bookmark [03:57]
Vexual might be real [03:57]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: recall the magic number? [03:57]
nubbins` nah, real ones are like $18 [03:57]
mircea_popescu fun fact. apud gt, nevyyezdnoy=travel abroad, vyyezdnoy=exit [03:57]
Vexual and the french is proper [03:57]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform no magic number. irs just puts a hold. [03:57]
mircea_popescu $100 is good enough. [03:57]
nubbins` it's actually pretty hard to bind a book with thread so poorly that it falls apart [03:57]
nubbins` i mean, if you can tie a knot [03:57]
nubbins` even if you can't [03:58]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: вьезд / выезд sure [03:58]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: entry/exit [03:58]
nubbins` i actually let my passport expire [03:58]
nubbins` have to get a new picture taken this week [03:59]
asciilifeform nevyyezdnoy (невыездной) - 'he who is not to leave' [03:59]
nubbins` gotta say, it rots my guts when they don't stamp the pages in order [03:59]
Vexual lol [03:59]
jborkl Nice drawing, is that original? [03:59]
mircea_popescu why ?! [03:59]
nubbins` jborkl: yeah, part of the upcoming first issue of -assets Quarterly [03:59]
nubbins` mircea_popescu, just the way i am, i guess [03:59]
jborkl Nice [03:59]
nubbins` would you buy a notebook and start writing on page 7? [04:00]
Vexual yes [04:00]
mircea_popescu yes [04:00]
nubbins` eat shit, both of you [04:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 15 @ 0.04201332 = 0.6302 BTC [+] {4} [04:00]
mircea_popescu "would you pick up a chick and start by fucking her in the ass ?" [04:00]
Vexual i hope you get your visa stamped on the cover [04:00]
mircea_popescu hahaha [04:00]
nubbins` NOT ON PAGE 7 I WOULDN'T [04:00]
mircea_popescu if i ever visit nubbins` household i'm writing into all the new noteboox at random locations [04:01]
nubbins` i bet you eat all the chocolate in your advent calendars on the first day too, don't ya [04:01]
jborkl Heh, I am left handed so I sometimes start at the back. Drives the wife nuts [04:01]
nubbins` mircea_popescu: there came a point where we had enough scrap paper that we were able to stop buying notebooks and start making them [04:01]
mircea_popescu nubbins` dude, i will DRINK FROM THE MIDDLE OF YOUR BOTTLES [04:02]
nubbins` jborkl: funny, i actually start reading magazines from the back [04:02]
nubbins` hahah [04:02]
nubbins` so... with a straw? :( [04:02]
herbijudlestoids [04:02]
ozbot Adobe Flash Remote Code Execution Flaw Exploited In the Wild - Slashdot [04:02]
mircea_popescu you'll have some liquid, then a pause, then more liquid [04:02]
herbijudlestoids update yo flash nigz [04:02]
nubbins` i hate that!! [04:02]
mircea_popescu someone had flash ?! [04:02]
nubbins` what's a flash [04:02]
jborkl Wait, where are sticking that straw? Is this still about picking up the chick? [04:03]
nubbins` i think they start in the middle [04:03]
mircea_popescu they always start in the middle. [04:03]
nubbins` not sure [04:03]
mircea_popescu shit [04:03]
mircea_popescu "they start in middle school yeah" [04:03]
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nubbins` what's a school [04:04]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] [04:04]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.119 = 0.238 BTC [+] [04:04]
herbijudlestoids yall dont have flash? [04:04]
herbijudlestoids how do youwatch youtube [04:04]
Vexual mp posts a lot of public nudes [04:04]
* mircea_popescu points at log. [04:05]
mircea_popescu mircea_popescu: [04:05]
mircea_popescu ain't nobody got no time for that. [04:05]
asciilifeform [04:05]
mircea_popescu << this is vex when he was younger. [04:06]
mircea_popescu windows only exploits. herp [04:06]
asciilifeform the overflow works elsewhere, these folks only looked at the winblows example. [04:07]
herbijudlestoids if it exploits only windows why did adobe release emergency patch for all OS, even including the unsupported linux version [04:07]
nubbins` heh [04:08]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: do you have some tumblr blog of photos of (what i assume are) eastern europeans who are weirdly out of place naked? [04:08]
mircea_popescu i just have friends. [04:09]
mircea_popescu and yes its mostly the czech republic [04:09]
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jborkl Heh mp has pictures of slush naked [04:10]
herbijudlestoids i dun get it...your friends like to be naked at regular social events? [04:10]
mircea_popescu jborkl there you go. [04:11]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: What is so hard to believe? [04:11]
BingoBoingo [04:11]
ozbot Four Arrested in Connection With Philip Seymour Hoffman's Death [04:11]
mircea_popescu whoa [04:11]
mircea_popescu foul play ?! [04:11]
KRS-One Looks like a fat dyke convention. [04:11]
mircea_popescu KRS-One he wanted slush [04:11]
KRS-One Probably smells kind of like fish there. [04:11]
KRS-One .bait [04:11]
ozbot [04:11]
pankkake only one nipple pierced, that always drives me crazy [04:11]
KRS-One hahaa [04:12]
herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: its not that i disbelieve, just not sure i understand [04:12]
jborkl Lol, Santa is creeping me out [04:12]
pankkake how dare you not be symmetrical [04:12]
nubbins` pankkake: many women do this out of concern for future breastfeeding [04:12]
KRS-One pankkake theres a word for that..doesnt mean its bad one way or the other [04:12]
pankkake nubbins`: oh… [04:12]
BingoBoingo Tis the problem with the TSR model. DEA gets all of the meta-NSA tools and the imagination to do parallel reconstruction [04:12]
KRS-One haha drinking pabst blue ribbon beer [04:12]
nubbins` idea is that the fistula formed when the piercing heals can clog milk ducts [04:13]
mircea_popescu piercings don't hurt lactation wtf is that ?! [04:13]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: Would you yourself rather wear clothes or not wear clothes? [04:13]
nubbins` this has been documented [04:13]
mircea_popescu really ? [04:13]
nubbins` yeah [04:13]
nubbins` granted, there are a lot of milk ducts, maybe a dozen or so if i'm not mistaken [04:13]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu nubbins`:ONly if tard operate the needles. [04:14]
Vexual there might be other forces at play here [04:14]
nubbins` but apparently it causes problems frequently enough that it's advised against doing both [04:14]
jborkl Wtf , this is going downhill [04:14]
nubbins` plus, babby's teeth [04:14]
BingoBoingo jborkl: Altcoin is going down? [04:14]
nubbins` or gums, i guess [04:14]
nubbins` don't want him swallowing a barbell [04:14]
mircea_popescu nubbins` obviously you take them off [04:14]
Vexual did they sompare other life choices of the pierced? [04:15]
mircea_popescu kind-of why i think it improbable, the breast changes a lot during pregnancy [04:15]
nubbins` obviously you don't feed your kid poutine for its first meal [04:15]
nubbins` but people do anyway [04:15]
BingoBoingo nubbins`: WHy not? [04:15]
BingoBoingo It's like babyy poridge? [04:15]
nubbins` because it's too healthy [04:15]
mircea_popescu lmao [04:15]
BingoBoingo Lol [04:15]
mircea_popescu pankkake you know, no irl tits are actually symmetrical. [04:16]
pankkake nor are faces, but it's not as bothering [04:16]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10758 @ 0.00093465 = 10.055 BTC [-] {2} [04:16]
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BingoBoingo pankkake: Faces could be bothering on the Sarah Jessica Parker ass end of asymmetrical [04:17]
nubbins` most people's shoulders aren't even symmetrical [04:17]
nubbins` dominant side is generally higher [04:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18018 @ 0.00092985 = 16.754 BTC [-] [04:17]
mircea_popescu [04:17]
nubbins` and blade sticks out differently [04:17]
nubbins` hahaha skipper on the right [04:18]
mircea_popescu totally awesome pic [04:18]
mircea_popescu you can even tell where in france it is [04:18]
pankkake OMG. [04:18]
herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: depends on the weather :D [04:18]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 329 @ 0.003048 = 1.0028 BTC [+] [04:18]
nubbins` pankkake, HEH [04:18]
pankkake google images is getting good [04:18]
mircea_popescu you never knew ms horseface ? [04:19]
nubbins` i like it when customized content *just* falls short [04:19]
Vexual i think they might wait for the next bus [04:19]
pankkake isn't ms horseface julia roberts? [04:19]
pankkake but yeah she's a horse too [04:19]
nubbins` got an ad on my facebook feed once for long-distance plans, some rasta saying "call ya bredren dem for free" [04:19]
nubbins` "warmer, facebook... warmer..." [04:20]
benkay they even got the grammar correct my my [04:20]
nubbins` maybe the most relevant thing i've ever read on the site [04:20]
BingoBoingo nubbins`: You use facebook? [04:24]
benkay BingoBoingo: have you heard of Tinder? [04:24]
benkay the kids need computers to just have sex these days [04:25]
nubbins` yeah, it's like that bar all your friends used to hang out at, but now your extended family is there too [04:25]
BingoBoingo benkay: yes I have. [04:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13172 @ 0.00093446 = 12.3087 BTC [+] [04:25]
mircea_popescu what's tinder ? [04:26]
benkay so i actually moved back into the neighborhood in which i grew up. [04:26]
nubbins` benkay, :( [04:26]
BingoBoingo benkay: It's like I go to the bar with all of these friends with smartphones. They fuck around on tinder and I just follow the golden rule of Tits bigger than ass. THen they get jelly. [04:26]
benkay no its great nubbins [04:27]
nubbins` then :D [04:27]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Tinder is like Grindr but not for homos. [04:27]
mircea_popescu uh [04:27]
nubbins` the neighbourhood i grew up is all old people now [04:27]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo ass bigger than tits. [04:27]
benkay i like being a part of a family story in a physical location that's endured for a little bit. [04:28]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Whiskey vision. [04:28]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Drunk enough to know I can't be on IRC vision. [04:28]
BingoBoingo Perspective gets a bit... distorted [04:29]
nubbins` Chief Executive Officer of Tinder, Sean Rad, said, "the word ‘dating’ doesn't even mean shit to us. What does that even mean?”[ [04:29]
nubbins` lel [04:29]
nubbins` mister rad [04:29]
mircea_popescu me on irc a coupla days ago : "hey, what were your tits/ass measures ?" "40 and 38. why ?" "because mansfield was 40 35" [04:30]
BingoBoingo So a person barely aware of self awareness must... compensate [04:30]
mircea_popescu so i guess you're right, tits bigger than ass it is. [04:30]
Vexual BingoBoingo: shut one eye [04:30]
BingoBoingo Vexual: Mack me [04:30]
mircea_popescu nubbins` he has a point tho. i never dated. [04:30]
nubbins` nor i [04:30]
nubbins` this isn't the 50s [04:30]
nubbins` "wanna go steady" [04:30]
BingoBoingo I dated, it was horrible. Fucking was much better. [04:31]
mircea_popescu in romanian you'd "ask for a girl's friendship" in the 50s [04:31]
mircea_popescu basically... asking for a friendzone ? [04:31]
lippoper S [04:32]
lippoper A [04:32]
lippoper S [04:32]
lippoper S [04:32]
BingoBoingo Vexual: Why aren't you pumpin Altcoin yet? [04:32]
lippoper [04:32]
mircea_popescu he got hired by Max Failser, that's why [04:32]
mircea_popescu he be pumpin' that maxcoin nao [04:32]
nubbins` "At Least 50 Couples Have Gotten Engaged Thanks To Red-Hot Hook-Up App Tinder" [04:32]
Vexual i don't take keister coin [04:32]
benkay but you do take coin in the kiester! [04:32]
mircea_popescu ajaja [04:33]
BingoBoingo What is even the mining stroke for KeiserCoin? [04:33]
benkay up... [04:33]
benkay and down. [04:33]
benkay up... [04:33]
benkay and down. [04:33]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo 30 second blocks [04:33]
mircea_popescu that shoud be a riot. [04:33]
nubbins` no, up only [04:33]
nubbins` endless pull-out [04:33]
nubbins` Max Forkser [04:33]
mod6 pump.... and dump! [04:33]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: So GHCQ should squash it in good order with their SYN shit. [04:34]
mircea_popescu incidentally, the 512 second block altchains die out in about 10 days, [04:34]
mircea_popescu when people are done mining the juciest blocks and move on [04:34]
mircea_popescu a 30 second block chain should be exhausted in about... a day. [04:34]
BingoBoingo I really need to make that MD4 coin... [04:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45763 @ 0.00093637 = 42.8511 BTC [+] {3} [04:35]
Vexual you might wanna close both eyes [04:35]
BingoBoingo Max difficulty within the first hour. It would actually be a useful experiment in how BTC would handle a catastrophic break of SHA-256 [04:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7887 @ 0.00093802 = 7.3982 BTC [+] {3} [04:36]
Vexual good point [04:36]
BingoBoingo Thank you Vexual [04:37]
benkay except we've seen coins get diff-pinned before. [04:37]
mircea_popescu ironically, i think btc would be thje safest [04:37]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Prolly [04:37]
mircea_popescu cause watched pot and not *really* that much benefit [04:37]
mircea_popescu various other things, such as banking, however... [04:37]
mircea_popescu owch. [04:38]
mircea_popescu i wouldn't wanna be a tech lead for any bank when sha cracks. [04:38]
mircea_popescu tbh i imagine the security people wake up screaming once a month cause of this] [04:38]
benkay we're all security people now. [04:38]
BingoBoingo Do banks even use SHA-1 yet? Is that "approved" for them? [04:38]
mircea_popescu benkay no i mean specifically, it sec consultants for banks with major customer facing interfaces [04:39]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo sure. [04:39]
BingoBoingo I ask because more consumers were injured in the target hack than will probably ever hold BTC [04:40]
mircea_popescu [04:41]
ozbot Microsoft Warns Customers Away From RC4 and SHA-1 - Slashdot [04:41]
mircea_popescu just for lolz [04:41]
Vexual gates is audi for real now [04:41]
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BingoBoingo I need to come up with something Slashdot worthy. Unless someone else wants to start pumping my Altcoin artile at 07:00 UTC [04:42]
benkay your 15 minutes of fame have passed, BingoBoingo. [04:42]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.19376446 = 1.9376 BTC [+] [04:43]
