Forum logs for 01 Apr 2013
Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
kakobrekla | O_o | [00:00] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.429 BTC [-] | [00:18] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 24 @ 0.378 = 9.072 BTC [-] | [00:35] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00062903 = 9.5613 BTC [-] | [00:37] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.772 = 2.316 BTC [+] | [00:37] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.77495 BTC [+] | [00:37] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.77695 BTC [+] | [00:37] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 0.777 = 4.662 BTC [+] | [00:38] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 5 @ 0.105 = 0.525 BTC [-] | [00:38] |
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thestringpuller | Did I just see someone dump MPOE stock then put it into ASICMINER...? | [00:43] |
ThickAsThieves | how dare they | [00:44] |
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thestringpuller | it is too high | [00:48] |
thestringpuller | What about KLIM? | [00:48] |
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thestringpuller | !ticker h KLIM | [00:48] |
assbot | Your actions are useless. | [00:48] |
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thestringpuller | !ticker h KCIM | [00:49] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK:KCIM] 1D: 1.00000100 / 1.09894165 / 1.20900000 (17 shares, 18.68200800 BTC), 7D: 0.99500000 / 1.10475013 / 1.25000000 (60 shares, 66.28500800 BTC), 30D: 0.95500000 / 1.13694272 / 1.48000000 (161 shares, 183.04777800 BTC) | [00:49] |
thestringpuller | !ticker h HIM | [00:49] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK:HIM] 1D: 2.00000000 / 2.00872727 / 2.08000000 (55 shares, 110.48000000 BTC), 7D: 1.41000000 / 1.79371529 / 2.08000000 (242 shares, 434.07910099 BTC), 30D: 1.40000000 / 1.77995476 / 2.08000000 (757 shares, 1347.42575265 BTC) | [00:49] |
jurov | thestringpuller: if they managed to teleport btcs from mpex to btct | [00:49] |
thestringpuller | !ticker m S.MPOE | [00:50] |
assbot | [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00062903 / 0.00065976 / 0.00068374 (620725 shares, 409.54 BTC), 7D: 0.0006 / 0.00065759 / 0.00068374 (2521551 shares, 1,658.15 BTC), 30D: 0.0006 / 0.00072825 / 0.00078628 (18137686 shares, 13,208.90 BTC) | [00:50] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.0025 BTC [-] | [00:53] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [RSM] 8 @ 0.00204 = 0.0163 BTC [-] | [00:54] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.00203 BTC [-] | [00:54] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [RSM] 2 @ 0.00203 = 0.0041 BTC [-] | [00:54] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [RSM] 88 @ 0.002012 = 0.1771 BTC [-] | [00:55] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12050 @ 0.0006321 = 7.6168 BTC [+] | [00:56] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 900 @ 0.00063663 = 0.573 BTC [+] | [00:56] |
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pizzaman1337 | ;;asks 99.999 | [01:00] |
gribble | There are currently 24624.678 bitcoins offered at or under 99.999 USD, worth 2377593.73016 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0014 seconds | [01:01] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.105 BTC [-] | [01:01] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9950 @ 0.00062903 = 6.2588 BTC [-] | [01:01] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1 BTC [-] | [01:07] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 3 @ 0.1599 = 0.4797 BTC [+] | [01:10] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.165 BTC [+] | [01:25] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.165 BTC [+] | [01:25] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.19 BTC [+] | [01:25] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.19 BTC [+] | [01:25] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [+] | [01:26] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 17 @ 0.2 = 3.4 BTC [+] | [01:26] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [+] | [01:26] |
KRS1 | pizzaman what to you think about the poss of a sell at $99-$100 | [01:27] |
pizzaman1337 | should hit that sooner or later | [01:30] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [RSM] 150 @ 0.002012 = 0.3018 BTC [-] | [01:31] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 5 @ 0.2699 = 1.3495 BTC [+] | [01:32] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.27999 BTC [+] | [01:32] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 10 @ 0.28 = 2.8 BTC [+] | [01:32] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7789 BTC [+] | [01:35] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00419786 = 2.0989 BTC [+] | [01:37] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.7789 = 1.5578 BTC [+] | [01:42] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.444 = 1.332 BTC [+] | [01:46] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00419787 = 4.1979 BTC [+] | [01:49] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1350 @ 0.00419788 = 5.6671 BTC [+] | [01:50] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1915 @ 0.00062903 = 1.2046 BTC [-] | [01:52] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4062 @ 0.00062878 = 2.5541 BTC [-] | [01:52] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7050 @ 0.00062244 = 4.3882 BTC [-] | [01:52] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.443 = 1.329 BTC [-] | [01:56] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [-] | [02:01] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00060871 = 4.5653 BTC [-] | [02:10] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.59 = 1.77 BTC [-] | [02:25] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 16 @ 0.58 = 9.28 BTC [-] | [02:26] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.28 BTC [+] | [02:27] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.61 = 1.22 BTC [+] | [02:31] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 38 @ 0.61 = 23.18 BTC [+] | [02:33] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.77891 BTC [+] | [02:49] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8810 @ 0.00060101 = 5.2949 BTC [-] | [02:51] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7756 @ 0.00060871 = 4.7212 BTC [+] | [03:14] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [RSM] 750 @ 0.002012 = 1.509 BTC [-] | [03:24] |
MJR_III | hey guys | [03:25] |
MJR_III | anyone around? | [03:25] |
* | smickles is coding | [03:26] |
MJR_III | smickles: perfect | [03:26] |
bitesak | ;;ticker | [03:26] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 93.01000, Best ask: 93.34999, Bid-ask spread: 0.33999, Last trade: 93.01000, 24 hour volume: 21283.09036066, 24 hour low: 91.00000, 24 hour high: 93.80000, 24 hour vwap: 92.70860 | [03:26] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.446 = 2.23 BTC [+] | [03:29] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.779999 BTC [+] | [03:31] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.BBET] 150 @ 0.0019999 = 0.3 BTC [+] | [03:31] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.BBET] 9850 @ 0.00201395 = 19.8374 BTC [+] | [03:32] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33800 @ 0.00060871 = 20.5744 BTC [+] | [03:52] |
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MJR_III | smickles: have you played around with socket.io? | [03:53] |
thestringpuller | socket.io is lame | [03:54] |
MJR_III | tell me about it | [03:55] |
thestringpuller | !ticker H HIM | [03:55] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK:HIM] 1D: 2.00000000 / 2.00872727 / 2.08000000 (55 shares, 110.48000000 BTC), 7D: 1.41000000 / 1.79371529 / 2.08000000 (242 shares, 434.07910099 BTC), 30D: 1.40000000 / 1.77995476 / 2.08000000 (757 shares, 1347.42575265 BTC) | [03:55] |
MJR_III | i'm trying to get a data feed from bitfloor | [03:55] |
thestringpuller | word | [03:55] |
thestringpuller | does socket.io work with redis.io ? | [03:55] |
MJR_III | but it's like socket.io guys never though "what if he wants to get info from a website he doesn't host?" | [03:55] |
MJR_III | or what if he isn't using a browser | [03:56] |
MJR_III | haven't used redis | [03:58] |
MJR_III | and i'm not sure | [03:58] |
MJR_III | i'll be back in a little bit | [03:58] |
splnkr | http://try.redis.io/ | [03:58] |
assbot | [MPEX] [O.USD.P086T] 14 @ 0.12294187 = 1.7212 BTC | [03:58] |
assbot | [MPEX] [O.USD.P092T] 13 @ 0.15861729 = 2.062 BTC | [03:59] |
assbot | [MPEX] [O.USD.P089T] 14 @ 0.14008074 = 1.9611 BTC | [03:59] |
thestringpuller | is that soebot? | [03:59] |
smickles | ;;calc 89/1.14 | [04:00] |
gribble | 78.0701754386 | [04:00] |
smickles | yup | [04:00] |
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smickles | MJR_III: not much socket.io for me | [04:00] |
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MJR_III | socket.io is really nothing like redis.io... | [04:01] |
MJR_III | redis is a database, socket.io is more of a message passing interface/connection media | [04:01] |
MJR_III | its trying to implement tcp sockets into a client/server model | [04:01] |
MJR_III | using varius connection level media such as websockets etc | [04:01] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.58 = 2.9 BTC [-] | [04:07] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.575 BTC [-] | [04:07] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.57 BTC [-] | [04:08] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.5616 BTC [-] | [04:08] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.48 BTC [-] | [04:08] |
MJR_III | so anyway, the problem is that it's meant for browsers and javascript | [04:11] |
MJR_III | but i need applications to be able to talk to it | [04:12] |
thestringpuller | dude just use curl scripts and stop whining | [04:12] |
thestringpuller | done. problem solved. | [04:12] |
MJR_III | obviously you don't know what a websocket is | [04:12] |
MJR_III | its a streaming data feed | [04:12] |
MJR_III | curl would be for requests | [04:12] |
MJR_III | or wget | [04:12] |
MJR_III | the whole point of it is that you only request once | [04:13] |
thestringpuller | I'm trollin' dude that's all I do. I'm no help. | [04:13] |
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MJR_III | and then you have a connection | [04:13] |
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MJR_III | hehehe, all good | [04:13] |
MJR_III | it lowers overhead though | [04:13] |
MJR_III | since you aren't sending a ton of requests all the time | [04:13] |
thestringpuller | I've never worked on an application that requires a persistent connection | [04:14] |
MJR_III | a market data feed? | [04:14] |
MJR_III | for example, you can keep requesting all the market data...or their server can push any new orders out to you | [04:15] |
MJR_III | so its real time | [04:15] |
MJR_III | no refresh | [04:15] |
thestringpuller | Nope. I wanted to do HFT Algo's so maybe one day I will do real time. But I've never worked on anything realtime | [04:15] |
thestringpuller | except video games which make no monies | [04:15] |
MJR_III | for HFT you need real time | [04:15] |
thestringpuller | i kno | [04:16] |
thestringpuller | mircea_popescu: i summon thee | [04:16] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.00401 BTC [-] | [04:19] |
thestringpuller | $oix | [04:22] |
thestringpuller | !ticker m ^OIX | [04:23] |
assbot | [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 81.34220013 / 93.14221262 / 140.1904003 (4085 shares, 2,444.98 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC) | [04:23] |
thestringpuller | !ticker m ^OIX | [04:26] |
assbot | [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 81.34220013 / 93.14221262 / 140.1904003 (4085 shares, 2,444.98 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC) | [04:26] |
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thestringpuller | ;;ticker | [04:26] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 93.38000, Best ask: 93.40001, Bid-ask spread: 0.02001, Last trade: 93.40001, 24 hour volume: 20690.03883381, 24 hour low: 91.00000, 24 hour high: 93.80000, 24 hour vwap: 92.74693 | [04:26] |
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* | sandyvajayjay is now known as [\] | [04:27] |
mircea_popescu | what's new | [04:29] |
pgp | game of thrones - that's what's new... | [04:30] |
mircea_popescu | [04:31] | |
thestringpuller | mircea_popescu: doesn't watch that stuff | [04:31] |
MJR_III | ah nice, GoT started | [04:32] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [RSM] 100 @ 0.003099 = 0.3099 BTC [+] | [04:33] |
mircea_popescu | im playing path of exile. | [04:33] |
mircea_popescu | deposits flushed too | [04:35] |
mircea_popescu | http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/01/technology/russia-begins-selectively-blocking-internet-content.html | [04:38] |
mircea_popescu | wtf is all this suicide bullshit. | [04:38] |
mircea_popescu | people want to kill themselves, their business. | [04:38] |
benkay | and yet the world continues to function, albeit imperfectly | [04:39] |
thestringpuller | benkay , mah nigga | [04:39] |
* | benkay is now known as icyhot | [04:40] |
icyhot | wtf colloquy | [04:40] |
icyhot | what's up, strings. | [04:40] |
thestringpuller | is that how you transform into gangsta version | [04:40] |
icyhot | i'm demoing a new handle | [04:40] |
icyhot | i've used benkay since | [04:40] |
icyhot | middle school? | [04:40] |
icyhot | before. | [04:40] |
mircea_popescu | how long ago is that ? | [04:41] |
icyhot | i'm 25 now. | [04:41] |
icyhot | i think that's the question you're really interested in answering. | [04:41] |
mircea_popescu | cool :p | [04:42] |
icyhot | how old are you, mircea? | [04:42] |
thestringpuller | mircea_popescu what was your pop's name? | [04:43] |
pgp | icyhot... related, but different.. works... | [04:43] |
thestringpuller | Was he Mr. Popescu? | [04:43] |
mircea_popescu | actually mircea | [04:43] |
mircea_popescu | my grandfather too | [04:43] |
mircea_popescu | and im thirtysomething | [04:44] |
icyhot | do your people reverse the firstname lastname thing? | [04:44] |
icyhot | family/personal? | [04:44] |
mircea_popescu | sometimes | [04:44] |
mircea_popescu | the proper form (ie, popescu mircea) is used in formal context. like for instance if you sue somebody. | [04:45] |
mircea_popescu | the informal (ie, english style) is used otherwise | [04:45] |
icyhot | then you're typically addressed as 'mircea'? | [04:46] |
mircea_popescu | not rly. | [04:46] |
icyhot | i don't know how seriously you take this autocratic thing. i halfway imagine you might have people kissing the pavement behind you. | [04:47] |
mircea_popescu | sometimes. | [04:47] |
icyhot | see? | [04:47] |
mircea_popescu | the girls usually call me master. | [04:47] |
pgp | lol | [04:47] |
mircea_popescu | no, i'm like serious and everything. | [04:47] |
icyhot | like serious | [04:48] |
icyhot | more like 14 | [04:48] |
icyhot | and female | [04:48] |
icyhot | ;) | [04:48] |
mircea_popescu | no u | [04:49] |
icyhot | i kid, i kid. | [04:51] |
mircea_popescu | "A lot of software can be about egos. While the Bitcoin architecture is genius the code itself is merely adequate." | [04:51] |
mircea_popescu | heh. | [04:51] |
icyhot | where printed? | [04:51] |
dub | oh shit, baller on deck | [04:51] |
dub | howz the stuntin icyhot | [04:52] |
icyhot | stuntin hard | [04:52] |
icyhot | chillin on the po'ch wiv mah forty and shorty and pit bull | [04:52] |
icyhot | drank heavily this weekend. everyone's recovering. | [04:54] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00060101 = 4.0568 BTC [-] | [04:57] |
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mircea_popescu | "But involving with people who write on their website that they want to kill all idiots, is dangerous for me. Sorry." | [04:59] |
mircea_popescu | what, I wrote that ?! | [04:59] |
icyhot | i think it's more of an implication you make constantly. | [04:59] |
mircea_popescu | you know... i think if anyone in this world can't be suspected of holding back from what they mean to say it'd be me. | [05:01] |
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icyhot | also man to the rest of the world there isn't a whole lot of difference between calling people 'nigger' and saying that you want to kill all of the idiots. | [05:05] |
mircea_popescu | !? | [05:05] |
icyhot | parsing your pennings can be challenging for mere mortals; imagine how confusing they must be to the rest of the internet. | [05:06] |
mircea_popescu | lol ok | [05:06] |
mircea_popescu | at least it ain't boring. | [05:06] |
icyhot | i would prefer boring. | [05:06] |
mircea_popescu | why ? | [05:06] |
icyhot | drama is bad for business. | [05:06] |
icyhot | distracting. | [05:07] |
mircea_popescu | well for everyone's peace of mind i don't propose, contemplate or intend to kill anyone. | [05:07] |
Bugpowder | now time for VIKINGS! | [05:07] |
mircea_popescu | seems a little silly. | [05:07] |
icyhot | everything in my life is silly. | [05:08] |
icyhot | i have entirely lost perspective. | [05:08] |
icyhot | "what do you do?" | [05:08] |
dub | what about if it was just yo uand Taaki on the roof with nobody looking? | [05:08] |
dub | hard to beat that temptation | [05:08] |
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mircea_popescu | im not tempted. | [05:08] |
MJR_III | best linux IRC app? | [05:08] |
icyhot | irssi, mjr_III | [05:09] |
mircea_popescu | for one if i particularly wanted to i could probably create the event, what's it take, a few quid. | [05:09] |
mircea_popescu | no xchat. | [05:09] |
MJR_III | cool thx | [05:09] |
icyhot | aside: moving from os x to ubuntu, i actually found myself more productive in the terminal | [05:09] |
dub | so bitcoin hit nightly news here this week | [05:10] |
dub | they showed amir and bruce wagner | [05:10] |
dub | I fucking raged | [05:11] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [05:11] |
mircea_popescu | where are you, turkmenistan ? | [05:11] |
dub | outer | [05:11] |
mircea_popescu | outer turkmenistan ? | [05:11] |
dub | yes | [05:11] |
mircea_popescu | well trade your tv for a camel | [05:11] |
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mircea_popescu | wait. bruce wagner, the tv star ? | [05:12] |
dub | yeah the boyloving youtube sensation | [05:12] |
mircea_popescu | wow i thought he's gone | [05:12] |
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mircea_popescu | high tide brings all the scum back to shore eh | [05:13] |
MJR_3 | hi all | [05:13] |
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MJR_3 | xchat is really nice | [05:13] |
MJR_3 | i like the layout, thanks mircea_popescu | [05:13] |
KRS1 | hey there | [05:13] |
dub | i think it was an ancient clip but this is the press bitcoin has | [05:13] |
mircea_popescu | Help us reach our goal! Bitcoinstore must sell $850,000 by June, 30 to keep its competitive prices. $0 reached of $850,000 | [05:13] |
KRS1 | i know that name | [05:13] |
mircea_popescu | that seems promising | [05:13] |
[\] | that's just stupid | [05:13] |
[\] | if you have to beg people to shop, then it isn't serving the original purpose | [05:14] |
