Forum logs for 01 Mar 2016

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21638 @ 0.00057628 = 12.4695 BTC [-] [00:09]
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ben_vulpes the only line i have for coworkers and plebs on this topic is "you haven't thought for half a second why the /nsa/ didn't bring this suit?" [00:25]
mircea_popescu on which side ? [00:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00059143 = 11.7103 BTC [+] [00:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64950 @ 0.00057612 = 37.419 BTC [-] {3} [00:31]
ben_vulpes the fbi's side - why would they argue apple's side? [00:32]
ben_vulpes but really it's ambiguous for a reason [00:32]
ben_vulpes got someone bought in on the "drop on first packet or gtfo" mentality, but still have to conquer the "well first you have to transfer the IP buffered packets into user space" mindset [00:33]
ben_vulpes "because lol what we're going to fab our own chips?" [00:33]
ben_vulpes mwell now that you ask... [00:33]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: what's your cad poison of choice? [00:34]
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mircea_popescu ben_vulpes> got someone bought in on the "drop on first packet or gtfo" mentality, but still have to conquer the "well first you have to transfer the IP buffered packets into user space" mindset <<< can you say this in other words ? [00:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60500 @ 0.00059143 = 35.7815 BTC [+] [00:42]
ben_vulpes "yeah man! big challenge though is to get it to operate at line speed." [00:43]
ben_vulpes "pff line speed. you still need to get the buffered packets from the kernel into userspace, and that's an abstraction you'll have a hard time getting around." [00:43]
ben_vulpes because the counterparty in this conversation is not thinking of gossipd as a device but a proggy that runs on a computer. [00:44]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: i have a (unpublished, for good reasons) prototype that doesn't have 'kernel' or 'userland' at all, but just this bare metal thing that sets up the nic ring buffer (coreboot payload) and loops, checks rsa, retransmits on other nic... [00:51]
asciilifeform on ordinary (well, 'pcengines' pancake) computer. [00:52]
asciilifeform asm, it's good for you. [00:53]
mats that sounds fun [00:54]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70150 @ 0.00059146 = 41.4909 BTC [+] {2} [00:54]
asciilifeform mats: the idea is, a kind of line-speed (GB ethernet) wall, where crud goes in, and valid in-wot gossipd out. [00:54]
asciilifeform if so much as 1 packet per billion is valid. [00:55]
mats did you actually write the routines in asm? [00:58]
asciilifeform aha. [00:58]
asciilifeform but doesn't work as well as i'd like, not line speed (uses dumb bignum) [00:59]
asciilifeform i will pick this back up again when there is reason to. [00:59]
asciilifeform the idea is very simple, anybody who really wants to can pick his favourite nic chipset and implement. [01:03]
asciilifeform not much in terms of moving parts, ought to handily fit in a nic boot rom. [01:03]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80050 @ 0.00059441 = 47.5825 BTC [+] {7} [01:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48600 @ 0.00058718 = 28.5369 BTC [-] {2} [01:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26070 @ 0.00058718 = 15.3078 BTC [-] {2} [01:20]
mircea_popescu if so much as 1 packet per billion is valid. << this sounds like the ticket. [01:21]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: that's what 'line speed' means. [01:32]
asciilifeform it means that the crud doesn't affect the valid payloads. [01:33]
asciilifeform in whatever way. [01:33]
asciilifeform (at least, not after it leaves isp) [01:33]
mircea_popescu aha. [01:36]
mircea_popescu i could see even dedicating a box to this. [01:36]
mircea_popescu make it a nice firewall. [01:36]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: that's sorta how it is meant to work. [01:36]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: prototyped on one of these, [01:37]
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asciilifeform ^ these are prolly the only 100% open x86 box presently made [01:39]
asciilifeform (no-turd firmware, full schematics) [01:39]
mircea_popescu aha [01:42]
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punkman [01:49]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51722 @ 0.00058227 = 30.1162 BTC [+] {2} [02:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70655 @ 0.00058231 = 41.1431 BTC [+] [02:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88741 @ 0.00058908 = 52.2755 BTC [+] {2} [02:26]
ben_vulpes jurov: highly nifty [02:34]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: and the reason you picked tinyscheme over say ecl is...footprint? dreppers in ecl? [02:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65926 @ 0.00059659 = 39.3308 BTC [+] {4} [02:34]
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deedbot- [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Waiting for Taleb. - [02:58]
punkman [03:01]
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ben_vulpes welp [03:03]
ben_vulpes flycheck just deleted the contents of an entire buffer [03:03]
ben_vulpes there's one for the dustbin. [03:03]
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assbot Merle Haggard -- Are The Good Times Really Over - YouTube ... ( ) [04:17]
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deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 30.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - [04:30]
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ben_vulpes HOOOOOOOOOO [04:38]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16356 @ 0.00057992 = 9.4852 BTC [-] {2} [05:03]
ben_vulpes phf: here's a stumper [05:12]
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ben_vulpes while last night the swank flags worked just handily, tonight, passing the swank flag to a booting bitcoind results in an error, "too short", from scheme.cpp [05:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52330 @ 0.00057932 = 30.3158 BTC [-] {2} [05:13]
ben_vulpes running the /exact same/ bitcoind command runs something that i can telnet into and scream lisp at [05:14]
ben_vulpes wtf this was working yesterday [05:19]
botneko-chan Why all that panic about filled up backlog and slow transcations? Sent btc today with 0.0005 fee and it got 6 confirmations in 2h [05:23]
ben_vulpes there's no actual panic, botneko-chan. there are a zillion for-hire-for-pennies social media accounts supporting some nsa plants attempts to matter with kindergarten grade psyops. [05:28]
ben_vulpes phf, nevermind, i'm a classic core derp [05:30]
botneko-chan I support Core too [05:32]
ben_vulpes botneko-chan: what is Core? [05:34]
botneko-chan I mean main bitcoin dev team and so, not a forks like Classic or XT [05:35]
ben_vulpes what do the Core people think about increasing the block size? [05:37]
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ben_vulpes botneko-chan: ^^ [05:38]
botneko-chan I'm actually not very interested in btc politics, but in my opinion if increase block size then miners would get less profit from tx processing when there would be no new btc mined. Mining would become non-rentable and hashpower will decrease after some time then making easier for someone to get 51% just by turning on ol ASIC that was turned off because of low profit. I'm okay with current blocks and higher fees, in my o [05:42]
botneko-chan not for cents, there is need to design overlay network for faster low-fee small payment processing instead of increasing block size [05:42]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 134032 @ 0.00057928 = 77.6421 BTC [-] {2} [05:44]
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ben_vulpes not interested in btc politics botneko-chan ? just in it for the ddos? [05:46]
botneko-chan I'm using bitcoin and like it, but wasn't tracking fork-related discussions before someone payd for DDoS'ing Classic [05:48]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74092 @ 0.00057858 = 42.8681 BTC [-] [05:49]
ben_vulpes << asciilifeform what was the actual trigger for the blackhole? requesting a specific transaction? [05:54]
assbot Logged on 03-02-2016 16:52:56; ascii_butugychag: blackhole results when the worker thread (the one that handles nearly everything) is wedged [05:54]
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ben_vulpes i am also curious to hear about how long the bitcoind recompile is in your various workflows, asciilifeform, phf, mod6, punkman, jurov [05:55]
ben_vulpes !up cazalla [05:55]
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ben_vulpes hey boss [05:55]
cazalla thanks ben_vulpes, good evening :) [05:55]
Naphex morning [05:56]
punkman ben_vulpes: compiles pretty fast [05:56]
ben_vulpes punkman: like 10ms? 100ms? 1s? [05:57]
ben_vulpes cazalla: good to see you key in hand [05:57]
ben_vulpes heh [05:57]
ben_vulpes briefly considered 'cock in hand' [05:57]
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cazalla ben_vulpes, i wonder which i actually value more :P [05:58]
ben_vulpes hm actually i upped you so how would i know [05:58]
cazalla well, i just auth'd so no matter [05:58]
ben_vulpes yeah, i saw the second go through, but i don't think there's a guarantee that *you* did the second one. [05:59]
ben_vulpes can we down each other? [05:59]
ben_vulpes !down cazalla [05:59]
punkman ben_vulpes: a few seconds maybe [05:59]
cazalla !down ben_vulpes [05:59]
cazalla guess not [05:59]
ben_vulpes !up SuchWow [05:59]
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ben_vulpes !down SuchWow [05:59]
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ben_vulpes ah and assbot yelled at me too [05:59]
ben_vulpes well hi! [05:59]
cazalla likewise [06:00]
ben_vulpes !up SuchWow if you have complaints to render feel free to do so here [06:00]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27950 @ 0.00058264 = 16.2848 BTC [+] {3} [06:00]
SuchWow Greetings investors [06:00]
SuchWow how goes it :) [06:00]
ben_vulpes i'll not talk to any 'staff-emeritus' in pm [06:00]
cazalla i remember you SuchWow [06:00]
SuchWow ben_vulpes: i have no complaints lol [06:00]
SuchWow whatever, it's literally true, it's just a tag, get over it lol [06:00]
ben_vulpes well i'm just having a conversation with an old friend i haven't seen in a few weeks, but thanks for getting involved! [06:00]
SuchWow hey now, you upped me lol :) [06:01]
ben_vulpes why so butthurt [06:01]
SuchWow about what? [06:01]
cazalla still have those dogecoin investments SuchWow ? [06:01]
ben_vulpes anyways, how's the second cooking, cazalla ? [06:01]
