Forum logs for 29 Mar 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
asciilifeform one of the reasons why the 'DIY' bio instrumentation stuff is obscure is that ebay exists [00:00]
asciilifeform and very serviceable surplus tech can be had by anyone [00:00]
asciilifeform for pennies on the dollar [00:00]
asciilifeform it is interesting to see the 'market' price of various things vs. the 'we buy it with u.s. tax dollars' price [00:00]
kanzure last i looked the synthesizers bottom out on ebay at $400-$700 "maybe working" [00:01]
asciilifeform much easier to fix a dead merrifield or whatnot than build all of civilization from raw materials [00:01]
kanzure and ~$2k for "probably working" and $50k for "sorta new, or exactly new, except we know that nobody is building this crap anymore so we're not going to lie to you" [00:01]
asciilifeform granted, 'fix' sometimes involves tearing out the electronics [00:02]
kanzure do you know of any synthesizer manufacturers that still exist? i'm aware of the refurb shops [00:02]
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kanzure ABI etc got swallowed up and cancelled their manufacturing [00:02]
asciilifeform i've been out of the business for some years, unfortunately. [00:02]
kanzure nah it's good to get out of that uh.. industry. [00:03]
mircea_popescu kasa32 you must have missed the part where i told you this is a civil matter. [00:03]
Jezzz .r [00:03]
ozbot Bitstamp | Buy: $500.00 [00:03]
ozbot Coinbase | Buy: $503.41 [00:03]
kanzure asciilifeform: so if you know mike then how do you know me [00:03]
mircea_popescu kanzure so what are you actually trying to make ? [00:04]
asciilifeform kanzure: he introduced me to some of your works. [00:04]
asciilifeform long ago. [00:04]
kanzure asciilifeform: what is he doing? [00:04]
kanzure mircea_popescu: trouble? mostly software at the moment [00:04]
asciilifeform kanzure: last i spoke with him, he burned out and became a programmer! [00:04]
kanzure oh good, yeah he was okay at that [00:04]
asciilifeform doing some sort of dreary web crap [00:04]
kanzure oh [00:04]
asciilifeform to eat. [00:05]
kasa32 civil matter? Kim Dotcom was civil matter also and US managed to get him arrested so... [00:05]
mircea_popescu kanzure no no, with the 10micron channels and other stupid hard problems [00:05]
kanzure mircea_popescu: i had a colleague on that project and he's still convinced that microfluidics is the way to go, so he's still working on that in portland [00:05]
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benkay is he involved in the low-g stuff as well? [00:06]
asciilifeform kanzure: ever work with 'tecan corp.' xyz robot? [00:06]
mircea_popescu kasa32 you have many distinct categories all confused up here. [00:06]
kanzure asciilifeform: i've poked at tecan things. in particular i was playing with jcline's perl library for tecan control. [00:06]
mircea_popescu kanzure ok, but the way to go WHERE [00:06]
kanzure benkay: not that i know of [00:06]
kasa32 you mean cos of megauploads a legal entity? [00:06]
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kanzure mircea_popescu: dna synthesis [00:07]
asciilifeform kanzure: i actually spent 2 yrs. writing a total replacement for the idiot software stack those things came with. [00:07]
mircea_popescu kasa32 i mean because there's no such thing as an arrest in civil proceedings, and i never heard of an arrested witness yet and so on and so forth. [00:07]
mircea_popescu kanzure ok but to make what ? [00:07]
kanzure asciilifeform: to sell back to tecan? [00:07]
tg2 mircea_popescu: what is mpex's SEC analogue [00:07]
asciilifeform kanzure: tried to! even landed a conference with them. guess how it went. [00:07]
mircea_popescu tg2 exact analogue does not exist. [00:07]
kanzure mircea_popescu: all sorts of things. it's a basic requirement for conducting almost any interesting molecular biology project ever. [00:08]
asciilifeform kanzure: 'what do you mean it doesn't run on top of our winblows stack' [00:08]
bounce nor should it, probably [00:08]
mircea_popescu kanzure which is why i am trying to get a specific out of you. [00:08]
tg2 You should create mpsec [00:08]
mircea_popescu bounce i guess not. [00:08]
tg2 And issue requests for information to the SEC [00:08]
tg2 Lol [00:08]
kasa32 yes but if you are called as a witness in a trial, they might bring you there by force [00:08]
kanzure mircea_popescu: i don't have a specific project in mind, and if i did, i would just buy the dna from a synthesis company. [00:08]
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mircea_popescu tg2 i'd rather build organically on proved-to-work infrastructure developed in small steps [00:08]
mircea_popescu than go all out with idiocy that'll never work a la us congress. [00:08]
kasa32 to testify [00:08]
bounce they're chasing an idea of "fairness" that's a poor fit to fiat, possibly worse for bitcoin [00:08]
asciilifeform kanzure: it's still theoretically for sale. number of takers: zero. [00:08]
kanzure asciilifeform: well, you could always sell it to someone else i guess [00:09]
kanzure asciilifeform: or open source it [00:09]
asciilifeform kanzure: mandatory spam: [00:09]
mircea_popescu bounce i don't think that discussion is yet ripe. so far they've prosecuted one guy. [00:09]
mircea_popescu there's a thousand to go that i and anyone else with a shred of sanity left would readily agree are prosecutable [00:09]
mircea_popescu once done with that pile it may be sensible to examine wtf is what. [00:09]
kanzure asciilifeform: cool. let me bounce some ideas around in my head. i might be aware of some opportunities (nobody that would want to outright buy this, but.. stuff that is happening.) [00:10]
asciilifeform kanzure: what's interesting is that virtually everyone who owns one of those machines has a grad student wretch supervising it's stumblings in perso [00:10]
asciilifeform n [00:10]
bounce possibly. there's also them being wilfully ignorant, even impotent, in eg. the flash crash thing [00:10]
kanzure asciilifeform: do you know the people? [00:10]
mircea_popescu bounce the curse of regulators, in all times and places, is that they can't afford to hire the sort of brainpower they need. [00:10]
asciilifeform kanzure: nope [00:10]
mircea_popescu which is why mpex is really such manna from heavens. [00:10]
kasa32 they can also charge you of conspiring to help US citizens avoid taxes and such and whatever charges or charge you with money laundry [00:10]
kasa32 it's not like they haven't done this before [00:11]
mircea_popescu kasa32 are we trying to write a block buster movie script here ? [00:11]
asciilifeform amazing how $300K machine comes with visual basic turd that often physically destroys the enclosure when the thing boots (carriages get sent to the axis limits, because $300K apparently doesn't buy you limit switches...) [00:11]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [00:11]
kasa32 I'm just saying you need to be careful and prepare yourself [00:11]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform just add a bit of plastic foam!!! [00:11]
kasa32 it might happen [00:11]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform do you know the story of the irradiation accidents with medical equipment cause of this problem ? [00:12]
mircea_popescu (comp took out some plastic stoppers to save on costs) [00:12]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'therac-25' [00:12]
mircea_popescu aye [00:12]
bounce well, though this is a dangerous suggestion, might look at some sort of theoretical underpinning of why regulating, with what overarching goal if you will. I don't really see them do more than plug holes that may or may not exist [00:12]
kasa32 take all precautions and such [00:12]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: in our case it was a gurl holding a fist over 'big red button' [00:12]
asciilifeform rather than foam [00:12]
mircea_popescu kasa32 your sentiment is appreciated, but had you heard of me before last week ? [00:12]
kanzure asciilifeform: so did you reverse engineer the tecan protocol or did you just buy their sdk or what? [00:12]
asciilifeform reversed 100%. [00:12]
kanzure ok [00:12]
bounce though an environment where a lot of what's being done in fiat is flat out impossible is a good dampener already [00:12]
asciilifeform and all of the other instruments that were to be used with the damn thing [00:13]
mircea_popescu bounce a lot more thought will have to be poured into those things [00:13]
asciilifeform idea was to get rid of the wretches hand-carrying samples to/from instruments [00:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6932 @ 0.00095519 = 6.6214 BTC [+] {2} [00:13]
asciilifeform because wtf is the point of a robot then [00:13]
mircea_popescu kanzure clearly stan has too much time on his hands. [00:13]
asciilifeform had. [00:13]
bounce by people with suitable detachment as ooposed to the usual driven to do good type [00:13]
kanzure you're talking to the guy who reverse engineered pokemon red and crystal [00:13]
mircea_popescu had. [00:13]
kanzure so.. if anything, don't talk to me about time. [00:13]
bounce s/oop/opp/ [00:13]
mircea_popescu bounce in general it's been my experiences that only committees that include at least one asshole yield anything usable. [00:14]
asciilifeform kanzure: in my spam flick, you can see the bugger stuff a plate in a non-bot-enabled plate reader [00:14]
asciilifeform etc [00:14]
bounce heh [00:14]
kanzure "oh a few hundred thousand lines of terrible, shitty z80 asm? why of course i'll reverse engineer that!" [00:14]
benkay without assholes on the committee, how can you even know the members are human? [00:14]
bounce you've been training for that, haven't you? [00:15]
kanzure without assholes, how would you know we're human? [00:15]
benkay no asshole, not human. [00:15]
bounce apropos therac-25, that was that thing that only pooped out cryptic numbers to be looked up into large books of errors? [00:15]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.055 = 0.11 BTC [+] [00:15]
mircea_popescu "I was born like this, I had no choice. I was born with the gift of a golden voice" [00:15]
asciilifeform now i just reverse shit to eat. [00:15]
mircea_popescu bounce one of many but yes [00:16]
asciilifeform 'you are what you pretend to be, so be careful what you pretend to be.' [00:16]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform if that worked bitcoin would be full of ceos, venture capitalists and other peaks of intellectual achievement. [00:16]
kanzure asciilifeform: every time venter announces another $40M genome i just laugh [00:16]
bounce in a way the habitually ignored overly verbose blatter found in intrusive popups on desktops today is the other extreme... with the same effect [00:17]
kasa32 I've seen some tweets about the letter you received [00:17]
bounce s/tt/th/ [00:17]
asciilifeform funny how my father actually spent a good deal of life doing the same (reversing western consumer junk for the soviet market) [00:17]
kanzure asciilifeform: if i had to pay $40M for every completely custom genome, pfft [00:17]
kanzure asciilifeform: are you the p90 guy [00:17]
andyfletcher looks like the pdf was wrong in the SEC assertion that handing over the data wasn't against EU data protection regs. MEMO/13/923 and MEMO/14/60 which were approved by the EU Parliament on 2014/03/14 refer to 'all natural persons'. Not just EU citizens. [00:17]
asciilifeform p90? [00:17]
mircea_popescu kasa32 yeah. well... i've been here preparing things for many years so far. [00:17]
Apocalyptic kanzure, heh, you remind me of a dude [00:18]
bounce kanzure, just buy some gm corn in the nearest supermarket [00:18]
Apocalyptic that RE some Wii games [00:18]
kanzure nope i haven't touched wii yet [00:18]
asciilifeform ;;google p90 [00:18]
gribble FN P90 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Power 90 Workout—Power 90 Reviews—Get Fast Results with ...: ; FNH USA - Distinct Advantage :: FN P90® Series: [00:18]
kanzure asciilifeform: private-eye wearable heads up something [00:18]
Apocalyptic [00:18]
ozbot - delroth's website [00:18]
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mircea_popescu andyfletcher you don't say. [00:18]
asciilifeform i have an ancient page about it, yes [00:18]
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kanzure asciilifeform: oh, then mike told me about you [00:18]
asciilifeform [00:18]
ozbot Parallel Port Interface to the Private Eye P4 Head-Mounted Display [00:18]
Apocalyptic kanzure, how much time you spent on it ? [00:19]
kanzure Apocalyptic: wii? none whatsoever [00:19]
stompysteve whats going on with neobee i just got online [00:19]
andyfletcher mircea_popescu, yup. It is on Europa [00:19]
Apocalyptic on the pokemon crystal [00:19]
mircea_popescu andyfletcher let's try something simpler : [00:19]
kanzure Apocalyptic: way too much time man [00:19]
mircea_popescu they can't even comply with the actual fed regulations on document handling. [00:19]
kanzure Apocalyptic: pokemon red is "done"- it compiles without baserom.gbc [00:19]
mircea_popescu which... you know. [00:19]
kanzure asciilifeform: my roommate was building this, [00:19]
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asciilifeform kanzure: we're still just as far from a 'human price' svga ocular as we were in 1990. [00:20]
kanzure asciilifeform: (this was a few years ago, so no glass comments etc) [00:20]
Apocalyptic Apocalyptic: way too much time man // i bet, was looking for something quantitative [00:20]
asciilifeform 'glass' is barely vga. [00:20]
kanzure Apocalyptic: at least 100 hours [00:20]
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Apocalyptic that's not much [00:21]
kanzure i guess not, no [00:21]
kanzure but the upper bound is probably 2000 [00:21]
mircea_popescu andyfletcher anyway, you should get a cookie for being the first commentator of the matter to have spotted it. somehow the press covered it extensively but failed to notice stuff like that. [00:21]
mircea_popescu perhaps because the press isn't very well equipped to report these days. [00:21]
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asciilifeform the electromechanical piece of junk features in my link is, funnily, still far ahead of what you can buy now [00:21]
asciilifeform if you want an ocular for something other than viewing porn on airplanes [00:22]
andyfletcher /me is happy to wave a finger in the direction of the SEC and say "Not allowed" [00:22]
asciilifeform razor-sharp monochrome, with square pixels [00:22]
mircea_popescu who the fuck wants to view porn on airplanes. so you get yourself all good and ready and then what ? ask the stewardess to draw the curtain and the girls to drop the tops ? [00:22]
asciilifeform (the 'movie'-grade displays have staggered rgb, like the cheap camera viewfinders which... they are) [00:22]
asciilifeform lol [00:22]
kanzure mircea_popescu: it's the principle [00:22]
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jborkl Neo bee halted for abnormal trading activity [00:23]
joecool old news [00:23]
mircea_popescu jborkl scroll up honey :p [00:23]
mircea_popescu kanzure what principle is that ? [00:23]
jborkl Ah [00:23]
kanzure personal computing? [00:23]
mircea_popescu i thought porn something. [00:24]
kanzure asciilifeform: maybe interesting to you [00:24]
mike_c asciilifeform: new oculus is 960x1080 per eye. that beats svga :) [00:24]
asciilifeform square pixel grid? [00:24]
asciilifeform because if not, go and try reading text [00:24]
kanzure oculus is the wrong form factor anyway [00:24]
asciilifeform back we go, to the days of microcomputing with tv sets [00:24]
asciilifeform and who wants to wear a helmet [00:25]
mircea_popescu weren't such bad days, those. [00:25]
kanzure asciilifeform: so why is everyone such a fuckup with making these? [00:25]
mircea_popescu [00:25]
ozbot Chaos - Battle of the Wizards pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [00:25]
asciilifeform kanzure: lockheed corp. et al make fine ones. $50K+ [00:25]
asciilifeform so, patent trolls. [00:25]
mike_c well, i assume not square pixels since there's a lens right in front of your eye. [00:25]
decimation That 'therac-25' incident is interesting, thanks for the tip. If you are making a 'firmware interlock' for a radiation machine, I would think you would at least make it in TTL or on an FPGA or something. [00:25]
mircea_popescu mike_c he knows what he's asking. you can't really read on the things [00:25]
kanzure asciilifeform: does yours still work? [00:25]
asciilifeform square in the sense of not being staggered rows (optimized for film) [00:26]
asciilifeform yes it works [00:26]
kanzure decimation: i think that was before fpgas were on the market [00:26]
mircea_popescu decimation or not take out the 0.01 cent plastic stoppers [00:26]
decimation find, cpld [00:26]
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decimation I bet some mba management directed that [00:26]
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decimation "how can we shape the bottom line today?" [00:26]
mike_c ah. don't know whether the rows are staggered. i didn't know there were displays like that. [00:27]
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asciilifeform if there was any kind of demand for an svga ocular, the chinese would piss on the patents and we'd have them. [00:27]
asciilifeform naggum's binders. [00:27]
asciilifeform [00:27]
ozbot Re: creation of lisp machine/lispOS - Naggum cll archive [00:27]
mike_c who wants to read in VR anyway? [00:27]
decimation I find that 'modern' cameras with giant LCD's are universally worse than the old-fashioned viewfinders with baffles [00:27]
mircea_popescu me [00:28]
mircea_popescu for instance, i'd like a measurement overlay. [00:28]
asciilifeform me. [00:28]
asciilifeform but not 100M wankers. [00:28]
asciilifeform not yet. [00:28]
mike_c well, overlays would be more of a see-through augmentation thing, not a closed off VR experience, no? [00:28]
