Forum logs for 28 Sep 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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mircea_popescu dude reading this moriarty fellow interact with xmj is like watching a drunk clown trying to ride a cow with k-j, except the clown is really a cow in clown costume and the cow really a clown in cow costume and again adn again. [00:01]
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bounce the card racket's profits do mean it's not going to be replaced. also the convenient fobbing off of risks to everyone else. (chargebacks to the merchants, privacy problems to the "consumer") [00:02]
mircea_popescu but hey, props for trolling bounce into a frenzy, i never saw him talk this much b4 [00:02]
mircea_popescu bounce well, they won't go anywhere for as long as the system that spawned them lasts. [00:03]
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mircea_popescu this is for sure. they're a part of it, like the hair styles of the late empire are part of the late empire. [00:03]
mircea_popescu but that doesn't make them anything other than styles. [00:03]
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mircea_popescu anyway. [00:07]
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mircea_popescu ;;rate xmj -1 Derp just won't shut up. [00:08]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user xmj has been recorded. [00:08]
xmj ohh, lovely [00:10]
Usage: IGNORE [00:10]
xmj!*@* added to ignore list. [00:10]
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bounce hmno, I don't think rigging the system is a good long-term strategy. it shouldn't be necessary, and if you think it is, you're venturing into empire territory. [00:12]
mircea_popescu rigging the system is pretty much the only strategy. give an example of something else at work. [00:13]
mircea_popescu airlift is achieved through "rigging the system" of dynamic equilibrium [00:13]
mircea_popescu the carnot cycle is rigging the system of thermodynamics [00:13]
bounce uhm. I think you misread the context of the comment then. [00:14]
mircea_popescu possibly. what'd i miss ? [00:14]
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bounce at the end of the complaint would be something much akin to your "bring back pecunia non olet" argument [00:16]
mircea_popescu but that can't work in the current system. [00:17]
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mircea_popescu and if the system is uprooted, you really think something like its coiffure fashions a la mastercard would somehow survive ? how. [00:17]
bounce oh I don't mind them going the way of the dodo. the thing was rather moriarty was rationalising their existence as "best possible (evar)", which I disagreed with [00:18]
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mircea_popescu well sure. lots that guy stil needs to read. [00:19]
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asciilifeform ;;rate xmj -1 habitually pulls down #bitcoin-assets SNR. [00:21]
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mircea_popescu !down xmj [00:22]
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mircea_popescu hallelujah. [00:22]
pete_dushenski http://www.sbjf.org/sbjco/schmaltz/yiddish_phrases.htm [00:22]
assbot Yiddish Phrases [00:23]
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ben_vulpes ;;gettrust assbot ben_vulpes [00:25]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask ben_vulpes!~user@unaffiliated/benkay. Trust relationship from user assbot to user ben_vulpes: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 12 via 12 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=ben_vulpes | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ben_vulpes | Rated since: Sun Mar 10 13:57:45 2013 [00:25]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/lenat-leaks/ if you still want a backup [00:28]
assbot Index of /wp-content/uploads/2014/09/lenat-leaks [00:28]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: neato. now one of these days i actually write the turdifesto to go with these. [00:29]
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asciilifeform as for herr lenat himself - looks like he's finally settled into island fortress, or the like: http://www.informatik.uni-trier.de/~ley/pers/hd/l/Lenat:Douglas_B= [00:30]
assbot dblp: Douglas B. Lenat [00:30]
pete_dushenski looks like asciilifeform [00:30]
pete_dushenski oops [00:30]
asciilifeform though this '08 piece is somewhat interesting - http://www.aaai.org/ojs/index.php/aimagazine/article/view/2106 [00:30]
assbot The Voice of the Turtle: Whatever Happened to AI? | Lenat | AI Magazine [00:30]
pete_dushenski looks like asciilifeform's вредителями has a yiddish equivalent: nudnik [00:31]
pete_dushenski for those who prefer latin characters [00:31]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: nah, that's just 'annoying bugger' [00:31]
mircea_popescu nudnik is pest not wrecker [00:31]
asciilifeform (russian loan word) [00:31]
asciilifeform who wants yiddish, here: http://www.yadvashem.org/yv/en/exhibitions/music/vilna_partisans_zog_nit_keyn_mol.asp [00:32]
assbot Heartstrings. Music of the Holocaust [00:32]
mircea_popescu o nm, wrong russian :) [00:32]
mircea_popescu вредительство, вредителями, what the hell's the difference. [00:32]
pete_dushenski perhaps shtunk [00:32]
asciilifeform ^ 'wreckery', 'by way of the wreckers' [00:33]
asciilifeform ^ declansions [00:33]
asciilifeform *declensions [00:33]
mircea_popescu :D [00:33]
mircea_popescu point remains. pest (annoyance) != pest (plague bearer) [00:33]
asciilifeform 'wrecker' isn't even an exact translation. originally, 'pest', really, as in agricultural - or the rats and mice in kitchen [00:34]
mircea_popescu right] [00:34]
mircea_popescu the small thing that brings doom [00:34]
asciilifeform english somehow wrapped many words into single box, in many cases. orwell even laments this in one essay [00:34]
asciilifeform 'bug' for all insects, 'bird' in general usage for all birds [00:34]
asciilifeform this was less of a thing in 19th c. and prior educated english text, and he noticed the changeover [00:34]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform if you gonna pretend like the peasants are people, you're stuck pretending language as they speak it is language, and that fifty words should be enough for everyone [00:34]
mircea_popescu and other things [00:35]
asciilifeform hence then 'pest' for both flea and plague rat. [00:35]
asciilifeform ^ [00:35]
asciilifeform this, yes. [00:35]
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pete_dushenski https://twitter.com/pete_dushenski/status/515980358928846848 [00:47]
bounce bit of a difference between "rigging something up" (building something, say making good use of known principles such as laws of nature) and "rigging the system" (which recurses, say, playing the SEC) [00:47]
assbot ./jordanr1000 helped set up a fake computer to entice hackers. This is who showed up: http://t.co/RZLaXg52T9 http://t.co/dxkZd6ikMU [00:48]
pete_dushenski https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/515963941592518656 << for bathhouse julia. [00:49]
assbot The namedropper tries to have prominent friends; the righteous will have prominent enemies. [00:49]
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pete_dushenski https://www.facebook.com/13012333374/photos/a.10150109720973375.279515.13012333374/10152488919783375/?type=1 << taleb on information theory's centrality. [00:51]
pete_dushenski the different between information theory and epistemology? some mathematical rigour here and there. [00:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18076 @ 0.00075112 = 13.5772 BTC [+] {3} [00:55]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2587 @ 0.00056039 = 1.4497 BTC [-] {21} [00:55]
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bounce that doesn't feel quite right [00:56]
assbot Yiddish Phrases [00:56]
pete_dushenski jurov: no trolmo [00:57]
pete_dushenski yiddish is a cross between hebrew and german [00:57]
pete_dushenski sounds like hebrew but with german alphabet [00:57]
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bounce http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/09/27/man_too_busy_looking_at_ipad_sparks_security_alert/ [01:12]
assbot iPAD-FONDLING fanboi sparks SECURITY ALERT at Sydney airport The Register [01:12]
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bounce guy wasn't looking where he walked and so walked right by the security checkpoints. obvious answer? evacuate the whole airport. [01:13]
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mircea_popescu jurov no it's reallyclose to german [01:26]
mircea_popescu bounce they were just looking for an excuse to derp on their own ipad [01:27]
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mats_cd03 i find myself wishing there was an assbot in every chan i idle in [01:35]
mircea_popescu mats_cd03 ikr? [01:36]
mircea_popescu same thing here. [01:36]
guruvan lol mats_cd03 assbot is one of my favorite bots [01:36]
mats_cd03 i have felt the compulsion to reproduce its features on occasion [01:36]
mats_cd03 http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-navajo-nation-settlement-20140924-story.html lol [01:39]
assbot U.S. settlement with Navajo Nation is largest ever for a tribe - LA Times [01:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12650 @ 0.00074977 = 9.4846 BTC [-] [01:39]
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guruvan more settlements like that likely on the way too [01:46]
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thestringpuller where is my 40 acres and a god damned mule [02:03]
mats_cd03 free 0day: msctf!CTsfTextStoreManager. [02:04]
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mats_cd03 not mine, but i'm told its unreliable. [02:10]
mats_cd03 www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xmk4a76CXTw [02:11]
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kakobrekla !mpif [02:32]
assbot BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021861 B (Total: 478.05 B). Delta: -2.17 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00020614 BTC [-] [02:32]
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kakobrekla jesus. [02:50]
kakobrekla changed the engine only to figure out brake was on. [02:52]
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penguirker New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/09/27/where-are-those-baseball-bitbets-now-oh-some-are-still-open/ [02:58]
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BingoBoingo http://hotpenguin.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/repurpose-reuse-old-stuff-27-600x454.jpg [03:08]
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assbot ADutchGamer +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0 [03:14]