Bugpowder | i knew he would get an extention | [05:14] |
mircea_popescu | [\] i would hope my sarcasm is not squandered. | [05:14] |
[\] | I'm 12 and what is this? | [05:15] |
smickles | $avg | [05:15] |
mpexbot | smickles: 92.70 | [05:15] |
smickles | ;;calc 68/92.7 | [05:15] |
gribble | 0.733549083064 | [05:15] |
Bugpowder | I think it will hit 850k by july 1 | [05:15] |
mircea_popescu | Bugpowder from 0 ? | [05:15] |
Bugpowder | they did 450 basically this month | [05:15] |
KRS1 | I can't find ASIC mining rigs on bitcoinstore | [05:16] |
mircea_popescu | look under cupcakes. | [05:16] |
mircea_popescu | "BOOM. While you've been out poppin' bottles with models, the Payward team has been slaving away at a proper exchange for arbitrary cyborg-alien currencies of the future, and bitcoin." | [05:16] |
mircea_popescu | what the fuck srslty. | [05:16] |
MJR_3 | url please | [05:18] |
icyhot | payward.com | [05:18] |
mircea_popescu | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=159974.0 | [05:18] |
MJR_3 | seems legit | [05:19] |
MJR_3 | :-| | [05:19] |
icyhot | tee hee | [05:20] |
icyhot | filled with lorem ipsum. | [05:20] |
icyhot | pretty charts though. | [05:20] |
ThickAsThieves | ;;bc,stats | [05:20] |
gribble | Current Blocks: 229025 | Current Difficulty: 6695826.282596251 | Next Difficulty At Block: 229823 | Next Difficulty In: 798 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 13 hours, 26 minutes, and 23 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 7456274.96836 | Estimated Percent Change: 11.35706 | [05:21] |
KRS1 | lol | [05:21] |
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MJR_3 | he does have confidence | [05:22] |
MJR_3 | you gotta give em that | [05:22] |
Bugpowder | competence >> confidence | [05:22] |
MJR_3 | it was a joke | [05:23] |
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MJR_3 | that whole forum post was like LOL WTF, dude, | [05:23] |
assbot | [MPEX] [X.IDIFF.JUN] 60 @ 0.1375 = 8.25 BTC [+] | [05:23] |
MJR_3 | we'll see | [05:23] |
icyhot | the whole bitcoin economy is like LOL WTF dude | [05:23] |
MJR_3 | the more the merrier | [05:23] |
MJR_3 | hehehe | [05:23] |
MJR_3 | well...it kinda seemed like "our focus group tells us that these "memes" have the highest probablity of going "viral" | [05:24] |
MJR_3 | like over the top | [05:24] |
MJR_3 | but eh, w/e | [05:24] |
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MJR_3 | does anyone know of a simple socket.io console app? | [05:25] |
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mircea_popescu | at least jesse powell is not *completely* out of the financial loop | [05:25] |
MJR_3 | so wait, is kraken and payward two separate things? | [05:26] |
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mircea_popescu | looks like a dba sort of thing | [05:27] |
icyhot | dba? | [05:27] |
MJR_3 | better than most out there now | [05:27] |
MJR_3 | but we'll see how the matching engine is | [05:28] |
MJR_3 | at least they put a level 2 data book together in the right order | [05:28] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, i'm out. have a ball all. | [05:30] |
ThickAsThieves | <@assbot> [MPEX] [X.IDIFF.JUN] 60 @ 0.1375 = 8.25 BTC [+] [05:31] |
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KRS1 | bye | [05:32] |
MJR_3 | later | [05:33] |
MJR_3 | damn it feels good to be back on linux | [05:33] |
KRS1 | awww yeah | [05:33] |
MJR_3 | KRS1, you know anything about websockets (specifically socket.io)? | [05:34] |
KRS1 | not really im a sysadmin but i know what socket.io is | [05:34] |
MJR_3 | yeah | [05:34] |
MJR_3 | its tough | [05:34] |
KRS1 | looking to interface with mtgox? | [05:34] |
MJR_3 | these web libraries keep changing | [05:34] |
MJR_3 | bitfloor actually | [05:34] |
KRS1 | i'd lose my mind if i was a web developer | [05:34] |
MJR_3 | its fun cuz of how quickly you can develop | [05:35] |
KRS1 | but i have to support all the crap they do where I work | [05:35] |
MJR_3 | but sucks cuz of how quickly you can develop | [05:35] |
KRS1 | yeah..wasnt always like that | [05:35] |
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* | Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com/ | [14:43] |
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gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 94.50090, Best ask: 94.69989, Bid-ask spread: 0.19899, Last trade: 94.50090, 24 hour volume: 27511.68644631, 24 hour low: 91.00000, 24 hour high: 94.84000, 24 hour vwap: 93.17817 | [14:43] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.749999 = 2.25 BTC [+] | [14:46] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 19 @ 0.00402 = 0.0764 BTC [-] | [14:47] |
pizzaman1337 | ;;ticker | [14:47] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 94.50091, Best ask: 95.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.49909, Last trade: 94.50091, 24 hour volume: 29869.63042979, 24 hour low: 91.00000, 24 hour high: 95.00000, 24 hour vwap: 93.31910 | [14:47] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 52 @ 0.004015 = 0.2088 BTC [-] | [14:48] |
kakobrekla | rally | [14:49] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 75 @ 0.004 = 0.3 BTC [-] | [14:49] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.749999 BTC [+] | [14:49] |
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thestringpuller | ;;ticker | [15:02] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 96.31000, Best ask: 96.44638, Bid-ask spread: 0.13638, Last trade: 96.44638, 24 hour volume: 32642.44526573, 24 hour low: 91.00000, 24 hour high: 96.75001, 24 hour vwap: 93.54613 | [15:02] |
kakobrekla | 97 | [15:04] |
pizzaman1337 | I guess everyone's wire transfers are clearing? | [15:05] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.2899 BTC [+] | [15:05] |
mircea_popescu | must be hehe | [15:05] |
kakobrekla | its holiday here | [15:06] |
kakobrekla | no transfers to bitstamp today | [15:06] |
kakobrekla | dunno for the rest of yurop | [15:06] |
kakobrekla | they will be fucked tomorrow | [15:07] |
kakobrekla | 98 | [15:07] |
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pizzaman1337 | ;;ticker | [15:07] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 97.97000, Best ask: 98.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.03000, Last trade: 98.00000, 24 hour volume: 32642.44526573, 24 hour low: 91.00000, 24 hour high: 96.75001, 24 hour vwap: 93.54613 | [15:07] |
kakobrekla | ticker is late | [15:07] |
assbot | [MPEX] [O.USD.P200T] 1000 @ 1.14429181 = 1144.2918 BTC [-] | [15:07] |
kakobrekla | i looking at socket via moody | [15:07] |
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pizzaman1337 | ;;ticker --websocket | [15:07] |
gribble | (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX]) -- Return pretty-printed mtgox ticker. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure that the three letter code you enter is a valid (1 more message) | [15:07] |
mircea_popescu | lol ouch | [15:07] |
pizzaman1337 | :P | [15:07] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [O.USD.C098T] 1000 @ 0.22316625 = 223.1663 BTC [+] | [15:08] |
assbot | [MPEX] [O.USD.C095T] 1000 @ 0.23774495 = 237.745 BTC | [15:08] |
mircea_popescu | !ticker m ^oix | [15:09] |
assbot | [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 86.04499804 / 97.29593865 / 133.95274683 (7085 shares, 4,050.18 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC) | [15:09] |
mircea_popescu | Average Transaction 59.98743815 BTC | [15:10] |
KRS1 | when to sell? 100 might trigger -10%? | [15:10] |
mircea_popescu | dude srlsy... i gotta raise the reg fee. | [15:10] |
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mircea_popescu | ;;later tell bugpowder : here's an idea : make hashing processors out of dragonfly brains. | [15:15] |
gribble | The operation succeeded. | [15:15] |
assbot | [MPEX] [O.USD.C095T] 40 @ 0.23959342 = 9.5837 BTC [+] | [15:16] |
ThickAsThieves | ;;ticker | [15:17] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 97.50000, Best ask: 97.79855, Bid-ask spread: 0.29855, Last trade: 97.79855, 24 hour volume: 35881.21447432, 24 hour low: 91.00000, 24 hour high: 98.10000, 24 hour vwap: 93.88708 | [15:17] |
ThickAsThieves | ;;bc,stats | [15:17] |
gribble | Current Blocks: 229120 | Current Difficulty: 6695826.282596251 | Next Difficulty At Block: 229823 | Next Difficulty In: 703 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 13 hours, 38 minutes, and 40 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 7622306.53365 | Estimated Percent Change: 13.83668 | [15:18] |
ThickAsThieves | rising pretty briskly | [15:18] |
ThickAsThieves | ;;estimate | [15:18] |
gribble | Next difficulty estimate | 7622306.53365 based on data since last change | 8365365.88258 based on data for last three days | [15:18] |
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ChaangNoi | ;;asks 99.99 | [15:22] |
gribble | There are currently 8305.4313 bitcoins offered at or under 99.99 USD, worth 822387.920549 USD in total. | Data vintage: 17.7274 seconds | [15:22] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.0006 = 1.44 BTC [-] | [15:28] |
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Bugpowder | bitcoinity lol | [15:30] |
ChaangNoi | http://slashdot.org/submission/2576047/mtgox-to-accept-litecoin-virtual-currency oh wow | [15:30] |
Bugpowder | watchout, its April 1 | [15:31] |
ThickAsThieves | lol | [15:31] |
Bugpowder | people could lose money speculative buying on that news | [15:31] |
ChaangNoi | :) | [15:31] |
kakobrekla | ohh | [15:31] |
kakobrekla | so that killed the bibet | [15:31] |
kakobrekla | makes perfect sense now | [15:32] |
ThickAsThieves | https://data.mtgox.com/api/2/LTCUSD/money/ticker | [15:32] |
KRS1 | so watch for quick rises in btc? | [15:32] |
KRS1 | maybe? | [15:32] |
ChaangNoi | im not so sure its a joke | [15:33] |
Bugpowder | yeah not sure either | [15:33] |
Bugpowder | April 1 is really a terrible day to issue real press releases though | [15:33] |
ChaangNoi | well, its not like gox did | [15:33] |
KRS1 | idk..Submitted by Anonymous Coward | [15:33] |
ChaangNoi | i know who submited it, he thinks its nt a joke | [15:34] |
ChaangNoi | but he could have been tricked by the org source | [15:34] |
ChaangNoi | anyway if true... | [15:34] |
ThickAsThieves | youll be even richer, we know ;) | [15:34] |
ChaangNoi | i could see $10ltc soon easy | [15:34] |
ChaangNoi | well, if true $1 ltc is cheap | [15:35] |
ChaangNoi | id like to make sure however before trading on this news | [15:35] |
kakobrekla | yes sell all btc asap | [15:36] |
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Bugpowder | ;;bids 0 | [15:36] |
KRS1 | what | [15:36] |
gribble | There are currently 34850658 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 9905365.67608 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0091 seconds | [15:36] |
KRS1 | srsly | [15:36] |
ColdHardMetal | I di quitel ike this thing though: http://www.listentobitcoin.com/ | [15:37] |
ChaangNoi | https://data.mtgox.com/api/2/LTCEUR/money/ticker | [15:37] |
ChaangNoi | CHM neat | [15:38] |
Bugpowder | yeah was listenitng last night, wish there was some correlation between exchange price direction and the sounds, would be much nicer to listen to than clark moody | [15:39] |
Bugpowder | 100 is going down today | [15:39] |
Bugpowder | as I suspected... | [15:40] |
bitesak | ;;ticker | [15:40] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 98.00000, Best ask: 98.19999, Bid-ask spread: 0.19999, Last trade: 98.19999, 24 hour volume: 38061.25816406, 24 hour low: 91.00000, 24 hour high: 98.39650, 24 hour vwap: 94.10042 | [15:41] |
ChaangNoi | wonder if i should order some champagne | [15:41] |
error4733 | is on the fridge from last week | [15:42] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2200 @ 0.00395455 = 8.7 BTC [-] | [15:42] |
error4733 | srsly | [15:42] |
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ChaangNoi | mine is too, but now traveling | [15:44] |
ChaangNoi | i have two bots in the truck as well but its very hot now | [15:45] |
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KRS1 | its gone down a bit on god | [15:48] |
KRS1 | gox | [15:48] |
KRS1 | not sure what to think here | [15:48] |
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Bugpowder | 4 hours we will be thru 100... | [15:49] |
Bugpowder | guess | [15:49] |
bitesak | my pendulum says Wednesday is when we break through 100 strongly :) | [15:50] |
Bugpowder | is possible | [15:53] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.35 = 1.05 BTC [-] | [15:53] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.38 BTC [+] | [15:53] |
Bugpowder | "One popular theory among Russian bloggers speculates that Nakamoto is Grigory Perelman" | [15:56] |
Bugpowder | Hadn't heard that theory before | [15:56] |
Bugpowder | as if Grigory gives 1 shit about the real world... | [15:57] |
ThickAsThieves | getting ready to break ATH | [15:59] |
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bitesak | ;;ticker | [16:00] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 98.00001, Best ask: 98.00002, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 98.30000, 24 hour volume: 38913.06244008, 24 hour low: 91.00000, 24 hour high: 98.41000, 24 hour vwap: 94.18840 | [16:00] |
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Bugpowder | ;;bids 0 | [16:01] |
gribble | There are currently 34850576 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 10026671.1919 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0091 seconds | [16:01] |
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ChaangNoi | ColdHardMetal Ready for 2 million Best Korians to come for a visit? :) | [16:05] |
ColdHardMetal | not worried in the slightest. | [16:07] |
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ChaangNoi | he just be trollin? | [16:10] |
ChaangNoi | http://www.google.co.uk/intl/en/landing/nose/ | [16:10] |
mircea_popescu | Bugpowder im pretty sure it's not perelman | [16:10] |
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KRS1 | wtf |
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KRS1 | what is wrong with some people..idk maybe its me | [16:14] |
assbot | [MPEX] [O.USD.C104T] 200 @ 0.19960593 = 39.9212 BTC | [16:14] |
pgp | not a very glowing reception of bitcoin - http://www.businessinsider.com/is-bitcoin-money-2013-4 | [16:15] |
KRS1 | i dont think it can be used as money..how would the transactions keep up at that rate..ex. transactional data from just amex alone would choke the network | [16:17] |
KRS1 | maybe a financial tool yes | [16:17] |
KRS1 | facilitate transfer of wealth..idk | [16:18] |
pgp | well, I see money laundering a big red flag that detractors can use... | [16:18] |
KRS1 | yeah..its been used as that since day 1 prolly | [16:19] |
pgp | the question is will the US make some illegal simply because there is no way to regulate it? | [16:19] |
mircea_popescu | pgp there is no such thing as "money laundering". | [16:19] |
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pgp | not in bitcoin terms, I suppose not... a transfer is a transfer... | [16:20] |
mircea_popescu | yup | [16:20] |
mircea_popescu | pecunia non olet. | [16:20] |
mircea_popescu | actually... http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/time-for-europe-to-repeal-the-us-backed-aml-crap/ | [16:20] |
pgp | in pecunium veritas? | [16:22] |
mircea_popescu | that may be taking it a little too far. | [16:23] |
pgp | lol | [16:25] |
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ChaangNoi | ;;asks 99.999 | [16:26] |
gribble | There are currently 7047.7282 bitcoins offered at or under 99.999 USD, worth 698874.017257 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0017 seconds | [16:26] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [O.USD.C098T] 1000 @ 0.226871 = 226.871 BTC [+] | [16:30] |
ThickAsThieves | ;;calc 98/(1-.226871) | [16:31] |
gribble | 126.757630357 | [16:31] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.0006 = 7.02 BTC [-] | [16:31] |
ChaangNoi | 126 :) im sure we will be there by the end of the month | [16:32] |
mircea_popescu | maybe so | [16:33] |
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thestringpuller | !ticker HIM | [16:34] |
assbot | Are you sure you have no tobacco? | [16:34] |
thestringpuller | !ticker h HIM | [16:34] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK:HIM] 1D: 2.00000000 / 2.00913043 / 2.06000000 (46 shares, 92.42000000 BTC), 7D: 1.41000000 / 1.79383584 / 2.08000000 (226 shares, 405.40690096 BTC), 30D: 1.40000000 / 1.78069269 / 2.08000000 (759 shares, 1351.54575265 BTC) | [16:34] |
ThickAsThieves | 98.7 | [16:35] |
thestringpuller | ;;seen smickles | [16:35] |
gribble | smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 hours, 58 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: |
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ThickAsThieves | if burnside doesnt move my ltc for 6+ hours again i will be a sad panda, unless of course the delay stops me from selling off too early | [16:36] |
thestringpuller | why are people trading ltc? | [16:37] |
thestringpuller | Must be a lot like silver now | [16:37] |
ThickAsThieves | it's at 1.22USD right now | [16:38] |
ThickAsThieves | about double from a week ago | [16:38] |
pgp | what's the market cap of ltc? | [16:38] |
thestringpuller | couple million I would think at this point | [16:39] |
thestringpuller | ;;bc,24hprc | [16:39] |
gribble | Error: "bc,24hprc" is not a valid command. | [16:39] |
thestringpuller | ;;avg | [16:39] |
gribble | Error: "avg" is not a valid command. | [16:39] |
mircea_popescu | like 10mn ? | [16:39] |
thestringpuller | mircea_popescu: what is the new 24hr price command for gribble? | [16:40] |
thestringpuller | ;;seen nanotube | [16:40] |
gribble | nanotube was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 9 hours, 38 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: |
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ThickAsThieves | $avgpc | [16:40] |
mircea_popescu | i have no idea | [16:40] |
ThickAsThieves | :/ | [16:40] |
thestringpuller | $avgpc | [16:40] |
thestringpuller | ;;avgpc | [16:40] |
gribble | Error: "avgpc" is not a valid command. | [16:40] |
thestringpuller | ;;avgprc | [16:40] |
gribble | (avgprc |
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thestringpuller | ;;avgprc USD 24h | [16:40] |
gribble | 94.32 | [16:40] |
ThickAsThieves | $avg | [16:40] |
mpexbot | ThickAsThieves: 94.32 | [16:40] |
thestringpuller | ;;ticker | [16:40] |
ThickAsThieves | there it is | [16:40] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 98.77000, Best ask: 98.81000, Bid-ask spread: 0.04000, Last trade: 98.81000, 24 hour volume: 40195.63814671, 24 hour low: 91.00000, 24 hour high: 98.79000, 24 hour vwap: 94.41626 | [16:41] |
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jurov | 99 | [16:45] |
ThickAsThieves | mircea_popescu, how do I know what the top payout is for an IDIFF I purchased? | [16:45] |
mircea_popescu | the top you don't know. you know what the bottom is. | [16:45] |
ChaangNoi | here comes 100 | [16:45] |
ThickAsThieves | is there a minimum % required? | [16:45] |
ThickAsThieves | if i buy at .13, top could be .131 then? | [16:46] |
