Forum logs for 30 Mar 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
asciilifeform one reason might be that pc architecture, almost always by default, 'shadows' roms [00:00]
asciilifeform that is, copies them to cacheable RAM on boot [00:00]
asciilifeform (executing from rom, esp. the 'serial' 8-legged variety, is dog-slow) [00:00]
jurov i bought such mobo with dual bios [00:00]
jurov but never actually tried it [00:00]
jurov ( gigabyte ) [00:01]
asciilifeform typically these have a toggle that moves the clock/data line from 1 serial rom to another [00:01]
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asciilifeform for recovering from botched flashes. [00:01]
asciilifeform these used to be popular in the wake of the '90s 'chernoble' virus [00:01]
asciilifeform but have mostly disappeared [00:01]
asciilifeform any serious pc user should own a rom burner anyway [00:01]
asciilifeform chinese units are 20-50 usd [00:02]
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jurov one usually does it once in 5 years... not sure if it's worth the occupied space [00:03]
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asciilifeform space?! they're pocket-sized [00:03]
asciilifeform or you meant, on the board [00:03]
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jurov yes i meant... hundred pocket sized gizmos to be used once in 5 yrs + cables = several boxen labeled shit and "more shit" [00:04]
jurov it's annoying [00:05]
truffles yay shit [00:05]
asciilifeform a box with zapped rom is considerably more annoying, imho [00:05]
asciilifeform if buying a rom burner, helps to get the kind that takes SOIC-8 socket adapters, for laptop flash [00:06]
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cads hey has anyone hear if something bad is happening with auroracoin? [00:08]
truffles cads into alts hmm [00:08]
cads doge for life [00:09]
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cads about 10 days ago auroracoin put $300 worth of auroracoin up for any icelandic citizen to grab [00:11]
nubbins` mircea_popescu: "and I experienced complete awareness", lel [00:11]
nubbins` i've read that one in the past [00:11]
truffles not possible [00:12]
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cads since then citizens have had their identities forged, the value of the AUR has dropped like 75% and now people are saying AUR is being hit by a 51% attack [00:12]
cads the chaos is kinda awesome but I can't figure what's going on [00:13]
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truffles get a blackbox ull know it all [00:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00094734 = 19.0415 BTC [+] {2} [00:14]
tg2 lol [00:14]
tg2 8m dogecoin in 15 minutes [00:14]
cads Hilarious :) [00:14]
tg2 shit is killin it [00:15]
tg2 ltcponzi was $7000 worth of ltc in 45 mins yesterday [00:15]
tg2 this is the new satoshidice [00:15]
Mats_cd03 where do i acquire such a chinese made rom burner [00:15]
tg2 dev said btc is coming soon [00:15]
cads haha, awesome [00:16]
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cads thanks for sharing, tg2, that's delightful [00:24]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0568 = 0.3408 BTC [+] [00:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0568 = 0.2272 BTC [+] {2} [00:37]
tg2 #dogecoin having trouble wrapping their minds around the fact that an OPEN ponzi where everything is visible is not really a ponzi lol [00:38]
tg2 its just a game [00:38]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0449 = 0.2245 BTC [+] [00:38]
truffles nerds can be gullible too [00:38]
tg2 whatever happened ot bitcoinsand [00:39]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06999999 = 0.35 BTC [+] {2} [00:39]
tg2 [00:40]
ozbot Bitcoinsand [00:40]
tg2 still rolling I guess [00:40]
tg2 [00:40]
tg2 meh [00:40]
ozbot Bitcoin Address 1JfvCK3NAaKdQZCmu4vBjGhqAzxYrePsHg [00:40]
tg2 not enough interest to be a ponzi :D [00:40]
CheckDavid tg2: there's a game called bubble [00:41]
tg2 :D [00:41]
CheckDavid Which basically is an explicit ponzi with rules [00:41]
tg2 IPO are the last ones in :D [00:41]
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lnovy the whole pc architecture is a big matrix, it looks and behaves pretty much nothing like you see it [00:50]
lnovy huh... scrollbuffer lag [00:50]
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lnovy ignore plz :) [00:50]
truffles that game sounds fun [00:53]
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tg2 fk its taking a long time to generate a gpg key with 9 matching characters in it's long ID lol [01:00]
tg2 Found 3256676 keys so far, running for 104196.6s (Rate:31.3/s) [01:00]
tg2 ;;ident [01:00]
gribble Nick 'tg2', with hostmask 'tg2!~tg2@', is identified as user 'tg2', with GPG key id 31FAA963C3333333, key fingerprint BFB291FE6B88A151B3BD2F9C31FAA963C3333333, and bitcoin address None [01:00]
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tg2 10 characters * [01:00]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00094857 = 18.0228 BTC [+] {4} [01:04]
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bounce asciilifeform: acorn arm boxes had riscos in rom. nice and quick booting, too. [01:13]
Namworld Wait.... WAIT. Wait wait wait wait wait... Stripe will allow Bitcoin payments? [01:17]
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Namworld That adds a good bunch of merchants [01:18]
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Namworld [01:20]
ozbot 'Malleability' attacks not to blame for Mt. Gox's missing bitcoins, study says | PCWorld [01:20]
Namworld Oh really? You don't say... [01:20]
Namworld How unsurprising. [01:21]
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lnovy incomming! [01:27]
Namworld If Karpeles finds more Bitcoins and they're all returned I'll make the weirdest face. "He didn't scam, he just lost the keys? Had to try and find doubles in old backups of data? What stupidity is this?" [01:31]
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Namworld Current odds of getting 100% back: 0.001% or so, odds provided by Ass-Pullouts® [01:33]
dexX7 hehe.. the wallet they found was allegedly found, because it was in an old format that new bitcoin clients don't recognize [01:34]
dexX7 or something like that ;) [01:34]
xdotcomm_ tg2: dats a nice key [01:34]
xdotcomm_ ;;ident [01:34]
gribble Nick 'xdotcomm_', with hostmask 'xdotcomm_!', is not identified. [01:34]
xdotcomm_ meh [01:35]
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Namworld Translation: "My keys!? They no work, what happened!? Oh, I have one here in this old backup. Maybe I can keep looking, maybe I find more keys in these old files." [01:35]
dexX7 sounds accurate [01:36]
Namworld Someone, please do a retro parody of a platformer, called: "Karpeles and the Search for the Seven Private Keys" [01:37]
Namworld With coffee powerups, regulators and hacker mobs/bosses and of course collecting keys or fragments of keys. [01:38]
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jurov Namworld don't forget protesters [01:46]
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jurov and the end boss shall bear uncanny resemblance to mpoe-pr [01:47]
jurov chetty maybe you can make a little development detour? [01:49]
truffles a pr person that is total pr nightmare, only on internet [01:50]
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asciilifeform bounce: all 1980s micros, afaik, did [02:08]
asciilifeform bounce: i was thinking of modern pc [02:08]
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ThickAsThieves so Jesus Antonopolis has a book coming out [02:26]
ThickAsThieves [02:27]
ThickAsThieves it can't be purchased with bitcoins [02:28]
dexX7 250 pages x.x [02:29]
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ThickAsThieves "If you're interested in learning more about the technical operation of bitcoin, or if you're building the next great bitcoin killer­app or business, you will find this book essential reading. From the basic use of a bitcoin wallet to buy a cup of coffee, to running a bitcoin marketplace with hundreds of thousands of transactions, or collaboratively building new financial innovations [02:31]
ThickAsThieves that will transform our understanding of currency and credit, this book will help you engineer money. You're about to unlock the API to a new economy. This book is your key." [02:31]
ThickAsThieves parody vs reality [02:31]
ThickAsThieves who will win? [02:31]
ThickAsThieves stay tuned! [02:31]
asciilifeform 'parody horizon.' [02:32]
truffles hey TAT write that blog yet? [02:32]
dexX7 << outline [02:33]
ozbot Mastering Bitcoin - Community Outline Review [02:33]
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ThickAsThieves the first blog post didnt make it past peer review [02:34]
ThickAsThieves sorry [02:34]
truffles orly [02:34]
truffles i can review if u want [02:34]
ThickAsThieves no need [02:34]
* truffles likes to be entertained! [02:34]
truffles there are a few other bloggers itc [02:35]
truffles cant recall if theyre consistent, cuz i forget [02:35]
dexX7 [02:36]
ozbot Assets Assimilated [02:36]
truffles meh [02:37]
truffles non assets mp related [02:37]
ThickAsThieves well you cant complain when b-assets people write about assets and you ask assets people for writing [02:39]
truffles didnt ask for assets content [02:39]
ThickAsThieves people here also list other blogs they like at times [02:39]
truffles oh [02:39]
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ThickAsThieves The Last Psychiatrist [02:39]
ThickAsThieves Pando isnt bad for news about news [02:40]
truffles oh its not that specific [02:40]
truffles just has to gauge my interest :) [02:40]
truffles so is btc stable now` [02:40]
ThickAsThieves not yet [02:41]
azi`_ did i miss any news about neobee? [02:41]
ThickAsThieves give it a month [02:41]
truffles last i saw it was in the 600s [02:41]
truffles how goes neobee [02:42]
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dexX7 price tanked, trading halted [02:43]
azi`_ something fishy is apparently going on [02:43]
truffles ? [02:44]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06992203 = 0.1398 BTC [-] {2} [02:47]
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TestingUnoDosTre .d [02:50]
ozbot 5.007 billion | Next Diff in 1170 blocks | Estimated Change: 16.2937% in 6d 19h 4m 7s [02:50]
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dexX7 haha reddit about friedcat: "I don't know, anonymous according to /r/bitcoin means "will steal bitcoins in future". How do we know the ASICs don't have a function that sends your mined bitcoins to some address at some point in the future or installs a virus on your computer? Is the hardware opensourced?" [02:51]
Duffer1 wow [02:52]
TestingUnoDosTre how come the expected change is 16,3% when bitcoinwisdom projects 21% [02:52]
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dexX7 the "next diff" algorithm is only a simple linear projection (hashrate-now/hashrate-last = hashrate-increase%) and bitcoinwisdom uses something more sophisticated [02:59]
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TestingUnoDosTre can anyone tell me about gribbles next difficulty calculation [04:05]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0569 = 0.1138 BTC [+] [04:10]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0569 = 0.1707 BTC [+] {3} [04:11]
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MisterE [04:21]
ozbot Mozilla's bad week: Employees call for CEO Eich to step down, 3 board members leave | VentureBeat | [04:21]
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kanzure dexX7: couldn't you just monitor the outbound network activity from the asic device instead [04:24]
dexX7 hm? [04:25]
dexX7 elaborate please [04:26]
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tg2 Yeah it wouldn't be hard [04:30]
tg2 even with published source though many people still download binary [04:30]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06949969 = 0.695 BTC [-] {3} [04:31]
tg2 People still use Firefox? [04:31]
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fordlincoln1 anyone trade the bitcoin cfds on avatrade? [04:35]
kakobrekla that prolly a bucket shop [04:35]
kakobrekla not prolly, certainly. [04:36]