SuchWow cazalla: nah i stopped trading about 1.5 years ago, and have been working IT ever since, no time for trading [06:01]
cazalla ben_vulpes, good, missus looks bigger the second time around for some reason, prenatal appt with nurse today confirmed that as well [06:01]
SuchWow i still watch charts and chatter daily just to keep up with it for fun tho [06:02]
ben_vulpes how many weeks along? [06:02]
ben_vulpes b/g? [06:02]
SuchWow congrats [06:02]
cazalla girl, due early june, 5 months, not sure on weeks top of my head [06:02]
cazalla thanks SuchWow [06:02]
ben_vulpes that's two! [06:02]
cazalla ben_vulpes, how's your little one? [06:02]
ben_vulpes two dowries! [06:02]
ben_vulpes cazalla: rolled over the other day! [06:03]
cazalla fun times :) [06:03]
ben_vulpes there's only so much damage the little fuckling can do in 485 ft2 [06:03]
cazalla i am looking forward to those things again, times seems to have gone so fast with the first, one moment he can barely roll and lift his head but now it's all walkin' and talkin' [06:03]
ben_vulpes your first was a male? [06:04]
cazalla yeah, a boy named Noah, he turned 2 January just gone [06:04]
ben_vulpes pardon, i misremembered. [06:05]
cazalla all good, kids galore here these days, easy to lose track [06:05]
ben_vulpes starting to give a shit about his dad yet? [06:05]
cazalla i get more cuddles and kisses, but he only turns the tears on if mum leaves, not when dad goes out, doesn't seem to care as much [06:05]
ben_vulpes MORE FROWNING [06:06]
ben_vulpes << four months in, beginning to reheheheally feel this [06:06]
assbot Logged on 24-12-2015 08:11:50; *: mircea_popescu is reasonably impressed. had ben_vulpes pegged for "this guy's managed to put himself in a texbook model of a place where guys crack". [06:06]
cazalla it's as hard as it is enjoyable [06:07]
SuchWow Just out of curiosity, what do you guys think about ethereum, meaning this chan in general [06:07]
SuchWow i'm not super well versed, but it's come up enough to make me go hmm, plus those charts are cray cray lol [06:08]
punkman SuchWow: [06:08]
assbot Logged on 22-01-2016 16:20:52; punkman: terminal: just salty that we didn't buy mp's cheap eth [06:08]
cazalla SuchWow, i don't really follow altcoins, so many of them, so many failures, bitcoin remains #1 despite all the 2.0 shit that has been promised to topple it all these years [06:08]
punkman ;;calc 0.01507 * 2000 [06:08]
gribble 30.14 [06:08]
SuchWow punkman: haha [06:08]
punkman 1 bitcoin of ETH at first sale is worth 30 now [06:08]
SuchWow cazalla: that's reasonable. i don't really either, it's just that it's been hard to NOT hear about that one over the last year [06:09]
SuchWow yeah pre-sale woulda been nice, but i don't blame myself one bit for not buying the hype [06:09]
cazalla SuchWow, even if it was the second coming, idgaf as it will inflate forever [06:09]
SuchWow wasn't there some thing where the algo was gonna force POW to stop and switch to POS even tho no POS algo had been invented yet [06:10]
SuchWow did they ever fix that i wonder [06:10]
ben_vulpes i wonder how the conversation drifted from parenting to shillcoins [06:10]
cazalla not sure, from what i know it will change to pos at some point and then inflate the supply forever [06:10]
ben_vulpes must be that dogecoin guy again [06:10]
cazalla well, back to parent, ben_vulpes did you end up going ahead with co-sleeping? [06:10]
ben_vulpes mhm! [06:10]
cazalla how is that going? [06:11]
ben_vulpes putting the pressure on to get him into his bassinet more regularly [06:11]
ben_vulpes well he sleeps through the night, let's start there [06:11]
ben_vulpes stirs a mite, gets fed, goes back to sleep. [06:11]
SuchWow ben_vulpes: i just asked a question, why so butthurt [06:11]
cazalla from 3 months, my boy slept 7pm-7am like clockwork, but when teething began so did around 6 months of shitty sleeping [06:12]
SuchWow anyhow, i'll leave you guys to it, be well! [06:12]
punkman ;;calc 15000 * 0.01507 [06:12]
gribble 226.05 [06:12]
SuchWow i enjoy our twice a year talks lol [06:12]
ben_vulpes some real horrific tiny house gypsy shit: 2 adults, 1 infant and 80lbs of ferocious lovedog in a queen bed [06:12]
cazalla lol seeya SuchWow [06:12]
punkman anton_osika's 3 btc would be 226 now [06:12]
assbot -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Future Delivery Contract Fo - ... ( ) [06:12]
cazalla well, he can always sign and collect it punkman [06:13]
punkman probably a bit late for that [06:15]
ben_vulpes probably more crowded than anything mircea_popescu engages in willingly, and i don't even like it. [06:17]
punkman rental? [06:18]
ben_vulpes ofc [06:19]
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jurov sadly, i don't really have any trb workflow. except that i sit down on it for few days once few months [08:41]
assbot Logged on 01-03-2016 08:54:01; ben_vulpes: i am also curious to hear about how long the bitcoind recompile is in your various workflows, asciilifeform, phf, mod6, punkman, jurov [08:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68450 @ 0.00057521 = 39.3731 BTC [-] {6} [08:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33400 @ 0.00058518 = 19.545 BTC [+] {4} [08:49]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61450 @ 0.00057354 = 35.244 BTC [-] {4} [09:29]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 129749 @ 0.00057599 = 74.7341 BTC [+] {2} [09:41]
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shinohai <<< if I may interject, I have yet to have a trb recompile take longer than an hour even if I bork something up. [10:07]
assbot Logged on 01-03-2016 11:39:56; assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 08:54:01; ben_vulpes: i am also curious to hear about how long the bitcoind recompile is in your various workflows, asciilifeform, phf, mod6, punkman, jurov [10:07]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.00059088 = 9.2177 BTC [+] {3} [10:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63800 @ 0.000591 = 37.7058 BTC [+] [10:18]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59900 @ 0.00058376 = 34.9672 BTC [-] {2} [10:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16568 @ 0.00059099 = 9.7915 BTC [+] {2} [10:33]
mircea_popescu aghagaga punkman what the everloving fuck is that. companion cheesecake for "the graduate" ? [10:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42270 @ 0.00059178 = 25.0145 BTC [+] {2} [10:39]
mircea_popescu << did it have any flies in it ? [10:43]
assbot Logged on 01-03-2016 06:02:07; ben_vulpes: flycheck just deleted the contents of an entire buffer [10:43]
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mircea_popescu << this has been discussed at length in the logs. yes, it's pretty dumb. [10:45]
assbot Logged on 01-03-2016 08:40:28; botneko-chan: I'm actually not very interested in btc politics, but in my opinion if increase block size then miners would get less profit from tx processing when there would be no new btc mined. Mining would become non-rentable and hashpower will decrease after some time then making easier for someone to get 51% just by turning on ol ASIC that was turned off because of low profit. I'm okay with curr [10:45]
mircea_popescu << about 18-20 minutes. [10:46]
assbot Logged on 01-03-2016 08:54:01; ben_vulpes: i am also curious to hear about how long the bitcoind recompile is in your various workflows, asciilifeform, phf, mod6, punkman, jurov [10:46]
mircea_popescu lol staff emeritus. how's the scam these days SuchWow [10:48]
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mircea_popescu "noisehole, bullshitter, blowhard, drunkard, sadist, rapist, all-around disgrace to the sad sad State of Bitcoin (and a passive-aggressive plagiarist, too, to top a cherry on the shit-pan-kake!)" da fuck did you do adlai ! [10:50]
mircea_popescu !up SuchWow [10:52]
-assbot- You voiced SuchWow for 30 minutes. [10:52]
* assbot gives voice to SuchWow [10:52]
mircea_popescu !gettrust assbot SuchWow [10:52]
assbot SuchWow is not registered in WoT. [10:52]
mircea_popescu o.O [10:52]
mircea_popescu get in the wot, wut! [10:52]
SuchWow sorry, i have split screen serverside msgs [10:52]
SuchWow so didn't realize my response wasn't going through lol. i [10:52]
SuchWow [08:48:40] mircea_popescu: you guys are so pompous lol...i haven't been involved in crypto, trading or otherwise, for almost 2 year. Doge seems to fine, still has a small community (moreso than litecoin anyways), and i've been watching crypto in general just for fun. Eth seems interesting, but still not convinced. [10:53]
SuchWow [08:49:05] <+mircea_popescu> "noisehole, bullshitter, blowhard, drunkard, sadist, rapist, all-around disgrace to the sad sad State of Bitcoin (and a passive-aggressive plagiarist, too, to top a cherry on the shit-pan-kake!)" da fuck did you do adlai ! [10:53]
SuchWow [08:49:05] mircea_popescu: how is bitcoin and all of your various endeavours whatever they may be? [10:53]
SuchWow [08:49:16] (i won't pretend to act like i know you because, i don't) [10:53]
SuchWow [08:49:46] (just as you literally don't know me, at all lol) [10:53]
mircea_popescu ... [10:53]
SuchWow didn't want to retype a paraphrase, sry [10:53]
SuchWow because of client, didn't realize wasn't sending [10:53]
mircea_popescu ic! [10:53]
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mircea_popescu usually the meaning of emeritus, yes. [10:54]
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mircea_popescu and yeah, i agree, dogecoin, like litecoin, all went the way of the bell bottoms. [10:54]
SuchWow the emeritus tag is much less than you guys have been making of it lol [10:54]
mircea_popescu it's a cult hit now! [10:54]
SuchWow you all have literally paid 10x more attn to it than myself lol [10:54]
mircea_popescu SuchWow 'emeritus" just means retired, neh ? [10:54]
SuchWow a dogecoin op became freenode dev, freenode decided to give aff cloaks for dogecoin project [10:55]
SuchWow for my time and service in being founding op of that chan [10:55]
mircea_popescu bwahahaha [10:55]
SuchWow they asked if i wanted it [10:55]
SuchWow i said 'ok sure, neat' [10:55]
SuchWow lol [10:55]
mircea_popescu o brother. i've been trying to give servers and stuff to the freenode shitheads for YEARS [10:55]
mircea_popescu meanwhiole they're busy doging the dev. [10:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83000 @ 0.00059433 = 49.3294 BTC [+] {2} [10:56]
SuchWow i certainly don't claim that there was any logic to the decision, but if you've seen #freenode lately, and ANNs, a lot has changed around here recently [10:56]
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mircea_popescu yeah, specifically [10:57]
assbot Logged on 19-02-2016 15:24:53; mircea_popescu: * #freenode :Cannot send to channel [10:57]
mircea_popescu so much has changed it'll be an accomplishment if they last the year. [10:57]