jurov | 99.1 ... wonder what bitcoinity has in store for 100 | [16:46] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves : from the page | [16:46] |
mircea_popescu | Unlike other futures X.IDIFF.* will require 2.9x the difficulty at last settlement for each quarter out, so for instance if traded in January 2013 X.IDIFF.MAR will require 0.097735278 BTC per contract as collateral whereas X.IDIFF.DEC will require 2.383665695 BTC per contract as collateral (all numeric examples based on 3370182 as last settlement difficulty value). | [16:47] |
mircea_popescu | if it's current period, 2.9x | [16:47] |
mircea_popescu | if it's 9 months+ away, 2.9**4x | [16:47] |
jurov | ;;calc 2.9*0.048 | [16:47] |
gribble | 0.1392 | [16:47] |
ThickAsThieves | so the JUNE would require 2.9x the sale price? | [16:47] |
jurov | ^ should not be lower than that | [16:47] |
ThickAsThieves | oh | [16:47] |
jurov | not sale price. 2.9*current difficulty | [16:48] |
ThickAsThieves | not current, but most recently settled | [16:48] |
jurov | ic | [16:48] |
mircea_popescu | last settlement yes | [16:48] |
ThickAsThieves | that's a lil gay | [16:48] |
mircea_popescu | why ? | [16:48] |
thestringpuller | so the difficulty based on futures is going to speculated to be betwen 8.9mn and 45mn.... | [16:49] |
jurov | 99.9 | [16:49] |
ThickAsThieves | cuz i bougth june at 0.1375 yesterday | [16:49] |
ThickAsThieves | so now i'm stuck giving someone a cheap loan | [16:49] |
mircea_popescu | i don't follow. | [16:50] |
ThickAsThieves | my max payout is potentially only 1.22% profit | [16:50] |
ThickAsThieves | for 2mos | [16:51] |
ThickAsThieves | correct? | [16:51] |
assbot | [MPEX] [O.USD.C095T] 100 @ 0.2437597 = 24.376 BTC [+] | [16:51] |
mircea_popescu | a, possibly. | [16:51] |
mircea_popescu | much more concerning would be the possibility diff doesn't go over 13.75mn by july tho | [16:51] |
thestringpuller | why are people buying options so early | [16:51] |
jonny7 | 99.95 :) | [16:51] |
ThickAsThieves | top liability should be disclosed | [16:51] |
thestringpuller | ;;ticker | [16:51] |
mircea_popescu | 25 days out is early ?! | [16:51] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 99.01000, Best ask: 99.90000, Bid-ask spread: 0.89000, Last trade: 99.95156, 24 hour volume: 44641.62362351, 24 hour low: 91.00000, 24 hour high: 99.95000, 24 hour vwap: 94.89046 | [16:52] |
thestringpuller | Yea mang | [16:52] |
thestringpuller | where is smickles when this action is going on | [16:52] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves minimal coverage is discolosed tho, that's what that contract is there for. | [16:52] |
thestringpuller | I need to interface with his bot | [16:52] |
thestringpuller | $avg | [16:52] |
mpexbot | thestringpuller: 94.69 | [16:52] |
ChaangNoi | ;;asks 99.9 | [16:53] |
ThickAsThieves | yes, but my bull-in-china-shop approach to things doesn't jive with reading things closely sometimes :/ | [16:53] |
gribble | There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 99.9 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. | Data vintage: 75.3115 seconds | [16:53] |
thestringpuller | ;;ticker | [16:53] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 99.01000, Best ask: 99.90000, Bid-ask spread: 0.89000, Last trade: 99.01000, 24 hour volume: 44641.62362351, 24 hour low: 91.00000, 24 hour high: 99.95000, 24 hour vwap: 94.89046 | [16:53] |
ThickAsThieves | if the top liability was disclosed it would allow for better offers as well | [16:54] |
ThickAsThieves | rather than a minimum | [16:54] |
mircea_popescu | thanks to bug's support tesla is about to buy apple :D | [16:54] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves ya well, there's no practical way to disclose top exposure tho. | [16:54] |
ThickAsThieves | add a field for it? | [16:55] |
thestringpuller | mircea_popescu: now is the time to sell options | [16:55] |
ThickAsThieves | not to mess with your craiglist approach to feature development or anything :P | [16:55] |
thestringpuller | buy them toward the end based on the fact the time factor plays a huge role in the pricing | [16:55] |
mircea_popescu | thestringpuller perhaps. | [16:56] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves it's not just a simple matter of a field. | [16:56] |
ThickAsThieves | oh i know | [16:56] |
ThickAsThieves | it's probably also not a a matter of brain surgery | [16:56] |
mircea_popescu | think about it : today someone makes a 4 quarters out option | [16:56] |
mircea_popescu | he has to pay 70x last settlement in collateral. | [16:57] |
mircea_popescu | two quarters pass. diff goes up only 100% | [16:57] |
mircea_popescu | now, somebody wants to make 1000 options. | [16:57] |
mircea_popescu | if he has to pay 70x this is absurd | [16:57] |
mircea_popescu | if he pays less it dillutes the original. | [16:57] |
ThickAsThieves | they could simply be written as offer price, max payout price, with no relation to past settlements, no? | [16:58] |
mircea_popescu | no. | [16:58] |
mircea_popescu | because executions must be allocated uniformly to old and new contracts. | [16:59] |
ThickAsThieves | if i resell these at .15 and theyre original top is .139, what happens for the new buyer? | [16:59] |
ThickAsThieves | their* | [17:00] |
mircea_popescu | he makes .139 if he exercises. | [17:00] |
ThickAsThieves | si it's possible for me to sell at a price that has 0% of profit | [17:00] |
mircea_popescu | sure. | [17:00] |
ThickAsThieves | :/ | [17:00] |
mircea_popescu | it's possible for you to sell at any price you wish, | [17:00] |
mircea_popescu | as long as someone accepts it | [17:01] |
ThickAsThieves | hehe | [17:01] |
ThickAsThieves | i mean i understand it, but really i dont | [17:01] |
mircea_popescu | lol that's a new one | [17:01] |
mircea_popescu | let's go through a full example. | [17:01] |
ThickAsThieves | sure | [17:02] |
mircea_popescu | today is april 1st. the last settlement was 7mn. | [17:02] |
ThickAsThieves | lets use my example if possible | [17:02] |
ThickAsThieves | Buy X.IDIFF.JUN 60 0.1375 -8.25 | [17:02] |
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mircea_popescu | if you create one X.IDIFF.MAR future, you will have to pay 2.9**4*.07 as collateral. | [17:02] |
mircea_popescu | ;;calc 2.9**4*.07 | [17:02] |
gribble | 4.950967 | [17:02] |
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mircea_popescu | so you deposit 4.95btc, get your X.IDIFF.MAR. | [17:02] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.44699999 = 3.129 BTC [+] | [17:03] |
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mircea_popescu | now, nothing happens until February 2014. | [17:03] |
mircea_popescu | at which point last settlement diff is 16mn. | [17:03] |
mircea_popescu | how much should someone have to pay per option at that date ? | [17:03] |
mircea_popescu | as collateral, to create one i mean. | [17:03] |
Bugpowdurr | ;;bids | [17:03] |
gribble | (bids [--under]
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Bugpowdurr | ;;bids 0 | [17:03] |
gribble | There are currently 34918304 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 10082902.8829 USD in total. | Data vintage: 74.5978 seconds | [17:03] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.447 = 1.341 BTC [+] | [17:05] |
ChaangNoi | some sill bear is making a new wall lol | [17:05] |
ThickAsThieves | 46400000? | [17:05] |
mircea_popescu | how did you figure ? | [17:05] |
ThickAsThieves | 16mil times 2.9 | [17:05] |
mircea_popescu | okay. | [17:05] |
mircea_popescu | now if you had bought a contract back in july thinking it's 4.95 covered | [17:06] |
mircea_popescu | and someone makes a contract now which is 0.46 covered | [17:06] |
jurov | 100 | [17:06] |
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mircea_popescu | you will only get ~half of what you originally thought you will get. | [17:06] |
ChaangNoi | fuck yeah | [17:06] |
ChaangNoi | muhahaha | [17:06] |
pgp | congrats everyone | [17:06] |
ThickAsThieves | what i meant was | [17:06] |
ColdHardMetal | bitcoinity bringing the lulz today. | [17:07] |
ThickAsThieves | if the futures were simply offered under simpler terms at will, wouldnt that still work | [17:07] |
ThickAsThieves | as in, | [17:07] |
ThickAsThieves | i make one anytime i want for any amount, covered to any man payout i want | [17:07] |
ThickAsThieves | man=max | [17:07] |
mircea_popescu | so what's the buyer buy ? | [17:07] |
ThickAsThieves | for example | [17:07] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2850 @ 0.004 = 11.4 BTC [+] | [17:08] |
mircea_popescu | no example. if you make contracvts any way you want, what's the buyer supposed to buy ? | [17:08] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00352101 = 7.042 BTC [-] | [17:08] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1500 @ 0.003521 = 5.2815 BTC [-] | [17:08] |
ChaangNoi | 4k buy order at 100 nice | [17:08] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 43 @ 0.00351201 = 0.151 BTC [-] | [17:08] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.0032101 = 3.2101 BTC [-] | [17:08] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 18408 @ 0.00310002 = 57.0652 BTC [-] | [17:08] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 6386 @ 0.00310002 = 19.7967 BTC [-] | [17:08] |
ChaangNoi | that wall wont last long | [17:08] |
mircea_popescu | they obviously become unfungible now. | [17:08] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3000 @ 0.00310001 = 9.3 BTC [-] | [17:08] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 7125 @ 0.0031 = 22.0875 BTC [-] | [17:08] |
assbot | [MPEX] [O.USD.C104T] 643 @ 0.20288146 = 130.4528 BTC [+] | [17:08] |
ThickAsThieves | i put up collateral for my max payout | [17:08] |
ThickAsThieves | and make offer below that | [17:08] |
ThickAsThieves | and disclose max payout | [17:08] |
ThickAsThieves | then buyer decides value | [17:09] |
pgp | now what? | [17:09] |
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ThickAsThieves | like Jurov's | [17:09] |
mircea_popescu | so each and every single contract has to be specified independently. | [17:09] |
mircea_popescu | that's not how standardized contracts work. | [17:09] |
ThickAsThieves | you could have limits if you like | [17:09] |
mircea_popescu | i do like, and i do have limits. | [17:09] |
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mircea_popescu | that's exactly it : you know you won't get less than x. | [17:10] |
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jurov | okay at least could be authoritatively shown | [17:10] |
jurov | beacuse last settlement was not 0.07 iirc | [17:10] |
jurov | but 0.048 | [17:10] |
ThickAsThieves | okay but right now no one can offer a reasonable IDIFF for June right? | [17:10] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves why not ? | [17:11] |
mircea_popescu | jurov yeah but mpex is not a datasource. | [17:11] |
ThickAsThieves | because odds are that the diff will be much higher than your minimum payout | [17:11] |
ChaangNoi | ;;asks 100.1 | [17:11] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves higher than ~12mn ? | [17:11] |
jurov | yes mpex is do ur own research | [17:11] |
gribble | There are currently 1143.0168 bitcoins offered at or under 100.1 USD, worth 114294.520819 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0008 seconds | [17:11] |
mircea_popescu | jurov like, if you don't know what btc/usd is you can't trade options | [17:11] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.4216 = 1.2648 BTC [-] | [17:12] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.4215005 BTC [-] | [17:12] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.42150003 = 2.529 BTC [-] | [17:12] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.42150001 BTC [-] | [17:12] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 11 @ 0.421 = 4.631 BTC [-] | [17:12] |
mircea_popescu | if you don't know what diff was you can't trade futures | [17:12] |
mircea_popescu | etc. | [17:12] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.42 = 2.1 BTC [-] | [17:12] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.41 = 4.1 BTC [-] | [17:12] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.40678129 BTC [-] | [17:12] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.40005 = 1.6002 BTC [-] | [17:12] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 31 @ 0.40000001 = 12.4 BTC [-] | [17:12] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.4 BTC [-] | [17:12] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.397 BTC [-] | [17:12] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.396 = 1.98 BTC [-] | [17:12] |
ThickAsThieves | ;;estimate | [17:12] |
assbot | [MPEX] [O.USD.C104T] 7 @ 0.20551087 = 1.4386 BTC [+] | [17:12] |
gribble | Next difficulty estimate | 7647329.85957 based on data since last change | 8527812.32019 based on data for last three days | [17:12] |
ThickAsThieves | 8.5mil coming up | [17:12] |
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Bugpowdurr | ;;bids 0 | [17:12] |
gribble | There are currently 35118439 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 9804244.95426 USD in total. | Data vintage: 57.1263 seconds | [17:12] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves obviously it's a trade-off. 2.9 might not be optimal in some fringe cases | [17:12] |
jurov | mircea_popescu but you know now how easy is to get false information | [17:12] |
ThickAsThieves | so idiff June at 14mil is useless | [17:13] |
mircea_popescu | but otherwise it imposes a capital burden on underwriters. so it is guesswork | [17:13] |
mircea_popescu | jurov how do you mean ? | [17:13] |
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jurov | you just shoot the 0.07 number which isn't true | [17:13] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves hopefully the network stabilises and we'll be fine. | [17:13] |
jurov | if you don't know it, who can? | [17:13] |
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mircea_popescu | jurov i was giving a didactic example. | [17:13] |
mircea_popescu | i wasn't proposing it's actual case. | [17:13] |
mircea_popescu | just came up with some numbers. | [17:13] |
jurov | well, certain MPBPT investors almost felt liek lynching me cuz such "examples" | [17:14] |
jurov | better clearly mark them | [17:14] |
ThickAsThieves | do you agree that the odds of IDIFFJUN closing at any sort of profit are nigh impossible? | [17:15] |
jurov | okay, not to get flamey, for public record: | [17:15] |
jurov | March settlement was 0.04847647 | [17:15] |
jurov | so minimal JUN collateral is | [17:15] |
jurov | ;;calc 0.04847647*2.9 | [17:15] |
gribble | 0.140581763 | [17:15] |
ThickAsThieves | why offer options that are born to lose? | [17:16] |
pizzaman1337 | zomg, bitcoin 100 | [17:16] |
pizzaman1337 | ;;ticker | [17:17] |
pgp | here come the post 100 froth... | [17:17] |
ZedsterX | 101 like a shot | [17:17] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 100.00000, Best ask: 100.90000, Bid-ask spread: 0.90000, Last trade: 99.98000, 24 hour volume: 53736.31362686, 24 hour low: 91.00000, 24 hour high: 100.00000, 24 hour vwap: 95.75237 | [17:17] |
Bugpowdurr | my iphone ticker cant display the price?? | [17:17] |
jurov | maximal collateral would be | [17:18] |
jurov | ;;calc 2.9*2.9*2.9*0.01137814 | [17:18] |
gribble | 0.27750145646 | [17:18] |
mircea_popescu | Bugpowdurr ahaha | [17:18] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves i have no idea. prolly, if any serious hash is delivered. | [17:18] |
jurov | if i'm taking September 19 into account | [17:18] |
Bugpowdurr | stuck at 99.98 | [17:18] |
ThickAsThieves | so my point is, change your system to one that works | [17:19] |
ThickAsThieves | in the real world | [17:19] |
ThickAsThieves | rather than just on paper | [17:19] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves listen : i could make minimum collateral 1000x. | [17:19] |
mircea_popescu | then the system "would work" in all fringe cases, except nobody will depost 1k btc for a 1btc contract | [17:19] |
mircea_popescu | so it wouldn't work at all. | [17:19] |
ThickAsThieves | you are jumping to extremes | [17:19] |
mircea_popescu | of course i am. this is exactly what we have here, an extreme | [17:20] |
ThickAsThieves | there's lotsa room in the middle | [17:20] |
mircea_popescu | ie, a case where diff increases > 3x during 3 months. this isn't normal. | [17:20] |
ThickAsThieves | it's normal all year most likely | [17:20] |
ThickAsThieves | would you prefer the futures be useless all year? | [17:20] |
mircea_popescu | i'm not increasing collateral maargin for the simple reason that even as it is underwriting is dismal. | [17:21] |
mircea_popescu | so it'd be pointless pretty much. | [17:21] |
jurov | for me it would be sufficient if mp publishes basic data, like past settlement values or option autoexercise vwap prices | [17:21] |
jurov | or if that's beyond mpex mission, then don't show dividends either | [17:21] |
ThickAsThieves | just feels stubborn to me, you could be offering a feature that people would use much more | [17:21] |
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mircea_popescu | jurov dividends are shown as the sum of div transactions in mpex. | [17:21] |
ChaangNoi | ;;asks 110 | [17:21] |
gribble | There are currently 8865.2797 bitcoins offered at or under 110.0 USD, worth 940190.755187 USD in total. | Data vintage: 5.5899 seconds | [17:22] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves you are not reading it seems. CURRENTLY, at 2.9x, NOBODY is underwrtiting it. | [17:22] |
mircea_popescu | if it were 3.1x, even less than nobody would be underwriting it. | [17:22] |
mircea_popescu | do you follow that ? | [17:22] |
ThickAsThieves | you are interpreting my solution as only a change in min collateral | [17:22] |
ThickAsThieves | i never suggested that | [17:23] |
ThickAsThieves | you did | [17:23] |
mircea_popescu | ok, well... the other thing i got was "make each idifff a different, user specified contract" | [17:23] |
mircea_popescu | this doesn't work, because market traded contracts have to be standardised. | [17:23] |
mircea_popescu | ie, all the same. | [17:23] |
ThickAsThieves | at the core, what i'm syaing is, make them usable | [17:23] |
mircea_popescu | that's like saying grow tits. | [17:23] |
ThickAsThieves | lol | [17:23] |
mircea_popescu | or you know, make pigs fly. | [17:24] |
mircea_popescu | sure, why not. | [17:24] |
ThickAsThieves | not quite | [17:24] |
mircea_popescu | well ? | [17:24] |
ThickAsThieves | then why do jurov's work fine? | [17:24] |
ThickAsThieves | he has extra tits? | [17:24] |
jurov | cuz i'm using abhorrent practice of magic numbers | [17:24] |
bitesak | ;;ticker | [17:24] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 100.98001, Best ask: 101.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.01999, Last trade: 101.00000, 24 hour volume: 54713.02069310, 24 hour low: 91.00000, 24 hour high: 101.00000, 24 hour vwap: 95.83748 | [17:25] |
jurov | and also marketmaking them | [17:25] |
mircea_popescu | define "Work fine" in this context | [17:25] |
ThickAsThieves | they use a price that is reasonable, for a potential payout that is reasonable | [17:26] |
mircea_popescu | can you underwrite some with jurov and sell them to him ? | [17:26] |
