Forum logs for 30 Mar 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

asciilifeform	one reason might be that pc architecture, almost always by default, 'shadows' roms	[00:00]
asciilifeform	that is, copies them to cacheable RAM on boot	[00:00]
asciilifeform	(executing from rom, esp. the 'serial' 8-legged variety, is dog-slow)	[00:00]
jurov	i bought such mobo with dual bios	[00:00]
jurov	but never actually tried it	[00:00]
jurov	( gigabyte )	[00:01]
asciilifeform	typically these have a toggle that moves the clock/data line from 1 serial rom to another	[00:01]
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asciilifeform	for recovering from botched flashes.	[00:01]
asciilifeform	these used to be popular in the wake of the '90s 'chernoble' virus	[00:01]
asciilifeform	but have mostly disappeared	[00:01]
asciilifeform	any serious pc user should own a rom burner anyway	[00:01]
asciilifeform	chinese units are 20-50 usd	[00:02]
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jurov	one usually does it once in 5 years... not sure if it's worth the occupied space	[00:03]
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asciilifeform	space?! they're pocket-sized	[00:03]
asciilifeform	or you meant, on the board	[00:03]
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jurov	yes i meant... hundred pocket sized gizmos to be used once in 5 yrs + cables = several boxen labeled shit and "more shit"	[00:04]
jurov	it's annoying	[00:05]
truffles	yay shit	[00:05]
asciilifeform	a box with zapped rom is considerably more annoying, imho	[00:05]
asciilifeform	if buying a rom burner, helps to get the kind that takes SOIC-8 socket adapters, for laptop flash	[00:06]
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cads	hey has anyone hear if something bad is happening with auroracoin?	[00:08]
truffles	cads into alts hmm	[00:08]
cads	doge for life	[00:09]
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cads	about 10 days ago auroracoin put $300 worth of auroracoin up for any icelandic citizen to grab	[00:11]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: "and I experienced complete awareness", lel	[00:11]
nubbins`	i've read that one in the past	[00:11]
truffles	not possible	[00:12]
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cads	since then citizens have had their identities forged, the value of the AUR has dropped like 75% and now people are saying AUR is being hit by a 51% attack	[00:12]
cads	the chaos is kinda awesome but I can't figure what's going on	[00:13]
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truffles	get a blackbox ull know it all	[00:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00094734 = 19.0415 BTC [+] {2}	[00:14]
tg2	ponzidoge.com... lol	[00:14]
tg2	8m dogecoin in 15 minutes	[00:14]
cads	Hilarious :)	[00:14]
tg2	shit is killin it	[00:15]
tg2	ltcponzi was $7000 worth of ltc in 45 mins yesterday	[00:15]
tg2	this is the new satoshidice	[00:15]
Mats_cd03	where do i acquire such a chinese made rom burner	[00:15]
tg2	dev said btc is coming soon	[00:15]
cads	haha, awesome	[00:16]
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cads	thanks for sharing, tg2, that's delightful	[00:24]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0568 = 0.3408 BTC [+]	[00:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0568 = 0.2272 BTC [+] {2}	[00:37]
tg2	#dogecoin having trouble wrapping their minds around the fact that an OPEN ponzi where everything is visible is not really a ponzi lol	[00:38]
tg2	its just a game	[00:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0449 = 0.2245 BTC [+]	[00:38]
truffles	nerds can be gullible too	[00:38]
tg2	whatever happened ot bitcoinsand	[00:39]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06999999 = 0.35 BTC [+] {2}	[00:39]
tg2	https://bitcoinsand.com/en	[00:40]
ozbot	Bitcoinsand	[00:40]
tg2	still rolling I guess	[00:40]
tg2	https://blockchain.info/address/1JfvCK3NAaKdQZCmu4vBjGhqAzxYrePsHg	[00:40]
tg2	meh	[00:40]
ozbot	Bitcoin Address 1JfvCK3NAaKdQZCmu4vBjGhqAzxYrePsHg	[00:40]
tg2	not enough interest to be a ponzi :D	[00:40]
CheckDavid	tg2: there's a game called bubble	[00:41]
tg2	:D	[00:41]
CheckDavid	Which basically is an explicit ponzi with rules	[00:41]
tg2	IPO are the last ones in :D	[00:41]
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lnovy	the whole pc architecture is a big matrix, it looks and behaves pretty much nothing like you see it	[00:50]
lnovy	huh... scrollbuffer lag	[00:50]
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lnovy	ignore plz :)	[00:50]
truffles	that game sounds fun	[00:53]
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tg2	fk its taking a long time to generate a gpg key with 9 matching characters in it's long ID lol	[01:00]
tg2	Found 3256676 keys so far, running for 104196.6s (Rate:31.3/s)	[01:00]
tg2	;;ident	[01:00]
gribble	Nick 'tg2', with hostmask 'tg2!~tg2@205.204.66.35', is identified as user 'tg2', with GPG key id 31FAA963C3333333, key fingerprint BFB291FE6B88A151B3BD2F9C31FAA963C3333333, and bitcoin address None	[01:00]
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tg2	10 characters *	[01:00]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00094857 = 18.0228 BTC [+] {4}	[01:04]
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bounce	asciilifeform: acorn arm boxes had riscos in rom. nice and quick booting, too.	[01:13]
Namworld	Wait.... WAIT. Wait wait wait wait wait... Stripe will allow Bitcoin payments?	[01:17]
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Namworld	That adds a good bunch of merchants	[01:18]
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Namworld	http://www.pcworld.com/article/2114200/malleability-attacks-not-to-blame-for-mt-goxs-missing-bitcoins-study-says.html	[01:20]
ozbot	'Malleability' attacks not to blame for Mt. Gox's missing bitcoins, study says \| PCWorld	[01:20]
Namworld	Oh really? You don't say...	[01:20]
Namworld	How unsurprising.	[01:21]
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lnovy	incomming!	[01:27]
Namworld	If Karpeles finds more Bitcoins and they're all returned I'll make the weirdest face. "He didn't scam, he just lost the keys? Had to try and find doubles in old backups of data? What stupidity is this?"	[01:31]
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Namworld	Current odds of getting 100% back: 0.001% or so, odds provided by Ass-Pullouts®	[01:33]
dexX7	hehe.. the wallet they found was allegedly found, because it was in an old format that new bitcoin clients don't recognize	[01:34]
dexX7	or something like that ;)	[01:34]
xdotcomm_	tg2: dats a nice key	[01:34]
xdotcomm_	;;ident	[01:34]
gribble	Nick 'xdotcomm_', with hostmask 'xdotcomm_!~xdotcomme@bas1-montreal51-1167905977.dsl.bell.ca', is not identified.	[01:34]
xdotcomm_	meh	[01:35]
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Namworld	Translation: "My keys!? They no work, what happened!? Oh, I have one here in this old backup. Maybe I can keep looking, maybe I find more keys in these old files."	[01:35]
dexX7	sounds accurate	[01:36]
Namworld	Someone, please do a retro parody of a platformer, called: "Karpeles and the Search for the Seven Private Keys"	[01:37]
Namworld	With coffee powerups, regulators and hacker mobs/bosses and of course collecting keys or fragments of keys.	[01:38]
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jurov	Namworld don't forget protesters	[01:46]
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jurov	and the end boss shall bear uncanny resemblance to mpoe-pr	[01:47]
jurov	chetty maybe you can make a little development detour?	[01:49]
truffles	a pr person that is total pr nightmare, only on internet	[01:50]
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asciilifeform	bounce: all 1980s micros, afaik, did	[02:08]
asciilifeform	bounce: i was thinking of modern pc	[02:08]
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ThickAsThieves	so Jesus Antonopolis has a book coming out	[02:26]
ThickAsThieves	http://bitcoinmagazine.com/11788/mastering-bitcoin-book-andreas-antonopoulos-available-pre-order/	[02:27]
ThickAsThieves	it can't be purchased with bitcoins	[02:28]
dexX7	250 pages x.x	[02:29]
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ThickAsThieves	"If you're interested in learning more about the technical operation of bitcoin, or if you're building the next great bitcoin killerapp or business, you will find this book essential reading. From the basic use of a bitcoin wallet to buy a cup of coffee, to running a bitcoin marketplace with hundreds of thousands of transactions, or collaboratively building new financial innovations	[02:31]
ThickAsThieves	that will transform our understanding of currency and credit, this book will help you engineer money. You're about to unlock the API to a new economy. This book is your key."	[02:31]
ThickAsThieves	parody vs reality	[02:31]
ThickAsThieves	who will win?	[02:31]
ThickAsThieves	stay tuned!	[02:31]
asciilifeform	'parody horizon.'	[02:32]
truffles	hey TAT write that blog yet?	[02:32]
dexX7	https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KKV_VEmGPsPr74rFhhpqmdkFPuLRh6tSEQvsXdOcoZA/pub#h.ualzap5eojzv << outline	[02:33]
ozbot	Mastering Bitcoin - Community Outline Review	[02:33]
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ThickAsThieves	the first blog post didnt make it past peer review	[02:34]
ThickAsThieves	sorry	[02:34]
truffles	orly	[02:34]
truffles	i can review if u want	[02:34]
ThickAsThieves	no need	[02:34]
*	truffles likes to be entertained!	[02:34]
truffles	there are a few other bloggers itc	[02:35]
truffles	cant recall if theyre consistent, cuz i forget	[02:35]
dexX7	http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com/	[02:36]
ozbot	Assets Assimilated	[02:36]
truffles	meh	[02:37]
truffles	non assets mp related	[02:37]
ThickAsThieves	well you cant complain when b-assets people write about assets and you ask assets people for writing	[02:39]
truffles	didnt ask for assets content	[02:39]
ThickAsThieves	people here also list other blogs they like at times	[02:39]
truffles	oh	[02:39]
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ThickAsThieves	The Last Psychiatrist	[02:39]
ThickAsThieves	Pando isnt bad for news about news	[02:40]
truffles	oh its not that specific	[02:40]
truffles	just has to gauge my interest :)	[02:40]
truffles	so is btc stable now`	[02:40]
ThickAsThieves	not yet	[02:41]
azi`_	did i miss any news about neobee?	[02:41]
ThickAsThieves	give it a month	[02:41]
truffles	last i saw it was in the 600s	[02:41]
truffles	how goes neobee	[02:42]
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dexX7	price tanked, trading halted	[02:43]
azi`_	something fishy is apparently going on	[02:43]
truffles	?	[02:44]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06992203 = 0.1398 BTC [-] {2}	[02:47]
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TestingUnoDosTre	.d	[02:50]
ozbot	5.007 billion \| Next Diff in 1170 blocks \| Estimated Change: 16.2937% in 6d 19h 4m 7s	[02:50]
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dexX7	haha reddit about friedcat: "I don't know, anonymous according to /r/bitcoin means "will steal bitcoins in future". How do we know the ASICs don't have a function that sends your mined bitcoins to some address at some point in the future or installs a virus on your computer? Is the hardware opensourced?"	[02:51]
Duffer1	wow	[02:52]
TestingUnoDosTre	how come the expected change is 16,3% when bitcoinwisdom projects 21%	[02:52]
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dexX7	the "next diff" algorithm is only a simple linear projection (hashrate-now/hashrate-last = hashrate-increase%) and bitcoinwisdom uses something more sophisticated	[02:59]
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TestingUnoDosTre	can anyone tell me about gribbles next difficulty calculation	[04:05]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0569 = 0.1138 BTC [+]	[04:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0569 = 0.1707 BTC [+] {3}	[04:11]
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MisterE	http://venturebeat.com/2014/03/28/mozillas-bad-week-employees-call-for-ceo-eich-to-step-down-3-board-members-leave/	[04:21]
ozbot	Mozilla's bad week: Employees call for CEO Eich to step down, 3 board members leave \| VentureBeat \|	[04:21]
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kanzure	dexX7: couldn't you just monitor the outbound network activity from the asic device instead	[04:24]
dexX7	hm?	[04:25]
dexX7	elaborate please	[04:26]
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tg2	Yeah it wouldn't be hard	[04:30]
tg2	even with published source though many people still download binary	[04:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06949969 = 0.695 BTC [-] {3}	[04:31]
tg2	People still use Firefox?	[04:31]
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fordlincoln1	anyone trade the bitcoin cfds on avatrade?	[04:35]
kakobrekla	that prolly a bucket shop	[04:35]
kakobrekla	not prolly, certainly.	[04:36]
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cazalla	tg2: what's wrong with firefox?	[04:40]
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tg2	Chrome is what's wrong with Firefox	[04:41]
Apocalyptic	Opera is the shit now	[04:41]