mircea_popescu decimation the insulting part is they're dropping the optical viewfinder ;/ [00:28]
asciilifeform think of what a terrific waste a non-ocular display is, for a fellow working alone [00:29]
mircea_popescu mike_c maybe [00:29]
asciilifeform my lcds are soaking up ~200W [00:29]
benkay [00:29]
ozbot : Photo [00:29]
asciilifeform all so i can have a few emacsen going [00:29]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform o, i got kw here. [00:29]
mircea_popescu fuck it. i'd use a megawatt. what's energy for ? [00:29]
mike_c this is bitcoin, we don't care about wasting electricity. [00:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.57 = 1.14 BTC [-] [00:29]
mircea_popescu ^ [00:29]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu and his room of Trinitrons [00:29]
mircea_popescu i save on heat! [00:30]
asciilifeform personally i'm less concerned with wattage than space [00:30]
asciilifeform living in a flat [00:30]
mircea_popescu so move out of the sticks. [00:30]
mircea_popescu do you know what 5k sq feet of floor space + garages cost in a SANE PART of the world ? [00:30]
kanzure no? [00:30]
decimation I think a competent driver with a good measurement overlay coupled with a radar/laser rangefinder would be more safe in a variety of conditions [00:30]
asciilifeform i can guess [00:30]
decimation especially if FLIR were available [00:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00095436 = 11.9295 BTC [-] {2} [00:30]
mircea_popescu about the same you pay for a speeding ticket. [00:30]
kanzure can you give me another analogy [00:30]
mircea_popescu decimation absolutely. [00:31]
kanzure i've never paid for a speeding ticket [00:31]
mircea_popescu good laser you can drive in fog. [00:31]
decimation that's clearly an application for high resolution optic viewers [00:31]
mircea_popescu kanzure stop sucking and go get a speeding ticket. [00:31]
kanzure mircea_popescu: yeah, i should [00:31]
decimation ideally you have car-mounted sensors without any blockage from the columns in the vehicle [00:31]
mircea_popescu decimation obviously, lasers in the lights. [00:31]
mircea_popescu actually... you don't really need oculars for this [00:32]
mircea_popescu you could make a decent window. [00:32]
mircea_popescu this i think is a start-up idea right here, sell window + sensor kids for the aftermarket. [00:33]
pankkake I want sensor kids [00:33]
mircea_popescu people would be all over your shit. 100mn of them too, because nothing gets a guy off quite like having the girl that's about to give him a blowjob think he's batman [00:33]
kanzure sensor kids [00:33]
mircea_popescu kits omg [00:33]
decimation I think the angle here is that the "my startup life" folks in california want to jump directly to full automation. Why not mine the more easily achievable sensor augmentation market? [00:33]
mircea_popescu decimation what do they know. [00:34]
mircea_popescu someone get elon musk in here lol. [00:34]
benkay subject of more easily achievable sensor markets, check out the new client [00:34]
benkay [00:34]
Musk mircea_popescu, he's busy with exploding Tesla's [00:34]
decimation maybe we can wrap everyone in a titanium shell so they don't experience hardship in life [00:35]
Musk decimation, ah! [00:35]
mircea_popescu Musk well, imagine how cool it'd be if the front window'd show the explosion parameters in futura font [00:35]
mircea_popescu just as you're flying through teh clouds [00:35]
mircea_popescu what the... did i lose interwebs or did everyone somehow inexplicably shut up for two minutes [00:38]
mircea_popescu i'm calling 911. [00:38]
decimation reading reviews of people who work at SpaceX, it's obvious the business model is "milk underpaid labor from engineers who like "space" on facebook" [00:38]
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Musk well the Neo fud seems over for now.. :3 [00:38]
mircea_popescu decimation not a bad model. [00:39]
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mircea_popescu dairy revolution ensured the supremacy of europe. milking is big, man. [00:39]
Musk Farmenomics ? [00:39]
decimation I think there was a discussion on this channel awhile back about the national security implications of cowgut in WWI Germany [00:40]
mike_c decimation: not necessarily a bad deal for the engineers. lot to be said for liking what you work on. [00:40]
mircea_popescu milking AND liking [00:40]
decimation I'm told that most cows line up to be milked [00:41]
mircea_popescu they do. mastitis is deadly. [00:41]
mircea_popescu and painful. [00:41]
decimation Perhaps this is also related to the "beetle man" attitude [00:42]
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mircea_popescu o look at that. elon musk was not here. [00:44]
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mircea_popescu i mean, not elon musk was here [00:44]
mircea_popescu << this is the poll to end all polls [00:46]
ozbot Would you send money or bitcoins to MtGox when it re-opens? (poll) [00:46]
mircea_popescu Question: Would you send money or bitcoins to MtGox when it re-opens? (Voting closed: March 27, 2014, 03:11:32 PM) Yes 34 (43%) [00:46]
mircea_popescu No 45 (57%) [00:46]
mircea_popescu [00:46]
mircea_popescu Total Voters: 79 [00:46]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform ^ enjoy baby. [00:46]
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decimation so are these the deer that walk up to the hunter and kneel down? [00:47]
mircea_popescu dank is back. [00:48]
ozbot Looking for investment of ~2500 BTC for music festival, return = ~150,000 BTC [00:48]
mircea_popescu decimation no, these are "the community". according to themselves. [00:48]
copumpkin o.O [00:48]
ThickAsThieves what is it with people trying to connect all things they dont like to MPEx? [00:48]
pankkake "p.s: notice name of the seller "btcapples". A notorious spammer troll connected to Mpex. " [00:48]
pankkake that guy… [00:48]
copumpkin 150k btc return sounds like a good deal! [00:48]
ThickAsThieves i beat you! [00:48]
copumpkin ozbot: sign me up! [00:48]
copumpkin >_> [00:49]
pankkake lol [00:49]
copumpkin then I can finally be richer than mircea_popescu [00:49]
copumpkin it's always been a goal of mine [00:49]
decimation apparently there is sufficient fuel remaining to re-open the gox chumpatron [00:49]
mircea_popescu btcapples ?! who's that ? [00:49]
mircea_popescu between crumbs, btcapples and a pankkake we can make OUR OWN PIES [00:50]
pankkake :D [00:50]
ThickAsThieves btcapples seems to be the only guy to ever conduct a forum-based sale of NEOBEE shares through the LMB platform [00:50]
mircea_popescu copumpkin well if you organise a btc festival that nets 150k coins you'll definitely end up with more stds than i ever had. [00:50]
copumpkin :D [00:50]
mircea_popescu "Also, he tried to sell these(whoevers') shares under false pretense. I believe it was financial hardship?" [00:51]
mircea_popescu was it actually not his shares ? [00:51]
ThickAsThieves i dont know whether he's one of the people suspected [00:51]
ThickAsThieves but he's got my attention now [00:51]
copumpkin okay, can someone pump up S.MPOE to 1 btc each? [00:51]
copumpkin thanks [00:51]
mircea_popescu "People think that anything goes on the internet, but if Neobee was a legit stock under the jurisdiction of the SEC, all the FUD spreaders on the internet would be locked up VERY QUICKLY for the crap they have been pulling recently." [00:52]
benkay !t m s.mpoe [00:52]
assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00092844 / 0.00093843 / 0.00095634 (1640418 shares, 1,539.42 BTC), 7D: 0.00092844 / 0.00094382 / 0.00095875 (6432706 shares, 6,071.32 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.0008648 / 0.00096 (31129876 shares, 26,921.16 BTC) [00:52]
ThickAsThieves ... [00:52]
pankkake the amount of shares was pretty small… no one should care really [00:52]
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ThickAsThieves that poster has never seen pinksheet forums [00:52]
benkay Phildo lol great name [00:52]
mircea_popescu sec definitely spends its time reading yahoo finance boards o.I [00:52]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.57 = 1.71 BTC [-] [00:53]
benkay ;;google jonathan lebed [00:53]
gribble Jonathan Lebed - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; |: ; Pump And Dump - CBS News: [00:53]
mircea_popescu so basically the shill brigade is arguing this theory whereby indefinite suspensions are a good thing. [00:53]
mircea_popescu why are they even involved in this for the love of christ. [00:53]
benkay mircea_popescu: not only do they read yahoo boards, they also go after 15 yo's [00:53]
ThickAsThieves the psychology of the forum needs its own study [00:54]
ThickAsThieves it's amazine really [00:54]
ThickAsThieves amazing [00:54]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [00:54]
ThickAsThieves ! [00:54]
psterryl ThickAsThieves: " i dont know whether he's one of the people suspected" [00:54]
psterryl Suspected of what? [00:54]
ThickAsThieves did you not see the statement? [00:54]
pankkake isn't it basically stockholm syndrome? [00:54]
mircea_popescu JERRY: I don't even want to talk about it anymore. What were you thinking? What was going on in your mind? Artistic integrity? Where, where did you come up with that? You're not artistic and you have no integrity. You know you really need some help. A regular psychiatrist couldn't even help you. You need to go to like Vienna or something. You know what I mean? You need to get involved at the University level. Like wher [00:55]
mircea_popescu e Freud studied and have all those people looking at you and checking up on you. That's the kind of help you need. Not the once a week for eighty bucks. No. You need a team. A team of psychiatrists working round the clock thinking about you, having conferences, observing you, like the way they did with the Elephant Man. That's what I'm talking about because that's the only way you're going to get better. [00:55]
psterryl yeah im just wondering what constitutes "suspicious trading activity" [00:55]
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pankkake maybe I should create an exchange where you can only trade if trade.value > lasttrade.value [00:55]
pankkake they would love it [00:55]
mircea_popescu psterryl is my theory. [00:55]
mircea_popescu pankkake isn't that basically the bitcoin gem "idea" ? [00:56]
mike_c pankkake: that is havelock.. see RENT, see NEOBEE, see .. [00:56]
midnightmagic mikaeldi1e mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mixdio_ [00:56]
midnightmagic mikaeldi1e mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mixdio_ [00:56]
ThickAsThieves psterryl, i dont think i have an answer in that regard [00:56]
benkay psterryl: [00:56]
mircea_popescu mike_c rent got suspended too ?! [00:56]
mike_c not suspended [00:56]
mike_c referring to new ipo at higher than market price [00:56]
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benkay o but haven't you heard mike_c the market price is now near the next "i"plol price! [00:57]
benkay !t h rent [00:57]
assbot [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00600002 / 0.00683184 / 0.00750000 (1556 shares, 10.63033884 BTC), 7D: 0.00525000 / 0.00590396 / 0.00750000 (5321 shares, 31.41496367 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00560668 / 0.00900001 (49033 shares, 274.91242278 BTC) [00:57]
benkay !l h rent [00:57]
assbot Last trade for RENT on HAVELOCK was at 0.00749997 BTC [+] [00:57]
mircea_popescu mike_c there's a different problem there : if they ipo'd at same price as before they'd have a fiat dilution on their hands. [00:57]
benkay seeeeee? [00:57]
mircea_popescu and i fucking need to stop calling subsequent offerings "ipos" [00:57]
mike_c this terminology. you can only ipo once! that's why they call it "initial" [00:57]
mircea_popescu one day people will be quoting this shit and laughing at me. [00:57]
mike_c inb4 [00:57]
ThickAsThieves SPOs [00:57]
mircea_popescu spos, srsly. [00:58]
psterryl ThickAsThieves no worries, hopefully LMB put out a statement at some point [00:58]
pankkake 3PO [00:59]
ThickAsThieves i like it [00:59]
ThickAsThieves 2PO [00:59]
benkay reduxpo [00:59]
mircea_popescu 3DO ! [00:59]
ThickAsThieves 3PO [00:59]
ThickAsThieves 4PO [00:59]
mircea_popescu iam12andwhatisthispo [00:59]
ThickAsThieves IPO2.0 [00:59]
benkay can gravity po? [00:59]
mike_c benkay: maybe it's like an acquisition rumor. why not buy all the lower priced shares if you know it's going to be forced to 75. [00:59]
ThickAsThieves that doesnt really work out here [01:00]
ThickAsThieves you presume people will buy at 75 [01:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26950 @ 0.00094868 = 25.5669 BTC [-] {3} [01:00]
ThickAsThieves kinda unlikely, no? [01:00]
benkay past shareholders aren't going to be allowed to sell at that price, mike_c [01:00]
mike_c i don't presume that at all. but it's either that, or a complete scam. [01:00]
mircea_popescu i still don't understand the merger idea too well, tbh. [01:00]
mike_c a random 50% pop after this new PO is announced.. [01:00]
ThickAsThieves megrer? [01:00]
benkay newpo [01:00]
benkay poopyo [01:00]
ThickAsThieves alpo [01:00]
mircea_popescu rent guy was going to get some north carolina similar service [01:00]
mike_c yeah, we discussed. read the logs already ;) [01:01]
ThickAsThieves the20year2, take it from, just stop [01:01]
ThickAsThieves me* [01:01]
benkay could just be buying leads, although where capital's going to come to develop them is anyone's guess-JUST KIDDING HAVELOCK [01:01]
mircea_popescu they're not even contiguous ;/ [01:01]
mircea_popescu mike_c no i read them. [01:01]
mike_c oh right, you explained to him that a business that just needs capital has no competitive advantages. [01:02]
mircea_popescu it's more complicated than that. [01:02]
mircea_popescu but anyway, in his case, maintaining offices in two states, he's setting himself up for the bomb [01:02]
mircea_popescu even if everything else had worked! [01:02]
mircea_popescu where's that brilliant men link ? [01:02]
mike_c he's not maintaining offices. just providing capital to that other company. [01:02]
mike_c it's basically a loan. [01:03]
mircea_popescu [01:03]
ozbot From the Stacks: Why I Never Hire Brilliant Men | [01:03]
jurov for certain values of brilliant [01:03]
mircea_popescu worth a read. [01:04]
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decimation I read it as: "I hire only those with high conscientiousness and low neuroticism" [01:10]
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mircea_popescu not a bad read [01:12]
mircea_popescu neurosis correlates with intelligence about to the same effects rot correlates with wood. [01:13]
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decimation the problem is that actually accomplishing this would be racist [01:14]
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mircea_popescu how would it be racist ?! [01:14]
mircea_popescu you mean, it'd mostly exclude white people ? [01:14]
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decimation behavior and personality is highly heritable [01:15]
decimation certain groups, probably [01:15]
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mircea_popescu race != some random group. [01:15]
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skinnkavaj Whats happening with NEOBEE? [01:16]
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skinnkavaj I have not been around [01:16]
decimation the point is, any test that would be given to an applicant to attempt to detect his or her conscientiousness would be illeagal, like IQ tests are (in the US) [01:17]
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mike_c lots of blue-collar jobs give personality tests before hiring [01:17]
decimation yeah and google gives what amount to IQ tests [01:18]
decimation which put them at risk of a civil-rights lawsuit [01:18]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10950 @ 0.00095278 = 10.4329 BTC [+] [01:19]
skinnkavaj Seems like a great time to buy NEOBEE [01:20]
skinnkavaj Or am I missing something here? [01:20]
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skinnkavaj pankkake you know [01:20]
mike_c just one of many things you are missing is that no one can buy. [01:20]
skinnkavaj I know that [01:21]
skinnkavaj But when it opens up [01:21]
skinnkavaj And why is it closed in the first place [01:21]
mike_c you don't know, yet it is a great time to buy. [01:21]
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pankkake [01:21]
mircea_popescu decimation iq tests are illegal in the us ?! [01:21]
ozbot #bitcoin-assets log [01:21]
skinnkavaj mike_c: I like to buy on others fear [01:21]
mircea_popescu skinnkavaj so buy some lehman. [01:22]
skinnkavaj pankkake: Thanks sir [01:22]
skinnkavaj Lol [01:23]
skinnkavaj There is a conspiracy on bitcointalk [01:23]
skinnkavaj That pankkake and mircea_popescu you are the same person [01:23]
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skinnkavaj SOmething must have happened on NEOBEE [01:23]
skinnkavaj Question is what [01:23]
mircea_popescu weren't they supposed to at some point release a report ? [01:24]
pankkake I was on a forum where we had this ongoing conspiracy that there really were 2-3 users on the forum and everyone else was sockpuppets [01:24]
pankkake but that was for fun, mostly [01:24]
skinnkavaj mircea_popescu: Are you in bed with MPOE-PR or have I misunderstood that? [01:25]
mircea_popescu im sittin' on a chair. [01:25]
decimation oh yeah, "iq tests" are illeagal, or at least they can form the basis of a civil rights lawsuit. [01:25]
skinnkavaj So boring when MPOE-PR on the same thread post the same link all over again, instead of debating [01:26]
mircea_popescu decimation you know it's "illegal" [01:26]
decimation the United States alleges that defendant City of New York's use of two written examinations on a pass-fail basis, as well as its rank-order processing of applicants, in the screening and selection of applicants for appointment to the rank of entry-level firefighter, has resulted in disparate impact upon black and Hispanic applicants, is not "job related for the position in question and consistent with business necessity" and does not otherwise [01:26]