ThickAsThieves | if i asked him maybe | [17:26] |
mircea_popescu | without asking him. | [17:26] |
mircea_popescu | through a process. | [17:26] |
mircea_popescu | otherwise this is simply an otc trade. | [17:26] |
ThickAsThieves | ok, you need a NEW process | [17:26] |
mircea_popescu | no. i have a process, he is doing otc. | [17:27] |
mircea_popescu | this is perfectly fine, but they are different things. | [17:27] |
ThickAsThieves | for example, you could say DIFF futures can be written at any price, but you must offer 125% collateral for potential profit of buyer | [17:27] |
ThickAsThieves | you can still limit close dates | [17:27] |
ThickAsThieves | and increments | [17:27] |
mircea_popescu | 125% OF WHAT. | [17:27] |
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ThickAsThieves | underwriters chosen price | [17:27] |
mircea_popescu | ... | [17:27] |
jurov | that's a point. but converting it into a process would be easy if ukto makes apis public. | [17:27] |
mircea_popescu | so if you choose 1 satoshi ? | [17:28] |
jurov | the conditions are clear. | [17:28] |
ThickAsThieves | then no one will buy | [17:28] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.2899 = 0.5798 BTC [+] | [17:28] |
mircea_popescu | you're not thinking very well. | [17:28] |
mircea_popescu | he makes the chosen price 1 satoshi, deposts 1.25 satoshi per | [17:28] |
mircea_popescu | then sells them for .05 btc each and withdraws. | [17:28] |
ThickAsThieves | no | [17:28] |
mircea_popescu | you've just made mpex bankrupt. | [17:28] |
ThickAsThieves | no | [17:28] |
ThickAsThieves | sells them for 1 satishi | [17:28] |
mircea_popescu | so what, if he cancels the bid the futures dissapear from his account ? | [17:29] |
ThickAsThieves | so you make the minimum price the current diff | [17:29] |
mircea_popescu | o i see. | [17:29] |
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mircea_popescu | well here's the beauty : this is already implemented. | [17:29] |
mircea_popescu | he has to deposit 290% of the PREVIOUS DIFF | [17:29] |
mircea_popescu | bam. | [17:29] |
ThickAsThieves | previous = current now? | [17:29] |
ThickAsThieves | nope | [17:30] |
mircea_popescu | last settlement. | [17:30] |
deadweasel | ;;ticker | [17:30] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 101.05100, Best ask: 101.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.44900, Last trade: 101.05100, 24 hour volume: 56319.87614438, 24 hour low: 91.00000, 24 hour high: 101.00000, 24 hour vwap: 95.98390 | [17:30] |
ThickAsThieves | why does last settlement matter to anyone? | [17:30] |
deadweasel | boom. triple digits. | [17:30] |
mircea_popescu | yay | [17:30] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves that's how futurtes work. settlement to settlement. | [17:30] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 5 @ 0.15299 = 0.765 BTC [+] | [17:30] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 8 @ 0.153 = 1.224 BTC [+] | [17:30] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.154 BTC [+] | [17:30] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 6 @ 0.155 = 0.93 BTC [+] | [17:30] |
ThickAsThieves | it's okay, i see your take on it, and wanting to use hard numbers, but all i'm trying to do is get you to open the idea of finding a formula that is more likely to be useful in the current environment | [17:31] |
jurov | i don't see a problem with formula | [17:31] |
jurov | just that it needs research what the previous settlements were | [17:32] |
ThickAsThieves | how would you change it | [17:32] |
jurov | then investor comes to result that it's covered somewhere between 0.14 and 0.27 | [17:32] |
jurov | then asks mp, how much it is exactly, mp refuses | [17:33] |
jurov | so investor goes away | [17:33] |
jurov | unnecessarily complicated process, i say | [17:33] |
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ThickAsThieves | man, those sure are some cheap IDIFFJUN futures listed, someone should snatch them up | [17:34] |
jurov | just cuz "mpex isnt data platform" | [17:34] |
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jurov | or perhaps mp expects someone other do do all the computations and dirty work, but that isn't working | [17:37] |
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jurov | few fools are willing to invest into anything mpex-related | [17:37] |
jborkl | micrea_popescu, can I get a deposit cleared | [17:37] |
ThickAsThieves | litecoin singularity | [17:39] |
ThickAsThieves | .0145 BTC/LTC | [17:39] |
ChaangNoi | yeah | [17:40] |
ChaangNoi | it is awesomely insane | [17:40] |
mircea_popescu | deposits flushed. | [17:40] |
mircea_popescu | jurov i don't think that's particularly fair. | [17:40] |
jborkl | Thanks | [17:40] |
mircea_popescu | for one settlement was announced in here when it happened. | [17:40] |
ChaangNoi | ltc goes from 5 cents to $1.40 in no time | [17:40] |
mircea_popescu | for the other, just read the graph wtf. | [17:40] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 5 @ 0.00401 = 0.0201 BTC [+] | [17:40] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 53 @ 0.004005 = 0.2123 BTC [-] | [17:40] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 815 @ 0.004 = 3.26 BTC [-] | [17:40] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 99 @ 0.004 = 0.396 BTC [-] | [17:40] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves the 15.8mn ? so get them | [17:41] |
ThickAsThieves | they are worthless no? | [17:41] |
ThickAsThieves | well, worth less | [17:42] |
ThickAsThieves | right? | [17:42] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.74996 BTC [-] | [17:43] |
ThickAsThieves | their max payout is last settlement * 2.9, which is < the sell price | [17:43] |
jurov | i know i'm unfair and disgruntled sometimes... but you seem really to have a problem even to hire PR and evangelist | [17:43] |
mircea_popescu | jurov how is this my problem you figure ? | [17:44] |
jurov | as as a someone who tried to "evangelize" MPEx i think i know why | [17:44] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 6300 @ 0.00367331 = 23.1419 BTC [+] | [17:44] |
mircea_popescu | you go to finance conferences ?! | [17:44] |
jurov | not, just some meetings | [17:45] |
mircea_popescu | kay... | [17:45] |
mircea_popescu | so what do you know ? | [17:45] |
pizzaman1337 | ;;goxlag | [17:45] |
gribble | 73.292636 seconds | [17:45] |
jurov | well, i explain what i'm doing, what is mpex | [17:45] |
jurov | dig some links deep from trilema, praying they don't hit the paywall | [17:46] |
jurov | am asked to explain who is this mircea popescu again, i handwave it | [17:46] |
jurov | then they find out about MPOE-PR :) | [17:47] |
jurov | or even if they can get past her | [17:47] |
jurov | "what? so all there is is option speculation, betting site and casino?" | [17:48] |
pizzaman1337 | lol | [17:48] |
pizzaman1337 | idiff | [17:48] |
jurov | i know it's unfair judgement, but i just aren;t apt enough to explain past that point | [17:48] |
mircea_popescu | who are these people ? | [17:48] |
jurov | not bankers. managers of small/medium IT companies | [17:49] |
jurov | but it don't think bankers would be much different even if i could reach them | [17:49] |
pizzaman1337 | ;;ticker | [17:50] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 103.90000, Best ask: 104.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 103.90000, 24 hour volume: 60517.76520989, 24 hour low: 91.00000, 24 hour high: 104.00000, 24 hour vwap: 96.47673 | [17:50] |
mircea_popescu | but i mean... | [17:50] |
pizzaman1337 | love this price action | [17:50] |
ChaangNoi | lol ltc not going to stop | [17:50] |
ThickAsThieves | chaang, the walls are being torn to bits! | [17:50] |
mircea_popescu | i read this and what i see is "i couldn't make people living in queens understand what the schmier is with stock options. i'm sure high powered executives would bne the same" | [17:51] |
mircea_popescu | what sense does that make | [17:51] |
jurov | okay, maybe thare is a big difference, i don't know | [17:51] |
jurov | just my small queens reality | [17:51] |
jurov | makes me bitter :( | [17:52] |
mircea_popescu | don't get bitter. | [17:52] |
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mircea_popescu | understand : the general public is very dangeours (chiefly to itself) in any sort of functionuing marketplace. | [17:53] |
mircea_popescu | we'll have to take them in slowly and selectively. | [17:53] |
jurov | it occurs to me you want to skip mass market completely and soar directly into high finance | [17:54] |
jurov | do you have previous experience with such? | [17:54] |
grubles | hundred dolla bill yo | [17:55] |
ThickAsThieves | ''ticker | [17:55] |
ThickAsThieves | ;;ticker | [17:56] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 103.47500, Best ask: 103.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.02500, Last trade: 103.50000, 24 hour volume: 60517.76520989, 24 hour low: 91.00000, 24 hour high: 104.00000, 24 hour vwap: 96.47673 | [17:56] |
mircea_popescu | there's no mass market of bitcoin securities ;/ | [17:56] |
mircea_popescu | and yes, but local and mostly unofficial. | [17:56] |
jurov | i mean, buffett can say "2.9x last settlement value" and everyone can easily look up authoritative source | [17:57] |
mircea_popescu | i admit the 2.9x is just some number i took out of my ass. | [17:57] |
mircea_popescu | (well, we had a board meeting, but anyway) | [17:58] |
mircea_popescu | what'd you want me do ? i can't increase it. | [17:58] |
jurov | they have something to bootfstrap from. but for bitcoin best i can find is some google spreadsheet of past difficulty values | [17:58] |
mircea_popescu | um | [17:58] |
mircea_popescu | there's sipa's thing no ? | [17:58] |
jurov | is he providing csv or like? | [17:58] |
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jurov | this by Stephen Gornick: https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?hl=en&hl=en&key=0AmcTCtjBoRWUdHVRMHpqWUJValI1RlZiaEtCT1RrQmc | [17:59] |
mircea_popescu | perhaps best to ask him, buit in general speaking the problems of access to market data | [17:59] |
mircea_popescu | while significant for a trading place, are NOT to be solved by the trading place itself. | [17:59] |
mircea_popescu | it's very important to have sepparate data feeds and trading, | [17:59] |
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mircea_popescu | because it insulates from market manipulation accusations. | [18:00] |
mircea_popescu | or in other words : my insistence in implementing correct designs or nothing at all, and decentralisations such as these may make me look like an idiot today | [18:01] |
mircea_popescu | but i'm pretty darned certain will save everyone a shitton of sweat, blood and tears in five years. | [18:01] |
ThickAsThieves | no data feed needed to fix diff futures | [18:01] |
ThickAsThieves | but they would indeed need more than a factor change | [18:02] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves you still haven't solidified your idea into something we can discuss tho. | [18:02] |
ThickAsThieves | what if you play devils advocate | [18:03] |
ThickAsThieves | and do better than me | [18:03] |
mircea_popescu | ya, see, this doesn't work as an approach. i mean it's prolly fine in middle school or w/e, but i'm not 14. | [18:03] |
ThickAsThieves | that matters? | [18:03] |
ThickAsThieves | this isnt school | [18:03] |
mircea_popescu | well yes, it does. if i had a better way i'd be doing it. | [18:03] |
mircea_popescu | what did you think ? | [18:03] |
ThickAsThieves | just a customer urging for evolution of your features and offers | [18:04] |
ThickAsThieves | so you are saying there is absolutely no room for improvement? | [18:04] |
mircea_popescu | that's fine, but it seems to me like a case of "you should improve your exchange so everybody makes money on all trades" | [18:04] |
ThickAsThieves | nah | [18:04] |
mircea_popescu | it's a nice sentiment, but fundamentally unworkable. | [18:04] |
ThickAsThieves | so they are desirable at all | [18:04] |
ThickAsThieves | i wanna be able to lose money and make moneyt | [18:04] |
jurov | ThickAsThieves what concrete improvement you desire? | [18:04] |
ThickAsThieves | rather than just lose money | [18:04] |
mircea_popescu | yeah, specify something i can follow. | [18:05] |
jurov | like I said concretely "publish last settlement values". | [18:05] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.38 = 0.76 BTC [+] | [18:05] |
ThickAsThieves | add a factor for volatility from one settlement to the next? | [18:05] |
ThickAsThieves | then you dont need outside data | [18:06] |
ThickAsThieves | but can stay more dynamic | [18:06] |
mircea_popescu | what's the 2.9x ? | [18:06] |
ThickAsThieves | arbitrary? | [18:06] |
mircea_popescu | yes, but is it a factor for volatility from one settlement to the next. | [18:06] |
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ThickAsThieves | use two settlements as data points | [18:06] |
ThickAsThieves | or 3 even | [18:06] |
mircea_popescu | why ? | [18:07] |
ThickAsThieves | to make your factor dynamic | [18:07] |
mircea_popescu | i mean i could use all 4 (barring the fact that currenlty we only have 1 anyway) | [18:07] |
mircea_popescu | and that may be a good idea, but won't really be worth discussing for about another year | [18:07] |
jurov | ThickAsThieves, that ould make sense only if there was some discernible trend | [18:07] |
mircea_popescu | jurov i think his presumption is that diff can not go down | [18:08] |
ThickAsThieves | no | [18:08] |
mircea_popescu | this is liable to be correct for as long as mining is still immature obviously. | [18:08] |
ThickAsThieves | i want a formula that is more representative of trend | [18:08] |
ChaangNoi | ;;asks 115 | [18:08] |
gribble | There are currently 11527.345 bitcoins offered at or under 115.0 USD, worth 1246988.35026 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0010 seconds | [18:08] |
ThickAsThieves | last settlement is not enough | [18:08] |
Bugpowdurr | ;;ticker | [18:09] |
jurov | ThickAsThieves, go make one yourself. you'll be rich | [18:09] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 100.10001, Best ask: 101.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.89999, Last trade: 100.10001, 24 hour volume: 65241.37945590, 24 hour low: 91.00000, 24 hour high: 105.99000, 24 hour vwap: 97.05058 | [18:09] |
Bugpowdurr | my precious | [18:09] |
ThickAsThieves | what if you settled every diff change? | [18:09] |
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mircea_popescu | that'd be incredibly short term | [18:09] |
bitessak | ;;goxlag | [18:09] |
mircea_popescu | i'd need ~30 or so items in a year | [18:09] |
gribble | 0 seconds | [18:10] |
ThickAsThieves | but you'd have many more options forward | [18:10] |
ChaangNoi | hmm back under 100? :) | [18:10] |
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mircea_popescu | not to mention we don't even know how many exactly. | [18:10] |
bitessak | ;;ticker | [18:10] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 0.74996 = 5.9997 BTC [-] | [18:10] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.74997 BTC [+] | [18:10] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 26 @ 0.74998 = 19.4995 BTC [+] | [18:10] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 100.01000, Best ask: 100.99900, Bid-ask spread: 0.98900, Last trade: 100.99900, 24 hour volume: 66370.06016972, 24 hour low: 91.00000, 24 hour high: 105.99000, 24 hour vwap: 97.11111 | [18:10] |
ThickAsThieves | if yo arent willing to use outside data, arent willing to settle more often, arent willing to make factor more dynamic, then that rules out my current ideas but one | [18:11] |
ThickAsThieves | just making them entrely custom | [18:11] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00060388 = 5.3141 BTC [+] | [18:11] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00060609 = 13.1522 BTC [+] | [18:11] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00060809 = 0.6081 BTC [+] | [18:11] |
ThickAsThieves | write it for sale at any price, but you must be able to cover a minimum % on top iof it | [18:12] |
ThickAsThieves | disclose both | [18:12] |
ThickAsThieves | then let buyer decide | [18:12] |
jurov | ThickAsThieves: other exchanges would probably welcome your completely customized futures | [18:12] |
ThickAsThieves | well yours already work fine | [18:13] |
smickles | oh shit | [18:13] |
jurov | but even i don't offer such customizability "cover up to whatever you want" | [18:13] |
jurov | that would be a mess | [18:13] |
smickles | i wake up to nyancat and the joker on bitcoinity | [18:13] |
ThickAsThieves | you could limit the parameters of what was custom | [18:14] |
thestringpuller | smickles: hey hey | [18:14] |
thestringpuller | see my om | [18:14] |
thestringpuller | om | [18:14] |
smickles | kk | [18:14] |
ThickAsThieves | like increments or such | [18:14] |
thestringpuller | pm* | [18:14] |
ThickAsThieves | doesnt have to be total free for all | [18:14] |
jurov | i'd then have to list multiple securities, with different collaterals | [18:14] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, all that aside, the idiff futures are largely an experimental asset, so | [18:15] |
jurov | two with fixed one are enough | [18:15] |
splnkr | so, we finally broke 100….anyone win any bets on that one? | [18:15] |
ThickAsThieves | in the end i'm just asking for a way to spend more on mpex :) | [18:16] |
jurov | lol | [18:16] |
ThickAsThieves | so give it to me baby | [18:16] |
mircea_popescu | splnkr probably. | [18:16] |
jurov | make it more like satoshidice, you say | [18:16] |
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ThickAsThieves | not exactly | [18:16] |
mircea_popescu | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=163260.0 | [18:16] |
ThickAsThieves | but there is certainly a betting platform idea in there somewhere | [18:17] |
mircea_popescu | this is something else | [18:17] |
smickles | oh... it's nyanslug for the lag | [18:17] |
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thestringpuller | ;;ticker | [18:18] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 100.50000, Best ask: 100.90000, Bid-ask spread: 0.40000, Last trade: 100.90000, 24 hour volume: 66370.06016972, 24 hour low: 91.00000, 24 hour high: 105.99000, 24 hour vwap: 97.11111 | [18:18] |
ThickAsThieves | lol: | [18:19] |
ThickAsThieves | 11:16] |
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ThickAsThieves | that hurts | [18:19] |
ChaangNoi | zipgap? | [18:20] |
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ThickAsThieves | they are on BF | [18:20] |
mircea_popescu | is this the dead asset deprived was discussing ? | [18:20] |
ThickAsThieves | yes | [18:21] |
ChaangNoi | i never invested or even heard of that | [18:21] |
ThickAsThieves | ipo was at .0005 | [18:21] |
assbot | [MPEX] [O.USD.P080T] 5 @ 0.0753858 = 0.3769 BTC | [18:21] |
jborkl | ziggap is down for maint. be back soon | [18:21] |
ThickAsThieves | oops | [18:21] |
jborkl | oops | [18:21] |
ThickAsThieves | .00005 | [18:21] |
ChaangNoi | .005 damn | [18:21] |
ChaangNoi | better but still not fun | [18:21] |
