Forum logs for 27 Jan 2016

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
asciilifeform but please DO NOT USE in battlefield ! this or the next bit. it is for laboratory only ! [00:00]
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felipelalli asciilifeform, I didn't have too much time yet to explore this project and your work but I follow far with twinkle in my eyes. Congrats! [00:00]
asciilifeform felipelalli: this piece is just a lemma for the bigger thing [00:01]
asciilifeform it doesn't do anything at all on its own. [00:01]
mircea_popescu 1.41, reasonably recent too [00:01]
felipelalli asciilifeform, I am trying to learn the whole thing yet. But I had to pause it. [00:01]
felipelalli But I loved the idea to integrate WoT on it! [00:01]
mircea_popescu ok, this i gotta quote. [00:02]
mircea_popescu +/* ADJ is enough slack to align cells in a TYPE_BITS-bit boundary */ [00:02]
mircea_popescu +#define ADJ 32 [00:02]
mircea_popescu +#define TYPE_BITS 5 [00:02]
mircea_popescu +#define T_MASKTYPE 31 /* 0000000000011111 */ [00:02]
mircea_popescu +#define T_SYNTAX 4096 /* 0001000000000000 */ [00:02]
mircea_popescu +#define T_IMMUTABLE 8192 /* 0010000000000000 */ [00:02]
mircea_popescu +#define T_ATOM 16384 /* 0100000000000000 */ /* only for gc */ [00:02]
mircea_popescu +#define CLRATOM 49151 /* 1011111111111111 */ /* only for gc */ [00:02]
mircea_popescu +#define MARK 32768 /* 1000000000000000 */ [00:02]
mircea_popescu +#define UNMARK 32767 /* 0111111111111111 */ [00:02]
mircea_popescu what the fuck is with gc [00:02]
asciilifeform the comment on T_ATOM is a lie, it is used for the predicate is_atom and in a bunch of places [00:04]
asciilifeform clratom is a negated mask that is used to un-atom something, which only happens during the mark cycle of gc [00:05]
mircea_popescu i wonder what happened [00:05]
asciilifeform if you really want to know how this thing works, i recommend reading minischeme (the smaller item this was based on) [00:05]
asciilifeform i've carried a copy around with me for most of a decade. [00:06]
asciilifeform it is spiffy. [00:06]
asciilifeform (but unfortunately not usable for this experiment, lacks support for i/o 'ports' and, more importantly, arrays) [00:06]
asciilifeform japanese, circa '89 [00:06]
adlai srijan: fwiw it is possible to update ratings in private message, and afaik the only person who can give you the full data on thata is kakobrekla [00:06]
adlai !up srijan [00:06]
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adlai asciilifeform: so tabs vs spaces was not bad enough, and we also need lisp-1 vs lisp-2 in Bitcoin? [00:07]
asciilifeform afaik, tinyscheme is currently the smallest (in re: complexity) standards-compliant (mostly) schematron in the world [00:08]
adlai deedbot-: [00:08]
assbot ... ( ) [00:08]
deedbot- accepted: 1 [00:08]
mircea_popescu ok, ok. i take it back. [00:09]
srijan thanks adlai for the info. kakobrekla, would you be able to help with that? [00:09]
mircea_popescu think for a second srijan. [00:10]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it cites knuth, note, if you wanna know how the gc goes. [00:10]
mircea_popescu algorithm E [00:11]
adlai mircea_popescu: honestly, i don't think further details beyond what i just deeded is relevant for this forum, or any other, except perhaps a court convened in my honor by the relevant mob. [00:11]
mircea_popescu i had no idea this stuff was even deployed anywhere. [00:11]
mircea_popescu adlai me either. [00:11]
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deedbot- [Trilema] The Tarantino Terminal State ; also known as Gauss' Queasiness in a different field. - [00:15]
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adlai it's worth noting that towards the end of NCO training we had a lecture (by a shrink/officer hybrid) about the most effective way to prevent PTSD before the T is even Ped, which is, unintuitively, immediate debriefing. [00:29]
adlai given the forum and audience - more words in one ear and out the other [00:30]
asciilifeform adlai: in american army - ketamine. [00:30]
asciilifeform (not sure if this is 'official' method, but it was being tested a few years back, and a reserve grunt confirmed it when i asked) [00:31]
adlai (/= prevent treat mitigate etc) [00:32]
adlai dissos help with depression to some dubious degree. i'm not convinced this'll prove long-term to be more reliable a cure than "ceremony helps with personal growth", modulo shamans [00:33]
mircea_popescu "The McCulloch-Pitts neuron worked by inputting either a 1 or 0 for each of the inputs, where 1 represented true and 0 false. " [00:33]
mircea_popescu ahahaha this is so not how neurons work. [00:34]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: and airplanes don't flap ! newz at 11 ! [00:34]
mircea_popescu this is fucking endearing. [00:34]
mircea_popescu seriously, "1 and 0" ? [00:34]
mircea_popescu this is my new favourite man-hammer example [00:34]
asciilifeform anyway it was 1/0 time weight [00:35]
asciilifeform *times [00:35]
mircea_popescu if only neurons were disctrete logic gates. a) i'd feel much better about nature being an idiot ; b) i wouldn't be around to figure that one out anyway. [00:35]
asciilifeform (it is interesting to consider how nn became useful only when it ~entirely~ dropped the pretense of biomimeticism - where in nature do you find backpropagation !!!???) [00:36]
asciilifeform sorta how airplane became a thing when folks quit trying to flap wings. [00:36]
mircea_popescu anyway, to get back to it. romanian expression to denote that dubious state when a previously intelligent, middle class fellow is going irrecoverably nuts is, "ii fileaza o lampa". [00:36]
mircea_popescu the noun refers directly to an old style glass diode [00:37]
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mircea_popescu the verb, a fila, describes the careful, discreet look a poker player gives his card, as well as transitional and usually undesired processes in diodes. [00:37]
mircea_popescu this is how fucking neurons work : like electronics burning off. [00:37]
asciilifeform except that electronics don't extend tendrils (cruddy euro lead-free solder excepted...) [00:38]
mircea_popescu no, because they explode. [00:38]
mircea_popescu if they were less brissant they would. [00:39]
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mircea_popescu incidentally, unless i deeply misunderstand something, backpropagation is botyh found in nature and introduced in nn on an offshot hoped to better mimic. [00:40]
asciilifeform absolutely not. [00:41]
mircea_popescu which part ? [00:41]
asciilifeform both [00:41]
asciilifeform backpropagation is when you train the net by taking the errors and working backwards, 'punishing' the weights which produced it proportionately. [00:42]
asciilifeform roughly speaking. [00:42]
mircea_popescu this actually happens. [00:42]
asciilifeform << see also [00:42]
assbot A Step by Step Backpropagation Example – Matt Mazur ... ( ) [00:42]
mircea_popescu for instance sight is based on it : neurons that produce less valuable output are inhibited by the ones producing the better output. [00:42]
