Forum logs for 31 Mar 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
nubbins` BETTER HURRY [00:00]
benkay first time since i got on the internet [00:00]
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pankkake there are bots auto-registering names [00:00]
pankkake just hope they don't crawl [00:00]
benkay no i have the domain, that's fine. [00:00]
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benkay i'm just startled to the sushi joint's moved on from the domain in question [00:01]
pankkake I maintain links to band websites, they're replaced by spam very quickly after expiration [00:01]
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artifexd benkay Do you see a problem with emails? [00:11]
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mircea_popescu "Interesting, Romain Bignon is a Python dev. Pankkake had some python work done for MP" [00:14]
mircea_popescu clearly. [00:14]
nubbins` interestingly, these idiots aren't working for scotland yard [00:16]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.62504019 = 3.1252 BTC [+] {3} [00:24]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05699884 = 0.114 BTC [+] [00:24]
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mircea_popescu well, derpland yard. just as good. [00:28]
nubbins` "perhaps we should pursue legal action" [00:28]
nubbins` yes. perhaps. [00:29]
mircea_popescu haha, they are behind 7 lawyers. [00:29]
nubbins` !! [00:29]
mircea_popescu "Unless you prove otherwise I think it is fair and right that me and dotcoin both see that quite a bit of evidence points to you being Romain Bignon." [00:29]
mircea_popescu logically. [00:29]
nubbins` y'know, prove a negative [00:29]
mircea_popescu unless you bring me a praline i shall eat your cake. [00:29]
mircea_popescu pankkake anyway, dun freak out. buncha forum derps. [00:30]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.64999977 BTC [+] [00:31]
pankkake the real issue is that it's not me they're stalking [00:31]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.064 = 0.256 BTC [+] [00:31]
pankkake I'm pretty used to threats [00:31]
mircea_popescu benkay what's wrong with initial-name@corp ? [00:31]
mircea_popescu pankkake so contact the person, offer to appear as witness, they can prolly get teh gendarmerie involved [00:32]
nubbins` honestly the oddest thing about this whole "everyone is mp" thing is that there's a much, much simpler explanation, and people just refuse to believe. seriously, as if you having a hundred sock accounts, each with a distinct writing style, is a more plausible explanation than you paying someone to post on the forums [00:32]
pankkake he's a friend [00:32]
benkay artifexd: me@whatever doesn't really convey the right image [00:32]
mircea_popescu nubbins` why would i pay people to pretend they're not speaking for me ? [00:32]
pankkake and I don't want friends to be bothered [00:33]
benkay mircea_popescu: i've yet to settle on a thing. canvassing people who've seen things, you see. [00:33]
pankkake of course he's also used to threats :D [00:33]
artifexd What image do you want to convey? [00:33]
nubbins` why would people think pankkake is you? [00:33]
benkay artifexd: excellent question. [00:33]
nubbins` why would anybody anything :D it boggles the mind [00:33]
mircea_popescu im kinda basking in the glory of being... mp. da fuck do i care, teh forum is going to dox the hell out of "mircea popescu is really... this romanian guy... by the name... mircea popescu" [00:33]
nubbins` ^ [00:34]
nubbins` heh [00:34]
nubbins` IMPOSSIBRU [00:34]
nubbins` next you'll tell me satoshi nakam... wait. [00:34]
mircea_popescu those are the words that must never be spoken nubbins` [00:34]
nubbins` oh fuck did i let the cat out of the bag? [00:34]
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nubbins` kakobrekla can you edit the logs plz [00:35]
nubbins` and thus a new conspiracy is born [00:35]
mircea_popescu in my forum reports, "ragehead scammer derping all over pankakke" [00:36]
mircea_popescu right next to [00:36]
mircea_popescu "some noob made an anti-davout hate thread" [00:36]
mircea_popescu what is it with you french people. [00:36]
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pankkake davout has the best haters right now: [00:37]
kakobrekla >French members are tired. [00:37]
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kakobrekla zomg. endoftheworld.swf [00:37]
kakobrekla literally. [00:37]
pankkake you might have trouble reading his French, as he has terrible spelling [00:37]
kakobrekla with quotes. [00:37]
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mircea_popescu o actu short for actuel or w/e. clever. [00:38]
kakobrekla i dunno, someone write to him to have a nap. [00:38]
davout "actu" is "news" [00:38]
mircea_popescu "David Francois est née le 29 Mai 1983, âgé donc de 30 ans" why teh fag glasses davout ?! [00:38]
mircea_popescu "Il est née à Leiden au Pays-Bas." [00:38]
mircea_popescu fascinating. [00:39]
davout n'est-ce pas [00:39]
pankkake so davout used to be a girl [00:39]
nubbins` heh [00:39]
nubbins` more like davPOUT, amirite? [00:39]
mircea_popescu ahahaha [00:39]
mircea_popescu davpoutine [00:40]
mircea_popescu "Je soupçonne un montage fiscal permettant une fraude massive ." [00:40]
davout mircea_popescu: thanks, didn't know about the english thread [00:40]
mircea_popescu well it's good that they soup cony or whatever. [00:40]
nubbins` when i lived in ottawa, it was not uncommon for clueless anglos to approach a poutine stand and loudly declare JE VOUDRAIS UNE POUTAIN [00:41]
pankkake hahaha [00:41]
mircea_popescu << check out pankkake trying to get forum noobs to pay for his nosejob :D [00:41]
ozbot ActiveMining thread mods are actively trying to scam people [00:41]
nubbins` quqbecois insert the tiniest hint of an "s" after the "t" in poutine [00:42]
nubbins` poutseen [00:42]
pankkake I have been told I have a beautiful nose [00:42]
pankkake and my nose job was an inside job [00:42]
mircea_popescu hahaha [00:42]
tg2 Somebody say poutine? [00:42]
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pankkake it's call turbinoplastie [00:42]
pankkake TURBINES [00:42]
mircea_popescu rhinoturbinoplasty [00:43]
nubbins` turbhinoplasty [00:43]
mircea_popescu [00:43]
nubbins` tg2 many times [00:43]
mircea_popescu lalala [00:43]
pankkake last thing I did was my teeth getting scrubbed for two hours straight. it's fun [00:43]
mircea_popescu i guess it's time for some rating [00:44]
pankkake I go back this week [00:44]
mircea_popescu ;;rated kumala [00:44]
gribble You have not yet rated user kumala [00:44]
mircea_popescu ;;gpg eauth [00:44]
gribble (gpg eauth ) -- Initiate authentication for user . You must have registered a GPG key with the bot for this to work. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes. [00:44]
nubbins` one evening at a poutine stand in downtown ottawa, guy in front of me waits in line for 2-3 minutes and orders a bucket of water when his turn comes. worker says "a bucket of water? why?" [00:44]
mircea_popescu ;;gpg eauth mircea_popescu [00:44]
gribble Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from [00:44]
nubbins` guy responds "your garbage can is on fire" [00:44]
benkay lol canada [00:44]
nubbins` right? [00:44]
mircea_popescu ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:8668ebe8d03a1f2c32d4fc1acd38cf1a08ea8c443c55528ea0165ba4 [00:44]
gribble You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452 [00:44]
nubbins` can't just bust into the front of the line :D [00:44]
benkay you people. [00:45]
mircea_popescu ;;rate kumala -10 consumate scammer. vircurex, cryptostocks, an entire stack. [00:45]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user kumala has been recorded. [00:45]
nubbins` i think it's "consummate" [00:45]
mircea_popescu ;;rate kumala -10 consummate scammer. vircurex, cryptostocks, an entire stack. [00:45]
mircea_popescu ty. [00:45]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating for user kumala has changed from -10 to -10. [00:45]
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mircea_popescu ;;rate hanbot 5 The forum loves her a lot. [00:46]
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pankkake nice nickname [00:47]
mircea_popescu "When people try to launch start-up, like chronocoin in france, or beegcoin, or others, immediately, he try to attack website, he writes aggresive messages and delete topic." [00:48]
mircea_popescu for shame. [00:48]
davout many delete. such shame. wow [00:49]
tg2 That English it's for shame [00:49]
pankkake sad part is, their French isn't any better [00:49]
mircea_popescu down with this oppression from leiden! people wish to be free and launch assets! [00:50]
nubbins` "nubbins you may be asked or told to hand over this info by dotcoins lawyer, I would suggest you do that sooner rather than later." [00:50]
nubbins` my fucking SIDES [00:50]
nubbins` somebody's paying for side surgery [00:50]
nubbins` and it ain't me [00:50]
mircea_popescu i ain't payin for your sides [00:50]
mircea_popescu they were broken when you got here [00:50]
nubbins` hmm, is that why they're always aching? [00:50]
mircea_popescu you're a sideist [00:50]
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nubbins` better that than a frontist :D [00:51]
pankkake "NotLambchop is a Belize-registered virtual identity law firm wholly owned by TheMiracle, which represents itself and its profits. We (they) are the legal council representing pankkake et al. and others too" :D [00:51]
davout nubbins`: markus weiler, he is the archetypal village idiot [00:51]
tg2 Daveout du you even sock bro [00:51]
nubbins` ;;google frontist [00:51]
gribble Frontist Party - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; AWL school: Economism and frontist delusions - Communist Party of ...: ; Transverzala SREMSKI FRONT ist.deo.flv - YouTube: [00:51]
tg2 learn2sock [00:51]
mircea_popescu that guy's from something awful, amusingly enough. [00:51]
davout tg2: wut [00:51]
mircea_popescu davout he's just trying to be part of the cool kids, dun fret. [00:52]
nubbins` heh [00:52]
nubbins` i like the hint of empty threat [00:52]
davout tg2: may i see your haters please? [00:52]
nubbins` you may be asked... or TOLD [00:52]
mircea_popescu "Tell you what - I'm at the UKDCA meeting in London on Monday - anyone is welcome to come and accuse me of whatever to my face, when I can likewise see your face and we can communicate like humans." [00:52]
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mircea_popescu someone should go and moon him. [00:52]
tg2 I kindly direct you to benkay [00:53]
mircea_popescu "If you continue to post in the thread you will be reported to theymos who could take further action. You have already been asked to stop posting." [00:54]
tg2 Don't worry about getting ousted from the French section, the French have historically demonstrated difficulty in that field. [00:54]
mircea_popescu this is like usagi level of internet threatening [00:54]
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benkay don't forget to burp the thermos [00:55]
mircea_popescu "My father emotionally, physically and sexually abused me. I moved out at the age of seventeen, hoping to escape all the pain, only to find out that it would follow me. My psyche and boundaries were very damaged and I did not realize that because of my upbringing and appearance I attracted sexual predators. [00:55]
mircea_popescu After marrying at age twenty-one, I discovered my husband was a porn addict. So great was his sexual perversity and infidelity that I was at a loss to know what to do to save my marriage. Finally, after five years of marriage, I sought counseling from my church pastor." [00:55]
tg2 Crisse que les français sont des bébés lala [00:56]
mircea_popescu ^upcoming ipo. [00:56]
nubbins` would buy [00:56]
benkay now iploling feelings [00:56]
tg2 "Mon thread d'innocent s'est fait effacer, qq" [00:56]
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mircea_popescu twist : "I had no idea that this man had a history of being a sexual predator. He had been moved from church to church after each report of sexual abuse but no other action was taken, nor was the new congregation warned. After several counseling sessions he gained my trust." [00:57]
tg2 Rape magnet [00:57]
tg2 There's an app for that [00:58]
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benkay candy crush 'character's on nyse for ipo? [01:05]
benkay cooooooool. [01:05]
benkay [01:05]
the20year2 shock, surprise [01:05]
mircea_popescu yeah. in some ways it's looking like 1929 [01:06]
benkay "soup lines" -> "soup mobs" [01:07]
the20year2 tech may be in a bubble? No way [01:07]
the20year2 those are lies [01:07]
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davout ;;eauth davout [01:08]
gribble Request successful for user davout, hostmask davout!~davout@unaffiliated/davout. Get your encrypted OTP from [01:08]
mircea_popescu and by tech we mean, of course... "hey ma, i made a website" [01:08]
mircea_popescu slash iphone app [01:08]
benkay this is tech specific and not endemic to fiat-denominated stocks? [01:09]
nubbins` slash i need money for my idea [01:09]
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davout ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:e0bfc984b8a7ad54d1c869b166c2bf660e57f8598a81d67ec713754c [01:09]
gribble You are now authenticated for user davout with key 13288EAB01713428 [01:09]
davout ;;rated ThomasV [01:09]
gribble You have not yet rated user ThomasV [01:09]
davout ;;rate ThomasV 3 electrum [01:10]
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jurov ThomasV is etotheipi? [01:10]
pankkake etotheipi is Armory [01:11]
jurov ohhhh sry [01:11]
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nubbins` i let four pounds of ground pork spoil :( [01:15]
the20year2 you terrible human [01:17]
the20year2 that could have fed a village [01:17]
nubbins` i actually feel pretty bad about it [01:17]
nubbins` i dislike wasting food [01:17]
deadweasel beef abuse [01:18]
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deadweasel as if it could be abused anymore [01:18]
nubbins` pork abuse [01:18]
deadweasel oh man, the brain is replacing words again. [01:18]
mircea_popescu nubbins` you don't have any cold left in canada ? [01:20]
nubbins` i ground it and then left it in the fridge for like 5 days [01:20]
mircea_popescu way i hear it works in these northern places, people just fit a box to their windowsill [01:20]
Namworld nanotube Neil nick1234abcd NormDePloome novusordo nubbins` [01:20]
nubbins` stupid :( [01:20]
mircea_popescu nubbins` heh even 2 days is wrong. [01:20]
nubbins` i know D: [01:21]
nubbins` "i should freeze that" (3 days pass) [01:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12888 @ 0.00094035 = 12.1192 BTC [-] {2} [01:21]
nubbins` [01:22]
ozbot Medical marijuana changes must meet patient needs [01:22]
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nubbins` so patients who possess marijuana from the old program have been given a reprieve, and don't have to throw their old weed in the garbage just yet [01:22]
mircea_popescu they can threow it in the bong instead. [01:23]
nubbins` +1 [01:23]
nubbins` or the vaporizer! combustion is for rubes [01:23]
nubbins` [01:24]
ozbot Medical marijuana users face rising price dilemma April 1 - British Columbia - CBC News [01:24]
nubbins` ^ better source [01:24]
benkay that's like pulling just the booze out of a fine wine, nubbins`, [01:24]
nubbins` nahhh [01:25]
nubbins` vaporizing releases much more detectible flavor compounds [01:25]
nubbins` you light it on fire, all you taste is char [01:25]
benkay same with a steak! [01:25]
benkay for some value of same. [01:25]
nubbins` same with coffee! [01:25]
benkay a little burninating's fine. [01:26]
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mircea_popescu this is pretty interesting : [01:27]
mircea_popescu guy with 600 followers and already following 2001 people somehow gets 800 retweets [01:27]
nubbins` "Alison Myrden of Burlington, Ont., says it costs just pennies for her designated grower to produce the more than 100 grams of marijuana she needs each day to relieve symptoms of multiple sclerosis and trigeminal neuralgia, a disorder of the nervous system that causes especially intense discomfort." [01:27]
mircea_popescu yet i've never heard of the post. [01:27]
nubbins` she ingests ONE HUNDRED GRAMS of marijuana. [01:27]
nubbins` A DAY. [01:28]
mircea_popescu could we be at the point where people actually buy fake/spam retweets to try and prop themselves into the conversation ? [01:28]
nubbins` that's a gram every ten minutes [01:28]
mircea_popescu nubbins` well if she eats it... [01:28]
nubbins` even worse [01:28]
nubbins` eating 100g in a day? you might as well induce a coma [01:29]
nubbins` seriously, get a daily smoker to eat two grams and they'll spend the next ten hours seriously reconsidering their choice [01:29]
nubbins` i can only hope she makes a tincture or something [01:29]
mircea_popescu so she's selling it you're thinking ? [01:29]
peterl maybe she means she needs a few pennies for 100 milligrams? [01:30]
peterl units, how do they work? [01:30]
jurov don't they measure hash in libraries of congress or sth? [01:30]
mircea_popescu yeah i doubt very much it costs a quarter per pound to make weed. [01:31]
mircea_popescu peterl prolly has it. [01:31]
nubbins` no, i don't think she's selling, it'd be too brazen. she wouldn't agree to be interviewed [01:33]
nubbins` no doubt she boils it up to make tea or some such [01:33]
nubbins` i just can't comprehend what wasteful method of preparation causes this poor woman to have to go through over a quarter pound every day of her life [01:34]
peterl maybe she just burns it as incense instead of smoking it? [01:34]
nubbins` i honestly have no idea [01:35]
nubbins` maybe her MS really is just that intense [01:35]
nubbins` i've seen people with MS who seize so bad that they can't even communicate [01:35]
jurov i think she bathes in it [01:35]
nubbins` few puffs and they can function normally [01:35]
nubbins` it's actually fucked [01:35]
mircea_popescu maybe she feeds it to her cats and then rubs them ? [01:36]
nubbins` heh. [01:36]
nubbins` animal abuse! [01:36]
jurov civet coffee comes to mind [01:36]
jurov perish the thought [01:36]
nubbins` civet coffee doesn't even taste particularly good [01:38]
nubbins` i've seen pictures of freshly-shat civet coffee covered in intestinal worms [01:39]
nubbins` protip: coffee isn't magic, you're not guaranteed a good cup just because it came from location X or was processed via method Y [01:39]
nubbins` protip: you can taste the best coffees in the world whenever you want, for $5-15 per pound [01:40]
nubbins` anyway [01:40]
nubbins` [01:40]
ozbot Topless artist smashes ceramic breasts - CBC News Vancouver at 6 - CBC Player [01:40]
Diablo-D3 ... is the name of my coldplay cover band [01:40]
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Mats_cd03 gross [01:45]
Mats_cd03 i dont need bald dudes in the same frame as the boobies [01:46]
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nubbins` [01:52]
ozbot Threats to extort and blackmail BCT companies by the user 'pankkake' [01:52]
nubbins` such negative language [01:52]
nubbins` calling people spastics and retards ;( [01:52]
pankkake "spastic" c'est bien une insulte de rosbif [01:52]
Duffer1 the level of stupid in that thread is.. i can't even find an adequate adjective.. [01:53]
nubbins` mmhmm [01:53]
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nubbins` back-to-back freakout posts [01:53]
nubbins` "here's some more shit i read on the internet, ctrl-v" [01:53]
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nubbins` guy is literally falling apart at the seams [01:54]
nubbins` "And here is the body that will no doubt be in contact with you soon Pankkake" [01:54]
pankkake sounds dirty [01:54]
nubbins` yup [01:54]
Duffer1 you woud be too if you held a large stake in actm [01:54]
nubbins` plainly obvious at this point that the guy isn't going to be contacting anyone. ever. [01:54]
nubbins` if he was going to, he'd do it, rather than flapping his gums trying to scare a confession out of you [01:55]
pankkake well since he is talking about antitrust, yes - doesn't need to be a lawyer to see how offtopic it is [01:55]
pankkake but yes, typical harassment [01:55]
pankkake as long as he harasses only me… I'm ok with it [01:55]
Duffer1 antitrust != defamation [01:55]
pankkake and doesn't even concern people but businesses [01:56]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.62356 = 3.1178 BTC [-] {5} [01:56]
nubbins` imagine going to any sort of authority with the claim "an anonymous frenchman is saying bad things about a company i've invested in, and he says he will shut up if you pay him 30 euros" [01:57]
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nubbins` best part: [01:58]

You are ALL going to pay for your own stupidity and greed soon.