cazalla	i'd rather not give google my browsing habits	[04:41]
tg2	I heard netscape is pretty nice	[04:41]
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tg2	although i prefer lynx because it doesn't forward my cookies unless explicitly advised to	[04:42]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13550 @ 0.00094475 = 12.8014 BTC [-] {2}	[04:42]
mystisking	whats the future of crypto trading?	[04:42]
tg2	in fact it asks me every time	[04:42]
mystisking	is bitcoin over?	[04:43]
tg2	If dice listed on any markets?	[04:43]
tg2	;;ident mystisking	[04:43]
gribble	Nick 'mystisking', with hostmask 'mystisking!48e5a0ae@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.229.160.174', is not identified.	[04:43]
tg2	> web	[04:43]
tg2	Troll harder	[04:43]
mystisking	?	[04:43]
mystisking	i have a question	[04:44]
Apocalyptic	is bitcoin over? << obvious troll is obvious	[04:44]
mystisking	?	[04:44]
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tg2	Mystisking, the ceo of Bitcoin committed suicide so yeah Bitcoin is pretty much dead	[04:45]
tg2	everybody knows this why do you not	[04:45]
mystisking	where can i see announcements of new cryptocurrencies?	[04:45]
tg2	Fox news	[04:46]
mystisking	thanks guy	[04:46]
mystisking	you're a real jerk	[04:46]
tg2	Np any time	[04:46]
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tg2	drop by any time and ask as stupid of a question as you want	[04:46]
tg2	you'll always get a sincere response	[04:46]
tg2	Go to /r/dogecoin you'll be right at home	[04:47]
dexX7	he's gone	[04:47]
tg2	I have parts muted	[04:47]
dexX7	ic	[04:47]
tg2	I don't c	[04:48]
tg2	Benkay	[04:48]
tg2	What are you drinking	[04:48]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.069899 = 0.1398 BTC [+]	[04:50]
tg2	> Tfw no benkay	[04:51]
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MisterE	Chrome is such crap	[05:00]
MisterE	I switched to FF from Chromium	[05:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.069899 = 0.1398 BTC [+]	[05:01]
Apocalyptic	tg2, what version of lynx do you use ?	[05:01]
tg2	Bleeding edge	[05:02]
tg2	I use phantomjs now	[05:02]
tg2	Headless webkit ftw	[05:02]
tg2	It renders css and JavaScript without a ui.	[05:02]
tg2	it makes one hell of a sick crawler	[05:03]
tg2	It's like having only console open on your browser	[05:03]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 22 @ 0.64999999 = 14.3 BTC [-] {2}	[05:07]
tg2	2.8.8 lynx	[05:08]
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tg2	I believe that's current	[05:17]
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kanzure	phantomjs is actually using an ancient version of webkit	[05:23]
kanzure	i highly recommend using recent webkit and just use the gobject bindings	[05:23]
kanzure	for example: https://gist.github.com/kanzure/6581415	[05:23]
kanzure	(context: i've contributed to phantomjs)	[05:24]
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tg2	Can it be run without x?	[05:29]
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xdotcomm_	tg2: going for wendies !	[05:30]
MisterE	Breaking news on the missing plane, still nothing found...	[05:32]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.069898 = 0.1398 BTC [-]	[05:32]
kanzure	tg2: technically no, webkigtk+ requires X unless you find a way to get gtk running without x.. there used to be a way with cairo but nobody seems to care anymore.	[05:33]
kanzure	tg2: however, running X headlessly is not hugely problematic these days because of xserver-xorg-video-dummy	[05:34]
kanzure	tg2: and i would say the advantages of running modern webkit far outweigh the troubles with running X... you get Function.prototype.bind :)	[05:35]
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kanzure	even when phantomjs2 comes out in the next few months i would recommend caution because the dependency on qtwebki from a qt release means that you're waiting multiple months for bugfixes to get into phantomjs (so far webkit updates are so far behind it's sad)	[05:37]
kanzure	e.g. it's not just qtwebkit but it's a qt-release that includes a release of qtwebkit which includes a release of webkit. but the real thing you care about is webkit!	[05:38]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.069898 = 0.2796 BTC [-]	[05:43]
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tg2	I just use it for page scraping	[06:04]
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tg2	And thumb generation	[06:04]
tg2	Headless is nice	[06:05]
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tg2	True headless	[06:05]
tg2	there is to much tied through x imo	[06:05]
tg2	Fglrx for example	[06:06]
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Apocalyptic	tg2, do you even run X ?	[06:09]
tg2	Not if I don't need gui	[06:09]
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chetty	http://www.wakingtimes.com/2014/03/28/cashless-society-almost-sinister-implications/	[06:32]
ozbot	The Cashless Society Almost Here And With Some Very Sinister Implications - Waking Times	[06:32]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00094569 = 9.1259 BTC [-] {2}	[06:35]
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decimation	lol fiat: http://www.scribd.com/doc/201651711/October-24-2013-Class-Cert-Order - this is related to the civil suit against the silicon valley companys for conspiring to limit recruitment	[06:56]
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decimation	Alan Eustace (Google Senior Vice President) commented ...	[06:58]
decimation	to compensation that makes it very difficult for anyone to get a better offer"	[06:58]
decimation	take 2: According to him:the "long-term right approach is not to deal with these situations as one-off?s but to have a systematic approach to compensation that makes it very difficult for anyone to get a better offer"	[06:59]
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decimation	my point: his job is exactly to find the one-off's and worry about their retention. What possible "systematic approach" exists, even in theory?	[07:00]
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MisterE	that the order certifying the class?	[07:05]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform kernel-in-rom never caught on because these fuckwits want to keep versioning everything all the time. gotta upgrade!!1	[07:08]
asciilifeform	lul	[07:08]
asciilifeform	upgrade all day - just turn the key.	[07:09]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves well he's mastered them so...	[07:09]
asciilifeform	anyone else notice how you more or less can't buy antifuse roms any more?	[07:09]
asciilifeform	just flash that programmatically refuses (or promises to refuse) writing a second time	[07:10]
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dignork	asciilifeform, there are OTP chips, you're saying they can be rewritten?	[07:12]
mircea_popescu	dude what's with all this derpage. avatrade ? future of crypto trading ? what the hell.	[07:12]
asciilifeform	dignork: i can't promise to re-write one on demand - but they're 'flash' inside.	[07:12]
asciilifeform	dignork: notice that the same part number typically comes in a UV window version.	[07:13]
asciilifeform	now go and try to buy a 1980s style antifuse ROM that actually burns	[07:13]
asciilifeform	i.e. fuses blow when you write it.	[07:13]
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mircea_popescu	;;later tell decimation the following systematic approach : "you will be born anyway, need to work anyway. why should you be paid ?"	[07:14]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[07:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00094424 = 10.3866 BTC [-]	[07:14]
mircea_popescu	oh look, another blockchain crawler : https://coinb.in/	[07:16]
dignork	asciilifeform, I never actually looked into these chips, but wikipedia says empty PROM is filled with 1's, and you're irreversibly burning 0's	[07:18]
asciilifeform	yes	[07:19]
dignork	asciilifeform, so later you can burn some more 0'...	[07:19]
asciilifeform	now try to buy one.	[07:19]
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mircea_popescu	dignork it'd be an extremely rare case where that actually works tho	[07:19]
asciilifeform	incidentally, this reminds me of a scheme i came up with for re-writing 'cd-r' disks, before the rewritable kind was available	[07:19]
asciilifeform	using 'gray code'. alert reader can probably figure out how it worked.	[07:20]
asciilifeform	how many 'brain cycles' we've all wasted on obsolete tech!	[07:20]
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mircea_popescu	"I stumbled upon this brilliant piece of journalism written by one “Mircea Popescu”. The title of the article reads “Why Dogecoin is a scam…” and the contents are amusing."	[07:21]
mircea_popescu	at least we're using the brain cycles on things that actually exist.	[07:21]
mircea_popescu	how many brain cycles have various anon derps wasted on rehashing their imaginary worlds ?	[07:21]
asciilifeform	the folks who understand their worlds being imaginary, i've no problem with.	[07:22]
dignork	asciilifeform, well, I have this http://www.nordicsemi.com/eng/Products/2.4GHz-RF/nRF24LE1-OTP on hand, but I don't have equipment to actually look at the chip structure though :(	[07:23]
mircea_popescu	well the others you really can't have a problem with. because who'd you have a problem with ? they're not here.	[07:23]
mircea_popescu	o look at that, fico lost!	[07:23]
dignork	asciilifeform, it's a complex device containing OTP, so not a strict match	[07:24]
Apocalyptic	yeah mircea_popescu, i'm so happy	[07:26]
mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic hm ?	[07:28]
Apocalyptic	fico is the last thing slovakia needs right now	[07:28]
mircea_popescu	a a	[07:29]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18900 @ 0.00094694 = 17.8972 BTC [+]	[07:32]
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tg2	It's there any traction to have the irs change their stance on btc?	[07:41]
tg2	They basically made it a paperwork disaster to actually tax it	[07:41]
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chetty	get the IRS to change? you ARE joking?	[07:42]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg5937860#msg5937860 and another layer of scammyness unfolds.	[07:43]
ozbot	[IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings	[07:43]
mircea_popescu	so apparently lmb gifted itself a hefty 28% equity stake post-ipo ?	[07:44]
tg2	Well who votes on tax rates	[07:47]
tg2	Not the irs	[07:47]
tg2	Ergo they should be susceptible to change	[07:47]
chetty	no one votes on IRS rules	[07:47]
tg2	The irs only collects	[07:47]
MisterE	no they made powerful administrative rules too	[07:48]
tg2	Voted on by... ?	[07:48]
tg2	C ca	[07:48]
tg2	There should be an avenue to have those rules revised	[07:48]
chetty	rules and regulations ... no one votes	[07:48]
MisterE	they have an internal committee of bureaucrats probably	[07:48]
MisterE	might take public comment	[07:49]
Apocalyptic	this jimmothy guy is halirious	[07:49]
Apocalyptic	*hilarious	[07:49]
Apocalyptic	damn i need to sleep	[07:49]
mircea_popescu	so go sleep	[07:49]
mircea_popescu	it ain't going anywhere.	[07:49]
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tg2	They have their irc code	[07:54]
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tg2	Federal court ruling sits higher than agency interpretive regulations	[07:55]
nubbins`	jimmothy	[07:56]
nubbins`	pretty sure he's a paid shill for whoever has a buck	[07:56]
tg2	And IRS Revenue Rulings, which I would assume the btc guidance fell under	[07:56]
MisterE	yea but challenging those regulations is not possible for mere mortals	[07:56]
nubbins`	also, neobee: lel	[07:57]
MisterE	heh yea	[07:57]
tg2	one might assume that those remain attainable for somebody	[07:57]
tg2	If there was a landmark supreme court case	[07:57]
Apocalyptic	too bad TAT is mixed up in this	[07:58]
tg2	It feels like the irs just said "here's our stance" and left the door open to an overriding ruling from a larger authority	[07:58]
nubbins`	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2014&bots=true#485655	[07:58]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[07:59]
nubbins`	such lels	[07:59]
nubbins`	Apocalyptic: might as well read the whole day	[07:59]
ThickAsThieves	so apparently lmb gifted itself a hefty 28% equity stake post-ipo /// To my knowledge LMB never gifted itself anything nor moved shares to Havelock	[08:01]
ThickAsThieves	there was a portion seperately allocated for employee program of some sort I think, not tradable	[08:01]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves well, here's the problem :	[08:02]
mircea_popescu	Public investors currently hold 5,042,638 LMB Holdings shares (31.5164875% of the profits), whilst LMB Subsidiaries Limited (UK) shall hold 10,957,362 shares 68.4835125% of the profits), for a total of 16,000,000 LMB Holdings virtual shares, which represent 100% of the global profits of the LMB Subsidiaries Limited (UK).	[08:02]
mircea_popescu	this is an update of the previous version, which read :	[08:02]
