Forum logs for 26 Jan 2016

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
TomServo 66f81f6da997109f4d34ca654d30e24cb850fa87a6fbe6a045c6cb1a9f6d47d979fb4e25a0bbb35064c1259cda3c7b5ff12f68d9c22c1acf45299dbb4ed72317 db.cpp [00:02]
TomServo How would I end up with an old one? [00:02]
mod6 not sure. we haven't seen this problem yet. [00:03]
mod6 I don't suppose you logged your build process? [00:04]
TomServo Unfortunately not. [00:04]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo dollars to donuts you'll end up importing searle, [00:05]
mod6 Aside from further diag. I think the best bet is to probably just start over. One way to log the entire build process (this goes for everyone) is to use `script`. This command, `script`, will start logging everything in the terminal ,and when finished, just type `exit` and all of the screen output will be saved in a file in the pwd called 'typescript'. [00:05]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: It's possible. [00:05]
mircea_popescu then next thing you'll know you'll be putting out stuff like "the spread of [redacted] is perhaps the best known example of a silly but noncatastrophic phenomenon." and so on. [00:05]
TomServo I think I've cause problems before with this old build before (deb squeeze). [00:05]
mircea_popescu willy nilly all this idocy traces back to usians reading lacan and perhaps some saussure in the 60s and not understanding anything of it. [00:06]
TomServo mod6: Will do. Thanks. [00:06]
mod6 No problem! Good luck. [00:06]
mod6 Certainly start with a clean env. [00:06]
mod6 That'll ensure that nothing is coming in at a forty-five degree angle and hosing the build. [00:06]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well gotta make it that far to find out. [00:08]
mod6 TomServo: one last qq: When did you create this build? [00:08]
mod6 Was it within the last 24 hours? [00:08]
TomServo mod6: Within the last 2 weeks. [00:10]
mod6 ah, ok. [00:10]
mod6 anyway, let us know how it goes. [00:10]
TomServo Of course. [00:10]
mod6 Salud. [00:11]
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ben_vulpes [00:36]
assbot But Rails Culture is to make developers smile! [00:36]
ben_vulpes << also lulzy thread [00:38]
assbot But Rails Culture is to make developers smile! [00:38]
ben_vulpes << scuze [00:38]
assbot That's still broken. They've just pushed the problem deeper. Now instead of havi... | Hacker News ... ( ) [00:38]
asciilifeform what even [00:39]
mircea_popescu " My intuition is that this might even require fewer attempts than the original comparison assuming a reasonable password length, but I haven't done the math." << he's right actually. [00:42]
mircea_popescu ruby fixed its hashing by breaking it moar. [00:43]
ben_vulpes it's not RUBY it's RAILS [00:43]
ben_vulpes GOD [00:43]
ben_vulpes (although who uses one without the other i do not know) [00:43]
* mircea_popescu is not versed enough in this to know the difference. [00:44]
mircea_popescu my dictionary has two r entries : r and rubyrails. [00:44]
asciilifeform what, no REBOL ?!! [00:44]
mircea_popescu no rebol. [00:45]
mircea_popescu << two paragraphs in and i'm queasy. [00:46]
assbot What is REBOL? ... ( ) [00:46]
mircea_popescu is this thing fucking stupid ? [00:46]
asciilifeform aaaand don't forget Refal! [00:46]
asciilifeform the soviet lisp. [00:46]
asciilifeform !s refal [00:47]
assbot 8 results for 'refal' : [00:47]
mircea_popescu i don';t think you understand how mp works. [00:47]
mircea_popescu the main thing i do is forget. [00:47]
mircea_popescu that's my principal professional skill. [00:47]
asciilifeform hey what do you think ~i~ do [00:47]
asciilifeform any accumulator that doesn't principally occupy itself with ~forgetting~ rapidly collapses into a singularity of shitmass. [00:48]
-AdrianG- what do you think of edward bernays? [00:52]
mircea_popescu !up AdrianG [00:52]
-assbot- You voiced AdrianG for 30 minutes. [00:52]
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AdrianG hi thx. [00:52]
mircea_popescu !gettrust assbot AdrianG [00:53]
assbot Trust relationship from user assbot to user AdrianG: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | | [00:53]
AdrianG what do you think of edward bernays, mircea_popescu ? [00:53]
mircea_popescu you know you can voice yourself. just say !up to assbot in pm [00:53]
mircea_popescu !s edward bernays [00:53]
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AdrianG oh. i didnt know. i thought somebody has to approve me. [00:53]
mircea_popescu apparently nothing. [00:53]
AdrianG thx whoever that was. [00:53]
AdrianG mircea_popescu: i thought you'd know a bit about him at lesat. [00:53]
AdrianG bernays was quite a character. [00:54]
trinque !s !rate AdrianG [00:54]
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mircea_popescu isn't he yet another marx/ziggler/barnum/whatever ? [00:54]
AdrianG he is the father of 'spin', or propaganda, but on industrial scale. [00:54]
BingoBoingo any accumulator that doesn't principally occupy itself with ~forgetting~ rapidly collapses into a singularity of shitmass. << This has been the greatest challenge of sober living so far. [00:54]
BingoBoingo Booze is a great forgetting aid [00:55]
AdrianG bacon and eggs for breakfast, fluoride in water, smoking is good for you and liberates women etc [00:55]
AdrianG his legacy is in almost every aspect of our lives today. [00:55]
mircea_popescu AdrianG i think you're greatly overestimating some 1920s rando. [00:56]
AdrianG mircea_popescu: he's not a rando [00:56]
trinque this notion that there was a particular father of propaganda is pretty rich [00:57]
thestringpuller ;;ud rando [00:57]
gribble | rando. That which is random. Generally used in reference to people. I thought this party was invitation only...what the hell are all these randos doing here? [00:57]
AdrianG sure, it was a long time ago, but he is the one who put propaganda on proper industrial scale. [00:57]
mircea_popescu AdrianG as seen where ? [00:58]
trinque I am going to guess the documentary Century of the Self [00:58]
mircea_popescu "Quick Facts We rebel against the idea that modern software must be large and complex." << "we also rebel against the concept of a fact and sane prosody. [00:58]
asciilifeform where [01:00]
mircea_popescu what sort of mental disorder must float about in the head of someone confusing phenomena and facts. even leaving aside that "what we do" is usually poorl self-perceived. [01:00]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform quote above. [01:00]
asciilifeform yes but from where [01:00]
mircea_popescu "we rebel" can't be a fucking fact. IN PRINCIPLE. [01:00]
mircea_popescu link slightly above-er, [01:00]
asciilifeform ah [01:00]
AdrianG mircea_popescu: as seen where? [01:00]
mircea_popescu AdrianG yes, how does a third party independently established your guy put propaganda on proper industrial scale. [01:01]
mircea_popescu a feat usually credited to a certain reich minister. [01:01]
AdrianG oh, hehe goebbels. [01:02]
asciilifeform poor bernays, all of his atrocities are credited to w. r. hearst, usually [01:02]
AdrianG nazis had a different goal. [01:02]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform at least hearst wasn't annoying AND poor. [01:02]
mircea_popescu what's the other derp, more recent [01:03]
mircea_popescu ogilvy [01:03]
asciilifeform orwell's ogilvy ?! [01:04]
mircea_popescu no, david. [01:04]
AdrianG nice. [01:04]
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asciilifeform the question of 'who was the first to put ' propaganda, semiconductor, coprophagia, etc. 'on a scientific footing' is interesting but not resolvable. [01:06]
AdrianG its highly subjective of course. [01:06]
AdrianG the process is gradual and particular points will depend on the formulation of you definition. [01:07]
asciilifeform e.g., otto lilienfeld drew the transistor, in agonizing detail, and even a more interesting type than actually produced (cupric oxide!) - but - as far as anyone knows - never built one [01:07]
asciilifeform maxwell described all of the equations which govern radio but never built one, did not give the slightest fuck [01:08]
asciilifeform etc. [01:08]
asciilifeform (m was only interested in light!) [01:08]
mircea_popescu AdrianG nevertheless, what exactly led you to your stated conclusion ? [01:08]
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AdrianG mircea_popescu: he was first to use psychoanalysis of some sort, and with great success. [01:10]
mircea_popescu << putting bedroom heating on industrial footing. [01:10]
assbot ... ( ) [01:10]
AdrianG and now we have thousands of psychology PhDs/psychiatrists working untold hours to make facebook feel more like crack. [01:10]
mircea_popescu AdrianG the thesis was "he is the one who put propaganda on proper industrial scale" [01:10]
AdrianG mircea_popescu: you need scientific foundation to put something on industrial scale. which he did. and with great success = thus scale. [01:11]
mircea_popescu don't flatter yourself, nobody gives a flying fuck what fb feels like to the cows. [01:11]
mircea_popescu it mostly hires lawyers and businbess majors. [01:11]
AdrianG why flatter myself? i have nothing to do witht the field. [01:11]
mircea_popescu which field ? [01:11]
AdrianG why would I flatter myself? [01:11]
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mircea_popescu i have no idea. [01:14]
mircea_popescu but for the record, fb employs something like 10k people. didja know this when you proposed the "thousands of phds" theory ? [01:15]
AdrianG never heard of hyperbole? [01:15]
AdrianG asciilifeform: what made you think maxwell was only interested in light? he said so himself somewhere? [01:15]
mircea_popescu i did hear of hyperbole. sadly there's a disease running around among the social-mediated youth, which has little to do with the stylistical choice and everything to do with lazy thinking. [01:16]
mircea_popescu i guess either 9gag or cracked put that particular brain rot on "industrial footing", depending on whether we credit alf's symbolic supremacy or not. [01:17]
mircea_popescu (but really, the kids were lazy long before either of these hot-topic'd the matter) [01:17]
mircea_popescu and in other news, [01:18]
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AdrianG heh [01:19]
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BingoBoingo !up AdrianG For the record Dickens first perfected "Industrial" propaganda [02:28]
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mircea_popescu ;;nethash [03:22]
gribble 966885232.624 [03:22]
BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats [03:27]
gribble Current Blocks: 395095 | Current Difficulty: 1.1335429980147113E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 395135 | Next Difficulty In: 40 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 hours, 57 minutes, and 45 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None [03:27]
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ben_vulpes do y'all have "mandatory reporters" in yurp and misc. other "civilized nayshuns"? [03:34]
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mircea_popescu da wut ?! [03:38]
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BingoBoingo From the mines: "There are some issues being filed concerning database corruptions in bitcoin core. Although the problem hasn't been pinpointed to LevelDB, the long-term plan is still to switch to a new, well maintained database." << A Hearnia continues [04:09]
