Forum logs for 03 Apr 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
asciilifeform even if there is a universe full of falsehood. as pointed out, stupidity cuts into equivalence classes. [00:00]
mircea_popescu ( ) Extreme profitability of spam << i take it this was 2000ish ? [00:00]
asciilifeform earlier. [00:00]
mircea_popescu myeah. meanwhile that problem took care of itself. [00:00]
asciilifeform iirc written no later than '97 [00:01]
mircea_popescu << wait. wut ?! [00:02]
assbot Logged on 02-04-2015 15:59:45; thestringpuller: no. i'm going to have to cancel for family reasons related to finance [00:02]
mircea_popescu << i don't think this will work. [00:03]
assbot Logged on 02-04-2015 16:06:28; asciilifeform: nor should nubbins`, or ben_vulpes, or the rest. [00:03]
mircea_popescu conceivably this will come down to "use so and so, version no later than X, and you will have to either not use sound or use one of these sound cards" [00:03]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: or the other thing i suggested [00:03]
BingoBoingo !up Cogburn [00:04]
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mircea_popescu what, "posix" ? that's not a thing [00:04]
asciilifeform it being, what folks do in school. emulate a machine that is described on half a sheet of paper [00:04]
asciilifeform with instruction set such-and-such, this much ram, etc. [00:04]
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asciilifeform (see rest of thread) [00:04]
mircea_popescu emulators are seriously a very bad idea for this. [00:04]
Cogburn thank, you but you need not keep voicing me. I'll consider the invitation for the WoT. Glad to clear some things up. Have a great night. [00:04]
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mircea_popescu i can appreciate the ... spherical chicken appeal. [00:04]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i do this in life. if you have a reasonably-fast computer, it is tolerable. [00:05]
asciilifeform now this'd be for -builds- [00:05]
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asciilifeform not for running bitcoind -in-. [00:05]
mircea_popescu it's a bad idea. [00:05]
asciilifeform it is. [00:05]
mircea_popescu you're fighting shit with a taller tower. of shit. [00:06]
asciilifeform but no one has suggested a good idea. [00:06]
mircea_popescu how about debian sarge ? [00:06]
asciilifeform can i re-create it ? [00:06]
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asciilifeform without downloading bins [00:06]
mircea_popescu 3.x [00:06]
mircea_popescu i think you should STILL be able to yes. [00:06]
mircea_popescu but back in 2005, definitely. [00:06]
mircea_popescu !up E8888____ [00:06]
-assbot- You voiced E8888____ for 30 minutes. [00:06]
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asciilifeform i mean, with my existing compilers. [00:06]
mircea_popescu with its own. it's a whole complete universe. [00:07]
asciilifeform aha so i gotta download bins [00:07]
mircea_popescu not sure about yours, mebbe worth a shit [00:07]
asciilifeform ick. [00:07]
mircea_popescu shot* [00:07]
asciilifeform besides we had someone try specifically it - ben_vulpes ? [00:07]
mircea_popescu we did / [00:07]
asciilifeform and turned out that it has a lying gcc [00:07]
mircea_popescu no ? [00:07]
asciilifeform which includes a type not defined in the src. [00:07]
asciilifeform (see yesterday's zoological find) [00:08]
BingoBoingo [00:08]
assbot Hospitalist Becomes Own Endless Loop | GomerBlog ... ( ) [00:08]
mircea_popescu << this is a correct approach, the problem seems to be however that compilers don't work properly. [00:08]
assbot Logged on 02-04-2015 16:09:47; mod6: Ok, so say that you have installed via offical docs, bla bla bla. Ok, then our release doesn't work. But we need to fix defects, and I refuse to have this happen going forward. So we need something repeatable. [00:08]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i wasn't aware that was on deb sarge. [00:09]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes awake ? [00:09]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: what did you use ? [00:09]
BingoBoingo “It was all very surreal. The nurse told me my patient had arrived on the ward. I told her I was the patient. She apparently thought I was making an existential statement and replied ‘aren’t we all just the sum of our patients and our patience’. I know, it doesn’t make any sense to me either now, but at the time it was profound, because, you know, dilaudid. “ [00:09]
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assbot Logged on 01-04-2015 19:08:25; ben_vulpes: ascii_field, nubbins`: debian 6.0.10 [00:09]
mircea_popescu that is not sarge. [00:10]
* asciilifeform consults table [00:10]
mircea_popescu that is 3 major revisions later. looks like modern. [00:10]
asciilifeform aha. [00:10]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: be so kind as to try the build on one of your debians ? [00:10]
asciilifeform untar and ./ [00:10]
mircea_popescu i didn't take any across the ocean ;/ [00:10]
asciilifeform damn. [00:11]
mircea_popescu well how the fuck was i to know a year later ima be all the way up in thompsoncpp [00:11]
mircea_popescu but yes, the execration has occured to me a number of times. [00:11]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i once seriously toyed with the idea of building with borland cpp 3 [00:11]
asciilifeform you know, -that- one [00:11]
mircea_popescu then again if THAT didn't work it wouldn't surprise me. [00:12]
asciilifeform [00:12]
assbot ... ( ) [00:12]
asciilifeform i still miss that thing. [00:12]
mircea_popescu yes i had it, my f9 was illegible [00:12]
asciilifeform aha [00:12]
mircea_popescu note btw your ss is in romanian. [00:12]
asciilifeform unsurprisingly [00:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32427 @ 0.00027 = 8.7553 BTC [-] [00:12]
Adlai BingoBoingo: no, the best part: McSwagger was awakened from a deep sleep by his pager, only to find out that he was being called by his own nurse, apparently because he needed something for sleep [00:13]
BingoBoingo lol [00:13]
mircea_popescu << you're more than welcome to play with an emulator if you wish to broaden your horizon, but it is broadly inadequate for what we're trying to do here. [00:15]
assbot Logged on 02-04-2015 16:16:41; nubbins`: so maybe we can start there [00:15]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the problem is that the pc architecture (as a standard that you can hard-hold a vendor to) is dead. [00:16]
asciilifeform e.g., i literally can't buy my main pc again. [00:16]
mircea_popescu this is a problem. [00:16]
pete_dushenski << if this be the same weiner that keeps derping with seamonster [00:16]
assbot Bitcoin Chat With Crypto Mogul Bryce Weiner! - YouTube ... ( ) [00:16]
asciilifeform possibly, very slowly, out of antiquarian collectible parts. [00:16]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25155 @ 0.00027 = 6.7919 BTC [-] [00:16]
asciilifeform of fuck knows what provenance. [00:17]
mircea_popescu but pretending like magic works isn't a solution to it. [00:17]
asciilifeform magic? [00:17]
mircea_popescu yes. [00:17]
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mircea_popescu look, qemu is essentially a hypervisor. [00:17]
asciilifeform nope. [00:17]
mircea_popescu if hypervisors fixed bad osen microsoft'd have been long fixed. [00:17]
asciilifeform when used as classical qemu (with accelerator) there is no hypervisor [00:17]
asciilifeform can emulate pc on vax [00:17]
asciilifeform or vax on pc [00:17]
scoopbot New post on by cazalla: [00:18]
asciilifeform hypervisor is a very other animal, where certain instructions are emulated ('sensitive' ring0 ones) while most execute naked. [00:18]
mircea_popescu but only provided the underlying os behaves. [00:18]
asciilifeform popular hypervisor: vmware [00:18]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: we have a confusion of terminology here. an emulator is, for instance, 'zsnes' - popular 'super nintendo' emul [00:19]
asciilifeform works on soviet 'elbrus' as well as american '486' [00:19]
mircea_popescu yes. [00:19]
asciilifeform and regardless of what the nintendo proggy does, cannot crash the elbrus [00:19]
mircea_popescu so far this is a hypervisor. [00:19]
asciilifeform because we are essentially interpreting the snes instructions [00:19]
asciilifeform nope. [00:20]
asciilifeform hypervisor has a specific meaning [00:20]
mircea_popescu "works on another machine. check. client can't crash kernel. check" [00:20]
mircea_popescu yes. that special meaning is "runs vms" [00:20]
asciilifeform actually the rub with hypervisor is that the 'guest' -can- affect the 'host' quite often. [00:20]
mircea_popescu but this because hypervisor is badly implemented. [00:21]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: [00:21]
assbot Teen son of Canadian Consul General arrested after brother killed in drug deal | Miami Herald Miami Herald ... ( ) [00:21]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the short version of the difference is that a 'hypervisor' emulates -certain- instructions, that are understood to modify the global state of the machine in ways which would allow the guest os to monopolize the hardware (e.g., write a block to the disk at index I) whereas an emulator emulates -all- instructions executed by the guest [00:22]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: how stupid and ballsy are these consul's kids that they "planned to rob the drug dealers " [00:22]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform a minor point, but anyway. [00:22]
pete_dushenski why can't they just buy coke from a classmate like normal kids of consuls ? [00:22]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: I dunno, what's going on in the Canadia [00:22]
asciilifeform very major point in practice [00:22]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski "The teens are the sons of Roxanne Dubé, who only recently assumed the role of consul general in Miami. A former Fulbright scholar, she has extensive diplomatic experience, having worked as an aide in Parliament and as the ambassador to Zimbabwe." [00:23]
asciilifeform hypervisor requires host and guest architectures to be same. [00:23]
mircea_popescu and there you have your problem. [00:23]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform notrly. [00:23]
asciilifeform emulator can be of anything you like, whether the computer from 'apollo' space probe, or one that i made up for the occasion. [00:23]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: not that anything does, but "Wabafiyebazu" isn't that canadian [00:23]
mircea_popescu plenty of 32 bit run on 64 bit that way for instance. [00:23]
asciilifeform 32 is subset [00:23]
pete_dushenski s/does/is [00:23]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Is Rob Ford contagious? [00:23]
asciilifeform x86_64 contains specific provisions for running a process in 'short' (x86) mode [00:24]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: you're closer to derpbama than i to ford ;) [00:24]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform anyway, granted, it's "a better hypervisor". still runs on another os. [00:24]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: I'll need to get a map to check that [00:24]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30900 @ 0.0002719 = 8.4017 BTC [+] [00:25]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: sometimes, you can take the contents of the emulator and - if it exists and you have it in your collection - run it on physical iron [00:25]
mircea_popescu sometimes i fall asleep on one girl and wake up atop another. [00:26]
asciilifeform same idea. [00:26]
mircea_popescu i wouldn't propose this for anyone else. [00:26]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: incidentally, this is lieke 90% of what i'd want a 2nd pet for [00:26]
asciilifeform 2nd 'stator' [00:26]
asciilifeform (if fella who turns, is 'rotor') [00:26]
mircea_popescu inb short : it'd be great if emulators as you conceptually represent one existed and work. they do not. what we need is a distro to set in stone. [00:27]
asciilifeform for fucks sake, they exist and i use them every day for past decade. [00:27]
mircea_popescu are you running this in an emulator ? [00:27]
asciilifeform 'this' - no [00:27]
mircea_popescu why not ? [00:27]
asciilifeform most of what passes for my day job - yes [00:27]
asciilifeform why not << because no reason to take 25x cpu hit [00:27]
mircea_popescu most of which isn't bitcoind-like [00:27]
mircea_popescu suppose your emulated bitcoind forks. what do you do ? [00:28]
asciilifeform win turing prize. [00:28]
mircea_popescu yeah well. [00:28]
asciilifeform spend on burial. [00:29]
asciilifeform anyway the point, again, would not be to ever -run- bitcoind in the dog-slow emulated linux [00:30]
asciilifeform but to cross-compile for normal machine (ibmpc, pogo, vax, whatever) [00:30]
asciilifeform using -known- set of mechanisms. [00:30]
asciilifeform as in, putting an actual cork in the os/libs/cpu/etc [00:30]
mircea_popescu but this is essentially naive. because, again, the bitcoind is not the code you read, but the binary that runs. [00:31]
asciilifeform as in 'here they are and this they shall be in 3015 running on Aldan-XVIII cpu' [00:31]
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asciilifeform yes, the bin. small enough to eventually disasm & read. [00:31]
mircea_popescu if your binary that runs can not be run by your golden standard [00:31]
asciilifeform can, why not. [00:31]
mircea_popescu you essentially have managed to divorce a new academia out of engineering [00:31]
mircea_popescu this is the last thing we want. [00:31]
asciilifeform that'd be a monumentally strange thing to do. but not what suggested. [00:32]
asciilifeform suggested nailing down a machine spec [00:32]
mircea_popescu it is what'd happen. [00:32]
asciilifeform that can be replicated [00:32]
asciilifeform in the way that we are too poor (yes, poor) to do with tangible machine yet. [00:32]
mircea_popescu how do you distinguish a bug in the os from a bug in the emulator from a bug in the code ? [00:32]
asciilifeform that's the thing, bug in emulator is catastrophic [00:32]
asciilifeform but think of it as a skyscraper foundation. there is tremendous pressure on it [00:33]
mircea_popescu so you want me to pull in more code than the openssl. with worse risk outlook. [00:33]
mircea_popescu and your explanation is... "Well many people checked it" [00:33]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: when you dig out your old laptop with 'pentium I', guess what you're pulling in [00:33]
asciilifeform at least emulator code - i can sit down & read. [00:33]
asciilifeform try read internals of 'pentium I' [00:33]
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mircea_popescu except your emulator still runs on pentium i in question [00:34]
mircea_popescu with who knows what dirty hacks everywhere to make it "portabler" [00:34]
asciilifeform or soviet 'iskra' [00:34]
mircea_popescu (incidentally, portability worst fucking idea in computing!) [00:34]
asciilifeform or my mips-on-fpga that exists nowhere but my living room [00:34]
asciilifeform or, or [00:34]
asciilifeform or it runs in my head & a pencil [00:35]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i can't see this as anything but "adding more bad code". [00:35]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu is right, but in the same way as a fella taking penicillin is 'swallowing poison' [00:35]
asciilifeform technically -yes. [00:35]
mircea_popescu i don't have anything against running test versions of golden-bitcoind on anything, including toasters, gameboys, toasters emulated on gameboys etc [00:35]
mircea_popescu but that's a different discussion. [00:35]
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asciilifeform ideally i would not even suggest something as terrifyingly unpleasant as - in effect - giving everyone a 486. [00:36]
asciilifeform which is what emulator amounts to. [00:36]
asciilifeform but what is the alternative whereby each of us ends up with 1) EXACTLY same machine 2) one we can still get 1000 years later [00:36]
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asciilifeform or even month later. [00:36]
mircea_popescu no, we've not even come to the discussion where "it's entirely unclear desktop with bitcoind in quemu can even process blocks in 10 minutes each" [00:36]
mircea_popescu we're still atthe principle of the matter. [00:36]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: believe or not - can. [00:37]
* asciilifeform admits he tried [00:37]
mircea_popescu nothing wrong with trying it. [00:37]
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asciilifeform (on what? modest box circa '07) [00:38]
asciilifeform but none of it changes the fundamentally bowel-loosening fact of discovering that 1) extant linuxen are incompatible in eldritch ways 2) that impact bitcoind build [00:39]
asciilifeform and 3) static builds never really worked for items of any complexity [00:39]
asciilifeform because 4) we have a rusted-solid 'luger' from 1941 [00:39]
mircea_popescu so far, i'm a) chasing whoever the fuck broke the world by making an idiotic libnss and b) unconvinced the problem's more than that dns bs. [00:39]
asciilifeform that we tried to fire and somehow surprised [00:39]
asciilifeform i think we shot (a) in the head [00:40]
mircea_popescu hm [00:40]
mircea_popescu ? [00:40]
asciilifeform (dns removal. but one more tumour growth left, the external-ip getter) [00:40]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: [00:41]
assbot Logged on 02-04-2015 15:17:35; asciilifeform: my dns seed snip patch never made it in the realease, did it [00:41]
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mircea_popescu << ahaha good one. [00:41]
assbot Logged on 02-04-2015 16:32:29; nubbins`: but hey. the plural of anecdote is proof, yes? [00:41]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform THE PROBLEM STILL EXISTS. [00:41]
mircea_popescu even if not in our code anymore [00:41]
asciilifeform [00:41]
assbot Logged on 02-04-2015 21:50:57; asciilifeform: bitcoin does not need dns for anythign! [00:41]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: yes, exists [00:41]
mircea_popescu well yes. im chasing the culprit. i wish to know who the fuck thought this is a good idea. [00:41]
asciilifeform i humbly request a copy of r. stevens's 'tcp/ip' bound in his skin. [00:42]
asciilifeform will also accept pike's 'unix prog. envir.' [00:42]
mircea_popescu more like it. [00:43]
* asciilifeform has a list. [00:43]
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mircea_popescu << the reason they're doing this is obvious. they want to find bugs. [00:44]
assbot Logged on 02-04-2015 16:34:58; jurov: even openbsd prefers to maintain racks of obsolete hardware to running emulators [00:44]
asciilifeform must add also that the possibility of emulating a reasonably unix-capable computer is relatively recent. in university 'operating systems' courses in '99 folks were still rebooting actual pc, with floppy, 500 times a day. in 2006 - qemu. [00:45]
asciilifeform (and the occasional floppy/pc) [00:45]
asciilifeform my brother had one - i had the other [00:46]
mircea_popescu nobody is disputing it's a very useful tool for many things. [00:46]
mircea_popescu well, not i at any rate. [00:46]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: do you recall the 'specificity of diddling' thread ? [00:47]
mircea_popescu yes. [00:47]
asciilifeform << for others reading [00:47]
assbot Logged on 06-03-2015 23:42:12; asciilifeform: for the benefit of n00bs, i will briefly elaborate [00:47]
asciilifeform related. [00:48]
mircea_popescu << lol wait, they came full circle to the actual goal, usg's own bitcoin ? [00:51]
assbot Logged on 02-04-2015 16:43:36; asciilifeform:!msg/urbit-dev/zhMRI9hn4KI/bMYtcr9o5QkJ << unrelated mega-l0l [00:51]
mircea_popescu "Writing an empty stub is an extremely bad practice and should only be done in desperation, because at the urbit level it produces a system event log that is nonrepeatable, or at least noncompliant with the nock spec. Discrepancies propagate rapidly in any kind of replay. You should be able to turn off all jets and get the same result. This is not practical, but it is practical if you disable everything but a few ba [00:51]
mircea_popescu sic math functions. [00:51]
mircea_popescu As a development methodology it's often useful to write hoon that tracks an existing C routine rather than the other way around, but even this needs to be done quite carefully to avoid jet discrepancies." [00:51]