mircea_popescu	Public investors will hold 9,600,000 LMB Holdings shares (60% of the profits), whilst LMB Subsidiaries Limited (UK) shall hold 6,400,000 shares (40% of the profits), for a total of 16,000,000 LMB Holdings virtual shares, which represent 100% of the global profits of the LMB Subsidiaries Limited (UK).	[08:02]
ThickAsThieves	basically the unsold shares sat unsold afaik	[08:02]
mircea_popescu	the net effect of this change is for lmb to gift itself a significant portion of the equity.	[08:02]
ThickAsThieves	only the 31% wouldve been eligible for the initial divs	[08:02]
mircea_popescu	the figures seem to be 68.4x% and 40%.	[08:03]
nubbins`	but that's 28.x% for free	[08:03]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.65252998 = 1.9576 BTC [+] {2}	[08:03]
mircea_popescu	i guess this is why no gpg contract = scam, pretty much.	[08:03]
mircea_popescu	as far as i know every pdf-ipo to date has done this sort of thing	[08:04]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04539999 = 0.1816 BTC [+]	[08:04]
tg2	Unfortunately there is no reprimand even declaring profitability	[08:05]
Apocalyptic	nubbins`, thanks for the link, i'm reading	[08:05]
mircea_popescu	tg2 that didn't parse.	[08:05]
nubbins`	^	[08:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.65253014 BTC [+]	[08:05]
tg2	S/reprimand/consequence	[08:05]
tg2	Falsely declaring profitability	[08:06]
tg2	Who is keeping the company truthful about their earnings	[08:06]
tg2	ie rent	[08:06]
mod6		[08:06]
mod6	oops	[08:07]
mircea_popescu	this is a major problem, generally speaking.	[08:07]
nubbins`	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2014&bots=true#456142	[08:07]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[08:07]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` myeah.	[08:08]
tg2	I have a model which would be great for this kind of transparency	[08:08]
nubbins`	on the bright side, a bunch of people in cyprus got several months worth of salary that they wouldn't have had otherwise	[08:08]
nubbins`	so there's that	[08:08]
nubbins`	practically a success	[08:09]
xdotcomm_	tg2: what model?	[08:09]
tg2	Marketplace	[08:09]
xdotcomm_	like ebay	[08:09]
tg2	No, a good one	[08:09]
xdotcomm_	or like nyse	[08:09]
tg2	Marketplace for anything	[08:10]
xdotcomm_	elaborate please	[08:10]
xdotcomm_	like craigslist?	[08:10]
tg2	Like a decentralized craigslist	[08:10]
xdotcomm_	problem with craigslist is there is no rankings	[08:11]
tg2	Yeah	[08:11]
nubbins`	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2014&bots=true#485755	[08:11]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[08:11]
nubbins`	just pasting things here	[08:11]
tg2	That and their code is from 1999	[08:11]
nubbins`	no big deal	[08:11]
nubbins`	xdotcomm_, tg2: those are problems?	[08:11]
tg2	Can be, yes	[08:12]
xdotcomm_	its tough because you gotta make it so much better then craigslist + ebay ... otherwise no go.. they already have the masses	[08:13]
nubbins`	#bitcoin-assets: where $150m/y is a problem	[08:13]
mircea_popescu	"The trading is simply frozen; unless they tore down the building and sold the rubble Im pretty sure that NEO's offices will be open come Monday."	[08:13]
mircea_popescu	wait, the theory is that these people bought an office building too ?!	[08:13]
tg2	Kijiji shits on craigslist	[08:13]
mircea_popescu	!t h neobee	[08:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK:NEOBEE] 1D: / 0 / (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00155000 / 0.0024427 / 0.00327700 (113780 shares, 277.92986804 BTC), 30D: 0.00155000 / 0.00351926 / 0.00567777 (493675 shares, 1737.37018237 BTC)	[08:14]
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xdotcomm_	5 to 10x better for early adapters and 10 to 20 for the masses	[08:14]
xdotcomm_	tg2: kijji > craigslist thats y in Canada its #1	[08:15]
tg2	Eventually it'll take over in the us	[08:18]
xdotcomm_	they will never end http://digitalinterface.blogspot.ca/2014/03/strangecoin-proposal-for-nonlinear.html	[08:18]
tg2	Ebay owns it	[08:18]
xdotcomm_	yea	[08:18]
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TestingUnoDosTre	.d	[08:27]
ozbot	5.007 billion \| Next Diff in 1149 blocks \| Estimated Change: 14.7374% in 6d 19h 11m 34s	[08:27]
TestingUnoDosTre	alright I've asked this before, but I got disconnected. Why does gribble have such a lower prediction for next difficulty compared to bitcoinwisdom. Is one sampling way more or way less blocks than the other?	[08:28]
mircea_popescu	TestingUnoDosTre perhaps check the log ?	[08:29]
TestingUnoDosTre	ahhh yes. There was some lag inbetween when I was checking it and disconnected	[08:29]
TestingUnoDosTre	now it should be good	[08:29]
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TestingUnoDosTre	scratch that, it looks like no one answered	[08:30]
nubbins`	no, i remember someone answering	[08:31]
mircea_popescu	what, you get different logs where you live ?	[08:31]
Apocalyptic	depends if kako has edited it or not I guess	[08:32]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-03-2014#592194	[08:32]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[08:32]
nubbins`	kako, editor of logs	[08:32]
[\]	I'm glad we pay these people: http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/getcovered/10.gif	[08:33]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg5978604#msg5978604 check out this epic shit. apparently i'm a bad person because i don't suck now.	[08:33]
ozbot	[IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings	[08:33]
TestingUnoDosTre	ahhh thank you	[08:33]
mircea_popescu	[\] da fuck is that supposed to be	[08:34]
nubbins`	heheh	[08:34]
TestingUnoDosTre	it says bitcoinwisdom uses a mix of 2016 long term linear and 504 short term linear to estimate	[08:34]
mircea_popescu	this andy greenberg imbecile is really getting my goat.	[08:34]
TestingUnoDosTre	at least that's what one redditor claimed	[08:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00094615 = 7.5692 BTC [-]	[08:35]
mircea_popescu	poor finley already said he's not it. actually, what he said was, "i could claim it and go to my grave a celebrated inventor. it'd be sweet. however... i did not do it, sadly. stop hounding me."	[08:35]
mircea_popescu	what does forshitbes do ? hounds him.	[08:35]
mircea_popescu	journos belong in penal colonies,	[08:35]
mircea_popescu	and i'm not even tyrant yet./	[08:35]
[\]	woah	[08:37]
[\]	so I'm late to the party	[08:37]
[\]	NeoBee has pulled a runner?	[08:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.65 BTC [-]	[08:38]
mircea_popescu	[\] well they're having a great weekend so far.	[08:39]
[\]	and isn't NeoBee the guys helping 'fix' bitfunder/weex?	[08:40]
[\]	aren't*	[08:40]
dexX7	"Danny doesn't need to talk directly to shareholders and customers." ... wow, reaching that point was faster then i expected (i didn't at all)	[08:40]
mircea_popescu	[\] they were the guys that spoke out of turn on the topic and then never brought it up again.	[08:41]
mircea_popescu	dexX7 you just think so because you're a one man band that never leaves his appartment.	[08:41]
mircea_popescu	if you were rich and successful you'd see.	[08:41]
nubbins`	someone should just IPO a series of magazine ads and six months salary and get it over with	[08:43]
[\]	lol	[08:43]
nubbins`	give up the facade	[08:43]
[\]	brilliant idea	[08:44]
nubbins`	just found a wart on my finger. turns out it's dough.	[08:44]
*	nubbins` fist-pumps	[08:44]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` in point of case, it's a major improvement over the previous stuff	[08:44]
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mircea_popescu	which did google ads at best.	[08:44]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.65 = 1.3 BTC [-]	[08:45]
bocobit	hows it going guys	[08:45]
bocobit	i've got a question	[08:45]
Duffer1	ni hao	[08:45]
bocobit	why doesn't Andreas Antnonopoulos have a wiki?	[08:45]
mircea_popescu	perhaps he didn't install one ?	[08:46]
Duffer1	he's a speaker	[08:46]
dignork	bocobit, he wrote a book instead :)	[08:46]
bocobit	I'm just trying to find out some info on him like where he's from/ past work ect.	[08:47]
mircea_popescu	bocobit why not just ask him ?	[08:47]
mircea_popescu	has a twitter or an email or something im sure ?	[08:47]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.63174527 = 1.2635 BTC [-] {2}	[08:47]
nubbins`	3:17am, nice	[08:47]
nubbins`	i mean	[08:47]
nubbins`	nite	[08:47]
mircea_popescu	nn	[08:47]
nubbins`	(not nice)	[08:47]
mircea_popescu	Nighty Nubbins	[08:48]
mircea_popescu	stop deing bifficult.	[08:48]
nubbins`	NOODGIGHT	[08:48]
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mircea_popescu	"Some men enjoy dancing with other men without their tops on while others prefer the company of a woman two KFC family buckets away from upsetting the planet's rotational axis."	[08:49]
mircea_popescu	this dude can lay down the webhurt lawl.	[08:49]
dexX7	hm? what would i see, if i were rich and successful?	[08:50]
mircea_popescu	dexX7 how would i know ?	[08:50]
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mircea_popescu	(i'm just being very sarcastic because that thread's too funny to do anything else)	[08:51]
[\]	neo pr was active for a week after their last post	[08:51]
andyfletcher	dexX7, you would have to tell us which direction you were looking	[08:51]
dexX7	hehe k	[08:52]
mircea_popescu	but generally speaking, you would be seeing cleavage.	[08:52]
andyfletcher	assuming the lights are on	[08:53]
tg2	Pleural form of cleavage	[08:54]
mircea_popescu	i think if you're rich and successful one of the perks is that you can see cleavage even through the dark.	[08:54]
mircea_popescu	or clothes.	[08:54]
ThickAsThieves	;;ticker	[08:56]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 476.06, Best ask: 479.14, Bid-ask spread: 3.08000, Last trade: 479.43, 24 hour volume: 10237.77098943, 24 hour low: 473.67, 24 hour high: 506.41, 24 hour vwap: 492.153544837	[08:56]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.05566386 = 0.4453 BTC [-] {5}	[08:56]
mircea_popescu	i thought there was supposed to be super-duper heavy support at 500	[08:56]
mircea_popescu	what scam is this!	[08:56]
ThickAsThieves	enky says 430 or thereabouts	[08:57]
ThickAsThieves	i'm inclined to agree	[08:57]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.00012 = 0.36 BTC [-] {4}	[08:58]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2600 @ 0.00012001 = 0.312 BTC [+] {2}	[09:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0454 = 0.1362 BTC [+]	[09:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0458 = 0.229 BTC [+]	[09:06]
mircea_popescu	"Nearly 1,900 Veterans Committed Suicide In Just 2014 Alone"	[09:07]
mircea_popescu	i guess the bankers aren't suddenly all that exceptional.	[09:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0459 = 0.2295 BTC [+]	[09:07]
andyfletcher	wonder how many died on deployment in the same period	[09:08]
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mircea_popescu	http://icasualties.org/OEF/index.aspx	[09:09]
ozbot	iCasualties \| Operation Enduring Freedom \| Afghanistan	[09:09]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.00586892 = 0.4695 BTC [-] {4}	[09:12]
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benkay	hey!	[09:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.62500105 = 1.25 BTC [-] {2}	[09:31]
benkay	i'm not dead yet, despite your best efforts	[09:31]
benkay	although all of my calories are ethanol derived	[09:31]
benkay	someone told me this is unhealthy	[09:31]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.62044563 = 6.8249 BTC [-] {7}	[09:33]
benkay	!l m s.mpoe	[09:33]
assbot	Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00094615 BTC [-]	[09:33]
benkay	!l h rent	[09:33]
assbot	Last trade for RENT on HAVELOCK was at 0.0073 BTC [+]	[09:33]
benkay	the next rent round is almost not bullshit, youse guise?	[09:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62 BTC [-]	[09:34]
benkay	;;later tell tg2 llolzlzolozlzolzolol self-stopping doors	[09:35]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[09:35]
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tg2	Later while online thxm8	[09:38]
benkay	u think i ams no tab compl?	[09:38]
benkay	the tg2 operators nevar sleep	[09:39]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 543 @ 0.00616386 = 3.347 BTC [-] {10}	[09:40]
benkay	moiety: you have great taste in chain	[09:40]
tg2	benkay your segway doesn't even have doors how would you understand this market	[09:41]
benkay	segue?	[09:42]
benkay	to something interdasting i hope	[09:42]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.61125954 = 6.7239 BTC [-] {3}	[09:43]
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xdotcomm_	benkay: i saw portlandia today ... is it based on your personality?	[09:45]
benkay	oh, both socks at once?	[09:45]
benkay	guys u gotta do betta	[09:45]
tg2	how hard we gotta sock	[09:46]
tg2	last time a sock gave you this much pleasure it ended up stuck to the laundry hamper	[09:46]
benkay	brilli-allent	[09:47]
tg2	> concept of friendship foreign, must be socks	[09:47]
tg2	;;ident benkay	[09:48]
gribble	Nick 'benkay', with hostmask 'benkay!~user@216-161-94-151.ptld.qwest.net', is not identified.	[09:48]
tg2	gpg up noob	[09:48]
benkay	if only you got to do that	[09:48]
tg2	if only we ate our own dogfood	[09:49]
