Forum logs for 02 Apr 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
mircea_popescu asciilifeform "I can verify that downgrading to Perl 5.16 works." uh ?! [00:02]
nubbins` asciilifeform haven't peeked at your latest mail yet, but applying the portatronic patch turns my uint32_t error into an int64_t error [00:05]
nubbins` but there's another error right before that, almost missed it. [00:05]
nubbins` http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=yG2UrE1k [00:05]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/19LMatO ) [00:05]
nubbins` bitcoinrpc.cpp:1761:30: error: expected primary-expression before ‘(’ token [00:05]
BingoBoingo Twitter was very sad today https://twitter.com/KenRoth/status/583117607777243136 [00:06]
assbot It turns out the photo of 4-year-old Syrian girl surrendering to a camera is real, not faked. http://t.co/7Vw3MoGWGN http://t.co/RsiQhJWDPS [00:06]
* BingoBoingo waits for Vatican to invade Damascus [00:07]
nubbins` rename it davatican [00:07]
mircea_popescu lmao [00:08]
nubbins` here all night. [00:09]
nubbins` but really though, the closest stable gcc version to mod6's 4.4.5 that portage still carries is 4.4.7 [00:09]
nubbins` i'm gonna give that a shit [00:09]
BingoBoingo Also here apparently is what BuzzDave is up to atm, would rewrite but drinking my drink before crisis budget hits tommorrow. http://www.coindesk.com/coinbase-seeks-details-us-bitcoin-mining/ [00:09]
assbot Coinbase Seeks 'Invasive' Details on US Bitcoin Mining Operations ... ( http://bit.ly/19LMOaF ) [00:09]
nubbins` tbh gentoo is the odd one out here, which is curious [00:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 148250 @ 0.00025289 = 37.4909 BTC [-] [00:10]
mircea_popescu http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1083563 << you don't understand : we already ARE stuck with this. want it or not. [00:10]
assbot Logged on 02-04-2015 02:21:46; asciilifeform: aha so now we have a local fork of openssl ? [00:10]
mircea_popescu since bitcoin pulled the code AS IT WAS and built a chain on it, the optionsare : [00:10]
mircea_popescu fork the chain or maintain the historical copy. [00:10]
mircea_popescu thjaty's it. [00:10]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo da force gotta know what to steal, right ? [00:10]
mircea_popescu usg doing a splendid job of getting the muppets do the "case da joint" work for free. [00:11]
decimation ^ french housewives enforced the various 'maximums' [00:12]
* BingoBoingo actually affected by MP's deed of the day. lacks assets for USG to steal [00:12]
BingoBoingo *minimally effected [00:13]
asciilifeform nubbins`: but applying the portatronic patch turns my uint32_t error into an int64_t error << apply the -other- patch. the one from 2hrs ago. [00:13]
mircea_popescu http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1083580 << it's a leonard cohenism. [00:13]
assbot Logged on 02-04-2015 02:24:41; asciilifeform: this is 'the hole through which the night walks in', to borrow a mircea_popescuism [00:13]
nubbins` yeah, just checking that now [00:13]
mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU-RuR-qO4Y [00:14]
assbot Leonard Cohen - Democracy - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1akZOFs ) [00:14]
mircea_popescu hm... check that out, actually it isn't. he has a "coming through a hole in the air", thing. and there's an excellent "the night comes on. it's very clam. i'd like to imagine my father was wrong..." very powerful verse somewhere else. [00:15]
mircea_popescu i guess i contributed the mix. dj mp. [00:15]
nubbins` heh [00:15]
asciilifeform Coinbase Seeks 'Invasive' Details on US Bitcoin Mining Operations << this is, to use the 'manosphere' term of art, a 'shit test' [00:15]
mircea_popescu ... but you don't wanna lie... not to the yo-oung... [00:15]
asciilifeform anyone who doesn't send them off to pound sand up arse - has bowed to usg [00:16]
nubbins` https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dkyiu3GZ8eQ [00:16]
assbot Leonard Cohen - Love Calls You By Your Name - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1al08E5 ) [00:16]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's probably useful in building the lists of who can be dekulakized willingly. [00:16]
BingoBoingo I dunno if anyone here other than hanbot will be familiar with BuzzDave's MO, building ASIC mining farm at any budget, whether feeds scamzors or not in the process irrelevant [00:17]
asciilifeform list of who doesn't even consider it dekulakization - merely owner coming 'back' to take what is 'his', that he merely let you store in safekeeping for a spell. [00:17]
asciilifeform if you built a miner, 'you didn't build that' [00:17]
mircea_popescu well... nothing is as strictly relevant to national security as a mining farm, factually speaking. [00:18]
mircea_popescu airjets can be made out of imported parts. and are. and they suck. and it doesn't matter. [00:18]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu has it [00:18]
asciilifeform this has more immediate implications than commandeering mere jet factory. [00:19]
* BingoBoingo knows of no circumstantial evidence that suggest USG proxy more than exists for BuzzDave. [00:19]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo we're talking more "coming years" than "situation atm" here. [00:19]
decimation parts of usg would gravely protest other parts of usg minting non-usd [00:19]
* BingoBoingo imagines in this instance lizards sacrificing CoinBase cred in swap to offer cred to Dave [00:19]
mircea_popescu ". The deal, according to a "solicitation" document, would be worth $2.1 million — to the U.S. taxpayer, at least." << how to get 20k ipads for 100 bucks each ? [00:20]
mircea_popescu decimation this is not going away. the usg's hunger for btc far exceeds its hunger for anything else COMBINED. [00:21]
decimation mircea_popescu: perhaps, but to fully realize it usg would have to publicly destroy the dollar bezzle [00:24]
mircea_popescu nope. [00:24]
mircea_popescu you act from this strange notion of perfect knowledge. [00:25]
decimation who is gonna want to be paid in dollars while the fed is hoarding bitcoin [00:25]
mircea_popescu everyone ? [00:25]
mircea_popescu i don't think you appreciate how stupid people are. [00:25]
mircea_popescu who wants to fuck with an ipad when there's a perfectly usable desktop ? [00:25]
decimation I suppose the same holds roughly true with gold [00:25]
mircea_popescu who wants "drm coffee machine" ? [00:25]
nubbins` EVERYONE [00:25]
nubbins` :D [00:25]
mircea_popescu who, pray tell me, eats the shit it eats that it just shat ? [00:25]
decimation but the sheer fact of usg's gold's possession 'made' it the reserve currency [00:26]
mircea_popescu nope. [00:26]
mircea_popescu the sheer fact of the b-a of the time made it. the usg follows in all dances. never yet lead, never will lead. [00:26]
mircea_popescu once those went away... well... [00:26]
mircea_popescu and as "we" have agreed bitcoin is what it is, well... [00:26]
decimation the 'headless beast' is hard to kill but easy to misguide [00:27]
mircea_popescu what are you going to kill lol, bilge water ? [00:29]
mircea_popescu "i am arthur son of uther pendragon, defeater of the molds, killer of the bilge water!" [00:29]
asciilifeform more like ants. [00:29]
nubbins` asciilifeform http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=xT8ezS6b [00:29]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1al2ymg ) [00:29]
asciilifeform who hasn't killed an ant colony [00:30]
mircea_popescu im off ! laters. [00:30]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65950 @ 0.0002513 = 16.5732 BTC [-] [04:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67443 @ 0.00025318 = 17.0752 BTC [+] [04:27]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker [04:38]
gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 245.89, Best ask: 245.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 245.78, 24 hour volume: 22946.51481821, 24 hour low: 239.21, 24 hour high: 248.71, 24 hour vwap: None [04:38]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 246950 @ 0.00024837 = 61.335 BTC [-] {4} [04:38]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2015/the-definitive-sovereign/ < updated, because i can't sleep now, because of this stroke of brilliance. [04:38]
assbot The definitive sovereign pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1I6L2Qg ) [04:38]
mircea_popescu really the similarities are many and varied. [04:39]
mircea_popescu http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1083737 < nsa. [04:42]
assbot Logged on 02-04-2015 03:26:39; decimation: asciilifeform: one wonders what the openssl authors use as a 'baseline os' [04:42]
mircea_popescu it's easy when you're on stupid team. [04:42]
mircea_popescu your shit doesn't have to actually work. [04:42]
mircea_popescu http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1083756 << yeah your hole was, to my grief, readily reproduced. [04:43]
assbot Logged on 02-04-2015 03:29:10; asciilifeform: ok so nubbins` has what i have. [04:43]
mircea_popescu once i was done screaming so people could ask questions. [04:43]
mircea_popescu http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1083766 << this option is not unlike proving you didn't fuck a goat by proving you impregnated it. [04:44]
assbot Logged on 02-04-2015 03:34:34; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu:fork the chain or maintain the historical copy. << third option: make new apparatus, prove idempotence. [04:44]
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mircea_popescu in that "proof of idempotence" has generally been orders of magnitude more successful at proving the proving party has no idea what proving means, [04:45]
mircea_popescu rather than the intended result. [04:45]
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mircea_popescu also speaking of " dns providers" : http://0pointer.de/lennart/projects/nss-mdns/ [04:46]
assbot nss-mdns 0.10 ... ( http://bit.ly/1I6LQos ) [04:46]
mircea_popescu "Please note that due to security reasons from this release on the minimal mDNS stack included in nss-mdns (dubbed "legacy") is no longer built by default. Thus, nss-mdns will not work unless Avahi is running!" [04:47]
mircea_popescu also https://www.openhub.net/accounts/mezcalero if anyone's actually that curious. [04:49]
assbot Lennart Poettering : Lennart Poettering - Open Hub ... ( http://bit.ly/1I6M6nd ) [04:49]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform dude how did you dig up the fialka thing. [04:54]
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[]bot Bet placed: 2.10372615 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $150 before July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1133/ Odds: 20(Y):80(N) by coin, 21(Y):79(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.08572615 BTC. Current weight: 95,148. [05:12]
[]bot Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) to drop under $35 before June " http://bitbet.us/bet/1129/ Odds: 10(Y):90(N) by coin, 12(Y):88(N) by weight. Total bet: 12.8656096 BTC. Current weight: 74,132. [05:17]
mircea_popescu http://www.cryptomuseum.com/crypto/fialka/psu/img/300125/019/full.jpg gotta love that crazy shit. [05:25]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GOkKAG ) [05:25]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform and speaking of it : http://www.cryptomuseum.com/crypto/fialka/psu/img/Tempest.png doesn't look like the exceptionally advanced thing the article promised. seems to me the solenoid-driven switching would create so much echo as to make it readily measurable. [05:32]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GOlIwW ) [05:32]
mircea_popescu i suppose "works according to what we know how to do" is the one standard of tradecraft. [05:32]
mircea_popescu http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1083796 << exactly. [05:33]
assbot Logged on 02-04-2015 03:51:47; asciilifeform: i can see this being given to unreliable warsaw pact nations to -amplify- their tempest emanations [05:33]
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BingoBoingo !up asteric [05:35]
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mircea_popescu http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1083827 i guess i should just read logs lol [05:35]
assbot Logged on 02-04-2015 04:00:21; asciilifeform: considering that solenoid is an inductive load, and resistor is - well - resistive. [05:35]
mircea_popescu why the fuck not put in there... some "carefully chosen" solenoids of the right fucking charge. [05:35]
mircea_popescu how hard is it to reproduce a coil of wire with... another coil of wire! [05:35]
* BingoBoingo did not expect axe time to offer this much lead to work the whetstone before sword time [05:36]
mircea_popescu http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1083849 << dude what the fuck is so very convenient about all the rotor bs i dunno. [05:37]
