Forum logs for 02 Apr 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

mircea_popescu	asciilifeform "I can verify that downgrading to Perl 5.16 works." uh ?!	[00:02]
nubbins`	asciilifeform haven't peeked at your latest mail yet, but applying the portatronic patch turns my uint32_t error into an int64_t error	[00:05]
nubbins`	but there's another error right before that, almost missed it.	[00:05]
nubbins`	http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=yG2UrE1k	[00:05]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/19LMatO )	[00:05]
nubbins`	bitcoinrpc.cpp:1761:30: error: expected primary-expression before ‘(’ token	[00:05]
BingoBoingo	Twitter was very sad today https://twitter.com/KenRoth/status/583117607777243136	[00:06]
assbot	It turns out the photo of 4-year-old Syrian girl surrendering to a camera is real, not faked. http://t.co/7Vw3MoGWGN http://t.co/RsiQhJWDPS	[00:06]
*	BingoBoingo waits for Vatican to invade Damascus	[00:07]
nubbins`	rename it davatican	[00:07]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[00:08]
nubbins`	here all night.	[00:09]
nubbins`	but really though, the closest stable gcc version to mod6's 4.4.5 that portage still carries is 4.4.7	[00:09]
nubbins`	i'm gonna give that a shit	[00:09]
BingoBoingo	Also here apparently is what BuzzDave is up to atm, would rewrite but drinking my drink before crisis budget hits tommorrow. http://www.coindesk.com/coinbase-seeks-details-us-bitcoin-mining/	[00:09]
assbot	Coinbase Seeks 'Invasive' Details on US Bitcoin Mining Operations ... ( http://bit.ly/19LMOaF )	[00:09]
nubbins`	tbh gentoo is the odd one out here, which is curious	[00:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 148250 @ 0.00025289 = 37.4909 BTC [-]	[00:10]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1083563 << you don't understand : we already ARE stuck with this. want it or not.	[00:10]
assbot	Logged on 02-04-2015 02:21:46; asciilifeform: aha so now we have a local fork of openssl ?	[00:10]
mircea_popescu	since bitcoin pulled the code AS IT WAS and built a chain on it, the optionsare :	[00:10]
mircea_popescu	fork the chain or maintain the historical copy.	[00:10]
mircea_popescu	thjaty's it.	[00:10]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo da force gotta know what to steal, right ?	[00:10]
mircea_popescu	usg doing a splendid job of getting the muppets do the "case da joint" work for free.	[00:11]
decimation	^ french housewives enforced the various 'maximums'	[00:12]
*	BingoBoingo actually affected by MP's deed of the day. lacks assets for USG to steal	[00:12]
BingoBoingo	*minimally effected	[00:13]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: but applying the portatronic patch turns my uint32_t error into an int64_t error << apply the -other- patch. the one from 2hrs ago.	[00:13]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1083580 << it's a leonard cohenism.	[00:13]
assbot	Logged on 02-04-2015 02:24:41; asciilifeform: this is 'the hole through which the night walks in', to borrow a mircea_popescuism	[00:13]
nubbins`	yeah, just checking that now	[00:13]
mircea_popescu	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU-RuR-qO4Y	[00:14]
assbot	Leonard Cohen - Democracy - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1akZOFs )	[00:14]
mircea_popescu	hm... check that out, actually it isn't. he has a "coming through a hole in the air", thing. and there's an excellent "the night comes on. it's very clam. i'd like to imagine my father was wrong..." very powerful verse somewhere else.	[00:15]
mircea_popescu	i guess i contributed the mix. dj mp.	[00:15]
nubbins`	heh	[00:15]
asciilifeform	Coinbase Seeks 'Invasive' Details on US Bitcoin Mining Operations << this is, to use the 'manosphere' term of art, a 'shit test'	[00:15]
mircea_popescu	... but you don't wanna lie... not to the yo-oung...	[00:15]
asciilifeform	anyone who doesn't send them off to pound sand up arse - has bowed to usg	[00:16]
nubbins`	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dkyiu3GZ8eQ	[00:16]
assbot	Leonard Cohen - Love Calls You By Your Name - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1al08E5 )	[00:16]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform it's probably useful in building the lists of who can be dekulakized willingly.	[00:16]
BingoBoingo	I dunno if anyone here other than hanbot will be familiar with BuzzDave's MO, building ASIC mining farm at any budget, whether feeds scamzors or not in the process irrelevant	[00:17]
asciilifeform	list of who doesn't even consider it dekulakization - merely owner coming 'back' to take what is 'his', that he merely let you store in safekeeping for a spell.	[00:17]
asciilifeform	if you built a miner, 'you didn't build that'	[00:17]
mircea_popescu	well... nothing is as strictly relevant to national security as a mining farm, factually speaking.	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	airjets can be made out of imported parts. and are. and they suck. and it doesn't matter.	[00:18]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu has it	[00:18]
asciilifeform	this has more immediate implications than commandeering mere jet factory.	[00:19]
*	BingoBoingo knows of no circumstantial evidence that suggest USG proxy more than exists for BuzzDave.	[00:19]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo we're talking more "coming years" than "situation atm" here.	[00:19]
decimation	parts of usg would gravely protest other parts of usg minting non-usd	[00:19]
*	BingoBoingo imagines in this instance lizards sacrificing CoinBase cred in swap to offer cred to Dave	[00:19]
mircea_popescu	". The deal, according to a "solicitation" document, would be worth $2.1 million — to the U.S. taxpayer, at least." << how to get 20k ipads for 100 bucks each ?	[00:20]
mircea_popescu	decimation this is not going away. the usg's hunger for btc far exceeds its hunger for anything else COMBINED.	[00:21]
decimation	mircea_popescu: perhaps, but to fully realize it usg would have to publicly destroy the dollar bezzle	[00:24]
mircea_popescu	nope.	[00:24]
mircea_popescu	you act from this strange notion of perfect knowledge.	[00:25]
decimation	who is gonna want to be paid in dollars while the fed is hoarding bitcoin	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	everyone ?	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	i don't think you appreciate how stupid people are.	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	who wants to fuck with an ipad when there's a perfectly usable desktop ?	[00:25]
decimation	I suppose the same holds roughly true with gold	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	who wants "drm coffee machine" ?	[00:25]
nubbins`	EVERYONE	[00:25]
nubbins`	:D	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	who, pray tell me, eats the shit it eats that it just shat ?	[00:25]
decimation	but the sheer fact of usg's gold's possession 'made' it the reserve currency	[00:26]
mircea_popescu	nope.	[00:26]
mircea_popescu	the sheer fact of the b-a of the time made it. the usg follows in all dances. never yet lead, never will lead.	[00:26]
mircea_popescu	once those went away... well...	[00:26]
mircea_popescu	and as "we" have agreed bitcoin is what it is, well...	[00:26]
decimation	the 'headless beast' is hard to kill but easy to misguide	[00:27]
mircea_popescu	what are you going to kill lol, bilge water ?	[00:29]
mircea_popescu	"i am arthur son of uther pendragon, defeater of the molds, killer of the bilge water!"	[00:29]
asciilifeform	more like ants.	[00:29]
nubbins`	asciilifeform http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=xT8ezS6b	[00:29]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1al2ymg )	[00:29]
asciilifeform	who hasn't killed an ant colony	[00:30]
mircea_popescu	im off ! laters.	[00:30]
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*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 5 16:58:12 2014	[04:21]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65950 @ 0.0002513 = 16.5732 BTC [-]	[04:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67443 @ 0.00025318 = 17.0752 BTC [+]	[04:27]
BingoBoingo	;;ticker	[04:38]
gribble	Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 245.89, Best ask: 245.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 245.78, 24 hour volume: 22946.51481821, 24 hour low: 239.21, 24 hour high: 248.71, 24 hour vwap: None	[04:38]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 246950 @ 0.00024837 = 61.335 BTC [-] {4}	[04:38]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2015/the-definitive-sovereign/ < updated, because i can't sleep now, because of this stroke of brilliance.	[04:38]
assbot	The definitive sovereign pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1I6L2Qg )	[04:38]
mircea_popescu	really the similarities are many and varied.	[04:39]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1083737 < nsa.	[04:42]
assbot	Logged on 02-04-2015 03:26:39; decimation: asciilifeform: one wonders what the openssl authors use as a 'baseline os'	[04:42]
mircea_popescu	it's easy when you're on stupid team.	[04:42]
mircea_popescu	your shit doesn't have to actually work.	[04:42]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1083756 << yeah your hole was, to my grief, readily reproduced.	[04:43]
assbot	Logged on 02-04-2015 03:29:10; asciilifeform: ok so nubbins` has what i have.	[04:43]
mircea_popescu	once i was done screaming so people could ask questions.	[04:43]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1083766 << this option is not unlike proving you didn't fuck a goat by proving you impregnated it.	[04:44]
assbot	Logged on 02-04-2015 03:34:34; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu:fork the chain or maintain the historical copy. << third option: make new apparatus, prove idempotence.	[04:44]
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mircea_popescu	in that "proof of idempotence" has generally been orders of magnitude more successful at proving the proving party has no idea what proving means,	[04:45]
mircea_popescu	rather than the intended result.	[04:45]
*	assbot removes voice from hktud0	[04:46]
mircea_popescu	also speaking of " dns providers" : http://0pointer.de/lennart/projects/nss-mdns/	[04:46]
assbot	nss-mdns 0.10 ... ( http://bit.ly/1I6LQos )	[04:46]
mircea_popescu	"Please note that due to security reasons from this release on the minimal mDNS stack included in nss-mdns (dubbed "legacy") is no longer built by default. Thus, nss-mdns will not work unless Avahi is running!"	[04:47]
mircea_popescu	also https://www.openhub.net/accounts/mezcalero if anyone's actually that curious.	[04:49]
assbot	Lennart Poettering : Lennart Poettering - Open Hub ... ( http://bit.ly/1I6M6nd )	[04:49]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform dude how did you dig up the fialka thing.	[04:54]
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[]bot	Bet placed: 2.10372615 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $150 before July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1133/ Odds: 20(Y):80(N) by coin, 21(Y):79(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.08572615 BTC. Current weight: 95,148.	[05:12]
[]bot	Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) to drop under $35 before June " http://bitbet.us/bet/1129/ Odds: 10(Y):90(N) by coin, 12(Y):88(N) by weight. Total bet: 12.8656096 BTC. Current weight: 74,132.	[05:17]
mircea_popescu	http://www.cryptomuseum.com/crypto/fialka/psu/img/300125/019/full.jpg gotta love that crazy shit.	[05:25]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1GOkKAG )	[05:25]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform and speaking of it : http://www.cryptomuseum.com/crypto/fialka/psu/img/Tempest.png doesn't look like the exceptionally advanced thing the article promised. seems to me the solenoid-driven switching would create so much echo as to make it readily measurable.	[05:32]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1GOlIwW )	[05:32]
mircea_popescu	i suppose "works according to what we know how to do" is the one standard of tradecraft.	[05:32]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1083796 << exactly.	[05:33]
assbot	Logged on 02-04-2015 03:51:47; asciilifeform: i can see this being given to unreliable warsaw pact nations to -amplify- their tempest emanations	[05:33]
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BingoBoingo	!up asteric	[05:35]
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mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1083827 i guess i should just read logs lol	[05:35]
assbot	Logged on 02-04-2015 04:00:21; asciilifeform: considering that solenoid is an inductive load, and resistor is - well - resistive.	[05:35]
mircea_popescu	why the fuck not put in there... some "carefully chosen" solenoids of the right fucking charge.	[05:35]
mircea_popescu	how hard is it to reproduce a coil of wire with... another coil of wire!	[05:35]
*	BingoBoingo did not expect axe time to offer this much lead to work the whetstone before sword time	[05:36]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1083849 << dude what the fuck is so very convenient about all the rotor bs i dunno.	[05:37]
