Forum logs for 01 Mar 2016

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21638 @ 0.00057628 = 12.4695 BTC [-]	[00:09]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00058594 = 6.7969 BTC [+] {3}	[00:17]
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ben_vulpes	the only line i have for coworkers and plebs on this topic is "you haven't thought for half a second why the /nsa/ didn't bring this suit?"	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	on which side ?	[00:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00059143 = 11.7103 BTC [+]	[00:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64950 @ 0.00057612 = 37.419 BTC [-] {3}	[00:31]
ben_vulpes	the fbi's side - why would they argue apple's side?	[00:32]
ben_vulpes	but really it's ambiguous for a reason	[00:32]
ben_vulpes	got someone bought in on the "drop on first packet or gtfo" mentality, but still have to conquer the "well first you have to transfer the IP buffered packets into user space" mindset	[00:33]
ben_vulpes	"because lol what we're going to fab our own chips?"	[00:33]
ben_vulpes	mwell now that you ask...	[00:33]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: what's your cad poison of choice?	[00:34]
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mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes> got someone bought in on the "drop on first packet or gtfo" mentality, but still have to conquer the "well first you have to transfer the IP buffered packets into user space" mindset <<< can you say this in other words ?	[00:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60500 @ 0.00059143 = 35.7815 BTC [+]	[00:42]
ben_vulpes	"yeah man! big challenge though is to get it to operate at line speed."	[00:43]
ben_vulpes	"pff line speed. you still need to get the buffered packets from the kernel into userspace, and that's an abstraction you'll have a hard time getting around."	[00:43]
ben_vulpes	because the counterparty in this conversation is not thinking of gossipd as a device but a proggy that runs on a computer.	[00:44]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: i have a (unpublished, for good reasons) prototype that doesn't have 'kernel' or 'userland' at all, but just this bare metal thing that sets up the nic ring buffer (coreboot payload) and loops, checks rsa, retransmits on other nic...	[00:51]
asciilifeform	on ordinary (well, 'pcengines' pancake) computer.	[00:52]
asciilifeform	asm, it's good for you.	[00:53]
mats	that sounds fun	[00:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70150 @ 0.00059146 = 41.4909 BTC [+] {2}	[00:54]
asciilifeform	mats: the idea is, a kind of line-speed (GB ethernet) wall, where crud goes in, and valid in-wot gossipd out.	[00:54]
asciilifeform	if so much as 1 packet per billion is valid.	[00:55]
mats	did you actually write the routines in asm?	[00:58]
asciilifeform	aha.	[00:58]
asciilifeform	but doesn't work as well as i'd like, not line speed (uses dumb bignum)	[00:59]
asciilifeform	i will pick this back up again when there is reason to.	[00:59]
asciilifeform	the idea is very simple, anybody who really wants to can pick his favourite nic chipset and implement.	[01:03]
asciilifeform	not much in terms of moving parts, ought to handily fit in a nic boot rom.	[01:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80050 @ 0.00059441 = 47.5825 BTC [+] {7}	[01:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48600 @ 0.00058718 = 28.5369 BTC [-] {2}	[01:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26070 @ 0.00058718 = 15.3078 BTC [-] {2}	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	if so much as 1 packet per billion is valid. << this sounds like the ticket.	[01:21]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: that's what 'line speed' means.	[01:32]
asciilifeform	it means that the crud doesn't affect the valid payloads.	[01:33]
asciilifeform	in whatever way.	[01:33]
asciilifeform	(at least, not after it leaves isp)	[01:33]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[01:36]
mircea_popescu	i could see even dedicating a box to this.	[01:36]
mircea_popescu	make it a nice firewall.	[01:36]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: that's sorta how it is meant to work.	[01:36]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: prototyped on one of these, https://rhomberg.org/images/apu-oberseite.jpg	[01:37]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Seh15M )	[01:37]
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asciilifeform	^ these are prolly the only 100% open x86 box presently made	[01:39]
asciilifeform	(no-turd firmware, full schematics)	[01:39]
mircea_popescu	aha	[01:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15806 @ 0.00057979 = 9.1642 BTC [-]	[01:47]
punkman	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CcWIHP3UYAIO3uC.jpg:large	[01:49]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Sei9X6 )	[01:49]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15847 @ 0.00058068 = 9.202 BTC [+] {2}	[01:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81067 @ 0.00058044 = 47.0545 BTC [-]	[02:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51722 @ 0.00058227 = 30.1162 BTC [+] {2}	[02:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70655 @ 0.00058231 = 41.1431 BTC [+]	[02:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88741 @ 0.00058908 = 52.2755 BTC [+] {2}	[02:26]
ben_vulpes	jurov: highly nifty	[02:34]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: and the reason you picked tinyscheme over say ecl is...footprint? dreppers in ecl?	[02:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65926 @ 0.00059659 = 39.3308 BTC [+] {4}	[02:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8759 @ 0.00059563 = 5.2171 BTC [-]	[02:40]
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deedbot-	[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Waiting for Taleb. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/02/29/waiting-for-taleb/	[02:58]
punkman	http://40.media.tumblr.com/2ca58ec1f4c5e9433a1819e5768ba8cc/tumblr_nxlqxvLkvx1uyzll2o1_1280.jpg	[03:01]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1QoJn8J )	[03:01]
ben_vulpes	welp	[03:03]
ben_vulpes	flycheck just deleted the contents of an entire buffer	[03:03]
ben_vulpes	there's one for the dustbin.	[03:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31608 @ 0.00058461 = 18.4784 BTC [-]	[03:14]
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punkman	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFHJ41ktt3Q	[04:17]
assbot	Merle Haggard -- Are The Good Times Really Over - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/21yCNY1 )	[04:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67792 @ 0.00058432 = 39.6122 BTC [+] {2}	[04:21]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14321 @ 0.00059023 = 8.4527 BTC [+]	[04:23]
deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 30.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b127	[04:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43951 @ 0.000591 = 25.975 BTC [+]	[04:31]
ben_vulpes	HOOOOOOOOOO	[04:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6087 @ 0.00059023 = 3.5927 BTC [-]	[04:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90516 @ 0.0005816 = 52.6441 BTC [-] {4}	[04:45]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16356 @ 0.00057992 = 9.4852 BTC [-] {2}	[05:03]
ben_vulpes	phf: here's a stumper	[05:12]
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ben_vulpes	while last night the swank flags worked just handily, tonight, passing the swank flag to a booting bitcoind results in an error, "too short", from scheme.cpp	[05:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52330 @ 0.00057932 = 30.3158 BTC [-] {2}	[05:13]
ben_vulpes	running the /exact same/ bitcoind command runs something that i can telnet into and scream lisp at	[05:14]
ben_vulpes	wtf this was working yesterday	[05:19]
botneko-chan	Why all that panic about filled up backlog and slow transcations? Sent btc today with 0.0005 fee and it got 6 confirmations in 2h	[05:23]
ben_vulpes	there's no actual panic, botneko-chan. there are a zillion for-hire-for-pennies social media accounts supporting some nsa plants attempts to matter with kindergarten grade psyops.	[05:28]
ben_vulpes	phf, nevermind, i'm a classic core derp	[05:30]
botneko-chan	I support Core too	[05:32]
ben_vulpes	botneko-chan: what is Core?	[05:34]
botneko-chan	I mean main bitcoin dev team and so, not a forks like Classic or XT	[05:35]
ben_vulpes	what do the Core people think about increasing the block size?	[05:37]
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ben_vulpes	botneko-chan: ^^	[05:38]
botneko-chan	I'm actually not very interested in btc politics, but in my opinion if increase block size then miners would get less profit from tx processing when there would be no new btc mined. Mining would become non-rentable and hashpower will decrease after some time then making easier for someone to get 51% just by turning on ol ASIC that was turned off because of low profit. I'm okay with current blocks and higher fees, in my o	[05:42]
botneko-chan	not for cents, there is need to design overlay network for faster low-fee small payment processing instead of increasing block size	[05:42]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 134032 @ 0.00057928 = 77.6421 BTC [-] {2}	[05:44]
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ben_vulpes	not interested in btc politics botneko-chan ? just in it for the ddos?	[05:46]
botneko-chan	I'm using bitcoin and like it, but wasn't tracking fork-related discussions before someone payd for DDoS'ing Classic	[05:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74092 @ 0.00057858 = 42.8681 BTC [-]	[05:49]
ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395250 << asciilifeform what was the actual trigger for the blackhole? requesting a specific transaction?	[05:54]
assbot	Logged on 03-02-2016 16:52:56; ascii_butugychag: blackhole results when the worker thread (the one that handles nearly everything) is wedged	[05:54]
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ben_vulpes	i am also curious to hear about how long the bitcoind recompile is in your various workflows, asciilifeform, phf, mod6, punkman, jurov	[05:55]
ben_vulpes	!up cazalla	[05:55]
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ben_vulpes	hey boss	[05:55]
cazalla	thanks ben_vulpes, good evening :)	[05:55]
Naphex	morning	[05:56]
punkman	ben_vulpes: compiles pretty fast	[05:56]
ben_vulpes	punkman: like 10ms? 100ms? 1s?	[05:57]
ben_vulpes	cazalla: good to see you key in hand	[05:57]
ben_vulpes	heh	[05:57]
ben_vulpes	briefly considered 'cock in hand'	[05:57]
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cazalla	ben_vulpes, i wonder which i actually value more :P	[05:58]
ben_vulpes	hm actually i upped you so how would i know	[05:58]
cazalla	well, i just auth'd so no matter	[05:58]
ben_vulpes	yeah, i saw the second go through, but i don't think there's a guarantee that you did the second one.	[05:59]
ben_vulpes	can we down each other?	[05:59]
ben_vulpes	!down cazalla	[05:59]
punkman	ben_vulpes: a few seconds maybe	[05:59]
cazalla	!down ben_vulpes	[05:59]
cazalla	guess not	[05:59]
ben_vulpes	!up SuchWow	[05:59]
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ben_vulpes	!down SuchWow	[05:59]
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ben_vulpes	ah and assbot yelled at me too	[05:59]
ben_vulpes	well hi!	[05:59]
cazalla	likewise	[06:00]
ben_vulpes	!up SuchWow if you have complaints to render feel free to do so here	[06:00]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27950 @ 0.00058264 = 16.2848 BTC [+] {3}	[06:00]
SuchWow	Greetings investors	[06:00]
SuchWow	how goes it :)	[06:00]
ben_vulpes	i'll not talk to any 'staff-emeritus' in pm	[06:00]
cazalla	i remember you SuchWow	[06:00]
SuchWow	ben_vulpes: i have no complaints lol	[06:00]
SuchWow	whatever, it's literally true, it's just a tag, get over it lol	[06:00]
ben_vulpes	well i'm just having a conversation with an old friend i haven't seen in a few weeks, but thanks for getting involved!	[06:00]
SuchWow	hey now, you upped me lol :)	[06:01]
ben_vulpes	why so butthurt	[06:01]
SuchWow	about what?	[06:01]
cazalla	still have those dogecoin investments SuchWow ?	[06:01]
ben_vulpes	anyways, how's the second cooking, cazalla ?	[06:01]
SuchWow	cazalla: nah i stopped trading about 1.5 years ago, and have been working IT ever since, no time for trading	[06:01]
cazalla	ben_vulpes, good, missus looks bigger the second time around for some reason, prenatal appt with nurse today confirmed that as well	[06:01]