assbot Logged on 02-04-2015 04:09:37; asciilifeform: but 'omg11111111111111!1!!11!!11 not convenient!!' [05:38]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78350 @ 0.00024829 = 19.4535 BTC [-] [05:51]
mircea_popescu http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060558/ << hory sheit!! [06:00]
assbot Jesse James Meets Frankenstein's Daughter (1966) - IMDb ... ( http://bit.ly/1GOpu9w ) [06:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 233444 @ 0.00024885 = 58.0925 BTC [+] {2} [06:00]
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mircea_popescu "To view a downloaded movie, you double-click it. And then you're watching it. Stick a recent commercial DVD into your player, though, and you'll probably have to sit through lengthy, un-skippable warnings about how dastardly is the piracy in which you did not just engage." [06:10]
mircea_popescu "if kids continue to not show up for class, the class will continue to get detention!" [06:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127646 @ 0.00025424 = 32.4527 BTC [+] {2} [06:23]
mircea_popescu http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1083930 << this seems exceedingly likely, especially with stuff like the "oh open source is more secure because million eyes" million examples fresh in memory. [06:23]
assbot Logged on 02-04-2015 04:44:24; asciilifeform: they could be put on the tree today and would stay unpicked. [06:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50198 @ 0.00025644 = 12.8728 BTC [+] [06:24]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo you not getting enough fluid ? :D [06:24]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 204700 @ 0.00024694 = 50.5486 BTC [-] {2} [06:36]
[]bot Bet placed: 6.10372615 BTC for No on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) to drop under $35 before June " http://bitbet.us/bet/1129/ Odds: 7(Y):93(N) by coin, 8(Y):92(N) by weight. Total bet: 18.96933575 BTC. Current weight: 74,045. [06:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47665 @ 0.00025118 = 11.9725 BTC [+] [06:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 180450 @ 0.00024481 = 44.176 BTC [-] {2} [07:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 189800 @ 0.00024445 = 46.3966 BTC [-] {2} [07:15]
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mircea_popescu good mornin'! [15:19]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 439400 @ 0.00025376 = 111.5021 BTC [+] {2} [15:25]
ben_vulpes ein popescu! [15:31]
mircea_popescu ja! [15:31]
asciilifeform l0l [15:33]
ben_vulpes dude these logs are dense [15:36]
mircea_popescu heh. as in stupid ? [15:37]
ben_vulpes it's not the number of lines but the maaaadness described herein [15:37]
jurov BingoBoingo: interested in "Weekly #b-a"? i need at least someting useful to come out of this [15:37]
mircea_popescu ahahaha wut! [15:37]
mircea_popescu jurov yes actually, summaries have been sought and hoped and desired for year+ [15:37]
ben_vulpes every 2 lines i have to hare off to the internet - "buildroot" "qemu" [15:37]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes that's only because you're a young fox. [15:37]
asciilifeform there breatheth a man who has not heard of 'qemu' ? [15:38]
ben_vulpes up yrs, asciilifeform [15:38]
jurov ^ [15:38]
mircea_popescu apparently. EVEN I!!!! had actually seen the thing used. [15:38]
mircea_popescu and honestly, i should be the king noob here. [15:38]
ben_vulpes naw, you're too old to be a noob anymore. [15:38]
mircea_popescu but i never put any serious effort into electrical engineering! [15:38]
mircea_popescu point in case : that's how you say "computing" imh. [15:39]
jurov s.qntr arrived [15:39]
mircea_popescu jurov just sent it yeah. was about to notify you [15:39]
jurov who wants to get'em first? [15:39]
mircea_popescu but then I GOT CAUGHT IN A BA CONVO [15:39]
ben_vulpes "imh" << in my house? [15:39]
mircea_popescu head [15:39]
ben_vulpes ah [15:39]
jurov lol [15:39]
mircea_popescu i was going to, but then i got caught in conversation! [15:39]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu> but i never put any serious effort into electrical engineering! << said the chap with his own bitcoind running on soviet trinary comp [15:39]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform you will notice it is not my effort tho. [15:39]
mircea_popescu i have put plenty of ope, as you may well be aware of from unrelatedlandia. [15:40]
asciilifeform haha aha. [15:40]
asciilifeform s.qntr arrived << my broadcast also coming soonish [15:40]
* asciilifeform presently lightly occupied with a couplea unrelated things [15:40]
mircea_popescu we should start our own cockney. coupla unrelated things = fleas. [15:41]
asciilifeform 'flee,' said the fly; 'fly,' said the flea... [15:41]
bitstein mircea_popescu, mod6: The deed link at the bottom of http://thebitcoin.foundation/declaration.txt redirects to a weird domain registration site. [15:42]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gkw3A7 ) [15:42]
mircea_popescu ugh [15:42]
ben_vulpes linkrot! [15:42]
mircea_popescu hot damn... [15:42]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla any idea why http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/ redirects to unregistry.com ? [15:43]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GkweLY ) [15:43]
trinque perfect time for me to point out that current incarnation needs friendly hosting [15:43]
mircea_popescu oh wait it is not kako's fault [15:43]
mircea_popescu TRINQUE [15:43]
trinque is not [15:43]
trinque I don't run whatever URL that is [15:43]
mircea_popescu a) put the fucking history in and b) fix your 404 scheme [15:43]
trinque that's not hitting the current one, wherever it's going [15:43]
mircea_popescu what happens is that http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/deed/9ULZPc7yeZ9fQEA1aZ73H6mcv1s2C4gYFAbNTb5urovj gets -> to deedbot.org/ deed/9ULZPc7yeZ9fQEA1aZ73H6mcv1s2C4gYFAbNTb5urovj [15:43]
mircea_popescu which... [15:44]
assbot Domain Names - New gTLDs | Uniregistry ... ( http://bit.ly/1GkwmLc ) [15:44]
bitstein mircea_popescu: http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/ redirects to http://deedbot.org/ for me. It's that specific deed link that is redirecting to unregistry.com [15:44]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/19NfCjn ) [15:44]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/19NfCzN ) [15:44]
mircea_popescu right. [15:44]
trinque http://deedbot.org/deed/9ULZPc7yeZ9fQEA1aZ73H6mcv1s2C4gYFAbNTb5urovj << normal aws 404 [15:44]
assbot 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/19NfJv7 ) [15:44]
trinque and I don't know what that registry is [15:44]
trinque never heard of her [15:44]
mircea_popescu weirdness. [15:44]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 188050 @ 0.00025508 = 47.9678 BTC [+] {3} [15:45]
mircea_popescu > Host: deeds.bitcoin-assets.com [15:45]
mircea_popescu > Accept: */* [15:45]
mircea_popescu > [15:45]
mircea_popescu < HTTP/1.1 302 Found [15:45]
mircea_popescu < Server: nginx/1.2.1 [15:45]
mircea_popescu eyah ok. [15:45]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72500 @ 0.00025193 = 18.2649 BTC [-] [15:59]
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mircea_popescu perfect time for me to point out that current incarnation needs friendly hosting << fucking hell someone start that hoster already. [16:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 169700 @ 0.00024797 = 42.0805 BTC [-] {2} [16:31]
jurov trinque what specs? [16:34]
trinque minimal [16:34]
asciilifeform if we do the emulatron thing, it will -definitely- need hosting [16:34]
mircea_popescu you need what, python for the bot ? [16:34]
trinque python and go [16:34]
asciilifeform i'd rather not put a multigig turd on my puny hostatron [16:34]
trinque and some space for the blockchain [16:34]
mircea_popescu some space aka 50gb [16:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000000 @ 0.000257 = 257 BTC [+] {8} [16:35]
jurov interesting, what it needs blockchain for? [16:35]
trinque has its own node [16:36]
asciilifeform naturally deedbot has node [16:36]
asciilifeform how else. [16:36]
nubbins` <+punkman> " balaclava-clad goon attempts to burn a fire-resistant EU flag" <<< protip: spray paint the corner of the thing before lighting [16:36]
jurov i see [16:37]
mircea_popescu pretty much means server for it can't have ssd. [16:37]
mircea_popescu nubbins` or squirt 190 proof alcohol on it [16:37]
asciilifeform ssd isn't -really- 'disposable' [16:37]
jurov so, we can bootstrap on aws and move to iron later [16:37]
asciilifeform lasts about as long as the shitty mechanical disks sold in past 5 yrs [16:37]
asciilifeform neither is worth anything except in heterogeneous tandem. [16:38]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform just meant for size. server ssd 100gb is expensive as shit [16:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1245983 @ 0.00026371 = 328.5782 BTC [+] {8} [16:38]
jurov trinque any specific distro? [16:38]
mircea_popescu jurov i think he is on aws already [16:38]
trinque currently gentoo which is my preference [16:39]
nubbins` mircea_popescu i'd say that man drinks the 190 proof [16:39]
nubbins` prob drinks the paint too, i mean, that 'clava doesn't even fit him! it's like 3x too big! [16:39]
mircea_popescu wait he's dressed in a pastry ? [16:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 168200 @ 0.00026831 = 45.1297 BTC [+] {2} [16:40]
nubbins` heh [16:40]
nubbins` "the man donned his baclava" [16:40]
nubbins` oh hey, 10 minutes left in this auction: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=975256.msg10963734#msg10963734 [16:40]
asciilifeform unrelated: [16:40]
assbot Casascius 0.5 BTC Silver Series-2 physical bitcoin: NO RESERVE, 30-DAY AUCTION ... ( http://bit.ly/1BV27pl ) [16:40]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://thesemenette.com/home.html [16:41]
assbot The Semenette® : : : Even Better than the Real Thing ... ( http://bit.ly/1BV29xp ) [16:41]
nubbins` if you wanna see people be loose with money, that's the place to go [16:41]
asciilifeform (don't ask how found this, l0l) [16:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 585817 @ 0.00027037 = 158.3873 BTC [+] {5} [16:41]
jurov trinque are you interested in running it on pogoplug? [16:42]
trinque jurov: the bot part I think I will [16:43]
trinque mircea_popescu: what do you think about the deeds being added to the wiki? [16:43]
trinque jurov: I have a pogo here [16:43]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1BV33df ) [16:44]
mircea_popescu trinque added to the wiki how ? [16:44]
mircea_popescu which one ? [16:44]
nubbins` hanbot try "deedbot- http://blah" [16:46]
nubbins` and also: [16:46]
nubbins` !up deedbot- [16:46]
* assbot gives voice to deedbot- [16:46]
hanbot deedbot- http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=CmWcr0iw [16:46]
deedbot- rejected: 1 [16:46]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1BV3xjC ) [16:46]
nubbins` man you guise. /nick nubbot [16:46]
hanbot lol [16:46]
nubbins` maybe deedbot should be auto-voiced by assbot? dem silent fails [16:47]
trinque that'd be quicker than waiting for me to give it fancy auth-to-assbot code [16:47]
nubbins` !gettrust assbot deedbot- [16:48]
assbot deedbot- is not registered in WoT. [16:48]
nubbins` well [16:49]
jurov anyone interested in hosted pogoplugs w/2 terabyte hdds? or 2x100G ssd? [16:49]
* nubbins` has 3 pogoplugs and 2 more in the mail [16:50]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: didn't you predict that someone would manufacture automatic impregnatrons ? i distinctly recall an essay concerning such [16:50]
nubbins` i'm gonna need babysitting, not hosting ;D [16:50]
trinque hanbot: it does not know your public key, which is added in the same fashion [16:50]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform aha. [16:50]
nubbins` man i'm outta touch w/ this new deedbot [16:50]
nubbins` i gotta pastebin my public key? [16:50]
mircea_popescu the lulzy part is that they try to make it sound feminine :D [16:50]
mircea_popescu "The Semenette® is unique because it offers the ability to replace the embedded plastic tubing with each use, eliminating sanitary concerns about mixing liquids you choose to put into the tube." [16:51]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you not getting enough fluid ? :D << I survived log catch up time [16:51]
mircea_popescu somebody had equal-opportunity thermodynamics class. [16:51]
asciilifeform also i predicted a very different machine, that would include the chinese donor 'milking' box in the next room [16:51]
asciilifeform in real time [16:51]
mircea_popescu mp [16:52]
mircea_popescu mp's rule of the junkworld : no machine may be roomsized. [16:52]
asciilifeform not room sized in its crate! [16:52]
