Forum logs for 26 Jan 2016

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

TomServo	66f81f6da997109f4d34ca654d30e24cb850fa87a6fbe6a045c6cb1a9f6d47d979fb4e25a0bbb35064c1259cda3c7b5ff12f68d9c22c1acf45299dbb4ed72317 db.cpp	[00:02]
TomServo	How would I end up with an old one?	[00:02]
mod6	not sure. we haven't seen this problem yet.	[00:03]
mod6	I don't suppose you logged your build process?	[00:04]
TomServo	Unfortunately not.	[00:04]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo dollars to donuts you'll end up importing searle,	[00:05]
mod6	Aside from further diag. I think the best bet is to probably just start over. One way to log the entire build process (this goes for everyone) is to use `script`. This command, `script`, will start logging everything in the terminal ,and when finished, just type `exit` and all of the screen output will be saved in a file in the pwd called 'typescript'.	[00:05]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: It's possible.	[00:05]
mircea_popescu	then next thing you'll know you'll be putting out stuff like "the spread of [redacted] is perhaps the best known example of a silly but noncatastrophic phenomenon." and so on.	[00:05]
TomServo	I think I've cause problems before with this old build before (deb squeeze).	[00:05]
mircea_popescu	willy nilly all this idocy traces back to usians reading lacan and perhaps some saussure in the 60s and not understanding anything of it.	[00:06]
TomServo	mod6: Will do. Thanks.	[00:06]
mod6	No problem! Good luck.	[00:06]
mod6	Certainly start with a clean env.	[00:06]
mod6	That'll ensure that nothing is coming in at a forty-five degree angle and hosing the build.	[00:06]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Well gotta make it that far to find out.	[00:08]
mod6	TomServo: one last qq: When did you create this build?	[00:08]
mod6	Was it within the last 24 hours?	[00:08]
TomServo	mod6: Within the last 2 weeks.	[00:10]
mod6	ah, ok.	[00:10]
mod6	anyway, let us know how it goes.	[00:10]
TomServo	Of course.	[00:10]
mod6	Salud.	[00:11]
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ben_vulpes	https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10971190	[00:36]
assbot	But Rails Culture is to make developers smile!	[00:36]
ben_vulpes	https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10971190 << also lulzy thread	[00:38]
assbot	But Rails Culture is to make developers smile!	[00:38]
ben_vulpes	https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10970694 << scuze	[00:38]
assbot	That's still broken. They've just pushed the problem deeper. Now instead of havi... \| Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1POAGE0 )	[00:38]
asciilifeform	what even	[00:39]
mircea_popescu	" My intuition is that this might even require fewer attempts than the original comparison assuming a reasonable password length, but I haven't done the math." << he's right actually.	[00:42]
mircea_popescu	ruby fixed its hashing by breaking it moar.	[00:43]
ben_vulpes	it's not RUBY it's RAILS	[00:43]
ben_vulpes	GOD	[00:43]
ben_vulpes	(although who uses one without the other i do not know)	[00:43]
*	mircea_popescu is not versed enough in this to know the difference.	[00:44]
mircea_popescu	my dictionary has two r entries : r and rubyrails.	[00:44]
asciilifeform	what, no REBOL ?!!	[00:44]
mircea_popescu	no rebol.	[00:45]
mircea_popescu	http://www.rebol.com/what-rebol.html << two paragraphs in and i'm queasy.	[00:46]
assbot	What is REBOL? ... ( http://bit.ly/1Phegio )	[00:46]
mircea_popescu	is this thing fucking stupid ?	[00:46]
asciilifeform	aaaand don't forget Refal!	[00:46]
asciilifeform	the soviet lisp.	[00:46]
asciilifeform	!s refal	[00:47]
assbot	8 results for 'refal' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=refal	[00:47]
mircea_popescu	i don';t think you understand how mp works.	[00:47]
mircea_popescu	the main thing i do is forget.	[00:47]
mircea_popescu	that's my principal professional skill.	[00:47]
asciilifeform	hey what do you think ~i~ do	[00:47]
asciilifeform	any accumulator that doesn't principally occupy itself with ~forgetting~ rapidly collapses into a singularity of shitmass.	[00:48]
-AdrianG-	what do you think of edward bernays?	[00:52]
mircea_popescu	!up AdrianG	[00:52]
-assbot-	You voiced AdrianG for 30 minutes.	[00:52]
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AdrianG	hi thx.	[00:52]
mircea_popescu	!gettrust assbot AdrianG	[00:53]
assbot	Trust relationship from user assbot to user AdrianG: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. \| http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=AdrianG \| http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/AdrianG/	[00:53]
AdrianG	what do you think of edward bernays, mircea_popescu ?	[00:53]
mircea_popescu	you know you can voice yourself. just say !up to assbot in pm	[00:53]
mircea_popescu	!s edward bernays	[00:53]
assbot	0 results for 'edward bernays' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=+edward+bernays	[00:53]
AdrianG	oh. i didnt know. i thought somebody has to approve me.	[00:53]
mircea_popescu	apparently nothing.	[00:53]
AdrianG	thx whoever that was.	[00:53]
AdrianG	mircea_popescu: i thought you'd know a bit about him at lesat.	[00:53]
AdrianG	bernays was quite a character.	[00:54]
trinque	!s !rate AdrianG	[00:54]
assbot	0 results for '!rate AdrianG' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=%21rate+AdrianG	[00:54]
mircea_popescu	isn't he yet another marx/ziggler/barnum/whatever ?	[00:54]
AdrianG	he is the father of 'spin', or propaganda, but on industrial scale.	[00:54]
BingoBoingo	any accumulator that doesn't principally occupy itself with ~forgetting~ rapidly collapses into a singularity of shitmass. << This has been the greatest challenge of sober living so far.	[00:54]
BingoBoingo	Booze is a great forgetting aid	[00:55]
AdrianG	bacon and eggs for breakfast, fluoride in water, smoking is good for you and liberates women etc	[00:55]
AdrianG	his legacy is in almost every aspect of our lives today.	[00:55]
mircea_popescu	AdrianG i think you're greatly overestimating some 1920s rando.	[00:56]
AdrianG	mircea_popescu: he's not a rando	[00:56]
trinque	this notion that there was a particular father of propaganda is pretty rich	[00:57]
thestringpuller	;;ud rando	[00:57]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rando \| rando. That which is random. Generally used in reference to people. I thought this party was invitation only...what the hell are all these randos doing here?	[00:57]
AdrianG	sure, it was a long time ago, but he is the one who put propaganda on proper industrial scale.	[00:57]
mircea_popescu	AdrianG as seen where ?	[00:58]
trinque	I am going to guess the documentary Century of the Self	[00:58]
mircea_popescu	"Quick Facts We rebel against the idea that modern software must be large and complex." << "we also rebel against the concept of a fact and sane prosody.	[00:58]
asciilifeform	where	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	what sort of mental disorder must float about in the head of someone confusing phenomena and facts. even leaving aside that "what we do" is usually poorl self-perceived.	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform quote above.	[01:00]
asciilifeform	yes but from where	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	"we rebel" can't be a fucking fact. IN PRINCIPLE.	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	link slightly above-er, rebol.com	[01:00]
asciilifeform	ah	[01:00]
AdrianG	mircea_popescu: as seen where?	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	AdrianG yes, how does a third party independently established your guy put propaganda on proper industrial scale.	[01:01]
mircea_popescu	a feat usually credited to a certain reich minister.	[01:01]
AdrianG	oh, hehe goebbels.	[01:02]
asciilifeform	poor bernays, all of his atrocities are credited to w. r. hearst, usually	[01:02]
AdrianG	nazis had a different goal.	[01:02]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform at least hearst wasn't annoying AND poor.	[01:02]
mircea_popescu	what's the other derp, more recent	[01:03]
mircea_popescu	ogilvy	[01:03]
asciilifeform	orwell's ogilvy ?!	[01:04]
mircea_popescu	no, david.	[01:04]
AdrianG	nice.	[01:04]
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asciilifeform	the question of 'who was the first to put ' propaganda, semiconductor, coprophagia, etc. 'on a scientific footing' is interesting but not resolvable.	[01:06]
AdrianG	its highly subjective of course.	[01:06]
AdrianG	the process is gradual and particular points will depend on the formulation of you definition.	[01:07]
asciilifeform	e.g., otto lilienfeld drew the transistor, in agonizing detail, and even a more interesting type than actually produced (cupric oxide!) - but - as far as anyone knows - never built one	[01:07]
asciilifeform	maxwell described all of the equations which govern radio but never built one, did not give the slightest fuck	[01:08]
asciilifeform	etc.	[01:08]
asciilifeform	(m was only interested in light!)	[01:08]
mircea_popescu	AdrianG nevertheless, what exactly led you to your stated conclusion ?	[01:08]
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AdrianG	mircea_popescu: he was first to use psychoanalysis of some sort, and with great success.	[01:10]
mircea_popescu	http://40.media.tumblr.com/1e23b93cb8d5bbc196df8013731f76d6/tumblr_mvdjhhfIcF1rv2vl4o1_1280.jpg << putting bedroom heating on industrial footing.	[01:10]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1PyljPE )	[01:10]
AdrianG	and now we have thousands of psychology PhDs/psychiatrists working untold hours to make facebook feel more like crack.	[01:10]
mircea_popescu	AdrianG the thesis was "he is the one who put propaganda on proper industrial scale"	[01:10]
AdrianG	mircea_popescu: you need scientific foundation to put something on industrial scale. which he did. and with great success = thus scale.	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	don't flatter yourself, nobody gives a flying fuck what fb feels like to the cows.	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	it mostly hires lawyers and businbess majors.	[01:11]
AdrianG	why flatter myself? i have nothing to do witht the field.	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	which field ?	[01:11]
AdrianG	why would I flatter myself?	[01:11]
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mircea_popescu	i have no idea.	[01:14]
mircea_popescu	but for the record, fb employs something like 10k people. didja know this when you proposed the "thousands of phds" theory ?	[01:15]
AdrianG	never heard of hyperbole?	[01:15]
AdrianG	asciilifeform: what made you think maxwell was only interested in light? he said so himself somewhere?	[01:15]
mircea_popescu	i did hear of hyperbole. sadly there's a disease running around among the social-mediated youth, which has little to do with the stylistical choice and everything to do with lazy thinking.	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	i guess either 9gag or cracked put that particular brain rot on "industrial footing", depending on whether we credit alf's symbolic supremacy or not.	[01:17]
mircea_popescu	(but really, the kids were lazy long before either of these hot-topic'd the matter)	[01:17]
mircea_popescu	and in other news, http://45.media.tumblr.com/ae9557f2dc6127fb5b466524d9c5fade/tumblr_mpmj7j8xG61rjqog4o1_400.gif	[01:18]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1PylFFO )	[01:19]
AdrianG	heh	[01:19]
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BingoBoingo	!up AdrianG For the record Dickens first perfected "Industrial" propaganda	[02:28]
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mircea_popescu	;;nethash	[03:22]
gribble	966885232.624	[03:22]
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ben_vulpes	do y'all have "mandatory reporters" in yurp and misc. other "civilized nayshuns"?	[03:34]
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mircea_popescu	da wut ?!	[03:38]
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BingoBoingo	From the mines: "There are some issues being filed concerning database corruptions in bitcoin core. Although the problem hasn't been pinpointed to LevelDB, the long-term plan is still to switch to a new, well maintained database." << A Hearnia continues	[04:09]
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ben_vulpes	"People complained recently that we wrote some shitty software. Statement self-declared to be irrelevant to the accusations, hey look a shiny!"	[04:49]