decimation meet the requirements of Title VII. [01:26]
skinnkavaj pankkake: Do you have any investment in any security I check out? [01:27]
mircea_popescu yes but a) the city of new york is a public corp and b) firemen and generally blue collar workers are hardly what we were thinking about [01:27]
skinnkavaj Feels like its so boring nowadays [01:27]
skinnkavaj Nothing good to invest in [01:27]
skinnkavaj Before it was a lot more [01:27]
skinnkavaj And yet bitcoin is much bigger now [01:27]
pankkake I have nothing, I took my losses from havelock just because fuck it [01:27]
mircea_popescu yeah, all very good stuff [01:27]
skinnkavaj So should be more securities [01:27]
decimation well, a private corp would open themselves up to civil suits [01:28]
decimation I'm surprised this hasn't happened with silicon valley already [01:28]
skinnkavaj pankkake: On NEOBEE or what did you have there? [01:28]
pankkake on everything, I got out of neobee a while ago [01:29]
skinnkavaj I am opening a new altcoin exchange for Litecoinlocal, before I was determined that we should have fee shares and take fees on the trading [01:29]
skinnkavaj Now I have decided to offer it for free [01:30]
skinnkavaj With no fees [01:30]
skinnkavaj And no shares [01:30]
skinnkavaj I am gonna make money by offering a really simple dice game on every altcoin traded [01:31]
skinnkavaj I wounder how Huobi makes money though [01:31]
skinnkavaj Must be expensive to deposit there [01:31]
skinnkavaj Or high withdrawal fees [01:32]
skinnkavaj It's kinda fun with zero fees, to really see how much your code and server can handle in terms of total trades per second [01:32]
skinnkavaj mircea_popescu: I have never understood how MPOE works, but anyway the questionn goes how many trades can you handle per second right now? [01:33]
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skinnkavaj pankkake: Progamming anything right now? [01:40]
pankkake maybe [01:40]
skinnkavaj Tell me [01:41]
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mircea_popescu many. [01:44]
skinnkavaj mircea_popescu: Boring answer really.. [01:44]
mircea_popescu anyone saw cul de sac ? an older polanski film. [01:45]
mircea_popescu Donald Pleasence is quite good in it. [01:45]
benkay skinnkavaj: not much. no more trades on havelock, ThickAsThieves no longer running the 'fund'. [01:46]
benkay see: [01:46]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0444 = 0.222 BTC [+] [01:47]
benkay so how about this: [01:47]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.056399 = 0.1692 BTC [+] [01:48]
benkay bezzle -> crypto may yet fly [01:48]
skinnkavaj benkay: Didn't TAT quit managing it long time ago? [01:48]
skinnkavaj Or maybe it was asicminer [01:48]
benkay am [01:48]
skinnkavaj If he quit asicminer [01:49]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0564 = 0.1128 BTC [+] {2} [01:49]
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mircea_popescu "confirmed that a bitcoin exchange that holds client funds with a licensed overseas payment service provider is not required to obtain a licence in the country for its activities." [01:49]
skinnkavaj Maybe he quit also NEOBEE for the same reason [01:49]
mircea_popescu sounds like the average coindesk article. [01:49]
skinnkavaj I guess he thought it was too much work [01:49]
benkay don't really think it was the work of the thing, skinnkavaj. [01:49]
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mircea_popescu benkay you know i like reading your blog [01:49]
benkay he'd have said something along those lines when the forum showed up and put him through the wringer [01:50]
mircea_popescu but the viewport is too wide by now. [01:50]
benkay say it ain't so, mircea_popescu [01:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10131 @ 0.00094546 = 9.5785 BTC [-] {2} [01:50]
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skinnkavaj benkay: Do you have any reason to believe it was not that reason? [01:50]
mircea_popescu skinnkavaj didja read the log ? [01:50]
skinnkavaj Not the full [01:50]
skinnkavaj Please inform me [01:50]
benkay please pay me [01:50]
skinnkavaj I have not catched up with it yet [01:50]
skinnkavaj benkay: For what gtfo [01:50]
benkay at least tell me i'm pretty [01:50]
skinnkavaj Well I can stretch to that [01:50]
mircea_popescu benkay you've not asked too many people, btw. as best i can tell they're neither a giant scam trying to run witrh a ton of btc, nor a legitimate business. [01:51]
benkay what's your read, mircea_popescu? [01:51]
mircea_popescu they're an outfit run by an incompetent if vain kid that drank the kool aid. they got some btc together, made some media buys and... that's it. [01:51]
mircea_popescu very dot-com ish really, but history is only useful to the literate. [01:52]
skinnkavaj mircea_popescu: But the original prospectus was really well thought thru [01:52]
skinnkavaj He did have a good business plan [01:52]
skinnkavaj Or else so many wouldnt invest with him [01:52]
mircea_popescu skinnkavaj ever pick up a chick that looked good at the disco only to get scared in the morning ? [01:52]
benkay skinnkavaj: are you referring to the part where they claimed they'd be able to protect cypriots from haircuts? [01:52]
skinnkavaj And I dont think much BTC business is "legal" [01:52]
skinnkavaj In fact not many business at all [01:52]
skinnkavaj Not even fiat business [01:53]
skinnkavaj Apple is still breaking the law.. [01:53]
mircea_popescu you're skidding all over the place. [01:53]
benkay US law, which is not law any more by dint of outlawing the un-out-law-able. [01:53]
benkay US tax law which has put itself into the voluntary donation zone? [01:53]
skinnkavaj benkay: US tax law was put into voluntary donation zone when Bitcoin was first launched in 2009 [01:55]
skinnkavaj By technical reasons [01:55]
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benkay sure [01:56]
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benkay USG is slowly aligning themselves with reality on the ground [01:56]
skinnkavaj mircea_popescu: Is MPOE a registred company in US or why did SEC contact you? [01:56]
mircea_popescu i imagine they contacted me because they wanted to talk. [01:57]
mircea_popescu what silly q is that. [01:57]
skinnkavaj Erik Vorhees was smart [01:58]
skinnkavaj Fake selling SD to himself [01:58]
dexX7 proof? [01:58]
skinnkavaj "Anonymous investor" [01:59]
dexX7 who did pay the shareholders then? [01:59]
skinnkavaj It's obvious when you think about it [01:59]
skinnkavaj Himself from everything he earned [01:59]
skinnkavaj He have a lot of BTC [01:59]
dexX7 (i don't know how much that was) [01:59]
dexX7 why do you think this was smart? [02:00]
skinnkavaj So he would not get into trouble and can still operate SD [02:00]
skinnkavaj I believe we will see more fake sells since it's the best option to clear your name, while still holding on to that money making machine [02:02]
skinnkavaj Which is your baby, as an entreprenour [02:02]
mircea_popescu this is pretty much nonsense. [02:03]
mircea_popescu why not enjoy the credibility of a well run asset ? [02:03]
skinnkavaj mircea_popescu: Because of legal problems obviously [02:03]
mircea_popescu i dun see what you're talking about, "obviously". [02:04]
benkay ;;tslb [02:04]
gribble Time since last block: 7 minutes and 27 seconds [02:04]
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skinnkavaj mircea_popescu: So you think SD is a legal service? [02:04]
benkay legal where, skinnkavaj ? [02:05]
skinnkavaj In any country of the world [02:05]
mircea_popescu dude seriously, stop. [02:05]
mircea_popescu there's no such thing as a "legal service". there's illegal stuff, and then there's the rest. [02:05]
mircea_popescu there's no "any country in the world" [02:05]
mircea_popescu you don't even know how many countries there are, in the world. [02:05]
skinnkavaj mircea_popescu: Is this your strategy in the future? [02:06]
skinnkavaj I wish you good luck, I honestly do [02:06]
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mircea_popescu yes, my strategy in the future is to continue to point out obvious nonsense coming my way. [02:06]
mircea_popescu who knows, maybe it somehow ends up cutting down on the general nonsense [02:06]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16349 @ 0.00094303 = 15.4176 BTC [-] [02:09]
skinnkavaj mircea_popescu: We live in a corrupt world you should know that [02:09]
mircea_popescu so ? [02:10]
skinnkavaj SD is not legal and neither is MPOE, but I love the fact that you are not agreeing with me on that [02:10]
mircea_popescu eh your face is not legal. [02:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00094107 = 17.2216 BTC [-] {3} [02:11]
CheckDavid Lulz [02:11]
skinnkavaj mircea_popescu: [02:12]
CheckDavid I heard mpoe was the most legal of exchanges [02:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.BBET] 1750 @ 0.0005 = 0.875 BTC [-] [02:13]
TestingUnoDosTre mircea , is legal in every planet in the Milky Way? [02:16]
skinnkavaj TestingUnoDosTre: Leave him alone now I think he understood my point and I like his intentions [02:17]
dexX7 intentions? [02:17]
TestingUnoDosTre his evil intergalactic intentions [02:18]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8250 @ 0.00093954 = 7.7512 BTC [-] [02:20]
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mircea_popescu the most legal illegal exchange run by an asshole with good intentions [02:22]
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CheckDavid Lol [02:22]
mircea_popescu someone write the book so 50cent can make a song about the movie based on it [02:22]
mircea_popescu then we can quote its wisdom [02:22]
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CheckDavid How illegal is mpoe? [02:23]
dexX7 let's ipo the idea [02:23]
mircea_popescu s'il egal. [02:23]
benkay ill egalitarian. [02:25]
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skinnkavaj mircea_popescu: Try listen for one minute in a clip from this audio book [02:26]
benkay o lookit that spotify lets you sign up with email again [02:27]
benkay guess zuck won that one in the short term and lost it in the long term [02:27]
benkay [02:27]
ozbot Facebook feud outside club | Page Six [02:27]
mircea_popescu skinnkavaj learning to read spoiled me for audiobooks. [02:32]
TestingUnoDosTre is that seriously a 50 cent produced audiobook? [02:32]
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mircea_popescu "Go search deep for code (for sale) for online gambling sites. [02:36]
mircea_popescu The most expensive code packages for gambling sites have the most deceit and advanced algorithms to rip-off the gambling fool and protect the investment of the operator. The very best ones you'll never find for sale, however. These algorithms always sit on top of whatever "edge" the operator decides to take (the "edge" is the part of the tilted table some sites even openly advertise nowadays). [02:36]
mircea_popescu there's nothing better than a good conspiraci theorist. [02:36]
mircea_popescu bitcoin invented fair gambling, bitbet is a parimutuel implementation, anon forum derp comes to harp about how deceitful "sites" are. [02:37]
mircea_popescu i imagine these people followed hercules around augeas' stables complaining about all the mess he's making. [02:37]
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dirt_ amazing [02:40]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [02:40]
Mats_cd03 hue hue [02:42]
ThickAsThieves "Edmund Moy, the former director of the U.S. Mint who’s become an outspoken proponent of digital currencies, saw a mix of good and bad as well, but ultimately he made two cogent points: first, that this is is a rule, not a law, and there’s a difference, and, two, that it can be changed as circumstances warrant." [02:43]
ThickAsThieves what is the exact difference between an IRS rule and a law? [02:43]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves that i get to laugh at you poor sods moar ? [02:46]
ThickAsThieves but but [02:46]
ThickAsThieves halp [02:46]
mircea_popescu lol [02:46]
mircea_popescu a rule you can have overturned by arguing more things before the supreme court than if it were a law. [02:47]
mircea_popescu because congress does have legislative discretion, but agencies do not. [02:47]
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mircea_popescu we're talking a decade and a hundred million in either case. [02:47]
mike_c most of the IRS code is law, but not the btc part. [02:47]
ThickAsThieves so you must break the rule to even attempt to learn it's definition? [02:47]
ThickAsThieves its* [02:47]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00093954 = 8.268 BTC [-] [02:48]
ThickAsThieves or at least "test" its definition [02:48]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves no, you don't have to break it to sue. [02:48]
ThickAsThieves is there some argument to what is allowed to be taxed at all, and bitcoin not fitting that spectrum? [02:48]
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mircea_popescu no, because the us does not recognise allodial title. [02:49]
mircea_popescu anything can be taxed. [02:49]
ThickAsThieves like isnt there an underlying premise for taxes being that, for example you cant profit from a shipping company without roads, and taxes pay for roads, therefor you must pay them [02:49]
mircea_popescu no. [02:50]
ThickAsThieves the USG neither provides for, nor maintains, nor creates bitocin [02:50]
ThickAsThieves something seems off [02:50]
mircea_popescu that bullcrap is entirely irrelevant to the discussion. [02:50]
ThickAsThieves ok [02:50]
mircea_popescu it's roughly the coating in the pill, various people sprout it because you know, the slavegirl that aesthetically loves her collar isn't really as much of a slavegirl or something. [02:51]
ThickAsThieves do you have an argument against the IRS rulings or you think they are sensible? [02:51]
mircea_popescu but taxes have exactly zero to do with roads. [02:51]
mircea_popescu the irs can tax anything the fuck it pleases. the reaction to taxation you dislike is leaving the jurisdiction, not arguing the point. [02:51]
mike_c even then you can't escape. you have to give up citizenship. [02:52]
mircea_popescu so give up citizenship. [02:52]
mircea_popescu (course iirc, you're not allowed to do so unless you prove it's specifically NOT because you dislike the taxation system. quite the racked your owner got going there.) [02:52]
mike_c and there's a fee :) [02:53]
ThickAsThieves heh [02:53]
ThickAsThieves surely a small price to pay [02:53]
mircea_popescu you can't imagine, on a more personal note, how fucking outlandish this is to me. [02:53]
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ThickAsThieves do tell [02:53]
mircea_popescu if someone told me twenty years ago i will live to honestly pity the fate of the poor us citizens i'd have laughed for the rest of the day. [02:54]
mircea_popescu and i'm not even fucking old! i'm sitting here and im thinking... holy shit now THAT must suck. what a curse to be born with. [02:54]
mike_c could be worse. china is worse. [02:55]
mircea_popescu i do not believe china is currently worse. [02:55]
mircea_popescu korea is worse. [02:55]
mike_c foxconn has more suicides than jpmorgan. [02:56]
Duffer1 the breathable parts of china sound nice [02:56]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0564 = 0.1692 BTC [+] [02:57]
dexX7 foxconn has about 1000x more worker than jpmorgan [02:58]
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benkay girl is out of town for the weekend. this means..... [02:58]
benkay [02:58]
ozbot imgur: the simple image sharer [02:58]
Mats_cd03 i was in guangzhou a year ago [02:58]
dexX7 did you like it? [02:59]
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benkay mostly because i've forgotten how to cook since this one started doing it for me [02:59]
Mats_cd03 i saw a few dozen dead pigs floating down a river as i was driving out of the province [02:59]
nubbins` i made homemade pasta sauce and meatballs last night [02:59]
nubbins` it was amazing, so spicy ;0 [02:59]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [02:59]
Mats_cd03 soured me on the experience [02:59]
nubbins` yes, the company was amazing too [03:00]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [03:00]
nubbins` yes, simply amazing [03:00]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [03:00]
nubbins` yes. [03:00]
mircea_popescu benkay you gotta learn to cook, this is embarassing. [03:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06892001 = 0.6892 BTC [-] {4} [03:00]
nubbins` ^ [03:00]
TestingUnoDosTre easy there assbot [03:00]
Mats_cd03 were the meatballs homemade [03:00]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla could assy perhaps only say amazing once an hour or something ? [03:01]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [03:01]
mircea_popescu i got a reputation to amazingly protect here. [03:01]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [03:01]
Mats_cd03 lol [03:01]
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amazing hi [03:01]
benkay mircea_popescu: i know how to cook! [03:01]
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benkay amazing popescu [03:02]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [03:02]
mircea_popescu benkay you don't and i can tell just by looking at that poor excuse of a plate. [03:02]
benkay gtfo [03:02]
benkay i hand fried those potatoes [03:02]
Mats_cd03 anyway like i was saying, i think some farmer had bought bad feed for his pigs and accidentally poisoned them [03:02]
mircea_popescu i have a lot more experience with noob cook chicks than you imagine my friend. [03:02]
mircea_popescu that's lashable cooking. [03:02]
kakobrekla mircea_popescu isnt it easier to just limit nubbins` ? [03:02]