mircea_popescu if orc can't carry it, it already has problems. [16:52]
asciilifeform but set up with a wall, or else what is the point [16:52]
mircea_popescu free the crates11! [16:52]
asciilifeform (what the actual point is, is probably only comprehensible to u.s. pheminist types) [16:52]
mircea_popescu i don't think you exactly understand how envy that wears a coat and hides in the hallways works. [16:53]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it could be packaged in a large suitcase, containing a reel of hose. [16:53]
mircea_popescu imagine there was a breed of marginally intelligent rabid dogs, and they attacked cars [16:53]
mircea_popescu because... can't carry one. [16:53]
nubbins` ahaha man this is great. [16:54]
nubbins` people putting bids in with 60 seconds left [16:54]
mircea_popescu this is kind-of what online action has come to mean i thought. [16:54]
nubbins` i'm gonna pretend that wasn't a typo [16:54]
nubbins` because this truly is action [16:54]
nubbins` anyway, late bids extend the end time by 15 minutes [16:55]
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nubbins` so it's just people being silly [16:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113700 @ 0.00027094 = 30.8059 BTC [+] {2} [16:55]
hanbot deedbot- http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=yRW6nuuQ [16:55]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GkHOqc ) [16:55]
deedbot- imported: EA0FAD90985B3025576A5061454B0FC0BC07B87E [16:55]
mircea_popescu lol [16:56]
hanbot deedbot- http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=CmWcr0iw [16:56]
deedbot- accepted: 1 [16:56]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1BV3xjC ) [16:56]
hanbot ty trinque, nubbins :) [16:56]
trinque np [16:56]
asciilifeform envy that wears a coat and hides in the hallways works << also wai wat [16:57]
asciilifeform what kind of coat does envy wear ? [16:57]
mircea_popescu allow me to show you. [16:58]
mircea_popescu http://www.demotivation.us/media/demotivators/demotivation.us__ENVY-It-Wears-a-Coat-and-Hides-in-Hallways-1.jpg [16:58]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1BV6yAs ) [16:58]
asciilifeform l0l [16:59]
asciilifeform what even is that [16:59]
asciilifeform can't tell if fatchick or hippie guy [16:59]
mircea_popescu that is the socialist of tomorrow. [16:59]
mircea_popescu neither can anyone else tell if fatchick or metrosexual. [16:59]
mircea_popescu but there clearly must be some regulation about all this unsanctioned mirror picture taking by self [17:00]
asciilifeform what's this to do with impregnatron, though [17:01]
asciilifeform (or perhaps i can guess what) [17:01]
mircea_popescu there's a reason you can't have a roomsized machine. [17:01]
mircea_popescu same reason people attacked big iron and lab cages. [17:02]
mircea_popescu which people ? these people. [17:02]
asciilifeform only posited 'room' to allow for the lesbianz to avoid seeing the spooge-supplier [17:02]
mircea_popescu there's a reason stuff must be ipad even if crapple does not work : orc wants things it can carry [17:02]
asciilifeform i'm engineer not psychiatrist. [17:02]
mircea_popescu there's no such thing as an engineer that's not a psychiatrist. [17:02]
asciilifeform point [17:02]
mircea_popescu THIS is what psychiatry actually is [17:02]
nubbins` mega point [17:02]
mircea_popescu what ballas does is more akin to theatrics. [17:02]
asciilifeform 'build me a harness for efficiently tossing nun from helicopter.' -- 'what size nun?' -- 'a number-five.' [17:03]
mircea_popescu lol wut ?! [17:03]
asciilifeform ^ example [17:03]
mircea_popescu now i'm lost lol. explain in simple words ? [17:03]
asciilifeform 'mine is not to question why, mine is but to do and die' [17:04]
mircea_popescu oh lol [17:04]
asciilifeform assumed that apparatus for delivering fresh spoodge into a lesbian is necessary [17:04]
asciilifeform proceeded from there. [17:04]
mircea_popescu you can't proceed. "this harness is no good" "Why not ?" "it's yellow. duh." [17:04]
mircea_popescu ever ran into this ? [17:05]
asciilifeform every time. [17:05]
mircea_popescu so then stop pretending and learn psychiatry :D [17:05]
* asciilifeform learns. [17:05]
* mircea_popescu points out that his entire life he's been a transaltor, and perhaps the most successful/best paid/dearliest loved translator ever. started off translating the law to a bunch of burly dudes, then later translated romania to foreigners, then later translated psychiatry to engineers [17:06]
mircea_popescu today translating bitcoin to everyone. [17:06]
nubbins` lo siento pero no entiendo [17:06]
nubbins` i mean uh [17:07]
mircea_popescu you know thats funny ? [17:07]
nubbins` no speako spanisho [17:07]
BingoBoingo jurov: BingoBoingo: interested in "Weekly #b-a"? i need at least someting useful to come out of this << I see no reason why not [17:07]
asciilifeform today translating bitcoin to everyone. << the book. it must be printed! [17:07]
mircea_popescu cause lo siento means sorry, but it also means i hear you in a very unspanish ethymological approach [17:07]
mircea_popescu nubbins` call it castejan, suddenly you're refined. [17:08]
nubbins` unless you replace the two L's with a J [17:08]
asciilifeform 'castejan' is castellano with mouth full ? [17:08]
nubbins` if i wanted to be refined, i'd decompose under pressure into hydrocarbons! [17:08]
mircea_popescu that's the fuck they do here. [17:08]
nubbins` parts of colombia do this too [17:08]
mircea_popescu they read ll like it were ascii. [17:08]
nubbins` medejin [17:09]
asciilifeform 'The one L lama, he's a priest The two L llama, he's a beast ...' [17:09]
nubbins` tried alpaca meat, never tried llama [17:09]
mircea_popescu me either. [17:10]
nubbins` while i'll advance that it was "good", peruvian standard is to beat any steak with a maul before grilling [17:10]
nubbins` so i can't really say if it's actually as tender as it seemed [17:11]
asciilifeform and what of guinea pig meat ? [17:11]
nubbins` cuy? never tried. [17:11]
asciilifeform it was always no. 1 in my 'travel to south americas' mental list [17:11]
nubbins` was told it's too much work for the amount of meat [17:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.QNTR] 6415 @ 0.00037719 = 2.4197 BTC [+] [17:11]
mircea_popescu i dunno anyone offering either of these o.O [17:12]
nubbins` both popular in peru [17:12]
asciilifeform iirc in peru [17:12]
asciilifeform aha [17:12]
nubbins` viva el peru glorioso! [17:12]
hanbot i dunno anyone offering either of these o.O << my butcher sells llamaburgers [17:13]
mircea_popescu nuts. [17:14]
mircea_popescu are they any good ? [17:14]
hanbot i'm not as curious [17:14]
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nubbins` anything burger-ified is generally edible [17:14]
* nubbins` has admittedly made "lamburger helper" more than once :( [17:15]
mircea_popescu hanbot no cuy ? [17:15]
trinque nubbins`: sounds... delicious [17:15]
nubbins` trinque lamb is ++ [17:15]
trinque yeah, I tend to encounter it via greek food [17:15]
mircea_popescu lamb yes. [17:15]
trinque love it [17:15]
mircea_popescu i mostly eat indian food lamb. [17:15]
nubbins` i should make donairs ("doner kebab" for you non-eastern-canadians) with actual lamb soon [17:16]
nubbins` beef's good, but i mean [17:16]
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nubbins` saw this on a wall in a "love park" in lima, stays with me: http://imgur.com/2smAiq6 [17:19]
assbot Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1BVbVQf ) [17:19]
asciilifeform do any of you lot have an x86 or x86_64 bitcoind built -with debug symbols still- in ? [17:19]
asciilifeform i'd like one for a quick experiment. [17:19]
asciilifeform ideally dynamic build [17:20]
nubbins` not i [17:20]
nubbins` er hm [17:20]
nubbins` i don't think i have debug symbols built in. easy way to check? [17:21]
asciilifeform nm found one [17:21]
nubbins` young nubs in the amazon: http://imgur.com/gl4vfmS [17:22]
assbot Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1BVcKs3 ) [17:22]
nubbins` oh man, that was the year i burned my hand! you can see the scar [17:23]
* nubbins` reminisces [17:23]
asciilifeform let's rephrase [17:24]
asciilifeform does anyone have an output of the latest release build [17:24]
asciilifeform but with -dynamic- [17:24]
asciilifeform ... or not. [17:26]
* nubbins` is running latest release build, but assuming static [17:28]
trinque asciilifeform: I am building one on amd64 gentoo for ya [17:29]
hanbot mircea_popescu hello sir! no cuy at all i tell you! [17:29]
mircea_popescu lmao [17:29]
mircea_popescu nubbins` well... "static". [17:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114900 @ 0.00027158 = 31.2045 BTC [+] {2} [17:30]
mircea_popescu e-static it should be called. [17:30]
nubbins` yeah [17:30]
nubbins` staticky [17:30]
nubbins` https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=975256.msg10963987#msg10963987 <<< the winning bid [17:31]
assbot Casascius 0.5 BTC Silver Series-2 physical bitcoin: NO RESERVE, 30-DAY AUCTION ... ( http://bit.ly/1BVfHJn ) [17:31]
nubbins` meat for dinner tonight [17:31]
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asciilifeform holy everliving phuck, is auditing a cpp-built bin a pain. [17:33]
mats found yerself a greater fool eh [17:33]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu said that pets can be trained to do anything - make them do this. [17:33]
mircea_popescu you know asciilifeform, i don't hate them. i love them. [17:34]
asciilifeform then train'em to do it with love. [17:34]
mircea_popescu lol [17:34]
asciilifeform anyway, for the record, my experiment concerned the question of how to create a mapping between a source tree and sections of resulting bin [17:35]
nubbins` http://imgur.com/jCUBrdF <<< man i got really skinny after two weeks of diarrhoea [17:35]
assbot Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1BVgNES ) [17:35]
asciilifeform graph-colouring problem. [17:35]
nubbins` asciilifeform five colours should be enough for everyone 8) [17:36]
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nubbins` also, you brit-spell?! [17:36]
asciilifeform wat [17:36]
trinque he's referring to your dirty communist spelling of "color" [17:37]
nubbins` quick: what's the word for the people who live in the houses around you [17:37]
nubbins` don't think, just type [17:37]
asciilifeform l0l [17:37]
asciilifeform i dun spell, me fingerz spell [17:37]
asciilifeform nubbins`: schmucks? [17:37]
nubbins` bahaha [17:37]
nubbins` smarty [17:38]
nubbins` neigh*r [17:38]
asciilifeform Ah [17:38]
* nubbins` genuinely curious [17:38]
asciilifeform ou [17:38]
* nubbins` applauds softly [17:38]
nubbins` wd [17:38]
asciilifeform i mean, if we're gonna zap vowels why not let'em all go [17:38]
asciilifeform like the semitic langs [17:38]
asciilifeform nghbrs [17:39]
mircea_popescu neighbour. [17:39]
mats http://www.ics.uci.edu/~perl/ndss15_opaque_cfi.pdf [17:39]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1P3qlH3 ) [17:39]
nubbins` asciilifeform then a couple thou years from now you've got people taking guesses as to the True Name of mrc ppsc [17:40]
nubbins` YMMV, YHWH [17:40]
asciilifeform mats: is it just me or do 'aslr' and related items give a feeling of 'plugging the wrong end of the funnel' ? [17:40]
mats well, yes. [17:40]
asciilifeform mats: as in, 'why is the enemy supplying instructions for your cpu to execute in the first place' [17:40]
asciilifeform aslr is sorta like building a labyrinth in your house to slow burglars [17:41]
asciilifeform between rooms [17:41]
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mats fun fact: i played starcraft with the guy that patented ASLR. [17:42]
asciilifeform mats: how about the guy who patented the stone axe ? [17:42]
mats he also went on to write the Control Flow Guard code. [17:42]
nubbins` heh [17:42]
nubbins` iirc there's an hg wells story about the guy who invented the stone axe. [17:42]
nubbins` not a bad read [17:43]
asciilifeform it boggles my mind that aslr could be patented [17:43]
asciilifeform what year filed ? [17:43]
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mircea_popescu anything can bve patented [17:43]
mircea_popescu and as peole stupidify, more and more tyhings will be. [17:43]
mats 2006 iirc [17:43]
trinque there's a patent on having a database of products and modifiers which dates to 2000s sometime [17:43]
mircea_popescu stuff that was ridiculous to patent in 1850, such as "how to make bread" definitely meets the bar today. [17:43]
asciilifeform mr mold, of all people, has watertight prior art from, iirc, '94 [17:43]
asciilifeform it was his one and only academic paper. [17:44]
mats http://www.google.com/patents/US7831791 [17:44]
trinque the twist was "synchronizing the data between multiple terminals [17:44]
nubbins` http://www.gutenberg.org/files/27365/27365-h/27365-h.htm#Page_59 [17:44]