mircea_popescu	tg2 soo, you two are friends ?	[09:49]
tg2	which two?!	[09:49]
benkay	tg2 and xdotcomm_ , sitting in a tree	[09:49]
tg2	xdotcomm_ is my deputy sock obv	[09:49]
benkay	(f.e.l.l.a.t.i.n.g.)	[09:50]
benkay	anyways, upstairs sez beers.	[09:51]
benkay	night, gents.	[09:51]
xdotcomm_	mircea_popescu: we have known each other... but none of us has helped one another move	[09:51]
tg2	lol	[09:51]
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mircea_popescu	xdotcomm_ lol i c	[09:51]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.05719913 = 0.2288 BTC [+] {2}	[09:51]
xdotcomm_	in north america you can only be friends if you move couches for each other during moves	[09:51]
tg2	we are the best of business friends but the worst of IRL friends	[09:51]
tg2	this guy sold me a broken gong	[09:51]
xdotcomm_	99% online relationship	[09:51]
mircea_popescu	o i thought "help each other move" is when you seduce the other's wife and so now he has to find a motel.	[09:52]
tg2	and then never even gave it to me	[09:52]
xdotcomm_	tg2: sold a server as well then stole it back	[09:52]
tg2	;;rate xdotcomm_ -10 sold me a broken gong and then never even gave it to me	[09:52]
gribble	Error: You have to have received some ratings in order to rate other users.	[09:52]
xdotcomm_	ive been trying to pay back for years for that	[09:52]
tg2	sells me a server "sick deal bro, dual quad core xeon 32G ram"	[09:52]
xdotcomm_	SSD!	[09:52]
tg2	wake up the next day	[09:53]
tg2	car windows smashed in	[09:53]
tg2	server no longer there	[09:53]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0463 = 0.1389 BTC [+]	[09:53]
tg2	i'm gonna reck ur otc rating when I get one	[09:53]
xdotcomm_	i need to get the weight of unfairness shifted somehow	[09:54]
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xdotcomm_	been trying hard	[09:54]
xdotcomm_	for party bring magnum vodka bottle...	[09:54]
tg2	who's gonna administer the bet on bitbet about how long until one of us gets rating	[09:54]
xdotcomm_	we can cheat and sell cheap btc	[09:54]
xdotcomm_	@ loss	[09:54]
tg2	solid biz plan	[09:55]
xdotcomm_	get best strippers for the party	[09:55]
xdotcomm_	i try hard	[09:55]
TestingUnoDosTre	rate xdotcomm 2 . comment this guy has no clue how much tell sell btc for	[09:55]
tg2	lol	[09:55]
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xdotcomm_	for realz	[09:56]
tg2	for real tho he called the doge spike about 2 hours before it climed from 54 to 290	[09:56]
tg2	made me lots of btc's	[09:56]
tg2	off of scrubcoins	[09:56]
xdotcomm_	it was a savant moment	[09:56]
tg2	now its going back there	[09:56]
tg2	lol	[09:56]
xdotcomm_	i can just give access to my tranny paysite to everyone in this chan.. probably get mad ratings	[09:57]
xdotcomm_	exclusive tranny contents	[09:57]
tg2	mpex crashes, havelock closes	[09:57]
tg2	ghost chan	[09:57]
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*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://log.bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com	[16:05]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 5 21:56:33 2014	[16:05]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg5980210#msg5980210	[16:07]
mircea_popescu	pls t	[16:07]
ozbot	[IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings	[16:07]
mircea_popescu	pls to have informations ty.	[16:07]
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psterryl	the more herp talks the more he comes across as extremely paranoid and pretty delusional	[16:09]
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psterryl!@	added to ignore list.	[16:10]
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mircea_popescu	ahh that thread is too delicious	[16:17]
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moiety	bitpop is still going?! ffs	[16:37]
mircea_popescu	o look who's here. when did the menuls let you out of the cage moiety ?	[16:39]
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moiety	earlier, but i went to do things (mothers day here) - thats why they released me XD how are you mircea_popescu?	[16:41]
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mircea_popescu	oh you know, all butthurt about how nobody is using mpex anymore because i'm a dinosaur	[16:42]
mircea_popescu	here in my old apartment, with the chains...	[16:42]
*	moiety hands mircea_popescu the tissues	[16:42]
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moiety	there there	[16:42]
mircea_popescu	and this half pound of hand made chocolate pralines i bought yesterday from the... uh... from the pantry	[16:42]
moiety	pralines are ace, they should numb the pain	[16:43]
mircea_popescu	oh, but nothing can ever dull the pain of dissaproval by a bunch of anon tards on a forum somewhere.	[16:44]
mircea_popescu	that's the worst.	[16:44]
moiety	do you not still have the form i gave you? to the logs!	[16:44]
mircea_popescu	i really am having too much fun online these days.	[16:44]
mircea_popescu	how the fuck would one not is the question. this beats anything steve martin ever did.	[16:45]
moiety	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg5981543#msg5981543 this thread has me reading the forum again and the dank bank	[16:45]
ozbot	[IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings	[16:45]
mircea_popescu	the dank bank was epic lmao. -pr sends me the link with "you have to check this out" in the comment field, which you know, the fuck do i know what it is ?	[16:46]
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mircea_popescu	totally blindsided me, i was roaring laughing.	[16:46]
moiety	me too lol insta-watch list addition for me	[16:46]
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mircea_popescu	i think there's enough material of good crazy quality on that forum so far to hack the borg cube.	[16:47]
mircea_popescu	just you know... hash it, or something.	[16:47]
moiety	lololol more than enough	[16:48]
moiety	its the only reason to be there really, for me anyways	[16:48]
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mircea_popescu	this is what, the... fourth installment of "we shall make our own webexchange and become rich out of lunch money" attempt that blew up ?	[16:49]
mircea_popescu	definitely looking forward to 2015.	[16:49]
moiety	XD only four?	[16:49]
*	andyfletcher is waiting for the headline "N&B CEO: Aliens ate our btc"	[16:49]
moiety	;; later tell BingoBoingo https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=444700.0 this is you isn't it?!	[16:50]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[16:50]
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mircea_popescu	andyfletcher you happen to have that pic of 5 people, neo "ceo" guy on left, tuur guy next to him then 3 actual adults ?	[16:50]
deadweasel	the forums are seething with ignorance, I should block bitcointalk at the router.	[16:50]
mircea_popescu	some guy from the local uni etc	[16:50]
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moiety	but but comedy	[16:51]
*	andyfletcher doesn't have the pic, but can imagine it	[16:51]
deadweasel	I can't block it, it's too rich.	[16:52]
MGK	where can I mine for PPS?	[16:52]
moiety	i've had a fair bit of idiocy to catch up on after ignoring btctalk existance for quite some time	[16:52]
mircea_popescu	MGK which are those ?	[16:53]
MGK	Pay Per Share	[16:53]
mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/V40ebZQ.jpg it was something like that.	[16:53]
MGK	any pools still use that payment method?	[16:53]
mircea_popescu	MGK o you mean pools ? hm.	[16:54]
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mircea_popescu	probably not. wasn't it eminently defraudable in some manner ?	[16:54]
MGK	yes pool that has PPS payment option	[16:54]
moiety	irrelevant but that room is gorgeous	[16:55]
mircea_popescu	well i imagine it musta been reasonably expensive.	[16:55]
MGK	Not totally sure	[16:55]
moiety	why do these places pair gorgeous ceilings with awful carpetting?! everywhere!	[16:56]
chetty	cause trolls have muddy feet	[16:57]
mircea_popescu	moiety it's an expense thing. expensive carpeting is expensive to maintain. gorgeous ceilings are a one time only sort of expense.	[16:58]
moiety	good point.. let them have linoleum!	[16:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 312 @ 0.00088832 = 0.2772 BTC [+]	[16:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00088832 = 0.1777 BTC [+]	[17:00]
mircea_popescu	"let them have linoleum and aim for the stars!"	[17:00]
moiety	could veen be marble pattern...	[17:04]
moiety	even*	[17:04]
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moiety	imagine ukraine voted in darth vader.. what are they thinking running?!	[17:04]
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MGK	anyone know how much IXC is or what that even is? and is dev coin worth anything?	[17:13]
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mircea_popescu	you'll find few people here care about altcoins, outside perhaps atc and ltc, or to make fun of dodge.	[17:14]
MGK	only asked because ghash.io gives me them for mining bitcoin on their pool	[17:16]
MGK	and I have a decent amount now figured id ask about them	[17:17]
ThickAsThieves	i'd it stands for intraexchange currency	[17:17]
ThickAsThieves	and they probably issue it themselves as a token of some sort	[17:17]
ThickAsThieves	guess*	[17:17]
ThickAsThieves	;;google what is IXC at ghash.io	[17:18]
gribble	GHash.IO - Bitcoin: ; Reason why miners like me won't leave GHASH.IO or won't stop ...: ; FAQ – CEX.IO:	[17:18]
MGK	you cant trade IXC or Dev on their exchange so why would they hand them out? Must not be worth anything is what im thinking	[17:18]
ThickAsThieves	http://www.ixcoin.co/	[17:19]
ThickAsThieves	"The Inter eXchange Coin"	[17:19]
punkman1	just an old altcoin that can be merge-mined	[17:19]
MGK	thanks	[17:20]
ThickAsThieves	thank google	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	i suppose merge mining does that, there'll be lots of abandocoins	[17:22]
ThickAsThieves	you should check it out: www.google.com	[17:22]
mircea_popescu	ie, stuff nobody cares about anymore but since they're merge-mined there's plenty floating around	[17:22]
MGK	wow never heard of google, great find!	[17:23]
mircea_popescu	lol	[17:24]
ThickAsThieves	it's hit and miss, but useful	[17:24]
mircea_popescu	I wonder if there's anyone who actually said this honestly today, somewhere on the planet	[17:24]
punkman1	likely	[17:26]
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mircea_popescu	how tho. i mean most browsers ship with it embedded	[17:29]
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punkman1	well kids are being born every second	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	but much akin people of the 90s though the blue ms explorer icon was "the internet"	[17:30]
mircea_popescu	just so people of the 2010s at that level have no particular understanding of google as apart from the normal functioning of their browser	[17:30]
ThickAsThieves	well you did say anyone in the world	[17:31]
ThickAsThieves	plenty in remote areas never heard of it i assume	[17:32]
ThickAsThieves	90yo grandmas in developing countries	[17:32]
ThickAsThieves	grammy this is google!	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	hm	[17:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06611111 = 0.6611 BTC [+]	[17:33]
mircea_popescu	trying to imagine the world is such a mind boggling exercise.	[17:33]
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punkman1	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=549572.0;all	[17:35]
ozbot	[ANN] Litecoin [LTC] X11 hardfork at block 564,480	[17:35]
MGK	have you ever travelled much?	[17:36]
mircea_popescu	MGK yes.	[17:36]
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mircea_popescu	punkman1 ouch.	[17:36]
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punkman1	alt-altcoin	[17:37]
mircea_popescu	MisterE: heh, I got a little nervous nelly today, thought we were going to test 400, so I sold some coin for 484 that I bought at 505 :/ << that's how fortunes are made.	[17:37]
mircea_popescu	other people's, but what's in a genitive.	[17:37]
mircea_popescu	"To lower the footprint of LTC and retain GPU mineability, the algorithm of our choice is X11." footprint in what sense ?	[17:38]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9150 @ 0.00094462 = 8.6433 BTC [-]	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	has "footprint" become one of those words ?	[17:38]
punkman1	environmental footprint most likely	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	but gpus are pretty inefficient	[17:39]
punkman1	and these people are not people	[17:39]
mircea_popescu	course it makes exactly zero difference, in the end.	[17:39]
mircea_popescu	people will expend as much energy as they're willing to expend, how many hashes that yields is a purely conventional measure	[17:40]
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ThickAsThieves	I do wonder if LTC ASICs will kill it	[17:40]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves well, the forum crowd still hoping to "strike it rich" on their ten bux will proclaim it dead	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	or "a scam", either way.	[17:41]