benkay what's wrong with my plate?! [03:02]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla but he's so small! [03:02]
Mats_cd03 and whos going to dig a proper hole for all of those bodies? thats fucking laborious [03:03]
Mats_cd03 so he put them on the back of a pickup and then dropped them off somewhere upstream [03:03]
mircea_popescu benkay it looks like someone who can't cook made it. [03:03]
mircea_popescu Mats_cd03 either that or there was a pig geyser sprout on the river bed. [03:03]
benkay bah you and your aesthetics [03:03]
benkay viewport this [03:03]
benkay arrangement of nutritive items that [03:04]
mircea_popescu tis not a matter of aesthetics. [03:04]
mircea_popescu tis a matter of i can tell if the carpenter is a noob by whether his "chair" is fucking level. [03:04]
nubbins` Mats_cd03 yes, the meatballs were homemade [03:04]
benkay oooooooh [03:04]
Mats_cd03 id eat your homemade meatballs, nubbins` [03:04]
mircea_popescu homeball his mademeats too [03:05]
Mats_cd03 ... wink [03:05]
nubbins` kakobrekla you can't hold me down! [03:05]
mircea_popescu ok, honesty time : [03:05]
mircea_popescu i always thought nubbins are the little bumps around the nipple on an aroused areola. [03:05]
Mats_cd03 i have those [03:05]
mircea_popescu stop ruining it for me. [03:05]
Mats_cd03 sorry [03:05]
benkay me too. [03:05]
mike_c benkay: eggs are overcooked. that yolk's gotta run. [03:05]
mircea_popescu you're too young to have areolae. [03:06]
benkay ya well, the plate was in the oven keeping the bacon warm [03:06]
benkay i did fuck the yolks up. [03:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0444 = 0.1332 BTC [-] [03:06]
mircea_popescu he thinks he can cute :D so adowable! [03:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06887978 = 0.3444 BTC [-] {2} [03:06]
mircea_popescu s/cute/cooke [03:06]
benkay keep going [03:06]
benkay alright fine you got me [03:06]
mike_c the potatoes look raw [03:06]
Mats_cd03 horrible cooking dude [03:06]
benkay i'm an engineer [03:06]
* benkay throws up his hands [03:07]
mircea_popescu are you a c0k engineer ? [03:07]
mircea_popescu i mean c00k [03:07]
Mats_cd03 its impressive you havent accidentally poisoned yourself yet [03:07]
benkay coke, but you know [03:07]
mike_c Mats_cd03: he hasn't eaten it yet :) [03:07]
mircea_popescu Mats_cd03 well if he ends up in east river... [03:07]
kakobrekla by the looks of it its deliberate [03:07]
mircea_popescu benkay gf comes home from her trip, finds dead pigglet, hauls him to pickup truck [03:08]
mircea_popescu (they have a pickup in ny!) [03:08]
benkay i love you guys too. [03:08]
benkay sad truth is i'm fishing for a second housekeeper cum cock sucker [03:09]
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benkay i guess the assettes don't deliver? [03:09]
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benkay mo i'm going to poison myself [03:09]
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mircea_popescu well then your cum'd be poisonous. [03:09]
benkay i don't know the difference between brotein and carboderprates [03:09]
mircea_popescu hahaha [03:10]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: re: earlier thing: 'griggs vs. duke power co.' [03:10]
asciilifeform ;;google griggs vs duke power co. [03:10]
gribble Griggs v. Duke Power Co. - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Landmark: Griggs v. Duke Power Co. | NAACP LDF: ; Griggs v. Duke Power Company | The Oyez Project at IIT Chicago ...: [03:10]
moiety sup benkay? [03:10]
benkay girl left [03:10]
benkay i can't cook [03:10]
benkay halp [03:10]
moiety i entirely passed out earlier D: [03:10]
moiety oh jesus [03:10]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah but that's ability to perform the job, you know ? [03:11]
moiety do you have a toaster [03:11]
benkay no toasters are convenience tools of the devil [03:11]
benkay also i live in murka and have to compromise on counterspace [03:11]
mircea_popescu moiety> do you have a toaster <<< ahaha fucken epic. [03:11]
mircea_popescu benkay "halp halp i need to cook" moiety, always motherly, starts small. "toaster ?" [03:11]
benkay this isn't funny mircea_popescu i'm going to die [03:12]
moiety prexactly - convenience. i think toasters are good because they have a timer, you cant burn the house down. please buy one [03:12]
mircea_popescu death is kinda funny... [03:12]
benkay yeah normally i'm into snuff too but today it's meeeee [03:12]
mircea_popescu so wait! benkay was shooting for two girls but in the end his one had enough and now he's... mancooking ? [03:12]
mircea_popescu o this is cartoon worthy [03:13]
moiety wait, you mean properly left? not just away for the weekend? [03:13]
benkay no its just for the weekend [03:13]
tg2 Shiiit, ltcponzi 500 ltc in 40 minutes :/ [03:13]
benkay WAIT NO HALP [03:13]
moiety oh i was gonna say you need to get a microwave too [03:13]
mircea_popescu moiety so far he thinks it's temporary. [03:13]
Mats_cd03 benkay: how2cookthings [03:14]
tg2 Fack [03:14]
tg2 Gotta start going this lol [03:14]
benkay Mats_cd03: that has sugar in it [03:14]
Mats_cd03 are you diabetic [03:14]
benkay i will be if i cook myself goddamn pralines all the time [03:14]
mircea_popescu "how to become diabetic in three easy steps" [03:14]
benkay bake? [03:14]
benkay does one cook or bake pralines? [03:14]
Mats_cd03 it was mostly the website and not the link, but i do love me some pralines [03:14]
mircea_popescu bake, bitch an' gargle [03:15]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: re: griggs: this was one of those cases that ended in creating a 'talmudic wall' (as the hassid jews call this situation) [03:15]
Mats_cd03 is baking [03:15]
benkay fuck baking [03:15]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform so it was. [03:15]
asciilifeform not until recently did anyone dare to give even vaguely intellectual puzzles to potential hires [03:15]
benkay so much time [03:15]
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Mats_cd03 youll live longer if you eat baked goods [03:15]
asciilifeform because of the 'disparate impact' (actual legal term) standard established by griggs [03:15]
asciilifeform (ianal!) [03:15]
Mats_cd03 (over range-top cooking of meats) [03:15]
Mats_cd03 me, i'm trying to live forever [03:16]
qwebirc471694 fact: bears eat beets [03:16]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform and of course it is, as always, based on the commerce clause. [03:16]
benkay eh, forever's overrated [03:16]
mircea_popescu one almost dares hope that a wholesale repeal of commerce clause jurisprudence may fix teh us [03:16]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: as is virtually everything done by usg post-fdr [03:16]
asciilifeform that's like hoping for a cancellation of ckkpss. oh wait. [03:17]
benkay mircea_popescu: never going to happen. [03:17]
moiety ok so benkay do you have any little hard yellow shaped things in the kitchen that look like this? [03:17]
benkay haw [03:17]
moiety :P [03:17]
benkay there are hard things in the kitchen for sure [03:17]
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benkay dunno bout past [03:17]
benkay pasta [03:17]
moiety qwebirc471694: excellent fact [03:17]
mircea_popescu benkay gimme the heavenly forge for a week, it'll happen. [03:17]
qwebirc471694 ahhh I'm losing my name [03:18]
mircea_popescu hm, am i the only one that knows what the heavenly forge is ? [03:18]
moiety benkay, this is worse than i thought. just phone a pizza for now [03:18]
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Mats_cd03 i looked it up on google and the second link was '' [03:18]
benkay mircea_popescu: what are you on about [03:19]
TestingUnoDosTre there we go [03:19]
mircea_popescu the heavenly forge is this quill [03:19]
kakobrekla order a pizza and put in a toaster [03:19]
Mats_cd03 so the heavenly forge is definitely fan fiction right? [03:19]
mircea_popescu and whatever it writes, is the future. [03:19]
moiety kakobrekla: you are a man too huh [03:19]
mike_c lol kako. i agree. [03:19]
benkay can i get a pizza with bacon on it? [03:19]
mircea_popescu ;;google "nor all your piety nor wit" [03:19]
gribble Edward FitzGerald (poet) - Wikiquote: ; The Moving Finger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Omar Khayyám - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: [03:19]
asciilifeform aha that one [03:19]
moiety benkay from dominos, yep [03:19]
asciilifeform everyone in usa knows that one [03:19]
asciilifeform because of clinton [03:19]
mircea_popescu please redirect all things which are bacon to benkay [03:19]
kakobrekla moiety i did came through didnt it. [03:19]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform lol [03:19]
asciilifeform it's true! [03:19]
benkay i don't need all the bacon sheesh that'd be greedy now [03:20]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2964 @ 0.00093954 = 2.7848 BTC [-] [03:20]
* moiety nods at kakobrekla - just a wee bit [03:20]
mircea_popescu benkay trade it for sum bitches [03:20]
mircea_popescu dem bitches looooove that bacon [03:20]
TestingUnoDosTre didn't we have some bacon ritz yesterday? [03:20]
cazalla should i register a gpg key in addition to bitcoin address for wot or is a bitcoin address enough? [03:21]
asciilifeform 'the moving finger writes, and having writ...' [03:21]
moiety men: toasters, youredoinitwrong [03:21]
benkay ah yes squirtable bacon [03:21]
benkay "come here baby let me squirt some bacon on you. mircea popescu said bitches love bacon." [03:21]
moiety cazalla: more other way around, key>address [03:21]
Mats_cd03 centrifugal deep fat fryer for that delicious crisp layer of chicken... [03:21]
ozbot SPINFRESH Automatic Fryer - Perfect Fry Company [03:21]
cazalla moiety: thanks, time to learn this gpg stuff i guess [03:22]
mircea_popescu cazalla both work [03:22]
moiety cazalla: use BingoBoingo's guide. best way, one sec [03:22]
benkay cazalla you don't need to put bitcoin address into wot [03:22]
benkay in fact, might not be a great idea [03:22]
benkay addrs and identities are two separate extremes on the spectrum [03:23]
benkay addrs disposable [03:23]
benkay identities inso [03:23]
mircea_popescu you can change them anyway. [03:23]
mircea_popescu log in with either, update the other as needed. [03:23]
benkay naw [03:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.00094071 = 8.4194 BTC [+] [03:23]
benkay gpg for comms, btc for $$$ [03:23]
TestingUnoDosTre which one was the BingoBoingo guide? [03:23]
benkay ;;google drinking record gpg [03:24]
gribble PGP/GPG Guide | Bingo Blog: ; Signature Thursday: Geany a GUI text editor for GPG tasks | Bingo ...: ; Bingo Blog | - of Bitcoin and Boingo: [03:24]
moiety [03:24]
ozbot PGP/GPG Guide | Bingo Blog [03:24]
moiety see lol i slow [03:24]
benkay we'll larn you yet [03:24]
moiety got distracted saving tabs... ironically to speed up browser [03:25]
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moiety couldn't you have a couple of people using an address though? [03:26]
benkay moiety! [03:26]
mircea_popescu it's not a bed. [03:27]
moiety if i just missed something glaringly obvious, forgive me, i did just wake up. I've shared an address before, is all [03:28]
mircea_popescu [03:28]
mircea_popescu anyone know the car brand ? [03:28]
benkay trabamborghini [03:28]
asciilifeform moiety: this'd be more like sharing toothbrush. [03:28]
mircea_popescu moiety how've you shared an address, ye hussy! [03:28]
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moiety benkay the badge is right there! citroen [03:29]
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moiety and for the site. me + dev had access [03:29]
mircea_popescu well it's not really how they're supposed to work. [03:30]
mircea_popescu so don't do that. [03:30]
mircea_popescu make two or w/e. [03:30]
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mircea_popescu and wd on the citroen! it may be a trabamborghini, but it's the french trabamborghini. [03:30]
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asciilifeform trabazerati. [03:31]
moiety thats fair enough, i was just at that point having everything done for me [03:31]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform if you're going there, trapzderati [03:31]
asciilifeform lol [03:32]
moiety citroens arent very good though [03:32]
mircea_popescu better than vauxhalls. [03:32]
moiety very true [03:32]
moiety also, citroen>renault if we are keeping to french [03:33]
moiety everything over vauxhall (unless its a ford) [03:33]
benkay moiety: you might be the first person with a good reason to implement m of n signing [03:36]
benkay lol doge m of n [03:36]
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moiety i don't personally doge, well i mined 41 to learn the process. such wealth. [03:38]
benkay are there any alts which one can mine with a cpu and at least get a few? [03:38]
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benkay dage i gather, but does that still hold true? [03:39]
moiety plenty, in the beginning at least, all the galters are cpu poolers too [03:39]
benkay maybe the infinitely inflating currencies live on in the processors of cpus and gpus [03:39]
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benkay as their value decreases, so does hashpower from professionals applied against them. [03:40]
benkay haha [03:40]
moiety are scrypt asics a thing yet? [03:42]
benkay tg2: ^^ [03:43]
PObro kncMiner has some scrypt miners for Q2/Q3 this year. [03:43]
PObro w [03:44]
tg2 Gridseeds are out already [03:45]
tg2 knc is gonna kill it though [03:45]
cads moiety: at least one company I've seen are claiming to be shipping a scrypt asic [03:46]
benkay have a good evening, everyone! [03:46]
tg2 I hope scrypt responds poorly to Asic difficulty hike [03:47]
cads though I thought the memory requirements of scrypt is what made it inefficient to try to solve with an asic. [03:47]
tg2 Less efficient [03:47]
tg2 still 50x more than gpu lol [03:47]
cads gotcha [03:48]
tg2 Vs 1000x more with sha256 asics [03:48]
moiety cads: great, a bfl v2?! [03:48]
cads bfl? [03:48]
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tg2 vertcoin is the only hope for no-asic and I'm sure it will happen [03:48]
tg2 Their implementation is dumb [03:49]
moiety Big Fucking Liars aka Butterfly Labs [03:49]
tg2 Knc is legit though [03:49]
cads has no researcher investigated mixed hash approaches? [03:49]
tg2 Cads, look into x11 cpins [03:49]
tg2 Coins* namely darkcoin [03:49]
asciilifeform why this mega-interest in coins optimized for botnet mining? [03:50]
tg2 Lol [03:50]
jborkl Wtf is going on in here [03:50]
tg2 Cause botters dos exchanges to make $ [03:50]
cads lol, x11's site begins "With professional Scrypt mining hardware on the way it is time to look for the best alternative hashing solution that will keep crypto currency within reach of everyone." [03:50]
asciilifeform 'cpu optimized' == 'botnet optimized' [03:50]
asciilifeform what part of this is a secret [03:50]
cads asciilifeform: nice [03:50]
cads I hadn't thought that [03:51]
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tg2 Even gpu is swarm friendly [03:51]
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cads right [03:51]
tg2 35% of systems have discrete gpu [03:51]
tg2 Including phones [03:51]
cads because kids/manchildren with hefty gaming gpus [03:51]
mircea_popescu actually, as a purely academic point, does anyone know a hash that is genuinely cpu-favourable ? [03:51]
asciilifeform heterogeneity of gpu makes the bot artist's job tricky [03:51]
mircea_popescu none of this ram ostrich bs [03:52]
cads asciilifeform: I would use haskell [03:52]
moiety americans: do you have a gov site dedicated to people records? [03:52]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: cpu-friendly vs. what? [03:52]
mircea_popescu moiety no, they don't have central government. [03:52]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform basically, a huge lot of control instructions somehow [03:52]
asciilifeform easy. [03:52]
asciilifeform here's a simple one [03:52]
cads god it would be so great to find out these guys actually use next generation compiler tech to specialize their viruses to the hardware :) [03:52]
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asciilifeform encode payload as bits on a grid, and run cellular automaton [03:53]
asciilifeform e.g. langton's ant [03:53]
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mircea_popescu o yeah [03:53]
asciilifeform or 'life' [03:53]
moiety ty mircea_popescu [03:53]
mircea_popescu yeah srsly, graph anything. good point [03:53]
mircea_popescu would it hold as a hash tho [03:53]
asciilifeform say, 1e8-th state is the hash. [03:53]
asciilifeform or rather, a conventional cryptographic hash thereof [03:53]
asciilifeform (of the grid bits) [03:53]
mircea_popescu a right [03:53]
mircea_popescu no good reason not to chain them [03:54]
asciilifeform to make it 'asic-hostile', demand an outlandishly large grid. [03:54]
mircea_popescu then again, at least for life there are purely math algos [03:54]
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asciilifeform there's exactly one - 'hashlife' [03:54]
mircea_popescu well a bunch of derivations but ok [03:54]
asciilifeform [03:55]
cads asciilifeform: is hashlife hard or surprisingly easy to understand? [03:55]
asciilifeform surprisingly easy [03:55]
asciilifeform langton's ant is a bit more interesting [03:55]
asciilifeform in that the answer is very compact [03:55]
mircea_popescu it's not hard. [03:55]
asciilifeform the ant always ends up 'building a road' [03:55]
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asciilifeform the output of the 'hash' can be 'starting on which move' [03:56]
asciilifeform this doesn't require you to hash the entire playing field [03:56]
cads looking up "hash life" on youtube got me to a video by "Swag Sensei" [03:56]
asciilifeform and there is presently no known means of predicting, other than by running the ant, when the bridge will be built [03:56]
asciilifeform and there is, afaik, no proof that it is always built [03:56]