assbot Patent US7831791 - Method of address space layout randomization for windows operating systems - Google Patents ... ( http://bit.ly/1BViSki ) [17:44]
assbot The Project Gutenberg eBook of Tales of Space and Time, by H. G. Wells [17:44]
nubbins` if anyone's interested [17:44]
asciilifeform l0l mentions winblows by name [17:44]
asciilifeform at uspto these are called 'wall hanger patents' [17:44]
asciilifeform as in, the only thing they are good for is office decoration [17:44]
trinque sure that and dragging every entity smaller than a billion plus in revenue into court to die by starvation [17:45]
asciilifeform trinque: you need at least a basic troll-grade patent for that [17:45]
asciilifeform not any old schizo rant will suffice [17:45]
asciilifeform contrary to popular belief [17:45]
trinque til there's an even lower tier of "valid" patents [17:45]
trinque I've seen insane, *insane* cases in the hospitality software space [17:46]
asciilifeform 'designpatent' ? [17:46]
trinque prior art from the dawn of computing type patents [17:46]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it occurs to me that if you spend some time now designing and patenting gasenwagens [17:46]
mircea_popescu you may end up controlling that space [17:46]
asciilifeform prior art, if can be authenticated, invalidates patent. retroactively. [17:47]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: except that usg owns the patents (war trophies!) [17:47]
nubbins` heee [17:47]
trinque asciilifeform: jury of "peers" [17:47]
trinque this prior art thing if it actually worked would burn like a grease fire through 99.9% of software patents [17:48]
asciilifeform 100% [17:48]
trinque the standards for "novel" seem trivial [17:48]
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asciilifeform anyway patents are a passenger on the burning atomic dirigible of usg [17:48]
asciilifeform all of'em. [17:48]
mircea_popescu not all of them. [17:49]
mircea_popescu seeing how you called whatever phrase a mpism [17:50]
asciilifeform unless a patent is so poorly constructed as to be thrown out immediately, any patent litigation in usaworld is a contest of bank accounts. [17:50]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i didn't say 'authorships' but -patents- as we know'em. [17:50]
asciilifeform as in the weirdo crown monopolies. [17:50]
mircea_popescu well that. [17:50]
asciilifeform incidentally, did anyone read the 'buffoon's tale' link ? [17:52]
asciilifeform perfect allegory for usg. [17:52]
asciilifeform and its works. [17:52]
trinque asciilifeform: current release busts for me on uint32_t as well [17:54]
asciilifeform trinque: patched? and if so, how ? [17:54]
trinque have not made any attempt to fix it yet; have to attend to something else first [17:54]
asciilifeform trinque: post barf plz. [17:55]
trinque k [17:55]
asciilifeform along with os/gcc/etc [17:55]
mats ;;seen FabianB [17:56]
gribble FabianB was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 17 weeks, 6 days, 4 hours, 35 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: not down but very slow it seems [17:56]
mircea_popescu scoopbot fetch [17:56]
mircea_popescu scoopbot -fetch [17:56]
trinque asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/01HWQYM.txt [17:56]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1BVmpz3 ) [17:56]
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trinque asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/1V47S94.txt [17:57]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1BVmylR ) [17:57]
asciilifeform trinque: aha, precisely what happens to the published (without weirdo patches) release on my boxes. [17:57]
asciilifeform nubbins` et al ^^^^^^ [17:58]
trinque asciilifeform: do you use a hardened toolchain? [17:58]
asciilifeform hardened how ? [17:58]
trinque gentoo hardened profile [17:58]
asciilifeform nope [17:59]
trinque dunno why that would magically poof in a header defining that type [17:59]
asciilifeform wait, did it ?! [17:59]
trinque no, saying I don't know why that would be relevant [17:59]
asciilifeform because your dump is quite the same as mine [17:59]
trinque mine is busted as yours [18:00]
asciilifeform incidentally, i don't like 'selinux' [18:00]
trinque wondering what's different about the debian [18:00]
trinque asciilifeform: yeah I don't use it [18:00]
mats do you like grsec? [18:00]
asciilifeform i invoke mircea_popescu's maxim that 'if there is anything good in it, it will have to be reinvented naively' [18:00]
trinque hardened here just means having things like stack protection turned on [18:01]
mats and why don't you like sel [18:01]
mats selinux [18:01]
asciilifeform mats: guess. [18:01]
trinque in my case it seems like a vast, complex surface to deal with [18:01]
trinque seems also that within that complexity you could hide nefarious things [18:01]
mats i know why i don't like selinux, but i have a feeling we don't intersect [18:02]
mats lemme guess: NSA? [18:02]
asciilifeform aha. [18:02]
asciilifeform but not merely the fact of. [18:02]
mircea_popescu http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084056 << why would fb care ?! [18:03]
assbot Logged on 02-04-2015 13:34:48; lobbes: I posted obamaz magic decree to my facebook. Quite expectedly, no one cares. [18:03]
asciilifeform mats: grsec >> but the sheer nonsensicalness of pretending that kernel can limit what kernel can do. consider this claim: 'Through PaX's UDEREF and KERNEXEC features, grsecurity forces any userland data access to go through an approved accessor and rejects any attempt to execute userland code in kernel context.' [18:03]
trinque nobody I know cares [18:03]
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trinque cept those here and a handful of clever meatspace guys [18:03]
asciilifeform mats: i can trivially make mincemeat of this by issuing raw dma cycles. [18:03]
asciilifeform mats: selinux and similar are exemplary of usg approach to 'seek00r1ty' - add layers of 'granular' bureaucracy to the os [18:04]
asciilifeform as if this did something tangible beyond making it even -less- fit-in-head. [18:05]
asciilifeform and even further discouraging genuine audit, as if this were possible or even necessary [18:05]
mats i dunno about that second part, but in general i agree with you [18:05]
asciilifeform it isn't just 'voodoo taint' from nsa. [18:06]
* asciilifeform doesn't practice voodoo [18:06]
trinque this seems to be why openbsd just has chroot, bsd has fancy jails or whatever, and now linux has Containerz (TM) [18:07]
trinque just make fucking chroot work [18:07]
trinque that and a working firewall [18:07]
asciilifeform but overall, folks who unrepentantly spout nonsense about one thing, damage their credibility re: other things. [18:07]
mircea_popescu you can't make chroot work [18:07]
asciilifeform ^ [18:07]
trinque whysat [18:07]
mircea_popescu that's the dirty secret behind 20 years of "linux" [18:08]
trinque oh on linux [18:08]
mircea_popescu because, conceptually, it is nonsense. [18:08]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: actually it is the dirty secret behind 40 yrs of unix [18:08]
mircea_popescu there's a deep reason permissions don't fucking work [18:08]
asciilifeform but yes. [18:08]
mircea_popescu that reason is that intelligent people do not wish to spend their time working on idiocy [18:08]
mircea_popescu and they do wish to tell themselves that they can ever work on "something else" [18:08]
mircea_popescu because hey, engineers not psychiatrists, right ? [18:08]
asciilifeform unix perms are the proverbial 'pissing-section in swimming pool' [18:09]
trinque lol, I understand [18:09]
trinque makes sense. [18:09]
mircea_popescu that's what the jwz dood quite typically told me : that he "doesn't care about whatever political bone i have toi pick" [18:09]
asciilifeform for those who don't follow the antics of lunatics: usg is -obsessed- with domain segregation [18:10]
mircea_popescu as if that's what happened, i was sitting on an exercise ball one day and spontaneously decided hey, let me make a political party and pick bones! [18:10]
asciilifeform to the point of commissioning $maxint cpu archs that pretend to do it [18:10]
trinque ah that makes it very clear. [18:10]
asciilifeform ^ to a muppet, any deviation from his muppetology is a schizo paroxysm of irrational [18:10]
trinque "pretend to do it" << is exactly the useful thing there [18:11]
asciilifeform to jwz et al, google simply 'is' - like the sun. [18:11]
mircea_popescu right. [18:11]
asciilifeform to briefly return to thread, it is not a -total- waste of time to learn what usg imagines 'security' - for its private uses - means. [18:12]
asciilifeform even if from purely psychiatric view [18:12]
asciilifeform !s what colour are your bits [18:13]
assbot 0 results for 'what colour are your bits' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=what+colour+are+your+bits [18:13]
asciilifeform http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/entry/23 [18:13]
assbot What Colour are your bits? - Ansuz - mskala's home page [18:13]
asciilifeform ^ that [18:13]
asciilifeform and we -did- it here [18:13]
asciilifeform 'In Paranoia, everything has a colour-coded security level (from Infrared up to Ultraviolet) and everybody has a clearance on the same scale. You are not allowed to touch, or have any dealings with, anything that exceeds your clearance. If you're a Red Troubleshooter, you're not allowed to walk through an Orange door. Formally, you're not really supposed to even know about the existence of anything above your clearance. An [18:13]
asciilifeform yone who breaks the rules is a Commie Mutant Traitor, subject to the death penalty. Much of the game revolves around the consequences of the security levels. For instance, Friend Computer might assign a team of Red Troubleshooters to re-paint a hallway that ought to be Orange but was painted Yellow by mistake the Commie Mutant Traitors. It's quite likely in such a case that the Troubleshooters will all end up shooting each o [18:13]
asciilifeform ther for treason against Friend Computer, since none of them are allowed to touch the paint, go near the hallway, or talk about their mission, and they're all charged with enforcing the rules on one another.' [18:13]
asciilifeform ^ for the record. [18:13]
mircea_popescu lol notbad. what is this ? [18:14]
asciilifeform the colour essay [18:14]
asciilifeform !s monolith [18:14]
assbot 9 results for 'monolith' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=monolith [18:14]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu even wrote an essay on the subject. [18:14]
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mircea_popescu lol first time this decade ? [18:17]
cazalla http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084247 <<< to be fair, you didn't try until 4-5 hours ago [18:17]
assbot Logged on 02-04-2015 15:59:59; thestringpuller: haven't been able to contact cazalla [18:17]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Apparently he set the record [18:18]
mircea_popescu nice lordosis on the chick... that babe knows how to party. [18:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46800 @ 0.0002719 = 12.7249 BTC [+] [18:21]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-10-2014#883664 [18:21]
assbot Logged on 19-10-2014 18:32:52; asciilifeform: engineers, who (as shown by the 'monolith' gedankenexperiment, search logs) often do not really apprehend how lizard-reich and its subordinate bureaucracies really think. [18:21]
mircea_popescu http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084081 <<< this, for the record, is kinda ridiculous. [18:21]
assbot Logged on 02-04-2015 14:05:13; lobbes: I'd like to believe if I just focus on myself and amass enough wealth I can weasel my way through time [18:21]
mircea_popescu might as well make your strategy "to get really really fat" [18:21]
asciilifeform 'too fat to hang' [18:22]
asciilifeform (some prisoner in usa got a temporary stay of execution on this argument.) [18:22]
asciilifeform 'i wus sentenced to hang not heads-off' [18:22]
cazalla !rate thestringpuller 1 overpromised and underdelivered on task he set himself for qntra [18:22]
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mircea_popescu http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084116 << whoever the fuck came up with this "binary module loading" bs should be found and named. [18:25]
assbot Logged on 02-04-2015 14:54:13; assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 03:26:58; nubbins`: "glibc uses libnss to support a number of different providers for address resolution services. Unfortunately, you cannot statically link libnss, as exactly what providers it loads depends on the local system's configuration." [18:25]
mircea_popescu i can see why this would be useful as an alternative method for very peculiar situations [18:25]