bounce !up ADutchGamer [03:15]
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bounce !up ADutchGamer [03:15]
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ADutchGamer thanks [03:15]
ADutchGamer is anyone working on the log and bash yet? [03:15]
ADutchGamer I'm trying to catch up but all they show is flush dns [03:16]
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ADutchGamer as in: just htis text: 'flush dns' [03:16]
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* bounce reloaded named and it still shows up with the same thing. possibly a SOA problem. oh well. [03:21]
bounce can stick 178.62.225.203 in hosts for a temporary solution [03:21]
kakobrekla not all dns records were updated yet but i put that on anyway so it looks like its not my fault [03:23]
BingoBoingo !b 1 [03:23]
assbot Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/34QF9NN.txt ) [03:23]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00075165 = 4.2844 BTC [03:27]
ADutchGamer So it's just a matter of waiting a few hours and then it will work? [03:28]
kakobrekla or edit hosts file [03:29]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22100 @ 0.00075113 = 16.6 BTC [-] {2} [03:34]
ADutchGamer it works now, thanks :) [03:35]
kakobrekla yw! [03:35]
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bounce until the next record change [03:40]
kakobrekla :) [03:41]
bounce tablet-optimised layouts, how I loathe thee [03:41]
kakobrekla doesnt change that often - this is the first time. [03:41]
bounce may want to drop ttl a bit beforehand [03:42]
mircea_popescu changed the engine only to figure out brake was on. << loller [03:43]
kakobrekla or proxy it or whatever else but its not like you guys cant take a couple of hrs off [03:44]
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bounce clearly not [03:47]
BingoBoingo Basically Mpex's week+ summer vacation is the equivalent of assbot being down a few hours. [03:49]
BingoBoingo Well not assbot, but the logs, bash and other bot ass output [03:49]
thestringpuller !ticker m s.mpoe [03:49]
assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00074715 / 0.00075076 / 0.0007539 (480877 shares, 361.03 BTC), 7D: 0.00074485 / 0.00075039 / 0.00075684 (4158000 shares, 3,120.16 BTC), 30D: 0.00059659 / 0.00076292 / 0.00086605 (15660113 shares, 11,947.42 BTC) [03:49]
thestringpuller assbot you my only friend [03:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00074941 = 11.9906 BTC [-] {2} [03:53]
BingoBoingo ;;rated assbot [03:53]
gribble You rated user assbot on Fri Apr 11 14:42:06 2014, with a rating of 10, and supplied these additional notes: !up Periscope. [03:53]
BingoBoingo ;;rate assbot 10 friend [03:53]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating for user assbot has changed from 10 to 10. [03:53]
BingoBoingo This is a way to handle a troublesome District Attourney http://www.alternet.org/outrage-mans-health-insurance-holding-his-liver-transplant-hostage [03:56]
assbot Outrage: Man's Health Insurance Is Holding His Liver Transplant Hostage | Alternet [03:56]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00074843 = 14.2202 BTC [-] [03:58]
BingoBoingo Sent out to sea on the same sort of red tape they put in front of decent people who simply disagree with them on matters of justice [03:58]
mats_cd03 i'll be your friend. :) [04:04]
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bounce then this is the end [04:08]
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mats_cd03 there's no end where we're going. [04:09]
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asciilifeform from navajo link: http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-pennsylvania-eric-frein-update-20140924-story.html [04:30]
assbot Trooper-ambush suspect spotted several times in manhunt, police say - LA Times [04:30]
asciilifeform this is the n-th desperado, of only the public ones, in kn years, for some pos. int. k. [04:31]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: This shutting down an entire Geographic area is what they practiced in Boston, yes? [04:31]
asciilifeform SOP by now. [04:31]
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mats_cd03 i wonder if hes enjoying himself [04:36]
asciilifeform probably. [04:36]
asciilifeform although the arse grenade (if he has any brains, has one) probably chafes. [04:36]
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TheNewDeal pardon my ignorance, but logs are in reboot stage? [04:38]
BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: DNS is repropagating [04:39]
BingoBoingo kako put on his surgeon's gown today [04:39]
asciilifeform 'Frein may see the manhunt as a game, police said, and likely has supplies and a bunker hidden in the woods. Police have found soiled diapers, Serbian cigarettes and other clues that he remains in the area, but are proceeding with caution in part because they believe he may have explosives.' [04:42]
asciilifeform mega-lulzies [04:42]
asciilifeform 'Authorities said Friday that the hard drive of a computer used by Frein provides evidence he had been planning an attack for years. They said Frein's Internet searches included sites on how to avoid police manhunts.' [04:44]
asciilifeform menu: herr frein is 1) an imbecile 2) elementarily framed 3) fictional persona [04:45]
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bounce http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Matthew_Frein nice list of toys they're throwing after him [04:46]
assbot Eric Matthew Frein - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [04:46]
asciilifeform after someone. [04:49]
asciilifeform http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten [04:50]
assbot FBI — Ten Most Wanted [04:50]
asciilifeform ^ third place. nice. [04:50]
BingoBoingo "Authorities speculate that Frein, driving with his lights off on Pennsylvania Route 402, failed to see a T-junction and drove into the swamp, then may have traveled 15 to 20 miles on foot to Canadensis, Pennsylvania, where his parents live." << Lesson here [04:51]
asciilifeform lesson << ditch a car, confuse idiot bureaucrats ? [04:53]
BingoBoingo Lights might make a car visible, but crashing it because you kept them off, suspect! [04:54]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: care to hazard a guess re: the diapers? [04:55]
asciilifeform u.s. army snipers have been known to wear them, now that i recall. [04:55]
bounce didn't that stalking astronaut get caught with diapers due to long drive? [04:55]
BingoBoingo the diapers are probably a cargo cult thing, because the pros do it that way [04:56]
TheNewDeal So on bitbet, I know if you send a tx to an address for an open bet, the address is reserved for you for the entirety of the bet. But is the addr supposed to hold the btc until the bet closes, or no? [04:56]
asciilifeform that's the intended implication, at any rate. [04:56]
BingoBoingo But if you are driving a car around the backwoods under the cover of night, use the fucking headlights [04:57]
asciilifeform 'The Monroe County District Attorney's Office filed 15 search warrants since the hunt for Frein began about two weeks ago to search various buildings, but Bivens declined to comment on the warrants.' [04:57]
asciilifeform aha now some meat. [04:57]
asciilifeform 'The Monroe County District Attorney's Office filed 15 search warrants since the hunt for Frein began about two weeks ago to search various buildings, but Bivens declined to comment on the warrants. He acknowledged the substantial, and growing, cost to state and federal agencies.' [04:58]
asciilifeform anyone here ever read eric frank russell's 'wasp' ? [04:58]
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asciilifeform damn broken paste [04:59]
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asciilifeform 'Bivens estimated that the force hunting Frein has included the "high hundreds to 1,000" members of law enforcement agencies.' [04:59]
BingoBoingo For all we know Frein is just a Richard Jewell who has simply retreated to jack off in the woods for a few weeks and has no idea what is going on. [04:59]
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bounce they're having a field day, then [05:00]
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bounce I suspect an expert would gather a few good trackers and catch the guy in a week with ~30 people or so. [05:02]
decimation asciilifeform: so I tried to install gentoo in a vm last night, was disappointed that it wanted me to install systemd. apparently one should install 'minimal' and then bootstrap software stack [05:02]
asciilifeform http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/26/diaper-sniper-eric-frein_n_5887694.html [05:02]
assbot Eric Frein Manhunt: 'Diaper Sniper' Reportedly Phoned Parents (LIVE UPDATES) [05:02]
asciilifeform ^ svd! [05:02]
asciilifeform decimation: the fortress falls! [05:02]
asciilifeform decimation: although - wiki indicates is optional. did you ask for 'gnome' and forgot? [05:03]
decimation no I installed 'kde' profile [05:04]
decimation in retrospect I should have installed hardened/minimal [05:04]
asciilifeform quite a few things have been trying to suck it in under the cover of 'dependencies' [05:04]
decimation if the guy is such a brilliant woodsman why is he leaving trash for others to find? [05:04]
TheNewDeal ;;bc,stats [05:05]
asciilifeform decimation: because he's fictional. [05:05]
BingoBoingo I might have to read 'Wasp' [05:05]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: wasp << highly recommended. [05:05]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: especially for you. [05:05]
decimation asciilifeform: yeah that appears to be the situation. I don't understand how a gui desktop 'requires' a particular init system [05:05]
asciilifeform decimation: because... and this reminds me: [05:05]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu, others who know who flondor was [05:05]
BingoBoingo decimation: systemd temps the desktop systems with login handling [05:06]
asciilifeform perhaps it is time for a lustration list. [05:06]
decimation although according to the boycottsystemd webpage, it sounds like systemd 'wants' to take over much of unix userland [05:06]
asciilifeform kept, possibly, in the deeds register [05:06]
asciilifeform of all the sniveling shilling shits who took part in hearbleed insertion, propagation of 'systemd', the like. [05:06]
asciilifeform these people are walking around, alive, and worst of all - continuing to churn out code. which unwitting chumps will actually use. [05:07]
decimation I nominate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lennart_Poettering [05:07]
assbot Lennart Poettering - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [05:07]
decimation pulseaudio, systemd, avahi, all turds [05:07]
asciilifeform it's time for the 'nazi playing cards' [05:07]