assbot	Logged on 02-04-2015 04:09:37; asciilifeform: but 'omg11111111111111!1!!11!!11 not convenient!!'	[05:38]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78350 @ 0.00024829 = 19.4535 BTC [-]	[05:51]
mircea_popescu	http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060558/ << hory sheit!!	[06:00]
assbot	Jesse James Meets Frankenstein's Daughter (1966) - IMDb ... ( http://bit.ly/1GOpu9w )	[06:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 233444 @ 0.00024885 = 58.0925 BTC [+] {2}	[06:00]
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mircea_popescu	"To view a downloaded movie, you double-click it. And then you're watching it. Stick a recent commercial DVD into your player, though, and you'll probably have to sit through lengthy, un-skippable warnings about how dastardly is the piracy in which you did not just engage."	[06:10]
mircea_popescu	"if kids continue to not show up for class, the class will continue to get detention!"	[06:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127646 @ 0.00025424 = 32.4527 BTC [+] {2}	[06:23]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1083930 << this seems exceedingly likely, especially with stuff like the "oh open source is more secure because million eyes" million examples fresh in memory.	[06:23]
assbot	Logged on 02-04-2015 04:44:24; asciilifeform: they could be put on the tree today and would stay unpicked.	[06:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50198 @ 0.00025644 = 12.8728 BTC [+]	[06:24]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo you not getting enough fluid ? :D	[06:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 204700 @ 0.00024694 = 50.5486 BTC [-] {2}	[06:36]
[]bot	Bet placed: 6.10372615 BTC for No on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) to drop under $35 before June " http://bitbet.us/bet/1129/ Odds: 7(Y):93(N) by coin, 8(Y):92(N) by weight. Total bet: 18.96933575 BTC. Current weight: 74,045.	[06:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47665 @ 0.00025118 = 11.9725 BTC [+]	[06:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 180450 @ 0.00024481 = 44.176 BTC [-] {2}	[07:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 189800 @ 0.00024445 = 46.3966 BTC [-] {2}	[07:15]
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*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 5 16:58:12 2014	[15:17]
-assbot-	Welcome to #bitcoin-assets. To get voice (ie, to be able to speak), send me "!up" in a private message to get an OTP. You must have a sufficient WoT rating. If you do not have a WoT account or sufficient rating, try politely asking one of the voiced people for a temporary voice.	[15:17]
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mircea_popescu	good mornin'!	[15:19]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 439400 @ 0.00025376 = 111.5021 BTC [+] {2}	[15:25]
ben_vulpes	ein popescu!	[15:31]
mircea_popescu	ja!	[15:31]
asciilifeform	l0l	[15:33]
ben_vulpes	dude these logs are dense	[15:36]
mircea_popescu	heh. as in stupid ?	[15:37]
ben_vulpes	it's not the number of lines but the maaaadness described herein	[15:37]
jurov	BingoBoingo: interested in "Weekly #b-a"? i need at least someting useful to come out of this	[15:37]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha wut!	[15:37]
mircea_popescu	jurov yes actually, summaries have been sought and hoped and desired for year+	[15:37]
ben_vulpes	every 2 lines i have to hare off to the internet - "buildroot" "qemu"	[15:37]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes that's only because you're a young fox.	[15:37]
asciilifeform	there breatheth a man who has not heard of 'qemu' ?	[15:38]
ben_vulpes	up yrs, asciilifeform	[15:38]
jurov	^	[15:38]
mircea_popescu	apparently. EVEN I!!!! had actually seen the thing used.	[15:38]
mircea_popescu	and honestly, i should be the king noob here.	[15:38]
ben_vulpes	naw, you're too old to be a noob anymore.	[15:38]
mircea_popescu	but i never put any serious effort into electrical engineering!	[15:38]
mircea_popescu	point in case : that's how you say "computing" imh.	[15:39]
jurov	s.qntr arrived	[15:39]
mircea_popescu	jurov just sent it yeah. was about to notify you	[15:39]
jurov	who wants to get'em first?	[15:39]
mircea_popescu	but then I GOT CAUGHT IN A BA CONVO	[15:39]
ben_vulpes	"imh" << in my house?	[15:39]
mircea_popescu	head	[15:39]
ben_vulpes	ah	[15:39]
jurov	lol	[15:39]
mircea_popescu	i was going to, but then i got caught in conversation!	[15:39]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu> but i never put any serious effort into electrical engineering! << said the chap with his own bitcoind running on soviet trinary comp	[15:39]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you will notice it is not my effort tho.	[15:39]
mircea_popescu	i have put plenty of ope, as you may well be aware of from unrelatedlandia.	[15:40]
asciilifeform	haha aha.	[15:40]
asciilifeform	s.qntr arrived << my broadcast also coming soonish	[15:40]
*	asciilifeform presently lightly occupied with a couplea unrelated things	[15:40]
mircea_popescu	we should start our own cockney. coupla unrelated things = fleas.	[15:41]
asciilifeform	'flee,' said the fly; 'fly,' said the flea...	[15:41]
bitstein	mircea_popescu, mod6: The deed link at the bottom of http://thebitcoin.foundation/declaration.txt redirects to a weird domain registration site.	[15:42]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Gkw3A7 )	[15:42]
mircea_popescu	ugh	[15:42]
ben_vulpes	linkrot!	[15:42]
mircea_popescu	hot damn...	[15:42]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla any idea why http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/ redirects to unregistry.com ?	[15:43]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1GkweLY )	[15:43]
trinque	perfect time for me to point out that current incarnation needs friendly hosting	[15:43]
mircea_popescu	oh wait it is not kako's fault	[15:43]
mircea_popescu	TRINQUE	[15:43]
trinque	is not	[15:43]
trinque	I don't run whatever URL that is	[15:43]
mircea_popescu	a) put the fucking history in and b) fix your 404 scheme	[15:43]
trinque	that's not hitting the current one, wherever it's going	[15:43]
mircea_popescu	what happens is that http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/deed/9ULZPc7yeZ9fQEA1aZ73H6mcv1s2C4gYFAbNTb5urovj gets -> to deedbot.org/ deed/9ULZPc7yeZ9fQEA1aZ73H6mcv1s2C4gYFAbNTb5urovj	[15:43]
mircea_popescu	which...	[15:44]
assbot	Domain Names - New gTLDs \| Uniregistry ... ( http://bit.ly/1GkwmLc )	[15:44]
bitstein	mircea_popescu: http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/ redirects to http://deedbot.org/ for me. It's that specific deed link that is redirecting to unregistry.com	[15:44]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/19NfCjn )	[15:44]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/19NfCzN )	[15:44]
mircea_popescu	right.	[15:44]
trinque	http://deedbot.org/deed/9ULZPc7yeZ9fQEA1aZ73H6mcv1s2C4gYFAbNTb5urovj << normal aws 404	[15:44]
assbot	404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/19NfJv7 )	[15:44]
trinque	and I don't know what that registry is	[15:44]
trinque	never heard of her	[15:44]
mircea_popescu	weirdness.	[15:44]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 188050 @ 0.00025508 = 47.9678 BTC [+] {3}	[15:45]
mircea_popescu	> Host: deeds.bitcoin-assets.com	[15:45]
mircea_popescu	> Accept: /	[15:45]
mircea_popescu	>	[15:45]
mircea_popescu	< HTTP/1.1 302 Found	[15:45]
mircea_popescu	< Server: nginx/1.2.1	[15:45]
mircea_popescu	eyah ok.	[15:45]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72500 @ 0.00025193 = 18.2649 BTC [-]	[15:59]
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mircea_popescu	perfect time for me to point out that current incarnation needs friendly hosting << fucking hell someone start that hoster already.	[16:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 169700 @ 0.00024797 = 42.0805 BTC [-] {2}	[16:31]
jurov	trinque what specs?	[16:34]
trinque	minimal	[16:34]
asciilifeform	if we do the emulatron thing, it will -definitely- need hosting	[16:34]
mircea_popescu	you need what, python for the bot ?	[16:34]
trinque	python and go	[16:34]
asciilifeform	i'd rather not put a multigig turd on my puny hostatron	[16:34]
trinque	and some space for the blockchain	[16:34]
mircea_popescu	some space aka 50gb	[16:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000000 @ 0.000257 = 257 BTC [+] {8}	[16:35]
jurov	interesting, what it needs blockchain for?	[16:35]
trinque	has its own node	[16:36]
asciilifeform	naturally deedbot has node	[16:36]
asciilifeform	how else.	[16:36]
nubbins`	<+punkman> " balaclava-clad goon attempts to burn a fire-resistant EU flag" <<< protip: spray paint the corner of the thing before lighting	[16:36]
jurov	i see	[16:37]
mircea_popescu	pretty much means server for it can't have ssd.	[16:37]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` or squirt 190 proof alcohol on it	[16:37]
asciilifeform	ssd isn't -really- 'disposable'	[16:37]
jurov	so, we can bootstrap on aws and move to iron later	[16:37]
asciilifeform	lasts about as long as the shitty mechanical disks sold in past 5 yrs	[16:37]
asciilifeform	neither is worth anything except in heterogeneous tandem.	[16:38]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform just meant for size. server ssd 100gb is expensive as shit	[16:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1245983 @ 0.00026371 = 328.5782 BTC [+] {8}	[16:38]
jurov	trinque any specific distro?	[16:38]
mircea_popescu	jurov i think he is on aws already	[16:38]
trinque	currently gentoo which is my preference	[16:39]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu i'd say that man drinks the 190 proof	[16:39]
nubbins`	prob drinks the paint too, i mean, that 'clava doesn't even fit him! it's like 3x too big!	[16:39]
mircea_popescu	wait he's dressed in a pastry ?	[16:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 168200 @ 0.00026831 = 45.1297 BTC [+] {2}	[16:40]
nubbins`	heh	[16:40]
nubbins`	"the man donned his baclava"	[16:40]
nubbins`	oh hey, 10 minutes left in this auction: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=975256.msg10963734#msg10963734	[16:40]
asciilifeform	unrelated:	[16:40]
assbot	Casascius 0.5 BTC Silver Series-2 physical bitcoin: NO RESERVE, 30-DAY AUCTION ... ( http://bit.ly/1BV27pl )	[16:40]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: http://thesemenette.com/home.html	[16:41]
assbot	The Semenette® : : : Even Better than the Real Thing ... ( http://bit.ly/1BV29xp )	[16:41]
nubbins`	if you wanna see people be loose with money, that's the place to go	[16:41]
asciilifeform	(don't ask how found this, l0l)	[16:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 585817 @ 0.00027037 = 158.3873 BTC [+] {5}	[16:41]
jurov	trinque are you interested in running it on pogoplug?	[16:42]
trinque	jurov: the bot part I think I will	[16:43]
trinque	mircea_popescu: what do you think about the deeds being added to the wiki?	[16:43]
trinque	jurov: I have a pogo here	[16:43]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1BV33df )	[16:44]
mircea_popescu	trinque added to the wiki how ?	[16:44]
mircea_popescu	which one ?	[16:44]
nubbins`	hanbot try "deedbot- http://blah"	[16:46]
nubbins`	and also:	[16:46]
nubbins`	!up deedbot-	[16:46]
*	assbot gives voice to deedbot-	[16:46]
hanbot	deedbot- http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=CmWcr0iw	[16:46]
deedbot-	rejected: 1	[16:46]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1BV3xjC )	[16:46]
nubbins`	man you guise. /nick nubbot	[16:46]
hanbot	lol	[16:46]
nubbins`	maybe deedbot should be auto-voiced by assbot? dem silent fails	[16:47]
trinque	that'd be quicker than waiting for me to give it fancy auth-to-assbot code	[16:47]
nubbins`	!gettrust assbot deedbot-	[16:48]
assbot	deedbot- is not registered in WoT.	[16:48]
nubbins`	well	[16:49]
jurov	anyone interested in hosted pogoplugs w/2 terabyte hdds? or 2x100G ssd?	[16:49]
*	nubbins` has 3 pogoplugs and 2 more in the mail	[16:50]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: didn't you predict that someone would manufacture automatic impregnatrons ? i distinctly recall an essay concerning such	[16:50]
nubbins`	i'm gonna need babysitting, not hosting ;D	[16:50]
trinque	hanbot: it does not know your public key, which is added in the same fashion	[16:50]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform aha.	[16:50]
nubbins`	man i'm outta touch w/ this new deedbot	[16:50]
nubbins`	i gotta pastebin my public key?	[16:50]
mircea_popescu	the lulzy part is that they try to make it sound feminine :D	[16:50]
mircea_popescu	"The Semenette® is unique because it offers the ability to replace the embedded plastic tubing with each use, eliminating sanitary concerns about mixing liquids you choose to put into the tube."	[16:51]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you not getting enough fluid ? :D << I survived log catch up time	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	somebody had equal-opportunity thermodynamics class.	[16:51]
asciilifeform	also i predicted a very different machine, that would include the chinese donor 'milking' box in the next room	[16:51]
asciilifeform	in real time	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	mp	[16:52]