asciilifeform aha but (as far as anybody knows) it does not methodically propagate through whole brain. [00:43]
mircea_popescu so in a field of 3x3 you won't get equal output from all 9 but usually most of the input from just one [00:43]
mircea_popescu well ignorance is a poor argument, but we know for a fact something like it is at work in perception selection [00:43]
asciilifeform the idea is not entirely unbiological, but is about as related to what meat does as the wings of a 747 are to a bird's. [00:43]
mircea_popescu aite. [00:44]
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BingoBoingo Oh trilema header returns with more pyramid and afro [00:53]
mod6 Update: Testing & Finalizing changes on V [v99996] [00:57]
mod6 will update the build script that we've all been using (as referenced by too. [01:00]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [01:01]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 392.43, vol: 6521.08086997 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 394.337, vol: 4683.98498 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 391.92, vol: 12911.77321324 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 395.694, vol: 34202.76930000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 395.95, vol: 621.97011415 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 401.550863989, vol: 28.48649467 | Volume-weighted last average: 394.404465355 [01:01]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all --currency rmb [01:02]
gribble BTCChina BTCRMB last: 2603.98, vol: 34143.83700000 | Volume-weighted last average: 2603.98 [01:02]
BingoBoingo FEDS CAPTURE BUNDY?! [01:05]
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BingoBoingo Bahamas meme omitted from latest qntra because srs bsns [01:36]
BingoBoingo !Up felipelalli [01:36]
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deedbot- [Qntra] Militia Hero Killed, Ammon Bundy And Others Captured - [01:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14604 @ 0.00054748 = 7.9954 BTC [-] [01:38]
BingoBoingo So feds violently capture the bundy brothers and 5 other people to what exactly? Make the hundred or so other armed militiament raise their guard? [01:40]
adlai but this is greatly reassuring, it suggests usg will build coke machines regardless of their EV signum, saving worried folks the trouble of proving it one way or the other [01:41]
adlai let us hope for wiser tyrants tomorrow. [01:42]
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BingoBoingo [01:47]
adlai <--> [01:49]
assbot Bitcoin Bitcoin Bitcoin - YouTube ... ( ) [01:49]
assbot ... ( ) [01:49]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: didja think they had some magical elixir to magic away usg ? [01:50]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Maybe? [01:51]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Seemed to be working for the Elder Bundy in Nevada [01:52]
asciilifeform the single corpse suggests that they plugged the fella keeping night watch and picked up the rest in their pajamas. [01:52]
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Duffer1 it was tarpman [01:53]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: They were apparently in transit hence the small number of rebels accounted for [01:53]
asciilifeform snoar. [01:54]
asciilifeform anything involving american 'militia' sums to 0 from start. [01:55]
Duffer1 hhe no doubt [01:55]
Duffer1 call me when they hit the building [01:55]
asciilifeform just as when tim mcveigh 'declared civil war' [01:55]
BingoBoingo Sums to crater in OK city [01:55]
Duffer1 wasn't he solo though? [01:56]
mod6 Terry Nichols [01:57]
Duffer1 dudes death is really bad for hopes of peaceful resolution with remainder of militia [01:57]
asciilifeform so they'll have a not-quite-peaceful one. [02:00]
asciilifeform big fat whoop. [02:00]
BingoBoingo in not-peaceful end USG does have to run money printer for life insurance on its instruments [02:01]
BingoBoingo [02:03]
assbot Translation Of Chinese Miner Consensus Meeting | BitMEX Blog ... ( ) [02:03]
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adlai "Rejecting the Core immature Seg Wit proposal is very important... Therefore the 2MB limit and 90% fork consensus should bring us to a more acceptable fork, and we wish to see consensus on other issues (e.g. increasing unconfirmed tx)." [02:07]
* adlai didn't realize gas mask was required on this blog, too... should've been tipped off by the word 'miner' [02:07]
danielpbarron >> Historically Bitcoin is far from "reliable" as we have all experienced. For instance, we had a ValueOverflow incident on 2010/08/15 in which billions of Bitcoin were generated in 1 single block. << bitcoin didn't even really exist in 2010 [02:09]
adlai miners rejecting softforks and encouraging hard is like... like... i can't even. [02:09]
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danielpbarron and is "BitMEX" supposed to be confused with MPEx ? or is that just in my head? [02:11]
BingoBoingo Who knows anymore [02:14]
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mircea_popescu o wow, they charged the bundy thing huh ? [02:39]
BingoBoingo Well, for a handful of them [02:39]
BingoBoingo Still ~100 camped out [02:39]
mircea_popescu curious how this theory of "kill ammon the rest will go home" pans out for them [02:40]
Duffer1 ammon's fine, they killed tarptard [02:41]
BingoBoingo Prolly like Waco [02:41]
BingoBoingo Duffer1: Ryan's wounded [02:41]
Duffer1 ya [02:41]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform> anything involving american 'militia' sums to 0 from start. << they have a word for the dudes knowing the results of experiments aforehand, and that name pointedly isn't scientist. [02:43]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo should end article in a question. [02:46]
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BingoBoingo fxd [02:49]
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mircea_popescu Duffer1 right you are. [02:57]
mircea_popescu well, curious nevertheless. [02:57]
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mod6 alright, all of V's automated tests are updated & passing. manual tests look good so far. documentation is updated. should be ready for a new bundle by the end of the week. [02:59]
mod6 Salud! [03:01]
BingoBoingo "Recruits and their parents will have questions about either approach, although question No. 1 should be: How could a player the program used to plaster on billboards across the state end up in a video like that?" >> [03:04]
assbot BenFred: If clean, Mauk should come clean : Sports ... ( ) [03:04]
BingoBoingo IN other sports balls [03:08]
assbot ... ( ) [03:08]
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deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.46301616 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - [03:27]
BingoBoingo lol Trumettes can cry all they like. My establishment boy Rubio's still the BitBet (i.e. real) favorite for the nomination [03:30]
assbot BitBet - Marco Rubio will be Republicans' 2016 Presidential Nominee :: 0.54 B (54%) on Yes, 0.47 B (46%) on No | closing in 2 months 2 weeks | weight: 37`696 (100`000 to 1) ... ( ) [03:30]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.00056079 = 10.8232 BTC [+] {3} [04:50]