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cazalla tg2: what's wrong with firefox? [04:40]
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tg2 Chrome is what's wrong with Firefox [04:41]
Apocalyptic Opera is the shit now [04:41]
cazalla i'd rather not give google my browsing habits [04:41]
tg2 I heard netscape is pretty nice [04:41]
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tg2 although i prefer lynx because it doesn't forward my cookies unless explicitly advised to [04:42]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13550 @ 0.00094475 = 12.8014 BTC [-] {2} [04:42]
mystisking whats the future of crypto trading? [04:42]
tg2 in fact it asks me every time [04:42]
mystisking is bitcoin over? [04:43]
tg2 If dice listed on any markets? [04:43]
tg2 ;;ident mystisking [04:43]
gribble Nick 'mystisking', with hostmask 'mystisking!48e5a0ae@gateway/web/freenode/ip.', is not identified. [04:43]
tg2 > web [04:43]
tg2 Troll harder [04:43]
mystisking ? [04:43]
mystisking i have a question [04:44]
Apocalyptic is bitcoin over? << obvious troll is obvious [04:44]
mystisking ? [04:44]
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tg2 Mystisking, the ceo of Bitcoin committed suicide so yeah Bitcoin is pretty much dead [04:45]
tg2 everybody knows this why do you not [04:45]
mystisking where can i see announcements of new cryptocurrencies? [04:45]
tg2 Fox news [04:46]
mystisking thanks guy [04:46]
mystisking you're a real jerk [04:46]
tg2 Np any time [04:46]
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tg2 drop by any time and ask as stupid of a question as you want [04:46]
tg2 you'll always get a sincere response [04:46]
tg2 Go to /r/dogecoin you'll be right at home [04:47]
dexX7 he's gone [04:47]
tg2 I have parts muted [04:47]
dexX7 ic [04:47]
tg2 I don't c [04:48]
tg2 Benkay [04:48]
tg2 What are you drinking [04:48]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.069899 = 0.1398 BTC [+] [04:50]
tg2 > Tfw no benkay [04:51]
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MisterE Chrome is such crap [05:00]
MisterE I switched to FF from Chromium [05:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.069899 = 0.1398 BTC [+] [05:01]
Apocalyptic tg2, what version of lynx do you use ? [05:01]
tg2 Bleeding edge [05:02]
tg2 I use phantomjs now [05:02]
tg2 Headless webkit ftw [05:02]
tg2 It renders css and JavaScript without a ui. [05:02]
tg2 it makes one hell of a sick crawler [05:03]
tg2 It's like having only console open on your browser [05:03]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 22 @ 0.64999999 = 14.3 BTC [-] {2} [05:07]
tg2 2.8.8 lynx [05:08]
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tg2 I believe that's current [05:17]
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kanzure phantomjs is actually using an ancient version of webkit [05:23]
kanzure i highly recommend using recent webkit and just use the gobject bindings [05:23]
kanzure for example: [05:23]
kanzure (context: i've contributed to phantomjs) [05:24]
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tg2 Can it be run without x? [05:29]
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xdotcomm_ tg2: going for wendies ! [05:30]
MisterE Breaking news on the missing plane, still nothing found... [05:32]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.069898 = 0.1398 BTC [-] [05:32]
kanzure tg2: technically no, webkigtk+ requires X unless you find a way to get gtk running without x.. there used to be a way with cairo but nobody seems to care anymore. [05:33]
kanzure tg2: however, running X headlessly is not hugely problematic these days because of xserver-xorg-video-dummy [05:34]
kanzure tg2: and i would say the advantages of running modern webkit far outweigh the troubles with running X... you get Function.prototype.bind :) [05:35]
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kanzure even when phantomjs2 comes out in the next few months i would recommend caution because the dependency on qtwebki from a qt release means that you're waiting multiple months for bugfixes to get into phantomjs (so far webkit updates are so far behind it's sad) [05:37]
kanzure e.g. it's not just qtwebkit but it's a qt-release that includes a release of qtwebkit which includes a release of webkit. but the real thing you care about is webkit! [05:38]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04440002 = 0.1776 BTC [-] [05:39]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.069898 = 0.2796 BTC [-] [05:43]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 18 @ 0.00614222 = 0.1106 BTC [-] {4} [05:48]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21950 @ 0.00094904 = 20.8314 BTC [+] {2} [06:01]
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tg2 I just use it for page scraping [06:04]
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tg2 And thumb generation [06:04]
tg2 Headless is nice [06:05]
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tg2 True headless [06:05]
tg2 there is to much tied through x imo [06:05]
tg2 Fglrx for example [06:06]
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Apocalyptic tg2, do you even run X ? [06:09]
tg2 Not if I don't need gui [06:09]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.65252999 BTC [+] [06:11]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.62 = 12.4 BTC [-] {3} [06:12]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.65250798 = 1.305 BTC [+] [06:27]
chetty [06:32]
ozbot The Cashless Society Almost Here And With Some Very Sinister Implications - Waking Times [06:32]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.65250798 BTC [+] [06:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00094569 = 9.1259 BTC [-] {2} [06:35]
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decimation lol fiat: - this is related to the civil suit against the silicon valley companys for conspiring to limit recruitment [06:56]
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decimation Alan Eustace (Google Senior Vice President) commented ... [06:58]
decimation to compensation that makes it very difficult for anyone to get a better offer" [06:58]
decimation take 2: According to him:the "long-term right approach is not to deal with these situations as one-off?s but to have a systematic approach to compensation that makes it very difficult for anyone to get a better offer" [06:59]
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decimation my point: his job is exactly to find the one-off's and worry about their retention. What possible "systematic approach" exists, even in theory? [07:00]
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MisterE that the order certifying the class? [07:05]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform kernel-in-rom never caught on because these fuckwits want to keep versioning everything all the time. gotta upgrade!!1 [07:08]
asciilifeform lul [07:08]
asciilifeform upgrade all day - just turn the key. [07:09]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves well he's mastered them so... [07:09]
asciilifeform anyone else notice how you more or less can't buy antifuse roms any more? [07:09]
asciilifeform just flash that programmatically refuses (or promises to refuse) writing a second time [07:10]
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dignork asciilifeform, there are OTP chips, you're saying they can be rewritten? [07:12]
mircea_popescu dude what's with all this derpage. avatrade ? future of crypto trading ? what the hell. [07:12]
asciilifeform dignork: i can't promise to re-write one on demand - but they're 'flash' inside. [07:12]
asciilifeform dignork: notice that the same part number typically comes in a UV window version. [07:13]
asciilifeform now go and try to buy a 1980s style antifuse ROM that actually burns [07:13]
asciilifeform i.e. fuses blow when you write it. [07:13]
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mircea_popescu ;;later tell decimation the following systematic approach : "you will be born anyway, need to work anyway. why should you be paid ?" [07:14]
gribble The operation succeeded. [07:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00094424 = 10.3866 BTC [-] [07:14]
mircea_popescu oh look, another blockchain crawler : [07:16]
dignork asciilifeform, I never actually looked into these chips, but wikipedia says empty PROM is filled with 1's, and you're irreversibly burning 0's [07:18]
asciilifeform yes [07:19]
dignork asciilifeform, so later you can burn some more 0'... [07:19]
asciilifeform now try to buy one. [07:19]
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mircea_popescu dignork it'd be an extremely rare case where that actually works tho [07:19]
asciilifeform incidentally, this reminds me of a scheme i came up with for re-writing 'cd-r' disks, before the rewritable kind was available [07:19]
asciilifeform using 'gray code'. alert reader can probably figure out how it worked. [07:20]
asciilifeform how many 'brain cycles' we've all wasted on obsolete tech! [07:20]
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mircea_popescu "I stumbled upon this brilliant piece of journalism written by one “Mircea Popescu”. The title of the article reads “Why Dogecoin is a scam…” and the contents are amusing." [07:21]
mircea_popescu at least we're using the brain cycles on things that actually exist. [07:21]
mircea_popescu how many brain cycles have various anon derps wasted on rehashing their imaginary worlds ? [07:21]
asciilifeform the folks who understand their worlds being imaginary, i've no problem with. [07:22]
dignork asciilifeform, well, I have this on hand, but I don't have equipment to actually look at the chip structure though :( [07:23]
mircea_popescu well the others you really can't have a problem with. because who'd you have a problem with ? they're not here. [07:23]
mircea_popescu o look at that, fico lost! [07:23]
dignork asciilifeform, it's a complex device containing OTP, so not a strict match [07:24]
Apocalyptic yeah mircea_popescu, i'm so happy [07:26]
mircea_popescu Apocalyptic hm ? [07:28]
Apocalyptic fico is the last thing slovakia needs right now [07:28]
mircea_popescu a a [07:29]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18900 @ 0.00094694 = 17.8972 BTC [+] [07:32]
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tg2 It's there any traction to have the irs change their stance on btc? [07:41]
tg2 They basically made it a paperwork disaster to actually tax it [07:41]
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chetty get the IRS to change? you ARE joking? [07:42]
mircea_popescu and another layer of scammyness unfolds. [07:43]
ozbot [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings [07:43]
mircea_popescu so apparently lmb gifted itself a hefty 28% equity stake post-ipo ? [07:44]
tg2 Well who votes on tax rates [07:47]
tg2 Not the irs [07:47]
tg2 Ergo they should be susceptible to change [07:47]
chetty no one votes on IRS rules [07:47]
tg2 The irs only collects [07:47]
MisterE no they made powerful administrative rules too [07:48]
tg2 Voted on by... ? [07:48]
tg2 C ca [07:48]
tg2 There should be an avenue to have those rules revised [07:48]
chetty rules and regulations ... no one votes [07:48]
MisterE they have an internal committee of bureaucrats probably [07:48]
MisterE might take public comment [07:49]
Apocalyptic this jimmothy guy is halirious [07:49]
Apocalyptic *hilarious [07:49]
Apocalyptic damn i need to sleep [07:49]
mircea_popescu so go sleep [07:49]
mircea_popescu it ain't going anywhere. [07:49]
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tg2 They have their irc code [07:54]
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tg2 Federal court ruling sits higher than agency interpretive regulations [07:55]
nubbins` jimmothy [07:56]
nubbins` pretty sure he's a paid shill for whoever has a buck [07:56]
tg2 And IRS Revenue Rulings, which I would assume the btc guidance fell under [07:56]
MisterE yea but challenging those regulations is not possible for mere mortals [07:56]
nubbins` also, neobee: lel [07:57]
MisterE heh yea [07:57]
tg2 one might assume that those remain attainable for somebody [07:57]
tg2 If there was a landmark supreme court case [07:57]
Apocalyptic too bad TAT is mixed up in this [07:58]
tg2 It feels like the irs just said "here's our stance" and left the door open to an overriding ruling from a larger authority [07:58]