asciilifeform with names, faces. [05:07]
asciilifeform lennart p. isn't even a top candidate for the playing cards, because just about everyone already knows what he is. [05:08]
mircea_popescu although the arse grenade (if he has any brains, has one) probably chafes. << why ? [05:08]
mircea_popescu what's the most they're going to do ? pay 20k a year for his support ? [05:09]
asciilifeform the hidden little shitgnomes like author of heartbleed - they are the ones who needs the lethal sunlight rays the most. [05:09]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: notice i said 'arse grenade' not 'cyanide tooth.' [05:09]
bounce you think heartbleed was intentional? [05:10]
asciilifeform specifically in light of the historic re-enactment role he's supposedly playing. [05:10]
BingoBoingo what's the most they're going to do ? pay 20k a year for his support ? << Incarceration, especially at the federal level is rarely so inexpensive for the jailers [05:10]
asciilifeform bounce: [05:10]
asciilifeform !s miracles [05:10]
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decimation asciilifeform: the next step: somehow get a unix distribution that completely excludes contributions from the lustration list [05:10]
asciilifeform decimation: yes. [05:10]
kakobrekla and then we can start pretending. [05:11]
asciilifeform bounce: i posit that it must be presumed intentional. the shitgnomes hide behind the impossibility of logically proving their guilt. [05:11]
decimation the problem is that nearly all hardware vendors would be on the list too [05:12]
asciilifeform decimation: gotta start somewhere. [05:12]
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bounce we could use better hardware, too [05:13]
asciilifeform decimation: at the moment, proven, proud, unrepentant вредители are 'respected faces of the komyooniti', doing as they please. [05:13]
bounce but an overly large list would be counter-productive; a valid concern. [05:14]
kakobrekla nah. basically everyone should just drop their keyboards and stop coding until there exists a platform where not guilty by default (of using it) [05:14]
kakobrekla dare to continue as is, you will, sooner or later, find yourself on the list. [05:15]
decimation kakobrekla: a worthy dream, but the problem is that if everyone did that, then nobody would make such a platform [05:15]
* bounce didn't catch on to hiding behind lame excuses with the openssl folks, but if so that ought to be enough to get the s/w booted entirely, not just revamped. [05:15]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: if the item i am presently working on is not easily provable honest to an educated reader, then i will deserve to be placed on the list. [05:16]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: and, in fact, should be presumed dead, and the fellow walking around with my key - ought to go on list. [05:16]
bounce tangentially, shouldn't it be feasible to get decent performance out of a suitably open-and-accessible-microcode cpu running on some fpga or other these days? [05:16]
asciilifeform bounce: all the extant fpga have tightly closed architecture [05:17]
decimation yeah there's a spectrum between 'honest mistake' and 'massive fuck-up' [05:17]
asciilifeform bounce: search channel logs re: at least three separate discussions of how this came to be [05:17]
kakobrekla and heres the fourth. [05:17]
bounce you'd at least have access from the gate design on up, already a bit more than COTS CPUs give you [05:17]
decimation bounce: ultimately you are still trusting the fpga maker [05:18]
asciilifeform bounce: nope. most fpga work is carried out in units considerably larger than 'gate', from considerations of efficiency. [05:18]
asciilifeform you get a supply of adders, shifters, multipliers, etc. [05:18]
decimation they have little 'units' of logic glued together, with a little look-up table to determine how each one functions [05:19]
bounce boo. oh well. back to ttl then (magic-1.org) [05:19]
asciilifeform the vendors (there are exactly two worth mentioning, 'xilinx' and 'altera' - the others sell miniscule turdlets, most often with zero linux toolchain support) also play fast & loose with the word 'gate' [05:19]
asciilifeform counting a shifter as 'xxx gates' worth [05:20]
asciilifeform fpga is still interesting [05:21]
asciilifeform partly because, the amount of damage a dishonest vendor can do is actually minimal [05:21]
asciilifeform as far as i can tell [05:22]
asciilifeform let's say you purchase an fpga from satan. [05:22]
bounce printable electronics getting closer, should be an interestin proof-of-concept though I wouldn't expect to even get full mipsen out of it. [05:22]
bounce s/tin/&g/ [05:22]
asciilifeform bounce: 'printable' is a word you can safely place in your spam filter. [05:22]
asciilifeform it's a leper's bell for grantsmanship and chumpatronics of the most tedious sort. [05:23]
asciilifeform none of the 'printing' brouhaha places integrated circuit any closer to manufacture in your kitchen. [05:23]
decimation satan's fpga could have a bugged embedded cpu [05:24]
asciilifeform let's say it does. [05:24]
asciilifeform now what. [05:24]
decimation satan would have to know a great deal about you design [05:24]
asciilifeform yes. [05:24]
decimation satan would give up and bug the toolchain [05:24]
asciilifeform in fact, even if satan lifts the entire netlist of your design, he will have to sweat a great deal to understand which bits to flip. [05:25]
decimation thatnisntrue [05:25]
asciilifeform if satan is merely listening to your i/o, this is a listening device in the ordinary sense, and not really fpga-specific diddling [05:25]
decimation heh s/n/ / [05:25]
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asciilifeform likewise, when people ponder 'chip boobytraps' they are normally thinking of a one-transistor turdlet that creates an 'evil instruction' or whatnot [05:27]
asciilifeform an unexpected cpu in the middle of fpga LUT fabric would stand out even under optical microscope. [05:27]
asciilifeform so the turd has to be subtle [05:27]
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asciilifeform what can one accomplish on fpga, knowing nothing about your opponent's future purpose for it, with a small turd ? [05:27]
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asciilifeform (i don't insist there is no interesting answer to this question, just confess that i don't know one) [05:28]
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decimation yeah point taken. presumably satan will have your netlist anyway, if you want your part to be open to inspection [05:29]
asciilifeform i can take an educated guess, however. [05:29]
asciilifeform it is virtually impossible now to buy a pure fpga. [05:29]
asciilifeform almost always there are 'convenient' things rolled in - like pci-e support [05:29]
asciilifeform or sdram controllers [05:29]
decimation or serdes or cpu [05:29]
asciilifeform or. [05:29]
asciilifeform it would be fairly simple to include a pattern match for 'magic bus cycle' or 'magic instruction' on built-in-cpu that will, e.g., short supply to ground. [05:30]
asciilifeform release magic smoke [05:30]
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asciilifeform to make long story short, there are exactly two vendors of 'high-density' fpga, and their products are almost exactly alike - more so even than 'coca cola' and 'pepsi.' [05:30]
asciilifeform both, afaik, market primarily to usg and subsidiaries [05:31]
asciilifeform 'xilinx' in particular brags of 'nsa certified' whatevers. [05:31]
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decimation http://press.xilinx.com/2011-08-31-NSA-Approved-Defense-Grade-Spartan-6Q-FPGA-in-Production-for-Highest-Level-Cryptographic-Capabilities-Strengthens-Xilinx-Secure-Leadership [05:31]
assbot NSA Approved Defense-Grade Spartan-6Q FPGA in Production for Highest Level Cryptographic Capabilities Strengthens Xilinx Secure Leadership - Aug 31, 2011 [05:31]
asciilifeform neither is 'open' in any sense whatsoever. [05:31]
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decimation "Key to the NSA's approval is the ability of the Spartan-6Q device to isolate user functionality within a single device while maintaining tamper proofing. The NSA completed a fail-safe analysis effort on the Spartan-6Q family to confirm that the individual regions of the FPGA are isolated from each other in the event of failure. " [05:33]
asciilifeform decimation: understand that this had no bearing on usg-triggered surprises. [05:34]
decimation no, and I think that particular chip isn't available to regular humans [05:35]
asciilifeform decimation: yes, bureaucrats demand some electrical tests to show that 'black' won't short to 'red' by accident. [05:35]
asciilifeform decimation: available. 'ebay' for example. [05:35]
asciilifeform buy as many as you want. [05:36]
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mircea_popescu soiled diapers, Serbian cigarettes <<< dude wtf. [05:36]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: Official Truth holds that he's a ww2 reenactor gone off the spools [05:37]
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decimation wow you can buy cheap fgpa dev boards on ebay [05:37]
asciilifeform decimation: i've never bought them anywhere else. [05:37]
mircea_popescu i don't get it. so you just take a piss. [05:37]
mircea_popescu why would you wear devices to make the piss cling to you ?! [05:38]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: u.s. army issues diapers. ask them - not me [05:38]
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BingoBoingo why would you wear devices to make the piss cling to you ?! << This is why I suspect a bit of cargo cult happening [05:38]
asciilifeform mats_cd03 << did you wear them ? [05:38]
decimation it is amusing that ebay has effectively become 'amazon for shenzhen' [05:38]
mats_cd03 yes [05:39]
mircea_popescu so there's this theatre right outside my windo, where a derpy guy does i dunno what dances. [05:39]
asciilifeform mats_cd03: what's the rationale for diapers ? [05:39]
mircea_popescu there's been teenage girl wailings pretty much non stop for an hour [05:39]
mats_cd03 diapers + baby wipes are god's gift to men in the field [05:39]
mircea_popescu what the fuck, minor celebrity [05:39]
kakobrekla 'amazon for shenzhen' < isnt that aliexpress or smth [05:39]
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mircea_popescu mats_cd03 why would you wear diapers ? [05:39]
mircea_popescu the wipes i ee. [05:39]
decimation I guess I haven't used either of those [05:40]
mats_cd03 my usual undergarments were soiled and crusty after 2 weeks in the field [05:40]
decimation whenever I load an alibaba page it makes me feel certain I'm about to be scammed [05:40]