mircea_popescu i liked that part. [00:51]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.0002719 = 3.2356 BTC [+] [00:56]
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asciilifeform they'll eat their pants before admitting it's 'usg bitcoin' [00:58]
mircea_popescu well for one thing it's not ok to admit yarvin is orlov in a different color scheme [00:58]
asciilifeform lol, what color ? [00:59]
mircea_popescu for the other it's not ok to admit urbit exists strictly because a) yarvin's chumpatron attempt failed just at the time b) usg was looking for a particular tool [00:59]
mircea_popescu scooped it up cheapo. [00:59]
mircea_popescu so i guess two can't admits make it a mindblowing evil thing. [00:59]
asciilifeform close. exists because y dropped out of grad school to play original 'dotcom' chumpamatic [00:59]
mircea_popescu right. but that's half the story. [01:00]
asciilifeform and sorta wanted to get back to these two highlights of his youth [01:00]
mircea_popescu his mantears over bitcoin existing coupled with a certain need for "Expertise" in certain quarters... [01:00]
asciilifeform i actually read his 'all bitcoin users will be gassed' thing as honest defeatism [01:00]
asciilifeform but can't even tell now. [01:01]
mircea_popescu the man is not honest. [01:01]
mircea_popescu im starting to notice a pattern here, he reads exactly like yak guy, once i read yak guy [01:02]
asciilifeform brings to mind, [01:02]
asciilifeform Orwell: ‘Do you really want to see your children grow up Nazis?’ [01:02]
asciilifeform The youth: ‘Nonsense! You don't suppose the Germans are going to encourage Fascism in this country, do you? They don't want to breed up a race of warriors to fight against them. Their object will be to turn us into slaves. That's why I'm a pacifist. They'll encourage people like me.’ [01:02]
asciilifeform Orwell: ‘And shoot people like me?’ [01:02]
asciilifeform The youth: ‘That would be just too bad.’ [01:02]
asciilifeform Orwell: ‘But why are you so anxious to remain alive?’ [01:02]
asciilifeform The youth: ‘So that I can get on with my work, of course.’ [01:02]
asciilifeform ( ) [01:02]
assbot George Orwell: As I Please -- 1943 ... ( ) [01:02]
mircea_popescu there was a very apt summary in that physicits's criticism. i suppose i should look it up. [01:02]
asciilifeform mr mold decided that he was anxious to remain alive. i can't really see why. [01:02]
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mircea_popescu << lulwut. [01:03]
assbot Eliezer Yudkowsky - Wikiquote ... ( ) [01:03]
mircea_popescu hey, does wikiquote have a page of quotes from my cat yet ? [01:03]
asciilifeform no but almost [01:03]
asciilifeform i think they have naggum's cat. [01:03]
mircea_popescu holy shit, "crocker's rules" omfg. [01:04]
assbot Anonymous derpage pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [01:04]
mircea_popescu it's eerie just how connected stupidity is. [01:04]
mircea_popescu "So, Hariezer is joking about the murder (its made clear later), but WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPENING? These escalating friendship-tests feel contrived, reciprocity is effective when you don’t make demands immediately, which is why when you get a free sample at the grocery store the person at the counter doesn’t say “did you like that? Buy this juice or we won’t be friends anymore.” This whole conversation feels [01:05]
mircea_popescu ham fisted, Hariezer is consistently telling us about all the manipulative tricks they are both using. Its less a conversation and more people who just sat through a shitty marketing seminar trying to try out what they learned. WITH RAPE. " [01:05]
mircea_popescu basicaly... these are kids whoise main feature is having sat through a bunch of bad marketing seminars. [01:05]
mircea_popescu and [01:06]
mircea_popescu conversations between Quirrell/Malfoy/Potter seem to follow scripts of the form [01:06]
mircea_popescu "Here is an awesome manipulation I’m using against you" [01:06]
mircea_popescu "My, that is an effective manipulation. You are a dangerous man" [01:06]
mircea_popescu "I know, but I also know that you are only flattering me as an attempt to manipulate me." [01:06]
mircea_popescu "My, what an effective use of Bayesian evidence that is!" [01:06]
mircea_popescu etc. [01:06]
asciilifeform this is not entirely unlike the 'karate scenes' written by hacks [01:06]
mircea_popescu quite. [01:07]
mircea_popescu it's funny tho, quotations from bad fanfic, the works. [01:07]
pete_dushenski << oh hey look 'daniel roberts' reads the logs [01:07]
assbot Goodbye, Bitcoin St. Petersburg Bowl, we hardly knew ye - Fortune ... ( ) [01:07]
pete_dushenski ^quite the qntra rip-off [01:08]
pete_dushenski obviously without attribution, 'reddit said' instead [01:08]
asciilifeform folks who, to a first approximation, -don't read for pleasure- tend to write rather disconcertingly like a poorer version of what they did read. sorta like vomit looks something like the food at times [01:09]
pete_dushenski "hey look, a gummy worm!" [01:10]
pete_dushenski "only half-digested!" [01:10]
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mircea_popescu lol [01:11]
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mircea_popescu well... the world is supremely fair, in that ignorance is its own reward. [01:12]
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pete_dushenski i'm finally working my way through buffett's annual letters to berkshire shareholders [01:12]
mircea_popescu << what's wrong with config file srsly. [01:12]
assbot Logged on 02-04-2015 21:54:54; asciilifeform: i never got around to shitting out a patch to remove the hardcoded seedz [01:12]
mircea_popescu !up PFate [01:12]
-assbot- You voiced PFate for 30 minutes. [01:13]
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pete_dushenski << recommended reading for log readers out there [01:13]
assbot Shareholder Letters ... ( ) [01:13]
PFate hello and thank you [01:13]
mircea_popescu yeah they're not bad. [01:13]
mircea_popescu PFate who might you be ? [01:13]
PFate erm, just a pleb atm [01:14]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what's wrong with config file srsly << nothing wrong with it. but 1) the hardcoded junk needs to go 2) node needs to learn own ip somehow [01:14]
PFate want twitter handle? [01:14]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: call it biznis 201 [01:14]
PFate @thefateofbtc [01:14]
pete_dushenski PFate: soooo what's the fate ? [01:14]
mircea_popescu PFate it's free form, i dun want anything specific. [01:14]
PFate pete, right now its not good from watching the news [01:15]
mircea_popescu << sadly. the man very much went by this "engineering" approach. [01:15]
PFate lol [01:15]
assbot Logged on 02-04-2015 21:59:01; jurov: may have been satoshi himself [01:15]
pete_dushenski PFate: that works because i'm pretty sure nowhere here watches the news [01:15]
pete_dushenski << this yours then ? [01:16]
assbot 1Broker - Bitcoin Forex and CFD Trading ... ( ) [01:16]
PFate [01:16]
PFate :) [01:16]
PFate 301 redirect ftw [01:16]
asciilifeform stas@humanoid ~ $ grep -R -i u_int32_t bitcoin-0.3.21 [01:17]
asciilifeform stas@humanoid ~ $ grep -R -i uint32_t bitcoin-0.3.21 [01:17]
asciilifeform stas@humanoid ~ $ [01:17]
cazalla wow, that article cites btcfeed as the source of the jan bitpay layoffs? fucking cunts [01:17]
asciilifeform nope, not satoshi. [01:17]
pete_dushenski cazalla: ikr! [01:17]
mircea_popescu ahaha im bashing that paste shit. nubbins you should start your own act. [01:17]
pete_dushenski PFate: well congrats on "We have proven ourselves: Since our launch in 2012, there was not a single security breach." [01:18]
PFate ? the .com is not mine [01:18]
PFate heh [01:18]
mircea_popescu cazalla write to the author and to forbes editor, tell them they can either publish a fix or else i sue. [01:18]
mircea_popescu lettuce see if forbes getting sued by bitcoin for ip infringement makes the news or not. [01:19]
asciilifeform won't make the docket much less news [01:19]
asciilifeform will be magicked away with magic rays. [01:20]
mircea_popescu the docket it will make. [01:20]
pete_dushenski PFate: ah nm then! [01:20]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform no, because magic rays too expensive. [01:20]
asciilifeform 'state privilege' [01:20]
cazalla mircea_popescu, author proudly displays his twitter url, but no email address, guess i'll have to dig [01:20]
pete_dushenski to whoever else runs 1broker, wd. [01:20]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski you know, one day you'll run into one of these claiming 2006. [01:20]
pete_dushenski and when that day comes, i'll learn not to trust anything random websites say [01:21]
asciilifeform '25 years of windows-2008 experience' [01:21]
PFate theres probably someone on linkedin with crypto(btc/ltc) claimed experience dating 2008 [01:21]
asciilifeform szabo ? [01:22]
pete_dushenski not that one can't have 20 years of 'digital cash' experience, it's just that... so what ? [01:22]
mircea_popescu poor substitute for being in wot. [01:23]
pete_dushenski matonis was on the edges of the thing back then [01:23]
mircea_popescu iirc we had a guy in here who claimed 546805806 years of precious metal guruism [01:23]
mircea_popescu the claim got reduced and reduced until it went away [01:23]
mircea_popescu didn't take much pressure, either. [01:23]
asciilifeform 546805806 years of << l0l! he had an uninitialized register or what. [01:24]
asciilifeform incremented until overflowed? [01:24]
mircea_popescu << yes. [01:24]
assbot Logged on 02-04-2015 22:51:59; asciilifeform: i probably should have specified this in the signed text [01:24]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i just replaced one random value with another. my register's wider than his. [01:24]
pete_dushenski PFate: anyhoo so what brings you by this fine evening ? [01:24]
PFate stalking [01:24]
PFate since the bryce interview, back traced to this chan [01:24]
mircea_popescu the tits are that way ---> [01:24]
PFate oh, sweet [01:25]
PFate but thats the edge of my desk [01:25]
mircea_popescu who the fuck stalks dudes [01:25]
PFate shitty comcast movies are on the other screen [01:25]
* asciilifeform will probably end up having to seppuku one day because did not specify 'do not use in reactors to power interstellar multigenerational flights' in some patch in '14 [01:25]
PFate i stalk persons of interest in my hobbies to see whats up [01:25]
PFate this year and last, crypto [01:25]
mircea_popescu << yeah qntra ppl. do we even care to get these ? [01:26]
assbot Logged on 02-04-2015 22:57:01; nubbins`: i floated a design, nobody was too fussy, nothing else suggested [01:26]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform no, i'll just end up stuck explaining why you shouldn't to angry mobs. [01:26]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo dude dat qntra. 0.00027399 vs 0.00028991 eh! [01:28]
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mircea_popescu also 104mn s.mpoe shares changed hands this month. [01:29]
mircea_popescu methinks institutionals got told a few words ? [01:29]
* asciilifeform just unpacked a laser printer/scanner/copier thingie and went 'wtf' because it weighs maybe half of what the dearly departed predecessor did. must be 95% corn plastic or sumthing [01:29]
asciilifeform i mean srsly, wut [01:29]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform oothecae walls structure. [01:30]
pete_dushenski i dunno if my monthly contributions qualify me for 'qntra ppl' but as cool as cards with just email and gpg would be, i'm not sure i'd have much use for them in the space of meat [01:30]
mircea_popescu use cockroach parts! they're great for the environment and weigh less! [01:30]
asciilifeform l0l [01:30]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski original deal was for a dozen, you;'d prolly make it [01:30]
asciilifeform the funny thing is that i've owned little laser printers since '90s, always almost precisely the same size, breadbox [01:31]
asciilifeform and they get lighter, lighter,.... [01:31]
mircea_popescu o.O [01:31]
assbot Logged on 03-04-2015 00:51:07; cazalla: who would've thought americans sit around drinking coffee discussing how much they dislike mircea_popescu [01:31]
asciilifeform i bet this one'd auger in if i sat on it. [01:31]
asciilifeform nay, stepped in it. [01:32]
mircea_popescu google produces [01:32]
assbot Logged on 03-04-2015 00:55:59; BingoBoingo: lol was Garrett Keirns Garr255 or the "Surf Captital Management" douche [01:32]
assbot These fucktards have to be immortalised, they're worse than Dr. Foreskin even pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [01:32]
mircea_popescu apparently the neobee "brick and mortar" 17 yo financiers. [01:32]
mircea_popescu also, i am not a cryptographer. [01:33]
asciilifeform i dunno if my monthly contributions qualify me for << wai wat was this [01:33]
PFate auger? [01:33]
asciilifeform auger. [01:33]
PFate that slang for collapse? [01:33]
PFate never heard it used outside building/drilling [01:33]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: aite well, if they're free to the magick dozen, i'd take mebbe 50 cards ? [01:34]
mircea_popescu iirc it was 250 ? [01:34]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform: qntra writing [01:34]
mircea_popescu look in teh log [01:34]
mircea_popescu dude srsly with this still ?! [01:35]
assbot Logged on 03-04-2015 00:58:09; nubbins`: “It never goes down!” says Bryce, referring to the BTC/UNO exchange rate. “That’s the thing people love about UNO. It never goes down.” [01:35]
pete_dushenski i saw it, just saying that i wouldn't make use of that many [01:35]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo "Preet Bharara's minions can be seen pleading to Judge Forrest that the terminally corrupted Baltimore investigation so how touches their investigation in no way." [01:36]
mircea_popescu so how wut. [01:36]
mircea_popescu << actually if someone was to pop in here and try to mine some lulz, they'd prolly pretend to be exactly someone like that, ie, marginal twitterhead or w/e. who else would they pretend to be. [01:37]
assbot Logged on 03-04-2015 01:29:27; Cogburn: oh cmon nobody is gonna pop in here and pretend to be me [01:37]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: fxd [01:37]
mircea_popescu << o.O wasn't thestringpuller rapping this like yest ? [01:38]
assbot Logged on 03-04-2015 01:31:12; cazalla: going by the article, you hate him because you ain't him [01:38]
mircea_popescu so he was [01:38]
assbot Ok, ok, you had me :D pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [01:38]
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cazalla mircea_popescu, lol yeah he was in the trilema comments, it's what sprung to mind at the time [01:39]
mircea_popescu meanwhile "wtf is cogburn" "it's a reference to a film you stopped because wtf is this stupid shit." [01:40]
mircea_popescu seriously, people actually watched that atrocity ? [01:40]
mircea_popescu twelve year old independent wild west girlie ? [01:41]
mircea_popescu shit that only happened on planet "i'm a fat fuckhead and i will daydream an alt-history in which women actually did shit" ? [01:41]
BingoBoingo Eh, she ends up an amputee, there's gotta be a niche for that [01:41]
mircea_popescu for the record : no child at that time would have fucking dared to open her stupid mouth for fear of a beating. [01:42]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: will daydream an alt-history << countess ada l. porn ? [01:42]
mircea_popescu which fear was pretty fucking actual. [01:42]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform there's this thing which seriously proposes that a texas ranger who took the trouble to hunt some outlaw all the way into wherever the fuck is even talking to some snotty brat. [01:42]
mircea_popescu boggles the mind. [01:42]
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mircea_popescu but not so far off hariezer fanfic. [01:43]
asciilifeform in porn, can cavort with platonic polyhedra if it tickles you. doesn't have to make sense in life... [01:43]
mircea_popescu it was a holywood "socialist realist" piece tho [01:43]
asciilifeform l0l! [01:43]
mircea_popescu well what are they ? [01:43]
asciilifeform money laundromats ? [01:44]
mircea_popescu all the unwatchable crud starting with the alt-gays (brokeback mountain) all through imaginary women that never happened, brave black slaves, what have you [01:44]
mircea_popescu it's socialist realism i tell you. [01:44]
asciilifeform Чапаев! [01:45]
mircea_popescu im looking forward to a remake of spartacus but set in south carolina [01:45]
mircea_popescu with an imaginary black leader dude that caused a countrywide revolt. [01:45]
mircea_popescu because this happened. [01:45]
asciilifeform [01:45]
assbot ... ( ) [01:45]
asciilifeform from other side of ocean. [01:45]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform nah, you're thinking the almost able to stand post-20s. [01:46]
mircea_popescu im thinking the 70s. [01:46]
asciilifeform or more egregiously, [01:49]
asciilifeform [01:49]
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asciilifeform ^ mega-genre-emblematic [01:50]
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asciilifeform 'why do you want to go to the revolution, kid?' 'to save the boy. the hero, about whom the song was.' 'will you fear a bullet?' 'no' 'will you fall for tricks?' 'no!' 'come on in' [01:53]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform honestly my first idea of socialist realism is very bad metal basreliefs. [01:54]
mircea_popescu cinema a distant 3rd [01:54]
asciilifeform bad metal - mandatory [01:55]
mircea_popescu ok this cartoon is on point. [01:55]
asciilifeform absolutely mandatory for genre students [01:55]
mircea_popescu quite exactly the spirit. [01:55]
mircea_popescu directly visible in the say "abstraction" of movements. [01:55]
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mircea_popescu very unabashed red/black coloring etc [01:56]
mircea_popescu it is MADE to be loved to death by simpletons. [01:56]
mircea_popescu the problem is some never outgrow it. [01:56]
mircea_popescu o fuck, frame in frame. defo. [01:57]
asciilifeform frame ? [01:57]
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mircea_popescu yes. pioneer kid at museum [01:58]
asciilifeform ah well yes. [01:58]
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mircea_popescu << this speaks to neither wot nor irl trust. [02:15]
assbot Logged on 03-04-2015 01:39:28; Cogburn: gamification of reputation is for people who can't give a good handshake or a warm, geniune smile when they meet someone. [02:15]
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mircea_popescu << well then you have no business here. [02:18]
assbot Logged on 03-04-2015 01:45:04; Cogburn: I think we can bullshit the current system by crypto inside of the existing rules and bring about real change. I do not believe in the decentralized anarcho-capitalist utopia as a world-spanning solution to our ills. I think people will live that way if the want to, but real freedom is the ability to say "no" [02:18]
mircea_popescu saves me a bunch of reading at any rate. [02:19]
asciilifeform i dont think that was even a living thing [02:19]
asciilifeform but a script. [02:19]
asciilifeform it elizad when i spoke to it. [02:19]
mircea_popescu sadly this is no longer much of a criteria. [02:19]
mircea_popescu try a barrista sometime and see. [02:19]
asciilifeform a wut [02:20]
BingoBoingo Thing apparently was living, but not very. Shell that seems most motivated to please whatever is on the other side of the screen whether it be Surf or what it imagines #b-a to be [02:20]
asciilifeform bartender? [02:20]
mircea_popescu chick that pours coffee. [02:20]
asciilifeform Ah [02:20]
mircea_popescu no, not bartender. coffeeshoptender. [02:20]
Chillum its like a spanish waiter [02:20]
Chillum lol [02:20]
mircea_popescu "Pretentious sounding word used by dejected art history and drama majors that describes their employment in order to make themselves feel better about serving coffee." [02:21]
mircea_popescu ud has it. [02:21]
asciilifeform l0l [02:21]
mircea_popescu they could call themselves gheishas for the same money. [02:21]
cazalla asciilifeform never heard of the fabled hipster barista [02:23]
asciilifeform over here the coffee is served 100% by uni students [02:23]
asciilifeform who else. [02:23]
mircea_popescu anyway, entire class of could-have-been bright young things that sound like eliza. [02:23]
mircea_popescu yes dude. those. [02:23]
Chillum my local coffee serving girl is rather bright [02:24]