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davout <<< feels like tossing a mentos in diet coke [06:56]
assbot Logged on 27-01-2016 00:09:14; BingoBoingo: ;;later tell davout good job [06:56]
BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats [07:09]
gribble Current Blocks: 395277 | Current Difficulty: 1.2003334065123697E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 397151 | Next Difficulty In: 1874 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 7 hours, 53 minutes, and 41 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None [07:09]
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BingoBoingo Truefax: After Deliverance was released a major tourism and rafting industry developed along that stretch of river [07:34]
kakobrekla !up srijan [07:43]
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kakobrekla < yes it is possible to do that [07:43]
assbot Logged on 27-01-2016 03:08:00; srijan: thanks adlai for the info. kakobrekla, would you be able to help with that? [07:43]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32740 @ 0.00055914 = 18.3062 BTC [-] {2} [08:43]
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* asciilifeform dreamed that the only type of meat now permitted was: worm, and was touring a former sausage factory, where they still made sausages, but never sold'em - only hung them up in specially-made racks to be infested by worms and converted entirely to them, before shipment [09:55]
asciilifeform << this is 'experiment' in the same sense as.. dropping a cube of sugar in a glass of water. [09:56]
assbot Logged on 27-01-2016 05:41:09; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> anything involving american 'militia' sums to 0 from start. << they have a word for the dudes knowing the results of experiments aforehand, and that name pointedly isn't scientist. [09:56]
asciilifeform usaschwitz 'militia' folk are not pashtuns. they come from the same broken culture as everybody else. [09:57]
asciilifeform they are the full intellectual equals of the new york death ray schmuck [09:58]
asciilifeform as demonstrated by every single interaction between them and usg, ever, to date. [09:58]
asciilifeform i know that mircea_popescu gotta have his 'tough, resourceful partizans vs cowardly, blundering polizei' narrative. but look for it elsewhere. [10:00]
asciilifeform (even the urban black gangs are better candidates...) [10:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84400 @ 0.00055877 = 47.1602 BTC [-] {3} [10:01]
asciilifeform but in point of fact there are no partizans in usa. [10:08]
asciilifeform any more than stampeding bulls are partizans on a farm. [10:09]
asciilifeform farmer - knows how to deal with the bull. [10:09]
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PeterL BingoBoingo, "six members of the members of the" 1st paragraph [10:44]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12934 @ 0.00056201 = 7.269 BTC [+] {2} [11:40]
jurov looky what a healer [12:02]
assbot Core Devs: Communication has improved, thank you. Two more moves, and the civil war may end. : Bitcoin ... ( ) [12:02]
mircea_popescu lol [12:02]
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jurov "Move 1) Core clearly commits to a hard fork block size increase, by adding it to its formal roadmap." [12:02]
mircea_popescu lemme guess, reddit is pompously calling "everyone ignores us" a "civil war" ? [12:02]
jurov "Move 2) Core formally, publicly, and clearly denounces the censorship that has plagued community discussion, and should apologize for not having done so earlier. " [12:03]
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mircea_popescu herpitty derp. [12:03]
assbot Logged on 26-01-2016 15:22:52; mircea_popescu: Following a campaign by 100 advocacy groups, Facebook agreed to update its policy on hate speech. The campaign highlighted content promoting domestic and sexual violence against women, and used over 57,000 tweets and more than 4,900 emails that caused withdrawal of advertising from the site by 15 companies, including Nissan UK, House of Burlesque and Nationwide UK. The social media we [12:03]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform> but in point of fact there are no partizans in usa. <<< this is factually not so. [12:04]
mircea_popescu and i resent the "narrative" implication, especially seeing how it's your fucking problem. [12:05]
mod6 <+asciilifeform> << Cool! I missed this lastnight. Can we use this to build the R.I. as we know it today, or is 'Shiva' the name of the required changes to the R.I. to use tinyscheme? [12:11]
assbot [BTC-dev] Tinyscheme Genesis, Cleanup, and Fixes. ... ( ) [12:11]
mod6 Or how do we utilize this. [12:11]
PeterL I thought Shiva is tinyscheme stuffed into the R.I. ? [12:12]
mod6 I have no clue. Was hoping asciilifeform would explain all of this when he gets a chance. [12:13]
jurov no he sent today only the tinyscheme code [12:14]
jurov the integration to come later [12:14]
mircea_popescu mod6 not for a while yet. [12:14]
mircea_popescu the idea is to replace json with sexpr which means you'll have to have some sort of scheme in there. and once you do, it'll replace the retarded format of coin scripts too, eventually. [12:15]
mircea_popescu but this is a very far seeing thing, for now it means ~nothing to bitcoind [12:15]
thestringpuller isn't sexpr some kinda latex stuff? [12:17]
jurov plus, as the database/datastructure (both in-memory and on-disk) implementations in C/C++ are retarded, they may be replaced by scheme ones (don't take that as promise on my part) [12:17]
mod6 mircea_popescu: ahh, ok thanks for clearing that up. [12:17]
mircea_popescu actually it's the hole through which the day comes in, to stick to estalibhsed metaphora. [12:18]
jurov ;;google s-expression [12:18]
gribble S-expression - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; S-Expressions - Rosetta Code: ; Lisp: list vs S-expression - Stack Overflow: [12:18]
jurov ^ thestringpuller [12:18]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller if you recall the raging arguments between the hyerophants and the zealots, s-expr was the one faint hope the alphabetic side nailed its hopes on. [12:18]
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ascii_butugychag << actually the basic shivatron is done, but i'd like to test before posting [13:11]
assbot Logged on 27-01-2016 15:12:46; mircea_popescu: mod6 not for a while yet. [13:11]
ascii_butugychag << initially the thing is to be used, very carefully, as a kind of scriptable debugger (e.g., 'when a tx comes in, do XXX' [13:13]
assbot Logged on 27-01-2016 15:13:24; mircea_popescu: but this is a very far seeing thing, for now it means ~nothing to bitcoind [13:13]
ascii_butugychag ) [13:13]
ascii_butugychag my first attempt was a very dirty hack, i re-did it as a properly vtronic thing (to preserve pedigree linkage to classical tinyscheme) [13:14]
ascii_butugychag incidentally, ~nobody~ noticed that i used an ancient vdiff that shat out timestamps [13:14]
ascii_butugychag mod6: should i re-grind the ts genesis? or can your vtron eat this without choking. [13:15]