mircea_popescu	mp's rule of the junkworld : no machine may be roomsized.	[16:52]
asciilifeform	not room sized in its crate!	[16:52]
mircea_popescu	if orc can't carry it, it already has problems.	[16:52]
asciilifeform	but set up with a wall, or else what is the point	[16:52]
mircea_popescu	free the crates11!	[16:52]
asciilifeform	(what the actual point is, is probably only comprehensible to u.s. pheminist types)	[16:52]
mircea_popescu	i don't think you exactly understand how envy that wears a coat and hides in the hallways works.	[16:53]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: it could be packaged in a large suitcase, containing a reel of hose.	[16:53]
mircea_popescu	imagine there was a breed of marginally intelligent rabid dogs, and they attacked cars	[16:53]
mircea_popescu	because... can't carry one.	[16:53]
nubbins`	ahaha man this is great.	[16:54]
nubbins`	people putting bids in with 60 seconds left	[16:54]
mircea_popescu	this is kind-of what online action has come to mean i thought.	[16:54]
nubbins`	i'm gonna pretend that wasn't a typo	[16:54]
nubbins`	because this truly is action	[16:54]
nubbins`	anyway, late bids extend the end time by 15 minutes	[16:55]
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nubbins`	so it's just people being silly	[16:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113700 @ 0.00027094 = 30.8059 BTC [+] {2}	[16:55]
hanbot	deedbot- http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=yRW6nuuQ	[16:55]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1GkHOqc )	[16:55]
deedbot-	imported: EA0FAD90985B3025576A5061454B0FC0BC07B87E	[16:55]
mircea_popescu	lol	[16:56]
hanbot	deedbot- http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=CmWcr0iw	[16:56]
deedbot-	accepted: 1	[16:56]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1BV3xjC )	[16:56]
hanbot	ty trinque, nubbins :)	[16:56]
trinque	np	[16:56]
asciilifeform	envy that wears a coat and hides in the hallways works << also wai wat	[16:57]
asciilifeform	what kind of coat does envy wear ?	[16:57]
mircea_popescu	allow me to show you.	[16:58]
mircea_popescu	http://www.demotivation.us/media/demotivators/demotivation.us__ENVY-It-Wears-a-Coat-and-Hides-in-Hallways-1.jpg	[16:58]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1BV6yAs )	[16:58]
asciilifeform	l0l	[16:59]
asciilifeform	what even is that	[16:59]
asciilifeform	can't tell if fatchick or hippie guy	[16:59]
mircea_popescu	that is the socialist of tomorrow.	[16:59]
mircea_popescu	neither can anyone else tell if fatchick or metrosexual.	[16:59]
mircea_popescu	but there clearly must be some regulation about all this unsanctioned mirror picture taking by self	[17:00]
asciilifeform	what's this to do with impregnatron, though	[17:01]
asciilifeform	(or perhaps i can guess what)	[17:01]
mircea_popescu	there's a reason you can't have a roomsized machine.	[17:01]
mircea_popescu	same reason people attacked big iron and lab cages.	[17:02]
mircea_popescu	which people ? these people.	[17:02]
asciilifeform	only posited 'room' to allow for the lesbianz to avoid seeing the spooge-supplier	[17:02]
mircea_popescu	there's a reason stuff must be ipad even if crapple does not work : orc wants things it can carry	[17:02]
asciilifeform	i'm engineer not psychiatrist.	[17:02]
mircea_popescu	there's no such thing as an engineer that's not a psychiatrist.	[17:02]
asciilifeform	point	[17:02]
mircea_popescu	THIS is what psychiatry actually is	[17:02]
nubbins`	mega point	[17:02]
mircea_popescu	what ballas does is more akin to theatrics.	[17:02]
asciilifeform	'build me a harness for efficiently tossing nun from helicopter.' -- 'what size nun?' -- 'a number-five.'	[17:03]
mircea_popescu	lol wut ?!	[17:03]
asciilifeform	^ example	[17:03]
mircea_popescu	now i'm lost lol. explain in simple words ?	[17:03]
asciilifeform	'mine is not to question why, mine is but to do and die'	[17:04]
mircea_popescu	oh lol	[17:04]
asciilifeform	assumed that apparatus for delivering fresh spoodge into a lesbian is necessary	[17:04]
asciilifeform	proceeded from there.	[17:04]
mircea_popescu	you can't proceed. "this harness is no good" "Why not ?" "it's yellow. duh."	[17:04]
mircea_popescu	ever ran into this ?	[17:05]
asciilifeform	every time.	[17:05]
mircea_popescu	so then stop pretending and learn psychiatry :D	[17:05]
*	asciilifeform learns.	[17:05]
*	mircea_popescu points out that his entire life he's been a transaltor, and perhaps the most successful/best paid/dearliest loved translator ever. started off translating the law to a bunch of burly dudes, then later translated romania to foreigners, then later translated psychiatry to engineers	[17:06]
mircea_popescu	today translating bitcoin to everyone.	[17:06]
nubbins`	lo siento pero no entiendo	[17:06]
nubbins`	i mean uh	[17:07]
mircea_popescu	you know thats funny ?	[17:07]
nubbins`	no speako spanisho	[17:07]
BingoBoingo	jurov: BingoBoingo: interested in "Weekly #b-a"? i need at least someting useful to come out of this << I see no reason why not	[17:07]
asciilifeform	today translating bitcoin to everyone. << the book. it must be printed!	[17:07]
mircea_popescu	cause lo siento means sorry, but it also means i hear you in a very unspanish ethymological approach	[17:07]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` call it castejan, suddenly you're refined.	[17:08]
nubbins`	unless you replace the two L's with a J	[17:08]
asciilifeform	'castejan' is castellano with mouth full ?	[17:08]
nubbins`	if i wanted to be refined, i'd decompose under pressure into hydrocarbons!	[17:08]
mircea_popescu	that's the fuck they do here.	[17:08]
nubbins`	parts of colombia do this too	[17:08]
mircea_popescu	they read ll like it were ascii.	[17:08]
nubbins`	medejin	[17:09]
asciilifeform	'The one L lama, he's a priest The two L llama, he's a beast ...'	[17:09]
nubbins`	tried alpaca meat, never tried llama	[17:09]
mircea_popescu	me either.	[17:10]
nubbins`	while i'll advance that it was "good", peruvian standard is to beat any steak with a maul before grilling	[17:10]
nubbins`	so i can't really say if it's actually as tender as it seemed	[17:11]
asciilifeform	and what of guinea pig meat ?	[17:11]
nubbins`	cuy? never tried.	[17:11]
asciilifeform	it was always no. 1 in my 'travel to south americas' mental list	[17:11]
nubbins`	was told it's too much work for the amount of meat	[17:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.QNTR] 6415 @ 0.00037719 = 2.4197 BTC [+]	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	i dunno anyone offering either of these o.O	[17:12]
nubbins`	both popular in peru	[17:12]
asciilifeform	iirc in peru	[17:12]
asciilifeform	aha	[17:12]
nubbins`	viva el peru glorioso!	[17:12]
hanbot	i dunno anyone offering either of these o.O << my butcher sells llamaburgers	[17:13]
mircea_popescu	nuts.	[17:14]
mircea_popescu	are they any good ?	[17:14]
hanbot	i'm not as curious	[17:14]
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nubbins`	anything burger-ified is generally edible	[17:14]
*	nubbins` has admittedly made "lamburger helper" more than once :(	[17:15]
mircea_popescu	hanbot no cuy ?	[17:15]
trinque	nubbins`: sounds... delicious	[17:15]
nubbins`	trinque lamb is ++	[17:15]
trinque	yeah, I tend to encounter it via greek food	[17:15]
mircea_popescu	lamb yes.	[17:15]
trinque	love it	[17:15]
mircea_popescu	i mostly eat indian food lamb.	[17:15]
nubbins`	i should make donairs ("doner kebab" for you non-eastern-canadians) with actual lamb soon	[17:16]
nubbins`	beef's good, but i mean	[17:16]
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nubbins`	saw this on a wall in a "love park" in lima, stays with me: http://imgur.com/2smAiq6	[17:19]
assbot	Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1BVbVQf )	[17:19]
asciilifeform	do any of you lot have an x86 or x86_64 bitcoind built -with debug symbols still- in ?	[17:19]
asciilifeform	i'd like one for a quick experiment.	[17:19]
asciilifeform	ideally dynamic build	[17:20]
nubbins`	not i	[17:20]
nubbins`	er hm	[17:20]
nubbins`	i don't think i have debug symbols built in. easy way to check?	[17:21]
asciilifeform	nm found one	[17:21]
nubbins`	young nubs in the amazon: http://imgur.com/gl4vfmS	[17:22]
assbot	Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1BVcKs3 )	[17:22]
nubbins`	oh man, that was the year i burned my hand! you can see the scar	[17:23]
*	nubbins` reminisces	[17:23]
asciilifeform	let's rephrase	[17:24]
asciilifeform	does anyone have an output of the latest release build	[17:24]
asciilifeform	but with -dynamic-	[17:24]
asciilifeform	... or not.	[17:26]
*	nubbins` is running latest release build, but assuming static	[17:28]
trinque	asciilifeform: I am building one on amd64 gentoo for ya	[17:29]
hanbot	mircea_popescu hello sir! no cuy at all i tell you!	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` well... "static".	[17:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114900 @ 0.00027158 = 31.2045 BTC [+] {2}	[17:30]
mircea_popescu	e-static it should be called.	[17:30]
nubbins`	yeah	[17:30]
nubbins`	staticky	[17:30]
nubbins`	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=975256.msg10963987#msg10963987 <<< the winning bid	[17:31]
assbot	Casascius 0.5 BTC Silver Series-2 physical bitcoin: NO RESERVE, 30-DAY AUCTION ... ( http://bit.ly/1BVfHJn )	[17:31]
nubbins`	meat for dinner tonight	[17:31]
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asciilifeform	holy everliving phuck, is auditing a cpp-built bin a pain.	[17:33]
mats	found yerself a greater fool eh	[17:33]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu said that pets can be trained to do anything - make them do this.	[17:33]
mircea_popescu	you know asciilifeform, i don't hate them. i love them.	[17:34]
asciilifeform	then train'em to do it with love.	[17:34]
mircea_popescu	lol	[17:34]
asciilifeform	anyway, for the record, my experiment concerned the question of how to create a mapping between a source tree and sections of resulting bin	[17:35]
nubbins`	http://imgur.com/jCUBrdF <<< man i got really skinny after two weeks of diarrhoea	[17:35]
assbot	Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1BVgNES )	[17:35]
asciilifeform	graph-colouring problem.	[17:35]
nubbins`	asciilifeform five colours should be enough for everyone 8)	[17:36]
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nubbins`	also, you brit-spell?!	[17:36]
asciilifeform	wat	[17:36]
trinque	he's referring to your dirty communist spelling of "color"	[17:37]
nubbins`	quick: what's the word for the people who live in the houses around you	[17:37]
nubbins`	don't think, just type	[17:37]
asciilifeform	l0l	[17:37]
asciilifeform	i dun spell, me fingerz spell	[17:37]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: schmucks?	[17:37]
nubbins`	bahaha	[17:37]
nubbins`	smarty	[17:38]
nubbins`	neigh*r	[17:38]
asciilifeform	Ah	[17:38]
*	nubbins` genuinely curious	[17:38]
asciilifeform	ou	[17:38]
*	nubbins` applauds softly	[17:38]
nubbins`	wd	[17:38]
asciilifeform	i mean, if we're gonna zap vowels why not let'em all go	[17:38]
asciilifeform	like the semitic langs	[17:38]
asciilifeform	nghbrs	[17:39]
mircea_popescu	neighbour.	[17:39]
mats	http://www.ics.uci.edu/~perl/ndss15_opaque_cfi.pdf	[17:39]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1P3qlH3 )	[17:39]
nubbins`	asciilifeform then a couple thou years from now you've got people taking guesses as to the True Name of mrc ppsc	[17:40]
nubbins`	YMMV, YHWH	[17:40]
asciilifeform	mats: is it just me or do 'aslr' and related items give a feeling of 'plugging the wrong end of the funnel' ?	[17:40]
mats	well, yes.	[17:40]
asciilifeform	mats: as in, 'why is the enemy supplying instructions for your cpu to execute in the first place'	[17:40]
asciilifeform	aslr is sorta like building a labyrinth in your house to slow burglars	[17:41]
asciilifeform	between rooms	[17:41]
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mats	fun fact: i played starcraft with the guy that patented ASLR.	[17:42]
asciilifeform	mats: how about the guy who patented the stone axe ?	[17:42]
mats	he also went on to write the Control Flow Guard code.	[17:42]
nubbins`	heh	[17:42]
nubbins`	iirc there's an hg wells story about the guy who invented the stone axe.	[17:42]
nubbins`	not a bad read	[17:43]
asciilifeform	it boggles my mind that aslr could be patented	[17:43]
asciilifeform	what year filed ?	[17:43]
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mircea_popescu	anything can bve patented	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	and as peole stupidify, more and more tyhings will be.	[17:43]
mats	2006 iirc	[17:43]
trinque	there's a patent on having a database of products and modifiers which dates to 2000s sometime	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	stuff that was ridiculous to patent in 1850, such as "how to make bread" definitely meets the bar today.	[17:43]
asciilifeform	mr mold, of all people, has watertight prior art from, iirc, '94	[17:43]
asciilifeform	it was his one and only academic paper.	[17:44]
mats	http://www.google.com/patents/US7831791	[17:44]
trinque	the twist was "synchronizing the data between multiple terminals	[17:44]
nubbins`	http://www.gutenberg.org/files/27365/27365-h/27365-h.htm#Page_59	[17:44]