SuchWow	i still watch charts and chatter daily just to keep up with it for fun tho	[06:02]
ben_vulpes	how many weeks along?	[06:02]
ben_vulpes	b/g?	[06:02]
SuchWow	congrats	[06:02]
cazalla	girl, due early june, 5 months, not sure on weeks top of my head	[06:02]
cazalla	thanks SuchWow	[06:02]
ben_vulpes	that's two!	[06:02]
cazalla	ben_vulpes, how's your little one?	[06:02]
ben_vulpes	two dowries!	[06:02]
ben_vulpes	cazalla: rolled over the other day!	[06:03]
cazalla	fun times :)	[06:03]
ben_vulpes	there's only so much damage the little fuckling can do in 485 ft2	[06:03]
cazalla	i am looking forward to those things again, times seems to have gone so fast with the first, one moment he can barely roll and lift his head but now it's all walkin' and talkin'	[06:03]
ben_vulpes	your first was a male?	[06:04]
cazalla	yeah, a boy named Noah, he turned 2 January just gone	[06:04]
ben_vulpes	pardon, i misremembered.	[06:05]
cazalla	all good, kids galore here these days, easy to lose track	[06:05]
ben_vulpes	starting to give a shit about his dad yet?	[06:05]
cazalla	i get more cuddles and kisses, but he only turns the tears on if mum leaves, not when dad goes out, doesn't seem to care as much	[06:05]
ben_vulpes	MORE FROWNING	[06:06]
ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351555 << four months in, beginning to reheheheally feel this	[06:06]
assbot	Logged on 24-12-2015 08:11:50; *: mircea_popescu is reasonably impressed. had ben_vulpes pegged for "this guy's managed to put himself in a texbook model of a place where guys crack".	[06:06]
cazalla	it's as hard as it is enjoyable	[06:07]
SuchWow	Just out of curiosity, what do you guys think about ethereum, meaning this chan in general	[06:07]
SuchWow	i'm not super well versed, but it's come up enough to make me go hmm, plus those charts are cray cray lol	[06:08]
punkman	SuchWow: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-01-2016#1381117	[06:08]
assbot	Logged on 22-01-2016 16:20:52; punkman: terminal: just salty that we didn't buy mp's cheap eth	[06:08]
cazalla	SuchWow, i don't really follow altcoins, so many of them, so many failures, bitcoin remains #1 despite all the 2.0 shit that has been promised to topple it all these years	[06:08]
punkman	;;calc 0.01507 * 2000	[06:08]
gribble	30.14	[06:08]
SuchWow	punkman: haha	[06:08]
punkman	1 bitcoin of ETH at first sale is worth 30 now	[06:08]
SuchWow	cazalla: that's reasonable. i don't really either, it's just that it's been hard to NOT hear about that one over the last year	[06:09]
SuchWow	yeah pre-sale woulda been nice, but i don't blame myself one bit for not buying the hype	[06:09]
cazalla	SuchWow, even if it was the second coming, idgaf as it will inflate forever	[06:09]
SuchWow	wasn't there some thing where the algo was gonna force POW to stop and switch to POS even tho no POS algo had been invented yet	[06:10]
SuchWow	did they ever fix that i wonder	[06:10]
ben_vulpes	i wonder how the conversation drifted from parenting to shillcoins	[06:10]
cazalla	not sure, from what i know it will change to pos at some point and then inflate the supply forever	[06:10]
ben_vulpes	must be that dogecoin guy again	[06:10]
cazalla	well, back to parent, ben_vulpes did you end up going ahead with co-sleeping?	[06:10]
ben_vulpes	mhm!	[06:10]
cazalla	how is that going?	[06:11]
ben_vulpes	putting the pressure on to get him into his bassinet more regularly	[06:11]
ben_vulpes	well he sleeps through the night, let's start there	[06:11]
ben_vulpes	stirs a mite, gets fed, goes back to sleep.	[06:11]
SuchWow	ben_vulpes: i just asked a question, why so butthurt	[06:11]
cazalla	from 3 months, my boy slept 7pm-7am like clockwork, but when teething began so did around 6 months of shitty sleeping	[06:12]
SuchWow	anyhow, i'll leave you guys to it, be well!	[06:12]
punkman	;;calc 15000 * 0.01507	[06:12]
gribble	226.05	[06:12]
SuchWow	i enjoy our twice a year talks lol	[06:12]
ben_vulpes	some real horrific tiny house gypsy shit: 2 adults, 1 infant and 80lbs of ferocious lovedog in a queen bed	[06:12]
cazalla	lol seeya SuchWow	[06:12]
punkman	anton_osika's 3 btc would be 226 now http://pastebin.com/NbPrZS9A	[06:12]
assbot	-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Future Delivery Contract Fo - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1QiQ39M )	[06:12]
cazalla	well, he can always sign and collect it punkman	[06:13]
punkman	probably a bit late for that	[06:15]
ben_vulpes	probably more crowded than anything mircea_popescu engages in willingly, and i don't even like it.	[06:17]
punkman	rental?	[06:18]
ben_vulpes	ofc	[06:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58500 @ 0.000577 = 33.7545 BTC [-] {4}	[06:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86709 @ 0.00057553 = 49.9036 BTC [-] {5}	[06:24]
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punkman	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ccbgb0CXIAEbwoL.jpg:large	[06:39]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1VOdGcL )	[06:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64668 @ 0.0005744 = 37.1453 BTC [-] {2}	[06:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10688 @ 0.00057378 = 6.1326 BTC [-]	[06:58]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16190 @ 0.00058216 = 9.4252 BTC [+]	[07:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36176 @ 0.00058261 = 21.0765 BTC [+] {2}	[07:34]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53100 @ 0.00058488 = 31.0571 BTC [+] {4}	[07:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00058516 = 1.7555 BTC [+]	[08:09]
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jurov	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1418803 sadly, i don't really have any trb workflow. except that i sit down on it for few days once few months	[08:41]
assbot	Logged on 01-03-2016 08:54:01; ben_vulpes: i am also curious to hear about how long the bitcoind recompile is in your various workflows, asciilifeform, phf, mod6, punkman, jurov	[08:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68450 @ 0.00057521 = 39.3731 BTC [-] {6}	[08:43]
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shinohai	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1418918 <<< if I may interject, I have yet to have a trb recompile take longer than an hour even if I bork something up.	[10:07]
assbot	Logged on 01-03-2016 11:39:56; assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 08:54:01; ben_vulpes: i am also curious to hear about how long the bitcoind recompile is in your various workflows, asciilifeform, phf, mod6, punkman, jurov	[10:07]
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mircea_popescu	aghagaga punkman what the everloving fuck is that. companion cheesecake for "the graduate" ?	[10:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42270 @ 0.00059178 = 25.0145 BTC [+] {2}	[10:39]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1418767 << did it have any flies in it ?	[10:43]
assbot	Logged on 01-03-2016 06:02:07; ben_vulpes: flycheck just deleted the contents of an entire buffer	[10:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22544 @ 0.00059398 = 13.3907 BTC [+] {3}	[10:43]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1418795 << this has been discussed at length in the logs. yes, it's pretty dumb.	[10:45]
assbot	Logged on 01-03-2016 08:40:28; botneko-chan: I'm actually not very interested in btc politics, but in my opinion if increase block size then miners would get less profit from tx processing when there would be no new btc mined. Mining would become non-rentable and hashpower will decrease after some time then making easier for someone to get 51% just by turning on ol ASIC that was turned off because of low profit. I'm okay with curr	[10:45]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1418803 << about 18-20 minutes.	[10:46]
assbot	Logged on 01-03-2016 08:54:01; ben_vulpes: i am also curious to hear about how long the bitcoind recompile is in your various workflows, asciilifeform, phf, mod6, punkman, jurov	[10:46]
mircea_popescu	lol staff emeritus. how's the scam these days SuchWow	[10:48]
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mircea_popescu	"noisehole, bullshitter, blowhard, drunkard, sadist, rapist, all-around disgrace to the sad sad State of Bitcoin (and a passive-aggressive plagiarist, too, to top a cherry on the shit-pan-kake!)" da fuck did you do adlai !	[10:50]
mircea_popescu	!up SuchWow	[10:52]
-assbot-	You voiced SuchWow for 30 minutes.	[10:52]
*	assbot gives voice to SuchWow	[10:52]
mircea_popescu	!gettrust assbot SuchWow	[10:52]
assbot	SuchWow is not registered in WoT.	[10:52]
mircea_popescu	o.O	[10:52]
mircea_popescu	get in the wot, wut!	[10:52]
SuchWow	sorry, i have split screen serverside msgs	[10:52]
SuchWow	so didn't realize my response wasn't going through lol. i	[10:52]
SuchWow	[08:48:40] mircea_popescu: you guys are so pompous lol...i haven't been involved in crypto, trading or otherwise, for almost 2 year. Doge seems to fine, still has a small community (moreso than litecoin anyways), and i've been watching crypto in general just for fun. Eth seems interesting, but still not convinced.	[10:53]
SuchWow	[08:49:05] <+mircea_popescu> "noisehole, bullshitter, blowhard, drunkard, sadist, rapist, all-around disgrace to the sad sad State of Bitcoin (and a passive-aggressive plagiarist, too, to top a cherry on the shit-pan-kake!)" da fuck did you do adlai !	[10:53]
SuchWow	[08:49:05] mircea_popescu: how is bitcoin and all of your various endeavours whatever they may be?	[10:53]
SuchWow	[08:49:16] (i won't pretend to act like i know you because, i don't)	[10:53]
SuchWow	[08:49:46] (just as you literally don't know me, at all lol)	[10:53]
mircea_popescu	...	[10:53]
SuchWow	didn't want to retype a paraphrase, sry	[10:53]
SuchWow	because of client, didn't realize wasn't sending	[10:53]
mircea_popescu	ic!	[10:53]
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mircea_popescu	usually the meaning of emeritus, yes.	[10:54]
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mircea_popescu	and yeah, i agree, dogecoin, like litecoin, all went the way of the bell bottoms.	[10:54]
SuchWow	the emeritus tag is much less than you guys have been making of it lol	[10:54]
mircea_popescu	it's a cult hit now!	[10:54]
SuchWow	you all have literally paid 10x more attn to it than myself lol	[10:54]
mircea_popescu	SuchWow 'emeritus" just means retired, neh ?	[10:54]
SuchWow	a dogecoin op became freenode dev, freenode decided to give aff cloaks for dogecoin project	[10:55]
SuchWow	for my time and service in being founding op of that chan	[10:55]
mircea_popescu	bwahahaha	[10:55]
SuchWow	they asked if i wanted it	[10:55]
SuchWow	i said 'ok sure, neat'	[10:55]
SuchWow	lol	[10:55]
mircea_popescu	o brother. i've been trying to give servers and stuff to the freenode shitheads for YEARS	[10:55]
mircea_popescu	meanwhiole they're busy doging the dev.	[10:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83000 @ 0.00059433 = 49.3294 BTC [+] {2}	[10:56]
SuchWow	i certainly don't claim that there was any logic to the decision, but if you've seen #freenode lately, and ANNs, a lot has changed around here recently	[10:56]
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mircea_popescu	yeah, specifically http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=19-02-2016#1410187	[10:57]
assbot	Logged on 19-02-2016 15:24:53; mircea_popescu: * #freenode :Cannot send to channel	[10:57]
mircea_popescu	so much has changed it'll be an accomplishment if they last the year.	[10:57]
SuchWow	well, in their defense	[10:57]
SuchWow	they said that a lot of this is really just resurrection of 'the old ways'	[10:57]
SuchWow	and not actually new changes in that regard	[10:57]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[10:57]
SuchWow	yeah i found that interesting as well	[10:58]
mircea_popescu	so what are you doing these days ? wanna test my mmorpg ?	[10:58]
SuchWow	having only been here a few years	[10:58]
SuchWow	working IT repairs/custom installs/refreshes/etc	[10:58]
SuchWow	currently vacationing in vegas lol	[10:58]
SuchWow	but the poker scene here has died so much over the last 5 years	[10:58]
SuchWow	that it's day 3-4 and i'm litearlly in my hotel room chatting on irc because this place just ain't what it used to be lol	[10:59]
mircea_popescu	yeah, vegas is yet another sanded harbor in the history of civilisation.	[10:59]
SuchWow	it's now a hotel-centric business	[10:59]
mircea_popescu	kinda sad, for all who knew its past glory.	[10:59]