nubbins` [07:58]
ozbot #bitcoin-assets log [07:59]
nubbins` such lels [07:59]
nubbins` Apocalyptic: might as well read the whole day [07:59]
ThickAsThieves so apparently lmb gifted itself a hefty 28% equity stake post-ipo /// To my knowledge LMB never gifted itself anything nor moved shares to Havelock [08:01]
ThickAsThieves there was a portion seperately allocated for employee program of some sort I think, not tradable [08:01]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves well, here's the problem : [08:02]
mircea_popescu Public investors currently hold 5,042,638 LMB Holdings shares (31.5164875% of the profits), whilst LMB Subsidiaries Limited (UK) shall hold 10,957,362 shares 68.4835125% of the profits), for a total of 16,000,000 LMB Holdings virtual shares, which represent 100% of the global profits of the LMB Subsidiaries Limited (UK). [08:02]
mircea_popescu this is an update of the previous version, which read : [08:02]
mircea_popescu Public investors will hold 9,600,000 LMB Holdings shares (60% of the profits), whilst LMB Subsidiaries Limited (UK) shall hold 6,400,000 shares (40% of the profits), for a total of 16,000,000 LMB Holdings virtual shares, which represent 100% of the global profits of the LMB Subsidiaries Limited (UK). [08:02]
ThickAsThieves basically the unsold shares sat unsold afaik [08:02]
mircea_popescu the net effect of this change is for lmb to gift itself a significant portion of the equity. [08:02]
ThickAsThieves only the 31% wouldve been eligible for the initial divs [08:02]
mircea_popescu the figures seem to be 68.4x% and 40%. [08:03]
nubbins` but that's 28.x% for free [08:03]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.65252998 = 1.9576 BTC [+] {2} [08:03]
mircea_popescu i guess this is why no gpg contract = scam, pretty much. [08:03]
mircea_popescu as far as i know every pdf-ipo to date has done this sort of thing [08:04]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04539999 = 0.1816 BTC [+] [08:04]
tg2 Unfortunately there is no reprimand even declaring profitability [08:05]
Apocalyptic nubbins`, thanks for the link, i'm reading [08:05]
mircea_popescu tg2 that didn't parse. [08:05]
nubbins` ^ [08:05]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.65253014 BTC [+] [08:05]
tg2 S/reprimand/consequence [08:05]
tg2 Falsely declaring profitability [08:06]
tg2 Who is keeping the company truthful about their earnings [08:06]
tg2 ie rent [08:06]
mod6 [08:06]
mod6 oops [08:07]
mircea_popescu this is a major problem, generally speaking. [08:07]
nubbins` [08:07]
ozbot #bitcoin-assets log [08:07]
mircea_popescu nubbins` myeah. [08:08]
tg2 I have a model which would be great for this kind of transparency [08:08]
nubbins` on the bright side, a bunch of people in cyprus got several months worth of salary that they wouldn't have had otherwise [08:08]
nubbins` so there's that [08:08]
nubbins` practically a success [08:09]
xdotcomm_ tg2: what model? [08:09]
tg2 Marketplace [08:09]
xdotcomm_ like ebay [08:09]
tg2 No, a good one [08:09]
xdotcomm_ or like nyse [08:09]
tg2 Marketplace for anything [08:10]
xdotcomm_ elaborate please [08:10]
xdotcomm_ like craigslist? [08:10]
tg2 Like a decentralized craigslist [08:10]
xdotcomm_ problem with craigslist is there is no rankings [08:11]
tg2 Yeah [08:11]
nubbins` [08:11]
ozbot #bitcoin-assets log [08:11]
nubbins` just pasting things here [08:11]
tg2 That and their code is from 1999 [08:11]
nubbins` no big deal [08:11]
nubbins` xdotcomm_, tg2: those are problems? [08:11]
tg2 Can be, yes [08:12]
xdotcomm_ its tough because you gotta make it so much better then craigslist + ebay ... otherwise no go.. they already have the masses [08:13]
nubbins` #bitcoin-assets: where $150m/y is a problem [08:13]
mircea_popescu "The trading is simply frozen; unless they tore down the building and sold the rubble Im pretty sure that NEO's offices will be open come Monday." [08:13]
mircea_popescu wait, the theory is that these people bought an office building too ?! [08:13]
tg2 Kijiji shits on craigslist [08:13]
mircea_popescu !t h neobee [08:14]
assbot [HAVELOCK:NEOBEE] 1D: / 0 / (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00155000 / 0.0024427 / 0.00327700 (113780 shares, 277.92986804 BTC), 30D: 0.00155000 / 0.00351926 / 0.00567777 (493675 shares, 1737.37018237 BTC) [08:14]
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xdotcomm_ 5 to 10x better for early adapters and 10 to 20 for the masses [08:14]
xdotcomm_ tg2: kijji > craigslist thats y in Canada its #1 [08:15]
tg2 Eventually it'll take over in the us [08:18]
xdotcomm_ they will never end [08:18]
tg2 Ebay owns it [08:18]
xdotcomm_ yea [08:18]
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TestingUnoDosTre .d [08:27]
ozbot 5.007 billion | Next Diff in 1149 blocks | Estimated Change: 14.7374% in 6d 19h 11m 34s [08:27]
TestingUnoDosTre alright I've asked this before, but I got disconnected. Why does gribble have such a lower prediction for next difficulty compared to bitcoinwisdom. Is one sampling way more or way less blocks than the other? [08:28]
mircea_popescu TestingUnoDosTre perhaps check the log ? [08:29]
TestingUnoDosTre ahhh yes. There was some lag inbetween when I was checking it and disconnected [08:29]
TestingUnoDosTre now it should be good [08:29]
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TestingUnoDosTre scratch that, it looks like no one answered [08:30]
nubbins` no, i remember someone answering [08:31]
mircea_popescu what, you get different logs where you live ? [08:31]
Apocalyptic depends if kako has edited it or not I guess [08:32]
mircea_popescu [08:32]
ozbot #bitcoin-assets log [08:32]
nubbins` kako, editor of logs [08:32]
[\] I'm glad we pay these people: [08:33]
mircea_popescu check out this epic shit. apparently i'm a bad person because i don't suck now. [08:33]
ozbot [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings [08:33]
TestingUnoDosTre ahhh thank you [08:33]
mircea_popescu [\] da fuck is that supposed to be [08:34]
nubbins` heheh [08:34]
TestingUnoDosTre it says bitcoinwisdom uses a mix of 2016 long term linear and 504 short term linear to estimate [08:34]
mircea_popescu this andy greenberg imbecile is really getting my goat. [08:34]
TestingUnoDosTre at least that's what one redditor claimed [08:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00094615 = 7.5692 BTC [-] [08:35]
mircea_popescu poor finley already said he's not it. actually, what he said was, "i could claim it and go to my grave a celebrated inventor. it'd be sweet. however... i did not do it, sadly. stop hounding me." [08:35]
mircea_popescu what does forshitbes do ? hounds him. [08:35]
mircea_popescu journos belong in penal colonies, [08:35]
mircea_popescu and i'm not even tyrant yet./ [08:35]
[\] woah [08:37]
[\] so I'm late to the party [08:37]
[\] NeoBee has pulled a runner? [08:38]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.65 BTC [-] [08:38]
mircea_popescu [\] well they're having a great weekend so far. [08:39]
[\] and isn't NeoBee the guys helping 'fix' bitfunder/weex? [08:40]
[\] aren't* [08:40]
dexX7 "Danny doesn't need to talk directly to shareholders and customers." ... wow, reaching that point was faster then i expected (i didn't at all) [08:40]
mircea_popescu [\] they were the guys that spoke out of turn on the topic and then never brought it up again. [08:41]
mircea_popescu dexX7 you just think so because you're a one man band that never leaves his appartment. [08:41]
mircea_popescu if you were rich and successful you'd see. [08:41]
nubbins` someone should just IPO a series of magazine ads and six months salary and get it over with [08:43]
[\] lol [08:43]
nubbins` give up the facade [08:43]
[\] brilliant idea [08:44]
nubbins` just found a wart on my finger. turns out it's dough. [08:44]
* nubbins` fist-pumps [08:44]
mircea_popescu nubbins` in point of case, it's a major improvement over the previous stuff [08:44]
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mircea_popescu which did google ads at best. [08:44]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.65 = 1.3 BTC [-] [08:45]
bocobit hows it going guys [08:45]
bocobit i've got a question [08:45]
Duffer1 ni hao [08:45]
bocobit why doesn't Andreas Antnonopoulos have a wiki? [08:45]
mircea_popescu perhaps he didn't install one ? [08:46]
Duffer1 he's a speaker [08:46]
dignork bocobit, he wrote a book instead :) [08:46]
bocobit I'm just trying to find out some info on him like where he's from/ past work ect. [08:47]
mircea_popescu bocobit why not just ask him ? [08:47]
mircea_popescu has a twitter or an email or something im sure ? [08:47]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.63174527 = 1.2635 BTC [-] {2} [08:47]
nubbins` 3:17am, nice [08:47]
nubbins` i mean [08:47]
nubbins` nite [08:47]
mircea_popescu nn [08:47]
nubbins` (not nice) [08:47]
mircea_popescu Nighty Nubbins [08:48]
mircea_popescu stop deing bifficult. [08:48]
nubbins` NOODGIGHT [08:48]
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mircea_popescu "Some men enjoy dancing with other men without their tops on while others prefer the company of a woman two KFC family buckets away from upsetting the planet's rotational axis." [08:49]
mircea_popescu this dude can lay down the webhurt lawl. [08:49]
dexX7 hm? what would i see, if i were rich and successful? [08:50]
mircea_popescu dexX7 how would i know ? [08:50]
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mircea_popescu (i'm just being very sarcastic because that thread's too funny to do anything else) [08:51]
[\] neo pr was active for a week after their last post [08:51]
andyfletcher dexX7, you would have to tell us which direction you were looking [08:51]
dexX7 hehe k [08:52]
mircea_popescu but generally speaking, you would be seeing cleavage. [08:52]
andyfletcher assuming the lights are on [08:53]
tg2 Pleural form of cleavage [08:54]
mircea_popescu i think if you're rich and successful one of the perks is that you can see cleavage even through the dark. [08:54]
mircea_popescu or clothes. [08:54]
ThickAsThieves ;;ticker [08:56]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 476.06, Best ask: 479.14, Bid-ask spread: 3.08000, Last trade: 479.43, 24 hour volume: 10237.77098943, 24 hour low: 473.67, 24 hour high: 506.41, 24 hour vwap: 492.153544837 [08:56]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.05566386 = 0.4453 BTC [-] {5} [08:56]
mircea_popescu i thought there was supposed to be super-duper heavy support at 500 [08:56]
mircea_popescu what scam is this! [08:56]
ThickAsThieves enky says 430 or thereabouts [08:57]
ThickAsThieves i'm inclined to agree [08:57]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.00012 = 0.36 BTC [-] {4} [08:58]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2600 @ 0.00012001 = 0.312 BTC [+] {2} [09:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0454 = 0.1362 BTC [+] [09:05]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0458 = 0.229 BTC [+] [09:06]
mircea_popescu "Nearly 1,900 Veterans Committed Suicide In Just 2014 Alone" [09:07]
mircea_popescu i guess the bankers aren't suddenly all that exceptional. [09:07]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0459 = 0.2295 BTC [+] [09:07]
andyfletcher wonder how many died on deployment in the same period [09:08]
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mircea_popescu [09:09]
ozbot iCasualties | Operation Enduring Freedom | Afghanistan [09:09]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.00586892 = 0.4695 BTC [-] {4} [09:12]
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benkay hey! [09:30]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.62500105 = 1.25 BTC [-] {2} [09:31]
benkay i'm not dead yet, despite your best efforts [09:31]
benkay although all of my calories are ethanol derived [09:31]
benkay someone told me this is unhealthy [09:31]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.62044563 = 6.8249 BTC [-] {7} [09:33]
benkay !l m s.mpoe [09:33]
assbot Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00094615 BTC [-] [09:33]
benkay !l h rent [09:33]
assbot Last trade for RENT on HAVELOCK was at 0.0073 BTC [+] [09:33]
benkay the next rent round is almost not bullshit, youse guise? [09:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62 BTC [-] [09:34]