assbot	Patent US7831791 - Method of address space layout randomization for windows operating systems - Google Patents ... ( http://bit.ly/1BViSki )	[17:44]
assbot	The Project Gutenberg eBook of Tales of Space and Time, by H. G. Wells	[17:44]
nubbins`	if anyone's interested	[17:44]
asciilifeform	l0l mentions winblows by name	[17:44]
asciilifeform	at uspto these are called 'wall hanger patents'	[17:44]
asciilifeform	as in, the only thing they are good for is office decoration	[17:44]
trinque	sure that and dragging every entity smaller than a billion plus in revenue into court to die by starvation	[17:45]
asciilifeform	trinque: you need at least a basic troll-grade patent for that	[17:45]
asciilifeform	not any old schizo rant will suffice	[17:45]
asciilifeform	contrary to popular belief	[17:45]
trinque	til there's an even lower tier of "valid" patents	[17:45]
trinque	I've seen insane, insane cases in the hospitality software space	[17:46]
asciilifeform	'designpatent' ?	[17:46]
trinque	prior art from the dawn of computing type patents	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform it occurs to me that if you spend some time now designing and patenting gasenwagens	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	you may end up controlling that space	[17:46]
asciilifeform	prior art, if can be authenticated, invalidates patent. retroactively.	[17:47]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: except that usg owns the patents (war trophies!)	[17:47]
nubbins`	heee	[17:47]
trinque	asciilifeform: jury of "peers"	[17:47]
trinque	this prior art thing if it actually worked would burn like a grease fire through 99.9% of software patents	[17:48]
asciilifeform	100%	[17:48]
trinque	the standards for "novel" seem trivial	[17:48]
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asciilifeform	anyway patents are a passenger on the burning atomic dirigible of usg	[17:48]
asciilifeform	all of'em.	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	not all of them.	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	seeing how you called whatever phrase a mpism	[17:50]
asciilifeform	unless a patent is so poorly constructed as to be thrown out immediately, any patent litigation in usaworld is a contest of bank accounts.	[17:50]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i didn't say 'authorships' but -patents- as we know'em.	[17:50]
asciilifeform	as in the weirdo crown monopolies.	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	well that.	[17:50]
asciilifeform	incidentally, did anyone read the 'buffoon's tale' link ?	[17:52]
asciilifeform	perfect allegory for usg.	[17:52]
asciilifeform	and its works.	[17:52]
trinque	asciilifeform: current release busts for me on uint32_t as well	[17:54]
asciilifeform	trinque: patched? and if so, how ?	[17:54]
trinque	have not made any attempt to fix it yet; have to attend to something else first	[17:54]
asciilifeform	trinque: post barf plz.	[17:55]
trinque	k	[17:55]
asciilifeform	along with os/gcc/etc	[17:55]
mats	;;seen FabianB	[17:56]
gribble	FabianB was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 17 weeks, 6 days, 4 hours, 35 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: not down but very slow it seems	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	scoopbot fetch	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	scoopbot -fetch	[17:56]
trinque	asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/01HWQYM.txt	[17:56]
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trinque	asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/1V47S94.txt	[17:57]
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asciilifeform	trinque: aha, precisely what happens to the published (without weirdo patches) release on my boxes.	[17:57]
asciilifeform	nubbins` et al ^^^^^^	[17:58]
trinque	asciilifeform: do you use a hardened toolchain?	[17:58]
asciilifeform	hardened how ?	[17:58]
trinque	gentoo hardened profile	[17:58]
asciilifeform	nope	[17:59]
trinque	dunno why that would magically poof in a header defining that type	[17:59]
asciilifeform	wait, did it ?!	[17:59]
trinque	no, saying I don't know why that would be relevant	[17:59]
asciilifeform	because your dump is quite the same as mine	[17:59]
trinque	mine is busted as yours	[18:00]
asciilifeform	incidentally, i don't like 'selinux'	[18:00]
trinque	wondering what's different about the debian	[18:00]
trinque	asciilifeform: yeah I don't use it	[18:00]
mats	do you like grsec?	[18:00]
asciilifeform	i invoke mircea_popescu's maxim that 'if there is anything good in it, it will have to be reinvented naively'	[18:00]
trinque	hardened here just means having things like stack protection turned on	[18:01]
mats	and why don't you like sel	[18:01]
mats	selinux	[18:01]
asciilifeform	mats: guess.	[18:01]
trinque	in my case it seems like a vast, complex surface to deal with	[18:01]
trinque	seems also that within that complexity you could hide nefarious things	[18:01]
mats	i know why i don't like selinux, but i have a feeling we don't intersect	[18:02]
mats	lemme guess: NSA?	[18:02]
asciilifeform	aha.	[18:02]
asciilifeform	but not merely the fact of.	[18:02]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084056 << why would fb care ?!	[18:03]
assbot	Logged on 02-04-2015 13:34:48; lobbes: I posted obamaz magic decree to my facebook. Quite expectedly, no one cares.	[18:03]
asciilifeform	mats: grsec >> but the sheer nonsensicalness of pretending that kernel can limit what kernel can do. consider this claim: 'Through PaX's UDEREF and KERNEXEC features, grsecurity forces any userland data access to go through an approved accessor and rejects any attempt to execute userland code in kernel context.'	[18:03]
trinque	nobody I know cares	[18:03]
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trinque	cept those here and a handful of clever meatspace guys	[18:03]
asciilifeform	mats: i can trivially make mincemeat of this by issuing raw dma cycles.	[18:03]
asciilifeform	mats: selinux and similar are exemplary of usg approach to 'seek00r1ty' - add layers of 'granular' bureaucracy to the os	[18:04]
asciilifeform	as if this did something tangible beyond making it even -less- fit-in-head.	[18:05]
asciilifeform	and even further discouraging genuine audit, as if this were possible or even necessary	[18:05]
mats	i dunno about that second part, but in general i agree with you	[18:05]
asciilifeform	it isn't just 'voodoo taint' from nsa.	[18:06]
*	asciilifeform doesn't practice voodoo	[18:06]
trinque	this seems to be why openbsd just has chroot, bsd has fancy jails or whatever, and now linux has Containerz (TM)	[18:07]
trinque	just make fucking chroot work	[18:07]
trinque	that and a working firewall	[18:07]
asciilifeform	but overall, folks who unrepentantly spout nonsense about one thing, damage their credibility re: other things.	[18:07]
mircea_popescu	you can't make chroot work	[18:07]
asciilifeform	^	[18:07]
trinque	whysat	[18:07]
mircea_popescu	that's the dirty secret behind 20 years of "linux"	[18:08]
trinque	oh on linux	[18:08]
mircea_popescu	because, conceptually, it is nonsense.	[18:08]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: actually it is the dirty secret behind 40 yrs of unix	[18:08]
mircea_popescu	there's a deep reason permissions don't fucking work	[18:08]
asciilifeform	but yes.	[18:08]
mircea_popescu	that reason is that intelligent people do not wish to spend their time working on idiocy	[18:08]
mircea_popescu	and they do wish to tell themselves that they can ever work on "something else"	[18:08]
mircea_popescu	because hey, engineers not psychiatrists, right ?	[18:08]
asciilifeform	unix perms are the proverbial 'pissing-section in swimming pool'	[18:09]
trinque	lol, I understand	[18:09]
trinque	makes sense.	[18:09]
mircea_popescu	that's what the jwz dood quite typically told me : that he "doesn't care about whatever political bone i have toi pick"	[18:09]
asciilifeform	for those who don't follow the antics of lunatics: usg is -obsessed- with domain segregation	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	as if that's what happened, i was sitting on an exercise ball one day and spontaneously decided hey, let me make a political party and pick bones!	[18:10]
asciilifeform	to the point of commissioning $maxint cpu archs that pretend to do it	[18:10]
trinque	ah that makes it very clear.	[18:10]
asciilifeform	^ to a muppet, any deviation from his muppetology is a schizo paroxysm of irrational	[18:10]
trinque	"pretend to do it" << is exactly the useful thing there	[18:11]
asciilifeform	to jwz et al, google simply 'is' - like the sun.	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	right.	[18:11]
asciilifeform	to briefly return to thread, it is not a -total- waste of time to learn what usg imagines 'security' - for its private uses - means.	[18:12]
asciilifeform	even if from purely psychiatric view	[18:12]
asciilifeform	!s what colour are your bits	[18:13]
assbot	0 results for 'what colour are your bits' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=what+colour+are+your+bits	[18:13]
asciilifeform	http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/entry/23	[18:13]
assbot	What Colour are your bits? - Ansuz - mskala's home page	[18:13]
asciilifeform	^ that	[18:13]
asciilifeform	and we -did- it here	[18:13]
asciilifeform	'In Paranoia, everything has a colour-coded security level (from Infrared up to Ultraviolet) and everybody has a clearance on the same scale. You are not allowed to touch, or have any dealings with, anything that exceeds your clearance. If you're a Red Troubleshooter, you're not allowed to walk through an Orange door. Formally, you're not really supposed to even know about the existence of anything above your clearance. An	[18:13]
asciilifeform	yone who breaks the rules is a Commie Mutant Traitor, subject to the death penalty. Much of the game revolves around the consequences of the security levels. For instance, Friend Computer might assign a team of Red Troubleshooters to re-paint a hallway that ought to be Orange but was painted Yellow by mistake the Commie Mutant Traitors. It's quite likely in such a case that the Troubleshooters will all end up shooting each o	[18:13]
asciilifeform	ther for treason against Friend Computer, since none of them are allowed to touch the paint, go near the hallway, or talk about their mission, and they're all charged with enforcing the rules on one another.'	[18:13]
asciilifeform	^ for the record.	[18:13]
mircea_popescu	lol notbad. what is this ?	[18:14]
asciilifeform	the colour essay	[18:14]
asciilifeform	!s monolith	[18:14]
assbot	9 results for 'monolith' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=monolith	[18:14]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu even wrote an essay on the subject.	[18:14]
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assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1BVrkju )	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	lol first time this decade ?	[18:17]
cazalla	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084247 <<< to be fair, you didn't try until 4-5 hours ago	[18:17]
assbot	Logged on 02-04-2015 15:59:59; thestringpuller: haven't been able to contact cazalla	[18:17]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Apparently he set the record	[18:18]
mircea_popescu	nice lordosis on the chick... that babe knows how to party.	[18:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46800 @ 0.0002719 = 12.7249 BTC [+]	[18:21]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-10-2014#883664	[18:21]
assbot	Logged on 19-10-2014 18:32:52; asciilifeform: engineers, who (as shown by the 'monolith' gedankenexperiment, search logs) often do not really apprehend how lizard-reich and its subordinate bureaucracies really think.	[18:21]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084081 <<< this, for the record, is kinda ridiculous.	[18:21]
assbot	Logged on 02-04-2015 14:05:13; lobbes: I'd like to believe if I just focus on myself and amass enough wealth I can weasel my way through time	[18:21]
mircea_popescu	might as well make your strategy "to get really really fat"	[18:21]
asciilifeform	'too fat to hang'	[18:22]
asciilifeform	(some prisoner in usa got a temporary stay of execution on this argument.)	[18:22]
asciilifeform	'i wus sentenced to hang not heads-off'	[18:22]
cazalla	!rate thestringpuller 1 overpromised and underdelivered on task he set himself for qntra	[18:22]
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mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084116 << whoever the fuck came up with this "binary module loading" bs should be found and named.	[18:25]
assbot	Logged on 02-04-2015 14:54:13; assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 03:26:58; nubbins`: "glibc uses libnss to support a number of different providers for address resolution services. Unfortunately, you cannot statically link libnss, as exactly what providers it loads depends on the local system's configuration."	[18:25]
mircea_popescu	i can see why this would be useful as an alternative method for very peculiar situations	[18:25]
mircea_popescu	but otherwise, in vast majority of cases, libnss SHOULD JUST CONTAIN ALL!	[18:25]
mircea_popescu	like fucking code is supposed to do.	[18:25]