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ThickAsThieves	;;ticker	[17:41]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 442.9, Best ask: 447.26, Bid-ask spread: 4.36000, Last trade: 442.9, 24 hour volume: 18908.29228525, 24 hour low: 442.89, 24 hour high: 501.9, 24 hour vwap: 473.125631005	[17:41]
ThickAsThieves	looks like that bottom will be put to the test	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	but that aside ltc was always an iffy proposition. and contrary to what the proponents were screaming, it hasn't really been lifted by btc so much.	[17:41]
ThickAsThieves	to me its only offer was pretty much what Altcoin proclaims	[17:42]
ThickAsThieves	to be the clearest alt in the fog	[17:42]
ThickAsThieves	but the fog is so thick now	[17:42]
ThickAsThieves	and newcomers cant see it	[17:42]
ThickAsThieves	to newcomers ltc has to win on the same ground as any other alt	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	i think this is actually true.	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	as outlandish as it may sound	[17:43]
turbo_ac100	(16:37:25) mircea_popescu: MisterE: heh, I got a little nervous nelly today, thought we were going to test 400, so I sold some coin for 484 that I bought at 505 :/ << that's how fortunes are made. << oracle of delphi, alexander the great	[17:43]
ThickAsThieves	all it has left, is its liquidity	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	lol	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves the liquidity problem of a crypto coin is problematic. i could present the following argument that atc actually has better liquidity :	[17:44]
mircea_popescu	the ratio between people willing to buy to support it and people needing to sell to pay for their mining is better.	[17:44]
MisterE	stamp testing 440 so not feeling too bad about it ;)	[17:44]
midnightmagic	mikaeldice MiningBuddy mircea_popescu MisterE mixdio_	[17:44]
midnightmagic	mikaeldice MiningBuddy mircea_popescu MisterE mixdio_	[17:44]
mircea_popescu	MisterE you already booked your loss no matter what other things happen around you.	[17:45]
ThickAsThieves	indeed	[17:45]
MisterE	yep	[17:45]
ThickAsThieves	however, I also suspect LTC may be used for money laundering	[17:45]
mircea_popescu	see, i bought 60 coins for 1k dollars in 2011. all through 2012 this was ~1k dollars loss.	[17:45]
ThickAsThieves	which makes a market for it	[17:45]
mircea_popescu	however, i never realised it, and so i can book a gain on that buy now if i feel like it.	[17:45]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves what does that even mena ?	[17:45]
ThickAsThieves	well people selling btc for ltc trying to mix things	[17:46]
MisterE	trying to use the ratio to coin up	[17:46]
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VanCleef	mircea needs to cash out and drive it back to single digits	[17:47]
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moiety	my arsedness to deal with alts depletes everyday	[17:52]
ThickAsThieves	Estimated Next Difficulty: 6,029,609,483 (+20.43%)	[17:52]
VanCleef	this bitcoiner that works upstairs from my office just jumped out from his window	[17:55]
deadweasel	suicide?	[17:57]
[KS]	MP: you have some fans in teh Neo thread :)	[17:57]
ThickAsThieves	are you gonna pick his pockets?	[17:57]
VanCleef	#bitcoinsucidehelpline	[17:58]
ThickAsThieves	KS I think some of the quotes of MP you posted might be out of context	[17:58]
ThickAsThieves	the first two lines, I think he was talking about Litecoin	[17:59]
ThickAsThieves	but maybe not...	[17:59]
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nubbins`	https://twitter.com/RPMCBC/status/450263996713926656	[18:00]
ozbot	Twitter / RPMCBC: Now playing ... uh.. D**k Surgery ...	[18:00]
*	nubbins` cackles	[18:00]
nubbins`	i wonder what sort of royalties i'm entitled to	[18:00]
VanCleef	tat got out of neobee at the perfect time	[18:00]
[KS]	TAT: really? whuddathunk? :)	[18:01]
ThickAsThieves	odds are there were more perfect times VanCleef	[18:01]
VanCleef	yeh?	[18:01]
[KS]	I'm making fun of MPOE PR but she's not biting :(	[18:01]
[KS]	:)	[18:01]
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kakobrekla	;;gettrust [KS]	[18:02]
gribble	Error: "KS" is not a valid command.	[18:02]
VanCleef	i like it when she bites...just a lil bit no raking	[18:02]
ThickAsThieves	hax	[18:02]
kakobrekla	dafuq	[18:02]
kakobrekla	you in the wot son?	[18:02]
[KS]	I'm protected by the NSA	[18:02]
[KS]	:)	[18:03]
kakobrekla	its something you answer with yes or no, not a smiley face	[18:03]
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kakobrekla	but i take its a no	[18:03]
[KS]	correct	[18:03]
[KS]	(my previous "answer" was for 3 lines before)	[18:04]
mircea_popescu	[KS] i am dearly beloved wherever idiots gather.	[18:05]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` perhaps free moyle services for lyf ?	[18:05]
kakobrekla	re beloved: things which are alike, in nature, grow to look alike.	[18:06]
nubbins`	unfortunately i slept in, so i'm not sure which track they played	[18:07]
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mircea_popescu	kakobrekla hehehe	[18:08]
mircea_popescu	"unfortunately confirmed with Niccocia that BREWSTER fled the country with thousands of coins from the IPVO and employees, unpaid employees and milions of dues to local businesses"	[18:08]
mircea_popescu	no fucking way anyone was stupid enough to credit that dude with millions.	[18:08]
punkman1	why not?	[18:09]
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mircea_popescu	well i don't know how they do it in cyprus, but i've never extended millions in commercial credit on unpaid accounts.	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	generally you let a customer walk with a few k's, then they pay that... takes someone even mid level many years to work themselves up to where they can run a tab in the millions	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	whereas this teenager suddenly appeared last summer.	[18:11]
nubbins`	"i'll pay you for all those magazine ads soon, i swear"	[18:12]
the20year2	thecluck TheSeven thestringpuller ThickAsThieves thoa_afk	[18:12]
mircea_popescu	[KS] yes, my two lines in https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg5984734#msg5984734 were actually a reply to ThickAsThieves' comment about litecoin	[18:12]
mircea_popescu	you read teh rules ?	[18:12]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 74 @ 0.06271513 = 4.6409 BTC [-] {8}	[18:12]
chetty	I'll gladly pay you on Tuesday for a hamburger today	[18:12]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` ok, that may be an exception, seeing how nobody is interested in buying ads, and ESPECIALLY not at list prices, so if you're the sort of schmuck that may be tricked into it and they have nothing else to run anyway,	[18:12]
nubbins`	[KS] quoting out of context? tsk	[18:13]
mircea_popescu	they just might run $50k worth of ads and pretend they're owed $1.050 mn	[18:13]
mircea_popescu	but anyway, if you're curious : the last time i bought ads, cca 2006, i simply crossed out anyone who wasn't willing to go UNDER 50% of list price, and just negotiated with everyone else.	[18:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 86 @ 0.06063386 = 5.2145 BTC [-] {5}	[18:13]
mircea_popescu	on average i paid if memory serves ~31% or so.	[18:13]
mircea_popescu	anyone thinking they can build a business out of paying ratecard has got a whole other layer of things wrong with their head.	[18:14]
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nubbins`	the problem is that btc space is still infested -- almost completely -- with rubes	[18:16]
ThickAsThieves	rates get really good towards deadline too	[18:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06050001 = 0.121 BTC [-]	[18:16]
nubbins`	drooling idiots falling over each other to "provide services", "offer funds", "invest", etc	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	myeah.	[18:17]
nubbins`	too many people hanging off the wheels of the airplane, i tell ya	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	but it's fuuuu...splotch	[18:17]
nubbins`	"my privately minted 10btc round is worth 40btc"	[18:18]
nubbins`	"we have a business plan"	[18:18]
nubbins`	etc	[18:18]
mircea_popescu	"we r ceo"	[18:18]
mircea_popescu	sounds like y-m-c-a	[18:18]
moiety	i was thinking D.I.S.C.O tune	[18:18]
nubbins`	"this idea will sell itself"	[18:19]
mircea_popescu	or that.	[18:20]
mircea_popescu	jesus fuck i can't believe how broken the internet is. anyway, investopedia is wrong. the definition of commercial credit has nothing to do with any bank.	[18:20]
mircea_popescu	commercial credit is created by any merchant that delivers goods to another but does not force them to pay right off.	[18:21]
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nubbins`	"we can make a hardware wallet"	[18:21]
mircea_popescu	this de-facto creates some extra money in the system, and the aggregate is known as "commercial credit"	[18:21]
nubbins`	"paper wallets are too confusing"	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	MGK: I heard this is the center of bitcoin, hello center << lol i had just missed that. hello mgk. who are you ?	[18:23]
[KS]	MP: I think you should pay me, I'm doing better PR than MPOE PR. Plus, I'm not deforming your words. Everything is verbatim! :)	[18:24]
nubbins`	[KS], i think YOU should pay ME!	[18:25]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-assets-rules-and-regulations/	[18:25]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets rules and regulations pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[18:25]
mircea_popescu	"On the other hand professional also implies that you understand how context works, and will never ever under any circumstances omit relevant context when quoting, especially when such omission changes the meaning of your quote and the quoted then has to point this out to you"	[18:26]
MGK	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=498002.220	[18:26]
nubbins`	^	[18:26]
nubbins`	rather, ^^	[18:26]
nubbins`	"i pasted a bunch of lines out of context in the forums, didn't link to the log, or even bother putting it inside a quote block. this guarantees that not only will nobody read it, but nobody who does can even verify its authenticity. i think you should pay me."	[18:27]
nubbins`	my sides, etc	[18:27]
[KS]	Yup. Except it wasn't quoting if its not in "quotes".	[18:28]
[KS]	http://www.grammarbook.com/punctuation/quotes.asp	[18:28]
nubbins`	you'll do well here	[18:28]
nubbins`	i can tell already	[18:28]
[KS]	I'll post 2 lines to make that clear if you want.	[18:28]
mircea_popescu	[KS] eh get out, you're an otherwise smart fellow about to paint himself in a corner trying to argue nonsense of the sake of nonsense.	[18:28]
nubbins`	^	[18:28]
mircea_popescu	it happens, irc is fluid, just fix it and forget about it.	[18:29]
nubbins`	thanks for the link to grammar book, btw	[18:29]
nubbins`	i literally did not know what quotation marks were	[18:29]
mircea_popescu	you mean "literally"	[18:29]
nubbins`	"thanks"	[18:30]
kakobrekla	does that mean 'being trashful'?	[18:30]
mircea_popescu	"oh yeah ? well i had sex with your wife!"	[18:30]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla "that".	[18:31]
nubbins`	http://distractify.com/people/the-30-most-unnecessary-uses-of-quotation-marks-in-history/	[18:31]
nubbins`	sorry for linking to some shit upworthy-esque website	[18:31]
nubbins`	but unnecessary quotes really tickle me	[18:31]
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mircea_popescu	o look. there's a bunch of cracked.coms now	[18:31]
bounce	http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/decdd76e-b50e-11e3-a746-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2xRpg9i00	[18:32]
ozbot	Save capitalism from the capitalists by taxing wealth - FT.com	[18:32]
blackwhite	hola peeps	[18:32]
blackwhite	http://digitalinterface.blogspot.com/2014/03/strangecoin-proposal-for-nonlinear.html	[18:32]
ozbot	digital interface: Strangecoin: a nonlinear currency	[18:32]
mircea_popescu	bounce sounds just about forum-y.	[18:32]
mircea_popescu	blackwhite cliffnotes ?	[18:33]
kakobrekla	its a bitcoin with if rand() ==== 4; goto fail;	[18:33]
deadweasel	nubbins`: lol @ Objects in quotation marks. For, you know, reasons.	[18:33]
mircea_popescu	deadweasel nubbins` you know someone on the forum put mircea popescu in quotes ?	[18:33]
nubbins`	"security guard"	[18:33]
nubbins`	mp lel	[18:33]
mircea_popescu	like you know... i'm an allegedly me sort of thing	[18:33]
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nubbins`	that's cute	[18:34]
deadweasel	allegedly	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	ahahahaha ring bell for "MEAT SERVICE"	[18:34]
bounce	$other_rag presented it as the short version of that guy's 600-odd page book. I'm sure he's got bad ideas mixed inextricably with the good like any economist would	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	totally needs a nude gal next to the frozen turkeys.	[18:34]
[KS]	" like you know... i'm an allegedly me sort of thing" - I can see a quote coming... :)	[18:35]
mircea_popescu	i dun recall where it was, maybe the neo bee thread	[18:35]
nubbins`	putting "thanks" in quotes is the best	[18:35]