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gribble	Current Blocks: 395124 \| Current Difficulty: 1.1335429980147113E11 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 395135 \| Next Difficulty In: 11 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 1 hour, 37 minutes, and 46 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: None \| Estimated Percent Change: None	[07:22]
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BingoBoingo	http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com%2Fnews%2Fcanada%2Fb-c-aboriginal-scholar-wins-bid-for-rights-hearing-after-shes-denied-tenure-in-part-over-lack-of-research	[07:57]
assbot	Law professor argues in UBC human rights complaint that Indigenous scholars shouldn’t have to publish peer-reviewed research ... ( http://bit.ly/1PhDGN0 )	[07:57]
BingoBoingo	"McCue has alleged that peer-reviewed research is contrary to indigenous oral traditions and that UBC’s research standard effectively discriminated against her “race, colour, ancestry, place of origin … and sex.” "	[07:57]
punkman	"Lorna June McCue was denied tenure and ultimately dismissed after 11 years at the university in part because of her failure to submit a single piece of peer-reviewed research during that time. "	[08:16]
punkman	could she have picked a weaker argument?	[08:16]
BingoBoingo	But Oral Tradition	[08:17]
punkman	why do all professors need to publish anyway, can't one just teach?	[08:17]
BingoBoingo	That would be a Lecturer	[08:17]
BingoBoingo	Or a teacher.	[08:17]
BingoBoingo	Not a Professor	[08:17]
punkman	http://i.imgur.com/K7wOp2e.jpg	[08:31]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1lNAZa0 )	[08:31]
BingoBoingo	;;bc,stats	[08:36]
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BingoBoingo	lol punkman	[08:37]
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gribble	Next Price Estimate: 433.114 \| Next Price In About 2 days, 21 hours, 29 minutes, and 54 seconds	[08:50]
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gribble	Next Price Estimate: 314.992 \| Next Price In About 3 days, 1 hour, 58 minutes, and 14 seconds \| It's tanking!	[08:50]
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BingoBoingo	http://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2016/01/25/so-what-exactly-is-scr7	[08:58]
assbot	So What Exactly is SCR7? \| In the Pipeline ... ( http://bit.ly/1K854MQ )	[08:58]
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punkman	http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-35350886	[09:11]
assbot	Are beards good for your health? - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZPPtDJ )	[09:11]
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deedbot-	[Qntra] Bitcoin Network Difficulty Rises 5.89% - http://qntra.net/2016/01/bitcoin-network-difficulty-rises-5-89/	[09:33]
punkman	http://meritcapitalism.com/	[09:33]
assbot	Merit Capitalism: Stop rich people from buying our politics. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZPRJea )	[09:33]
BingoBoingo	;;later tell adlai Sorry, too late for this diff period.	[09:33]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[09:33]
BingoBoingo	I was actually awake for one of these for a change	[09:34]
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asciilifeform	http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-35409119	[10:03]
assbot	AI pioneer Marvin Minsky dies aged 88 - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1OMp9ak )	[10:03]
asciilifeform	'But, in one of his last interviews, with MIT Technology Review last year, Prof Minsky said there had been "very little growth in artificial intelligence" in the past decade, adding current work had been "mostly attempting to improve systems that aren't very good and haven't improved much in two decades". By contrast, he said, "the 1950s and 1960s were wonderful - something new every week". And he hinted he was against large t	[10:03]
asciilifeform	echnology companies such as Google and Facebook getting involved the field of AI. "We have to get rid of the big companies and go back to giving support to individuals who have new ideas because attempting to commercialise existing things hasn't worked very well," he said.'	[10:03]
asciilifeform	(inventor of neural network and cofounder of ai lab with j. mccarthy, for n00bz)	[10:04]
asciilifeform	he was the last remaining anybody who was somebody of that period, afaik.	[10:04]
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BingoBoingo	If you've got time to write it up, I'd have time to publish it.	[10:10]
BingoBoingo	https://archive.is/jdzwD	[10:10]
assbot	Why are black Americans less affected by the opioid epidemic? Racism, probably. - Vox ... ( http://bit.ly/1RKKzsb )	[10:10]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: unfortunately i haven't any time.	[10:10]
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asciilifeform	go ahead and do it if you feel like it.	[10:10]
BingoBoingo	I figured. I lack the background.	[10:10]
BingoBoingo	Maybe phf?	[10:10]
asciilifeform	the bbc article, surprisingly, has the facts.	[10:11]
BingoBoingo	But big black cock is a poor medium for obituaries of great people	[10:14]
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BingoBoingo	!up kefkius	[10:19]
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jurov	https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2016/01/25/politicians-are-so-predictable-a-robot-can-literally-write-their-speeches/	[10:40]
assbot	Politicians are so predictable, a robot can literally write their speeches - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1OMuCy6 )	[10:40]
jurov	^ another idea for stego corpus	[10:40]
jurov	"For example, I mean probably all of us have had a mom or a grandmom or an uncle to whom we say, hey, I noticed your legs are swelling again. Fluid retention. Fluid retention."	[10:41]
jurov	Fluid. pounds on the pulpit Retention.	[10:41]
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BingoBoingo	So, Federal reserve open market committee meets today. QE4? QE 4ever?	[11:53]
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BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all	[12:04]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 391.21, vol: 7670.92802261 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 395.2, vol: 5623.27465 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 390.89, vol: 21162.60207079 \| CampBX BTCUSD last: 370.0, vol: 1.0 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 393.21184, vol: 43649.86990000 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 394.83726, vol: 579.10188788 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 397.5711, vol: 21.98767709 \| Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)	[12:04]
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thestringpuller	I thought there is always QE	[12:21]
BingoBoingo	4real	[12:22]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform it occurs to me that the actually correct way to indent your inline else is if else	[12:23]
mircea_popescu	and in re http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1385911 let's quote from the very pravda :	[12:24]
mircea_popescu	Following a campaign by 100 advocacy groups, Facebook agreed to update its policy on hate speech. The campaign highlighted content promoting domestic and sexual violence against women, and used over 57,000 tweets and more than 4,900 emails that caused withdrawal of advertising from the site by 15 companies, including Nissan UK, House of Burlesque and Nationwide UK. The social media website initially responded by statin	[12:24]
mircea_popescu	g that "while it may be vulgar and offensive, distasteful content on its own does not violate our policies".[84] It decided to take action on May 29, 2013, after it "become clear that our systems to identify and remove hate speech have failed to work as effectively as we would like, particularly around issues of gender-based hate."[85]	[12:24]
assbot	Logged on 26-01-2016 04:08:33; AdrianG: and now we have thousands of psychology PhDs/psychiatrists working untold hours to make facebook feel more like crack.	[12:24]
mircea_popescu	what we learn here, other than a) nobody gives a shit about the inept campaings of the hundreds upon endless thousands of "activists" (as you recall from http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-01-2016#1366968 this is !=== "educator"), and especially not the advertisers	[12:26]
assbot	Logged on 11-01-2016 19:05:15; mircea_popescu: BUT if the symbol "activist" ran into any trouble... there's a newly minted "educator" symbol to the rescue.	[12:26]
mircea_popescu	b) the derps in question thesmelves however are VERY careful as to how they state the nonsense. it's important that even through the usual muck of pravda it comes through ~how much they worked~ and how ~they vanquished an uncaring, cruel, cold world~, the two pillars of... well basically of socialist realist movies of the 60s.	[12:27]
mircea_popescu	apparently those actually eventually paid off, who knew a whole generation of idle retards was going to be educated by them. hollywood raped moscow just as mosfilm raped san mateo.	[12:27]
mircea_popescu	and finally c) that facebook, just like every other usg corporation, tends to outsource all its workload TO UNPAID THIRD PARTIES.	[12:28]
mircea_popescu	~you~ "gotta" pay an accountant to keep IRS' files in order. wouldn't it be logical if THEY had to come to you with a "here's how much we think you owe and if we're wriong we'll goi do the math again" ? who's the sovereign here ?	[12:29]
mircea_popescu	and similarly you gotta do the phd'ing for facebook, so they figure out whether it's more productive for their goals to include or to exclude strings matching $pattern.	[12:29]
thestringpuller	people still use facebook?	[12:31]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller the corp is allegedly worth 150bn while allegedly 1bn users log in daily.	[12:31]
mircea_popescu	so it's somehow managed to get wallstreet ot pay ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS per active user.	[12:32]
mircea_popescu	if only they were doing this back in the day when usg's own corp didn't exist, america'd have looked a lot different.	[12:32]
mircea_popescu	o wait... usg's own ws didn't exist then yet either huh. a well.	[12:32]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile the lifetime economic value per active fb user is MAYBE a cent. doubtfully so.	[12:33]
mircea_popescu	leaving behind a ~150 bn crater in imaginary "wealth" that "could have bought russia" to be accounted for, somehow.	[12:33]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile... everyone's "pensions" bwahahaha are invested in facebook(s). your daddy had not only a better house, not only better shoes, but also a retirement full of alcoa and shell. what a sucker, that dood.	[12:34]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1385945 << and they still can't come out and fucking say it.	[12:38]
assbot	Logged on 26-01-2016 07:07:34; BingoBoingo: From the mines: "There are some issues being filed concerning database corruptions in bitcoin core. Although the problem hasn't been pinpointed to LevelDB, the long-term plan is still to switch to a new, well maintained database." << A Hearnia continues	[12:38]
thestringpuller	Well digital marketing is a dying field, Facebook tried to pull the "Google route" which helped boost their shareholder confidence but as a long term monetization policy it will fail.	[12:38]
mircea_popescu	"we're narrowly intelligent but broadly speaking stupid, we were raped for our ineptitude by some nobody that mp trampled underfoot without even particularly noticing. really - go use TRB, we'll just follow along quietly to try and learn something"	[12:39]
thestringpuller	or rather it's not worth 150bn dollars, (unless 150bn is worth a lot less than teh so-called fed tells us)	[12:39]
mircea_popescu	is that so hard ?	[12:39]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller it's not worth 150bn even if a loaf of bread were 1k.	[12:39]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: The truly lulzy part is the blame is going to Windows antiviruses for deleting arbitrary files from PRB bitcoin databases.	[12:39]
mircea_popescu	derp.	[12:39]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1385964 <<< aahahahahahaha.	[12:40]