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BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats [04:22]
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ben_vulpes "People complained recently that we wrote some shitty software. Statement self-declared to be irrelevant to the accusations, hey look a shiny!" [04:49]
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BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats [07:22]
gribble Current Blocks: 395124 | Current Difficulty: 1.1335429980147113E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 395135 | Next Difficulty In: 11 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 hour, 37 minutes, and 46 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None [07:22]
BingoBoingo ;;tslb [07:28]
gribble Time since last block: 12 minutes and 20 seconds [07:28]
BingoBoingo ;;tslb [07:47]
gribble Time since last block: 12 minutes and 25 seconds [07:47]
BingoBoingo [07:57]
assbot Law professor argues in UBC human rights complaint that Indigenous scholars shouldn’t have to publish peer-reviewed research ... ( ) [07:57]
BingoBoingo "McCue has alleged that peer-reviewed research is contrary to indigenous oral traditions and that UBC’s research standard effectively discriminated against her “race, colour, ancestry, place of origin … and sex.” " [07:57]
punkman "Lorna June McCue was denied tenure and ultimately dismissed after 11 years at the university in part because of her failure to submit a single piece of peer-reviewed research during that time. " [08:16]
punkman could she have picked a weaker argument? [08:16]
BingoBoingo But Oral Tradition [08:17]
punkman why do all professors need to publish anyway, can't one just teach? [08:17]
BingoBoingo That would be a Lecturer [08:17]
BingoBoingo Or a teacher. [08:17]
BingoBoingo Not a Professor [08:17]
punkman [08:31]
assbot ... ( ) [08:31]
BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats [08:36]
gribble Current Blocks: 395132 | Current Difficulty: 1.1335429980147113E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 395135 | Next Difficulty In: 3 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 26 minutes and 20 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None [08:36]
BingoBoingo lol punkman [08:37]
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punkman ;;bc,bull [08:50]
gribble Next Price Estimate: 433.114 | Next Price In About 2 days, 21 hours, 29 minutes, and 54 seconds [08:50]
BingoBoingo ;;bc,bear [08:50]
gribble Next Price Estimate: 314.992 | Next Price In About 3 days, 1 hour, 58 minutes, and 14 seconds | It's tanking! [08:50]
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BingoBoingo [08:58]
assbot So What Exactly is SCR7? | In the Pipeline ... ( ) [08:58]
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punkman [09:11]
assbot Are beards good for your health? - BBC News ... ( ) [09:11]
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deedbot- [Qntra] Bitcoin Network Difficulty Rises 5.89% - [09:33]
punkman [09:33]
assbot Merit Capitalism: Stop rich people from buying our politics. ... ( ) [09:33]
BingoBoingo ;;later tell adlai Sorry, too late for this diff period. [09:33]
gribble The operation succeeded. [09:33]
BingoBoingo I was actually awake for one of these for a change [09:34]
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asciilifeform [10:03]
assbot AI pioneer Marvin Minsky dies aged 88 - BBC News ... ( ) [10:03]
asciilifeform 'But, in one of his last interviews, with MIT Technology Review last year, Prof Minsky said there had been "very little growth in artificial intelligence" in the past decade, adding current work had been "mostly attempting to improve systems that aren't very good and haven't improved much in two decades". By contrast, he said, "the 1950s and 1960s were wonderful - something new every week". And he hinted he was against large t [10:03]
asciilifeform echnology companies such as Google and Facebook getting involved the field of AI. "We have to get rid of the big companies and go back to giving support to individuals who have new ideas because attempting to commercialise existing things hasn't worked very well," he said.' [10:03]
asciilifeform (inventor of neural network and cofounder of ai lab with j. mccarthy, for n00bz) [10:04]
asciilifeform he was the last remaining anybody who was somebody of that period, afaik. [10:04]
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BingoBoingo If you've got time to write it up, I'd have time to publish it. [10:10]
BingoBoingo [10:10]
assbot Why are black Americans less affected by the opioid epidemic? Racism, probably. - Vox ... ( ) [10:10]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: unfortunately i haven't any time. [10:10]
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asciilifeform go ahead and do it if you feel like it. [10:10]
BingoBoingo I figured. I lack the background. [10:10]
BingoBoingo Maybe phf? [10:10]
asciilifeform the bbc article, surprisingly, has the facts. [10:11]
BingoBoingo But big black cock is a poor medium for obituaries of great people [10:14]
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jurov [10:40]
assbot Politicians are so predictable, a robot can literally write their speeches - The Washington Post ... ( ) [10:40]
jurov ^ another idea for stego corpus [10:40]
jurov "For example, I mean probably all of us have had a mom or a grandmom or an uncle to whom we say, hey, I noticed your legs are swelling again. Fluid retention. Fluid retention." [10:41]
jurov Fluid. *pounds on the pulpit* Retention. [10:41]
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BingoBoingo So, Federal reserve open market committee meets today. QE4? QE 4ever? [11:53]
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BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [12:04]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 391.21, vol: 7670.92802261 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 395.2, vol: 5623.27465 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 390.89, vol: 21162.60207079 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 370.0, vol: 1.0 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 393.21184, vol: 43649.86990000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 394.83726, vol: 579.10188788 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 397.5711, vol: 21.98767709 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) [12:04]
BingoBoingo ;;more [12:04]
gribble 392.54738725 [12:04]
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thestringpuller I thought there is always QE [12:21]
BingoBoingo 4real [12:22]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it occurs to me that the actually correct way to indent your inline else is if
mircea_popescu and in re let's quote from the very pravda : [12:24]
mircea_popescu Following a campaign by 100 advocacy groups, Facebook agreed to update its policy on hate speech. The campaign highlighted content promoting domestic and sexual violence against women, and used over 57,000 tweets and more than 4,900 emails that caused withdrawal of advertising from the site by 15 companies, including Nissan UK, House of Burlesque and Nationwide UK. The social media website initially responded by statin [12:24]
mircea_popescu g that "while it may be vulgar and offensive, distasteful content on its own does not violate our policies".[84] It decided to take action on May 29, 2013, after it "become clear that our systems to identify and remove hate speech have failed to work as effectively as we would like, particularly around issues of gender-based hate."[85] [12:24]
assbot Logged on 26-01-2016 04:08:33; AdrianG: and now we have thousands of psychology PhDs/psychiatrists working untold hours to make facebook feel more like crack. [12:24]
mircea_popescu what we learn here, other than a) nobody gives a shit about the inept campaings of the hundreds upon endless thousands of "activists" (as you recall from this is !=== "educator"), and especially not the advertisers [12:26]
assbot Logged on 11-01-2016 19:05:15; mircea_popescu: BUT if the symbol "activist" ran into any trouble... there's a newly minted "educator" symbol to the rescue. [12:26]
mircea_popescu b) the derps in question thesmelves however are VERY careful as to how they state the nonsense. it's important that even through the usual muck of pravda it comes through ~how much they worked~ and how ~they vanquished an uncaring, cruel, cold world~, the two pillars of... well basically of socialist realist movies of the 60s. [12:27]
mircea_popescu apparently those actually eventually paid off, who knew a whole generation of idle retards was going to be educated by them. hollywood raped moscow just as mosfilm raped san mateo. [12:27]
mircea_popescu and finally c) that facebook, just like every other usg corporation, tends to outsource all its workload TO UNPAID THIRD PARTIES. [12:28]
mircea_popescu ~you~ "gotta" pay an accountant to keep IRS' files in order. wouldn't it be logical if THEY had to come to you with a "here's how much we think you owe and if we're wriong we'll goi do the math again" ? who's the sovereign here ? [12:29]
mircea_popescu and similarly you gotta do the phd'ing for facebook, so they figure out whether it's more productive for their goals to include or to exclude strings matching $pattern. [12:29]
thestringpuller people still use facebook? [12:31]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller the corp is allegedly worth 150bn while allegedly 1bn users log in daily. [12:31]
mircea_popescu so it's somehow managed to get wallstreet ot pay ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS per active user. [12:32]
mircea_popescu if only they were doing this back in the day when usg's own corp didn't exist, america'd have looked a lot different. [12:32]
mircea_popescu o wait... usg's own ws didn't exist then yet either huh. a well. [12:32]
mircea_popescu meanwhile the lifetime economic value per active fb user is MAYBE a cent. doubtfully so. [12:33]
mircea_popescu leaving behind a ~150 bn crater in imaginary "wealth" that "could have bought russia" to be accounted for, somehow. [12:33]
mircea_popescu meanwhile... everyone's "pensions" bwahahaha are invested in facebook(s). your daddy had not only a better house, not only better shoes, but also a retirement full of alcoa and shell. what a sucker, that dood. [12:34]
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mircea_popescu << and they still can't come out and fucking say it. [12:38]
assbot Logged on 26-01-2016 07:07:34; BingoBoingo: From the mines: "There are some issues being filed concerning database corruptions in bitcoin core. Although the problem hasn't been pinpointed to LevelDB, the long-term plan is still to switch to a new, well maintained database." << A Hearnia continues [12:38]
thestringpuller Well digital marketing is a dying field, Facebook tried to pull the "Google route" which helped boost their shareholder confidence but as a long term monetization policy it will fail. [12:38]
mircea_popescu "we're narrowly intelligent but broadly speaking stupid, we were raped for our ineptitude by some nobody that mp trampled underfoot without even particularly noticing. really - go use TRB, we'll just follow along quietly to try and learn something" [12:39]