nubbins` what does that even mean D: [01:58]
Duffer1 that was the only part of pankakke's discourse that i thought was trollish lol [01:58]
mircea_popescu rosbif = roastbeef ? [01:58]
pankkake mircea_popescu: yes. a nickname for UK people [01:59]
Duffer1 "Price: 0.005 BTC per post, i.e. 1 BTC gives you 200 posts." [01:59]
pankkake so much drama for something that netted me 0 BTC [01:59]
mircea_popescu "And yes European Antitrust Laws protect companies before things happen like that here, it is not only a scandal it shows me how unprofessional and jealous you people works, there is a lot of incompetence in the room now but not on my site." [01:59]
mircea_popescu not bad. [01:59]
mircea_popescu "I copy the whole IRC chat of you guys since 26.4.2013 i am sure there are so many interesting things inside." [02:00]
mircea_popescu imagine, reading the whole log. [02:00]
Duffer1 the first time i've ever heard reading the log could be a bad thing [02:01]
mircea_popescu well... it's the nature of the clueless to misrepresent. so he things it'd be a bad thing. [02:01]
mircea_popescu irl, either he reads it and becomes a better person or fails to read ti and well... [02:02]
mircea_popescu no damage. [02:02]
Duffer1 no change [02:02]
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mircea_popescu And here is the body that will no doubt be in contact with you soon Pankkake: [02:02]
mircea_popescu [02:02]
mircea_popescu bwahahaha jesus god. [02:02]
Duffer1 it's almost hard to watch the ActM victims lash out at those who would rescue them from drowning [02:04]
Duffer1 it's tough facing the knowledge you are the cliche [02:04]
pankkake and you can't get away from it, I stopped writing in their thread but they're still mad as hell [02:04]
Duffer1 ken slaughter won't end it so they can start to grieve properly, he keeps stringing them along [02:05]
mircea_popescu this is pretty epic tho, the neobee bag holders and the actm bag holders gathering together in one nuclear blast of sheer rage [02:06]
mircea_popescu this officially beats the "bitbet followed its faq how dares it!!11" thing [02:06]
pankkake many people in common… which is kinda strange, they still had coins, and still investemed them?! [02:06]
mircea_popescu pankkake well considering how much effort they put into "outing" imaginary shills, socks etc, [02:08]
mircea_popescu and all the nonsense about autorite de la concurrence [02:08]
mircea_popescu i would imagine they're just butthurt at what they imagine is unfair competition. ie, they were shilling for a bunch of scams, the scams went nowhere. [02:08]
pankkake and they ignored the stuff I found about ken's past get rich quick businesses :( [02:08]
mircea_popescu you must have been doing the same thing, they figure, and also for some scams (they figure, cause nothing else exists in the world) [02:08]
mircea_popescu consequently, you... um... you took their jerbs [02:09]
mircea_popescu so no, they never invested anything. they had hopes of being paid by the scammors. which they're not getting. [02:09]
Duffer1 i think stuart is a genuine bagholder, i think minerpart is one of the slaughter family, i think that coindesk guy is a scammer [02:09]
mircea_popescu you may be right. [02:10]
CheckDavid I don't understand scamming [02:10]
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CheckDavid Such a waste of talent [02:10]
CheckDavid Or time [02:10]
CheckDavid In case of talentless scammers [02:11]
mircea_popescu CheckDavid people that have a problem with authority usually end up toiling on their own. [02:11]
mircea_popescu there's some discussion of the scammer as a tragic figure in the logs but i'm kinda too lazy to hunt for it. [02:11]
CheckDavid I see. As in a profile? [02:11]
CheckDavid You were profiling the a average scammer? [02:12]
mircea_popescu sort-of [02:12]
mircea_popescu pankkake what i don't understand of all this is... why do you pm with these dorks ? [02:12]
pankkake they PM me [02:12]
mircea_popescu even so. [02:12]
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pankkake I finally stopped caring and they suck me back in :( [02:13]
mircea_popescu nubbins` why is your forum avatar so angry ? [02:13]
pankkake fuck that shit! [02:13]
Duffer1 [02:13]
ozbot Threats to extort and blackmail BCT companies by the user 'pankkake' [02:13]
Duffer1 lmao [02:13]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.063 = 0.189 BTC [-] {2} [02:13]
mircea_popescu davout wait wait WAIT! they actually used a pic of gainsbourg as part of doxxing one of you two ?! [02:14]
pankkake no [02:15]
mircea_popescu aww pity. [02:15]
mircea_popescu something like this'd kick ass. [02:15]
pankkake they didn't even link the openbsd poster with you [02:16]
mircea_popescu especially if it were someone obscenely famous, dali, warhol... [02:16]
mircea_popescu we could have a super secret super club, like the mile high club, except more nerdy. "people who have been made famous by misdoxxing" [02:16]
CryptX !ticker h peta [02:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK:PETA] 1D: 0.06050000 / 0.06346524 / 0.06994775 (254 shares, 16.12017208 BTC), 7D: 0.05950000 / 0.06851882 / 0.07499085 (2012 shares, 137.85986461 BTC), 30D: 0.05950000 / 0.07277824 / 0.11379998 (7599 shares, 553.04185941 BTC) [02:17]
mircea_popescu turbo_ac100 by the way, this reminds me, what happened wit the firefox bitbet plugin ? [02:18]
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mircea_popescu 21:00:33 pankkake: just hope they don't crawl [02:19]
mircea_popescu not only crawled man full downloaded by me and given to police next days! [02:19]
benkay openbsd poster? [02:19]
mircea_popescu o look. les flics gotta read 98794387593725 mp lines now. [02:20]
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benkay pankkake: poster? [02:21]
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mwashaka whats looking better, AM or PETA? [02:22]
pankkake in a posted pic… maybe it was removed (hopefully) [02:22]
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pankkake mircea_popescu: and the quote is out of context :( it was about domain bots [02:23]
mircea_popescu pankkake i expected no less. [02:23]
mircea_popescu mwashaka remind me, what's peta do ? [02:23]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 46 @ 0.00646347 = 0.2973 BTC [+] {5} [02:23]
mwashaka mining op [02:24]
mwashaka run by CryptX [02:24]
mwashaka Peta-Mine [02:24]
mircea_popescu ;;rated cryptx [02:24]
Duffer1 is there !bash for bitcointalk? [02:24]
nubbins` mircea_popescu [02:24]
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mircea_popescu now i broke gribble ;/ [02:24]
nubbins` it's because nobody's ponying up their fuckin taxes [02:25]
mircea_popescu lawl [02:25]
nubbins` granted, the game ended up being called eulora, so i guess it's moot anyway [02:25]
nubbins` man, that stuart guy is really unpleasant [02:27]
mircea_popescu mwashaka so they say they bought some bitfury chips and sorta-kinda pay out about 50% of whatever "investors" invest [02:27]
mircea_popescu that post controls. [02:27]
ozbot [BTC-TC] CryptX introduces the PETA-MINE - 18,000 CHIPS IN SEPTEMBER/UPDATE [02:27]
mircea_popescu am is dubious at this point, but at least it has an actual history. [02:28]
mwashaka ahhh that was the old mine [02:28]
mwashaka it has been redone since [02:28]
mwashaka hashing at 150TH/s now [02:28]
mwashaka have orders for a further 600 TH/s [02:28]
mwashaka it looks good [02:28]
mwashaka b [02:28]
mircea_popescu kinda besides the point. a history of not respecting contracts isn't washed away by adding more numbers. [02:29]
mwashaka but im not really in with AsicMiner, but it seems good what they are doing [02:29]
mwashaka ahh [02:29]
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mwashaka are you saying CryptX has a history of not delivering? [02:29]
nubbins` ah, i forgot about those guys [02:30]
mircea_popescu mwashaka it' [02:30]
mircea_popescu s just another one instance of the scammy forum asset. [02:30]
nubbins` [02:30]
ozbot [BTC-TC] CryptX introduces the PETA-MINE - 18,000 CHIPS IN SEPTEMBER/UPDATE [02:30]
mircea_popescu for as long as btc inflows stay net positive it'll be ok im sure. [02:30]
nubbins` heh [02:30]
mircea_popescu nubbins` shocking how that 50% thing works innit. [02:31]
nubbins` like sticking your peepee in a light socket [02:31]
mwashaka thanks both, this is a great insight [02:32]
mwashaka think i will lean towards AsicMiner until they are more transparent, as that is my current issue with them [02:32]
mircea_popescu now, as far as asicminer goes, it's been a great asset so far, however, it's not without its problems [02:32]
nubbins` !t h peta [02:32]
assbot [HAVELOCK:PETA] 1D: 0.06050000 / 0.06346524 / 0.06994775 (254 shares, 16.12017208 BTC), 7D: 0.05950000 / 0.06851882 / 0.07499085 (2012 shares, 137.85986461 BTC), 30D: 0.05950000 / 0.07274519 / 0.11379998 (7592 shares, 552.28145936 BTC) [02:32]
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mircea_popescu so do your reading etc. [02:32]
mwashaka i will do, thank you both, its much appreciated [02:33]
mwashaka mircea, are you MPOE-PR on BTT? [02:33]
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mircea_popescu no, mpoe-pr is my pr chick [02:34]
mircea_popescu it says so right in her sig you know ? [02:34]
mwashaka nope, just somthing hit me, thought for a split second you were the same person [02:34]
mwashaka shes a bitch, but she knows her shit :) [02:34]
mircea_popescu kinda the hiring criteria. [02:34]
mwashaka i like [02:34]
mircea_popescu anyway. never trust a self-moderated thread. [02:35]
nubbins` ^ [02:35]
nubbins` never trust a computer [02:35]
nubbins` [02:36]
ozbot MONSTERBATOR ~ Never Trust a Computer - YouTube [02:36]
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turbo_ac100 mircea_popescu: forgot about the plugin. [02:44]
turbo_ac100 It should look like this: [02:44]
mircea_popescu o its like a bookmarklet or w/e they're called ? [02:45]
mircea_popescu pretty cool [02:45]
turbo_ac100 see here [02:45]
pankkake OpenSearch? [02:45]
turbo_ac100 yes [02:45]
mircea_popescu you gonna dump your refling into the results ? [02:45]
turbo_ac100 not yet. good idea though [02:46]
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turbo_ac100 kakobrekla: you are developing bibet? If you want to go wild add suggestions to the search. [02:53]
turbo_ac100 reason: "This is currently only supported by a few of the largest websites. An example of a working value is:{searchTerms}" [02:54]
mircea_popescu o that's interesting [02:56]
mircea_popescu so it needs a suggestqueries subdomain and what, json output ? or ? [02:56]
turbo_ac100 doesn't say. [02:56]
turbo_ac100 response body is json [02:58]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5262 @ 0.00093908 = 4.9414 BTC [-] [03:00]
kakobrekla [03:00]
ozbot Google Autocomplete "API" | Shreyas Chand [03:00]
kakobrekla this is not aware of context [03:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.00094064 = 20.0356 BTC [+] {2} [03:02]
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mircea_popescu [03:08]
mircea_popescu funny how nobody has no connections to anything ever. [03:08]
mircea_popescu all this forum shit starts with a lot of support that on examination consists of wtf. [03:09]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00094301 = 9.2415 BTC [+] [03:13]
nubbins` ah, to be a fly on the wall [03:14]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8698 @ 0.00093905 = 8.1679 BTC [-] [03:15]
jurov oooh our next generation emerging scamchange owner dotcoin aka markus weiler got into some mudfights? [03:17]
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nubbins` yeah, apparently i've been advised to figure out who the guy's lawyer is and present myself to him [03:18]
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jurov you knew he added securities to bitcoinbourse? [03:18]
jurov another "next mpex" [03:18]
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jurov it's behind registration, so for sake of record i'll list what he trades there: [03:22]
jurov Symbol: BBS Bitcoin Bourse System Shares [03:22]
jurov Investor Info: [03:22]
jurov Symbol: TBN The Bitcoin News Shares [03:22]
jurov Investor Info: [03:22]
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jurov Symbol: BCS BitcoinCard® Shares [03:23]
jurov Investor Info: [03:23]
jurov Symbol: ___ Announcement 2 April 2014 [03:23]
jurov Investor Info: http://# [03:23]
jurov that's all so far. No public trading data advertised or even graphs shown. [03:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00093905 = 17.3724 BTC [-] [03:26]
mircea_popescu bitcoin news shares ? [03:29]
mircea_popescu how does bitcoin news generate revenue [03:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25238 @ 0.00094152 = 23.7621 BTC [+] [03:29]
mircea_popescu ;;google BitcoinCard [03:30]
gribble No matches found. [03:30]
mircea_popescu i guess nobody told 'em ® is not merely a good looking special glyph [03:30]
pankkake time to call the AntiTrust Brigade [03:31]
pankkake how does bitcoin news generate revenue => [03:32]
mircea_popescu yeah, i think bitbet made a whole btc out of advertising so far [03:33]
mircea_popescu over about a year. [03:33]
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pankkake also bitcoiners === likely to have adblock [03:34]
pankkake or lynx [03:34]
nubbins` or lawyers on speed dial [03:35]
nubbins` wait... [03:35]
mircea_popescu ha ha [03:35]
mircea_popescu i am behind 7 layers [03:36]
jurov judging from , the ___ is gonna be IPO [03:36]
mircea_popescu wait, the entire drama with pankkake and davout in the forums was simply some french dork's idea of how to launch yet another wannabe-mpex thing ? [03:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 33 @ 0.00619799 = 0.2045 BTC [-] {5} [03:37]
pankkake german incorporated in france [03:37]
jurov mircea yes [03:37]
mircea_popescu pretty sad. [03:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 132 @ 0.00616322 = 0.8135 BTC [-] {7} [03:38]
jurov it's actually meta-wannabe thing, he seems very productive [03:38]
kakobrekla well as it turns out to be i havent managed to figure out who suggested to put up the wiki [03:38]
kakobrekla but here you go [03:38]
mircea_popescu where's that nubbins` quote ? "if their business was doing something pointless they'd be doing it very well" [03:38]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 193 @ 0.0060783 = 1.1731 BTC [-] {4} [03:39]
* nubbins` gestures towards log [03:39]
kakobrekla please pm me to set up an account, must have WOT [03:39]
nubbins` ctrl-f, magazine [03:39]
mircea_popescu i cant find an "edit" button [03:39]
mircea_popescu a, i was gonna vandalize it ;/ [03:39]
nubbins` not sure what this wiki is for [03:40]
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mircea_popescu me either. [03:40]
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kakobrekla [03:40]
ozbot PiratePad: or1RSxpueo [03:40]
kakobrekla this goes there [03:40]
kakobrekla +- [03:40]
mircea_popescu maybe to give more avenues of haxxorage on ? [03:40]
kakobrekla its all contained [03:41]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla hehe ok. but what's the idea, give me like an usecase for the wiki [03:41]
kakobrekla for when the newbies come and ask "can you give me reading material and not the log" [03:42]
nubbins` ah [03:42]
mircea_popescu << see, now that's a paid troll on point and good at what he does. rapid, efficient, a wonder to behold. not like the rest of you bums [03:42]
ozbot [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings [03:42]
mircea_popescu what am i even paying you for! [03:42]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla a so it's not a bitbet thing [03:42]
mircea_popescu for some reason i was thinking that [03:43]
kakobrekla O_o [03:43]
pankkake maybe a collective Trilema TL;DR [03:43]
nubbins` you're paying me?! :0 [03:43]
mircea_popescu yeah. TCTTLDR [03:43]
mircea_popescu The Collective Trilema Too Long Didn't Romprehend [03:43]
mircea_popescu course... it'd kinda put the various btcnews sites out of business, so i understand now what this is all about. you're all trying to sabotage bitcoinsarl, jarl and etc. [03:45]
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mircea_popescu anyway, as encouragement, i'll gift either 100k ATC or 0.1 BTC for the best article there. [03:46]
mircea_popescu winner's choice. [03:46]
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jurov hi dotcoin [03:46]
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dotcoin hi jurov [03:46]
mircea_popescu jurov you two know each other ? [03:46]
dotcoin why talking so bad about me [03:46]
jurov i§m his happy shareholder [03:47]
dotcoin yes we know i think [03:47]
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jurov since before bitcoinbourse launch [03:47]
dotcoin yes happy shareholders not accuse the company of scam [03:47]
mircea_popescu ;;gettrust dotcoin [03:47]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user dotcoin: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: never [03:47]
mircea_popescu you seem to be having a bit of a problem there dotcoin. [03:48]
dotcoin do you think so [03:48]
dotcoin i think there are some other guys have much more problems than me [03:48]
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dotcoin so tell me guys where is the problem [03:49]
nubbins` hey [03:49]
nubbins` dotcoin! my friend! [03:49]
nubbins` your lawyer got in touch with me [03:49]
nubbins` i gave him all the info i had about pankkake [03:49]
mircea_popescu dotcoin inasmuch as you're trying to start some sort of exchange with no experience and no web of trust presence... [03:50]
dotcoin i am not your friend nubbins nor i want your friend [03:50]
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dotcoin you think i have no experience? as you all guys runs many exchanges here i see [03:50]
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dotcoin or any other usefull stuff [03:51]
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mircea_popescu yes, we run teh bitcoin. [03:51]
dotcoin you run the bitcoin [03:51]
mircea_popescu how useful it is however... it's kinda debatable. [03:51]
dotcoin for one is more and for the other less [03:52]
nubbins` dotcoin we are not friends? [03:52]
dotcoin but classifieds this me or my company as a scammer [03:52]
nubbins` your lawyer was nice. you are not as nice as your lawyer. [03:52]
mircea_popescu he has a lawyer ?! [03:52]
dotcoin nubbins stop talk to me please you are simple little trol not talking with you [03:53]
mircea_popescu dotcoin ok but you have a lawyer / [03:53]
nubbins` mircea_popescu, [03:53]
nubbins` says there he has a lawyer [03:53]
dotcoin i have a lawyer you too [03:53]
mircea_popescu what's his name ? [03:53]
dotcoin you can read when you in problems with me on the letter he will send you [03:54]
Duffer1 hi dotcoin [03:54]
nubbins` how in the world is your lawyer going to send a letter to me :( [03:54]
dotcoin but what is now the problems here is there any serious discussion [03:54]
dotcoin or what is here on [03:54]
dotcoin why you troll companies in forums [03:54]
nubbins` dotcoin, what is your native language? (just curious) [03:55]
mircea_popescu ... so do you have a lawyer or don't you. [03:55]
jurov dotcoin, you refused to say anything about what was doen with bitcoins from bourse IPO [03:55]