mircea_popescu	He's the one who totally won't inject your breasts with cement. Totally not that one.	[18:35]
nubbins`	if you are "pregnant"...	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	i wonder how many women go around the daily chores of their cocksucking on camera life thinking they have saline solution breast implants	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	when in fact it's really urine.	[18:36]
deadweasel	yuck	[18:36]
deadweasel	why yo titties so sloshy bitch?	[18:37]
mircea_popescu	http://zeqps2k4t563atbs730zvzq12aw.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/1858.jpg	[18:38]
mircea_popescu	pretty good one	[18:38]
mircea_popescu	picture john cleese going "well it's not bloody england now is it!"	[18:39]
nubbins`	lel	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	http://zeqps2k4t563atbs730zvzq12aw.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/quote6.jpg aaaahahaha	[18:41]
nubbins`	immediately below: "management reserves the right to refuse service..."	[18:41]
Mats_cd03	id like my pee to be used to inflate boobies one day	[18:41]
Mats_cd03	what an honor	[18:41]
nubbins`	WHOA	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	you know "the throne" is common romanian parlance for the toilet bowl/seat ?	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	russian too afaik	[18:41]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 400 @ 0.00645971 = 2.5839 BTC [+] {9}	[18:42]
pankkake	french too	[18:42]
[KS]	MP there: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=post;topic=289730.4140;num_replies=4145	[18:42]
[KS]	happy? :)	[18:43]
nubbins`	english too	[18:43]
[KS]	I'm off. Good fun.	[18:43]
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nubbins`	aka porcelain throne	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	"Only registered members are allowed to access this section." da fuck was that.	[18:43]
nubbins`	aka the ralph & bob telephone	[18:43]
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mircea_popescu	"It’s 2010, and a passenger is trying to bring her live goldfish through security. One of my co-workers informs her that the fish can go through but the water cannot. The woman is on the verge of tears"	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	that'd be so epic. i'd have just taken the motherfucking fish.	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	seat it on the seat next to me	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	"sorry, obama's direct orders"	[18:45]
nubbins`	pop it in her mouth	[18:45]
mircea_popescu	supreme court says this is not a fish.	[18:45]
mircea_popescu	it's a tax.	[18:45]
nubbins`	there's usually water for sale on the other side of security	[18:45]
mircea_popescu	gold fish in mineral water	[18:45]
mircea_popescu	ahem. i mean "gold fish in mineral water"	[18:45]
nubbins`	i mean if the guard wasn't such a dick he'd have a glass of secure water on the other side of the xray	[18:45]
nubbins`	she could just pluck the fish out and pass it thru	[18:45]
mircea_popescu	stick a little q-tip in its mouyth first	[18:46]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.65984978 = 1.9795 BTC [+] {3}	[18:47]
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nubbins`	swab for explosives	[18:50]
nubbins`	good idea	[18:50]
mircea_popescu	some fish puff up	[18:50]
mircea_popescu	it's almost like an explosion.	[18:50]
nubbins`	incidentally we were dismantled and swabbed when returning from colombia	[18:50]
nubbins`	canada customs asked my travelling partner: "so how was the cocaine?"	[18:50]
nubbins`	never saw a man lose color so quickly	[18:51]
mircea_popescu	see, this is why you train the entourage.	[18:51]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11763 @ 0.00094429 = 11.1077 BTC [-] {2}	[18:51]
nubbins`	all they found on me was a GIGANTIC SPIDER hidden in my hammock	[18:51]
mircea_popescu	the correct response is "i can't remember, his cock was just fucking fantastic i forgot all about everything else"	[18:51]
nubbins`	i shouted JESUS CHRIST and the nice customs man stomped it to a paste	[18:51]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.44074060 BTC to 4`860 shares, 50221 satoshi per share	[18:59]
kakobrekla	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg5985816#msg5985816	[18:59]
ozbot	[IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings	[18:59]
kakobrekla	the high mpoe-pr priest has converted another one!	[18:59]
mircea_popescu	lmao who's cassandra-pr	[19:01]
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moiety	oh christ http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/30/this-200000-gold-ferrari-convertible-is-fit-for-a-kickboxing-champion-4683140/	[19:18]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 'pleasure throne' link from your 'twitter' seems to be a knock-off of the famous 'sybian' auto-wanker.	[19:18]
mircea_popescu	certainly.	[19:18]
asciilifeform	what's interesting is that the photo looks like it was taken at a tech trade show	[19:19]
mircea_popescu	and the two look like a sort of midwestern bouvard & pecuchet	[19:19]
asciilifeform	;;google teledildonics	[19:20]
gribble	Teledildonics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Teledildonics: The Weird, Wonderful World of Social Sex Toys: ; Teledildonics – there's an app for that! (NSFW) - Gizmag:	[19:20]
mircea_popescu	"Levy argued that by 2050 "sex with robots will be commonplace."	[19:21]
mircea_popescu	this is such a weak statement. sex with whatever has at hand has been commonplace since forever,	[19:22]
mircea_popescu	inasmuch as by sex you mean copulation and ejaculation	[19:22]
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TestingUnoDosTre	;;ticker	[19:37]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 440.04, Best ask: 440.37, Bid-ask spread: 0.33000, Last trade: 440.37, 24 hour volume: 24513.27393403, 24 hour low: 436.0, 24 hour high: 501.9, 24 hour vwap: 465.965967901	[19:37]
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tg2	Teledildonics	[19:53]
tg2	xdotcommer ^	[19:55]
tg2	Has a phd in this field	[19:55]
benkay	;;gpg everify benkay	[19:57]
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benkay	"A braindamaged assumption is that on account of any sort of “qualifications” or simply on account of your existence you’re pretty cool and certainly equal to anyone else. "	[19:59]
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benkay	the20year2: "The market is the best instrument for both pricing assets and allocating capital that humans have stumbled upon so far."	[20:00]
benkay	i forgot all about rules and regs	[20:00]
mircea_popescu	these words...	[20:00]
mircea_popescu	they sound familiar	[20:00]
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benkay	just sucking up, mp	[20:00]
benkay	http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-assets-rules-and-regulations/	[20:00]
mircea_popescu	o are you a sock ?	[20:00]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets rules and regulations pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[20:00]
benkay	i'm actually you	[20:00]
benkay	can't you tell by my rating?	[20:01]
benkay	it's all from your other socks.	[20:01]
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mircea_popescu	i aspire to have 365 pairs of socks	[20:02]
mircea_popescu	that way, i can launder money only once a year.	[20:02]
benkay	sounds sticky	[20:02]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i've often wondered if there is, somewhere, a literal 'money laundry' - for trips to Dubai, etc. where a nanogram of coke merits the firing squad	[20:03]
mircea_popescu	you can mostly just put it in the wash	[20:04]
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AccountantPierre	Bonjour	[20:04]
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benkay	allo	[20:04]
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mircea_popescu	salu	[20:05]
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AccountantPierre	I'm the treasurer over at the new Satoshi Nakamoto Institute. My colleague Daniel published a new piece today: http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/hyperbitcoinization/ Interested to hear intelligent opinions/feedback	[20:05]
benkay	;;google good money drives out bad	[20:06]
gribble	Gresham's law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Gresham's Law Definition \| Investopedia: ; Gresham's law (economics) -- Encyclopedia Britannica:	[20:06]
AccountantPierre	Thier's Law applies to Bitcoin, not Gresham's	[20:06]
benkay	kinda an old saw, this 'demonetization' thing.	[20:06]
mircea_popescu	AccountantPierre were you here before / are you related to Pierre Rochard ?	[20:07]
AccountantPierre	That's me	[20:07]
mircea_popescu	aite i'll read it once im done with this cunt size post for trilema.	[20:07]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: cunt size post ?!	[20:08]
asciilifeform	;;google go no go gauge	[20:08]
gribble	Go/no go gauge - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; GO/NO-GO GAUGE SETS \| Brownells: ; Go No Go Gauge \| eBay:	[20:08]
benkay	;;later tell BingoBoingo http://satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org/posts/	[20:08]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[20:08]
benkay	wd AccountantPierre	[20:08]
benkay	are those collections available as a single file?	[20:09]
AccountantPierre	benkay: enjoy https://github.com/NakamotoInstitute/nakamotoinstitute.org/blob/master/satoshiposts.json	[20:09]
benkay	o wow mises circle's been busy too	[20:11]
AccountantPierre	yep. We'll be transitioning all of our bitcoin posts from the mises circle to SNI	[20:12]
benkay	AccountantPierre: why is your name still on the Foundation website?	[20:12]
benkay	;;gettrust AccountantPierre	[20:12]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user AccountantPierre: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=AccountantPierre \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=AccountantPierre \| Rated since: never	[20:12]
AccountantPierre	Where?	[20:12]
benkay	https://members.bitcoinfoundation.org/current	[20:13]
AccountantPierre	huh, didn't know they publish that. I'm a big tent kind of guy, I post in the foundation forums	[20:13]
benkay	careful your tent doesn't get lit on fire by bfl shareholders	[20:14]
benkay	er	[20:14]
benkay	preorderer	[20:14]
benkay	arglarglargl	[20:14]
AccountantPierre	haha	[20:14]
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ozbot	5.007 billion \| Next Diff in 1077 blocks \| Estimated Change: 13.7098% in 6d 10h 37m 2s	[20:20]
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mircea_popescu	AccountantPierre who draw that cartoon ?	[20:22]
mircea_popescu	drew*	[20:22]
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mircea_popescu	AccountantPierre also this is prolly of interest re the entire hyperinflation/demonetisaiton : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2014#468962	[20:24]
B51Num1	BCB benkay bettyclamp bgupta BigBitz bit14__ blackwhite blg bloctoc bounce Bunnyh bwq	[20:24]
mircea_popescu	it is an old saw, as benkay points out. that particular link references earlier reports provided by herbi who actually run the pinksheets and found the highest stock increase in the history of stock increases fails to come within one degree of magnitude of bitcoin's.	[20:25]
moiety	http://i.imgur.com/e0tEBsV.jpg	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	so to sum up, the piece suffers from the same problem illustrated by the opening cartoon : a mostly banal piece with very poor references. surely people outside of the mises circle must have written about these matters, perhaps for years.	[20:26]
benkay	put it on a pleasure throne, moiety	[20:27]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.65982142 = 4.6187 BTC [+] {4}	[20:27]
moiety	hihi benkay, how goes today	[20:27]
asciilifeform	'pleasurethrone.com' appears defunct.	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	also disqus is fucking evil.	[20:27]
asciilifeform	guess they didn't sell that well	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	can you picture a woman buying dildos from those two guys ?	[20:28]
AccountantPierre	mircea_popescu: Daniel drew it. I'm thinking we'll phase out disqus and roll our own	[20:28]
mircea_popescu	they couldn't pass the genuine article for free.	[20:28]
mircea_popescu	AccountantPierre so then you know, say "Daniel drew it"	[20:28]
mircea_popescu	generally speaking you have no better way to ruin a first impression on the web than unsourced material	[20:29]
mircea_popescu	(other than perhaps bad tech solutions, a la disqus)	[20:29]
moiety	mircea_popescu: i thought that lol - the sign behind them says, "you are limited only by your imagination" errr and those chaps	[20:29]
mircea_popescu	moiety the idea of giving you a crown for fucking...	[20:30]
AccountantPierre	I'll take that criticism, but we do have to allocate our time as best we can	[20:31]
benkay	dunce cap	[20:31]
benkay	gotta work that into the routine	[20:31]
mircea_popescu	which part is the timesink ?	[20:31]
benkay	dunce cap and collar	[20:31]
AccountantPierre	creating a comments section	[20:32]
mircea_popescu	oh	[20:32]
moiety	lololol	[20:32]