BingoBoingo 'amazon for shenzhen' < isnt that aliexpress or smth << Basically the Alibabba thing gets its fame as where American small and medium businesses get their entire inventory [05:40]
mats_cd03 worst part was... they were only crusty when they weren't being worn. [05:40]
mircea_popescu I suspect an expert would gather a few good trackers and catch the guy in a week with ~30 people or so. << what trackers. this is 2014. [05:40]
mats_cd03 turns right back into shit after a few hours [05:41]
mats_cd03 its not really necessary. depends on the person [05:41]
mircea_popescu mats_cd03 help me out here. so you wore the same underwear for two weeks, [05:41]
mircea_popescu and if you're going to do that, best make it pampers ? [05:41]
decimation http://meritbadge.org/wiki/index.php/Tracking "The Stalking merit badge was one of the original 57 merit badges issued by the Boy Scouts of America in 1911; it was discontinued in 1952." [05:41]
assbot Tracking (Centennial merit badge) - MeritBadgeDotOrg [05:41]
mats_cd03 they're comfy man, i don't know what to say [05:42]
mircea_popescu decimation and they were never ver ygood at it either. [05:42]
mircea_popescu mats_cd03 aite. [05:42]
decimation probably not, but they aren't even trying anymore [05:42]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: yeah that appears to be the situation. I don't understand how a gui desktop 'requires' a particular init system <<< join the conga line heh. [05:43]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it 'requires' whatever the shitgnomes place in the 'requires' list. [05:43]
asciilifeform that's - how. [05:43]
decimation what I find interesting is that systemd has become standard in redhat enterprise 7 [05:43]
mircea_popescu kept, possibly, in the deeds register << feel free. [05:43]
decimation redhat enterprise is famous for have 5 year old revs of everything ... except new init script hotness? [05:44]
asciilifeform decimation: this is how you find them. [05:44]
mircea_popescu decimation look, the plan to turn open source into windows lite is proceeding apace. [05:44]
asciilifeform decimation: just as a cockroach in your kitchen means, inescapably, that not far from it there is a seething brown mass of his brothers. [05:44]
mircea_popescu avahi, incidentally, was an atrocious piece of shit [05:45]
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mircea_popescu it's incredible anyone seriously takes its author for a coder. [05:45]
asciilifeform another heuristic that invariably tells us where to dig. [05:45]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu> avahi, incidentally, was an atrocious piece of shit << But it copies the also compeltely unwanted Bonjour piece of shit so well [05:45]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: the next step: somehow get a unix distribution that completely excludes contributions from the lustration list << i still think the correct solution is a github that does signed reads [05:46]
mircea_popescu then let people filkter it out by their own criteria. [05:46]
mircea_popescu we got the wot, let's use the wot. [05:46]
asciilifeform heuristic: 1) piece of shit? 2) mysteriously ubiquitous? 3) quickly? 4) author is socially connected to other derpers pushing similar items that match 1-4 ? [05:46]
decimation yeah I agree [05:46]
decimation 'filter software by all known contributors' would be useful [05:46]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform mind that heuristics don't work well when lustration lists are involved. [05:47]
mircea_popescu decimation not contributors. filter by the people who read and signed off on this code. [05:47]
mircea_popescu nobdy gives a shit about the author. writing software is like taking a shit, worthless. [05:47]
TheNewDeal ;;calc .00000001*3500 [05:47]
gribble 3.5e-05 [05:47]
mircea_popescu tasting othe rpeople's shit is a valued skill [05:47]
asciilifeform today - no list. today all we have is loud, proud enemy, bragging about his deeds [05:47]
asciilifeform not even pretending to bother to hide. [05:47]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform we got the infrastructure. the guilotine, so to speak, is built. [05:47]
mircea_popescu that derps prance around it and pretend to be making light of its powerlessness... [05:48]
mircea_popescu that's the privilege of sheep. [05:48]
mircea_popescu any pig may take a piss on the blade late december. whether he does or does not, come christmas... [05:48]
decimation right, for instance someone in redhat said "yes, let's use poettering's turd in our next distro' [05:48]
mircea_popescu the problem is that nearly all hardware vendors would be on the list too << how i this a problem ? [05:49]
bounce you know, I've always had an instinctive disliking of avahi, without even having to read the code. some code really can smell right through everything. [05:49]
mircea_popescu bounce isn't it incredible how readily a circlejerk is formed [05:49]
mircea_popescu "great minds think alike and idiots seldom differ", was it. [05:49]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: guillotine << after years of searching, i finally found that ancient tale: http://www.asstr.org/files/Collections/snuffstories/Honda-Matic/TheVibrotine.html [05:50]
mircea_popescu asstraffoc ?! [05:50]
asciilifeform 'This gift certificate entitles the bearer to 1 (one) of our latest model of our most popular sexecution device the VibrotineTM 6000 GSP.' [05:50]
asciilifeform asstr where else [05:50]
decimation oh, poettering is employed by redhat - someone hired him [05:50]
bounce hard to tell who's doing the circle jerking though. [05:51]
mircea_popescu but an overly large list would be counter-productive; a valid concern. << counterproductive in what sense ? [05:51]
mircea_popescu we have an ample overabundance of both humans and capital goods. why is excluding all the vendors or all the social mediated shitheads a cost ? [05:51]
mircea_popescu it's a benefit. [05:51]
bounce if you have unlimited procuring power and so can order whatever you want from whichever custom shop can deliver it [05:52]
mircea_popescu dare to continue as is, you will, sooner or later, find yourself on the list. << this is a valid concern. [05:52]
asciilifeform professional hazard of guillotine operation, yes. [05:52]
TheNewDeal whens the next #ba meetup? [05:52]
Vexual nao [05:53]
mircea_popescu * bounce didn't catch on to hiding behind lame excuses with the openssl folks, but if so that ought to be enough to get the s/w booted entirely, not just revamped. << it is. [05:53]
decimation oh, poettering is employed by redhat - someone hired hi [05:53]
TheNewDeal like the irl one [05:53]
mircea_popescu de raadt made the same call [05:53]
mircea_popescu $conference [05:53]
empyex mircea_popescu: Next conference starts in 6 months and 20 days. Estimated cost today: 3.27056492 BTC (Details: http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/ ) [05:53]
bounce well, not entirely. they started kicking out "cruft" but keeping the general structure and core code [05:54]
mircea_popescu bounce: search channel logs re: at least three separate discussions of how this came to be << you know, giving terms like "xilinx" is better than an empty search entreaty. he doesn't know what to search for. [05:54]
asciilifeform xilinx. [05:54]
mircea_popescu bounce it gets complicated, obviously. tbh i don't have atm an opinion on the libre thing [05:55]
BingoBoingo http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/03/09/20_freescale_employees_missing_on_mh370/ << 0.o [05:56]
assbot 20 Freescale staff on vanished Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 The Register [05:56]
mircea_popescu counting a shifter as 'xxx gates' worth << how the fuck does that work. bit register shifting ? [05:56]
bounce ultimately the APIs it offers need to go since they're badly designed and tricky to use correctly. but you can't exactly do that for a drop-in replacement. this is a low-hanging fruit approach. though the new crew is IMO a better deal than throwing money at the guys that made such a mess of it, as google et al did. [05:57]
decimation BingoBoingo: some companies have rules about how many staff can travel on one flight [05:57]
TheNewDeal wasn't the last conference like 5 btc entry? [05:57]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: they could it as however many gates it is made of. and conveniently forget to mention that they can't be rewired using the switching matrix (only a rather smallish number of 'generic' gates can) [05:57]
mircea_popescu TheNewDeal something like that. but that was in 2013. [05:57]
asciilifeform *count it as [05:57]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu> bounce it gets complicated, obviously. tbh i don't have atm an opinion on the libre thing << My read. Watch the chopping for a year or two and see what happens. [05:57]
Vexual yeah, the costs of throwing a can of jolt at a $2000 lcd have gone up too, and you need better aim [05:57]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo quite. [05:57]
TheNewDeal vexual, what's the drink count at tonight? [05:58]
mircea_popescu not so smart making calls on babies, either. l;et them grow first. [05:58]
bounce the immediate risk is that they'll be insufferable for a goodly while. [05:58]
asciilifeform linked: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/07/15/megumi_igarashi_cuffed [05:59]
assbot Japanese artist cuffed for disseminating 3D ladyparts files The Register [05:59]
mircea_popescu still this boring woman ? [06:00]
* asciilifeform must have missed the first part, if 'still' [06:00]
mircea_popescu it's so sad to see the libertard behaviour trying to take hold in otherwise pleasant countries. [06:00]
BingoBoingo not so smart making calls on babies, either. l;et them grow first. << What I like about Deraadt is while Pottering came to make Lindows, De Raadt's came into *nix fascinated with process separation http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/10/07/1097089476287.html?oneclick=true [06:00]
assbot Staying on the cutting edge - Technology - theage.com.au [06:00]
mircea_popescu there's this failure that aspires to be an artist through pr. [06:00]
mircea_popescu she's been doing this for a while now. [06:01]
asciilifeform aha, 'pussy riots' [06:01]
mircea_popescu not even. [06:01]
mircea_popescu at least those are bangable. [06:01]
mircea_popescu this tard's like 50. [06:01]
asciilifeform ! [06:01]
asciilifeform lol [06:01]
mircea_popescu nubile young women being too stupid to live is almost expected [06:01]
mircea_popescu definitely makes one suspicious if they aren't. [06:01]
mircea_popescu but by the age of infertility one'd expect even a libertard to wisen up a little. [06:02]
asciilifeform suspicious of what ? [06:02]
mircea_popescu that's not how suspicious works. [06:02]