asciilifeform	many things 'should' xxxxx.	[18:26]
mircea_popescu	no.	[18:26]
asciilifeform	but the list of 'should but doesn't' appears to grow, grow, every time we turn over a rock.	[18:26]
cazalla	!verify assbot:cazalla.rate.thestringpuller.1:16ae1454fd113b8cc0c781069043ec4cfadbdd32f55f8f028415f9d88daa29df	[18:26]
assbot	Successfully updated the rating for thestringpuller from 2 to 1 with note: overpromised and underdelivered on task he set himself for qntra	[18:26]
asciilifeform	to no surprise of mine	[18:26]
mircea_popescu	that you don't randomly stick binary in my ass is not a "many things"	[18:26]
mircea_popescu	this is rape.	[18:26]
asciilifeform	reminds me	[18:27]
asciilifeform	iirc i killed 'loadable modules' on pogotron but forgot to disable the now-useless mod utils.	[18:28]
asciilifeform	oughta be in the next patch.	[18:28]
mats	2M s.mpoe buy wall @ 0.00027	[18:28]
asciilifeform	(loadable modules are good for kernel dev work and really not much else.)	[18:28]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform do you even have a clue why the fuck libnss is made that way ?	[18:29]
mircea_popescu	is it to fit it on w/e arm shits ?	[18:29]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: in so far as i can tell, the problem in question is entirely shot in the head by my dns removal patch.	[18:29]
mircea_popescu	is it to load whatever early ityeration of nsa diddle in systems ?	[18:29]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i cannot fathom why it was made this way, other than for the usual reasons.	[18:29]
asciilifeform	there is no conceivable technical justification for it, beyond sloth.	[18:30]
mircea_popescu	who did this ?	[18:30]
asciilifeform	there is also the overall 'rust' resulting from no one ever building static anything whasoever for years.	[18:30]
mircea_popescu	if whoever the fuck is responsible for this crapever shows up in wot he's getting my -.	[18:31]
asciilifeform	one day we will have a simon wiesenthal of crapware.	[18:32]
mircea_popescu	pure anomie, this shit. idiots "doocracying" with no conception of right and wrong whatsoever.	[18:32]
asciilifeform	hunt the gnomes and drag them kicking, screaming, to the stake.	[18:33]
mircea_popescu	"i have tried and so nobody should criticize the steaming pile of dumb dung "	[18:33]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: don't expect them to walk in voluntarily	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	i don't expect anything.	[18:35]
asciilifeform	^ the correct thing to expect.	[18:35]
mircea_popescu	"unfortunately, the way we made this foss software is that it behaves exactly like windows"	[18:35]
asciilifeform	i actually find it interesting how astonishingly well-clustered the 'digerati' set is.	[18:35]
mircea_popescu	"there's nothing wrong with pki, it just fixes dns."	[18:35]
asciilifeform	zawinski lives next to lanier in my head and this is not accidental nor misleading	[18:36]
asciilifeform	even if they never met in the flesh	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	you KNOW this shit even got to be used in the first place because usg said so.	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	"why do we have dns ? it sucks! " "yes but that's how nsa could figure out how to diddle via libnss"	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	"so why are you all pushing pki ? it's fucktarded beyond reason" "no look, it has a whiff of salami right in this spot!"	[18:37]
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asciilifeform	in many cases (quite arguably dns included) the turd was an ad-hoc hack from the days of arpa but was cemented in place because guess-why.	[18:38]
asciilifeform	this is a fine point but not unimportant zoologically	[18:38]
asciilifeform	because it is uncommon for the enemy to -invent- a turd ab initio	[18:38]
mircea_popescu	and that, incidentally, is the objection ot poettering : it's not a matter of "doing". the man simply has no conception of right and wrong.	[18:38]
trinque	asciilifeform: so there's u_int32_t defined in sys/types.h but not uint32_t; I would be interested to see what sys/types.h holds for the other folks	[18:38]
asciilifeform	it is normally fished out of a pre-existing latrine.	[18:38]
mircea_popescu	he might as well be a monkey.	[18:38]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform just pick one of the preexisting sluts and then prevent washing, sure.	[18:39]
trinque	comment above: /* But these were defined by ISO C without the first `_'. */	[18:39]
mircea_popescu	i will have the heads of the ab-initio people tho.	[18:39]
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asciilifeform	there's u_int32_t defined in sys/types.h but not uint32_t << ahahahahaha.	[18:40]
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asciilifeform	someone actually wrote that.	[18:40]
asciilifeform	with a straight face.	[18:40]
asciilifeform	and, would probably come up with 'reasons'	[18:41]
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asciilifeform	i wonder what would be his 'reasons' after a few days of hanging upside-down over a cobra pit.	[18:41]
asciilifeform	(or insert a more appropriate prelude to a punishment to fit the crime)	[18:41]
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asciilifeform	soooooooo many ways to arrange four bytes.	[18:42]
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trinque	asciilifeform: stop trying to stifle people's creativity	[18:42]
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asciilifeform	'friar sank to his knees! sacred sensation! miracle proclaimed! blessed defecation!'	[18:45]
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trinque	asciilifeform: said poettering to the porcelain, parting is such sweet sorrow	[18:47]
trinque	debootstrap failed mysteriously the first time	[18:47]
asciilifeform	trinque: from earlier link	[18:47]
asciilifeform	failed how	[18:47]
trinque	I was just being creative	[18:47]
asciilifeform	l0l	[18:47]
trinque	asciilifeform: couple files didn't download	[18:48]
trinque	reran, went better	[18:48]
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jurov	http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/manual/html_node/Name-Service-Switch.html#Name-Service-Switch	[18:48]
assbot	The GNU C Library: Name Service Switch ... ( http://bit.ly/19MOLU5 )	[18:48]
jurov	nss was added to "remove hacks"	[18:48]
jurov	hahaha	[18:48]
asciilifeform	mega-l0l!	[18:48]
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mircea_popescu	i don't think nss per se is the problem here however	[18:50]
mircea_popescu	the idea of loading binary modules and breaking static builds is not exactly = to nss.	[18:50]
mircea_popescu	you could have it implemented sanely just as well.	[18:51]
asciilifeform	could.	[18:51]
asciilifeform	just as you could have north america ruled by a sane ottoman empire.	[18:51]
asciilifeform	or whatnot.	[18:51]
jurov	i guess they wanted to avoid running standalone process and whatnot	[18:51]
mircea_popescu	you don't even ened a motherfucking process.	[18:51]
mircea_popescu	dude holy hell, no configured file ever existed before ?	[18:51]
asciilifeform	jurov: appreciate that what we are attempting with static build is like digging out one of those lugers ru kids routinely find in the ground and trying to fire it	[18:51]
asciilifeform	it's solid rust	[18:52]
asciilifeform	can barely make out which way the barrel points	[18:52]
jurov	butbutbut we need to support dns resolving with mongodb(r)(tm)!!!	[18:52]
mircea_popescu	nuts.	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	and that this made it into c...	[18:53]
jurov	and without(gasp) recompiling libc or running dns servers!	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	FFS!	[18:54]
asciilifeform	fortunately we don't have to fill this swamp today	[18:54]
asciilifeform	apply dns-zap patch.	[18:54]
asciilifeform	bitcoin does not need dns for anythign!	[18:55]
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nubbins`	http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000040.html	[18:57]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/19MPtAN )	[18:57]
nubbins`	for those just catching up	[18:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.QNTR] 4470 @ 0.00037719 = 1.686 BTC [+]	[18:57]
nubbins`	now, lemme give this a whirl	[18:58]
asciilifeform	careful with that one	[18:58]
asciilifeform	once you dump dns seeder, you gotta have some live nodes (!!!) in the seed list	[18:58]
asciilifeform	which, in turn, should not be the hardcoded idiocy	[18:58]
asciilifeform	but passed on commmandline	[18:59]
asciilifeform	i never got around to shitting out a patch to remove the hardcoded seedz	[18:59]
asciilifeform	ALSO	[18:59]
asciilifeform	now that i read that patch, i notice that it does not eliminate -all- occurrences of the dns crapolade	[18:59]
*	nubbins` perks ears	[18:59]
asciilifeform	there is yet another	[18:59]
asciilifeform	iirc, in the spot where the thing learns own ip.	[19:00]
asciilifeform	bbl, gotta buy food.	[19:00]
nubbins`	what's it sending a POST request to whatismyip.com? :D	[19:00]
asciilifeform	^ dns query !!	[19:01]
trinque	holy shit no one knows why there's both a u_int32_t and a uint32_t	[19:01]
trinque	the latter is defined in c99	[19:01]
nubbins`	prob because one asshole somewhere along the line had a build error	[19:02]
nubbins`	and "this seems to fix it"	[19:02]
trinque	all I can find is derps going "just include ..."	[19:02]
trinque	NO SHIT	[19:02]
nubbins`	i suppose github could tell you who committed it the first time	[19:02]
nubbins`	i don't keep a list of this type of person, mp may be interested enough to look	[19:03]
jurov	may have been satoshi himself	[19:03]
nubbins`	may have been there from the beginning	[19:03]
trinque	this forum post thing where people pop off with some tape fix rather than explaining what's going on	[19:04]
trinque	blowtorch	[19:04]
cazalla	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084788 dude, what's in your ear?	[19:06]
assbot	Logged on 02-04-2015 20:31:31; nubbins`: http://imgur.com/jCUBrdF <<< man i got really skinny after two weeks of diarrhoea	[19:06]
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trinque	asciilifeform: could boost be pulling or not pulling this type in based on some kind of config magic?	[19:07]
cazalla	lucky i am not otw to conf, i would so attach a padlock to your ear :P	[19:07]
nubbins`	you could try	[19:08]
trinque	in my /usr/include I see for example this "nettle" thing doing typedef u_int32_t uint32_t;	[19:09]
nubbins`	o.O	[19:10]
nubbins`	http://i.imgur.com/hOH0HCLl.png << silkscreened biz cards on 160# black paper	[19:12]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/19MQIzU )	[19:12]
trinque	nubbins`: those look great.	[19:12]
nubbins`	ty	[19:12]
nubbins`	really nice texture on the black parts too	[19:13]
nubbins`	dat subtle relief	[19:13]
punkman	s	[19:16]
nubbins`	ok alf i'm applying all 3 of your patches to a fresh 0.5.3.1, should know one way or another in an hour or so	[19:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36956 @ 0.0002719 = 10.0483 BTC [+]	[19:22]
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danielpbarron	!up wpalczynski	[19:25]
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danielpbarron	nubbins`, nice card	[19:26]
nubbins`	thanks, hand-printed	[19:26]
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nubbins`	typedef paste u_paste32_t;	[19:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64650 @ 0.00027024 = 17.471 BTC [-] {2}	[19:28]
trinque	nubbins`: pls don't trigger me	[19:28]
trinque	I actually typedef'd the missing type to see what happened, and now it's pissed about something else	[19:28]
trinque	would love to show ya >:)	[19:29]
nubbins`	hey, pastebin is hungry	[19:30]
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trinque	nubbins`: http://dpaste.com/136CA5Z.txt	[19:32]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/19MS6mi )	[19:32]
nubbins`	trinque try alf's patch	[19:32]
trinque	link?	[19:33]
nubbins`	http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150401/asciilifeform-kills-integer-retardation_8685d541f20bcfe8d8cc9fefba663dd861f7b237.patch	[19:33]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/19MSaCD )	[19:33]
trinque	ty	[19:34]
trinque	heh yeah I was derping through exactly what he fixed	[19:34]
nubbins`	ah, i wouldn't say it's fixed	[19:34]
trinque	well, he was a notch closer anyway	[19:34]
nubbins`	regardless, try again	[19:34]
nubbins`	yes	[19:34]
trinque	nubbins`: kerboom -> http://dpaste.com/33G6CY8.txt	[19:38]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1GQAjbi )	[19:38]
trinque	starting clean and logging all output	[19:41]
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trinque	but it looked like the stuff not being linked was built	[19:41]
nubbins`	i am also at the "cannot find -lssl, -lcrypto" stage	[19:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28800 @ 0.00027 = 7.776 BTC [-]	[19:42]
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trinque	nubbins`: what does export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$OURLIBS/lib under the rest of the exports do for you?	[19:47]
trinque	I'm waiting on mine to rebuild	[19:47]