Bugpowdurr | http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=TSLA | [18:21] |
ThickAsThieves | second round was at .0001 | [18:21] |
ChaangNoi | was it a scam? | [18:21] |
ThickAsThieves | all sold out | [18:21] |
Bugpowdurr | yes of course it was a scam | [18:21] |
_aeon | https://b1tm3.wordpress.com/2013/04/01/a-visit-to-mt-gox/ | [18:21] |
mircea_popescu | Bugpowdurr your habit of logging in and then dropping makes you lose out. | [18:21] |
_aeon | First we need to get everything stabilized with licensing and we are considering creating entities around the world with the correct licensing, which is a lot of work. Sometimes it’s less work, e.g. in Europe where you get a license for one country it’s valid within the EU, but in the US you need to get a license from every single state. It means you need an office in every single state, you need to discuss with every single state | [18:22] |
_aeon | conditions, there are a lot of differences between them… It’s a nightmare. That’s one reason why we want Coinlab to do it for us: it’s too much work.” | [18:22] |
mircea_popescu | Apr 01 15:15:32 |
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Bugpowdurr | I do feel like a loser | [18:22] |
thestringpuller | Bugpowdurr: all your predictions jave come true | [18:22] |
bitessak | ;;ticker | [18:22] |
mircea_popescu | _aeon are you related to ziggap ? | [18:22] |
thestringpuller | you are the oracle | [18:22] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 99.75000, Best ask: 100.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.75000, Last trade: 100.50000, 24 hour volume: 66370.06016972, 24 hour low: 91.00000, 24 hour high: 105.99000, 24 hour vwap: 97.11111 | [18:22] |
ThickAsThieves | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=146611.msg1715159#msg1715159 | [18:22] |
thestringpuller | guide us o wise one | [18:23] |
_aeon | no affiliations | [18:23] |
mircea_popescu | a ok. | [18:23] |
thestringpuller | ziggap is plummeting | [18:23] |
Bugpowdurr | buy calls | [18:23] |
mircea_popescu | " you need to discuss with every single state" ya dood, i'm sure every single state is discussing shit with every single bootstrapped project. | [18:23] |
mircea_popescu | also for the record : mtgox failed to get registered in europe, got kicked out of france, | [18:24] |
mircea_popescu | are currently using some eastern european banks which allows them to skirt it. | [18:24] |
ThickAsThieves | i can buy calls with the 45btc i just made on ltc | [18:24] |
Scrat | Re: ziggap, aethero said 3 days ago in -otc that his HDD crashed | [18:24] |
Scrat | hasn't been online since | [18:24] |
mircea_popescu | course their usual lieing sort of bs suggests they do have eu licenses. | [18:24] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 450 @ 0.004 = 1.8 BTC [+] | [18:24] |
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mircea_popescu | Scrat a my bad, brain confused aeon/aethero | [18:25] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.0006 = 12 BTC [-] | [18:25] |
Scrat | ;;seen #bitcoin-otc aethero | [18:25] |
gribble | aethero was last seen in #bitcoin-otc 2 days, 20 hours, 14 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: |
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burnside | damn, ziggap.com down again | [18:25] |
thestringpuller | buy puts on ziggap! | [18:26] |
mircea_popescu | "Obama Proclaims April the Month to Teach Young People ‘How to Budget Responsibly’" | [18:26] |
mircea_popescu | best april fool's ever. | [18:26] |
bitessak | ;;ticker | [18:26] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 99.95348, Best ask: 99.98345, Bid-ask spread: 0.02997, Last trade: 99.95348, 24 hour volume: 67981.72491317, 24 hour low: 91.00000, 24 hour high: 105.99000, 24 hour vwap: 97.21329 | [18:26] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 9 @ 0.00479 = 0.0431 BTC [-] | [18:26] |
Bugpowdurr | well | [18:27] |
Bugpowdurr | that was fun while it lasted | [18:27] |
Bugpowdurr | what if today is the top | [18:27] |
Bugpowdurr | how sad a thought | [18:27] |
mircea_popescu | obviously it was going to get kicked back as soon as it went over 100 | [18:27] |
mircea_popescu | Bugpowdurr the puts covered earlier so dunno about that. | [18:27] |
Bugpowdurr | everytime I have a sad thought like that I imagine being in position 8500 in the gox verification queue, then I get a little happier | [18:28] |
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Bugpowdurr | ;;bids 90 | [18:29] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [18:29] |
gribble | There are currently 25109.349 bitcoins demanded at or over 90.0 USD, worth 2313401.22003 USD in total. | Data vintage: 76.7031 seconds | [18:29] |
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ThickAsThieves | wow | [18:30] |
ThickAsThieves | ;;nethash | [18:30] |
gribble | 62054.1218082 | [18:30] |
ThickAsThieves | nice | [18:30] |
ThickAsThieves | ;;estimate | [18:30] |
gribble | Next difficulty estimate | 7667060.77584 based on data since last change | 8668728.39687 based on data for last three days | [18:30] |
ThickAsThieves | can't believe how cheap those idiff futures are! :) | [18:31] |
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Bugpowdurr | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crXK49f9kQg | [18:40] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 918 @ 0.00380051 = 3.4889 BTC [-] | [18:41] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1800 @ 0.00374009 = 6.7322 BTC [-] | [18:41] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.0037005 = 7.401 BTC [-] | [18:41] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 4 @ 0.01 = 0.04 BTC [+] | [18:43] |
smickles | $unconfirmed | [18:45] |
mpexbot | smickles: 557 | [18:45] |
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DeaDTerra | WTS G.SDICE,GSDPT,G.MPOE,G.BBET, BTCQuick and TU.Silver shares! | [18:48] |
ZedsterX | so DICE is just dead? | [18:50] |
ZedsterX | people can't sell it fast enough | [18:50] |
Bugpowdurr | well | [18:50] |
Bugpowdurr | gotta get capital to buy calls dude | [18:51] |
DeaDTerra | Nah DICE is not dead | [18:51] |
DeaDTerra | just having a bad month | [18:51] |
ZedsterX | i was sure it would bounce back a bit at the the of the month but no luck | [18:51] |
jborkl | Dice still profited over 100,000k USD, on a bad month | [18:52] |
ZedsterX | and ppl still dump | [18:52] |
jborkl | well,people can not see past tomorrow | [18:52] |
jborkl | but we | [18:52] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.53 BTC [-] | [18:53] |
ZedsterX | i thought most ppl in the this game were better than that and i don't know squat | [18:53] |
ZedsterX | I will ride it for another month see what happens | [18:53] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.74998 BTC [+] | [18:53] |
Troic | any body have any clues/ideas on the further development that EV was hinting about ? | [18:53] |
ZedsterX | he has been talking new interface for 2 months | [18:54] |
mircea_popescu | Troic nope. | [18:55] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.481 = 1.443 BTC [-] | [18:55] |
jborkl | I would imagine it has to do with return bet amounts and compression/reducing bloat | [18:55] |
Troic | '(and this will be more relevant due to other developments we have in mind...).' is suppose 'in mind' is not in the works | [18:55] |
smickles | Bugpowdurr: there is more too the calc for the number of puts than just strike/spot ! | [18:55] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 51 @ 0.48 = 24.48 BTC [-] | [18:56] |
jborkl | and you have to remember, for every seller of SDICE- there is a buyer on the other side | [18:56] |
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ThickAsThieves | again, no love for MP http://www.theverge.com/2013/4/1/4154500/mt-gox-barons-of-bitcoin | [19:09] |
ThickAsThieves | i tried emailing them for you MP, I did! | [19:09] |
ThickAsThieves | almost had an interview set up for ya, but they said your diff futures made no sense and lol'd me away | [19:10] |
ThickAsThieves | ;) | [19:11] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves yeah, i care deeply about the knitting circle. | [19:13] |
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smickles | ThickAsThieves> $avgpc << $avg | [19:14] |
microhxo | Is coinbase down for purchasing coins right now? | [19:14] |
smickles | oh, i see now you figured itout | [19:14] |
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microhxo | Anyone having trouble with coinbase? | [19:16] |
deadweasel | coinbase is fucked. | [19:17] |
deadweasel | move your coins ASAP and find another avenue for purchase/sell | [19:18] |
microhxo | Any recommendations ? | [19:18] |
DeaDTerra | Starcraft two tournament with Bitcoin prize pool starts in 42 Minutes. | [19:18] |
DeaDTerra | Join us at sc2btc.com :D | [19:18] |
deadweasel | I'll defer to others on that microhxo.. I haven't bought in a while. Try getting verified on btcquick.com | [19:19] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 0.74 = 4.44 BTC [-] | [19:19] |
thestringpuller | MP I have interview with CNN Online for you. | [19:19] |
thestringpuller | I know you hate them. | [19:19] |
ChaangNoi | dont use gox... | [19:20] |
ThickAsThieves | smickles, i just searched for the last time you made the command :) | [19:20] |
mircea_popescu | microhxo where are you based ? | [19:21] |
microhxo | USA | [19:21] |
thestringpuller | Bugpowdurr: being a bio man, I would think you would program elaborate trading bots... | [19:21] |
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ThickAsThieves | mp, i was only joking on that link because while you dont care about the knitting circle, you are indeed looking for press nonetheless right? | [19:21] |
microhxo | coinbase worked fine for me, was quick too but my friend wants to buy some and it says they dont have any more coins atm. | [19:21] |
thestringpuller | coinbase never has enough coins | [19:22] |
microhxo | whats wrong with gox? | [19:22] |
thestringpuller | they only buy based on user demand | [19:22] |
thestringpuller | that way they never lose money | [19:22] |
microhxo | It seems like ALL sites have no coins right now. | [19:22] |
microhxo | even btcquick is sold out... | [19:22] |
thestringpuller | there will be another buy spree | [19:23] |
smickles | DeaDTerra: liquid is involved in it? | [19:23] |
thestringpuller | when the companies buy coins | [19:23] |
smickles | or just one of their players? | [19:23] |
microhxo | So for USA | [19:23] |
microhxo | what is the goto site to buy bitcoins? | [19:23] |
thestringpuller | campbx | [19:23] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves sure. | [19:23] |
Bugpowdurr | thestringpuller: I have a MATLAB based mpex bot | [19:24] |
Bugpowdurr | but, not using right now | [19:24] |
thestringpuller | That's sexy. | [19:24] |
mircea_popescu | microhxo USA is a little iffy, might want to give otc a try tho | [19:24] |
thestringpuller | Take dat girl and parallelize her in CUDA | [19:24] |
microhxo | otc? | [19:24] |
thestringpuller | Bugpowdurr: ever seen libjacket? | [19:24] |
Bugpowdurr | The 10% of capital in calls and the rest in cold storage plan is working well. | [19:24] |
Bugpowdurr | nah I am not a real programmer | [19:24] |
Bugpowdurr | only matlab | [19:24] |
Bugpowdurr | ;;bids 0 | [19:25] |
gribble | There are currently 51593462 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 10104543.0415 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0097 seconds | [19:25] |
deadweasel | whoa | [19:25] |
Bugpowdurr | yeah boyeee | [19:25] |
Bugpowdurr | 1.01 | [19:26] |
Bugpowdurr | 10.1 | [19:26] |
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mircea_popescu | microhxo yes, otc stands for over the counter. there's this system of trading btc with other parties, based on the wot | [19:26] |
mircea_popescu | (web of trust) | [19:26] |
mircea_popescu | it has a number of advantages but takes a little work. | [19:26] |
microhxo | sounds risky.. | [19:26] |
Bugpowdurr | 110 could be in play today | [19:26] |
mircea_popescu | it may be, at least to begin with. | [19:26] |
microhxo | Also I can only pay with paypal on that. No way am i giving bank acct info out. And i know no one wants to accept paypal because its reversible. | [19:27] |
mircea_popescu | a yes. | [19:27] |
mircea_popescu | mtgox takes pp ?! | [19:27] |
microhxo | Dont believe so | [19:27] |
mircea_popescu | o i see what you mean. | [19:27] |
deadweasel | microhxo: manage your risk. You will always have risk with BTC (or USD) | [19:27] |
mircea_popescu | yeah, in the us you're probably stuck with mtgox | [19:27] |
mircea_popescu | as a retail buyer | [19:27] |
microhxo | yea | [19:27] |
Bugpowdurr | localbitcoins is great if you are in a major metro area | [19:28] |
mircea_popescu | or that yea | [19:28] |
mircea_popescu | meet some hawt chick in a restaurant | [19:28] |
deadweasel | or keep hammering coinbase, they have a rolling 24 hr limit which could reset at any moment. You can check them hourly and try to buy... but that is just lame. | [19:28] |
mircea_popescu | (if localbitcoins had any clue they'd do that) | [19:28] |
thestringpuller | There are currently 51593462 bitcoins demanded <- More bitcoins are demanded than will ever exist, thus circulation? | [19:30] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 17 @ 0.584885 = 9.943 BTC [+] | [19:31] |
mircea_popescu | 5mn ? | [19:31] |
jurov | that's 51m | [19:32] |
thestringpuller | yup | [19:32] |
mircea_popescu | a ok | [19:32] |
thestringpuller | 51mn bitcoins are currently demanded. | [19:32] |
thestringpuller | So the price has to go up... | [19:32] |
jurov | that are just buyers expectations | [19:32] |
mircea_popescu | well im guessing some of the bids won't get filled. | [19:32] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.4 = 2 BTC [+] | [19:33] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.3962 = 0.7924 BTC [-] | [19:33] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.396 = 1.188 BTC [-] | [19:33] |
thestringpuller | sure | [19:33] |
saulimus | some won't buy if it doesn't come down to $2... | [19:33] |
Bugpowdurr | the number of bitcoins demanded is irrelevant | [19:33] |
Lyspooner | i demand that many bitcoins for .00001 USD | [19:33] |
Bugpowdurr | the total $ demanded is | [19:33] |
thestringpuller | Bugpowdurr: how so? | [19:33] |
thestringpuller | oh total $ demanded | [19:33] |
Bugpowdurr | just focus on the total $ demanded. That represents actual funded bids on gox. | [19:33] |
benkay | microhxo look into dwolla | [19:33] |
mircea_popescu | Bugpowdurr wait. | [19:33] |
Bugpowdurr | highest I have seen is $10.4MM | [19:33] |
mircea_popescu | o nm | [19:33] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1 @ 0.000645 BTC [+] | [19:34] |
microhxo | Thanks, ill check em out | [19:34] |
thestringpuller | do you still have any S.DICE? | [19:34] |
thestringpuller | or did you empty out | [19:34] |
benkay | microhxo it can be slow to get money in but people love it | [19:34] |
ThickAsThieves | ;;nethash | [19:34] |
gribble | 62669.1151321 | [19:34] |
microhxo | How long from start to finish to buy a bitcoin? | [19:34] |
microhxo | pending is fine but | [19:34] |
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microhxo | as long as he can get in today | [19:34] |
thestringpuller | I'll sell him some | [19:35] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 81 @ 0.74 = 59.94 BTC [-] | [19:35] |
thestringpuller | but I will only take moneypaks | [19:35] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 0.74998 = 5.9998 BTC [+] | [19:35] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.74999 = 7.4999 BTC [+] | [19:35] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.749999 = 2.25 BTC [+] | [19:35] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 77 @ 0.75 = 57.75 BTC [+] | [19:35] |
thestringpuller | microhxo: is that doable? | [19:35] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.75 = 7.5 BTC [+] | [19:35] |
mircea_popescu | microhxo coinbase takes about a month or some shit. | [19:35] |
microhxo | He just got 1 bitcoin on coinbase lol | [19:35] |
microhxo | so he is "in the game" | [19:35] |
thestringpuller | okay so he doesn't need coin no more? | [19:36] |
benkay | microhxo don't fuck with coinbase | [19:36] |
benkay | they're not grownups. | [19:36] |
kakobrekla | 15:13.32 ( KRS1 ) wtf |
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microhxo | well, im already .5 btc into coin base so once I get that I can transfer to another service. | [19:36] |
benkay | took 3 hours to get my friends coins out of there | [19:36] |
microhxo | just seemed the most convenient | [19:36] |
benkay | NOT pro. | [19:36] |
benkay | yeah | [19:36] |
Bugpowdurr | coinbase is n00bbase | [19:36] |
benkay | the triangle is trust, speed, price | [19:36] |
benkay | pick 2 | [19:37] |
thestringpuller | microhxo: do you need coin? | [19:37] |
TomServo | mircea_popescu: what were you saying localbitcoins should do? | [19:37] |
Bugpowdurr | mtgox has all 3 if you are already verified | [19:37] |
mircea_popescu | benkay not really. if you're on otc it's pretty much max trust insta speed best price. | [19:37] |
mircea_popescu | TomServo they should hire a dozen strippers in the main towns at 100 an hour or whatever | [19:37] |
microhxo | thestringpuller: Not right now. Im only testing bitcoins. Dont want to put a lot in yet. | [19:37] |
microhxo | thanks though. | [19:37] |
mircea_popescu | havwe them go to sell ? buy btc | [19:37] |
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microhxo | mtgox i heard was slow? | [19:37] |
thestringpuller | microhxo: I just don't want anyone who needs coin to have to miss out on trades because services are down | [19:38] |
Bugpowdurr | only if you are new | [19:38] |
benkay | mircea_popescu: i never see advertisements for less than 7% above mkt | [19:38] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.76 = 7.6 BTC [+] | [19:38] |
Bugpowdurr | I sell for 3% over market on localbitcoins | [19:38] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.76 BTC [+] | [19:38] |
microhxo | thestringpuller: yea i hear you. | [19:38] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 29 @ 0.76 = 22.04 BTC [+] | [19:38] |
Bugpowdurr | 3% over market yesterday, is 10% under market today | [19:39] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 0.76 = 5.32 BTC [+] | [19:39] |
TomServo | Bugpowdurr: what's the interest level like? | [19:39] |
thestringpuller | oh wow | [19:39] |
thestringpuller | Bitcoin might start supporting a legit economy soon at these prices... | [19:39] |
Bugpowdurr | high | [19:39] |
Bugpowdurr | I think I get most of the business in my area | [19:40] |
Bugpowdurr | have had 3 different buyers | [19:40] |
Bugpowdurr | one is a regular | [19:40] |
Bugpowdurr | I suspect he is dealing coins at school | [19:40] |
kakobrekla | sometimes kids dealed drugs | [19:40] |
kakobrekla | now they deal coins | [19:40] |
kakobrekla | and get drugs of SR | [19:40] |
kakobrekla | works. | [19:41] |
benkay | better system. | [19:41] |
TomServo | Bugpowdurr: do your ads reference your OTC info? | [19:41] |
Bugpowdurr | yes | [19:41] |
thestringpuller | Bugpowdurr: I suspect he is dealing coins at school << so he is dealing them for drugs? | [19:42] |