mircea_popescu but otherwise, in vast majority of cases, libnss SHOULD JUST CONTAIN ALL! [18:25]
mircea_popescu like fucking code is supposed to do. [18:25]
asciilifeform many things 'should' xxxxx. [18:26]
mircea_popescu no. [18:26]
asciilifeform but the list of 'should but doesn't' appears to grow, grow, every time we turn over a rock. [18:26]
cazalla !verify assbot:cazalla.rate.thestringpuller.1:16ae1454fd113b8cc0c781069043ec4cfadbdd32f55f8f028415f9d88daa29df [18:26]
assbot Successfully updated the rating for thestringpuller from 2 to 1 with note: overpromised and underdelivered on task he set himself for qntra [18:26]
asciilifeform to no surprise of mine [18:26]
mircea_popescu that you don't randomly stick binary in my ass is not a "many things" [18:26]
mircea_popescu this is rape. [18:26]
asciilifeform reminds me [18:27]
asciilifeform iirc i killed 'loadable modules' on pogotron but forgot to disable the now-useless mod utils. [18:28]
asciilifeform oughta be in the next patch. [18:28]
mats 2M s.mpoe buy wall @ 0.00027 [18:28]
asciilifeform (loadable modules are good for kernel dev work and really not much else.) [18:28]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform do you even have a clue why the fuck libnss is made that way ? [18:29]
mircea_popescu is it to fit it on w/e arm shits ? [18:29]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: in so far as i can tell, the problem in question is entirely shot in the head by my dns removal patch. [18:29]
mircea_popescu is it to load whatever early ityeration of nsa diddle in systems ? [18:29]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i cannot fathom why it was made this way, other than for the usual reasons. [18:29]
asciilifeform there is no conceivable technical justification for it, beyond sloth. [18:30]
mircea_popescu who did this ? [18:30]
asciilifeform there is also the overall 'rust' resulting from no one ever building static anything whasoever for years. [18:30]
mircea_popescu if whoever the fuck is responsible for this crapever shows up in wot he's getting my -. [18:31]
asciilifeform one day we will have a simon wiesenthal of crapware. [18:32]
mircea_popescu pure anomie, this shit. idiots "doocracying" with no conception of right and wrong whatsoever. [18:32]
asciilifeform hunt the gnomes and drag them kicking, screaming, to the stake. [18:33]
mircea_popescu "i have tried and so nobody should criticize the steaming pile of dumb dung " [18:33]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: don't expect them to walk in voluntarily [18:34]
mircea_popescu i don't expect anything. [18:35]
asciilifeform ^ the correct thing to expect. [18:35]
mircea_popescu "unfortunately, the way we made this foss software is that it behaves exactly like windows" [18:35]
asciilifeform i actually find it interesting how astonishingly well-clustered the 'digerati' set is. [18:35]
mircea_popescu "there's nothing wrong with pki, it just fixes dns." [18:35]
asciilifeform zawinski lives next to lanier in my head and this is not accidental nor misleading [18:36]
asciilifeform even if they never met in the flesh [18:36]
mircea_popescu you KNOW this shit even got to be used in the first place because usg said so. [18:36]
mircea_popescu "why do we have dns ? it sucks! " "yes but that's how nsa could figure out how to diddle via libnss" [18:36]
mircea_popescu "so why are you all pushing pki ? it's fucktarded beyond reason" "no look, it has a whiff of salami right in this spot!" [18:37]
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asciilifeform in many cases (quite arguably dns included) the turd was an ad-hoc hack from the days of arpa but was cemented in place because guess-why. [18:38]
asciilifeform this is a fine point but not unimportant zoologically [18:38]
asciilifeform because it is uncommon for the enemy to -invent- a turd ab initio [18:38]
mircea_popescu and that, incidentally, is the objection ot poettering : it's not a matter of "doing". the man simply has no conception of right and wrong. [18:38]
trinque asciilifeform: so there's u_int32_t defined in sys/types.h but not uint32_t; I would be interested to see what sys/types.h holds for the other folks [18:38]
asciilifeform it is normally fished out of a pre-existing latrine. [18:38]
mircea_popescu he might as well be a monkey. [18:38]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform just pick one of the preexisting sluts and then prevent washing, sure. [18:39]
trinque comment above: /* But these were defined by ISO C without the first `_'. */ [18:39]
mircea_popescu i will have the heads of the ab-initio people tho. [18:39]
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asciilifeform there's u_int32_t defined in sys/types.h but not uint32_t << ahahahahaha. [18:40]
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asciilifeform someone actually wrote that. [18:40]
asciilifeform with a straight face. [18:40]
asciilifeform and, would probably come up with 'reasons' [18:41]
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asciilifeform i wonder what would be his 'reasons' after a few days of hanging upside-down over a cobra pit. [18:41]
asciilifeform (or insert a more appropriate prelude to a punishment to fit the crime) [18:41]
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asciilifeform soooooooo many ways to arrange four bytes. [18:42]
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trinque asciilifeform: stop trying to stifle people's creativity [18:42]
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asciilifeform 'friar sank to his knees! sacred sensation! miracle proclaimed! blessed defecation!' [18:45]
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trinque asciilifeform: said poettering to the porcelain, parting is such sweet sorrow [18:47]
trinque debootstrap failed mysteriously the first time [18:47]
asciilifeform trinque: from earlier link [18:47]
asciilifeform failed how [18:47]
trinque I was just being creative [18:47]
asciilifeform l0l [18:47]
trinque asciilifeform: couple files didn't download [18:48]
trinque reran, went better [18:48]
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jurov http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/manual/html_node/Name-Service-Switch.html#Name-Service-Switch [18:48]
assbot The GNU C Library: Name Service Switch ... ( http://bit.ly/19MOLU5 ) [18:48]
jurov nss was added to "remove hacks" [18:48]
jurov hahaha [18:48]
asciilifeform mega-l0l! [18:48]
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mircea_popescu i don't think nss per se is the problem here however [18:50]
mircea_popescu the idea of loading binary modules and breaking static builds is not exactly = to nss. [18:50]
mircea_popescu you could have it implemented sanely just as well. [18:51]
asciilifeform could. [18:51]
asciilifeform just as you could have north america ruled by a sane ottoman empire. [18:51]
asciilifeform or whatnot. [18:51]
jurov i guess they wanted to avoid running standalone process and whatnot [18:51]
mircea_popescu you don't even ened a motherfucking process. [18:51]
mircea_popescu dude holy hell, no configured file ever existed before ? [18:51]
asciilifeform jurov: appreciate that what we are attempting with static build is like digging out one of those lugers ru kids routinely find in the ground and trying to fire it [18:51]
asciilifeform it's solid rust [18:52]
asciilifeform can barely make out which way the barrel points [18:52]
jurov butbutbut we need to support dns resolving with mongodb(r)(tm)!!! [18:52]
mircea_popescu nuts. [18:53]
mircea_popescu and that this made it into c... [18:53]
jurov and without(gasp) recompiling libc or running dns servers! [18:53]
mircea_popescu FFS! [18:54]
asciilifeform fortunately we don't have to fill this swamp today [18:54]
asciilifeform apply dns-zap patch. [18:54]
asciilifeform bitcoin does not need dns for anythign! [18:55]
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nubbins` http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000040.html [18:57]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/19MPtAN ) [18:57]
nubbins` for those just catching up [18:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.QNTR] 4470 @ 0.00037719 = 1.686 BTC [+] [18:57]
nubbins` now, lemme give this a whirl [18:58]
asciilifeform careful with that one [18:58]
asciilifeform once you dump dns seeder, you gotta have some live nodes (!!!) in the seed list [18:58]
asciilifeform which, in turn, should not be the hardcoded idiocy [18:58]
asciilifeform but passed on commmandline [18:59]
asciilifeform i never got around to shitting out a patch to remove the hardcoded seedz [18:59]
asciilifeform ALSO [18:59]
asciilifeform now that i read that patch, i notice that it does not eliminate -all- occurrences of the dns crapolade [18:59]
* nubbins` perks ears [18:59]
asciilifeform there is yet another [18:59]
asciilifeform iirc, in the spot where the thing learns own ip. [19:00]
asciilifeform bbl, gotta buy food. [19:00]
nubbins` what's it sending a POST request to whatismyip.com? :D [19:00]
asciilifeform ^ dns query !! [19:01]
trinque holy shit no one knows why there's both a u_int32_t and a uint32_t [19:01]
trinque the latter is defined in c99 [19:01]
nubbins` prob because one asshole somewhere along the line had a build error [19:02]
nubbins` and "this seems to fix it" [19:02]
trinque all I can find is derps going "just include ..." [19:02]
trinque NO SHIT [19:02]
nubbins` i suppose github could tell you who committed it the first time [19:02]
nubbins` i don't keep a list of this type of person, mp may be interested enough to look [19:03]
jurov may have been satoshi himself [19:03]
nubbins` may have been there from the beginning [19:03]
trinque this forum post thing where people pop off with some tape fix rather than explaining what's going on [19:04]
trinque blowtorch [19:04]
cazalla http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084788 dude, what's in your ear? [19:06]
assbot Logged on 02-04-2015 20:31:31; nubbins`: http://imgur.com/jCUBrdF <<< man i got really skinny after two weeks of diarrhoea [19:06]
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trinque asciilifeform: could boost be pulling or not pulling this type in based on some kind of config magic? [19:07]
cazalla lucky i am not otw to conf, i would so attach a padlock to your ear :P [19:07]
nubbins` you could try [19:08]
trinque in my /usr/include I see for example this "nettle" thing doing typedef u_int32_t uint32_t; [19:09]
nubbins` o.O [19:10]
nubbins` http://i.imgur.com/hOH0HCLl.png << silkscreened biz cards on 160# black paper [19:12]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/19MQIzU ) [19:12]
trinque nubbins`: those look great. [19:12]
nubbins` ty [19:12]
nubbins` really nice texture on the black parts too [19:13]
nubbins` dat subtle relief [19:13]
punkman s [19:16]
nubbins` ok alf i'm applying all 3 of your patches to a fresh 0.5.3.1, should know one way or another in an hour or so [19:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36956 @ 0.0002719 = 10.0483 BTC [+] [19:22]
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danielpbarron !up wpalczynski [19:25]
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danielpbarron nubbins`, nice card [19:26]
nubbins` thanks, hand-printed [19:26]
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nubbins` typedef paste u_paste32_t; [19:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64650 @ 0.00027024 = 17.471 BTC [-] {2} [19:28]
trinque nubbins`: pls don't trigger me [19:28]
trinque I actually typedef'd the missing type to see what happened, and now it's pissed about something else [19:28]
trinque would love to show ya >:) [19:29]
nubbins` hey, pastebin is hungry [19:30]
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trinque nubbins`: http://dpaste.com/136CA5Z.txt [19:32]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/19MS6mi ) [19:32]
nubbins` trinque try alf's patch [19:32]
trinque link? [19:33]
nubbins` http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150401/asciilifeform-kills-integer-retardation_8685d541f20bcfe8d8cc9fefba663dd861f7b237.patch [19:33]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/19MSaCD ) [19:33]
trinque ty [19:34]
trinque heh yeah I was derping through exactly what he fixed [19:34]
nubbins` ah, i wouldn't say it's fixed [19:34]
trinque well, he was a notch closer anyway [19:34]
nubbins` regardless, try again [19:34]
nubbins` yes [19:34]
trinque nubbins`: kerboom -> http://dpaste.com/33G6CY8.txt [19:38]
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trinque starting clean and logging all output [19:41]
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trinque but it looked like the stuff not being linked *was* built [19:41]
nubbins` i am also at the "cannot find -lssl, -lcrypto" stage [19:42]
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trinque nubbins`: what does export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$OURLIBS/lib under the rest of the exports do for you? [19:47]