trinque	this is in auto.sh	[19:47]
asciilifeform	ok alf i'm applying all 3 of your patches << wai wat, 3?!	[19:48]
asciilifeform	the integer retardation patch includes the one from portatron	[19:48]
asciilifeform	/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.8.4/../../../../x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.8.4/../../../../lib64/libpthread.a(pthread_cond_wait.o): relocation R_X86_64_32 against `__gcc_personality_v0' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC	[19:49]
asciilifeform	/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.8.4/../../../../lib64/libpthread.a: error adding symbols: Bad value	[19:49]
asciilifeform	^ wat.	[19:49]
asciilifeform	(from trinque's)	[19:49]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59100 @ 0.0002719 = 16.0693 BTC [+]	[19:50]
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nubbins`	<+asciilifeform> the integer retardation patch includes the one from portatron <<< o look	[19:55]
asciilifeform	?	[19:55]
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asciilifeform	it should go without saying that asciilifeform-kills-integer-retardation_8685d541f20bcfe8d8cc9fefba663dd861f7b237.patch is not a tree candidate !	[19:56]
nubbins`	:D	[19:56]
asciilifeform	i probably should have specified this in the signed text	[19:56]
asciilifeform	but stating it here for anyone who did not immediately grasp this.	[19:56]
trinque	I dunno what that link error is.	[19:57]
nubbins`	while we're at it, do not operate chainsaws w/ your genitals	[19:57]
danielpbarron	nubbins`, how many of those birds of newfoundland books do you have left? / remind me to get one of those if/when the qntra cards get sent out	[20:00]
nubbins`	danielpbarron we'll be making them for as long as people buy them. i'll set one aside for ya	[20:00]
nubbins`	your if/when is currently an if	[20:00]
nubbins`	i floated a design, nobody was too fussy, nothing else suggested	[20:01]
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nubbins`	:o	[20:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54650 @ 0.00027 = 14.7555 BTC [-]	[20:14]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16146 @ 0.0002719 = 4.3901 BTC [+]	[20:24]
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scoopbot	New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/mpex-smpoe-march-2015-statement/	[20:42]
scoopbot	New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/qntra-sqntr-march-2015-statement/	[20:42]
scoopbot	New post on The Whet by han@thewhet: http://thewhet.net/2015/line-betting-on-bitbet-march-2014/	[20:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44554 @ 0.00027 = 12.0296 BTC [-]	[20:44]
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hanbot	lol i can't year.	[20:50]
BingoBoingo	!b 2	[20:50]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53400 @ 0.0002719 = 14.5195 BTC [+]	[20:57]
cazalla	mircea_popescu, you might need to edit the s.qntr post	[20:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55400 @ 0.0002719 = 15.0633 BTC [+]	[21:03]
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nubbins`	http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=xEsMZtmE	[21:29]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1CBiIB7 )	[21:30]
nubbins`	^ with asciilifeform's kill-integer and dns-snip patches	[21:30]
BingoBoingo	!t m s.mpoe	[21:32]
assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00023767 / 0.00025475 / 0.0002719 (11285618 shares, 2,875.10 BTC), 7D: 0.00022189 / 0.00025956 / 0.00028207 (45012775 shares, 11,683.73 BTC), 30D: 0.0001443 / 0.00028991 / 0.0004493 (104171490 shares, 30,200.60 BTC)	[21:32]
BingoBoingo	!t m s.qntr	[21:32]
assbot	[MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00037719 / 0.00037719 / 0.00037719 (10885 shares, 4.11 BTC), 7D: 0.00033 / 0.00037676 / 0.00037719 (10985 shares, 4.14 BTC), 30D: 0.00020808 / 0.00027399 / 0.00037719 (40462 shares, 11.09 BTC)	[21:32]
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nubbins`	i'm not sure if this is confined to my system or not, asciilifeform mod6 danielpbarron ben_vulpes et al	[21:34]
nubbins`	but the local build of openssl doesn't copy its includes over to the ourlibs dir	[21:34]
nubbins`	simply doing this manually and re-running auto.sh brings me back to... uint32_t: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=pHmyM0FE	[21:34]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1CBiRo2 )	[21:34]
nubbins`	my darwin build put 'em in the right place	[21:38]
ben_vulpes	my debian as well	[21:38]
ben_vulpes	if i recall correctly - it's been a few days	[21:38]
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nubbins`	samesies, but i think i'd remember doing this	[21:41]
nubbins`	i'm gonna pastebin my entire build if anyone feels like digging w/ me	[21:42]
nubbins`	oh, too big.	[21:43]
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cazalla	https://coinreport.net/antagonist-bitcoin/ first sentence paragraph lol	[21:55]
assbot	CoinReport The Antagonist of Bitcoin - CoinReport ... ( http://bit.ly/1GlDOpm )	[21:55]
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cazalla	who would've thought americans sit around drinking coffee discussing how much they dislike mircea_popescu	[21:55]
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BingoBoingo	lol was Garrett Keirns Garr255 or the "Surf Captital Management" douche	[22:00]
nubbins`	haha	[22:01]
nubbins`	"Bryce and I have an esoteric, and funny, similarity. We mutually disdain Romanian cryptographer Mircea Popescu. This is how we start our conversation."	[22:01]
nubbins`	this should be rich	[22:01]
punkman	maybe it's a late april fool's joke?	[22:01]
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nubbins`	“It never goes down!” says Bryce, referring to the BTC/UNO exchange rate. “That’s the thing people love about UNO. It never goes down.”	[22:02]
punkman	"He tells his EVUE dream of a RIAA-approved blockchain system that will allow users to keep track of digital content and freely transfer it via internet platforms (i.e. Spotify, iTunes, Windows Media). “People will be able to keep their digital content for life,”"	[22:03]
punkman	my non-riaa-approved content will work just fine in 2115	[22:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124970 @ 0.00027 = 33.7419 BTC [-]	[22:03]
nubbins`	hmm	[22:04]
nubbins`	i feel like this is a facebook post, but on a website	[22:04]
nubbins`	i.e.relevant to the two guys in it, and maybe in passing to some of their friends or family	[22:04]
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ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu's a cryptographer nao?	[22:22]
ben_vulpes	first a girl, now a cryptographer?	[22:22]
ben_vulpes	i guess that's what they call anyone who understands math these days.	[22:22]
ben_vulpes	"The project will be a massive undertaking requiring a large seed investment. "	[22:23]
ben_vulpes	huehuehuehu i got a large seed investment for ya right here buddy	[22:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6950 @ 0.0002719 = 1.8897 BTC [+]	[22:24]
ben_vulpes	bryce will also tell you that reputation doesn't matter either.	[22:24]
ben_vulpes	HYU	[22:24]
funkenstein_	mega lulz, where to start?	[22:25]
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scoopbot	New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/04/silk-road-sealed-document-dump-day-full-text/	[22:26]
danielpbarron	"I design blockchains to have purpose. I want the open-source, decentralized DNM to succeed so I can use my RZR coins to buy weed," quips Bryce.	[22:26]
danielpbarron	does he not have punk kids all over downtown to provide this service??	[22:26]
danielpbarron	when has it ever been difficult to score weed, seriously	[22:27]
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BingoBoingo	!up Cogburn	[22:32]
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Cogburn	thanks :)	[22:32]
Cogburn	I'm Bryce Weiner :)	[22:32]
danielpbarron	do you gpg?	[22:33]
cazalla	i'm president obama	[22:33]
Cogburn	oh cmon nobody is gonna pop in here and pretend to be me	[22:33]
ben_vulpes	can't trust ya tho	[22:34]
ben_vulpes	welcome to the new world order	[22:34]
ben_vulpes	get your keys sorted, boss	[22:34]
danielpbarron	Cogburn, why do you hate mircea_popescu ?	[22:34]
trinque	"You think someone would do that, just go on the internet and tell lies?"	[22:34]
Cogburn	i don't	[22:35]
Cogburn	i dunno why people think that	[22:35]
Cogburn	we disagree. that's not hate.	[22:35]
Cogburn	adults can disagree	[22:35]
Cogburn	dialectic and all that	[22:35]
cazalla	going by the article, you hate him because you ain't him	[22:35]
danielpbarron	ok why do you disdain him?	[22:35]
danielpbarron	why is he beneath you?	[22:35]
Cogburn	going by the article garret has an axe to grind with him :)	[22:35]
Cogburn	nobody is beneath me. where do you guys get this stuff?	[22:36]
danielpbarron	well he suggested that the sentiment is mutual between you two	[22:36]
Cogburn	he would be wrong	[22:36]
Cogburn	:)	[22:36]
BingoBoingo	Cogburn: Well garret lost people a bunch of money with his Surf Captial Management thing	[22:36]
Cogburn	that would only be one way	[22:36]
danielpbarron	i did a google search for the word "disdain" and got the feeling that someone or something is unworthy of one's consideration or respect; contempt.	[22:36]
danielpbarron	and contempt: the feeling that a person or a thing is beneath consideration, worthless, or deserving scorn.	[22:36]
BingoBoingo	And Garrett may or may not also be Garr255 of the Cognitive Mining tire fire	[22:37]
Cogburn	i have never expressed disdain. i have expressed passionate disagreement. that's what consensus is about. like the old days of the greek republics arguing the issues of the day on the senate steps	[22:37]
BingoBoingo	Cogburn: Would you nick happen to be a reference to Rooster Cogburn?	[22:37]
Cogburn	those are garrets words, not quotes	[22:37]
Cogburn	Yes, it is.	[22:37]
cazalla	fuck u scoopbot! http://qntra.net/2015/04/federal-agent-sells-firearms-via-darknet-market/	[22:37]
assbot	Federal Agent Sells Firearms Via Darknet Market \| Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1IWX6Be )	[22:37]
BingoBoingo	Sweet	[22:37]
cazalla	Cogburn, maybe you should take that up with the surfs up guy instead of us? he wrote it afterall	[22:38]
ben_vulpes	Cogburn: get in the wot?	[22:38]
Cogburn	here's my key ID	[22:39]
ben_vulpes	just so's i can take ye seriously?	[22:39]
Cogburn	had to dig that shit out	[22:39]
Cogburn	26F3050C	[22:39]
danielpbarron	Cogburn, tell it to assbot	[22:39]
danielpbarron	!h	[22:39]
assbot	http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot	[22:39]
ben_vulpes	Cogburn: you savvy wot?	[22:39]
Cogburn	danke	[22:39]
funkenstein_	i'm interested in riaacoin	[22:39]
Cogburn	who isn't :)	[22:40]
Cogburn	its not alt. it's bitcoin	[22:40]
danielpbarron	"I've developed what I call a Bitcoin Circadian Rhythm. I've noticed my body has begun aligning itself with the 10-minute block time of the Bitcoin Blockchain." << lolol	[22:41]
Cogburn	total misquote	[22:41]
Cogburn	but what are ya gonna do	[22:41]
ben_vulpes	negrate the fucker	[22:41]
ben_vulpes	if you're in the wot that is	[22:41]
Cogburn	i think WoT's are kinda culty	[22:41]
danielpbarron	so when you tweeted this article, you were using the hashtag "#awesome" in a sarcastic manner?	[22:42]
Cogburn	I think it's awesome when people say my name. :)	[22:42]
trinque	!b 3	[22:42]
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trinque	those two lines in succession made me lol	[22:42]
Cogburn	:)	[22:43]
BingoBoingo	i think WoT's are kinda culty << It makes a decent shit filter though. The postitive ratings often are no where near as informative as the reasons for the negative ratings	[22:43]
Cogburn	gamification of reputation is for people who can't give a good handshake or a warm, geniune smile when they meet someone.	[22:43]
Cogburn	trustless systems are for people with trust issues	[22:44]
Cogburn	:)	[22:44]
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danielpbarron	you know who gives really warm handshakes? scammers.	[22:44]
Cogburn	i dunno. i shook josh garza's hand. unimpressed.	[22:44]
danielpbarron	the same people who always have an explaination at the ready as to why they don't like WoTs	[22:45]
BingoBoingo	Cogburn: Score are the least important thing about a WoT, walking the graph and reading the feedback is	[22:45]
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funkenstein_	for the record, i still think you're trolling us :)	[22:45]
Cogburn	not at all	[22:46]
Cogburn	I'm here specifically to remove that misconception	[22:46]
cazalla	Cogburn, it's not so much the wot that can be gamed but yourself	[22:46]
trinque	depends I think as well on initial conditions a great deal.	[22:46]
Cogburn	I do agree with everything MP says, but I do respect him. that's sort of a necessary component of dialectic.	[22:46]
Cogburn	*do not agree	[22:46]
BingoBoingo	funkenstein_: It's not that he's trolling. He's stuck in a wilder wester place	[22:46]
Cogburn	We don't all have to agree.	[22:47]
Cogburn	The consensus can be "go fuck yourself"	[22:47]
Cogburn	:)	[22:47]
BingoBoingo	Disagreement is the most valuable thing in the world, especially when its informed	[22:47]