Bugpowdurr | I don't think so, I think he is just trying to make a profit | [19:42] |
Bugpowdurr | probably can sell for 20% over market | [19:42] |
Bugpowdurr | plus the rising price | [19:42] |
mircea_popescu | yeah, brcause of all the "protective" regulation | [19:42] |
mircea_popescu | kids cant' get btc. | [19:42] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4350 @ 0.0006 = 2.61 BTC [-] | [19:43] |
thestringpuller | mircea_popescu: fo realz? | [19:43] |
thestringpuller | that sounds like a good business right there, btc for children | [19:43] |
thestringpuller | btc kids meals | [19:43] |
mircea_popescu | well how ? they get registered with mtgox ? | [19:43] |
thestringpuller | mircea_popescu: Bitinstant | [19:43] |
smickles | violates copa | [19:43] |
mircea_popescu | a that's a thought. | [19:43] |
thestringpuller | or Ziggap | [19:44] |
thestringpuller | Or why not OTC | [19:44] |
thestringpuller | danieldaniel bought coins from me by buying me hitman | [19:44] |
smickles | 'merican companies can't collect information on kids | [19:44] |
thestringpuller | as smickles could attest to | [19:44] |
ThickAsThieves | surprised this made it onto the Verge, looks like they're becoming btc fans... http://www.theverge.com/2013/3/31/4168542/listen-to-bitcoin-in-real-time | [19:44] |
smickles | so they just don't do business with them, often times | [19:44] |
thestringpuller | i would think kids would have an easier time with "no regulation" if they came into bitcoin wealth | [19:44] |
thestringpuller | they don't have to legally pay taxes non? | [19:45] |
thestringpuller | that is if they are enrolled | [19:45] |
smickles | thestringpuller: they do have to pay taxes | [19:45] |
smickles | via parents | [19:45] |
thestringpuller | but you get it all refunded | [19:45] |
thestringpuller | non? | [19:45] |
Bugpowdurr | only if you don't make much | [19:45] |
Bugpowdurr | same tax rates apply | [19:45] |
Bugpowdurr | 18 year olds usually don't have much gross income though | [19:46] |
thestringpuller | Hmm. I guess kids may have it harder after all... | [19:46] |
smickles | if your under age kids make money, it's your income | [19:46] |
mircea_popescu | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BGx8EptCYAAgj5K.jpg:large | [19:46] |
mircea_popescu | pic related. | [19:46] |
Bugpowdurr | That's not how it worked for me when I was 17 | [19:46] |
smickles | Bugpowdurr: i learned personal income tax in 2009, so it may have been different | [19:47] |
Bugpowdurr | iirc if you are claimed as a dependent, you cannot take your personal exemption, but your income is still taxed as your own income. But there may be multiple ways to skin that cat. | [19:48] |
jborkl | 17 you are a adult in the US, pretty sure | [19:48] |
Bugpowdurr | ah no | [19:48] |
Bugpowdurr | 18 | [19:48] |
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jborkl | well, taxes not 100% sure- you can be tried as a adult at 17 | [19:49] |
Bugpowdurr | default is tried as a juviy at 18 | [19:49] |
Bugpowdurr | if you did something very bad they can roll you up to adult for criminal prosecution | [19:49] |
Bugpowdurr | I don't think we are gonna see $110 today. | [19:50] |
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smickles | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oozQe2Bk2cA | [19:54] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.0038 = 3.8 BTC [+] | [19:57] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.0038 = 3.8 BTC [+] | [19:57] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3000 @ 0.00371 = 11.13 BTC [-] | [19:57] |
mod6 | hmm only 500 nodes connected today? | [20:03] |
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Garr255 | !help | [20:06] |
assbot | List of commands: | [20:06] |
assbot | !ticker |
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assbot | !last |
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assbot | !mp |
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assbot | !rules |
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assbot | !exchanges |
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Garr255 | !ticker btct cognitive | [20:06] |
assbot | [BTCT:COGNITIVE] 1D: 0.157 / 0.23616 / 0.2899 (59 shares, 13.9 BTC), 7D: 0.108 / 0.14794 / 0.2899 (414 shares, 61.2 BTC), 30D: 0.1012 / 0.17401 / 0.3 (930 shares, 161.8 BTC) | [20:06] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 83 @ 0.000611 = 0.0507 BTC [-] | [20:08] |
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mircea_popescu | mod6 kinda concerning, yes. | [20:11] |
Bugpowdurr | seems like too round a number | [20:13] |
bitesak | ;;ticker | [20:13] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 102.21741, Best ask: 102.54042, Bid-ask spread: 0.32301, Last trade: 102.21740, 24 hour volume: 79604.66694827, 24 hour low: 91.00000, 24 hour high: 105.99000, 24 hour vwap: 98.01342 | [20:14] |
mircea_popescu | at the rate nodes have been decreasing (60k two years ago, 30k a year ago, 10k recently, <1k by now) | [20:14] |
mircea_popescu | it seems this is rapidly becoming bitcoin's chief point of failure. | [20:14] |
kakobrekla | blockchain to big | [20:14] |
kakobrekla | too | [20:14] |
mircea_popescu | yes but as we get into the hundreds we're markedly less decentralised than visa. | [20:14] |
kakobrekla | i run ~5 full nodes myself | [20:15] |
jborkl | 4 here | [20:15] |
mircea_popescu | bitcoind ? | [20:15] |
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kakobrekla | yes | [20:15] |
jborkl | yes | [20:15] |
mircea_popescu | what vers ? | [20:15] |
jborkl | .81 | [20:15] |
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mircea_popescu | (if you don't mund my curioisuty( | [20:15] |
kakobrekla | 0.7 - 0.8 | [20:15] |
jborkl | .81 is very fast compared | [20:15] |
jborkl | to .7x | [20:15] |
mircea_popescu | aha | [20:15] |
jborkl | from what I understand it will use all cores | [20:15] |
kakobrekla | ya but avg folks need a week to sync | [20:15] |
kakobrekla | or something | [20:16] |
jborkl | true | [20:16] |
kakobrekla | which is death | [20:16] |
mircea_popescu | ridiculous. even on .81 ?! | [20:16] |
jborkl | well, .81 it goes much faster | [20:16] |
kakobrekla | yea esp if not running 24/7 | [20:16] |
jborkl | I keep multiple copies, so I don't know anymore | [20:16] |
jborkl | but last time it took 2 dayd | [20:16] |
mircea_popescu | so 2% of active nodes is you two. | [20:16] |
kakobrekla | i know people have been using electrun and such | [20:17] |
mircea_popescu | scary shit. | [20:17] |
jborkl | lol, I guess so | [20:17] |
kakobrekla | that uses one server side bitcoind | [20:17] |
kakobrekla | and ppl connect to that | [20:17] |
jborkl | I have about 200 connections on those 4 | [20:17] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16384 @ 0.00060656 = 9.9379 BTC [+] | [20:18] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2616 @ 0.00060809 = 1.5908 BTC [+] | [20:18] |
mircea_popescu | fucking hell. | [20:18] |
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mircea_popescu | so my very expensive 15800 hdd just went | [20:18] |
mircea_popescu | retjhweriughieh | [20:18] |
mircea_popescu | and is now dead ;/ | [20:18] |
kakobrekla | uh? | [20:18] |
smickles | :o | [20:18] |
mircea_popescu | WHO HERE DID IT | [20:18] |
kakobrekla | you shouldnt have downloaded my cupcakes | [20:19] |
Bugpowdurr | I just don't believe that there are only 500 nodes | [20:19] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 4 @ 0.38 = 1.52 BTC [+] | [20:19] |
mircea_popescu | ;/ | [20:19] |
jborkl | well, people that did not upgrade to .81 or change the locks - I am guessing will no longer show up on nodes | [20:20] |
smickles | that's just blockchain. they might now limit to 500 | [20:20] |
Bugpowdurr | yeah | [20:20] |
Bugpowdurr | that's what I bet is going on | [20:20] |
mircea_popescu | smickles now that's a theory. | [20:20] |
mircea_popescu | jborkl there'd be no way to knopw as a peer | [20:20] |
kakobrekla | ouch; https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=146611.120;topicseen | [20:21] |
kakobrekla | another round. | [20:21] |
kakobrekla | this stupid people and money parting is taking too long! | [20:22] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 850 @ 0.00398999 = 3.3915 BTC [+] | [20:22] |
jurov | who reports 500 nodes? blockchain.info? | [20:22] |
mircea_popescu | kakobrekla werd brotyher. | [20:23] |
smickles | yup | [20:23] |
jborkl | 497, but I know a few wekks ago it was 1900 | [20:23] |
mircea_popescu | two months ago it was like 8-9000 | [20:23] |
benkay | "Once again, I get scammed." | [20:23] |
jurov | cuz i have 90 connections now and none of them is blockchain.info (it sees my txs as arriving from around the world) | [20:23] |
jurov | so think it's wildly inaccurate | [20:24] |
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mircea_popescu | any of you folks running multiple nodes willing to do a node mapping project ? | [20:24] |
smickles | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101902.msg1700671#msg1700671 << lol | [20:24] |
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podizzle | hey | [20:25] |
mircea_popescu | hello | [20:25] |
jborkl | Sure | [20:25] |
mod6 | yeah, i guess blockchain.info sometimes loses its wallet connections and takes a bit to reconnect to other nodes. | [20:26] |
mircea_popescu | jborkl let me know! | [20:26] |
podizzle | how long does it take for bets to show max | [20:26] |
mod6 | just was curious. thx :) | [20:26] |
therusytrombone | how was the outcome of the avalon bet yes | [20:26] |
podizzle | i know btc can be slow ass hell sometimes | [20:26] |
therusytrombone | they did not deliver half of their pre-orders lol | [20:26] |
mircea_popescu | podizzle what bets, what max ? | [20:26] |
therusytrombone | such bullshit lmao | [20:26] |
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mircea_popescu | therusytrombone how you judge ? | [20:26] |
jborkl | ok, I am going to go to lunch them I will let you know, shouldnt take too long | [20:27] |
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therusytrombone | at the time that statement was made, there were two batches for pre-order | [20:27] |
podizzle | 16yhNwTB4wxSjbJu8Ev3TantqYyn6AEUcJ | [20:27] |
therusytrombone | so you would have to guess or assume that the statement meant only batch one? | [20:27] |
therusytrombone | if you go by the timing, batch 1 and 2 were already in | [20:27] |
mircea_popescu | yeah. it's been widely discussed here / in the comments there too | [20:27] |
therusytrombone | it doesnt make sense | [20:27] |
therusytrombone | are you supposed to bet on how the statement is written | [20:27] |
therusytrombone | or how it was supposed to be interpreted? | [20:27] |
mircea_popescu | you are, yes. | [20:27] |
therusytrombone | so by how it was written, and the date it was created, the outcome should be No | [20:28] |
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mircea_popescu | any written text has the problem of reading. this is why there exist courts irl. | [20:28] |
podizzle | i think bitbet has lots of potential but 30btc to buy shares damn | [20:28] |
mircea_popescu | a reading including batch two is nonsensical as batch two wasn't even slated for delivery till apr 5 | [20:28] |
therusytrombone | i'm starting to think the site is kinda rigged | [20:28] |
smickles | podizzle: find a broker | [20:28] |
podizzle | this bfl talk haunts me wherever i go | [20:28] |
mircea_popescu | podizzle you can use ppl like coinbr | [20:28] |
mircea_popescu | or the passthroughs | [20:28] |
therusytrombone | it doesnt matter, it was written that they will deliver 1/2 of their pre-orders | [20:29] |
therusytrombone | nothing about batches | [20:29] |
podizzle | i see thanks for the info | [20:29] |
therusytrombone | and on that date, they had two batches | [20:29] |
therusytrombone | so by what you are saying, it should have been a bad bed | [20:29] |
therusytrombone | who owns that site, anyway? | [20:29] |
mircea_popescu | well, apparently your reading of the text doesn't match the admin's and the majority of bettor's/commenter's etc reading thereof. | [20:29] |
mircea_popescu | it happens. | [20:29] |
therusytrombone | what a knee-jerk reaction to call that a Yes | [20:29] |
therusytrombone | scam'd | [20:29] |
therusytrombone | read the statement. read the date. how can you infer any other way? | [20:30] |
smickles | therusytrombone: can you link me :) | [20:30] |
therusytrombone | http://bitbet.us/bet/269/avalon-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-april-1st/ | [20:30] |
kakobrekla | http://bitbet.us/bet/269/avalon-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-april-1st/ | [20:30] |
therusytrombone | pre-orders mean pre-orders, there is no mention of batches | [20:30] |
mircea_popescu | well, i read it the following way : the bet can't be about some corp delivering before april 1st items it promised to deliver starting april 5th | [20:30] |
therusytrombone | that's inferring past what's written | [20:30] |
therusytrombone | i understand that point | [20:30] |
mircea_popescu | no text carries its meaning inside. | [20:31] |
therusytrombone | but then you are betting on what the creator meant but not what is written | [20:31] |
mircea_popescu | all text is interpreted. | [20:31] |
therusytrombone | and that's a bad bet by the rules | [20:31] |
podizzle | is this a bitbet site ? | [20:31] |
podizzle | channel | [20:31] |
mircea_popescu | podizzle nope. | [20:31] |
podizzle | wtf | [20:31] |
podizzle | lol | [20:31] |
smickles | podizzle: we do go off topic from time to time | [20:31] |
mircea_popescu | therusytrombone if you take a strong nominalist view NOTHING is ever definitively provable | [20:32] |
smickles | podizzle: also, if you don't like naked people, be weary of clicking on a link from mircea_popescu | [20:32] |
error4733 | ;;ticker | [20:32] |
mircea_popescu | and thus no bets are acceptable. | [20:32] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 102.51002, Best ask: 102.99990, Bid-ask spread: 0.48988, Last trade: 102.51000, 24 hour volume: 80196.49123987, 24 hour low: 91.00000, 24 hour high: 105.99000, 24 hour vwap: 98.06018 | [20:32] |
mircea_popescu | http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/136483017480.jpg
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smickles | mircea_popescu: radical skepticism ftw ! | [20:32] |
therusytrombone | it says half of preorders | [20:32] |
therusytrombone | they had two batches of preorders in at that time | [20:33] |
therusytrombone | refute that. | [20:33] |
mircea_popescu | well ok, perfectly valid phylosophically but how the fuck will you run a site with it,. | [20:33] |
jborkl | network hash rate about a month ago was 24th now, 64th - asicminer has only claimed maybe 10 th- the rest has to be (in a logical conclusion) = Avalon | [20:33] |
therusytrombone | they did not deliver 450 devices | [20:33] |
podizzle | i made my withdrawal to bitbet at 12:48pm | [20:33] |
therusytrombone | it's ok it's just good to know a site is a scam and not to use it | [20:33] |
podizzle | still nothing am i being impatient | [20:33] |
mircea_popescu | therusytrombone if you bet on the losing side i imagine it'd have been a lot more beneficial to argue this afore betting. | [20:33] |
therusytrombone | people write crazy vague statements and expect people to infer what they meant | [20:34] |
smickles | jborkl: no, the rest is AMD, it's how they are still in business | [20:34] |
mircea_popescu | podizzle if you included no fee a tx can take 2 days. | [20:34] |
therusytrombone | like, really? | [20:34] |
jborkl | LOL, smickles good one | [20:34] |
podizzle | mircea_popescu how much is the fee | [20:34] |
smickles | $unconfirmed | [20:34] |
mpexbot | smickles: 839 | [20:34] |
mircea_popescu | 0.0005 works for most people. mpex includes 0.001 on al txs | [20:34] |
mircea_popescu | a few cents is a nice gesture to support the entire network. | [20:34] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.4199 = 2.9393 BTC [+] | [20:35] |
therusytrombone | lol how could you ever read that statement and not think it means all of the preorders they have in at the time | [20:35] |
podizzle | oh damn but i will be put in at the weight it was when i sent or when i clicked | [20:35] |
therusytrombone | SCAM | [20:35] |
therusytrombone | lmao | [20:35] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8294 @ 0.0006 = 4.9764 BTC [-] | [20:35] |
mircea_popescu | podizzle when the bet makes it . | [20:35] |
podizzle | ok | [20:35] |
podizzle | thats a little scary but ok | [20:35] |
mircea_popescu | therusytrombone im sure avalon said something on the forum about a future batch to be delivered in 2014 | [20:35] |
mircea_popescu | why not extend to anything they ever mentioned ffs. | [20:35] |
therusytrombone | at the time the statement was created, they had two preorder batches in | [20:36] |
therusytrombone | you keep dancing around my fact | [20:36] |
therusytrombone | facts | [20:36] |
mircea_popescu | except one wasn't slated for delivery by that date | [20:36] |
therusytrombone | with crazy statements | [20:36] |
therusytrombone | the creator of the statement | [20:36] |
therusytrombone | in the comments | [20:36] |
therusytrombone | even says that he put in batch 1 | [20:36] |
mircea_popescu | listen. if you pick some facts you can support any pov/claim any other is insane/vague/we | [20:36] |
therusytrombone | and it was left out | [20:36] |
therusytrombone | so....? | [20:36] |
therusytrombone | intentionally vague | [20:36] |
therusytrombone | site is a scam | [20:36] |
podizzle | mircea_popescu so if the bet isnt made by resolved then it will be a refund? | [20:36] |
podizzle | or if the bet isnt made by closed | [20:36] |
mircea_popescu | if the bet doesn't make it before bet is closed then it's a donation. | [20:36] |
therusytrombone | don't use bitbets, it's a scam | [20:37] |
therusytrombone | lock'd | [20:37] |
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mircea_popescu | http://bitbet.us/faq/#15 | [20:37] |
mircea_popescu | therusytrombone it just works a certain way. | [20:37] |
therusytrombone | the fact that the creator of the statement even admitted that part of it got left out | [20:37] |
therusytrombone | should have been a bad bet at minimum | [20:37] |
therusytrombone | joke site | [20:37] |
mod6 | <3 bitbet | [20:37] |
mircea_popescu | something's not a scam because it works otherwise than you think it should. | [20:37] |
therusytrombone | if you read the statement | [20:38] |
therusytrombone | and look at the date it was created | [20:38] |
mod6 | won some off the basketball games this weekend! | [20:38] |
therusytrombone | there are two preorder batcxhes | [20:38] |
therusytrombone | you have not refuted that | [20:38] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.38 BTC [+] | [20:38] |
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podizzle | let me ask again | [20:38] |
podizzle | what about a bet where i sent money during open betting but is not placed before betting is closed. donation or refund | [20:39] |
mircea_popescu | therusytrombone one of the batches you count was not supposed to start delivery until after the bet closes. | [20:39] |