dotcoin pankkake [03:55]
bounce "pankkake" is a language now? [03:55]
jurov that's even less than several known scammers [03:55]
jurov so for me, your case is clear [03:55]
nubbins` pankkake is the language of love [03:55]
nubbins` aka body language [03:55]
dotcoin so what is the case jurov [03:55]
kakobrekla the bourse thingy was german iirc [03:56]
dotcoin the case is you are friend of martin and he is not happy to get out of bourse right? [03:56]
dotcoin what he told you this man [03:56]
jurov martin is irrelevant here [03:56]
jurov you raised hunders of BTC [03:56]
jurov and they are not heard of since [03:57]
dotcoin hundrets [03:57]
jurov *hundreds [03:57]
mircea_popescu nubbins` linguistix specialist says probably dutch or german. [03:57]
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nubbins` ah [03:57]
dotcoin you even know how much we raised [03:57]
nubbins` don't panic, i'm only germanic [03:57]
kanzure i think i killed gribble :( [03:57]
BingoBoingo dotcoin: Why do you have a lawyer? [03:57]
nubbins` i don't think he has a lawyer [03:58]
dotcoin and if so what is the problem about a IPO is to raise money or not [03:58]
jurov wont gonna look it up, i know i am not getting answer anyway [03:58]
dotcoin so jurov tell me please what is your problem now [03:58]
jurov you are eliza [03:58]
jurov ? [03:58]
jurov tell me about your parents? [03:58]
dotcoin eliza? [03:59]
jurov etc? [03:59]
dotcoin are you drunk [03:59]
mircea_popescu kanzure what did you do ? [03:59]
jurov i explained my problem clearly [03:59]
jurov last time: 1. you raised bitcoins [03:59]
dotcoin not real you tell me i rais hundrets of bitcoins and ? [03:59]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo lawyers are like girlfriends, except better. everyone should have a few. [04:00]
jurov 2. built crappy website but never disclosed how many of them were used in the process [04:00]
mircea_popescu < da hell is this thing anyway ? [04:00]
jurov 3. want moar [04:00]
dotcoin and you want to know where they are gone? [04:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1995 @ 0.00094702 = 1.8893 BTC [+] [04:00]
Juelcf the new bourse website looks good and works good [04:00]
dotcoin what do you think where they are gone? [04:00]
mircea_popescu dotcoin how about this : [04:00]
Duffer1 MP i'm thinking french [04:01]
dotcoin do you think you create site like we have and without paying anything [04:01]
mircea_popescu apparently you issued stock, then did a forced buyback at a loss. [04:01]
kakobrekla spent them for dotcoin mansion [04:01]
dotcoin do you het it for free anywhere in the world? [04:01]
jurov i have to guess? blow and hookers? [04:01]
Juelcf You guys talk so much shit its amazing [04:01]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [04:01]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2304 @ 0.00012063 = 0.2779 BTC [-] {8} [04:01]
nubbins` dotcoin: WOW, you did a forced buyback at a loss? [04:01]
dotcoin whaamazing company yes [04:01]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [04:01]
dotcoin show me a better one [04:01]
nubbins` Juelcf: hi [04:02]
mircea_popescu dotcoin you have this strange comparison to the mean mentality. [04:02]
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mircea_popescu doesn't really matter what you perceive the average to be. the idea is to stand out at the top not to muddle around the middle. [04:02]
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dotcoin a so jurov i want to tell you what ever your friend martin lies to you is not the truth, and to accuse me for scam in this case in forums is not the best way to hear the other site of this story between martin and me, you are shareholder you try now to accuse me of scam so what i have think about that? do you think is a productive way for your shares? more than i not scam any [04:04]
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nubbins`_ who's martin? [04:05]
jurov i want numbers, not story [04:05]
dotcoin i am a real person i not hide behind aliases and be in a forum a super hero member [04:05]
mircea_popescu so what is your name ? [04:05]
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nubbins`_ i think his real name is Dot Coin [04:05]
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dotcoin all of you guys can meet me if you wan and we can discuss [04:05]
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mircea_popescu isn't that patented by some fatass in new zealand ? [04:05]
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mircea_popescu dotcoin yes, we can. so what's your name ? [04:05]
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nubbins`_ not exactly but you can still be prosecuted under the Analogue Act [04:06]
jurov nubbins`_: martin is our mutual acquaintance that was supposed to be cofounder of bitcoin bourse and helped me to decide to invest there [04:06]
BingoBoingo ;;ident dotcoin [04:06]
jurov later martin quit [04:06]
nubbins`_ ah [04:06]
dotcoin cofounder of bitcoin bourse hahaha [04:06]
nubbins`_ sort of like thickasthieves and neobee? [04:06]
gribble Nick 'dotcoin', with hostmask 'dotcoin!5d10ab35@gateway/web/freenode/ip.', is not identified. [04:06]
* nubbins`_ cackles loudly [04:06]
dotcoin martin quit hahaha [04:06]
mircea_popescu jurov would this be foresnick or some other guy ? [04:06]
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jurov yes forensick [04:06]
dotcoin sorry man you are full wrong informed [04:06]
Duffer1 Markus Weiler? [04:06]
dotcoin yes is the forensick guy [04:07]
dotcoin yes Markus Weiler [04:07]
mike_c_s this cost money? [04:07]
dotcoin and you Duffer 1? [04:07]
jurov and who are you then? [04:07]
mircea_popescu Duffer1 well we don't know. guy has a lawyer he can't name and doesn't hide behind nicks but can't introduce himself. [04:07]
mircea_popescu a bit of a conundrum so far. [04:07]
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jurov forensick is martin belobrat and YOU are markus weiler [04:07]
nubbins`_ mike_c that website looks like it cost about $5 to make [04:07]
mircea_popescu mike_c not everyone has python developers at their beak and call. [04:07]
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mike_c apparently [04:07]
nubbins`_ ah [04:07]
nubbins`_ Markus Weiler! [04:08]
dotcoin yes ok now all people can call me Markus Weiler if you are more happy with that [04:08]
dotcoin Mr for some of you huys [04:08]
nubbins`_ heh [04:08]
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dotcoin specialy for the trolls without name [04:08]
kakobrekla ;;google Markus Weiler [04:08]
mircea_popescu ok, so you're markus weiler and you try to run bitcoinbourse. [04:08]
peterl "i am a real person i not hide behind aliases and be in a forum a super hero member" says a guy named "dotcoin"? [04:08]
kakobrekla no gribble : [04:08]
gribble Prof. Dr. Markus Weiler — Professur für Hydrologie: ; Markus Weiler - Google Scholar Citations: ; mweiler (Markus Weiler) on deviantART: [04:08]
jurov ^ typical communication style. no help there [04:08]
jurov goodnight [04:08]
kakobrekla a there you are [04:08]
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kakobrekla dr? [04:08]
kakobrekla nah [04:08]
dotcoin so what now jurov [04:08]
kakobrekla must be wrong guy [04:09]
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nubbins`_ ^ [04:09]
Duffer1 dotcoin I was just reading wasn't sure if that was your name or not. Call me Matt :) [04:09]
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nubbins`_ Call me on my birthday [04:09]
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mircea_popescu dotcoin so now we get to the part where you issued a stock on cryptostocks and then did a forced buyback for a lower price. [04:09]
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nubbins`_ oh my god, Markus Weiler did a forced buyback of stock? [04:10]
dotcoin make a force back i think was for 1 share so can be yes [04:10]
nubbins`_ at a lower price?! [04:10]
mircea_popescu dotcoin it's in the link above. [04:10]
Duffer1 who was running the pass through? [04:11]
mircea_popescu please let it be usagi ? [04:11]
dotcoin if this one user have a loss will pay him if contact me, ask now why make a force back buy, tell you martin the friend of jurov told me we must sell shares there, as we not have need, this i stop trading on cryptostocks that was simple and not any to to i rip of a guy of 0.0005 btc [04:11]
mircea_popescu can you write that out again but in your native language ? [04:11]
nubbins`_ en francais svp! [04:12]
mircea_popescu it made no sense in english ; i can probably read it in whatever it is you speak. [04:12]
dotcoin i am not francais man i am german and i am sure nobody of you guys speak german [04:12]
nubbins`_ in deutsche bitte! [04:12]
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dotcoin Fuer dich gerne in deutsch [04:12]
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dotcoin stell deine frage in deutsch [04:13]
mircea_popescu ja, Deutsch wird hier gesprochen [04:13]
bounce eutelsat netblock. talk about being out in the boonies. [04:13]
dotcoin ja na dann mal los [04:13]
nubbins`_ danke, ihr englisch ist schwer zu verstehen ;( [04:13]
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dotcoin genau wie ihr deutsch [04:13]
benkay [04:13]
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jurov here you said you are markus weiler [04:14]
ozbot Bitcoin SARL Infoletter 26/11/13 [04:14]
mircea_popescu benkay fuck, she beats my redheads [04:14]
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dotcoin yes jurov still i am [04:14]
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nubbins`_ sea salt & black pepper on popcorn? sigh [04:14]
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Duffer1 i'd eat that [04:15]
mircea_popescu nubbins`_ and lymph [04:15]
Duffer1 Ich würde das essen [04:15]
benkay i'll let you know when i find the moose sausage popcorn, nubbins` [04:15]
benkay let's keep this one in reserve for when the SEC gets you, mircea_popescu [04:17]
mircea_popescu so dramatique [04:18]
Duffer1 has there been any followup to that? [04:18]
dotcoin ok jurov i guess if you have any questions about anything, you have my email and i am sure you aware of daily newsletters [04:18]
kakobrekla lel [04:18]
kakobrekla you didnt give any answers dotcoin [04:19]
kakobrekla now im curioal. [04:19]
dotcoin i give not answers about what kakobrekla [04:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 112 @ 0.00602001 = 0.6742 BTC [-] {2} [04:19]
Juelcf i would like to know also what the fuck is going on here [04:19]
dotcoin i answer and some people want talk with me german so what now [04:20]
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kakobrekla you were asked to type what you typed in german [04:20]
kakobrekla so do it [04:20]
Duffer1 hi Juelcf [04:20]
dotcoin google translate i not want wast more time [04:20]
Juelcf Hi [04:20]
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kakobrekla like talking to a can of worms. [04:21]
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dotcoin serious people here can join our newsletter than they will informed and people with problems or questions can contact me by email [04:21]
Duffer1 are you not entertained [04:21]
Duffer1 .fr? [04:22]
Duffer1 nm [04:22]
dotcoin n8 [04:24]
kakobrekla anyway i tried google trasnlate eng -> eng and it doesnt fix your garbage [04:24]
kakobrekla also brb [04:24]
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nubbins`_ mircea_popescu: sea salt, black pepper, and lymph on popcorn?! [04:27]
Juelcf whats the deal with dotcoin? why was everyone trolling? [04:27]
mircea_popescu Juelcf who exactly was trolling ? and who exactly are you ? [04:28]
benkay not really trolling. dotcoin's being evasive and the channel kinda got pissed. [04:28]
Duffer1 the engrish doesn't help either [04:28]
Juelcf mircea_popescu, just asking [04:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24562 @ 0.00094807 = 23.2865 BTC [+] {2} [04:28]
Duffer1 no offense [04:28]
nubbins`_ obv a machine translation job [04:29]
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Duffer1 juelcf it started with pankkake calling foul on a couple of dubious offerings by dotcoin [04:30]
Duffer1 then came to a head today as dotcoin threatened to sue pankkake [04:30]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 13 @ 0.05683845 = 0.7389 BTC [-] {4} [04:30]
bounce well, maybe we need a virtual courts of teh intarwebz, where you can sue WoT usernames and such. [04:31]
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bounce s/ a // [04:31]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.05699999 = 0.228 BTC [+] {3} [04:31]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0459 = 0.3672 BTC [-] [04:32]
peterl didnt they have a Rota for that sort of thing? [04:33]
nubbins`_ heh [04:33]
BingoBoingo I suppose a good rule of thumb for any court would be that parties wanting redress from Pankkake are prolly in the wrong [04:33]
nubbins`_ peterl it got too real too quick [04:33]
peterl what is the use of such a thing if it is not real? [04:33]
nubbins`_ no use [04:33]
nubbins`_ fun fact, ROTA was an acronym for Rand of the Ayn [04:35]
bounce no idea what that is and it already smells like WTMI [04:36]
nubbins`_ ;;ud wtmi [04:36]
gribble | wtmi. Way to much information. Often used by women(and somethimes men) to pronounce that something is indeed gross or sickening and they dont want to ... [04:36]
ozbot Urban Dictionary: wtmi [04:36]
BingoBoingo I thought ROTA was an acronym for Round, Oiled, Tense, Asses [04:37]
nubbins`_ heh. [04:37]
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nubbins`_ too many commas, otherwise ok [04:37]
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cazalla [04:39]
nubbins` 1-855-one-bitcoin [04:39]
nubbins` or, if you're in a rush, 1-855-one-bitc [04:39]
nubbins` lelelel [04:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21844 @ 0.00094708 = 20.688 BTC [-] [04:40]
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cazalla "Lol, wrapped some cardboard boxes in inkjet-printed labels, and took a pic of one HF board? Awesome." top kek [04:42]
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nubbins` "let's use a cell phone camera for the photos for our big announcement" [04:43]
mircea_popescu it's a slow drama day, so let's lol at people. [04:43]
nubbins`! [04:44]
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mircea_popescu bounce we had something like that, as peterl points out. it failed miserably. [04:44]
mircea_popescu and it wasn't no acronim [04:45]
asciilifeform in other news, my site (should anyone give a damn) is back. [04:45]
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mircea_popescu ;;google tribunal apostolicum rotae romanae [04:45]
gribble Roman Rota - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Rota Background - ; Addresses of courts - Arcibiskupství pražské: [04:45]
mircea_popescu nubbins` ghetto huh. [04:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4702 @ 0.00094823 = 4.4586 BTC [+] [04:47]
nubbins` who knows, maybe they couldn't afford a $99 samsung point-and-shoot because they spent every last dime on legitimate businessy things [04:47]
peterl Some cell phones these days have very nice cameras [04:47]
mircea_popescu http/ [04:47]
mircea_popescu this shit looks quite aesthetically pleasing [04:48]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: cut&paste in cad proggy will do that. symmetric. [04:48]
mircea_popescu also the central thing. [04:49]
asciilifeform that multi-die beast looks like a thermal nightmare though [04:49]
mircea_popescu it does yeah [04:49]
asciilifeform why cram them in one? [04:49]
mircea_popescu imo it's horrid design, you'd have wanted the 4 separated towards corners or something [04:50]
asciilifeform is the author here? [04:50]
mircea_popescu but forget the sanity. it pleaseth my eye [04:50]
asciilifeform ok i think i get it! [04:50]
asciilifeform look at the 'octopus' [04:50]
asciilifeform it's designed to fit an intel heat sink. [04:50]
asciilifeform hence the quad die. [04:50]
mircea_popescu like a girl on 7 inchers. you know she's in pain and likely can't run... but damn that ass. [04:50]
asciilifeform it wants to have the same mechanicals as a 'xeon' [04:50]
mircea_popescu oh [04:51]
mircea_popescu who knows, that may work cheaper [04:51]
asciilifeform cheaper than having your own heat sinks cast, yes [04:51]
asciilifeform esp. if you like hydraulic strange [04:51]
asciilifeform the 6-pin molexes are probably intel's 'p4' too. [04:52]
kakobrekla these are apparently water cooled as well [04:54]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11930 @ 0.00094906 = 11.3223 BTC [+] {2} [04:55]
pankkake I can take better pics of my Data Center: [04:58]
asciilifeform whatever happened to those folks who sold a $3k (usd) pc chassis-cum-heatsink of solid copper, weighing as much as a man ? [04:59]
asciilifeform 'zalman' i think it was. [04:59]
pankkake I'm not sure they actually sold it [05:00]
nubbins` seems to me like if you remove the per-case judge payment and stick to the yearly sum, the rota would involve a whole lot less QQing [05:00]
asciilifeform shame. i have this ancient crackpot dream of being rid of pc fans. [05:01]
mircea_popescu nubbins` wouldn't have had any impact in the matter that sunk it [05:02]
pankkake there are some passive heatsinks though [05:02]
pankkake huge aluminum stuff - but they tell you to have case fans though [05:02]
asciilifeform pankkake: show a 100% passive cooled machine that isn't a toy [05:02]
nubbins` mircea_popescu well pretty hard to buy off judges if the judges don't get paid any extra for taking the case [05:02]
pankkake I guess you can do it if you underclock [05:02]
mircea_popescu nubbins` ... [05:02]
nubbins` unless i'm missing something [05:03]
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pankkake I solved the fan issue by putting the machines in another room than the one I'm in [05:03]
asciilifeform pankkake: i'm about to rent a whole building instead of flat, partly so i can do just this [05:04]
mircea_popescu well you are. inasmuch the defendant passively receives X btc and is then required to return X+e, the entire thing is an extraction engine [05:04]
pankkake though the real annoyance always was the noise of hard drives [05:04]
asciilifeform but fans still suck in dirt, fail without warning, etc [05:04]
pankkake yeah, my GPU fan died, and those aren't easy to replace :( [05:04]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the correct solution to the fan problem is to use fanned tubes [05:04]
nubbins` what's "e", effort? [05:05]
pankkake back to the slower passive gpu, which at least still works [05:05]
mircea_popescu all fans in a tube can't fail at the same time [05:05]
mircea_popescu nubbins` epsilon [05:05]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: apple is selling, i think, a machine of just this shape. but, as you can probably guess, i'd rather not buy it. [05:05]
pankkake my case has filters, the case wasn't that dusty after months of operation [05:05]
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nubbins` mircea_popescu: in the post mortem example, all i see is: mpex receives 100btc, mpex returns 100btc, mpex pays judges 3btc each [05:06]
asciilifeform [05:06]
mircea_popescu i wonder why there doesn't exist some sort of magnetic heat extractor device! [05:06]