Plaxant BingoBoingo I'm surprised r/baseball didn't like the link I posted [04:43]
BingoBoingo benkay: You dedicated Lispers assume one Macro is enough. [04:43]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.119 BTC [+] [04:44]
BingoBoingo Plaxant: I will hurt them again. Oncce pitchers and catchers report. [04:44]
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benkay i'm nowhere near enough of a lisper to catch your ref, B [04:46]
benkay BingoBoingo ^^ [04:46]
BingoBoingo Shame there is no World Baseball Classic this year. Netherlands and Puerto Rico made me a lot of worth much less BTC last year. [04:46]
benkay BingoBoingo: do you use a dedicated bitbet address? [04:47]
BingoBoingo benkay: The code of one input one output. [04:47]
BingoBoingo benkay: Actually I force myself to use several Bitbet addresses [04:47]
BingoBoingo I only advertise the 1lvcunts as belonging to myself but superficial shit can reveal three moar. [04:48]
benkay well on an entirely different topic [04:49]
BingoBoingo Deeper analysis can reveal 8 addresses used that go back to me. Deeper still analysis and you need drugs [04:49]
Plaxant BingoBoingo drugs should always be needed [04:50]
Vexual i hope nubbins' puts a few illustrated blockchain pages in his book, or a whole encyclopedia [04:50]
BingoBoingo Plaxant: Drugs lik everything else should need consent. [04:51]
pankkake I like to have the same address, but I bet more for fun and pride [04:51]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo what do you care about ./ anyway [04:51]
herbijudlestoids hahahaha [04:52]
herbijudlestoids [04:52]
herbijudlestoids anyone seen that southpark episode about zimmeman [04:53]
mircea_popescu "My @YouTube career was born in my bedroom. @Google was born in @SusanWojcicki's garage. Big dreams have humble beginnings " [04:53]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 35 @ 0.00477642 = 0.1672 BTC [+] {3} [04:53]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: It's kind of a rush.I missed most of the actual action when I made it the first time driving into the Icy north. [04:53]
mircea_popescu jesus twitter is insanity. [04:53]
benkay herbijudlestoids if you ever link an autoplaying video again i will straight murder your face [04:53]
herbijudlestoids benkay: apologies. i have all my plugins to only load on click [04:53]
benkay jesus twitter [04:54]
Vexual hey herbi, schapeele might be getting out on the weekend, dya think abbot can fuck up her chances by then? [04:54]
herbijudlestoids Vexual: going on abbotts current track record? [04:54]
Vexual even money huh? [04:54]
herbijudlestoids plus the potential embarrasment for customs? [04:54]
herbijudlestoids id say so :P [04:54]
herbijudlestoids or i should say, it wouldnt surprise me [04:54]
Vexual war might wait til monday [04:55]
herbijudlestoids benkay: do you really let flash and whatnot just load in browser with no control? [04:56]
BingoBoingo ^^ [04:56]
herbijudlestoids i got noscript, adblock, ad blocking /etc/hosts with ~15,000 hosts blocked...and i still dont let flash or java load unless i click it [04:56]
benkay congratulations, you obviously don't operate in derpy web application zone land. [04:57]
BingoBoingo Why not jsut use lynx? [04:57]
mod6 lynx++ [04:57]
herbijudlestoids benkay: derpy web applications dont break if you enable "click to load" on plugins... [04:57]
benkay hahaha [04:58]
benkay oh [04:58]
benkay ho ho ho ho ho [04:58]
benkay you have obviously spent much time debugging legacy javascript [04:58]
herbijudlestoids also zone land is a tautology :P [04:58]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 290 @ 0.00501256 = 1.4536 BTC [-] {13} [04:58]
benkay language is poetry. [04:58]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: What about Mario Zone? [04:58]
nubbins` receipt receipt [04:58]
benkay not programming. [04:58]
BingoBoingo We should make AltLang [04:59]
BingoBoingo Make it super Meta [04:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2013 @ 0.00042 = 0.8455 BTC [-] {4} [04:59]
herbijudlestoids benkay: so...youre saying that legacy javascript, breaks, if you enable "click to load" on, say, flash? [05:00]
herbijudlestoids oookkkk [05:00]
BingoBoingo We will basically jsut change all of the labels on steelbank common lisp and offer it as an improvement on Javascript. Even give it a cute Doge pic [05:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 121 @ 0.00475971 = 0.5759 BTC [-] {12} [05:00]
benkay i have learned the hard way to remove sources of indeterminacy from my stack [05:00]
benkay mystery browser plugins are a source of indeterminacy. [05:00]
benkay they always want to do crazy shit to the dom. [05:01]
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herbijudlestoids ? which mystery browser plugin [05:01]
benkay isolate isolate isolate [05:01]
herbijudlestoids yo, you realise its a native feature in chrome and firefox right [05:01]
nubbins` herbijudlestoids, all the ones you listed [05:01]
BingoBoingo Altlang is going to be best lang [05:01]
nubbins` altlang syne [05:01]
herbijudlestoids nubbins`: the extensions i listed have nothing to do with "Click to Load" which is a native feature of modern browsers... [05:01]
BingoBoingo All this alpha shit is my garage is gonna go to the moon! [05:01]
benkay so then client relations - i want to demo a thing with the UX flow a client spent an ungodly amount of money on. i'm not going to ruin my demo with my personal settings. [05:01]
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herbijudlestoids what i said precisely was that even despite those extensions, i still use click to load [05:02]
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benkay in any event [05:02]
benkay this is a stupid discussion. [05:02]
herbijudlestoids just incredulous [05:02]
herbijudlestoids cant believe people let plugins load auto [05:02]
nubbins` you are alone in your incredulity [05:02]
benkay yeah man [05:03]
benkay people just run java web apps all the time [05:03]
benkay what phone book of actual use story memos did you miss? [05:03]
BingoBoingo Because if it isn't niggers.txt, angles.txt, or saxons.txt it itsn't worth reading? [05:03]
nubbins` -assetsQuarterly.txt [05:03]
nubbins` some of the bash quotes, though funny, aren't fun to draw [05:04]
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benkay #49 is one of the better ones [05:05]
herbijudlestoids i gotta say, im used to hanging out with opinionated geeks, but yall have some of the weirdest forced opinions iv encountered [05:05]
benkay i want to see an illustration of vexual on the internet by accident [05:05]
pankkake don't forget to draw him upside down [05:06]
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ThickAsThieves eccentricity gives +Agility [05:06]
pankkake also Australia [05:07]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: You just aren't acclimated yet. [05:07]
pankkake I agree with herbijudlestoids [05:07]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: You have serious potential to stay, but you need to depressurize the space suit and embrrace it. [05:07]
herbijudlestoids yeah, id prefer to ask questions than accept :) [05:08]
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benkay breathe the hard vacuum of bitcoin [05:08]
herbijudlestoids i didnt come here to join an echo chamber, but i do try to keep an open mind and ask questions [05:09]
benkay bathe in the sweet sterilizing rays of non-dilutable currency [05:09]
herbijudlestoids i actually stayed because it seems like people are willing to answer those questions to a level that satisfies me [05:09]
herbijudlestoids (even if i disagree) [05:10]
benkay disagreement is the heart of discourse [05:10]
herbijudlestoids ^ [05:10]
benkay it'd be boring if we all agreed all the time [05:10]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.19376446 = 3.8753 BTC [+] [05:10]
ThickAsThieves I agree [05:10]
pankkake NO [05:11]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: The first rule of IRC is if it acts the way you anticipated something is wronger [05:11]
benkay unless freenode is under ddos [05:11]
herbijudlestoids what kind of dicks ddos freenode anyway, i want to know [05:11]
BingoBoingo benkay: But that is GHCQBBQOMGWTF [05:11]
benkay who cares [05:11]
benkay it's a fact of life [05:11]
herbijudlestoids well, if its JTRIG, i want to know [05:12]
benkay beyond my pay grade, mate [05:12]
nubbins` i accept it [05:12]
ThickAsThieves the Brits did it right? [05:12]
nubbins` let the s be dd if it wishes [05:12]
mircea_popescu i gotta say, im used to hanging out with opinionated geeks, but yall have some of the weirdest forced opinions iv encountered << bs. nobody here has any opinions. [05:14]
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mircea_popescu THEY BE FACTS [05:15]
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BingoBoingo RichardSherman.txt [05:16]
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nubbins` i actually opine fairly often [05:16]
jayk lol [05:16]
nubbins` usually right tho [05:16]
nubbins` so [05:16]
BingoBoingo Aka why the superbowl was as boring as fuck [05:16]
jayk he sprained his ankle [05:16]
jayk sherman was visible upset he wasn't able to show off [05:16]
jayk or run his mouf [05:16]
jayk got carted off the field ... [05:17]
mircea_popescu and now for the real reason herbijudlestoids' decided to stay : [05:17]
BingoBoingo jayk: Shut yout mouth. When he was on the field he crippled Denver, they coudn't dar to try going long. [05:17]
jayk i live in seattle we had a parade today, 750K showed up [05:17]
jayk seattle police only expected about 300 maybe 350K [05:17]
jayk sherman didn't do much during the superbowl and got injured :P [05:19]
the20year2 what parade? [05:19]
jayk for the seahawks [05:19]
the20year2 oh nice [05:19]
the20year2 they deserve it [05:19]
jayk biggest event ever in the history of seattle [05:19]
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the20year2 Good for them [05:19]
BingoBoingo jayk: He did everything the first 3 and 1/3 quarters. [05:19]
benkay bread and circuses. [05:19]
BingoBoingo jayk: What about Ken Griffey Jr. [05:19]
jayk bigger than the worlds fair [05:19]
jayk bigger than ken griffey [05:19]
jayk bigger than any baseball game [05:20]
BingoBoingo jayk: I dunno... How many stereos did da union take during Stl's 2011 world series parades... [05:20]
jayk well i meant just for seattle [05:21]
jayk sorry :) [05:21]
jayk i didn't go specifically because people are probably still trying to get home.. [05:21]
BingoBoingo jayk: It's ok. You can have this totally unwatchable superbowl (for denver reasons) [05:21]
jayk a lot of people turned it off 3/4's into it [05:22]
jayk i was reading about ad placement and the 3/4 time spot was supposed to be the hottest [05:23]
mircea_popescu how did the ad numbers look ? [05:23]
jayk which was where the placed the longest commercial at 2 minutes [05:23]
jayk dunno [05:23]
ThickAsThieves [05:23]
ozbot New lawsuit against Bitcoin miner manufacturer alleges fraud, negligence | Ars Technica [05:23]
ThickAsThieves (BFL) [05:23]
* mircea_popescu dusts off his [05:24]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Ads got sold for a lot and were seen little [05:24]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo %s vs last year ? [05:24]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I don't see an alternative. I went to bed after half time. The game was so poorly matched. [05:25]
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jayk that's going to get ugly [05:26]
mircea_popescu was just curious what teh ppl report themselves. afaik it was a complete disaster and probably the turning point for the entire sport [05:26]
mircea_popescu but hey. [05:26]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I appreciate that as a competitor a great game is humiliating the competition. As a spectator though. I honestly prefer what the BCS offered, an exciting game won as an accident of time. [05:27]
jayk i didnt know there was a BFL scam list [05:28]
BingoBoingo For the college championsip 10 seconds either way on the clock would have changed the win. This Winning by everything sort of game should be a forgetable regular season game. [05:28]
jayk wow i was getting ready to possibly pay them some monies :( [05:29]
BingoBoingo jayk: If you want I mining bond I can offer you BTC equivalent to 0.0125 ml of natural gas per day. [05:30]
jayk oh? [05:30]
BingoBoingo Of course, I can sell 10 of those mining bonds. [05:31]
jayk once this shell fish ban on china passes i can go back to selling them at $50/lb [05:32]
jayk have you seen those things? [05:32]
jayk i live on an island [05:32]
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jayk rich in clams [05:32]
Vexual whats that jayk? [05:32]
jayk biggest clam in the world [05:32]
jayk geoducks are 5lb clams [05:32]
Vexual you grow clams? [05:32]
BingoBoingo Geoduck? [05:32]
jayk maybe 8lb if you get lucky [05:32]
jayk nope i dig them [05:33]
BingoBoingo Is that a pokeman? [05:33]
jayk no [05:33]
jayk i guess i could say i "mine" them [05:33]
jayk hehehe [05:33]
Vexual where do you sell them? [05:34]
jayk restaurants or dry ice over seas [05:35]
Vexual into china? [05:35]
Mats_cd03 mmm clams [05:35]
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jayk [05:36]
jayk they are breeding them now, they were worthless 20 years ago [05:36]
ozbot Geoduck industry fighting China’s shellfish-import ban | Business & Technology | The Seattle Times [05:36]
BingoBoingo Fuck, when does bobsled start, or luge. Betting on hockey is boring. [05:36]
Vexual you just dhl em over on ice? [05:37]
jayk dhl moved out of usa [05:37]
jayk but yes [05:37]
jayk as a kid i could dig 200lbs in an hour [05:38]
jayk i didnt know any better and threw them into the garden as fertilizer [05:38]
jayk for tomato plants [05:38]
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Vexual wheres an agrucultural scientician when you need em huh? [05:46]
jayk lol [05:46]
mircea_popescu jayk mmm clams. [05:47]
Vexual there he is [05:48]
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jayk oh [05:48]
jayk they are tasty in pesto sauce [05:49]
herbijudlestoids mmm pesto [05:49]
Vexual how do they eat them in china? [05:49]
jayk idk [05:49]
mircea_popescu no clam chowder ? [05:49]
jayk clam chowder is a lot of work to make [05:50]
Vexual how much copper nitrate can they cope with? :) [05:50]
nubbins` clam chowder isn't too bad prep-wis [05:50]
nubbins` e [05:50]
nubbins` lot of separate ingredients to buy, but it's a single-pot meal [05:51]
jayk 3hours? [05:51]
jayk potatoes take a long time [05:51]