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BingoBoingo decimation: Interesting place to put a limit [06:03]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo, decimation: usg has a famous, traditional limit for number of top bureaucrats in one square km. [06:03]
decimation my personal opinion is that something bad happened on the jet, oxygen got sucked out before anyone could do much, becomes 'death ship' [06:04]
decimation has happened before http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helios_Airways_Flight_522 [06:04]
assbot Helios Airways Flight 522 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [06:04]
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mats_cd03 asciilifeform: http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/qnk18t/we-may-have-problems--but-at-least-we-re-not-jailing-artists-for-3-d-printing-their-vaginas [06:10]
assbot We May Have Problems, But at Least We're Not Jailing Artists for 3-D Printing Their Vaginas - The Daily Show - Video Clip | Comedy Central [06:10]
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mats_cd03 i used to attend these sexual harassment briefings while in .mil [06:21]
Vexual dont take your diaper off in polite company? [06:22]
mats_cd03 it would typically tend with the audience half-asleep, horrified, or angst-ridden [06:22]
asciilifeform mats_cd03: lol, they herded us (contractors) in for the claptrap, too [06:22]
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mats_cd03 topics included consent while inebriated, with the tag-line often being 'if you're drunk and she's drunk, neither of you can consent, so you're rapin each other up in here'. [06:22]
asciilifeform mats_cd03: the only funnier mandatory timewaster was the 'counter-intelligence' one [06:23]
Vexual meanwhile the japanese girl is advancing hydrodynamics without even trying [06:23]
TomServo 22:20.16 +mats_cd03 | it would typically tend with the audience half-asleep, horrified, or angst-ridden [06:23]
mats_cd03 a contractor i worked with had a hearing implant [06:23]
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mats_cd03 he told me once he would sometimes tune the speakers out... such jealousy [06:24]
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mats_cd03 there were a lot of those time wasters. [06:25]
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decimation I had a friend who was white, married a black woman. he still had to go to the mandatory racial sensitivity class [06:26]
mats_cd03 lets see... sexual harassment. counterintelligence. resilience. suicide prevention. equal opportunity. [06:26]
mats_cd03 and of course... change of command ceremonies. weekend safety briefs. area beautification. [06:28]
mats_cd03 they really don't cover the janitor/babysitter roles in the Army of One commercials. [06:29]
asciilifeform mats_cd03: glorious things. esp. when being marched in despite having no conceivable role in the proceedings. [06:29]
mats_cd03 i developed a talent for checking out with my eyes open while standing up, though. [06:30]
decimation it seems to me that these are fundamentally religious in nature [06:30]
mats_cd03 oops... not Army of One anymore. Be All You Can Be? nah that was before. i think its Army Strong now. [06:30]
decimation in ancient Rome the equivalent would be how to consult the entrails of a chicken to see if the gods are pleased [06:31]
decimation these whiners about bendy iphones are hilarious. we want our iphones paper thin but NOT BENDY! [06:34]
mats_cd03 apple's burning cash building a new campus next to cupertino village [06:36]
decimation you know, if apple (and the rest of the silly-con valley band) really want to save money, why not relocate to des moines? [06:38]
mats_cd03 because they've managed to create a talent vortex in SV [06:38]
asciilifeform why would they want to save money ? [06:38]
mats_cd03 not a very good one, by some accounts, but still [06:38]
decimation asciilifeform: that gets to the root of the problem. I have no idea [06:39]
asciilifeform !s stotting [06:39]
assbot 2 results for 'stotting' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=stotting [06:39]
decimation why does zuckerberg want to beg usg for cheap slave labor? [06:39]
Vexual ;;date [06:40]
gribble Error: "date" is not a valid command. [06:40]
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mats_cd03 i thought it was about getting cheap, _excellent_ slave labor [06:41]
mats_cd03 after all, universities in the us are just not producing the candidates they want [06:41]
decimation (at the price they like) [06:42]
Vexual cheap and subsidised are two different things [06:42]
mats_cd03 i would not be surprised if 90% of us CS graduates are unemployable [06:42]
Vexual CS? [06:42]
Vexual oh [06:43]
decimation http://www.asee.org/papers-and-publications/publications/college-profiles/2011-profile-engineering-statistics.pdf [06:44]
Vexual yeah knowing what you want is the hardest part [06:44]
decimation the us only graduates ~15,000 b.s. degrees in electrical or computer engineering [06:45]
Vexual pa? [06:45]
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Vexual and how many from 15k are worth a pinch of shit? [06:46]
Vexual pls interpret this infographic for me [06:46]
decimation well, for the price of one whatsapp, facebook could have hired 6 years worth of graduates, pay them each $100k salary and $100k to do something interesting [06:47]
Vexual ;;calc 6*15000 [06:47]
gribble 90000 [06:47]
asciilifeform !s merit washing [06:47]
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decimation ;;calc 90000*200e3 [06:48]
gribble Error: unexpected EOF while parsing (, line 1) [06:48]
asciilifeform ^ or propose another explanation for, e.g., reviving 1990s 'man in the iron mask' virtual oculars [06:48]
decimation ;;calc 90000*200000 [06:48]
gribble 18000000000 [06:48]
decimation asciilifeform: that's a pretty likely hypothesis [06:49]
decimation it would explain the derping for immigrants too, if one interprets as 'noblesse oblige' [06:49]
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Vexual do they still do compuer science degrees? [06:57]
asciilifeform Vexual: which 'they' ? here - yes. (though, continuously diluted in the requirements) [06:58]
Vexual did you study computer science? [06:58]
asciilifeform yes. [06:58]
Vexual like 6 months of pascal with a pen? [06:58]
decimation Vexual: cs degrees were excluded by the earlier pdf, because it was focused on engineering [06:59]
decimation not that I could clearly delineate computer engineering and 'computer science' [06:59]
asciilifeform pascal was fashionable when i was in grade school, which is where it was taught [06:59]
asciilifeform (it was actually inflicted on my by sibling much earlier) [06:59]
Vexual and so you prolly enhanced your university with new concepts? [07:00]
asciilifeform ?? [07:01]
Vexual advanced the cirriculem and all? [07:01]
Vexual were you good at it? [07:01]
decimation in my experience undergrads were generally ineligible to advance anything [07:01]
decimation they are the lowest members of the education bureaucracy [07:01]
asciilifeform undergrad - prey animal. [07:02]
Vexual hmm yes [07:02]
* asciilifeform suffered fair share of employment as undergrad research grunt of various stripes [07:03]
* asciilifeform cannot lay claim to 'advancing' anything [07:03]
Vexual busy is good [07:04]
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decimation http://www.vox.com/2014/6/27/5846456/6-charts-pew-ideology << for those with an interest in usology (like sovietology) [07:05]
assbot 6 charts that show Republican vs. Democrat wildly oversimplifies American politics - Vox [07:05]
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decimation and this one. http://www.vox.com/2014/9/15/6131919/democrats-and-republicans-really-are-different "And they note that while voters tend to agree with Republicans on the philosophical questions in American politics (should government be smaller?) they tend to agree with Democrats on the policy questions in American politics (like should Social Security be smaller?)." [07:09]
assbot Why Democrats and Republicans dont understand each other - Vox [07:09]
Vexual phew, the other one reeked of family fued [07:09]
decimation yeah actually that was the wrong link, I wanted the second one. but both demonstrate voter stupidity [07:10]
Vexual yeah i still kinda like the frist one better [07:10]
Vexual 9 outta ten scienticians can't be wrong, peer reviews shit is an ice dice [07:14]
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Vexual have you ever been included in bullshit research aciilifeform? i'd imagine youre kinda immune to that shit [07:18]
asciilifeform Vexual: included - sure. [07:18]
Vexual u don't mind? [07:19]
mats_cd03 gotta eat. [07:19]
asciilifeform ^ [07:19]
decimation as my links show, bullshit artistry runs the us [07:19]
decimation gotta kowtow to bullshit artists to make bezzlars [07:19]
Vexual meh it is what it is [07:21]
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Vexual one can't prove anything on ones own anymore [07:27]
Vexual ^thats a vexualism; you can [07:29]
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Vexual one can also accidentally fuck up an interesting conversation about fgpas by interjecting [07:33]
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Vexual last time i attempted asm, i spilled my jolt [07:40]
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Vexual ;;ud piss poor [07:44]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=piss%20poor | 1)im gonna be piss poor this month since i spent all my paycheck on crack. 2)I hired someone to paint my car but they did a piss poor job. by mullett December ... [07:44]
Vexual i made a piss poor attempt [07:45]
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Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1Td8AFRXWA [07:49]
Vexual https://v.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/EB36C1962D1109119524013539328_2cf749e85a9.1.0.7333471040458587697.mp4?versionId=OXvIqDK2K9bHQMeDaUdCqJnd01rEpsZn [07:53]
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Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8tODhvb47s [08:05]
Vexual ;;search dcc [08:05]
gribble There were no matching configuration variables. [08:05]
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Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7qQ6_RV4VQ [08:12]
Vexual whats not viking [08:12]
Vexual hi ragnar [08:12]
RagnarDanneskjol hi [08:18]
Vexual what say you? [08:19]
Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNPA68htGxk [08:19]
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RagnarDanneskjol whats the name of that band you posted video a few weeks ago. dopey looking guys 80s band on top of a hotel - i recognized them but forgot. good song i hadnt heard in decades [08:21]
Vexual happy mondays, the mans name is sean ryder [08:21]