trinque I'm waiting on mine to rebuild [19:47]
trinque this is in auto.sh [19:47]
asciilifeform ok alf i'm applying all 3 of your patches << wai wat, 3?! [19:48]
asciilifeform the integer retardation patch includes the one from portatron [19:48]
asciilifeform /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.8.4/../../../../x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.8.4/../../../../lib64/libpthread.a(pthread_cond_wait.o): relocation R_X86_64_32 against `__gcc_personality_v0' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC [19:49]
asciilifeform /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.8.4/../../../../lib64/libpthread.a: error adding symbols: Bad value [19:49]
asciilifeform ^ wat. [19:49]
asciilifeform (from trinque's) [19:49]
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nubbins` <+asciilifeform> the integer retardation patch includes the one from portatron <<< o look [19:55]
asciilifeform ? [19:55]
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asciilifeform it should go without saying that asciilifeform-kills-integer-retardation_8685d541f20bcfe8d8cc9fefba663dd861f7b237.patch is not a tree candidate ! [19:56]
nubbins` :D [19:56]
asciilifeform i probably should have specified this in the signed text [19:56]
asciilifeform but stating it here for anyone who did not immediately grasp this. [19:56]
trinque I dunno what that link error is. [19:57]
nubbins` while we're at it, do not operate chainsaws w/ your genitals [19:57]
danielpbarron nubbins`, how many of those birds of newfoundland books do you have left? / remind me to get one of those if/when the qntra cards get sent out [20:00]
nubbins` danielpbarron we'll be making them for as long as people buy them. i'll set one aside for ya [20:00]
nubbins` your if/when is currently an if [20:00]
nubbins` i floated a design, nobody was too fussy, nothing else suggested [20:01]
* nubbins` generally doesn't do design work on open-ended spec [20:01]
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nubbins` :o [20:06]
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scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/mpex-smpoe-march-2015-statement/ [20:42]
scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/qntra-sqntr-march-2015-statement/ [20:42]
scoopbot New post on The Whet by han@thewhet: http://thewhet.net/2015/line-betting-on-bitbet-march-2014/ [20:42]
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hanbot lol i can't year. [20:50]
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cazalla mircea_popescu, you might need to edit the s.qntr post [20:59]
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nubbins` http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=xEsMZtmE [21:29]
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nubbins` ^ with asciilifeform's kill-integer and dns-snip patches [21:30]
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BingoBoingo !t m s.qntr [21:32]
assbot [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00037719 / 0.00037719 / 0.00037719 (10885 shares, 4.11 BTC), 7D: 0.00033 / 0.00037676 / 0.00037719 (10985 shares, 4.14 BTC), 30D: 0.00020808 / 0.00027399 / 0.00037719 (40462 shares, 11.09 BTC) [21:32]
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nubbins` i'm not sure if this is confined to my system or not, asciilifeform mod6 danielpbarron ben_vulpes et al [21:34]
nubbins` but the local build of openssl doesn't copy its includes over to the ourlibs dir [21:34]
nubbins` simply doing this manually and re-running auto.sh brings me back to... uint32_t: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=pHmyM0FE [21:34]
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nubbins` my darwin build put 'em in the right place [21:38]
ben_vulpes my debian as well [21:38]
ben_vulpes if i recall correctly - it's been a few days [21:38]
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nubbins` samesies, but i think i'd remember doing this [21:41]
nubbins` i'm gonna pastebin my entire build if anyone feels like digging w/ me [21:42]
nubbins` oh, too big. [21:43]
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cazalla https://coinreport.net/antagonist-bitcoin/ first sentence paragraph lol [21:55]
assbot CoinReport The Antagonist of Bitcoin - CoinReport ... ( http://bit.ly/1GlDOpm ) [21:55]
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cazalla who would've thought americans sit around drinking coffee discussing how much they dislike mircea_popescu [21:55]
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BingoBoingo lol was Garrett Keirns Garr255 or the "Surf Captital Management" douche [22:00]
nubbins` haha [22:01]
nubbins` "Bryce and I have an esoteric, and funny, similarity. We mutually disdain Romanian cryptographer Mircea Popescu. This is how we start our conversation." [22:01]
nubbins` this should be rich [22:01]
punkman maybe it's a late april fool's joke? [22:01]
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nubbins` “It never goes down!” says Bryce, referring to the BTC/UNO exchange rate. “That’s the thing people love about UNO. It never goes down.” [22:02]
punkman "He tells his EVUE dream of a RIAA-approved blockchain system that will allow users to keep track of digital content and freely transfer it via internet platforms (i.e. Spotify, iTunes, Windows Media). “People will be able to keep their digital content for life,”" [22:03]
punkman my non-riaa-approved content will work just fine in 2115 [22:03]
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nubbins` hmm [22:04]
nubbins` i feel like this is a facebook post, but on a website [22:04]
nubbins` i.e.relevant to the two guys in it, and maybe in passing to some of their friends or family [22:04]
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ben_vulpes mircea_popescu's a cryptographer nao? [22:22]
ben_vulpes first a girl, now a cryptographer? [22:22]
ben_vulpes i guess that's what they call anyone who understands math these days. [22:22]
ben_vulpes "The project will be a massive undertaking requiring a large seed investment. " [22:23]
ben_vulpes huehuehuehu i got a large seed investment for ya right here buddy [22:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6950 @ 0.0002719 = 1.8897 BTC [+] [22:24]
ben_vulpes bryce will also tell you that reputation doesn't matter either. [22:24]
ben_vulpes HYU [22:24]
funkenstein_ mega lulz, where to start? [22:25]
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scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/04/silk-road-sealed-document-dump-day-full-text/ [22:26]
danielpbarron "I design blockchains to have purpose. I want the open-source, decentralized DNM to succeed so I can use my RZR coins to buy weed," quips Bryce. [22:26]
danielpbarron does he not have punk kids all over downtown to provide this service?? [22:26]
danielpbarron when has it ever been difficult to score weed, seriously [22:27]
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BingoBoingo !up Cogburn [22:32]
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Cogburn thanks :) [22:32]
Cogburn I'm Bryce Weiner :) [22:32]
danielpbarron do you gpg? [22:33]
cazalla i'm president obama [22:33]
Cogburn oh cmon nobody is gonna pop in here and pretend to be me [22:33]
ben_vulpes can't trust ya tho [22:34]
ben_vulpes welcome to the new world order [22:34]
ben_vulpes get your keys sorted, boss [22:34]
danielpbarron Cogburn, why do you hate mircea_popescu ? [22:34]
trinque "You think someone would do that, just go on the internet and tell lies?" [22:34]
Cogburn i don't [22:35]
Cogburn i dunno why people think that [22:35]
Cogburn we disagree. that's not hate. [22:35]
Cogburn adults can disagree [22:35]
Cogburn dialectic and all that [22:35]
cazalla going by the article, you hate him because you ain't him [22:35]
danielpbarron ok why do you disdain him? [22:35]
danielpbarron why is he beneath you? [22:35]
Cogburn going by the article garret has an axe to grind with him :) [22:35]
Cogburn nobody is beneath me. where do you guys get this stuff? [22:36]
danielpbarron well he suggested that the sentiment is mutual between you two [22:36]
Cogburn he would be wrong [22:36]
Cogburn :) [22:36]
BingoBoingo Cogburn: Well garret lost people a bunch of money with his Surf Captial Management thing [22:36]
Cogburn that would only be one way [22:36]
danielpbarron i did a google search for the word "disdain" and got the feeling that someone or something is unworthy of one's consideration or respect; contempt. [22:36]
danielpbarron and contempt: the feeling that a person or a thing is beneath consideration, worthless, or deserving scorn. [22:36]
BingoBoingo And Garrett may or may not also be Garr255 of the Cognitive Mining tire fire [22:37]
Cogburn i have never expressed disdain. i have expressed passionate disagreement. that's what consensus is about. like the old days of the greek republics arguing the issues of the day on the senate steps [22:37]
BingoBoingo Cogburn: Would you nick happen to be a reference to Rooster Cogburn? [22:37]
Cogburn those are garrets words, not quotes [22:37]
Cogburn Yes, it is. [22:37]
cazalla fuck u scoopbot! http://qntra.net/2015/04/federal-agent-sells-firearms-via-darknet-market/ [22:37]
assbot Federal Agent Sells Firearms Via Darknet Market | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1IWX6Be ) [22:37]
BingoBoingo Sweet [22:37]
cazalla Cogburn, maybe you should take that up with the surfs up guy instead of us? he wrote it afterall [22:38]
ben_vulpes Cogburn: get in the wot? [22:38]
Cogburn here's my key ID [22:39]
ben_vulpes just so's i can take ye seriously? [22:39]
Cogburn had to dig that shit out [22:39]
Cogburn 26F3050C [22:39]
danielpbarron Cogburn, tell it to assbot [22:39]
danielpbarron !h [22:39]
assbot http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot [22:39]
ben_vulpes Cogburn: you savvy wot? [22:39]
Cogburn danke [22:39]
funkenstein_ i'm interested in riaacoin [22:39]
Cogburn who isn't :) [22:40]
Cogburn its not alt. it's bitcoin [22:40]
danielpbarron "I've developed what I call a Bitcoin Circadian Rhythm. I've noticed my body has begun aligning itself with the 10-minute block time of the Bitcoin Blockchain." << lolol [22:41]
Cogburn total misquote [22:41]
Cogburn but what are ya gonna do [22:41]
ben_vulpes negrate the fucker [22:41]
ben_vulpes if you're in the wot that is [22:41]
Cogburn i think WoT's are kinda culty [22:41]
danielpbarron so when you tweeted this article, you were using the hashtag "#awesome" in a sarcastic manner? [22:42]
Cogburn I think it's awesome when people say my name. :) [22:42]
trinque !b 3 [22:42]
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trinque those two lines in succession made me lol [22:42]
Cogburn :) [22:43]
BingoBoingo i think WoT's are kinda culty << It makes a decent shit filter though. The postitive ratings often are no where near as informative as the reasons for the negative ratings [22:43]
Cogburn gamification of reputation is for people who can't give a good handshake or a warm, geniune smile when they meet someone. [22:43]
Cogburn trustless systems are for people with trust issues [22:44]
Cogburn :) [22:44]
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danielpbarron you know who gives really warm handshakes? scammers. [22:44]
Cogburn i dunno. i shook josh garza's hand. unimpressed. [22:44]
danielpbarron the same people who always have an explaination at the ready as to why they don't like WoTs [22:45]
BingoBoingo Cogburn: Score are the least important thing about a WoT, walking the graph and reading the feedback is [22:45]
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funkenstein_ for the record, i still think you're trolling us :) [22:45]
Cogburn not at all [22:46]
Cogburn I'm here specifically to remove that misconception [22:46]
cazalla Cogburn, it's not so much the wot that can be gamed but yourself [22:46]
trinque depends I think as well on initial conditions a great deal. [22:46]
Cogburn I do agree with everything MP says, but I do respect him. that's sort of a necessary component of dialectic. [22:46]
Cogburn *do not agree [22:46]
BingoBoingo funkenstein_: It's not that he's trolling. He's stuck in a wilder wester place [22:46]
Cogburn We don't all have to agree. [22:47]
Cogburn The consensus can be "go fuck yourself" [22:47]
Cogburn :) [22:47]
BingoBoingo Disagreement is the most valuable thing in the world, especially when its informed [22:47]
Cogburn ^ [22:47]
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Cogburn I think we can bullshit the current system by crypto inside of the existing rules and bring about real change. I do not believe in the decentralized anarcho-capitalist utopia as a world-spanning solution to our ills. I think people will live that way if the want to, but real freedom is the ability to say "no" [22:49]
Cogburn *by using [22:50]