nubbins` not 3 hours [05:51]
nubbins` 20-30 minutes spread over 3 hours [05:51]
nubbins` that's like saying sourdough is a lot of work because it takes 8 hours to make 2 loaves [05:52]
jayk heh [05:52]
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jayk nobody wants to wait for their delicious chowder ow... [05:52]
nubbins` i'll spend 3-4 hours cooking a meal several days per week [05:52]
Vexual lets get nigella in for the brochure, she will have a 20 minute version [05:53]
nubbins` the other day, i simmered a dozen sausages in a pot of pasta sauce for an hour and a half ;( [05:53]
jayk i have never made it though i have been thinking about it [05:53]
nubbins` the only problem is that it's a costly meal because you have to buy so many different types of seafood [05:54]
Vexual yes, its so china [05:54]
jayk i could get the clams for free [05:54]
nubbins` but you get a huge pot of it afterwards [05:54]
jayk the ground has been so cold here i bet my potatoes are still hard from last year [05:54]
nubbins` i cellared a few sacks of potatoes today [05:55]
cazalla is it even worth your time to grow potatoes? [05:55]
jayk yes [05:55]
cazalla i grow stuff i can't pick up at the fruit shop [05:55]
nubbins` cazalla: again, it's not much effort [05:55]
nubbins` it's just spread over a long period of time [05:55]
jayk i probably have 1000lbs in the ground or more [05:55]
cazalla not so much the effort but the space they take up [05:55]
jayk they are easy to grow [05:55]
nubbins` you can grow potatoes in containers, it's what i've done [05:55]
nubbins` tall wicker baskets, even a burlap sack [05:56]
nubbins` or go fancy and spend $20 on lumber to build a potato box [05:56]
cazalla i've read you can grow them vertically but i've also read people posting that it doesn't work [05:56]
jayk i tried to grow onions but my ducks trampeled over them [05:56]
nubbins` get 100lbs of potatoes out of it [05:56]
Vexual do you pick 100 or 1000 lbs by hand? [05:56]
jayk yes with shovel [05:57]
cazalla my tomatoes have been shit this year, constant heat wave has just ruined them [05:57]
jayk i only picked about 50lbs [05:57]
nubbins` the deck wouldn't support 1000, it's rickety [05:57]
nubbins` my tomatoes were pretty good this year [05:57]
nubbins` the broccoli all bolted when i was away for two weeks [05:57]
jayk a dear destroyed all my tomatoes [05:57]
Vexual my mangoes were stellar [05:57]
jayk next year i will use fencing [05:57]
jayk or guns [05:57]
nubbins` armed sentries [05:58]
nubbins` farmed sentries [05:58]
cazalla sentry would be sweet [05:58]
Vexual i sent an email to batman and no fruitbats came within a mile [05:58]
nubbins` oh, peas [05:58]
nubbins` i had so many goddamn peas this year [05:58]
nubbins` well, last year [05:58]
nubbins` forgot it's feb ;( [05:58]
Vexual now thats a nice thing to eat very fresh is peas [05:58]
cazalla summer is almost over here so i'll be looking forward to winter for the snow peas [05:58]
jayk mmm peas are so good [05:58]
jayk can eat them all day [05:59]
nubbins` yeah [05:59]
Vexual mmm snowpeas [05:59]
nubbins` i tried sugar sprint peas this year [05:59]
nubbins` really tasty [05:59]
nubbins` really fast too [05:59]
nubbins` [06:00]
cazalla do you need a trellis for those [06:00]
ozbot Snap pea 'Sugar Sprint' Plant Care & Growing Information | folia [06:00]
nubbins` i used bamboo rods, sorta worked [06:00]
nubbins` trellis would be better [06:00]
nubbins` or even several rods per pot, teepee style [06:00]
nubbins` grew 'em in empty 2L milk containers [06:01]
Vexual excellent food delivered world wide by jet and all bitcoin should be a thing [06:01]
nubbins` drone delivery [06:01]
herbijudlestoids harrrrrrrrr [06:02]
herbijudlestoids fucken cunts [06:02]
herbijudlestoids i work, with fucken cunts [06:02]
nubbins` this type of milk container, if the top is fully opened, is just deep enough for peas and easy to move by hand: [06:02]
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herbijudlestoids i own a chunk of the company, dont want to quit [06:02]
herbijudlestoids i want them to spend money on servers and switching instead of conferences and meetpus [06:03]
mircea_popescu jesus! so all my life i was of the opinion i can identify diabethics, because i smell it on their breath. bunches of people thought this nutty. [06:03]
nubbins` sweet [06:03]
mircea_popescu talking to doctor person today i find out that a. in diabethics the body uses a lot of fat, creating a lot of ketones [06:04]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: ketoacidosis? [06:04]
herbijudlestoids yea [06:04]
mircea_popescu which eventually decarboxylate into acetone [06:04]
mircea_popescu which eventually gets lost through respiration. [06:04]
mircea_popescu (the guy asks me "well, what does it smell like ?" "apples" "but ofcourse. you're smelling acetone.") [06:04]
Vexual something clever [06:05]
mircea_popescu never fucking doubt what you know! [06:05]
herbijudlestoids or just google to confirm :P [06:05]
herbijudlestoids [06:05]
mircea_popescu i guess so. [06:05]
nubbins` incidentally, this is where the whole "huffing on your fingernails before rubbing them on your lapel" thing came from [06:05]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids don't work with cunts. you play any poker ? [06:06]
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herbijudlestoids i dont play poker [06:06]
Namworld You guys should see Bitfinex right now. [06:06]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids mkay. anyway, the idea is you ditch a hand when you know it can't win, not when you're comfortable with the loss. [06:06]
Namworld Someone managed to put a micro ask order for 500 USD/BTC and a bid for 10000 USD/BTC, which are now stuck there. [06:07]
mircea_popescu bitfinex still exists ?! [06:07]
Namworld Let's just say it's breaking having on the shorts/calls [06:07]
Namworld Yes. I was talking about it last month [06:07]
mircea_popescu how do all the scams keep going about like fucking zombies i'll never know./ [06:07]
Namworld Saying how it was lasting a long time while I expected it to go under within a month. [06:07]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: if i didnt think the company was about to grow by about 1000% i wouldnt be working here :) [06:08]
Namworld Mircea, there's a lot of people trading on Bitfinex. [06:08]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids a ok then. you don't REALLY think they're cunts huh. [06:08]
nubbins` well if it's gonna do that, fuck the servers and switching ;p [06:08]
nubbins` go to 2x as many "meetups" [06:08]
mircea_popescu Namworld sucks for them i guess. [06:08]
Namworld They can be seen on the Bitcoin price/market/speculation channels. Lot of people short/call on there. [06:08]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: theyre cunts because i should be in charge and everyone should listen to me and do as i say but they dont [06:08]
Namworld I'm on like 20 BTC related channels, watching [06:09]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids kinda proves they shouldn't. [06:09]
cazalla tickles my ego when i know what mircea_popescu is going to say before it's said [06:09]
mircea_popescu cazalla :) [06:10]
herbijudlestoids let me clarify. they are not cunts, until something goes wrong in exactly the way that i predicted if we went down a particular path [06:10]
herbijudlestoids then, they are cunts. [06:10]
mircea_popescu tell them :D [06:10]
herbijudlestoids oh i do! [06:10]
mircea_popescu what do they say ? [06:10]
herbijudlestoids mostly that things are the way they are [06:11]
mircea_popescu uh. [06:11]
mircea_popescu i'll bet you an altcoin this thing isn't growing 1000% in three months. [06:11]
Vexual hey im at this luch, sounds like a good idea [06:12]
nubbins` ^ [06:12]
herbijudlestoids 3-6 months is actually the timeframe [06:12]
mircea_popescu take it or leave it :D [06:12]
nubbins` just think your very own altcoin [06:12]
nubbins` you could call it herbijudlestoidscoin [06:12]
mircea_popescu that you can now owe :D [06:12]
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mircea_popescu nubbins` nono, i meant tat's thing [06:12]
mircea_popescu one of them [06:12]
Vexual can't owe for a lunch [06:13]
nubbins` i know ;( [06:13]
mircea_popescu cazalla you know, i'm developing a serious problem with that. [06:13]
mircea_popescu people keep knowing what i'm gonna say and say it first just to spite me [06:13]
mircea_popescu im gonna borrow Vexual's chainz just to mess with people. [06:14]
Vexual um, yeah, sure [06:15]
cazalla i wouldn't do that, i see at as evidence i'm actually learning something [06:15]
cazalla it* [06:15]
nubbins` don't mess with the man's jewelry [06:15]
Vexual yeah its ok [06:16]
Vexual i guess [06:16]
Vexual im not here for a haircut [06:17]
nubbins` who is?! buy clippers [06:17]
herbijudlestoids i think after my company gets bought out im gonna just try and find some small/simple linux sysadmin work [06:17]
Vexual a spoonful of cement perhaps [06:17]
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nubbins` [06:18]
ozbot dpaste: #1587985 [06:18]
nubbins` lel [06:18]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids why not find some small/simple sex work ? [06:18]
mircea_popescu like teaching a bunch of teenagers to enjoy walking naked about town ? [06:19]
nubbins` yeah [06:19]
nubbins` or giving out handies for bitcents [06:19]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: im probly far less qualified? and i love working as a linux sysadmin on small projects? [06:19]
herbijudlestoids im sick of this scale shit [06:19]
herbijudlestoids running thousands of cores [06:19]
Vexual quit [06:19]
herbijudlestoids soon :) [06:19]
herbijudlestoids well, not quit, but buyout [06:20]
Vexual but the cunts remain [06:20]
herbijudlestoids i just have one last extremely large cloud to build [06:21]
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herbijudlestoids maybe ill even get a job in a bookstore or something nice and simple like that [06:22]
Vexual lol [06:22]
mircea_popescu maybe you could work for mr bookman. [06:23]
Vexual ill do your tax [06:23]
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herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: thats two seinfeld quotes, fan? i grew up watching it [06:23]
herbijudlestoids "its european" and "mr bookman" [06:23]
mircea_popescu i probably watched each episode twenty times. [06:23]
Vexual it was all that was on television here for 10 years [06:24]
herbijudlestoids :D do you like curb your enthusiasm? [06:24]
herbijudlestoids lol vex yea [06:24]
mircea_popescu i never watched that. [06:24]
herbijudlestoids woah what! [06:24]
Vexual trilema [06:24]
mircea_popescu o nm, i did watch five minutes of it. larry david is being awkward while a girlscout selling him cookies gets her period. [06:24]
mircea_popescu it sounds way better in that summary than it actually was. [06:25]
nubbins` ^ [06:25]
herbijudlestoids i always grew up thinking each of the seinfeld characters has their own special quirks [06:25]
herbijudlestoids but then i watched curb your enthusiasm and realised they are all just bits of larry david [06:25]
mircea_popescu nah. [06:26]
herbijudlestoids yah [06:26]
mircea_popescu i would say larry david's contribution into the show is roughly represented by his total pay. [06:26]
mircea_popescu he made what, like 50mn to seinfeld's 1bn ? [06:26]
herbijudlestoids ? his net worth is 750mn [06:26]
Vexual im sending chapelle corby the seinfeld box [06:26]
Namworld [23:19] like teaching a bunch of teenagers to enjoy walking naked about town ? [06:26]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: unrelated but possibly relevant to you: [06:27]
Namworld I'd be all for lifting ban on lack of clothing everywhere. [06:27]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: $ 20 or so. [06:27]
jayk wasn't mr bookman allergic to kamers shirt? [06:27]
nubbins` [06:27]
ozbot Sochi security: Airlines warned of explosive toothpaste tube threat - World - CBC News [06:27]
nubbins` you'll need to be unconscious and naked to fly within 10 years, just saying [06:28]
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herbijudlestoids cuntbreak over, back to cunting [06:28]
Vexual big bada boom in the cab nubbins' [06:28]
mircea_popescu Namworld hardly worth doing without the ban. [06:28]
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Namworld I don't see why. It's supposed to be done strictly to go against the rules? [06:30]
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mircea_popescu Namworld i generally don't want to see random people naked. [06:30]
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mircea_popescu i want to see specific people naked and that's all. [06:30]
mircea_popescu moreover, the awkwardness and disability of the general folk the ban supports and nourishes serves as an adequate representation of their general mental and social inferiority. [06:31]
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Namworld Oh, I'd certainly prefer to only see specific people moving around naked and others not. [06:32]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00302999 = 0.303 BTC [+] {2} [06:33]
mircea_popescu so then there you go. ban serves a useful purpose. [06:33]
Vexual what kinda lead time can i expect for a vespa with vex on the numberplate in romania? [06:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00303 = 0.606 BTC [+] [06:34]
Namworld I would be okay if the ban simply wasn't there at all. Simply because it's silly. [06:34]
mircea_popescu Vexual i have no idea. a few weeks / [06:34]
Vexual the plate neednt be actual [06:34]
mircea_popescu Namworld many silly things are required for society to function. [06:34]
Namworld Perhaps. But is that really required for society to function? [06:35]
Vexual food [06:35]
Vexual and the odd sensible person [06:36]
drstevebrule is that chat about bitcoin markets? because BFX is fucked right now [06:37]
Namworld I was mentioning that earlier. [06:37]
drstevebrule if not, what channel do I go to? cause this is a shit show [06:37]
Vexual what of your life boat seteve? [06:37]
nubbins` [06:38]
ozbot Deer droppings lead to artistic protest in Penticton - British Columbia - CBC News [06:38]
Vexual shit that looks like the lamb that brought the fear [06:39]
nubbins` well, doctor, this is as good a place as any to voice your displeasure [06:39]
nubbins` Vexual, it makes me feel funny [06:40]
drstevebrule I told you guys, Im relaxing in my life boat, everyone is starting to really scramble for one now [06:40]