mircea_popescu nubbins` so what you mean is, make the cases costless ? [05:07]
mircea_popescu what prevents someone from suing everyone in sight if there's no cost to it ? [05:07]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: magneto-hydrodynamic coolant pump ? one sees them in patents often, but for some reason never in pc. [05:07]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i know. [05:07]
mircea_popescu yet pc would seem one of the best applications [05:07]
nubbins` no cost to it? if you lose, it's a 10btc cost [05:08]
mircea_popescu ... [05:08]
dexX7 rota 2? [05:08]
mircea_popescu you gotta make up your mind nubbins` [05:08]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ordinary 'heat pipe' works great, so long as you have a massive sink on the other side. heat pipe can be thought of as a refrigerator without a compressor. [05:08]
nubbins` i left out fees for brevity in my example [05:09]
nubbins` consider it suitably modified. [05:09]
mircea_popescu so then mpex has to pay the fees if it loses ? [05:09]
mircea_popescu and it can lose without doing anything ? [05:09]
nubbins` it couldn't lose if it declined to participate [05:10]
nubbins` how else would you deal with a case you deemed frivolous? [05:10]
nubbins` throw 10btc at it and hope ya get it back?! [05:11]
Duffer1 what's the incentive to defend yourself ever? [05:11]
nubbins` THERE ISN'T ONE [05:11]
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mircea_popescu then problem solved ? [05:12]
Duffer1 hehe [05:12]
nubbins` well, if you look at it that way, the rota was a solution in search of a problem [05:12]
mircea_popescu it may be said. [05:13]
nubbins` suppose i call chetty a poopyhead and it turns out this damaged her reputation so badly that she lost a 100btc contract. she decides to sue me via rota, i decline. [05:13]
mircea_popescu what can i tell you, i'm not mafalda. i figure things out as i go [05:13]
nubbins` now what? nothing [05:13]
mircea_popescu nubbins` now you're a poopyhead [05:13]
nubbins` joke's on you, that doesn't damage my reputation [05:14]
mircea_popescu well not like it has to. [05:14]
mircea_popescu whats this, taloncoin ? [05:14]
nubbins` i can't keep up with them, you tell me :D [05:14]
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nubbins` anyway. [05:14]
mircea_popescu im very surprised nobody made bitround yet [05:14]
nubbins` maybe the defendant doesn't have to pay a fee because we're not paying the judges per-case anymore [05:15]
mircea_popescu everyone with their head in a box, X-coin Y-coin blergh [05:15]
nubbins` bitbar [05:15]
mircea_popescu not paying the judges per case has a host of problems [05:15]
nubbins` toss a couple at me [05:15]
mircea_popescu such as judges no longer actually wish to judge. it becomes morel ike jury duty [05:15]
nubbins` workload would be the obvious one [05:15]
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nubbins` but hey, USA has a thousand magistrate judges for a reason [05:16]
nubbins` say a judge has to take 30 cases a year or w/e for his 30btc [05:16]
nubbins` he knows the workload involved when he signs up. once all judges are booked up, you have a backlog. [05:17]
joecool i had a case some years back that was delayed nearly 2 years because the judge assigned was waiting for his retirement request to finalize [05:18]
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nubbins` exactly so [05:18]
MisterE mornin [05:19]
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nubbins` anyway, you're arguing that salary doesn't work because pay-by-the-hour makes it seem like less of a chore [05:19]
mircea_popescu nubbins` and how do you pay the 30 btc ? [05:23]
mircea_popescu and im merely arguing that since every top job out there pays a salary + bonuses, that model is unavoidable. [05:24]
nubbins` well, how were you planning to pay the 30btc? [05:24]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16802 @ 0.0009498 = 15.9585 BTC [+] {2} [05:24]
nubbins` unavoidable pff, bitcoin is here to replace &c &c. [05:25]
nubbins` receiving btc IS a bonus. [05:25]
mircea_popescu iffy. [05:25]
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nubbins` anyway, unless that 30btc was supposed to come from the leftover 1btc of the losing party's money (30 cases per judge per year!), i can only imagine that you were privately funding the judges' salaries [05:26]
mircea_popescu and if you recall, the 10 btc - 3x3 = 1 leftover. [05:26]
mircea_popescu 30 cases a year pay for the 30. [05:26]
mircea_popescu i was privately underwriting the risk that judges may not get 30 cases/year [05:26]
mircea_popescu that fat tail ended up costing a pretty penny, but hey. [05:27]
nubbins` so the plaintiff's 10btc fee is refundable to 9btc if he wins. [05:28]
nubbins` all the more reason to avoid frivolous claims, no? [05:28]
nubbins` if you buy a can of coke here, you pay eight cents recycling deposit. you bring the empty can back, you get five cents. [05:29]
nubbins` i can almost hear the gears turning from here... although it could just be the cat snoring ;( [05:31]
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mircea_popescu nubbins` no dood. 2parties contribute 10 btc each. the winner gets his 10 btc back [05:34]
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mircea_popescu the loser's goes to judges and 1 btc left over. [05:34]
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nubbins` yeah, that didn't work tho [05:34]
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mircea_popescu sure. but the problem was hardly the incentive structure. [05:35]
nubbins` so you remove the defendant's fee, which solves the problem you identified where mpex gets bled dry, and you make 1btc of the plaintiff's fee non-refundable, which solves the payroll problem [05:35]
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mircea_popescu dude wtf. [05:37]
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mircea_popescu plaintif wins. gets 10 btc back. who pays the judges ? [05:37]
nubbins` no. [05:37]
nubbins` plaintiff wins, gets 9btc back. [05:37]
mircea_popescu lol. plaintiff never wins ? [05:37]
bocobit [05:37]
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nubbins` you want the rota to solve your problems for you, it costs you 1btc. [05:37]
mircea_popescu and who pays the judges ? [05:38]
mircea_popescu do they make 3 btc if defendant wins, and 0 if plaintiff wins ? [05:38]
nubbins` they don't make shit until their contract is up [05:39]
mircea_popescu that'll never work. [05:39]
nubbins` sure it will. [05:39]
nubbins` if defendant wins, he gets the 9btc. [05:39]
nubbins` the 1btc -- and nothing more -- always goes to the judge fund [05:40]
MisterE who picks judges and where they come from? [05:40]
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mircea_popescu MisterE was a self-nomination thing, originally. see the article [05:40]
MisterE sorry I came in late in the chat [05:40]
nubbins` if some asshole sends 100btc to mpex for no reason and wants to rota it, he pays 10btc, you pay 0btc. [05:40]
nubbins` 1btc immediately goes to judges fund [05:40]
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nubbins` asshole wins: he gets 9btc refund. you win: you get 9btc payout. [05:41]
nubbins` now tell me if people would be bringing frivolous claims to a court set up like that. [05:41]
mircea_popescu o.o [05:41]
nubbins` tell me if people wouldn't be encouraged to solve their own problems rather than whining to btc dad [05:41]
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mircea_popescu i think perhaps you may be optimising for a differen tproblem. [05:41]
nubbins` solving all of them at once, really [05:41]
MisterE bitcointalk is there the whiners are [05:41]
nubbins` i don't think there are any problems left ;D [05:42]
mircea_popescu cool. im off to bed. [05:42]
nubbins` nitey [05:43]
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mircea_popescu ;;later tell benkay what do you mean ? [16:33]
gribble The operation succeeded. [16:33]
mircea_popescu nubbins` you're deluding yourself. whether there's a fee for participation or not, the defendant's risking something participating. [16:35]
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mircea_popescu so what's the neobee announcement ? [16:54]
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mircea_popescu the20year1 it's all a question of who do you want to deal with. to me, forum trust means exactly zero. to the forum, wel... they don't even know whjat the wot is, they're barely discovering chan logs these days. [16:56]
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mircea_popescu and before you make the kneejerk decision that you'd rather go where the people are, let me remind you that this is bitcoin, and that nonsense already took you to bf once, and then to havelock. [16:56]
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mike_c kakobrekla: thanks, spam cleansed. [17:03]
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mircea_popescu nubbins`: i don't think borrowing and repaying is a particularly good way of building trust. < it's awful really, more likely to diminish the trust of the rater than to improve that of the rate'ed. [17:03]
ThickAsThieves agreed [17:04]
ThickAsThieves the borrow 1btc for a week thing is silly [17:05]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla it's how you manage muppets, a la bitcointalk forum crowd. [17:05]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves well, it rules out dank. [17:05]
ThickAsThieves it opens up those lenders to be targets too [17:05]
artifexd What is "dank"? [17:06]
mircea_popescu generally the corollary of freedom is that well... you gotta stay vigilant. which explains why freedom is so deeply umpopular. [17:06]
mircea_popescu artifexd o you missed a lot of fun. [17:06]
mircea_popescu [17:06]
ozbot #bitcoin-assets log [17:07]
mircea_popescu hm, bitcoinpete's adventure is quite important : everyone with a WoT account : make sure you turn enforce on with nickserv. [17:08]
mircea_popescu otherwise you're just contributing tools to scammers. [17:08]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo this should actually be in your manual. it's an absolute imperative, you can [17:08]
wywialm and what is a good way of building trust then? [17:08]
mircea_popescu 't have wot accts w/o enforce. [17:08]
mircea_popescu wywialm if you idle here and read, good ways present themselves. [17:08]
mircea_popescu often someone needs something done or there's an idea you can help with etc. [17:09]
mircea_popescu you know, just like in any society. [17:09]
artifexd I was here. Lurking. Watching it live. I just stayed silent because I had nothing useful to add. I did miss the "dank bank" comment. [17:09]
mircea_popescu jayk can't believe asshole teacher had the guts to x that answer. [17:09]
mircea_popescu artifexd i know about you. i was talking to him tho :p [17:10]
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mircea_popescu [17:10]
ozbot Euro zone inflation drops to lowest since 2009 [17:10]
mircea_popescu check out how well europe is doing :D [17:10]
mircea_popescu bwahahaha [17:10]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I'll address this deficiency [17:11]
mircea_popescu so putin threatens to fuck them up with the energy, quickly the propaganda brigade is out there with preparatory statements [17:11]
mircea_popescu "oh, it may be the case everything will be more expensive in the future, perhaps, BUT!! don't worry about it, you read last month all about how low inflation is!" [17:11]
mircea_popescu << ahaha this is beyond cute. [17:12]
VanCleef speaking of media propaganda the funnest ones i seen was yesterday or the day before, but all american media groups were saying putin called obama about ukraine because putin is weak and looking for an exit [17:12]
VanCleef was like wtf? [17:13]
mircea_popescu lol [17:13]
mircea_popescu terribly weak, i bet. didn't they pretty much take over and end of story ? [17:13]
ThickAsThieves how do you enable 'enforce' of nicks? i'm registered in nickserv, is that how? [17:15]
mircea_popescu joecool now that's pretty cool! i had forgotten all about ;;events [17:15]
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artifexd /msg nickserv set enforce on [17:15]
mircea_popescu lol he just missed his reg window [17:15]
ThickAsThieves thanks! [17:16]
mircea_popescu wb. [17:16]
Mats_cd03 balls [17:16]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [17:16]
Mats_cd03 i need wot rating to edit the wiki :( [17:16]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 459.5, Best ask: 462.04, Bid-ask spread: 2.54000, Last trade: 462.04, 24 hour volume: 32552.45101504, 24 hour low: 436.0, 24 hour high: 486.7, 24 hour vwap: 452.77957586 [17:16]
mircea_popescu Mats_cd03 ask kakobrekla [17:16]
ThickAsThieves didnt mp rate you? [17:16]
mircea_popescu i did ? [17:16]
Mats_cd03 no [17:16]
ThickAsThieves oh it was mattc [17:16]
ThickAsThieves mikec [17:16]
ThickAsThieves bleh [17:16]
ThickAsThieves nickserv enforce does what exactly, forces you to ident with nickserv on login? [17:17]
mircea_popescu within 30 seconds [17:17]
ThickAsThieves cool [17:18]
mircea_popescu NickServ- This nickname is registered. Please choose a different nickname, or identify via /msg NickServ identify . [17:18]
mircea_popescu like that. [17:18]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell benkay it was btctc if memory serves. [17:19]
gribble The operation succeeded. [17:19]
ThickAsThieves "The euro zone is far from the deflation that Japan suffered from the early 1990s" [17:19]
ThickAsThieves deflation is suffering? [17:19]
ThickAsThieves i guess it would affect debtors [17:20]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell antephialtic the sort of people who take their information from btctalk and etc are better off not investing in btc stocks yet anyway. [17:21]
gribble The operation succeeded. [17:21]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves you recall the minimal theft argument ? [17:21]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: theft 'hormesis' ? [17:21]
ThickAsThieves i do not [17:21]
mircea_popescu aite lemme find it [17:21]
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ThickAsThieves i can however see how an institutionally inflationary economy going deflationary could be painful [17:22]
mike_c well, the biggest debtor in the land is the govt. they aren't going to let things get deflationary. [17:23]
mircea_popescu [17:24]
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ThickAsThieves ok i remember now [17:25]
mircea_popescu so now, a cogent argument can be brought that japan was wrecked by its deflation years. [17:25]
mircea_popescu they survived ww2 and hiroshima as a traditional society. [17:25]
mircea_popescu all that is gone now. the reason ? [17:25]
mircea_popescu well japanese kids didn't start raping their mothers [17:25]
mircea_popescu but they did stop having sex altogether. [17:25]
mircea_popescu in the end the effect is the same. japan as you know it is about as relevant to world affairs as the hitite empire. [17:26]
ThickAsThieves i wonder if their penises will evolve to clits over time if it keeps up [17:26]
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mike_c japan gets first crack at karpeles, that's gotta be worth something. [17:26]
mircea_popescu they won't make it. just be replaced with some sort of short stocky chinese. [17:26]
mircea_popescu i really dislike that type, too. and especially their women. [17:27]
ThickAsThieves hehe [17:27]
mircea_popescu o look, the breakfast pancake is now moving around on two olives! [17:27]
asciilifeform they could always grow another yukio mishima, this time with a brain, and go productively geopolitically apeshit [17:27]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform mishima had a brain imo. [17:27]
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mircea_popescu they didn't have teh... i dunno how to call it, the endometrium say. [17:28]
asciilifeform now this is probably true. sort of how limonov could not have possibly succeeded [17:28]
mircea_popescu right. a man is a zygote, [17:28]
mircea_popescu society around him needs to support la revolucion or else... no revolucion. [17:29]
mircea_popescu note how well guevara did in chad or w/e [17:29]
asciilifeform even the fellow mishima put in charge as 'kaisyaku' failed to do the job (cleanly chop off his head) [17:29]
mircea_popescu and i assure you had mishima had a better candidate available, he'd have picked that one. [17:29]
mircea_popescu you know ? [17:29]
asciilifeform 'can't mold bullet from shit' [17:30]
mircea_popescu re limonov : [17:30]
VanCleef what if you freeze it? [17:30]
mircea_popescu wouldn't one be worried once his tits are better than the girl's ? [17:30]
mircea_popescu VanCleef and you shoot it with a freezefull explosion ? [17:31]
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VanCleef geez that would be horrible, shitting in a bullet type casing and freezing it and then firing it into someone [17:31]
asciilifeform VanCleef: frozen bullet never worked - because 'pv = nrt' [17:31]
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mircea_popescu friction melts it. [17:31]
asciilifeform not the friction. the gas compression in front of it. [17:31]
VanCleef let a man dream damn it [17:32]
asciilifeform same as for re-entry from orbit [17:32]
Mats_cd03 id poo in a shell for you [17:32]
asciilifeform or your refrigerator [17:32]
mircea_popescu also that. [17:32]
VanCleef i was at a party and shat in someones bong once [17:32]
ThickAsThieves :/ [17:32]
novusordo cover the shit with a layer of epoxy [17:33]
mircea_popescu epoxy in a bong ?! [17:33]
novusordo i was still talking about the bullet [17:33]
ThickAsThieves [17:33]
ozbot #bitcoin-assets log [17:33]
Mats_cd03 wtf? [17:33]
asciilifeform soviet tale - one drunken idiot tells another, 'i was at this party, and this guy must've been a serious contraband hero, he's loaded - i stumbled around, looking for the throne, and found a little bathroom with golden toilet!' - other: 'fucktard, so it was you who took a shit in the saxophone!' [17:33]
mircea_popescu kik [17:34]
VanCleef lol [17:34]
mircea_popescu contraband hero huh ? like guitar hero, except the 80s [17:34]
asciilifeform (translation mine) [17:34]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla: the brick and mortar trick is still something new in btcland << hardly. mtgox had them, bitcoin foundation had them (before running of to the uk at any rate) [17:36]
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mircea_popescu dirt_ it's really not weird at all. exactly by the book how these things unfold. [17:37]
chetty [17:38]
ozbot Global warming dials up our risks, UN report says [17:38]
mircea_popescu chetty you know how this global warming soup sounds to me ? like since the 90s govt was hoping for an alien invasion to blame everything on, and by now they've finally decided that's not happening so going with plan b [17:39]
mircea_popescu i guess it's better than plan c, "the daisies did it, man!" [17:39]
chetty yeah - a bit confusing how they manage that with no warming the last 15 or so years [17:39]
mircea_popescu that's why they didn't go ahead and pretend it was the aliens. [17:39]
mircea_popescu Temperature : 44 C/ 111 F (Normal) Temperature Sensor Status : Normal [17:41]