SuchWow well, in their defense [10:57]
SuchWow they said that a lot of this is really just resurrection of 'the old ways' [10:57]
SuchWow and not actually new changes in that regard [10:57]
mircea_popescu aha. [10:57]
SuchWow yeah i found that interesting as well [10:58]
mircea_popescu so what are you doing these days ? wanna test my mmorpg ? [10:58]
SuchWow having only been here a few years [10:58]
SuchWow working IT repairs/custom installs/refreshes/etc [10:58]
SuchWow currently vacationing in vegas lol [10:58]
SuchWow but the poker scene here has died so much over the last 5 years [10:58]
SuchWow that it's day 3-4 and i'm litearlly in my hotel room chatting on irc because this place just ain't what it used to be lol [10:59]
mircea_popescu yeah, vegas is yet another sanded harbor in the history of civilisation. [10:59]
SuchWow it's now a hotel-centric business [10:59]
mircea_popescu kinda sad, for all who knew its past glory. [10:59]
SuchWow and casinos are the loss leader [10:59]
SuchWow it's so fuckin weird [10:59]
SuchWow cuz i used to come here all the time [10:59]
SuchWow <+mircea_popescu> kinda sad, for all who knew its past glory. [10:59]
SuchWow ^^ [10:59]
mircea_popescu course that kinda ended in the 80s, just been soft-ish landing ever since. [11:00]
SuchWow i started in early 00s [11:00]
SuchWow with the new Strip revamp [11:00]
mircea_popescu aha [11:00]
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mircea_popescu !up moli [11:01]
-assbot- You voiced moli for 30 minutes. [11:01]
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SuchWow won a $3300 jackpot in 05, and had free room offers from Harrahs (caesars) for 2 years as a result [11:01]
SuchWow was living in Cali $50 plane tick, starte going just for fun [11:01]
SuchWow and never gave it back haha [11:01]
mircea_popescu back when the hotels were the loss leaders. [11:01]
SuchWow finally they cut me off and said fuck you back lol [11:01]
SuchWow yes exactly lol [11:01]
mircea_popescu lol [11:01]
SuchWow and back when they respected poker as well [11:01]
SuchWow that's the only thing i ever really did on my trips [11:02]
SuchWow poker + free drinks [11:02]
mircea_popescu well because it was the loss leader also. people went to lose money to champs just on the basis of hte brand [11:02]
SuchWow poker was always the loss leader, even during the boom [11:02]
mircea_popescu "oh i played with chow" "o yea ? how'd you do ?" "folded three hands!" [11:02]
SuchWow but now there is literally no tourist market for poker anymore [11:02]
SuchWow and half the rooms that have been jere decades [11:02]
SuchWow have closed or 50% in size/moved/etc [11:02]
SuchWow it's really sad for me to see that, but at the same time [11:03]
SuchWow vegas is still doing alright [11:03]
SuchWow it's just catering to a different ceowd [11:03]
SuchWow they also cleaned up all the hookers and homeless [11:03]
mircea_popescu yeah lol. government workers. [11:03]
SuchWow like literally, poof, gone [11:03]
SuchWow (for the most part) [11:03]
SuchWow it's becoming a destination resort town, with gambling offered as just one of several differnt options, no more special weighting [11:04]
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mircea_popescu no more tables, no more cocktail waitress cocksuckers off duty waiting for teh winners, no more vegas! [11:04]
SuchWow no, they're all there [11:04]
SuchWow that's the surreal part [11:04]
SuchWow it's all still there, people are doing it [11:04]
SuchWow but it's different people [11:04]
SuchWow and it's just no logner the focus [11:05]
mircea_popescu aha [11:05]
SuchWow the hotels would almost rather you not gamble as much as before [11:05]
SuchWow and instead spend $20/day on hotel wifi [11:05]
SuchWow and the recently increased across the board prices [11:05]
SuchWow on literally everything in the city [11:05]
mircea_popescu << the concept that you fit in there still boggles me. [11:05]
assbot Logged on 01-03-2016 09:02:12; ben_vulpes: there's only so much damage the little fuckling can do in 485 ft2 [11:05]
SuchWow i am at a $30/night room at resort on Fremont [11:05]
SuchWow and wifi is 20/day [11:05]
SuchWow i'm in the wrong business lol [11:06]
mircea_popescu $30 a night ?! such can't be had in all of buenos aires. [11:06]
mircea_popescu i mean there's some REALLY seedy places here, "hotel familiar" etc, literal hookers and bums, [11:06]
SuchWow $30/night has always been attainable on downtown vegas strip [11:06]
SuchWow that's not new [11:06]
mircea_popescu yeah. just saying. [11:06]
SuchWow it's all the *other* charges that are very targetted and new [11:06]
SuchWow last time is was $12.99 [11:06]
SuchWow 5-6 years ago when i was last here [11:06]
mircea_popescu the idea of paying for wifi is so weird. [11:07]
SuchWow now they're just like 'fuck it, rape them on services and amenities and drinks' [11:07]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68000 @ 0.00059471 = 40.4403 BTC [+] {2} [11:07]
SuchWow i went down to the bar and got 2 heiniekens was liek $15 [11:07]
SuchWow or stick $20 into video poker and is free lol [11:07]
SuchWow but nobodyu is doing that anymore [11:07]
SuchWow the crowd they are now attracting just gladly pays [11:07]
mircea_popescu aha. [11:07]
mircea_popescu << you know that's normal. [11:08]
assbot Logged on 01-03-2016 09:04:23; cazalla: i get more cuddles and kisses, but he only turns the tears on if mum leaves, not when dad goes out, doesn't seem to care as much [11:08]
SuchWow it is kinda brilliant, and the overall atmosphere is much better in many ways [11:08]
SuchWow just not my style and not what i came for lol [11:08]
SuchWow but it is surely more profitable for everyone involved, so i get it [11:08]
mircea_popescu government workers. [11:08]
SuchWow mircea_popescu: what do you think about the pres candidates [11:08]
SuchWow synopsis lol [11:08]
SuchWow you think a lot, more than me even [11:09]
mircea_popescu << more or less htis. [11:09]
assbot BitBet - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination :: 137.71 B (62%) on Yes, 83.19 B (38%) on No | closing in 1 month 1 week| weight: 20`618 (100`000 to 1) ... ( ) [11:09]
SuchWow rolf [11:09]
SuchWow was just looking at that [11:09]
SuchWow someone linked it elsewhere earlier [11:09]
mircea_popescu i didn't even bet, myself. but i think it's pretty much on the money. [11:09]
SuchWow but what is the end game [11:09]
SuchWow it's either trump v sanders, or v hillary [11:09]
SuchWow and i think sanders won't be 'permitted' 'able' to win [11:10]
mircea_popescu prolly hillary. [11:10]
SuchWow i think the whole damn circus is just a scripted mess to get hillary in [11:10]
mircea_popescu see there's this thing where they "prepare" future candidates. sanders may well get 2020. [11:10]
mircea_popescu aha, quite exactly. [11:10]
SuchWow which is fine, as she is the only candidate giving us the highest probability of continued stability [11:10]
SuchWow 'business as usual, etc' [11:10]
SuchWow whilst simulatenously appeasing outliers [11:10]
SuchWow buy giving sanders more support than perot, nader, and paul cpombined [11:11]
SuchWow thus enforcing the illusion that we are all really choosing the outcome [11:11]
SuchWow it's neat [11:11]
mircea_popescu << so nsa/mit are trying to push an alt. good for them. they'll fail. [11:11]
assbot Logged on 01-03-2016 09:06:04; SuchWow: Just out of curiosity, what do you guys think about ethereum, meaning this chan in general [11:11]
SuchWow ahahaha [11:12]
mircea_popescu << and yet it's obvious. what's the difference between the two ? :D [11:12]
assbot Logged on 01-03-2016 09:08:51; ben_vulpes: i wonder how the conversation drifted from parenting to shillcoins [11:12]
SuchWow same hypothetical said about btc many times also tho [11:12]
SuchWow because he upped me lol [11:12]
SuchWow duh [11:13]
SuchWow as i said, i enjoy our bi-yearly talks lol [11:13]
SuchWow figured i'd bring my a-game for once ;) [11:13]
mircea_popescu tis much less of a hypotetical, tis a factual. look into the structure backing it if you're bored. [11:13]
SuchWow if nothing else, proving that trust/relationship can be established even without use of ratings bot lol [11:13]
SuchWow mircea_popescu: you're talking about eth, but saying not btc? [11:14]
mircea_popescu i can't say i'm not flattered nsa's trying their idea of "the mp approach", but in the famed words of knight, "get the fuck off the horse!" [11:14]
SuchWow or a combo of the two [11:14]
mircea_popescu entertainment and trust are orthogonal matters SuchWow [11:14]
SuchWow how did we get back to politics lol [11:15]
mircea_popescu but yes, an inkling of trust necessarily must stem out of outside the wot. [11:15]
SuchWow did the gov't have anything to do with creation of btc? [11:15]
SuchWow (just hypothetical by means of same token) [11:15]
SuchWow i knwo is unfairly braod Q lol [11:15]
SuchWow sry, wrist hurts [11:16]
mircea_popescu well, if it did or if it didn't, it's not like the case of ethereum in any sense. [11:16]
SuchWow interesting [11:16]
mircea_popescu what's that halfbreed's name, ho ? [11:16]
mircea_popescu gimme a sec ima dig out the thread. [11:16]
SuchWow but [11:16]
SuchWow if we don [11:16]
SuchWow tdon't really know [11:16]
mircea_popescu it was ho, shoe, something. elen chow. [11:16]
SuchWow then how can we say it is or isn't [11:16]
mircea_popescu like that. shu, apparently. [11:17]
assbot Logged on 24-02-2016 22:14:34; mircea_popescu: i'll have shu's head, and a few others instead. [11:17]
SuchWow (i am incredibly not well versed in eth tho admittedly, just the snips i hear here and there weekly on various chats/forums) [11:17]
mircea_popescu no wait, that's maybe not it. wtf was it,. [11:18]
SuchWow i certainly started watching that chart for fun tho, as i always do for btc/ltc/doge, a few months back [11:18]
SuchWow has been a wild ride, and i called a lot of the movement correctly [11:18]
SuchWow (but of course had zero invested due to no free time) [11:19]
mircea_popescu well, basically the story of eth is, "what if we made a b-a, except not on irc but in a spare closet at a usg-sponsored university, and we tried to get idiot kids on reddit excited and inept javascript developers contributing code and MAKE A BETTER BITCOIN in the sense that it'll suck where bitcoin hurts us." [11:19]
mircea_popescu then i went into them financially and they actually burned a few millions propping it up, and that pretty much brings us to the present day. [11:19]
SuchWow now that's the most interesting tl;dr i've read yet [11:19]
SuchWow right that's what gets me [11:19]
SuchWow i remember them fundraising etc [11:20]
SuchWow no prospects for growth [11:20]
SuchWow and then suddenly it's a currency and it starts acting like dogecoin, value/price-wise [11:20]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00059471 = 6.6608 BTC [+] [11:20]