thestringpuller or rather it's not worth 150bn dollars, (unless 150bn is worth a lot less than teh so-called fed tells us) [12:39]
mircea_popescu is that so hard ? [12:39]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller it's not worth 150bn even if a loaf of bread were 1k. [12:39]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: The truly lulzy part is the blame is going to Windows antiviruses for deleting arbitrary files from PRB bitcoin databases. [12:39]
mircea_popescu derp. [12:39]
mircea_popescu <<< aahahahahahaha. [12:40]
assbot Logged on 26-01-2016 10:54:57; assbot: Law professor argues in UBC human rights complaint that Indigenous scholars shouldn’t have to publish peer-reviewed research ... ( ) [12:40]
mircea_popescu dude, i tell you truly - i fucking hate argentina, these people are as dumb as the delicious cows they raise. nevertheless, sitting here atop a grassy knoll, chowing exceptional beef and homemade apple pies and watching rome burn is a delight for which i am ever thankful. [12:41]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: this is same phenomenon that has rested on Bitpay, guess goes back to notion of "problem of too much money". When talking with Pierre, he told me "they could probably run the company with two people and have the same amount of business." But the leadership has ADHD. [12:41]
mircea_popescu nobody can take this from you, you know ? "i got to fine dine while watching idiots burn. TWICE." [12:41]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: Same ineptitude that has cause the parent company of my uranium mine (VMWware) to instantiate 900 layoffs to maintain "normal growth". (Althogh EMC is a terrible terrible company overall). [12:42]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller myeah. they don't think properly, ie "hey, mp isn't paying for nascar car, clearly stupid idea" but instead "oh, let's do random $idiocy, we'll be so much better than mp". makes sense, if you're retarded. [12:42]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller ahaha you work for vmware ? [12:42]
punkman wasn't EMC looking to sell itself? [12:43]
mircea_popescu iirc. [12:43]
mircea_popescu and wasn't getting much in the way of bids, either. [12:43]
punkman to Dell, huh [12:43]
mircea_popescu apparently 1bn active fb users are worth more than 10k active office workers. [12:43]
mircea_popescu no idea how they figure that one, you can't get a fb account to show up to your office irl./ [12:43]
mircea_popescu actually, we can do this math. EMC employs 50k mostly indians, and is valued at 25bn. [12:45]
mircea_popescu thus therefore, [12:45]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 150 * 10**9 / 25 / 5 / 10 ** 4 [12:45]
gribble 120000 [12:45]
mircea_popescu takes 120`000 fb accounts to make one it employee. [12:46]
mircea_popescu one gram of flesh per FB account, this is almost farmable. [12:46]
mircea_popescu << actually, upon review, it's a very strong argument. [12:48]
assbot Logged on 26-01-2016 11:14:40; punkman: could she have picked a weaker argument? [12:48]
thestringpuller yea many whales are pulling out of vmware like a slut, killing the stock. So Dell just wants to acquire it for cheap. pump then dump the thing. [12:49]
mircea_popescu woman is making a fucking stand against publish or perish ? go her. [12:49]
punkman sure, but oral tradition? [12:49]
BingoBoingo Well, still hard to do that on publish nothing [12:49]
BingoBoingo Could publish peer reviewed tapes [12:49]
punkman [12:50]
assbot Marvin Minsky - Scientist - 'I want an anti-fad fad' - Web of Stories ... ( ) [12:50]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: yea I work for VMWare under the "AirWatch" brand. The leadership is so confused. It's like kindergarteners being in charge of billions of dollars. [12:50]
mircea_popescu punkman what do i do if not oral tradition ? [12:50]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller wassat airwatch ? [12:50]
mircea_popescu Could publish peer reviewed tapes << except peers won't review tapes. because it's inept. oral tradition is unlike the written tradition in a fundamental way : it rejects the ~separation~ of knowledge and power. that sound familiar ? [12:51]
mircea_popescu that separation discussion with asciilifeform is going to haunt us forever, for it's fucking fundamental. [12:52]
BingoBoingo lol, University's desired peers are discriminatory! [12:52]
mircea_popescu they HAVE TO be. [12:53]
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mircea_popescu see, their driver is, "i don't have time to watch this dumb indian's videos". which is legit, they don't have time. [12:53]
mircea_popescu but the notion of time in this particular manner IS oppressive. just ask alf. [12:53]
BingoBoingo Indeed, but fuck Canada. It's time for their universities to make all bums peers to the faculty. [12:53]
BingoBoingo Time is the MOST oppressive thing. [12:54]
mircea_popescu "nobody in this lab has discovered anything the past decade so now we're putting everyone on arbitrary counters!" [12:54]
BingoBoingo More than money [12:54]
mircea_popescu is that going to help ? [12:54]
mircea_popescu "i give myself until 7 pm to fall in love then i'm just getting drunk" or what ? [12:54]
BingoBoingo Help toss kerosene on this tire fire. [12:54]
BingoBoingo There's people who have lots of time they can spend nothing, and other people for whom managing time is as critical an optimization problem as their budget/hodl [12:55]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo the "every" thing is not part of the argument as presented tho. how about "give it to just McCue". "i want it too" "get in the wot" [12:55]
mircea_popescu same argument innit ? [12:55]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: Mobile Device Management. (A dying field that boomed like social networks!!!!11). I just want to work for a useful uranium mine. [12:56]
mircea_popescu managing time in this sense is only a consideration for assembly line workers. [12:56]
mircea_popescu and yes the university is assembly line for phds. [12:56]
mircea_popescu and yes we're nowhere near ready to be happy with the results of unseating the ONLY english contribution to the western civilisation. [12:56]
mircea_popescu nevertheless... argument can be brought. [12:56]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller ic. [12:57]
BingoBoingo Ah, It's getting late. Second bolus of coffee is taking its time to work. [12:57]
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mircea_popescu << is that yours or ? [12:58]
assbot Logged on 26-01-2016 12:31:33; punkman: [12:58]
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punkman no wai [13:01]
mircea_popescu "we da people who are poor fundamentally misunderstand what money is and wish to fix it". mkay. [13:02]
mircea_popescu << this would be because a robot actually does write the speeches. iirc we laughed at the company in question here even. [13:03]
assbot Logged on 26-01-2016 13:38:36; assbot: Politicians are so predictable, a robot can literally write their speeches - The Washington Post ... ( ) [13:03]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo no QE, facebook deflates back to it's ~20mn actual value. [13:04]
mircea_popescu none of the "industrial blue chips" do anythning anymore, so you'd be left with a stock market the size of bulgaria's. [13:04]
mircea_popescu that this would be quite apt is not terribly material to 'em. [13:04]
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mircea_popescu wow minsky died [13:06]
BingoBoingo Who ever wants to qntra if since alf passed on it can submit. phf? [13:06]
mircea_popescu "Some experts have said the field of artificial intelligence is currently experiencing something of a golden age, with deep-learning neural networks making advances in both speech and image recognition." << well, more like a qe age. [13:07]
mircea_popescu mkay, enoug of that. off to [13:08]
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thestringpuller mircea_popescu: LOL Trace Mayer is critiquing your accounting. "MPEx needs a balance sheet cause I don't understand zero-asset corporations" [13:16]
pete_dushenski heh. no one noticed a recent footnote in a recent contravex that mentioned tom cruise in "the day after tomorrow" instead of "the edge of tomorrow". clearly, i need to become more popular with the action movie kidz [13:17]
pete_dushenski thestringpuller: where's this ? twatter ? [13:17]
thestringpuller pete_dushenski: slack. i'll post logs later [13:18]
pete_dushenski "a country with a per capita income that is 100% higher than another receives 130% more business travelers and sends 170% more people abroad. This means that business travel tends to grow more than proportionally with the level of development." << or maybe it just means that your 'per capita' bullshit is literally a mean metric of no practical value, just like the "people" it purports to measure. [13:19]
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PeterL would also depend on distribution of income [13:22]
pete_dushenski quite so, but don't let that get in the way of "the economist"'s story ! [13:22]
PeterL a country where everybody makes minimum wage would not send anybody abroad, a country with a few rich people would send them travelling [13:22]
pete_dushenski "More populous countries have more business travel in both directions, but the volume is less than proportional to their population: a country with 100% more population than another has only about 70% more business travel. This suggests that there are economies of scale in running businesses that favor large countries." << moar derps != more business. but impossibru !!1 [13:22]
pete_dushenski this obviously has less to do with economies of scale and more to do with quantity not being equal to quality. [13:24]
pete_dushenski but hey, that's racist and undemocratic [13:24]
PeterL do they address correlation vs causation? [13:24]
thestringpuller pete_dushenski: [13:24]
thestringpuller basically trace mayer states, MPEx is "doing it wrong" [13:25]
thestringpuller Dude reminds me of Dr. Foreskin a bit. [13:25]
pete_dushenski "Ricardo Hausmann, a former minister of planning of Venezuela and former Chief Economist of the Inter-American Development Bank, is Professor of the Practice of Economic Development at Harvard University, where he is also Director of the Center for International Development. He is Chair of the World Economic Forum's Global Agenda Meta-Council on Inclusive Growth." << peterl you think this guy's worried about tec [13:25]
pete_dushenski hnicalities like correlation and causation ? [13:25]
PeterL prolly not [13:26]
pete_dushenski hausmann has a story to tell about how and why poor countries suck, and it's not because they're untrained monkeys, it's because they need more phree airplanes or some shit [13:27]
pete_dushenski thestringpuller: /me reads [13:27]
pete_dushenski ya, trace is being willfully ignorant. what else is new. [13:30]
pete_dushenski if he wasn't, he'd be here. [13:30]
pete_dushenski since he's not in the wot, what choice does he have but to pretend like there are no monsters under the bed [13:30]
thestringpuller i found it odd he wanted mpex to produce balance sheets to see "cashflow" when he could just add up the dividends and know total profit distributed over the company's lifetime [13:31]
thestringpuller oh wait mike_c already did that [13:31]