AccountantPierre	benkay: I'll get started on making one, I need it a lot as twenty something	[20:32]
benkay	making which, AccountantPierre ?	[20:32]
AccountantPierre	the dunce cap	[20:32]
mircea_popescu	"There's no bigger joke than this mpex dude and his army of spamtroll donkeys." that's funny, because the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing a bunch of forum derps that he's running the largest shill stable in the world without having to actually pay a cent for it.	[20:33]
benkay	o hey look i don't even need to make my own sexy acoutremont any more, thanks -assets	[20:33]
mircea_popescu	AccountantPierre you know you can just register #satoshi-institute	[20:33]
mircea_popescu	or /we	[20:33]
mircea_popescu	"if you want to discuss our articles, click here"	[20:33]
benkay	nubbins`: lol'd @ http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-03-2014&bots=true#592998	[20:33]
nubbins`	bright fella	[20:34]
AccountantPierre	I like that idea, the issue is the lack of distinct threads	[20:34]
benkay	AccountantPierre: emails.	[20:36]
benkay	append to post.	[20:36]
benkay	do it ghetto stylee	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	may turn out to be an advantage. but anyway.	[20:36]
benkay	best thing is this makes for no comments	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	the main focus should be much better integration. i can appreciate that a trained accountant wants to keep things well separate	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	but the internet does not, nor does the brain.	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	nor, for that matter, bitcoin.	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	so, reference more.	[20:36]
AccountantPierre	true. Appreciate your thoughts. If people knew git they could do a pull request with their comment	[20:37]
mircea_popescu	conversely, maybe only getting comments from people who know git is a blessing.	[20:37]
mircea_popescu	i know only talking to people who can run irc has worked ok for me these past coupla years.	[20:38]
benkay	GIT COMMENTS	[20:38]
benkay	HORY SHIT	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	benkay u jelly ?	[20:38]
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benkay	what, of an idea? get lost.	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	u r aintcha.	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	you knew that email klutz is klutzy	[20:39]
benkay	or the massive corpus of ideas you have access to recombine on demand?	[20:39]
benkay	my life is extremely klutzy	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	so so helly :D	[20:39]
benkay	one day i'll be old too	[20:39]
benkay	you'll be senile	[20:39]
benkay	we'll be even	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	hehehe	[20:40]
benkay	http://ftalphaville.ft.com/2014/01/24/1750472/why-its-tough-being-in-an-altcoin-cartel/	[20:41]
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ozbot	Why it’s tough being in an altcoin cartel \| FT Alphaville	[20:41]
benkay	link sux disregard	[20:42]
Mats_cd03	nub	[20:42]
benkay	feelings	[20:43]
nubbins`	heh apparently the cbc introduced our band as "D-something surgery"	[20:44]
nubbins`	bit too racy for 10am on a sunday, i guess	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` so are you sold out yet ?	[20:46]
benkay	lol girls mom just called me	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	can i tell all the chicks i used to listen to dick surgery back before they were all commercialised crap ?	[20:46]
benkay	"hi b plz get k to call me i'd like to talk to her about something"	[20:46]
nubbins`	we're technically not sellouts until we get airplay on a station that isn't supported by tax dollars ;D	[20:46]
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benkay	girls voicemail has been filled with momversations. now its time for mine.	[20:47]
nubbins`	"A guy orders 25 hits. I send him a 5x5 sheet. His feedback reads "The hit was very large but I managed to fit it in my mouth. The lines were neat. Good trip". I wonder if the guy thought the 25 hits were one!?"	[20:49]
nubbins`	hahah	[20:49]
benkay	mircea_popescu: my klutzy ass would implement patches over email anyways	[20:49]
nubbins`	guy takes 5000ug of LSD. "good trip."	[20:50]
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mircea_popescu	well... you can't really od on the stuff can you ?	[20:51]
nubbins`	not in the sense that you'll cause damage to your body, no	[20:53]
nubbins`	psychological effects, different story	[20:53]
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Mats_cd03	urban myth	[20:54]
nubbins`	great way to get a permanent thousand-yard stare	[20:54]
nubbins`	Mats_cd03: i'm not saying "guy now thinks he's an orange" or anything	[20:54]
tg2	I think you could probably kill yourself as a result of taking to much lsd	[20:54]
tg2	But not an od on it per se	[20:54]
Mats_cd03	ive eaten vials of the stuff and im mostly all here	[20:55]
tg2	Just getting yourself into a dangerous predicament because of it	[20:55]
BCB	what is going on with Neo and Bee at Havelock	[20:55]
nubbins`	nod, worst that usually happens is that people start thinking you're a bit odd	[20:55]
benkay	then your hair goes all frizzy and white	[20:56]
nubbins`	but the same could happen from any number of intense experiences	[20:56]
nubbins`	BCB: nothing ;D	[20:56]
benkay	BCB: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/03/28_havelock-freezes-neobee-trading-thickasthieves-steps-down-as-fund-manager.html	[20:56]
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mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=518131.msg5727530#msg5727530[color=green	[20:57]
ozbot	Herp Rating Agency	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	herp had a rating agency ?	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	the forum never ends.	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	"Herp Rating Agency is an initiative born out of the need for due diligence in the Bitcoin ecosystem."	[20:57]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 142 @ 0.007 = 0.994 BTC [-]	[20:57]
benkay	neo and bee - buy	[20:57]
benkay	a++ rating would read again	[20:57]
BCB	benkay, hmmm... another bitcoin scam?	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/7w1dawk.jpg	[20:57]
kakobrekla	nubbins` this thing you linked earlier from the log, its in the bash, this one precisely:	[20:57]
kakobrekla	BCB http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=43	[20:58]
benkay	BCB: save your cash and assume anything on Havelock is a scam.	[20:58]
mircea_popescu	few better ways to establish credibility than to awkwardly cut away the watermark on some unrelated design	[20:58]
nubbins`	kakobrekla, one of my finer moments	[20:58]
benkay	;;later tell JorgePasada hey lookie you're famous now: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=90	[20:58]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[20:58]
BCB	benkay, so neo and bee is as scammy as havelock?	[20:59]
kakobrekla	no, the other way around i think	[20:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] [PAID] 1.41654500 BTC to 21`793 shares, 6500 satoshi per share	[20:59]
BCB	havelock is as scammy os neo and bee	[20:59]
nubbins`	nah man, HIF is totally gonna pay dividends like they promised	[20:59]
benkay	BCB: impossible to differentiate incompetence and malice from this dimension	[20:59]
benkay	hey youse guise today i learned bitcoin doesn't have the discipline to be a monopoly	[21:00]
nubbins`	they're totally not an order of magnitude short on volume-based trading fees either	[21:00]
benkay	http://ftalphaville.ft.com/2014/01/23/1749972/attack-of-the-killer-rentiers/?	[21:00]
ozbot	Attack of the killer rentiers \| FT Alphaville	[21:00]
BCB	benkay, tuur demeester was a big proponent of neo and bee	[21:00]
benkay	BCB: so?	[21:00]
nubbins`	turd meister?	[21:00]
benkay	shh nubbins` where are your manners	[21:00]
nubbins`	A+++++ would trust based on name	[21:00]
BCB	benkay, I thought he was one of the good guys ( like mircea popescu )	[21:00]
benkay	what is good?	[21:01]
kakobrekla	good is bad.	[21:01]
BCB	benkay, does his due dilligence.	[21:01]
MykelSIlver	You can't even trust Satoshi	[21:01]
BCB	everyone just reads press releases like they are FACT	[21:01]
benkay	inability to distinguish between people who say things that sound nice to your ears and people who routinely make good calls is the source of a lot of wasted BTC.	[21:01]
BCB	coindesk is the worst thing to come along in bitcoin land	[21:01]
mircea_popescu	BCB there's a lengthy history of dubious ventures enlisting otherwise good guys who are a little bit naive and a little bit in over their head.	[21:01]
mircea_popescu	labcoin did it, activemining did it, pirate definitely did it.	[21:02]
benkay	BCB: i've yet to read a thing from him that was particularly useful. granted, i've not dug in depth.	[21:02]
kakobrekla	labcoin was not a naive thing	[21:02]
BCB	benkay, I don't read him all all but he is all over the place	[21:02]
kakobrekla	nor was pirate	[21:02]
mircea_popescu	people are slow to learn this lesson, especially because otherwise good guys with a diploma imagine retarded shit a la "everyone is entitled to their own opinion" and eschew sucking their cocks.	[21:02]
kakobrekla	active i dunno.	[21:02]
benkay	BCB: all over where? i'm pretty well read and he doesn't even register on my feeds.	[21:02]
BCB	mircea_popescu, what about jon matonis	[21:02]
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mircea_popescu	there's this philosophy of "do everything by yourself" prevalent in the us, and it is getting people in trouble in bitcoin space something fierce.	[21:02]
kakobrekla	what about roger ver	[21:03]
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BCB	kakobrekla, criminal	[21:03]
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mircea_popescu	BCB im not about to discuss individuals unless i have something specific to say.	[21:03]
BCB	mircea_popescu, shocking. I guess I should MOP PR	[21:03]
BCB	*ask	[21:03]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla i dunno, re pirate say, i believe people like copumpkin were moreover clueless and well meaning in their dysfunctional, social-justice-y sort of way	[21:04]
kakobrekla	you meant MOB PR?	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	rather than outright criminal.	[21:04]
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mircea_popescu	BCB she's worse in that respect. by the time she's calling out your name you're going down.	[21:04]
BCB	mircea_popescu, the pirate victims were just greedy	[21:05]
BCB	blinded by greed	[21:05]
benkay	AccountantPierre: this is what you want to be writing http://ftalphaville.ft.com/2014/01/06/1733392/when-qe-becomes-decentralised/	[21:05]
BCB	pigs get fatter hogs get slaughtered	[21:05]
mircea_popescu	benkay what is with you and ft blogs. they're unreadable.	[21:05]
the20year2	benkay: which market?	[21:05]
benkay	the20year2: are you serious?	[21:06]
the20year2	i just ctrl+f your sentence and didn't read much previous from there	[21:06]
benkay	The market	[21:06]
benkay	i don't--	[21:06]
BCB	mircea_popescu, what about the bitcoin foundation	[21:06]
benkay	uuaghuaghuaa	[21:07]
benkay	mircea_popescu: must be my broken american brainz	[21:07]
benkay	(Diablo-D3: graiiinz)	[21:07]
BCB	has anyone read the new o'reiley bitcoin book?	[21:07]
Diablo-D3	benkay: hee	[21:08]
mircea_popescu	BCB teh scamdation has collected btc donations, failed to release reports and then collected more btc "donations" from various scams it vouched for.	[21:08]
kakobrekla	BCB the questions you are asking re people and stuff have mostly been talked about. search around the logs and blogs, this is not a spoonfeeding party	[21:08]
mircea_popescu	pretty much the best way to ensure you won't get anywhere in bitcoin is to involve yourself with the bitcoin foundation.	[21:08]
BCB	kakobrekla, I'm bored. Sorry	[21:08]
mircea_popescu	it's roughly speaking the nambla of this space.	[21:09]
kakobrekla	North American Man/Boy Love Association ?	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	the same	[21:09]
BCB	kakobrekla, I'm writing a bash implementation of a blockchain parser and I needed to take a break	[21:09]
AccountantPierre	benkay: "private QE" is as played out as "monetization". Unsurprisingly I prefer my own analytical framework: http://themisescircle.org/blog/2013/12/15/the-bitcoin-central-banks-perfect-monetary-policy/	[21:09]
BCB	AccountantPierre, I thought you guys were closing down the misescircle	[21:10]
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TestingUnoDosTre	;;ticker	[21:10]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 456.55, Best ask: 457.97, Bid-ask spread: 1.42000, Last trade: 457.97, 24 hour volume: 29003.93489152, 24 hour low: 436.0, 24 hour high: 500.0, 24 hour vwap: 463.413765818	[21:10]
AccountantPierre	Not closing down, but transitioning bitcoin stuff to SNI	[21:10]
BCB	ahh	[21:10]
benkay	AccountantPierre: you said synergistically	[21:10]
benkay	my eyes are bleeding	[21:11]
AccountantPierre	benkay: you're welcome	[21:11]
benkay	AccountantPierre: fiduciary media aren't impossible, just nigh impossible	[21:12]
BCB	mircea_popescu, BTW i'm an excellent monopoly player	[21:12]