assbot	Logged on 26-01-2016 10:54:57; assbot: Law professor argues in UBC human rights complaint that Indigenous scholars shouldn’t have to publish peer-reviewed research ... ( http://bit.ly/1PhDGN0 )	[12:40]
mircea_popescu	dude, i tell you truly - i fucking hate argentina, these people are as dumb as the delicious cows they raise. nevertheless, sitting here atop a grassy knoll, chowing exceptional beef and homemade apple pies and watching rome burn is a delight for which i am ever thankful.	[12:41]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: this is same phenomenon that has rested on Bitpay, guess goes back to notion of "problem of too much money". When talking with Pierre, he told me "they could probably run the company with two people and have the same amount of business." But the leadership has ADHD.	[12:41]
mircea_popescu	nobody can take this from you, you know ? "i got to fine dine while watching idiots burn. TWICE."	[12:41]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: Same ineptitude that has cause the parent company of my uranium mine (VMWware) to instantiate 900 layoffs to maintain "normal growth". (Althogh EMC is a terrible terrible company overall).	[12:42]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller myeah. they don't think properly, ie "hey, mp isn't paying for nascar car, clearly stupid idea" but instead "oh, let's do random $idiocy, we'll be so much better than mp". makes sense, if you're retarded.	[12:42]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller ahaha you work for vmware ?	[12:42]
punkman	wasn't EMC looking to sell itself?	[12:43]
mircea_popescu	iirc.	[12:43]
mircea_popescu	and wasn't getting much in the way of bids, either.	[12:43]
punkman	to Dell, huh	[12:43]
mircea_popescu	apparently 1bn active fb users are worth more than 10k active office workers.	[12:43]
mircea_popescu	no idea how they figure that one, you can't get a fb account to show up to your office irl./	[12:43]
mircea_popescu	actually, we can do this math. EMC employs 50k mostly indians, and is valued at 25bn.	[12:45]
mircea_popescu	thus therefore,	[12:45]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 150 * 109 / 25 / 5 / 10 4	[12:45]
gribble	120000	[12:45]
mircea_popescu	takes 120`000 fb accounts to make one it employee.	[12:46]
mircea_popescu	one gram of flesh per FB account, this is almost farmable.	[12:46]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1385967 << actually, upon review, it's a very strong argument.	[12:48]
assbot	Logged on 26-01-2016 11:14:40; punkman: could she have picked a weaker argument?	[12:48]
thestringpuller	yea many whales are pulling out of vmware like a slut, killing the stock. So Dell just wants to acquire it for cheap. pump then dump the thing.	[12:49]
mircea_popescu	woman is making a fucking stand against publish or perish ? go her.	[12:49]
punkman	sure, but oral tradition?	[12:49]
BingoBoingo	Well, still hard to do that on publish nothing	[12:49]
BingoBoingo	Could publish peer reviewed tapes	[12:49]
punkman	http://www.webofstories.com/play/marvin.minsky/151	[12:50]
assbot	Marvin Minsky - Scientist - 'I want an anti-fad fad' - Web of Stories ... ( http://bit.ly/1RL2i2S )	[12:50]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: yea I work for VMWare under the "AirWatch" brand. The leadership is so confused. It's like kindergarteners being in charge of billions of dollars.	[12:50]
mircea_popescu	punkman what do i do if not oral tradition ?	[12:50]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller wassat airwatch ?	[12:50]
mircea_popescu	Could publish peer reviewed tapes << except peers won't review tapes. because it's inept. oral tradition is unlike the written tradition in a fundamental way : it rejects the ~separation~ of knowledge and power. that sound familiar ?	[12:51]
mircea_popescu	that separation discussion with asciilifeform is going to haunt us forever, for it's fucking fundamental.	[12:52]
BingoBoingo	lol, University's desired peers are discriminatory!	[12:52]
mircea_popescu	they HAVE TO be.	[12:53]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33350 @ 0.00054893 = 18.3068 BTC [-] {3}	[12:53]
mircea_popescu	see, their driver is, "i don't have time to watch this dumb indian's videos". which is legit, they don't have time.	[12:53]
mircea_popescu	but the notion of time in this particular manner IS oppressive. just ask alf.	[12:53]
BingoBoingo	Indeed, but fuck Canada. It's time for their universities to make all bums peers to the faculty.	[12:53]
BingoBoingo	Time is the MOST oppressive thing.	[12:54]
mircea_popescu	"nobody in this lab has discovered anything the past decade so now we're putting everyone on arbitrary counters!"	[12:54]
BingoBoingo	More than money	[12:54]
mircea_popescu	is that going to help ?	[12:54]
mircea_popescu	"i give myself until 7 pm to fall in love then i'm just getting drunk" or what ?	[12:54]
BingoBoingo	Help toss kerosene on this tire fire.	[12:54]
BingoBoingo	There's people who have lots of time they can spend nothing, and other people for whom managing time is as critical an optimization problem as their budget/hodl	[12:55]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo the "every" thing is not part of the argument as presented tho. how about "give it to just McCue". "i want it too" "get in the wot"	[12:55]
mircea_popescu	same argument innit ?	[12:55]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: Mobile Device Management. (A dying field that boomed like social networks!!!!11). I just want to work for a useful uranium mine.	[12:56]
mircea_popescu	managing time in this sense is only a consideration for assembly line workers.	[12:56]
mircea_popescu	and yes the university is assembly line for phds.	[12:56]
mircea_popescu	and yes we're nowhere near ready to be happy with the results of unseating the ONLY english contribution to the western civilisation.	[12:56]
mircea_popescu	nevertheless... argument can be brought.	[12:56]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller ic.	[12:57]
BingoBoingo	Ah, It's getting late. Second bolus of coffee is taking its time to work.	[12:57]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1385990 << is that yours or ?	[12:58]
assbot	Logged on 26-01-2016 12:31:33; punkman: http://meritcapitalism.com/	[12:58]
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punkman	no wai	[13:01]
mircea_popescu	"we da people who are poor fundamentally misunderstand what money is and wish to fix it". mkay.	[13:02]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1386014 << this would be because a robot actually does write the speeches. iirc we laughed at the company in question here even.	[13:03]
assbot	Logged on 26-01-2016 13:38:36; assbot: Politicians are so predictable, a robot can literally write their speeches - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1OMuCy6 )	[13:03]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo no QE, facebook deflates back to it's ~20mn actual value.	[13:04]
mircea_popescu	none of the "industrial blue chips" do anythning anymore, so you'd be left with a stock market the size of bulgaria's.	[13:04]
mircea_popescu	that this would be quite apt is not terribly material to 'em.	[13:04]
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mircea_popescu	wow minsky died	[13:06]
BingoBoingo	Who ever wants to qntra if since alf passed on it can submit. phf?	[13:06]
mircea_popescu	"Some experts have said the field of artificial intelligence is currently experiencing something of a golden age, with deep-learning neural networks making advances in both speech and image recognition." << well, more like a qe age.	[13:07]
mircea_popescu	mkay, enoug of that. off to http://45.media.tumblr.com/98c7860c44d009edfba6aaf97f6a1fe0/tumblr_n1xo8ngPn71szbq7eo1_400.gif	[13:08]
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thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: LOL Trace Mayer is critiquing your accounting. "MPEx needs a balance sheet cause I don't understand zero-asset corporations"	[13:16]
pete_dushenski	heh. no one noticed a recent footnote in a recent contravex that mentioned tom cruise in "the day after tomorrow" instead of "the edge of tomorrow". clearly, i need to become more popular with the action movie kidz	[13:17]
pete_dushenski	thestringpuller: where's this ? twatter ?	[13:17]
thestringpuller	pete_dushenski: slack. i'll post logs later	[13:18]
pete_dushenski	"a country with a per capita income that is 100% higher than another receives 130% more business travelers and sends 170% more people abroad. This means that business travel tends to grow more than proportionally with the level of development." << or maybe it just means that your 'per capita' bullshit is literally a mean metric of no practical value, just like the "people" it purports to measure.	[13:19]
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PeterL	would also depend on distribution of income	[13:22]
pete_dushenski	quite so, but don't let that get in the way of "the economist"'s story !	[13:22]
PeterL	a country where everybody makes minimum wage would not send anybody abroad, a country with a few rich people would send them travelling	[13:22]
pete_dushenski	"More populous countries have more business travel in both directions, but the volume is less than proportional to their population: a country with 100% more population than another has only about 70% more business travel. This suggests that there are economies of scale in running businesses that favor large countries." << moar derps != more business. but impossibru !!1	[13:22]
pete_dushenski	this obviously has less to do with economies of scale and more to do with quantity not being equal to quality.	[13:24]
pete_dushenski	but hey, that's racist and undemocratic	[13:24]
PeterL	do they address correlation vs causation?	[13:24]
thestringpuller	pete_dushenski: http://dpaste.com/0JEHTXD.txt	[13:24]
thestringpuller	basically trace mayer states, MPEx is "doing it wrong"	[13:25]
thestringpuller	Dude reminds me of Dr. Foreskin a bit.	[13:25]
pete_dushenski	"Ricardo Hausmann, a former minister of planning of Venezuela and former Chief Economist of the Inter-American Development Bank, is Professor of the Practice of Economic Development at Harvard University, where he is also Director of the Center for International Development. He is Chair of the World Economic Forum's Global Agenda Meta-Council on Inclusive Growth." << peterl you think this guy's worried about tec	[13:25]
pete_dushenski	hnicalities like correlation and causation ?	[13:25]
PeterL	prolly not	[13:26]
pete_dushenski	hausmann has a story to tell about how and why poor countries suck, and it's not because they're untrained monkeys, it's because they need more phree airplanes or some shit	[13:27]
pete_dushenski	thestringpuller: /me reads	[13:27]
pete_dushenski	ya, trace is being willfully ignorant. what else is new.	[13:30]
pete_dushenski	if he wasn't, he'd be here.	[13:30]
pete_dushenski	since he's not in the wot, what choice does he have but to pretend like there are no monsters under the bed	[13:30]
thestringpuller	i found it odd he wanted mpex to produce balance sheets to see "cashflow" when he could just add up the dividends and know total profit distributed over the company's lifetime	[13:31]
thestringpuller	oh wait mike_c already did that	[13:31]
pete_dushenski	"Interestingly, countries in the developing world differ substantially in the amount of know-how they receive through business travel. For example, countries such as South Africa, Bulgaria, Morocco, and Mauritius receive much more know-how than countries at similar levels of development such as Peru, Colombia, Chile, Indonesia, or Sri Lanka." << probably time to reassess what "development levels" mean then eh.	[13:33]
pete_dushenski	via https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/why-travel-for-business-by-ricardo-hausmann-2016-01	[13:33]
assbot	Should Business Travel Be Obsolete? by Ricardo Hausmann - Project Syndicate ... ( http://bit.ly/1RL9dZR )	[13:33]
PeterL	"these countries are the same level because I said so, data does not matter"	[13:34]
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mod6	!up ascii_butugychag	[13:40]
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mod6	how goes it asciilifeform	[13:41]
ascii_butugychag	2+hr in wheeled coffin	[13:42]
ascii_butugychag	(which had to be dug out ~twice~, 2nd time after bulldozer reburied it)	[13:42]
ascii_butugychag	but this is not interesting so much.	[13:42]