pete_dushenski "Interestingly, countries in the developing world differ substantially in the amount of know-how they receive through business travel. For example, countries such as South Africa, Bulgaria, Morocco, and Mauritius receive much more know-how than countries at similar levels of development such as Peru, Colombia, Chile, Indonesia, or Sri Lanka." << probably time to reassess what "development levels" mean then eh. [13:33]
pete_dushenski via [13:33]
assbot Should Business Travel Be Obsolete? by Ricardo Hausmann - Project Syndicate ... ( ) [13:33]
PeterL "these countries are the same level because I said so, data does not matter" [13:34]
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mod6 !up ascii_butugychag [13:40]
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mod6 how goes it asciilifeform [13:41]
ascii_butugychag 2+hr in wheeled coffin [13:42]
ascii_butugychag (which had to be dug out ~twice~, 2nd time after bulldozer reburied it) [13:42]
ascii_butugychag but this is not interesting so much. [13:42]
PeterL it boggles my mind how much time you spend commuting, you sure it would not be easier to move closer to $job? [13:43]
mod6 you got stuck in the snow 2x this morning? [13:43]
ascii_butugychag mod6: aha [13:44]
mod6 sorry, that sucks. :/ [13:44]
ascii_butugychag PeterL: pretty much impossible [13:44]
mod6 don't they let you work from home when there is a blizzard? [13:44]
ascii_butugychag PeterL: constraints - i insist on living in a house, i insist on renting it, and i refuse to pay over half my wage for it [13:45]
ascii_butugychag mod6: only when the snow is falling or at least fresh [13:45]
mod6 huh.heesh. [13:46]
mod6 bah. "huh. sheesh" [13:47]
mod6 my terminal got all hosed up there for a sec. [13:47]
mod6 anyway, well at least you made it there. [13:48]
ascii_butugychag interestingly i appear to be the only one at $firm with any sort of serious commute [13:51]
ascii_butugychag (everybody else lives in $4-5k 'garçonnières' nearby) [13:52]
pete_dushenski "bah. "huh. sheesh"" << baksheesh ! [13:52]
PeterL does everybody else get paid more than you? [13:52]
ascii_butugychag pete_dushenski: i genuinely have no idea [13:52]
PeterL and is that $4-5k per month? [13:53]
ascii_butugychag pete_dushenski: where i live it is the ultimate taboo, to even hint at asking [13:53]
ascii_butugychag may as well take off your pants and shit right on the table [13:53]
mod6 i kinda wanna buy you this: [13:53]
ascii_butugychag but based on various clues, nobody is getting outlandishly rich [13:53]
assbot 1993 Bombardier Prinoth BR400 Plus : Resort Boneyard ... ( ) [13:54]
ascii_butugychag mod6: that thing is worth more than my organs [13:54]
mircea_popescu mircea_popescu: LOL Trace Mayer is critiquing << i have no idea who that is, but zhe'd better get with the program because i don't see a future for whatever wot she's in. [13:54]
pete_dushenski ascii_butugychag: i think you meant PeterL... [13:54]
ascii_butugychag ah yes [13:55]
pete_dushenski mod6: lel. i'd drive that to work [13:55]
mod6 it's over in OR, i'll have ben drive it over to yah :D [13:55]
mircea_popescu hausmann has a story to tell about how and why poor countries suck, and it's not because they're untrained monkeys, it's because they need more phree airplanes or some shit <<< venezuela is what happened after a gaddafi died of natural causes. yes the usg 5th column's unhappy that it has not yet been invited to save venezuela, they were predicting $$$ years ago. [13:56]
pete_dushenski trace mayer was behind armory, neh ? [13:56]
* mircea_popescu shrugs [13:56]
pete_dushenski << looks ~identical~ to pedo-'core' dood from mighty ducks [13:56]
assbot ... ( ) [13:56]
ascii_butugychag brockchain!11 [13:57]
pete_dushenski ^ [13:57]
mircea_popescu i tohught that was called a prince albert. it's brockchain now ? [13:58]
ascii_butugychag in honour of. [13:58]
pete_dushenski << oof. [13:59]
mircea_popescu mod6: that thing is worth more than my organs << typical alf. has collection of organs, complains about life. [13:59]
mircea_popescu we don't even have a single harmonica per capita over here yo! [13:59]
mircea_popescu damned capitalists. [13:59]
ascii_butugychag l0l i think that's knuth, no me [13:59]
ascii_butugychag *not [13:59]
mircea_popescu in other news, names like "trace mayer" SHOULD be obsolete. [14:00]
mircea_popescu get a fucking human name why don't you. what is this mug costanza and rifling jones bs. [14:00]
ascii_butugychag incidentally afaik knuth is the last living among the folks-who-made-usa-worth-not-glassing [14:00]
mircea_popescu unless of course there's some King Trace in the glorious history of that great nation of africa that i'm unfamiliar with. [14:01]
ascii_butugychag hey if we had a joe stack [14:01]
ascii_butugychag why not king trace. [14:01]
ascii_butugychag (is there a, e.g., henry heap?) [14:02]
mircea_popescu joe is fine. [14:02]
mircea_popescu trace, wtf is that. [14:02]
ascii_butugychag nfi [14:02]
mircea_popescu at least I HAVE A DAMNED GOOD REASON or twenty to make the zeroconf accounting rules. [14:02]
mircea_popescu what the fuck reason did mrs mayer have to eschew calling her boy rachel or whatever the fuck they do in her tribe. [14:02]
PeterL what kind of funny name is "Mircea"? [14:02]
mircea_popescu PeterL ah, but in the god forsaken country of romania, there's a bunch of kings called that. [14:03]
ascii_butugychag i imagine that if the modern shitworld somehow survived for another few centuries, there would be programmer names the way we currently have smith names [14:03]
PeterL so you can only name people after kings? [14:03]
ascii_butugychag e.g., smith, кузнецов, етц [14:03]
mircea_popescu ascii_butugychag i'm not fucking anything called "zero hacker" i'll tell you that. [14:03]
ascii_butugychag етц [14:03]
ascii_butugychag etc [14:03]
ascii_butugychag l0l [14:03]
mircea_popescu PeterL yes. you may only name kids after famous dead people. [14:03]
mircea_popescu either kings or saints. pick. [14:03]
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PeterL how about family members? [14:03]
mircea_popescu ascii_butugychag ftr it's etk not ettz [14:04]
mircea_popescu PeterL well familty members were named through the same process, so... [14:04]
PeterL Ok, then am I allowed to name my kid after my 19th century ancestor Heman? [14:05]
PeterL I keep trying to do this, but for some reason my wife shot that one down [14:05]
mircea_popescu PeterL you do notice the subtext here, do you ? [14:05]
ascii_butugychag mircea_popescu: eagle eyes. this was an artifact of my keyboard [14:05]
PeterL no, I am immune to subtext [14:05]
ascii_butugychag (the translit system on this box maps c/ц) [14:06]
mircea_popescu the subtext is that random derp with no skin in the game is running his mouth. [14:06]
PeterL and you can tell this by his name? [14:06]
mircea_popescu i can tell this by constructing a humorous equivalent ot his "mpex should", except mine is both actually funny and to a much larger degree defensible. [14:06]
pete_dushenski "In occasione della visita del presidente iraniano Hassan Rohani in Campidoglio sono state coperte da pannelli bianchi su tutti e quattro i lati alcune statue di nudi dei Musei Capitolini. La copertura sarebbe stata decisa come forma di rispetto alla cultura e sensibilità iraniana. Tanto che durante le cerimonie istituzionali non è stato servito nemmeno il vino." << "bow to your betters!" (tm) (r) [14:07]
mircea_popescu NEMMENOOO IL VINOOO!!11 [14:08]
mircea_popescu indignant talians. [14:08]
pete_dushenski who the fuck is rohani anyways ? charlemagne coming to save you ? [14:08]
mircea_popescu hey, i regularly order the slavegirls draped when friends visit [14:09]
mircea_popescu bwahahahaha [14:09]
mircea_popescu " Asking Price: $18,500" da fuck alfie, i had no idea you hold musical instruments in quite such low esteem. [14:10]
pete_dushenski that's what, 50 btc ? [14:10]
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pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: you're not italian enough i guess [14:11]
pete_dushenski or roman catholic [14:11]
mircea_popescu in vaguely related news, [14:11]
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mod6 pete_dushenski: yah ~ cost of seat @ MPEx [14:12]
pete_dushenski and less than one year of 'bloomberg terminal' (checked this out last night, it's $24k per annum) [14:13]
mod6 ah. [14:13]
pete_dushenski also discovered that 'terminal' only runs on WINBLOZE [14:13]
* mod6 pictures alf bashing cars out of his way as he traverses the beltway [14:13]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski scandalous innit. [14:14]
mod6 !up ascii_butugychag [14:14]
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pete_dushenski so they claim. maybe there's a linux workaround [14:14]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: though 'bloomberg anywhere' works on ios and android [14:14]
PeterL must run winblows VM on your linux box [14:14]
ascii_butugychag pete_dushenski: if 'not a poorfag', can hire a reverser and make linux client. [14:15]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: even more scandalous is that there's 300`000 dudes who post up this cash. every. year. [14:15]
ascii_butugychag if for some reason you need it. [14:15]
PeterL or get ascii_butugychag to reverse engineer something for you ;) [14:15]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski it's not 300k dudes. [14:15]
pete_dushenski ascii_butugychag: i'll pass that along to my phriends at goldman [14:15]
mircea_popescu i think there's fewer people paying their own bloomberg terminal than there's people with a legitimate research interest in ai. [14:16]
ascii_butugychag pete_dushenski: betcha gs requires all boxes to run winblowz [14:16]
ascii_butugychag like the rest of usg. [14:16]
mircea_popescu surely. [14:16]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: aha. 300k subscriptions... [14:16]
* mircea_popescu occasionally runs into midrange business derps who emit things such as "unlicensed computer" [14:16]
mircea_popescu cuz you know, "what if da police comes to inquire where your windows licenses are" [14:17]
* ascii_butugychag was the keeper of a linux cluster at a u.s. army thing and had a pile of magical spells, paperwork, etc. to keep the devils away from it [14:17]
mircea_popescu remarkable how this works. [14:17]
ascii_butugychag mircea_popescu: this is, or at least was, an actual thing in usa. 'spa' inspectors, demanding licenses [14:17]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: there were radio ads in canada maybe 3 years ago threatening "$100k fine per violation if w4rez discovered on sme bizniz comps" [14:18]
pete_dushenski 95% compliance just from threats, no need to act. [14:18]
mircea_popescu hey, i'm not the one living there. tell it to each other. [14:18]
pete_dushenski myea [14:19]
pete_dushenski ascii_butugychag: spa ? [14:20]
ascii_butugychag 'software publishers association' [14:20]
ascii_butugychag << holy fuck what [14:20]
assbot Logged on 26-01-2016 16:05:04; mircea_popescu: "Some experts have said the field of artificial intelligence is currently experiencing something of a golden age, with deep-learning neural networks making advances in both speech and image recognition." << well, more like a qe age. [14:20]
mircea_popescu ahahaha what. [14:20]
ascii_butugychag golden age?!! [14:20]
mircea_popescu shut up you don't understand how the world works. [14:20]