SuchWow	and casinos are the loss leader	[10:59]
SuchWow	it's so fuckin weird	[10:59]
SuchWow	cuz i used to come here all the time	[10:59]
SuchWow	<+mircea_popescu> kinda sad, for all who knew its past glory.	[10:59]
SuchWow	^^	[10:59]
mircea_popescu	course that kinda ended in the 80s, just been soft-ish landing ever since.	[11:00]
SuchWow	i started in early 00s	[11:00]
SuchWow	with the new Strip revamp	[11:00]
mircea_popescu	aha	[11:00]
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mircea_popescu	!up moli	[11:01]
-assbot-	You voiced moli for 30 minutes.	[11:01]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29200 @ 0.00059385 = 17.3404 BTC [-]	[11:01]
SuchWow	won a $3300 jackpot in 05, and had free room offers from Harrahs (caesars) for 2 years as a result	[11:01]
SuchWow	was living in Cali $50 plane tick, starte going just for fun	[11:01]
SuchWow	and never gave it back haha	[11:01]
mircea_popescu	back when the hotels were the loss leaders.	[11:01]
SuchWow	finally they cut me off and said fuck you back lol	[11:01]
SuchWow	yes exactly lol	[11:01]
mircea_popescu	lol	[11:01]
SuchWow	and back when they respected poker as well	[11:01]
SuchWow	that's the only thing i ever really did on my trips	[11:02]
SuchWow	poker + free drinks	[11:02]
mircea_popescu	well because it was the loss leader also. people went to lose money to champs just on the basis of hte brand	[11:02]
SuchWow	poker was always the loss leader, even during the boom	[11:02]
mircea_popescu	"oh i played with chow" "o yea ? how'd you do ?" "folded three hands!"	[11:02]
SuchWow	but now there is literally no tourist market for poker anymore	[11:02]
SuchWow	and half the rooms that have been jere decades	[11:02]
SuchWow	have closed or 50% in size/moved/etc	[11:02]
SuchWow	it's really sad for me to see that, but at the same time	[11:03]
SuchWow	vegas is still doing alright	[11:03]
SuchWow	it's just catering to a different ceowd	[11:03]
SuchWow	they also cleaned up all the hookers and homeless	[11:03]
mircea_popescu	yeah lol. government workers.	[11:03]
SuchWow	like literally, poof, gone	[11:03]
SuchWow	(for the most part)	[11:03]
SuchWow	it's becoming a destination resort town, with gambling offered as just one of several differnt options, no more special weighting	[11:04]
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mircea_popescu	no more tables, no more cocktail waitress cocksuckers off duty waiting for teh winners, no more vegas!	[11:04]
SuchWow	no, they're all there	[11:04]
SuchWow	that's the surreal part	[11:04]
SuchWow	it's all still there, people are doing it	[11:04]
SuchWow	but it's different people	[11:04]
SuchWow	and it's just no logner the focus	[11:05]
mircea_popescu	aha	[11:05]
SuchWow	the hotels would almost rather you not gamble as much as before	[11:05]
SuchWow	and instead spend $20/day on hotel wifi	[11:05]
SuchWow	and the recently increased across the board prices	[11:05]
SuchWow	on literally everything in the city	[11:05]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1418854 << the concept that you fit in there still boggles me.	[11:05]
assbot	Logged on 01-03-2016 09:02:12; ben_vulpes: there's only so much damage the little fuckling can do in 485 ft2	[11:05]
SuchWow	i am at a $30/night room at resort on Fremont	[11:05]
SuchWow	and wifi is 20/day	[11:05]
SuchWow	i'm in the wrong business lol	[11:06]
mircea_popescu	$30 a night ?! such can't be had in all of buenos aires.	[11:06]
mircea_popescu	i mean there's some REALLY seedy places here, "hotel familiar" etc, literal hookers and bums,	[11:06]
SuchWow	$30/night has always been attainable on downtown vegas strip	[11:06]
SuchWow	that's not new	[11:06]
mircea_popescu	yeah. just saying.	[11:06]
SuchWow	it's all the other charges that are very targetted and new	[11:06]
SuchWow	last time is was $12.99	[11:06]
SuchWow	5-6 years ago when i was last here	[11:06]
mircea_popescu	the idea of paying for wifi is so weird.	[11:07]
SuchWow	now they're just like 'fuck it, rape them on services and amenities and drinks'	[11:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68000 @ 0.00059471 = 40.4403 BTC [+] {2}	[11:07]
SuchWow	i went down to the bar and got 2 heiniekens was liek $15	[11:07]
SuchWow	or stick $20 into video poker and is free lol	[11:07]
SuchWow	but nobodyu is doing that anymore	[11:07]
SuchWow	the crowd they are now attracting just gladly pays	[11:07]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[11:07]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1418861 << you know that's normal.	[11:08]
assbot	Logged on 01-03-2016 09:04:23; cazalla: i get more cuddles and kisses, but he only turns the tears on if mum leaves, not when dad goes out, doesn't seem to care as much	[11:08]
SuchWow	it is kinda brilliant, and the overall atmosphere is much better in many ways	[11:08]
SuchWow	just not my style and not what i came for lol	[11:08]
SuchWow	but it is surely more profitable for everyone involved, so i get it	[11:08]
mircea_popescu	government workers.	[11:08]
SuchWow	mircea_popescu: what do you think about the pres candidates	[11:08]
SuchWow	synopsis lol	[11:08]
SuchWow	you think a lot, more than me even	[11:09]
mircea_popescu	https://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/ << more or less htis.	[11:09]
assbot	BitBet - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination :: 137.71 B (62%) on Yes, 83.19 B (38%) on No \| closing in 1 month 1 week\| weight: 20`618 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1KAXLHg )	[11:09]
SuchWow	rolf	[11:09]
SuchWow	was just looking at that	[11:09]
SuchWow	someone linked it elsewhere earlier	[11:09]
mircea_popescu	i didn't even bet, myself. but i think it's pretty much on the money.	[11:09]
SuchWow	but what is the end game	[11:09]
SuchWow	it's either trump v sanders, or v hillary	[11:09]
SuchWow	and i think sanders won't be 'permitted' 'able' to win	[11:10]
mircea_popescu	prolly hillary.	[11:10]
SuchWow	i think the whole damn circus is just a scripted mess to get hillary in	[11:10]
mircea_popescu	see there's this thing where they "prepare" future candidates. sanders may well get 2020.	[11:10]
mircea_popescu	aha, quite exactly.	[11:10]
SuchWow	which is fine, as she is the only candidate giving us the highest probability of continued stability	[11:10]
SuchWow	'business as usual, etc'	[11:10]
SuchWow	whilst simulatenously appeasing outliers	[11:10]
SuchWow	buy giving sanders more support than perot, nader, and paul cpombined	[11:11]
SuchWow	thus enforcing the illusion that we are all really choosing the outcome	[11:11]
SuchWow	it's neat	[11:11]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1418866 << so nsa/mit are trying to push an alt. good for them. they'll fail.	[11:11]
assbot	Logged on 01-03-2016 09:06:04; SuchWow: Just out of curiosity, what do you guys think about ethereum, meaning this chan in general	[11:11]
SuchWow	ahahaha	[11:12]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1418880 << and yet it's obvious. what's the difference between the two ? :D	[11:12]
assbot	Logged on 01-03-2016 09:08:51; ben_vulpes: i wonder how the conversation drifted from parenting to shillcoins	[11:12]
SuchWow	same hypothetical said about btc many times also tho	[11:12]
SuchWow	because he upped me lol	[11:12]
SuchWow	duh	[11:13]
SuchWow	as i said, i enjoy our bi-yearly talks lol	[11:13]
SuchWow	figured i'd bring my a-game for once ;)	[11:13]
mircea_popescu	tis much less of a hypotetical, tis a factual. look into the structure backing it if you're bored.	[11:13]
SuchWow	if nothing else, proving that trust/relationship can be established even without use of ratings bot lol	[11:13]
SuchWow	mircea_popescu: you're talking about eth, but saying not btc?	[11:14]
mircea_popescu	i can't say i'm not flattered nsa's trying their idea of "the mp approach", but in the famed words of knight, "get the fuck off the horse!"	[11:14]
SuchWow	or a combo of the two	[11:14]
mircea_popescu	entertainment and trust are orthogonal matters SuchWow	[11:14]
SuchWow	how did we get back to politics lol	[11:15]
mircea_popescu	but yes, an inkling of trust necessarily must stem out of outside the wot.	[11:15]
SuchWow	did the gov't have anything to do with creation of btc?	[11:15]
SuchWow	(just hypothetical by means of same token)	[11:15]
SuchWow	i knwo is unfairly braod Q lol	[11:15]
SuchWow	sry, wrist hurts	[11:16]
mircea_popescu	well, if it did or if it didn't, it's not like the case of ethereum in any sense.	[11:16]
SuchWow	interesting	[11:16]
mircea_popescu	what's that halfbreed's name, ho ?	[11:16]
mircea_popescu	gimme a sec ima dig out the thread.	[11:16]
SuchWow	but	[11:16]
SuchWow	if we don	[11:16]
SuchWow	tdon't really know	[11:16]
mircea_popescu	it was ho, shoe, something. elen chow.	[11:16]
SuchWow	then how can we say it is or isn't	[11:16]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-02-2016#1414722 like that. shu, apparently.	[11:17]
assbot	Logged on 24-02-2016 22:14:34; mircea_popescu: i'll have shu's head, and a few others instead.	[11:17]
SuchWow	(i am incredibly not well versed in eth tho admittedly, just the snips i hear here and there weekly on various chats/forums)	[11:17]
mircea_popescu	no wait, that's maybe not it. wtf was it,.	[11:18]
SuchWow	i certainly started watching that chart for fun tho, as i always do for btc/ltc/doge, a few months back	[11:18]
SuchWow	has been a wild ride, and i called a lot of the movement correctly	[11:18]
SuchWow	(but of course had zero invested due to no free time)	[11:19]
mircea_popescu	well, basically the story of eth is, "what if we made a b-a, except not on irc but in a spare closet at a usg-sponsored university, and we tried to get idiot kids on reddit excited and inept javascript developers contributing code and MAKE A BETTER BITCOIN in the sense that it'll suck where bitcoin hurts us."	[11:19]
mircea_popescu	then i went into them financially and they actually burned a few millions propping it up, and that pretty much brings us to the present day.	[11:19]
SuchWow	now that's the most interesting tl;dr i've read yet	[11:19]
SuchWow	right that's what gets me	[11:19]
SuchWow	i remember them fundraising etc	[11:20]
SuchWow	no prospects for growth	[11:20]
SuchWow	and then suddenly it's a currency and it starts acting like dogecoin, value/price-wise	[11:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00059471 = 6.6608 BTC [+]	[11:20]
mircea_popescu	which is fine and good - by now it's obvious it's cheaper to kill it on technical grounds rather than financial seeing how nsa can print money but can't really hire anyone but indians and idiots for the life of it.	[11:20]
mircea_popescu	and so, here we are #2.	[11:20]
SuchWow	except that it seems to be maintaining the illusion longer	[11:20]
SuchWow	do people even consider eth to be a beta	[11:21]
SuchWow	or still alpha	[11:21]
mircea_popescu	SuchWow hey, govt has a lot of experience running ponzis. heck, social security is still somehow magically protected by illusion.	[11:21]
SuchWow	i've seen the page listing all the amazing proof of concept contracts/programs	[11:21]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[11:21]
SuchWow	and it is pretty neat	[11:21]
SuchWow	mircea_popescu: such is currency	[11:21]
SuchWow	and currency ofc is debt	[11:21]
SuchWow	it's all a sham, but it's amazing how long they've been able to prop it up and convince the vast majority of everyone to believe in it	[11:22]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[11:22]
SuchWow	what is the peewee word of the day lol	[11:22]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47824 @ 0.00059379 = 28.3974 BTC [-] {2}	[11:26]
mircea_popescu	!up SuchWow	[11:26]
-assbot-	You voiced SuchWow for 30 minutes.	[11:26]
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mircea_popescu	omg get in the wot already.	[11:26]
SuchWow	ok fine what do i have to do	[11:26]
SuchWow	make it simple	[11:27]
SuchWow	been in vegas for days and not slept much lol	[11:27]
mircea_popescu	you got a gpg key ?	[11:27]
SuchWow	anyhow, all i wanted to say was: [09:22:08] anyhow i'm gonna drift off for now [09:22:23] thanks for the good convo, be well sir (and all)	[11:27]
SuchWow	no i don't	[11:27]
SuchWow	just +i me	[11:27]
mircea_popescu	haha then a lot you gotta do. later!	[11:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24730 @ 0.00058609 = 14.494 BTC [-]	[11:27]
SuchWow	way easier	[11:27]
SuchWow	or +v	[11:27]
SuchWow	or whatever	[11:27]
SuchWow	it's not like i ever talk lol	[11:28]
jurov	it's !up ... and you'll need pgp key even for eulora	[11:29]
mircea_popescu	hard to explain the benefit of sight to the blind	[11:29]