mircea_popescu which is fine and good - by now it's obvious it's cheaper to kill it on technical grounds rather than financial seeing how nsa can print money but can't really hire anyone but indians and idiots for the life of it. [11:20]
mircea_popescu and so, here we are #2. [11:20]
SuchWow except that it seems to be maintaining the illusion longer [11:20]
SuchWow do people even consider eth to be a beta [11:21]
SuchWow or still alpha [11:21]
mircea_popescu SuchWow hey, govt has a lot of experience running ponzis. heck, social security is still somehow magically protected by illusion. [11:21]
SuchWow i've seen the page listing all the amazing proof of concept contracts/programs [11:21]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [11:21]
SuchWow and it is pretty neat [11:21]
SuchWow mircea_popescu: such is currency [11:21]
SuchWow and currency ofc is debt [11:21]
SuchWow it's all a sham, but it's amazing how long they've been able to prop it up and convince the vast majority of everyone to believe in it [11:22]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [11:22]
SuchWow what is the peewee word of the day lol [11:22]
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mircea_popescu !up SuchWow [11:26]
-assbot- You voiced SuchWow for 30 minutes. [11:26]
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mircea_popescu omg get in the wot already. [11:26]
SuchWow ok fine what do i have to do [11:26]
SuchWow make it simple [11:27]
SuchWow been in vegas for days and not slept much lol [11:27]
mircea_popescu you got a gpg key ? [11:27]
SuchWow anyhow, all i wanted to say was: [09:22:08] anyhow i'm gonna drift off for now [09:22:23] thanks for the good convo, be well sir (and all) [11:27]
SuchWow no i don't [11:27]
SuchWow just +i me [11:27]
mircea_popescu haha then a lot you gotta do. later! [11:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24730 @ 0.00058609 = 14.494 BTC [-] [11:27]
SuchWow way easier [11:27]
SuchWow or +v [11:27]
SuchWow or whatever [11:27]
SuchWow it's not like i ever talk lol [11:28]
jurov it's !up ... and you'll need pgp key even for eulora [11:29]
mircea_popescu hard to explain the benefit of sight to the blind [11:29]
SuchWow Nothing I do in this chan requires "trust" as far as I can see [11:29]
SuchWow it's just irc, and it's a chan i rarely if ever speak in [11:29]
SuchWow yet i do once in awhile read the chat here just for fun [11:29]
SuchWow anyhow, it's your chan, i'll shutup lol [11:29]
mircea_popescu let's just say that being able to see opens new dimensions to your life you never could see before. [11:30]
SuchWow hagn/d everyone :) [11:30]
SuchWow if i ever return to trading [11:30]
trinque guy's so tired he's speaking klingon [11:30]
SuchWow i will consider spending more time here, etc [11:30]
SuchWow lol [11:30]
jurov and actually, this chan isn't much about trading anymore [11:31]
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SuchWow then maybe there is no need for an enforceable trust system before one can speak ;) [11:38]
SuchWow i jest i jest, really going now lol [11:38]
SuchWow keep on being intelligent [11:38]
SuchWow the world needs it [11:38]
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jurov SuchWow: what about the code your ass runs on? no trust system needed? [11:40]
mircea_popescu <<< i was certainly never in a bed with a woman and her 80 lb "lovedog" before, whatever that may mean. [11:44]
assbot Logged on 01-03-2016 09:15:43; ben_vulpes: probably more crowded than anything mircea_popescu engages in willingly, and i don't even like it. [11:44]
mircea_popescu but then again, i am youthful and inexperienced. also was not in bed with woman and her infant child. [11:45]
thestringpuller so classic got 33 blocks out of last 1000. it's interesting seeing the derps derpin' [11:46]
mircea_popescu << word. [11:46]
assbot Logged on 01-03-2016 09:38:24; punkman: [11:46]
mircea_popescu trump didn't actually beat inflation, let alone the s&p. [11:46]
mircea_popescu the thing anon establishment ho fails to mention, however, is that S&P 500 is not in any sense a thing. [11:47]
mircea_popescu THEY KEEP CHANING THE CONTENTS! [11:47]
mircea_popescu the difference between "S&P 500" and "here's a retrospective list of 500 companies I picked" is moreover slim. [11:47]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller lemme guess, "consensus" ? [11:55]
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asciilifeform the systemd of emacs. [12:05]
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mircea_popescu an' how's the morn find you asciilifeform ? [12:05]
asciilifeform meeeeting... [12:06]
mircea_popescu my new whip smells of cow. ahh, sweet nature. [12:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20750 @ 0.000594 = 12.3255 BTC [+] [12:07]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: I don't even know what people are revolting about anymore. It's like watching #occupy wall street with BTC [12:11]
mircea_popescu lol. brace yourself, that's also coming. [12:12]
phf ben_vulpes: i don't ever touch dependencies, so 40s for a full rebuilt [12:12]
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jurov !t m f.mpif [12:55]
assbot Um, shouldn't you be with your own tribe or somethin'? [12:55]
jurov !t m x.eur [12:57]
assbot [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00256578 / 0.00256578 / 0.00256578 (42 shares, 0.11 BTC), 7D: 0.00254515 / 0.00262764 / 0.00266872 (2153 shares, 5.66 BTC), 30D: 0.00253517 / 0.00274909 / 0.00332476 (9529 shares, 26.20 BTC) [12:57]
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asciilifeform << this must include buildroot/gcc, the deps, etc. [13:32]
assbot Logged on 01-03-2016 13:44:43; mircea_popescu: << about 18-20 minutes. [13:32]
asciilifeform either that or mircea_popescu is using a 486... [13:32]
asciilifeform << isn't there a 'don't feed the animals' sign hanging somewhere above them ? [13:32]
assbot Logged on 01-03-2016 13:54:05; mircea_popescu: o brother. i've been trying to give servers and stuff to the freenode shitheads for YEARS [13:32]
jurov how do i search in deedbot stuff? [13:33]
asciilifeform << what specifically ~was~ this ? [13:33]
assbot Logged on 01-03-2016 13:55:33; assbot: Logged on 19-02-2016 15:24:53; mircea_popescu: * #freenode :Cannot send to channel [13:34]
jurov trinque what do you use to search deedbot's deeds? google sucksfor this, duckduckgo only a bit less [13:37]
jurov also, are you ok with me mirroring them often? [13:38]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah it was the whole thing. [13:40]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform i dunno, joined #freenode typed out the above turns out i had no voice. shrugged an' left. [13:45]
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jurov omg there are 110M deeds? [13:52]
mircea_popescu no way ?! [13:53]
trinque jurov: please do not write a naive scraper that runs often :p [13:53]
jurov [13:53]
trinque I have the logs in there for example [13:54]
jurov logs aren't so bulky I hope [13:54]
jurov did you set a limit at all? [13:54]
jurov huh but these are logs indeed [13:55]
trinque yeah, they're pretty big [13:55]
jurov trinque: imma use wget, should be OK if your webserver sends right date headers [13:56]
trinque just nginx on a static folder, should [13:56]
asciilifeform << wai wut ?! [14:00]
assbot Logged on 01-03-2016 15:10:48; mircea_popescu: lol. brace yourself, that's also coming. [14:00]
asciilifeform << what, exactly, is a 'lovedog' ? new word for skinny asian chick kept as pet ?? [14:03]
assbot Logged on 01-03-2016 14:43:25; mircea_popescu: <<< i was certainly never in a bed with a woman and her 80 lb "lovedog" before, whatever that may mean. [14:03]
trinque jurov: mind making sure it's returning not modified properly before cron job? [14:03]
trinque if not I'll fix it [14:03]
mircea_popescu noidea. [14:04]
jurov trinque , yes "HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 416 Requested Range Not Satisfiable The file is already fully retrieved; nothing to do." [14:04]
trinque neato [14:05]
trinque scrape away [14:05]
jurov may not work if you ever shrink files, but doubt that ever happens [14:05]
asciilifeform << i won't be surprised if a few trillions end up sunk into propping it up [14:05]
assbot Logged on 01-03-2016 14:18:16; mircea_popescu: then i went into them financially and they actually burned a few millions propping it up, and that pretty much brings us to the present day. [14:05]
trinque Anduck: learn from the above !!!1111!! ^ [14:05]
trinque lol [14:05]
asciilifeform (what, it costs usg to print more 0s after decimal point ?) [14:05]
trinque but it does. [14:06]
trinque whether they intentionally sink the USD to try to push people onto a USGCoin, who knows. [14:06]
asciilifeform << woah this is only slightly larger than my old 'nazi submarine' [14:07]
trinque kurrency kontrolz for the 21st century! [14:07]
assbot Logged on 01-03-2016 14:04:10; assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 09:02:12; ben_vulpes: there's only so much damage the little fuckling can do in 485 ft2 [14:07]
asciilifeform << where i live, you can just about part a motorcycle for 30/day. [14:08]
assbot Logged on 01-03-2016 14:04:40; mircea_popescu: $30 a night ?! such can't be had in all of buenos aires. [14:08]
asciilifeform *park [14:08]
asciilifeform << 9 times out of 10, it is simply that a new block appears, and has tx-dddos-crapola [14:09]
assbot Logged on 01-03-2016 08:52:51; ben_vulpes: << asciilifeform what was the actual trigger for the blackhole? requesting a specific transaction? [14:10]
asciilifeform there are also lesser blackholes, from the tx-ddos-crapola itself being received and verified [14:10]
asciilifeform (prior to it entering a block) [14:10]
asciilifeform shiva was originally part of an attempt to write a debugger to shine some light at this crud [14:11]
punkman [14:11]
assbot DROWN Attack ... ( ) [14:11]
asciilifeform '...a new form of cross-protocol Bleichenbacher padding oracle attack. It allows an attacker to decrypt intercepted TLS connections by making specially crafted connections to an SSLv2 server that uses the same private key.' << l0l [14:12]
asciilifeform i thought this was old ? [14:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2986 @ 0.00059585 = 1.7792 BTC [+] [14:12]
punkman motherfucking branded vulns [14:13]
asciilifeform the original ssl-'phuctor'-no-we-won't-publish-the-data folks, incidentally. [14:13]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu ^ [14:13]
asciilifeform 'it doesn't matter and we had it first!11111' [14:13]
asciilifeform [14:14]