ascii_butugychag (there was a spiffy talk at shmoo, which mentioned how nn used in image recognition usually imprints on what - to a human - would be an entirely accidental cluster of pixels, and if you flip'em, it will recognize an obvious, e.g,. cat, as a refrigerator, etc) [14:22]
mircea_popescu so who the fuck cares what an "association" does. this reminds me of the faux ro animal police thing. of fame [14:22]
assbot In atentia I.G.P.P.A. - Autodenunt on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [14:22]
ascii_butugychag (somehow the conclusion that 'computers you can't program' don't belong in a security application, is lost on folks) [14:22]
ascii_butugychag mircea_popescu: it is/was (?) the software equivalent of riaa/mpaa [14:23]
mircea_popescu so ? [14:23]
mircea_popescu let them in, tie them to a steel girder, beat the shit out of them for six hours then call the cops and press charges. [14:23]
ascii_butugychag so, in usa ~being sued~ typically costs you your net worth + some, if you're a poorfag [14:23]
mircea_popescu at least, that's how i do it. [14:23]
mircea_popescu see above. [14:24]
ascii_butugychag mircea_popescu: with own hands ? [14:24]
mircea_popescu well supposedly it's a place of business, neh ? [14:24]
ascii_butugychag it gets away with whatever in exactly the same way as the usg it is a tendril of [14:24]
mircea_popescu no, just, you suck. [14:25]
mircea_popescu start beating the shit out of derps pretending to things, see the wunderbar world that emerges next week. [14:25]
ascii_butugychag last i checked, it was usg beating the shit out of derps pretending to sovereign [14:25]
mircea_popescu so far i'm having pie. [14:25]
mircea_popescu but hey, whatevs. [14:25]
mircea_popescu want a pic of my pie ? [14:25]
ascii_butugychag yes! [14:25]
PeterL "I'm just trying to ..." [14:25]
mircea_popescu aite. [14:26]
* ascii_butugychag has no pie here in the mine, but will enjoy a picture [14:26]
PeterL Yoda: There is no try. [14:26]
mircea_popescu as good excuse as any to have another slice. [14:26]
ascii_butugychag meanwhile, [14:28]
assbot Police officers flee angry mob in Swedish refugee center through back door — RT News ... ( ) [14:28]
mircea_popescu ascii_butugychag [14:30]
assbot ... ( ) [14:30]
mircea_popescu it's not a la mode because i didn't want to trigger you. [14:30]
mircea_popescu snowburial memories and all that [14:30]
ascii_butugychag mmmm [14:31]
ascii_butugychag i actually prefer shoveling snow to work. [14:31]
mircea_popescu you have that much in common with 1980s inteligentsia in the other usg. [14:32]
ascii_butugychag aha! [14:32]
ascii_butugychag i'd trade it for furnace stoking, also [14:32]
ascii_butugychag just like'em./ [14:33]
ascii_butugychag but see, in the other usg, you could actually take up those professions and still live like a white man [14:33]
ascii_butugychag furnace stoker, night watchman, etc. were beloved trades of thinking folk [14:34]
ascii_butugychag (paid same as engineer, believe it) [14:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14337 @ 0.00055581 = 7.9686 BTC [+] {3} [14:35]
mircea_popescu well yes, because racist empire. [14:35]
ascii_butugychag l0lwut [14:35]
mircea_popescu soviets had a russian > cecen thing going, as a matter of course if not as a matter of law. [14:38]
ascii_butugychag ah that, yes [14:38]
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mircea_popescu well that, yes. what do you think is always and forever at the fundament of " you could [] still live like a white man" ? [14:38]
mircea_popescu gotta define white man! through the exclusion of someone, somewhere. [14:39]
ascii_butugychag the man-vermin separation is the whole concept of civilization imho. [14:39]
ascii_butugychag rats can also outcompete man, as can roaches [14:39]
ascii_butugychag unless preemptively pushed out. [14:39]
ascii_butugychag this, like any operation against a thermodynamic gradient, is a fragile and temporary thing, and tends to end bloodily, but it is why we have computer and not fucking-goat [14:40]
ascii_butugychag incidentally, mircea_popescu has a mega-point in that su, unlike british empire, was self-contained, had own set of coolies [14:41]
ascii_butugychag (rural inhabitants fed the city but not permitted therein) [14:41]
ascii_butugychag most of'em were ethnically ru however [14:42]
ascii_butugychag but predatorial mountain men were shown their place, yes. [14:42]
mircea_popescu well yes, it is. or to quote... [14:42]
mircea_popescu hm, i can't find the one where i said that the only way to have "justice" is to oppress some derps, but anyway. [14:42]
ascii_butugychag su ran on the fumes of four centuries of derp-crushing [14:44]
ascii_butugychag just like 20th c. usa [14:44]
mircea_popescu [14:44]
mircea_popescu there we go [14:44]
assbot The SOPS, or what might you expect from government clerks on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [14:44]
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shinohai node is now running mod6 's latest patch, running beautifully o/ [14:46]
mircea_popescu :) [14:47]
pete_dushenski << speaking of earlier thread on 'oral tradition' [14:48]
assbot Time to recuperate this chauvinism thing. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [14:48]
pete_dushenski came up in search for 'no culture without oppression' quote [14:48]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla re email : yes there are contingency plans. no they will not be discussed, with anyone. not until after we've salted the earth where the last "parliament" / "presidential residence" etc stood. [14:48]
mod6 thanks for testing shinohai [14:51]
mircea_popescu ;;nethash [14:54]
gribble 966029265.422 [14:54]
pete_dushenski waiting to see exahash again ? [14:54]
mircea_popescu curious what happened there lol. [14:56]
pete_dushenski maybe 24hr qc test at factory facility before shipping to permanent data centre. [14:58]
ascii_butugychag << mpex submarine! six MIRV cones, any questions. [15:02]
assbot Logged on 26-01-2016 17:46:54; mircea_popescu: kakobrekla re email : yes there are contingency plans. no they will not be discussed, with anyone. not until after we've salted the earth where the last "parliament" / "presidential residence" etc stood. [15:02]
mircea_popescu more like "if you want a billet to help - the application desk is over there ; if not, isn't there some welfare line you sohuld be in ?" [15:04]
ascii_butugychag l0l there is application desk?! [15:05]
ascii_butugychag or is it a gag door, with pirannha pond on other side [15:06]
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mircea_popescu there is an application desk. [15:11]
adlai gribble's `nethash` rises and falls with luck and hashing. appears to be (or at least, have similar calculation as) the 3d window from [15:14]
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mircea_popescu iirc it is exactly that. [15:16]
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ascii_butugychag mircea_popescu: ok i'll bite. where do i apply. [15:19]
ascii_butugychag or is it only for cool kidz. [15:19]
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mircea_popescu you applied ~3 years ago. we're still waiting on delivery of the first item, aka the cardano. [15:46]
ascii_butugychag ah in that sense [15:47]
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mircea_popescu yes in that sense. what other sense ? [15:47]
mircea_popescu there is no other sense. [15:47]
mircea_popescu hope as they might that they'll get a certification to substitute absence of actual skill, the world still runs on physics rather than metaphysics. [15:47]
mircea_popescu and yes, i get it, everyone everywhere is holding their precious self in dear esteem and waiting for a better deal. [15:48]
mircea_popescu then there's a funeral, and a rehash of the process in younger derps. [15:48]
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ascii_butugychag on mircea_popescu's planet of immortal titans it might be different, but where i live there is ~always~ a funeral and a rehash of the process with younger derp [15:51]
mircea_popescu i meant of the specific "i'll wait for a better deal" process. [15:51]
ascii_butugychag in not entirely unrelated news, i'm reading mailz from world-phamous crypto guy and it is signed with 'android privary guard' [15:56]
ascii_butugychag i shit thee not [15:56]
ascii_butugychag *privacy [15:56]
ascii_butugychag maybe i am already in the insane asylum [15:56]
ascii_butugychag and belong there [15:57]
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mircea_popescu im sure it prevents any isis-eavesdropping [15:57]
ascii_butugychag nah no crypto [15:58]
ascii_butugychag just sig [15:58]
ascii_butugychag but srsly, wtf [15:58]
ascii_butugychag take me to where they keep the napoleons. [15:59]
mircea_popescu of course... suppose a man plays with a model car. is he insane now ? [16:00]
ascii_butugychag only if he tries to get in and drive ! [16:01]
ascii_butugychag and goes around bragging about his 'car' [16:01]
ascii_butugychag and offering rides [16:01]
trinque ascii_butugychag: << found him for you [16:03]
assbot ... ( ) [16:03]
PeterL << Beards are good for you [16:08]
assbot Are beards good for your health? - BBC News ... ( ) [16:08]
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mircea_popescu ascii_butugychag this is true. i suppose the matter is open to your evaluation, if he was actually driving the matchbox aroundf or not. [16:22]
ascii_butugychag it would appear that he was. [16:23]
ascii_butugychag blew my mind. [16:23]
kakobrekla mircea_popescu yeah i sent the guy to your logline. [16:24]
ascii_butugychag unrelatedly, anybody here ever harness ssd in raid box ? did they die in unison ? [16:24]
mircea_popescu ty kako [16:24]
mircea_popescu ascii_butugychag if you use at least 8, you get one that always dies first. [16:24]
mircea_popescu after this you have a few hours safe. [16:24]
kakobrekla i have ssds in raid but no deaths, just poor performance [16:25]
ascii_butugychag how did you get the 8 figure ? [16:25]
mircea_popescu replicating array of 4 [16:25]
mircea_popescu oh, it was empirically obtained, i didn't theoretically determine it. [16:25]
ascii_butugychag i've been running sets of 4 in raid5 (parity, lose-1) for about a decade [16:26]
ascii_butugychag but these were classical disks [16:26]
mircea_popescu what happens is that one dies, at which point you swap out not IT, but the whole bank. [16:26]
mircea_popescu then during the next week you'll be sweeping out the other bank too [16:26]
kakobrekla most all raid controlers idiotically need specific hdds for full speed performance [16:26]
ascii_butugychag kakobrekla: not 3ware [16:26]
ascii_butugychag (as far as i'm concerned, there is ONE manufacturer of raid cards) [16:27]
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ascii_butugychag mircea_popescu: so they burn like candles, huh. [16:27]
ascii_butugychag can keep time by it. [16:27]
mircea_popescu there's a one that leads the pack, then the bulk of failures, then a coupla heros left behind, fwis. [16:27]
mircea_popescu i suppose in pre-postindustrial world, only the heros would havge been shipped, but what can you do. [16:28]
ascii_butugychag and these were proper honest whole-box deaths, or just fail-to-write ? [16:28]
mircea_popescu misc [16:29]
kakobrekla does 3ware have something modern (not isa or pci slot) that doesnt cost an arm and a leg? [16:29]