benkay ;;later tell tg2 llolzlzolozlzolzolol self-stopping doors [09:35]
gribble The operation succeeded. [09:35]
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tg2 Later while online thxm8 [09:38]
benkay u think i ams no tab compl? [09:38]
benkay the tg2 operators nevar sleep [09:39]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 543 @ 0.00616386 = 3.347 BTC [-] {10} [09:40]
benkay moiety: you have great taste in chain [09:40]
tg2 benkay your segway doesn't even have doors how would you understand this market [09:41]
benkay segue? [09:42]
benkay to something interdasting i hope [09:42]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.61125954 = 6.7239 BTC [-] {3} [09:43]
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xdotcomm_ benkay: i saw portlandia today ... is it based on your personality? [09:45]
benkay oh, both socks at once? [09:45]
benkay guys u gotta do betta [09:45]
tg2 how hard we gotta sock [09:46]
tg2 last time a sock gave you this much pleasure it ended up stuck to the laundry hamper [09:46]
benkay brilli-allent [09:47]
tg2 > concept of friendship foreign, must be socks [09:47]
tg2 ;;ident benkay [09:48]
gribble Nick 'benkay', with hostmask 'benkay!', is not identified. [09:48]
tg2 gpg up noob [09:48]
benkay if only you got to do that [09:48]
tg2 if only we ate our own dogfood [09:49]
mircea_popescu tg2 soo, you two are friends ? [09:49]
tg2 which two?! [09:49]
benkay tg2 and xdotcomm_ , sitting in a tree [09:49]
tg2 xdotcomm_ is my deputy sock obv [09:49]
benkay (f.e.l.l.a.t.i.n.g.) [09:50]
benkay anyways, upstairs sez beers. [09:51]
benkay night, gents. [09:51]
xdotcomm_ mircea_popescu: we have known each other... but none of us has helped one another move [09:51]
tg2 lol [09:51]
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mircea_popescu xdotcomm_ lol i c [09:51]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.05719913 = 0.2288 BTC [+] {2} [09:51]
xdotcomm_ in north america you can only be friends if you move couches for each other during moves [09:51]
tg2 we are the best of business friends but the worst of IRL friends [09:51]
tg2 this guy sold me a broken gong [09:51]
xdotcomm_ 99% online relationship [09:51]
mircea_popescu o i thought "help each other move" is when you seduce the other's wife and so now he has to find a motel. [09:52]
tg2 and then never even gave it to me [09:52]
xdotcomm_ tg2: sold a server as well then stole it back [09:52]
tg2 ;;rate xdotcomm_ -10 sold me a broken gong and then never even gave it to me [09:52]
gribble Error: You have to have received some ratings in order to rate other users. [09:52]
xdotcomm_ ive been trying to pay back for years for that [09:52]
tg2 sells me a server "sick deal bro, dual quad core xeon 32G ram" [09:52]
xdotcomm_ SSD! [09:52]
tg2 wake up the next day [09:53]
tg2 car windows smashed in [09:53]
tg2 server no longer there [09:53]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0463 = 0.1389 BTC [+] [09:53]
tg2 i'm gonna reck ur otc rating when I get one [09:53]
xdotcomm_ i need to get the weight of unfairness shifted somehow [09:54]
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xdotcomm_ been trying hard [09:54]
xdotcomm_ for party bring magnum vodka bottle... [09:54]
tg2 who's gonna administer the bet on bitbet about how long until one of us gets rating [09:54]
xdotcomm_ we can cheat and sell cheap btc [09:54]
xdotcomm_ @ loss [09:54]
tg2 solid biz plan [09:55]
xdotcomm_ get best strippers for the party [09:55]
xdotcomm_ i try hard [09:55]
TestingUnoDosTre rate xdotcomm 2 . comment this guy has no clue how much tell sell btc for [09:55]
tg2 lol [09:55]
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xdotcomm_ for realz [09:56]
tg2 for real tho he called the doge spike about 2 hours before it climed from 54 to 290 [09:56]
tg2 made me lots of btc's [09:56]
tg2 off of scrubcoins [09:56]
xdotcomm_ it was a savant moment [09:56]
tg2 now its going back there [09:56]
tg2 lol [09:56]
xdotcomm_ i can just give access to my tranny paysite to everyone in this chan.. probably get mad ratings [09:57]
xdotcomm_ exclusive tranny contents [09:57]
tg2 mpex crashes, havelock closes [09:57]
tg2 ghost chan [09:57]
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mircea_popescu [16:07]
mircea_popescu pls t [16:07]
ozbot [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings [16:07]
mircea_popescu pls to have informations ty. [16:07]
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psterryl the more herp talks the more he comes across as extremely paranoid and pretty delusional [16:09]
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psterryl!*@* added to ignore list. [16:10]
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mircea_popescu ahh that thread is too delicious [16:17]
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moiety bitpop is still going?! ffs [16:37]
mircea_popescu o look who's here. when did the menuls let you out of the cage moiety ? [16:39]
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moiety earlier, but i went to do things (mothers day here) - thats why they released me XD how are you mircea_popescu? [16:41]
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mircea_popescu oh you know, all butthurt about how nobody is using mpex anymore because i'm a dinosaur [16:42]
mircea_popescu here in my old apartment, with the chains... [16:42]
* moiety hands mircea_popescu the tissues [16:42]
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moiety there there [16:42]
mircea_popescu and this half pound of hand made chocolate pralines i bought yesterday from the... uh... from the pantry [16:42]
moiety pralines are ace, they should numb the pain [16:43]
mircea_popescu oh, but nothing can ever dull the pain of dissaproval by a bunch of anon tards on a forum somewhere. [16:44]
mircea_popescu that's the worst. [16:44]
moiety do you not still have the form i gave you? to the logs! [16:44]
mircea_popescu i really am having too much fun online these days. [16:44]
mircea_popescu how the fuck would one not is the question. this beats anything steve martin ever did. [16:45]
moiety this thread has me reading the forum again and the dank bank [16:45]
ozbot [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings [16:45]
mircea_popescu the dank bank was epic lmao. -pr sends me the link with "you have to check this out" in the comment field, which you know, the fuck do i know what it is ? [16:46]
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mircea_popescu totally blindsided me, i was roaring laughing. [16:46]
moiety me too lol insta-watch list addition for me [16:46]
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mircea_popescu i think there's enough material of good crazy quality on that forum so far to hack the borg cube. [16:47]
mircea_popescu just you know... hash it, or something. [16:47]
moiety lololol more than enough [16:48]
moiety its the only reason to be there really, for me anyways [16:48]
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mircea_popescu this is what, the... fourth installment of "we shall make our own webexchange and become rich out of lunch money" attempt that blew up ? [16:49]
mircea_popescu definitely looking forward to 2015. [16:49]
moiety XD only four? [16:49]
* andyfletcher is waiting for the headline "N&B CEO: Aliens ate our btc" [16:49]
moiety ;; later tell BingoBoingo this is you isn't it?! [16:50]
gribble The operation succeeded. [16:50]
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mircea_popescu andyfletcher you happen to have that pic of 5 people, neo "ceo" guy on left, tuur guy next to him then 3 actual adults ? [16:50]
deadweasel the forums are seething with ignorance, I should block bitcointalk at the router. [16:50]
mircea_popescu some guy from the local uni etc [16:50]
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moiety but but comedy [16:51]
* andyfletcher doesn't have the pic, but can imagine it [16:51]
deadweasel I can't block it, it's too rich. [16:52]
MGK where can I mine for PPS? [16:52]
moiety i've had a fair bit of idiocy to catch up on after ignoring btctalk existance for quite some time [16:52]
mircea_popescu MGK which are those ? [16:53]
MGK Pay Per Share [16:53]
mircea_popescu it was something like that. [16:53]
MGK any pools still use that payment method? [16:53]
mircea_popescu MGK o you mean pools ? hm. [16:54]
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mircea_popescu probably not. wasn't it eminently defraudable in some manner ? [16:54]
MGK yes pool that has PPS payment option [16:54]
moiety irrelevant but that room is gorgeous [16:55]
mircea_popescu well i imagine it musta been reasonably expensive. [16:55]
MGK Not totally sure [16:55]
moiety why do these places pair gorgeous ceilings with awful carpetting?! everywhere! [16:56]
chetty cause trolls have muddy feet [16:57]
mircea_popescu moiety it's an expense thing. expensive carpeting is expensive to maintain. gorgeous ceilings are a one time only sort of expense. [16:58]
moiety good point.. let them have linoleum! [16:58]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 312 @ 0.00088832 = 0.2772 BTC [+] [16:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00088832 = 0.1777 BTC [+] [17:00]
mircea_popescu "let them have linoleum and aim for the stars!" [17:00]
moiety could veen be marble pattern... [17:04]
moiety even* [17:04]
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moiety imagine ukraine voted in darth vader.. what are they thinking running?! [17:04]
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MGK anyone know how much IXC is or what that even is? and is dev coin worth anything? [17:13]
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mircea_popescu you'll find few people here care about altcoins, outside perhaps atc and ltc, or to make fun of dodge. [17:14]
MGK only asked because gives me them for mining bitcoin on their pool [17:16]
MGK and I have a decent amount now figured id ask about them [17:17]
ThickAsThieves i'd it stands for intraexchange currency [17:17]
ThickAsThieves and they probably issue it themselves as a token of some sort [17:17]
ThickAsThieves guess* [17:17]
ThickAsThieves ;;google what is IXC at [17:18]
gribble GHash.IO - Bitcoin: ; Reason why miners like me won't leave GHASH.IO or won't stop ...: ; FAQ – CEX.IO: [17:18]
MGK you cant trade IXC or Dev on their exchange so why would they hand them out? Must not be worth anything is what im thinking [17:18]
ThickAsThieves [17:19]
ThickAsThieves "The Inter eXchange Coin" [17:19]
punkman1 just an old altcoin that can be merge-mined [17:19]
MGK thanks [17:20]
ThickAsThieves thank google [17:21]
mircea_popescu i suppose merge mining does that, there'll be lots of abandocoins [17:22]
ThickAsThieves you should check it out: [17:22]
mircea_popescu ie, stuff nobody cares about anymore but since they're merge-mined there's plenty floating around [17:22]
MGK wow never heard of google, great find! [17:23]
mircea_popescu lol [17:24]
ThickAsThieves it's hit and miss, but useful [17:24]
mircea_popescu I wonder if there's anyone who actually said this honestly today, somewhere on the planet [17:24]
punkman1 likely [17:26]
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mircea_popescu how tho. i mean most browsers ship with it embedded [17:29]
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punkman1 well kids are being born every second [17:29]
mircea_popescu but much akin people of the 90s though the blue ms explorer icon was "the internet" [17:30]
mircea_popescu just so people of the 2010s at that level have no particular understanding of google as apart from the normal functioning of their browser [17:30]
ThickAsThieves well you did say anyone in the world [17:31]
ThickAsThieves plenty in remote areas never heard of it i assume [17:32]
ThickAsThieves 90yo grandmas in developing countries [17:32]
ThickAsThieves grammy this is google! [17:32]
mircea_popescu hm [17:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06611111 = 0.6611 BTC [+] [17:33]
mircea_popescu trying to imagine the world is such a mind boggling exercise. [17:33]
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punkman1;all [17:35]
ozbot [ANN] Litecoin [LTC] X11 hardfork at block 564,480 [17:35]
MGK have you ever travelled much? [17:36]
mircea_popescu MGK yes. [17:36]
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mircea_popescu punkman1 ouch. [17:36]