asciilifeform it won't surprise me to see 'international komyoonity' airstrikes on uppity third-worlders who won't play ball and deindustrialize. 'punishment for pollution'. [17:41]
mircea_popescu see ? 44 c is now "normal" :D [17:41]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's not happening. [17:41]
mircea_popescu there's no "international community" any more than the bitcointalk folks are "the bitcoin community" [17:41]
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mircea_popescu all that bullshit died in syria. [17:42]
asciilifeform the arsonist who torched syria has a box full of matches left. [17:42]
mircea_popescu not really. [17:43]
asciilifeform they might be a little wet. but i'd be surprised if he doesn't try everything potentially flammable to see what can be burned next. [17:43]
mircea_popescu the way this game works is you get one new match once you successfully use the previous. [17:44]
chetty I'm sure they will keep trying [17:44]
mircea_popescu trying doesn't even count in dating [17:44]
mircea_popescu what, world politics ? forget it. [17:44]
asciilifeform if this were so, it would've ended with vietnam. [17:44]
mircea_popescu it had ended with vietnam. [17:45]
mircea_popescu but then cccp collapsed and the us figured its ww2 v2.0 [17:45]
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asciilifeform [17:46]
ozbot History of U.S. Military Interventions since 1890 [17:46]
mircea_popescu should the recent steps in china's attempts to democratize and capitalize (ie, the opening of bank deposits to risk) explode badly and end china, then the us may figure hey, v3.0! [17:46]
mircea_popescu this is possible, but perhaps improbable. [17:46]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform note the prominent absence of stuff 75-90 [17:47]
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ThickAsThieves [17:52]
ozbot [ActiveMining] Official Shareholder Discussion Thread [Moderated] [17:52]
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mircea_popescu did they find the real pankkake yet ? [17:53]
ThickAsThieves they cant afford to [17:53]
pankkake this is so sad… the few shareholders that still had a brain are all over it [17:53]
pankkake not even asking how much it cost [17:53]
mircea_popescu whoa check this shit out : Posted from - #wDqzUbLiYxa3zutm [17:54]
Duffer1 turns out the slaughters are proudly reselling hashfast boards/chips as fast hash mining gear [17:54]
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pankkake it almost seems like it was paid by the ukyo shares [17:54]
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pankkake and they will likely forget the claims of lost coins on mtgox [17:54]
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pankkake there are multiple reports of refunds by check (and only that way) with misspellings and missing signatures [17:55]
pankkake seriously… [17:55]
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mircea_popescu lol [17:55]
Neil Geez. I've written the beginnings of a bitcoin network node. It downloads and validates all 293400 block headers in 16.544 seconds. [17:56]
mircea_popescu ;;seen cedivad [17:56]
Neil Not the block bodies, of course. [17:56]
gribble cedivad was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 1 hour, 56 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: Mats_cd03: lol; +1 [17:56]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell cedivad is that you with ? [17:56]
gribble The operation succeeded. [17:56]
mircea_popescu Neil that's pretty good. [17:56]
mircea_popescu afaik benkay never got that far :D [17:56]
Neil mircea_popescu: Yeah; was initially connecting to a US node; it took 2 minutes. Looked up a Japan node and it just screams. [17:57]
Duffer1 they botched their own board dev, scrapped their own 48/55/28nm projects, lost 500 coins on gox, outright stole (and admitted to stealing) shares from at least two shareholders, and lied about everything so far [17:57]
mircea_popescu Duffer1 sounds like a solid AAAA+ bitcoin corp [17:57]
mircea_popescu not like those fly-by-night ventures. [17:57]
Duffer1 amazing company! [17:57]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [17:57]
Neil It's a little over 23 MB of data I think [17:57]
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mircea_popescu anyway, mpoe-pr is moving to [17:58]
mircea_popescu [17:58]
ozbot Author’s Jarring Claim: The Stock Market Is ‘Rigged’ | Video | [17:58]
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VanCleef why doesn't hshe hang out on irc? [18:01]
VanCleef make it less of a sausage party [18:01]
mircea_popescu to do what ? [18:02]
pankkake .lk lets you "follow" users. cool [18:03]
pankkake just need a way to import my watchlist now [18:03]
VanCleef a. make it less of a sausage party b. provide some insight on bitcoin securities in real time [18:03]
mircea_popescu pankkake i seriously suggest everyone move. [18:03]
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mircea_popescu thermos & co flea circus needs to end. [18:03]
VanCleef agreed [18:03]
VanCleef i hate thermos [18:03]
mircea_popescu VanCleef she's not better informed than i am you know. she'd just say, "what mp said" all the time. [18:04]
pankkake a bunch of mods are scum too (sorry davout!) [18:04]
VanCleef fair enough [18:04]
VanCleef is she your gf? [18:04]
pankkake I'm still thinking of doing a 4chan-for-bitcoin but I have other better things to do! [18:04]
mircea_popescu up until yest we had this gentleman agreement of sorts that they don't delete the girl's posts and i look the other way on the endless stupid shit they did. [18:04]
pankkake (or other worse things to do I can't avoid) [18:05]
mircea_popescu yesterday that line was broken, and with it... there goes. [18:05]
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mircea_popescu pankkake so do a 4chan, whaty [18:05]
mircea_popescu i ran a chan forever, you can have the backup [18:05]
pankkake there are some open source projects for that apparently [18:06]
mircea_popescu i meant data-wise [18:06]
mircea_popescu be nicely seeded with a bunch of good porn, not the shit ozpot spits out [18:06]
mircea_popescu maybe even write a proper .bait command. [18:06]
pankkake I still wonder how .bait works [18:06]
mircea_popescu pulls for tumblr i imagine [18:06]
pankkake yes, but I can't guess if it looks for tags or whatever, nor which [18:06]
mircea_popescu yea me either. [18:07]
mircea_popescu ;;rated cevidad [18:07]
gribble You have not yet rated user cevidad [18:07]
ThickAsThieves .bait [18:07]
ozbot [18:07]
pankkake anyway, I just wonder how it would turn out when there are no nicknames. maybe everyone will be accused of being MP [18:07]
ThickAsThieves some big brains on that girl [18:07]
mircea_popescu pankkake so it'd be different from now how ? [18:08]
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pankkake eheh :) [18:08]
pankkake by the way, romain put up some new pics: (NSFW) [18:08]
mircea_popescu incidentally, here's a fun story : the original pythagoreans all claimed all their discoveries were made by... pythagora. [18:08]
mircea_popescu which was kinda funny seeing how the guy had been dead for a while. [18:08]
mircea_popescu all through modernity this was recounted as a "look how monastically humble those folks were" sort of tale [18:09]
pankkake reminds me of the communist dictators [18:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8294 @ 0.00095139 = 7.8908 BTC [-] {3} [18:09]
mircea_popescu but looking at bitcointalk, im realising it may have been the converse : to your average monkey of 500bc, anyone with a brain probably looked like the sockpuppet of the one guy with a brain [18:09]
mircea_popescu so they just accused any greek mathematician of "being pythagora" [18:09]
mircea_popescu and it stuck. [18:09]
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ThickAsThieves heh [18:12]
ThickAsThieves anyone happen to know the way to look up a UK business license, ive done it before but now i cant recall how [18:12]
mircea_popescu ;;google look up a UK business license [18:13]
gribble Licence Finder - GOV.UK: ; Get information about a company - GOV.UK: ; Companies House: [18:13]
VanCleef so obamacare website ws a complete fail today [18:13]
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VanCleef [18:14]
ozbot Obamacare Website Fails as Deadline Arrives - NBC News [18:14]
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ThickAsThieves ah that's the one [18:14]
ThickAsThieves [18:14]
ozbot Companies House WebCheck [18:14]
ThickAsThieves i ignored it at first cuz home page was spammy looking [18:14]
ThickAsThieves this one [18:14]
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ThickAsThieves "Free" being a red flag i might be too sensitive to [18:15]
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nubbins` mircea_popescu: what's a defendant risking by participating? his trust rating? that's on the line whether he participates or not! [18:22]
VanCleef jesus fucking christ how many threads does active mining need [18:23]
mircea_popescu nubbins` the judgement, whatever it may be. [18:23]
ThickAsThieves one for each whim of each shareholder VanCleef [18:23]
ThickAsThieves probly needs its own forum [18:23]
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VanCleef lol yeh [18:24]
VanCleef [18:24]
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pankkake oh he deleted it already :( [18:25]
ozbot The following accounts are operated by MPEx exchange and affiliates to discredit their competition. [18:25]
mircea_popescu derp. [18:25]
Apocalyptic "to discredit their competition." // they are already doing a fine job themselves [18:25]
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mircea_popescu Apocalyptic this is really crop of the season stuff. [18:27]
mircea_popescu the EXACT same crap was being peddled by all the people upset that mpoe-pr closed down glbse two years ago. [18:27]
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mircea_popescu they're still around, grumbling. fortunately, they have no btc to show, so it's mostly a vocal exercise. [18:27]
asciilifeform i confess that i wonder when i too will be featured on the 'secret soldier-shills of satanix mpex' lists the lamers are so fond of now. [18:28]
Apocalyptic asciilifeform, you would have to post at bitcointroll for that to happen [18:28]
jayk hmm [18:29]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the reptillian brain is driven by visual cues. so, once you're visible. [18:31]
nubbins` so he's risking a negative judgment, and this is the reason to pull the plug on the whole thing? O_O [18:31]
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nubbins` Hannibal ante portas! [18:31]
mircea_popescu nubbins` if he doesn't trust the court to fairly apportion the fees, he has no reason to trust the court with a farthing. [18:31]
nubbins` no, YOU don't trust the court to fairly apportion the fees [18:32]
mircea_popescu many things in bitcoin are an all or nothing proposition, which is why it's so important to always pick either and stick to it. [18:32]
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mircea_popescu i dun see why exactly you imagine this is personal in any sense. the court as it was failed to do so, that's objective not subjective. [18:32]
jayk the irs needed to stay out of bitcoin [18:33]
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jayk : [18:33]
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nubbins` sure, but the whole thing i was getting at is that the fee structure was flawed from the start, which is why the experiment failed [18:33]
mircea_popescu this would seem to be your pet theory, yes. [18:33]
nubbins` i have yet to see anything to the contrary aside from some hand-waving about absolutes and subjectivity [18:34]
Mats_cd03 luls [18:34]
mircea_popescu [18:35]
ozbot [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings | Page 223 | [18:35]
mircea_popescu "maybe danny is becoming danielle" [18:35]
mircea_popescu epic shit. [18:35]
mircea_popescu nubbins` you don't have to see "anything to the contrary" [18:35]
mircea_popescu that's not how arguments work. [18:35]
pankkake ah, she had the list! [18:35]
nubbins` man has a round hole, a square peg, and a round peg [18:36]
nubbins` square peg doesn't fit, so the hole is flawed [18:36]
mircea_popescu you familiar with the fallacy known as false dilemma ? [18:36]
nubbins` is it where people dance around addressing an issue? :D [18:36]
mircea_popescu (aka fallacy of exhaustive hypotheses) [18:36]
mircea_popescu no, it's where someone proposes he knows all the alternatives, which happen to be two, of which one happens to be something that didn't work in the past and the other happens to be his pet theory. [18:37]
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nubbins` i'm not proposing i know all the alternatives, i'm simply proposing one alternative that avoids the pitfalls of the first failure [18:37]
mircea_popescu one alternative you claim avoids the pitfals you identify. [18:38]
nubbins` consider the statement suitably modified [18:38]
mircea_popescu well, i see not problem with it, but it ain't convincing me. [18:38]
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nubbins` shame to let such a cute baby starve [18:39]
mircea_popescu lol [18:39]
mircea_popescu cute babies starve all teh time, it's the way you feed freedom. [18:39]
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asciilifeform !b 1 [18:39]
assbot Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( [18:39]
bitcoinpete Although some of you've read my latest blog post, I'm going to leave it here quietly for those who haven't: [18:39]
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nubbins` ehhh, for someone who goes on about the sham fiat courts so much, i'm more than a bit surprised you gave up on the idea after the first bump in the road [18:39]
bitcoinpete [18:40]
ozbot Biting Into The WoT Elephant (And IRC Nicknames) | When Bitcoin Met Pete [18:40]
nubbins` but hey, it's your dime [18:40]
mircea_popescu twasnt a bump in the road, twas a major chasm. [18:40]
mircea_popescu i just got better flir vision than you'd expect. [18:40]
nubbins` heaven forbid you build a bridge [18:40]
mircea_popescu whole thing's rotten. [18:40]
chetty the time will come to feed that baby nubbins` , but not yet. [18:40]
benkay wd Neil, can you share your source? [18:40]
nubbins` chetty: well, we're both sidestepping the issue that nobody in btc space is nearly competent enough to serve as a judge of any sort [18:41]
mircea_popescu ^ [18:41]
mircea_popescu no, i'm not sidestepping it lmao. [18:41]
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mircea_popescu it's the fucking problem. citizen judgeship works if your citizenry consists of slave owning educated people [18:41]
mircea_popescu not web denizens [18:41]
chetty there are competent judges, but they can't be bothered [18:41]
nubbins` well i mean "open call for judges" certainly isn't the way to find 'em [18:42]
mircea_popescu the latter argues against the former. what competence of the lazy is this ?! [18:42]
mircea_popescu nubbins` why not ? [18:42]
chetty no lazy, busy [18:42]
mircea_popescu ahahaha she's buying neobee shares with aurora coins ok ok [18:42]
nubbins` mircea_popescu: because you get applications from -assets neckbeards & wizards who want to crawl up your bum [18:43]
nubbins` fun fact, this is not the place where the best and brightest hang out [18:43]
nubbins` far, far from it [18:43]
mircea_popescu nubbins` maybe, but that has nothing to do : if it's not open it's stacked. [18:43]
Apocalyptic nubbins`, what's that place ? [18:44]
asciilifeform meta-nsa. [18:44]
mircea_popescu the solution is to MAKE the best and brightest hang here. [18:44]
nubbins` it's certainly worked so far ;p [18:44]
nubbins` almost as well as putting up a lonely blog post worked at fetching judges [18:45]
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mircea_popescu y so bitter nubsy [18:46]
nubbins` something stuck in my craw, nothing personal [18:46]
nubbins` this isn't the field of dreams -- you have to do more than build it for people to come [18:46]
mircea_popescu weren't you starving babies fifty lines up ? [18:47]
nubbins` about the same time you were dancing around straight answers, yep ;D [18:47]
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nubbins` now, i've gotta get to the post office before this 30cm of freezing rain shows up [18:48]
mircea_popescu Of the crooked eyes of humanity no straight answer was ever perceived. [18:48]
nubbins` have a chew on the fact that rarely in history has "the best thing" ever ended up at the top of the pile purely on its own merits [18:48]
nubbins` unfair as it is, c'est ca [18:48]
chetty [18:48]
ozbot Attempt to deposit fake bonds in Vatican bank [18:48]
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mircea_popescu so am i getting this straight, teh forum is accusing me of backhandedly and undergroundedly manipulating everything while petting my cat and rolling my evil mustachios [18:51]
mircea_popescu whereas irc is accusing me of daydreamingly waiting for things to just happen ? [18:51]
mircea_popescu i want a trophy for this. [18:51]
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asciilifeform 'why does physicist need a wife and a mistress? so that he can tell one that he is with the other, while he runs off to the lab to get some actual work in.' [18:52]
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ThickAsThieves to be fair, ive only ever accussed you of being stubborn and having an acceptably deviant sexual disposition [18:54]
ThickAsThieves i think [18:54]
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ThickAsThieves spelling* [18:55]
mircea_popescu TROPHY!!! [18:55]
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ThickAsThieves you havent issued a trophy process [18:56]
ThickAsThieves how can we give you a trophy [18:56]
ThickAsThieves lazy fuck [18:56]
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ThickAsThieves [18:57]
ozbot Satoshi donated to Dorian fundraiser : Bitcoin [18:57]
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ThickAsThieves satoshi's a cheap mofo [18:57]
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mircea_popescu awww sucks [19:05]
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BingoBoingo [19:06]
ozbot C-word: The Oxford English Dictionary adds several adjectival forms of cunt, including cunted and cu [19:06]
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mircea_popescu cunty ?! [19:07]
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BingoBoingo Well... [19:09]
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mircea_popescu "cunt-bitten" ? like moonstricken ? [19:11]
BingoBoingo Well cunt is the new moon. ATC is headed to the Cunt. [19:12]
ThickAsThieves [19:12]
ozbot Coinbase Apps [19:12]
ThickAsThieves they haz app store now [19:12]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves pretty sure that's not actually satoshi [19:17]
ThickAsThieves mp, question/advice-seeking: for someone wanting to take an "idea" and turn it into a respectable business plan, or at minimum, some sort of white paper spelling out all the pieces, what would be the best way to approach it? the default would be a stream of conciousness writing process to where you can work from what you make to categorize and sort it all, polishing it over and over [19:18]