mircea_popescu some actually bricked, some had bizarro but recoverable issues, etc. [16:29]
mircea_popescu iirc fail to write just allocates from the spare cells [16:29]
ascii_butugychag kakobrekla: yes [16:30]
ascii_butugychag kakobrekla: e.g., 9690 series [16:30]
* kakobrekla looks [16:30]
ascii_butugychag mircea_popescu: eventually runs out of spare cells [16:31]
ascii_butugychag then it gives error when writing block and ends up dropped from array [16:31]
mircea_popescu yeah but this is easy to check, better controllers say [16:31]
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hanbot rakanishux [16:33]
hanbot erm. [16:33]
mircea_popescu lol ? [16:33]
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ascii_butugychag waiwut [16:33]
ascii_butugychag hanbot gonna have to change launch codez now!11 [16:34]
mircea_popescu are you doing a diablo binge ? [16:34]
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mircea_popescu ahahahaha. what was the system calledm bishibosh ? [16:35]
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hanbot i admit nothing! (yes) [16:35]
mircea_popescu lol [16:36]
mod6 haha, workin on gettin that new box setup? [16:36]
thestringpuller hanbot: plays diablo? [16:36]
hanbot i was, yeah. and i used to, thestringpuller, sure. [16:37]
thestringpuller what does the universe intend to teach me tomorrow... [16:37]
mod6 hanbot: cool [16:37]
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ascii_butugychag mircea_popescu: i like raid5, among other reasons, because it makes life very painful for boobytrapped hdd supplier [16:42]
ascii_butugychag (it instead introduced boobytrapped raid card, but i can deal with those more easily) [16:42]
mircea_popescu i don't think i've ever used anything other than 1+0 combos. [16:43]
ascii_butugychag 5 is a lose-any-1-of-4 [16:47]
mircea_popescu 1-0 over eight is lose up to 4. [16:48]
ascii_butugychag idk, seems like you can lose a particular 4 and die [16:49]
mircea_popescu you can lose a particular 2 and die. [16:49]
ascii_butugychag well in my case ~any~ 2 [16:49]
mircea_popescu yes but 3 kills you fo sho. [16:49]
ascii_butugychag 2 kills my setup for sure [16:49]
mircea_popescu well, if you had 8, to compare apples the same size. [16:49]
ascii_butugychag ah [16:50]
mircea_popescu anyway, the arrangement is seriously boosted by the historical accident of spinning hdds. [16:50]
mircea_popescu it is practically impossible to get 3 dead, say "fix these so that you can reconstruct one out of these two" and not get it done. [16:50]
mircea_popescu if it comes to replacing fucking platters. [16:50]
ascii_butugychag ah when the vendors 'refurbish' and resell the crud ? [16:51]
mircea_popescu so realistically, if you've two or more failures, your odds of recovering from data loss are still well in the 80%+ range. [16:51]
mircea_popescu no, when magic worker in the saving data lab gets to carefully reconstruct hdds under inert gas. [16:52]
ascii_butugychag but whole point of raid is to avoid this [16:52]
ascii_butugychag or rather, to avoid having to load from the backup [16:52]
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mircea_popescu i don't like or trust fancy parity schemes. [16:52]
ascii_butugychag incidentally modern hdd doesn't recover worth shit [16:52]
mircea_popescu a reflection of my i don't like or trust raid controllers earlier stance [16:53]
ascii_butugychag but still like and trust hdd chipset ? [16:53]
ascii_butugychag go figure [16:53]
ascii_butugychag and a xor b xor c xor d is fancy ? [16:53]
mircea_popescu what can i tell ya. [16:54]
ascii_butugychag and i like the fact that no one hdd gets to decide what is in my boot sector. [16:54]
mircea_popescu this is a view not unlike democracy [16:54]
ascii_butugychag (and if it gets ideas, is immediately thrown) [16:54]
mircea_popescu "oh i like the fact that no one man decides what is in the lawbook" [16:54]
mircea_popescu o yeah ? [16:54]
ascii_butugychag 'voting circuit' is unfortunately the one and only way to make machine, that does not fail, out of shit parts. [16:55]
ascii_butugychag interestingly, it is possible to arrange the pieces in such a way that there is no voting circuit as such (as central point of failure) [16:59]
ascii_butugychag but not in von neumann pc, no. [16:59]
mircea_popescu hm ? [16:59]
ascii_butugychag ring topology. [16:59]
ascii_butugychag see 'firing squad problem.' [17:01]
mircea_popescu ternary computer with ring ram and ring disks huh ? [17:01]
ascii_butugychag aha. [17:02]
ascii_butugychag and now you know how!11 [17:02]
mircea_popescu poor minsky. [17:03]
mircea_popescu but in other ternary news, [17:04]
assbot ... ( ) [17:04]
ascii_butugychag btw minsky was quite possibly the most intellectually honest fella in the whole field [17:04]
ascii_butugychag in that he not only invented neural net, but single-handedly proved that his original conception (which meanwhile spawned a mega-research-bubble) was a dead end [17:05]
ascii_butugychag ;;google perceptron xor [17:05]
gribble Single-layer Neural Networks (Perceptrons) - School of Computing: ; XOR problem - homepage - AGH: ; Perceptron - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: [17:05]
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ascii_butugychag his proof is homework-classic today [17:05]
ascii_butugychag << see also. [17:06]
assbot History of the Perceptron ... ( ) [17:06]
ascii_butugychag minsky birthed it, and killed it [17:06]
ascii_butugychag (multilayer nn with backpropagation was invented ~much~ later) [17:07]
ascii_butugychag the only comparable monument to scientific honesty i know of was the fella on the other side of the ocean, in su, with polywater [17:08]
ascii_butugychag Derjaguin. [17:09]
ascii_butugychag Дерягин, Борис Владимирович. [17:09]
ascii_butugychag who discovered, and then ~undiscovered~, apologized for mistake, demolished bubble of charlatans. [17:09]
ascii_butugychag fell on grenade. [17:10]
ascii_butugychag compare with, e.g., p. r. blondlot [17:10]
ascii_butugychag of 'n-rays' fame. [17:10]
ascii_butugychag french physics was wanking over imaginary rays until he died ! [17:11]
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ascii_butugychag minsky, incidentally, also invented confocal microscope. and ocular display. [17:38]
ascii_butugychag and a few other things. [17:38]
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ben_vulpes [17:48]
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danielpbarron << not just logical. That is the official policy of the IRS according to their own documentation. That's why I stopped filing. [18:03]
assbot Logged on 26-01-2016 15:26:56; mircea_popescu: ~you~ "gotta" pay an accountant to keep IRS' files in order. wouldn't it be logical if THEY had to come to you with a "here's how much we think you owe and if we're wriong we'll goi do the math again" ? who's the sovereign here ? [18:03]
danielpbarron << the intersection of the sets "people who play Eulora" and "people who used to play Diablo" is well populated [18:04]
assbot Logged on 26-01-2016 19:34:52; thestringpuller: hanbot: plays diablo? [18:04]
ascii_butugychag danielpbarron: filing is optional if you work for gold dubloons, aha [18:05]
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ascii_butugychag and incidentally, it is well-known why american tax system is complicated and requires many precise calculations by the victim [18:06]
ascii_butugychag -- it is so that he gets a chance to fuck it up and pay mega-penalty [18:07]
ascii_butugychag (hiring an accountaint does not necessarily prevent this, by american law, accountant is not liable) [18:07]
ascii_butugychag this is why, even if you work for usg, they pay you and then you have to send the exact amount, ~calculated by you~, back... [18:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25750 @ 0.00055128 = 14.1955 BTC [+] {3} [18:11]
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jurov in other news, [18:15]
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PeterL I got my tax form from my previous emplyer yesterday, realized they had me down for 11 exemptions and withheld no fed taxes. [18:23]
PeterL (should have been 5 or 6) [18:23]
PeterL might actually end up owing fed taxes, usually i get several $k back at tax time from the feds [18:24]
trinque PeterL: it doesn't hurt to keep your own calculations on hand; I've had employers screw up in all directions [18:32]
trinque one switched payroll companies midway through the year, and somehow they both ended up filing a w2 on my behalf, roughly doubling the amount the feds expected to receive until I persuaded them otherwise [18:32]
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thestringpuller ascii_butugychag: yes. and the penalty for not paying is jail time with butt rapin' niggas. [18:35]
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ascii_butugychag thestringpuller: but in practice the folks who sit down in jail are white middle class types, for whom the amount owed is known exactly in real time by usg every time they get salary, and never mexican 'illegals' who work for bags of benjie. [18:50]
ascii_butugychag also typically the penalty is confiscation, jail is for especially uppity folks who are judged to have ~actively~ tried to cheat the crown [18:51]
danielpbarron you guys mean to say 'prison' ; 'jail' is temporary holding between arrest and trial [18:51]
ascii_butugychag prison. [18:52]
ascii_butugychag 'prison, like the grave, can find room for everyone' (tm) (r) (ru) [18:52]
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ascii_butugychag how goes, thestringpuller ? [19:57]
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thestringpuller ascii_butugychag: Spinning around in my chair screaming at excel. [20:20]
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thestringpuller no way to avoid microshit in a department full of Marketing girls. [20:20]
adlai ascii_butugychag: prison needs a sovereign benefactor to maintain, lest it "go private" (or become just a regular old dungeon pit) [20:22]
thestringpuller dungeon pits are kinda cool. [20:23]
ascii_butugychag it is interesting to read about how dungeon pits worked in the near east [20:23]
adlai mno. you want the one with the TV and complimentary pogoplugs [20:23]
ascii_butugychag they were not a long-term thing [20:23]
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* adlai must confess that the first reassuring thought that crossed his mind post-arrest was, after the initial shock wore off, "at least I get what Socrates was killed for deserving" [20:24]
ascii_butugychag generally you would not end up in one unless whoever put you there believed that someone will come up with the money to have you ransomed, or - alternatively - pay to have you put out of your misery [20:25]
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ascii_butugychag adlai: what were you in for ? [20:25]
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adlai ascii_butugychag: what happened to the future-corpses left to rot? [20:25]
ascii_butugychag wai wut [20:25]
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* adlai was arrested in targential connection with the international tulip trade... or was it some other flower? [20:26]
danielpbarron daffodil or amarylis perhaps [20:26]