RagnarDanneskjol maybe very early 90s, but i thing late 80s [08:21]
RagnarDanneskjol thats it [08:21]
Vexual yeqah [08:21]
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Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPIIlm24-lk [08:32]
Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pROPMG471GQ [08:37]
BingoBoingo http://www.27bslash6.com/interviews.html [08:38]
assbot "How is this an issue? Just ask ten fucking interview questions." [08:38]
Vexual this requies input mircea_popescue [08:38]
Vexual that smells like fidonet [08:40]
Vexual excepting verboser [08:42]
Vexual what did you do today? [08:43]
BingoBoingo Not too much [08:45]
Vexual were you holding a shovel? [08:47]
BingoBoingo Nah [08:51]
Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gDch1p4c_M [08:53]
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mats_cd03 soylent tastes like sawdust [08:55]
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mats_cd03 you heard it here first [08:55]
Vexual most asseteers are inedible [08:56]
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mats_cd03 i take pride in being inedible to most predators [08:58]
Vexual ;;seen dub [08:58]
gribble dub was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 2 hours, 7 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: 50 types of forcemeat the soviet dream [08:58]
Vexual yum [08:58]
mats_cd03 on the subject of eating people, the new Hannibal is incredible and you should all watch it [08:59]
cazalla tv series? [09:00]
mats_cd03 ya hbo [09:00]
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BingoBoingo !up PPVKIGNX [09:03]
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Vexual jack nick shoulda been hannibal lector [09:04]
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Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACUCVTH6f0g [09:06]
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BingoBoingo http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/ferguson-officer-wounded-after-confronting-burglars-suspects-remain-at-large/article_21e165ad-1f7f-5ae8-b30a-fb9d9dc40afe.html [09:12]
assbot Ferguson officer wounded after confronting burglars; suspects remain at large : News [09:12]
Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TbW1srpjZc [09:14]
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Vexual fuck i love rodregiuz [09:19]
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Vexual new neil blomkamph flick ist soon too [09:21]
Vexual welcommin to der future kids [09:22]
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Vexual ;;google chappie title sequence [09:30]
gribble Chappie Title Sequence on Vimeo: ; Videos about “neill blomkamp” on Vimeo: ; WTJ* on Vimeo: [09:30]
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Vexual http://vimeo.com/84731939 [09:34]
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RagnarDanneskjol http://youtu.be/0c3d7QgZr7g [09:38]
assbot Ted Nugent - Stranglehold - YouTube [09:38]
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Vexual now were rocking [09:39]
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RagnarDanneskjol i forget how great a guitar playr he is [09:41]
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Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCjspyo-_aI [09:47]
Vexual stolen [09:48]
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mircea_popescu my personal opinion is that something bad happened on the jet, oxygen got sucked out before anyone could do much, becomes 'death ship' << [09:48]
Vexual its the boss [09:49]
BingoBoingo %v [09:49]
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mircea_popescu i developed a talent for checking out with my eyes open while standing up, though. << this has been a 100 year tradition [09:50]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: that gets to the root of the problem. I have no idea << this is like proposing that the show moves out of town to save on props. the town is the show. the props are just the props. [09:51]
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* Vexual :the sommelier with the brand enema [09:55]
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Vexual you only pay once [09:57]
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Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buG9fXAM0II [09:59]
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Vexual half price for brazilian firewater [10:01]
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Vexual end ejext [10:03]
Vexual comic timing and the rhyming while were priming [10:04]
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Vexual shit chutes ready for skin flutes [10:05]
Vexual champagne to order the pain [10:06]
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Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH3Q_CZy968 blondie ist loud [10:08]
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Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8MWdyM_nSw [10:15]
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Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6JYzOjglBs [10:25]
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Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J92g7LKkZ1I [10:36]
Vexual ;;seen cazalla [10:42]
gribble cazalla was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 hour, 42 minutes, and 47 seconds ago: tv series? [10:42]
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Vexual !s cazalla dcc [10:43]
RagnarDanneskjol Vexual -can you see log webpage/ [10:43]
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Vexual no [10:44]
RagnarDanneskjol ok me neither, flushed dns still no [10:44]
Vexual so this ceo of digital btc, his parents bth work nasa [10:48]
Vexual and weh he buy bitmain he dont dhl [10:48]
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Vexual he also dont fly himself but he but jet fuel [10:49]
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Vexual company is worth more than friedcats and he doesnt even trade dollars [10:53]
Vexual ex coke habit [10:54]
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Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFHjt4bY6VY [11:00]
mircea_popescu !up RPrpRP [11:06]
-assbot- Insufficient rights, mircea_popescu, !up yourself on PM first. [11:06]
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mircea_popescu !up RPrpRP [11:06]
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RPrpRP good morning [11:07]
RPrpRP I am from reddit police, investigating vote manipulation [11:07]
Vexual RPrpRP: whatsup fool [11:07]
Vexual spamming cunts with threats? [11:08]
Vexual you're from reddit? [11:08]
RPrpRP our trained experts who come from many different agencies, including ShitRedditSays, SubredditDrama and TumblrInAction take offense to your criticism of reddit [11:08]
RPrpRP and vote manipulation [11:09]
Vexual why are you telling me? [11:09]
Vexual u redditarded? [11:09]
RPrpRP nah i'm goat. [11:09]
Vexual have you herd of me? [11:10]
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RPrpRP no [11:11]
fluffypony shit just got SRS. [11:12]
RagnarDanneskjol ahaha [11:12]
mircea_popescu RPrpRP are you the kid with the wordpress trackback list i published yest ? [11:13]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/o-hai-let-me-wanna-be/ << this, specifically. [11:14]
assbot 404 Not Found [11:14]
RPrpRP derp yes [11:15]
Vexual :0 [11:15]
mircea_popescu so get in the wot and stop being dorky ? [11:15]
Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfbgRBaEsfo [11:16]
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RPrpRP i don't think trilema is "unaffected" [11:17]
* Vexual learn affect [11:18]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla hey is britney being molested ? [11:18]
fluffypony u wot m8 [11:18]
BingoBoingo Oh is a website being DDos'd [11:18]
Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYf2Dh71RgY [11:21]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [11:25]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 400.0, Best ask: 400.36, Bid-ask spread: 0.36000, Last trade: 400.0, 24 hour volume: 5354.10535340, 24 hour low: 396.57, 24 hour high: 408.67, 24 hour vwap: 401.689673307 [11:25]
mircea_popescu time for another above 400 bet ? [11:25]
Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZD982yrmx4 ill take 440 [11:26]
Vexual people liquidating assets learns em [11:30]
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cazalla random article i'm reading " I have rarely encountered hostility, although one person from Romania asked me to sterilize myself." [11:32]
Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CQLAhNlbfQ forwhoeverthefuckaskedboutit [11:33]
cazalla Vexual, i'm not really following dcc closely, just read the ann that come out on asx [11:33]
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Vexual i had a look, the cats a bit mental [11:33]
mircea_popescu cazalla in some culture that's friendly not hostile. [11:34]
Vexual shits pumin on asx [11:34]
cazalla mircea_popescu, in Romanian culture? [11:35]
mircea_popescu hehe no. [11:35]
Vexual hes actually got a fine business model [11:35]
cazalla Vexual, he comes across as scammy as fuck imo [11:35]
Vexual he speds more on jet fuel than dcc [11:35]
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Vexual bought a lambourghini with internet moeny too [11:37]
Vexual but his public facing stuff lokks okay [11:37]
BingoBoingo !up RPrpRP [11:37]
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cazalla so these massage adverts online, are you meant to read between the lines when it says not a sexual service? [11:39]
cazalla you know the sorta ones fronted by asians Vexual? [11:39]
Vexual yeah i kinda know the concept [11:40]
cazalla so are they legit massage or topless asian student gives ya a handy massage? [11:40]
Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dtu-EGtZpc [11:41]
Vexual what the hell are you asking me? [11:41]
cazalla asking anyone really [11:41]
cazalla but given you're down under, figured you might know [11:41]
mircea_popescu cazalla if you're going there for a massage you get a massage. if you're going there for a blowjob you get a blowjob [11:41]
mircea_popescu service industry. [11:41]
Vexual i get drunk and relax my muscles nightly [11:42]
cazalla i guess i'll just pick one and see what happens [11:42]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform btw you ever heard of the exploits of one Yevno Azef ? [11:43]
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RPrpRP http get flood is boring, i am recalling my troops and going back to masturbating on gonewild and discussing how much weed i smoke on /r/trees [11:47]
Vexual onya becky [11:48]
RPrpRP mircea_popescu, won't attack you again if you don't post this attack's logs [11:48]