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punkman1 alt-altcoin [17:37]
mircea_popescu MisterE: heh, I got a little nervous nelly today, thought we were going to test 400, so I sold some coin for 484 that I bought at 505 :/ << that's how fortunes are made. [17:37]
mircea_popescu other people's, but what's in a genitive. [17:37]
mircea_popescu "To lower the footprint of LTC and retain GPU mineability, the algorithm of our choice is X11." footprint in what sense ? [17:38]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9150 @ 0.00094462 = 8.6433 BTC [-] [17:38]
mircea_popescu has "footprint" become one of those words ? [17:38]
punkman1 environmental footprint most likely [17:38]
mircea_popescu but gpus are pretty inefficient [17:39]
punkman1 and these people are not people [17:39]
mircea_popescu course it makes exactly zero difference, in the end. [17:39]
mircea_popescu people will expend as much energy as they're willing to expend, how many hashes that yields is a purely conventional measure [17:40]
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ThickAsThieves I do wonder if LTC ASICs will kill it [17:40]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves well, the forum crowd still hoping to "strike it rich" on their ten bux will proclaim it dead [17:41]
mircea_popescu or "a scam", either way. [17:41]
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ThickAsThieves ;;ticker [17:41]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 442.9, Best ask: 447.26, Bid-ask spread: 4.36000, Last trade: 442.9, 24 hour volume: 18908.29228525, 24 hour low: 442.89, 24 hour high: 501.9, 24 hour vwap: 473.125631005 [17:41]
ThickAsThieves looks like that bottom will be put to the test [17:41]
mircea_popescu but that aside ltc was always an iffy proposition. and contrary to what the proponents were screaming, it hasn't really been lifted by btc so much. [17:41]
ThickAsThieves to me its only offer was pretty much what Altcoin proclaims [17:42]
ThickAsThieves to be the clearest alt in the fog [17:42]
ThickAsThieves but the fog is so thick now [17:42]
ThickAsThieves and newcomers cant see it [17:42]
ThickAsThieves to newcomers ltc has to win on the same ground as any other alt [17:43]
mircea_popescu i think this is actually true. [17:43]
mircea_popescu as outlandish as it may sound [17:43]
turbo_ac100 (16:37:25) mircea_popescu: MisterE: heh, I got a little nervous nelly today, thought we were going to test 400, so I sold some coin for 484 that I bought at 505 :/ << that's how fortunes are made. << oracle of delphi, alexander the great [17:43]
ThickAsThieves all it has left, is its liquidity [17:43]
mircea_popescu lol [17:43]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves the liquidity problem of a crypto coin is problematic. i could present the following argument that atc actually has better liquidity : [17:44]
mircea_popescu the ratio between people willing to buy to support it and people needing to sell to pay for their mining is better. [17:44]
MisterE stamp testing 440 so not feeling too bad about it ;) [17:44]
midnightmagic mikaeldice MiningBuddy mircea_popescu MisterE mixdio_ [17:44]
midnightmagic mikaeldice MiningBuddy mircea_popescu MisterE mixdio_ [17:44]
mircea_popescu MisterE you already booked your loss no matter what other things happen around you. [17:45]
ThickAsThieves indeed [17:45]
MisterE yep [17:45]
ThickAsThieves however, I also suspect LTC may be used for money laundering [17:45]
mircea_popescu see, i bought 60 coins for 1k dollars in 2011. all through 2012 this was ~1k dollars loss. [17:45]
ThickAsThieves which makes a market for it [17:45]
mircea_popescu however, i never realised it, and so i can book a gain on that buy now if i feel like it. [17:45]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves what does that even mena ? [17:45]
ThickAsThieves well people selling btc for ltc trying to mix things [17:46]
MisterE trying to use the ratio to coin up [17:46]
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VanCleef mircea needs to cash out and drive it back to single digits [17:47]
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moiety my arsedness to deal with alts depletes everyday [17:52]
ThickAsThieves Estimated Next Difficulty: 6,029,609,483 (+20.43%) [17:52]
VanCleef this bitcoiner that works upstairs from my office just jumped out from his window [17:55]
deadweasel suicide? [17:57]
[KS] MP: you have some fans in teh Neo thread :) [17:57]
ThickAsThieves are you gonna pick his pockets? [17:57]
VanCleef #bitcoinsucidehelpline [17:58]
ThickAsThieves KS I think some of the quotes of MP you posted might be out of context [17:58]
ThickAsThieves the first two lines, I think he was talking about Litecoin [17:59]
ThickAsThieves but maybe not... [17:59]
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nubbins` [18:00]
ozbot Twitter / RPMCBC: Now playing ... uh.. D**k Surgery ... [18:00]
* nubbins` cackles [18:00]
nubbins` i wonder what sort of royalties i'm entitled to [18:00]
VanCleef tat got out of neobee at the perfect time [18:00]
[KS] TAT: really? whuddathunk? :) [18:01]
ThickAsThieves odds are there were more perfect times VanCleef [18:01]
VanCleef yeh? [18:01]
[KS] I'm making fun of MPOE PR but she's not biting :( [18:01]
[KS] :) [18:01]
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kakobrekla ;;gettrust [KS] [18:02]
gribble Error: "KS" is not a valid command. [18:02]
VanCleef i like it when she bites...just a lil bit no raking [18:02]
ThickAsThieves hax [18:02]
kakobrekla dafuq [18:02]
kakobrekla you in the wot son? [18:02]
[KS] I'm protected by the NSA [18:02]
[KS] :) [18:03]
kakobrekla its something you answer with yes or no, not a smiley face [18:03]
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kakobrekla but i take its a no [18:03]
[KS] correct [18:03]
[KS] (my previous "answer" was for 3 lines before) [18:04]
mircea_popescu [KS] i am dearly beloved wherever idiots gather. [18:05]
mircea_popescu nubbins` perhaps free moyle services for lyf ? [18:05]
kakobrekla re beloved: things which are alike, in nature, grow to look alike. [18:06]
nubbins` unfortunately i slept in, so i'm not sure which track they played [18:07]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla hehehe [18:08]
mircea_popescu "unfortunately confirmed with Niccocia that BREWSTER fled the country with thousands of coins from the IPVO and employees, unpaid employees and milions of dues to local businesses" [18:08]
mircea_popescu no fucking way anyone was stupid enough to credit that dude with millions. [18:08]
punkman1 why not? [18:09]
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mircea_popescu well i don't know how they do it in cyprus, but i've never extended millions in commercial credit on unpaid accounts. [18:11]
mircea_popescu generally you let a customer walk with a few k's, then they pay that... takes someone even mid level many years to work themselves up to where they can run a tab in the millions [18:11]
mircea_popescu whereas this teenager suddenly appeared last summer. [18:11]
nubbins` "i'll pay you for all those magazine ads soon, i swear" [18:12]
the20year2 thecluck TheSeven thestringpuller ThickAsThieves thoa_afk [18:12]
mircea_popescu [KS] yes, my two lines in were actually a reply to ThickAsThieves' comment about litecoin [18:12]
mircea_popescu you read teh rules ? [18:12]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 74 @ 0.06271513 = 4.6409 BTC [-] {8} [18:12]
chetty I'll gladly pay you on Tuesday for a hamburger today [18:12]
mircea_popescu nubbins` ok, that may be an exception, seeing how nobody is interested in buying ads, and ESPECIALLY not at list prices, so if you're the sort of schmuck that may be tricked into it and they have nothing else to run anyway, [18:12]
nubbins` [KS] quoting out of context? tsk [18:13]
mircea_popescu they just might run $50k worth of ads and pretend they're owed $1.050 mn [18:13]
mircea_popescu but anyway, if you're curious : the last time i bought ads, cca 2006, i simply crossed out anyone who wasn't willing to go UNDER 50% of list price, and just negotiated with everyone else. [18:13]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 86 @ 0.06063386 = 5.2145 BTC [-] {5} [18:13]
mircea_popescu on average i paid if memory serves ~31% or so. [18:13]
mircea_popescu anyone thinking they can build a business out of paying ratecard has got a whole other layer of things wrong with their head. [18:14]
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nubbins` the problem is that btc space is still infested -- almost completely -- with rubes [18:16]
ThickAsThieves rates get really good towards deadline too [18:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06050001 = 0.121 BTC [-] [18:16]
nubbins` drooling idiots falling over each other to "provide services", "offer funds", "invest", etc [18:16]
mircea_popescu myeah. [18:17]
nubbins` too many people hanging off the wheels of the airplane, i tell ya [18:17]
mircea_popescu but it's fuuuu...*splotch* [18:17]
nubbins` "my privately minted 10btc round is worth 40btc" [18:18]
nubbins` "we have a business plan" [18:18]
nubbins` etc [18:18]
mircea_popescu "we r ceo" [18:18]
mircea_popescu sounds like y-m-c-a [18:18]
moiety i was thinking D.I.S.C.O tune [18:18]
nubbins` "this idea will sell itself" [18:19]
mircea_popescu or that. [18:20]
mircea_popescu jesus fuck i can't believe how broken the internet is. anyway, investopedia is wrong. the definition of commercial credit has nothing to do with any bank. [18:20]
mircea_popescu commercial credit is created by any merchant that delivers goods to another but does not force them to pay right off. [18:21]
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nubbins` "we can make a hardware wallet" [18:21]
mircea_popescu this de-facto creates some extra money in the system, and the aggregate is known as "commercial credit" [18:21]
nubbins` "paper wallets are too confusing" [18:22]
mircea_popescu MGK: I heard this is the center of bitcoin, hello center << lol i had just missed that. hello mgk. who are you ? [18:23]
[KS] MP: I think you should pay me, I'm doing better PR than MPOE PR. Plus, I'm not deforming your words. Everything is verbatim! :) [18:24]
nubbins` [KS], i think YOU should pay ME! [18:25]
mircea_popescu [18:25]
ozbot #bitcoin-assets rules and regulations pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [18:25]
mircea_popescu "On the other hand professional also implies that you understand how context works, and will never ever under any circumstances omit relevant context when quoting, especially when such omission changes the meaning of your quote and the quoted then has to point this out to you" [18:26]
MGK [18:26]
nubbins` ^ [18:26]
nubbins` rather, ^^ [18:26]
nubbins` "i pasted a bunch of lines out of context in the forums, didn't link to the log, or even bother putting it inside a quote block. this guarantees that not only will nobody read it, but nobody who does can even verify its authenticity. i think you should pay me." [18:27]
nubbins` my sides, etc [18:27]
[KS] Yup. Except it wasn't quoting if its not in "quotes". [18:28]
[KS] [18:28]
nubbins` you'll do well here [18:28]
nubbins` i can tell already [18:28]
[KS] I'll post 2 lines to make that clear if you want. [18:28]
mircea_popescu [KS] eh get out, you're an otherwise smart fellow about to paint himself in a corner trying to argue nonsense of the sake of nonsense. [18:28]
nubbins` ^ [18:28]
mircea_popescu it happens, irc is fluid, just fix it and forget about it. [18:29]
nubbins` thanks for the link to grammar book, btw [18:29]
nubbins` i literally did not know what quotation marks were [18:29]
mircea_popescu you mean "literally" [18:29]
nubbins` "thanks" [18:30]
kakobrekla does that mean 'being trashful'? [18:30]
mircea_popescu "oh yeah ? well i had sex with your wife!" [18:30]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla "that". [18:31]
nubbins` [18:31]
nubbins` sorry for linking to some shit upworthy-esque website [18:31]
nubbins` but unnecessary quotes really tickle me [18:31]
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mircea_popescu o look. there's a bunch of cracked.coms now [18:31]
bounce [18:32]
ozbot Save capitalism from the capitalists by taxing wealth - [18:32]
blackwhite hola peeps [18:32]