ascii_butugychag << if mircea_popescu tells me there are partizans, i'll believe. but the (fed-subsidized!) ranchers are sad schmucks. [13:16]
assbot Logged on 27-01-2016 15:02:51; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> but in point of fact there are no partizans in usa. <<< this is factually not so. [13:16]
ascii_butugychag (perhaps whoever shot out the substations in ca last year, partizans) [13:16]
ascii_butugychag << i promise to explain once the whole thing is up on the ml. [13:17]
assbot Logged on 27-01-2016 15:12:03; mod6: I have no clue. Was hoping asciilifeform would explain all of this when he gets a chance. [13:17]
ascii_butugychag shiva is a very dangerous instrument, and anyone considering using it for whatever purpose will need to read the docs and 'measure seven times, cut once' [13:17]
PeterL basically it gives you hooks into the internal guts of bitcoind? [13:18]
ascii_butugychag aha. [13:18]
ascii_butugychag you telnet and get a repl. [13:19]
PeterL is this a step toward a working bitcoin-os? [13:19]
ascii_butugychag something like that. [13:19]
shinohai telnet yet! I love it. [13:20]
mircea_popescu ascii_butugychag> incidentally, ~nobody~ noticed that i used an ancient vdiff that shat out timestamps << no, i noticed, as well as the "false" string. [13:20]
ascii_butugychag prolly gonna have to rebake it [13:21]
ascii_butugychag (and afaik nobody cancelled the 'false' for file dels) [13:21]
ascii_butugychag PeterL: the goal is much more modest, i just need something that lets me poke around a running trb [13:22]
ascii_butugychag gdb is a nonstarter, thing won't keep time with it in [13:22]
mircea_popescu and let's stick with the "narrative" bs. whether the us has any sensible life left in it somehwere or not doth make very little difference to me. i'd be quick to believe it makes very little difference to you also, if it weren't for your sad situation of being EX [13:22]
mircea_popescu ACTLY what you loudly despise in those rangers. [13:22]
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mircea_popescu which is to say, fed subsidized. [13:22]
ascii_butugychag mircea_popescu: i think even the air i breathe is subsidized somehow. [13:22]
mircea_popescu so, how about : you show me you can in fact live like a man, rather than as a welfare child, and then i show you where there are partisans, to believe. [13:22]
mircea_popescu how about that. [13:22]
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mircea_popescu but until such a time, i'll extend those dudes trying to do stuff the same slack i extend you, which is : who knows, maybe they are what they wish to be instead of what their environment seems to dictate. and maybe one day. [13:24]
mod6 <+ascii_butugychag> mod6: should i re-grind the ts genesis? or can your vtron eat this without choking. << i can throw it in my patches dir tonight and see what it does with it. [13:25]
mircea_popescu it doesn't altogether seem a stretch, to me, this. but to attack the concept is to attack yourself. [13:25]
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ascii_butugychag mircea_popescu: what would this look like? kalash, kandahar ? [13:27]
mircea_popescu no one can tell a man what his fucking life looks like! [13:28]
mircea_popescu all you can tell from aside is what it can't look like. [13:28]
ascii_butugychag no but what would count as properly honourable [13:28]
ascii_butugychag do i have to catch own goat ? [13:28]
ascii_butugychag or is it permissible to buy one [13:28]
mircea_popescu depends. is it with money you buy it, or with asshole ? [13:28]
ascii_butugychag with money. but then turns out that said goat was subsidized by american occupying soldiers... [13:28]
mircea_popescu there's no "turns out". [13:29]
mircea_popescu that's the problem here. this constant "turns out" device which allows you to pretend metaphysics beats physics and meta-* rules supreme. [13:29]
mircea_popescu nonsense! [13:29]
mircea_popescu stop passing by reference and instead pass by value. lest you sit among a pile of knotted pointers wondering where all the value went. [13:30]
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kakobrekla anyone got that recent pic/link showing bitcoin dev by lines since beginning at hand? [13:32]
mircea_popescu yes one sec [13:33]
jurov !s in other news from:jurov [13:33]
assbot 7 results for 'in other news from:jurov' : [13:33]
kakobrekla thank you [13:33]
mircea_popescu [13:35]
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mircea_popescu oh [13:35]
kakobrekla better twice than nullce [13:35]
mircea_popescu lol [13:35]
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PeterL !up ascii_butugychag [14:17]
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* ascii_butugychag just now realizes that mircea_popescu would make a world-class sergeant [14:18]
mircea_popescu heh [14:19]
ascii_butugychag he can say 'drop and fifty pushups, maggot' and it will not even occur to one to not do the push-ups, much less that one is not maggot [14:20]
mircea_popescu and perhaps there is even good reason for this! [14:21]
ascii_butugychag how else. [14:23]
mircea_popescu anyway - i keep slaves, it affords me deeper knowledge and more experience in less time than any sargent could ever hope for. [14:23]
mircea_popescu but the deep reason isn't that it doesn't occur to the girls. it does occur. what also occurs is that it doth not, at the time, matter! whether they're maggots or not. [14:23]
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ascii_butugychag i recall a spiffy mircea_popescu article re: how one ends up having to lie to chix, when telling them that they are worthless, because they are in fact worth something [14:24]
ascii_butugychag whereas a bloke is worth something possibly at the moment he charges the enemy machine-gun nest successfully [14:25]
mircea_popescu why so sexist ? [14:25]
ascii_butugychag how did it go... 'mammalian reproduction shits out horde of disposable males' [14:25]
ascii_butugychag hard to argue with this. [14:26]
mircea_popescu yes, well, in this sense at rest photons are the most valuable thing in the world, seeing how nature doth not shit them out at all. [14:28]
mircea_popescu anyway, this discussion goes splendidly with the article i've been working on, so ... [14:28]
ascii_butugychag 'bird's milk' [14:28]
ascii_butugychag (or, in the anglo world, 'hen's teeth') [14:28]
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punkman [16:32]
assbot Google achieves AI 'breakthrough' by beating Go champion - BBC News ... ( ) [16:32]
punkman "Earlier on Wednesday, Facebook's chief executive had said its own AI project had been "getting close" to beating humans at Go." [16:32]
mircea_popescu awww. [16:35]
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mircea_popescu so basically what, mandatory facebooking ? [16:52]
mircea_popescu "dear blackmailer - please do! i was dying for attention anyway." [16:52]
adlai << incidentally the idf has signed its own death certificate; by the time i served, your sergeant had to drop and do the pushups together with you! [16:59]