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[]bot Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $150 before July" Odds: 21(Y):79(N) by coin, 22(Y):78(N) by weight. Total bet: 10.61572615 BTC. Current weight: 94,079. [02:27]
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asciilifeform 'Let’s use IBM as an example. As all business observers know, CEOs Lou Gerstner and Sam Palmisano did a superb job in moving IBM from near-bankruptcy twenty years ago to its prominence today. Their operational accomplishments were truly extraordinary.' (buffett '11) [02:33]
asciilifeform wtf?! [02:33]
asciilifeform ibm, the shrivelled husk? [02:33]
asciilifeform was that letter sent from paralleluniverse or wut [02:33]
mircea_popescu buffett pre 2000 is very different beast from buffett post 2001 [02:35]
mircea_popescu much like zimmerman or any other number of people. [02:35]
asciilifeform getting headcrabbed will do that. [02:36]
pete_dushenski buffett in [02:37]
pete_dushenski 1991 was on his game [02:37]
pete_dushenski then, bought hh brown, today... car dealerships [02:37]
pete_dushenski ;;seen brendafdez [02:38]
gribble brendafdez was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 1 day, 6 hours, 28 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: mircea_popescu it works now. Anyway the IP I'm on now is one of a public AP, it shouldnt be whitelisted. I'll later give you my home IP, and BingoBoingo has my VPS IP already. I didn't know you were filtering. [02:38]
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ben_vulpes << curious to know if this ever happened [03:41]
assbot Logged on 26-02-2014 21:59:17; mike_c: their prospectus says they are going to make 6,000 btc in 2014. so quarterly dividend would be.. [03:41]
ben_vulpes hey robert viragh fuck off quit emailing me. [03:41]
mircea_popescu lmao [03:43]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes it never made any money. at all. [03:44]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: tee hee i know [03:44]
mircea_popescu aok [03:44]
ben_vulpes more ribbing nubbins`, really [03:44]
mircea_popescu nubbins ?! how's he involved [03:45]
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ben_vulpes read the linked thread! [03:45]
mircea_popescu the part about adding things to his highlights ? or the part about shewpherd pie ? [03:46]
ben_vulpes the whole log section is hilarious - some twenty lines in each direction [03:46]
ben_vulpes nubbins` going on about hif, steak, puss... [03:46]
ben_vulpes old logs are a trip, i guess. [03:47]
mircea_popescu kinda why we even have them. [03:47]
ben_vulpes << hear hear [03:47]
assbot Logged on 03-04-2015 02:19:43; asciilifeform: Cogburn: RIAA project << i for one would only pay even a penny for something riaa-related if it somehow -takes away- at least the same penny from riaa et al. [03:47]
mircea_popescu i suppose "innovation" in the superficial sense in current usage has come to this, that it's barely a proxy for shock value. they ran out of "innovative" alts and now are hoping for interest out of the patently ridiculous. [03:48]
mircea_popescu "o ya ? well my alt is about dead weasels!" [03:49]
ben_vulpes << one of the things i admire about you, asciilifeform, is your charming ability to paint just the most desolate picture of anyone's future for them. [03:49]
assbot Logged on 03-04-2015 02:21:25; asciilifeform: the other thing is the political nuance here. when you do business with riaa etc. you are banking that 2025 will contain a world where riaa and the usg it is an affiliate of - are still in business [03:49]
mircea_popescu "that doesn't make any sense" "But it's got you talking about it!" "only briefly" "yeah well that's a lot more than the other 93875937394 guys manage" [03:49]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes imagine what it's like to be his girlfriend. [03:50]
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ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: i like to complain as much as the next jew, but these russians! [03:54]
mircea_popescu why do you think they kept the jews beyond the pale. [03:54]
ben_vulpes they're so down they make *you* want to kill yourself! [03:54]
mircea_popescu and notice he's not even really russian. imagine if he stayed in odessa. [03:54]
ben_vulpes ya christ [03:55]
mircea_popescu which EVEN THEN wouldn't have been REALLY russian. [03:55]
mircea_popescu two degrees of soparation here. [03:55]
ben_vulpes well, eu that part of the world more than us. [03:55]
ben_vulpes hm what part of russia is he from? [03:56]
ben_vulpes well, "russia" [03:56]
mircea_popescu the ukraine :D [03:56]
ben_vulpes hurr durr ustard dun no geograpfiez [03:56]
mircea_popescu you know, like "what part of the us is nubs from ?" [03:56]
ben_vulpes :( [03:57]
ben_vulpes i know nothinggggg [03:57]
mircea_popescu yeah, how do you even jack off [03:57]
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mircea_popescu i bet you need a woman even for that. [03:57]
ben_vulpes death by embarrass [03:57]
mircea_popescu lol [03:57]
mircea_popescu hm, reading back... you probably didn't even pick the pale reference didja. [03:59]
ben_vulpes i thought that was a british/irish thing. [03:59]
mircea_popescu ;;google pale of settlement [03:59]
gribble Pale of Settlement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; The Pale of Settlement | Jewish Virtual Library: ; YIVO | Pale of Settlement: [03:59]
ben_vulpes shit jesus [03:59]
mircea_popescu ah this has been top log. [03:59]
ben_vulpes i am actually a horrible jew [04:00]
ben_vulpes all i care about is rockets [04:00]
mircea_popescu lol [04:00]
ben_vulpes you know, like "what part of the us is nubs from ?" << bad example. canada is just unannexed right now. [04:01]
mircea_popescu so it's a good example. [04:02]
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pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: have you never seen fiddler on the roof ? movie or play ? [04:23]
pete_dushenski it's the token charicature of 'the pale' [04:23]
pete_dushenski aaaand just-as-eyes-close-scoop: [04:24]
assbot Aligning incentives. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( ) [04:24]
pete_dushenski bon soir a tous! [04:24]
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mircea_popescu the movie's actually pretty good. [04:33]
mircea_popescu "if wealth is a curse... well then may god strike me down with it! and may i never recover!" [04:33]
mircea_popescu "Just as it is the way of an ape to imitate humans, so too, a person, when he has become old, imitates himself, and does what was his manner previously." [04:43]
mircea_popescu there asciilifeform, i found you in the rishonim discussion of buffet's plight in the kotzker rebbe. [04:45]
mircea_popescu hmm, lemme restate. [04:45]
mircea_popescu there asciilifeform, i found you rishonim precedent in the kotzker rebbe discussion of buffet's plight. [04:45]
mircea_popescu dat semitic word order ffs. [04:45]
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BingoBoingo cooperate, civility determined unnecessary [05:02]
assbot Essay on the thoughts of community college curmudgeons and how to engage them @insidehighered ... ( ) [05:02]
BingoBoingo "Maybe if they’d listen to us curmudgeons once in a while, rather than trying to shut us up, community colleges wouldn’t be in the shape many of us are today: taking unconscionable amounts of students’ loan eligibility and seeing them leave when it runs out, as illiterate/innumerate as they were when they got here. No one wants us to talk about that, though." [05:05]
mircea_popescu sure. and maybe if the people trying to bail out the titanic were faster with it... [05:06]
BingoBoingo I like how the author misses the obvious conclusion, the curmudgeons were right the whole time [05:07]
mircea_popescu [05:08]
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mircea_popescu dat spelling. [05:09]
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scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: [05:11]
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mircea_popescu jurov the idea being that putin didn't write himself a piece of paper saying "hey if i don't like you it's ok to take your stuff". or if he wrote, he didn't sign. or if he signed, he didn't publish. etc. [10:53]
mircea_popescu not that he wouldn't, mind you. [10:53]
danielpbarron height=310563 vs height=219979 [11:03]
Chillum geez, my client is up to Nov 2014 and it says it is at 70% complete. Is 30% of the blockchain volume really since November?: [11:04]
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mircea_popescu Chillum yes. [11:10]
Chillum wow that is some increase in volume [11:11]
mircea_popescu people, the sort who imagine themselves "part of the community" for no reason, not being able to pass even the minimal qual of running a node, have nfi just how heavy 1mb blocks are [11:11]
mircea_popescu note that they're almost never full, either. [11:11]
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Chillum the percent of people who run a rull node will continue to drop [11:13]
Chillum s/rull/run/ [11:14]
nubbins` ^ [11:14]
mircea_popescu the % yes. [11:15]
mircea_popescu necessarily, as something becomes "popular" the percentage of imbeciles increases. [11:15]
mircea_popescu just look at "computer programming" [11:16]
Chillum any system will have to live with imbeciles [11:16]
Chillum on Earth at least [11:16]
mircea_popescu live with, sure. [11:16]
mircea_popescu make it possible for imbeciles to live with it, not really. [11:16]
mircea_popescu so apparently this chick wanted to open a coinbase account. they told her to make a blog, as part of their newer, friendlier KYC regulations. so she did. here it is : [11:17]
assbot Mandy-Claire Swanson ... ( ) [11:17]
mircea_popescu tru story. [11:17]
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Chillum sooo know your customers is now extended to learning about their hobbies and personality? [11:18]
Chillum what does a blog accomplish? [11:18]
Chillum anyone can make a fake one [11:18]
Chillum I prefer KFC to KYC [11:18]
mircea_popescu i don't think anyone could have made a fake this one. [11:18]
Chillum I have only met a few of my customers, I do NOT want to know them [11:19]
mircea_popescu tough. [11:20]
Chillum the general population has a strong tendency for crazies [11:20]
mircea_popescu it's the law Chillum ! [11:20]
Chillum in Canada you don't need to ip a tx is under $3k a day and under $10K in a year [11:21]
Chillum s/ip/id/ [11:21]
mircea_popescu << epic. i wish to see how this drachma goes. [11:21]
assbot Logged on 03-04-2015 08:54:21; assbot: Greece draws up drachma plans, prepares to miss IMF payment - Telegraph ... ( ) [11:21]
mircea_popescu maybe next they can leech some money off the russians for a while, making promises ? [11:21]
mircea_popescu Chillum what do you mean "in canada" [11:22]
Chillum Greece, those guys were buying gold coins from me more than the whole rest of the world combined during their bailout [11:22]
Chillum It is a big country that I live in [11:22]
mircea_popescu us first best only country. [11:23]
Chillum us? [11:23]
nubbins` a [11:23]
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nubbins` canada isn't really a country so much as it is a collection of geographically and culturally disparate regions [11:24]
nubbins` take chillum, myself, and a quebecois [11:24]
nubbins` probably our only common threads are that we like poutine and smoke trees [11:24]
Chillum poutine is gross. Sorry, but it is [11:25]
Chillum perhaps they just make it bad around here, but the french guys love it [11:25]
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nubbins` most poutine around here is totally bastardized [11:25]
nubbins` stretch mozza instead of curds [11:25]
mircea_popescu !up gabridome [11:25]
-assbot- You voiced gabridome for 30 minutes. [11:25]
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nubbins` with real curds and a thick gravy on some home fries, it's divine [11:26]
Chillum the fries always are soggy, I like crispy fries [11:26]
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nubbins` see? nothing in common [11:26]
nubbins` totally culturally disparate [11:26]
Chillum Vancouver Island is a culture of its own [11:26]
nubbins` so is newfoundland island [11:27]
Chillum we are a mosaic, not a melting pot. We want disparite cultures [11:27]
nubbins` for those of you who do not grasp the size of canada, europe is closer to me than vancouver is [11:27]
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Chillum and the 15% of it to the south west has nice weather for several months a year [11:28]
nubbins` in fact, romania is closer to me than vancouver [11:28]
Chillum I always love it when the weather channel is showing ice storms out east and that we have daffodils blooming on the Island [11:28]
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nubbins` heh [11:29]
nubbins` it was 12C here three days ago [11:29]
nubbins` yesterday: snow [11:29]
Chillum of course every winter all the homeless from out east come to victoria/vancover to live [11:29]
mircea_popescu "Greece no longer has enough money to pay the IMF €498m on April 9, and also to cover payments for salaries and social security on April 14" [11:29]
mircea_popescu herp. [11:29]
Chillum they have plenty of gold [11:29]
nubbins` Chillum and every summer they come back to st john's :D [11:29]
nubbins` ah, the seasonal homeless [11:29]
mircea_popescu Chillum greece is the main example of a certain way to run a country, which is : make promises to whatever power, then not keep the promises see what it does. [11:30]
mircea_popescu italy was run this way pretty much 500ad - 2015 ad. [11:30]
Chillum yup. They are handling the global currency collapse in a very tactical manner [11:30]
mircea_popescu ocasionally the hre would come over, the local whores (ie, married women) fucked the soldiers raw. [11:30]
nubbins` sign a lease, move out a month early and leave 35 bags worth of trash behind [11:30]
Chillum we don't give them places to live [11:31]
mircea_popescu not even. sign the lease, expect leasor to buy you drinks at the bar, sublet the place to a bunch of other dudes, never pay a dime in rent [11:31]
Chillum finding a place to live around here is hard even for a local [11:31]
mircea_popescu THEN leave, two months late and leave dead hookers in the matresses. [11:31]
Chillum we have almost no vacancies here [11:31]
nubbins` vacancy was below 1% here for a while [11:31]
nubbins` market's cooling off now [11:31]
Chillum If you want a place you basically have to wait for the university to let out, so once a year [11:32]
nubbins` or around the new year when all the first-year students flunk out [11:32]
nubbins` but who wants to move in winter? [11:32]
mircea_popescu “We may have to go into a silent arrears process" << check it out, they have a word for it and everything! [11:32]
nubbins` silent arrears [11:32]
nubbins` i like that [11:32]
mircea_popescu nonono [11:33]
nubbins` "we won't tell anyone when the money is gone" [11:33]
Chillum is that like a silent fart? [11:33]
mircea_popescu you don't understand. A silent arrears PROCESS. [11:33]
nubbins` o o o! [11:33]
nubbins` my focus was diverted [11:33]
mircea_popescu you see ? a! like, there are others, this is just one of a class! [11:33]
mircea_popescu and it's a process! [11:33]
nubbins` dat process [11:33]
mircea_popescu not a state or anything, phenomena baby. [11:33]
nubbins` i bet they have a "roadmap" [11:33]
mircea_popescu o, obviously. [11:33]
nubbins` 1) use all moniez [11:33]
mircea_popescu i dunno who the overgrown infants think they're fooling, [11:33]
mircea_popescu but it must be someone. [11:33]
nubbins` 2) ??? [11:34]
nubbins` 3) profit! [11:34]
mircea_popescu anyway, i kinda like the way this works. [11:34]
mircea_popescu basically, in the 70s stupid dudes in government decided to force men to pay for stupid women in the house. [11:34]
mircea_popescu the process took a few decades to come to roost, but now stupid countries are behaving comensurate with that. [11:35]
mircea_popescu so... i suppose the us, germany and whoever else has money must pay for the house where greece fucks random dudes and "raises the children" [11:35]
mircea_popescu it's teh law! [11:35]
mircea_popescu and, obviously, the "welfare of the children" is the chief concern. [11:36]
mircea_popescu so, payup. [11:36]
nubbins` bbl [11:36]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform incidentally, this greek stuff is a fine test of the whole array of lizard hitler theory. clearly he couldn't possibly allow this, right ? when's the last time someone defaulted to the britton woods system ? when's the last time a government said fu, we're not going to do what you want us to do so we fail electorally ? [11:40]
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Chillum longing for the days of feudalism? [11:43]
Chillum back then if you could not manage a land it was given to someone else [11:43]
mircea_popescu i don't think feudalism is avoidable since internet. [11:44]
mircea_popescu << srs, hang people for that ? it's just fucking design. [11:44]
assbot Logged on 03-04-2015 11:47:21; nubbins`: mine's "people who charge big money for graphic design when they're clearly unqualified to do so, resulting in either sad clients or more work for the printer" [11:44]
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mircea_popescu next you're going to want to hang badly dressed women, and then where will we be. [11:44]
Chillum when more complex forms of government fail it always reverts to a simpler form [11:44]
Chillum it seems current government and monetary policies seek to be intentionally complex to avoid understanding of it [11:45]
mircea_popescu Chillum a) feudalism is the most complex form to date b) democracy hasn't failed, it succeeded. like communism. turns out nobody can stand its final form. [11:45]
mircea_popescu mebbe see [11:45]
assbot Why "representative democracy" doesn't work and doesn't make sense pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [11:45]
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mircea_popescu !up cnerd [12:05]
-assbot- You voiced cnerd for 30 minutes. [12:05]
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mircea_popescu shoot. [12:06]
cnerd yea, ok, awesome [12:06]
cnerd I see that you have encountered these dudes DD4BC some time ago [12:06]
mircea_popescu !s dd4bc [12:06]
assbot 1 results for 'dd4bc' : [12:06]
mircea_popescu weirdly this rings no bells. [12:07]
cnerd let me remind you :) [12:07]
cnerd [12:07]
assbot The lulz of today : DDoS attacks, ransom notes, Tor anonimity and other faits d'armes of the retarded generation on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [12:07]
mircea_popescu o wait, with the ddos. ok ok. [12:08]
cnerd yea, same dude(s). So, what happened, did they follow up with a more serious attack afterwards? [12:08]
mircea_popescu not that i'm specifically aware. probably, at least tried. [12:08]
cnerd so, nothing serious, i guess? They gave up pretty fast, didnt they? [12:09]
mircea_popescu well, it's not so cut and dried. the thing is inequality online is readily misrepresented because things appear for no good reason as very equalitarian. take the much related fetlife debacle (here : ) [12:11]
assbot trilema fetlife butthurt - Google zoeken ... ( ) [12:11]
mircea_popescu so they sent a bs complaint, i replied, they sent a dmca, i counternotified, they went away beaten. [12:11]
mircea_popescu would they have done the same if i didn't have a lawyer ready to sue ? no. had the dc been more scared of me than of them if i hadn't etc ? no. [12:11]
mircea_popescu so, it can be very serious or not serious at all depending on who you are. [12:12]
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mircea_popescu do you own your servers which you colocate ? do you rent time on a shared server ? these things matter. [12:12]
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cnerd I pretty much understand what you are saying. Thanks for your time, man, you were incredibly helpful [12:13]
mircea_popescu they happen to matter a whole of a heck more than whether you're either right or reasonable, as it happens. [12:13]
mircea_popescu np. [12:13]
asciilifeform ;;later tell nubbins` can't felch it from the OS at runtime? << os does not know your external ip, if you are behind a nat. as, e.g., a pogo is overwhelmingly likely to be. [12:14]
gribble The operation succeeded. [12:14]
mircea_popescu you know incidentally this fucking sucks. [12:14]
mircea_popescu artifexd baby we need that thing so we can use it as a model to make a new dhcp too! [12:14]