assbot Logged on 18-05-2015 19:48:18; ascii_field: 'It doesn't work when Nadia Heninger goes to sell Phuctor before Stanford - Nadia Heninger doesn't own Phuctor, and the actual owners are very much present and very much capable to bitchslap her into oblivion.' << actually, 'crime pays.' chick gets a phd and cushy sinecure, etc. [14:14]
mircea_popescu punkman> motherfucking branded vulns << srsly. [14:14]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the notion that nadia heninger "got" a phd and "got" a cushy sinecure, in the sense of got that you employ when you say b-a got x done is ludicrous! [14:15]
asciilifeform fine. [14:15]
asciilifeform was given. [14:15]
mircea_popescu if i feed the fish in my tank, it does not follow that the tankfish "got" food. [14:15]
mircea_popescu and once i fucking croak, they'll get a cat's paw magazine. [14:15]
asciilifeform this much is obvious though. [14:15]
mircea_popescu "obvious" is NOT a byword for "stuff i ignore" [14:16]
mircea_popescu obvious is what stuff is that sits at the root of the tree of things and denies certain branches of thought [14:16]
asciilifeform hey, i'm also a fish, but in smaller tank with cruddier food and more cat. [14:16]
mircea_popescu permanently, without exception, in all cases. [14:16]
mircea_popescu what can i tell you. [14:16]
asciilifeform and in fact i'm in a fish store, in the bait tank. [14:16]
mircea_popescu whether you are or aren't : the notion that what nadia heninger did is in any way related to what nadia heninger "got" is the core and the root of cargo cultism. [14:17]
asciilifeform possibly she sucked the right pud ? [14:17]
asciilifeform or at least 'chose parents carefully' [14:17]
mircea_popescu there is no technology of prayer! [14:18]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu is clearly not an aztec. [14:18]
asciilifeform or tibetan. [14:18]
mircea_popescu i am clearly not a any one thing, but instead "rootless cosmopolitan" [14:18]
asciilifeform (do they have modern turbine yet in tibet, to turn prayer mill?) [14:18]
mircea_popescu because yes, socialist notion of belonging is always built on some version of "plox to believe there is technology of prayer" [14:18]
asciilifeform anyway i have profoundly nfi re: heninger. [14:19]
asciilifeform all i know is that she's 'house slave' and i'm 'field nigger.' [14:20]
punkman speaking of heningers [14:20]
assbot CacheBleed: A Timing Attack on OpenSSL Constant Time RSA ... ( ) [14:20]
mircea_popescu ahahaha [14:20]
jurov trinque actually, upon reading wget man, it will clobber html files because it always reads only the added range regardless of date headers :( [14:22]
jurov so (S)FTP or rsync would be better [14:23]
trinque jurov: only html is the index [14:23]
jurov and FAQ [14:23]
jurov and maybe some other stuff you forgot :_ [14:23]
jurov :) [14:23]
trinque I don't mind getting ya rsync, will have to be this evening [14:24]
jurov no, someday [14:24]
trinque heh someday it is then [14:24]
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asciilifeform notice how every time the 'branded' bug burn ends with 'and now you must install openssl x.y.n+1 ' ??? [14:29]
punkman it's all rather organized [14:29]
punkman [14:31]
assbot ... ( ) [14:31]
mircea_popescu myeah. [14:31]
* asciilifeform looks forward to pounding in the 'g' knife into the ssl idiocy [14:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70067 @ 0.00059681 = 41.8167 BTC [+] {3} [14:35]
mircea_popescu but what i personally take home from the whole "o noes, branded bugs nao" thing is that hearbleed REALLY hurt. [14:36]
mircea_popescu which is about as nice as all the derpage post-snowden. [14:36]
deedbot- [serialized delusions] F.MPIF 2015 trading statements - [14:36]
mircea_popescu and in other news, [14:38]
assbot ... ( ) [14:38]
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mircea_popescu lmao [14:51]
mircea_popescu pretty good nightmare fuel. [14:52]
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punkman for the kids [14:54]
assbot Mommy, why is there a server in the house? - YouTube ... ( ) [14:54]
deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.95000000 BTC on 'No' - Donald Trump will win the 2016 United States Presidential Election - [14:56]
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mircea_popescu lol what's with this trend of rewriting trilema poorly among the yuppy class ? [15:14]
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mircea_popescu aaaand we're losing txn again. [15:20]
ben_vulpes the hundred dollar store is pretty funny [15:22]
mircea_popescu word. [15:22]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform do you see txn bf77bf5ec7c02f4027caab024d5581d82bdea97ab8d7d97aac856169c038dd31 on ? [15:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25100 @ 0.00059572 = 14.9526 BTC [-] {2} [15:25]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform nevermind, false alarm. meanwhile i see it propagated. [15:27]
jurov win. [15:27]
assbot Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( ) [15:27]
punkman jurov: translation? [15:30]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: tx tends to be slow nowadays due to crapolade flood [15:33]
mircea_popescu in truth the failure modes for discrete production processes on the bitcoin network are currently still innumerable. [15:33]
mircea_popescu my list is in the thousands and i am still regularly blindsided. [15:34]
mircea_popescu i know it sounds ridiculous, but however it may sound, it is the fucking truth. [15:34]
ben_vulpes i'd like to see that list! [15:34]
mircea_popescu aha. [15:34]
asciilifeform < left: 'for yourself' right: 'for guests' [15:35]
assbot Logged on 01-03-2016 18:29:11; punkman: jurov: translation? [15:35]
asciilifeform discrete production processes ?? [15:35]
asciilifeform elaborate ? [15:35]
mircea_popescu yes. "do X thing". [15:35]
mircea_popescu "make a widget" [15:36]
asciilifeform the failure rate is, elementarily, a queue thing [15:36]
asciilifeform (whatever you ask for sits in a queue behind 10,001 pieces of shit) [15:36]
mircea_popescu i was thinking tower of shit problem, but yes. [15:37]
asciilifeform which tower of shit ? [15:38]
mircea_popescu bitcoin, the tower of shit. [15:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35587 @ 0.00059791 = 21.2778 BTC [+] [15:41]
mircea_popescu a collection of rotten hardware running dubios kernels with ball of shit visual studio-level bitcoin implementation, expected to somehow do things. [15:42]
mircea_popescu ridiculous. [15:42]
ben_vulpes fractally bad code [15:42]
asciilifeform out of curiosity, what failures has mircea_popescu observed that can be reliably attributed to shit hardware ? [15:44]
mircea_popescu nothing can be reliably attributed to anything [15:45]
mircea_popescu part of the fucking problem, this [15:45]
mircea_popescu but on the other hand - i can't fucking hire people for the love of everfuck. there is no such thing as a lowly bank clerk in bitcoin. everyone must be at above-phd level of tech awareness - yea, i know that doesn't cut it to be in b-a, fine, fuck you all, there are STILL 100k phds spewed out the world over who think themselves as they add to the pool of millions floating around that they are pdh-level! - [15:46]
mircea_popescu and EVEN THEN everyone must have access to the fucking top of the hierarchy because it is a GIVEN that everyone will encounter fundamental problems on a monthly basis. [15:47]
asciilifeform wai wut [15:47]
mircea_popescu if banks ran like this the average teller would look like a fucking safari hunter, [15:47]
mircea_popescu except for the steel breastplate and geiger counter. [15:47]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu is hiring a what ? [15:47]
mircea_popescu a nothing! i can't as much as have someone to clean the fucking floors. [15:48]
asciilifeform i thought mircea_popescu taught us that odin will smite those who hire hirelings [15:48]
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trinque wtf?!?! [15:48]
trinque tcp 0 0 ESTABLISHED [15:49]
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mircea_popescu do you understand how normal work works among humans ? bob has a widget factory, which needs a widgeteer, which is a job composed of 5 movements and 3 reaches, so he goes to the corner where kids loiter and goes "you there! do like this with your elbow! good. now read this list and apply it. every day." [15:50]
jurov trinque i was mistaken, wget does timestamping, so all should be swell... but srs 50kB/s? you serve deedbot over ADSL? [15:50]
mircea_popescu but no, in bitcoin it's "and if the clown car on the left comes unglued call this number and if the bla bla 5000 entries long" [15:50]
mircea_popescu and it's still not ~complete~. [15:50]
asciilifeform trinque: the fella on the left hand side is you, i recall. right hand - i think might be mircea_popescu ? [15:50]
trinque jurov: you asked if there were limits !!!111!! [15:50]
trinque asciilifeform: should be a fleanode server [15:50]
trinque deedbot- just parted [15:50]
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asciilifeform trinque: tcpdump plox. [15:51]
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mircea_popescu i happen to know what that is. ircd will just dump the highest latency users if it gets full. [15:51]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the situation you described is called 'skilled labour' and it is how i eat. [15:51]
asciilifeform welcome to planet 3. [15:51]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform not in the slightest. [15:51]
trinque mircea_popescu: ah [15:51]
mircea_popescu skilled labour is what happens with bob and his factory. [15:52]
mircea_popescu this nonsense is just nonsense. [15:52]
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asciilifeform taming bursting pipes which gush forth nonsense is - skilled labour. [15:52]
asciilifeform repetitive, trainable elbow movements is the other hind. [15:52]
asciilifeform *kind [15:52]
asciilifeform of labour [15:52]
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mircea_popescu ie, skilled. [15:53]
asciilifeform semi-skilled, if you insist. [15:54]
mircea_popescu skilled labour is hwat a carpenter does. he has 7 tools and 3 types of wood, and an absolute guarantee that his fucking board isn't going to spontaneously turn to marmalade. [15:54]
jurov trinque i'm used to limiting at ingress not egress. but i prolly disgress. [15:54]
mircea_popescu which is why it is WORK. [15:54]
mircea_popescu whereas what a doctor, or a lawyer do, independent professions and in no sense either labour or skilled, is to give you THEIR OPINIONS [15:54]
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mircea_popescu entirely fucking different story from doing any kind of work. [15:54]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i deal in boards that spontaneously turn into radioactive weevils. [15:54]
ben_vulpes ( jurov i chuckled ) [15:54]