asciilifeform but no known counter-example either. [03:56]
cads oh it's just smart memoization [03:57]
asciilifeform everyone is invited to try it [03:57]
cads durp [03:57]
cads nothing like stochastic/predictive? [03:57]
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asciilifeform ;;google langton's ant [03:57]
gribble Langton's ant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Langton's Ant - YouTube: ; Langton's Ant -- from Wolfram MathWorld: [03:57]
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asciilifeform incidentally, hashlife starts grinding to sub-naive speed if your playing field is complex [03:59]
asciilifeform (highly entropic) [03:59]
asciilifeform because it no longer compresses. [03:59]
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asciilifeform given that GOL is proven turing-complete, it would follow that there is no generic shortcut to nth-state [04:00]
asciilifeform unless p == np [04:00]
asciilifeform (and possibly not even then) [04:00]
samO_ haven't had internet conn. for almost two days! nearly lost my mind... :D what happend in the mean time, anything significant? [04:00]
asciilifeform one could make an arbitrarily hardware-unfriendly 'hash' using automata, merely by demanding a large and well-entropic (crypto hash of payload, bit-spread) playing field [04:01]
asciilifeform and a turing-complete automaton [04:01]
VanCleef the fuck is up with havelock [04:01]
tg2 I have a useful distributed work coin project on the burner [04:01]
VanCleef shit dont even work properly anymore [04:01]
VanCleef useless site [04:01]
asciilifeform make the field large enough, and everyone is reduced to swapping to disk! [04:01]
tg2 gonna be better than wasting hashes on nothing [04:01]
asciilifeform (why anyone should wish this is another question.) [04:02]
samO_ also, is there a chat log history of this channel somewhere? thx! [04:02]
tg2 Just Google your username [04:02]
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tg2 Who admins havelock [04:03]
tg2 Niggas need some help [04:03]
tg2 Not even a heavy site to lift [04:04]
asciilifeform paging herr doktor wolfram! [04:04]
asciilifeform who loves stealing useless ideas [04:05]
asciilifeform let him steal this one! [04:05]
asciilifeform ;;google wolfram batshit egomania [04:05]
gribble Stephen Wolfram, A New Kind of Science: ; Ten Years of Monster Raving Egomania and Utter Batshit Insanity: ; Collection of Reviews of Wolfram's A New Kind of Science, Etc...: [04:05]
asciilifeform there we go. [04:05]
mircea_popescu samO_ who'd you be ? [04:06]
mircea_popescu ;;topic [04:07]
gribble || || || [04:07]
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asciilifeform proposed algo, for those who insist: [04:11]
asciilifeform take j x k bit playing field. [04:11]
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asciilifeform fill bits, in sequence, with sha2(xxx), then sha2(sha2(xxx)).... until field is full [04:11]
asciilifeform then run langton's ant, starting from the middle of the field [04:12]
asciilifeform output is an integer, N [04:12]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell benkay "One cannot issue ratings until one is rated oneself. This is a useful feature that prevents a lot of misuse of the system. If scammers cannot stuff the WoT database with their sockpuppets, they cannot artificially inflate their ratings. Granted, the mechanism is weak and easily gamed, but the simple presence of a barrier reduces much malfeasance." this made no sense. you know it made no sense. why [04:12]
mircea_popescu is it there then !? [04:12]
gribble The operation succeeded. [04:12]
asciilifeform corresponding to 'bridge is being built' [04:12]
asciilifeform alternatively, run 'life' on the entire field, for M moves, and output is sha(field) [04:13]
mircea_popescu in fact! [04:13]
mircea_popescu you can have difficulty scale as... the size of the field. [04:13]
asciilifeform as i said above. [04:14]
mircea_popescu a you did ? [04:14]
asciilifeform [04:14]
ozbot #bitcoin-assets log [04:14]
mircea_popescu what i mean is [04:14]
mircea_popescu the mining difficulty parameter is not some arbitrary zerofill [04:14]
mircea_popescu but the size of the field to compute. [04:14]
asciilifeform well yes. [04:14]
asciilifeform that'd be how it has to be. [04:14]
asciilifeform now all you need is a reason to actually do this. [04:15]
mircea_popescu how many numbers are the product of two others ? [04:15]
mircea_popescu all nonprimes basically huh. [04:15]
asciilifeform not incl. 1? [04:15]
mircea_popescu in fact you can allow life on a 1 wide grid couldn't you [04:15]
asciilifeform certainly [04:15]
asciilifeform although it would need to be called something else [04:16]
mircea_popescu yeah, i think the lowest would be 3 ? or 5 ? [04:16]
mircea_popescu maybe 5. [04:16]
asciilifeform most possible cellular automata degenerate to a steady state rather than give the kind of 'soup' one normally looks for. [04:17]
asciilifeform (yet another 'discovery' by people long ago that herr W claimed for himself) [04:17]
chetty [04:21]
ozbot White House regulate cow flatulence climate agenda | The Daily Caller [04:21]
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asciilifeform so long as you use an automaton that has been proven turing-complete, and use a reasonably entropic starting field state, you're pretty much safe from shortcuts [04:22]
asciilifeform and people are stuck having to compute the state transitions for the whole field, as many times as specified [04:22]
asciilifeform unless p == np, rocks fall, crypto dies [04:23]
asciilifeform likewise, scaling the difficulty in time and space becomes trivial. [04:23]
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cazalla moiety: that gpg guide is good, this was much easier than i thought it would be [04:24]
moiety cazalla: yeah definately, i got the live version :D he is a very good sensei [04:26]
asciilifeform anyone who has the apparently common distaste for the asic folks should give this some thought. [04:26]
MisterE morning dudes [04:28]
MisterE asciilifeform: did you read tg2's analysis of sha-356 asics vs scrypt asics on bitcointalk? [04:29]
MisterE 256* [04:29]
asciilifeform MisterE: nope. i pretty much never see bitcointalk [04:29]
MisterE it's realy good and concise [04:29]
asciilifeform except when linked here - and even then, every 50th time or so [04:29]
MisterE yea from what I can tell its mostly trash [04:29]
MisterE I will find it [04:30]
kakobrekla trash mixed with gold [04:30]
kakobrekla but mostly trash [04:30]
asciilifeform any surprises therein for folks who understand the algos? [04:30]
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mircea_popescu gold mixed with comedy [04:30]
mircea_popescu but mostly comedy [04:30]
stompysteve anyone got any info on neo and whats going on past they stopped trading due to sus activity [04:31]
mircea_popescu stompysteve read the log will you. [04:31]
stompysteve sorry [04:31]
mircea_popescu who had that link ? [04:31]
asciilifeform sha-356!? [04:31]
MisterE asciilifeform: probably not for you it's about the state of and medium-term future of hardware and mfgr. proceses [04:31]
mircea_popescu stompysteve [04:32]
asciilifeform the ideal botnet-optimized (i.e. what scrypt wants to be) algo is described above. [04:33]
mircea_popescu MisterE so link it [04:33]
MisterE searching my logs now [04:33]
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MisterE oh it's on litecointalk thats why didn't find it right away... [2014-03-27T12:19:20+0700] // Discourse welcome! [04:36]
asciilifeform ;;google heusser satcoin [04:38]
gribble SAT solving - An alternative to brute force bitcoin mining: ; Proof of concept code for SAT-based bitcoin mining: ; jheusser/satcoin · GitHub: [04:38]
tg2 Yeah knc updated their numbers, I should update the post [04:38]
asciilifeform 'Current/Next gen bitcoin/sha256 asics are already at the forefront of manufacturing process, they cannot get more power efficient without waiting for a new manufacturing process to be available (14nm)' << nah [04:38]
mircea_popescu tg2 you realise people wouldn't build the ram as part of the asic do you ? [04:38]
asciilifeform why brute force. it's like nobody gives a rat's arse enough to even try [04:38]
tg2 They went for the "less ram faster latency" approach [04:38]
asciilifeform hence 'lifecoin'. you're stuck with the RAM [04:39]
tg2 I stand by my analysis though that it won't be near as prolific as sha256 [04:39]
mircea_popescu nearly as prolific as bitcoin miners they will never be [04:39]
tg2 Although knc sure is trying to prove me wrong lol [04:39]
MisterE and won't depreciate so quickly like sha-256 2nd gen [04:39]
mircea_popescu the reason, of course, is that bitcoin is worth three to four degrees of magnitude more. [04:39]
MisterE I heard knc was not reliable and they have had a lot of delivery misses int he past? [04:40]
midnightmagic mikaeldi1e MiningBuddy mircea_popescu MisterE mixdio_ [04:40]
mircea_popescu MisterE not as bad as all that. [04:40]
MisterE ok [04:40]
tg2 They are probably one of the best right now [04:40]
MisterE they also mine so there is a conflict of interest iirc? [04:40]
tg2 Hashfast are clowns [04:40]
MisterE oh, perhaps I'm confused with another 3 letter mfgr? [04:40]
tg2 They assemble them out of house [04:40]
tg2 at a workshop 5 minutes from my office [04:41]
asciilifeform i've always wondered if folks interested in mining despite the negative ROI are really just looking to convert fiat to btc by whatever means possible. [04:41]
tg2 Yeah I think that's a way to look at it [04:41]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform how about the people who "invest" despite negative roi ? [04:41]
tg2 Don't forget gpu's hold some value [04:41]
tg2 shit even shoddy first gen sha fpga's are still being sold lol [04:42]
MisterE and generate transactions that help keep the network healthy [04:42]
mircea_popescu rational behaviour isn't exactly the rule. [04:42]
MisterE BTC still has a gold rush mentality that personally I dont think is doing speculators any favors [04:42]
asciilifeform think of it this way - some people are prepared to pay double, triple, the 'usual' cost for btc, so long as they aren't using an exchange [04:42]
asciilifeform esp. americans [04:42]
MisterE smart ones supply the miners and speculators [04:43]
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TestingUnoDosTre ;;d [04:43]
gribble Error: "d" is not a valid command. [04:43]
asciilifeform not everyone has an 'otc' vendor that they're willing to trust [04:43]
TestingUnoDosTre say wahat gribble? [04:43]
mircea_popescu .d [04:43]
ozbot 5.007 billion | Next Diff in 1326 blocks | Estimated Change: 15.9722% in 7d 17h 34m 28s [04:43]
MisterE asciilifeform: the mining centers I've read abotu who are doing it right have paid back their investments within months [04:43]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform those people trade otc. [04:43]
MisterE there was just the article in Ars abotu the guy who controls ~10% of hash rate [04:44]
asciilifeform MisterE: large concerns with ready access to the latest widgets, sure. [04:44]
mircea_popescu well i guess, but it's becoming edge-r and edge-r [04:44]
asciilifeform the poor schmucks buying thirdhand asic, not so much [04:44]
MisterE but medium - small guys are throwing money away? [04:44]
MisterE lol ok [04:44]
mircea_popescu it's really very hit and miss. [04:44]
asciilifeform but there's a standpoint from which it makes sense to buy a junk miner [04:45]
mircea_popescu "large concerns" that thought they had access to the latest widgets expected to come out... november 2012 are mostly bankrupt today [04:45]
MisterE yea tg2 does a good job explaining that depreciation, expecially of 2nd gen sha-256 asics [04:45]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: that'd be because the only way to have reliable access to latest xxx is to... build it [04:45]
tg2 Yeah I pitty anybody who dropped btc on a bfl product [04:45]
mircea_popescu MisterE it's a theory. it's not outrageously or massively wrong, but im not too persuaded. [04:45]
MisterE [04:46]
ozbot Meet the manic miner who wants to mint 10% of all new bitcoins | Ars Technica [04:46]
tg2 Even the "next gen" 600gh is garbage [04:46]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform not even. more builders went out of business than stayed in. [04:46]
MisterE yea BFL really scammed a lot [04:46]
MisterE my buddy ordered a 10mh box and was shopped a 7mh box [04:46]
asciilifeform some people will spend 2K usd to get 1 btc, if it means they don't have to bend over for 'aml' crapola or trust someone [04:46]
mircea_popescu ahh, remember the days when am was derping about "having 30% of all hashing for a year" [04:46]
MisterE they are being sued [04:46]
MisterE a lot [04:46]
mircea_popescu it was.... six months ago ? [04:46]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform someone they'll still be trusting. [04:47]
tg2 I honestly think they started out with the goal of scamming and then btc blew up so fast lol [04:47]
mircea_popescu unless they're taking a microscope to the box, who's to say what's in there ? [04:47]
asciilifeform think 'silk road' and 'why didn't they just go to the dark alley to buy the coke' [04:47]
MisterE well performance doesn't lie heh [04:47]
MisterE plus I thing it was stamped on the box [04:47]
tg2 I hope this Canadian class action against gox bears some fruit [04:48]
mircea_popescu anyway, i'm off. take it easy all. [04:48]
MisterE BFL could not deliver the product my buddy ordered and instead of refunding sent a lesser spec [04:48]
asciilifeform from this crackpot theory, mining doesn't need to have much +EV so long as it isn't too far in the minus. [04:48]
tg2 I'm glad they decided to do it, they were on the fence about it for a few days [04:48]
mircea_popescu you mean ? [04:48]
MisterE I hope they all do [04:48]
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ozbot The psychology of the bagholder pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [14:55]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell benkay asciilifeform you've been mentioned ^ [14:55]
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artifexd mircea_popescu You make me sad. I wanted to believe in NeoBee. [15:02]
VanCleef that was your first mistake [15:03]
mircea_popescu yeah generally a pragmatic approach works better. there are more things we want to believe in than can be done. [15:03]
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psterryl so people are saying neobee is a scam now? [15:04]
VanCleef yeah its official [15:04]
mircea_popescu just poorly managed. [15:04]
bounce but, I like that poster! [15:04]
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psterryl how is it official vancleef? [15:04]
psterryl since there's been no official statement [15:04]
psterryl seems like rumour to me [15:05]
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psterryl until someone points to some legit evidence or a statement from LMB/neo/danny [15:05]
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mircea_popescu psterryl what's your reasoning process here ? [15:05]
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psterryl my reasoning is evidence based [15:06]
psterryl without evidence either way [15:06]
mircea_popescu i mean specifically in this deduction : [15:06]
mircea_popescu so people are saying neobee is a scam now? [15:06]
mircea_popescu yeah its official until someone points to some legit evidence or a statement from LMB/neo/danny [15:06]
psterryl it's impossible to call it one way or the other [15:06]
mircea_popescu no, this is neither reasonable nor novel material. [15:06]
mircea_popescu it's been covered to death why " it's impossible to call it one way or the other" doesn't work and doesn't hold, over the years [15:07]
mircea_popescu you'll have to refer to the logs. [15:07]
psterryl i'm just talking from my own personal viewpoint [15:07]
psterryl everyone is entitled to their own opinions/deductions [15:07]
psterryl i like to be shown conclusive proof [15:08]
psterryl rather than get caught up in internet chinese whispers [15:08]
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mircea_popescu no, everyone is not entitled to their own personal viewpoint. [15:09]
psterryl oh ok [15:09]
mircea_popescu the path is 1) you prove you're able to think ; 2) you're entitled to your own viewpoint. [15:09]
psterryl so everyone is entitled to the mircea approved viewpoint? [15:09]
mircea_popescu so far you're short 1. [15:09]
mircea_popescu no. [15:09]
psterryl well, my 1st class university degree should suggest i'm ok for #1 [15:10]
mircea_popescu but there is such a thing as an examen de maturite which keeps the children away from human society. [15:10]
psterryl but you're just some random guy on the internet [15:10]
mircea_popescu you may not suggest that. i have to suggest it, when you're talking to me, [15:10]
bounce eh, opinions are like assholes. everyone's got one. whether they matter is something else entirely. [15:10]
psterryl so it's not like i have to prove anything to you [15:10]
psterryl ok cool [15:10]
psterryl well [15:10]
mircea_popescu and generally everyone else, when you're talking to them. [15:10]
psterryl in that cuse [15:10]
cazalla popcorn.gif [15:10]
psterryl as of this moment, i'm officially talking to everyone in this channel apart from you [15:10]
psterryl so you dont need to worry [15:10]
mircea_popescu aite. [15:10]
Usage: IGNORE [15:10]
psterryl!*@* added to ignore list. [15:10]
cbr *clap clap clap clap* [15:10]
ThickAsThieves statistically, ignoring mp is ignoring like half its content [15:11]
ThickAsThieves (the channel's) [15:11]
punkman1 psterryl: congratulations, you've removed all doubt [15:11]
ThickAsThieves [15:12]
ozbot #bitcoin-assets stats [15:12]
chetty here the dick is the insightful [15:12]
artifexd Those qualities are not mutually exclusive. [15:12]
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VanCleef psterryl i think this might help - [15:12]