asciilifeform there asciilifeform, i found you rishonim precedent in the kotzker rebbe discussion of buffet's plight. << anybody have a talmud handy ? [12:15]
asciilifeform scanner bed probably lexan instead of glass, etc << nah it was glass. but the whole rest of the thing appear to be plastic, except for a few pins and motor casings. [12:15]
mircea_popescu okok. rishonim as opposed to achronim, modern commentary as opposed to ancient. and the kotzker guy is just some famous rabbi. [12:16]
asciilifeform asciilifeform incidentally, this greek stuff is a fine test of the whole array of lizard hitler theory. clearly he couldn't possibly allow this, right ? when's the last time someone defaulted << greece et al are resource-burners. like wherever it was that '30s u.s. farmers burned wheat and poured out milk into latrines. the paper serfdom that results from the eventual 're-creditation' of the delinquent debtors [12:17]
asciilifeform is just a bonus. [12:17]
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artifexd A dhcp? [12:17]
mircea_popescu yes. [12:17]
mircea_popescu universal ip, as a sha512 hash. no more of this "os doesn't know its ip" bs. [12:18]
asciilifeform ipv6-style ? [12:18]
mircea_popescu who the fuck thought that's even a workable scheme... [12:18]
asciilifeform which? [12:18]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform no. ipv6 is fatally flawed in that it has no wot. [12:18]
asciilifeform well sure [12:18]
mircea_popescu the ipv4. [12:18]
asciilifeform ipv4 works other than the no-wot aspect [12:19]
mircea_popescu lmao [12:19]
asciilifeform 'this cow is great except that it was bombed at guernica and doesn't look much like a cow any more' [12:19]
mircea_popescu you mean ipv4 works other than the "it doesn't allow every idiot online" aspect. gotta keep it under 10 mn or so. [12:19]
asciilifeform aha. [12:20]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform re greece, i see that they're resource burners. that's not the q. [12:20]
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mircea_popescu the q is, they just made a claim to sovereignity. [12:20]
asciilifeform they can make a claim to being martians with telepathic powers. my answer is answer to why no one comes in with bulldozer and whore cages [12:21]
mircea_popescu i don't see how it answers that ? [12:21]
asciilifeform they do exactly what is expected of'em. [12:22]
mircea_popescu there is after all a difference between farmer burning his own crop and guy going and burning other people's things. [12:22]
asciilifeform sorta like u.s. credit card chumps [12:22]
mircea_popescu well yes but this can be said universally of anyone. [12:22]
asciilifeform when other people helpfully bring you their things to burn [12:22]
mircea_popescu seems to me a misrepresentation of the situation. [12:23]
asciilifeform last i checked, greek panzers weren't overrunning germany and collecting all that isn't screwed down [12:23]
mircea_popescu the imf didn't give them money so as not to get it back. [12:23]
mircea_popescu so they're fraudsters rather than thieves ? [12:23]
asciilifeform aha [12:23]
mircea_popescu undisputed, but what does it help. [12:23]
asciilifeform but the symbiotic fraud described by orlov et al [12:23]
mircea_popescu all conmen ever claim to live at the pleasure of the king, of course. [12:23]
mircea_popescu but... they do not in fact. [12:23]
asciilifeform the other function of feeding the greeks is to prevent them from coming up for islamic fire sale like they did last time. [12:24]
mircea_popescu how come nobody is lending the ukraine 100 bn then ? [12:24]
mircea_popescu they could waste it better than the greeks their 20. [12:24]
asciilifeform they did, and did! [12:24]
mircea_popescu nah, they got some pittance, bn and half. [12:25]
asciilifeform not quite 100 [12:25]
asciilifeform aha [12:25]
asciilifeform why does one u.s. idiot get a 50K 'platinum' while another a 0.5K 'turd' ? [12:25]
asciilifeform same idea [12:25]
mircea_popescu anyway, i think putin is having string orgasms. imagine, greece in a compact with russia! sub bases ALL THROUGH THE ISLANDS. [12:25]
mircea_popescu ru navy staff is probably all drunk today [12:26]
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mircea_popescu worst mission in the history of armed forces. "here are some fjords. find the subs. ALL OF THEM." [12:26]
punkman they are probably waiting until the US bases run out of money [12:27]
mircea_popescu unless they can find a way to run them in a vms or something. [12:27]
mircea_popescu from a greek perspective, switching bases every 10 years would be the best outcome, they can hire poor polacks to manage for the construction work. [12:28]
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punkman ah they are gonna pay after all [12:31]
assbot Greece says ready to make IMF payment on April 9 [12:31]
mircea_popescu is that actual or reuters confabulating [12:32]
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mircea_popescu "Mr. Theocharakis never characterized the technical teams of the institutions with the phrase attributed to him," the ministry said in a statement. "On the contrary ... he referred to them as saying they include 'top-notch people with impressive skills.'" [12:33]
mircea_popescu alol k. "and then the greek word for hot sexy teen was mistranslated by the hebrew word for baren ugly old hag!" [12:34]
punkman heh [12:34]
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assbot best of craigslist: Disk Ripper for sale ... ( ) [12:39]
trinque << have to censor the internet because of the Anarchist's Cookbook... what year is it?!?! [12:40]
assbot FBI Uncovers Another Of Its Own Plots, Senator Feinstein Responds By Saying We Should Censor The Internet | Techdirt ... ( ) [12:40]
Chillum Senators are funny [12:41]
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mircea_popescu "we" ? what fucking we. [12:50]
mircea_popescu there's no we. scammers always start with this "we" business. [12:50]
Chillum we are not amused [12:54]
asciilifeform the mega-l0l of 'cookbook' is that it was usg-authored originally. [13:01]
asciilifeform (though i cannot say whether the most supremely ludicrous recipes, like the 'banana dope', date to the original authorship or not) [13:02]
asciilifeform ^ the l0l from trinque's link [13:04]
assbot Two New York City women accused of planning 'terrorist attack' - Yahoo News ... ( ) [13:04]
asciilifeform so they're doing gurlz now. [13:05]
asciilifeform that, i suppose, is new. [13:05]
Chillum soon you will have to take your bra off in airports [13:05]
* Chillum needs the support! [13:05]
asciilifeform the day of the first uterus bomb approaches. [13:06]
trinque asciilifeform: I knew a kid in junior high who was convinced the banana peel thing was real [13:06]
trinque fuckin moron he was [13:06]
asciilifeform trinque: he tested ? [13:06]
trinque I think he tried to rot some banana peels, yeah [13:06]
trinque or whatever the procedure was [13:06]
Chillum I imagine smoking most plant matter will do _something_ [13:06]
Chillum if only make you dizzy [13:07]
trinque probably inhaling sand would make you a bit dizzy [13:07]
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asciilifeform 'The women, former roommates in the city borough of Queens, had researched how to build an explosive device and had read textbooks on electricity and watched online videos about soldering, it said.' [13:08]
asciilifeform soldering! [13:08]
asciilifeform burn the witches. [13:08]
asciilifeform 'When they were arrested, agents found bomb-building materials including propane gas tanks, soldering tools, pipes, a pressure cooker and fertilizer, authorities said.' [13:08]
asciilifeform ^ how many folks on my street qualify to join these gurlz in the jail. [13:09]
trinque sounds like an average suburban shed [13:10]
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Chillum reading textbooks! [13:10]
asciilifeform watched online videos about soldering ! [13:10]
nubbins` i think all this uint stuff is just a symptom of our boost installs being totally hosed [13:10]
asciilifeform nubbins`: uses same boost as my original portatronic [13:11]
asciilifeform nubbins`: which worked flawlessly on my boxes [13:11]
nubbins` sure, i mean i don't think it's putting itself together properly [13:11]
nubbins` check this out [13:11]
nubbins` [13:11]
assbot ... ( ) [13:11]
nubbins` that was my latest, right? after i applied the kill int and dns snip patches [13:11]
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nubbins` but notice how each error lists /home/nubs/dev/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/ourlibs/include/boost/cstdint.hpp:263 [13:12]
asciilifeform nubbins`: this is a -result- of my int patch [13:12]
nubbins` o [13:12]
asciilifeform it doesn't really fix things [13:12]
nubbins` anyway, i actually went into cstdint.hpp and replaced a few uint32_t instances with boost::uint32_t [13:12]
nubbins` and now when i run ./, i get: [13:12]
asciilifeform because what ends up happening is that the uints end up being undefined in at least one place -without- the patch, but -defined more than once- if -with- [13:12]
nubbins` [13:13]
assbot ... ( ) [13:13]
nubbins` i'm admittedly out of my league here but that's complete vomit from 9 different orifices [13:14]
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nubbins` ah fuck [13:19]
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nubbins` no, that's not the right way to do it at all [13:20]
nubbins` hold on now [13:20]
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mircea_popescu lmao electricity and soldering. [13:21]
mircea_popescu fascinating just how ignorant muricans are these days. [13:21]
mike_c because the average ____ knows how to solder? [13:22]
mircea_popescu i would expect ? [13:22]
mircea_popescu the average romanian knows how to solder. [13:22]
mircea_popescu what's to know, even. and don't give me the ny longshoreman's union line. [13:23]
mike_c not much to know, but it's not genetic. [13:23]
mike_c gotta learn sometime [13:23]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: average ro gurl knows ? [13:24]
mircea_popescu yeah, generally when dad's tinkering in garage. [13:25]
mircea_popescu no, average gurl can make goulash. [13:25]
mircea_popescu "The complaint said Siddiqui had been in contact with al Qaeda members and Velentzas was Facebook friends with Tairod Pugh, a U.S. Air Force veteran charged with attempting to aid Islamic State, a militant group that holds territory in Iraq and Syria. Pugh, 47, of Neptune, New Jersey, pleaded not guilty last month." [13:25]
mircea_popescu they pleaded!!!! [13:25]
mircea_popescu ah the adorbs imbecility of the english speaker. [13:25]
mircea_popescu inb4 pleaderated. [13:25]
ben_vulpes pleadarasty [13:26]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: and i don't think they even have peine forte et dure any more, in the english lands. [13:26]
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nubbins` total noob q here, why does boost redefine all these stdint types anyway [13:33]
asciilifeform nubbins`: because it was written by pig-men [13:40]
nubbins` lel. [13:41]
nubbins` y'know debian etc are probably just assuming one definition or the other [13:41]
nubbins` rather than halting at the ambiguity [13:41]
nubbins` if you wanna play whack-a-mole, here's a start: [13:42]
trinque when presented with an ambiguous choice, always best to choose arbitrarily [13:42]
assbot ... ( ) [13:42]
trinque lol [13:42]
nubbins` the correct way would i guess be to rip the boost namespace out of there [13:42]
nubbins` and explicitly declare it when needed [13:42]
nubbins` but i can imagine this'd be a bit of a task [13:43]
nubbins` unless there's a pressing need to use non-boost types, it's prob fine to just explicitly use the boost ones. not like the libs aren't being included anyway [13:44]
asciilifeform nubbins`: except then the non-boost libs cough and die [13:46]
asciilifeform what must be discovered is - why this happens during this static build [13:47]
asciilifeform and not otherwise. [13:47]
asciilifeform my present hypothesis is that gcc is making 'unprincipled exceptions' for stdint. [13:47]
asciilifeform (see earlier thread.) [13:47]
nubbins` incidentally, there ARE other declarations of uint32_t in those files [13:48]
asciilifeform but they presumably agree with one another [13:48]
nubbins` they all appear to have the boost:: prefix except for the couple of instances in above patch [13:48]
asciilifeform (and with libs) [13:48]
nubbins` why these random couple of instances don't have boost:: is beyond me [13:48]
asciilifeform that -or- gcc simply doesn't get there [13:48]
asciilifeform dies before they get evaluated. [13:48]
asciilifeform this is another aspect of 'c/cpp ecosystem' that rattles nerves [13:49]
nubbins` seems weird you'd fall back to the non-boost version for these couple of random instances. [13:49]
asciilifeform you -don't actually ever know- if the barf you now have is the -total- barf. [13:49]
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nubbins` oh there's that. [13:53]
asciilifeform jurov: aha yes there is, look. [13:53]
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asciilifeform trinque: that indictment is pure gold [14:07]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: qntra ^ ? [14:07]
jurov you mean such decrees as this? [14:09]
assbot Logged on 03-04-2015 13:48:47; mircea_popescu: jurov the idea being that putin didn't write himself a piece of paper saying "hey if i don't like you it's ok to take your stuff". or if he wrote, he didn't sign. or if he signed, he didn't publish. etc. [14:09]
assbot Putin decree targets elite’s foreign assets ... ( ) [14:09]
asciilifeform jurov: if you were king you would let sc4mz0rz squirrel away the nation's wealth in american banks ? [14:10]
mircea_popescu "into the country’s top-level bureaucrats and state employees " [14:10]
mircea_popescu see the difference ? [14:10]
mircea_popescu confiscating the bureaucracy's "money" is not even on the table. [14:10]
mircea_popescu anything anyone owns on the grounds of having interacted with a government is to be taken outright. [14:10]
jurov lol, you have never interacted with the govt? [14:12]
mircea_popescu nope. [14:12]
jurov or anyone in the US had? [14:12]
mircea_popescu that's their problem. [14:12]
mircea_popescu but no, i never cashed a govt paycheck. [14:12]
mircea_popescu which is why i don't have to report my fortune etc. [14:12]
jurov you ever paid any taxes? [14:12]
mircea_popescu all the time. [14:12]
jurov and that's not "having interacted"? [14:13]
mircea_popescu not what i meant eh. [14:13]
asciilifeform anything anyone owns on the grounds of having interacted [14:13]
asciilifeform owns [14:13]
asciilifeform not 'lost' [14:13]
asciilifeform perhaps converse is to be inserted as well - anything that one -lost- from interacting with government, ought to be returned. [14:14]
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asciilifeform except thermodynamics gets in the way [14:14]
asciilifeform they long ate and shat it. [14:14]
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Chillum feed it to the mushrooms [14:14]
Chillum feed them shit, keep them in the dark [14:14]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i can see a plan to have everyone who ever worked for a government shipped to the salt mines until the whole sum is made back. [14:15]
mircea_popescu "here's how much you group of criminals owe. the pay is X an hour. get busy." [14:15]
jurov aha. and why it's so important that putin "didn't write", but just takes as he seems fit without elaborating on paper? [14:15]
mircea_popescu because rule of law jurov. [14:15]
mircea_popescu it's one thing to be a thief, it's another to pretend not to be a thief. [14:15]
mircea_popescu which is why i write about people like bfl on trilema, but not about any one of the countless heists. [14:16]
asciilifeform jurov: what thing of yours did mr p take? i'd like to hear the full story here [14:16]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform well how'd he know. [14:16]
jurov alf whines all the time about as if obama took something from him.. so i'm trying to compare [14:17]
asciilifeform jurov: mr o takes half of what i make. [14:17]
asciilifeform and then some [14:17]
asciilifeform and will probably sign my hanging papers eventually [14:17]
mircea_popescu they have taxes in russia too don';t they ? [14:18]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 15% flat [14:18]
asciilifeform FLAT [14:18]
asciilifeform last i checked. [14:18]
mircea_popescu ya ya, except if you become an "oligarch", then they invent imaginary arears and steal your shit. [14:18]
trinque asciilifeform: what has you so convinced your head is going to roll? [14:18]
asciilifeform which 'oligarch' didn't steal 'his' money from the public in ru ? [14:18]
asciilifeform during 'privatization' [14:18]
mircea_popescu entirely different story. [14:18]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not different at all. anything anyone owns on the grounds of having interacted with a government is to be taken outright. [14:19]
mircea_popescu "steal from the public" is what, microsoft ? jp manufacturer of resistors ? [14:19]
asciilifeform how did the dekulakized folks in ru make their dough ? [14:19]
mircea_popescu well, the papers show they bought and sold. [14:19]
mircea_popescu this is fine. [14:19]
mircea_popescu they didn't, yoiu know, take employment with the govt. [14:20]
asciilifeform 'bought' for fire sale price from dead lion [14:20]
mircea_popescu and so... [14:20]
mircea_popescu not their problem. [14:20]
asciilifeform as crown concession from new regime [14:20]
asciilifeform crown gave - crown took. [14:20]
mircea_popescu also not their problem. [14:20]
mircea_popescu mno. [14:20]
mircea_popescu if i buy something from you, you're not "taking" it. [14:20]
asciilifeform if i'm only 'selling' for a penny because you torched my house the day before - then yes, took. [14:20]
mircea_popescu these are unequal things. commerce is between equal parties. employment is between unequal parties. [14:20]
mircea_popescu it makes no difference. don't want to sell, don't sell. [14:21]
asciilifeform the commerce between the arsonist and his victim is not commerce. [14:21]
mircea_popescu otherwise we'll start having to take back the ilk of shrem because hey, "they torched his house". [14:21]
mircea_popescu you still don't fucking sign. [14:21]
mircea_popescu once you've settled, you've settled. [14:21]
asciilifeform i mean i get the basic idea, 'to the victor - the spoils, to the vanqushed - the tears' [14:22]
mircea_popescu it's just, unlike things are and remain unlike. [14:22]
asciilifeform but what's with the dress-up games. if tomorrow yesterday's victor and vanquished switch places - the former doesn't get to whine about 'violations' [14:22]
asciilifeform same right of might as his original rape [14:22]
mircea_popescu depends on how the stuff was formalised. [14:22]
asciilifeform except the cock's on the other pudenda now. [14:22]
mircea_popescu which is what rule of law is all about. [14:23]
mircea_popescu if tomorrow it is discovered bharara was acting under mere color of law, [14:23]
mircea_popescu the people who didn't sign a confession walk [14:23]
mircea_popescu the people who did sign a confession stay in. [14:23]
asciilifeform if the law gets scrapped and re-written every time the throne changes hands - what is the law ? [14:23]
mircea_popescu that really has no bearing on the case here. [14:23]
Chillum If I was involved in the formation of a new regime I would institute a policy of mercy on the old regime. If only because any new regime is likely to be taken over by the next [14:23]
Chillum want to set a precedent [14:23]
mircea_popescu Chillum it's a stupider idea than you realise. [14:24]
* mats slaps forehead [14:24]
asciilifeform Chillum: we all get eaten by worms in the end. why not start now. right ? [14:24]
asciilifeform l0l [14:24]
Chillum I intend to be eaten by wolves [14:24]
mircea_popescu consider the matter in terms you're better equipped to handle. if, upon breaking up a girl with her former boyfriend, you institute a policy that she may fuck him whenever, [14:24]
mats kill yourself [14:24]
mircea_popescu you're merely stating that you're not really the new boyfriend. [14:24]
trinque maybe Chillum is referring to what happened in Iraq for example, where former baathists end up in ISIS [14:24]
asciilifeform mats: he can't, no wolf in sight yet [14:24]
mircea_popescu they'll revert and you'll be out of the loop soon enough. [14:24]
Chillum trinque: ^^ [14:24]
Chillum yup [14:24]
Chillum plan for failure [14:25]
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mircea_popescu if you plan for failure, go home. [14:25]