asciilifeform this is not work ? [15:54]
mircea_popescu it is not work. [15:54]
mircea_popescu elementary : because it doesn't work. [15:55]
mircea_popescu just like medicine doesn't work. [15:55]
mircea_popescu "oh, but does it help ?" "i guess..." "WELL THEN!111" [15:55]
trinque jurov: gotta go do an errand, but when I'm seated at desk again I'll put some more thought into the section of my nginx config labeled "Fuck you, Anduck" [15:55]
mircea_popescu ahahaha what [15:55]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: virtually nothing to do with computing, works. [15:55]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform ikr ? and now we had to build money on top of it [15:56]
mircea_popescu fucking stupidest idea ever, should have tried building it on old crack whores first. [15:56]
asciilifeform iirc it still runs on a backbone of crackwhores.. [15:56]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77450 @ 0.00059476 = 46.0642 BTC [-] {2} [15:57]
asciilifeform anyway i specialize in making some selected subset of it actually WORK. [15:57]
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asciilifeform as showcased in, e.g., rotor, etc. [15:57]
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asciilifeform it is done, elementarily, by removing the weevils. [15:57]
asciilifeform and working with what remains. [15:58]
asciilifeform this is - surprisingly - a rare enough thing that i can live from it. [15:58]
asciilifeform but the down side is that, it being rare, there is ~0 demand, most places, most of the time. [15:58]
asciilifeform see old threadz, etc. [15:59]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform> anyway i specialize in making some selected subset of it actually WORK. << this much is true, yes. but you have a finite number of hands! [16:00]
asciilifeform aha, and, incidentally, i got 'volunteered' for 1.5 shift . [16:00]
mircea_popescu heh [16:00]
asciilifeform (supposedly for 1 qrt. but lul!) [16:01]
mircea_popescu ahahaha what, awhole quarter ? [16:01]
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asciilifeform aha. [16:01]
mircea_popescu lol. well, the plan is working splendidly. who'd bother shooting you, you're rather easy to mothball anyway. [16:01]
mircea_popescu anyway. bill's up, i guess im closing down this phuctor server and eating the 2 month bill as cdb ? [16:02]
asciilifeform mno. [16:02]
mircea_popescu well ? [16:02]
asciilifeform it goes up this week. [16:02]
asciilifeform db nearly done regrinding. [16:02]
mircea_popescu they may well cut it off this week. [16:02]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: gimme an addr, i'll pay for it myself until it is +ev. [16:03]
mircea_popescu nuts. [16:03]
mircea_popescu this is how you end up volunteered for 1.5 shifts, you know. [16:03]
asciilifeform it pays. [16:04]
mircea_popescu there is also that, yeah. anyway! [16:04]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu himself taught us, 'dont't be poorfag' [16:04]
mircea_popescu i think i'm done raging for the day. [16:04]
asciilifeform my not-so-secret plan is to take some unpaid leave, possibly in summer. [16:05]
asciilifeform and, in order to have ~with what~ - well. [16:05]
asciilifeform anyway mircea_popescu signed addr plox. [16:05]
mircea_popescu and apologies to all the people waiting on payouts. they're out now, 3confirms. [16:06]
assbot BitBet - Jeb Bush will be Republicans' 2016 Presidential Nominee :: 1.63 B (9%) on Yes, 16.49 B (91%) on No | closed 1 week 2 days ago ... ( ) [16:06]
mircea_popescu i blame cascading failure in teh bitcoin stack. [16:06]
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ben_vulpes wait how is phyctor going to be +ev? [16:18]
ben_vulpes and what is 'cdb' mircea_popescu ? [16:19]
mircea_popescu cost of doing business [16:19]
ben_vulpes !up Anduck [16:19]
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Anduck thank you very much [16:19]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: snsa is supposed to drag phuctor as a sled behind it [16:19]
mircea_popescu i dunno, originally it was a pretty good marketing tool. [16:20]
asciilifeform initially, mircea_popescu propelled the sled [16:20]
asciilifeform then - the shareholders [16:20]
mircea_popescu but then got bogged down. [16:20]
asciilifeform but i say that until the engine is ready, i will pull sled with own back. [16:20]
Anduck fwiw, i tried to pm with trinque but he kept ignoring me from the beginning. my script accidentally used his site too frequently and now he's doing this, annoying me occasionally with sudden "fuck you anduck" hilights etc [16:20]
mircea_popescu !down Anduck [16:21]
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mircea_popescu seriously, guy's a retard, that's all there is to it. [16:21]
asciilifeform !s gettrust Anduck [16:21]
assbot 12 results for 'gettrust Anduck' : [16:21]
asciilifeform !gettrust Anduck [16:21]
assbot Trust relationship from user asciilifeform to user Anduck: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -6 via 10 connections. | | [16:21]
asciilifeform there we go. [16:21]
deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00083074 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $900 before Sep 2016 - [16:23]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: dulap is not only platform for phuctor, but will host 'g', gossip, etc., and is presently the largest and most reliable trb battleship. and i will pay for it personally, because wtf. [16:27]
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thestringpuller !s zulag [16:38]
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ben_vulpes !s zoolag [16:38]
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thestringpuller thx ben_vulpes [16:40]
asciilifeform zoolag is a different machine ! [16:42]
asciilifeform it lives at my house. [16:43]
asciilifeform not related to dulap except in the fact that both are trb nodes. [16:43]
asciilifeform (and both are gardened by yours truly) [16:43]
thestringpuller !s phuctor status [16:44]
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thestringpuller :( [16:44]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes yes [16:48]
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deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 7.50000000 BTC on 'No' - Bernie Sanders will be Democrats' 2016 Presidential Nominee - [17:07]
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kakobrekla << "The simple, rapid and flexible one-click deploy of Ethereum blockchain architecture launched on the Microsoft Azure Marketplace enables enterprises and developers to quickly deploy a certified blockchain environment on Azure." [17:18]
assbot Microsoft Certifies Ethereum Offering in Blockchain Service First - CoinDesk ... ( ) [17:18]
kakobrekla eth goes up another 20 purrcent [17:19]
mircea_popescu shall be a fun year. [17:19]
deedbot- [Trilema] MPEx (S.MPOE) February 2016 Statement - [17:23]
asciilifeform in unrelated-to-anything nyooz, if anyone wants a patched (removed idiot pci whitelist) heathen bios for x60, email me. [17:24]
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asciilifeform << many lulz [18:17]
assbot Issue 6648002: Make DBUS an optional dependency so Chromium can be built without it.... - [18:17]
asciilifeform 'oh noez, without dbus, how will wwwtron ask your wifi card to snitch your gps coords' [18:18]
asciilifeform << rogue's gallery of crud. [18:22]
assbot Is dbus really needed? | The FreeBSD Forums ... ( ) [18:22]
deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 5.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - [18:23]
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mircea_popescu that trump thing's on fire [18:40]
kakobrekla too bad we dont get elections more often [18:41]
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mircea_popescu lol [18:42]
mircea_popescu and in other usda news, [18:43]
assbot ... ( ) [18:43]
asciilifeform << snore, clitler is inevitable [18:51]
assbot Logged on 01-03-2016 21:39:15; mircea_popescu: that trump thing's on fire [18:51]
mircea_popescu i dunno, she has such a perfect loser face. [18:56]
asciilifeform 'fata de impins vagoane' ! [18:58]
mircea_popescu lol [18:58]
mircea_popescu not really, she's rather lizard faced, neh ? [18:59]
* asciilifeform not master of faces. [19:00]
asciilifeform but yeah. [19:00]
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mats it slides [19:30]
mircea_popescu heh look at that, mpex was almost 60k again [19:33]
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jurov soo, the mirror is here. of course nothing is so simple, i ran into wget trying to follow urls in .txt (!) files and even trying to fix them(!!!) [19:39]
assbot ... ( ) [19:39]
mircea_popescu lmao [19:40]
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mircea_popescu jurov very good thing tho, deedbot mirror. [19:44]
mircea_popescu does it contain enough info to verify the deeds ? [19:44]
jurov only if contains [19:45]
trinque the FAQ page specifies how to verify them if one has a deed bundle [19:47]
mircea_popescu aite just make sure some silly tidbit doesn't get lost and we find ourselves stranded [19:48]
mircea_popescu maybe try and verify one on the basis of the mirrored data only to be sure ? [19:48]
trinque yeah, just a matter of taking the deed bundle txt, performing sha256 and using that as the privkey, generating a pubkey and address from that [19:49]
trinque it would be good for me to post an example verifier on the site [19:49]
trinque adlai has done so himself, I know [19:49]
mircea_popescu well... the deed seals keep getting spent, so someone must be [19:49]
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shinohai [20:05]
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mircea_popescu sooo... it pains me to say that bitbet was just on the receiving end of a concerted miner withholding attack. [20:11]
mircea_popescu specifically : a set of a dozen or so txn that were trying to pay out winners of a bet went out, only to be "ignored" by the network. they all spent the same inputs. this went on for about a week. [20:12]
mircea_popescu once a transaction that DIDN'T spend the same inputs was announced and confirmed, the OLD transactions were somehow found, and are now broadcast. [20:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 160428 @ 0.00056684 = 90.937 BTC [-] {5} [20:13]
mircea_popescu this adds an entire layer of breakage to the already broken bitcoin infrastructure. specifically - due to chinese miner collusion (and yes they do control over 50% of the network) it is impossible to guarantee payment at ANY point in the future. [20:13]
mircea_popescu because they can sit on a transaction more or less forever. [20:13]
mircea_popescu the damage in this case is ~17 BTC, which whatever - cdb. [20:13]