SuchWow	Nothing I do in this chan requires "trust" as far as I can see	[11:29]
SuchWow	it's just irc, and it's a chan i rarely if ever speak in	[11:29]
SuchWow	yet i do once in awhile read the chat here just for fun	[11:29]
SuchWow	anyhow, it's your chan, i'll shutup lol	[11:29]
mircea_popescu	let's just say that being able to see opens new dimensions to your life you never could see before.	[11:30]
SuchWow	hagn/d everyone :)	[11:30]
SuchWow	if i ever return to trading	[11:30]
trinque	guy's so tired he's speaking klingon	[11:30]
SuchWow	i will consider spending more time here, etc	[11:30]
SuchWow	lol	[11:30]
jurov	and actually, this chan isn't much about trading anymore	[11:31]
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SuchWow	then maybe there is no need for an enforceable trust system before one can speak ;)	[11:38]
SuchWow	i jest i jest, really going now lol	[11:38]
SuchWow	keep on being intelligent	[11:38]
SuchWow	the world needs it	[11:38]
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jurov	SuchWow: what about the code your ass runs on? no trust system needed?	[11:40]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1418901 <<< i was certainly never in a bed with a woman and her 80 lb "lovedog" before, whatever that may mean.	[11:44]
assbot	Logged on 01-03-2016 09:15:43; ben_vulpes: probably more crowded than anything mircea_popescu engages in willingly, and i don't even like it.	[11:44]
mircea_popescu	but then again, i am youthful and inexperienced. also was not in bed with woman and her infant child.	[11:45]
thestringpuller	so classic got 33 blocks out of last 1000. it's interesting seeing the derps derpin'	[11:46]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1418907 << word.	[11:46]
assbot	Logged on 01-03-2016 09:38:24; punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ccbgb0CXIAEbwoL.jpg:large	[11:46]
mircea_popescu	trump didn't actually beat inflation, let alone the s&p.	[11:46]
mircea_popescu	the thing anon establishment ho fails to mention, however, is that S&P 500 is not in any sense a thing.	[11:47]
mircea_popescu	THEY KEEP CHANING THE CONTENTS!	[11:47]
mircea_popescu	the difference between "S&P 500" and "here's a retrospective list of 500 companies I picked" is moreover slim.	[11:47]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller lemme guess, "consensus" ?	[11:55]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29000 @ 0.000594 = 17.226 BTC [+]	[12:01]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1418936 << why are you using flycheck??!	[12:04]
assbot	Logged on 01-03-2016 13:42:04; assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 06:02:07; ben_vulpes: flycheck just deleted the contents of an entire buffer	[12:04]
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asciilifeform	!s flycheck	[12:04]
assbot	28 results for 'flycheck' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=flycheck	[12:04]
asciilifeform	the systemd of emacs.	[12:05]
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mircea_popescu	an' how's the morn find you asciilifeform ?	[12:05]
asciilifeform	meeeeting...	[12:06]
mircea_popescu	my new whip smells of cow. ahh, sweet nature.	[12:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20750 @ 0.000594 = 12.3255 BTC [+]	[12:07]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: I don't even know what people are revolting about anymore. It's like watching #occupy wall street with BTC	[12:11]
mircea_popescu	lol. brace yourself, that's also coming.	[12:12]
phf	ben_vulpes: i don't ever touch dependencies, so 40s for a full rebuilt	[12:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9836 @ 0.000594 = 5.8426 BTC [+]	[12:24]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38450 @ 0.00058888 = 22.6424 BTC [-] {3}	[12:33]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35590 @ 0.00058699 = 20.891 BTC [-] {2}	[12:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20041 @ 0.00059004 = 11.825 BTC [+] {2}	[12:44]
jurov	!t m f.mpif	[12:55]
assbot	Um, shouldn't you be with your own tribe or somethin'?	[12:55]
jurov	!t m x.eur	[12:57]
assbot	[MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00256578 / 0.00256578 / 0.00256578 (42 shares, 0.11 BTC), 7D: 0.00254515 / 0.00262764 / 0.00266872 (2153 shares, 5.66 BTC), 30D: 0.00253517 / 0.00274909 / 0.00332476 (9529 shares, 26.20 BTC)	[12:57]
jurov	!t m s.qntr	[12:57]
assbot	[MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.00023293 / 0.00039403 / 0.00049913 (208514 shares, 82.16 BTC)	[12:57]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.00059375 = 8.7578 BTC [+]	[13:07]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6783 @ 0.00059471 = 4.0339 BTC [+]	[13:16]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8917 @ 0.00059553 = 5.3103 BTC [+] {2}	[13:17]
jurov	deedbot-: http://explo.yt/public/fmpif_201602.txt.asc	[13:20]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1LtZV2j )	[13:20]
deedbot-	accepted: 1	[13:20]
jurov	deedbot-: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20160301/attachment.txt?sha1=675d9675e9151a4adf860e168aada54d33925369	[13:21]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Lu006l )	[13:21]
deedbot-	accepted: 1	[13:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26200 @ 0.00059375 = 15.5563 BTC [-]	[13:22]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14347 @ 0.00058726 = 8.4254 BTC [-] {2}	[13:28]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1418940 << this must include buildroot/gcc, the deps, etc.	[13:32]
assbot	Logged on 01-03-2016 13:44:43; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1418803 << about 18-20 minutes.	[13:32]
asciilifeform	either that or mircea_popescu is using a 486...	[13:32]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1418972 << isn't there a 'don't feed the animals' sign hanging somewhere above them ?	[13:32]
assbot	Logged on 01-03-2016 13:54:05; mircea_popescu: o brother. i've been trying to give servers and stuff to the freenode shitheads for YEARS	[13:32]
jurov	how do i search in deedbot stuff?	[13:33]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1418977 << what specifically ~was~ this ?	[13:33]
assbot	Logged on 01-03-2016 13:55:33; assbot: Logged on 19-02-2016 15:24:53; mircea_popescu: * #freenode :Cannot send to channel	[13:34]
jurov	trinque what do you use to search deedbot's deeds? google sucksfor this, duckduckgo only a bit less	[13:37]
jurov	also, are you ok with me mirroring them often?	[13:38]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform yeah it was the whole thing.	[13:40]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i dunno, joined #freenode typed out the above turns out i had no voice. shrugged an' left.	[13:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34986 @ 0.00059554 = 20.8356 BTC [+]	[13:49]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16164 @ 0.00059585 = 9.6313 BTC [+]	[13:50]
jurov	omg there are 110M deeds?	[13:52]
mircea_popescu	no way ?!	[13:53]
trinque	jurov: please do not write a naive scraper that runs often :p	[13:53]
jurov	http://deedbot.org/bundle-387343.txt	[13:53]
trinque	I have the logs in there for example	[13:54]
jurov	logs aren't so bulky I hope	[13:54]
jurov	did you set a limit at all?	[13:54]
jurov	huh but these are logs indeed	[13:55]
trinque	yeah, they're pretty big	[13:55]
jurov	trinque: imma use wget, should be OK if your webserver sends right date headers	[13:56]
trinque	just nginx on a static folder, should	[13:56]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1419204 << wai wut ?!	[14:00]
assbot	Logged on 01-03-2016 15:10:48; mircea_popescu: lol. brace yourself, that's also coming.	[14:00]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1419182 << what, exactly, is a 'lovedog' ? new word for skinny asian chick kept as pet ??	[14:03]
assbot	Logged on 01-03-2016 14:43:25; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1418901 <<< i was certainly never in a bed with a woman and her 80 lb "lovedog" before, whatever that may mean.	[14:03]
trinque	jurov: mind making sure it's returning not modified properly before cron job?	[14:03]
trinque	if not I'll fix it	[14:03]
mircea_popescu	noidea.	[14:04]
jurov	trinque , yes "HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 416 Requested Range Not Satisfiable The file is already fully retrieved; nothing to do."	[14:04]
trinque	neato	[14:05]
trinque	scrape away	[14:05]
jurov	may not work if you ever shrink files, but doubt that ever happens	[14:05]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1419128 << i won't be surprised if a few trillions end up sunk into propping it up	[14:05]
assbot	Logged on 01-03-2016 14:18:16; mircea_popescu: then i went into them financially and they actually burned a few millions propping it up, and that pretty much brings us to the present day.	[14:05]
trinque	Anduck: learn from the above !!!1111!! ^	[14:05]
trinque	lol	[14:05]
asciilifeform	(what, it costs usg to print more 0s after decimal point ?)	[14:05]
trinque	but it does.	[14:06]
trinque	whether they intentionally sink the USD to try to push people onto a USGCoin, who knows.	[14:06]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1419040 << woah this is only slightly larger than my old 'nazi submarine'	[14:07]
trinque	kurrency kontrolz for the 21st century!	[14:07]
assbot	Logged on 01-03-2016 14:04:10; assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 09:02:12; ben_vulpes: there's only so much damage the little fuckling can do in 485 ft2	[14:07]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1419044 << where i live, you can just about part a motorcycle for 30/day.	[14:08]
assbot	Logged on 01-03-2016 14:04:40; mircea_popescu: $30 a night ?! such can't be had in all of buenos aires.	[14:08]
asciilifeform	*park	[14:08]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1418801 << 9 times out of 10, it is simply that a new block appears, and has tx-dddos-crapola	[14:09]
assbot	Logged on 01-03-2016 08:52:51; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395250 << asciilifeform what was the actual trigger for the blackhole? requesting a specific transaction?	[14:10]
asciilifeform	there are also lesser blackholes, from the tx-ddos-crapola itself being received and verified	[14:10]
asciilifeform	(prior to it entering a block)	[14:10]
asciilifeform	shiva was originally part of an attempt to write a debugger to shine some light at this crud	[14:11]
punkman	https://drownattack.com/	[14:11]
assbot	DROWN Attack ... ( http://bit.ly/1VOPeYF )	[14:11]
asciilifeform	'...a new form of cross-protocol Bleichenbacher padding oracle attack. It allows an attacker to decrypt intercepted TLS connections by making specially crafted connections to an SSLv2 server that uses the same private key.' << l0l	[14:12]
asciilifeform	i thought this was old ?	[14:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2986 @ 0.00059585 = 1.7792 BTC [+]	[14:12]
punkman	motherfucking branded vulns	[14:13]
asciilifeform	the original ssl-'phuctor'-no-we-won't-publish-the-data folks, incidentally.	[14:13]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu ^	[14:13]
asciilifeform	'it doesn't matter and we had it first!11111'	[14:13]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=18-05-2015#1136562	[14:14]
assbot	Logged on 18-05-2015 19:48:18; ascii_field: 'It doesn't work when Nadia Heninger goes to sell Phuctor before Stanford - Nadia Heninger doesn't own Phuctor, and the actual owners are very much present and very much capable to bitchslap her into oblivion.' << actually, 'crime pays.' chick gets a phd and cushy sinecure, etc.	[14:14]
mircea_popescu	punkman> motherfucking branded vulns << srsly.	[14:14]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the notion that nadia heninger "got" a phd and "got" a cushy sinecure, in the sense of got that you employ when you say b-a got x done is ludicrous!	[14:15]
asciilifeform	fine.	[14:15]
asciilifeform	was given.	[14:15]
mircea_popescu	if i feed the fish in my tank, it does not follow that the tankfish "got" food.	[14:15]
mircea_popescu	and once i fucking croak, they'll get a cat's paw magazine.	[14:15]
asciilifeform	this much is obvious though.	[14:15]
mircea_popescu	"obvious" is NOT a byword for "stuff i ignore"	[14:16]
mircea_popescu	obvious is what stuff is that sits at the root of the tree of things and denies certain branches of thought	[14:16]
asciilifeform	hey, i'm also a fish, but in smaller tank with cruddier food and more cat.	[14:16]
mircea_popescu	permanently, without exception, in all cases.	[14:16]
mircea_popescu	what can i tell you.	[14:16]