jborkl | i think smickles is right and blockchain info is reporting 500 max | [20:39] |
therusytrombone | but it didn't say that | [20:39] |
therusytrombone | it said all preoders | [20:39] |
mircea_popescu | this is your refutation. now, whether you take it in or ingore it is up to you, but it stands. | [20:39] |
therusytrombone | there were two batches for preorder | [20:39] |
therusytrombone | PLEASE refute that | [20:39] |
therusytrombone | you havent | [20:40] |
therusytrombone | because you are a joke | [20:40] |
mircea_popescu | mkay. | [20:40] |
therusytrombone | just like bitbet | [20:40] |
therusytrombone | lmao | [20:40] |
podizzle | lol | [20:40] |
mircea_popescu | podizzle donation. | [20:40] |
therusytrombone | it stands in your tiny mind | [20:40] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5051 @ 0.00060809 = 3.0715 BTC [+] | [20:40] |
jborkl | still looking , but I am seeing a bunch not on the blockchain list | [20:40] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4367 @ 0.00060871 = 2.6582 BTC [+] | [20:40] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.00061276 = 1.777 BTC [+] | [20:40] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2932 @ 0.00061415 = 1.8007 BTC [+] | [20:40] |
mircea_popescu | and this seems the perfect time to announce the shocker of march results of bitbet. here goes : | [20:40] |
mircea_popescu | http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/bitbet-march-2013-statement/ | [20:40] |
therusytrombone | 1) create an intentionally vague statement | [20:40] |
therusytrombone | 2) wait for heavy betting action on one side | [20:40] |
mircea_popescu | therusytrombone if a statement doesn't please you, why bet ?! | [20:40] |
therusytrombone | 3) have your judge/moderator friend tell you how he'll rule | [20:41] |
therusytrombone | 4) bet on that side | [20:41] |
therusytrombone | 5) profit | [20:41] |
therusytrombone | ez game | [20:41] |
therusytrombone | bitbet confirmed scam | [20:41] |
jborkl | nice profits, very good for the second month? | [20:41] |
mircea_popescu | jborkl 3rd month | [20:41] |
kakobrekla | 3rd | [20:41] |
mircea_popescu | unless i'm crazy first was jan ? a ok | [20:41] |
jborkl | oh ok, well still very nice | [20:41] |
mircea_popescu | but yea it went up a lot. | [20:41] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, one measure we're taking is having a special mod tag on the comments so that mod can clarify how they'll judge statements if need be. | [20:43] |
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error4733 | to all paranoid : http://www.joshianlindsay.com/index.php?id=126 | [20:43] |
mircea_popescu | and re the late bets : it is in general not nice to include txs with no fees. it is callous, miners work at this, buitcoin needs the fees to survive. | [20:43] |
mircea_popescu | in the case of bitbet it is outright dangerous, so not worth it. | [20:43] |
mircea_popescu | a small fee to the tune of a few cents ensures next-block inclusion for pretty much all txs | [20:44] |
podizzle | mircea ok | [20:44] |
mod6 | mircea_popescu: nice results on s.bbet for march! | [20:44] |
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mircea_popescu | now, i understand this is not necessarily expected bejhaviour / can gotcha. i'm sorry for it but there's no practical way out. | [20:44] |
podizzle | my bet went through haha yeaaaaaaaaaah! | [20:45] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.44969999 = 1.3491 BTC [+] | [20:46] |
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podizzle | i dont understand how would i make a donation if any transfer is counted as a bet should i make it 1.005 and its assumed the .005 is a tip? | [20:48] |
mircea_popescu | podizzle if you use the stock client there's a menu to fix tx fee. | [20:48] |
mircea_popescu | settings or options or something | [20:48] |
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mircea_popescu | error4733 http://www.joshianlindsay.com/images/205.jpg ahaha | [20:49] |
DeaDTerra | Starcraft 2 bitcoin tourmanent, Join us over at sc2btc.com/play! Free to play sit and go tournament :D | [20:50] |
mircea_popescu | haha now that's an idea | [20:51] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1021 @ 0.00380001 = 3.8798 BTC [-] | [20:51] |
smickles | now this is handy | [20:53] |
smickles | $unconfirmed | [20:53] |
mpexbot | smickles: 663 unconfirmed transactions. Oldest dated: 2013-03-30 16:07:38 | [20:53] |
mircea_popescu | nice | [20:54] |
mircea_popescu | mpexbot is becoming like a maven | [20:54] |
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mircea_popescu | $help | [20:54] |
mpexbot | mircea_popescu: (help [
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[20:54] |
smickles | $list | [20:54] |
mircea_popescu | listen you ttoally gotta populate that. | [20:54] |
mpexbot | smickles: Admin, Channel, Config, Misc, Owner, Services, SupyMPEx, and User | [20:54] |
mircea_popescu | a nm! | [20:54] |
smickles | and I do need to put in a couple docstrings | [20:54] |
mircea_popescu | now if only i can remember list | [20:54] |
smickles | $list SupyMPEx | [20:55] |
mpexbot | smickles: avg, depth, email, moo, mpexlag, post, proxies, unconfirmed, and vwap | [20:55] |
mircea_popescu | aha | [20:55] |
mircea_popescu | can you redirect $help to $list supympex ? | [20:55] |
mircea_popescu | [20:55] | |
smickles | nanotube: ^ help :) | [20:55] |
mpexbot | mircea_popescu: No new messages received. | [20:55] |
mircea_popescu | and also add the leading $ and say somethinc like "Available commands : " | [20:56] |
mircea_popescu | $vwap ^oix | [20:56] |
mpexbot | mircea_popescu: ^OIX 1 day: no data 7 day: average: 100.30864847 high: 132.25174812 low: 86.04499804 volume: 9075 btc: 4482.82710187 30 day: no data | [20:56] |
mircea_popescu | whoa nelly. | [20:56] |
smickles | 132, not bad | [20:57] |
smickles | $commands | [20:57] |
smickles | hmm | [20:57] |
mircea_popescu | $buttsex | [20:58] |
smickles | ah, mircea_popescu do you remember that assbot pic? | [20:58] |
mircea_popescu | notrly ? | [20:58] |
smickles | well, nvm. | [20:58] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6690 @ 0.0006 = 4.014 BTC [-] | [20:59] |
smickles | 6!??! | [20:59] |
mircea_popescu | end of world. | [21:00] |
smickles | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NU3g7XFCZFw | [21:00] |
mod6 | it's been landing on .0006 a few times in the last number of days | [21:00] |
mod6 | ups and downs | [21:01] |
mod6 | no worries | [21:01] |
mircea_popescu | as btc went from 20 to 100 s.dice lost like what, 50-60% ? | [21:01] |
mircea_popescu | s.mpoe lost about 20% i think | [21:01] |
podizzle | satoshi dice lost why would it lose | [21:02] |
mircea_popescu | oddly enough this could be said to make sone sense | [21:02] |
mircea_popescu | podizzle well would you prefer "shed" ? | [21:02] |
podizzle | no i mean the underlying reasons why | [21:02] |
smickles | i prefer "two sheds" | [21:02] |
smickles | ;D | [21:02] |
mircea_popescu | well there's this theory that people wil lbet less btc | [21:02] |
podizzle | because its too valued | [21:03] |
podizzle | even a satoshi? | [21:03] |
mircea_popescu | more generally, in fiat terms corp went from 15 to 50mn ? | [21:03] |
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mod6 | yeah! and I like how after the march MPOE beatdown the statements are there in full glory - ugly or not. | [21:10] |
mod6 | those were some HUGE numbers, but the reality of those statements to me adds some trust there. MPEx sailed through some massive attacks this past month too. | [21:11] |
mod6 | Sail strong MPEx! | [21:12] |
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_aeon | squirt | [21:12] |
smickles | mod6: mpex is a scam and mircea_popescu is a greasy fraud | [21:12] |
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mod6 | :P | [21:12] |
_aeon | probably smickles | [21:12] |
ThickAsThieves | you forgot to call him a gypsy | [21:13] |
_aeon | judges in romania are like $500 | [21:13] |
mircea_popescu | i say this, from the bottom of my heart : | [21:14] |
mircea_popescu | buttseks. | [21:14] |
mod6 | :> | [21:14] |
guruvan | damn smickles I knew it. Now where am I gonna find a chum to sell my account to? | [21:14] |
smickles | he's probably having buttsex right now, that pervert | [21:14] |
mircea_popescu | no im not. too much effort | [21:14] |
mircea_popescu | i got a fever ;/ | [21:14] |
_aeon | i bet his finger is at least in a butt | [21:14] |
mod6 | :( | [21:14] |
guruvan | I'm sure of it - I heard that online somewhere | [21:14] |
smickles | aw, get well soon mp | [21:14] |
mircea_popescu | and the only prescription | [21:14] |
mircea_popescu | the only cure | [21:14] |
mircea_popescu | is more COWBELL | [21:15] |
guruvan | hot from all that buttseks | [21:15] |
_aeon | is whiskey | [21:15] |
mod6 | always moar cowbell | [21:15] |
smickles | lol | [21:15] |
mod6 | m00 | [21:15] |
_aeon | bourbon makes fever go away | [21:15] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, it's breaking already. i am blessed with this bizzare trait whereby a cold stays with me for 6 hours if its really bad | [21:15] |
_aeon | known. | [21:15] |
abracadabra | Anduck arij asa1024 asciilifeform assbot Azelphur | [21:15] |
mircea_popescu | who's _aeon anyway | [21:15] |
_aeon | yo mamma | [21:16] |
smickles | dunno, they sound cool tho | [21:16] |
mircea_popescu | my mamma cvan't type that fast, | [21:16] |
mircea_popescu | she works for the govt. | [21:16] |
_aeon | dem gubments | [21:16] |
_aeon | i'm noob | [21:17] |
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mircea_popescu | no you're not, what noob has cloaks. | [21:17] |
_aeon | paranoidmuch | [21:17] |
mircea_popescu | just curious dood. | [21:17] |
_aeon | muahahaha | [21:17] |
smickles | lol, _aeon, your 14:12 -!- _aeon [~FUCKSUPA@unaffiliated/aeon/x-3095533] , funny | [21:18] |
mircea_popescu | o its supa ?! | [21:18] |
mircea_popescu | btw, anyone saw herodes' butthurt in forum over being neg'd ? | [21:18] |
_aeon | that would be the farthest from the truth | [21:18] |
_aeon | but let's run with it | [21:18] |
_aeon | i'm wuzzywubing all over | [21:18] |
_aeon | i like to read butthurt | [21:19] |
mircea_popescu | on gibson. who the fuck connects on gibson | [21:20] |
mod6 | mircea_popescu: i was sort of pissed supa ruined my perfect rating :/ | [21:20] |
mircea_popescu | what's that like papua-new guiney | [21:20] |
pgp | who runs bitcoinity? | [21:20] |
mod6 | *shrug* | [21:20] |
mircea_popescu | pgp a hungarian dood. | [21:21] |
mircea_popescu | comboy | [21:21] |
_aeon | dude i'm being stalked | [21:21] |
pgp | the joker background is fun 'n all, but sure make looking at the charts hard on the eyes... | [21:21] |
_aeon | stop you tickle | [21:21] |
mod6 | i've never even talked to the guy... so that was kinda disappointing | [21:21] |
mircea_popescu | mod6 i think he just spammed gribble ratings | [21:21] |
mod6 | yeah, apparently he's trying to make some sort of point | [21:22] |
mircea_popescu | ya. aka trolling. | [21:22] |
mircea_popescu | so anybody been using the .8.1 exploded ruin of a codebase packaging at all ? | [21:22] |
mod6 | *nod* | [21:22] |
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smickles | http://youtu.be/zorZohh06w0?t=3m22s < lol | [21:22] |
_aeon | ;;rated Supa | [21:23] |
gribble | You rated user Supa on Thu Mar 28 11:20:54 2013, giving him a rating of -10, and supplied these additional notes: I AM RICK JAMES MOTHERFUCKER. | [21:23] |
mod6 | i've got .7, but im still like 70 days behind. need to fire it up and let it catch up but it chokes my hd | [21:23] |
_aeon | ;;unauth | [21:23] |
gribble | Your GPG session has been terminated. | [21:23] |
mircea_popescu | $grep "rick james" /xchatlogs/* | [21:24] |
_aeon | goog luck | [21:24] |
tk993 | !e | [21:24] |
mircea_popescu | 1835 | [21:24] |
* | _aeon mostly covered the tracks | [21:24] |
pgp | a lot of crying going on over .8.1 on bitcoin-dev | [21:24] |
mircea_popescu | ʎɐp ƃuıɹʇs ɯopuɐɹ ʎddɐɥ | [21:25] |
mircea_popescu | pgp ya well the old pos doesn't work (as detailed in http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/bitcoind-not-quite-ready-for-prime-time/ ) | [21:25] |
pgp | looks almost greek ... almoost - lol | [21:25] |
mircea_popescu | and the new pos i don't trust | [21:25] |
mircea_popescu | fucking locked ;/ | [21:25] |
pgp | ugh | [21:26] |
pgp | here's one for BBET - bet on date that dev team releases 1.0 | [21:27] |
pgp | Dec 31, 2018 is probably even money | [21:27] |
mircea_popescu | heh. | [21:28] |
smickles | time b/t 1.0 and 1.0.0.1? 1 day | [21:28] |
mircea_popescu | well i'm the eternal optimist : they stfu with the "Developing" which they can't do because they can't code | [21:28] |
mircea_popescu | start working testnet which is more adeuqate to their abilities | [21:28] |
mircea_popescu | and then finally when 1.0 is released that's after a spec has been made | [21:28] |
mircea_popescu | and so 1.0.0.1 being 1 day later doesn't quite have the cataclysmic implications. | [21:29] |
pgp | like anything in life, it'll will require competent resources AND competent management... | [21:30] |
pgp | a dash of vision / brilliance never hurts, either... | [21:31] |
ThickAsThieves | $avg | [21:31] |
mpexbot | ThickAsThieves: 97.68 | [21:31] |
bitesak | ;;ticker | [21:32] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 102.57701, Best ask: 102.89999, Bid-ask spread: 0.32298, Last trade: 102.57701, 24 hour volume: 77591.58336552, 24 hour low: 91.75000, 24 hour high: 105.99000, 24 hour vwap: 98.56399 | [21:32] |
pgp | it's great that miners get paid, but did satoshi ever think about getting the developers/stewards paid? | [21:33] |
pgp | is that what the bitcoin foundation is for? | [21:33] |
_aeon | aethero comes online | [21:33] |
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mircea_popescu | pgp i don't think the idea ever was for coders to be paid | [21:34] |
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mircea_popescu | i'm not sayingthis is a good idea necessarily, but | [21:34] |
mircea_popescu | if it is decentralised then the paying would be whoever hires them | [21:34] |
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jurov | they should move to devcoin | [21:35] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 10 @ 0.2 = 2 BTC [+] | [21:35] |
pgp | bitcoin will need adjustments down the road - how can we ensure that the best and brightest are attracted to the endeavor? | [21:35] |
_aeon | derpfiend eh | [21:35] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, if i query my crystal 8 ball what i see is each miner conglomerate having its own devteam. | [21:35] |
mircea_popescu | the current troop is really sinking their future by not doing spec work now, while they still can | [21:36] |
mircea_popescu | it WILL be done, but by miner negotiation, and they will be simply ignored. | [21:36] |
pgp | i believe you are right... | [21:36] |
mircea_popescu | yeah. the problem is they're cheeky kids | [21:36] |
mircea_popescu | and won't mostly listen. | [21:36] |
pgp | golden rule: he with the gold makes the rules... | [21:36] |
mircea_popescu | cause you know, i'm evil and impolite and therefore the fact that i regularly see the future is moot. | [21:37] |
pgp | sucks being a sith lord... | [21:37] |
_aeon | use latinum bars | [21:37] |
mircea_popescu | notrly. i get the butts. | [21:37] |
pgp | lol | [21:38] |
pgp | seriously, though - sometimes the conversation on bitcoin-dev seems like it's coming from Deep Space 9... | [21:39] |
mircea_popescu | i can't go there. i get summaries (ocasionally) and even tho made by competent people they still piss me off. | [21:39] |
benkay | can i subscribe to those summaries? | [21:40] |
mircea_popescu | haha that might be an idea | [21:41] |
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pgp | in any case, you're right about the mining oligarcy taking up the dev mantle eventually | [21:41] |
mircea_popescu | i think so. | [21:42] |
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pgp | seems like the natural outcome... | [21:42] |
mircea_popescu | possibly some businesses might run their own clients. | [21:42] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 80 @ 0.2 = 16 BTC [+] | [21:42] |
mircea_popescu | s.dice might make one, like the s.dice desktop client. | [21:42] |
mircea_popescu | probably valuable for things like slotmachines. | [21:43] |
mircea_popescu | or bitpay if they had any sense (and resources, and etc) | [21:43] |
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pgp | certainly room out there for "subchains" it seem to me... | [21:44] |
mircea_popescu | that's a diff story. | [21:44] |
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benkay | different topic: has anyone out there gotten kakobrekla's socket working? | [21:45] |
benkay | and would be willing to give me some assist on thing? | [21:45] |
kakobrekla | sure | [21:45] |
benkay | o hai | [21:45] |
kakobrekla | hi | [21:45] |
dub | ;;ticker | [21:46] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 103.00010, Best ask: 103.15689, Bid-ask spread: 0.15679, Last trade: 103.00010, 24 hour volume: 77774.07869393, 24 hour low: 92.05000, 24 hour high: 105.99000, 24 hour vwap: 98.58243 | [21:46] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 13 @ 0.76 = 9.88 BTC [+] | [21:46] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.76 = 2.28 BTC [+] | [21:47] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.1622 BTC [-] | [21:47] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.16213 BTC [-] | [21:47] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.16212 BTC [-] | [21:47] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 4 @ 0.162 = 0.648 BTC [-] | [21:47] |
Derpfiend | indeed aeon | [21:49] |
_aeon | indeed | [21:49] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 4 @ 0.42 = 1.68 BTC [-] | [21:50] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.36 = 1.08 BTC [-] | [21:51] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.75 = 1.5 BTC [-] | [21:52] |
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_aeon | http://cloudsigma.com/en/about-us/press-releases/233 | [21:57] |
_aeon | today announced that that its customers will now be able to benefit from fax access to their cloud servers. Complementing the existing SSH and VNC access, ‘remote desktop via fax’ provides users without internet connection the ability to view their cloud servers. | [21:57] |
_aeon | “we are always listening to customers and they were clear, where is your fax access? For some VNC just isn’t performant enough. This new service is a world first for CloudSigma and the result of six months innovation. Customers can now remotely view their screens from anywhere in the world via fax. | [21:58] |
_aeon | totally normal tiberiusiv | [21:58] |
_aeon | happens on mondays | [21:58] |
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dub | wats bitcoin central? | [21:59] |
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dub | oh run by forum staff, was a scam anyway | [22:01] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 9 @ 0.00479 = 0.0431 BTC [-] | [22:02] |
jborkl | http://dpaste.com/1043267/ | [22:02] |