Cogburn	^	[22:47]
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Cogburn	I think we can bullshit the current system by crypto inside of the existing rules and bring about real change. I do not believe in the decentralized anarcho-capitalist utopia as a world-spanning solution to our ills. I think people will live that way if the want to, but real freedom is the ability to say "no"	[22:49]
Cogburn	*by using	[22:50]
funkenstein_	itunes	[22:50]
cazalla	Cogburn, do you read the logs? you seem to have joined pretty quickly after my mentioning of that lulzy article	[22:50]
BingoBoingo	cazalla: Everyone reads the logs	[22:51]
danielpbarron	i told him to join	[22:51]
Cogburn	https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/status/583802621011501056	[22:51]
assbot	The Antagonist of /hashtag/Bitcoin?src=hash	[22:51]
Cogburn	I was invited and I accepted :)	[22:51]
BingoBoingo	cazalla: And if they don't danielpbarron offers them the chance	[22:51]
Cogburn	I do not go where I am not wanted. I'll talk with anyone who wants to talk.	[22:51]
danielpbarron	yeah well you're wearing out my patience with all the spammy smily faces	[22:52]
funkenstein_	do you use itunes?	[22:52]
cazalla	ah, fair enough then	[22:52]
funkenstein_	any of you?	[22:52]
Cogburn	i smile all the time. don't be so grumpy	[22:52]
danielpbarron	and so far all you have to say might as well have been copy pasted from the top comment on a reddit post	[22:53]
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BingoBoingo	!up CryptoDustin	[22:54]
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Cogburn	Maybe.. but it's my post and my thoughts and you're the one reading articles about me and bitching, so there is that	[22:54]
CryptoDustin	<3	[22:54]
Cogburn	MP doesn't have the market cornered on being crazy. some of us are just fucking nuts as he is. just not as rich. yet.	[22:55]
danielpbarron	who says he is crazy?	[22:55]
BingoBoingo	danielpbarron: He's going off in a way we find weird. Maybe it ends up kinda fruitful.	[22:55]
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Cogburn	many people. i fully support his threat to fork bitcoin if gavin's block expansion goes through. he's 100% correct that it is an economic alteration to the network and not simple technical	[22:56]
danielpbarron	what?? he has threatened no such thing	[22:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51150 @ 0.00027 = 13.8105 BTC [-]	[22:56]
danielpbarron	gavin is the one threatening a fork	[22:56]
Cogburn	... i'm pretty sure he did	[22:56]
Cogburn	gavin has the keys. he's "that guy"	[22:56]
danielpbarron	what keys?	[22:56]
Cogburn	that's metaphorical	[22:57]
danielpbarron	the ones snipped from the code because they mean nothing?	[22:57]
trinque	Cogburn: with nothing grounding it to reality	[22:57]
Cogburn	that's right	[22:57]
danielpbarron	http://thebitcoin.foundation/turdmeister-alert-snip.tar.gz	[22:57]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1DCnJeK )	[22:57]
Cogburn	it's 100% bullshit	[22:57]
Cogburn	that's why MP is right	[22:57]
BingoBoingo	Cogburn> gavin has the keys. he's "that guy" << Thermos also has a copy of the "Keys"	[22:57]
Cogburn	poor choice of words on my part	[22:57]
trinque	no problem, but that is the core of the issue	[22:58]
trinque	these clowns are no more "the bitcoin guys" than anyone else	[22:58]
danielpbarron	gavin has the attention poor people who think that talking about bitcoin makes them a part of it somehow	[22:58]
Cogburn	pun intended? what is bitcoin if not the core reference client?	[22:58]
funkenstein_	Alert keys. I hope somebody pushes a cosbycoin message through someday :)	[22:58]
Cogburn	it gets really existential really quickly	[22:58]
danielpbarron	Cogburn, the reference client is here	[22:58]
danielpbarron	not github	[22:59]
funkenstein_	what is the internet if not microsoft IE?	[22:59]
Cogburn	there's an article from late 2013 and i wish i could find it entitled "What if Bitcoin turned Evil?"	[22:59]
Cogburn	21.co get $120m to make ASICs	[22:59]
Cogburn	let's say they end up to comprise 70% of the network	[23:00]
Cogburn	and add 100m coins	[23:00]
danielpbarron	if you think socialism is good, then bitcoin is evil to you	[23:00]
Cogburn	what are you gonna do about it?	[23:00]
funkenstein_	reject the blocks	[23:00]
danielpbarron	i'm gonna keep running my node that ignores their invalid blocks	[23:00]
Cogburn	so there's now 2 bitcoins	[23:00]
danielpbarron	do i care that hundreds of altcoins exist? nope.	[23:00]
trinque	yes but which diverged?	[23:00]
Cogburn	according to consensus, the 70% wins, right?	[23:01]
danielpbarron	well seeing as how i'm using a node which didn't change rules..	[23:01]
Cogburn	but that's a single entity	[23:01]
funkenstein_	$120m to make orphans	[23:01]
funkenstein_	what's next an riaa-controlled blockchain?	[23:01]
danielpbarron	the consensus of whom? you still have to sell those 100m coins	[23:01]
Cogburn	Looking deeper, that's a silicon valley brain child	[23:01]
BingoBoingo	according to consensus, the 70% wins, right? << The beautiful thing about concensus is how many releases have been make since $100+ BTC which must agree	[23:01]
Cogburn	that means all those buddies in palo alto that everyone uses will fork to that chain	[23:02]
danielpbarron	good for them. seriously good riddance	[23:02]
danielpbarron	they can have their USGcoin	[23:02]
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trinque	and if the economic implications of their fork eventually make the thing worthless, the original will have the posture towards it that it has towards fiat	[23:02]
danielpbarron	!up Cogburn	[23:02]
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danielpbarron	get in the WoT would ya	[23:02]
Cogburn	No	[23:03]
Cogburn	Hehe	[23:03]
Cogburn	I truly hope MP is interested in this because if he wanted to compete with 21.co I would be very down to help.	[23:03]
danielpbarron	if you want to help, the first step is getting in the WoT	[23:03]
trinque	Cogburn: ...sounds like a great reason to register so that you may retain voice and discuss that with him	[23:03]
danielpbarron	that is no optional	[23:03]
danielpbarron	Cogburn, http://www.contravex.com/2014/03/17/irc-yeshiva/	[23:04]
assbot	IRC Yeshiva \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1DCpgkR )	[23:04]
Cogburn	aww that's really cute	[23:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13817 @ 0.00027026 = 3.7342 BTC [+]	[23:05]
BingoBoingo	Cogburn: As someone else from the borderlands between the middle west and the middle south of the US I swear the WoT doesn't hurt that much	[23:05]
Cogburn	However I'm already 32 degree freemason, so thank you but no thank you	[23:05]
trinque	^ cold mothafucka	[23:06]
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Cogburn	You know the WoT is basically forensic evidence, right?	[23:07]
Cogburn	You sacrifice anonymity?	[23:07]
danielpbarron	lol.	[23:07]
Cogburn	I'm okay with just a quick visit.	[23:08]
BingoBoingo	You sacrifice anonymity? << You also gain insurance	[23:08]
Cogburn	For what? People come to my coffee house from bitcoin every few months.	[23:08]
trinque	no one connected to the internet on any device that exists has anonymity	[23:08]
Cogburn	You're welcome, too	[23:08]
danielpbarron	anonymity is overrated, and it isn't for the poor anyway	[23:09]
BingoBoingo	Cogburn: Did you not see mircea_popescu's insurance policy against Obola seizures?	[23:09]
Cogburn	anonymity is a choice	[23:09]
danielpbarron	and nobody is forcing you to register your slave name	[23:09]
BingoBoingo	Cogburn: I mean you did Changetip ISIS...	[23:10]
trinque	loooooool	[23:10]
Cogburn	hahahaha	[23:10]
BingoBoingo	Cogburn: Of all people you might have an interest in sticking your head out here from time to time and getting friendly with people.	[23:11]
BingoBoingo	!b 4	[23:11]
assbot	Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1Y027Q5.txt )	[23:11]
asciilifeform	lol what even is this.	[23:12]
danielpbarron	some guy who thinks he is a big name in bitcoin but needs to acknowledge that he is currently a nobody in the realm that counts	[23:13]
asciilifeform	http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=xEsMZtmE << this is actually -correct- behaviour - barfs instead of pulling in system's ssl headers	[23:13]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1DCr4un )	[23:13]
BingoBoingo	lol what even is this. << Rooster Cogburn's a Marshall on the altcoin wild west	[23:13]
Cogburn	I am very friendly. I was invited and I showed up.	[23:13]
Cogburn	I do have things to do	[23:13]
asciilifeform	simply doing this manually and re-running auto.sh brings me back to... uint32_t ... << aaaaand this is where my patch in turn b0rks the thing. 'the doctor cured the patient's ear, but did poke out an eye, i fear'	[23:14]
Cogburn	There's always twitter	[23:14]
funkenstein_	thanks for stopping by	[23:14]
asciilifeform	'Romanian cryptographer Mircea Popescu...' << l0l	[23:14]
Cogburn	it's a pleasure. i'm glad i did. i didn't realize that people thought i hated MP or something. I don't hate anyone. Life is too short.	[23:14]
BingoBoingo	There's always twitter << Stop by again. Just remember on Twitter danielpbarron tends to bite harder than here.	[23:14]
asciilifeform	Cogburn: where do you know (?) mircea_popescu from ?	[23:15]
Cogburn	being critical isn't hate. i'm not above being criticized. I do and say dumb shit like anyone does. I'm also kinda nuts.	[23:15]
cazalla	Cogburn, it's your friend who gave such an impression, not us	[23:15]
Cogburn	shut happens	[23:15]
Cogburn	*shit	[23:15]
danielpbarron	when condensing thoughts into 140 characters i tend to chop out the nice sounding bits leaving only the necessary harsh words	[23:15]
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Cogburn	twitter is like conversation in haiku	[23:16]
trinque	Cogburn: I'm still waiting on an elaboration of this disagreement	[23:16]
Cogburn	MP and I had a little row at the end of 2013 and I think that's where it stemmed from	[23:16]
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asciilifeform	pun intended? what is bitcoin if not the core reference client? << actually Cogburn is right. it very much -is- the reference client. which lives here: http://therealbitcoin.org	[23:16]
assbot	..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CBlXID )	[23:16]
Cogburn	I literally cannot remember the context	[23:16]
Cogburn	I have no idea what we were talking about	[23:17]
danielpbarron	when in doubt, check the log -> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1085254	[23:17]
assbot	Logged on 03-04-2015 01:30:49; Cogburn: we disagree. that's not hate.	[23:17]
asciilifeform	but could not remember what disagreed about ?	[23:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25800 @ 0.00027 = 6.966 BTC [-]	[23:17]
BingoBoingo	!s Bryce	[23:18]
assbot	5 results for 'Bryce' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Bryce	[23:18]
Cogburn	i remember the disagreement. there was someone else in it too... i can't remember	[23:18]
BingoBoingo	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2014#533483	[23:18]
assbot	Logged on 26-02-2014 21:09:12; mircea_popescu: anyone know a certain Bryce Weiner ?	[23:18]
Cogburn	i just don't remember what it was about. some esoteric point of anarcho capitalism or some such.	[23:18]
Cogburn	awww	[23:18]
Cogburn	<3	[23:18]
BingoBoingo	Things happen, hopefully people learn	[23:19]
asciilifeform	You know the WoT is basically forensic evidence, right? << it's more of a signed confession than 'forensic' anything. like the american 'declaration of independence.' 'we hang together or hang separately,' etc.	[23:19]
Cogburn	fair	[23:19]
Cogburn	I'll consider it.	[23:19]
Cogburn	I hadn't seen it expressed that way before	[23:20]
asciilifeform	that means all those buddies in palo alto that everyone uses will fork to that chain << have you ever seen a tram in the third world ?	[23:20]
asciilifeform	or a train	[23:21]
asciilifeform	notice all the folks hanging off the sides, on the roof ?	[23:21]
asciilifeform	now, are they 'passengers' ?	[23:21]
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Cogburn	Let's assume my RIAA project is real. Let's assume it happens, and partners with TIDAL for content provision. If 1,000,000 people listen to 3 minute songs for 1 hour, that's 3,000,000+ TX per block in microtransactions.	[23:22]
asciilifeform	and, do the folks -inside- - who paid for their tickets - need them for anything? does the train need them ?	[23:22]
Cogburn	I understand your analogy better than you think.	[23:22]
asciilifeform	Cogburn: there are more lucrative ways to fleece idiots, you know	[23:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31638 @ 0.00027 = 8.5423 BTC [-]	[23:24]
asciilifeform	Cogburn: RIAA project << i for one would only pay even a penny for something riaa-related if it somehow -takes away- at least the same penny from riaa et al.	[23:24]
asciilifeform	and am not alone in this.	[23:24]
asciilifeform	especially if the sum gets subtracted in human flesh.	[23:24]
funkenstein_	george clinton would agree	[23:24]
Cogburn	I understand. I also appreciate where it is that I say these things.	[23:24]
Cogburn	This is not what I would call a "receptive audience" to my idea.	[23:24]