ThickAsThieves also "mean" and "dick" are emotional observations [15:13]
ThickAsThieves not quite applicable to substance [15:13]
mircea_popescu VanCleef i thought the freudian/jungian approach was poo = moneys. [15:13]
VanCleef that would be good [15:13]
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VanCleef i had to check my pants before when i woke up [15:14]
ThickAsThieves the life a monkey! [15:14]
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mircea_popescu haha [15:14]
ThickAsThieves i dunno [15:14]
ThickAsThieves did you bother asking why? [15:15]
ThickAsThieves maybe he has logic behind his claims [15:15]
ThickAsThieves you never felt like some people's opinion's dont deserve the weight they carry [15:15]
ThickAsThieves ? [15:15]
ThickAsThieves or like the people that are most likely to say "everyone is entitled to their own opinion" are the least likely to have opinions worth considering? [15:16]
ThickAsThieves it's customer-is-always-right syndrome [15:16]
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ThickAsThieves maybe the issue mp has is with entitlement itself [15:17]
ThickAsThieves not the craziest thing to challenge [15:17]
VanCleef anyone have a youtube vid of a robot that's better than asimo? [15:18]
ThickAsThieves if you think mp is self-loathing, you have not read much from him [15:20]
VanCleef stocks are like women....once they lose their value you dump them [15:20]
ThickAsThieves VanCleef, in that example, isnt better to dump them before they lose value? [15:21]
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VanCleef yes but like with women investors get emotionally involved and dont know when to let go [15:21]
VanCleef this is the problem psterryl is having with neobee atm [15:22]
ThickAsThieves a bit of a generalization, but i hear ya [15:22]
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pankkake I thought the limit for women was clear, dump when the age doesn't end in teen [15:24]
mircea_popescu why not just dump them when they get annoying, age-irrespective ? [15:25]
pankkake wait there are non-annoying women?! [15:26]
mircea_popescu yeah! [15:26]
pankkake that didn't use to be a man? [15:26]
mircea_popescu see, if you dump them when they get 20 you're stuck with a bunch of annoying teens [15:26]
mircea_popescu if you dump them when they get annoying you're stuck with a bunch of pleasant women. [15:26]
chetty hey there are a lot of non-annoying women [15:26]
ThickAsThieves maybe you need to write a how to pick up chicks worth picking up blog [15:27]
mircea_popescu chetty dated a lot of em ? [15:27]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves that's simple, "have your girls recommend" [15:27]
ThickAsThieves my girls? [15:28]
ThickAsThieves like exes? [15:28]
mircea_popescu uh [15:28]
mircea_popescu no, because as per previous exes are annoying [15:28]
ThickAsThieves slaves? [15:28]
ThickAsThieves mom? [15:28]
mircea_popescu well slaves if you keep slaves, girlfriends, w/e you got [15:28]
mircea_popescu lol mom. not mom, it works better if you've been intimate. what's urmom know. [15:28]
ThickAsThieves so ask your gf to recommend a new gf? [15:29]
ThickAsThieves lol [15:29]
mircea_popescu then again... deep south... maybe i shouldn't assume [15:29]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves definitely. [15:29]
VanCleef "how to pick up chicks by not talking about bitcoin" [15:29]
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ThickAsThieves "I'm sorry baby, it's just not working out. Got any referrals?" [15:29]
mircea_popescu well you can't dump her [15:29]
mircea_popescu she's not being annoying is she. [15:29]
ThickAsThieves you gotta hold our collective hand a little hear [15:30]
ThickAsThieves here* [15:30]
ThickAsThieves cant find the thread [15:30]
mircea_popescu i am more than willing to continue answering q's. [15:30]
mircea_popescu tis not annoying or anything :D [15:30]
ThickAsThieves i'll rephrase [15:31]
ThickAsThieves shooting in the dark is annoying too [15:31]
ThickAsThieves so far it seems you want a man to ask his not-annoying gf for recommendations [15:32]
mircea_popescu gfs [15:32]
chetty where is your sense of adventure? [15:32]
mircea_popescu it's unlikely a single girl can do much for oyu. [15:32]
ThickAsThieves so we need to rewind to where you suggest a man generally keep multiple gfs [15:32]
mircea_popescu a man does generally keep multiple gfs. [15:33]
[KS] Hi all - you guys are golden. Asssets/scams/2c psychology/women advice etc :) (back to lurking) [15:33]
ThickAsThieves the kind he fucks? [15:33]
Diablo-D3 lol [15:33]
kakobrekla kanzure Keefe Ken` kermit khersonus kill-9all killhamster knotwork_ Kromulus KRS-One kualafinger Kushedout kow [15:33]
ThickAsThieves or the kind he'll talk to? [15:33]
mircea_popescu [KS] hugs and kisses to you too [15:33]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves yes the kind he fucks. [15:33]
* Diablo-D3 has kept multiple gfs. [15:33]
ThickAsThieves anytime i've attempted as much it felt more like being a triple agent than anything [15:34]
mircea_popescu this "lifetime monogamy" thing is a very narrow edge case of human sexual and intimate practice. [15:34]
mircea_popescu both historical and geographical. [15:34]
ThickAsThieves the more they know about each other the more crazy they behave [15:34]
mircea_popescu if they do dump em. [15:34]
ThickAsThieves i see [15:34]
mircea_popescu as per annoying rule. [15:34]
ThickAsThieves heh [15:34]
ThickAsThieves so simple! [15:34]
mircea_popescu indeed. [15:34]
mircea_popescu turns out red wire was there all along :) [15:34]
ThickAsThieves and should man tolerate the reverse? [15:35]
mircea_popescu up to him. [15:35]
ThickAsThieves whether ity annoys him [15:35]
ThickAsThieves still works i guess [15:35]
mircea_popescu indeed. [15:35]
mircea_popescu btw, quick question : einstein had a) no girlfriend ; b) one girlfriend c) two girlfriends or d) thirteen girlfriends. [15:36]
ThickAsThieves a? [15:36]
ThickAsThieves i'm going with intelligence is a burden [15:36]
ThickAsThieves "Albert Einstein had half a dozen girlfriends and told his wife they showered him with "unwanted" affection, according to letters released " [15:37]
mircea_popescu :p [15:37]
Diablo-D3 #smartpeopleproblems [15:37]
ThickAsThieves he married his cousin too [15:38]
Diablo-D3 second cousin [15:38]
kakobrekla did he also eat the neighbors dog? [15:38]
kakobrekla smart people problems. [15:38]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla no, but reports show he occasionally ate the neighbour's bitch. [15:39]
kakobrekla you bitch. [15:39]
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mircea_popescu now to fully establish the other extreme, since nobody seems inclined, we return to scriptae : [15:40]
mircea_popescu It's unfair to quote a 5 year old article but if Alone still believes _that_ analysis has validity...he's missed the forest of leeching for the victimized and disinterested trees. Many women invest their entire lives in what amounts to brazen fraud conducted and perfected to "catch" a guy who is then trapped with no idea how cruelly he's been setup. [15:41]
mircea_popescu Guys lose interest. And women, who hated sex remember (they're not that type of girl), suddenly give the con away. It boils down to this; what are they bringing to the party? [15:41]
mircea_popescu Emotional poison, lies, some shitty repetitive sex (I'll be more romantic when those who believe in the lie that is exclusivity eat the same meal for the rest of their lives), surrogate services, shitty cooking...It doesn't matter that I'm grossly making crude generalizations. I'm right. [15:41]
mircea_popescu And the market agrees with me. Alone missed it. Porn is a better product. If girls want to compete maybe they should get real? Virtual honesty v Virtual Deceit? This is economics. No need for hysterics or water works or expressed feelings. Awwh. [15:41]
mircea_popescu now THIS is self loathing. [15:41]
ThickAsThieves written by a woman? [15:42]
mircea_popescu [15:43]
ozbot The Last Psychiatrist: The Second Story Of Echo And Narcissus [15:43]
mircea_popescu some guy presumably. [15:43]
ThickAsThieves or so he'd like us to believe [15:44]
mircea_popescu i'll give this much credit to the entire progressive movement : while in the 50s there in fact existed schools and other torture implements dedicated to reforming otherwise decent, healthy and loving human beings into the sort of very sad victims of abuse described there, [15:44]
mircea_popescu it's rare now. [15:44]
mircea_popescu so rare that extant examples are almost fascinating for reason of that rarity. [15:44]
ThickAsThieves i imagine dating in your 30s in 40s these days is pretty much all online websites now? [15:45]
chetty huh? Looks like more of those schools out there, just different rules [15:45]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves betas shower the websites, alphas let the girls suggest girls for the club. [15:45]
mircea_popescu chetty how you mean ? [15:45]
mircea_popescu and in completely different yet very related news, "The problem, as the president explained it, is that Putin doesn’t understand how the world is supposed to work" [15:45]
ThickAsThieves projection? [15:46]
mircea_popescu inching along towards the "putin doesn't give a shit about the way i think the world should work" [15:46]
chetty wiht 'leaders' like that no wonder world is such a mess [15:46]
mircea_popescu after which, "putin is satan" [15:46]
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mircea_popescu and now i shall proceed to read the log, so allow me to spam you all even more! [15:46]
ThickAsThieves one thing that isnt so bad about US public communication, is if youve any hint of doubt, you can mostly assume they are saying the opposite of what's true [15:47]
mircea_popescu pravda. [15:49]
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mircea_popescu nice one kakobrekla i tweetered it. [15:55]
mircea_popescu nicknode_ [15:56]
mircea_popescu you don't have to pay anything, unless you're reading a lot of trilema. then it's like i don't recall, .1 cents ? [15:56]
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ThickAsThieves how will we protect ATC from such a fate? [15:57]
mircea_popescu this is a pretty good q. [15:58]
kakobrekla merged mining with btc :( [15:58]
mircea_popescu my own thinking is that if we keep a reasonable floor under it it'll never be productive [15:58]
mircea_popescu in general the best way to reduce irrational behaviour is to control volatility. [15:59]
ThickAsThieves i dont think it could be protected really [15:59]
mircea_popescu kinda the original thinking behind central banks at any rate [15:59]
ThickAsThieves all it would take is one btc farm to point at it [15:59]
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kakobrekla go ahead and try to attack 'nmc' [15:59]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves yes, but why would they ? not worth it. [15:59]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla what about it ? [15:59]
kakobrekla well, its much much harder than atc [16:00]
ThickAsThieves so basically we cant let it bubble either [16:00]
ThickAsThieves or itll draw attention [16:00]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves indeed. this baby will do a bunch if firsts. [16:00]
mircea_popescu first altcoin not premined, first altcoin not allowed to bubble, etc. [16:01]
ThickAsThieves time for the Altcoin Central Bank to make a trading bot [16:01]
mircea_popescu i thought that's why i wrote bingoboingo. [16:01]
kakobrekla how can you 'not allow' it to bubble [16:01]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla by selling. [16:01]
ThickAsThieves yep [16:01]
ThickAsThieves large holders need to give it up when it's time [16:01]
kakobrekla you cant sell enough if the things wants to bubble [16:01]
mircea_popescu try me. [16:01]
ThickAsThieves a new floor might be reached in the process [16:02]
ThickAsThieves but trying alone will help [16:02]
mircea_popescu economy may be a social science, but finance is totally an art. [16:02]
kakobrekla its math, i dont need to try you [16:02]
mircea_popescu :) [16:02]
mircea_popescu math is only the bus ticket taking you to the concert. [16:03]
ThickAsThieves "SchellingCoin: A Minimal-Trust Universal Data Feed" [16:03]
kakobrekla thats fine, i hate concerts. [16:03]
mircea_popescu it's gotten to where i can no longer discern parody from reality. [16:03]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves you made that shit up baby ? [16:04]
ThickAsThieves ive said as much before, for years [16:04]
ThickAsThieves or are you asking me about SchellingCoin? [16:04]
ThickAsThieves it's a fukn Ethereum thing [16:05]
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ThickAsThieves i cant look at any one line without pain [16:05]
ThickAsThieves "The main idea here is called “hedging”, and is best explained in the context of Bitcoin" [16:05]
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mircea_popescu the schelling i was asking about yea [16:06]
ThickAsThieves [16:06]
ThickAsThieves freeze the maths! [16:07]
kakobrekla dafuq [16:07]
mircea_popescu lolwut [16:07]
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mircea_popescu aaahahahaa [16:07]
kakobrekla A court in Fort Worth, Texas, has granted a temporary restraining order to freeze the bitcoin wallets of ASIC mining hardware manufacturer HashFast Technologies LLC and HashFast LLC, after a customer claimed it failed to deliver hardware on time or negotiate a refund. [16:07]
ThickAsThieves “It speaks to the legitimacy of cryptocurrencies and a growing understanding of their value and importance to businesses.” [16:07]
ThickAsThieves the pains [16:07]
mircea_popescu The complaint, which has a Background section with the question “What the heck is a Bitcoin?” also contains an attachment of 30 pages of bitcointalk forum discussion detailing the history of the story from July-August 2013. [16:07]
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mircea_popescu ok, i guess it's announcement time : mpex will not be honoring the forth worth court order, or any similar instrument drawn by any court. [16:08]
kakobrekla why so quick to jump the gun on this while bfl can shit in peoples mouth for years now [16:08]
mircea_popescu any bitcoins received as specified by mpex will be fully credited to the depositor in any and all circumstances. [16:08]
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ThickAsThieves so now courts need to learn to freeze teh geepeegees [16:09]
mircea_popescu courts need to learn the limits of their jurisdiction, preferably. [16:09]
mircea_popescu "At the time of the order, on 1st October 2013, 1 BTC was worth around $126." [16:10]
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mircea_popescu amusingly enough... [16:10]
ThickAsThieves would it be fair to stop assigning a USD value in cases of stolen coins? [16:11]
ThickAsThieves 1 btc = 1btc [16:11]
ThickAsThieves what is owed is 1 btc [16:11]
ThickAsThieves etc [16:11]
mircea_popescu in this court, yes. [16:11]
mircea_popescu in a fiat court, never. [16:11]
mircea_popescu anyway, im off to scream at people who are entitled to their own opinions (over my dead body). bbl. [16:12]
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kakobrekla ahaah [16:13]
kakobrekla [16:13]
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kakobrekla i guess this guy did even worse than me [16:14]
ThickAsThieves lol [16:14]
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ThickAsThieves so AM didnt pay any divs this week? [16:21]
ThickAsThieves yet they got their first wafers on the 22nd [16:21]
ThickAsThieves oh i see [16:22]
ThickAsThieves "The engineering batch of packaged chips will be out in March 28th. After that we can immediately start testing on functionality and power consumption." [16:22]
ThickAsThieves [16:23]
VanCleef no divs from now on [16:23]
VanCleef :( [16:23]
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Mats_cd03 [16:29]
ozbot Bill Murray Stops Bank Robbery In Tokyo, Accidentally - National Report | National Report [16:29]
Mats_cd03 “We love Bill Murray very much in our country, he is very funny man” [16:30]
Mats_cd03 huhuhu [16:30]
VanCleef should have been a scene in lost in translation [16:30]
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moiety good aftermewn [17:02]
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Mats_cd03 good afternoon cuties [17:06]
VanCleef hey sexy [17:06]
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moiety hows everyone's weekend going? [17:10]
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jurov moiety, i'm at bitcoin hackathon... but dunno if such activity suits me [17:26]
bounce so whatchu haxx0rin? [17:29]
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moiety jurov: not having fun? is there a fair bit of folk there? [17:29]
bounce .oO( lots of the fair folk ) [17:30]
moiety lol // or is this the online thing? [17:32]
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jurov no, offline in hackerspace here [17:40]
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jurov but my hard of hearing ears are failing me again, i need one or few people talk directly to me, not scattered talking across the room [17:41]
VanCleef wow havelock is such a fail [17:41]
jurov did sth happen besides neobee? [17:43]
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VanCleef just slow as ass [17:46]
VanCleef i could punch by monitor go out and buy a new one and it would still be loading [17:48]
VanCleef pos [17:48]
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moiety oh i found it jurov, just hit the bar... it accepts btc lol [17:53]
moiety i don't recommend it VanCleef lol using a plug in monitor is such a pain [17:54]
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moiety why is it so slow VanCleef? [17:55]
VanCleef bunch of shit cunts [17:55]
VanCleef that's why [17:55]