nubbins` that's a lovely wooden stand it's on, though [06:40]
Vexual ug the stand is too two dimensional [06:41]
nubbins` deers can't stand on curved surfaces [06:41]
nubbins` you're thinking goats [06:41]
mircea_popescu drstevebrule say wut ? [06:41]
mircea_popescu o, bitfinex ? dude, srsly, it was identified as a scam a while back, what did you think ? [06:42]
nubbins` [06:42]
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Namworld Was it? [06:43]
mircea_popescu is that your prime minister nubs ? [06:43]
drstevebrule every exchange is on crack these days, you can't win haha [06:43]
nubbins` the duck? he resigned [06:43]
mircea_popescu Namworld [06:43]
nubbins` this is our new prime minister: [06:43]
ozbot MPOE-PR's list of things you always suspected were scams but never dared say so. [06:43]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 14 @ 0.04999554 = 0.6999 BTC [+] {3} [06:44]
Vexual are we allowed vimeo? [06:44]
nubbins` sure, why not [06:44]
nubbins` [06:44]
drstevebrule BFX seems hacked right now, there is a 10,000 bid that is making me take out more margin then I should actually be allowed to take out [06:44]
drstevebrule its a shit show [06:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34850 @ 0.00092702 = 32.3066 BTC [+] {2} [06:45]
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Namworld Oh... I wouldn't as much label it as a scam than incompetence. Although does the distinction between the two really matter? Same result. [06:45]
mircea_popescu i doubt the distinction matters practically. [06:45]
Namworld But yeah [06:45]
Namworld Yes, it's pretty funny, DrSteve [06:45]
Vexual [06:45]
ozbot KOSHEEN - "GONE" - YouTube [06:45]
drstevebrule that is a really nice painting of our prime minister... [06:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00092947 = 4.5079 BTC [+] {2} [06:46]
mircea_popescu drstevebrule this isn't the first time with them, either. one of the two kids split a few months ago, he had a lot of dirt to share re his friend [06:46]
mircea_popescu somehow tho, people never do much research. [06:46]
Namworld There's only one "Gone" video for me... this remix: [06:47]
drstevebrule well I didn't do much research, maybe I should hang out here more. I hope I don't get ripped off [06:47]
mircea_popescu you probably will, as in general i've noticed people join here after being ripped off. [06:48]
mircea_popescu befre, they're kings of all matters financial. [06:48]
drstevebrule haha don't say that, i was not ripped off yet [06:48]
Vexual yeah ive redirected you subscrip[tion to bears monthly [06:49]
Vexual not relly [06:50]
mircea_popescu [06:50]
mircea_popescu now i know i've made it. [06:50]
nubbins` Vexual: [06:51]
nubbins` you can mute if you like [06:51]
Vexual i can handle it [06:51]
ozbot Think you know everything bitcoin? Meet Mircea Popescu of Romania [06:51]
Vexual welcome to yesterday [06:52]
drstevebrule wow, i really am not good enough to be here. fuck - sorry guys [06:52]
mircea_popescu and now it's time for... [06:52]
mircea_popescu [06:52]
ozbot Animaniacs - Nighty Night Toons - YouTube [06:52]
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* Now talking on #bitcoin-assets [16:10]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: || - most days worth reading || - all days worth reading [16:10]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Nov 27 22:34:53 2013 [16:10]
truffles im sure there are some who enjoy that.. [16:10]
KRS-One she better not travel quickly though any areas of great pressure difference or there could be a big ole mess. [16:11]
truffles face not even important enough .. [16:11]
truffles tv show had woman fall from respectable height into water, massive boobs popped heh [16:11]
KRS-One Nothing special at all..kind of beavis like... [16:11]
KRS-One Yeah! I heard abou tthat. [16:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.00085461 = 19.656 BTC [+] [16:12]
KRS-One and the one bitch on the airplane. [16:12]
KRS-One Could you imagine getting some of the fallout on you?? I'd be scared for life. [16:12]
truffles dunno if we're on the same ppl, but doubt they consider that when purchasing [16:13]
ThickAsThieves Altcoin Update: [16:13]
truffles u mean the person who bought or random? [16:13]
KRS-One ThickAsThieves: This was just for the lulz right? [16:13]
truffles silicone feels nice afaik [16:14]
KRS-One Is it traded on any exchanges yet? [16:14]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves did you ever get the code ? [16:14]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04909987 = 0.2455 BTC [+] [16:14]
ThickAsThieves no [16:14]
ThickAsThieves i'm still crossing my fingers pankakke can help or it magically appears [16:14]
ThickAsThieves otherwise i guess i'll post bounties to strangers [16:15]
mircea_popescu da fuck is matt doing. [16:15]
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truffles "Fight the fight, sing the song" hehe [16:15]
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ThickAsThieves ThickAsThieves: This was just for the lulz right? << as much as anything in life [16:16]
truffles haha [16:16]
mircea_popescu depends on whose life. [16:17]
mircea_popescu lyfe* [16:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.04909986 = 0.1473 BTC [-] [16:17]
ThickAsThieves all values are dynamic, you taught me that [16:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.00085557 = 24.2982 BTC [+] [16:18]
truffles even honey badger name drops hmm [16:18]
mircea_popescu if doge had the sense to start all addresses with Derp [16:18]
Duffer1 hehe [16:18]
mircea_popescu then the association of herpetologist s could have made herpcoin [16:18]
mircea_popescu and we could have had herpderp altcoin wars [16:19]
mircea_popescu people. no strategic lulzforesight at all. [16:19]
truffles dodge envy itc [16:19]
dexX7 [16:19]
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truffles TAT what happens when some random noob gets pissed at u [16:21]
ThickAsThieves depends [16:22]
Duffer1 who would get mad at tat? [16:22]
truffles me? [16:22]
Apocalyptic someone who bought X-BOND above the buyback price ? [16:22]
Duffer1 hehe [16:22]
ThickAsThieves i can think of more [16:22]
ThickAsThieves hehe [16:22]
ThickAsThieves i'll either handle it, or i won't, or the crowd will [16:23]
truffles Apocalyptic have u played BingoBoingo yet? [16:23]
Apocalyptic yeah, was a one time thing though [16:23]
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truffles im unhappy with the win loss ratio [16:23]
truffles why [16:24]
ThickAsThieves gavin hes lego hair [16:24]
ThickAsThieves has* [16:24]
truffles was he snail pace? [16:24]
Apocalyptic we call it playmobil hair here [16:24]
ThickAsThieves hehe [16:24]
truffles yes no??? [16:25]
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PsychoticBoy_ all assets are crap and virtual [16:27]
PsychoticBoy_ not backed by anything but air [16:27]
ThickAsThieves is keiser promoting maxcoin legal? i mean it's like 99% ponzi no? [16:27]
PsychoticBoy_ whole MPex for example [16:27]
PsychoticBoy_ ppl still buying that degrading shit [16:28]
ThickAsThieves you were asking who gets mad at TAT? [16:28]
ThickAsThieves enter PBoy [16:28]
PsychoticBoy_ no I am not mad [16:28]
truffles Usao Scoin [16:28]
Apocalyptic u mad bro ? [16:28]
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PsychoticBoy_ yup and the bigest terrorist is the USA [16:28]
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PsychoticBoy_ hopefully THEY get hat they deserve :) [16:29]
PsychoticBoy_ f the usa [16:29]
mircea_popescu PsychoticBoy_ listen here, just because you ran a shit asset on the global scam exchange [16:29]
PsychoticBoy_ come on Russia bomb USA [16:29]
mircea_popescu doesn't mean everyone's you. [16:29]
PsychoticBoy_ lol [16:29]
PsychoticBoy_ gypsy king is speaking [16:29]
mircea_popescu easiest thing to do this, i'm stupid so therefore the world's dumb. [16:29]
mircea_popescu and that "degrading shit", for your information, has been here while you've been taking your goat sabbatical [16:30]
PsychoticBoy_ goat? [16:30]
mircea_popescu "o herpderp i take a year off come back everyone forgot everything" [16:30]
PsychoticBoy_ fuck goat [16:30]
PsychoticBoy_ the scamming thai bitch [16:30]
mircea_popescu i can't distinguish between you glbse set. [16:30]
mircea_popescu but anyway. got shit to do so, later. [16:30]
truffles Goat is scammer? [16:30]
truffles :( [16:30]
PsychoticBoy_ uhhh you did not know [16:30]
PsychoticBoy_ lol [16:30]
Apocalyptic goat ran pirate's PT [16:31]
truffles PT? [16:31]
truffles link? [16:31]
Duffer1 passthrough [16:31]
Apocalyptic passthrough [16:31]
Apocalyptic link ? check the forums, it's common knowledge here [16:31]
PsychoticBoy_ chaaang noi is banned at most places [16:31]
PsychoticBoy_ changes his name every day on bitcointalk [16:32]
PsychoticBoy_ says enough [16:32]
ThickAsThieves how many days between when you change names? [16:32]
PsychoticBoy_ I? [16:32]
truffles well thats disappointing [16:32]
PsychoticBoy_ I do not change name because I am a very very reputable member of this community :) [16:33]
PsychoticBoy_ unlike others [16:33]
PsychoticBoy_ many know me personal [16:33]
Duffer1 ;;gpg info psychoticboy_ [16:33]
gribble No such user registered. [16:33]
PsychoticBoy_ like all people on conferences [16:33]
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ThickAsThieves did you go to the Amsterdam one? [16:39]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27756 @ 0.00085494 = 23.7297 BTC [+] {2} [17:00]
PsychoticBoy_ yes I was at the Amsterdam con [17:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 67 @ 0.00339001 = 0.2271 BTC [+] [17:02]
PsychoticBoy_ 45 min drive so it was around the corner [17:02]
ThickAsThieves maybe we met [17:05]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.04909984 = 0.1964 BTC [+] {2} [17:05]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.129 = 0.645 BTC [+] [17:14]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.075 = 0.975 BTC [-] [17:15]
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mike_c ;;bc,24hprc [17:42]
gribble 813.68 [17:42]
mike_c this is the real problem with not announcing option excercies. we don't get to watch the drama unfold :) [17:42]
mike_c i bet the option whale is having a bad day. [17:42]
pankkake I thought they were at the end of the month? [17:45]
kakobrekla cheaper today [17:45]
pankkake oh [17:45]
pankkake lol, it looks like the only way to change your havelock password is to do "forgot password" [17:46]
mike_c ;;calci) [18:56]
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ThickAsThieves accepting bitcoin is the new "IPO" [19:01]
ThickAsThieves Overstock and Tigerdirect etc get a few extra hundred thousand and fade away [19:02]
Duffer1 i accept bitcoin [19:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 0.76834323 BTC to 801 shares, 95923 satoshi per share [19:02]
Duffer1 and lambos [19:02]
pankkake well, they deliver, at least [19:02]
ThickAsThieves indeed [19:02]
pankkake IPO was getting a lot of coins without accountability [19:02]
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pankkake if accepting bitcoins means a lot of publicity and sales, that's not bad :) [19:03]
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pankkake are lambos a good store of value? [19:04]
nubbins` heh [19:05]
Duffer1 i have yet to receive one, i'll let you know if that happens [19:05]
pankkake I'm waiting for [19:05]
nubbins` pankkake: the wallet features were hidden by default [19:05]
pankkake lol hidden [19:05]
nubbins` yeah [19:05]
nubbins` you had to open a blockchain account [19:05]
pankkake reminds me of the flash light app that had a secret feature [19:05]
nubbins` via web [19:05]
nubbins` then some sort of thing like keep the account open for 2 weeks [19:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [MS] 212 @ 0.005 = 1.06 BTC [19:06]
pankkake interestingly, apple does not review the code of the app [19:06]
pankkake so you can sneak things… but usually not for long [19:06]
nubbins` then open the iphone app via the same ip address that you've previously logged in with on the website [19:06]
pankkake lol [19:06]
pankkake amazing [19:06]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [19:06]
nubbins` yeah [19:06]
nubbins` it was a real fuckaround [19:06]
nubbins` but they flew under the radar for years [19:07]
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kakobrekla lol [19:07]
pankkake and in the same way, you can sneak malware. rendering the whole thing "for your protection" a lie [19:07]
nubbins` in practice, this made the app really unreliable when on the go [19:07]
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nubbins` they do automatic code reviews [19:07]
nubbins` no manual tho [19:07]
nubbins` unless there's a problem suspected [19:08]
diametric automatic code reviews.. what a joke [19:08]
* nubbins` shrugs [19:08]
nubbins` i agree [19:08]
nubbins` it's more for catching bugs than anything [19:08]
nubbins` mem leaks etc [19:08]
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ThickAsThieves [19:10]
pankkake he probably doesn't know any respectable bitcoin service ends in .io [19:11]
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nubbins` heh [19:15]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.12997221 = 1.0398 BTC [-] {4} [19:16]
nubbins` anyway, on a related note, xcode comes with some great code analysis tools [19:16]
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nubbins` the IDE itself isn't the greatest, and Interface Builder is pretty derpy [19:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.130001 BTC [+] [19:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.0047894 = 0.1149 BTC [-] [19:17]
nubbins` but the code analysis features are top-notch [19:17]
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pankkake powered by llvm? [19:20]
asciilifeform nubbins`: last i checked, those were just a thin gui skin on top of gdb and gprof. [19:26]
nubbins` pankkake, osx does use llvm-gcc [19:26]
nubbins` asciilifeform: could be, i never dug under the skin too much [19:26]
nubbins` afaik the whole thing is based on gnu tools tho [19:27]
asciilifeform well, Next's perverted gcc fork, anyway. [19:28]
nubbins` nod [19:28]
nubbins` this caused problems when trying to compile the last eulora release for osx [19:28]
nubbins` terrible, terrible problems [19:28]
asciilifeform apple died in '99. [19:29]
asciilifeform replaced by Next. (with name changed to 'apple') [19:29]
nubbins` nod [19:29]
nubbins` even the objects show relics of this [19:29]