assbot Logged on 27-01-2016 17:19:02; ascii_butugychag: he can say 'drop and fifty pushups, maggot' and it will not even occur to one to not do the push-ups, much less that one is not maggot [16:59]
adlai any self-respecting unit had exceptions in place, but every single new recruit had to sign a form exempting their sergeants from such rules [17:00]
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mircea_popescu << this is one of the lulziest things ever. [17:05]
assbot Eggnog Riot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( ) [17:05]
mircea_popescu i'm not even sure if the events or the tardpedia retelling make it. [17:05]
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PeterL doesn't wikipedia have some sort of "needs to be noteable" policy? [17:18]
mircea_popescu yes, but it's necessarily a meaningless test seeing how wikipedia itself is not notable. [17:22]
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ascii_butugychag so there is a kind of phree volkischer-beobachter they hand out in the train station here. and it had a full page ad in it today, melted my brain, full pyongyang mode [17:23]
ascii_butugychag had an obama standing in a photoshopped mountain canyon, sunrise illuminating his saintly halo, [17:24]
ascii_butugychag 'thank you obama for defending our public lands!' [17:24]
ascii_butugychag i shit thee not. [17:24]
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assbot The 8 Most Needlessly Detailed Wikipedia Entries | ... ( ) [17:25]
mircea_popescu ascii_butugychag put a pic up ? [17:25]
ascii_butugychag i'll grab a copy on my way back & scan it [17:25]
ascii_butugychag just so precious. [17:25]
mircea_popescu PeterL anything about the most tediously unfunny cracked article ? [17:25]
PeterL meh, it was the first thing that popped up. I don't really reccommen the link [17:26]
ascii_butugychag incidentally the centerpiece article in that rag was hilarious, it was about d.c. folk fighting over (yes) parking spots they excavated in the snow [17:27]
PeterL don't Chicago people do that all the time? [17:28]
ascii_butugychag no idea [17:28]
PeterL "People are assholes, news at 11!" [17:28]
mircea_popescu so how does obama relate to the collapsed urban infrastructure i nthe very fucking capitol ? [17:29]
ascii_butugychag fiddles while it burns ? [17:30]
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mircea_popescu so in a quest for obscure nonsense, we encounter an interesting bit of david blight : "One of the ideas the reconciliationist Lost Cause instilled deeply into the national culture is that even when Americans lose, they win. Such was the message, the indomitable spirit, that Margaret Mitchell infused into her character Scarlett O'Hara in Gone With the Wind." [17:38]
mircea_popescu this dude [17:38]
assbot Log In - The New York Times ... ( ) [17:38]
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ascii_butugychag ;;later tell adlai [18:16]
gribble The operation succeeded. [18:16]
assbot Loper OS » The Book ... ( ) [18:16]
ascii_butugychag ^ anybody else who wanted kogge's mega-b00k [18:16]
ascii_butugychag l337 w4r3z!11111 [18:17]
* adlai only w4r3z secondhand cl3475 [18:17]
ascii_butugychag pretty decent scan. [18:18]
ascii_butugychag no idea who did it. [18:18]
adlai ascii_butugychag: danke! i was able to get the pdf from the 2nd link with a textmode browser... "look ma, no js!" [18:19]
ascii_butugychag now it just needs to become a djvu [18:19]
ascii_butugychag and it'll be a winner. [18:19]
ascii_butugychag srsly who saves scans as pdf. [18:19]
ascii_butugychag savages. [18:19]
PeterL isn't pdf kinda bulky? [18:20]
ascii_butugychag bitmaps are bulky [18:20]
adlai and on the 8th day, God released pdf2djvu [18:20]
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ascii_butugychag << random lulz [18:26]
assbot Why does TI have so many microcontrollers? - Electrical Engineering Stack Exchange ... ( ) [18:26]
ascii_butugychag 'Hercules is a continuation of the TMS470/TMS570 line. It's focused on safety and performance. One of the key features of Hercules is dual CPUs running the same code in parallel ("lock-step"). This lets you immediately detect faults in the CPU itself.' << apparently not entirely extinct [18:26]
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shinohai ;;later tell mircea_popescu I installed Eulora on my new lappy, any chance you can resend me my pass when you have time? thanx. [18:33]
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mats i was just in a meeting where bosses decided to downgrade ~10k windows 10 users to TLS 1.0 (from 1.2) because of a bug from patch tuesday [18:40]
mats wat [18:40]
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mircea_popescu shinohai nope, i dun keep em. [19:03]
mircea_popescu do you have the original paste ? [19:03]
davout <<< pretty cool! [19:04]
assbot Logged on 27-01-2016 15:13:14; mircea_popescu: the idea is to replace json with sexpr which means you'll have to have some sort of scheme in there. and once you do, it'll replace the retarded format of coin scripts too, eventually. [19:04]
mircea_popescu word. [19:05]
davout i meant to link to actually [19:05]
assbot Logged on 27-01-2016 16:17:10; ascii_butugychag: you telnet and get a repl. [19:05]
davout :D [19:05]
mircea_popescu lol. [19:06]
BingoBoingo [19:06]
assbot Anarcho-Tyranny: Danish Girl Fights Off Attempted Rape, Gets Charged By Government | VDARE - premier news outlet for patriotic immigration reform ... ( ) [19:06]
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thestringpuller ben_vulpes: reason #310421 i need to move to portland: better air quality. How the fuck do I get inflamed sinuses in fucking winter? [19:24]
thestringpuller Georgia is such a cesspool. [19:25]
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BingoBoingo No that's a reason to move to a mountaintop. [19:26]
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ben_vulpes or mircea_popescu's salt mine [19:31]
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ben_vulpes << and chetty, in tribute i imagine [19:42]
assbot Logged on 27-01-2016 03:51:03; BingoBoingo: Oh trilema header returns with more pyramid and afro [19:42]
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thestringpuller ben_vulpes: how's that jew fro going? [19:49]
ben_vulpes not. [19:49]
* thestringpuller has a soft spot for jew fros. [19:49]
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ben_vulpes > ro-fro [19:53]
pete_dushenski thestringpuller: you're not alone as a black-dude-with-an-affinity-slash-respect-for-the-non-black-dude-fro. when i let my hair down, everyone from the ethiopian immigrants here to the locals in jamaica all be like "yo man! hao cum yoo iz gott hayur like mee?!" [19:58]
thestringpuller exactly. [19:58]
thestringpuller lets go do disco now and dance! [19:58]
pete_dushenski if anything can ever bridge the black-white divide, it's this genetic anomaly. [19:59]
thestringpuller and basic white girls. black gus love basic white girls. [20:00]
thestringpuller guys* [20:00]
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pete_dushenski << how did this entire ~1.5k word piece not mention 'power laws' one single time ? iza disappoint :P [20:01]
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pete_dushenski ;;ud basic [20:02]