mats ought to have properly executed every last baathist. [14:25]
Chillum failure to plan for failure is the ultimate failure [14:25]
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mircea_popescu ha. you and what army mats ? [14:25]
trinque "they" "should" [14:25]
trinque the them! [14:25]
asciilifeform anyone recall the folk tale where the headsman is ordered to chop own head ? [14:25]
mircea_popescu oic. yes, they should. and they actually do. [14:25]
mircea_popescu part of why isis seems respectable where the usarmy does not. [14:26]
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asciilifeform i'll respect when they build so much as one mosfet. or a hydro plant. or own radar array. or at least stop using fucking caesar ciphers. [14:27]
trinque asciilifeform: can't, science is from satan [14:28]
trinque maybe they're respectable like one respects a forest fire [14:28]
asciilifeform trinque: atheist kalash is also from satan, doesn't prevent the 'doublethink' [14:28]
asciilifeform trinque: forest fires can't be tricked and tripped like a child. [14:28]
trinque not in terms of thinking creatures, though [14:28]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform well yeah, if they actually were intellectually respectable i'd prolly be there. [14:29]
mircea_popescu but we were discussing agency rather than techne here [14:29]
asciilifeform when the ancients anthropomorphisized nature and 'respected', e.g., the sea, it was because it was -indomitable- [14:29]
mircea_popescu not necessarily. [14:29]
asciilifeform go try respect a puddle [14:29]
trinque it's too early in the morning for this zen shit [14:29]
trinque :p [14:29]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform danae fucked a (pee) puddle was pregnant. [14:30]
trinque seems like isis is just good kindling for a larger middle eastern war [14:31]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: rain, not puddle [14:32]
asciilifeform rain is respectable. [14:32]
trinque I wouldn't expect them to continue to exist if/when that kicks off [14:32]
mircea_popescu golden rain tho. [14:32]
mircea_popescu if that's not piss... [14:32]
trinque though I wish I understood the saudi/iran dynamic more [14:32]
mircea_popescu (and yes, you can end up pregnant from piss) [14:32]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: pH ? [14:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00027493 = 6.4334 BTC [+] {2} [14:33]
mircea_popescu the little buggers are really persistent. [14:33]
asciilifeform i suppose you only need one spermatozoid [14:33]
asciilifeform (though modern data suggests they have flock dynamics and pheromonal strange, like ants) [14:33]
mircea_popescu which is weird, considering. [14:33]
mircea_popescu but yeah, i recall some stuff about how white sperms beat up black sperms. [14:33]
* asciilifeform does not recall 'fighting sperm' but there was the gradient-following thing [14:34]
trinque [14:36]
asciilifeform 'On or about October 24, 2014, VELENTZAS viewed on her cellular telephone YouTube videos about a beginner's tutorial for soldering, tools and steps for soldering and de-soldering, how to solder wires together, how to solder a circuit board, common soldering mistakes, and introduction to flux, a product used in soldering tasks.' [14:36]
mircea_popescu ... [14:36]
mircea_popescu you have got to be kidding me. [14:36]
asciilifeform ( ) [14:36]
assbot Velentzas and Siddiqui Complaint ... ( ) [14:36]
mircea_popescu i would imagine by now the number of retarded people being abused through this scandalous mockery of law exceeds the "sex offenders" [14:37]
mircea_popescu but hey, the us is solving its homeless population, and the un doesn't even seem to notice or anything. [14:37]
mircea_popescu what about sanctions for human rights violations in africa's most recent presidential autocracy ? [14:38]
asciilifeform 'VELENTZAS also told the UC that she was progressing in her electrical studies and had used a solder tool to solder copper wires together, although VELENTZAS had suffered a small burn on her finger in the process. The UC observed a burn mark on VELENTZAS's finger.' [14:39]
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asciilifeform << mega-l0l [14:44]
assbot ninjadoge24's blog ... ( ) [14:44]
cazalla mircea_popescu, i got a response from fortune, not the one i was hoping for either [14:45]
asciilifeform ' / CTIA - "The Best App of CTIA by the Techlicious 2012 Best of CTIA Awards" / PC Magazine - "PC Magazine Best Apps" / TRUSTe - Received "TRUSTe Privacy Seal" / Global Mobile Internet Conference App Space - "A top 50 app" ......... Looks like a substitution cipher. What if it's just XOR? Like just fuckin' XOR?' [14:45]
mircea_popescu do they indicate where to send process ? [14:46]
asciilifeform cazalla, mircea_popescu: toldya they'd say 'pound sand' [14:46]
cazalla [14:46]
assbot dpaste: 2E1T9JN ... ( ) [14:46]
mircea_popescu da fuck do i care what the idiot has to say lmao. [14:46]
asciilifeform judge will say 'hated terrorist vs. fortune co.' 'case closed.' [14:48]
asciilifeform or what, mircea_popescu expects to get in the mail a package with the head of the fella who signed the 'do not cite qntra' memo taped on 'fortune' monkeys' cubicles ? [14:49]
asciilifeform the 'we did not claim they broke the news' thing is pure gold. [14:50]
mircea_popescu cazalla i'd say they'd banned from qntra, and we just rewrite their breaking stuff without credit given, but then again they've not broken anything since like the 80s, they just rewrite random feeds. [14:50]
asciilifeform if someone steals his golden toilet, and thief answers 'i did not claim it was mine, just took it' ? [14:51]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's not a matter of i expect to get that head. i am getting that head. [14:51]
asciilifeform but not in the mail [14:51]
mircea_popescu in whatever manner. [14:51]
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asciilifeform and not because of a verdict from an american court. [14:51]
mircea_popescu if that is true, that is to their detriment. [14:51]
mircea_popescu they don't as much as have a fucking legal address on the site, anything. [14:53]
mircea_popescu it could be a blogspot blog for all anyone knows. [14:53]
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asciilifeform << mega-l0l. nsa/gchq spam campaigns to drum up support for british colonial falklands vs. argentina claim. [15:02]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ^ this is still a thing!? l0l! [15:03]
mircea_popescu well sure it is. [15:03]
cazalla i looked for a legal contact, not finding anything, might have to be sent to time inc as they appear to own [15:04]
asciilifeform 'GCHQ has consistently underperformed on Brazil, with growing concerns that Sth [sic] American attitudes on the Falklands are swinging behind Argentina....' [15:04]
mircea_popescu cazalla [15:07]
assbot dpaste: 21W5GH3 ... ( ) [15:07]
cazalla mircea_popescu, nice, i'll hold off responding to this daniel roberts fellow and see what comes of yours [15:08]
mircea_popescu the point asciilifeform doesn't appreciate here is that i'd much rather spend 10k to sue forbes over a missatributed story than spend 10k to buy "clicks" on facebook or w/e. [15:08]
mircea_popescu you can readily ignore the muppet. [15:08]
asciilifeform probably same result from each 10k [15:08]
asciilifeform but it's mircea_popescu's 10k, if he wants to spend it on a new coat of pain for dirigible - perfectly good [15:09]
asciilifeform *paint [15:09]
cazalla it's really no difference [15:09]
mircea_popescu the donkey said to the man breaking ground, that no grains grow in freshly broken ground. [15:09]
mircea_popescu that's right. not yet, they don't. [15:09]
mats << ever read, 'A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court' by Twain? [15:10]
assbot Logged on 26-10-2014 21:21:38; decimation: I've always imagined what would happen if I were marooned in pre-history with a few choice textbooks [15:10]
assbot ... ( ) [15:10]
asciilifeform mats: << MUCH better story about same [15:10]
assbot ... ( ) [15:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00027 = 1.863 BTC [-] [15:10]
mats we'll see. [15:10]
asciilifeform more realistic ending, for one. [15:11]
asciilifeform and less sanctimonious twain bullshit [15:11]
mike_c search.b-a issues a known problem? doesn't seem to have indexed the last few days [15:12]
mike_c ^ mthreat? [15:13]
mircea_popescu which issues be those ? [15:15]
mircea_popescu !s issues [15:15]
assbot 696 results for 'issues' : [15:15]
mircea_popescu Checking Query Cache For Query 53 µs [15:15]
mircea_popescu motherfucker, checking cache takes 1/3 of the total time [15:15]
mike_c issues be it's not returning anything from the last couple days [15:16]
asciilifeform checking cache takes 1/3 of the total time << ahahahahahaha [15:16]
mircea_popescu !s fortune [15:17]
assbot 176 results for 'fortune' : [15:17]
mircea_popescu mike_c whoopsie hadn't noticed. [15:17]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform shut up dude. if advanced aliens show up they perforce know of caching [15:17]
mike_c 1/3 of the total time is 53 microseconds? that's pretty fast.. [15:18]
mircea_popescu perhaps they even show us how to make one. [15:18]
mircea_popescu mike_c game server whadda ya want [15:18]
asciilifeform aliens - yes, on account of light speed. [15:18]
mike_c ah. game time and web time are not the same orders of magnitude :) [15:18]
mircea_popescu myeah [15:18]
mircea_popescu this, i'll grant, is an insane piece of gnarl with three joins in it. for prototyping not really used in code. [15:19]
asciilifeform browser that spends 56mS rooting through cache - thank sv and their stables of delinquent children turned into 'programmers' [15:19]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform sql profiling, nothing to do with browsers. [15:19]
trinque ah three joins isn't that bad [15:20]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: same rot [15:20]
mike_c and he said us, not ms [15:20]
mircea_popescu i really have no idea. and yes micro. [15:20]
asciilifeform micro - less abjectly idiotic [15:20]
danielpbarron << ahem [15:23]
assbot Logged on 31-03-2015 00:27:33; danielpbarron: search won't find results past this line -> [15:23]
asciilifeform that's roughly 140000 cpu cycles on, e.g., my box, though [15:23]
cazalla <<< what's DTF mean? down to fish? [15:24]
assbot Logged on 03-04-2015 12:23:47; nubbins`: broud was DTF at all times [15:24]
assbot Chinese Guy Says to Girl "Are You DTF?" - YouTube ... ( ) [15:24]
nubbins` haha [15:24]
nubbins` down to fish, yeah [15:24]
asciilifeform wut [15:24]
nubbins` i kid [15:25]
nubbins` down to FUCK, yo [15:25]
nubbins` should have a patch on the ml in an hour or so, probably poison but feel free to give it a look [15:27]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00027071 = 4.6562 BTC [+] [15:34]
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asciilifeform nubbins`: what's in your patch ? [15:37]
nubbins` modifies to copy the openssl libs to ourlibs, adds boost:: to the errant uint32_t instances [15:39]
nubbins` pretty hatchety [15:39]
nubbins` build still stalls out with cannot find -lssl, -lcrypto [15:40]
nubbins` i guess, anyway. verifying now [15:40]
mod6 this works "as designed" on deb6 - so you might wanna put a note in there what platform this is intended for. [15:42]
nubbins` [15:42]
assbot ... ( ) [15:42]
nubbins` mod6 this isn't for consumption [15:43]
asciilifeform jurov: do you still keep that bitcoind src concordance www thing up to date ? [15:43]
nubbins` just playing around [15:43]
mod6 ok thx. your message at the top is good. much appreciated [15:44]
nubbins` i will probably be doing this as a general rule going forward [15:45]
nubbins` no code changes i make should be misconstrued as being implicitly sane in any fashion [15:46]
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mats asciilifeform: good read. [15:51]
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nubbins` hi hfdhfhfhurururhf [15:52]
asciilifeform meowmix. [15:52]
nubbins` 8) [15:52]
asciilifeform !up hfdhfhfhurururhf [15:52]
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asciilifeform robot, what is your purpose ? [15:52]
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asciilifeform i guess ^ that. [15:52]
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nubbins` if anyone else gets "1 target failed, 3 skipped" at the end of their Boost build: [15:56]
assbot ... ( ) [15:56]
nubbins` that's them [15:56]
trinque asciilifeform: [15:57]
assbot ... ( ) [15:57]
cazalla <<< women who care not to match the colour of their bra to their panties should def hang [15:57]
assbot Logged on 03-04-2015 14:40:12; mircea_popescu: next you're going to want to hang badly dressed women, and then where will we be. [15:57]
asciilifeform trinque: wat [15:58]
jurov asciilifeform: how up to date? it does not apply patches automatically [15:59]
trinque asciilifeform: grepped for the host part there [15:59]
cazalla nothing gets me more riled up than a stupid bitch who doesn't match colours.. autism rages [15:59]
asciilifeform jurov: ok then no [15:59]
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mircea_popescu the neverending fountain of weird shit... so alf get a load of this! [16:00]
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mircea_popescu i make a bootable gentoo cd. system boots fine on it. this was last night. today, i go to work on it again, IT NO LONGER BOOTS. [16:01]
mircea_popescu same fucking everything untouched. [16:01]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: left it running or powered down ? [16:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35950 @ 0.00027214 = 9.7834 BTC [+] {3} [16:01]
asciilifeform and what's it do instead of booting [16:01]
mircea_popescu powered down. and what it does INSTEAD of booting is what totally blew my mind [16:02]
mircea_popescu one sec ima take a picture of it. [16:02]
jurov wasn't it april fools cd? [16:03]
mircea_popescu < [16:07]
assbot ... ( ) [16:07]
mircea_popescu can't access tty ? srsly ? [16:07]
mircea_popescu can't find the boot device AFTER BOOTING FROM IT ? srsly ? [16:07]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: whatcha used for a boot loader ? [16:07]
asciilifeform lilo ? [16:07]
asciilifeform kernel wants rootfs device on kernelcommandline when boots [16:07]
mircea_popescu w/e comes with the minimal install [16:08]
asciilifeform was, judging by this photo, given none. [16:08]
asciilifeform it wants one [16:08]
asciilifeform or has no fucking clue where to mount root fs [16:08]
mircea_popescu it didn't want one last night ;/ [16:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13164 @ 0.00027539 = 3.6252 BTC [+] {2} [16:08]
asciilifeform was disk in the drive [16:08]
asciilifeform last night [16:08]
mircea_popescu myeah. [16:09]
asciilifeform then. [16:09]
mircea_popescu it's still in there now! [16:09]
mircea_popescu nothing whatsoever changed. [16:09]
asciilifeform try giving it the actual root device when it asks [16:10]
asciilifeform instead of letting it die into busybox [16:10]
asciilifeform (why even built it with busybox, i wonder) [16:10]
mircea_popescu i have no idea. [16:10]
mircea_popescu moreover, im not aware i actually did [16:10]
asciilifeform didja even build this kernel. [16:10]
mircea_popescu and how the fuck does it not find the cd when it booted off the cd! [16:10]
asciilifeform cd is not build to be usable as rootfs [16:11]
asciilifeform *built [16:11]
asciilifeform (typically it contains a thing that can be booted from and ends up living in ram, like my pogo 'turdel') [16:11]
asciilifeform but not to be mounted as a rootfs by a normal kernel. [16:11]
mircea_popescu look. whatever whatever may be built as or not, i have two basic expectations. one is, for fucking machinery to behave the same way from night to next evening. the other, albeit weaker, is that if i get a "minimal work" thing i actually have to do minimal work. [16:12]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu poured diesel into petrol engine [16:12]
mircea_popescu meh. [16:12]
asciilifeform at any rate, give it the rootfs. [16:12]
asciilifeform if boots, then stuff it into the kernel cmd line params in lilo (or grub or whatever you used) [16:12]
asciilifeform then it will work for all time. [16:13]
asciilifeform alternatively compile the cmdline into kernel per se [16:13]
asciilifeform like i do on 'pogo' builds. [16:13]
mircea_popescu if im going to actually have to do shit by hand im not going ot use the retarded "live cd" bs. [16:13]
mircea_popescu i have nfi why these people keep offering offers they can't actually offer. [16:13]
asciilifeform i very rarely install gentoo from cd, must say. normally i install using a normal computer with the 'patient' disk plugged in [16:14]
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asciilifeform as just a disk. [16:14]
asciilifeform then when the contents are in place, we move disk to its final home and try to boot from it, etc. [16:14]
mircea_popescu yeah well that's nice, but srsly... [16:15]
asciilifeform look at your lilo (or grub) config. [16:16]
mircea_popescu "The Gentoo minimal installation CD is a bootable CD which contains a self-sustained Gentoo environment. It allows the user to boot Linux from the CD." [16:17]
mircea_popescu their fucking handbook or w/e that is. [16:17]
asciilifeform sure does [16:17]
asciilifeform -the linux on the cd- [16:17]
mircea_popescu is the idea im booting gentoo off the cd and it gives me ash ?! [16:17]
asciilifeform wai wat, did that box -boot from cd- ? [16:17]
asciilifeform the one in the pic [16:17]
mircea_popescu yes dude [16:17]
mircea_popescu what do you think im going on about here! [16:17]
asciilifeform though this was the second attempt to boot an -installed- linux. [16:18]
mircea_popescu no. [16:18]
asciilifeform ! [16:18]
mircea_popescu see, THAT would have made sense. [16:18]
* asciilifeform like total idiot assumed the variant that makes sense. [16:18]
mircea_popescu this is why i said you won't believe it. [16:18]
mircea_popescu because a) even if the cd somehow failed it shouldnb't fail like this [16:18]
mircea_popescu and b) wtf. [16:18]
asciilifeform and this is a commonplace ibmpclike thing with ata cdrom, etc. ? [16:18]
mircea_popescu yes. [16:19]
asciilifeform not some crazy sun dildostation. [16:19]
asciilifeform hm. [16:19]
mircea_popescu and i mean sure w/e i could compile it and whatnot. [16:19]
mircea_popescu but so far am very nonplussed. [16:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15050 @ 0.00027559 = 4.1476 BTC [+] [16:20]
asciilifeform meanwhile, [16:21]
asciilifeform ==00:00:00:12.322 18417== Conditional jump or move depends on uninitialised value(s) [16:21]
asciilifeform ==00:00:00:12.322 18417== at 0x4C7D43: CWallet::ResendWalletTransactions() (wallet.cpp:678) [16:21]
asciilifeform ==00:00:00:12.322 18417== by 0x44A1EB: SendMessages(CNode*, bool) (main.cpp:156) [16:21]
asciilifeform ==00:00:00:12.322 18417== by 0x47011C: ThreadMessageHandler2(void*) (net.cpp:1505) [16:21]
asciilifeform ==00:00:00:12.322 18417== by 0x4702C6: ThreadMessageHandler(void*) (net.cpp:1464) [16:21]
asciilifeform ==00:00:00:12.322 18417== by 0x64DB082: start_thread (in /lib64/ [16:21]
asciilifeform ==00:00:00:12.322 18417== by 0x6FEF26C: clone (in /lib64/ [16:21]
asciilifeform and several dozen more like it. [16:21]
mircea_popescu that's nice [16:21]
asciilifeform this is not weirdobuild either [16:21]
asciilifeform this is STANDARD dynamic [16:22]
asciilifeform am i the first to run full-bore valgrind on it or wut [16:22]
mircea_popescu so apparently we found satoshi [16:22]
mircea_popescu his name is mel. [16:22]
asciilifeform shatoshi [16:22]
asciilifeform and people use this thing, huh. [16:23]
* asciilifeform would like a copy of mircea_popescu's trinary sovcoin plz. because this is just Sad. [16:23]
punkman [16:28]
assbot [2015-04-03] The 5,000Btc hidden treasure, and the key to finding it. ... ( ) [16:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00027559 = 3.252 BTC [+] [16:28]
asciilifeform woodc0ll3kt0r!!! [16:29]
asciilifeform he's back! [16:29]
punkman I don't even [16:29]
nubbins` [16:33]
assbot ... ( ) [16:33]
nubbins` i also don't even [16:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23550 @ 0.00027559 = 6.4901 BTC [+] [16:34]
nubbins` dem filenames [16:34]
* nubbins` files this away for next time [16:34]
trinque holy shit the guy's made dragonballs [16:35]
jurov nubbins`: the patches need uniquie identifiers for people sending sigs later [16:36]
trinque "much like Satoshi" ahahha my sides [16:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00027559 = 2.0945 BTC [+] [16:37]