mircea_popescu HOWEVER - bitbet will NOT ever make 2nd transactions for any reason and in any case. [20:13]
mircea_popescu this means that if you are waiting on a payment - you got to talk to a miner. bitbet will not further consider any complaints of this nature. [20:14]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla ^ [20:14]
kakobrekla this is a problem. [20:17]
mircea_popescu the problem is broadly speaking that bitcoin is not actually fit for commerce, and that fixing it necessarily requires changing the pow to exclude f2pool/antpool/etc. [20:18]
kakobrekla afaik would not happen if you would select same inputs to be used for second tx or alternatively rebroadcast the first one [20:18]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla this is what i was doing for a fucking week. [20:18]
mircea_popescu however - since bitbet publishes the payout addresses, it's trivial for them to know what to sit on. [20:18]
kakobrekla the currently unconfirmed tx has 0 fee ? [20:18]
mircea_popescu one of the many. understand that there was a set of these. [20:19]
kakobrekla and the 29 blocks confirmed one has 0.00022 [20:19]
mircea_popescu the one you see now was broadcast originally saturday. [20:19]
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kakobrekla one of txes with erroneous 0 fee also got lost after a 2 or 3 days a couple of days ago [20:21]
punkman gotta try to spend/move the old inputs to be sure old transaction doesn't suddenly reappear [20:21]
kakobrekla ^^ [20:21]
mircea_popescu punkman except spending goes through the same process generally. [20:21]
mircea_popescu if spending worked, the problem wouldn't exist in the first place. [20:22]
mircea_popescu but spending doesn't, actually, work. [20:22]
punkman myeah, but gotta wait until you succeed before sending 2nd payment [20:22]
mircea_popescu but the whole KEY of the thing is that this "wait until you succeed" ~= infinity. [20:23]
kakobrekla the problem isnt bitbet being targeted. the problem is 0 fee and the fact you can know if uncofirmed tx is out of EVERYONES mempool. [20:23]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla understand : just because they picked one particular txn out of a set of txn they withheld should NOT be an argument they may bring. [20:23]
kakobrekla anyway, tx is unconfirmed at this time with 0 fee, it will take a while to get included in a block if it even will be. you can try to doublespend those inputs to a different address and save the btc. [20:25]
mircea_popescu and the one doublespending it with a fee is... not visible. right ? [20:25]
mircea_popescu win. [20:25]
mircea_popescu i'm sorry. i mean... sorry for your win. [20:26]
mircea_popescu or... wait, how did it go ? [20:26]
kakobrekla txid ? [20:26]
mircea_popescu b28245044ac784766b58dcef00750608400c43bd63dce0f8c41491bd9405ad3a [20:27]
mircea_popescu for instance. [20:27]
kakobrekla that is the doublespend of de9bc173174f5ae97e7fe0d2e171647cade189c76f9cbe48f37494c973aca2e4 ? [20:27]
mircea_popescu well, i'm going to make more, and try to mine them and etc, but yes. [20:28]
mircea_popescu anyway. miners must be broken, burned and the land fucking salted. [20:29]
mircea_popescu worst enemy of the coin. [20:29]
kakobrekla its possible you are connected to a node pocket - trb do not like non-trb nodeas (ban hammer) so they are only left connected (mostly) to trb, not prb which you need if you want the world to see your txes [20:29]
mircea_popescu all sorts of things are possible. [20:29]
mircea_popescu apparently. [20:29]
deedbot- [serialized delusions] Wget malignant featuritis - [20:30]
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kakobrekla jurov ends with 'Also, I should' ? [20:31]
jurov fixed that [20:32]
kakobrekla kk [20:32]
jurov oh somebody reads my blog? [20:32]
mircea_popescu eh get out of here, many people read your blog. [20:32]
punkman wget alternative [20:32]
assbot GitHub - chfoo/wpull: Wget-compatible web downloader and crawler. ... ( ) [20:32]
kakobrekla anyway, given the current state of txes there is a good chance that evil 0 fee tx will get forgotten again [20:33]
kakobrekla 'forgotten'. [20:33]
kakobrekla gotta move the coins. [20:33]
punkman once you broadcast you can never assume it's forgotten [20:33]
mircea_popescu i personally think the only reason it's not mined yet is that there hasn't been a block. [20:33]
kakobrekla punkman hence added quotes [20:33]
kakobrekla 2 blocks in past 9 minutes [20:34]
mircea_popescu doesn't need to be in the next one. understand how miner collusion works. [20:34]
mircea_popescu as long as the competitor isn't mined, what's the hurry ? [20:34]
kakobrekla anyway, 'some party' cant order ALL the miners 'not to include' your tx really. [20:35]
mircea_popescu 400736 was empty, for instance. [20:35]
mircea_popescu no, not ALL. just enough of an all. [20:35]
kakobrekla and we ha ve 737 [20:35]
deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Donald Trump will win the 2016 United States Presidential Election - [20:36]
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kakobrekla can you share the tx hex of b28245044ac784766b58dcef00750608400c43bd63dce0f8c41491bd9405ad3a ? [20:43]
mircea_popescu aaaaand it confirmed [20:47]
mircea_popescu how about that kakobrekla ! not bad for a 0 fee tx "in this climate" eh ? [20:47]
kakobrekla is not bad no, i guess the size and age did it just. [20:47]
mircea_popescu oh oh [20:47]
mircea_popescu not saturday, right ? and not the one before it, when the bet closed [20:48]
mircea_popescu just now, an hour after the other one, all it needs is a block. [20:48]
mircea_popescu i'm so ever impressed. [20:48]
mircea_popescu for the record, there are about 50k txn with a higher per-byte offering, and all of those have been in the mempool for ehhh i dunno, a week more than half hour ? [20:49]
kakobrekla i could easily get past fee paying txes with large and old inputs without fee months ago. i reckon this still stands. [20:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47608 @ 0.00056821 = 27.0513 BTC [+] [20:50]
mircea_popescu dude what nonsense is this. [20:51]
mircea_popescu so a tx is broadcast, saturday. it doesn't even register. [20:51]
mircea_popescu then it just so happens that tuesday night it's good enough ? [20:51]
kakobrekla you get higher priority when unconfirmed time rises, yes. [20:52]
mircea_popescu this is the smoking gun re miner collusion to scam bitbet. the loing and the short of it. [20:52]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla IT HAD NO UNCONFIRMED TIME [20:52]
deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 15.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - [20:52]
mircea_popescu it was a 20 minute old txn at the time it was included in a block. [20:52]
kakobrekla you cant just delete tx from EVERYONES mempool [20:53]
mircea_popescu heh. [20:53]
mircea_popescu but you can. [20:53]
mircea_popescu someone just did. [20:53]
mircea_popescu "Received 17 minutes ago Confirmations 3/6 " [20:53]
mircea_popescu how do you like that! [20:53]
kakobrekla for all we know KnCMiner or whoever mined it, had it in his mempool all this time. [20:54]
mircea_popescu they're witholding blocks (what, you think the blocks you see are the blocks at they're mined ?!), they're withholding txn now, etc. [20:54]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla yeah, had it in sidepool for 4 days, waiting to see if i repay it without doublespent. which i did. today. 2 hours ago. [20:55]
kakobrekla actually no need to rebroadcast in that case, you can just include in block - would not see it as uncofirmed at all. [20:55]
kakobrekla so somebody else had it as well. [20:56]
mircea_popescu understand : at the time you saw it as "broadcast" it was ALREADY included in a block [20:56]
mircea_popescu that was at the time withheld. [20:56]
ben_vulpes waiwut how does it make economic sense to not release blocks? [20:56]
mircea_popescu because miner colusion, again. [20:56]
kakobrekla it could be malicious act by someone who won that bet. saw a 0 conf tx and tried to take advantage of this what just happened. [20:57]
mircea_popescu you don't see nasdaq data straight, but with half hour delay [20:57]
mircea_popescu why do you expect you see block data ? chinese miners have their own pre-time network. [20:57]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla only miners in control of well over 90% of hash can attempt this sort of inept shit. [20:57]
kakobrekla anyone could have done it as long as it fools you that it has been 'forgotten'. [20:58]
mircea_popescu in fact - once you have 51% you can withhold blocks forever with impunity - time works in your favour. [20:58]
kakobrekla and needs resigning. [20:58]
mircea_popescu the only anyone who can destroy a txn is the anyone who controls the mining. [20:58]
kakobrekla flood of txes + 0 fee tx brings about good chance of falling out block readers [20:59]
mircea_popescu i can't comprehend what you're trying to argue here. you're roughly in the position of a prison warden facing an empty cell and a hole in the wall going "hey, water infiltration can sometimes make holes in walls" [21:00]
mircea_popescu yeah, i'm sure they can. [21:00]
kakobrekla its not impossible you will make a tx from some inputs, which will be 'forgotten' and say fuck you [i only a slight problem so far as long as the tx hex is published and can be rebroadcast] and then later on use those same inputs for another tx [i have a larger problem with that] [21:03]
kakobrekla because you leave it the bitcoind to select the inputs. [21:04]
mircea_popescu say wut ? [21:04]
mircea_popescu look, let's try and get on the same page here. so saturday (sunday by bitbet time) the 20th (21st) this bet was resolved and paid out. the transaction doing this used some inputs to pay out the winners. let's call it tx A1. [21:05]
assbot BitBet - Jeb Bush will be Republicans' 2016 Presidential Nominee :: 1.63 B (9%) on Yes, 16.49 B (91%) on No | closed 1 week 2 days ago ... ( ) [21:05]
mircea_popescu later throughout the weekend, tx A1 was not visible in the bitcoin network, in spite of being broadcast to 100s of peers. [21:06]
mircea_popescu as a result, tx A2 was created, monday, spending the same inputs, paying a fee, and was broadcast. [21:06]
mircea_popescu throughout the following 48 hours, neither A1 or A2 were visible on the network. [21:07]
mircea_popescu a flurry of other txn, all spending the same inputs and paying ever more in fee were broadcast up until, most recently, march 1st (~16 hours ago). [21:07]
kakobrekla you pay out bet A with inputs Ia and sufficient fee. tx gets 'lost', not confirmed. people bitch. you post the tx hex so people them selfs can re-broadcast it. however for as long as that tx is not included in the block you can not spend those same Ia inputs. [21:08]