VanCleef probably becaouse of am news [17:56]
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VanCleef hope that was me [17:57]
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VanCleef sweet i got the 52's [17:59]
* VanCleef punches monitor anyway [17:59]
moiety lol ^ [17:59]
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dexX7 am @ 0.54? ouch [18:07]
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Mats_cd03 bet itll go to 0.49 by tomorrow [18:15]
kakobrekla [18:16]
ozbot [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings [18:16]
kakobrekla lel wtf is this [18:16]
VanCleef [18:17]
Diablo-D3 nice [18:17]
artifexd Friedcat says the chips work. Price goes down. /confused [18:19]
artifexd [18:19]
ozbot ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It [18:19]
VanCleef what i think happened artifexd is that the page is choking up so much and people are in a panic to buy that they accidently confusing buy with sell instead [18:20]
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dexX7 hey nubbins`, do you still have the "friedcat for president" picture somewhere? :) [18:32]
nubbins` ah! that actually wasn't mine [18:38]
nubbins` the one with granny blades, ya mean? [18:38]
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dexX7 yea [18:40]
dexX7 [18:41]
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nubbins` that was the inspiration for the shirts i did :D [18:45]
dexX7 hehe i see :)) [18:46]
dexX7 must be almost a year ago now [18:46]
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nubbins` june 2013 [18:49]
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pankkake my friedcat shirt is already damaged [18:50]
pankkake scam [18:50]
dexX7 well anyway. is havelock going up in flames or was the issue yesterday related to neo? [18:53]
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nubbins` pankkake that's what happens if you wear it every day ;( [18:55]
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nubbins` !t h neobee [18:56]
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nubbins` ! [18:56]
dexX7 trading was frozen [18:56]
dexX7 or still is, not sure [18:56]
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VanCleef yeh neobee still frozen [18:58]
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mircea_popescu i muxed the who ? [19:31]
mircea_popescu i need someone to translate the forum for the people who normally translate the forum for me ;/ [19:32]
dexX7 wat [19:33]
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mircea_popescu "Yeah, come at me gobment bro! Ahm behind 7 proxies! MPEX got an anthrax email from NSA but he muxed it to double sideband at a lower baud rate and now he's in ur base, killing ur d00dz." [19:34]
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mircea_popescu anyone's guess [19:34]
asciilifeform 'mux' - multiplexer [19:35]
dexX7 haha [19:35]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform no, i know that part. [19:36]
asciilifeform [19:36]
ozbot Double-sideband suppressed-carrier transmission [19:36]
mircea_popescu that's the problem, the words taken disparate work, but somehow they've been put in a soup that fails to anything [19:36]
asciilifeform nth generation 'xerox' of a 'ham radio' joke [19:36]
mircea_popescu oh [19:36]
asciilifeform probably from a hollywood flick [19:37]
mircea_popescu but... DSB-SC is about lower power [19:37]
mircea_popescu baud rate dun enter into it [19:37]
mircea_popescu well technically better coverage i guess, since your power's your power. [19:37]
asciilifeform in hollywood, they appear to use 'shannonizers' to write technical dialogu [19:37]
asciilifeform e [19:37]
asciilifeform and get pieces like this. [19:37]
mircea_popescu ic [19:38]
asciilifeform where'd the turd come from? [19:38]
mircea_popescu le forum [19:38]
asciilifeform aha [19:39]
mircea_popescu [19:39]
ozbot [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings [19:39]
asciilifeform loltron [19:39]
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dexX7 wait. you are herp? [19:42]
dexX7 ah nvm [19:42]
blackwhite hola gents [19:42]
mircea_popescu ello [19:42]
dexX7 hi [19:42]
tg2 Lol hashfast [19:43]
tg2 I told you guys, they aren't even building their own hardware [19:43]
tg2 I know the owner of the company who is assembling their hardware [19:45]
asciilifeform very few people do assembly in-house [19:45]
dexX7 ^ [19:45]
asciilifeform not that 'vertical integration' is unheard of, but it rarely makes sense for a small electronics firm to buy pick'n'place apparatus, ovens, etc. [19:46]
tg2 I could go over there and jack all their units [19:46]
tg2 But there aren't any lol [19:46]
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tg2 Anyway, waiting for alpha-t to get sued into the ground [19:47]
asciilifeform one can get a pick'n'placer for $20-40K (USD), but it isn't magic - someone clueful has to run it [19:47]
asciilifeform like any machine tool, really. [19:48]
asciilifeform even the fabled '3d printer' [19:48]
asciilifeform tends to piss itself half the time, if left alone. [19:48]
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dexX7 related: i was approached by hashfast last year to be a forum shill with a payment of $15/hour in babyjet credits - i declined [19:51]
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Duffer1 i'm not even a little surprised [20:02]
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mircea_popescu [20:06]
ozbot Here’s an idea for you pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [20:06]
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mircea_popescu dexX7 you know, judging by the perpetual X is paid by MPEx "discoveries", "research" and so forth on the forum, im starting to suspect i may be the only one not doing this. [20:07]
mircea_popescu too quickly they think of it for them to not be doing it. [20:08]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: one can buy marine radar domes quite small enough to fit on a car. [20:08]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah, but i would imagine a better adjusted thing may be developed. [20:08]
mircea_popescu i mean, marine radar is not biased for concrete say [20:09]
asciilifeform i vaguely recall that a recent mercedes has radar of some form [20:09]
kakobrekla it doesnt work very well [20:09]
mircea_popescu they've been toying with "assisted parking" for quite a while. [20:10]
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mircea_popescu anyway, whosoever gets anywhere even near a deliverable with this tyhing is getting bought out in short order, and in the higher millions. [20:11]
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asciilifeform afaik, the only parking-related car widget worth mentioning is that japanese mod where all four wheels turn [20:11]
asciilifeform moving the car sideways [20:11]
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mircea_popescu that and the tentacles. [20:12]
asciilifeform bought out in short order, and in the higher millions << might be a little problem once the car behind/in front/side of yours has emitters [20:12]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform no, you polarize the lasers, you use modulated radar, there's solutions [20:13]
asciilifeform then you get folks who go 'well, if we're already broadcasting, let's make exact position radio mandatory, like lights' [20:13]
kakobrekla mux it to lower band rate? [20:13]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla exactly! [20:13]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah well, the perennial possibility of idiots does not really constitute a counterargument. [20:14]
mircea_popescu i never hear anyone propose abstinence on the grounds that fucking may become obligatory otherwise. [20:14]
asciilifeform lol [20:14]
mircea_popescu :D [20:14]
mircea_popescu and yet it has! [20:14]
tg2 I had one idea for a car invention [20:14]
asciilifeform anyone recall the widget the americans used in vietnam, that picked up rf noise from cars? [20:14]
tg2 Proximity sensors on the end of your doors and hydraulic inhibitors on the door hinges [20:15]
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tg2 So your door doesn't open into somebody's car [20:15]
tg2 it would stop just before [20:15]
asciilifeform tg2: that, or rubber bumpers. [20:15]
mircea_popescu rubber bumps sounds cheaperr [20:15]
tg2 Nope this is sans contact [20:15]
tg2 And it stops before [20:16]
mircea_popescu if anyone's seen cars in like rome etc... the even cheaper alternative would be "people stop giving a shit about scratches" [20:16]
tg2 Not putting rubber door bumpers on my 150,000 merc [20:16]
mircea_popescu latin america is like that too [20:16]
asciilifeform i've always thought it odd, that no one, lambo or trambo, makes a car with standardized panels for the outside [20:16]
mircea_popescu no car contains a flat surface of as much as a square inch [20:16]
asciilifeform which one could unbolt and swap at one's leisure [20:16]
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asciilifeform they needn't be flat and rigid [20:17]
tg2 If it can be done with backup proximity sensors [20:17]
tg2 That technology is already nature [20:17]
tg2 Subsurface too now [20:17]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform actually even since the japanese have been working on their female android women replacements, i've been thinking "they'll make cars out of that skin material just as soon as possible" [20:17]
asciilifeform lol! [20:18]
tg2 They have scratch repairing paint already [20:18]
tg2 nissan invented it [20:18]
asciilifeform anyone have the ancient link to the piece re: korean students who go through 2-3 of the 'androids' per year? [20:18]
moiety they need robot women replacements with all the people like karpeles going over and buying their women [20:18]
mircea_popescu moiety think about all the time this is saving you. [20:19]
mircea_popescu kitchen robots were nothing. [20:19]
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* moiety is happy with a toaster, you know this ;P [20:20]
mircea_popescu "even a blind toaster can pinch a careless nipple", or how did that russian proverb go [20:21]
asciilifeform 'Social skills will decline markedly after the advent of sex robots, much like the way electronic calculators degraded arithmetic skills. Because sex robots will finally allow men to be themselves. This will make men even less desirable to real women than they are already, driving men to seek solace with sex robots even more. The cycle will be vicious and I can’t wait for it to start.' [20:22]
moiety lolololol [20:22]
asciilifeform (infamous usenet sage - [20:22]
moiety i dont know any russian proverbs unless manuls are involved [20:23]
mircea_popescu i dunno about that, tbh. if anything, it'll remove a lot of pressure to perform from the mishoden, dysfunctional male humans, which'll make it so much better for the healthy. [20:25]
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asciilifeform 'Some women might, however, choose to coexist with sexbots, just as some European women as they get older tolerate their husbands taking up with younger mistresses. The aging wife gets to keep her status and her stable home. She has all the trappings of marriage, but she no longer functions as her husband’s sexual outlet.' [20:25]
mircea_popescu take sports : a sport that's popular is annoying because all the inept idiots insist to play it. [20:25]
mircea_popescu a sport that's not popular is usually a lot more fun [20:25]
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moietybot MOTD [20:25]
mircea_popescu moietybot should be known as moietybooty [20:26]
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mircea_popescu lol [20:26]
moiety LOL mircea_popescu i dont think i have a big enough arse to qualify [20:26]
mircea_popescu so work it girl! [20:26]
asciilifeform moietybot: someone ought to cross-breed manul with the argentinian 'colocolo' - to get a thicker-yet beast [20:26]
mircea_popescu or with an eagle. [20:27]
mircea_popescu to give it wings. [20:27]
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mircea_popescu imagine! flying manul. [20:27]
moiety i just want one big enough to ride around on, is that so much to ask? [20:27]
asciilifeform most 'felis' can actually cross. [20:27]
moiety omg stuff your flying japanese girl covered cars, i want a flying manul! [20:27]
asciilifeform e.g. african 'serval' and housecat [20:27]
mircea_popescu moiety would you ride around on it naked holding a spear ? [20:27]
moiety so much YES [20:27]
ThickAsThieves --- Futura is my favorite typeface, but the world seems to be catching on [20:28]
mircea_popescu we could call it "the walk of the moieties" [20:28]
moiety wait, can i has a crossbow? [20:28]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves well it also depends on the application imo [20:28]
asciilifeform 'The in-laws won’t be as much of a problem either because the male in-laws will be preoccupied with sexbots of their own, therefore they will have less time on their hands to spend meddling in the lives of their relatives. At family gatherings, the men will gather around to trade sexbot programs, while the women will gather to complain about the men’s sexbots. Or may women will play with their catbots and [20:28]
asciilifeform be happy, while their Oprah-bots listen to them talk about their problems and simulate interest.' [20:28]
mircea_popescu but what do i know, my interaction with typo design was limited to being the phb for a few years. [20:28]
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jurov moiety crossbow is fine as long as you don't wear armor with duck-beaked helmet [20:29]
ThickAsThieves it's certainly got more character than Helvetica [20:29]
ThickAsThieves no pun intended [20:29]
mircea_popescu helvetica is overblown. [20:29]
mircea_popescu jurov duck beaked helmet isn't so bad... [20:29]
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mircea_popescu maybe she could have mmorpg style armor : something to protect her pubic bone and something on her shoulders. [20:29]
mircea_popescu because we all know that's where armor is really needed. [20:30]
moiety jurov, nah im not getting clothes so its cool [20:30]
moiety actually, pubic bones... yeah what mircea_popescu said [20:30]
jurov avoided [20:30]
mircea_popescu moiety armor where the hair grows. it's how the greeks did it... [20:31]
moiety asciilifeform: jeez... these wee buggers have stripey legs....are you trying to make me have no free time at all?! [20:31]
mircea_popescu [20:31]
mircea_popescu that looks uncomfortable enough... [20:32]
moiety looks chilly to me [20:32]
moiety i do live in scotland [20:32]
moiety but.. manuls are soooo fluffy... compensation?! [20:32]
mircea_popescu [20:32]
mircea_popescu somewhat derpier. [20:32]
mircea_popescu ok, ok, this one you'll prolly like : [20:33]
mircea_popescu << and this could be your accountant/pass through operator / travel arrangements arranger. [20:35]
asciilifeform 'If the world’s most beautiful women want to be gold-diggers, that’s their right. It doesn’t “humiliate” me. It merely establishes what I would have to obtain (namely, wealth and fame) if I wanted to bang some of those women. The actual women, that is. Technology may provide an easier alternative. And a more intellectually satisfying alternative too.' [20:35]
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asciilifeform 'It’s interesting to consider which gender’s ideal can be realized first with technology. It should be a lot easier for technology to simulate Howard Stern’s girlfriend (for the satisfaction of men) than for technology to simulate Howard Stern (for the satisfaction of women). With Howard Stern, the salient feature is the success, and the relative status. If every man had a $500 million satellite radio co [20:36]
asciilifeform ntract, they would all be merely average again in the eyes of women. (Consider that the average US working stiff is fantastically wealthy in Medieval terms, but modern US women have simply raised their materialistic requirements commensurately.) [20:36]
asciilifeform With Howard Stern’s girlfriend, the salient features are absolute: her looks and her receptive behavior. If every woman looked similarly good, and behaved as adoringly toward the average working stiff, they would still look good. (A man can test this hypothesis by viewing photographs of thousands of attractive women. Even after massive, pervasive exposure, they still look good. In fact, pornography can be un [20:36]
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asciilifeform derstood as an attempt by men to democratize the experience of enjoying beautiful women. So far, technology hasn’t been up to the task—actual beautiful women are still better—but technology will keep improving.)' [20:36]
mircea_popescu sigh. they're not gold diggers ffs. [20:36]
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asciilifeform (last turd. anyone who wants more can visit the site) [20:36]
mircea_popescu [20:36]
ozbot Sa facem o regula pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [20:36]
mircea_popescu sadly, in romanian. but apparently same problems exist in english too [20:37]
mircea_popescu " With Howard Stern, the salient feature is the success, and the relative status." god help us. that's the salient feature ? [20:37]
asciilifeform incidentally, this fellow, afaik, was not a psychiatric case himself, but for some reason enjoyed trolling usenet groups full of such [20:37]
asciilifeform '' whatever [20:38]
mircea_popescu good troll then. [20:38]
asciilifeform one of the best that ever lived, imho [20:38]
mircea_popescu and no, the avg working stiff is by no means richer than the average medieval iobag [20:38]
mircea_popescu not by a long shot. [20:38]
moiety i'd totally wear these and [20:38]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform name ? [20:38]
mircea_popescu moiety you ever been in a corset ? [20:38]
asciilifeform dan mocsny [20:38]