benkay	with a TB blockchain, they may become necessary.	[21:12]
mircea_popescu	BCB it's a trivial game really.	[21:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 57 @ 0.007 = 0.399 BTC [-]	[21:13]
novusordo	it was fun to play for BTC a year or so back	[21:14]
novusordo	some OTCers made a channel for it, don't remember what it was	[21:14]
AccountantPierre	benkay: that quickly gets into a semantic debate of what fiduciary media is. I don't view off-blockchain transactions with coinbase-bux to be fiduciary media. You'd have to create something I can send to a bitcoin address and the recipient thinks its bitcoins. Nigh impossible indeed	[21:14]
mircea_popescu	i vaguely recall the monopoly btc thing	[21:15]
benkay	that's a neat position on fidiuciary media.	[21:15]
the20year2	Are you an accountant?	[21:15]
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novusordo	mircea_popescu: i remember playing it with aethero and lucidlepidoptera, lol	[21:16]
mircea_popescu	o yeah, check this out, a match made in heaven.	[21:16]
mircea_popescu	AccountantPierre what'd you need to be paid to audit the20year2's rental properties corp ?	[21:16]
mircea_popescu	novusordo are those two still together ?	[21:16]
novusordo	not a clue	[21:17]
mircea_popescu	stormy was pretty hot. aethero was... pretty strange.	[21:17]
AccountantPierre	a real audit or just some specific due diligence procedures?	[21:17]
mircea_popescu	a real audit.	[21:17]
mircea_popescu	certify his book.	[21:17]
AccountantPierre	estimated amount of assets? visiting properties could get expensive, where are they?	[21:17]
nubbins`	aethero was just mentioned in -otc	[21:17]
mircea_popescu	all in ohio.	[21:17]
nubbins`	regarding ops that went bad	[21:17]
the20year2	~$500k of assets including bitcoin	[21:17]
the20year2	6 properties, central Ohio , although i don't know if physical inspection would be absolutely needed when you could just get deed copies	[21:18]
mircea_popescu	AccountantPierre afaik it's not customary to do a ground inspection if torrens title is available neh ?	[21:18]
mircea_popescu	o wait, the us doesn't use torrens	[21:18]
the20year2	We file deeds at the county auditor	[21:19]
*	mircea_popescu is pretty well clueless as to real estate auditing procedures adequate for central ohio	[21:19]
AccountantPierre	depends on risk assessment at beginning of audit	[21:19]
the20year2	I'm not aware of any state that uses torrens, though canada I believe does	[21:19]
the20year2	What kind of risk assessment?	[21:19]
mircea_popescu	the20year2 well if the auditor suspects fraud or under some court mandates etc.	[21:20]
AccountantPierre	risk of material misstatement of the financials. $25k for a one man cpa shop.	[21:20]
the20year2	Ouch	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	AccountantPierre for my own repository of factoids, what's the insurance premium hike look like after a forfeit for material misstatement ?	[21:21]
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AccountantPierre	Insurance for the CPA firm or for the audit client? Either way, no clue, never dealt with that kind of insurance	[21:22]
mircea_popescu	the insurane firm	[21:22]
the20year2	I wasn't aware they sold insurance to CPAs	[21:22]
mircea_popescu	uh, you're not insured ?!	[21:22]
mircea_popescu	whoa ?!	[21:22]
the20year2	I'm not a CPA	[21:22]
AccountantPierre	there are thousands of people at my firm, division of labor, someone else takes care of that	[21:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.0009444 = 16.1492 BTC [+] {2}	[21:22]
AccountantPierre	"my firm" as in "my employer"	[21:23]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[21:23]
BCB	mircea_popescu, I could reccomend a cpa for around 10K for a full audit	[21:23]
mircea_popescu	kinda besides the point now isn't it.	[21:23]
the20year2	When we were looking for book audits for a TSX listing possibility they ran $15k/yr	[21:24]
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the20year2	Of course $25k might not be terribly bad if you're sending a guy to Ohio to physically visit properties and review deed copies	[21:25]
benkay	kinda one of those things you expect a REIT to be able to afford.	[21:25]
BCB	novusordo, what ever happened to aethero, anyone know?	[21:25]
the20year2	Not for one with only 6 properties and less than $500k of properties, that's 5% a year in just audits	[21:25]
BCB	mircea_popescu, hire a certified CPA in ohio	[21:25]
the20year2	Would make alot more sense to just hire a 3rd party agent or title company to do the investigation, hire a title search on all the properties, will run you $75/ea	[21:26]
AccountantPierre	Yeah, hire a local guy, not a big 4 firm based out of nyc	[21:26]
benkay	doesn't really sound like a REIT at that scale. more like a hodgepodge.	[21:26]
the20year2	$150-$200 for lawyer review	[21:26]
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mircea_popescu	BCB he tried to start some sort of business, listed it on btct if memory serves, and well... just like all the others.	[21:28]
BCB	mircea_popescu, he left a lot of guys on otc and btcjam holding the bag as well	[21:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.05699999 = 0.342 BTC [+]	[21:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 40 @ 0.00714999 = 0.286 BTC [+] {2}	[21:29]
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mircea_popescu	yeah i guess this match wasn't made in heaven in any sense. a well :p	[21:29]
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the20year2	We were on BF when they closed up	[21:31]
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mircea_popescu	moiety https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg5988372#msg5988372 they are on to you nao my fine scottish friend.	[21:43]
the20year2	anyone understand what's going on with neobee?	[21:46]
benkay	there are two facts.	[21:49]
moiety	mircea_popescu: lolol holy fuck lol i hope mpoe-pr isnt offended. i would like to reply, they should go here http://i.imgur.com/Z7lAjiF.jpg	[21:50]
Duffer1	must be odd to be called a scammer by minerpart	[21:50]
benkay	http://f3000.tumblr.com/	[21:51]
ozbot	FUCK3000	[21:52]
andyfletcher	It is all getting more than a bit personal on bitcointalk	[21:55]
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mircea_popescu	moiety in mpoe-pr's own words, "incredible how the ciucius of the world manage to sound exactly alike. no matter their nationalities and motha tongues."	[22:02]
mircea_popescu	in other news, reddit does feelings : no matter their nationalities and motha tongues	[22:04]
mircea_popescu	oops	[22:04]
mircea_popescu	http://www.reddit.com/r/confession/comments/15vjvc/i_was_violently_raped_last_summer_i_know_im/	[22:04]
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novusordo	BCB: no idea, I never got anything back from the small amount I put into his business that never got off the ground	[22:05]
novusordo	haven't heard anything from/about him since that ship sunk	[22:05]
mircea_popescu	benkay seems like a happy couple.	[22:07]
benkay	rly? i see a few different both boys and girls	[22:09]
benkay	just contri-putin	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	http://dpaste.com/1764871/	[22:11]
ozbot	dpaste: #1764871	[22:11]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile the ever vigilant forum is wiping out the neobee discussion	[22:11]
mircea_popescu	what was the link to that copy ?	[22:11]
moiety	i hadn't read that page, her comment about all true scotsmen make a lot more sense now mircea_popescu lol can you pass on my apologies	[22:12]
benkay	mircea_popescu: why are you subjecting us to forum :(	[22:12]
kakobrekla	>A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator.	[22:14]
kakobrekla	oh yeah, i got a huge pile of those too	[22:14]
ThickAsThieves	that's some heavt moderation	[22:15]
ThickAsThieves	heavy*	[22:15]
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ThickAsThieves	i saw, i think it was, extrader saying he knew some way to get a "fudster" moderated	[22:15]
ThickAsThieves	looks like he is on th ehunt	[22:15]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ipvo-multiple-exchanges-neo-bee-lmb-holdings.167762/page-217	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	better bitcointalk, basically.	[22:17]
ozbot	[IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings \| Page 217 \| Bitcointa.lk	[22:17]
tg2	Whoa whoa hold the phone	[22:20]
tg2	there's drama? On the internet?	[22:20]
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tg2	http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/009/993/tumblr_m0wb2xz9Yh1r08e3p.jpg	[22:23]
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benkay	stahp	[22:25]
benkay	;;ticker	[22:25]
benkay	.bait	[22:25]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 459.46, Best ask: 461.35, Bid-ask spread: 1.89000, Last trade: 461.35, 24 hour volume: 29874.63703293, 24 hour low: 436.0, 24 hour high: 500.0, 24 hour vwap: 463.247782601	[22:25]
ozbot	http://25.media.tumblr.com/a61444ffeb14607d25a4f21c7c53f990/tumblr_mpg854pH0k1r62m2no1_1280.jpg	[22:25]
benkay	holy smokes 450?	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	is that a bvad thing ?	[22:25]
benkay	psh yeah doncha know bitcoins only useful when it goes up in value	[22:26]
benkay	aw man	[22:26]
benkay	in the space of 1 week i have forgotten everything about the conformal btc libs	[22:26]
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mircea_popescu	hahaha check out bitcointa.lk : mpoe-pr is the only one with an avatar.	[22:44]
BCB	mircea_popescu, did you fund bitcointa.lk	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	nope.	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	the owner linked it here a while bakc	[22:46]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] [PAID] 0.19871000 BTC to 320`500 shares, 62 satoshi per share	[22:59]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06353 = 0.6353 BTC [-]	[23:02]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0464 = 0.1392 BTC [+]	[23:11]
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steven-__	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEtrIjzsceM&feature=youtu.be&t=17m0s andreas antonopoulos doing his thing	[23:15]
ozbot	Is Bitcoin a flash in the pan? - Coinsumm.it - YouTube	[23:15]
steven-__	couldn't help checking out a few of the talks even after reading benkays post	[23:15]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]	[23:15]
mircea_popescu	what, STILL ?	[23:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]	[23:16]
mircea_popescu	2011 called, it wants its rethorical questions back please.	[23:17]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]	[23:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0556 = 0.1112 BTC [-] {2}	[23:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]	[23:19]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62503539 BTC [-]	[23:24]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 46 @ 0.0062174 = 0.286 BTC [-] {3}	[23:26]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4697 @ 0.00094301 = 4.4293 BTC [-]	[23:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.62503539 = 1.8751 BTC [-] {2}	[23:35]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3750 @ 0.00094037 = 3.5264 BTC [-]	[23:41]
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benkay	http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Rwanda+years+later/9674013/story.html << surely this has happened before	[23:45]
ozbot	Rwanda: 20 years later	[23:45]
benkay	obviously a lot of that is NGO pearl clutching for funds.	[23:46]
mircea_popescu	^	[23:47]
cazalla	steven-__: that guy makes me cringe	[23:47]
benkay	"Survivors groups worry that 20 years after the genocide, international funding will dry up completely"	[23:47]
benkay	le sigh	[23:47]
the20year2	how many funds were made available for the holomodor?	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	actually people did try to donate	[23:51]
mircea_popescu	many us jewish people with fresh memories, plenty of others	[23:51]
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nubbins`	pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=344219.msg5990321#msg5990321	[23:54]
pankkake	thanks	[23:55]
pankkake	I do know him, which is bothering me	[23:55]
pankkake	:(	[23:55]
nubbins`	never underestimate the tenacity of butthurt internet people	[23:55]
Duffer1	i wrote him a haiku	[23:55]
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Duffer1	that dotcoin scammer talks like alberto armandi	[23:56]
pankkake	he told me in PM ps: i see you speak german its called " Kopffick " thats what happen to you now	[23:57]
pankkake	I don't speak german and google doesn't help me	[23:57]
benkay	on an entirely different topic, what are good "me@mydomain" emails?	[23:57]
benkay	not horrendously unprofessional	[23:57]
benkay	not stupidly web2.0	[23:58]
pankkake	firstname@lastname ?	[23:58]
benkay	eg "me@"	[23:58]
pankkake	me@firstnamelastname	[23:58]
benkay	dorp	[23:58]
pankkake	or something related to what you do? say you're a plumper name joe, me@joeplumber	[23:59]
nubbins`	me@benkay.com	[23:59]
benkay	holy shit benkay.com is available	[23:59]

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