adlai although "in" is a suggestive word, here. I wasn't "in" anything, my acquaintance with the jail/prison/dungeon/etc system is tangential, academic, etc [20:26]
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* adlai leaves the inside scoop to brave men such as chuckles shroom [20:27]
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ascii_butugychag adlai: are you familiar with my 'coke machine' hypothesis ? [20:27]
adlai !s from:ascii* coke [20:28]
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adlai (rings a bell but i'll have to verify) [20:28]
ascii_butugychag !s coke machine [20:28]
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ascii_butugychag i predicted that in the near future, some people (possibly including some of the folks here) may find themselves inside a kind of pit prison [20:29]
ascii_butugychag but fully automated [20:29]
ascii_butugychag for so long as a certain address has a positive btc balance, prisoner gets to eat. [20:29]
ascii_butugychag (the cost of the meals is determined on case by case basis) [20:30]
adlai whence the power bill once all the prisoners starve out of poverty and/or spite? [20:30]
adlai do you insert the btc buyers who paid power bill until today as the new victims? [20:30]
BingoBoingo I got my tax form from my previous emplyer yesterday, realized they had me down for 11 exemptions and withheld no fed taxes. << Shoulda made more children [20:30]
ascii_butugychag how the coin gets to the address, is not specified. perhaps it is posted on the walls of the prison. perhaps there is a place to key in private key. etc [20:30]
adlai human brains are terrible at this kind of task (mining/recalling private keys) [20:31]
ascii_butugychag anyway this is in the logz. [20:31]
adlai not that i'm much of an expert on torture, but my guess is that you want to "break" the victim as quickly as possible, get as many high-value keys in one messy week, then release spent shell as positive example for next victim [20:32]
ascii_butugychag no coin, no problem, the floor detects once you've quit breathing and opens to the ferment reactor. [20:32]
* adlai is reminded also of this one beckett play, ends with the mime waiting for fingernails to grow toa useful length [20:33]
ascii_butugychag how to price the meals, as i said, is a case-by-case matter, it will depend on the suspected net worth of the inmate, whether he has someone on the outside to supply ransom, etc. [20:33]
adlai all i'm saying is that this is not a sustainable business model [20:34]
adlai 0/10 would not reinvest [20:34]
ascii_butugychag like any other business, it is what you make of it. [20:34]
ascii_butugychag catch just one ulbricht and you pay back 10,000 years of running empty. [20:34]
adlai aha, it's not a business model... it's a business ~venture~. a lottery. [20:35]
ascii_butugychag 'lottery' is a term generally reserved for -EV propositions. [20:35]
* adlai refrains from continuing the "1984 was not a how-to manual" department [20:35]
ascii_butugychag if adlai knows how to rigorously prove the 'coke machine' to be -EV, i would like to hear. [20:36]
adlai hmm,i'm not sure i like that connotation. can't lotteries be 0EV, zero-sum games? [20:36]
ascii_butugychag because, for instance, it will soften the chances of us ending up in one [20:37]
ascii_butugychag adlai: in practice, it has to be worth somebody's while to run the game [20:37]
ascii_butugychag hence no 0sum lottery. [20:37]
danielpbarron what use is anyone in such a pit? why would anyone pay into it? [20:37]
ascii_butugychag whaddayamean what use [20:37]
* adlai defers to an oft-repeated meniism: "if you care about friendly AI, donate to stephen wolfram" (or was it that other fanfic author?) [20:37]
ascii_butugychag he coughs up coin [20:37]
ascii_butugychag or persuades friends, relatives, to do it on his behalf. [20:38]
danielpbarron right, why would the friends do it [20:38]
adlai ascii_butugychag: would you call bitcoin mining a lottery? [20:38]
* adlai would [20:38]
danielpbarron why be friends with a pit dweller? [20:38]
ascii_butugychag danielpbarron: presumably he was your friend ~before~ [20:38]
danielpbarron yeah was being the key word there [20:38]
adlai danielpbarron: iiuc you don't befriend them out of pity, you cough up coin to get your friend back outside of the matchbox [20:39]
ascii_butugychag at any rate, this is a bog-standard minor variation on the ancient theme of kidnapping, with the added twist that the victim can pay his own ransom [20:39]
danielpbarron so ransom-wet-ware ? [20:39]
ascii_butugychag aha. [20:39]
danielpbarron well this is the first mention of the possibility of escape [20:39]
ascii_butugychag but as with the old pit dungeons ('zindan') of bukhara, etc. the 'escape' part is optional [20:40]
adlai allowing inmates communication with the outside world (cf "dear dad, send money") widens the scope beyond even my analytic capabilities [20:40]
ascii_butugychag adlai: that is part of the scheme, yes. schmuck can go and beg for ransom to keep him alive (or alternatively to pay for a faster death) [20:40]
polarbeard cubechain, like cube but with the blockchain [20:40]
polarbeard it follows the current trend, we will soon watch it in cinemas [20:41]
ascii_butugychag there is certainly precedent; englishmen subjected to the peine forte et dure were sometimes permitted to invite relatives, friends, to add weights or jump on the plank [20:41]
adlai hypercubechain, entered by unsuspecting cashers-out when they tour their newly-built homes :D [20:42]
adlai paying for a faster death seems a sounder business model, cf 'death with dignity' [20:42]
adlai "all btc" is finite, forever; "btc movable by inmate" is finite per inmate; latter decreases an inmates remain. at some point inmate must know they'll run out of starvation preventatives, and it's just cost optimization for everybody involved to opt out [20:44]
adlai s/an inmates remain/as long as inmates remain alive, paying out their btc/ [20:45]
polarbeard I like how cube's cover spoils all the movie in four words: 'fear paranoia suspicion desesperation' [20:45]
polarbeard that's literally it [20:45]
adlai so the only way i see this being a +EV sustainable enterprise, rather than a "let's hope the next one is hal finney's long-lost grandson", is if you entrap dearly beloved members of families/clans prepared to enter indentured servitude to keep the inmate alive [20:46]
ascii_butugychag for completeness, the operating cost of the coke machine cannot be assumed to be zero [20:47]
adlai right, you need slave income > power bill [20:47]
ascii_butugychag works best as an institution at the heart of an evil empire with massive standing army, etc. [20:48]
ascii_butugychag (gotta have some way of keeping folks from simply busting people out. as usg famously failed to do in iraq.) [20:48]
adlai slavery is unsustainable when overleveraged [20:49]
ascii_butugychag 'market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent' (tm) (r) [20:49]
polarbeard a cheap way would be to actually destroy your physical body and upload your mind to a virtual torture chamber [20:49]
adlai fwiw original quote is s/you/$0 or i/ [20:49]
mircea_popescu << and look at all the difference that made, too! [20:50]
assbot Logged on 26-01-2016 20:03:12; ascii_butugychag: in that he not only invented neural net, but single-handedly proved that his original conception (which meanwhile spawned a mega-research-bubble) was a dead end [20:50]
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adlai polarbeard: this is not self-inflicted. a being capable of simulating your mind/soul/etc should be able to drain your btc and subsequently reclaim wasted resources [20:50]
adlai in other words, if the coke machine is +EV, then bitcoin's Existence will at least prove that "but he loves you" (carlin) [20:51]
polarbeard that's why it would be cheap, the torturing is only for keeping the mind busy while the program inspects it [20:51]
ascii_butugychag mircea_popescu: minsky's proof bulldozed funding for 'ai' for many years; often called the first 'ai winter' [20:52]
mircea_popescu sure. [20:52]
mircea_popescu if we wish to credit phenomena with intension, it did. [20:52]
mircea_popescu and ? [20:52]
* adlai notes that "full program obfuscation", like "fully homomorphic encryption", Exists less than even Bitcoin [20:53]
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* ascii_butugychag begins to see where mircea_popescu is going with this [20:53]
adlai ascii_butugychag: fwiw, Bitcoin is its own (decentralized, to boot!) coke machine [20:54]
ascii_butugychag and yes, minsky had nfi that he would thermonuke the whole racket [20:54]
ascii_butugychag but he ~could~ have derped on, as many do, despite knowing that the perceptron is provably useless [20:54]
ascii_butugychag and did not. [20:54]
adlai and here by "Bitcoin" i mean b,tmsr~, along with all the human rabble trailing along its fringes,and their fringes, and theirs, all the way out to the eight billionth... one giant wetware cokemachine. [20:55]
mircea_popescu << yeah, note the recently re-activated bitcoinica scammer. [20:55]
assbot Logged on 26-01-2016 21:13:29; jurov: in other news, [20:55]
adlai "want your next meal to include complimentary vintage symbolics memorabilia? donate extra 3 btc" [20:56]
ascii_butugychag adlai: is this a reference to how i'd like my lisp machine to be brought as weight to me peine forte et dure ? [20:57]
ascii_butugychag because i would like to request this. [20:57]
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mircea_popescu << it still imports vanilla xml doesn't it ? [20:58]
assbot Logged on 26-01-2016 23:18:22; thestringpuller: ascii_butugychag: Spinning around in my chair screaming at excel. [20:58]
adlai it's a reference to 'et omnia ex machina', if i may (deus ex machina meets vanitas vanitatis) [20:58]
mircea_popescu you could do xml instead!!111!1 [20:58]
adlai xml is too context-unaware, these days all the cool scams use RDF [20:59]
mircea_popescu << dude could you be any more of a retarded camwhore, seriously. [21:01]
assbot Logged on 26-01-2016 23:24:47; adlai: although "in" is a suggestive word, here. I wasn't "in" anything, my acquaintance with the jail/prison/dungeon/etc system is tangential, academic, etc [21:01]
mircea_popescu are we all vague and mysterious and shit ? whoopee. [21:01]
adlai ascii_butugychag: so, even if no single Sovereign invests in building and powering a coke machine (or worst - CMaaS! cloud coking! etc), my point is that the collected actions of all eight billion / fifteen thousand / etc sovereigns does turn the rock into a bit of a coke machine [21:01]
* adlai is "in the logs" describing the full episode, it's too long to fit in the margins of these. tl;dr: police visited, invited me along so nicely i couldn't refuse, but went home the next day. as danielpbarron pointed out, jail /= prison [21:03]
ascii_butugychag adlai: when ? [21:03]
adlai early january 2014. i don't remember the exact date and frankly don't feel like trying to recall it. [21:03]
mircea_popescu !search from:adlai prison [21:04]
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* adlai celebrated "significantly more than two years" instead of astronomically precise anniversaries [21:04]
mircea_popescu nope, nothing 2014. [21:04]
adlai lol i don't think kako invited me here until months later [21:05]
mircea_popescu so then it's not in the logs. [21:05]
adlai thus the scare quotes, and distinction from ~these~ [21:05]