asciilifeform	and in fact i'm in a fish store, in the bait tank.	[14:16]
mircea_popescu	whether you are or aren't : the notion that what nadia heninger did is in any way related to what nadia heninger "got" is the core and the root of cargo cultism.	[14:17]
asciilifeform	possibly she sucked the right pud ?	[14:17]
asciilifeform	or at least 'chose parents carefully'	[14:17]
mircea_popescu	there is no technology of prayer!	[14:18]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu is clearly not an aztec.	[14:18]
asciilifeform	or tibetan.	[14:18]
mircea_popescu	i am clearly not a any one thing, but instead "rootless cosmopolitan"	[14:18]
asciilifeform	(do they have modern turbine yet in tibet, to turn prayer mill?)	[14:18]
mircea_popescu	because yes, socialist notion of belonging is always built on some version of "plox to believe there is technology of prayer"	[14:18]
asciilifeform	anyway i have profoundly nfi re: heninger.	[14:19]
asciilifeform	all i know is that she's 'house slave' and i'm 'field nigger.'	[14:20]
punkman	https://ssrg.nicta.com.au/projects/TS/cachebleed/ speaking of heningers	[14:20]
assbot	CacheBleed: A Timing Attack on OpenSSL Constant Time RSA ... ( http://bit.ly/1VOQ9sc )	[14:20]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha	[14:20]
jurov	trinque actually, upon reading wget man, it will clobber html files because it always reads only the added range regardless of date headers :(	[14:22]
jurov	so (S)FTP or rsync would be better	[14:23]
trinque	jurov: only html is the index	[14:23]
jurov	and FAQ	[14:23]
jurov	and maybe some other stuff you forgot :_	[14:23]
jurov	:)	[14:23]
trinque	I don't mind getting ya rsync, will have to be this evening	[14:24]
jurov	no, someday	[14:24]
trinque	heh someday it is then	[14:24]
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asciilifeform	notice how every time the 'branded' bug burn ends with 'and now you must install openssl x.y.n+1 ' ???	[14:29]
punkman	it's all rather organized	[14:29]
punkman	http://galleries.payserve.com/1/34382/40089/images/2.jpg	[14:31]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1TOQugG )	[14:31]
mircea_popescu	myeah.	[14:31]
*	asciilifeform looks forward to pounding in the 'g' knife into the ssl idiocy	[14:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70067 @ 0.00059681 = 41.8167 BTC [+] {3}	[14:35]
mircea_popescu	but what i personally take home from the whole "o noes, branded bugs nao" thing is that hearbleed REALLY hurt.	[14:36]
mircea_popescu	which is about as nice as all the derpage post-snowden.	[14:36]
deedbot-	[serialized delusions] F.MPIF 2015 trading statements - http://explo.yt/post/2016/03/01/F.MPIF-2015-trading-statements	[14:36]
mircea_popescu	and in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/2101614620ddddd2978e7e6ce64dc1d4/tumblr_mmuc4eEsgJ1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg	[14:38]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1VORCyy )	[14:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00059625 = 14.6081 BTC [-]	[14:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116139 @ 0.00059732 = 69.3721 BTC [+] {4}	[14:49]
punkman	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CccQCBcWAAAu9qo.jpg:large	[14:50]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1TOUfCQ )	[14:50]
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mircea_popescu	lmao	[14:51]
mircea_popescu	pretty good nightmare fuel.	[14:52]
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punkman	for the kids https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNHwgnpzY9w	[14:54]
assbot	Mommy, why is there a server in the house? - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1TOV1ja )	[14:54]
deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.95000000 BTC on 'No' - Donald Trump will win the 2016 United States Presidential Election - http://bitbet.us/bet/1250/donald-trump-will-win-the-2016-united-states/#b9	[14:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19431 @ 0.00059625 = 11.5857 BTC [-]	[14:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39583 @ 0.00059625 = 23.6014 BTC [-]	[15:01]
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punkman	http://thereformedbroker.com/2016/02/25/abundance/	[15:05]
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mircea_popescu	lol what's with this trend of rewriting trilema poorly among the yuppy class ?	[15:14]
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mircea_popescu	aaaand we're losing txn again.	[15:20]
ben_vulpes	the hundred dollar store is pretty funny	[15:22]
mircea_popescu	word.	[15:22]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform do you see txn bf77bf5ec7c02f4027caab024d5581d82bdea97ab8d7d97aac856169c038dd31 on 173.73.235.152 ?	[15:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25100 @ 0.00059572 = 14.9526 BTC [-] {2}	[15:25]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform nevermind, false alarm. meanwhile i see it propagated.	[15:27]
jurov	http://imgur.com/CQxHbly win.	[15:27]
assbot	Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/21Acil5 )	[15:27]
punkman	jurov: translation?	[15:30]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: tx tends to be slow nowadays due to crapolade flood	[15:33]
mircea_popescu	in truth the failure modes for discrete production processes on the bitcoin network are currently still innumerable.	[15:33]
mircea_popescu	my list is in the thousands and i am still regularly blindsided.	[15:34]
mircea_popescu	i know it sounds ridiculous, but however it may sound, it is the fucking truth.	[15:34]
ben_vulpes	i'd like to see that list!	[15:34]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[15:34]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1419361 < left: 'for yourself' right: 'for guests'	[15:35]
assbot	Logged on 01-03-2016 18:29:11; punkman: jurov: translation?	[15:35]
asciilifeform	discrete production processes ??	[15:35]
asciilifeform	elaborate ?	[15:35]
mircea_popescu	yes. "do X thing".	[15:35]
mircea_popescu	"make a widget"	[15:36]
asciilifeform	the failure rate is, elementarily, a queue thing	[15:36]
asciilifeform	(whatever you ask for sits in a queue behind 10,001 pieces of shit)	[15:36]
mircea_popescu	i was thinking tower of shit problem, but yes.	[15:37]
asciilifeform	which tower of shit ?	[15:38]
mircea_popescu	bitcoin, the tower of shit.	[15:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35587 @ 0.00059791 = 21.2778 BTC [+]	[15:41]
mircea_popescu	a collection of rotten hardware running dubios kernels with ball of shit visual studio-level bitcoin implementation, expected to somehow do things.	[15:42]
mircea_popescu	ridiculous.	[15:42]
ben_vulpes	fractally bad code	[15:42]
asciilifeform	out of curiosity, what failures has mircea_popescu observed that can be reliably attributed to shit hardware ?	[15:44]
mircea_popescu	nothing can be reliably attributed to anything	[15:45]
mircea_popescu	part of the fucking problem, this	[15:45]
mircea_popescu	but on the other hand - i can't fucking hire people for the love of everfuck. there is no such thing as a lowly bank clerk in bitcoin. everyone must be at above-phd level of tech awareness - yea, i know that doesn't cut it to be in b-a, fine, fuck you all, there are STILL 100k phds spewed out the world over who think themselves as they add to the pool of millions floating around that they are pdh-level! -	[15:46]
mircea_popescu	and EVEN THEN everyone must have access to the fucking top of the hierarchy because it is a GIVEN that everyone will encounter fundamental problems on a monthly basis.	[15:47]
asciilifeform	wai wut	[15:47]
mircea_popescu	if banks ran like this the average teller would look like a fucking safari hunter,	[15:47]
mircea_popescu	except for the steel breastplate and geiger counter.	[15:47]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu is hiring a what ?	[15:47]
mircea_popescu	a nothing! i can't as much as have someone to clean the fucking floors.	[15:48]
asciilifeform	i thought mircea_popescu taught us that odin will smite those who hire hirelings	[15:48]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 162250 @ 0.00059813 = 97.0466 BTC [+] {4}	[15:48]
trinque	wtf?!?!	[15:48]
trinque	tcp 0 0 172.86.178.46:44113 185.30.166.37:7000 ESTABLISHED	[15:49]
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mircea_popescu	do you understand how normal work works among humans ? bob has a widget factory, which needs a widgeteer, which is a job composed of 5 movements and 3 reaches, so he goes to the corner where kids loiter and goes "you there! do like this with your elbow! good. now read this list and apply it. every day."	[15:50]
jurov	trinque i was mistaken, wget does timestamping, so all should be swell... but srs 50kB/s? you serve deedbot over ADSL?	[15:50]
mircea_popescu	but no, in bitcoin it's "and if the clown car on the left comes unglued call this number and if the bla bla 5000 entries long"	[15:50]
mircea_popescu	and it's still not ~complete~.	[15:50]
asciilifeform	trinque: the fella on the left hand side is you, i recall. right hand - i think might be mircea_popescu ?	[15:50]
trinque	jurov: you asked if there were limits !!!111!!	[15:50]
trinque	asciilifeform: should be a fleanode server	[15:50]
trinque	deedbot- just parted	[15:50]
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asciilifeform	trinque: tcpdump plox.	[15:51]
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mircea_popescu	i happen to know what that is. ircd will just dump the highest latency users if it gets full.	[15:51]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: the situation you described is called 'skilled labour' and it is how i eat.	[15:51]
asciilifeform	welcome to planet 3.	[15:51]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform not in the slightest.	[15:51]
trinque	mircea_popescu: ah	[15:51]
mircea_popescu	skilled labour is what happens with bob and his factory.	[15:52]
mircea_popescu	this nonsense is just nonsense.	[15:52]
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asciilifeform	taming bursting pipes which gush forth nonsense is - skilled labour.	[15:52]
asciilifeform	repetitive, trainable elbow movements is the other hind.	[15:52]
asciilifeform	*kind	[15:52]
asciilifeform	of labour	[15:52]
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mircea_popescu	ie, skilled.	[15:53]
asciilifeform	semi-skilled, if you insist.	[15:54]
mircea_popescu	skilled labour is hwat a carpenter does. he has 7 tools and 3 types of wood, and an absolute guarantee that his fucking board isn't going to spontaneously turn to marmalade.	[15:54]
jurov	trinque i'm used to limiting at ingress not egress. but i prolly disgress.	[15:54]
mircea_popescu	which is why it is WORK.	[15:54]
mircea_popescu	whereas what a doctor, or a lawyer do, independent professions and in no sense either labour or skilled, is to give you THEIR OPINIONS	[15:54]
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mircea_popescu	entirely fucking different story from doing any kind of work.	[15:54]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i deal in boards that spontaneously turn into radioactive weevils.	[15:54]
ben_vulpes	( jurov i chuckled )	[15:54]
asciilifeform	this is not work ?	[15:54]
mircea_popescu	it is not work.	[15:54]
mircea_popescu	elementary : because it doesn't work.	[15:55]
mircea_popescu	just like medicine doesn't work.	[15:55]
mircea_popescu	"oh, but does it help ?" "i guess..." "WELL THEN!111"	[15:55]
trinque	jurov: gotta go do an errand, but when I'm seated at desk again I'll put some more thought into the section of my nginx config labeled "Fuck you, Anduck"	[15:55]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha what	[15:55]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: virtually nothing to do with computing, works.	[15:55]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform ikr ? and now we had to build money on top of it	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	fucking stupidest idea ever, should have tried building it on old crack whores first.	[15:56]
asciilifeform	iirc it still runs on a backbone of crackwhores..	[15:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77450 @ 0.00059476 = 46.0642 BTC [-] {2}	[15:57]
asciilifeform	anyway i specialize in making some selected subset of it actually WORK.	[15:57]
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asciilifeform	as showcased in, e.g., rotor, etc.	[15:57]
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asciilifeform	it is done, elementarily, by removing the weevils.	[15:57]
asciilifeform	and working with what remains.	[15:58]