PeterL	it boggles my mind how much time you spend commuting, you sure it would not be easier to move closer to $job?	[13:43]
mod6	you got stuck in the snow 2x this morning?	[13:43]
ascii_butugychag	mod6: aha	[13:44]
mod6	sorry, that sucks. :/	[13:44]
ascii_butugychag	PeterL: pretty much impossible	[13:44]
mod6	don't they let you work from home when there is a blizzard?	[13:44]
ascii_butugychag	PeterL: constraints - i insist on living in a house, i insist on renting it, and i refuse to pay over half my wage for it	[13:45]
ascii_butugychag	mod6: only when the snow is falling or at least fresh	[13:45]
mod6	huh.heesh.	[13:46]
mod6	bah. "huh. sheesh"	[13:47]
mod6	my terminal got all hosed up there for a sec.	[13:47]
mod6	anyway, well at least you made it there.	[13:48]
ascii_butugychag	interestingly i appear to be the only one at $firm with any sort of serious commute	[13:51]
ascii_butugychag	(everybody else lives in $4-5k 'garçonnières' nearby)	[13:52]
pete_dushenski	"bah. "huh. sheesh"" << baksheesh !	[13:52]
PeterL	does everybody else get paid more than you?	[13:52]
ascii_butugychag	pete_dushenski: i genuinely have no idea	[13:52]
PeterL	and is that $4-5k per month?	[13:53]
ascii_butugychag	pete_dushenski: where i live it is the ultimate taboo, to even hint at asking	[13:53]
ascii_butugychag	may as well take off your pants and shit right on the table	[13:53]
mod6	i kinda wanna buy you this: http://www.resortboneyard.com/i/1993-bombardier-prinoth-br400-plus/60040	[13:53]
ascii_butugychag	but based on various clues, nobody is getting outlandishly rich	[13:53]
assbot	1993 Bombardier Prinoth BR400 Plus : Resort Boneyard ... ( http://bit.ly/1RLdPio )	[13:54]
ascii_butugychag	mod6: that thing is worth more than my organs	[13:54]
mircea_popescu	mircea_popescu: LOL Trace Mayer is critiquing << i have no idea who that is, but zhe'd better get with the program because i don't see a future for whatever wot she's in.	[13:54]
pete_dushenski	ascii_butugychag: i think you meant PeterL...	[13:54]
ascii_butugychag	ah yes	[13:55]
pete_dushenski	mod6: lel. i'd drive that to work	[13:55]
mod6	it's over in OR, i'll have ben drive it over to yah :D	[13:55]
mircea_popescu	hausmann has a story to tell about how and why poor countries suck, and it's not because they're untrained monkeys, it's because they need more phree airplanes or some shit <<< venezuela is what happened after a gaddafi died of natural causes. yes the usg 5th column's unhappy that it has not yet been invited to save venezuela, they were predicting $$$ years ago.	[13:56]
pete_dushenski	trace mayer was behind armory, neh ?	[13:56]
*	mircea_popescu shrugs	[13:56]
pete_dushenski	https://www.linkedin.com/in/tracemayer << looks ~identical~ to pedo-'core' dood from mighty ducks	[13:56]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1RLebpt )	[13:56]
ascii_butugychag	brockchain!11	[13:57]
pete_dushenski	^	[13:57]
mircea_popescu	i tohught that was called a prince albert. it's brockchain now ?	[13:58]
ascii_butugychag	in honour of.	[13:58]
pete_dushenski	http://community.tribalectic.com/files/imagecache/display/files/experience_image/Picture%20166.jpg << oof.	[13:59]
mircea_popescu	mod6: that thing is worth more than my organs << typical alf. has collection of organs, complains about life.	[13:59]
mircea_popescu	we don't even have a single harmonica per capita over here yo!	[13:59]
mircea_popescu	damned capitalists.	[13:59]
ascii_butugychag	l0l i think that's knuth, no me	[13:59]
ascii_butugychag	*not	[13:59]
mircea_popescu	in other news, names like "trace mayer" SHOULD be obsolete.	[14:00]
mircea_popescu	get a fucking human name why don't you. what is this mug costanza and rifling jones bs.	[14:00]
ascii_butugychag	incidentally afaik knuth is the last living among the folks-who-made-usa-worth-not-glassing	[14:00]
mircea_popescu	unless of course there's some King Trace in the glorious history of that great nation of africa that i'm unfamiliar with.	[14:01]
ascii_butugychag	hey if we had a joe stack	[14:01]
ascii_butugychag	why not king trace.	[14:01]
ascii_butugychag	(is there a, e.g., henry heap?)	[14:02]
mircea_popescu	joe is fine.	[14:02]
mircea_popescu	trace, wtf is that.	[14:02]
ascii_butugychag	nfi	[14:02]
mircea_popescu	at least I HAVE A DAMNED GOOD REASON or twenty to make the zeroconf accounting rules.	[14:02]
mircea_popescu	what the fuck reason did mrs mayer have to eschew calling her boy rachel or whatever the fuck they do in her tribe.	[14:02]
PeterL	what kind of funny name is "Mircea"?	[14:02]
mircea_popescu	PeterL ah, but in the god forsaken country of romania, there's a bunch of kings called that.	[14:03]
ascii_butugychag	i imagine that if the modern shitworld somehow survived for another few centuries, there would be programmer names the way we currently have smith names	[14:03]
PeterL	so you can only name people after kings?	[14:03]
ascii_butugychag	e.g., smith, кузнецов, етц	[14:03]
mircea_popescu	ascii_butugychag i'm not fucking anything called "zero hacker" i'll tell you that.	[14:03]
ascii_butugychag	етц	[14:03]
ascii_butugychag	etc	[14:03]
ascii_butugychag	l0l	[14:03]
mircea_popescu	PeterL yes. you may only name kids after famous dead people.	[14:03]
mircea_popescu	either kings or saints. pick.	[14:03]
*	ascii_butugychag cleans rus/lat key	[14:03]
PeterL	how about family members?	[14:03]
mircea_popescu	ascii_butugychag ftr it's etk not ettz	[14:04]
mircea_popescu	PeterL well familty members were named through the same process, so...	[14:04]
PeterL	Ok, then am I allowed to name my kid after my 19th century ancestor Heman?	[14:05]
PeterL	I keep trying to do this, but for some reason my wife shot that one down	[14:05]
mircea_popescu	PeterL you do notice the subtext here, do you ?	[14:05]
ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: eagle eyes. this was an artifact of my keyboard	[14:05]
PeterL	no, I am immune to subtext	[14:05]
ascii_butugychag	(the translit system on this box maps c/ц)	[14:06]
mircea_popescu	the subtext is that random derp with no skin in the game is running his mouth.	[14:06]
PeterL	and you can tell this by his name?	[14:06]
mircea_popescu	i can tell this by constructing a humorous equivalent ot his "mpex should", except mine is both actually funny and to a much larger degree defensible.	[14:06]
pete_dushenski	"In occasione della visita del presidente iraniano Hassan Rohani in Campidoglio sono state coperte da pannelli bianchi su tutti e quattro i lati alcune statue di nudi dei Musei Capitolini. La copertura sarebbe stata decisa come forma di rispetto alla cultura e sensibilità iraniana. Tanto che durante le cerimonie istituzionali non è stato servito nemmeno il vino." << "bow to your betters!" (tm) (r)	[14:07]
mircea_popescu	NEMMENOOO IL VINOOO!!11	[14:08]
mircea_popescu	indignant talians.	[14:08]
pete_dushenski	who the fuck is rohani anyways ? charlemagne coming to save you ?	[14:08]
mircea_popescu	hey, i regularly order the slavegirls draped when friends visit	[14:09]
mircea_popescu	bwahahahaha	[14:09]
mircea_popescu	" Asking Price: $18,500" da fuck alfie, i had no idea you hold musical instruments in quite such low esteem.	[14:10]
pete_dushenski	that's what, 50 btc ?	[14:10]
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pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: you're not italian enough i guess	[14:11]
pete_dushenski	or roman catholic	[14:11]
mircea_popescu	in vaguely related news, http://49.media.tumblr.com/24ffccf8e42026dd23a3fe817d3480a2/tumblr_mpagouC7cR1rybnpco1_500.gif	[14:11]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1OW4VsB )	[14:12]
mod6	pete_dushenski: yah ~ cost of seat @ MPEx	[14:12]
pete_dushenski	and less than one year of 'bloomberg terminal' (checked this out last night, it's $24k per annum)	[14:13]
mod6	ah.	[14:13]
pete_dushenski	also discovered that 'terminal' only runs on WINBLOZE	[14:13]
*	mod6 pictures alf bashing cars out of his way as he traverses the beltway	[14:13]
mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski scandalous innit.	[14:14]
mod6	!up ascii_butugychag	[14:14]
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pete_dushenski	so they claim. maybe there's a linux workaround	[14:14]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: though 'bloomberg anywhere' works on ios and android	[14:14]
PeterL	must run winblows VM on your linux box	[14:14]
ascii_butugychag	pete_dushenski: if 'not a poorfag', can hire a reverser and make linux client.	[14:15]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: even more scandalous is that there's 300`000 dudes who post up this cash. every. year.	[14:15]
ascii_butugychag	if for some reason you need it.	[14:15]
PeterL	or get ascii_butugychag to reverse engineer something for you ;)	[14:15]
mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski it's not 300k dudes.	[14:15]
pete_dushenski	ascii_butugychag: i'll pass that along to my phriends at goldman	[14:15]
mircea_popescu	i think there's fewer people paying their own bloomberg terminal than there's people with a legitimate research interest in ai.	[14:16]
ascii_butugychag	pete_dushenski: betcha gs requires all boxes to run winblowz	[14:16]
ascii_butugychag	like the rest of usg.	[14:16]
mircea_popescu	surely.	[14:16]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: aha. 300k subscriptions...	[14:16]
*	mircea_popescu occasionally runs into midrange business derps who emit things such as "unlicensed computer"	[14:16]
mircea_popescu	cuz you know, "what if da police comes to inquire where your windows licenses are"	[14:17]
*	ascii_butugychag was the keeper of a linux cluster at a u.s. army thing and had a pile of magical spells, paperwork, etc. to keep the devils away from it	[14:17]
mircea_popescu	remarkable how this works.	[14:17]
ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: this is, or at least was, an actual thing in usa. 'spa' inspectors, demanding licenses	[14:17]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: there were radio ads in canada maybe 3 years ago threatening "$100k fine per violation if w4rez discovered on sme bizniz comps"	[14:18]
pete_dushenski	95% compliance just from threats, no need to act.	[14:18]
mircea_popescu	hey, i'm not the one living there. tell it to each other.	[14:18]
pete_dushenski	myea	[14:19]
pete_dushenski	ascii_butugychag: spa ?	[14:20]
ascii_butugychag	'software publishers association'	[14:20]
ascii_butugychag	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1386128 << holy fuck what	[14:20]
assbot	Logged on 26-01-2016 16:05:04; mircea_popescu: "Some experts have said the field of artificial intelligence is currently experiencing something of a golden age, with deep-learning neural networks making advances in both speech and image recognition." << well, more like a qe age.	[14:20]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha what.	[14:20]
ascii_butugychag	golden age?!!	[14:20]
mircea_popescu	shut up you don't understand how the world works.	[14:20]
ascii_butugychag	(there was a spiffy talk at shmoo, which mentioned how nn used in image recognition usually imprints on what - to a human - would be an entirely accidental cluster of pixels, and if you flip'em, it will recognize an obvious, e.g,. cat, as a refrigerator, etc)	[14:22]
mircea_popescu	so who the fuck cares what an "association" does. this reminds me of the faux ro animal police thing. of http://trilema.com/2012/in-atentia-igppa-autodenunt/ fame	[14:22]
assbot	In atentia I.G.P.P.A. - Autodenunt on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OW6QgZ )	[14:22]
ascii_butugychag	(somehow the conclusion that 'computers you can't program' don't belong in a security application, is lost on folks)	[14:22]
ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: it is/was (?) the software equivalent of riaa/mpaa	[14:23]
mircea_popescu	so ?	[14:23]
mircea_popescu	let them in, tie them to a steel girder, beat the shit out of them for six hours then call the cops and press charges.	[14:23]
ascii_butugychag	so, in usa ~being sued~ typically costs you your net worth + some, if you're a poorfag	[14:23]
mircea_popescu	at least, that's how i do it.	[14:23]
mircea_popescu	see above.	[14:24]
ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: with own hands ?	[14:24]
mircea_popescu	well supposedly it's a place of business, neh ?	[14:24]
ascii_butugychag	it gets away with whatever in exactly the same way as the usg it is a tendril of	[14:24]
mircea_popescu	no, just, you suck.	[14:25]