mircea_popescu isn't lying fun. [21:05]
adlai cue "there is no logs but Logs, and you will have no other logs but these" [21:05]
adlai en teh archaea - fiat logos [21:06]
mircea_popescu mno. cue "it is the halmark of unemployed aluminum siding salesmen to try and pretend " are "". [21:06]
ascii_butugychag dafuq is a 'fiat log' [21:06]
adlai mircea_popescu: you know the "three things you can watch forever: fire burning, water flowing, people working"? needs an addition, "people bullshitting" [21:06]
ascii_butugychag the kind dropped into toilet ? [21:06]
mircea_popescu no idea what indiancandy school you went to, but no. nobody cares about specifically female retardation. it's not fascinating, nor sexy, nor even remotely interesting. [21:07]
adlai ascii_butugychag: mishmash of fiat (latin) and logos (greek) [21:07]
mircea_popescu learn a trade already. [21:07]
ascii_butugychag i thought adlai ~had~ a trade - tank mechanic [21:08]
* adlai trades time for time and sometimes btc trickle in. that is all, since this conversation doesn't seem to be helping anybody anymore [21:08]
adlai 'tank' [21:08]
* adlai is more of a mechanic than he'd like, something something for insects [21:08]
adlai !down [21:09]
adlai !down adlai [21:09]
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mircea_popescu << ahahaha this should be in teh bash. [21:11]
assbot Logged on 26-01-2016 23:32:25; ascii_butugychag: like any other business, it is what you make of it. [21:11]
BingoBoingo ;;later tell davout good job [21:11]
gribble The operation succeeded. [21:11]
assbot ELI5: "Wouldn't it be extremely inefficient to copy every single coffee purchase on everyone's computer?" : Bitcoin ... ( ) [21:11]
mircea_popescu ahaha this is epic. [21:12]
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mircea_popescu are all the imbeciles answering actually davout's alt accounts ? [21:13]
mircea_popescu because this is just too fucking good lmao, like self-building comedy goldcube. [21:13]
mircea_popescu "oh, isn't it inefficient to buy everyone a cup" [21:14]
BingoBoingo comedy hypergoldcube [21:15]
mircea_popescu [–]solled [score hidden] 26 minutes ago [21:16]
mircea_popescu Wouldn't it be extremely inefficient to manufacture a paper cup for everyone's coffee? That would be millions of paper cups per day, only to be used once. Coffee will never work. [21:16]
mircea_popescu meanwhile disappeared, in my stale page. [21:16]
mircea_popescu that's the logic of the great internet nation of teh phillipines! [21:16]
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BingoBoingo For serious. I should totally move there. Would be great for de-USing my brain all of this other stupidity. [21:20]
ascii_butugychag BingoBoingo: philippines is ~preview of near future usa~ [21:21]
mircea_popescu nah, argentina is. [21:21]
BingoBoingo ascii_butugychag: Nah, it is like Australia alt USA lab [21:21]
mircea_popescu phillipines is preview of future of china in an alt-world where the us didn't go to shit. [21:21]
ascii_butugychag argentina isn't a squalid pisshole complete with free-range islamic nutters [21:21]
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BingoBoingo ascii_butugychag: They are pretty much all on one island [21:22]
BingoBoingo It's Indonesia where they are spread about [21:22]
mircea_popescu depends on your perception. [21:22]
mircea_popescu people were happy historically in all sorts of environments. [21:22]
BingoBoingo Cambodia seemed interesting, but dunno how I feel about multidrug resistant P. Falciprum [21:23]
ascii_butugychag that's the thing. ^ pisshole status is quite objectice. [21:23]
ascii_butugychag *objective [21:23]
mircea_popescu orly ? [21:23]
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mircea_popescu how come you fail to identify argentina then ? [21:23]
ascii_butugychag because it is a function of two inputs, the traveller and the destination. [21:24]
mircea_popescu so then how is it objective ?! [21:24]
mircea_popescu relativistic objectivity ? [21:24]
ascii_butugychag mathematics!111 [21:24]
mircea_popescu lol. [21:24]
* ascii_butugychag is perpetrating this horror on the other side of desk, it is difficult to fully contain [21:24]
polarbeard neat, I'm using 'relativistic objectivity' in my next discussion for sure. [21:25]
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ascii_butugychag jurov: this from mod6's patch?! [21:26]
jurov no, from my own mempool patch [21:27]
ascii_butugychag ah [21:27]
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jurov ascii_butugychag: how big slowdown is that? [21:28]
jurov !up ascii_butugychag [21:28]
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jurov should i leave it overnight? [21:28]
jurov (original crashes after a minute) [21:28]
ascii_butugychag jurov: considerable. the thing probably won't keep time. [21:29]
ascii_butugychag but it doesn't hurt to try. [21:30]
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punkman << more sipa than everyone else combined? [21:33]
assbot Logged on 26-01-2016 21:13:29; jurov: in other news, [21:33]
punkman also surprised that Gavin didn't write more lines than Satoshi [21:35]
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BingoBoingo Why would infestation coordinator need to write many lines himself? [21:43]
mircea_popescu he did some vocal "community organizing" work at first, but.. [21:51]
mircea_popescu sipa dumped tons and tons of code, most of which is shit. [21:51]
mircea_popescu !s gauss notebook [21:58]
assbot 0 results for 'gauss notebook' : [21:58]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform do you happen to recall where the original thread was ? [21:58]
mircea_popescu in "the logs" [21:58]
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mircea_popescu ah tis found ty. [22:19]
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* asciilifeform home in record time - because usg was closed, no cars... [22:40]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: << here you go [22:41]
assbot Logged on 05-03-2014 23:12:13; asciilifeform: people who regularly have ideas usually have fat notebooks full of strange [22:41]
asciilifeform ah he found it, nm [22:41]
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assbot "No Cost" License Plate Readers Are Turning Texas Police into Mobile Debt Collectors and Data Miners | Electronic Frontier Foundation ... ( ) [22:46]
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punkman "The government agency in turn gives Vigilant access to information about all its outstanding court fees, which the company then turns into a hot list to feed into the free ALPR systems. As police cars patrol the city, they ping on license plates associated with the fees. The officer then pulls the driver over and offers them a devil’s bargain: get arrested, or pay the original fine with an [22:47]
punkman extra 25% processing fee tacked on, all of which goes to Vigilant." [22:47]
polarbeard sex between gov and corp is incest [22:49]
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mircea_popescu ty asciilifeform [23:18]
mircea_popescu !up srijan [23:18]
-assbot- You voiced srijan for 30 minutes. [23:18]
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mircea_popescu you can talk in here. [23:18]
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srijan thanks mircea_popescu [23:32]
srijan hi everyone, I am a PhD student and I am looking for some help regarding the WoT network used here. Who should I be talking to ? [23:32]
mircea_popescu well, this is the best place, ask your question ? [23:32]
srijan is there any information about rating changes and rating deletions anywhere? [23:33]
mircea_popescu yes, it's in the log. [23:34]
mircea_popescu !s from:assbot rated [23:34]
assbot 154 results for 'from:assbot rated' : [23:35]
mircea_popescu see also [23:35]
mircea_popescu !s from:assbot " Successfully updated the rating" [23:35]
assbot 123 results for 'from:assbot " Successfully updated the rating"' : [23:35]
srijan okay [23:36]
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srijan so the wot here: is the current snapshot? [23:36]
assbot Index of /wot/ ... ( ) [23:36]
mircea_popescu i would expect so. see also [23:37]
assbot WoT Overview - Btc Alpha ... ( ) [23:37]
srijan is the btcalpha wot and btc-assets wot the same thing? [23:38]
srijan *are the [23:38]
mircea_popescu yes. [23:38]
srijan ah i see [23:38]
srijan what should I search for deletion of rating? [23:39]
mircea_popescu deletions per se are rare. generally people just replace. [23:39]
srijan alrighty [23:39]
srijan thanks! [23:39]
mircea_popescu but you can see [23:40]
mircea_popescu !s unrate [23:40]
assbot 134 results for 'unrate' : [23:40]
srijan great thanks! [23:41]
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felipelalli mircea_popescu, do you still consider Bitcoin OTC WoT (not assbot WoT) important to the Bitcoin community or not more? [23:43]
mircea_popescu i don't really use it. [23:43]
felipelalli mircea_popescu, that's why I asked you. But why? [23:43]
mircea_popescu well, i like this one better, what can i say. [23:44]
felipelalli In this post is very inspiring to me, and you said at that time that Bitcoin OTC WoT was very important. You don't think so anymore or the assbot WoT fully meets? For a new Bitcoin business, the OTC WoT is still important? [23:46]
assbot So you think you're going to start a Bitcoin business, right? ... ( ) [23:46]
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mircea_popescu felipelalli i do think it's very important, yes. [23:49]
danielpbarron the b-a WoT is the same as the one in that post; the fork happened afterwards [23:51]
felipelalli thank you mircea_popescu! danielpbarron, yes, I remember, I was here when this fork was made. I remember some conversation about gribble being too much offline and another bot was necessary. Am I wrong? [23:53]
felipelalli Not another bot, but another WoT, sorry. [23:53]
danielpbarron something like that; and I personally prefer assbot's authentication method to gribble's [23:53]
mircea_popescu what happened is - we used gribble wot. then gribbe was offline unexpectedly, and its maintainer wasn't talking. he was traveling at the time, as we later found out. nevertheless, for those few days the situation was indistinguishable from an attack and so we made a replacement. [23:54]
danielpbarron idk if it finally got fixed but it was the case that all someone needed to do was compromise your irc client and they could hijack your WoT identity [23:54]
mircea_popescu there was some talk about harmonizing the two, but i don't think the guy has any time to be doing maintenance, or any interest for that matter, so... [23:54]
mircea_popescu there are specific choices in how gribble handles security that were expedient for a long time, but no longer acceptable, so it'd have to be rewritten. until it isn't, i would think it more like a play sort of thing. [23:55]
mircea_popescu decent to learn on, i suppose. [23:55]
felipelalli like the session in gribble, I guess. [23:56]
asciilifeform achtung, panzers! [23:57]
asciilifeform [23:57]
assbot [BTC-dev] Tinyscheme Genesis, Cleanup, and Fixes. ... ( ) [23:57]
asciilifeform ^^^ ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al ^^^ [23:57]
mircea_popescu iinteresting [23:58]
asciilifeform i forgot to put the skull and crossbones in there [23:59]
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