BingoBoingo Apple died in 1984 replaced by Macintosh [19:29]
nubbins` NSString, etc [19:29]
nubbins` btw, objective-c is a brutal language to comprehend [19:30]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.13 BTC [-] [19:30]
BingoBoingo Well, not entirely until about 89, but it was on its way [19:30]
nubbins` took me the better part of 2 months just to decipher method calls [19:30]
nubbins` nothing shows a more callous disregard for developers than code relics [19:31]
nubbins` sharepoint was brutal for this [19:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32500 @ 0.00086805 = 28.2116 BTC [+] {2} [19:31]
nubbins` first they misappropropriated all these common words like "site" and "web" and "part" [19:31]
nubbins` then in one major release, they reassigned the names to different things [19:32]
nubbins` what was once called a site is now a web, etc [19:32]
nubbins` but all the old class names remained the same [19:32]
nubbins` so Web w = new Web(); creates a new Site, etc [19:32]
nubbins` it's enough to make you walk away [19:32]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00012909 = 0.6455 BTC [+] {9} [19:32]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6000 @ 0.00012985 = 0.7791 BTC [+] {5} [19:33]
asciilifeform in the '90s, i never imagined i'd miss the 'old apple' [19:34]
nubbins` old apple was before my time [19:34]
nubbins` hackintosh in '08 was my first non-casual exposure [19:35]
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asciilifeform nubbins`: mostly - but not entirely - before my time: [19:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31465 @ 0.00086396 = 27.1845 BTC [-] {4} [19:35]
nubbins` ah, haha, this is like vb [19:36]
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nubbins` or interface builder, to a lesser extent [19:37]
asciilifeform nubbins`: in exactly the same way that a junkyard full of bricks, roof tiles, etc. resembles a house. [19:37]
pankkake there'se a language where the keywords can be either French or English [19:37]
nubbins` hah [19:38]
nubbins` legos, even [19:38]
nubbins` anyway, good article [19:39]
nubbins` there's a steady push towards an apple device being a device of consumption rather than production [19:39]
nubbins` this has been pretty much perfected in iDevices [19:39]
nubbins` osx is slowly following suit [19:40]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+] [19:41]
ThickAsThieves watch neckbeards selftechmutilate [19:42]
ozbot Long Live Cryptic Urgencies - Buttcoin - The P2P crypto-currency for butts. - Buttcoin - It's Bitcoi [19:42]
ThickAsThieves all these guys smashed their phones cuz some reddite said he'd give out money to the first 5 people [19:45]
ThickAsThieves no wthe post is gone [19:45]
Duffer1 didn't he escrow? [19:45]
nubbins` well ya know. [19:45]
kakobrekla so in a few days they will say "sry, you can has btc" [19:45]
nubbins` i'll send 100btc to everyone who smashes their dick with a hammer [19:45]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05610001 = 0.1122 BTC [-] [19:45]
nubbins` 200btc if you upload it to redtube [19:46]
kakobrekla and fanbois will be "oh noes gotta get new iphone 5" [19:46]
kakobrekla apple makes more monies. [19:46]
ThickAsThieves lol [19:46]
nubbins` "know what'll hurt apple? if i smash my on-contract phone that they've already been paid for, in full" [19:46]
kakobrekla and then get a new one [19:46]
* nubbins` shakes head [19:46]
nubbins` naw dude, they're totally going for a windows phone this time ;p [19:47]
ThickAsThieves itd hurt apple way more to sell it secondhand [19:47]
nubbins` tat, the first video is already brutal [19:47]
nubbins` some wizard with a dart hangin out of his face [19:47]
nubbins` "this is not acceptable" [19:47]
nubbins` *smashes $700 phone* [19:48]
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dexX7 didn't he escrow? << he did [19:48]
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Duffer1 oh hey dex, haven't seen you in irc in a while, stayin busy man? [19:48]
ThickAsThieves smash the chinese then? [19:48]
pankkake they should ask themselves why they bought it in the first place, and make their auto-critique [19:48]
ThickAsThieves i'm so confused [19:48]
ThickAsThieves what do i smash to get my way? [19:48]
dexX7 hey :) yea, kinda [19:48]
nubbins` wait, he's going to strikeAAAAHHH [19:49]
kakobrekla smash diablo [19:49]
kakobrekla maybe some ltc will fall out [19:49]
ThickAsThieves can we not turn this into the viability of world wars? [19:49]
ThickAsThieves thank you [19:49]
ThickAsThieves agreed [19:50]
nubbins` man oh man [19:51]
nubbins` i'm actually a bit upset here [19:51]
Duffer1 upset that no one has stepped forward to smash their dicks? [19:51]
kakobrekla smash the phone [19:51]
ThickAsThieves i'm so bad at Apple I refuse to reproduce! [19:51]
nubbins` Duffer1, upset at the stupidity of these retards [19:55]
nubbins` HULK SMASH [19:55]
nubbins` that'll show apple [19:55]
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Duffer1 don't even worry about what retards do [19:59]
Duffer1 that's PR's job [19:59]
Duffer1 :P [19:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.1069323 = 0.2139 BTC [-] {2} [20:01]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 110 @ 0.003065 = 0.3372 BTC [-] [20:02]
nubbins` heh [20:06]
nubbins` "really sending a message to apple here" [20:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [MS] 65 @ 0.005 = 0.325 BTC [20:07]
nubbins` tat had it right, if he really wanted to stick it to apple, he would have sold his phone ;p [20:07]
nubbins` this is like if that single dad who paid us $400 for a bespoke kid's book said "fuck pink eye" and put his book in the shredder [20:08]
nubbins` we'd say "yes, fuck us" while smoking his money [20:08]
ThickAsThieves "i'm going sprint down 300 yards and try and get this rifle on target as fast as possible" [20:08]
ThickAsThieves [20:08]
ozbot R3 Destroys anti bitcoin iPhone with a rifle in exchange for a Nexus 5 - YouTube [20:08]
ThickAsThieves [20:09]
ozbot iPhone 5 phones destroyed in protest against Apple's anti-Bitcoin actions [20:09]
asciilifeform soviet version of the joke: 'man buys a ticket, rips it up and walks - to spite the trolley conductor.' [20:10]
nubbins` side note, what's with all these fucking idiots laying their phones on concrete and striking them with metal tools? [20:10]
nubbins` do they even eyes? [20:11]
ThickAsThieves metal tools are more organic [20:11]
nubbins` heh [20:11]
nubbins` srsly, the only part of these videos where i cringe is when i see a metal implement striking concrete [20:11]
ThickAsThieves when will someone put one in a microwave? [20:12]
nubbins` as soon as i finish submitting this post to reddit [20:12]
nubbins` lel, i kid ;( [20:12]
ThickAsThieves :() [20:13]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 50 @ 0.49816901 = 24.9085 BTC [-] {16} [20:13]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 42 @ 0.0047894 = 0.2012 BTC [-] [20:14]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 183 @ 0.00306469 = 0.5608 BTC [-] {2} [20:15]
nubbins` did i mention the problem i was having with my iphone the other day? [20:16]
nubbins` fuckin thing completely stopped charging, 9 days out of warranty [20:16]
ThickAsThieves you are charging it wrong [20:16]
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ThickAsThieves "We have surveillance video from the hotels that shows people turn on the shower, direct the nozzle at the wall and then leave the room for the whole day," the official told members of the press, according to The Wall Street Journal. [20:17]
ThickAsThieves Kozak was attempting to argue that foreign journalists were biased against Russia and were intentionally working to paint the Sochi games as a disaster. But in the process, he may have just spooked everyone assigned hotel rooms to attend the games. [20:17]
nubbins` cajoled apple into fixing it for free, later realized that the bottom of the port had a bunch of impacted lint [20:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 72 @ 0.00307801 = 0.2216 BTC [+] [20:17]
nubbins` so i guess i get a free box in the mail any day now ;p [20:17]
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ThickAsThieves they let you keep the old one when replacing? [20:17]
nubbins` no, they mail you a box to return your broken phone in [20:17]
ThickAsThieves ah [20:18]
nubbins` literally an hour after i hung up, i scooped the lint out [20:18]
nubbins` works like a charm now [20:18]
Duffer1 so they have video footage of peoples showers? [20:18]
nubbins` Duffer1, +1 heh [20:18]
Duffer1 seems like a terrible thing to tell the press, but what do i know [20:19]
ThickAsThieves yep [20:19]
Duffer1 didn't you get your phone replaced though nub? [20:19]
ThickAsThieves right in the shower head apparently [20:19]
nubbins` tat, got a link? [20:19]
asciilifeform someone should teach these folks about 'parallel construction.' [20:19]
nubbins` Duffer1, nah, have had this for just over a year [20:19]
ThickAsThieves [20:19]
ozbot Russian official says government has video surveillance of Sochi hotel room showers | The Verge [20:19]
Duffer1 what'r you waiting for then, free nexus 5 go [20:19]
ThickAsThieves wsj source [20:19]
ThickAsThieves [20:20]
ozbot Russian Officials Fire Back at Olympic Critics - [20:20]
ThickAsThieves The Iron Shower Curtain [20:20]
nubbins` HAHAHAH [20:21]
Duffer1 [20:21]
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benkay [20:23]
benkay so basically it should be trivial for anyone to accept any altcoin [20:23]
benkay but running a full satoshi client for each chain is a little, ah, shall we say wasteful. [20:23]
ThickAsThieves dammit I need to get this Altcoin source going [20:26]
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benkay what's the Altcoin magic value? [20:27]
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nubbins` over 9000 [20:27]
benkay also i know this is an oldlink but it still delivars chuckles: [20:27]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 816 @ 0.003065 = 2.501 BTC [-] [20:27]
nubbins` so, anyone buying rentalstarter tomorrow? [20:27]
ThickAsThieves i think it has been between .00000300 and .00000100btc so far [20:27]
benkay ThickAsThieves: the "magic value" is a header in the protocol that identifies which network a client is a part of [20:28]
ThickAsThieves and what a client network? [20:29]
ThickAsThieves is [20:29]
Duffer1 nubbins' if i had anything left - no i wouldn't [20:29]
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benkay in this case network referring to the network of nodes broadcasting and verifying transactions [20:29]
ThickAsThieves is the same question as "do you have a dump of the genesis block?" [20:29]
benkay a client being the Satoshi implementation or bitcoinj or multibit w/e [20:29]
benkay no. [20:29]
Duffer1 i like almost everything about it but I'm sure btc itself will do significantly better [20:30]
ThickAsThieves well it was made from [20:30]
benkay magic value is a part of a header sent between nodes. genesis block is the root of the merkle tree. [20:30]
ThickAsThieves and i can get source for other coins made by them [20:30]
benkay if you had the source for alt you could ack "magic" and find it pretty quickly [20:31]
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ThickAsThieves for my alt, or any alt made the from same codebase? [20:31]
ThickAsThieves my issue is the source code doesnt exist anymore [20:32]
ThickAsThieves and i am waiting on coingen to make an identical one so we can reverse create source for the orginal [20:32]
nubbins` Duffer1, +1 [20:32]
nubbins` i don't see rental properties outperforming btc [20:32]
ThickAsThieves yes, my comprehension of the details you describe is pretty low [20:32]
benkay ah well i'm giving the wrong instructions anyways. it's a bit obfuscated: [20:33]
ThickAsThieves but i am willing to pay to get this solved so i can then pay to have pools made or whaver [20:33]
ThickAsThieves get it listed on exchanges [20:33]
ThickAsThieves etc [20:33]
benkay it'll be interesting to see if clients built from the regenerated source code will be able to talk to clients in the wild [20:34]
* nubbins` groans [20:34]
nubbins` what are you gonna do when people start actually wasting/losing money on atc? [20:34]
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benkay cash out, obviously. [20:34]
ThickAsThieves i dont even own any [20:34]
* nubbins` shakes head [20:34]
nubbins` doesn't matter [20:34]
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nubbins` people are going to take it seriously and they're going to lose money [20:35]
nubbins` and you're enabling that [20:35]
ThickAsThieves ... [20:35]
Duffer1 he's not wrong there TaT hehe [20:36]
nubbins` i know it's a big lel, but you should kill this before it grows legs [20:36]
ThickAsThieves i'm not sure he's right either [20:36]
benkay yeah but that's the "kids are going to hurt themselves with guns" argument [20:36]
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ThickAsThieves also who's to say? [20:36]
benkay teach some firearm use, let the idiots die. [20:36]
ThickAsThieves maybe it really does kill all the other alts [20:36]
pankkake lol, the coinget coin I took the source from even has the same port number [20:36]
pankkake coingen [20:36]
nubbins` maybe it really does, yep [20:37]
benkay why would you change the port number? [20:37]
mike_c yeah, where's the hate for bernankoin? as long as he doesn't pump/dump, what's the crime? [20:37]
pankkake because it's anothe coin [20:37]
benkay also the n-coin game will go forever [20:37]
pankkake mike_c: there's no hate for bernankoin [20:37]
pankkake it's *impossible* to premine anyway! [20:37]
ThickAsThieves nubbins ive decided your argument is not sound [20:38]
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ThickAsThieves you had me worried [20:38]
ThickAsThieves but no [20:38]
nubbins` you've decided that the guy selling apples w/ razors to creepy old men is not at fault, because he's not the one handing them out to kids? [20:38]
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mike_c i guess nobody will lose money on bernankoin cuz you can always just print more to keep people from losing money [20:38]
nubbins` "lel pre-razored apples, what a riot!" [20:38]
Duffer1 lol [20:38]
nubbins` and we all have a chuckle and a kid slices his neck open [20:39]
pankkake well anyone printing it for more than a few hours is a fool [20:39]
ThickAsThieves in a world where there can be any number of alts, all on same codebase, no one alt is better than the other [20:39]