asciilifeform	this is - surprisingly - a rare enough thing that i can live from it.	[15:58]
asciilifeform	but the down side is that, it being rare, there is ~0 demand, most places, most of the time.	[15:58]
asciilifeform	see old threadz, etc.	[15:59]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform> anyway i specialize in making some selected subset of it actually WORK. << this much is true, yes. but you have a finite number of hands!	[16:00]
asciilifeform	aha, and, incidentally, i got 'volunteered' for 1.5 shift .	[16:00]
mircea_popescu	heh	[16:00]
asciilifeform	(supposedly for 1 qrt. but lul!)	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha what, awhole quarter ?	[16:01]
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asciilifeform	aha.	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	lol. well, the plan is working splendidly. who'd bother shooting you, you're rather easy to mothball anyway.	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	anyway. bill's up, i guess im closing down this phuctor server and eating the 2 month bill as cdb ?	[16:02]
asciilifeform	mno.	[16:02]
mircea_popescu	well ?	[16:02]
asciilifeform	it goes up this week.	[16:02]
asciilifeform	db nearly done regrinding.	[16:02]
mircea_popescu	they may well cut it off this week.	[16:02]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: gimme an addr, i'll pay for it myself until it is +ev.	[16:03]
mircea_popescu	nuts.	[16:03]
mircea_popescu	this is how you end up volunteered for 1.5 shifts, you know.	[16:03]
asciilifeform	it pays.	[16:04]
mircea_popescu	there is also that, yeah. anyway!	[16:04]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu himself taught us, 'dont't be poorfag'	[16:04]
mircea_popescu	i think i'm done raging for the day.	[16:04]
asciilifeform	my not-so-secret plan is to take some unpaid leave, possibly in summer.	[16:05]
asciilifeform	and, in order to have ~with what~ - well.	[16:05]
asciilifeform	anyway mircea_popescu signed addr plox.	[16:05]
mircea_popescu	and apologies to all the people waiting on https://bitbet.us/bet/1209/jeb-bush-will-be-republicans-2016-presidential-nominee/ payouts. they're out now, 3confirms.	[16:06]
assbot	BitBet - Jeb Bush will be Republicans' 2016 Presidential Nominee :: 1.63 B (9%) on Yes, 16.49 B (91%) on No \| closed 1 week 2 days ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1KJwPbF )	[16:06]
mircea_popescu	i blame cascading failure in teh bitcoin stack.	[16:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59748 @ 0.00059874 = 35.7735 BTC [+] {2}	[16:08]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33450 @ 0.00059044 = 19.7502 BTC [-] {3}	[16:12]
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ben_vulpes	wait how is phyctor going to be +ev?	[16:18]
ben_vulpes	and what is 'cdb' mircea_popescu ?	[16:19]
mircea_popescu	cost of doing business	[16:19]
ben_vulpes	!up Anduck	[16:19]
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Anduck	thank you very much	[16:19]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: snsa is supposed to drag phuctor as a sled behind it	[16:19]
mircea_popescu	i dunno, originally it was a pretty good marketing tool.	[16:20]
asciilifeform	initially, mircea_popescu propelled the sled	[16:20]
asciilifeform	then - the shareholders	[16:20]
mircea_popescu	but then got bogged down.	[16:20]
asciilifeform	but i say that until the engine is ready, i will pull sled with own back.	[16:20]
Anduck	fwiw, i tried to pm with trinque but he kept ignoring me from the beginning. my script accidentally used his site too frequently and now he's doing this, annoying me occasionally with sudden "fuck you anduck" hilights etc	[16:20]
mircea_popescu	!down Anduck	[16:21]
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mircea_popescu	seriously, guy's a retard, that's all there is to it.	[16:21]
asciilifeform	!s gettrust Anduck	[16:21]
assbot	12 results for 'gettrust Anduck' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gettrust+Anduck	[16:21]
asciilifeform	!gettrust Anduck	[16:21]
assbot	Trust relationship from user asciilifeform to user Anduck: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -6 via 10 connections. \| http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=asciilifeform&to=Anduck \| http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/Anduck/	[16:21]
asciilifeform	there we go.	[16:21]
deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00083074 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $900 before Sep 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1251/bitcoin-to-top-900-before-sep-2016/#b1	[16:23]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: dulap is not only platform for phuctor, but will host 'g', gossip, etc., and is presently the largest and most reliable trb battleship. and i will pay for it personally, because wtf.	[16:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00058703 = 13.5604 BTC [-]	[16:32]
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thestringpuller	!s zulag	[16:38]
assbot	5 results for 'zulag' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=zulag	[16:38]
ben_vulpes	!s zoolag	[16:38]
assbot	96 results for 'zoolag' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=zoolag	[16:38]
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thestringpuller	thx ben_vulpes	[16:40]
asciilifeform	zoolag is a different machine !	[16:42]
asciilifeform	it lives at my house.	[16:43]
asciilifeform	not related to dulap except in the fact that both are trb nodes.	[16:43]
asciilifeform	(and both are gardened by yours truly)	[16:43]
thestringpuller	!s phuctor status	[16:44]
assbot	0 results for 'phuctor status' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=phuctor+status	[16:44]
thestringpuller	:(	[16:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36180 @ 0.00058608 = 21.2044 BTC [-] {2}	[16:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78870 @ 0.000586 = 46.2178 BTC [-]	[16:45]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform yes yes	[16:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43850 @ 0.00059664 = 26.1627 BTC [+] {3}	[16:50]
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deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 7.50000000 BTC on 'No' - Bernie Sanders will be Democrats' 2016 Presidential Nominee - http://bitbet.us/bet/1242/bernie-sanders-will-be-democrats-2016-presidential-nominee/#b26	[17:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91050 @ 0.000586 = 53.3553 BTC [-]	[17:14]
kakobrekla	http://www.coindesk.com/microsoft-ethereum-startup-blockchain/ << "The simple, rapid and flexible one-click deploy of Ethereum blockchain architecture launched on the Microsoft Azure Marketplace enables enterprises and developers to quickly deploy a certified blockchain environment on Azure."	[17:18]
assbot	Microsoft Certifies Ethereum Offering in Blockchain Service First - CoinDesk ... ( http://bit.ly/1TPqCzW )	[17:18]
kakobrekla	eth goes up another 20 purrcent	[17:19]
mircea_popescu	shall be a fun year.	[17:19]
deedbot-	[Trilema] MPEx (S.MPOE) February 2016 Statement - http://trilema.com/2016/mpex-smpoe-february-2016-statement/	[17:23]
asciilifeform	in unrelated-to-anything nyooz, if anyone wants a patched (removed idiot pci whitelist) heathen bios for x60, email me.	[17:24]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38680 @ 0.000586 = 22.6665 BTC [-]	[17:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42895 @ 0.00058376 = 25.0404 BTC [-] {2}	[17:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00059511 = 10.1169 BTC [+]	[17:41]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41650 @ 0.00059735 = 24.8796 BTC [+] {2}	[17:49]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57700 @ 0.00058671 = 33.8532 BTC [-] {3}	[18:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82749 @ 0.00058113 = 48.0879 BTC [-] {4}	[18:15]
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asciilifeform	https://codereview.chromium.org/6648002 << many lulz	[18:17]
assbot	Issue 6648002: Make DBUS an optional dependency so Chromium can be built without it.... -	[18:17]
asciilifeform	'oh noez, without dbus, how will wwwtron ask your wifi card to snitch your gps coords'	[18:18]
asciilifeform	https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/24589 << rogue's gallery of crud.	[18:22]
assbot	Is dbus really needed? \| The FreeBSD Forums ... ( http://bit.ly/216ZZqT )	[18:22]
deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 5.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b129	[18:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26800 @ 0.00058006 = 15.5456 BTC [-]	[18:23]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57850 @ 0.00059742 = 34.5607 BTC [+]	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	that trump thing's on fire	[18:40]
kakobrekla	too bad we dont get elections more often	[18:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25726 @ 0.00059592 = 15.3306 BTC [-]	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	lol	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	and in other usda news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/d66ceb781a14c8f70b3183b999b9ba4a/tumblr_mmput3xwme1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg	[18:43]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/2171hlu )	[18:43]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1419533 << snore, clitler is inevitable	[18:51]
assbot	Logged on 01-03-2016 21:39:15; mircea_popescu: that trump thing's on fire	[18:51]
mircea_popescu	i dunno, she has such a perfect loser face.	[18:56]
asciilifeform	'fata de impins vagoane' !	[18:58]
mircea_popescu	lol	[18:58]
mircea_popescu	not really, she's rather lizard faced, neh ?	[18:59]
*	asciilifeform not master of faces.	[19:00]
asciilifeform	but yeah.	[19:00]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113216 @ 0.00058388 = 66.1046 BTC [-] {3}	[19:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 530800 @ 0.00057366 = 304.4987 BTC [-] {11}	[19:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 271975 @ 0.00056977 = 154.9632 BTC [-] {9}	[19:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 138750 @ 0.00056924 = 78.9821 BTC [-] {2}	[19:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47300 @ 0.00056877 = 26.9028 BTC [-]	[19:14]
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mats	it slides	[19:30]
mircea_popescu	heh look at that, mpex was almost 60k again	[19:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00056877 = 7.9628 BTC [-]	[19:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00056899 = 17.0697 BTC [+]	[19:39]
jurov	http://therealbitcoin.org/deedbot.org/index.html soo, the mirror is here. of course nothing is so simple, i ran into wget trying to follow urls in .txt (!) files and even trying to fix them(!!!)	[19:39]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1oNm41b )	[19:39]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[19:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96259 @ 0.000569 = 54.7714 BTC [+]	[19:40]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00056856 = 11.3712 BTC [-] {3}	[19:43]
mircea_popescu	jurov very good thing tho, deedbot mirror.	[19:44]
mircea_popescu	does it contain enough info to verify the deeds ?	[19:44]
jurov	only if deedbot.org contains	[19:45]
trinque	the FAQ page specifies how to verify them if one has a deed bundle	[19:47]
mircea_popescu	aite just make sure some silly tidbit doesn't get lost and we find ourselves stranded	[19:48]
mircea_popescu	maybe try and verify one on the basis of the mirrored data only to be sure ?	[19:48]
trinque	yeah, just a matter of taking the deed bundle txt, performing sha256 and using that as the privkey, generating a pubkey and address from that	[19:49]
trinque	it would be good for me to post an example verifier on the site	[19:49]
trinque	adlai has done so himself, I know	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	well... the deed seals keep getting spent, so someone must be	[19:49]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61100 @ 0.00056796 = 34.7024 BTC [-] {3}	[19:51]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3524 @ 0.00056774 = 2.0007 BTC [-]	[19:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16276 @ 0.0005677 = 9.2399 BTC [-]	[19:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52659 @ 0.00057157 = 30.0983 BTC [+] {3}	[20:02]
shinohai	http://trumpdonald.org/	[20:05]
assbot	TrumpDonald.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1oNrwkM )	[20:05]