jborkl | there are 3 bitcoind , i have to remote into the other and then I will also run data on them | [22:02] |
TomServo | tiberiusiv: what's the deal? SP500 down... bitcoin up. :P | [22:04] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 112 @ 0.0048 = 0.5376 BTC [+] | [22:04] |
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TomServo | Obviously I did.. just giving you shit. | [22:05] |
dub | ;;bids 100 | [22:05] |
gribble | There are currently 5833.3713 bitcoins demanded at or over 100.0 USD, worth 588194.297707 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0040 seconds | [22:05] |
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mircea_popescu | dub bitcoin-central is run by davout/buncha french gypsies. | [22:06] |
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mircea_popescu | jborkl that's like 35 nodes tho. | [22:07] |
dub | http://blockchain.info/address/1LrPYjto3hsLzWJNstghuwdrQXB96KbrCy | [22:09] |
dub | could be the mpoe loss is about to be surpassed | [22:09] |
jborkl | I am getting more | [22:10] |
jborkl | I will filter the info and pass it all along to you | [22:10] |
jborkl | and I am pinging the other nodes to see who they are connected to | [22:11] |
_aeon | bam | [22:11] |
ThickAsThieves | dub what address is that for? | [22:11] |
mircea_popescu | a contest ? | [22:11] |
mircea_popescu | jborkl that's great! | [22:11] |
dub | ThickAsThieves: nfi, could be the bitcoin central funds being stolen | [22:11] |
mircea_popescu | o no wai ?! | [22:12] |
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mircea_popescu | https://bitcoin-central.net/ | [22:12] |
mircea_popescu | dafuck | [22:12] |
mircea_popescu | you're right | [22:12] |
mircea_popescu | Down for Maintenance | [22:12] |
mircea_popescu | We have detected a security breach. Services are temporarily suspended until we have thoroughly investigated the situation. We will resume services as soon as possible. | [22:12] |
smickles | ;;market --sell 200 | [22:12] |
gribble | A market order to sell 200 bitcoins right now would net 20440.0587 USD and would take the last price down to 102.1210 USD, resulting in an average price of 102.2003 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 13.7545 seconds | [22:12] |
thestringpuller | $avg | [22:12] |
mpexbot | thestringpuller: 97.78 | [22:12] |
ThickAsThieves | ouch | [22:13] |
ThickAsThieves | ;;asks 99.94 | [22:13] |
gribble | There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 99.94 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. | Data vintage: 45.6836 seconds | [22:13] |
ThickAsThieves | ;;bids 100 | [22:13] |
gribble | There are currently 5422.1666 bitcoins demanded at or over 100.0 USD, worth 546061.361605 USD in total. | Data vintage: 56.5098 seconds | [22:13] |
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smickles | ;;bids 10000000 | [22:14] |
gribble | There are currently 0 bitcoins demanded at or over 10000000.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. | Data vintage: 86.8850 seconds | [22:14] |
smickles | well, that's optimism fer ya | [22:14] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.155 BTC [+] | [22:20] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.16 BTC [+] | [22:20] |
dub | ;;market --sell 41854 | [22:21] |
gribble | A market order to sell 41854 bitcoins right now would net 3873261.6016 USD and would take the last price down to 84.7522 USD, resulting in an average price of 92.5422 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0024 seconds | [22:21] |
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pgp | $4MM is a lot of money ... | [22:23] |
gribble | A market order to sell 100000 bitcoins right now would net 7681678.7165 USD and would take the last price down to 40.6212 USD, resulting in an average price of 76.8168 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 44.2644 seconds | [22:24] |
thestringpuller | ;;market --sell 50000 | [22:25] |
gribble | A market order to sell 50000 bitcoins right now would net 4539004.2120 USD and would take the last price down to 80.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 90.7801 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 73.6644 seconds | [22:25] |
pgp | https://instawallet.org/ says the same thing - the two are related? | [22:27] |
mircea_popescu | pgp yes | [22:27] |
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pgp | are we watching a robbery in slow motion here or am I missing something? | [22:28] |
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mircea_popescu | pretty much | [22:29] |
mircea_popescu | either they are mentally retarded and thibnk this is a fun april 1st thing to do | [22:29] |
mircea_popescu | or else they just got ficked. | [22:29] |
pgp | but several blocks have been mined since then and not a single confirmation? | [22:30] |
mircea_popescu | and .10 btc in fees | [22:31] |
mircea_popescu | hmmm | [22:31] |
pgp | looks odd to me... | [22:31] |
mircea_popescu | maybe the blocks are somehow borkt ? | [22:31] |
mircea_popescu | the tx i mean not blocks | [22:31] |
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_aeon | instawallet fubar or they move it all the cold storage as defense mechanism | [22:32] |
mircea_popescu | in general it's polite to say when you move large chunks like that | [22:33] |
mircea_popescu | i know when i did it i got flooded with q's. | [22:33] |
mod6 | We have detected a security breach. << this seems to be a scary thing though - despite it being April 1st. | [22:34] |
pgp | but looks like it's being moved FROM cold storage... | [22:34] |
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mircea_popescu | pgp yes... | [22:34] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.4365005 BTC [-] | [22:35] |
mod6 | hmm. | [22:35] |
jurov | http://blockchain.info/address/1LrPYjto3hsLzWJNstghuwdrQXB96KbrCy | [22:35] |
jurov | ^^mpoe-pr dug out, how? | [22:35] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.4365005 = 0.873 BTC [-] | [22:36] |
mircea_popescu | she saw me saying | [22:36] |
mircea_popescu | i was quoting dub | [22:36] |
kakobrekla | yeah man i noticed some strange uncofirmed in my bitcoin, that explains it! | [22:36] |
ThickAsThieves | how safe do you think blockchain wallet is? | [22:37] |
pgp | not my coins, but man... just the thought of it makes my balls tingle with dread... | [22:37] |
mircea_popescu | yeah. | [22:37] |
pgp | prolly TMI... | [22:37] |
mircea_popescu | wtf cold wallet is that anyway. | [22:37] |
mircea_popescu | lukewarm wallet. | [22:37] |
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pgp | hot wallet with a few ice cubes... | [22:38] |
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mod6 | hmm. strange. maybe just someone fucked up? | [22:41] |
mircea_popescu | yeah that's usually what it is. | [22:41] |
deadweasel | whooops, accidentally sent all the cold storage to my own wallet... LATER! | [22:42] |
deadweasel | my bad , i quit. | [22:42] |
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mod6 | must just be some kinda joke | [22:47] |
mod6 | nice guys though. i'll be sure to do business over there. not | [22:47] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13441 @ 0.00060554 = 8.1391 BTC [+] | [22:48] |
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_aeon | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_sensory_meridian_response | [22:57] |
_aeon | who wants to talk about that or admit that it happens to you | [22:58] |
_aeon | specifically, the head-rush tingling from music | [22:58] |
mod6 | wut | [22:58] |
_aeon | or someone touching your head or whispering | [22:58] |
_aeon | i'm looking for data | [22:58] |
_aeon | people who will admit that this happens to them | [22:58] |
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jurov | _aeon: but why here? | [23:03] |
_aeon | nm | [23:03] |
_aeon | diareah of the hands | [23:03] |
_aeon | *diarrhea | [23:04] |
jurov | anyway it does happen to me, mostly when i realize some fubar situation | [23:04] |
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jurov | and it's mostly on top of the head | [23:05] |
bitessak | no wonder my 0.4BTC trsf from instawallet never materialized | [23:06] |
_aeon | thanks | [23:08] |
_aeon | it's nice to know i am not alone | [23:08] |
_aeon | apparently it is something inducable | [23:08] |
_aeon | which is what i'm most interested in now | [23:08] |
pgp | that's right... akin to that "sinking feeling" | [23:08] |
_aeon | this, for example | [23:08] |
_aeon | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2c_jOY89DVk&feature=youtu.be | [23:08] |
_aeon | the marker on the paper noise does it somehow | [23:09] |
pgp | maybe it's and empathetic response? | [23:09] |
Namworld | aeon, why yes, I do have that happening. Back of the head. | [23:09] |
ll | never happend with music, usualy when learning something for me | [23:09] |
_aeon | i'm amzed that i have just learned this | [23:09] |
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benkay | oh ho ho | [23:10] |
benkay | http://blockchain.info/address/1LrPYjto3hsLzWJNstghuwdrQXB96KbrCy | [23:10] |
pgp | yeah - something is definately strange with this - has yet to confim at all - how could that be? | [23:11] |
benkay | ;;tslb | [23:11] |
gribble | Time since last block: 18 minutes and 17 seconds | [23:11] |
ThickAsThieves | cnbc ticker says bitcoin at 4:40pm est | [23:12] |
ThickAsThieves | on TV | [23:13] |
smickles | eh? | [23:13] |
dub | pgp: no fees? | [23:14] |
pgp | c'mon | [23:14] |
pgp | it's got .1 BTC actually | [23:14] |
dub | otru | [23:14] |
_aeon | cnbc butthurt | [23:15] |
_aeon | cramer's boss makes him talk about bitcoin | [23:15] |
pgp | cheapskates, if you asked me... | [23:15] |
mod6 | yeah each of the tx's has .1 fee | [23:15] |
pgp | 2013-04-01 17:44:51 | [23:16] |
pgp | UTC I assume? | [23:16] |
dub | I think actually transacting with bitcoin is pretty broken | [23:16] |
ThickAsThieves | in 23min | [23:17] |
smickles | $unconfirmed | [23:17] |
mpexbot | smickles: 1313 unconfirmed transactions. Oldest dated: 2013-03-30 16:07:38 | [23:17] |
pgp | wait a sec - doesn't the protocol permit the ability to book transactions in the future? | [23:17] |
smickles | yup | [23:17] |
smickles | and all other kind of fancy things | [23:17] |
smickles | also, it could be malformed, or made in such a way that no miners will pick it up, no matter what | [23:17] |
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pgp | april fools joke? | [23:18] |
smickles | ^ | [23:18] |
mod6 | its gotta be | [23:19] |
smickles | most likely, considering the day | [23:19] |
mod6 | haha, fuq | [23:19] |
smickles | someone clever could do that with no fear | [23:19] |
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pgp | fucked up, if you asked me... | [23:19] |
dub | surely nobody is that stupid | [23:20] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 30 @ 0.000639 = 0.0192 BTC [+] | [23:20] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.76 BTC [+] | [23:20] |
pgp | any easy way to test parseability of transaction | [23:20] |
dub | I mean, its bitcoin so stupid is implied, but.. | [23:20] |
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smickles | pgp: ask about it in -dev | [23:20] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 80 @ 0.000639 = 0.0511 BTC [+] | [23:21] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 115 @ 0.00158 = 0.1817 BTC [+] | [23:21] |
pgp | got it... | [23:21] |
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dub | people already have | [23:22] |
smickles | ah | [23:22] |
dub | they are being -dev | [23:22] |
smickles | so no answer | [23:22] |
dub | and ignoring anything that makes them look like tards | [23:22] |
bitessak | ;;ticker | [23:23] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 102.77500, Best ask: 103.77000, Bid-ask spread: 0.99500, Last trade: 102.77500, 24 hour volume: 81434.36555095, 24 hour low: 92.05000, 24 hour high: 105.99000, 24 hour vwap: 98.97011 | [23:23] |
pgp | pissing into the wind... | [23:23] |
smickles | would blockchain.info show the fancy parts of the protocol? or bad sigs, hashes, stuff like that? | [23:24] |
smickles | I mean, i could generate that tx, but my sig would be bad, but i could still broadcast it | [23:24] |
smickles | gmaxwell pointed out that at his node they are orphaned | [23:25] |
dub | I think he's talking to goonie? | [23:25] |
smickles | dub: misfired hilight, he said | [23:26] |
smickles | also, at least one of those txns is relayed by blockchain itself | [23:27] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9450 @ 0.0006 = 5.67 BTC [-] | [23:28] |
mircea_popescu | [23:30] | |
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Bugpowder | AM I reading that right? instawallet got cleaned out of 41,000 BTC? | [23:32] |
mircea_popescu | seems like it | [23:32] |
pgp | Txns won't confirm, but look bad... | [23:32] |
smickles | Bugpowder: but the tx hasn't confirmed for some reason | [23:32] |
Bugpowder | forgot to send a fee? | [23:33] |
Bugpowder | heh | [23:33] |
pgp | .1 x 3 BTC | [23:33] |
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mircea_popescu | no hue fee is thwere. | [23:33] |
jborkl | I had a transaction get stuck the other day for 12 hours, send from bitcoind ... there was no reason at all | [23:33] |
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mod6 | there is a .1 BTC fee on each of the two tx's: 996b0e98db80b20516313cd32920e7c8093a8a5bf1e1b1887747338a49052ce5 && 4cf56d0c1566778030095925328f4bc7ae988657bd62fe8bc05ac67302d32b4c | [23:34] |
pgp | maybe I'm just new arround here, but this seems really unsettling to me... | [23:34] |
Bugpowder | Instawallet Cold Storage... Well then.... Either its not actually cold storage or its an inside job | [23:35] |
smickles | pgp: it's odd, to say the least | [23:35] |
smickles | Bugpowder: or a sick april fools joke with cleverly malformed txns | [23:35] |
bitessak | Bitcoin-Central and Paytunia update: Our customer's bitcoins and euros are safe and will not be affected by the security breach. We have taken the websites off-line for proper investigation. The address 1LrPYjto3hsLzWJNstghuwdrQXB96KbrCy is under our exclusive control. | [23:35] |
mod6 | ^^^ | [23:35] |
mod6 | as smickles said | [23:35] |
mircea_popescu | is it possible they had the storage set up so you need multiple sigs | [23:35] |
bitessak | dixit bitcoin-central.net | [23:35] |
mircea_popescu | and the attacker sent the tx with insufficient signaturing ? | [23:35] |
mircea_popescu | a nice then | [23:36] |
mod6 | mircea_popescu: that could be! | [23:36] |
smickles | bitessak: oooh... link :)? | [23:36] |
bitessak | bitcoin-central.net | [23:36] |
mod6 | Oh. i see. well that helps bitessak | [23:36] |
mircea_popescu | mod6 could it ? | [23:36] |
mircea_popescu | i dunno if i understand the protocol enough to say | [23:36] |
mod6 | right, but if they had that set up, that would have been a clever safeguard | [23:37] |
dub | except the coin isnt at that address.. | [23:37] |
mircea_popescu | myeah. | [23:38] |
pgp | ok - let's assume for a moment that the txn is valid and like jbork say, just might take sometime to pick up... If they have yet to confirm, couldn't you convievebly beg large mining pools to exclude the txn for a little while until the "community" could opine on it? | [23:38] |
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smickles | if a sufficient % of the miners agreed to not include it, it wouldn't confirm (odds are) for a while | [23:39] |
smickles | yes | [23:39] |
mircea_popescu | pgp no. | [23:39] |
mircea_popescu | that's such a huge breach of bitcoin security i don't even want to consider it. | [23:39] |
dub | by no you mean, yes | [23:40] |
mircea_popescu | i'd certainly blacklist any miner doing such rap | [23:40] |
smickles | i think a lot of us would | [23:40] |
mircea_popescu | crap* | [23:40] |
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dub | and yet eligius has over a Th | [23:40] |
mircea_popescu | sooooo ? | [23:41] |
pgp | I understand, of course - just a thought experiment... | [23:41] |
dub | deepbutt and guild have also helped luke with his shit or indicated willingness to do so in the past | [23:41] |
mircea_popescu | that is currently the main avenue of govt attacking bitcoin | [23:41] |
dub | although deepbutt is no longer a threat | [23:41] |
mircea_popescu | and pretty much the only reason having miners chinese rather than american is good news. | [23:41] |
pgp | lol | [23:42] |
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DeaDTerra | WTS G.SDICE,GSDPT,G.MPOE,G.BBET, BTCQuick and TU.Silver shares! | [23:42] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1327 @ 0.00380105 = 5.044 BTC [+] | [23:43] |
dub | lol | [23:43] |
dub | dump all teh scams | [23:43] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1500 @ 0.00398997 = 5.985 BTC [+] | [23:43] |
smickles | http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1bd1d1/i_think_i_just_lost_90btc_are_they_stolen_help/ << ouch | [23:43] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 179 @ 0.00398997 = 0.7142 BTC [+] | [23:44] |
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mircea_popescu | dub such a hater! | [23:44] |
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smickles | suddup you gyp | [23:44] |
smickles | (wow, that might look bad to someone who didn't see some of my conversations with tiberiusiv) | [23:45] |
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mircea_popescu | lol | [23:48] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 120 @ 0.000613 = 0.0736 BTC [-] | [23:51] |
Bugpowder | it will look bad when these logs are read by the historians of bitcoin's formative years | [23:51] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 50 @ 0.000612 = 0.0306 BTC [-] | [23:52] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 330 @ 0.000611 = 0.2016 BTC [-] | [23:52] |
benkay | some people don't care | [23:53] |
benkay | chaangnoi for example shows up roaring drunk | [23:53] |
benkay | i otoh probably thank people too much | [23:54] |
mircea_popescu | also buttseks. | [23:55] |
mircea_popescu | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=159673.0;all | [23:56] |
mircea_popescu | this thread is kinda funnay. | [23:56] |
ThickAsThieves | the CNBC segment on bitcoin was ok | [23:56] |
Scrat | ThickAsThieves: not really | [23:57] |
ThickAsThieves | they had the guy from Expensify defending and some trader thug attacking | [23:57] |
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ThickAsThieves | everyone said ignorant stuff | [23:57] |
Scrat | too many buzzwords were thrown around | [23:57] |
Bugpowder | its CNBS what do you expect? | [23:58] |
ThickAsThieves | but what if COUNTERFEIT! | [23:58] |
Scrat | motherfucking counterfeit bitcoins | [23:58] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [RSM] 3 @ 0.002399 = 0.0072 BTC [-] | [23:58] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [RSM] 197 @ 0.002012 = 0.3964 BTC [-] | [23:58] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.76 BTC [+] | [23:59] |
smickles | woah, google indexing people's wallets | [23:59] |
mircea_popescu | yeah srsly. | [23:59] |
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