nubbins` but hey, fuck him, he shoulda checked! [20:39]
ThickAsThieves that includes bitcoin really [20:39]
nubbins` alts have two purposes: to experiment with ideas and to have a lel/run a scam [20:40]
ThickAsThieves says who [20:40]
asciilifeform eventually, mining breakthrough, and people will regret having undermined the whole concept of blockchain by having a swarm of little chains [20:40]
mike_c that's three purposes [20:40]
nubbins` says me [20:40]
nubbins` mike_c: the lel/scam is the same thing [20:40]
asciilifeform 'fail to hang together, and you will hang separately' [20:40]
ThickAsThieves mining breakthrough? [20:41]
asciilifeform hypothetically. [20:41]
ThickAsThieves but really, what makes bitcoin better than an altcoin other than its adoption level? [20:42]
ThickAsThieves it's all the same shit [20:42]
nubbins` one's real and the other is for fleecing rubes, that's what [20:43]
asciilifeform entirely ignoring the 'features' (many vs. few coins, frequents vs. rare blocks, etc) and premining, [20:43]
asciilifeform the difference is: who has it. [20:43]
nubbins` if you're fine with rubes being fleeced, then there's no difference, no [20:43]
asciilifeform every cryptocoin can be seen as an attempt to 'replay the history of money' [20:43]
asciilifeform with (optionally) different winners. [20:43]
nubbins` ^ [20:43]
asciilifeform much depends on who these winners are. [20:44]
mike_c there is a difference between selling real estate in florida that is secretly swampland, and openly selling swamps. [20:44]
ThickAsThieves and it's impossible to have two coins coexist and be healthy? [20:44]
asciilifeform hard to sell swamp to people who understand what a swamp is. [20:44]
mike_c right, which is why you haven't bought any ATC [20:44]
nubbins` it's impossible for a rubecoin to be healthy, yes [20:45]
ThickAsThieves is it impossible an altcoin will become the winner over bitcoin? [20:45]
asciilifeform it isn't impossible. we live in a world with ms-winblows, for example. [20:45]
nubbins` let's be clear, your experiment isn't intended to become a winner over bitcoin [20:45]
asciilifeform there are many such 'winners'. [20:45]
nubbins` it's intended to have a chuckle [20:45]
benkay even if there is a mining breakthrough, the compute deployed against alts couldn't save bitcoin... [20:45]
nubbins` but the funny thing about intentions... [20:45]
ThickAsThieves says you [20:45]
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nubbins` says me, yes [20:46]
nubbins` says you, as well [20:46]
ThickAsThieves no actually [20:46]
ThickAsThieves says the miners [20:46]
ThickAsThieves thats all really [20:46]
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TomServo ThickAsThieves: You saying you don't own any and won't mine any doesn't preclude that? [20:46]
ThickAsThieves preclude what [20:46]
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TomServo It winning over btc [20:47]
ThickAsThieves what i say doesnt mean much [20:47]
nubbins` that's becoming clear ;D [20:47]
ThickAsThieves seriously [20:47]
* TomServo chuckles. [20:47]
ThickAsThieves i know i fuck around [20:47]
nubbins` i do too [20:48]
nubbins` the suckers being suckered don't [20:48]
ThickAsThieves but you guys arent giving real arguments here [20:48]
ThickAsThieves you act like i'm inventing altcoins [20:48]
asciilifeform whether a particular alt is 'trying to win over btc' can be determined by looking at what it is being traded for. [20:48]
Duffer1 it's a subjective moral argument [20:48]
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asciilifeform if it is being parcelled out in exchange for btc... [20:48]
asciilifeform then it is clear which coin the author regards as genuine and having a future. [20:48]
Duffer1 based entirely on what you believe is moral or amoral [20:49]
nubbins` duffer, it boils down to this, yes [20:49]
nubbins` promoting a lelcoin as being serious is amoral [20:49]
nubbins` in my view [20:49]
ThickAsThieves what if the other just wants to do create the thing to see what happens [20:49]
nubbins` others disagree [20:49]
asciilifeform would you happily part with gold, for instance, if you believe that 'gold standard' will make a comeback? [20:49]
Mats_cd03 so what was the size of the mpex whale fee [20:49]
nubbins` what if i just want to stuff a cigarette with match heads to see what happens? [20:49]
mike_c nubbins`: do you think it was immoral to flip houses during the housing bubble? [20:49]
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ThickAsThieves so far its mostly been an expression for me, some luls sure, but kinda performance art [20:50]
ThickAsThieves i havent even pondered what my investment strategy might be for it [20:50]
ThickAsThieves i dont care [20:50]
ThickAsThieves maybe i buy some [20:50]
ThickAsThieves maybe i dont [20:50]
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nubbins` mike_c, there was a housing bubble? ;p [20:50]
nubbins` i think it's immoral to sell a cardboard box painted up like a house to a new family [20:51]
ThickAsThieves thats not what this is [20:51]
nubbins` bernankoin, you read the spec and have a lel [20:51]
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nubbins` dogecoin, you see people actually losing things of value [20:52]
nubbins` intentions don't matter, what people do with the thing you've made does matter [20:52]
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mike_c bah. and bitcoin is to blame for assasinationmarket [20:53]
benkay is running a gambling house a moral operation, nubbins`? [20:53]
nubbins` benkay, no [20:53]
nubbins` mike_c: assassinations are purchased with or without bitcoin [20:53]
nubbins` rubes losing money on ATC doesn't happen without ATC [20:53]
mike_c of course it does. [20:54]
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mike_c that money is lost simply by rubes having it. [20:54]
ThickAsThieves you cant die from frostbite while bathing in lava either [20:54]
asciilifeform 'if i hadn't picked his pocket, some other fellow would've.' [20:54]
nubbins` ^ [20:55]
ThickAsThieves except i'm not picking pockets [20:55]
nubbins` nice rationalization, isn't it [20:55]
nubbins` no, you're just selling tongs [20:55]
ThickAsThieves no [20:55]
nubbins` yyyep [20:55]
ThickAsThieves i'm selling streets [20:55]
nubbins` streets serve a useful purpose [20:55]
ThickAsThieves maybe people get robbed on them [20:55]
ThickAsThieves so does currency [20:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18450 @ 0.00085735 = 15.8181 BTC [-] {2} [20:56]
ThickAsThieves maybe people build businesses on them [20:56]
Duffer1 this argument is why i never made Hodorcoin, in the end, someone was going to lose money on it [20:56]
nubbins` if you can justify it to yourself, there's not much i can do to convince you otherwise [20:56]
nubbins` just wanted to offer a perspective [20:56]
mike_c i lost money on mpex once. mp is a scammor. [20:56]
benkay everything is a scam [20:56]
ThickAsThieves i can say i dont want to hurt anyone [20:56]
ThickAsThieves surely [20:56]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35005 @ 0.00085841 = 30.0486 BTC [+] {2} [20:57]
ThickAsThieves but i cant say that i wont sell knives [20:57]
nubbins` sure, and you can offer perpetual mining turds that anyone with a brain would know is a bad purchase [20:57]
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asciilifeform take classic btc. it was a net gain in wealth, rather than simply a machine from moving money from one pocket to another, because it made new things possible. what new things does the altcoin-of-the-day make possible? [20:57]
nubbins` but you can't say that you're not intentionally fleecing rubes [20:57]
asciilifeform 'my ferrari' is one answer. but not an answer that will satisfy skeptics. [20:58]
ThickAsThieves well if we go buy the Altcoin's mission it's purpose is to get everyone to stop mining every other altcoin [20:58]
ThickAsThieves would you count marginal success in that as a good thing? [20:58]
kakobrekla allowing for txes when 1mb limit is being hit for one but thats where it ends [20:58]
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nubbins` would you count getting people off heroin and into crack as a good thing? [20:58]
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jborkl not to the dealers [20:59]
ThickAsThieves i dont think that's a proper comparison [20:59]
asciilifeform this is more like getting all of the addicts to buy from one large dealer instead of quitting [20:59]
nubbins` sure it is, they're trading one terrible choice for another [20:59]
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mike_c if you accept the axiom that any coin besides bitcoin has no value. [20:59]
ThickAsThieves the problem is you are making assumptions that are false [20:59]
Mats_cd03 Some people just lack enough empathy [20:59]
nubbins` do tell! [21:00]
asciilifeform just asking the question of where the added value is. [21:00]
asciilifeform it's a legitimate question. [21:00]
ThickAsThieves you assume all altcoins are a loss/waste [21:00]
ThickAsThieves i do not [21:00]
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nubbins` i don't assume that [21:00]
nubbins` altcoins are a great way to test out new concepts [21:00]
asciilifeform if there's added value ('i've an nsa-resistant work-function, here, look') we're all ears. [21:00]
nubbins` but a big machine that spits out slightly tweaked alts isn't [21:00]
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ThickAsThieves again i think this is a false assumption as well, alts needing new concepts [21:01]
nubbins` nobody's saying you NEED to test new concepts [21:01]
ThickAsThieves no, [21:01]
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TomServo ThickAsThieves: is it a "preformance piece" or "maybe a viable altcoin, we'll see"? [21:01]
asciilifeform then your real proposition is 'i ought to be Satoshi and will use the powers for Good' [21:01]
nubbins` just that there's the potential for learning, growth, new thought processes, etc [21:01]
ThickAsThieves you are saying the NEED is required for value to exist [21:01]
ThickAsThieves it;s not a fact [21:01]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.11833333 = 0.355 BTC [-] {2} [21:02]
ThickAsThieves there are no powers i get or use [21:02]
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asciilifeform 'a) repaint your black car. it should be blue. b) why should i ? a) blue is just as good as black b) wtf a) here, i'll sell you some paint b) what's the value to me a) it doesn't need added value, blue is better ' [21:03]
denlove I wish I had someone send bitcoin to please. 16ZdMuyrVuuupSjVZyPmBWwjHsbcweKGUk [21:04]
nubbins` denlove, eat a bag of dicks [21:04]
ThickAsThieves blue is different [21:04]
ThickAsThieves doesnt need to be better [21:04]
* nubbins` groans [21:04]
kakobrekla I wish blowjob and icecream [21:04]
nubbins` you're trying to rationalize your lelcoin right now, in this conversation [21:04]
asciilifeform ThickAsThieves: good luck with the chump harvesting. [21:04]
nubbins` ^ [21:04]
* TomServo is disappoint. [21:04]
* nubbins` is disappoint. [21:04]
ThickAsThieves seriously, you cant definitively win one argument and now i'm a shill [21:05]
nubbins` what's with "winning" "arguments"? [21:05]
TomServo TomServo | ThickAsThieves: is it a "preformance piece" or "maybe a viable altcoin, we'll see"? [21:05]
ThickAsThieves i dont know [21:05]
ThickAsThieves it just is [21:05]
asciilifeform the trouble with chump harvesting, morals aside, is that there is always a new, slicker chump-harvesting artist coming to town. [21:05]
asciilifeform whose 'no added value needed' proposition is 'just as good' as yours [21:06]
asciilifeform but new/exciting. [21:06]
mike_c that's not trouble if he's not trying to harvest chumps [21:06]
nubbins` so value, many excite [21:06]
ThickAsThieves so [21:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.003078 = 0.4617 BTC [+] [21:06]
ThickAsThieves let them compete, idc [21:06]
asciilifeform live by the chumps, die by the chumps. who are fickle. [21:06]
ThickAsThieves its nothing to do with chumping people [21:06]
nubbins` let them eat cake! [21:06]
ThickAsThieves there will be wealth in more coins than bitcoin, for as long as this paradigm can even exist [21:07]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25070 @ 0.00085996 = 21.5592 BTC [+] {3} [21:07]
pankkake well, I'm stuck :( [21:07]
ThickAsThieves your arguments live in some imaginary ending where only bitcoin is left [21:08]
asciilifeform the other thing, your alt may be 'honest', but plenty are not. say, quite soon governments will begin herding people (through guile or force) into national altcoins. [21:08]
asciilifeform with central control. [21:08]
asciilifeform the proliferation of chumpcoins sets the stage for this [21:08]
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asciilifeform by destroying the Schelling point. [21:08]
ThickAsThieves so [21:08]
asciilifeform 'divide & conquer' [21:08]
Duffer1 interesting proposition [21:08]
ThickAsThieves you cant stop it if thats the path [21:08]
ThickAsThieves and it certainly wont be because i made Altcoin [21:08]
pankkake it's pchMessageStart, but I'm not sure how to reverse-engineer it [21:08]
asciilifeform 'no drop of water believes that it is to blame for the flood' etc. [21:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21450 @ 0.00086492 = 18.5525 BTC [+] [21:09]
ThickAsThieves lol [21:09]
ThickAsThieves altcoins are seeking their place, itll always be dynamic, but they will have a place [21:10]
ThickAsThieves it's our reality [21:10]
ThickAsThieves you cant will it away [21:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28800 @ 0.00086998 = 25.0554 BTC [+] {2} [21:10]
Duffer1 lets put aside the moralizing and focus on the likely outcome of the experiment [21:10]
mike_c imagine a grid with 100 tiny squares and 1 enormous square. Add as many tiny squares as you want, the Schelling point remains. [21:10]
Rick_ mircea is here? [21:10]
asciilifeform Duffer1: we already know the outcome. that's what makes it a distinctly disappointing experiment. [21:11]
Duffer1 paging mircea_popescu , mircea_popescu to the desk please [21:11]
ThickAsThieves oh you do? [21:11]
ThickAsThieves intersting [21:11]
ThickAsThieves e [21:11]
Duffer1 i believe that is the likely outcome as well ascii [21:11]
asciilifeform somewhere in russia, a drunk is unzipping, preparing to piss in an apartment lobby. you prod him, he answers 'drunks will always piss in lobbies. you can't just will it away.' [21:12]