gribble | Basic. An adjective used to describe any person, place, activity involving obscenely obvious behavior, dress, action. Unsophisticated. Transparent motives . [20:02]
thestringpuller ;;ud basic white girl [20:02]
gribble | Basic white girl. Starbucks Uggs Lots of selfies. Dog pictures. I love you all over tumblr. Heart emojis. Leggings as pants. Forever 21 iPhone. Straightens hair ... [20:02]
pete_dushenski thestringpuller: i can't not think of 'basic' without thinking of the seminal 'lohanthony' skit about 'all the basic bitches' etc. [20:02]
thestringpuller And not to "date" just to hit it and quit it after a fraternity party or something. [20:02]
thestringpuller L0L. That's understandable. Having gone to university with tons of basic white girl clones, they do know how to dress to visual stimulate sexual arousal. But that's about all their good for. [20:03]
thestringpuller they're* [20:03]
pete_dushenski [20:04]
assbot Tosh.0 Web Redemption (lohanthony) - YouTube ... ( ) [20:04]
BingoBoingo Fucking Reddit tries to applied ethics [20:05]
assbot Stopping the asshole who constantly takes an offroad shortcut. : pettyrevenge ... ( ) [20:05]
* BingoBoingo pretty sure the 'Murican cookie cutter subdivisions are social experiments in the vein of 'vaults' in fallout [20:06]
thestringpuller LOLOLOL [20:07]
thestringpuller coincidentally in fallout4 you start off in exactly that, a cookie cutter subdivision. [20:07]
* BingoBoingo was just commenting on the reddit applied ethics failure. [20:09]
pete_dushenski << just keeps sargeants from getting fat. wut. [20:17]
assbot Logged on 27-01-2016 19:57:40; adlai: << incidentally the idf has signed its own death certificate; by the time i served, your sergeant had to drop and do the pushups together with you! [20:17]
pete_dushenski << i swear to god this is the primary reason that 99% of "connected" folks use "password" as a password. "omg i got hacked, now i have something to do and something to talk about!" [20:18]
assbot Logged on 27-01-2016 19:50:29; mircea_popescu: "dear blackmailer - please do! i was dying for attention anyway." [20:18]
pete_dushenski "they hacked me! MEEEEE!!!!1" [20:18]
ben_vulpes using "password" as a password should be mandatory. [20:18]
ben_vulpes "no sig, not me." [20:18]
pete_dushenski tell that to jurov for coinbr ;/ [20:19]
pete_dushenski and what about your 'sig' ? should its password mandatorily be 'password' too ??! [20:20]
jurov coinbr has 2fa, soon mandatory [20:20]
jurov ur welcome to make your account public [20:20]
pete_dushenski jurov: i don't happen to agree with ben on this point. just poking you ;) [20:20]
pete_dushenski i don't happen to think that anything should be 'mandatory' [20:21]
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pete_dushenski let idiots who want to be idiots get raped for the privilege. nothing wrong with that. [20:21]
mircea_popescu <<< doesn';t seem like a terribly good idea. if those people wanted to make it public, they would have. if they didn't, there's no standing for random outsider, phd or no phd, to ask for anything. [20:21]
assbot Logged on 27-01-2016 10:41:28; kakobrekla: < yes it is possible to do that [20:21]
mircea_popescu << da hell's a basic white girl. [20:23]
assbot Logged on 27-01-2016 22:58:50; thestringpuller: and basic white girls. black gus love basic white girls. [20:23]
pete_dushenski who would make a specified password mandatory anyhow ? and if everyone's stuck with the same one, don't you just have usernames left ? [20:23]
jurov ben_vulpes: or create a public mpex account, i'm sure that would be something to talk about [20:24]
kakobrekla mircea_popescu 'yes it is possible' to rate in private message is what i meant [20:24]
mircea_popescu ah ye [20:24]
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ben_vulpes that nobody's seen fit to implement gpg session auth is not my problem [20:29]
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ben_vulpes i have, at least twice now. [20:29]
pete_dushenski [20:29]
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ben_vulpes anyways, 'mandatory' is a bit of a joke. [20:29]
pete_dushenski dammit [20:29]
assbot Log In - The New York Times ... ( ) [20:30]
ben_vulpes dafuq, even taxes aren't mandatory around here. [20:30]
pete_dushenski what are you, danielpbarron ? [20:30]
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ben_vulpes << page ratio might even work for kindle [20:32]
assbot Logged on 27-01-2016 21:15:01; ascii_butugychag: ^ anybody else who wanted kogge's mega-b00k [20:32]
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danielpbarron lolz [20:34]
pete_dushenski << finally landed new job then ? [20:35]
assbot Logged on 27-01-2016 21:38:09; mats: i was just in a meeting where bosses decided to downgrade ~10k windows 10 users to TLS 1.0 (from 1.2) because of a bug from patch tuesday [20:35]
pete_dushenski (or was this in logs ?) [20:35]
danielpbarron << ditto 'the fappening' ; now everyone gets to see your hot bod and you don't come off like a slut [20:38]
assbot Logged on 27-01-2016 23:16:24; pete_dushenski: << i swear to god this is the primary reason that 99% of "connected" folks use "password" as a password. "omg i got hacked, now i have something to do and something to talk about!" [20:38]
pete_dushenski which is pretty much the ideal balance of signals as far as ustards are concerned [20:40]
pete_dushenski super fucking meta, yes, but what else can we expect from 'trizantium' ? [20:40]
mats pete_dushenski: yeah, i slave for a private univ in boston. [20:42]
pete_dushenski !up ascii_butugychag [20:43]
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pete_dushenski mats: aha. [20:43]
ascii_butugychag wtf is trizantium [20:43]
pete_dushenski byzantium redux [20:44]
ascii_butugychag traditionally that's ru [20:44]
pete_dushenski americans are unoriginal. wut. [20:45]
pete_dushenski << references [20:46]
assbot Logged on 16-12-2015 18:06:03; mircea_popescu: trizantynes lol. [20:46]
ascii_butugychag mats: working as a reverser at last ? [20:47]
mats no [20:48]
mats the struggle continues [20:48]
ascii_butugychag << the sc4mz0rz neglect to mention that the wins were in handicap games [20:50]
assbot Logged on 27-01-2016 19:30:33; punkman: [20:50]
ascii_butugychag you and i can also win against world champion with nine stone handicap, quite possibly. [20:50]
ascii_butugychag srsly could they not find somebody who ~actually plays~ the motherfucking game, to write these articles ?!! [20:50]
pete_dushenski << my bitcoin-developed scamdar is dinging like a motherfucker from this 'glass' company's email. is there nowhere that sv retardation hasn't poisoned ? NO ONE GIVES A SHIT HOW MUCH YOU RAISED !!1 there, i said it. also, no, i won't "think tesla factory". at least not without thinking 'zil scam'. so fuck you and your dumb parallels. [20:55]
assbot ... ( ) [20:55]
pete_dushenski "it's like the uber of ice cream shops". yea, i'm sure that's what the kid the the bicycle-mounted ice cream cooler is. [20:56]
shinohai [20:59]
assbot Butter behind, a voting platform claiming to have been used by NASA, says that the website isn't ready for "robust voting". That's after a three years in development. : Buttcoin ... ( ) [20:59]