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mircea_popescu so he's attacking me and he's the one with the liability ? wtf is wrong with kids today. [11:49]
Vexual script kiddy doesnt mean what it once did [11:50]
BingoBoingo !b 2 [11:50]
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Vexual you're not a script kiddie til vex is your step dad [11:53]
Vexual and your younger brother is invariably better at everything [11:54]
Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVJag-TBCk8 [11:56]
Vexual derp [11:57]
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Vexual densron [12:01]
Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YPCdJbZYXo [12:05]
mircea_popescu so the latest revision of the dsm crapolade actually lists relationship ~intensity~ as a clinical pathology. [12:09]
mircea_popescu always fascinating what extremes idiots will go to before owing to their idiocy. [12:10]
Vexual what number? [12:10]
mircea_popescu pick any number. [12:11]
Vexual well ill double the number of goats i can peel a day [12:11]
Vexual multiply it by some other number [12:11]
Vexual rub in some bullshit [12:12]
Vexual acety2 [12:13]
Vexual ? [12:14]
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mircea_popescu "Programmers have indeed created a universe where "science doesn't work." Learning where the permanent bugs and workarounds are inside a phonebook-length API teaches you nothing. It is anti-knowledge. Where your mind could have instead held something lastingly useful or truly beautiful, there is now garbage." [12:15]
mircea_popescu wow hn people can actually phrase ? who knew. [12:15]
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mircea_popescu o wait, it's really stan. nm. [12:16]
mircea_popescu i was thinking wtf, AND linking loper.os, what world is this [12:16]
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Vexual 0 day 1 [12:19]
Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umyv4ETrV5E [12:20]
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Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHglhwcwO8I [12:24]
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Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQBCJIEnQJM [12:28]
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Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nMkHt37iCc [12:33]
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Vexual ;;seen ben_vuples [12:39]
gribble I have not seen ben_vuples. [12:39]
Vexual ;;seen tacos [12:39]
gribble I have not seen tacos. [12:39]
Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrCrDaKqS9s [12:41]
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mircea_popescu %d [18:37]
atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 302829.12 in 737 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -83.88 [18:37]
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kakobrekla ... "Notice: Undefined variable: c " ... [18:52]
kakobrekla i thought c was well defined [18:52]
mircea_popescu heh [19:05]
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mats_cd03 im seeing a lot of rabble rousing over democracy in hk from my WoT [19:06]
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mats_cd03 poor delusional peoples [19:07]
thestringpuller http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/09/25/marc-andreessen-sounds-warning-on-start-ups-burning-cash/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0 [19:07]
mats_cd03 whatever happens, the party has the wealth and patience to wait them out...just like with taiwan [19:07]
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mats_cd03 theres even a ribbon now! wear a yellow ribbon, for democracy in hong kong. [19:09]
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*dignork* PRIVMSG mircea_popescu :xmj is not in my Wot, but you already figured it out i suppose. (sent it earlier, but otr was out of sync) [19:14]
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mircea_popescu mats_cd03 yeah hk sovereignity is a doomed proposition [19:15]
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chetty http://dailysignal.com/2014/09/28/how-chinas-one-child-policy-is-setting-nation-up-for-economic-crisis/ [19:25]
assbot How China's One-Child Policy Is Setting Nation Up for Economic Crisis [19:25]
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mats_cd03 setting up for invasion maybe [19:27]
mats_cd03 an aggressive china would be interesting to see...what would they take first? [19:27]
mircea_popescu doubt they really need to. besides, they're playing this game of humiliating the us, [19:28]
mircea_popescu where they don't need to invade places to win. [19:28]
mircea_popescu so far it's working splendidly. [19:28]
mats_cd03 all those young men though. [19:30]
mircea_popescu which ? [19:30]
mats_cd03 i guess there are going to be a lot of gay chinese men in that generation [19:30]
mircea_popescu you're using some sort of prior here im not privy to. say wut ? [19:31]
chetty lots of 'extra' men makes for good wars [19:32]
mircea_popescu it could. [19:32]
mircea_popescu china is traditionally a sort of dog vomit (the fungus). it doesn't really war. [19:32]
chetty dont think the issue of lots of extra menn has come up before, might twist traditions a bit [19:34]
mircea_popescu true [19:34]
chetty wow, there might actually be something new under the sun [19:38]
mats_cd03 a society designed for rigor mortis, in some ways [19:38]
bounce meh. I thought that china /wanted/ a smaller population which naturally includes a smaller workforce. so how that's now a problem eludes me. unless "economic growth" is part of your religion, perhaps. [19:39]
mircea_popescu bounce you will have to appreciate idiot western peoples, even without any help from the propaganda machine, automatically interpret phenomena in a certain key. [19:40]
mircea_popescu so you know, arab women are unhappy because they don't live in the downtown on foodstamps, which has to be better than what they got because what else is the speaker doing there ?! [19:41]
mircea_popescu and certainly the chinese have "problems" they never heard of. similarly to how putin "doesn't understand how reality works". [19:41]
chetty well the age spread of the population may cause some issues, even if you ignore economic growth [19:46]
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bounce on another note, we've had quite a lot of skillfully-hidden-in-the-numbers inflation that's well above the official growth rates. thus depleting both savings and hiding an effective economic decline [19:47]
bounce also, we are running headlong into the aging workforce problem now; china has a while to fix it and by that time can steal all those smart carebots the japanese are building [19:48]
chetty lmao, not so hidded, unless you tend to believe usg published numbers [19:48]
bounce I think china's sitting prettier than we are. [19:49]
chetty s/hidden [19:49]
mircea_popescu bounce china is sitting prettier than everyone for the very simple reason that it has the absolute lead in all technology. [19:49]
mircea_popescu it doesn't cost THEM fifty trillion to try and fail to build a new airplane. [19:49]
bounce if by "lead" meaning "has a copy of the plans and can cherry-pick the ones that work", yes [19:50]
mircea_popescu moreover if it does, it can pay cash. [19:50]
mircea_popescu no, i mean the us has transferred all its technology there in exchange for cheap labour but under condition it shares the tech [19:50]
mircea_popescu whereas china has not nor will ever do the same. [19:50]
mircea_popescu if you pour from a to b but never from b to a, you can bet your ears b's gonna be fuller. [19:51]
mats_cd03 an interesting theory [19:51]
mircea_popescu quite far from a theory, this. [19:51]
mircea_popescu observable phenomena for > 30 years by now. [19:52]
bounce at the same time they have a serious plaggiarism problem (they copied "publish or perish" too, bwahahaha) so long term they're risking stagnation [19:52]
mats_cd03 you perceive the flow isn't imperceptibly happening in the other direction, too [19:52]
mircea_popescu and china is liable to continue on the course that brought it success, humbly begging for what it wants, rather than suddenly swich to the course that sunk the us. [19:52]
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mircea_popescu even if the us imagines that now that china has the better car it should drive it the same way it drove its own, right into a wall. [19:53]
mircea_popescu china's parents woudn't approve, and moreover china doesn't want to be either stupid or in possesison of a car wreckage. [19:53]
mircea_popescu bounce perhaps not very creative, yes. perhaps that may matter. if it will, it won't be this century. [19:53]
mircea_popescu the romans lived a millenium out of carefuly implementing the greek ideas. [19:54]
chetty inventiveness is not a high point of china, doubt they will come up with any new ideas [19:54]
mircea_popescu careful management and patient attention is good enough for a lifetime. [19:54]
mircea_popescu chetty i will tell you one new idea they came up with. they made the astoundingly daring move of organising their defense on sane grounds. china is surrounded by about a million rockets. [19:55]
mircea_popescu there's no way to effectualy destroy these, and there's no way the us aircraft carriers could survive an hour in a hostile china sea. [19:55]
bounce it'll be a while but it'll be stuck a goodly while too. a thousand years of stagnation they've already had. [19:55]
mircea_popescu that's novel enough for their needs. [19:55]
chetty well I wouldnt call it novel, but it does seem they read history better than most [19:56]
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mircea_popescu (and europe pushing china out of their galileo thing was incredibly stupid, but then again europe is chiefly remembered in history for astounding stupidity) [19:56]
mircea_popescu chetty see ? what's in a novelty. [19:56]
mircea_popescu people can get by for a while just making good use of the history book. [19:56]
mats_cd03 the memory of your enemy on your shores is something that stays vivid for a long time [19:57]
mircea_popescu bounce stagnation isn't as bad as you may think. [19:58]
mats_cd03 ive been thinking about space exploration. are we going to carve up mars into nations? or, perhaps further into the future, every nation gets its own planet [19:59]
bounce in the current set-up with deliberate inflation it's... not a good idea. [20:00]
mats_cd03 think of the experiments we could perform over millenia. [20:00]
mircea_popescu mats_cd03 are you aware mars is inhospitable ? [20:00]
mats_cd03 yes [20:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.00075141 = 11.1584 BTC [-] [20:01]
mircea_popescu so then why mars specifically ? why not real estate 5000 feet underground. [20:01]