Duffer1 getting from here to there would probably be very interesting though [21:12]
pankkake does anyone here know basic C? how do I print, say, 0x0b? I want it to be 0x0b on the screen, or similar [21:12]
asciilifeform 'besides it already stinks' [21:12]
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ThickAsThieves no, you are trying to say pissing shouldnt happen at all [21:12]
asciilifeform pankkake: printf("%x", foo) [21:13]
ThickAsThieves or that there is only one place to piss [21:13]
ThickAsThieves i dunno [21:13]
pankkake thanks, this is also what I found :) [21:13]
pankkake I need to find something interesting to write in C [21:13]
asciilifeform ThickAsThieves: merely that the world would stink less if people could agree to piss in toilets, or the woods, but not apartment lobby. [21:13]
nubbins` what he's saying is piss in the fucking toilet [21:13]
nubbins` not in people's faces [21:13]
ThickAsThieves by that argument why do we allow more than one fiat? [21:13]
ThickAsThieves why hasnt that been cleaned up? [21:14]
ThickAsThieves didnt require bitcoin to do so [21:14]
asciilifeform for the same reason that a town has more than one burglar [21:14]
ThickAsThieves you really see it that way? [21:14]
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asciilifeform very basic game theory. [21:15]
mike_c pankkake: take something slow in one of your python programs and write a C module for it [21:15]
ThickAsThieves and what of this grand plan to make a better [21:16]
ThickAsThieves mircea is scammer too? [21:16]
nubbins` "a better" [21:17]
nubbins` atc = "a better" alt? [21:17]
jurov pankkake: rewrite pympex (but dunno if there's portable gpg C library) [21:17]
nubbins` PMTs = "a better" way to invest? [21:17]
pankkake I doubt the performance issues of pympex are in the Python code ;) [21:17]
ThickAsThieves amazing [21:17]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [21:17]
ThickAsThieves so enabling the more efficient creation of Altcoins is moral, but making one is not [21:18]
jurov i had in mind portability issues [21:18]
nubbins` nobody's saying that [21:18]
pankkake there are many gpg python libs, which all suck in a different way [21:18]
ThickAsThieves so it's just a fleecing of rubes plan of mp's? [21:18]
nubbins` nobody's saying that either [21:19]
jurov pankkake: yep, even some forks with same name [21:19]
nubbins` making a new compiler != creating exploits [21:19]
asciilifeform ignoring morality entirely. if you'd like to live in a future where crypto-coins are a useful thing, vs. a fogotten fad, think twice about cranking out spamcoins. [21:19]
pankkake in the end, for what I wanted to do, I ended up calling gpg directly [21:19]
nubbins` signal-to-noise-ratiocoin [21:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 900 @ 0.00307922 = 2.7713 BTC [+] {2} [21:20]
benkay asciilifeform: would you elaborate on how cranking out altcoins will do *anything* to bitcoin? [21:20]
mike_c pankkake: curious what you were trying to do that was not working with the python gpg lib? [21:21]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 750 @ 0.0030798 = 2.3099 BTC [+] [21:21]
asciilifeform benkay: one of the big strengths of classic btc is that it is a schelling point. [21:21]
asciilifeform now every idiot wants 'his own' blockchain. and soon, every government, with master keys baked in, naturally [21:22]
pankkake it's wasn't really about working, but I didn't want to add a dependency for nothing [21:22]
mike_c ah [21:22]
pankkake in the end most of the feature is calling gpgv [21:23]
asciilifeform in the latter, fiat infusions will make these boobycoins appear to be (temporarily) valuable [21:23]
asciilifeform and chumps will flock to them. [21:23]
pankkake which is also portable :) [21:23]
asciilifeform getting used to central control, pre-mining by national mints, and all of the traditional joys of fiat. [21:23]
asciilifeform 'embrace and extinguish.' [21:24]
mike_c i think you are vastly overestimating public knowledge of even the existence of altcoins [21:24]
ThickAsThieves I think you have limited the possible futures too much [21:25]
Duffer1 Max Keiser ‏@maxkeiser 17m [21:25]
Duffer1 #maxcoin mining and buying panic is building... all system look good to go. @maxcoinproject [21:25]
Duffer1 >.< [21:25]
nubbins` ^ [21:25]
asciilifeform naturally, people will shit out alts. nothing i can say here would put the slightest dent in it. just as they will continue to throw cigarette butts from cars. [21:25]
nubbins` replace max with alt [21:25]
asciilifeform every cig thrower is king of his own universe for a few seconds [21:25]
asciilifeform just like the alt author. [21:25]
nubbins` ^ [21:25]
mike_c i like that analogy. so TaT threw a cig butt on the ground. who cares? [21:26]
ThickAsThieves the burning forest! [21:26]
kakobrekla green peace [21:26]
pankkake fucking fuck, now it connects, but every block is an orphan to it… [21:26]
nubbins` mike_c: yeah, who cares! we can do this forever! [21:26]
* nubbins` throws a bag of trash into the sea [21:27]
mike_c yes, we can. the world has not yet crumbled from tossed cig butts. [21:27]
nubbins` fuck everything, it's the road's fault for being there [21:27]
nubbins` "not yet" [21:27]
nubbins` you've got that part right, at least [21:27]
nubbins` "it hasn't happened yet!" [21:27]
nubbins` ergo, it never will! [21:27]
ThickAsThieves again a bad analogy [21:28]
nubbins` when can we expect mike_ccoin? [21:28]
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mike_c never, i own one ATC. hence my position :) [21:28]
asciilifeform [21:28]
ozbot - WELCOME TO SHIT BEACH [21:28]
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asciilifeform life in garbage world, sans cleanup crews. [21:28]
benkay but "good money drives out bad", asciilifeform. every local government can print their own fiat, demand taxes in their own shitcoin, and all of the wealth will stay in bitcoin. [21:29]
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nubbins` "so what if we're helping turn cryptocurrency into a digital liberia" [21:29]
nubbins` "fuck the signal, here's some more noise" [21:29]
asciilifeform the question we're about to learn the answer to is close to: 'does the average person actually appreciate toilets and garbage trucks? or would be be just as happy using his local beach?' [21:29]
mike_c this is like imagining that the btctalk retardation will hurt bitcoin. [21:29]
benkay there is only noise in the universe. moments of signal are rare and unusual and vanish rapidly. thermodynamics at work. [21:30]
* nubbins` groans [21:30]
nubbins` benkay, that's about two steps from "what IS reality?" [21:30]
mike_c but he threw his butt in the toilet. it was announced on btctalk. [21:30]
kakobrekla everything is locel on the net [21:30]
kakobrekla local [21:31]
benkay not hardly. it's more along the lines of "seeing clearly in the fog is difficult", nubbins`. not "everything is foggy so fuck it". [21:31]
nubbins` mike_c, ah, the toilet? that's okay, then [21:31]
nubbins` once you flush things down the toilet, they're gone [21:31]
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ThickAsThieves Maybe, I make Altcoin, it does pretty good, then something goes bad and people lose a bunch of money. Then I admit you guys were right. The guilt eats my soul til I realize I must now design the best coin ever. I do, and it kills bitcoin, and the world basks in a new dawn of finance. I load up IRC "sup fuckers, good thing I made Altcoin!" [21:31]
benkay just because the signal is loud and clear today is not a reason why it should remain that way. [21:31]
nubbins` "well, the tanker was leaking oil something fierce, so we towed it outside the environment" [21:31]
nubbins` "into another environment?" [21:32]
nubbins` "no, OUT of the environment" [21:32]
mike_c ok, i give up. let's debate abortion and gun control instead. [21:32]
kakobrekla kill fetuses with guns! [21:32]
nubbins` ThickAsThieves: ... [21:32]
ThickAsThieves :) [21:32]
asciilifeform ThickAsThieves: i, for one, had no notion of convincing you that bamboozling people is wrong. only that you are ultimately burning your own furniture for heat. [21:32]
mike_c they aren't fetuses they are human beings. murderer. [21:33]
kakobrekla no, guns kill people, not people. not a murderer [21:33]
pankkake to make a "successful" altcoin nowadays you need more than releasing it [21:33]
asciilifeform right now, alt enthusiasts are shitting on a relatively clean beach. [21:33]
Duffer1 when i argue against something, i take the time later to try to argue for it, i can't think of any arguments for altcoin atm (but that could very likely be user error) hehe [21:33]
ThickAsThieves asciilifeform, you are likely right, but it is already shaping up to be an interesting excercise [21:34]
asciilifeform they happily take their btc earnings from selling the alts and enjoy the valuable, relatively-stable coin. [21:34]
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nubbins` "can we trust this ThickAsThieves fellow?" "of course you can trust me, neobee, AM, etc" "but what about the perpetual mining turd and the altcoin thing?" "no no no, those were just a lel" [21:35]
nubbins` ^ this is the other side of it [21:35]
kakobrekla someone has to be on the other side of the sell asciilifeform [21:35]
jborkl so what did I miss about GOX? just read a article that bitcoin withdraws are not working now? (not that I use them anymore) [21:35]
nubbins` you asked me if mp was running a scam by making a better coingen. i ask you if there's a mirceacoin [21:35]
asciilifeform nubbins`: 'Bob the Bridge Builder.' [21:35]
nubbins` wait, the same bob who sucks dicks? [21:35]
nubbins` i've heard of him [21:36]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76373 @ 0.00086841 = 66.3231 BTC [-] [21:36]
ThickAsThieves i do wish mircea was here, because even if i'm outright in the wrong, he'd at least be able to make that clear. i'm having real trouble with these arguments. [21:36]
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ThickAsThieves and to comment on TAT.VM [21:37]
asciilifeform not sure even karl friedrich gauss could make this any more clear. [21:37]
nubbins` HEH [21:37]
ThickAsThieves First, I didn't really realize what would happen, and I really did not intend to harm. However, I do regret it. [21:37]
nubbins` ^ picture yourself saying this about ATC 6 months from now [21:38]
benkay it's fine [21:38]
nubbins` please [21:38]
benkay you've done nothing [21:38]
ThickAsThieves And that regret did have an affect on my latter movs. [21:38]
asciilifeform ThickAsThieves: if this is true, it isn't too late to publicly repent and call the thing off. [21:38]
ThickAsThieves moves [21:38]
asciilifeform it would be a very educational act. [21:38]
nubbins` ^ [21:38]
benkay how are you going to do that? [21:38]
ThickAsThieves i will not [21:38]
asciilifeform well, we tried. [21:38]
ThickAsThieves if it dies it will be due to my attention span more likely [21:38]
nubbins` SMH [21:39]
jborkl What are you doing anywy Tat, I missed that part [21:39]
Duffer1 Altcoin jborkl [21:39]
nubbins` jborkl, helping scammers fleece rubes [21:39]
nubbins` or inventing the future of crypto [21:39]
ThickAsThieves in a meta moment i made a meta altcoin [21:39]
nubbins` we can't agree [21:39]
mike_c [21:39]
ozbot The Real Altcoin (ATC) - Never mine another altcoin again. [21:39]
ThickAsThieves look the slogan is also the disclaimer [21:40]
ThickAsThieves what more can i do [21:40]
mike_c btw, i disagree that an honestly run buisness that ends in failure is tarnishing to a reputation. [21:40]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1200 @ 0.003078 = 3.6936 BTC [-] {4} [21:40]
ThickAsThieves are you referring to TAT.VM? [21:41]
asciilifeform mike_c: if pump'n'dump is a type of honest business, i'd hate to see what a scam is now [21:41]
mike_c he's not pumping & dumping! [21:41]
nubbins` mike_c: you disagree that displaying a shocking lack of foresight is tarnishing to a reputation? [21:41]
nubbins` jesus [21:41]
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benkay what is this shocking lack of foresight? [21:42]
mike_c a shocking lack of foresight? super harsh. a lot of entrepeneurs fail [21:42]
nubbins` benkay, mike_c: TAT.VM [21:42]
nubbins` [16:07:54] First, I didn't really realize what would happen, and I really did not intend to harm. However, I do regret it. [21:42]
ThickAsThieves i dont regret it as a failure [21:42]
ThickAsThieves i'm not sure i'd even call it a failure [21:43]
nubbins` maybe you could whip up a regretcoin, premine a bunch, and send them to the rubes who got fleeced [21:43]
benkay how was vm a failure? [21:43]
asciilifeform ThickAsThieves: maybe i missed something... but where's the source code? [21:43]
nubbins` benkay: it wasn't a failure for TAT [21:43]
ThickAsThieves you missed something ;) [21:43]
benkay that's part and parcel of the story, asciilifeform. he didn't pay for the source. [21:43]
nubbins` mike_c was the one who mentioned failute [21:43]
nubbins` *failure [21:43]
asciilifeform who in his right mind would run this [21:43]
ThickAsThieves i regret that some people really did not understand what they were buying, despite utter transparency [21:43]
asciilifeform 7MB is room for all of the world's trojans, etc [21:44]
nubbins` do you regret that you really did not understand what you were selling? [21:44]
ThickAsThieves which wouldnt be so bad [21:44]
benkay nubbins`: it's a perpetual mining bond. pay btc now for a thing that becomes rapidly more useless. [21:44]
ThickAsThieves if it werent for the dramatic mining diff changes that came like 1 week after release [21:44]
nubbins` benkay: yes, that's correct [21:44]
ThickAsThieves i knew what i was selling [21:44]
nubbins` ooh [21:44]
asciilifeform pay for the source? [21:44]
nubbins` that's worse [21:44]
ThickAsThieves it was spelled out quite clearly [21:44]
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nubbins` you knew you were selling overpriced turds? [21:44]
benkay it was crystal clear. [21:44]
* nubbins` facepalms [21:45]
asciilifeform as if it took more than ten minutes to grab a copy of bitcoind src and change the constants [21:45]
mike_c do you hate JD too? people have lost more on that then they will ever lose on atc. [21:45]
nubbins` [16:07:54] First, I didn't really realize what would happen [21:45]
nubbins` [16:14:38] i knew what i was selling [21:45]
mike_c and people don't "understand" volatility or EV [21:45]
ThickAsThieves am i a criminal for profiting off jurov when he did the opposite? [21:45]