blackwhite [18:32]
ozbot digital interface: Strangecoin: a nonlinear currency [18:32]
mircea_popescu bounce sounds just about forum-y. [18:32]
mircea_popescu blackwhite cliffnotes ? [18:33]
kakobrekla its a bitcoin with if rand() ==== 4; goto fail; [18:33]
deadweasel nubbins`: lol @ Objects in quotation marks. For, you know, reasons. [18:33]
mircea_popescu deadweasel nubbins` you know someone on the forum put mircea popescu in quotes ? [18:33]
nubbins` "security guard" [18:33]
nubbins` mp lel [18:33]
mircea_popescu like you know... i'm an allegedly me sort of thing [18:33]
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nubbins` that's cute [18:34]
deadweasel allegedly [18:34]
mircea_popescu ahahahaha ring bell for "MEAT SERVICE" [18:34]
bounce $other_rag presented it as the short version of that guy's 600-odd page book. I'm sure he's got bad ideas mixed inextricably with the good like any economist would [18:34]
mircea_popescu totally needs a nude gal next to the frozen turkeys. [18:34]
[KS] " like you know... i'm an allegedly me sort of thing" - I can see a quote coming... :) [18:35]
mircea_popescu i dun recall where it was, maybe the neo bee thread [18:35]
nubbins` putting "thanks" in quotes is the best [18:35]
mircea_popescu He's the one who totally won't inject your breasts with cement. Totally not that one. [18:35]
nubbins` if you are "pregnant"... [18:36]
mircea_popescu i wonder how many women go around the daily chores of their cocksucking on camera life *thinking* they have saline solution breast implants [18:36]
mircea_popescu when in fact it's really urine. [18:36]
deadweasel yuck [18:36]
deadweasel why yo titties so sloshy bitch? [18:37]
mircea_popescu [18:38]
mircea_popescu pretty good one [18:38]
mircea_popescu picture john cleese going "well it's not bloody england now is it!" [18:39]
nubbins` lel [18:40]
mircea_popescu aaaahahaha [18:41]
nubbins` immediately below: "management reserves the right to refuse service..." [18:41]
Mats_cd03 id like my pee to be used to inflate boobies one day [18:41]
Mats_cd03 what an honor [18:41]
nubbins` WHOA [18:41]
mircea_popescu you know "the throne" is common romanian parlance for the toilet bowl/seat ? [18:41]
mircea_popescu russian too afaik [18:41]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 400 @ 0.00645971 = 2.5839 BTC [+] {9} [18:42]
pankkake french too [18:42]
[KS] MP there:;topic=289730.4140;num_replies=4145 [18:42]
[KS] happy? :) [18:43]
nubbins` english too [18:43]
[KS] I'm off. Good fun. [18:43]
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nubbins` aka porcelain throne [18:43]
mircea_popescu "Only registered members are allowed to access this section." da fuck was that. [18:43]
nubbins` aka the ralph & bob telephone [18:43]
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mircea_popescu "It’s 2010, and a passenger is trying to bring her live goldfish through security. One of my co-workers informs her that the fish can go through but the water cannot. The woman is on the verge of tears" [18:44]
mircea_popescu that'd be so epic. i'd have just taken the motherfucking fish. [18:44]
mircea_popescu seat it on the seat next to me [18:44]
mircea_popescu "sorry, obama's direct orders" [18:45]
nubbins` pop it in her mouth [18:45]
mircea_popescu supreme court says this is not a fish. [18:45]
mircea_popescu it's a tax. [18:45]
nubbins` there's usually water for sale on the other side of security [18:45]
mircea_popescu gold fish in mineral water [18:45]
mircea_popescu ahem. i mean "gold fish in mineral water" [18:45]
nubbins` i mean if the guard wasn't such a dick he'd have a glass of secure water on the other side of the xray [18:45]
nubbins` she could just pluck the fish out and pass it thru [18:45]
mircea_popescu stick a little q-tip in its mouyth first [18:46]
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nubbins` swab for explosives [18:50]
nubbins` good idea [18:50]
mircea_popescu some fish puff up [18:50]
mircea_popescu it's almost like an explosion. [18:50]
nubbins` incidentally we were dismantled and swabbed when returning from colombia [18:50]
nubbins` canada customs asked my travelling partner: "so how was the cocaine?" [18:50]
nubbins` never saw a man lose color so quickly [18:51]
mircea_popescu see, this is why you train the entourage. [18:51]
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nubbins` all they found on me was a GIGANTIC SPIDER hidden in my hammock [18:51]
mircea_popescu the correct response is "i can't remember, his cock was just fucking fantastic i forgot all about everything else" [18:51]
nubbins` i shouted JESUS CHRIST and the nice customs man stomped it to a paste [18:51]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.44074060 BTC to 4`860 shares, 50221 satoshi per share [18:59]
kakobrekla [18:59]
ozbot [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings [18:59]
kakobrekla the high mpoe-pr priest has converted another one! [18:59]
mircea_popescu lmao who's cassandra-pr [19:01]
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moiety oh christ [19:18]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'pleasure throne' link from your 'twitter' seems to be a knock-off of the famous 'sybian' auto-wanker. [19:18]
mircea_popescu certainly. [19:18]
asciilifeform what's interesting is that the photo looks like it was taken at a tech trade show [19:19]
mircea_popescu and the two look like a sort of midwestern bouvard & pecuchet [19:19]
asciilifeform ;;google teledildonics [19:20]
gribble Teledildonics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Teledildonics: The Weird, Wonderful World of Social Sex Toys: ; Teledildonics – there's an app for that! (NSFW) - Gizmag: [19:20]
mircea_popescu "Levy argued that by 2050 "sex with robots will be commonplace." [19:21]
mircea_popescu this is such a weak statement. sex with whatever has at hand has been commonplace since forever, [19:22]
mircea_popescu inasmuch as by sex you mean copulation and ejaculation [19:22]
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TestingUnoDosTre ;;ticker [19:37]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 440.04, Best ask: 440.37, Bid-ask spread: 0.33000, Last trade: 440.37, 24 hour volume: 24513.27393403, 24 hour low: 436.0, 24 hour high: 501.9, 24 hour vwap: 465.965967901 [19:37]
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tg2 Teledildonics [19:53]
tg2 xdotcommer ^ [19:55]
tg2 Has a phd in this field [19:55]
benkay ;;gpg everify benkay [19:57]
gribble Error: Could not find a pending authentication request from your hostmask. Either it expired, or you changed hostmask, or you haven't made one. [19:57]
benkay ;;gpg eauth benkay [19:57]
gribble Request successful for user benkay, hostmask benkay! Get your encrypted OTP from [19:57]
benkay ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:9b1f48c2d3f7308c2bfc37b583412ab487e081fbf3942171827ad295 [19:58]
benkay [19:58]
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gribble You are now authenticated for user benkay with key 39F274AFBC7ACAC7 [19:58]
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benkay "A braindamaged assumption is that on account of any sort of “qualifications” or simply on account of your existence you’re pretty cool and certainly equal to anyone else. " [19:59]
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benkay the20year2: "The market is the best instrument for both pricing assets and allocating capital that humans have stumbled upon so far." [20:00]
benkay i forgot all about rules and regs [20:00]
mircea_popescu these words... [20:00]
mircea_popescu they sound familiar [20:00]
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benkay just sucking up, mp [20:00]
benkay [20:00]
mircea_popescu o are you a sock ? [20:00]
ozbot #bitcoin-assets rules and regulations pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [20:00]
benkay i'm actually you [20:00]
benkay can't you tell by my rating? [20:01]
benkay it's all from your other socks. [20:01]
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mircea_popescu i aspire to have 365 pairs of socks [20:02]
mircea_popescu that way, i can launder money only once a year. [20:02]
benkay sounds sticky [20:02]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i've often wondered if there is, somewhere, a literal 'money laundry' - for trips to Dubai, etc. where a nanogram of coke merits the firing squad [20:03]
mircea_popescu you can mostly just put it in the wash [20:04]
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AccountantPierre Bonjour [20:04]
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benkay allo [20:04]
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mircea_popescu salu [20:05]
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AccountantPierre I'm the treasurer over at the new Satoshi Nakamoto Institute. My colleague Daniel published a new piece today: Interested to hear intelligent opinions/feedback [20:05]
benkay ;;google good money drives out bad [20:06]
gribble Gresham's law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Gresham's Law Definition | Investopedia: ; Gresham's law (economics) -- Encyclopedia Britannica: [20:06]
AccountantPierre Thier's Law applies to Bitcoin, not Gresham's [20:06]
benkay kinda an old saw, this 'demonetization' thing. [20:06]
mircea_popescu AccountantPierre were you here before / are you related to Pierre Rochard ? [20:07]
AccountantPierre That's me [20:07]
mircea_popescu aite i'll read it once im done with this cunt size post for trilema. [20:07]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: cunt size post ?! [20:08]
asciilifeform ;;google go no go gauge [20:08]
gribble Go/no go gauge - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; GO/NO-GO GAUGE SETS | Brownells: ; Go No Go Gauge | eBay: [20:08]
benkay ;;later tell BingoBoingo [20:08]
gribble The operation succeeded. [20:08]
benkay wd AccountantPierre [20:08]
benkay are those collections available as a single file? [20:09]
AccountantPierre benkay: enjoy [20:09]
benkay o wow mises circle's been busy too [20:11]
AccountantPierre yep. We'll be transitioning all of our bitcoin posts from the mises circle to SNI [20:12]
benkay AccountantPierre: why is your name still on the Foundation website? [20:12]
benkay ;;gettrust AccountantPierre [20:12]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user AccountantPierre: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: never [20:12]
AccountantPierre Where? [20:12]
benkay [20:13]
AccountantPierre huh, didn't know they publish that. I'm a big tent kind of guy, I post in the foundation forums [20:13]
benkay careful your tent doesn't get lit on fire by bfl shareholders [20:14]
benkay er [20:14]
benkay preorderer [20:14]
benkay arglarglargl [20:14]
AccountantPierre haha [20:14]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1820 @ 0.00013796 = 0.2511 BTC [+] {3} [20:14]
TestingUnoDosTre .d [20:20]
ozbot 5.007 billion | Next Diff in 1077 blocks | Estimated Change: 13.7098% in 6d 10h 37m 2s [20:20]
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mircea_popescu AccountantPierre who draw that cartoon ? [20:22]
mircea_popescu drew* [20:22]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 450 @ 0.0064828 = 2.9173 BTC [+] {10} [20:22]
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mircea_popescu AccountantPierre also this is prolly of interest re the entire hyperinflation/demonetisaiton : [20:24]
B51Num1 BCB benkay bettyclamp bgupta BigBitz bit14__ blackwhite blg bloctoc bounce Bunnyh bwq [20:24]
mircea_popescu it is an old saw, as benkay points out. that particular link references earlier reports provided by herbi who actually run the pinksheets and found the highest stock increase in the history of stock increases fails to come within one degree of magnitude of bitcoin's. [20:25]
moiety [20:26]
mircea_popescu so to sum up, the piece suffers from the same problem illustrated by the opening cartoon : a mostly banal piece with very poor references. surely people outside of the mises circle must have written about these matters, perhaps for years. [20:26]
benkay put it on a pleasure throne, moiety [20:27]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.65982142 = 4.6187 BTC [+] {4} [20:27]
moiety hihi benkay, how goes today [20:27]
asciilifeform '' appears defunct. [20:27]