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mircea_popescu	sooo... it pains me to say that bitbet was just on the receiving end of a concerted miner withholding attack.	[20:11]
mircea_popescu	specifically : a set of a dozen or so txn that were trying to pay out winners of a bet went out, only to be "ignored" by the network. they all spent the same inputs. this went on for about a week.	[20:12]
mircea_popescu	once a transaction that DIDN'T spend the same inputs was announced and confirmed, the OLD transactions were somehow found, and are now broadcast.	[20:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 160428 @ 0.00056684 = 90.937 BTC [-] {5}	[20:13]
mircea_popescu	this adds an entire layer of breakage to the already broken bitcoin infrastructure. specifically - due to chinese miner collusion (and yes they do control over 50% of the network) it is impossible to guarantee payment at ANY point in the future.	[20:13]
mircea_popescu	because they can sit on a transaction more or less forever.	[20:13]
mircea_popescu	the damage in this case is ~17 BTC, which whatever - cdb.	[20:13]
mircea_popescu	HOWEVER - bitbet will NOT ever make 2nd transactions for any reason and in any case.	[20:13]
mircea_popescu	this means that if you are waiting on a payment - you got to talk to a miner. bitbet will not further consider any complaints of this nature.	[20:14]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla ^	[20:14]
kakobrekla	this is a problem.	[20:17]
mircea_popescu	the problem is broadly speaking that bitcoin is not actually fit for commerce, and that fixing it necessarily requires changing the pow to exclude f2pool/antpool/etc.	[20:18]
kakobrekla	afaik would not happen if you would select same inputs to be used for second tx or alternatively rebroadcast the first one	[20:18]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla this is what i was doing for a fucking week.	[20:18]
mircea_popescu	however - since bitbet publishes the payout addresses, it's trivial for them to know what to sit on.	[20:18]
kakobrekla	the currently unconfirmed tx has 0 fee ?	[20:18]
mircea_popescu	one of the many. understand that there was a set of these.	[20:19]
kakobrekla	and the 29 blocks confirmed one has 0.00022	[20:19]
mircea_popescu	the one you see now was broadcast originally saturday.	[20:19]
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kakobrekla	one of txes with erroneous 0 fee also got lost after a 2 or 3 days a couple of days ago	[20:21]
punkman	gotta try to spend/move the old inputs to be sure old transaction doesn't suddenly reappear	[20:21]
kakobrekla	^^	[20:21]
mircea_popescu	punkman except spending goes through the same process generally.	[20:21]
mircea_popescu	if spending worked, the problem wouldn't exist in the first place.	[20:22]
mircea_popescu	but spending doesn't, actually, work.	[20:22]
punkman	myeah, but gotta wait until you succeed before sending 2nd payment	[20:22]
mircea_popescu	but the whole KEY of the thing is that this "wait until you succeed" ~= infinity.	[20:23]
kakobrekla	the problem isnt bitbet being targeted. the problem is 0 fee and the fact you can know if uncofirmed tx is out of EVERYONES mempool.	[20:23]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla understand : just because they picked one particular txn out of a set of txn they withheld should NOT be an argument they may bring.	[20:23]
kakobrekla	anyway, tx is unconfirmed at this time with 0 fee, it will take a while to get included in a block if it even will be. you can try to doublespend those inputs to a different address and save the btc.	[20:25]
mircea_popescu	and the one doublespending it with a fee is... not visible. right ?	[20:25]
mircea_popescu	win.	[20:25]
mircea_popescu	i'm sorry. i mean... sorry for your win.	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	or... wait, how did it go ?	[20:26]
kakobrekla	txid ?	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	b28245044ac784766b58dcef00750608400c43bd63dce0f8c41491bd9405ad3a	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	for instance.	[20:27]
kakobrekla	that is the doublespend of de9bc173174f5ae97e7fe0d2e171647cade189c76f9cbe48f37494c973aca2e4 ?	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	well, i'm going to make more, and try to mine them and etc, but yes.	[20:28]
mircea_popescu	anyway. miners must be broken, burned and the land fucking salted.	[20:29]
mircea_popescu	worst enemy of the coin.	[20:29]
kakobrekla	its possible you are connected to a node pocket - trb do not like non-trb nodeas (ban hammer) so they are only left connected (mostly) to trb, not prb which you need if you want the world to see your txes	[20:29]
mircea_popescu	all sorts of things are possible.	[20:29]
mircea_popescu	apparently.	[20:29]
deedbot-	[serialized delusions] Wget malignant featuritis - http://explo.yt/post/2016/03/02/Wget-malignant-featuritis	[20:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38950 @ 0.00056633 = 22.0586 BTC [-]	[20:31]
kakobrekla	jurov ends with 'Also, I should' ?	[20:31]
jurov	fixed that	[20:32]
kakobrekla	kk	[20:32]
jurov	oh somebody reads my blog?	[20:32]
mircea_popescu	eh get out of here, many people read your blog.	[20:32]
punkman	https://github.com/chfoo/wpull wget alternative	[20:32]
assbot	GitHub - chfoo/wpull: Wget-compatible web downloader and crawler. ... ( http://bit.ly/1T6JBY1 )	[20:32]
kakobrekla	anyway, given the current state of txes there is a good chance that evil 0 fee tx will get forgotten again	[20:33]
kakobrekla	'forgotten'.	[20:33]
kakobrekla	gotta move the coins.	[20:33]
punkman	once you broadcast you can never assume it's forgotten	[20:33]
mircea_popescu	i personally think the only reason it's not mined yet is that there hasn't been a block.	[20:33]
kakobrekla	punkman hence added quotes	[20:33]
kakobrekla	2 blocks in past 9 minutes	[20:34]
mircea_popescu	doesn't need to be in the next one. understand how miner collusion works.	[20:34]
mircea_popescu	as long as the competitor isn't mined, what's the hurry ?	[20:34]
kakobrekla	anyway, 'some party' cant order ALL the miners 'not to include' your tx really.	[20:35]
mircea_popescu	400736 was empty, for instance.	[20:35]
mircea_popescu	no, not ALL. just enough of an all.	[20:35]
kakobrekla	and we ha ve 737	[20:35]
deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Donald Trump will win the 2016 United States Presidential Election - http://bitbet.us/bet/1250/donald-trump-will-win-the-2016-united-states/#b11	[20:36]
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kakobrekla	can you share the tx hex of b28245044ac784766b58dcef00750608400c43bd63dce0f8c41491bd9405ad3a ?	[20:43]
mircea_popescu	aaaaand it confirmed	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	how about that kakobrekla ! not bad for a 0 fee tx "in this climate" eh ?	[20:47]
kakobrekla	is not bad no, i guess the size and age did it just.	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	oh oh	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	not saturday, right ? and not the one before it, when the bet closed	[20:48]
mircea_popescu	just now, an hour after the other one, all it needs is a block.	[20:48]
mircea_popescu	i'm so ever impressed.	[20:48]
mircea_popescu	for the record, there are about 50k txn with a higher per-byte offering, and all of those have been in the mempool for ehhh i dunno, a week more than half hour ?	[20:49]
kakobrekla	i could easily get past fee paying txes with large and old inputs without fee months ago. i reckon this still stands.	[20:50]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47608 @ 0.00056821 = 27.0513 BTC [+]	[20:50]
mircea_popescu	dude what nonsense is this.	[20:51]
mircea_popescu	so a tx is broadcast, saturday. it doesn't even register.	[20:51]
mircea_popescu	then it just so happens that tuesday night it's good enough ?	[20:51]
kakobrekla	you get higher priority when unconfirmed time rises, yes.	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	this is the smoking gun re miner collusion to scam bitbet. the loing and the short of it.	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla IT HAD NO UNCONFIRMED TIME	[20:52]
deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 15.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b130	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	it was a 20 minute old txn at the time it was included in a block.	[20:52]
kakobrekla	you cant just delete tx from EVERYONES mempool	[20:53]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[20:53]
mircea_popescu	but you can.	[20:53]
mircea_popescu	someone just did.	[20:53]
mircea_popescu	"Received 17 minutes ago Confirmations 3/6 "	[20:53]
mircea_popescu	how do you like that!	[20:53]
kakobrekla	for all we know KnCMiner or whoever mined it, had it in his mempool all this time.	[20:54]
mircea_popescu	they're witholding blocks (what, you think the blocks you see are the blocks at they're mined ?!), they're withholding txn now, etc.	[20:54]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla yeah, had it in sidepool for 4 days, waiting to see if i repay it without doublespent. which i did. today. 2 hours ago.	[20:55]
kakobrekla	actually no need to rebroadcast in that case, you can just include in block - would not see it as uncofirmed at all.	[20:55]
kakobrekla	so somebody else had it as well.	[20:56]
mircea_popescu	understand : at the time you saw it as "broadcast" it was ALREADY included in a block	[20:56]
mircea_popescu	that was at the time withheld.	[20:56]
ben_vulpes	waiwut how does it make economic sense to not release blocks?	[20:56]
mircea_popescu	because miner colusion, again.	[20:56]
kakobrekla	it could be malicious act by someone who won that bet. saw a 0 conf tx and tried to take advantage of this what just happened.	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	you don't see nasdaq data straight, but with half hour delay	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	why do you expect you see block data ? chinese miners have their own pre-time network.	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla only miners in control of well over 90% of hash can attempt this sort of inept shit.	[20:57]
kakobrekla	anyone could have done it as long as it fools you that it has been 'forgotten'.	[20:58]
mircea_popescu	in fact - once you have 51% you can withhold blocks forever with impunity - time works in your favour.	[20:58]
kakobrekla	and needs resigning.	[20:58]
mircea_popescu	the only anyone who can destroy a txn is the anyone who controls the mining.	[20:58]
kakobrekla	flood of txes + 0 fee tx brings about good chance of falling out block readers	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	i can't comprehend what you're trying to argue here. you're roughly in the position of a prison warden facing an empty cell and a hole in the wall going "hey, water infiltration can sometimes make holes in walls"	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	yeah, i'm sure they can.	[21:00]
kakobrekla	its not impossible you will make a tx from some inputs, which will be 'forgotten' and say fuck you [i only a slight problem so far as long as the tx hex is published and can be rebroadcast] and then later on use those same inputs for another tx [i have a larger problem with that]	[21:03]
kakobrekla	because you leave it the bitcoind to select the inputs.	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	say wut ?	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	look, let's try and get on the same page here. so saturday (sunday by bitbet time) the 20th (21st) this bet https://bitbet.us/bet/1209/jeb-bush-will-be-republicans-2016-presidential-nominee/ was resolved and paid out. the transaction doing this used some inputs to pay out the winners. let's call it tx A1.	[21:05]
assbot	BitBet - Jeb Bush will be Republicans' 2016 Presidential Nominee :: 1.63 B (9%) on Yes, 16.49 B (91%) on No \| closed 1 week 2 days ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1KJwPbF )	[21:05]
mircea_popescu	later throughout the weekend, tx A1 was not visible in the bitcoin network, in spite of being broadcast to 100s of peers.	[21:06]
mircea_popescu	as a result, tx A2 was created, monday, spending the same inputs, paying a fee, and was broadcast.	[21:06]
mircea_popescu	throughout the following 48 hours, neither A1 or A2 were visible on the network.	[21:07]
mircea_popescu	a flurry of other txn, all spending the same inputs and paying ever more in fee were broadcast up until, most recently, march 1st (~16 hours ago).	[21:07]