benkay yes well this is the world in which we live, asciilifeform. people can't grep source and depend on web apps to make altcoins from them. [21:45]
ThickAsThieves i sold mining futures [21:45]
nubbins` i'm not saying you're a criminal, i'm saying you're hurting other people as well as yourself [21:45]
ThickAsThieves oh i did not hurt myself [21:46]
asciilifeform i changed my mind. we should all love Altcoin. anyone who runs a 7MB turd of unknown provenance deserves the lessons contained therein. [21:46]
ThickAsThieves i gained some very valuable experience [21:46]
nubbins` oh, you hurt yourself, even if you don't realize it yet [21:46]
asciilifeform ThickAsThieves: i hope you stuffed some serious 0day strange in there. [21:46]
ThickAsThieves i didnt even make it [21:46]
ThickAsThieves bluematt did [21:46]
nubbins` "i didn't put the razor in the apple, i just gave it to the kid" [21:47]
mike_c now that they are making a mistake out of security ignorance instead of financial ignorance it's better :) [21:47]
nubbins` we're going to run out of soap if this hand-washing continues [21:47]
mike_c we're already out of soap boxes. [21:47]
nubbins` oh, zing [21:47]
mike_c hehe [21:47]
nubbins` luckily everyone's already standing on one [21:47]
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ThickAsThieves consider also that tatvm enabled me to do every release after it [21:48]
ThickAsThieves xbond, neo [21:48]
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nubbins` consider that pirate's scam enabled him to buy a bunch of blow [21:49]
ThickAsThieves so xbond was blow? [21:49]
nubbins` consider that tatvm has tainted everything you've done since [21:49]
ThickAsThieves and your integrity is flawless? [21:49]
ThickAsThieves so basically i hath been judged by nubbins long ago? [21:50]
nubbins` go dig up some dirt on me, i'll wait here [21:50]
nubbins` and basically, yep [21:50]
ThickAsThieves good to know i guess [21:50]
nubbins` good to know if you take something away from it [21:51]
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nubbins` useless to know otherwise [21:51]
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Duffer1 i still <3 you TaT [21:53]
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Duffer1 another haiku! [21:54]
TomServo Well fascinating conversation, either way. [21:54]
nubbins` indeed [21:54]
mike_c roosevelt had something to say about this [21:55]
nubbins` mike_c: did he say "if your friends have to issue public warnings not to invest in things you create, you're probably a legit businessman with a future"? [21:55]
TomServo Something I think asciilifeform touched on, judging the merits of all cryptocurrencies... isn't hashrate pretty much the end-all-be-all? [21:55]
mike_c i don't think that was it [21:56]
asciilifeform TomServo: hash rate isn't all of it. lack of seigniorage is another. [21:56]
nubbins` mike_c: i'm terrible with quotes [21:56]
mike_c i have had friends start buisnesses that i would not invest in. that didn't make them scum. [21:57]
TomServo asciilifeform: Ah yes, with that being equal though? [21:57]
mike_c why do i keep misspelling business? [21:57]
asciilifeform there's a difference between 'use my thing. because it's better' and 'use my thing. it's better, really. and oh btw, if you buy in it will pay for my 1kg/day coke habit.' [21:57]
ThickAsThieves wtf [21:58]
TomServo I thought it was pretty interesting to see the LTC DOGE hashrate intersect, and then re-intersect and what those implications might be. [21:58]
mike_c yeah, tat is rolling in blow from atc. [21:58]
asciilifeform seigniorage is an actual problem. i personally know perfectly reasonable, intelligent people who won't go near btc because of Satoshi's coins. [21:59]
kakobrekla TomServo the implication is, people can get fooled more than once [21:59]
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nubbins` good a time for a break as any [22:02]
nubbins` coffee! [22:02]
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pankkake I give up on making a source for Altcoin… I don't understand why it orphans the blocks [22:05]
pankkake the only thing I didn't chaneg is[0].scriptSig and I have no idea what it is, if it matters, and how to find its value [22:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 252 @ 0.00307 = 0.7736 BTC [+] [22:06]
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pankkake OK maybe I can get it in the first transaction, which seems isn't me… weird [22:07]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40250 @ 0.00086847 = 34.9559 BTC [+] {2} [22:10]
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nubbins` bee bee el, pan-frying cod [22:15]
pankkake lol getrawtranscation doesn't work for the firt tx it seems [22:15]
pankkake meh, anyway I don't know what to do with it [22:17]
pankkake waste of time :( [22:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.0008429 = 0.1686 BTC [+] [22:18]
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Duffer1 just reopening trading or are you going for another round of financing? [22:26]
Duffer1 have i asked that? [22:26]
Duffer1 ah ok [22:26]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+] [22:43]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.00302808 = 0.109 BTC [-] {3} [22:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13450 @ 0.0008684 = 11.68 BTC [+] {2} [22:44]
benkay man fuck a gym. just keep free weights at your house and fuckin' use 'em. [22:45]
TomServo Dangit. I got pulled away. [22:46]
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nubbins` benkay: i use the gym for the bikes in winter :) [22:47]
TomServo asciilifeform: I somehow mis-read seigniorage as sovereign, so derp on my part. But I see your point. [22:47]
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benkay nubbins`: are you a cardio guy? [22:49]
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chipug there's a parody keiser coin now?! [22:52]
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TomServo Not sure it's a parody. [22:52]
nubbins` benkay: i'm a bike guy :D [22:52]
nubbins` too treacherous outside to ride in the winter tho, even with studded tires [22:53]
benkay i love bikes [22:53]
benkay [22:54]
ozbot Fat Sand Fat Cruiser [22:54]
benkay ozbot is back! [22:54]
benkay .bait [22:54]
ozbot [22:54]
nubbins` i see a bike around town sometimes with wheels like that [22:55]
nubbins` [22:55]
ozbot Skinny Puppy Wants Compensation For Music Used in US Interrogations - Slashdot [22:55]
TomServo nubbins`: saw that, my sides. [22:56]
nubbins` ^ one of canada's greatest musical exports [22:56]
nubbins` five bucks says they used BRAP vols. 3/4 [22:56]
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nubbins` wow, ALL the comments so far are about the "new look" of /. [22:57]
nubbins` do they even internet? [22:57]
TomServo I know, it's crazy. [22:57]
TomServo Every story. [22:57]
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chipug this isn't a parody?! [23:02]
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nubbins` ahahahah [23:03]
nubbins` lel @ name [23:03]
benkay dudes does anyone know where the initial peers are stored in the litecoin codebase? [23:03]
TomServo chipug: Oh, hadn't seen that. I thought you meant Max's actual coin. [23:03]
chipug TomServo: no i think this just popped up today in response to maxcoin [23:04]
chipug max keiser's twitter page gives me a headache [23:04]
ThickAsThieves I swear it wasn't me! [23:04]
Duffer1 hehe [23:04]
chipug ThickAsThieves: ..... you suuuure?? [23:05]
chipug lol [23:05]
ThickAsThieves :) [23:05]
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Duffer1 even odds it's someone from this chan [23:06]
chipug i love the banana [23:06]
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chipug please put nipple tassles on him also!! [23:07]
asciilifeform from the circus: [23:09]
asciilifeform [23:09]
ThickAsThieves [16:06] sorry for the delay..... [23:09]
ThickAsThieves [16:07] anyway, the coin is gonna rebuild with a slightly different genesis block [23:09]
ThickAsThieves [16:07] the original download can be found at instead of [23:09]
ThickAsThieves [16:07] well, all you have to do is figure out the genesis block change [23:09]
ThickAsThieves [16:07] but, I dont have a way to readily do that [23:09]
ThickAsThieves [16:08] but the person that dumped the genblock can? [23:09]
ThickAsThieves [16:08] sure [23:09]
ThickAsThieves would be the landing link [23:10]
ThickAsThieves in case you still have any fight left in you pankakke ^ [23:10]
pankkake well, that won't really help me, as I only tried the genesis block change and other magic values, no renaming etc. before I was sure it worked [23:11]
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ThickAsThieves maybe it was something bad about the source you worked from? [23:14]
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chipug asciilifeform: what was that? [23:18]
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asciilifeform chipug: trial of u.s. sailor. described in [23:19]
chipug thanks [23:20]
Namworld It looks like Bitfinex just fixed the glitch and are back in business and everyone is happy or something. [23:20]
Namworld And that nothing was stolen =/ [23:20]
Namworld Okay... I was expecting them to have long gone under. [23:21]
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Duffer1 or run with the money [23:22]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 376 @ 0.0031 = 1.1656 BTC [+] {2} [23:23]
dexX7 there were coins stolen? [23:25]
Apocalyptic Namworld, they gonna slowly recover the stolen part with the fees and delay payouts if necessary imo [23:25]
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nubbins` making dinner, recipe calls for a lightly beaten egg [23:32]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 351 @ 0.00312699 = 1.0976 BTC [+] [23:32]
nubbins` so i announce "i like my women the way i like my eggs!!" [23:32]
nubbins` wife says "lightly beaten?!" [23:32]
nubbins` and i say "no, white" [23:32]
* nubbins` cackles [23:32]
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dub poached, scrambled and scotch? [23:43]
dub fertilised? [23:43]
TomServo mmm. scotch. [23:43]
TomServo There's a Laphroaig in my near future. [23:43]
nubbins` lovely [23:44]
nubbins` the trick with these "the way i like my women" jokes is to fool people into assuming the wrong thing [23:44]
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nubbins` i like my coffee the way i like my women! [23:46]
nubbins` "hot?" [23:46]
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nubbins` "nope. strong, black, and slightly bitter" [23:46]
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pankkake The company also reported a net loss of $645m [23:50]
ozbot BBC News - Shares in Twitter plummet after user growth slows [23:50]
ThickAsThieves just when i started using it! [23:51]
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dub its coz I stopped using twitter [23:53]
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  1. 500/813) - .1) - .4879146 [17:46] gribble 0.0270915500615 [17:46] mike_c whale sold the puts, so mpoe could excercise for a mpex profit today [17:47] * libbelol (~libbelol@ has joined #bitcoin-assets [17:49] * jimeh (~jimeh@2001:4800:7812:514:2afd:9ee2:ff04:dd6c) has joined #bitcoin-assets [17:51] assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 300 @ 0.04967205 = 14.9016 BTC [+] {12} [17:53] * Enky has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [18:02] assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14774 @ 0.00086697 = 12.8086 BTC [+] [18:02] * CheckDavid (~david@unaffiliated/checkdavid) has joined #bitcoin-assets [18:02] * Enky (~enky@ has joined #bitcoin-assets [18:04] assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 424 @ 0.00302 = 1.2805 BTC [+] [18:04] * davout (~davout@unaffiliated/davout) has left #bitcoin-assets ("kthxbye") [18:08] assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 21 @ 0.00480099 = 0.1008 BTC [+] [18:13] assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.0030469 = 0.9141 BTC [+] [18:14] * rbonestell (~rbonestel@unaffiliated/rbonestell) has joined #bitcoin-assets [18:17] * samson_ has quit () [18:20] assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1498 @ 0.00304689 = 4.5642 BTC [-] [18:22] * _64k ( has joined #bitcoin-assets [18:26] Duffer1 [18:27] ozbot New lawsuit against Bitcoin miner manufacturer alleges fraud, negligence | Ars Technica [18:27] Duffer1 it's about time [18:27] * _64k has quit (Client Quit) [18:28] assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.0030469 = 0.6094 BTC [+] [18:30] assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2645 @ 0.00307646 = 8.1372 BTC [+] {10} [18:31] * darkee (~darkee@gateway/tor-sasl/darkee) has joined #bitcoin-assets [18:32] assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2655 @ 0.00305301 = 8.1057 BTC [-] {5} [18:33] * Enky has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [18:34] * Enky (~enky@ has joined #bitcoin-assets [18:36] * Kushedout has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [18:37] pankkake "One of the world’s most mysterious Bitcoin-related companies" lol [18:37] * Kushedout ( has joined #bitcoin-assets [18:37] * Enky2 (~enky@ has joined #bitcoin-assets [18:39] * Enky has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [18:42] assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00487092 = 0.9742 BTC [+] {8} [18:44] * nubbins` ( has joined #bitcoin-assets [18:46] nubbins` hi [18:47] nubbins` so it seems the inturnet is really upset about apple pulling from the app store, hey? [18:47] * samson_ (~ukru@ has joined #bitcoin-assets [18:49] * dust-otc (~dust@unaffiliated/dust-otc) has joined #bitcoin-assets [18:50] assbot [HAVELOCK] [MS] 94 @ 0.005 = 0.47 BTC [18:52] ThickAsThieves indeed [18:52] * jborkl (~jborkl@2602:30a:2c51:e730:c441:1798:dd4c:71c3) has joined #bitcoin-assets [18:53] * jborkl has quit (Changing host) [18:53] * jborkl (~jborkl@unaffiliated/jborkl) has joined #bitcoin-assets [18:53] ThickAsThieves god forbid Apple has a good reason [18:53] pankkake I'm surprised it was allowed in the first place [18:54] nubbins` but, but, i disagree with their reason [18:54] nubbins` pankkake, the only reason it got in there in the first place was a sneak attack [18:54] kakobrekla how so? [18:55] pankkake introduce the app without X features, then introduce the features? [18:55] pankkake that never works with Apple [18:55] pankkake by the way, they don't even have to provide a reason for refusals : []
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