mircea_popescu also disqus is fucking evil. [20:27]
asciilifeform guess they didn't sell that well [20:27]
mircea_popescu can you picture a woman buying dildos from those two guys ? [20:28]
AccountantPierre mircea_popescu: Daniel drew it. I'm thinking we'll phase out disqus and roll our own [20:28]
mircea_popescu they couldn't pass the genuine article for free. [20:28]
mircea_popescu AccountantPierre so then you know, say "Daniel drew it" [20:28]
mircea_popescu generally speaking you have no better way to ruin a first impression on the web than unsourced material [20:29]
mircea_popescu (other than perhaps bad tech solutions, a la disqus) [20:29]
moiety mircea_popescu: i thought that lol - the sign behind them says, "you are limited only by your imagination" errr and those chaps [20:29]
mircea_popescu moiety the idea of giving you a crown for fucking... [20:30]
AccountantPierre I'll take that criticism, but we do have to allocate our time as best we can [20:31]
benkay dunce cap [20:31]
benkay gotta work that into the routine [20:31]
mircea_popescu which part is the timesink ? [20:31]
benkay dunce cap and collar [20:31]
AccountantPierre creating a comments section [20:32]
mircea_popescu oh [20:32]
moiety lololol [20:32]
AccountantPierre benkay: I'll get started on making one, I need it a lot as twenty something [20:32]
benkay making which, AccountantPierre ? [20:32]
AccountantPierre the dunce cap [20:32]
mircea_popescu "There's no bigger joke than this mpex dude and his army of spamtroll donkeys." that's funny, because the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing a bunch of forum derps that he's running the largest shill stable in the world without having to actually pay a cent for it. [20:33]
benkay o hey look i don't even need to make my own sexy acoutremont any more, thanks -assets [20:33]
mircea_popescu AccountantPierre you know you can just register #satoshi-institute [20:33]
mircea_popescu or /we [20:33]
mircea_popescu "if you want to discuss our articles, click here" [20:33]
benkay nubbins`: lol'd @ [20:33]
nubbins` bright fella [20:34]
AccountantPierre I like that idea, the issue is the lack of distinct threads [20:34]
benkay AccountantPierre: emails. [20:36]
benkay append to post. [20:36]
benkay do it ghetto stylee [20:36]
mircea_popescu may turn out to be an advantage. but anyway. [20:36]
benkay best thing is this makes for no comments [20:36]
mircea_popescu the main focus should be much better integration. i can appreciate that a trained accountant wants to keep things well separate [20:36]
mircea_popescu but the internet does not, nor does the brain. [20:36]
mircea_popescu nor, for that matter, bitcoin. [20:36]
mircea_popescu so, reference more. [20:36]
AccountantPierre true. Appreciate your thoughts. If people knew git they could do a pull request with their comment [20:37]
mircea_popescu conversely, maybe only getting comments from people who know git is a blessing. [20:37]
mircea_popescu i know only talking to people who can run irc has worked ok for me these past coupla years. [20:38]
benkay GIT COMMENTS [20:38]
benkay HORY SHIT [20:38]
mircea_popescu benkay u jelly ? [20:38]
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benkay what, of an idea? get lost. [20:38]
mircea_popescu u r aintcha. [20:38]
mircea_popescu you knew that email klutz is klutzy [20:39]
benkay or the massive corpus of ideas you have access to recombine on demand? [20:39]
benkay my life is extremely klutzy [20:39]
mircea_popescu so so helly :D [20:39]
benkay one day i'll be old too [20:39]
benkay you'll be senile [20:39]
benkay we'll be even [20:39]
mircea_popescu hehehe [20:40]
benkay [20:41]
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ozbot Why it’s tough being in an altcoin cartel | FT Alphaville [20:41]
benkay link sux disregard [20:42]
Mats_cd03 nub [20:42]
benkay feelings [20:43]
nubbins` heh apparently the cbc introduced our band as "D-something surgery" [20:44]
nubbins` bit too racy for 10am on a sunday, i guess [20:45]
mircea_popescu nubbins` so are you sold out yet ? [20:46]
benkay lol girls mom just called me [20:46]
mircea_popescu can i tell all the chicks i used to listen to dick surgery back before they were all commercialised crap ? [20:46]
benkay "hi b plz get k to call me i'd like to talk to her about something" [20:46]
nubbins` we're technically not sellouts until we get airplay on a station that isn't supported by tax dollars ;D [20:46]
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benkay girls voicemail has been filled with momversations. now its time for mine. [20:47]
nubbins` "A guy orders 25 hits. I send him a 5x5 sheet. His feedback reads "The hit was very large but I managed to fit it in my mouth. The lines were neat. Good trip". I wonder if the guy thought the 25 hits were one!?" [20:49]
nubbins` hahah [20:49]
benkay mircea_popescu: my klutzy ass would implement patches over email anyways [20:49]
nubbins` guy takes 5000ug of LSD. "good trip." [20:50]
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mircea_popescu well... you can't really od on the stuff can you ? [20:51]
nubbins` not in the sense that you'll cause damage to your body, no [20:53]
nubbins` psychological effects, different story [20:53]
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Mats_cd03 urban myth [20:54]
nubbins` great way to get a permanent thousand-yard stare [20:54]
nubbins` Mats_cd03: i'm not saying "guy now thinks he's an orange" or anything [20:54]
tg2 I think you could probably kill yourself as a result of taking to much lsd [20:54]
tg2 But not an od on it per se [20:54]
Mats_cd03 ive eaten vials of the stuff and im mostly all here [20:55]
tg2 Just getting yourself into a dangerous predicament because of it [20:55]
BCB what is going on with Neo and Bee at Havelock [20:55]
nubbins` nod, worst that usually happens is that people start thinking you're a bit odd [20:55]
benkay then your hair goes all frizzy and white [20:56]
nubbins` but the same could happen from any number of intense experiences [20:56]
nubbins` BCB: nothing ;D [20:56]
benkay BCB: [20:56]
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mircea_popescu[color=green [20:57]
ozbot Herp Rating Agency [20:57]
mircea_popescu herp had a rating agency ? [20:57]
mircea_popescu the forum never ends. [20:57]
mircea_popescu "Herp Rating Agency is an initiative born out of the need for due diligence in the Bitcoin ecosystem." [20:57]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 142 @ 0.007 = 0.994 BTC [-] [20:57]
benkay neo and bee - buy [20:57]
benkay a++ rating would read again [20:57]
BCB benkay, hmmm... another bitcoin scam? [20:57]
mircea_popescu [20:57]
kakobrekla nubbins` this thing you linked earlier from the log, its in the bash, this one precisely: [20:57]
kakobrekla BCB [20:58]
benkay BCB: save your cash and assume anything on Havelock is a scam. [20:58]
mircea_popescu few better ways to establish credibility than to awkwardly cut away the watermark on some unrelated design [20:58]
nubbins` kakobrekla, one of my finer moments [20:58]
benkay ;;later tell JorgePasada hey lookie you're famous now: [20:58]
gribble The operation succeeded. [20:58]
BCB benkay, so neo and bee is as scammy as havelock? [20:59]
kakobrekla no, the other way around i think [20:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] [PAID] 1.41654500 BTC to 21`793 shares, 6500 satoshi per share [20:59]
BCB havelock is as scammy os neo and bee [20:59]
nubbins` nah man, HIF is totally gonna pay dividends like they promised [20:59]
benkay BCB: impossible to differentiate incompetence and malice from this dimension [20:59]
benkay hey youse guise today i learned bitcoin doesn't have the discipline to be a monopoly [21:00]
nubbins` they're totally not an order of magnitude short on volume-based trading fees either [21:00]
benkay [21:00]
ozbot Attack of the killer rentiers | FT Alphaville [21:00]
BCB benkay, tuur demeester was a big proponent of neo and bee [21:00]
benkay BCB: so? [21:00]
nubbins` turd meister? [21:00]
benkay shh nubbins` where are your manners [21:00]
nubbins` A+++++ would trust based on name [21:00]
BCB benkay, I thought he was one of the good guys ( like mircea popescu ) [21:00]
benkay what is good? [21:01]
kakobrekla good is bad. [21:01]
BCB benkay, does his due dilligence. [21:01]
MykelSIlver You can't even trust Satoshi [21:01]
BCB everyone just reads press releases like they are FACT [21:01]
benkay inability to distinguish between people who say things that sound nice to your ears and people who routinely make good calls is the source of a lot of wasted BTC. [21:01]
BCB coindesk is the worst thing to come along in bitcoin land [21:01]
mircea_popescu BCB there's a lengthy history of dubious ventures enlisting otherwise good guys who are a little bit naive and a little bit in over their head. [21:01]
mircea_popescu labcoin did it, activemining did it, pirate definitely did it. [21:02]
benkay BCB: i've yet to read a thing from him that was particularly useful. granted, i've not dug in depth. [21:02]
kakobrekla labcoin was not a naive thing [21:02]
BCB benkay, I don't read him all all but he is all over the place [21:02]
kakobrekla nor was pirate [21:02]
mircea_popescu people are slow to learn this lesson, especially because otherwise good guys with a diploma imagine retarded shit a la "everyone is entitled to their own opinion" and eschew sucking their cocks. [21:02]
kakobrekla active i dunno. [21:02]
benkay BCB: all over where? i'm pretty well read and he doesn't even register on my feeds. [21:02]
BCB mircea_popescu, what about jon matonis [21:02]
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mircea_popescu there's this philosophy of "do everything by yourself" prevalent in the us, and it is getting people in trouble in bitcoin space something fierce. [21:02]
kakobrekla what about roger ver [21:03]
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BCB kakobrekla, criminal [21:03]
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mircea_popescu BCB im not about to discuss individuals unless i have something specific to say. [21:03]
BCB mircea_popescu, shocking. I guess I should MOP PR [21:03]
BCB *ask [21:03]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla i dunno, re pirate say, i believe people like copumpkin were moreover clueless and well meaning in their dysfunctional, social-justice-y sort of way [21:04]
kakobrekla you meant MOB PR? [21:04]
mircea_popescu rather than outright criminal. [21:04]
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mircea_popescu BCB she's worse in that respect. by the time she's calling out your name you're going down. [21:04]
BCB mircea_popescu, the pirate victims were just greedy [21:05]
BCB blinded by greed [21:05]
benkay AccountantPierre: this is what you want to be writing [21:05]
BCB pigs get fatter hogs get slaughtered [21:05]
mircea_popescu benkay what is with you and ft blogs. they're unreadable. [21:05]
the20year2 benkay: which market? [21:05]
benkay the20year2: are you serious? [21:06]
the20year2 i just ctrl+f your sentence and didn't read much previous from there [21:06]
benkay The market [21:06]
benkay i don't-- [21:06]
BCB mircea_popescu, what about the bitcoin foundation [21:06]
benkay uuaghuaghuaa [21:07]
benkay mircea_popescu: must be my broken american brainz [21:07]
benkay (Diablo-D3: graiiinz) [21:07]
BCB has anyone read the new o'reiley bitcoin book? [21:07]
Diablo-D3 benkay: hee [21:08]
mircea_popescu BCB teh scamdation has collected btc donations, failed to release reports and then collected more btc "donations" from various scams it vouched for. [21:08]
kakobrekla BCB the questions you are asking re people and stuff have mostly been talked about. search around the logs and blogs, this is not a spoonfeeding party [21:08]
mircea_popescu pretty much the best way to ensure you won't get anywhere in bitcoin is to involve yourself with the bitcoin foundation. [21:08]
BCB kakobrekla, I'm bored. Sorry [21:08]
mircea_popescu it's roughly speaking the nambla of this space. [21:09]
kakobrekla North American Man/Boy Love Association ? [21:09]
mircea_popescu the same [21:09]
BCB kakobrekla, I'm writing a bash implementation of a blockchain parser and I needed to take a break [21:09]
AccountantPierre benkay: "private QE" is as played out as "monetization". Unsurprisingly I prefer my own analytical framework: [21:09]