funkenstein_ itunes [22:50]
cazalla Cogburn, do you read the logs? you seem to have joined pretty quickly after my mentioning of that lulzy article [22:50]
BingoBoingo cazalla: Everyone reads the logs [22:51]
danielpbarron i told him to join [22:51]
Cogburn https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/status/583802621011501056 [22:51]
assbot The Antagonist of /hashtag/Bitcoin?src=hash [22:51]
Cogburn I was invited and I accepted :) [22:51]
BingoBoingo cazalla: And if they don't danielpbarron offers them the chance [22:51]
Cogburn I do not go where I am not wanted. I'll talk with anyone who wants to talk. [22:51]
danielpbarron yeah well you're wearing out my patience with all the spammy smily faces [22:52]
funkenstein_ do you use itunes? [22:52]
cazalla ah, fair enough then [22:52]
funkenstein_ any of you? [22:52]
Cogburn i smile all the time. don't be so grumpy [22:52]
danielpbarron and so far all you have to say might as well have been copy pasted from the top comment on a reddit post [22:53]
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Cogburn Maybe.. but it's my post and my thoughts and you're the one reading articles about me and bitching, so there is that [22:54]
CryptoDustin <3 [22:54]
Cogburn MP doesn't have the market cornered on being crazy. some of us are just fucking nuts as he is. just not as rich. yet. [22:55]
danielpbarron who says he is crazy? [22:55]
BingoBoingo danielpbarron: He's going off in a way we find weird. Maybe it ends up kinda fruitful. [22:55]
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Cogburn many people. i fully support his threat to fork bitcoin if gavin's block expansion goes through. he's 100% correct that it is an economic alteration to the network and not simple technical [22:56]
danielpbarron what?? he has threatened no such thing [22:56]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51150 @ 0.00027 = 13.8105 BTC [-] [22:56]
danielpbarron gavin is the one threatening a fork [22:56]
Cogburn ... i'm pretty sure he did [22:56]
Cogburn gavin has the keys. he's "that guy" [22:56]
danielpbarron what keys? [22:56]
Cogburn that's metaphorical [22:57]
danielpbarron the ones snipped from the code because they mean nothing? [22:57]
trinque Cogburn: with nothing grounding it to reality [22:57]
Cogburn that's right [22:57]
danielpbarron http://thebitcoin.foundation/turdmeister-alert-snip.tar.gz [22:57]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1DCnJeK ) [22:57]
Cogburn it's 100% bullshit [22:57]
Cogburn that's why MP is right [22:57]
BingoBoingo Cogburn> gavin has the keys. he's "that guy" << Thermos also has a copy of the "Keys" [22:57]
Cogburn poor choice of words on my part [22:57]
trinque no problem, but that is the core of the issue [22:58]
trinque these clowns are no more "the bitcoin guys" than anyone else [22:58]
danielpbarron gavin has the attention poor people who think that talking about bitcoin makes them a part of it somehow [22:58]
Cogburn pun intended? what is bitcoin if not the core reference client? [22:58]
funkenstein_ Alert keys. I hope somebody pushes a cosbycoin message through someday :) [22:58]
Cogburn it gets really existential really quickly [22:58]
danielpbarron Cogburn, the reference client is here [22:58]
danielpbarron not github [22:59]
funkenstein_ what is the internet if not microsoft IE? [22:59]
Cogburn there's an article from late 2013 and i wish i could find it entitled "What if Bitcoin turned Evil?" [22:59]
Cogburn 21.co get $120m to make ASICs [22:59]
Cogburn let's say they end up to comprise 70% of the network [23:00]
Cogburn and add 100m coins [23:00]
danielpbarron if you think socialism is good, then bitcoin is evil to you [23:00]
Cogburn what are you gonna do about it? [23:00]
funkenstein_ reject the blocks [23:00]
danielpbarron i'm gonna keep running my node that ignores their invalid blocks [23:00]
Cogburn so there's now 2 bitcoins [23:00]
danielpbarron do i care that hundreds of altcoins exist? nope. [23:00]
trinque yes but which diverged? [23:00]
Cogburn according to consensus, the 70% wins, right? [23:01]
danielpbarron well seeing as how i'm using a node which didn't change rules.. [23:01]
Cogburn but that's a single entity [23:01]
funkenstein_ $120m to make orphans [23:01]
funkenstein_ what's next an riaa-controlled blockchain? [23:01]
danielpbarron the consensus of whom? you still have to sell those 100m coins [23:01]
Cogburn Looking deeper, that's a silicon valley brain child [23:01]
BingoBoingo according to consensus, the 70% wins, right? << The beautiful thing about concensus is how many releases have been make since $100+ BTC which must agree [23:01]
Cogburn that means all those buddies in palo alto that everyone uses will fork to that chain [23:02]
danielpbarron good for them. seriously good riddance [23:02]
danielpbarron they can have their USGcoin [23:02]
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trinque and if the economic implications of their fork eventually make the thing worthless, the original will have the posture towards it that it has towards fiat [23:02]
danielpbarron !up Cogburn [23:02]
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danielpbarron get in the WoT would ya [23:02]
Cogburn No [23:03]
Cogburn Hehe [23:03]
Cogburn I truly hope MP is interested in this because if he wanted to compete with 21.co I would be very down to help. [23:03]
danielpbarron if you want to help, the first step is getting in the WoT [23:03]
trinque Cogburn: ...sounds like a great reason to register so that you may retain voice and discuss that with him [23:03]
danielpbarron that is no optional [23:03]
danielpbarron Cogburn, http://www.contravex.com/2014/03/17/irc-yeshiva/ [23:04]
assbot IRC Yeshiva | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1DCpgkR ) [23:04]
Cogburn aww that's really cute [23:05]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13817 @ 0.00027026 = 3.7342 BTC [+] [23:05]
BingoBoingo Cogburn: As someone else from the borderlands between the middle west and the middle south of the US I swear the WoT doesn't hurt that much [23:05]
Cogburn However I'm already 32 degree freemason, so thank you but no thank you [23:05]
trinque ^ cold mothafucka [23:06]
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Cogburn You know the WoT is basically forensic evidence, right? [23:07]
Cogburn You sacrifice anonymity? [23:07]
danielpbarron lol. [23:07]
Cogburn I'm okay with just a quick visit. [23:08]
BingoBoingo You sacrifice anonymity? << You also gain insurance [23:08]
Cogburn For what? People come to my coffee house from bitcoin every few months. [23:08]
trinque no one connected to the internet on any device that exists has anonymity [23:08]
Cogburn You're welcome, too [23:08]
danielpbarron anonymity is overrated, and it isn't for the poor anyway [23:09]
BingoBoingo Cogburn: Did you not see mircea_popescu's insurance policy against Obola seizures? [23:09]
Cogburn anonymity is a choice [23:09]
danielpbarron and nobody is forcing you to register your slave name [23:09]
BingoBoingo Cogburn: I mean you did Changetip ISIS... [23:10]
trinque loooooool [23:10]
Cogburn hahahaha [23:10]
BingoBoingo Cogburn: Of all people you might have an interest in sticking your head out here from time to time and getting friendly with people. [23:11]
BingoBoingo !b 4 [23:11]
assbot Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1Y027Q5.txt ) [23:11]
asciilifeform lol what even is this. [23:12]
danielpbarron some guy who thinks he is a big name in bitcoin but needs to acknowledge that he is currently a nobody in the realm that counts [23:13]
asciilifeform http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=xEsMZtmE << this is actually -correct- behaviour - barfs instead of pulling in system's ssl headers [23:13]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1DCr4un ) [23:13]
BingoBoingo lol what even is this. << Rooster Cogburn's a Marshall on the altcoin wild west [23:13]
Cogburn I am very friendly. I was invited and I showed up. [23:13]
Cogburn I do have things to do [23:13]
asciilifeform simply doing this manually and re-running auto.sh brings me back to... uint32_t ... << aaaaand this is where my patch in turn b0rks the thing. 'the doctor cured the patient's ear, but did poke out an eye, i fear' [23:14]
Cogburn There's always twitter [23:14]
funkenstein_ thanks for stopping by [23:14]
asciilifeform 'Romanian cryptographer Mircea Popescu...' << l0l [23:14]
Cogburn it's a pleasure. i'm glad i did. i didn't realize that people thought i hated MP or something. I don't hate anyone. Life is too short. [23:14]
BingoBoingo There's always twitter << Stop by again. Just remember on Twitter danielpbarron tends to bite harder than here. [23:14]
asciilifeform Cogburn: where do you know (?) mircea_popescu from ? [23:15]
Cogburn being critical isn't hate. i'm not above being criticized. I do and say dumb shit like anyone does. I'm also kinda nuts. [23:15]
cazalla Cogburn, it's your friend who gave such an impression, not us [23:15]
Cogburn shut happens [23:15]
Cogburn *shit [23:15]
danielpbarron when condensing thoughts into 140 characters i tend to chop out the nice sounding bits leaving only the necessary harsh words [23:15]
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Cogburn twitter is like conversation in haiku [23:16]
trinque Cogburn: I'm still waiting on an elaboration of this disagreement [23:16]
Cogburn MP and I had a little row at the end of 2013 and I think that's where it stemmed from [23:16]
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asciilifeform pun intended? what is bitcoin if not the core reference client? << actually Cogburn is right. it very much -is- the reference client. which lives here: http://therealbitcoin.org [23:16]
assbot ..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CBlXID ) [23:16]
Cogburn I literally cannot remember the context [23:16]
Cogburn I have no idea what we were talking about [23:17]
danielpbarron when in doubt, check the log -> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1085254 [23:17]
assbot Logged on 03-04-2015 01:30:49; Cogburn: we disagree. that's not hate. [23:17]
asciilifeform but could not remember what disagreed about ? [23:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25800 @ 0.00027 = 6.966 BTC [-] [23:17]
BingoBoingo !s Bryce [23:18]
assbot 5 results for 'Bryce' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Bryce [23:18]
Cogburn i remember the disagreement. there was someone else in it too... i can't remember [23:18]
BingoBoingo http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2014#533483 [23:18]
assbot Logged on 26-02-2014 21:09:12; mircea_popescu: anyone know a certain Bryce Weiner ? [23:18]
Cogburn i just don't remember what it was about. some esoteric point of anarcho capitalism or some such. [23:18]
Cogburn awww [23:18]
Cogburn <3 [23:18]
BingoBoingo Things happen, hopefully people learn [23:19]
asciilifeform You know the WoT is basically forensic evidence, right? << it's more of a signed confession than 'forensic' anything. like the american 'declaration of independence.' 'we hang together or hang separately,' etc. [23:19]
Cogburn fair [23:19]
Cogburn I'll consider it. [23:19]
Cogburn I hadn't seen it expressed that way before [23:20]
asciilifeform that means all those buddies in palo alto that everyone uses will fork to that chain << have you ever seen a tram in the third world ? [23:20]
asciilifeform or a train [23:21]
asciilifeform notice all the folks hanging off the sides, on the roof ? [23:21]
asciilifeform now, are they 'passengers' ? [23:21]
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Cogburn Let's assume my RIAA project is real. Let's assume it happens, and partners with TIDAL for content provision. If 1,000,000 people listen to 3 minute songs for 1 hour, that's 3,000,000+ TX per block in microtransactions. [23:22]
asciilifeform and, do the folks -inside- - who paid for their tickets - need them for anything? does the train need them ? [23:22]
Cogburn I understand your analogy better than you think. [23:22]
asciilifeform Cogburn: there are more lucrative ways to fleece idiots, you know [23:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31638 @ 0.00027 = 8.5423 BTC [-] [23:24]
asciilifeform Cogburn: RIAA project << i for one would only pay even a penny for something riaa-related if it somehow -takes away- at least the same penny from riaa et al. [23:24]
asciilifeform and am not alone in this. [23:24]
asciilifeform especially if the sum gets subtracted in human flesh. [23:24]
funkenstein_ george clinton would agree [23:24]
Cogburn I understand. I also appreciate where it is that I say these things. [23:24]
Cogburn This is not what I would call a "receptive audience" to my idea. [23:24]
Cogburn When we announce officially, I will come back and AMA [23:24]
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mod6 asciilifeform: so, If I wanna play around, I should try gxemul before qemu? [23:25]