ThickAsThieves through iteration, but surely you have insight on the matter. [19:18]
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ThickAsThieves maybe you have a trilema link that applies? [19:19]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves well no, a business plan is a commerce thing. you just need to fill in the specified spots. [19:20]
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kow ThickAsThieves, [19:20]
ThickAsThieves so working from a template is sufficient [19:21]
mircea_popescu you familiar with the apostolic five w's ? [19:21]
ThickAsThieves no [19:21]
mircea_popescu i thought you were in journalism ? [19:21]
ThickAsThieves who what when where how? [19:21]
mircea_popescu who what yes [19:21]
mircea_popescu some pope came up with the rule that all reports must be built on this structure [19:21]
mircea_popescu sometime in 600ad [19:21]
ThickAsThieves i was a layout guy at the paper, thrown into editing some cuz i was not so dumb [19:22]
mircea_popescu ah. [19:22]
kow high school newspaper [19:22]
mircea_popescu thinking may be an unstructured process, like say dreaming [19:22]
ThickAsThieves daily rag actually [19:22]
mircea_popescu or it can be a structured process. most industry and a good chunk of science, plus engineering (which includes good reporting and good police investigative work) is structured by this principle. [19:22]
mircea_popescu this isn't a template, but a structure [19:23]
ThickAsThieves ok [19:23]
mircea_popescu (the difference is the same as between the rules of static forces on one hand and the facade of a house on the other) [19:23]
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mircea_popescu (and before anyone lays into me, i'm not really claiming dreaming is unstructured, lay off) [19:24]
ThickAsThieves lol [19:24]
ThickAsThieves that wiki link wasnt quite applicable [19:25]
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chetty ThickAsThieves, helps a lot if you have person to bounce ideas around with [19:25]
ThickAsThieves what i'm truly setting out to do, is determine whether two of my ideas can really work [19:25]
mircea_popescu indeed. and what the bouncer usually has to say is "sucks because what, or sucks because how" etc [19:25]
ThickAsThieves one idea would be much easier to map out, the other less so, but i feel the process would force true determination [19:26]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves well you'll never know if an idea can or can not *really* work. you should aim to get them / see if they can be gotten to the point where qualified people want to find out if they can work. [19:26]
ThickAsThieves i want to convince myself of such [19:26]
mircea_popescu no business plan is a proposition of becoming rich. [19:26]
ThickAsThieves before trying to convince others [19:26]
ThickAsThieves not even about being rich necessarily [19:27]
mircea_popescu all business plans are a delineation of something which may or may not be worth finding out if it woirks. [19:27]
mircea_popescu they're no different from grants, really. [19:27]
ThickAsThieves ok [19:27]
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ThickAsThieves maybe i should enlist my wife then [19:27]
ThickAsThieves she gets grants all the time [19:27]
mircea_popescu she can't hurt anything [19:27]
ThickAsThieves well... [19:27]
mircea_popescu maybe she'll even end up taking you seriously [19:27]
mircea_popescu once she actually groks wtf it is. [19:28]
ThickAsThieves that is quite possible [19:28]
ThickAsThieves just got an email that RENT SPO is on [19:29]
ThickAsThieves they did indeed conduct it as i guessed [19:30]
ThickAsThieves halted the normal market, and opened the Buy IPO page to only buy new shares [19:31]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 8 @ 0.015945 = 0.1276 BTC [+] [19:31]
dexX7 "Final Balance -221.60279421 BTC" >_> [19:32]
ozbot Bitcoin Address 1N2f642sbgCMbNtXFajz9XDACDFnFzdXzV [19:32]
Mats_cd03 ThickAsThieves: RS second round? [19:32]
ThickAsThieves what's that dexx7? [19:33]
ThickAsThieves Mats, 3rd or 4th round by my count [19:33]
dexX7 bc.i seems to be broken again.. a wallet with negative balance [19:34]
ThickAsThieves ah [19:34]
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ThickAsThieves are you sure it's not just a dumb display method? [19:35]
ThickAsThieves like there are doublespends unconfirmed and affecting total [19:35]
ThickAsThieves or the like [19:35]
dexX7 i never saw something like this [19:36]
ThickAsThieves seems to be a hevaily used addy [19:36]
dexX7 true [19:36]
Apocalyptic bc.i has been broken for some time [19:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12995 @ 0.0009553 = 12.4141 BTC [+] [19:39]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12807 @ 0.00095104 = 12.18 BTC [-] {2} [19:40]
mircea_popescu lol pretty lulzy. [19:41]
mircea_popescu just means the "total available" figure is broken really. [19:41]
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pLambert anybody want to guess odds that NEOBEE produces a financial statement within the next week? [19:43]
mircea_popescu i don't see anything substantially wrong with your 1.4% [19:43]
pLambert heh, you saw that? [19:43]
mircea_popescu twas in tje digests [19:44]
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pLambert At least I have my MPEx based investments to offset all the losses from other places :/ [19:45]
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mircea_popescu lmao what have i become ;/ [19:46]
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mircea_popescu [19:46]
ozbot [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings | Page 224 | [19:46]
mircea_popescu she's really sticking it to them isn't she [19:46]
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mircea_popescu tho perhaps i should say him. that thread's basically reduced to one guy spazzing out and a bunch of people milking him for lulz. [19:47]
pLambert you better be careful or they are going to hire her out from under you ... or not [19:47]
mircea_popescu funny, they don't want to splurge 30 on a mpex reg, but they do want to spend 35 on the mpoe-pr. [19:48]
mircea_popescu which, from all the reviews i've read so far, is really very bad and useless pr doing me a huge disservice. [19:48]
pLambert I think they only offered 3, she said she wouldn't do it for 35 [19:48]
benkay !t h rent [19:49]
assbot [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00666000 / 0.00729929 / 0.00750000 (861 shares, 6.28468898 BTC), 7D: 0.00525030 / 0.00635969 / 0.00750000 (5354 shares, 34.04980275 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00566124 / 0.00900001 (46815 shares, 265.03101440 BTC) [19:49]
mircea_popescu [19:49]
ozbot [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings | Page 224 | [19:49]
mircea_popescu looks like there were two people or something. [19:49]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00094936 = 3.7974 BTC [-] [19:50]
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mircea_popescu jurov pankkake [19:52]
ThickAsThieves the forum has become beyond useless [19:54]
novusordo the only thing I use the forum for nowadays is following updates from friedcat and the trezor fellows [19:55]
novusordo and even then I just have automatic alerts to let me know when they post stuff [19:55]
mircea_popescu i use it as a sort of daytime sitcom [19:55]
ThickAsThieves i cant gather that kind of joy from it [19:55]
pankkake well yes it's the "martin" jurov talked about [19:56]
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mircea_popescu aha [19:57]
mircea_popescu the unpaid invoices part seemed novel. [19:57]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves and why not ? [19:58]
benkay "Modern media exacerbate the challenge of sorting reality from orchestrated perception." [19:58]
ThickAsThieves for the same reason i cant enjoy Rush Limbaugh i think [19:58]
mircea_popescu which one is that [19:59]
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ThickAsThieves the pill-popping conservative radio sensatinalist [19:59]
ThickAsThieves it's just embarassing i the thougth of people taking it seriously compounds that [19:59]
mircea_popescu " Limbaugh is among the highest paid people in U.S. media, signing a contract in 2008 for $400 million through 2016.[" [20:00]
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ThickAsThieves yeah the liberals listen to gawk, the idiots listen to fistpump [20:01]
asciilifeform wait, the american zhirinovsky ?! [20:01]
[KS] novusordo: [20:01]
mircea_popescu lol he actually fistpumps ? [20:01]
ThickAsThieves no [20:01]
ThickAsThieves i just mean they want their ignorance validated [20:01]
asciilifeform (or would that be glenn beck) [20:01]
ThickAsThieves and nourished [20:01]
ThickAsThieves yeah glenn beck is worse probly [20:01]
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ThickAsThieves when i read the forums i cant help but think some % is accepting these people as reality [20:02]
mircea_popescu does he say anything specific other than obama is bad and the country is going to shit ? [20:02]
ThickAsThieves whatever gets the pickup-driving racists to feel good (and buy gold), he says [20:03]
jurov that's lulzy, martin/forensick uses bitcoin burza avatar too [20:03]
mircea_popescu both of these being fairly uncontroversial and apparently the entire bag of tricks of us conservative pundits [20:03]
ThickAsThieves trolling itself is something ive never quite been able to fully digest [20:04]
mircea_popescu you're probably too old. [20:04]
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ThickAsThieves i also dislike april fool's day fwiw [20:05]
ThickAsThieves get off my lawn! [20:05]
mircea_popescu lol [20:05]
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mircea_popescu i don't recall the last time someone gathered the guts to try and play a trick on me, [20:05]
mircea_popescu but i do recall what i did to them. [20:05]
MisterE [20:05]
ozbot Edison Echoed as U.S. Court Looks at Software Patents - Businessweek [20:05]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10680 @ 0.00095381 = 10.1867 BTC [+] {2} [20:06]
ThickAsThieves u dot s dot? [20:06]
ThickAsThieves lol [20:06]
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mircea_popescu "Software makers led by Microsoft Corp. (MSFT:US) say overly strict limits would reduce incentives to develop cutting-edge programs that detect when a car airbag should deploy or let people alter photographs." [20:07]
mircea_popescu ahahaha so much lol packed in one sentence [20:07]
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ThickAsThieves ack it hurts [20:07]
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ThickAsThieves who let the people photochop!? [20:08]
ThickAsThieves let my peepho go! [20:08]
ThickAsThieves meanwhile MS is the definition of photo-editing jokes [20:08]
ThickAsThieves MS Paint [20:08]
mircea_popescu i tell you, really good sentence. [20:09]
ThickAsThieves parody v reality aint looking so good for reality [20:09]
mircea_popescu “Switch just two people— the battalion commander and command sergeant major—from the best battalion with those of the worst, and within ninety days the relative effectiveness of the battalions will have switched as well,” I’d say. I still believe I was correct. [20:10]
novusordo [KS]: i've seen that, I have my own script I wrote before that came around that sends me a text message when he posts [20:10]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 30 @ 0.0075 = 0.225 BTC [+] [20:10]
novusordo it's nice because i can just use it for any forum member [20:10]
asciilifeform 'f Edison were alive today, he would be writing his inventions in software.' << multilayer trololol [20:10]
mircea_popescu if elvis were alive today, his name'd be fiona and he'd be doing my laundry. [20:11]
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novusordo are there any good historical sources of mpex data besides @MPEX1 on twitter? i'm not finding much for historical volume [20:12]
ThickAsThieves as long as he'll still sing at weddings! [20:12]
ThickAsThieves novusordo, i think still works [20:12]
mircea_popescu also this chan, and iirc kakobrekla was selling the whole history db [20:12]
asciilifeform afaik the man invented exactly two things - phonograph and... patent trolling [20:12]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform indeed. [20:13]
mircea_popescu so he'd be writing his inventions... in flash. [20:13]
novusordo ThickAsThieves: it seems to stop for most assets in october of 2013 for me... not sure why [20:13]
asciilifeform although... [20:14]
asciilifeform ;;google paleophone [20:14]
gribble Charles Cros - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Paleophone: ; Charles Cros: [20:14]
novusordo i'm looking for historical data that I can crunch [20:14]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 36 @ 0.06068899 = 2.1848 BTC [-] {8} [20:14]
ThickAsThieves buy it from kako [20:14]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0561 = 0.1122 BTC [-] [20:16]
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novusordo oh, the socket seems to have what i'm looking for [20:19]
novusordo didn't see it before [20:19]
novusordo herp [20:19]
mircea_popescu probably more adequate for high volume processing too. [20:19]
jurov novusordo, because live.coinbr started in october 2013. afaik socked uses there data, too [20:20]
jurov *these historical data [20:20]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.10144642 = 0.2029 BTC [-] [20:20]
jurov for surrent data, it hace dedicated mpex interface [20:20]
jurov amazing no one collected them before [20:21]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [20:21]
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asciilifeform from the loltron: [20:27]
asciilifeform [20:27]
ozbot As Cash Use Drops, Do Crime Rates Follow? - Businessweek [20:27]
mircea_popescu on pravda today : "Does socialism increase the welfare of the worker ?" [20:28]
asciilifeform ;;google the cause and cure of earthquakes [20:29]
gribble The Cause and Cure of Earthquakes - General Board of Global ...: ; Charles Wesley on 'The cause and cure of earthquakes ...: ; Charles Wesley, "The Cause and Cure of Earthquakes" 1750: (1 more message) [20:29]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 20000 @ 0.0001201 = 2.402 BTC [-] {12} [20:38]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 26 @ 0.0075 = 0.195 BTC [+] [20:38]
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thestringpuller ;;google mpoe march 2014 [20:50]
gribble MPOE, February 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: ; MPOE, January 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: ; MPEx pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: [20:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0075 = 0.15 BTC [+] [20:51]
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ThickAsThieves [20:51]
ThickAsThieves "Within 30 minutes, I was able to gather 400 unique email addresses, distinctively associated with Bitcoins" [20:51]
ThickAsThieves [20:51]
mircea_popescu lol [20:53]
mircea_popescu excellent opportunity for coinbase to display some pr. [20:53]
ThickAsThieves "Cuomo Gives Tesla (TSLA) A New York Direct-Sell Pass" [20:53]
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novusordo i'm having a hard time understanding what 'username' and 'pass' I'm supposed to supply the mpex socket with... [20:53]
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ThickAsThieves the one you purchased [20:54]
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novusordo oh, that's what you meant by "buy it from kako" i assume [20:56]
ThickAsThieves yessir [20:56]
ThickAsThieves you contact him, pay, then he creates access account [20:57]
ThickAsThieves afaik [20:57]
ThickAsThieves "New regulation requires all cars to have rear-view cameras by 2018" [20:57]
ThickAsThieves When will eyes be required on the back of my head to walk? [20:57]
asciilifeform 'new regulation requires all cars to have arseview cameras by 2028' [20:57]
kanzure backwards google glass [20:57]
novusordo surely that means all NEW cars, right? [20:58]
kanzure someone should run one of the mtgox email address dumps through that coinbase api endpoint [20:58]
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mircea_popescu kanzure generally s/someone/i/ [20:58]
kanzure yeah i should do it [20:59]
mircea_popescu a generally available index of "idiots involved in Bitcoin" is a good thing. [20:59]
kanzure i'm sure it's going to be the same users [20:59]
kanzure yes [20:59]
mircea_popescu it'd hurt the idiots, but their pain and suffering is required to build greatness. [20:59]
kanzure it wont hurt them any more than they've already hurt themselves [20:59]
mircea_popescu exactly. [21:00]
kanzure remember, they intentionally signed up to coinbase [21:00]
kanzure and even mtgox [21:00]
mircea_popescu but it's not ok to let them suffer in silence and privacy., [21:00]
mircea_popescu they must be displayed for the general public, so the general public may learn that idiocy has consequences. [21:00]
mircea_popescu *painful* consequences. [21:00]
kanzure i dunno about that. that's more thought than i'm willing to put into it. [21:00]
mircea_popescu there's also that. [21:01]
asciilifeform what'd be the punishment here? more load for their spam filters? [21:01]
mircea_popescu public ridicule [21:01]
kanzure being phished for the rest of eternity [21:01]
mircea_popescu "you claim to be a human being, but you are actually subhuman, because look :" [21:01]
kanzure basically everyone in that 2011 mtgox dump is target for phishing [21:01]
kanzure and if they signed up to coinbase, it's doubly so [21:02]
mircea_popescu kanzure how exactly did you form this opinion on coinbase ? [21:02]
asciilifeform phish neither picks your pockets nor breaks yer bones, unless one is stupid [21:02]
kanzure mircea_popescu: huh? [21:02]
mircea_popescu "and if they signed up to coinbase, it's doubly so" [21:02]
kanzure mircea_popescu: i mean they are a target for phishing if they also signed up for coinbase [21:02]
mircea_popescu a a [21:03]
asciilifeform for what it's worth, i had (empty) accounts on both. [21:03]
kanzure mircea_popescu: because they have trouble discriminating between good bitcoin ideas and poor bitcoin ideas ("hand over bitcoins to a third-party") [21:03]
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kanzure asciilifeform: that's worth at least something.. [21:03]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform amusingly, i had accounts on neither, but that doesn't prevent people from trying to phish and etc [21:03]
kanzure oh have you gotten phishing emails targeted to you? [21:04]
kanzure that's curious [21:04]
mircea_popescu i think there must exist somewhere people doing email spiderin by hgand [21:04]
Mats_cd03 attacking a form without a rate limit... how has coinbase gone this long with this problem? [21:04]
mircea_popescu kanzure i was just writing about one as ThickAsThieves posted that link [21:04]
ThickAsThieves probly multi-part teams, with one guy assigned to high-value targets [21:05]
mircea_popescu Mats_cd03 cuz nobody srsly cares about em ? [21:05]
ThickAsThieves he's the one working by hand [21:05]