jurov lol dunno why it reminded me to "they live" glasses [21:00]
pete_dushenski [21:01]
assbot Farewell, Marvin Minsky (1927–2016)—Stephen Wolfram Blog ... ( ) [21:01]
ascii_butugychag !s minsky [21:02]
assbot 26 results for 'minsky' : [21:02]
pete_dushenski but by... wolfram [21:02]
pete_dushenski your favourite, neh ? ;) [21:03]
BingoBoingo [21:05]
pete_dushenski "…teacher pay in the United States seems more like something from Soviet-era Russia than 21st century America. Wages for teachers are low, egalitarian and not based on performance. We pay phys ed teachers about the same as math teachers despite the fact that math teachers have greater opportunities elsewhere in the economy. As a result, we have lots of excellent phys ed teachers but not nearly enough excellent math [21:05]
pete_dushenski chers…" << good for gladiators (us-style football), not so good for anything or anyone else. [21:05]
assbot Cryptsy Co-founder and Josh Garza Co-conspirator is the ideas guy behind Bitcoin Classic : Buttcoin ... ( ) [21:05]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Phys ed egalitarianism though backstops a tournament market. Not every PE teacher/coach can be Nick Saban, but they all want to be. [21:06]
jurov how do you pay teachers based on performance? [21:07]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: who's he again ? [21:08]
BingoBoingo It's a mystery [21:08]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Roll Tide [21:08]
* pete_dushenski still has to google [21:09]
mircea_popescu ascii_butugychag> you and i can also win against world champion with nine stone handicap, quite possibly. << i have. friendly game tho. [21:10]
mircea_popescu and looky, they gotta get the shareholders excited. remember how jobs built apple ? [21:10]
ascii_butugychag i thought mircea_popescu only played gurlz [21:11]
pete_dushenski nah, just things that start with the letter 'g' [21:11]
mircea_popescu well there's a lot of championships :D [21:11]
ascii_butugychag << see also [21:12]
assbot Logged on 24-04-2015 22:00:56; mircea_popescu: i... had to leave. [21:12]
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BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Nick Saban is the person who has the job all PE teachers and coaches want. [21:31]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: ANd this is because it turns out public schools really do the tournament market thing with some jobs. [21:32]
pete_dushenski did saban start as a hs teacher then ? [21:35]
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BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Unsure. He trained for the same job market they did. [21:41]
BingoBoingo And occasially yes, HS teachers make the jump from public high school coaching to public university coaching and the long slog of trying to supplant Saban in the job market. [21:42]
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* thestringpuller imagaines elementary school PE teacher coaching the shit out of some 6 year olds playing football. [21:43]
deedbot- [Qntra] Oregon Standoff Supplanted In US Media By Celebrity Drama - [21:43]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: some college coaches rake in more than nfl coaches, neh ? [21:44]
thestringpuller Do NFL coaches have salary cap like players? [21:44]
thestringpuller nope. they don't have salary cap it seems. [21:44]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Well there's a lot of NFL/College back and forth on all coaching positions. In the lower levels of the coaching heirarchy high school coaches often make it in. [21:45]
thestringpuller prolly why baseball is so skewed. lack of salary cap on players. well capitalized teams always beat out the underdogs, (hence the creation of moneyball) [21:46]
d9b4bef9 danielpbarron davout deedbot- diametric diana_coman dignork donpillou dooglus DreadKnight dub Duffer1 [21:46]
BingoBoingo Baseball is great because teams tend to suck at deciding who the player to offer the mega, instead of merely lucrative, contracts to. [21:47]
thestringpuller overpaid players underperforming. sounds a lot like CEOs. [21:48]
BingoBoingo Or getting injured. [21:49]
BingoBoingo Or the particular way they are so much better not really being worth the premium price in the larger scheme of things. [21:50]
BingoBoingo And if you get to an especially spendy team that isn't careful about curating their acquisitions like the Dodgers, you get the personality conflicts. [21:51]
thestringpuller github is getting ddosed [21:54]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53500 @ 0.00055927 = 29.9209 BTC [+] {3} [21:54]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: makes sense given what i've heard about the size of the hs market. << 5yo and still bananas in scale. there are surely bigger venues today. [21:55]
assbot 10 ginormous high-school stadiums that were bought with tax dollars - Business Insider ... ( ) [21:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.0005569 = 10.4697 BTC [-] [21:55]
guruvan yah - they're saying they're down on twitter thestringpuller [21:56]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Well, everything is bigger in Texas... except the dicks [21:56]
trinque ahem. [21:56]
BingoBoingo !b 2 [21:56]
assbot Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( ) [21:56]
pete_dushenski anywho, i'm off to the races. chip chip cheerio mates! [21:56]
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BingoBoingo trinque: I'll take that comment back if you can get together a freedom loving militia to liberate the Alamo. I'll need something to write about after Obola goes Janet Reno mass murder in Oregon Waco style. [21:58]
trinque lol, I have my doubts about the Alamo's defensibility [21:59]
BingoBoingo But its history shows that it is good for amplifying the effect of a defensive force in battle. Santa Anna might not have tried taking it if he had to pay out life insurance... [22:00]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88460 @ 0.00056072 = 49.6013 BTC [+] {4} [22:08]
BingoBoingo [22:09]
assbot Roger Ver outraged when his friend Eric posts on r/bitcoin, but accidently admits he reads r/bitcoin instead of his r/btc cesspool. : Buttcoin ... ( ) [22:09]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49400 @ 0.00055649 = 27.4906 BTC [-] {3} [22:15]
BingoBoingo ;;later tell polarbeard It is very important that you come clean on whether your name is read PolarBeard or PolarBearD [22:16]
gribble The operation succeeded. [22:16]
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polarbeard << actually is polar beard [22:39]
assbot Logged on 28-01-2016 01:14:19; BingoBoingo: ;;later tell polarbeard It is very important that you come clean on whether your name is read PolarBeard or PolarBearD [22:39]
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BingoBoingo that's the far worse choice [22:40]
polarbeard that's why I chose it [22:40]
BingoBoingo a daemon for routing polar bears would be far more useful [22:41]
polarbeard too much charisma is dangerous [22:41]