mircea_popescu	start beating the shit out of derps pretending to things, see the wunderbar world that emerges next week.	[14:25]
ascii_butugychag	last i checked, it was usg beating the shit out of derps pretending to sovereign	[14:25]
mircea_popescu	so far i'm having pie.	[14:25]
mircea_popescu	but hey, whatevs.	[14:25]
mircea_popescu	want a pic of my pie ?	[14:25]
ascii_butugychag	yes!	[14:25]
PeterL	"I'm just trying to ..."	[14:25]
mircea_popescu	aite.	[14:26]
*	ascii_butugychag has no pie here in the mine, but will enjoy a picture	[14:26]
PeterL	Yoda: There is no try.	[14:26]
mircea_popescu	as good excuse as any to have another slice.	[14:26]
ascii_butugychag	meanwhile, https://www.rt.com/news/330180-police-violent-refugees-sweden	[14:28]
assbot	Police officers flee angry mob in Swedish refugee center through back door — RT News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Shm6cF )	[14:28]
mircea_popescu	ascii_butugychag http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/no-pie-for-alfie.jpg	[14:30]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Shmk3z )	[14:30]
mircea_popescu	it's not a la mode because i didn't want to trigger you.	[14:30]
mircea_popescu	snowburial memories and all that	[14:30]
ascii_butugychag	mmmm	[14:31]
ascii_butugychag	i actually prefer shoveling snow to work.	[14:31]
mircea_popescu	you have that much in common with 1980s inteligentsia in the other usg.	[14:32]
ascii_butugychag	aha!	[14:32]
ascii_butugychag	i'd trade it for furnace stoking, also	[14:32]
ascii_butugychag	just like'em./	[14:33]
ascii_butugychag	but see, in the other usg, you could actually take up those professions and still live like a white man	[14:33]
ascii_butugychag	furnace stoker, night watchman, etc. were beloved trades of thinking folk	[14:34]
ascii_butugychag	(paid same as engineer, believe it)	[14:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14337 @ 0.00055581 = 7.9686 BTC [+] {3}	[14:35]
mircea_popescu	well yes, because racist empire.	[14:35]
ascii_butugychag	l0lwut	[14:35]
mircea_popescu	soviets had a russian > cecen thing going, as a matter of course if not as a matter of law.	[14:38]
ascii_butugychag	ah that, yes	[14:38]
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mircea_popescu	well that, yes. what do you think is always and forever at the fundament of " you could [] still live like a white man" ?	[14:38]
mircea_popescu	gotta define white man! through the exclusion of someone, somewhere.	[14:39]
ascii_butugychag	the man-vermin separation is the whole concept of civilization imho.	[14:39]
ascii_butugychag	rats can also outcompete man, as can roaches	[14:39]
ascii_butugychag	unless preemptively pushed out.	[14:39]
ascii_butugychag	this, like any operation against a thermodynamic gradient, is a fragile and temporary thing, and tends to end bloodily, but it is why we have computer and not fucking-goat	[14:40]
ascii_butugychag	incidentally, mircea_popescu has a mega-point in that su, unlike british empire, was self-contained, had own set of coolies	[14:41]
ascii_butugychag	(rural inhabitants fed the city but not permitted therein)	[14:41]
ascii_butugychag	most of'em were ethnically ru however	[14:42]
ascii_butugychag	but predatorial mountain men were shown their place, yes.	[14:42]
mircea_popescu	well yes, it is. or to quote...	[14:42]
mircea_popescu	hm, i can't find the one where i said that the only way to have "justice" is to oppress some derps, but anyway.	[14:42]
ascii_butugychag	su ran on the fumes of four centuries of derp-crushing	[14:44]
ascii_butugychag	just like 20th c. usa	[14:44]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2013/the-sops-or-what-might-you-expect-from-government-clerks/#selection-73.0-73.123	[14:44]
mircea_popescu	there we go	[14:44]
assbot	The SOPS, or what might you expect from government clerks on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OWb3RK )	[14:44]
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mircea_popescu	!up ascii_butugychag	[14:45]
-assbot-	You voiced ascii_butugychag for 30 minutes.	[14:45]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19233 @ 0.00056015 = 10.7734 BTC [+]	[14:46]
shinohai	node is now running mod6 's latest patch, running beautifully o/	[14:46]
mircea_popescu	:)	[14:47]
pete_dushenski	http://trilema.com/2014/time-to-recuperate-this-chauvinism-thing/#footnote_0_58626 << speaking of earlier thread on 'oral tradition'	[14:48]
assbot	Time to recuperate this chauvinism thing. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ShoiB3 )	[14:48]
pete_dushenski	came up in search for 'no culture without oppression' quote	[14:48]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla re email : yes there are contingency plans. no they will not be discussed, with anyone. not until after we've salted the earth where the last "parliament" / "presidential residence" etc stood.	[14:48]
mod6	thanks for testing shinohai	[14:51]
mircea_popescu	;;nethash	[14:54]
gribble	966029265.422	[14:54]
pete_dushenski	waiting to see exahash again ?	[14:54]
mircea_popescu	curious what happened there lol.	[14:56]
pete_dushenski	maybe 24hr qc test at factory facility before shipping to permanent data centre.	[14:58]
ascii_butugychag	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1386367 << mpex submarine! six MIRV cones, any questions.	[15:02]
assbot	Logged on 26-01-2016 17:46:54; mircea_popescu: kakobrekla re email : yes there are contingency plans. no they will not be discussed, with anyone. not until after we've salted the earth where the last "parliament" / "presidential residence" etc stood.	[15:02]
mircea_popescu	more like "if you want a billet to help - the application desk is over there ; if not, isn't there some welfare line you sohuld be in ?"	[15:04]
ascii_butugychag	l0l there is application desk?!	[15:05]
ascii_butugychag	or is it a gag door, with pirannha pond on other side	[15:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29600 @ 0.00054731 = 16.2004 BTC [-] {3}	[15:08]
mircea_popescu	there is an application desk.	[15:11]
adlai	gribble's `nethash` rises and falls with luck and hashing. appears to be (or at least, have similar calculation as) the 3d window from http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-lin-2k.png	[15:14]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1UkAsZ0 )	[15:14]
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mircea_popescu	iirc it is exactly that.	[15:16]
mircea_popescu	!up GlobalSolutions	[15:16]
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shinohai	!up ascii_butugychag	[15:16]
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ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: ok i'll bite. where do i apply.	[15:19]
ascii_butugychag	or is it only for cool kidz.	[15:19]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9431 @ 0.00054696 = 5.1584 BTC [-] {3}	[15:38]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56118 @ 0.00054683 = 30.687 BTC [-]	[15:39]
mircea_popescu	you applied ~3 years ago. we're still waiting on delivery of the first item, aka the cardano.	[15:46]
ascii_butugychag	ah in that sense	[15:47]
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mircea_popescu	yes in that sense. what other sense ?	[15:47]
mircea_popescu	there is no other sense.	[15:47]
mircea_popescu	hope as they might that they'll get a certification to substitute absence of actual skill, the world still runs on physics rather than metaphysics.	[15:47]
mircea_popescu	and yes, i get it, everyone everywhere is holding their precious self in dear esteem and waiting for a better deal.	[15:48]
mircea_popescu	then there's a funeral, and a rehash of the process in younger derps.	[15:48]
mircea_popescu	!up ascii_butugychag	[15:50]
-assbot-	You voiced ascii_butugychag for 30 minutes.	[15:50]
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ascii_butugychag	on mircea_popescu's planet of immortal titans it might be different, but where i live there is ~always~ a funeral and a rehash of the process with younger derp	[15:51]
mircea_popescu	i meant of the specific "i'll wait for a better deal" process.	[15:51]
ascii_butugychag	in not entirely unrelated news, i'm reading mailz from world-phamous crypto guy and it is signed with 'android privary guard'	[15:56]
ascii_butugychag	i shit thee not	[15:56]
ascii_butugychag	*privacy	[15:56]
ascii_butugychag	maybe i am already in the insane asylum	[15:56]
ascii_butugychag	and belong there	[15:57]
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mircea_popescu	im sure it prevents any isis-eavesdropping	[15:57]
ascii_butugychag	nah no crypto	[15:58]
ascii_butugychag	just sig	[15:58]
ascii_butugychag	but srsly, wtf	[15:58]
ascii_butugychag	take me to where they keep the napoleons.	[15:59]
mircea_popescu	of course... suppose a man plays with a model car. is he insane now ?	[16:00]
ascii_butugychag	only if he tries to get in and drive !	[16:01]
ascii_butugychag	and goes around bragging about his 'car'	[16:01]
ascii_butugychag	and offering rides	[16:01]
trinque	ascii_butugychag: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Napoleon_tomb_bordercropped.jpg << found him for you	[16:03]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1VozkUp )	[16:03]
PeterL	http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-35350886 << Beards are good for you	[16:08]
assbot	Are beards good for your health? - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1VoAsYe )	[16:08]
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mircea_popescu	ascii_butugychag this is true. i suppose the matter is open to your evaluation, if he was actually driving the matchbox aroundf or not.	[16:22]
ascii_butugychag	it would appear that he was.	[16:23]
ascii_butugychag	blew my mind.	[16:23]
kakobrekla	mircea_popescu yeah i sent the guy to your logline.	[16:24]
ascii_butugychag	unrelatedly, anybody here ever harness ssd in raid box ? did they die in unison ?	[16:24]
mircea_popescu	ty kako	[16:24]
mircea_popescu	ascii_butugychag if you use at least 8, you get one that always dies first.	[16:24]
mircea_popescu	after this you have a few hours safe.	[16:24]
kakobrekla	i have ssds in raid but no deaths, just poor performance	[16:25]
ascii_butugychag	how did you get the 8 figure ?	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	replicating array of 4	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	oh, it was empirically obtained, i didn't theoretically determine it.	[16:25]
ascii_butugychag	i've been running sets of 4 in raid5 (parity, lose-1) for about a decade	[16:26]
ascii_butugychag	but these were classical disks	[16:26]
mircea_popescu	what happens is that one dies, at which point you swap out not IT, but the whole bank.	[16:26]
mircea_popescu	then during the next week you'll be sweeping out the other bank too	[16:26]
kakobrekla	most all raid controlers idiotically need specific hdds for full speed performance	[16:26]
ascii_butugychag	kakobrekla: not 3ware	[16:26]
ascii_butugychag	(as far as i'm concerned, there is ONE manufacturer of raid cards)	[16:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.00054694 = 13.4547 BTC [+]	[16:27]
ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: so they burn like candles, huh.	[16:27]
ascii_butugychag	can keep time by it.	[16:27]
mircea_popescu	there's a one that leads the pack, then the bulk of failures, then a coupla heros left behind, fwis.	[16:27]
mircea_popescu	i suppose in pre-postindustrial world, only the heros would havge been shipped, but what can you do.	[16:28]
ascii_butugychag	and these were proper honest whole-box deaths, or just fail-to-write ?	[16:28]
mircea_popescu	misc	[16:29]
kakobrekla	does 3ware have something modern (not isa or pci slot) that doesnt cost an arm and a leg?	[16:29]
mircea_popescu	some actually bricked, some had bizarro but recoverable issues, etc.	[16:29]
mircea_popescu	iirc fail to write just allocates from the spare cells	[16:29]
ascii_butugychag	kakobrekla: yes	[16:30]
ascii_butugychag	kakobrekla: e.g., 9690 series	[16:30]
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ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: eventually runs out of spare cells	[16:31]
ascii_butugychag	then it gives error when writing block and ends up dropped from array	[16:31]
mircea_popescu	yeah but this is easy to check, better controllers say	[16:31]
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hanbot	rakanishux	[16:33]
hanbot	erm.	[16:33]
mircea_popescu	lol ?	[16:33]