mircea_popescu about three hours ago, tx B, with the same outputs as An, but with different inputs was broadcast. this tx was visible in the mempool throujghout the network as normal, and was included in a block in half an hour. [21:08]
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mircea_popescu about half an hour AFTER that inclusion, transaction A1 was REBROADCAST, and within 20 minutes of its rebroadcasting, in spite of no fee, low miner priority etc, was included in a block. [21:08]
mircea_popescu this is, unless you're insane, sufficient proof that [21:09]
mircea_popescu a) a majority of miners (ie, pool operators) on the bitcoin network conspire together to selectively deny valid transactions [21:09]
mircea_popescu b) the same majority of miners is running a withdheld block scheme, where they keep about a half hour time differential between the ACTUAL head of the bitcoin chain and what they published. [21:09]
mircea_popescu both of these are serious concerns, and both of these are, strictu sensu, sufficient to prove, not to propose, that bitcoin is not actually functional. [21:10]
mircea_popescu moroever, both of these are factual matters, on the basis of observed behaviour. [21:10]
mircea_popescu that's about it. [21:10]
kakobrekla thats one explanation however taking in account my own experiences with it - i am by your definition insane. [21:11]
kakobrekla anyway, for as long as the original tx is not included you must be careful not to spend those inputs in another tx. even if that means forever. [21:11]
mircea_popescu look, i know oodles of people have observed what to them seems "just normal wierdness" [21:11]
asciilifeform << axe time sword time!!111 [21:12]
assbot Logged on 01-03-2016 23:16:38; mircea_popescu: the problem is broadly speaking that bitcoin is not actually fit for commerce, and that fixing it necessarily requires changing the pow to exclude f2pool/antpool/etc. [21:12]
mircea_popescu this is fine and good. however - i nicely structured this specifically to satisfy my own inquisitive mind. i am satisfied. [21:12]
kakobrekla i guess its time to add 'raw hex tx' data for re-broadcasting to bitbet resolved bets [21:13]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform pretty much. i don't see what else is there. this is the fabled hour of reckoning, best i can tell [21:13]
mircea_popescu as per [21:13]
assbot The Hour Of Reckoning on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [21:13]
asciilifeform << i have hated them since t=0 [21:13]
assbot Logged on 01-03-2016 23:27:41; mircea_popescu: anyway. miners must be broken, burned and the land fucking salted. [21:13]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla im still thinking what the best solution to this would be, but as far as bitbet is concerned quite likely something like that. [21:14]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla not that it'd actually do anything, just adds a gauge. [21:14]
asciilifeform miningisabug (tm) (r) [21:15]
mircea_popescu whatever mining may be, it's not jsut the codebase that's broken. bitcoin, per se, is not currently functional. [21:16]
asciilifeform wake me up when it's time for the keccak knife. [21:16]
adlai deedbot-: [21:19]
assbot ... ( ) [21:19]
deedbot- accepted: 1 [21:19]
mircea_popescu anyway. at present the best short-term course is, of course, publicizing the matter. [21:20]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what do the miners win from this behaviour ? [21:20]
asciilifeform usg payola? [21:20]
mircea_popescu i suppose we're at the chinese phase of exchanging insults. [21:20]
mircea_popescu nah, usg doesn't figure into this as much as a prince albert. [21:20]
asciilifeform i mean, if declaring war of the worlds, would be good to know why. [21:22]
asciilifeform if even knowable. [21:22]
mircea_popescu why what ? why b) ? because it's way the fuck safer for them if any would-be competing cartel starts with a half hour disadvantage. [21:22]
mircea_popescu or why a) ? possibily because getting cocky about it. [21:22]
asciilifeform aaaah [21:22]
asciilifeform i think i get. [21:22]
mircea_popescu typical behaviour of spider unaware that what it's trying to catch is a wasp. that eats spiders. [21:24]
* asciilifeform bbl, is actually in one of the very few restaurants run by actual chinese here, and dinner is served [21:27]
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deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 4.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Donald Trump will win the 2016 United States Presidential Election - [21:32]
adlai ;;later tell asciilifeform << but it was pmspam, who knows where he found me [21:32]
gribble The operation succeeded. [21:32]
assbot Logged on 29-02-2016 23:31:57; asciilifeform: (adlai ?) [21:32]
assbot Logged on 11-10-2014 14:12:44; Adlai: kakobrekla (~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla): o hey lisp and bitcoins. you might wanna check out #bitcoin-assets [21:32]
shinohai ;;blocks [21:34]
gribble 400745 [21:34]
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trinque jurov: adlai: deedbot- node chewed his wallet.dat into pieces again, re-importing key. on my list of tasks for this week is to look into using shiva interfaces for this. [21:44]
trinque your deeds will go out soon as he's able [21:44]
trinque actually it looks like jurov's already has [21:45]
* trinque brb [21:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21990 @ 0.00056937 = 12.5204 BTC [+] {2} [21:52]
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jurov mircea_popescu: does not recognize my sig and threw error 500 [22:12]
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mircea_popescu jurov heh. moment. [22:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00056821 = 8.6368 BTC [-] {2} [22:20]
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asciilifeform sooooo i discovered that emacs can be de-dbus-ed on gentoo by zapping gtk3 [22:38]
asciilifeform (package.mask) [22:38]
asciilifeform this appears to cure all poetteringism in one stroke of the knife. [22:38]
asciilifeform supposing that anyone gives a fuck. [22:39]
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BingoBoingo wake me up when it's time for the keccak knife. << Is there a possibru lAb project here? [22:50]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: understand, i do not need moar projects for anything. [22:50]
asciilifeform but when it is time for the knife - it will be time for the knife. [22:50]
asciilifeform (unless mircea_popescu wants to do it himself, which in his place i probably would) [22:50]
BingoBoingo Of course not, but mebbe keccak miner can be pet project for pet to play with? Every cat needs string, or in their absence lasers. [22:51]
asciilifeform pet does other things. [22:52]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo im writing a qntra piece re the thing, gimme an hour. [22:52]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Cool, ty [22:53]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Pretty much the definition of pet is gets to do what it wants, but many pets take suggestions. [22:53]
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BingoBoingo !rate uchi -1 copyrigh wankery [23:08]
assbot uchi is not registered in WoT. [23:08]
BingoBoingo ;;rate uchi -1 US copyrasta wankery [23:08]
gribble Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system. [23:08]
BingoBoingo ;;rate uchi -1 US copyrasta wankery [23:11]
gribble Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings. [23:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00056927 = 5.1234 BTC [+] [23:16]
mircea_popescu lol wut ? [23:17]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Apparently the dude sold the site to another dude and retroactively converted the sale into a lease by claiming US copyright law. [23:19]
BingoBoingo [23:19]
assbot devthedev trying to scam ??? ... ( ) [23:19]
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mircea_popescu heh k [23:20]
BingoBoingo The scammed dude asked me how to present his dilemma in a way that makes sense that this was the distillation I found most obvious [23:22]
BingoBoingo Of course the solution in the long run is to stop trying to do the kind of deals which make this wankery a possibility [23:22]
BingoBoingo The WoT, many thought they could find an easier, softer way... [23:23]
mod6 Good evening Gentlemen. [23:23]
BingoBoingo Man gentle to you too mod6 [23:24]
mod6 how's it goin BB? [23:24]
BingoBoingo Been better, been worse [23:25]
* assbot gives voice to devthedev [23:26]
mod6 werd. [23:26]
* mod6 reads scrollback [23:26]
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BingoBoingo ;;later tell jurov [23:36]
gribble The operation succeeded. [23:36]
assbot Qntra (S.QNTR) February 2016 Report | Qntra ... ( ) [23:36]
asciilifeform << not news, but continuation of earlier. [23:39]
assbot Gentoo Forums :: View topic - Can I stay with GTK+2? ... ( ) [23:39]
BingoBoingo jurov: Ok, will improve now [23:39]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo [23:42]
assbot ... ( ) [23:42]
BingoBoingo ty [23:42]
asciilifeform << another must-die. [23:43]
assbot Pambase is not that free | Flameeyes's Weblog ... ( ) [23:43]
asciilifeform 'a good part of GNOME can now be considered part of the system set. You have to understand that even if it might not be in your system set, or in the default system set for what matters, the packages have to be carefully considered to not break if they are part of the possible system set...' [23:44]
BingoBoingo deedbot-: [23:44]
deedbot- Bad URL or network outage. [23:44]
assbot dpaste: 2WXFPFC ... ( ) [23:44]
BingoBoingo deedbot-: [23:44]
deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 3.94693692 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $900 before Sep 2016 - [23:44]
assbot ... ( ) [23:44]
deedbot- accepted: 1 [23:44]
BingoBoingo jurov: Blog version also updated [23:44]
jurov (like) [23:45]
mats [23:53]
assbot GitHub - fulldecent/system-bus-radio: This program transmits radio on computers without radio transmitting hardware. ... ( ) [23:53]
asciilifeform mats: ancient news [23:53]
mats yes [23:53]
ben_vulpes << very much i do [23:54]
assbot Logged on 02-03-2016 01:38:12; asciilifeform: supposing that anyone gives a fuck. [23:54]
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asciilifeform mats: the crapple aspect is interesting though. the laptop monoculture means that folks can finally be relied upon to have the 'standard' antenna. [23:56]
asciilifeform i.e. particular length of the bus, and clock. [23:56]
asciilifeform whereas when i was doing it as a boy it worked on one 486 box but not another, mostly-identical one. [23:56]
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