BingoBoingo Lots of things are dangerous. A value underflow bug in a polar bear routing daemon though would be dangerous in the awesome way. [22:44]
BingoBoingo MAXINT-1 polar bears appearing in arbitrary places, etc [22:45]
polarbeard buffer underflow is the less exciting I ever heard [22:45]
polarbeard *bug [22:45]
BingoBoingo exiting depends not on the mechanics of the bug, but on what it does [22:47]
BingoBoingo Imagine you're in your basement, about to jack it when suddenly 9223372036854775806 polar bears spawn at you location. Not so less exciting anymore is it? [22:48]
polarbeard thanks, now I'm polarbored. [22:51]
BingoBoingo And whose failing is that? You could be doing literally anything right now. You could be reading, coding, or playing Natasha Henstridge but instead you are letting yourself be bored. [22:54]
polarbeard nice try Natasha. [22:55]
mod6 ok asciilifeform [22:59]
mod6 here we got, a few thins [22:59]
mod6 *things [22:59]
asciilifeform hm? [22:59]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [22:59]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 393.28, vol: 4458.55944830 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 394.82, vol: 5628.47803 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 393.44, vol: 8847.27119001 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 389.99, vol: 0.067 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 396.84616, vol: 29501.99640000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 393.79011, vol: 209.50503808 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 400.715199989, vol: 52.67371176 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) [22:59]
BingoBoingo ;;more [22:59]
gribble 395.657700093 [22:59]
mod6 man [22:59]
mod6 ok. [22:59]
mod6 so << sig doesnt use the correct nomenclature. [23:00]
assbot [BTC-dev] Programmable Version Strings. ... ( ) [23:00]
mod6 ditto this one: [23:00]
assbot [BTC-dev] Malleus Mikehearnificarum. ... ( ) [23:00]
asciilifeform mod6: this one looks like it got mangled [23:00]
asciilifeform by the ml [23:00]
asciilifeform can rename [23:01]
mod6 I just noticed this now. And the sig verifies just fine, but yah. mis-named in the email so that threw me off a bit. [23:01]
mod6 anyway... thats just an fyi [23:01]
mod6 but moving on to your tinyscheme stuff... [23:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54250 @ 0.00055657 = 30.1939 BTC [+] {3} [23:01]
mod6 so yes, if I drop those into my patches dir with a full sync with V [v99997] it does indeed break my seal validation. [23:01]
asciilifeform gonna have to rebake these [23:02]
asciilifeform as i suspected [23:02]
mod6 and its because of one line that i'm not being strict enough with my regex. [23:02]
mod6 i have fixed it in my forthcoming v99996, and this shouldn't be a problem any more. [23:02]
mod6 however, yeah, as you noted, your patches dont press out probably quite right because of the timestamps [23:02]
mod6 but I have this for you to review: [23:03]
mod6 [23:03]
assbot ... ( ) [23:03]
asciilifeform ick [23:03]
asciilifeform much barf [23:03]
mod6 but, the good news is, other than those little hiccups, i think it would have been fine. [23:04]
asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu >>>>>> ask and thou shall receive: [23:05]
gribble The operation succeeded. [23:05]
assbot Logged on 27-01-2016 20:23:36; mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag put a pic up ? [23:05]
assbot ads from volkicher beobachter - Album on Imgur ... ( ) [23:05]
mod6 so im highly tempted to actually just rename the seal files in the mirror for Programmable Version Strings and the Malleus Mikehearnificarum, but will resist. you should probably just re-post as annoying as that may seem. [23:05]
asciilifeform mod6: just these ? [23:05]
asciilifeform iirc there were many other mangled names [23:05]
mod6 it's just those two sig files ya. [23:06]
mod6 there are mangled names in just about every email for se [23:06]
mod6 here's what I had to do to each: [23:06]
mod6 mv asciilifeform_malleus_mikehearnificarum.vpatch.sig asciilifeform_malleus_mikehearnificarum.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig [23:06]
mod6 mv asciilifeform-programmable-versionstring.vpatch.sig asciilifeform-programmable-versionstring.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig [23:06]
mod6 fromthe emails: [23:07]
mod6 Name: asciilifeform_malleus_mikehearnificarum.vpatch.sig [23:07]
asciilifeform ah hm [23:07]
asciilifeform 1sec [23:07]
mod6 Name: asciilifeform-programmable-versionstring.vpatch.sig [23:07]
mod6 yup np. all of your others have been 100% accurate. [23:08]
asciilifeform ok latest 2 should work [23:10]
asciilifeform (i assume this is being eaten by a script somewhere..) [23:10]
asciilifeform mod6: but other one got eaten for some reason [23:12]
assbot [BTC-dev] (repost for mod6) Programmable Version Strings. ... ( ) [23:12]
* mod6 looks [23:13]
asciilifeform OH FOR FUCKS SAKE turdatron WON'T ACCEPT the naming convention [23:13]
asciilifeform i am ~very~ tired of this. [23:13]
mod6 yeah, you're right. it hosed it. [23:13]
mod6 thought it was just a oversight or something. [23:13]
mod6 changing the signature file name doesn't actually change the signature - but i was just hoping to get 'em both in the ML for posterity [23:20]
mod6 maybe i should just fix the names in the V Mirror @ [23:20]
assbot Index of /v/seals ... ( ) [23:20]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29584 @ 0.00055963 = 16.5561 BTC [+] {2} [23:25]
mod6 well, we've got a well-named sig for malleus [23:27]
mod6 you wanna roll the dice and see if you can get one through for PVS that isn't mangled? or should we wait for jurov? [23:27]
mod6 in the mean time i'll update the mirror with the good sig from malleus [23:28]
mod6 haha, it's like trying to get one through the golies legs. [23:28]
mod6 *goalies [23:29]
jurov waitwhat [23:37]
jurov asciilifeform: did you submit the same clearsigned text twice? [23:39]
jurov if so, it was eaten as antispam protection (to prevent someone taking any existing clearsigned doc and repeatedly sending it $maxint times) [23:40]
jurov when reposting, you must change the text and clearsign again [23:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105900 @ 0.00055413 = 58.6824 BTC [-] {4} [23:42]
jurov i'm fully aware it's infuriating but i don't see a way how to prevent repeated posting of stuff that changes only by unsigned data (like, attachment names) [23:43]
mircea_popescu << unintentional fuzzing ftw. [23:46]
assbot Logged on 28-01-2016 02:00:27; mod6: and its because of one line that i'm not being strict enough with my regex. [23:46]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform dude looks so out of place in the desert the only thing that conjures up is "nigga gettin' killed". [23:48]
mircea_popescu << this is not so hot, we'll end up carrying water by hand for a few feet ? [23:48]
assbot Logged on 28-01-2016 02:18:38; mod6: maybe i should just fix the names in the V Mirror @ [23:48]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123079 @ 0.00055373 = 68.1525 BTC [-] {2} [23:54]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47300 @ 0.00055052 = 26.0396 BTC [-] [23:59]
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