bounce "off-site backups" [20:03]
bounce also, "reaching for the stars" is much more appealing than digging hobbit holes [20:03]
chetty people wont go 'to the stars' until they stop squabbling over pieces of pie on earth, ie never [20:04]
mircea_popescu that may well not matter hm ? [20:04]
asciilifeform off-planet is appealing precisely because of the cost, for enemy, of following you there. [20:05]
mircea_popescu stotting behaviour ? [20:06]
asciilifeform at least. [20:06]
mircea_popescu unless there's a hospitable planet somewhere, [20:06]
mircea_popescu or unless earth goes to shit to the degree of making mars look like freshly shaved virgin pussy [20:06]
mircea_popescu there's no stars bs. [20:06]
mircea_popescu you could live on the antarctic right now, if you fancy paying 2k for a bottle of fizz. [20:07]
mats_cd03 close enough to menace earth and there might even be resources [20:07]
asciilifeform antarctic - not automatic sovereign. [20:07]
mircea_popescu fuck, you could live in that "gulch" real estate scam. [20:07]
asciilifeform within range of derps' weapons. [20:07]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform tell you what, you know what an indentured servant is ? [20:07]
asciilifeform certainly. [20:07]
mircea_popescu no way in fuck you're going to be a "sovereign" on a planet you just colonised. [20:07]
mircea_popescu unless you make your own crops and your own space stations... [20:08]
mircea_popescu think early us. what sovereign ? [20:08]
asciilifeform naturally [20:08]
mircea_popescu yes well, people don't undergo centuriesd of expense to fulfil a cartoon dream. [20:08]
mircea_popescu unless the planet is naturally hospitable, unless there's an angle somewhere, not happening. [20:08]
asciilifeform interestingly, no one, afaik, has mentioned the solid prerequisite of fixing RuBisCo enzyme. [20:08]
* asciilifeform has eyes, sees that it isn't happening, quite a few missing pieces with nowhere to come from [20:09]
* asciilifeform but definitely grasps the appeal [20:10]
chetty unless of course some friendly aliens drop in and give us a ride :D [20:10]
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bounce notice how india got there for less budget than that movie. and less than a third of a single "cheap, reusable" shuttle launch [20:11]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the inescapable moral of story is that it is much cheaper to launch the rockets - horizontally - and clean up earth from pests [20:11]
mats_cd03 i wonder if they used duct tape. [20:11]
mircea_popescu bounce right, " it doesn't cost THEM fifty trillion to try and fail to build a new airplane." [20:11]
aabtc aegis agamemno123 AlexWkz altoz AndrewJackson Anduck Apocalyptic arij artifexd asciilifeform assbot atcbot Azelphur [20:11]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform no need for rockets. you don't kill cockroaches with a .5 [20:12]
mircea_popescu even if you have one. [20:12]
bounce nobody's complaining that dollars are buying so much less in the developed world, though [20:12]
mircea_popescu orly ? [20:13]
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mats_cd03 http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/vatican-paedophilia-scandal-archbishop-jozef-wesolowski-stored-over-100000-child-porn-videos-1467410 [20:17]
assbot Vatican Paedophilia Scandal: Archbishop Jozef Wesolowski Stored Over 100,000 Child Porn Videos [20:17]
mats_cd03 highest ranking pedo ever [20:18]
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bounce there's some outsourcing (and grumbling the work coming back is sub-par) and some grumbling about "jobs lost" and such. but the spacex thing is relatively recent, and I haven't really noticed much drive to cut the costs of the various wars being waged, for example. it's just... lower taxes, spend more, run up a bigger debt bill. [20:21]
mircea_popescu so nobody is complaining. like, i can hire someone for 2k a month because they won't complain. [20:22]
mircea_popescu i'll just say hey, 2k a month was plenty 20 years ago [20:22]
mircea_popescu and they'll say sure, ample. [20:22]
bounce what does the walmart employee make, across their three separate jobs minus the transport costs to get from one job to another? also, why do they have three jobs and still need food stamps? [20:25]
chetty http://dailysignal.com/2014/09/27/michelle-obama-wrong-trash-america-un/ [20:26]
assbot Why Michelle Obama Was Wrong to Trash America at the UN [20:26]
chetty The next time Michelle Obama stands before an audience of countries where women are truly discriminated against—some forced to cover their entire bodies or have a male guardian with them in public—and complains that America struggles with “harmful cultural norms that tell women how they are expected to look and act,” forgive me if I’m a little embarrassed. [20:27]
mircea_popescu how could michelle obama have been wrong ?! [20:27]
mircea_popescu don't these people know she';s black ? [20:27]
mircea_popescu AND a woman ? [20:27]
mircea_popescu fucking mysogyracists [20:27]
ben_vulpes interestingly, greenarrays now takes bitcoin [20:38]
ben_vulpes although, coinbase. [20:38]
ben_vulpes (which i learned recently is still running on the "i don't know how to server, guise" "PaaS" Heroku) [20:39]
ben_vulpes dafuq is strong with this one [20:39]
mircea_popescu lol [20:40]
ben_vulpes "arrayForth is a complete, interactive software development and debugging environment for GreenArrays Chips. It includes assembler/compiler, example source code including all ROM on each chip, a full software-level simulator for each chip, and an Interactive Development Environment for use with real chips. The latest release is configured by default for the EVB001 Evaluation Board, for which Virtual Machine support and other tools are [20:42]
ben_vulpes included. Follow this link to arrayForth Software Support for documentation and for fully functional downloadable software provided free of charge. " [20:42]
ben_vulpes one of these days i'll have the time to dig into these nutso forth chips [20:42]
ben_vulpes decimation ... filter by the people who read and signed off << i grow more convinced every day that the vast majority of people who write software cannot also read software [20:43]
mircea_popescu duh. [20:44]
bounce somewhat puzzling that perl isn't more popular *rimshot* [20:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26225 @ 0.00075108 = 19.6971 BTC [-] {3} [20:46]
mircea_popescu ka boosch [20:48]
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ben_vulpes mats_cd03: soylent << http://survivorind.com/3600.html all the upside, none of the software derps killing people with atoms [20:50]
mats_cd03 have you ever had ensure [20:52]
ben_vulpes the enpoopifier? [20:52]
mats_cd03 perhaps [20:54]
ben_vulpes mats_cd03: i eat real food, but i'm fascinated with the people who insist on living like the poor humans kicked out of the Matrix [20:54]
mats_cd03 there's a middle ground to be had [20:55]
ben_vulpes what was your point about ensure? [20:55]
mats_cd03 nothing really, just curious if you've tried it [20:56]
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* bounce has often enough wished for a nice "complete meal bar". rip open, munch, done with the food. though could never be arsed to go out and find something satisfying. [20:58]
ben_vulpes closest thing i've found is tacos. [21:00]
mats_cd03 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/11121843/Decorated-soldier-quits-army-saying-hes-sick-of-being-treated-like-an-idiot.html [21:00]
assbot Decorated soldier quits army saying he's sick of being 'treated like an idiot' - Telegraph [21:00]
mats_cd03 not as thougg he stormed off the job like some clerk, but still. lol. [21:02]
mats_cd03 *though [21:03]
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thestringpuller soylent is people [21:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00075017 = 8.927 BTC [-] [21:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00075157 = 5.1107 BTC [+] [21:19]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00075156 = 3.9457 BTC [-] [21:51]
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kakobrekla http://www.righto.com/2014/09/mining-bitcoin-with-pencil-and-paper.html [21:54]
assbot Ken Shirriff's blog: Mining Bitcoin with pencil and paper: 0.67 hashes per day [21:54]
ben_vulpes i don't endorse this, but i am bringing it to your attention: http://straight.romansnitko.com/ [21:59]
assbot Straight: an opensource Bitcoin payment gateway [21:59]
kakobrekla hell'o'block [22:07]
ben_vulpes hellablock [22:07]
kakobrekla so theres like a fuckton of blockchain readers with web 3.0 frontpage these days [22:08]
ben_vulpes roman snitko has a bitmessage address, but not a gpg key [22:09]
ben_vulpes fuh fuh fuh fail [22:09]
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mircea_popescu lol [22:17]
[]bot Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $350 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1034/ Odds: 40(Y):60(N) by coin, 38(Y):62(N) by weight. Total bet: 39.70475605 BTC. Current weight: 29,774. [22:23]
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penguirker New blog post: http://contravex.com/2014/09/28/the-internet-is-everything-how-internet-censorship-only-affects-the-poor/ [22:37]
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ben_vulpes for a company that prides itself on "ux" i find it hilarious that github wastes 30% of its windows. [22:58]
kakobrekla but but empty space lets ux breathe! [23:01]
ben_vulpes the text is suffocating [23:01]
ben_vulpes help [23:01]
fluffypony lol [23:02]
ben_vulpes someone call a ux doctor [23:02]
kakobrekla mpex breathes a lot [23:02]
ben_vulpes izzat so http://mpex.ws/?mpsic=S.WOL [23:03]
assbot S.WOL last 1@0.00008790 [23:03]
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kakobrekla yea http://shrani.si/f/3G/Og/4mcR6aKB/mpex-breathes.png [23:07]
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ben_vulpes such table [23:10]
ben_vulpes very 1993 [23:11]
kakobrekla the detail is on the right [23:11]
* ben_vulpes chuckles [23:12]
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ben_vulpes nobody cares about bitcoin anything, world's going to war, bitcoin's going back to $3/per [23:25]
ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: what's the story in Ferguson? [23:26]
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bounce on that note, consider kit that runs embedded linux (and bash) yet the vendor requires a (naturally expensive) support contract for things like access to the manuals and to updates. plenty of that stuff just won't get updated. [23:32]
ben_vulpes every wifi paywall ever [23:33]
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mats_cd03 not if Google gets its way [23:54]
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