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ascii_butugychag	waiwut	[16:33]
ascii_butugychag	hanbot gonna have to change launch codez now!11	[16:34]
mircea_popescu	are you doing a diablo binge ?	[16:34]
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mircea_popescu	ahahahaha. what was the system calledm bishibosh ?	[16:35]
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hanbot	i admit nothing! (yes)	[16:35]
mircea_popescu	lol	[16:36]
mod6	haha, workin on gettin that new box setup?	[16:36]
thestringpuller	hanbot: plays diablo?	[16:36]
hanbot	i was, yeah. and i used to, thestringpuller, sure.	[16:37]
thestringpuller	what does the universe intend to teach me tomorrow...	[16:37]
mod6	hanbot: cool	[16:37]
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ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: i like raid5, among other reasons, because it makes life very painful for boobytrapped hdd supplier	[16:42]
ascii_butugychag	(it instead introduced boobytrapped raid card, but i can deal with those more easily)	[16:42]
mircea_popescu	i don't think i've ever used anything other than 1+0 combos.	[16:43]
ascii_butugychag	5 is a lose-any-1-of-4	[16:47]
mircea_popescu	1-0 over eight is lose up to 4.	[16:48]
ascii_butugychag	idk, seems like you can lose a particular 4 and die	[16:49]
mircea_popescu	you can lose a particular 2 and die.	[16:49]
ascii_butugychag	well in my case ~any~ 2	[16:49]
mircea_popescu	yes but 3 kills you fo sho.	[16:49]
ascii_butugychag	2 kills my setup for sure	[16:49]
mircea_popescu	well, if you had 8, to compare apples the same size.	[16:49]
ascii_butugychag	ah	[16:50]
mircea_popescu	anyway, the arrangement is seriously boosted by the historical accident of spinning hdds.	[16:50]
mircea_popescu	it is practically impossible to get 3 dead, say "fix these so that you can reconstruct one out of these two" and not get it done.	[16:50]
mircea_popescu	if it comes to replacing fucking platters.	[16:50]
ascii_butugychag	ah when the vendors 'refurbish' and resell the crud ?	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	so realistically, if you've two or more failures, your odds of recovering from data loss are still well in the 80%+ range.	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	no, when magic worker in the saving data lab gets to carefully reconstruct hdds under inert gas.	[16:52]
ascii_butugychag	but whole point of raid is to avoid this	[16:52]
ascii_butugychag	or rather, to avoid having to load from the backup	[16:52]
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mircea_popescu	!up ascii_butugychag	[16:52]
-assbot-	You voiced ascii_butugychag for 30 minutes.	[16:52]
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mircea_popescu	i don't like or trust fancy parity schemes.	[16:52]
ascii_butugychag	incidentally modern hdd doesn't recover worth shit	[16:52]
mircea_popescu	a reflection of my i don't like or trust raid controllers earlier stance	[16:53]
ascii_butugychag	but still like and trust hdd chipset ?	[16:53]
ascii_butugychag	go figure	[16:53]
ascii_butugychag	and a xor b xor c xor d is fancy ?	[16:53]
mircea_popescu	what can i tell ya.	[16:54]
ascii_butugychag	and i like the fact that no one hdd gets to decide what is in my boot sector.	[16:54]
mircea_popescu	this is a view not unlike democracy	[16:54]
ascii_butugychag	(and if it gets ideas, is immediately thrown)	[16:54]
mircea_popescu	"oh i like the fact that no one man decides what is in the lawbook"	[16:54]
mircea_popescu	o yeah ?	[16:54]
ascii_butugychag	'voting circuit' is unfortunately the one and only way to make machine, that does not fail, out of shit parts.	[16:55]
ascii_butugychag	interestingly, it is possible to arrange the pieces in such a way that there is no voting circuit as such (as central point of failure)	[16:59]
ascii_butugychag	but not in von neumann pc, no.	[16:59]
mircea_popescu	hm ?	[16:59]
ascii_butugychag	ring topology.	[16:59]
ascii_butugychag	see 'firing squad problem.'	[17:01]
mircea_popescu	ternary computer with ring ram and ring disks huh ?	[17:01]
ascii_butugychag	aha.	[17:02]
ascii_butugychag	and now you know how!11	[17:02]
mircea_popescu	poor minsky.	[17:03]
mircea_popescu	but in other ternary news, http://45.media.tumblr.com/65037a8cf6ce18873111918da79fbf26/tumblr_nic6dlMDy21s5y4eao1_500.gif	[17:04]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1PzDuEC )	[17:04]
ascii_butugychag	btw minsky was quite possibly the most intellectually honest fella in the whole field	[17:04]
ascii_butugychag	in that he not only invented neural net, but single-handedly proved that his original conception (which meanwhile spawned a mega-research-bubble) was a dead end	[17:05]
ascii_butugychag	;;google perceptron xor	[17:05]
gribble	Single-layer Neural Networks (Perceptrons) - School of Computing: ; XOR problem - homepage - AGH: ; Perceptron - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:	[17:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18702 @ 0.00054834 = 10.2551 BTC [+]	[17:05]
ascii_butugychag	his proof is homework-classic today	[17:05]
ascii_butugychag	http://web.csulb.edu/~cwallis/artificialn/History.htm << see also.	[17:06]
assbot	History of the Perceptron ... ( http://bit.ly/1PzDHaD )	[17:06]
ascii_butugychag	minsky birthed it, and killed it	[17:06]
ascii_butugychag	(multilayer nn with backpropagation was invented ~much~ later)	[17:07]
ascii_butugychag	the only comparable monument to scientific honesty i know of was the fella on the other side of the ocean, in su, with polywater	[17:08]
ascii_butugychag	Derjaguin.	[17:09]
ascii_butugychag	Дерягин, Борис Владимирович.	[17:09]
ascii_butugychag	who discovered, and then ~undiscovered~, apologized for mistake, demolished bubble of charlatans.	[17:09]
ascii_butugychag	fell on grenade.	[17:10]
ascii_butugychag	compare with, e.g., p. r. blondlot	[17:10]
ascii_butugychag	of 'n-rays' fame.	[17:10]
ascii_butugychag	french physics was wanking over imaginary rays until he died !	[17:11]
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ascii_butugychag	minsky, incidentally, also invented confocal microscope. and ocular display.	[17:38]
ascii_butugychag	and a few other things.	[17:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27450 @ 0.00054683 = 15.0105 BTC [-] {2}	[17:44]
ben_vulpes	http://41.media.tumblr.com/bfa8efa37a7cbf61c9fc82d9fa0c2984/tumblr_n149rsIhZp1s71q1zo1_1280.png	[17:48]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1S9g6oe )	[17:49]
danielpbarron	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1386041 << not just logical. That is the official policy of the IRS according to their own documentation. That's why I stopped filing.	[18:03]
assbot	Logged on 26-01-2016 15:26:56; mircea_popescu: ~you~ "gotta" pay an accountant to keep IRS' files in order. wouldn't it be logical if THEY had to come to you with a "here's how much we think you owe and if we're wriong we'll goi do the math again" ? who's the sovereign here ?	[18:03]
danielpbarron	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1386465 << the intersection of the sets "people who play Eulora" and "people who used to play Diablo" is well populated	[18:04]
assbot	Logged on 26-01-2016 19:34:52; thestringpuller: hanbot: plays diablo?	[18:04]
ascii_butugychag	danielpbarron: filing is optional if you work for gold dubloons, aha	[18:05]
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ascii_butugychag	and incidentally, it is well-known why american tax system is complicated and requires many precise calculations by the victim	[18:06]
ascii_butugychag	-- it is so that he gets a chance to fuck it up and pay mega-penalty	[18:07]
ascii_butugychag	(hiring an accountaint does not necessarily prevent this, by american law, accountant is not liable)	[18:07]
ascii_butugychag	this is why, even if you work for usg, they pay you and then you have to send the exact amount, ~calculated by you~, back...	[18:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25750 @ 0.00055128 = 14.1955 BTC [+] {3}	[18:11]
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jurov	in other news, http://s12.postimg.org/cqy6boot9/bitcoin_core_analysis.png	[18:15]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1PzK4Le )	[18:15]
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PeterL	I got my tax form from my previous emplyer yesterday, realized they had me down for 11 exemptions and withheld no fed taxes.	[18:23]
PeterL	(should have been 5 or 6)	[18:23]
PeterL	might actually end up owing fed taxes, usually i get several $k back at tax time from the feds	[18:24]
trinque	PeterL: it doesn't hurt to keep your own calculations on hand; I've had employers screw up in all directions	[18:32]
trinque	one switched payroll companies midway through the year, and somehow they both ended up filing a w2 on my behalf, roughly doubling the amount the feds expected to receive until I persuaded them otherwise	[18:32]
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thestringpuller	ascii_butugychag: yes. and the penalty for not paying is jail time with butt rapin' niggas.	[18:35]
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ascii_butugychag	thestringpuller: but in practice the folks who sit down in jail are white middle class types, for whom the amount owed is known exactly in real time by usg every time they get salary, and never mexican 'illegals' who work for bags of benjie.	[18:50]
ascii_butugychag	also typically the penalty is confiscation, jail is for especially uppity folks who are judged to have ~actively~ tried to cheat the crown	[18:51]
danielpbarron	you guys mean to say 'prison' ; 'jail' is temporary holding between arrest and trial	[18:51]
ascii_butugychag	prison.	[18:52]
ascii_butugychag	'prison, like the grave, can find room for everyone' (tm) (r) (ru)	[18:52]
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thestringpuller	from prison to the gasenwagon	[19:02]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21032 @ 0.000554 = 11.6517 BTC [+] {2}	[19:09]
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thestringpuller	!up ascii_butugychag	[19:56]
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ascii_butugychag	how goes, thestringpuller ?	[19:57]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67850 @ 0.00056062 = 38.0381 BTC [+]	[20:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21100 @ 0.00056076 = 11.832 BTC [+] {2}	[20:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28337 @ 0.00056062 = 15.8863 BTC [-]	[20:15]
thestringpuller	ascii_butugychag: Spinning around in my chair screaming at excel.	[20:20]
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thestringpuller	no way to avoid microshit in a department full of Marketing girls.	[20:20]
adlai	ascii_butugychag: prison needs a sovereign benefactor to maintain, lest it "go private" (or become just a regular old dungeon pit)	[20:22]
thestringpuller	dungeon pits are kinda cool.	[20:23]
ascii_butugychag	it is interesting to read about how dungeon pits worked in the near east	[20:23]
adlai	mno. you want the one with the TV and complimentary pogoplugs	[20:23]
ascii_butugychag	they were not a long-term thing	[20:23]
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*	adlai must confess that the first reassuring thought that crossed his mind post-arrest was, after the initial shock wore off, "at least I get what Socrates was killed for deserving"	[20:24]
ascii_butugychag	generally you would not end up in one unless whoever put you there believed that someone will come up with the money to have you ransomed, or - alternatively - pay to have you put out of your misery	[20:25]
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ascii_butugychag	adlai: what were you in for ?	[20:25]
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adlai	ascii_butugychag: what happened to the future-corpses left to rot?	[20:25]
ascii_butugychag	wai wut	[20:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 121400 @ 0.00056058 = 68.0544 BTC [-] {4}	[20:25]
*	adlai was arrested in targential connection with the international tulip trade... or was it some other flower?	[20:26]
danielpbarron	daffodil or amarylis perhaps	[20:26]
adlai	although "in" is a suggestive word, here. I wasn't "in" anything, my acquaintance with the jail/prison/dungeon/etc system is tangential, academic, etc	[20:26]
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*	adlai leaves the inside scoop to brave men such as chuckles shroom	[20:27]
adlai	!up ascii_butugychag	[20:27]