BCB AccountantPierre, I thought you guys were closing down the misescircle [21:10]
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TestingUnoDosTre ;;ticker [21:10]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 456.55, Best ask: 457.97, Bid-ask spread: 1.42000, Last trade: 457.97, 24 hour volume: 29003.93489152, 24 hour low: 436.0, 24 hour high: 500.0, 24 hour vwap: 463.413765818 [21:10]
AccountantPierre Not closing down, but transitioning bitcoin stuff to SNI [21:10]
BCB ahh [21:10]
benkay AccountantPierre: you said synergistically [21:10]
benkay my eyes are bleeding [21:11]
AccountantPierre benkay: you're welcome [21:11]
benkay AccountantPierre: fiduciary media aren't impossible, just nigh impossible [21:12]
BCB mircea_popescu, BTW i'm an excellent monopoly player [21:12]
benkay with a TB blockchain, they may become necessary. [21:12]
mircea_popescu BCB it's a trivial game really. [21:13]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 57 @ 0.007 = 0.399 BTC [-] [21:13]
novusordo it was fun to play for BTC a year or so back [21:14]
novusordo some OTCers made a channel for it, don't remember what it was [21:14]
AccountantPierre benkay: that quickly gets into a semantic debate of what fiduciary media is. I don't view off-blockchain transactions with coinbase-bux to be fiduciary media. You'd have to create something I can send to a bitcoin address and the recipient thinks its bitcoins. Nigh impossible indeed [21:14]
mircea_popescu i vaguely recall the monopoly btc thing [21:15]
benkay that's a neat position on fidiuciary media. [21:15]
the20year2 Are you an accountant? [21:15]
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novusordo mircea_popescu: i remember playing it with aethero and lucidlepidoptera, lol [21:16]
mircea_popescu o yeah, check this out, a match made in heaven. [21:16]
mircea_popescu AccountantPierre what'd you need to be paid to audit the20year2's rental properties corp ? [21:16]
mircea_popescu novusordo are those two still together ? [21:16]
novusordo not a clue [21:17]
mircea_popescu stormy was pretty hot. aethero was... pretty strange. [21:17]
AccountantPierre a real audit or just some specific due diligence procedures? [21:17]
mircea_popescu a real audit. [21:17]
mircea_popescu certify his book. [21:17]
AccountantPierre estimated amount of assets? visiting properties could get expensive, where are they? [21:17]
nubbins` aethero was just mentioned in -otc [21:17]
mircea_popescu all in ohio. [21:17]
nubbins` regarding ops that went bad [21:17]
the20year2 ~$500k of assets including bitcoin [21:17]
the20year2 6 properties, central Ohio , although i don't know if physical inspection would be absolutely needed when you could just get deed copies [21:18]
mircea_popescu AccountantPierre afaik it's not customary to do a ground inspection if torrens title is available neh ? [21:18]
mircea_popescu o wait, the us doesn't use torrens [21:18]
the20year2 We file deeds at the county auditor [21:19]
* mircea_popescu is pretty well clueless as to real estate auditing procedures adequate for central ohio [21:19]
AccountantPierre depends on risk assessment at beginning of audit [21:19]
the20year2 I'm not aware of any state that uses torrens, though canada I believe does [21:19]
the20year2 What kind of risk assessment? [21:19]
mircea_popescu the20year2 well if the auditor suspects fraud or under some court mandates etc. [21:20]
AccountantPierre risk of material misstatement of the financials. $25k for a one man cpa shop. [21:20]
the20year2 Ouch [21:21]
mircea_popescu AccountantPierre for my own repository of factoids, what's the insurance premium hike look like after a forfeit for material misstatement ? [21:21]
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AccountantPierre Insurance for the CPA firm or for the audit client? Either way, no clue, never dealt with that kind of insurance [21:22]
mircea_popescu the insurane firm [21:22]
the20year2 I wasn't aware they sold insurance to CPAs [21:22]
mircea_popescu uh, you're not insured ?! [21:22]
mircea_popescu whoa ?! [21:22]
the20year2 I'm not a CPA [21:22]
AccountantPierre there are thousands of people at my firm, division of labor, someone else takes care of that [21:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.0009444 = 16.1492 BTC [+] {2} [21:22]
AccountantPierre "my firm" as in "my employer" [21:23]
mircea_popescu aha. [21:23]
BCB mircea_popescu, I could reccomend a cpa for around 10K for a full audit [21:23]
mircea_popescu kinda besides the point now isn't it. [21:23]
the20year2 When we were looking for book audits for a TSX listing possibility they ran $15k/yr [21:24]
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the20year2 Of course $25k might not be terribly bad if you're sending a guy to Ohio to physically visit properties and review deed copies [21:25]
benkay kinda one of those things you expect a REIT to be able to afford. [21:25]
BCB novusordo, what ever happened to aethero, anyone know? [21:25]
the20year2 Not for one with only 6 properties and less than $500k of properties, that's 5% a year in just audits [21:25]
BCB mircea_popescu, hire a certified CPA in ohio [21:25]
the20year2 Would make alot more sense to just hire a 3rd party agent or title company to do the investigation, hire a title search on all the properties, will run you $75/ea [21:26]
AccountantPierre Yeah, hire a local guy, not a big 4 firm based out of nyc [21:26]
benkay doesn't really sound like a REIT at that scale. more like a hodgepodge. [21:26]
the20year2 $150-$200 for lawyer review [21:26]
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mircea_popescu BCB he tried to start some sort of business, listed it on btct if memory serves, and well... just like all the others. [21:28]
BCB mircea_popescu, he left a lot of guys on otc and btcjam holding the bag as well [21:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.05699999 = 0.342 BTC [+] [21:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 40 @ 0.00714999 = 0.286 BTC [+] {2} [21:29]
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mircea_popescu yeah i guess this match wasn't made in heaven in any sense. a well :p [21:29]
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the20year2 We were on BF when they closed up [21:31]
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mircea_popescu moiety they are on to you nao my fine scottish friend. [21:43]
the20year2 anyone understand what's going on with neobee? [21:46]
benkay there are two facts. [21:49]
moiety mircea_popescu: lolol holy fuck lol i hope mpoe-pr isnt offended. i would like to reply, they should go here [21:50]
Duffer1 must be odd to be called a scammer by minerpart [21:50]
benkay [21:51]
ozbot FUCK3000 [21:52]
andyfletcher It is all getting more than a bit personal on bitcointalk [21:55]
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mircea_popescu moiety in mpoe-pr's own words, "incredible how the ciucius of the world manage to sound exactly alike. no matter their nationalities and motha tongues." [22:02]
mircea_popescu in other news, reddit does feelings : no matter their nationalities and motha tongues [22:04]
mircea_popescu oops [22:04]
mircea_popescu [22:04]
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novusordo BCB: no idea, I never got anything back from the small amount I put into his business that never got off the ground [22:05]
novusordo haven't heard anything from/about him since that ship sunk [22:05]
mircea_popescu benkay seems like a happy couple. [22:07]
benkay rly? i see a few different both boys and girls [22:09]
benkay just contri-putin [22:09]
mircea_popescu [22:11]
ozbot dpaste: #1764871 [22:11]
mircea_popescu meanwhile the ever vigilant forum is wiping out the neobee discussion [22:11]
mircea_popescu what was the link to that copy ? [22:11]
moiety i hadn't read that page, her comment about all true scotsmen make a lot more sense now mircea_popescu lol can you pass on my apologies [22:12]
benkay mircea_popescu: why are you subjecting us to forum :( [22:12]
kakobrekla >A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. [22:14]
kakobrekla oh yeah, i got a huge pile of those too [22:14]
ThickAsThieves that's some heavt moderation [22:15]
ThickAsThieves heavy* [22:15]
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ThickAsThieves i saw, i think it was, extrader saying he knew some way to get a "fudster" moderated [22:15]
ThickAsThieves looks like he is on th ehunt [22:15]
mircea_popescu [22:17]
mircea_popescu better bitcointalk, basically. [22:17]
ozbot [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings | Page 217 | [22:17]
tg2 Whoa whoa hold the phone [22:20]
tg2 there's drama? On the internet? [22:20]
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tg2 [22:23]
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benkay stahp [22:25]
benkay ;;ticker [22:25]
benkay .bait [22:25]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 459.46, Best ask: 461.35, Bid-ask spread: 1.89000, Last trade: 461.35, 24 hour volume: 29874.63703293, 24 hour low: 436.0, 24 hour high: 500.0, 24 hour vwap: 463.247782601 [22:25]
ozbot [22:25]
benkay holy smokes 450? [22:25]
mircea_popescu is that a bvad thing ? [22:25]
benkay psh yeah doncha know bitcoins only useful when it goes up in value [22:26]
benkay aw man [22:26]
benkay in the space of 1 week i have forgotten everything about the conformal btc libs [22:26]
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mircea_popescu hahaha check out : mpoe-pr is the only one with an avatar. [22:44]
BCB mircea_popescu, did you fund [22:45]
mircea_popescu nope. [22:46]
mircea_popescu the owner linked it here a while bakc [22:46]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] [PAID] 0.19871000 BTC to 320`500 shares, 62 satoshi per share [22:59]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06353 = 0.6353 BTC [-] [23:02]
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steven-__ andreas antonopoulos doing his thing [23:15]
ozbot Is Bitcoin a flash in the pan? - - YouTube [23:15]
steven-__ couldn't help checking out a few of the talks even after reading benkays post [23:15]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-] [23:15]
mircea_popescu what, STILL ? [23:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-] [23:16]
mircea_popescu 2011 called, it wants its rethorical questions back please. [23:17]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-] [23:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0556 = 0.1112 BTC [-] {2} [23:19]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 46 @ 0.0062174 = 0.286 BTC [-] {3} [23:26]
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benkay << surely this has happened before [23:45]
ozbot Rwanda: 20 years later [23:45]
benkay obviously a lot of that is NGO pearl clutching for funds. [23:46]
mircea_popescu ^ [23:47]
cazalla steven-__: that guy makes me cringe [23:47]
benkay "Survivors groups worry that 20 years after the genocide, international funding will dry up completely" [23:47]
benkay le sigh [23:47]
the20year2 how many funds were made available for the holomodor? [23:50]
mircea_popescu actually people did try to donate [23:51]
mircea_popescu many us jewish people with fresh memories, plenty of others [23:51]
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nubbins` pankkake: [23:54]
pankkake thanks [23:55]
pankkake I do know him, which is bothering me [23:55]
pankkake :( [23:55]
nubbins` never underestimate the tenacity of butthurt internet people [23:55]
Duffer1 i wrote him a haiku [23:55]
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Duffer1 that dotcoin scammer talks like alberto armandi [23:56]
pankkake he told me in PM ps: i see you speak german its called " Kopffick " thats what happen to you now [23:57]
pankkake I don't speak german and google doesn't help me [23:57]
benkay on an entirely different topic, what are good "me@mydomain" emails? [23:57]
benkay not horrendously unprofessional [23:57]
benkay not stupidly web2.0 [23:58]
pankkake firstname@lastname ? [23:58]
benkay eg "me@" [23:58]
pankkake me@firstnamelastname [23:58]
benkay dorp [23:58]
pankkake or something related to what you do? say you're a plumper name joe, me@joeplumber [23:59]
nubbins` [23:59]
benkay holy shit is available [23:59]
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