nubbins` jurov yeah i stupidly attached the shasum of my patch file to the filename [16:37]
nubbins` didn't realize the ml does it for me [16:37]
jurov lol never occurred to me someone would do it [16:38]
nubbins` lel @ woodcollector [16:41]
nubbins` he should write a book [16:41]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform check this out : if you boot off the cd, gentoo works ONCE. if you reboot it, it no longer works. if you boot machine with something else, this resets it, and you can now boot gentoo off cd again. ONCE. [16:42]
asciilifeform pathological liars don't automatically make good storytellers, much as folks with no bowel control are not by this fertilizatory virtue automatically good farmers. [16:42]
mircea_popescu wtf does it corrupt, the bios is not new enough and there's no hdd [16:42]
nubbins` mircea_popescu maybe the livecd checks the hdd for rootfs, tried to mount partially-installed one or smth [16:43]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: all boots here were 'cold' ? [16:43]
asciilifeform or 'warm' [16:43]
mircea_popescu all were cold. [16:43]
mircea_popescu nubbins` logical, but no hdd attached. [16:43]
asciilifeform as in, mains power removed ? [16:43]
nubbins` a [16:43]
mircea_popescu as in fans stopped. [16:43]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: the mega-l0l of 'cookbook' is that it was usg-authored originally. << Seems to have been independently written and later blessed because of its error, contrast to "Poor Mans James Bond" written by fellow who wanted to be their friend, but his work... not blessed [16:43]
mircea_popescu you want me to actually drain the mobo light ? [16:43]
asciilifeform yes. [16:43]
mircea_popescu ok, trying this one for my own curio [16:44]
nubbins` asciilifeform i don't think he can produce a good story -- that much is obvious -- but it'd be nice for him to condense his stupidity into a single volume that could be burned [16:44]
asciilifeform nubbins`: unfortunately - stupidity doesn't work like ova [16:44]
nubbins` :/ [16:44]
asciilifeform not a finite count of it in the vessel [16:44]
nubbins` you're not born with all the stupidity you'll ever have [16:44]
nubbins` hahaha [16:44]
* nubbins` applauds [16:44]
nubbins` anyway i guess the dude saw my auction and got jealous [16:45]
nubbins` figured giving away 5k btc is pretty ballin [16:45]
nubbins` nevermind that the entire concept is ludicrous [16:45]
nubbins` tempted to move 5k coins and post tx in the thread claiming that i've found the capsule ;/ [16:46]
mircea_popescu lol [16:46]
mircea_popescu but why add credence to idiocy. [16:46]
mircea_popescu " Inside that container is 1,000 bronze bitcoins" [16:47]
asciilifeform ick, debased roman bitcoins [16:47]
mircea_popescu i mean, buy a plural ffs. [16:47]
asciilifeform only gold bitcoin is genuine. [16:47]
nubbins` forged in a time when men were men and haters left wood carvers alone [16:47]
mircea_popescu "I have made and sold 9 2015 wooden physical bitcoins listed below. Each one of those coins has hidden in or on it a part of the puzzle. The key to decoding the first part of that puzzle is coin #10 which after much though is being given to someone whom i already chose from this forum. In order to decode each individual wooden coin you will have to have #10 in its physical presence and in order to solve the entire firs [16:48]
mircea_popescu t clue you will need to posses and have all 10 coins in the same physical location. The clues in the coins were crafted in a fashion that you will never find them let alone figure them out via photographs, with x-rays, or in any fashion other than having all the coins in the same location at the same time to solve the puzzle." [16:48]
asciilifeform know what would be riotously funny? if american 'nature preservation' agency rounded the idiot up and took'im to preet [16:48]
asciilifeform for the crime of poaching rare wood, naturally [16:48]
mircea_popescu check it out, this is pure rationality. long live bayes! [16:48]
asciilifeform self-confessed [16:48]
nubbins` mircea_popescu whoa i didn't read that far. [16:49]
mircea_popescu cold cold boot does it. where the fuck does it store its stupid bits alf ? [16:49]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: dram remanence ? [16:50]
mircea_popescu that reliable ?! [16:50]
mircea_popescu there must be some eeprom in the bios that i don't know about. [16:50]
asciilifeform << depends on box [16:50]
assbot AfterLife | Digital Intelligence and Investigation | The CERT Division ... ( ) [16:50]
nubbins` "i am so rich that 5000 btc is a mere pittance, but a bunch of forum scamzors will have to collectively shell out ~$10k in airfare in order to unravel the mystery" [16:50]
asciilifeform (whatsthat? little proggy that warmboots machine with small linux and reads dram to a usb stick.) [16:50]
mircea_popescu nubbins` funny thing is, ego and intelligence are unrelated variables at birth. plenty of people roll 6-1. [16:51]
nubbins` nod [16:51]
nubbins` tbh i forgot about the guy [16:51]
nubbins` he must've been plotting this whole time [16:51]
mircea_popescu lol right. [16:51]
asciilifeform actually 'remanence' is wrong word here! [16:51]
asciilifeform because the dram was never powered down [16:52]
asciilifeform it is doing its job [16:52]
mircea_popescu as opposed to, whole thing occured to him this morning as he was sitting on shitter and contemplating what a laughingstock he is [16:52]
asciilifeform warm boot on pc arch doesn't cycle dram reset [16:52]
mircea_popescu and then he wrote it all breathlessly and didn't bother to proofread before submitting. [16:52]
asciilifeform pc owner oughta know that. [16:52]
asciilifeform (to be fair, pc arch standard is dead and what i said is probably wrong for at least every box in seven on the market.) [16:53]
mircea_popescu ^ [16:53]
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asciilifeform so mircea_popescu cannot be faulted for not giving a rat's arse [16:53]
mircea_popescu well i can be faulted all anyone wants, but guyess what! [16:53]
asciilifeform my grandfather had a dacha. it did not come with a toilet, so he built one. outhouse thing, but with an actual toilet that flushed instead of the customary shit pit. this is relevant, because: [16:54]
asciilifeform as a kid i always imagined that the shit tank was bottomless. [16:54]
asciilifeform or at least, like a skyscraper, but sorta inverted [16:54]
asciilifeform into the ground. [16:55]
asciilifeform or how else could hold generations of turds. [16:55]
asciilifeform i even saw it, in dreams [16:55]
asciilifeform this titanic edifice. [16:55]
asciilifeform now i realize it was true. except not outhouse, but pc arch and the whole stack of softs. [16:55]
BingoBoingo !b 8 [16:57]
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asciilifeform in other news, i think i've a fixed-ram-space bitcoind running... [16:58]
asciilifeform will say, after it syncs, if so, and how [16:58]
asciilifeform also writing broadcast (s.nsa) and buncha other things in shiva hands [16:59]
punkman is there an easy way to induce an arbitrary-sized chain reorg for testing? [16:59]
asciilifeform there is not an easy way to do much of anything. [16:59]
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asciilifeform what are we looking for, at the bottom of that tank? a golden ring ? [17:03]
asciilifeform i can't recall losing one... [17:03]
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mats [17:18]
assbot System Programming: Linux Loadable Kernel Module in Assembly ... ( ) [17:18]
asciilifeform mats: works but ver magic. [17:19]
mats 'ver magic'? [17:20]
asciilifeform mod won't load unless matches kernel ver. [17:20]
mats o. [17:21]
asciilifeform no big deal, not hard to determine. [17:21]
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BingoBoingo << win [17:33]
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mircea_popescu punkman the best way to test that sort of thing is on a local testnet with low diff. [17:37]
mircea_popescu make n chain then make reorg [17:37]
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nubbins` asciilifeform i think i've got it [17:50]
asciilifeform ? [17:50]
nubbins` cannot find -lssl, -lcrypto [17:54]
mircea_popescu "The computer has no way of knowing by examining the word itself, whether a word is intended as a number or an instruction. Under most circumstances it is the numbers which are operated on and the instructions which are followed as instruction. The LGP-30 has the ability to operate on instructions as numbers. This ability is not only valuable but a feature which makes for the great power of stored program computers. Ho [17:56]
mircea_popescu wever, it is always to be avoided to use numbers as instructions. Since an instruction word is indistinguishable from a number word, some means must be provided to avoid using numbers as instructions. How this is accomplished is described under "BUILDING A PROGRAM". Also, how we convert from a 2000 to the binary representation shown is discussed later." [17:56]
mircea_popescu fucking nuts. [17:56]
mircea_popescu << ancient manuals are great, but good god the stuff one finds in there [17:56]
assbot LGP - 30 PROGRAMMING MANUAL ... ( ) [17:56]
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asciilifeform 'it is always to be avoided to use numbers as instructions.' << translation from ru? cn ? [18:09]
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mircea_popescu its english [18:13]
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asciilifeform its english << as written by su mole deep in the british ministry of fucktardation ? [18:18]
mircea_popescu someone at royal mcbee i imagine. [18:18]
mircea_popescu you wanted using instead of to use ? [18:18]
asciilifeform 'it is always to be avoided' ?????! [18:19]
trinque "using numbers as instructions should always be avoided" [18:19]
trinque weird word order [18:19]
mircea_popescu yes ? [18:20]
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nubbins` asciilifeform [18:26]
trinque just something you see in translations, not that a NY company's manual would be [18:26]
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nubbins` others who are trying to build on gentoo should also see above link ^ [18:27]
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nubbins` build script doesn't copy any of the openssl includes or libs to the ourlibs/ directory [18:31]
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nubbins` but apparently this only fails (so far) on gentoo. [18:32]
trinque it's going to get pretty difficult to follow along before long [18:32]
asciilifeform nubbins`: i must remind readers that my 'dns snip' patch does not remove all usage of dns from bitcoin [18:34]
asciilifeform only for seeding [18:34]
nubbins` nod [18:34]
trinque are you gents permanently opposed to vcs? [18:34]
asciilifeform it still gets used when irc-connecting and when attempting to determine external ip from behind nat [18:34]
asciilifeform trinque: excellent question! see thread [18:34]
mircea_popescu During the conversation, the UC stated, "We read chemistry books with breakfast. Like, who does that?" VELENTZAS responded, "People who want to make history." [18:35]
mircea_popescu orly ? what about you know, every sophomore ever. [18:35]
* trinque finds tons of talk about venture capitalists :p [18:35]
mircea_popescu trinque what are we but vcs. [18:35]
mircea_popescu we're opposed to retards. [18:35]
asciilifeform trinque: [18:35]
assbot Logged on 15-11-2014 00:31:06; asciilifeform: but the argument here is not about sabotaged ken-thompson-style tools. but about tools that foster intellectual atrophy. [18:35]
asciilifeform ^ mandatory thread [18:35]
trinque mircea_popescu: talkin bout version control [18:35]
asciilifeform [18:36]
assbot Logged on 15-11-2014 00:34:02; asciilifeform: but i will not be signing any patch that i can't apply with my mind, in my mental model of the code. [18:36]
asciilifeform ^ this is absolutely vital to understand. [18:36]
nubbins` i haven't verified that you necessarily need to apply the dns snip patch for it to compile on gentoo [18:37]
nubbins` that getaddrinfo stuff was just a warning [18:37]
nubbins` it only happened to spit out right after the "cannot find -lssl, -lcrypto" [18:37]
asciilifeform nubbins`: it is a warning that tells you the fact that YOUR BIN WILL ONLY RUN ON YOUR BOX [18:37]
asciilifeform pretty dire so far as warnings go. [18:38]
nubbins` :D [18:38]
trinque asciilifeform: heh I replied to you there as undata and the opinion still stands [18:38]
trinque but w/e you guys are doing the lifting, yours to decide [18:38]
asciilifeform trinque: try to understand why. [18:38]
trinque it's just not clear which chains of patches are which [18:38]
trinque and will increasingly be so [18:38]
asciilifeform trinque: there is precisely one set of 'official' patches [18:38]
asciilifeform that is, ones that made it into the release [18:38]
asciilifeform there is also another set, of dangerous patches which may or may not turn into tree candidates. [18:39]
nubbins` trinque this is sort of like the bible, in that various acid fevers are recorded and some of them end up being canon [18:39]
trinque lol [18:39]
nubbins` i'm not joking [18:39]
asciilifeform anyone so much as touching the dangerous patches needs to actually grasp what is going on. [18:39]
nubbins` anyway alf if you get some spare cycles, can you try my patch & verify that i'm not crazy? [18:40]
mircea_popescu you're crazy even with the patch. [18:40]
nubbins` !s simple minded psychopath [18:40]
trinque entirely possible to use git or something else for dev, patch process for release [18:40]
assbot 4 results for 'simple minded psychopath' : [18:40]
nubbins` :D [18:40]
nubbins` ah w/e [18:40]
trinque but I see the sense of this [18:40]
nubbins` i think the original was hyphenated [18:40]
asciilifeform trinque: do you know the biblical story about the camel's nose ? [18:41]
mircea_popescu trinque honestly im just waiting for them to get buried in more pizza packaging first. [18:41]
asciilifeform well, pseudo-biblical [18:41]
trinque asciilifeform: something something nose tent [18:41]
ben_vulpes trinque: i keep my own vcs system and apply patches directly from mu4e [18:41]
ben_vulpes branch, apply patch, run tests in vm [18:41]
ben_vulpes attempt to compile et [18:41]
ben_vulpes etc* [18:41]
trinque so now what if you want to collaborate on a branch [18:41]
trinque you're just manually doing the same thing [18:42]
* trinque shrugs [18:42]
asciilifeform it is NOT the same thing! [18:42]
ben_vulpes nobody's collaborating on anything man [18:42]
ben_vulpes the shitty thing doesn't even compile yet [18:42]
trinque and this is desirable? [18:42]
nubbins` ben_vulpes yes it does :) [18:42]
asciilifeform it doesn't compile -statically- [18:42]
ben_vulpes ah, nubbins -- sanity! [18:42]
ben_vulpes well, yes. [18:42]
ben_vulpes compiles to my requirements. [18:42]
nubbins` asciilifeform yes it does! [18:42]
asciilifeform trinque: do you recall the conversation about sov. nuke subs ? [18:43]
asciilifeform and their reactor controls [18:43]
ben_vulpes does *not* compile to my requirements, i mean. [18:43]
asciilifeform the same outcome is not proof that you are 'doing the same thing' [18:43]
mircea_popescu >> he's right. [18:43]
assbot Logged on 03-04-2015 13:37:28; nubbins`: but he fears others will think it sucks, or worse, that his taste is so poor that it *does* suck and he just doesn't see it [18:43]
asciilifeform sometimes, the -process- matters. [18:43]
trinque ok, I am aware of your perspective [18:43]
asciilifeform because the -process- provides guarantees of... [18:43]
asciilifeform !s provenance [18:43]
assbot 26 results for 'provenance' : [18:43]
trinque you can easily verify the output of git [18:44]
mircea_popescu nobody's collaborating on anything man << this is like the first time ever people are seriously using a noncollaborative approach to coding. [18:44]
asciilifeform programmers as a class have severe trouble with this concept, in my experience [18:44]
nubbins` haha [18:44]
asciilifeform because they live & die by idempotence of identical bits [18:44]
nubbins` the adversarial approach to development [18:44]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform only whores masquerading as programmers. [18:44]
asciilifeform (also see the 'what colour are your bits' essay) [18:44]
mircea_popescu "it rubbed me nicely, same thing" [18:44]
trinque not at all what I'm saying [18:44]
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asciilifeform trinque: when you use a version control apparatus, it is very easy to produce patches that cannot be applied using your mind [18:45]
asciilifeform and this quickly becomes the only kind of patch produced. [18:45]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform eventually that list jurov keeps will become unusable as a flat thing, you are aware. [18:46]
nubbins` "patch" = updating 5,000 files at once [18:46]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: eventually [18:46]
mircea_popescu even if your version control is strictly "X -> Y -> Z" which are all control points [18:46]
trinque if you can't rely on the discipline of the people involved you're already fucked [18:46]
mircea_popescu it's still fucking version control. [18:46]
trinque running diff and patch by hand isn't going to fix it [18:46]
asciilifeform nubbins`: laugh, but what do you imagine would happen if one of us were to, e.g., reindent it. [18:46]
nubbins` asciilifeform i used that example because i've seen precisely this sort of bullshit committed to svn [18:46]
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asciilifeform trinque: it's a deliberate antiautomation, to keep things short [18:47]
asciilifeform like the orators who were forced to stand on one leg [18:47]
nubbins` <+trinque> if you can't rely on the discipline of the people involved you're already fucked <<< by this metric, /we have been fucked from day one/ [18:47]
nubbins` have you LOOKED at the code? :S [18:47]
trinque you're just intentionally misunderstanding me now :p [18:48]
nubbins` 8) [18:48]
trinque who is "we" there? [18:48]
nubbins` for dramatic effect [18:48]
trinque everyone who ever poked his dick into the github? [18:48]
nubbins` everyone who ever poked his dick in pre-0.5.4 bitcoin [18:48]
asciilifeform the approach does not 'fix' anything, no. but it prevents certain plagues that are otherwise ubiquitous [18:48]
asciilifeform and 100% fatal. [18:48]
trinque by that logic you should never drive, because the machine's capable of 130mph into a brick wall [18:49]
trinque anyhow, proceed as you like [18:49]
nubbins` noooooo, the analogy would be a car with a governor that kicks in at 200kph [18:50]
nubbins` y'know, like they have in actual cars in real life [18:50]
trinque "actual cars" ? [18:50]
nubbins` <+trinque> you're just intentionally misunderstanding me now :p [18:50]
trinque ahahha [18:50]
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nubbins` for the record, your car is almost certainly not "capable" of doing anything at 130mph [18:51]
nubbins` except maybe freefalling [18:51]
mircea_popescu this is why you like the two ton mercedes. [18:51]
mircea_popescu flies at 200km/h [18:51]
nubbins` ehh, i once got a chrysler neon up to 205. [18:52]
nubbins` (this only works downhill) [18:52]
trinque nubbins`: my old 300zx could certainly do 130 [18:52]
trinque current vw crapwagon nope [18:52]
nubbins` trinque and is your 300zx for granny smith, or for a driver who knows the risks? [18:52]
mircea_popescu the only time i trusted a us pos i had a break plate of a ford explode. just like that. [18:52]
nubbins` and thus, the analogy complete. [18:52]
mircea_popescu we nearly fucking died. [18:52]
nubbins` WOO [18:53]
nubbins` height=6538 [18:53]
* nubbins` applauds [18:53]
mircea_popescu look a tthat. that's almost like a modern block's worth altogether. [18:53]
trinque mircea_popescu: damn, yeah I don't drive american cars [18:53]
mircea_popescu i don't drive either, but yeah. [18:54]
mircea_popescu in fairness this was prolly assembled in canada out of vietnamese parts or some shit. "american" what's that. [18:54]
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trinque nubbins`: wait so granny smith is who you want working on bitcoind? [18:57]
nubbins` again, you deliberately misunderstand [18:57]
trinque all I'm saying is use tools that don't slow down the work, and have merge nazis using shame and dishonor at the center [18:57]
nubbins` it's not a question of who i want working on it [18:57]
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nubbins` or of who i "want" "working" on it [18:58]