kakobrekla	you pay out bet A with inputs Ia and sufficient fee. tx gets 'lost', not confirmed. people bitch. you post the tx hex so people them selfs can re-broadcast it. however for as long as that tx is not included in the block you can not spend those same Ia inputs.	[21:08]
mircea_popescu	about three hours ago, tx B, with the same outputs as An, but with different inputs was broadcast. this tx was visible in the mempool throujghout the network as normal, and was included in a block in half an hour.	[21:08]
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mircea_popescu	about half an hour AFTER that inclusion, transaction A1 was REBROADCAST, and within 20 minutes of its rebroadcasting, in spite of no fee, low miner priority etc, was included in a block.	[21:08]
mircea_popescu	this is, unless you're insane, sufficient proof that	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	a) a majority of miners (ie, pool operators) on the bitcoin network conspire together to selectively deny valid transactions	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	b) the same majority of miners is running a withdheld block scheme, where they keep about a half hour time differential between the ACTUAL head of the bitcoin chain and what they published.	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	both of these are serious concerns, and both of these are, strictu sensu, sufficient to prove, not to propose, that bitcoin is not actually functional.	[21:10]
mircea_popescu	moroever, both of these are factual matters, on the basis of observed behaviour.	[21:10]
mircea_popescu	that's about it.	[21:10]
kakobrekla	thats one explanation however taking in account my own experiences with it - i am by your definition insane.	[21:11]
kakobrekla	anyway, for as long as the original tx is not included you must be careful not to spend those inputs in another tx. even if that means forever.	[21:11]
mircea_popescu	look, i know oodles of people have observed what to them seems "just normal wierdness"	[21:11]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1419588 << axe time sword time!!111	[21:12]
assbot	Logged on 01-03-2016 23:16:38; mircea_popescu: the problem is broadly speaking that bitcoin is not actually fit for commerce, and that fixing it necessarily requires changing the pow to exclude f2pool/antpool/etc.	[21:12]
mircea_popescu	this is fine and good. however - i nicely structured this specifically to satisfy my own inquisitive mind. i am satisfied.	[21:12]
kakobrekla	i guess its time to add 'raw hex tx' data for re-broadcasting to bitbet resolved bets	[21:13]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform pretty much. i don't see what else is there. this is the fabled hour of reckoning, best i can tell	[21:13]
mircea_popescu	as per http://trilema.com/2014/the-hour-of-reckoning/	[21:13]
assbot	The Hour Of Reckoning on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KNFRFX )	[21:13]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1419616 << i have hated them since t=0	[21:13]
assbot	Logged on 01-03-2016 23:27:41; mircea_popescu: anyway. miners must be broken, burned and the land fucking salted.	[21:13]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla im still thinking what the best solution to this would be, but as far as bitbet is concerned quite likely something like that.	[21:14]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla not that it'd actually do anything, just adds a gauge.	[21:14]
asciilifeform	miningisabug (tm) (r)	[21:15]
mircea_popescu	whatever mining may be, it's not jsut the codebase that's broken. bitcoin, per se, is not currently functional.	[21:16]
asciilifeform	wake me up when it's time for the keccak knife.	[21:16]
adlai	deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/0W1Q4RR.txt	[21:19]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1QpTsSY )	[21:19]
deedbot-	accepted: 1	[21:19]
mircea_popescu	anyway. at present the best short-term course is, of course, publicizing the matter.	[21:20]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: what do the miners win from this behaviour ?	[21:20]
asciilifeform	usg payola?	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	i suppose we're at the chinese phase of exchanging insults.	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	nah, usg doesn't figure into this as much as a prince albert.	[21:20]
asciilifeform	i mean, if declaring war of the worlds, would be good to know why.	[21:22]
asciilifeform	if even knowable.	[21:22]
mircea_popescu	why what ? why b) ? because it's way the fuck safer for them if any would-be competing cartel starts with a half hour disadvantage.	[21:22]
mircea_popescu	or why a) ? possibily because getting cocky about it.	[21:22]
asciilifeform	aaaah	[21:22]
asciilifeform	i think i get.	[21:22]
mircea_popescu	typical behaviour of spider unaware that what it's trying to catch is a wasp. that eats spiders.	[21:24]
*	asciilifeform bbl, is actually in one of the very few restaurants run by actual chinese here, and dinner is served	[21:27]
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deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 4.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Donald Trump will win the 2016 United States Presidential Election - http://bitbet.us/bet/1250/donald-trump-will-win-the-2016-united-states/#b13	[21:32]
adlai	;;later tell asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-02-2016#1418562 << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2014#868648 but it was pmspam, who knows where he found me	[21:32]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[21:32]
assbot	Logged on 29-02-2016 23:31:57; asciilifeform: (adlai ?)	[21:32]
assbot	Logged on 11-10-2014 14:12:44; Adlai: kakobrekla (~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla): o hey lisp and bitcoins. you might wanna check out #bitcoin-assets	[21:32]
shinohai	;;blocks	[21:34]
gribble	400745	[21:34]
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trinque	jurov: adlai: deedbot- node chewed his wallet.dat into pieces again, re-importing key. on my list of tasks for this week is to look into using shiva interfaces for this.	[21:44]
trinque	your deeds will go out soon as he's able	[21:44]
trinque	actually it looks like jurov's already has	[21:45]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21990 @ 0.00056937 = 12.5204 BTC [+] {2}	[21:52]
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jurov	mircea_popescu: mpex.biz does not recognize my sig and mpex.site threw error 500	[22:12]
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mircea_popescu	jurov heh. moment.	[22:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00056821 = 8.6368 BTC [-] {2}	[22:20]
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asciilifeform	sooooo i discovered that emacs can be de-dbus-ed on gentoo by zapping gtk3	[22:38]
asciilifeform	(package.mask)	[22:38]
asciilifeform	this appears to cure all poetteringism in one stroke of the knife.	[22:38]
asciilifeform	supposing that anyone gives a fuck.	[22:39]
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BingoBoingo	wake me up when it's time for the keccak knife. << Is there a possibru lAb project here?	[22:50]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: understand, i do not need moar projects for anything.	[22:50]
asciilifeform	but when it is time for the knife - it will be time for the knife.	[22:50]
asciilifeform	(unless mircea_popescu wants to do it himself, which in his place i probably would)	[22:50]
BingoBoingo	Of course not, but mebbe keccak miner can be pet project for pet to play with? Every cat needs string, or in their absence lasers.	[22:51]
asciilifeform	pet does other things.	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo im writing a qntra piece re the thing, gimme an hour.	[22:52]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Cool, ty	[22:53]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Pretty much the definition of pet is gets to do what it wants, but many pets take suggestions.	[22:53]
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BingoBoingo	!rate uchi -1 copyrigh wankery	[23:08]
assbot	uchi is not registered in WoT.	[23:08]
BingoBoingo	;;rate uchi -1 US copyrasta wankery	[23:08]
gribble	Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.	[23:08]
BingoBoingo	;;rate uchi -1 US copyrasta wankery	[23:11]
gribble	Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.	[23:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00056927 = 5.1234 BTC [+]	[23:16]
mircea_popescu	lol wut ?	[23:17]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Apparently the dude sold the site to another dude and retroactively converted the sale into a lease by claiming US copyright law.	[23:19]
BingoBoingo	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1382087.msg14065053#msg14065053	[23:19]
assbot	devthedev trying to scam ??? ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tml6qf )	[23:19]
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mircea_popescu	heh k	[23:20]
BingoBoingo	The scammed dude asked me how to present his dilemma in a way that makes sense that this was the distillation I found most obvious	[23:22]
BingoBoingo	Of course the solution in the long run is to stop trying to do the kind of deals which make this wankery a possibility	[23:22]
BingoBoingo	The WoT, many thought they could find an easier, softer way...	[23:23]
mod6	Good evening Gentlemen.	[23:23]
BingoBoingo	Man gentle to you too mod6	[23:24]
mod6	how's it goin BB?	[23:24]
BingoBoingo	Been better, been worse	[23:25]
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mod6	werd.	[23:26]
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BingoBoingo	;;later tell jurov http://qntra.net/2016/03/qntra-s-qntr-february-2016-report/#comment-47558	[23:36]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[23:36]
assbot	Qntra (S.QNTR) February 2016 Report \| Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1RFiKiz )	[23:36]
asciilifeform	https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-7582318.html?sid=d5ee97fb7c939569d7d52055fdc561e9 << not news, but continuation of earlier.	[23:39]
assbot	Gentoo Forums :: View topic - Can I stay with GTK+2? ... ( http://bit.ly/1RFiWyn )	[23:39]
BingoBoingo	jurov: Ok, will improve now	[23:39]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/0P4EW18.txt	[23:42]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1RFjbcA )	[23:42]
BingoBoingo	ty	[23:42]
asciilifeform	https://blog.flameeyes.eu/2010/04/pambase-is-not-that-free << another must-die.	[23:43]
assbot	Pambase is not that free \| Flameeyes's Weblog ... ( http://bit.ly/1RFjh41 )	[23:43]
asciilifeform	'a good part of GNOME can now be considered part of the system set. You have to understand that even if it might not be in your system set, or in the default system set for what matters, the packages have to be carefully considered to not break if they are part of the possible system set...'	[23:44]
BingoBoingo	deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/2WXFPFC	[23:44]
deedbot-	Bad URL or network outage.	[23:44]
assbot	dpaste: 2WXFPFC ... ( http://bit.ly/1RFjhB9 )	[23:44]
BingoBoingo	deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/2WXFPFC.txt	[23:44]
deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 3.94693692 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $900 before Sep 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1251/bitcoin-to-top-900-before-sep-2016/#b5	[23:44]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1RFjhRF )	[23:44]
deedbot-	accepted: 1	[23:44]
BingoBoingo	jurov: Blog version also updated	[23:44]
jurov	(like)	[23:45]
mats	https://github.com/fulldecent/system-bus-radio	[23:53]
assbot	GitHub - fulldecent/system-bus-radio: This program transmits radio on computers without radio transmitting hardware. ... ( http://bit.ly/1RFk7xN )	[23:53]
asciilifeform	mats: ancient news	[23:53]
mats	yes	[23:53]
ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-03-2016#1419758 << very much i do	[23:54]
assbot	Logged on 02-03-2016 01:38:12; asciilifeform: supposing that anyone gives a fuck.	[23:54]
*	p15 (~p15@99.91.145.64.client.static.strong-tk2.bringover.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:56]
asciilifeform	mats: the crapple aspect is interesting though. the laptop monoculture means that folks can finally be relied upon to have the 'standard' antenna.	[23:56]
asciilifeform	i.e. particular length of the bus, and clock.	[23:56]
asciilifeform	whereas when i was doing it as a boy it worked on one 486 box but not another, mostly-identical one.	[23:56]

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