mircea_popescu not a corselet/bodice/otherbs. [20:39]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform sounds hungarian. [20:39]
asciilifeform afaik he's still alive, somewhere in ohio (u.s.) but only posts to groups re: competitive bicycling [20:39]
asciilifeform as to when is the next race, etc. [20:39]
moiety not a proper, someone else laces you in at the back one. mine had bones but laced up both sides instead [20:39]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform so invite him over! [20:39]
mircea_popescu moiety yeah. they're not that comfortable to wear, esp for teh noob/peasant girl that wasn't raised with them. [20:40]
mircea_popescu that metal thing is that much less forgiving [20:40]
moiety looks cool tho [20:40]
mircea_popescu sure. pain usually looks cool on women. [20:41]
mircea_popescu honest signal. [20:41]
asciilifeform [20:41]
asciilifeform (apologies for the line noise) [20:41]
mircea_popescu [20:42]
mircea_popescu what better way to spend a summer [20:42]
mircea_popescu than cooking your boobs [20:42]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform hmm, i should be on [20:42]
Mats_cd03 meow [20:42]
asciilifeform and if you need to cook something else, take the parabolic reflectors off and prop in the sun. [20:42]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: idk if that snakepit still exists [20:43]
asciilifeform this crap is very ancient history [20:43]
asciilifeform then again, a usenet group can never really die [20:43]
asciilifeform like a soviet satellite in 'graveyard orbit' [20:43]
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asciilifeform much of usenet is, unfortunately, parked in graveyard orbit. [20:44]
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mircea_popescu pretty much yeah afaik [20:44]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 646 @ 0.00631207 = 4.0776 BTC [+] {10} [20:45]
moiety than cooking your boobs << lmfao [20:46]
asciilifeform herr mocsny was once called an 'intellectual father' of the 'pua' folks. [20:46]
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moiety whatever happened to people liking other people for who they were? have i been under a rock too long? [20:47]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 600 @ 0.00649968 = 3.8998 BTC [+] {2} [20:47]
mircea_popescu moiety show me people who ARE something and i'll consider it. [20:48]
blackwhite so complicated [20:48]
benkay morning [20:49]
bitcoinpete morning [20:50]
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blackwhite morning ben [20:50]
benkay met more crazy people [20:50]
benkay why ams bitcoinfolk so insane? [20:50]
moiety it depends what makes a person someone for you though. there arent enuogh people with personality now [20:50]
blackwhite because it attracts the best and the worst kind of people [20:50]
mircea_popescu ^ [20:50]
blackwhite all the scammers with the ideologists [20:50]
mircea_popescu the best kinds of people often actually being the worst kinds of people. [20:50]
mircea_popescu [20:51]
moiety glad to see you made it through the night benkay, did a neighbour pop by to feed you? [20:51]
benkay "entrepreneurs" [20:51]
mircea_popescu epic fucking boots already. [20:51]
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moiety I want the sword :( [20:51]
moiety for my collection [20:51]
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asciilifeform that sword probably weighs more than the girl. [20:52]
mircea_popescu yeah it's a decent bastard isn't it [20:52]
moiety ikr [20:52]
moiety bet my hattori is sharper tho :P [20:52]
asciilifeform archaelogists love to point out how lightweight most actual, historical armaments were. [20:52]
asciilifeform compared with theatrical junk [20:52]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform well, actual weapons exist to not be seen, but used. thatrical stuff the converse. [20:53]
blackwhite i just like the girl fuck all the other stuff [20:53]
asciilifeform correct [20:53]
mircea_popescu blackwhite you're not perverse enough to be here then! [20:53]
asciilifeform ;;google an officer without a sword is improperly dressed [20:54]
gribble Jack Churchill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Badass of the Week: Jack Churchill: ; Any Officer Who Goes Into Action Without His Sword is Improperly ...: [20:54]
benkay the girl is boring [20:54]
mircea_popescu << now we know where benkay cooked his breakfast dinner. [20:54]
benkay everything is boring [20:54]
benkay i am hungover [20:54]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.0009467 = 11.9284 BTC [+] {2} [20:54]
benkay wat [20:54]
bitcoinpete and it's portland so there's no sun [20:55]
benkay no there you're wrong [20:56]
mircea_popescu ok, better girl, smaller sword. [20:56]
benkay for these current ten minutes there is sun [20:56]
mircea_popescu is that some wakizashi ? [20:56]
benkay we have a crazy microclimate that's always flipping and flopping through various precipitation states [20:56]
benkay local chaos zone [20:56]
benkay mmm. reds. [20:56]
benkay so hey are we distinguishing between incompetence and malice in Bitcoin these days, mircea_popescu ? [20:57]
benkay i was under the impression everything just got lumped under 'scam' [20:58]
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asciilifeform incompetence + persistence ~= malice. [20:58]
mircea_popescu ha! good eq. [20:58]
mircea_popescu "sufficiently persistent incompetence is indistinguishable from malice." [20:58]
moiety i'd say this [20:59]
benkay is that you and your daikatana, moiety ? [20:59]
asciilifeform !b 4 [20:59]
assbot Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( [20:59]
mircea_popescu benkay no, it's her and her loubotin sandals. the sword's a prop. [21:00]
moiety lolnope i have a hattori hunting as my pride and joy, i'd love one though.. plus i am the same colour as paper [21:00]
mircea_popescu [21:00]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06894998 = 0.6895 BTC [+] {2} [21:03]
moiety i'd take the dog too [21:04]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23448 @ 0.00094684 = 22.2015 BTC [+] {3} [21:05]
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mircea_popescu andyfletcher btw, get in the wot will you. [21:14]
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tg2 You guys blade heads? [21:18]
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andyfletcher mircea_popescu, am on wot just wasn't authenticated [21:22]
tg2 ;;ident andyfletcher [21:23]
gribble Nick 'andyfletcher', with hostmask 'andyfletcher!~andy@unaffiliated/uksv29', is identified as user 'andyfletcher', with GPG key id 502409E67767E3C6, key fingerprint 7104459391233F576A31B5CD502409E67767E3C6, and bitcoin address 17fZJ7UNTTxA2hrPLFvuNHbBnqpXJ31GB6 [21:23]
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mircea_popescu o hey :) [21:24]
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mircea_popescu nice new pic bitcoinpete [21:35]
bitcoinpete mircea_popescu the alt-twitter one? [21:36]
mircea_popescu ya [21:37]
bitcoinpete ty. it's actually slightly older [21:37]
bitcoinpete i just thought your car-minded piece was better directed at my car-minded followers [21:38]
bitcoinpete reading lots of ballas today [21:38]
bitcoinpete [21:39]
bitcoinpete latin too [21:39]
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jurov mircea_popescu: withdrawals pls [21:47]
mircea_popescu jurov on it. [21:59]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform here's a thought : how about rng based on measuring instantaneous polarisation of Nd:YAG laser ? [21:59]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: feasible - expensive [22:00]
mircea_popescu the garnets aren't really that expensive anymore are they ? [22:00]
asciilifeform and possibly subject to thermal effects [22:00]
mircea_popescu yes but immune to any em effects [22:01]
mircea_popescu such that geiger is not [22:01]
asciilifeform cheaper to have a johnson rng in a shield [22:01]
mircea_popescu are the aluminium garnets really that expensive still ?! [22:01]
asciilifeform regardless of what type of rng, analogue portion of circuit must be shielded [22:02]
mircea_popescu this is true. [22:02]
bitcoinpete ;;ident bitcoinpete [22:04]
gribble Nick 'bitcoinpete', with hostmask 'bitcoinpete!', is identified as user 'bitcoinpete', with GPG key id 165749929F9A6BDD, key fingerprint E6625CC14638C4CA404694E9165749929F9A6BDD, and bitcoin address None [22:04]
asciilifeform lasers also age very dramatically (less the case for semiconductor laser, but remains) [22:04]
asciilifeform of course, anything ages. geiger tube is good for a few yrs. [22:05]
bitcoinpete ;;rate benkay 1 helped teach me that variety speak [22:05]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user benkay has been recorded. [22:05]
mircea_popescu yeah afaik ss lasers don't age that fast. [22:06]
asciilifeform a sane rng is always shielded, not only to keep out noise (natural or otherwise) but to avoid broadcasting state. [22:08]
bitcoinpete ;;rate artifexd 1 generously lent btc [22:09]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user artifexd has been recorded. [22:09]
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asciilifeform [22:24]
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kakobrekla down ? [22:38]
bounce re hud and laser rangefinders, IIRC jaguar went on discovery ages ago with something built into the windshield, and ir lamps+imagers. and bmw also did somethingorother along those lines. [22:38]
kakobrekla eh [22:39]
kakobrekla [22:39]
kakobrekla i always think of that looper movie. [22:39]
mircea_popescu bounce how come nothing much came of it ? [22:40]
mircea_popescu (ipads aren't particularly innovative eithger, in that strict sense) [22:40]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.006499 = 0.6824 BTC [-] [22:41]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla seems to be up ? [22:41]
kakobrekla im getting an error page [22:42]
bounce don't have details, but could well be a proof of concept thingy, like those concept cars that never go beyond the single prototype made. [22:43]
mircea_popescu yah maybe [22:46]
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moiety i get an error page too kakobrekla [22:57]
kakobrekla yeah but for MP it will work even if his net is shut off [22:57]
kakobrekla we should use him as a proxy [22:59]
moiety lololol [22:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11949 @ 0.00094524 = 11.2947 BTC [-] {2} [22:59]
moiety the nfs site is down too [23:00]
mircea_popescu lol [23:03]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform nao it fails for me too [23:03]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 36 @ 0.0064991 = 0.234 BTC [-] {2} [23:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00094699 = 7.7653 BTC [+] [23:09]
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moiety i get a security warning now [23:12]
moiety they must be mid-fix because the nfs logo works now [23:14]
Dimsler_ maybe someone is trying to steal your buttcoins? [23:14]
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moiety i see havelock's homepage is only updated with the 'good' news and the most up-to-date is buried [23:21]
mircea_popescu that's how you do pr, according to people who have no qualification, training or experience in the field. [23:22]
mircea_popescu [23:22]
ozbot BitBet Stole ~$7,000 from me (10 BTC) [23:22]
mircea_popescu which one of you oops i mean which one of me is that ? [23:22]
kakobrekla dafuk dat thing is still going [23:22]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla dat thing is endless. mtgox will be long forgotten [23:23]
mircea_popescu "I am not publicly broadcasting my business plan due to its unique nature meant to take advantage of the market." [23:24]
* lnovy giggles [23:24]
mircea_popescu [23:26]
ozbot Dank Bank Deposits - dank's soul is claimed - New music Nov 30th [23:26]
mircea_popescu pretty epic blast from the past [23:26]
mircea_popescu "Hello, everyone, my name is Dank and I'm here to prove my worthiness as an investment. " [23:26]
mircea_popescu "By the end of this year, 2012, I believe I will be a highly known guitarist/musician." [23:26]
mircea_popescu "This time frame may seem unrealistically short, for I have only started playing electric guitar towards the end of August, but recent realizations have led me to believe this is possible." [23:26]
mircea_popescu "Humans have been evolving exponentially for some time now, with advances in technology and communication lessening the time needed for the same amount of change to occur. Logically, following this pattern, there will come a time when more change happens in an hour than has happened in the last millennium. Through meditation, connecting to a higher consciousness within, and communicating these ideas, I've had the epi [23:27]
mircea_popescu phany that 2012 is a real event." [23:27]
mircea_popescu and i have to stop there. [23:27]
kakobrekla nice logo [23:27]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla did you notice it has a shadow ? [23:27]
kakobrekla yep [23:27]
kakobrekla its better than cognitive, even if it has less colors [23:28]
mircea_popescu but did you know that dropshadows lift the type off the page as if they are 3d? [23:28]
asciilifeform '55 minutes ago: After an unplanned maintenance reboot, one of our fileservers did not come back [23:28]
asciilifeform online. We have people investigating, and in parallel we are rolling a new [23:28]
asciilifeform server with a backup from about an hour before the reboot.' [23:28]
asciilifeform (from me hoster) [23:28]
kakobrekla O_o [23:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 318 @ 0.006499 = 2.0667 BTC [-] [23:29]
kakobrekla lesson no1. never ever reboot the server. [23:29]
mircea_popescu servers that are rebooted are not really the same servers anymore. [23:30]
mircea_popescu anyway, let the log reflect the new coinage "unplanned maintenance reboot". [23:30]
mircea_popescu "shit joe, reboot it see if it works then" [23:30]
mircea_popescu the power cycle that's intentional but unexpected. [23:31]
asciilifeform this happens every few years at nfs corp. but i really love that hoster [23:31]
lnovy you can fix everything with reboot... from stucked mouse to mysql table corruption... [23:31]
asciilifeform i don't think it gets any cheaper for low-traffic crap [23:31]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform im sure it's perfectly fine for hosting a blog etc. [23:31]
mircea_popescu but still very amusing. [23:31]
asciilifeform that's more or less what people use it for. [23:31]
asciilifeform it isn't a rack company - all vm, afaik [23:32]
asciilifeform of course, i post so rarely that perhaps 90% of it is not only in 'google cache' but '' [23:32]
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mircea_popescu [23:33]
ozbot The ducks in the bathroom are not mine. [23:33]
mircea_popescu nubbins` ^ [23:33]
mircea_popescu tenants from hell. [23:33]
asciilifeform [23:34]
ozbot I am able to move small objects with my mind. [23:34]
mircea_popescu like... penises. [23:35]
mircea_popescu "I have read your website and it is obviously that your a foggot." [23:36]
lnovy i god, i'm laughting like hell... [23:37]
mircea_popescu hey, did i ever tell you folks about the one time i got kicked out of a gay club ? [23:38]
mircea_popescu which is also the only time i ever got kicked out of anywhere, club or anything else. [23:38]
mircea_popescu i didn't torch the place in revenge, either. [23:38]
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jurov what did you do there? [23:39]
mircea_popescu what one normally does in a club. drank and yelled at people. [23:40]
mircea_popescu what do you want me to do, dance ?! [23:40]
jurov lol i was not asking that in accusatory manner [23:40]
tg2 [23:41]
tg2 sneaky knc [23:41]
tg2 can't say I blame them tho [23:41]
tg2 I got thrown out of a club once with a $8000 tab [23:42]
tg2 I just went home [23:42]
tg2 lol [23:42]
tg2 chepest night in a club so far [23:42]
tg2 the promoter called me back for 2 weeks after crying and begging me to come back [23:42]
mircea_popescu they're too noobish around here to actualy have promoters. [23:43]
tg2 montreal has a huge club scene [23:43]
tg2 probably more clubs per capita than anywhere I know [23:43]
mircea_popescu timisoara is roughly speaking a smaller akron, ohio. [23:43]
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tg2 sounds.... exciting [23:43]
tg2 lol [23:43]
mircea_popescu well let's put it this way... in an actual town ever working class cunts can have fun. [23:44]
mircea_popescu it takes a real hellhole to really select the funhavers. [23:45]
tg2 [23:45]
tg2 your women look very slavic [23:45]
tg2 is romania even considered slavic? [23:45]
tg2 I know that ukrain, serbia bulgaria are [23:46]
mircea_popescu nah. [23:46]
asciilifeform Ro has, what, 5+ ethnic groups ? [23:46]
tg2 (oops, i mean... southeastern russia, lol) [23:46]
tg2 but, all sides of it are slavic... [23:46]
mircea_popescu it's ~85% romanian, some hungarian, trace other dozen or so elements [23:46]
mircea_popescu i have no idea how you figure those women look "Slavic" [23:47]
tg2 only by hungary is it not slavic [23:47]
tg2 cheek structure [23:47]
asciilifeform the gypsies (any left in Ro?) aren't the least bit slavic [23:47]
tg2 high pointy cheeks [23:47]
tg2 lol gypsies [23:47]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform some, yeah. a mil or so. [23:47]
mircea_popescu for one thing, "slavic" would be blonde. [23:48]
mircea_popescu anyway, i'll bbl we can continue teh racism then. [23:48]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3605 @ 0.00094701 = 3.414 BTC [+] {2} [23:57]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: servers that are rebooted are not really the same servers anymore << i bet i'm not the only one who wonders why kernel-in-ROM never caught on [23:58]
asciilifeform (naturally, rom with physical switch for write-enable) [23:59]
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