asciilifeform the other thing is the political nuance here. when you do business with riaa etc. you are banking that 2025 will contain a world where riaa and the usg it is an affiliate of - are still in business [23:25]
asciilifeform instead of residing in extermination camps. [23:25]
Cogburn I think that RIAA is tired of getting fucked by new technology and drank their own koolaid. [23:26]
Cogburn I could be wrong. [23:26]
funkenstein_ musicians are also tired of getting fucked by the riaa [23:26]
Cogburn everyone is tired of getting fucked [23:26]
Cogburn that's kinda the point [23:27]
funkenstein_ lol [23:27]
Cogburn we can fix that [23:27]
Cogburn that's what my project aims to do [23:27]
* BingoBoingo impressed there is so much lag between axe time and sword time [23:27]
asciilifeform Cogburn: from what i read so far, it seems like your 'fix' still involves armed thugs threatening murder to create a 'market.' [23:27]
Cogburn if things are going to change, we first have to stop getting fuced [23:27]
Cogburn *fucked [23:27]
Cogburn stop fucking over each other [23:28]
Cogburn then things just change on their own [23:28]
Cogburn nice and easy [23:28]
asciilifeform pass the lsd plz. [23:28]
trinque like that time in history where things went nice and easy [23:28]
Cogburn Rome [23:28]
Cogburn Say what you want, it fucking worked. [23:28]
danielpbarron ah, so you are also in favor of slavery? [23:29]
asciilifeform Cogburn: worked -when- ? [23:29]
Cogburn how's your paycheck? [23:29]
Cogburn are you self employed? [23:29]
asciilifeform Cogburn: please specify -when- rome 'worked' [23:29]
Cogburn don't talk to me of slavery if you are paid a wage [23:29]
danielpbarron i am in favor of slavery [23:29]
BingoBoingo Garret Kierns for the record https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=58893 [23:30]
assbot View the profile of Surf Capital Management ... ( http://bit.ly/1DCutJp ) [23:30]
Cogburn slavery in our time is a choice [23:30]
Cogburn i'm okay with that, so long as there is a choice [23:30]
danielpbarron it's always a choice.. between doing as your master says or being beaten [23:31]
danielpbarron or starving to death in the wilderness [23:31]
Cogburn I appreciate some people just don't want to deal with some shit. That doesn't make them bad. [23:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.00027 = 7.695 BTC [-] [23:32]
trinque I think ultimately people will choose whatever gives them the best life, and the sad current condition is that this is what they've chosen, because this is all they can see. [23:32]
Cogburn I think you're right. [23:32]
trinque now, how do you demonstrate that there's a different way of being, defining the world, etc [23:32]
danielpbarron slavery isn't the problem with the current state of affairs; it's this mentality of "i should get to eat while also talking back to my master" that has to go [23:33]
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trinque many ways, probably. but I think it's naive to think that transition happens all nice and easy like [23:33]
asciilifeform !up Cogburn [23:33]
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Cogburn Thank you [23:33]
Cogburn I think those of us who get this blockchain bitcoin magic internet money bullshit have the opportunity to demonstrate and lead by example. Quite frankly IDGAF if MP is crazy or I disagree. I think he's doing it right. I think he knows he's doing it right, too :) [23:34]
Cogburn It's a tool that provides an opportunity to do something truly different with the world. To take advantage, we must be different. [23:34]
asciilifeform Cogburn: i'm rather curious re: what you believe mircea_popescu is doing. 'right' or otherwise. [23:35]
Cogburn Leading by example. [23:35]
Cogburn "This is my way. Like, don't like, DGAF." [23:35]
Cogburn A choice. [23:35]
asciilifeform Cogburn: and which 'way' is that ? [23:35]
asciilifeform i mean, what does it concretely mean, in your mind [23:36]
Cogburn Dunno. Not my problem. I know he has one. I know he's passionate about it. That's what I think is important. The rest is how history will remember our efforts. [23:36]
asciilifeform let's say i said 'i think dijkstra was doing it right.' that would imply that i am in favour of structured programming, against the use of 'goto', and in favour of 99.999% of programming students being flunked and similar fraction of the practitioners of that profession - being fired. [23:37]
asciilifeform if i say that i -disagree- with dijkstra - then i do not believe these things. [23:37]
Cogburn I'm an order out of chaos sort of guy. [23:37]
Cogburn I see what's going on. No issues from me. [23:38]
mircea_popescu dude who the hell raped the logs. [23:38]
asciilifeform Cogburn: are you able to describe even one of the concepts you agree or disagree with mircea_popescu about? or do you just dislike his beard ? [23:38]
asciilifeform am i talking to a perl script ? [23:38]
asciilifeform late 4/1 joke ? [23:38]
mircea_popescu btw, anyone ever got rms' new autoreply ? the one where he goes "i'm on a 48 hour delay like mpex" ? [23:39]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Bryce showed up [23:39]
mircea_popescu who ? [23:39]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: rms' autoreply << never got, but the 48 hour thing is not, afaik, new. he has someone read the mail and pass it on (or not) [23:40]
BingoBoingo !s Bryce [23:40]
assbot 5 results for 'Bryce' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Bryce [23:40]
Cogburn Hahahah we had a twitter fight a year ago and people think i hate you [23:40]
asciilifeform Cogburn: so was it the beard ? or an actual position ? [23:40]
Cogburn I apparently did an interview with a blogger antagonistic to you and I wanted to clarify any guilt by association [23:40]
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Cogburn Okay. I did not ever think that bitcoin would outperform BH. [23:40]
mircea_popescu interview ? who for ? wut ? [23:41]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: With Surf Captial Management kid [23:42]
mircea_popescu http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084140 << magically, i have never seen any of this irl [23:42]
assbot Logged on 02-04-2015 14:59:47; asciilifeform: what a crock of shit! [23:42]
mircea_popescu where is this thing used by millions ? [23:43]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'used' has a very peculiar meaning here [23:43]
asciilifeform sorta like high fructose syrup is 'used' [23:43]
danielpbarron cazalla, Patch.com reports the arrest of a Massachusetts man who sort to purchase a firearm << should be "sought to purchase" ? [23:43]
asciilifeform as in, fed to unsuspecting bipedal cattle [23:43]
cazalla danielpbarron, ty [23:43]
mircea_popescu but i never seen one. [23:43]
mircea_popescu how does it even work, you hash the "public key" and then multiply it with something ? sorta halfass rsa ? [23:44]
cazalla Hahahah we had a twitter fight a year ago and people think i hate you <<< not people, your friend from coinwhatever website [23:44]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: since it isn't an actual cryptosystem, you will never -see- it. instead, the bank account of that clown and his university 'sees' the royalties from idiot usg affiliates proclaiming to 'use' it. [23:44]
mircea_popescu ah one of those. mkay. [23:44]
asciilifeform http://www.voltage.com/technology/identity-based-encryption << him [23:45]
assbot Identity-Based Encryption (IBE), Boneh-Franklin Algorithm, Private Key Generation, Key Certificates, Cryptography Methods | Voltage Security ... ( http://bit.ly/1DCxycx ) [23:45]
mircea_popescu not that the idea is without merit. [23:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21184 @ 0.00027029 = 5.7258 BTC [+] {2} [23:45]
asciilifeform 1) idiot generates a 'public key' by his email, or name, being hashed [23:45]
mircea_popescu any random string being hashable, any random string could be used as a pubkey, in principle. may take some work to mine a usable privkey to go with it, but... [23:45]
asciilifeform 2) usg generates a private key to 'go with' the public [23:45]
asciilifeform by virtue of the hash being malleable [23:46]
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asciilifeform then they live happily ever after [23:46]
asciilifeform in buttfuck embrace [23:46]
mircea_popescu lol how is this encryption [23:46]
asciilifeform same way american 'food' is food [23:46]
mircea_popescu no but i mean for srs. this could actually be done correctly [23:46]
mircea_popescu drive them out of market. [23:46]
asciilifeform 'encryption-flavoured extruded product' [23:46]
mircea_popescu (yeah yeah i know, as if) [23:46]
asciilifeform correctly?! [23:46]
mircea_popescu why couldn't i have arbitrary pubkey ? [23:47]
asciilifeform you can right now [23:47]
mircea_popescu exactly. [23:47]
asciilifeform e.g. 'vanitygen' [23:47]
mircea_popescu prolly the bruteforce approach doesn't deliver 100%. [23:47]
asciilifeform but the asymmetry is required for honest crypto. i.e. if mr luser can determine a privkey to go with luser@luserdom.com than so can you and i [23:48]
mircea_popescu hm [23:49]
mircea_popescu i suppose you're right - this service existing is sufficient prooof what it's serving isn't crypto. [23:49]
asciilifeform it's a 'keybase'. [23:49]
asciilifeform for all i know, 'keybase' is a licensee [23:50]
mircea_popescu lol [23:50]
asciilifeform i suppose one can patent a chumpatron. [23:50]
mircea_popescu gotta spend that "seed money" somehow. [23:50]
asciilifeform 'scheme for relieving idiots of their...' [23:50]
mircea_popescu http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084166 << no, implication is "our readership is moronic" [23:51]
assbot Logged on 02-04-2015 15:06:45; asciilifeform: What You Need to Know About the Unsealed Silk Road Docket << i do so hate these 'what you need to know' titles. implication is that no serious person would need to know anything else [23:51]
asciilifeform i haven't seen anything as insulting to the intelligence of the reader as 'voltage security co.' in many years. [23:52]
asciilifeform because, possibly, the flavour of being targeted at folks who go in for cryptological maths, rather than garden-variety schmucks [23:52]
mircea_popescu i suppose it's targeted at folks who think the usg is a good idea and windows an operating system. [23:52]
asciilifeform it's one thing to pitch 'proof that 1=2' to third-grade children, another - to maths grad students [23:52]
mircea_popescu depends. stanford grads prolly buy it. [23:53]
mircea_popescu if mit grads anything to go by. [23:53]
asciilifeform on the flip side, it gives an almost p.t. barnum-esque air of loud, profanely farting cynical hucksterism. nostalgic. [23:53]
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asciilifeform sorta the same feeling i used to get when i was a regular reader of 'secret' forums for spammers [23:54]
mircea_popescu http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084204 << if you recall, that was taken off because that's how sa owned the forum back during mtgox 1 cent days [23:54]
assbot Logged on 02-04-2015 15:27:23; nubbins`: wow, the latest DDOS attack against the forum seems to have reinstated the ability to change/add avatars [23:54]
mircea_popescu so go ahead, sql inject it. [23:54]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform those forums... sorta tardstalk before the bitcoin. [23:55]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00027 = 3.699 BTC [-] [23:55]
asciilifeform aha. they even had own 'spamcoins' (using - now, long-dead - centralized spam-money services) [23:55]
mircea_popescu people are generally stupid in the same ways. [23:55]
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asciilifeform it is rare to see an entirely novel stupid invented. [23:56]
mircea_popescu kinda why you'd expect governments to do better than they are, really. [23:56]
asciilifeform incidentally, one idea for writersey folks - taxonomy of the meaningfully-different forms of bad crypto. [23:57]
pete_dushenski token "hey look it's pete" scoop: http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/02/mean-streets/ [23:57]
assbot Mean Streets. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1DCAeH8 ) [23:57]
asciilifeform https://craphound.com/spamsolutions.txt << based possibly on this. or in essay form [23:57]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1DCAg1J ) [23:57]
mircea_popescu definite flavour of malus enumeratio [23:58]
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asciilifeform not as a serious guide for humans ! [23:59]
asciilifeform as a massage. [23:59]
asciilifeform jjust like spamsolutions.txt is not a textbook [23:59]
asciilifeform enumerations of fallacies - and especially of scams - are not useless [23:59]
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