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ascii_butugychag	adlai: are you familiar with my 'coke machine' hypothesis ?	[20:27]
adlai	!s from:ascii* coke	[20:28]
assbot	67 results for 'from:ascii* coke' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aascii%2A+coke	[20:28]
adlai	(rings a bell but i'll have to verify)	[20:28]
ascii_butugychag	!s coke machine	[20:28]
assbot	37 results for 'coke machine' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=coke+machine	[20:28]
ascii_butugychag	i predicted that in the near future, some people (possibly including some of the folks here) may find themselves inside a kind of pit prison	[20:29]
ascii_butugychag	but fully automated	[20:29]
ascii_butugychag	for so long as a certain address has a positive btc balance, prisoner gets to eat.	[20:29]
ascii_butugychag	(the cost of the meals is determined on case by case basis)	[20:30]
adlai	whence the power bill once all the prisoners starve out of poverty and/or spite?	[20:30]
adlai	do you insert the btc buyers who paid power bill until today as the new victims?	[20:30]
BingoBoingo	I got my tax form from my previous emplyer yesterday, realized they had me down for 11 exemptions and withheld no fed taxes. << Shoulda made more children	[20:30]
ascii_butugychag	how the coin gets to the address, is not specified. perhaps it is posted on the walls of the prison. perhaps there is a place to key in private key. etc	[20:30]
adlai	human brains are terrible at this kind of task (mining/recalling private keys)	[20:31]
ascii_butugychag	anyway this is in the logz.	[20:31]
adlai	not that i'm much of an expert on torture, but my guess is that you want to "break" the victim as quickly as possible, get as many high-value keys in one messy week, then release spent shell as positive example for next victim	[20:32]
ascii_butugychag	no coin, no problem, the floor detects once you've quit breathing and opens to the ferment reactor.	[20:32]
*	adlai is reminded also of this one beckett play, ends with the mime waiting for fingernails to grow toa useful length	[20:33]
ascii_butugychag	how to price the meals, as i said, is a case-by-case matter, it will depend on the suspected net worth of the inmate, whether he has someone on the outside to supply ransom, etc.	[20:33]
adlai	all i'm saying is that this is not a sustainable business model	[20:34]
adlai	0/10 would not reinvest	[20:34]
ascii_butugychag	like any other business, it is what you make of it.	[20:34]
ascii_butugychag	catch just one ulbricht and you pay back 10,000 years of running empty.	[20:34]
adlai	aha, it's not a business model... it's a business ~venture~. a lottery.	[20:35]
ascii_butugychag	'lottery' is a term generally reserved for -EV propositions.	[20:35]
*	adlai refrains from continuing the "1984 was not a how-to manual" department	[20:35]
ascii_butugychag	if adlai knows how to rigorously prove the 'coke machine' to be -EV, i would like to hear.	[20:36]
adlai	hmm,i'm not sure i like that connotation. can't lotteries be 0EV, zero-sum games?	[20:36]
ascii_butugychag	because, for instance, it will soften the chances of us ending up in one	[20:37]
ascii_butugychag	adlai: in practice, it has to be worth somebody's while to run the game	[20:37]
ascii_butugychag	hence no 0sum lottery.	[20:37]
danielpbarron	what use is anyone in such a pit? why would anyone pay into it?	[20:37]
ascii_butugychag	whaddayamean what use	[20:37]
*	adlai defers to an oft-repeated meniism: "if you care about friendly AI, donate to stephen wolfram" (or was it that other fanfic author?)	[20:37]
ascii_butugychag	he coughs up coin	[20:37]
ascii_butugychag	or persuades friends, relatives, to do it on his behalf.	[20:38]
danielpbarron	right, why would the friends do it	[20:38]
adlai	ascii_butugychag: would you call bitcoin mining a lottery?	[20:38]
*	adlai would	[20:38]
danielpbarron	why be friends with a pit dweller?	[20:38]
ascii_butugychag	danielpbarron: presumably he was your friend ~before~	[20:38]
danielpbarron	yeah was being the key word there	[20:38]
adlai	danielpbarron: iiuc you don't befriend them out of pity, you cough up coin to get your friend back outside of the matchbox	[20:39]
ascii_butugychag	at any rate, this is a bog-standard minor variation on the ancient theme of kidnapping, with the added twist that the victim can pay his own ransom	[20:39]
danielpbarron	so ransom-wet-ware ?	[20:39]
ascii_butugychag	aha.	[20:39]
danielpbarron	well this is the first mention of the possibility of escape	[20:39]
ascii_butugychag	but as with the old pit dungeons ('zindan') of bukhara, etc. the 'escape' part is optional	[20:40]
adlai	allowing inmates communication with the outside world (cf "dear dad, send money") widens the scope beyond even my analytic capabilities	[20:40]
ascii_butugychag	adlai: that is part of the scheme, yes. schmuck can go and beg for ransom to keep him alive (or alternatively to pay for a faster death)	[20:40]
polarbeard	cubechain, like cube but with the blockchain	[20:40]
polarbeard	it follows the current trend, we will soon watch it in cinemas	[20:41]
ascii_butugychag	there is certainly precedent; englishmen subjected to the peine forte et dure were sometimes permitted to invite relatives, friends, to add weights or jump on the plank	[20:41]
adlai	hypercubechain, entered by unsuspecting cashers-out when they tour their newly-built homes :D	[20:42]
adlai	paying for a faster death seems a sounder business model, cf 'death with dignity'	[20:42]
adlai	"all btc" is finite, forever; "btc movable by inmate" is finite per inmate; latter decreases an inmates remain. at some point inmate must know they'll run out of starvation preventatives, and it's just cost optimization for everybody involved to opt out	[20:44]
adlai	s/an inmates remain/as long as inmates remain alive, paying out their btc/	[20:45]
polarbeard	I like how cube's cover spoils all the movie in four words: 'fear paranoia suspicion desesperation'	[20:45]
polarbeard	that's literally it	[20:45]
adlai	so the only way i see this being a +EV sustainable enterprise, rather than a "let's hope the next one is hal finney's long-lost grandson", is if you entrap dearly beloved members of families/clans prepared to enter indentured servitude to keep the inmate alive	[20:46]
ascii_butugychag	for completeness, the operating cost of the coke machine cannot be assumed to be zero	[20:47]
adlai	right, you need slave income > power bill	[20:47]
ascii_butugychag	works best as an institution at the heart of an evil empire with massive standing army, etc.	[20:48]
ascii_butugychag	(gotta have some way of keeping folks from simply busting people out. as usg famously failed to do in iraq.)	[20:48]
adlai	slavery is unsustainable when overleveraged	[20:49]
ascii_butugychag	'market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent' (tm) (r)	[20:49]
polarbeard	a cheap way would be to actually destroy your physical body and upload your mind to a virtual torture chamber	[20:49]
adlai	fwiw original quote is s/you/$0 or i/	[20:49]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1386514 << and look at all the difference that made, too!	[20:50]
assbot	Logged on 26-01-2016 20:03:12; ascii_butugychag: in that he not only invented neural net, but single-handedly proved that his original conception (which meanwhile spawned a mega-research-bubble) was a dead end	[20:50]
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adlai	polarbeard: this is not self-inflicted. a being capable of simulating your mind/soul/etc should be able to drain your btc and subsequently reclaim wasted resources	[20:50]
adlai	in other words, if the coke machine is +EV, then bitcoin's Existence will at least prove that "but he loves you" (carlin)	[20:51]
polarbeard	that's why it would be cheap, the torturing is only for keeping the mind busy while the program inspects it	[20:51]
ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: minsky's proof bulldozed funding for 'ai' for many years; often called the first 'ai winter'	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	sure.	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	if we wish to credit phenomena with intension, it did.	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	and ?	[20:52]
*	adlai notes that "full program obfuscation", like "fully homomorphic encryption", Exists less than even Bitcoin	[20:53]
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*	ascii_butugychag begins to see where mircea_popescu is going with this	[20:53]
adlai	ascii_butugychag: fwiw, Bitcoin is its own (decentralized, to boot!) coke machine	[20:54]
ascii_butugychag	and yes, minsky had nfi that he would thermonuke the whole racket	[20:54]
ascii_butugychag	but he ~could~ have derped on, as many do, despite knowing that the perceptron is provably useless	[20:54]
ascii_butugychag	and did not.	[20:54]
adlai	and here by "Bitcoin" i mean b,tmsr~, along with all the human rabble trailing along its fringes,and their fringes, and theirs, all the way out to the eight billionth... one giant wetware cokemachine.	[20:55]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1386548 << yeah, note the recently re-activated bitcoinica scammer.	[20:55]
assbot	Logged on 26-01-2016 21:13:29; jurov: in other news, http://s12.postimg.org/cqy6boot9/bitcoin_core_analysis.png	[20:55]
adlai	"want your next meal to include complimentary vintage symbolics memorabilia? donate extra 3 btc"	[20:56]
ascii_butugychag	adlai: is this a reference to how i'd like my lisp machine to be brought as weight to me peine forte et dure ?	[20:57]
ascii_butugychag	because i would like to request this.	[20:57]
*	assbot removes voice from ascii_butugychag	[20:57]
adlai	!up ascii_butugychag	[20:57]
*	assbot gives voice to ascii_butugychag	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1386573 << it still imports vanilla xml doesn't it ?	[20:58]
assbot	Logged on 26-01-2016 23:18:22; thestringpuller: ascii_butugychag: Spinning around in my chair screaming at excel.	[20:58]
adlai	it's a reference to 'et omnia ex machina', if i may (deus ex machina meets vanitas vanitatis)	[20:58]
mircea_popescu	you could do xml instead!!111!1	[20:58]
adlai	xml is too context-unaware, these days all the cool scams use RDF	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1386588 << dude could you be any more of a retarded camwhore, seriously.	[21:01]
assbot	Logged on 26-01-2016 23:24:47; adlai: although "in" is a suggestive word, here. I wasn't "in" anything, my acquaintance with the jail/prison/dungeon/etc system is tangential, academic, etc	[21:01]
mircea_popescu	are we all vague and mysterious and shit ? whoopee.	[21:01]
adlai	ascii_butugychag: so, even if no single Sovereign invests in building and powering a coke machine (or worst - CMaaS! cloud coking! etc), my point is that the collected actions of all eight billion / fifteen thousand / etc sovereigns does turn the rock into a bit of a coke machine	[21:01]
*	adlai is "in the logs" describing the full episode, it's too long to fit in the margins of these. tl;dr: police visited, invited me along so nicely i couldn't refuse, but went home the next day. as danielpbarron pointed out, jail /= prison	[21:03]
ascii_butugychag	adlai: when ?	[21:03]
adlai	early january 2014. i don't remember the exact date and frankly don't feel like trying to recall it.	[21:03]
mircea_popescu	!search from:adlai prison	[21:04]
assbot	3 results for 'from:adlai prison' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aadlai+prison	[21:04]
*	adlai celebrated "significantly more than two years" instead of astronomically precise anniversaries	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	nope, nothing 2014.	[21:04]
adlai	lol i don't think kako invited me here until months later	[21:05]
mircea_popescu	so then it's not in the logs.	[21:05]
adlai	thus the scare quotes, and distinction from ~these~	[21:05]
mircea_popescu	isn't lying fun.	[21:05]
adlai	cue "there is no logs but Logs, and you will have no other logs but these"	[21:05]
adlai	en teh archaea - fiat logos	[21:06]
mircea_popescu	mno. cue "it is the halmark of unemployed aluminum siding salesmen to try and pretend " are "".	[21:06]
ascii_butugychag	dafuq is a 'fiat log'	[21:06]
adlai	mircea_popescu: you know the "three things you can watch forever: fire burning, water flowing, people working"? needs an addition, "people bullshitting"	[21:06]
ascii_butugychag	the kind dropped into toilet ?	[21:06]