trinque the problem's solved by the wot not diff and patch [18:58]
nubbins` i dunno man [18:58]
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punkman [19:00]
ben_vulpes trinque: you and i can collaborate any time that we want, by derping at our respective repos [19:00]
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trinque I am well convinced that you guys like your process and there's nothing wrong with that. [19:00]
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ben_vulpes i don't like it, it's just the ad-hoc thing that works today [19:02]
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mats [19:06]
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jurov wow, evoor is really intrepid [19:33]
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jurov (scroll down and bask in his blue eyes) [19:34]
jurov "Erik Voorhees as Founder of ShapeShift, announces seed round with Barry Silbert, Roger Ver" further down [19:34]
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jurov "creator of SatoshiDICE" my ass. [19:36]
BingoBoingo He bought SatoshiDice and retained the creator for some time, yes? [19:36]
jurov yes [19:36]
nubbins` heh [19:38]
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nubbins` breaking: erik voorhees falsely claims to have created things that he didn't [19:38]
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asciilifeform i don't like it, it's just the ad-hoc thing that works today << i'm not convinced that there could be any reasonable alternative. [19:56]
asciilifeform for so long as the thing needs changing at all - this is how it is changed. [19:56]
nubbins` [19:57]
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asciilifeform 26. Secret Service searched Facebook for the name Jack Farrel and discovered a Facebook user site for an individual named Jack Farrel who claimed to live in Uganda. This user's Facebook site also had photographs of Jack Farrel. [20:02]
asciilifeform 27. A.B. was shown one of the photographs from Jack Farrel's Facebook site. A.B. confirmed that this photograph was the Jack Farrel who provided him with the counterfeit Federal Reserve Notes. [20:02]
asciilifeform 28. Facial recognition analysis matched Jack Farrel's photograph with a Texas Department of Motor Vehicle photo of RYAN ANDREW GUSTAFSON. [20:02]
asciilifeform ^ l0l [20:02]
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asciilifeform 'At the time, Clock argued that he was simply a sort of benevolent overlord. "I decided to help other people and give them this opportunity, I see myself as a do gooder, I know many might argue with that, but when you get people coming to you saying they used to have NOTHING and were begging on a street corner looking for $30 and now he's a boss, sure makes me feel good," he added. "I actually feel more of a [R]obinhood and en [20:07]
asciilifeform joy helping people who have nothing, I create jobs.. I do better then [sic] [O]bama creating jobs my employees are all happy now."' [20:07]
asciilifeform but 'Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi.' (TM) [20:08]
danielpbarron !up Bagels7 [20:09]
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asciilifeform << obligatory [20:09]
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asciilifeform 'icarus and the wise men' [20:10]
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asciilifeform mega-recommended ^ [20:17]
asciilifeform (mostly self-explanatory without transl.) [20:18]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: do you do email in emacs? i've been using mu4e and am about out of patience - coming back around to "show me the ancient tools that handle this ancient problem". [20:22]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: i typically compose in emacs but do not use it as a 'client' [20:22]
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asciilifeform (nor anything else) [20:22]
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asciilifeform i most often use 'squirrelmail', a prehistoric www frontend to own mailserv [20:23]
ben_vulpes huh [20:23]
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asciilifeform for a few things, even 'gmail' [20:23]
asciilifeform yes. [20:23]
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ben_vulpes i'm particularly frustrated at verifying sigs and what has one. [20:23]
nubbins` lel [20:32]
nubbins` some guy came across a bunch of old bmezine saline-injection pics [20:32]
nubbins` [20:32]
assbot - Album on Imgur ... ( ) [20:32]
nubbins` (for those wondering wtfx1000, the saline completely absorbs into your tissue after a few hours) [20:33]
mircea_popescu He bought SatoshiDice and retained the creator for some time, yes? << an' settled with the sec, to boot. [20:33]
BingoBoingo Seriously impresive stuff, just why inflate the credentials like a Turk? [20:34]
mircea_popescu jurov: "creator of SatoshiDICE" my ass. << that claim's interesting. i guess double jeopardy brings out the best in people ? [20:35]
mircea_popescu anyway. i guess coinapult died ? i seem to recall a seed round about that one. [20:37]
nubbins` i remember coinapult [20:37]
mircea_popescu "ShapeShift was built as a demonstration of this principle: exchanges occur without custodianship of user funds. Indeed, there are no user accounts whatsoever." [20:37]
mircea_popescu so you need seed funding for that ? [20:37]
nubbins` woo stateless web! [20:37]
mircea_popescu<< lol catching on huh. [20:38]
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mircea_popescu << sounds suspiciously like parallel construction. [20:39]
assbot Logged on 03-04-2015 22:58:16; asciilifeform: 28. Facial recognition analysis matched Jack Farrel's photograph with a Texas Department of Motor Vehicle photo of RYAN ANDREW GUSTAFSON. [20:39]
mircea_popescu << which makes two of us. [20:41]
assbot Logged on 03-04-2015 23:18:29; asciilifeform: i most often use 'squirrelmail', a prehistoric www frontend to own mailserv [20:41]
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-assbot- You voiced mbailin for 30 minutes. [20:42]
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BingoBoingo << lol [20:42]
assbot | WOT Reputation Scorecard | WOT (Web of Trust) ... ( ) [20:42]
nubbins` u wot m8 [20:43]
nubbins` haha child safety wtf [20:43]
BingoBoingo nubbins`: Check the user reviews [20:43]
mircea_popescu from the "let's make something stupid and call it our own" department, today the unconnected tap. [20:44]
nubbins` ha [20:44]
mircea_popescu onlyslightlyrusted. [20:44]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo amusingly, i can't negrate it because i don't have enough javascript. [20:45]
mircea_popescu "must be this dumb to ride!" [20:45]
nubbins` nor can i. guess you gotta log in [20:45]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Isn't that what the designated pr0n computer is for? [20:45]
mircea_popescu toolazy [20:45]
nubbins` compiling buildroot is a snoozefest [20:46]
nubbins` ~3.5 hours last time but i think i've got more shit enabled this run [20:47]
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mircea_popescu << "someone in the blogosphere" [20:52]
assbot Bitcoin and the dangerous fantasy of ‘apolitical’ money | Yanis Varoufakis ... ( ) [20:52]
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mircea_popescu easily the most commented on post of that "someone in the blogosphere"'s. [20:53]
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nubbins` i'd like to start by welcoming our distinguished guests [20:59]
nubbins` you may be wondering why i've assembled you all here [21:00]
BingoBoingo nubbins`: Does it involve a biopsy punch? [21:00]
nubbins` i've done things in the past that involved biopsy punches, but this isn't such an event [21:01]
nubbins` protip: have some fruit juice on hand, you tend to get dizzy [21:01]
BingoBoingo K [21:01]
nubbins` if your vision starts to fade, tell someone [21:01]
* BingoBoingo was thinking of an alternative to hancuffs. Involves padlock, biopsy punch, and two hands [21:02]
nubbins` heh [21:02]
* BingoBoingo figures La Sernissima is economy oriented by might not want to go zip tie cheap, though "Master"Lock is cheaper than handcuffs [21:04]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla [21:04]
assbot BitBet (S.BBET) March 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [21:04]
nubbins` you can get some tough zip ties [21:05]
mircea_popescu you can get zip ties on a braided steel basis. [21:05]
nubbins` but, fwiw, you also raise eyebrows buying biopsy punches as a private citizen [21:05]
BingoBoingo nubbins`: Nah, just other things with them to lower the eyebrows back down. [21:06]
nubbins` wtf else am i gonna buy at a medical supply store [21:07]
mircea_popescu enema kits. [21:07]
nubbins` a poop stool isn't gonna make the biopsy pu... oh, hm [21:07]
BingoBoingo nubbins`: Well, if you want to seem normal... specimin slides, gauze, various dyes, and yes enema kits [21:07]
nubbins` yeah that'd do it [21:07]
mircea_popescu two 100 boxes of biopsy punches and 24 enema kits [21:08]
nubbins` ha [21:08]
nubbins` "you a doctor?" "nope" " or credit?" [21:08]
BingoBoingo Go into the store with a list. You boss sent you. "Busy Afternoon" [21:08]
BingoBoingo *Your [21:08]
nubbins` in the guy's defense he didn't press further [21:08]
mircea_popescu speaking of skin cancer : did you know that mohs for melanoma works or doesn't work entirely depending on whoever does it ? [21:10]
mircea_popescu it might be the one still medical disease left. [21:10]
BingoBoingo ^ True [21:10]
BingoBoingo nubbins`: But seriously if they ask about your Boss "Dad, he's at the farm with the Vet" "It's looking like we'll have to put them all down" [21:11]
nubbins` wat [21:12]
nubbins` duod this was like 15 years ago ;/ [21:12]
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BingoBoingo nubbins`: The pretext for picking up a few hundred biopsy punches. You never know what the future holds [21:12]
asciilifeform nubbins`: ~3.5 hours last time but i think i've got more shit enabled this run << ?!?!?! what are you using, a vax ?! 3.5 hours? [21:12]
nubbins` haha [21:13]
nubbins` a not well endowed vm [21:13]
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nubbins` BingoBoingo whatever it holds, i've no further need for biopsy punches [21:14]
nubbins` although i've occasionally wished i had one while holding a particularly plump tangelo [21:14]
BingoBoingo nubbins`: What if research determines wetware could benefit from integral faraday cage? [21:14]
nubbins` something draws me to it [21:14]
nubbins` BingoBoingo then i guess i'd have to fill all these fistulas up again [21:15]
BingoBoingo But yes, there's also the non-meat culinary, gardening, and engineering uses for the things [21:15]
mircea_popescu btw re anarchist cookbook thing, it seems there's a bit of americana in there. [21:17]
asciilifeform aha. [21:17]
mircea_popescu it seems : that the original author pulled a deepthroat, that the original publisher owned the rights to it [21:17]
nubbins` asciilifeform 4gb ram but only 1 cpu core [21:17]
mircea_popescu and that this arrangement came to a halt recently, when some arkansas derps bought it, and are republishing a widely bowdlerized version. [21:17]
asciilifeform who the fuck -buys- 'anarchist's cookbook' [21:18]
asciilifeform what's next, -buy- 'the bastard operator from hell' ? [21:18]
mircea_popescu americana, i say. [21:19]
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mircea_popescu (btw, i'd have figured you bought a hardcopy of tbofh) [21:20]
asciilifeform l0l [21:21]
asciilifeform in my mind they only exist as ascii txt. [21:21]
asciilifeform it'd feel truly strange to behold either on dead tree. [21:21]
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BingoBoingo Urban legend in library world is that "Anarchist's Cookbook" and "Steal this Book" are titles that would outrage censors who find them in library catalogs long after library patron's had liberated them from the shelves. [21:22]
nubbins` <+asciilifeform> who the fuck -buys- 'anarchist's cookbook' <<< [21:22]
nubbins` BingoBoingo all the fun books were missing from my uni's library [21:23]
* mircea_popescu gets flashbacks of alf dissatisfied with heroin on market, starting work on own poppies. [21:23]
mircea_popescu IN AN EMULATOR! [21:23]
scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: [21:24]
nubbins` phun phact, many flower shops sell opium poppy pods, dried [21:24]
mircea_popescu they grow wild in europe. [21:24]
mircea_popescu wheat crop pest actually. [21:24]
nubbins` blue seas [21:24]
nubbins` i made tea from seeds once but chickened out [21:25]
mircea_popescu ;;google cimp cu maci [21:25]
gribble Câmp cu maci (2011) on Vimeo: ; Fotografii maci pe Comunitate Foto: ; Camp de maci - YouTube: [21:25]
mircea_popescu one of the most cliche painting subjects too [21:25]
mats nubbins`: SWIM bought seeds, like you, and made a paste that we smoked. it was a lot of effort and very mild. [21:27]
nubbins` gross [21:27]
mats i think he boiled the stuff and then just let the water evaporate. [21:28]
trinque SWIM ... "we smoked" << lol [21:28]
nubbins` 8) [21:28]
mats i'm new to this subterfuge thing. [21:28]
trinque man I remember discovering erowid back when [21:29]
nubbins` what a rabbit hole [21:29]
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mircea_popescu afaik the paste (very finely ground seeds with butter) is widely used as a filling [21:29]
mircea_popescu at least, it was in a bunch of traditional romanian pastries i never cared for. [21:30]
BingoBoingo [21:30]
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nubbins` same seeds on, say, poppyseed bagels [21:30]
nubbins` poor elaine ;/ [21:30]
asciilifeform who [21:31]
mats seinfeld reference. [21:31]
mircea_popescu they put it in cozonac instead of proper black wallnut paste, it's appalling. [21:31]
BingoBoingo same seeds on, say, poppyseed bagels << Yes "legit" opioids come from the waste straw from food cultivation of the seeds [21:32]
danielpbarron nubbins`> i made tea from seeds once but chickened out << i've had poppy tea; it was very pleasurable [21:33]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo afaik no, they compete. [21:33]
mircea_popescu they want the latex, which means that pod won't produce. [21:33]
BingoBoingo they want the latex, which means that pod won't produce. << Depends on whose definition of "legit" production. Pharma usually takes straw for processing. [21:34]
mircea_popescu aok [21:34]
BingoBoingo less total alkaloids, but useful to them is less of a mix of alkaloids survive that far into the plant's life [21:35]
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BingoBoingo Also keeps less people from being involved in the harvest compared to labor intensive latex harvesting [21:37]
mircea_popescu mats someone who is not you could have bought a shitton of seeds, ground them finely, poured straight vinegar on the whole mess, let it sit for a while, then wash it all out and enjoy. [21:38]
mircea_popescu what's smoking supposed to do. [21:39]
mats making the stuff and smoking it wasn't my idea [21:43]
mats but i thought, hey, you know, i'll try this stuff that white folk used to enslave a generation of my ancestors [21:43]
asciilifeform !b 2 [21:43]
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nubbins` heh [21:45]
mircea_popescu wait, wut ? [21:50]
mircea_popescu ah, mats is from aznland ? [21:50]
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mircea_popescu << seems the author of the bitcoin spaceghost hjas come forward [21:51]
assbot Who made this ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [21:51]
mircea_popescu [21:52]
assbot #savetherobots — Stop Talking About Confirmation Speeds.... Start... ... ( ) [21:52]
mircea_popescu notbad either [21:52]
mats ya. [21:53]
asciilifeform [22:03]
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asciilifeform ^ for anyone who thought 'eh why do we need static anyway, at the very least on pogo' [22:04]
asciilifeform ^ this kind of binary -did- run on arch, etc. [22:07]
asciilifeform because the turds were present. [22:07]
asciilifeform there is a fucking -reason- why the gnomes sabotaged static building. [22:08]
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asciilifeform [root@alarm ~]# ldd bitcoind [22:16]
asciilifeform => /usr/lib/ (0xb6f57000) [22:16]
asciilifeform => /usr/lib/ (0xb6f2e000) [22:16]
asciilifeform => /usr/lib/ (0xb6e52000) [22:16]
asciilifeform => /usr/lib/ (0xb6da3000) [22:16]
asciilifeform => /usr/lib/ (0xb6d74000) [22:16]
danielpbarron !up junseth [22:16]
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asciilifeform => /usr/lib/ (0xb6c2e000) [22:16]
asciilifeform /lib/ (0xb6f6c000) [22:16]
asciilifeform ^ on arch. [22:16]
junseth You guys are great. Don't read it everyday, but I enjoy stumbling on the Bitcoin-assets stuff from time to time. [22:17]
danielpbarron aww <3 [22:18]
junseth Haha. Glad I stumbled on the trilema post too. Your content is always really spot on +mircea_popescu [22:19]
danielpbarron wow not often I encounter someone who has not only heard of b-a or trilema but also actually likes them [22:21]
danielpbarron !up Bagels7 [22:22]
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junseth Haha. Well, I wouldn't say I have heard of Bitcoin assets so much as stumbled on ya'lls stuff from time to time. [22:22]
danielpbarron like where? where is it that is allowing b-a content to the surface ? [22:23]
danielpbarron got me shadowbanned on reddit [22:23]
junseth Haha did it? [22:23]
junseth Man, it's always weird shit [22:24]
danielpbarron well /r/bitcoin at least [22:24]
junseth I can tell you how I got here today [22:24]
junseth I wanted to see where the space ghost image had gotten to [22:24]
junseth so I went to and threw the URL in there. [22:24]
junseth And voilla, I end up at both trilema and the bitcoin-assets log [22:24]
danielpbarron :D [22:24]
danielpbarron most things that are worth googling will lead to those results [22:25]
junseth You guys are like Florida. No one comes here on purpose. They end up here. [22:25]
junseth :) [22:25]
danielpbarron so do you have gpg by any chance? [22:26]
Bagels7 I'm just here for the random violent porn [22:27]
mircea_popescu o hey junseth [22:27]
junseth I actually don't, believe it or not. I've been doing bitcoin since like 2008 ;P and I have never bothered to give a hoot about making sure I have a provable identity. [22:28]
mircea_popescu o.O [22:28]
mircea_popescu that sorta claim won't make friends. [22:28]
mircea_popescu anyway, never too late to get straightened out [22:28]
junseth Hahaha. Just kidding about the date. [22:29]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you will notice the "eh why" point never actually came up ? somewhat to my surprise honestly. [22:29]
mircea_popescu junseth so what do you do ? for a living i mean. [22:29]
junseth [22:29]
junseth I am a marketer. I own a DIY home security company. [22:29]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: and i only tested because had another debastardizer that i wanted to test. [22:30]
mircea_popescu junseth how's that going ? [22:30]
asciilifeform (there is no simple way to test these on pc, because linux has idiotically unsegregated memory stats and hard to say precisely how much is eaten -by bitcoind- vs disk cache) [22:31]
junseth Good. It's growing. [22:31]
cazalla <<< usually one or two deaths from this each year in tasmania given to the fact they grow pharma quality poppis aka the good shit and some kids take to the fields to grab a few pods for a brew [22:31]
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junseth 3rd year [22:31]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the lseek error seems perhaps reminiscent of the fat problems ? [22:31]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it appears to be a deep-seated retardation in busybox's e2fs utils [22:31]
cazalla anyway.. they have a public health site for the tassie poppies [22:32]
assbot Not Your Average Poppy... The human body cannot process the chemicals in the Tasmanian poppy. ... ( ) [22:32]
mircea_popescu junseth basically everything you sell is honeywell ? [22:32]
junseth At the moment. We're putting some 2gig up. GE eventually. [22:33]
mircea_popescu aha. [22:33]
mircea_popescu "Tasmanian poppies are highly toxic if ingested. They are uniquely different to standard poppies and have been developed to produce chemicals suitable for industrial processing only." << check out the proper use of ge huh. [22:33]
junseth But yeah, I optimize one thing at a time [22:33]
junseth so we own the Honeywell search terms [22:33]
mircea_popescu "make them secrete ricin too!" [22:33]
junseth Now onto the next products. [22:33]