Cogburn	When we announce officially, I will come back and AMA	[23:24]
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mod6	asciilifeform: so, If I wanna play around, I should try gxemul before qemu?	[23:25]
asciilifeform	the other thing is the political nuance here. when you do business with riaa etc. you are banking that 2025 will contain a world where riaa and the usg it is an affiliate of - are still in business	[23:25]
asciilifeform	instead of residing in extermination camps.	[23:25]
Cogburn	I think that RIAA is tired of getting fucked by new technology and drank their own koolaid.	[23:26]
Cogburn	I could be wrong.	[23:26]
funkenstein_	musicians are also tired of getting fucked by the riaa	[23:26]
Cogburn	everyone is tired of getting fucked	[23:26]
Cogburn	that's kinda the point	[23:27]
funkenstein_	lol	[23:27]
Cogburn	we can fix that	[23:27]
Cogburn	that's what my project aims to do	[23:27]
*	BingoBoingo impressed there is so much lag between axe time and sword time	[23:27]
asciilifeform	Cogburn: from what i read so far, it seems like your 'fix' still involves armed thugs threatening murder to create a 'market.'	[23:27]
Cogburn	if things are going to change, we first have to stop getting fuced	[23:27]
Cogburn	*fucked	[23:27]
Cogburn	stop fucking over each other	[23:28]
Cogburn	then things just change on their own	[23:28]
Cogburn	nice and easy	[23:28]
asciilifeform	pass the lsd plz.	[23:28]
trinque	like that time in history where things went nice and easy	[23:28]
Cogburn	Rome	[23:28]
Cogburn	Say what you want, it fucking worked.	[23:28]
danielpbarron	ah, so you are also in favor of slavery?	[23:29]
asciilifeform	Cogburn: worked -when- ?	[23:29]
Cogburn	how's your paycheck?	[23:29]
Cogburn	are you self employed?	[23:29]
asciilifeform	Cogburn: please specify -when- rome 'worked'	[23:29]
Cogburn	don't talk to me of slavery if you are paid a wage	[23:29]
danielpbarron	i am in favor of slavery	[23:29]
BingoBoingo	Garret Kierns for the record https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=58893	[23:30]
assbot	View the profile of Surf Capital Management ... ( http://bit.ly/1DCutJp )	[23:30]
Cogburn	slavery in our time is a choice	[23:30]
Cogburn	i'm okay with that, so long as there is a choice	[23:30]
danielpbarron	it's always a choice.. between doing as your master says or being beaten	[23:31]
danielpbarron	or starving to death in the wilderness	[23:31]
Cogburn	I appreciate some people just don't want to deal with some shit. That doesn't make them bad.	[23:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.00027 = 7.695 BTC [-]	[23:32]
trinque	I think ultimately people will choose whatever gives them the best life, and the sad current condition is that this is what they've chosen, because this is all they can see.	[23:32]
Cogburn	I think you're right.	[23:32]
trinque	now, how do you demonstrate that there's a different way of being, defining the world, etc	[23:32]
danielpbarron	slavery isn't the problem with the current state of affairs; it's this mentality of "i should get to eat while also talking back to my master" that has to go	[23:33]
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trinque	many ways, probably. but I think it's naive to think that transition happens all nice and easy like	[23:33]
asciilifeform	!up Cogburn	[23:33]
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Cogburn	Thank you	[23:33]
Cogburn	I think those of us who get this blockchain bitcoin magic internet money bullshit have the opportunity to demonstrate and lead by example. Quite frankly IDGAF if MP is crazy or I disagree. I think he's doing it right. I think he knows he's doing it right, too :)	[23:34]
Cogburn	It's a tool that provides an opportunity to do something truly different with the world. To take advantage, we must be different.	[23:34]
asciilifeform	Cogburn: i'm rather curious re: what you believe mircea_popescu is doing. 'right' or otherwise.	[23:35]
Cogburn	Leading by example.	[23:35]
Cogburn	"This is my way. Like, don't like, DGAF."	[23:35]
Cogburn	A choice.	[23:35]
asciilifeform	Cogburn: and which 'way' is that ?	[23:35]
asciilifeform	i mean, what does it concretely mean, in your mind	[23:36]
Cogburn	Dunno. Not my problem. I know he has one. I know he's passionate about it. That's what I think is important. The rest is how history will remember our efforts.	[23:36]
asciilifeform	let's say i said 'i think dijkstra was doing it right.' that would imply that i am in favour of structured programming, against the use of 'goto', and in favour of 99.999% of programming students being flunked and similar fraction of the practitioners of that profession - being fired.	[23:37]
asciilifeform	if i say that i -disagree- with dijkstra - then i do not believe these things.	[23:37]
Cogburn	I'm an order out of chaos sort of guy.	[23:37]
Cogburn	I see what's going on. No issues from me.	[23:38]
mircea_popescu	dude who the hell raped the logs.	[23:38]
asciilifeform	Cogburn: are you able to describe even one of the concepts you agree or disagree with mircea_popescu about? or do you just dislike his beard ?	[23:38]
asciilifeform	am i talking to a perl script ?	[23:38]
asciilifeform	late 4/1 joke ?	[23:38]
mircea_popescu	btw, anyone ever got rms' new autoreply ? the one where he goes "i'm on a 48 hour delay like mpex" ?	[23:39]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Bryce showed up	[23:39]
mircea_popescu	who ?	[23:39]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: rms' autoreply << never got, but the 48 hour thing is not, afaik, new. he has someone read the mail and pass it on (or not)	[23:40]
BingoBoingo	!s Bryce	[23:40]
assbot	5 results for 'Bryce' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Bryce	[23:40]
Cogburn	Hahahah we had a twitter fight a year ago and people think i hate you	[23:40]
asciilifeform	Cogburn: so was it the beard ? or an actual position ?	[23:40]
Cogburn	I apparently did an interview with a blogger antagonistic to you and I wanted to clarify any guilt by association	[23:40]
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Cogburn	Okay. I did not ever think that bitcoin would outperform BH.	[23:40]
mircea_popescu	interview ? who for ? wut ?	[23:41]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: With Surf Captial Management kid	[23:42]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084140 << magically, i have never seen any of this irl	[23:42]
assbot	Logged on 02-04-2015 14:59:47; asciilifeform: what a crock of shit!	[23:42]
mircea_popescu	where is this thing used by millions ?	[23:43]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 'used' has a very peculiar meaning here	[23:43]
asciilifeform	sorta like high fructose syrup is 'used'	[23:43]
danielpbarron	cazalla, Patch.com reports the arrest of a Massachusetts man who sort to purchase a firearm << should be "sought to purchase" ?	[23:43]
asciilifeform	as in, fed to unsuspecting bipedal cattle	[23:43]
cazalla	danielpbarron, ty	[23:43]
mircea_popescu	but i never seen one.	[23:43]
mircea_popescu	how does it even work, you hash the "public key" and then multiply it with something ? sorta halfass rsa ?	[23:44]
cazalla	Hahahah we had a twitter fight a year ago and people think i hate you <<< not people, your friend from coinwhatever website	[23:44]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: since it isn't an actual cryptosystem, you will never -see- it. instead, the bank account of that clown and his university 'sees' the royalties from idiot usg affiliates proclaiming to 'use' it.	[23:44]
mircea_popescu	ah one of those. mkay.	[23:44]
asciilifeform	http://www.voltage.com/technology/identity-based-encryption << him	[23:45]
assbot	Identity-Based Encryption (IBE), Boneh-Franklin Algorithm, Private Key Generation, Key Certificates, Cryptography Methods \| Voltage Security ... ( http://bit.ly/1DCxycx )	[23:45]
mircea_popescu	not that the idea is without merit.	[23:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21184 @ 0.00027029 = 5.7258 BTC [+] {2}	[23:45]
asciilifeform	1) idiot generates a 'public key' by his email, or name, being hashed	[23:45]
mircea_popescu	any random string being hashable, any random string could be used as a pubkey, in principle. may take some work to mine a usable privkey to go with it, but...	[23:45]
asciilifeform	2) usg generates a private key to 'go with' the public	[23:45]
asciilifeform	by virtue of the hash being malleable	[23:46]
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asciilifeform	then they live happily ever after	[23:46]
asciilifeform	in buttfuck embrace	[23:46]
mircea_popescu	lol how is this encryption	[23:46]
asciilifeform	same way american 'food' is food	[23:46]
mircea_popescu	no but i mean for srs. this could actually be done correctly	[23:46]
mircea_popescu	drive them out of market.	[23:46]
asciilifeform	'encryption-flavoured extruded product'	[23:46]
mircea_popescu	(yeah yeah i know, as if)	[23:46]
asciilifeform	correctly?!	[23:46]
mircea_popescu	why couldn't i have arbitrary pubkey ?	[23:47]
asciilifeform	you can right now	[23:47]
mircea_popescu	exactly.	[23:47]
asciilifeform	e.g. 'vanitygen'	[23:47]
mircea_popescu	prolly the bruteforce approach doesn't deliver 100%.	[23:47]
asciilifeform	but the asymmetry is required for honest crypto. i.e. if mr luser can determine a privkey to go with luser@luserdom.com than so can you and i	[23:48]
mircea_popescu	hm	[23:49]
mircea_popescu	i suppose you're right - this service existing is sufficient prooof what it's serving isn't crypto.	[23:49]
asciilifeform	it's a 'keybase'.	[23:49]
asciilifeform	for all i know, 'keybase' is a licensee	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	lol	[23:50]
asciilifeform	i suppose one can patent a chumpatron.	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	gotta spend that "seed money" somehow.	[23:50]
asciilifeform	'scheme for relieving idiots of their...'	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084166 << no, implication is "our readership is moronic"	[23:51]
assbot	Logged on 02-04-2015 15:06:45; asciilifeform: What You Need to Know About the Unsealed Silk Road Docket << i do so hate these 'what you need to know' titles. implication is that no serious person would need to know anything else	[23:51]
asciilifeform	i haven't seen anything as insulting to the intelligence of the reader as 'voltage security co.' in many years.	[23:52]
asciilifeform	because, possibly, the flavour of being targeted at folks who go in for cryptological maths, rather than garden-variety schmucks	[23:52]
mircea_popescu	i suppose it's targeted at folks who think the usg is a good idea and windows an operating system.	[23:52]
asciilifeform	it's one thing to pitch 'proof that 1=2' to third-grade children, another - to maths grad students	[23:52]
mircea_popescu	depends. stanford grads prolly buy it.	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	if mit grads anything to go by.	[23:53]
asciilifeform	on the flip side, it gives an almost p.t. barnum-esque air of loud, profanely farting cynical hucksterism. nostalgic.	[23:53]
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asciilifeform	sorta the same feeling i used to get when i was a regular reader of 'secret' forums for spammers	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084204 << if you recall, that was taken off because that's how sa owned the forum back during mtgox 1 cent days	[23:54]
assbot	Logged on 02-04-2015 15:27:23; nubbins`: wow, the latest DDOS attack against the forum seems to have reinstated the ability to change/add avatars	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	so go ahead, sql inject it.	[23:54]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform those forums... sorta tardstalk before the bitcoin.	[23:55]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00027 = 3.699 BTC [-]	[23:55]
asciilifeform	aha. they even had own 'spamcoins' (using - now, long-dead - centralized spam-money services)	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	people are generally stupid in the same ways.	[23:55]
*	assbot gives voice to pete_dushenski	[23:56]
asciilifeform	it is rare to see an entirely novel stupid invented.	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	kinda why you'd expect governments to do better than they are, really.	[23:56]
asciilifeform	incidentally, one idea for writersey folks - taxonomy of the meaningfully-different forms of bad crypto.	[23:57]
pete_dushenski	token "hey look it's pete" scoop: http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/02/mean-streets/	[23:57]
assbot	Mean Streets. \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1DCAeH8 )	[23:57]
asciilifeform	https://craphound.com/spamsolutions.txt << based possibly on this. or in essay form	[23:57]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1DCAg1J )	[23:57]
mircea_popescu	definite flavour of malus enumeratio	[23:58]
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asciilifeform	not as a serious guide for humans !	[23:59]
asciilifeform	as a massage.	[23:59]
asciilifeform	jjust like spamsolutions.txt is not a textbook	[23:59]
asciilifeform	enumerations of fallacies - and especially of scams - are not useless	[23:59]

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