mircea_popescu	no idea what indiancandy school you went to, but no. nobody cares about specifically female retardation. it's not fascinating, nor sexy, nor even remotely interesting.	[21:07]
adlai	ascii_butugychag: mishmash of fiat (latin) and logos (greek)	[21:07]
mircea_popescu	learn a trade already.	[21:07]
ascii_butugychag	i thought adlai ~had~ a trade - tank mechanic	[21:08]
*	adlai trades time for time and sometimes btc trickle in. that is all, since this conversation doesn't seem to be helping anybody anymore	[21:08]
adlai	'tank'	[21:08]
*	adlai is more of a mechanic than he'd like, something something for insects	[21:08]
adlai	!down	[21:09]
adlai	!down adlai	[21:09]
*	assbot has kicked adlai from #bitcoin-assets (Bye.)	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1386613 << ahahaha this should be in teh bash.	[21:11]
assbot	Logged on 26-01-2016 23:32:25; ascii_butugychag: like any other business, it is what you make of it.	[21:11]
BingoBoingo	;;later tell davout good job https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/42tcqm/eli5_wouldnt_it_be_extremely_inefficient_to_copy/	[21:11]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[21:11]
assbot	ELI5: "Wouldn't it be extremely inefficient to copy every single coffee purchase on everyone's computer?" : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1K9nUDx )	[21:11]
mircea_popescu	ahaha this is epic.	[21:12]
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mircea_popescu	are all the imbeciles answering actually davout's alt accounts ?	[21:13]
mircea_popescu	because this is just too fucking good lmao, like self-building comedy goldcube.	[21:13]
mircea_popescu	"oh, isn't it inefficient to buy everyone a cup"	[21:14]
BingoBoingo	comedy hypergoldcube	[21:15]
mircea_popescu	[–]solled [score hidden] 26 minutes ago	[21:16]
mircea_popescu	Wouldn't it be extremely inefficient to manufacture a paper cup for everyone's coffee? That would be millions of paper cups per day, only to be used once. Coffee will never work.	[21:16]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile disappeared, in my stale page.	[21:16]
mircea_popescu	that's the logic of the great internet nation of teh phillipines!	[21:16]
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BingoBoingo	For serious. I should totally move there. Would be great for de-USing my brain all of this other stupidity.	[21:20]
ascii_butugychag	BingoBoingo: philippines is ~preview of near future usa~	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	nah, argentina is.	[21:21]
BingoBoingo	ascii_butugychag: Nah, it is like Australia alt USA lab	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	phillipines is preview of future of china in an alt-world where the us didn't go to shit.	[21:21]
ascii_butugychag	argentina isn't a squalid pisshole complete with free-range islamic nutters	[21:21]
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BingoBoingo	ascii_butugychag: They are pretty much all on one island	[21:22]
BingoBoingo	It's Indonesia where they are spread about	[21:22]
mircea_popescu	depends on your perception.	[21:22]
mircea_popescu	people were happy historically in all sorts of environments.	[21:22]
BingoBoingo	Cambodia seemed interesting, but dunno how I feel about multidrug resistant P. Falciprum	[21:23]
ascii_butugychag	that's the thing. ^ pisshole status is quite objectice.	[21:23]
ascii_butugychag	*objective	[21:23]
mircea_popescu	orly ?	[21:23]
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mircea_popescu	how come you fail to identify argentina then ?	[21:23]
ascii_butugychag	because it is a function of two inputs, the traveller and the destination.	[21:24]
mircea_popescu	so then how is it objective ?!	[21:24]
mircea_popescu	relativistic objectivity ?	[21:24]
ascii_butugychag	mathematics!111	[21:24]
mircea_popescu	lol.	[21:24]
*	ascii_butugychag is perpetrating this horror on the other side of desk, it is difficult to fully contain	[21:24]
polarbeard	neat, I'm using 'relativistic objectivity' in my next discussion for sure.	[21:25]
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*	jurov 's bitcoind segfaults in sha256_block_data_order, after properly and completely wiping out stack... now trying gdb's record&replay for first time	[21:26]
ascii_butugychag	jurov: this from mod6's patch?!	[21:26]
jurov	no, from my own mempool patch	[21:27]
ascii_butugychag	ah	[21:27]
*	assbot removes voice from ascii_butugychag	[21:27]
jurov	ascii_butugychag: how big slowdown is that?	[21:28]
jurov	!up ascii_butugychag	[21:28]
*	assbot gives voice to ascii_butugychag	[21:28]
jurov	should i leave it overnight?	[21:28]
jurov	(original crashes after a minute)	[21:28]
ascii_butugychag	jurov: considerable. the thing probably won't keep time.	[21:29]
ascii_butugychag	but it doesn't hurt to try.	[21:30]
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punkman	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1386548 << more sipa than everyone else combined?	[21:33]
assbot	Logged on 26-01-2016 21:13:29; jurov: in other news, http://s12.postimg.org/cqy6boot9/bitcoin_core_analysis.png	[21:33]
punkman	also surprised that Gavin didn't write more lines than Satoshi	[21:35]
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BingoBoingo	Why would infestation coordinator need to write many lines himself?	[21:43]
mircea_popescu	he did some vocal "community organizing" work at first, but..	[21:51]
mircea_popescu	sipa dumped tons and tons of code, most of which is shit.	[21:51]
mircea_popescu	!s gauss notebook	[21:58]
assbot	0 results for 'gauss notebook' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gauss+notebook	[21:58]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform do you happen to recall where the original thread was ?	[21:58]
mircea_popescu	in "the logs"	[21:58]
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mircea_popescu	ah tis found ty.	[22:19]
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*	asciilifeform home in record time - because usg was closed, no cars...	[22:40]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2014#548272 << here you go	[22:41]
assbot	Logged on 05-03-2014 23:12:13; asciilifeform: people who regularly have ideas usually have fat notebooks full of strange	[22:41]
asciilifeform	ah he found it, nm	[22:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51357 @ 0.00055653 = 28.5817 BTC [-] {3}	[22:45]
punkman	https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2016/01/no-cost-license-plate-readers-are-turning-texas-police-mobile-debt-collectors-and	[22:46]
assbot	"No Cost" License Plate Readers Are Turning Texas Police into Mobile Debt Collectors and Data Miners \| Electronic Frontier Foundation ... ( http://bit.ly/203c7hd )	[22:46]
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punkman	"The government agency in turn gives Vigilant access to information about all its outstanding court fees, which the company then turns into a hot list to feed into the free ALPR systems. As police cars patrol the city, they ping on license plates associated with the fees. The officer then pulls the driver over and offers them a devil’s bargain: get arrested, or pay the original fine with an	[22:47]
punkman	extra 25% processing fee tacked on, all of which goes to Vigilant."	[22:47]
polarbeard	sex between gov and corp is incest	[22:49]
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mircea_popescu	ty asciilifeform	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	!up srijan	[23:18]
-assbot-	You voiced srijan for 30 minutes.	[23:18]
*	assbot gives voice to srijan	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	you can talk in here.	[23:18]
*	assbot gives voice to adlai	[23:19]
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srijan	thanks mircea_popescu	[23:32]
srijan	hi everyone, I am a PhD student and I am looking for some help regarding the WoT network used here. Who should I be talking to ?	[23:32]
mircea_popescu	well, this is the best place, ask your question ?	[23:32]
srijan	is there any information about rating changes and rating deletions anywhere?	[23:33]
mircea_popescu	yes, it's in the log.	[23:34]
mircea_popescu	!s from:assbot rated	[23:34]
assbot	154 results for 'from:assbot rated' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aassbot+rated	[23:35]
mircea_popescu	see also	[23:35]
mircea_popescu	!s from:assbot " Successfully updated the rating"	[23:35]
assbot	123 results for 'from:assbot " Successfully updated the rating"' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aassbot+%22+Successfully+updated+the+rating%22	[23:35]
srijan	okay	[23:36]
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srijan	so the wot here: http://files.bitcoin-assets.com/wot/ is the current snapshot?	[23:36]
assbot	Index of /wot/ ... ( http://bit.ly/1WN8AOJ )	[23:36]
mircea_popescu	i would expect so. see also http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/	[23:37]
assbot	WoT Overview - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/231wU3S )	[23:37]
srijan	is the btcalpha wot and btc-assets wot the same thing?	[23:38]
srijan	*are the	[23:38]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[23:38]
srijan	ah i see	[23:38]
srijan	what should I search for deletion of rating?	[23:39]
mircea_popescu	deletions per se are rare. generally people just replace.	[23:39]
srijan	alrighty	[23:39]
srijan	thanks!	[23:39]
mircea_popescu	but you can see	[23:40]
mircea_popescu	!s unrate	[23:40]
assbot	134 results for 'unrate' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=unrate	[23:40]
srijan	great thanks!	[23:41]
*	assbot gives voice to felipelalli	[23:42]
felipelalli	mircea_popescu, do you still consider Bitcoin OTC WoT (not assbot WoT) important to the Bitcoin community or not more?	[23:43]
mircea_popescu	i don't really use it.	[23:43]
felipelalli	mircea_popescu, that's why I asked you. But why?	[23:43]
mircea_popescu	well, i like this one better, what can i say.	[23:44]
felipelalli	In this post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124441.0 is very inspiring to me, and you said at that time that Bitcoin OTC WoT was very important. You don't think so anymore or the assbot WoT fully meets? For a new Bitcoin business, the OTC WoT is still important?	[23:46]
assbot	So you think you're going to start a Bitcoin business, right? ... ( http://bit.ly/1MVvoFd )	[23:46]
*	assbot removes voice from srijan	[23:49]
mircea_popescu	felipelalli i do think it's very important, yes.	[23:49]
danielpbarron	the b-a WoT is the same as the one in that post; the fork happened afterwards	[23:51]
felipelalli	thank you mircea_popescu! danielpbarron, yes, I remember, I was here when this fork was made. I remember some conversation about gribble being too much offline and another bot was necessary. Am I wrong?	[23:53]
felipelalli	Not another bot, but another WoT, sorry.	[23:53]
danielpbarron	something like that; and I personally prefer assbot's authentication method to gribble's	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	what happened is - we used gribble wot. then gribbe was offline unexpectedly, and its maintainer wasn't talking. he was traveling at the time, as we later found out. nevertheless, for those few days the situation was indistinguishable from an attack and so we made a replacement.	[23:54]
danielpbarron	idk if it finally got fixed but it was the case that all someone needed to do was compromise your irc client and they could hijack your WoT identity	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	there was some talk about harmonizing the two, but i don't think the guy has any time to be doing maintenance, or any interest for that matter, so...	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	there are specific choices in how gribble handles security that were expedient for a long time, but no longer acceptable, so it'd have to be rewritten. until it isn't, i would think it more like a play sort of thing.	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	decent to learn on, i suppose.	[23:55]
felipelalli	like the session in gribble, I guess.	[23:56]
asciilifeform	achtung, panzers!	[23:57]
asciilifeform	http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000194.html	[23:57]
assbot	[BTC-dev] Tinyscheme Genesis, Cleanup, and Fixes. ... ( http://bit.ly/1WN9kDm )	[23:57]
asciilifeform	^^^ ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al ^^^	[23:57]
mircea_popescu	iinteresting	[23:58]
asciilifeform	i forgot to put the skull and crossbones in there	[23:59]

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