asciilifeform to all spammers: the folks still using btc-related-whatevers on winblows are in dire need of your loving personal attention. [21:06]
Mats_cd03 the next thing that poster is going to say in a week is, the password reset form doesnt have a rate limit either and oops, a quarter of the accounts have been looted cause an attacker bruteforced the idiots [21:06]
kanzure well they have rate limits on amount of bitcoin they can send at a time on coinbase because of how they claim their cold storage system works [21:07]
Mats_cd03 yc needs better security experts on their staff [21:07]
kanzure so at minimum they have to pretend they have limits in order to not reveal that their cold storage sytsem isn't cold [21:07]
ThickAsThieves but jesus antonopoulis says it's sufficiently chilly [21:08]
ThickAsThieves or was that blockchain? [21:08]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11541 @ 0.00094925 = 10.9553 BTC [-] {2} [21:13]
nanotube benkay: the implication would be that output would be sorted by volume? :) [21:14]
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Mats_cd03 [21:28]
ozbot Are Aircraft Carriers the New West Berlin? [21:28]
Mats_cd03 interesting idea, there, about playing chicken with national security [21:29]
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mircea_popescu [21:33]
ozbot Spam and malware, let’s be cool together. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [21:33]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'he either buys a beer for whatever famished kid working in whatever poor quality “website design shop” to obtain credentials, or perhaps just simply is the famished kid in question' << sadder than that. the creds typically come from an idiot inside a given shop who bit a trojan hook himself. [21:37]
mircea_popescu also possible, yes. [21:37]
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mircea_popescu in this case, i doubt the people working at the ro firm actually have access to the server tho [21:37]
asciilifeform spam behaves just like other 'multilevel' crapola, in that the objective is typically... to find more places to send spam from. [21:37]
mircea_popescu for reasons of sheer ineptitude [21:37]
mircea_popescu ie, managing excel is a demanding intellectual task. [21:38]
asciilifeform all one needs is to pwn one machine from which someone at least occasionally logs on to the box [21:38]
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mircea_popescu but that's what im saying [21:38]
mircea_popescu the box was never logged into, ever. [21:38]
mircea_popescu look at that website. [21:38]
nubbins` i don't want my airbag to have the power to decide whether i'm allowed to alter photographs :( [21:39]
mircea_popescu it was made sometime in 200x, never to be touched again [21:39]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'For Science' (tm) post the sha of payload [21:39]
mircea_popescu nubbins` it's worse than that. the lolcats have the power to decide if your airbang opens [21:40]
mircea_popescu i can forward you the entire thing if you're curious [21:40]
asciilifeform lolcats decide if your... throttle opens. [21:40]
asciilifeform dollars to doughbuts, sha will suffice. [21:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8250 @ 0.00094833 = 7.8237 BTC [-] [21:40]
mircea_popescu heck, let me send you a list of this shit :D [21:40]
Mats_cd03 i'll take a copy of the zip if you'd upload it [21:41]
nubbins` new regulation requires all cars to have under-the-nuts-view cameras by 2015 [21:41]
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mircea_popescu you can have a fwd, pm an email. [21:42]
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ThickAsThieves [21:55]
ozbot Looks like Darkwallet was a scam [x-post TheHub] : Bitcoin [21:55]
the20year2 lies [21:55]
mircea_popescu lol [21:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53650 @ 0.00094826 = 50.8741 BTC [-] {3} [21:56]
pankkake [21:57]
ozbot Report: RSA endowed crypto product with second NSA-influenced code | Ars Technica [21:57]
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asciilifeform pankkake: seems like just more crap re: EC_DRBG [21:58]
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benkay ThickAsThieves: software is hard. whocouldanode. [22:01]
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asciilifeform benkay: software isn't hard. let's not go shopping. [22:01]
benkay man this is what i have to say to people who crowdfund software: [22:01]
benkay sure, it's never the actual software. [22:02]
benkay it's the estimation, constraints, fractal nature of coastline, overreaching ambitions, unmanaged expectations... [22:02]
asciilifeform ...and folks who don't even bother, and scamplan from beginning. [22:03]
benkay i want to ship a shitload of features! it's going to cost 500B. [22:03]
asciilifeform 'i promise to ship a shitload of xxxx. send me xxxB.' [22:04]
benkay another thing is, as i said to my colleague recently re a contractor: "ain't nobody motivated by money in the bank." [22:04]
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mircea_popescu now that's definitely a thing. [22:05]
mircea_popescu "There is an empirical problem with the debate over United States military strategy towards China: aircraft carriers are “dead,” but they can still be seen patrolling the Western Pacific." [22:05]
benkay this is very similar to the constant ongoing mining fiasco and how product tends to get delivered (in my extremely limited experience): "you ship a thing. it shows up on my door. if it works, 30 days later i send you a check. otherwise, get out of my face." [22:05]
mircea_popescu well obviously. the us can't quite afford to abandon the notion [22:06]
mircea_popescu benkay sounds a lot like a mp quote :D [22:06]
benkay this in fact is how we run our shop. we sit down, figure out what crazy ideas you have, how to make them into an actual thing, and then work on it at a predetermined rate for a period of time. [22:06]
benkay then we bill you. [22:06]
benkay "great artists steal" [22:06]
benkay fifteen days after the postmark date, we expect to see remuneration. [22:06]
benkay that's essentially net 45. think of the float you could be making on our backs! [22:07]
mircea_popescu lol myeah. [22:07]
joecool that's basically groupon's business model [22:07]
joecool except they don't do anything but hold the money for awhile and gamble before paying the merchants [22:08]
mircea_popescu more complicated than that. the groupon business model was basically to try and create a scale advantage on both ends. [22:10]
mircea_popescu specifically : supermarkets exist to scam consumers, because the supermarket is large, so it can tell any small farmer to stfu and get lost [22:10]
mircea_popescu and it can similarly tell any town dweller to stfu and starve. [22:10]
mircea_popescu this allows them to buy everything very cheap and sell it as expensive as they want. [22:10]
mircea_popescu this is sam walton's business idea, really. [22:10]
the20year2 The reason they exist is because the consumers demanded year-round goods [22:11]
mircea_popescu many lines aren't amenable to the supermarket model, but groupon tried to bring them into the same economics. [22:11]
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mircea_popescu had it succeeded to make it so "all the buyers are on groupon", it's model of "give us everything for free" would have worked on the merchants. [22:11]
mircea_popescu and vice-versa, of course. [22:12]
joecool it still works for some merchants that don't have access to their own in-house mailing list [22:12]
joecool to gain exposure, it's just not as big as hoped for [22:12]
mircea_popescu the20year2 moreover, that's phase 2 material. obviously the supermarket can train the clueless consumer in a number of ways to build a moat around itself. [22:13]
mircea_popescu but this recent "can't eat an apple with a spot" neurosis is not naturally occuring in human populations. [22:13]
the20year2 Certainly is if the population is to continue to grow, if you continue on with less efficient methods of food delivery people starve [22:14]
mircea_popescu meanwhile, independent romanian farmers sell 5% milk for 0.5 lei, and 1.5% milk is on sale in the supermarkets for... 6 lei. [22:14]
mircea_popescu that's a 95% margin for the supermarket. [22:14]
the20year2 Median supermarket margins in the US are 15% [22:14]
mircea_popescu the20year2 that data is corrupted, and milk is a fine example. [22:15]
mircea_popescu try and make a farm selling milk at cost +15% in say california. [22:15]
mircea_popescu (they recently had a case about how illegal all this is) [22:16]
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jurov oh, we have better rackets [22:18]
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jurov billa moves unsold produce from austria here [22:18]
jurov and sells it here for higher price [22:18]
jurov every time i'm shopping in austria i must fight rage, everything is really fresher [22:19]
mircea_popescu lol [22:19]
mircea_popescu i don't think i've ever bouight supermarket-anything [22:21]
mircea_popescu but it's fucking ridiculous that i have to maintain a private supply network in fucking 2014 [22:21]
mircea_popescu you'd think it's 1984 all over again or some shit. [22:21]
benkay or 1300 [22:22]
benkay your castle needs a supply chain [22:22]
benkay what's so novel about that? [22:22]
benkay the rest of us grub in the dirt for spuds. [22:22]
benkay doesn't sound so novel. [22:22]
mircea_popescu yes well for crying out loud. [22:23]
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jurov fortunately, farmers sell over internet now [22:25]
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benkay vegetables in the mail for bitcoin [22:27]
benkay also stop spraying veggies with water [22:27]
benkay fucking stupid. [22:27]
benkay "fresh!" [22:27]
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mircea_popescu [22:37]
ozbot Sequestration Will Hollow Our Military [22:37]
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mircea_popescu "On alert, this tattered, morally compromised army was to clear post in under an hour, move to its defensive positions on the West German border with the Warsaw Pact, fight outnumbered five to one and win. Such odds were daunting." [22:38]
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the20year2 your point? [22:40]
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mircea_popescu that the us army at no point past ww2 had a standing chance in europe. [22:41]
the20year2 Very much correct, it was always assumed to go nuclear within 24hrs of the outbreak of conflict [22:41]
mircea_popescu yeah, that's what the planning mostly planned for. [22:42]
mircea_popescu anyway, just some retired something or the other harping about how expensive and hard it is. [22:43]
the20year2 to secure europe from the evil russian bear? [22:43]
benkay blackwater will eventually own texas, much like the roman mercs ate the empire. [22:43]
thestringpuller no march MPOE statement? [22:43]
pLambert "In 1974, one could easily find company-sized organizations in U.S. Army Europe" wth does the US have so many troops in Europe? [22:43]
the20year2 To prevent steamrolling of western europe from Wpac [22:44]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller since the option thing is ended ima report it end of month line normal assets. [22:44]
jurov thestringpuller MPOE is suspended [22:44]
benkay no options, no statement, thestringpuller. who cares, anyways? it's a scam under investigation by the SEC. doomed, I tell you (to enjoy the new scion TC!) [22:44]
mircea_popescu pLambert i suspect it was part of the marshall plan [22:44]
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pLambert and a corrolary: why do we STILL have so many troops in Europe? [22:44]
mircea_popescu because yougotta pay to play. [22:45]
mircea_popescu if some guy in my neighbourhood decided to go around telling everyone he's the bestest there is, i'd also expect him to send a nubile young woman around for purposes with some frequency. [22:45]
the20year2 benkay: what stock? [22:46]
Mats_cd03 funny enough, some countries wont admit to liking having american troops on their soil [22:46]
mircea_popescu course not. [22:46]
Mats_cd03 but they like having american money flowing into local economies [22:46]
Mats_cd03 laugh [22:46]
the20year2 arms exports/imports is a nice money maker [22:46]
benkay keybase blowback ramping up: [22:47]
benkay the20year2: logs, man. gotta read 'em. sometimes just like 20 lines back. [22:47]
pLambert this guy bitching about "sequestration", has the US defense budget actually gone down at all? I thought we were still spending more every year? [22:47]
mircea_popescu pLambert nop but he has a point. it went down very little overall but it cut very badly. [22:48]
the20year2 guess i'm just not seeing it [22:48]
the20year2 pLambert: yes, it's set to diminish by a decent amount due to iraq, afghanistan and drawdowns [22:48]
benkay in inflationary regime, static budgets are cuts, pLambert [22:49]
the20year2 Granted, in my personal opinion (As controversial as it is), it's like every other government program, cutting things that are important, expanding things that buy votes [22:49]
pLambert And he thinks we should spend just as much, even though we are not actually fighting anybody? [22:49]
the20year2 The budget is 600-650b, and they want to decrease it to around 500b [22:49]
mircea_popescu benkay wait, that's not your girl, is it ? [22:49]
pLambert grr, politics makes me angry [22:49]
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the20year2 By reducing manpower, officer corps, cutting basic programs, ect [22:50]
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mircea_popescu pLambert his intuition is correct, in that the us has no economy, and no technical ability. cutting the army is like cutting its own throat. [22:50]
benkay mircea_popescu: naw man i like 'em effeminate and making dinner not deep in the server room. [22:50]
the20year2 Which I have a problem with, when programs like LCS and the F35 are front and center taking up significant sums of money for low results [22:50]
bounce re minimum crime, how does upping the crime rate increase the incentive not to go into crime? [22:50]
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mircea_popescu bounce take whores. if there's a whore on every corner and prices are low, is your pretty daughter more likely or less likely to start cutting class for to taking it up the tail ? [22:51]
pLambert is F35 the one which was designed to fight against russians and has never been used? [22:51]
mircea_popescu yeah. [22:51]
mircea_popescu and by the latest reports couldn't fight against the russians even if it wanted to. [22:52]
the20year2 The airplane that does nothing more than the plane we built in the early 90s for $200m/unit [22:52]
bounce dunno. "everyone's doing it, it's fun!" appears to be a powerful motivator. [22:52]
mircea_popescu but that's not the real edge. the guy selling it to her is more likely to not bother, is the real edge. [22:52]
mircea_popescu thinking the girl acts of her own volition is a little rich. [22:53]
Mats_cd03 i rather appreciate whats being done with the f35 personally [22:53]
mircea_popescu Mats_cd03 how's that go ? [22:53]
the20year2 compared to the f22/yf23? [22:53]
mircea_popescu benkay so maybe tell her about this marvelous wot thing we got ? liz i mean. [22:53]
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Mats_cd03 maybe in 30 years we'll be fielding Transformers models of Starscream [22:53]
Mats_cd03 (yes i know starscream is an f-15) [22:54]
bounce whether it's her girlish friends pulling her in or a pimp looking for more meat to sell is a different mechanism but with the same effect; question then is which'll be stronger [22:54]
jurov i heard funny hypothesis that f35 is chinese inside job to bleed usg dry [22:54]
Mats_cd03 well no i think the project is cool and i dont have a lot of problems with pouring R&D money into potentially useful technology [22:54]
the20year2 corrupt politicians vying for money to their districts makes alot more sense [22:54]
bounce likewise, getting robbed often enough is a strong incentive to no longer run a shop (or at least not here, or maybe not a jeweller but a gunsmith, who knows) [22:54]
Mats_cd03 even if its basically a laundry list of cool shit we want our super plane to have [22:54]
the20year2 I'm curious what signfiicant tech the f35 produces that the f22/f35 didn't have [22:54]
mircea_popescu bounce and wide availability and a commodified market reduces the pull. [22:55]
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Mats_cd03 well, vtol for one [22:55]
mircea_popescu a vtol fighter jet ? srsly ? [22:55]
Mats_cd03 or for that matter, svtol [22:55]
mircea_popescu why not make it submersible ? [22:55]
bounce it'll be inferior to the harrier, like as not. [22:55]
Mats_cd03 that'd be awesome, we should do that next [22:56]
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bounce thunderbirds are go! [22:56]
mircea_popescu how about also making it cockshaped ? [22:56]
Mats_cd03 balla balla [22:56]
mircea_popescu a submersible flying penis with missiles. [22:56]
jurov it should be able to to burrow, too [22:56]
mircea_popescu i would imagine that's how it lands. [22:57]
bounce yeah no, I don't think it's straight up incentive, or at least not as strong as implied as there's strong pull the other way too. eg gangs don't extinguish themselves [22:57]
Mats_cd03 anyway, not all the f-35 series planes are the same [22:57]
Mats_cd03 e.g. one (two?) isnt a fighter jet [22:58]
bounce f35 is a brilliant scam, actually. getting permission to deliver production planes when the prototype hasn't had its maiden flight [22:58]
Mats_cd03 f-35 is useful for air to surface, whereas f-22 is designed for air to air [22:58]
Mats_cd03 it has had its maiden flight... a long time ago [22:58]
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mircea_popescu bounce it's a balance point. the whole idea is that stable situations are stable, and derivation from that mean is unstable. [22:58]
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mircea_popescu nothing much harder than that. [22:59]
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Mats_cd03 VTOL [22:59]
ozbot First F-35B Vertical Takeoff Test | [23:00]
bounce oh I get the point that there'll be some equilibrium or other (pterry's vetinary letting the crime guild regulate the crime) but I don't think the equation is that simple [23:00]
bounce s/ary/ari/ [23:00]
Mats_cd03 is so majestic *tear [23:00]
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mircea_popescu bounce inasmuch as it's not even an equation. [23:01]
mircea_popescu but in general, the crime guild does much better a job of regulating crime than any other guild. [23:01]
mircea_popescu the usual problem is that there's no capable criminals to make a guild in the first place, nothing else. [23:01]
bounce alright, an inequality, and there's an epsilon, but sheesh. [23:02]
jurov wait, the VTO is only for short distance move? [23:02]
bounce leadership isn't easy to come by, no. random democratic and/or republican countries haven't managed it in a long time for the usual positions either [23:02]
mircea_popescu right. [23:03]
asciilifeform 'keybase' is still alive!? [23:03]