junseth Haha, but as you can see, at nights, ont he weekends, I do Bitcoin [22:34]
mircea_popescu cool. [22:35]
mircea_popescu " => not found" << what the shit ?! [22:37]
mircea_popescu junseth " The US has kept inflation down to around 3-4% for the most part since the beginning of central banking in the US." << you know that is atrociously untrue. [22:39]
mircea_popescu look into volcker, the problem he addressed, how he addressed it etc. [22:39]
junseth Haha, I like to play with this argument. If you want we can have it. I'll bite. What do you believe inflation to be? [22:40]
mircea_popescu us had inflation over 10% a year (not counting moimentary flareups of 1000% APY for a day or w/e) almost each decade. [22:40]
mircea_popescu depends on your definition of inflation. by my definition of inflation, the us experiences about 15% a year, on average, since 2000. that's exacerbating over time, so 2015 may well see 30%+ [22:40]
junseth Ok. So let's work with those numbers. At 10% per year for over a decade, what you're claiming is that the basket of goods you would be purchasing would have increased abotu 3x in the last decade. [22:42]
BingoBoingo junseth " The US has kept inflation down to around 3-4% for the most part since the beginning of central banking in the US." << you know that is atrociously untrue. << But for the lizards who got to see their cocaine prices drop nearly six fold over 3 decades... [22:42]
junseth Hahaha [22:42]
mircea_popescu junseth roughly. [22:43]
mircea_popescu behold : i declare my basket. [22:43]
junseth Hahaha [22:43]
asciilifeform the most entertaining aspect is the gymnastics carried out so u.s. folks can say 'ahahah, inflation 30% but where then is the $30/gl. petrol' [22:43]
mircea_popescu take three houses in the top 10% land value areas of the country, take college funds for twelve children. [22:43]
asciilifeform and a few other massive 'rob peter to pay paul' operations around which the entire orchestra revolves [22:43]
mircea_popescu divide the sum of this basked in 1965 with the sum of this basket today [22:43]
mircea_popescu take into account the incredible decay in quality [22:43]
junseth I mean, if what you usually purchase is 3x more expensive now than it was a decade ago, I am baffled. [22:44]
mircea_popescu (hey, if the usg is pretending like increases in quality wash inflation away, same argument can be used the other way too) [22:44]
mircea_popescu and you'll notice we're looking at 10x not 3x. [22:44]
mircea_popescu so : five to ten as bad college today as compared to 1965, which costs 100k instead of 10k. this is about 50x to 100x factor. [22:45]
mircea_popescu much shittier houses today than in 1965, about a margin of 2 to 3, that cost... 30x more, just about. [22:45]
junseth I mean, this purported decay in quality involves the development of computers in your hand, cheaper foods a la GMOs (Norman Borlaug), and other nonesuch. [22:45]
mircea_popescu no. [22:45]
mircea_popescu the purported decay in quality involves specifically this : [22:46]
junseth RE: college, it's not a fair metric. College inflation is largely a lie. The college I went to cost $45k/year. I paid $3k per year because the number they make you pay and the sticker price are completely different. [22:46]
assbot MIT graduates cannot power a light bulb with a battery. - YouTube ... ( ) [22:46]
mircea_popescu i am not discussing your idea of a fair metric. [22:46]
mircea_popescu i told you my metric. that's the metric. [22:46]
mircea_popescu if i go to the tailor and i tell him i want pants that are nine feet long, he doesn't get to tell me pant length is not a fair metric. [22:46]
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-assbot- You voiced junseth for 30 minutes. [22:47]
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mircea_popescu fact remains you ARE stuck paying for college. and you are stuck paying for "owning" a "house". [22:47]
mircea_popescu compared to this, i couldn't care less what ipads cost. [22:47]
mircea_popescu seeing how i don't use them anyway. [22:47]
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junseth Hahaha. Well, fair enough. Give me a few minutes. I have to leave my office. I'll come back and do more of this. [22:48]
mircea_popescu no rush [22:48]
mircea_popescu the b-a is eternal. [22:48]
mats 21:41:40 <+junseth> RE: college, it's not a fair metric. College inflation is largely a lie. << you're wrong. [22:49]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform what boggles most about those gymnastics is the fact that somehow the same people don't link the dots between "unaffordable health care" and "inflation". isn't this strange ? [22:49]
junseth I will say this though, I am a very strong believer in the Chicago school of economics which says that deep markets are efficient. So, inflation, for me, tends to be uninetresting, because you can very very easily hedge against it. [22:49]
mircea_popescu this is at best naive. [22:49]
mircea_popescu markets are only efficient if they exist [22:49]
mircea_popescu the us hasn't had a market economy for a century now. [22:49]
junseth It might be. I invite you to explain why it's naive. If you can tell me your inputs, I can tell you why I agree or disagree. [22:50]
mircea_popescu ^ [22:50]
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mircea_popescu ballet is not "an efficient market", for instance. even if it exists, phenomenologically. [22:50]
mircea_popescu not everything that happens to be perceptible is automatically a free market by virtue of that. [22:51]
mircea_popescu a play about the free market, for instance, is not itself a free market. [22:51]
decimation junseth: if the bond market is 'efficient' (for example), why does it seem to oscillate between 'rally' and 'sell-off' seemingly dependent on how the fed might act? [22:51]
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decimation pretty good podcast >" But that manipulation will not be apparent to people unless they have seen this technical result. Which means that you sort of--you can have shamans, people who know the rules, be in charge in ways that are tantamount to dictatorship. So, we should be very skeptical about claims that 'this is what the people want.' I think ontologically, that is, in [22:55]
decimation terms of existence, the idea of the will of the people is a genie or will o' the wisp, that we shouldn't really believe in. But for technical reasons, that notion of outcomes being the will of the people, we should be very skeptical about." [22:55]
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mircea_popescu anyways ill bbl. [22:55]
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decimation asciilifeform: re: official platform > I agree, it would be useful if a single build platform [23:01]
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decimation I suggest perhaps i486 on freebsd [23:03]
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nubbins` wat [23:04]
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danielpbarron !up junseth [23:04]
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junseth Thanks [23:05]
danielpbarron if you register a gpg key with assbot, i'm sure someone here will give you a +1 which would let you voice yourself, and that lasts longer than 30 minutes [23:05]
junseth One second, let me catch up [23:05]
decimation i486 has a fairly simple instruction set, and it has the advantage of being still 'executable' on modern cpus [23:05]
junseth That's a very good idea. I'll do taht probably a little later tonight. [23:05]
junseth I really should have done it a long time ago [23:05]
asciilifeform i486 has a fairly simple instruction set, <<< ahahahhahahahahaha. [23:07]
asciilifeform mmm, no. [23:07]
asciilifeform (and don't forget the chipset, bus, etc. idiocies.) [23:08]
decimation well, it's simpler than 'pentium' [23:08]
decimation well, i386 is dumb because it lacks floating point [23:08]
decimation failing that I was thinking mips with some variant of solaris [23:08]
junseth RE: the discussion about markets, I generally disagree with the notion that markets don't work. I know it's a common mantra. But markets, even decently regulated ones, work pretty well. Regulated markets price in the cost of regulation. [23:09]
danielpbarron i don't think the argument posed was that they don't work, but that the U.S. hasn't had one for the last century [23:10]
trinque ^ [23:10]
decimation junseth: how does the market 'work' when it's being systematically manipulated in ways that the participants cannot readily observe? [23:12]
asciilifeform decimation: solaris?!!!!? [23:15]
asciilifeform wtf [23:15]
decimation heh [23:15]
decimation I'm referring to the now defunct 'open solaris' [23:15]
decimation it has the advantage that it is dead, which limits the urge to 'upgrade' [23:16]
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assbot Logged on 06-12-2014 04:36:48; asciilifeform: solaris was a perfectly-legit unix [23:17]
asciilifeform i demand fewest bytes - period [23:17]
asciilifeform because will eventually have to read the disasm. [23:17]
asciilifeform unless one of you volunteer. [23:17]
decimation in that case, a simple instruction set is a boon [23:19]
* asciilifeform has a confession to make [23:20]
* asciilifeform bought a 2-sided laser printer and printed 0.5.3 [23:20]
* asciilifeform could no more resist this. [23:20]
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decimation heh [23:21]
asciilifeform for bedroom, for now, eventually it will join the bookcase full of similar 3rings [23:21]
decimation asciilifeform: did you colorize it [23:21]
junseth decimation: What do you define as "manipulation?" [23:21]
BingoBoingo it has the advantage that it is dead, which limits the urge to 'upgrade' << Thing is also huge, bloated [23:21]
asciilifeform nope [23:21]
asciilifeform no color [23:21]
asciilifeform traditional b&w printer [23:21]
decimation BingoBoingo: ah but it has functional 'dtrace' [23:21]
BingoBoingo decimation: Do you want to make sense of ZFS turd? [23:22]
decimation junseth: well, in the simple case, the quantity of dollars that are 'allowed' to exist [23:22]
decimation zfs isn't needed to boot [23:22]
* asciilifeform unlike BingoBoingo, is not enamoured of 1980s commercial unixen [23:22]
asciilifeform even if 'opened' posthumously [23:23]
decimation asciilifeform: well, what would you suggest? buildroot? [23:24]
danielpbarron junseth, see also the arbitrary banning of various goods [23:24]
BingoBoingo Solaris in all likelyhood far too heavy and greasy to adapt to embedable minimalism [23:24]
asciilifeform buildroot. [23:24]
decimation on 486? [23:24]
asciilifeform on mips [23:24]
asciilifeform unrelated, [23:25]
trinque decimation: junseth: and the subsidy of various "goods" [23:25]
asciilifeform i have the arm turd from the failed test (see earlier listserv post) running on 'arch' [23:25]
junseth Haha, well the question is what was the alternative. The alternative before the Fed was not necessarily better. I'm not a fan of central banks. But I think it's disingenuous to say that the central bank hasn't done a decent job of "running" the currency. The solution is to solve the problems caused by central banking. I think that's why we're all Bitcoiners. [23:26]
asciilifeform 105300+ and no oom [23:26]
trinque junseth: I'm a "bitcoiner" to see central banking go extinct [23:26]
asciilifeform its a standard skull'n'crossbone orphanage burner with max cap set to 25 [23:27]
asciilifeform and non-rollovering debug.log [23:27]
nubbins` nice [23:27]
asciilifeform ^ what kind of retard made debug.log roll over? [23:27]
asciilifeform surely not satoshi ? [23:27]
asciilifeform why even have it, if it randomly loses itself [23:27]
nubbins` "a finite amount of log should be good enough for anybody" [23:28]
junseth trinque: I don't know many Bitcoiners who would disagree. I'm just less vehement about that happening. I think Bitcoin is better money. [23:28]
danielpbarron ah yes, good habit to cat .bitcoin/debug.log >> debug.log between each restart [23:28]
decimation junseth: " But anyway, if you look at that case, if you look at other cases, I think the pattern is pretty clear that the least restricted systems are the ones that performed best from the point of view of the average user of money. And those were systems that were on gold or silver standards. And there doesn't seem to have been any great dissatisfaction with that. There were proposals by some economists to try to have a system that [23:28]
decimation was even more stable in purchasing power. But in retrospect, the variations in the purchasing power of the dollar under the classical gold standard were trivial compared to what it's been under the post-gold-standard period, the fiat dollar standard. " [23:28]
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danielpbarron junseth, bitcoin is better money because of its decentralized nature [23:29]
mats oh thank god there's a transcript [23:30]
decimation mats: yeah it's a good episode, I recommend it [23:30]
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junseth Do you think that Bitocin would be better if it were backed by gold or silver? [23:30]
danielpbarron such a thing makes no sense [23:31]
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mats what would that even entail? [23:31]
KatelynTaylor whats better AMD or Intel? [23:31]
KatelynTaylor what can run bitcoin better? [23:31]
asciilifeform !down meowmix [23:31]
decimation ^ the above is lifted out of a section where dr. white was talking about how the scotish banking system was crushed by bank of england fiat banking [23:31]
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asciilifeform dearphuq. [23:31]
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mats market maker offers exchange for metallics? [23:31]
junseth danielbparron, Well, I would say that electronic, non-government controlled money is better money. Bitcoin's decentralization lets us take advantage of those better features. Previous attempts at using what we all agreed would have been better were shutdown because they were centralized. [23:32]
asciilifeform 'Sometimes it is a comfort to me to think that the aeroplane is altering the conditions of war. Perhaps when the next great war comes we may see that sight unprecedented in all history, a jingo with a bullet-hole in him.' -- orwell. but i'd ask for 'an economist starved to death' [23:32]
danielpbarron junseth, bitcoin is inherently valuable; it needs nothing else to back it [23:32]
trinque !s gold [23:32]
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danielpbarron i like gold; i'd hapily accept gold coins in some sort of local economy [23:33]
junseth I agree backing bitcoin with metal doesn't make sense. But there are so many scams that are showing up these days that are taking advantage of the sentiment that a gold/silver backed crypto would be better. [23:33]
junseth RE: Bitcoin's inherent value, I agree. [23:33]
danielpbarron but i'd keep my savings in bitcoin, using it to replentish my gold coins on a monthly basis or something [23:33]
nubbins` sort of like how a car with a built-in stove would be better [23:34]
asciilifeform junseth: there are also many scams which promise to run your car on water. for some reason their existence doesn't bother folks who aren't drooling idiots. [23:34]
punkman car-stove sounds good [23:34]
asciilifeform how many nerve cells does it take to understand that a random net derp cannot back X with Y, for any value of x or y [23:34]
decimation junseth: the kinds of folks who would 'fall' for those scams are generally not the kind who are going to matter in bitcoin over the long term [23:34]
junseth hahaha, absolutely true. [23:34]
asciilifeform nor would he, if could [23:34]
decimation bitcoin is a fiat currency, but is also radically decentralized [23:35]
decimation but its foundation of trust lies fully in its protocol and specification [23:35]
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decimation which is why the work of the foundation is so important [23:36]
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junseth :) Haha. I agree with all of that. [23:36]
junseth I would be willing to bet a lot of money that we agree on almost everything Bitcoin ,an dprobably disagree a lot about how markets work. [23:37]
asciilifeform junseth: do you believe that it is appropriate to use the word 'market' to describe a system where the crown is the single largest economic actor ? [23:37]
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junseth Hmm... well, I would say that ther eis probably no such thing as a unregulated market. But any place that exists wher epeople transact is a market. [23:39]
asciilifeform junseth: how about a puppet show where kermit the frog 'buys' a bag of 'fuzzies' from miss piggy ? [23:40]
asciilifeform is that also a 'market' ? [23:40]
asciilifeform if not, why not ? [23:40]
trinque nothing in *life* is unregulated but this is distinct from saying *all* regulations come from *one* place [23:40]
junseth haha, a market of two people is a market. [23:41]
junseth a market of two things is a market [23:41]
junseth Haha, I would probably apply the supreme court porn test to whether somethign is a market or not [23:42]
asciilifeform how about n people and one demented omnipotent monster who can eat them at will. [23:42]
trinque so the word means nothing [23:42]
trinque junseth: are two male chimps in a cage a viable ecosystem? [23:45]
junseth Haha, well a market is a place where individuals come and transact. That's what it means. What does it look like? I mean, it can look like a lot of things. But a marketplace doesn't have to look like any one thing. [23:45]
junseth Hahaha. Are they intelligent enough to make trades and transact? [23:45]
asciilifeform words have -meanings.' [23:45]
trinque didn't say transact [23:45]
trinque junseth: I am drawing a parallel between functioning natural ecosystems and functioning markets [23:46]
decimation asciilifeform: ok let's say you employ buildroot. which kernel? which gcc/glib? [23:46]
asciilifeform decimation: 'easy' - the ones that -work-. [23:46]
decimation heh [23:46]
asciilifeform the kernel, for what it's worth, is not a sticking point. [23:47]
decimation I would suggest a redhat-patched gcc actually [23:48]
asciilifeform ick [23:48]
asciilifeform why [23:48]
decimation well, they follow exactly the method you advocate [23:48]
asciilifeform what method would that be [23:48]
decimation if you look at the contents of a src.rpm it's a collection of patches with the original tarball [23:48]
asciilifeform redhat is more or less the last thing i want to use for anything linux-related. [23:48]
asciilifeform it is indelibly stained. [23:49]
decimation I get it, but a patch is a patch [23:49]
asciilifeform for what do i need these stooges' patches ? [23:49]
decimation certainly I'm not saying that they should be taken on redhat's name alone [23:50]
asciilifeform what the hell is wrong with naked, classical gcc. [23:50]
asciilifeform straight from rms's arse [23:50]
decimation well, many of them are probably not useful in the context of buildroot [23:50]
trinque lol [23:50]
decimation but some of them are probably fixes for obscure bugs that might be useful to know about [23:50]
asciilifeform i don't want any redhat patches. if were any good, would have made it back into mainline. [23:50]
asciilifeform i do not want them in the zoo, i do not want them with a gnu, i do not want them in a house, i do not want them with a mouse, ... , ... [23:51]
decimation i admit that many of them are probably useful bugfixes that are backported [23:51]
asciilifeform i do not want them in a lake, i do not want them on the stake, ... [23:51]
decimation redhat is used in many places [23:52]
decimation perhaps not 'avionics grade', but there is quite a bit of 'fix this shit' [23:53]
* asciilifeform has used, did not like. [23:53]
asciilifeform because, aside from the authorship, [23:53]
asciilifeform it is neither minimal, nor clean, nor self-reconstructing. [23:53]
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decimation asciilifeform: well, self-reconstructing is one thing, but certainly the very 'base' install isn't much bigger than a buildroot [23:55]
junseth "junseth: I am drawing a parallel between functioning natural ecosystems and functioning markets" I'm not sure what you mean. Can you [23:55]
junseth expound. [23:55]
decimation I suppose my overall point is that if the build target is 'frozen', someone is gonna have to maintain the infrastructure [23:58]
decimation so one can take advantage of that which exists already commercially, or 'do it self' [23:58]
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