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jurov such fail. two heli blades would likely be lighter and more efficient [23:03]
asciilifeform what does it need to do, fly the 'full spectrum dominance' squid flag? [23:03]
ThickAsThieves MArck Cuban is a finance expert now? [23:03]
ThickAsThieves “The risk isn’t so much about the small investor,” Mr. Cuban said. “The risk is all these different high-frequency traders playing a game with their algorithms, trying to trick each other, to get in front of each other to make that trade. [23:03]
ThickAsThieves “And because we don’t know all the algorithms, because we don’t know the end factorial and all of the different ways they may interact, there are negative consequences that occur as a result. That introduces a market risk. That market risk has an unquantifiable cost. We saw it in one instance with the flash crash. We see it every day with little mini-flash crashes.” [23:03]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform liz is a naive chick. [23:03]
Mats_cd03 jurov for some relative value of short, it doesnt go very far and i dont think you can carry much of a payload either [23:03]
asciilifeform [23:04]
Mats_cd03 its certainly not as efficient as the chinook [23:04]
bounce if I'd wanted to be mean I'd point out that the space shuttle looked spiffy enough but didn't do a very good job of shuttling, n'mind at a suitably low price tag. not that hard to argue it set humanity's progress toward colonising space back a good score years or so. [23:04]
Mats_cd03 (fastest fixed-wing craft in the army iirc due to two rotors) [23:05]
bounce the f35 is made of the same sort of undeliverium [23:05]
mircea_popescu bounce do argue. [23:06]
asciilifeform shitanium chassis, unobtainium semiconductors... [23:06]
Mats_cd03 if murica didnt want politicians building airplanes, they shoudnt have elected politicians to build airplanes [23:06]
bounce where's that piece reporting on the incoming chief de mission that dug a bit and found fscktons of rot? [23:06]
kakobrekla kakobrekla: the brick and mortar trick is still something new in btcland << hardly. mtgox had them, bitcoin foundation had them (before running of to the uk at any rate) < perhaps, but thats is not the reason people fell for them [23:07]
mircea_popescu true, true. [23:07]
mircea_popescu as a selling point it's perhaps innovative. surely beats ken slaughter's garage. [23:08]
kakobrekla yes [23:08]
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bounce explains it better than I could. if reduced at absurdum it's inevitably too expensive to ever fly well, and it very much looks like lockheed martin deliberately aimed for that because a project that looks it'll succeed Real Soon Now but never really does is the ultimate goose with the golden eggs for the military industrial complex [23:09]
mircea_popescu bounce in the end this isn't such a very good argument. [23:11]
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kakobrekla kako, it was me that suggested the wiki and categories, thx for making it < get to werk then! [23:14]
mircea_popescu Like the US garrison in West Berlin, aircraft carriers are relatively defenseless, but they have a separate function as a highly visible warning about US resolve. Today, a strategy of mobile “tripwires” is neither credible nor prudent, but it is worth studying because it may actually be implemented. [23:15]
mircea_popescu Specifically, our bargaining chip against Beijing is to make things uncomfortably apocalyptic. The point is less what the carrier can do and more what an attack on it promises—full retaliation, and a war that may quickly get out of hand. As ASPI analyst Harry White observed last month [11], “the idea is that anyone who attacks as valuable an asset as a US carrier should expect a significant response.” Internation [23:15]
mircea_popescu ally, a successful strike would deeply wound American prestige, especially if it went unanswered. Domestically, the deaths of six thousand crewmembers would generate almost unbearable political pressures for revenge. Our entries into WWII and the Global War on Terror were sparked by less. [23:15]
mircea_popescu this is basically... cruisin' for a bruisin'. [23:15]
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asciilifeform 'It was he who invented [23:20]
asciilifeform _Leviathan_, America's first (and last) nuclear-powered land aircraft carrier. [23:20]
asciilifeform _Leviathan_ was the most successful commercial defense project ever; it ended [23:20]
asciilifeform up costing every man, woman and child in the United States over twenty grand. [23:20]
asciilifeform The idea of a land ship of that size may seem ridiculous now, but it was [23:20]
asciilifeform then the right project at the right time. Two big aircraft manufacturers were [23:20]
asciilifeform enthusiastic (carriers mean planes), so was a large nuclear ship-engine firm. [23:20]
asciilifeform The major ship-building and steel companies were behind it, as were several of [23:20]
asciilifeform the largest unions, then the senators and congressmen from every state where [23:20]
asciilifeform any subcontractors might fall. [23:20]
asciilifeform The _USS Leviathan_ would not be anything like an ordinary carrier. It [23:20]
asciilifeform would be a monster platform, some fifty miles across and equal in area to the [23:20]
asciilifeform state of Delaware. It would launch both missiles and planes of all types, and [23:20]
asciilifeform it would be capable of fast movement around the countryside. [23:20]
asciilifeform In the first design, _Leviathan_ was to run on wheels, thus promoting [23:20]
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asciilifeform the interests of a large rubber company. But the number of tires required [23:20]
asciilifeform turned out to be 135 million, plus spares (a tire change would be needed every [23:20]
asciilifeform hundred yards). Unless a complete rubber factory were taken on board#one of [23:20]
asciilifeform the alternative suggestions#the entire ship would have to hover. Grumbling, [23:20]
asciilifeform the rubber company settled for a contract to provide the giant hovercraft [23:21]
asciilifeform skirt required. [23:21]
asciilifeform Both houses of Congress shoved through the necessary legislation. There [23:21]
asciilifeform were objections that _Leviathan_ would cost too much, would be a sitting duck, [23:21]
asciilifeform would devastate any land over which it happened to hover. But by now the Armywanted it as badly as any of the dozens of states, thousands of companies and [23:21]
asciilifeform millions of workers. The combined force of industrial, political, military and [23:21]
asciilifeform commercial arguments rolled the project over all opposition as one day [23:21]
asciilifeform _Leviathan_ itself would crush down anything in its path. One junior Senator [23:21]
asciilifeform who continued to oppose it was sent on a factfinding mission to Antarctica [23:21]
asciilifeform while the bill was railroaded through. [23:21]
asciilifeform From the start, there were problems called "teething troubles". The fans [23:21]
asciilifeform which were to lift the craft were at first too weak, then (redesigned) so [23:21]
asciilifeform powerful that they blew away the topsoil for miles around the craft, created [23:21]
asciilifeform dust storms and buried small towns in soildrifts. A computer company suggested [23:21]
asciilifeform expensive monitoring equipment to regulate each fan, but this never seemed to [23:21]
asciilifeform solve the topsoil problem. A chemical firm then went to work on a binding [23:21]
asciilifeform agent to hold the topsoil in place; _Leviathan_ would spray the stuff out [23:21]
asciilifeform before moving. After months of experimentation with expensive agents, they [23:21]
asciilifeform found the best to be ordinary water. The _Leviathan_ was now redesigned to [23:21]
pLambert ack, wth asciilifeform, use a link [23:21]
asciilifeform accommodate huge water tanks holding whole lakefuls of water. Even so, it [23:21]
asciilifeform would never be able to stray more than fifty miles from a major water source [23:21]
asciilifeform (though thousand-mile flexible pipelines were considered). [23:21]
asciilifeform Congress now began noticing how expensive _Leviathan_ was getting. Costs [23:21]
asciilifeform had doubled every six months: five more years like the first two, and the [23:21]
asciilifeform entire US gross national product would be spent on the land boat. Of course [23:21]
asciilifeform the project had too much momentum to cancel, but unless there were visible [23:21]
asciilifeform results, trimming would begin. Doddly went before a Congressional committee to [23:21]
asciilifeform argue eloquently for his monster. He pointed to valuable spin-offs: the [23:21]
asciilifeform Department of Agriculture now knew much more about binding topsoils. But [23:22]
asciilifeform secretly he was worried, as his diary showed: [23:22]
asciilifeform ' [23:22]
asciilifeform 'It was he who invented [23:22]
asciilifeform _Leviathan_, America's first (and last) nuclear-powered land aircraft carrier. [23:22]
asciilifeform _Leviathan_ was the most successful commercial defense project ever; it ended [23:22]
asciilifeform up costing every man, woman and child in the United States over twenty grand. [23:22]
asciilifeform The idea of a land ship of that size may seem ridiculous now, but it was [23:22]
asciilifeform then the right project at the right time. Two big aircraft manufacturers were [23:22]
asciilifeform enthusiastic (carriers mean planes), so was a large nuclear ship-engine firm. [23:22]
asciilifeform The major ship-building and steel companies were behind it, as were several of [23:22]
asciilifeform the largest unions, then the senators and congressmen from every state where [23:22]
pLambert oh shit, he is repeating the whole thing again [23:22]
asciilifeform any subcontractors might fall. [23:22]
asciilifeform The _USS Leviathan_ would not be anything like an ordinary carrier. It [23:22]
jayk oh dear [23:22]
asciilifeform would be a monster platform, some fifty miles across and equal in area to the [23:22]
asciilifeform state of Delaware. It would launch both missiles and planes of all types, and [23:22]
asciilifeform it would be capable of fast movement around the countryside. [23:22]
asciilifeform In the first design, _Leviathan_ was to run on wheels, thus promoting [23:22]
asciilifeform the interests of a large rubber company. But the number of tires required [23:22]
asciilifeform turned out to be 135 million, plus spares (a tire change would be needed every [23:22]
jayk my eyes cannot keep up with this shit [23:22]
asciilifeform hundred yards). Unless a complete rubber factory were taken on board#one of [23:22]
asciilifeform the alternative suggestions#the entire ship would have to hover. Grumbling, [23:22]
asciilifeform the rubber company settled for a contract to provide the giant hovercraft [23:22]
asciilifeform skirt required. [23:22]
* jayk screams [23:22]
asciilifeform Both houses of Congress shoved through the necessary legislation. There [23:22]
asciilifeform were objections that _Leviathan_ would cost too much, would be a sitting duck, [23:22]
asciilifeform would devastate any land over which it happened to hover. But by now the Armywanted it as badly as any of the dozens of states, thousands of companies and [23:22]
asciilifeform millions of workers. The combined force of industrial, political, military and [23:23]
asciilifeform commercial arguments rolled the project over all opposition as one day [23:23]
asciilifeform _Leviathan_ itself would crush down anything in its path. One junior Senator [23:23]
asciilifeform who continued to oppose it was sent on a factfinding mission to Antarctica [23:23]
asciilifeform while the bill was railroaded through. [23:23]
asciilifeform From the start, there were problems called "teething troubles". The fans [23:23]
asciilifeform which were to lift the craft were at first too weak, then (redesigned) so [23:23]
asciilifeform powerful that they blew away the topsoil for miles around the craft, created [23:23]
asciilifeform dust storms and buried small towns in soildrifts. A computer company suggested [23:23]
asciilifeform expensive monitoring equipment to regulate each fan, but this never seemed to [23:23]
pLambert guesses as to whether it will repeat a third time? [23:23]
asciilifeform solve the topsoil problem. A chemical firm then went to work on a binding [23:23]
asciilifeform agent to hold the topsoil in place; _Leviathan_ would spray the stuff out [23:23]
asciilifeform before moving. After months of experimentation with expensive agents, they [23:23]
asciilifeform found the best to be ordinary water. The _Leviathan_ was now redesigned to [23:23]
asciilifeform accommodate huge water tanks holding whole lakefuls of water. Even so, it [23:23]
asciilifeform would never be able to stray more than fifty miles from a major water source [23:23]
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asciilifeform (though thousand-mile flexible pipelines were considered). [23:23]
benkay asciilifeform: would you pastebin? [23:23]
Apocalyptic asciilifeform, you should /part [23:23]
asciilifeform Congress now began noticing how expensive _Leviathan_ was getting. Costs [23:23]
asciilifeform had doubled every six months: five more years like the first two, and the [23:23]
asciilifeform entire US gross national product would be spent on the land boat. Of course [23:23]
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jayk good riddance [23:23]
Apocalyptic benkay, I assume it wasn't an intentional paste [23:23]
thestringpuller benkay: stop being a hippie [23:24]
jayk lol [23:24]
joecool lawl asciilifeform just ruined some days [23:24]
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benkay thestringpuller: go back to the ghetto [23:24]
benkay wb asciilifeform :) [23:24]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform donation... -> 1B6NP9eb4RKy9tRrXYCJnNcenZkrt5Q2gb [23:24]
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asciilifeform how much [23:25]
bounce and perhaps [23:25]
ozbot Fail The $400 Billion Military Jet That Can't Fly in Cloudy Weather | Alternet [23:25]
mircea_popescu afaik it was up to the malfeasant [23:26]
bounce a little perspective here, some tidbits there, add it together and the picture isn't pretty [23:26]
bounce can't recall if this is what I recalled, but it sounds familiar [23:26]
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asciilifeform [23:27]
ozbot Bitcoin Transaction b649dbbd792cd03e6a472e53596877a08e41053a6078595ce712c37935445742 [23:27]
asciilifeform mea culpa. [23:27]
asciilifeform 1btc for the motherland. [23:28]
mircea_popescu inb4 we discover haxxors got it. [23:29]
asciilifeform lol [23:29]
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asciilifeform where do these go anyway [23:33]
mircea_popescu i would imagine to kako's beer fund [23:33]
asciilifeform should be good for a small barrel. [23:34]
mircea_popescu prolly pay for the wiki [23:34]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05738786 = 0.1148 BTC [+] {2} [23:35]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04643898 = 0.1858 BTC [+] {4} [23:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05738786 = 0.1148 BTC [+] {2} [23:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 50 @ 0.00388001 = 0.194 BTC [+] [23:36]
diametric asciilifeform: what is that? [23:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05738786 = 0.1148 BTC [+] {2} [23:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35250 @ 0.00095014 = 33.4924 BTC [+] [23:38]
artifexd What is the precedent for asciilifeform's donation? I don't see anything about it in [23:39]
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mircea_popescu artifexd i dunno, it's been illo tempore policy that people accidentally spamming or otherwise unintentionally misbehave contribute to the port fund [23:40]
artifexd Interesting [23:41]
asciilifeform unwritten tradition [23:41]
bounce re strangecoin, I get the feeling I can stop reading after this: ``Of course, when I give you a dollar for a burger that's not really a zero sum transaction, because otherwise we wouldn't be motivated to enter into the transaction in the first place.'' -- conflating currency-mediated transactions with barter [23:43]
asciilifeform strangecoin? [23:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.0009496 = 23.2652 BTC [-] {2} [23:43]
bounce [23:44]
ozbot digital interface: Strangecoin: a nonlinear currency [23:44]
mircea_popescu if people's understanding of cuisine are on par with their understanding of basic economy, suddenly food in the us is explained. [23:45]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05738786 = 0.1722 BTC [+] {2} [23:45]
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bounce .oO( BurgerCoin ) [23:46]
mircea_popescu so i wonder if teh numerous sikrit agents dutifully scraping this are also dutifully scraping my in-guild rift convos. [23:46]
mircea_popescu memo : teh in-game chat systems are often abused to move sikrits! [23:46]
mircea_popescu come one come all, i just kicked inactives and we're down to like 800 members nao. taking all comers. [23:46]
bounce so TISAC, then [23:46]
mircea_popescu ;;google tisac [23:49]
gribble TISAC | Home: ; TISAC Handbook - Ravenscroft School: ; TISAC | Thailand International Schools Activity Conference: [23:49]
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bounce ;;google (TINC) [23:50]
gribble tinc wiki: ; download - Tinc: ; Tinc (protocol) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: [23:50]
bounce nope. no easy google for you. [23:50]
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mircea_popescu lolk [23:52]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.045151 = 0.1355 BTC [-] [23:56]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05670683 = 0.1701 BTC [-] [23:56]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.10144642 = 0.3043 BTC [-] [23:56]
Duffer1 !t h rent [23:57]
assbot [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00666000 / 0.00749925 / 0.00750000 (14052 shares, 105.37944000 BTC), 7D: 0.00525030 / 0.00718566 / 0.00750000 (18781 shares, 134.95392746 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00607372 / 0.00900001 (60333 shares, 366.44601440 BTC) [23:57]
benkay now is that the old tranche or the new tranche, the20year1? [23:57]
benkay !l h rent [23:58]
assbot Last trade for RENT on HAVELOCK was at 0.0075 BTC [+] [23:58]
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benkay or are they all the same now? [23:58]
Mats_cd03 anyway, a final word regarding the f-35 vs f-22 conversation... [23:58]
Mats_cd03 the two are meant to work together as envisioned by the usaf [23:58]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3617 @ 0.00095014 = 3.4367 BTC [+] [23:59]
mircea_popescu so wait a damned second. [23:59]
Mats_cd03 similarly to how the f-15 and -16 worked together in a mix of relative low and high tech [23:59]
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mircea_popescu "someone" bought 105 btc worth of rent at 0.0075 today, [23:59]
mircea_popescu but the same someone didn't buy 30 btc worth of rent all week [23:59]
mircea_popescu in spite of it trading around 50ish for the entire interval ? [23:59]
mircea_popescu how's this stuff work ? [23:59]
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