Forum logs for 25 Oct 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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mircea_popescu	TheNewDeal notrly.	[00:04]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: the idea is for people to be able to go "i support the bitcoin foundation" and for derps to go oh, this thing ? and for people to lol superiorly at their cluelessness. << fwiw i can see it.	[00:06]
jurov	options between x.eur/mpexbtc are doable. but no one is willing to put his balls into there	[00:07]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9850 @ 0.00073863 = 7.2755 BTC [-]	[00:07]
mircea_popescu	"''THE BITCOIN FOUNDATION'' will endeavour to provide these, while fostering	[00:08]
mircea_popescu	community growth and development, under the general principle that if and	[00:08]
mircea_popescu	when any other thing conflicts with Bitcoin, that other thing must either be	[00:08]
mircea_popescu	discontinued or ammended in such a way as to no longer conflict with Bitcoin."	[00:08]
mircea_popescu	methinks amend takes one m	[00:08]
mircea_popescu	otherwise seems pretty cool.	[00:08]
mircea_popescu	shouldn't have something about budget ?	[00:08]
ben_vulpes	charter first, budget later	[00:09]
ben_vulpes	if there's a budget, something can be said about it	[00:09]
mircea_popescu	a promise should be made for accounts publishing at the least	[00:10]
mircea_popescu	to differentiate from the scam currently masquerading as a bitcoin "foundation"	[00:10]
ben_vulpes	well then the thing wants a treasurer as well.	[00:10]
asciilifeform	wai wat budget ?	[00:10]
ben_vulpes	's what i said.	[00:10]
asciilifeform	budget for what? coffee?	[00:10]
mircea_popescu	bounties i guess ? i dunno. mostly to satisfy the people who would like to contribute but have no skills/time to offer.	[00:11]
ben_vulpes	dns, hosting	[00:11]
mircea_popescu	not like the chairs have to spend it. it can end up like fcuking princeton, owning a billion dolars in investments.	[00:11]
ben_vulpes	f9beb4d9.org << btw	[00:11]
asciilifeform	i'm not even convinced this needs hosting	[00:11]
thestringpuller	^- would be interesting to not have it hosted anywhere	[00:12]
asciilifeform	just a bag of shit passed round'nround	[00:12]
asciilifeform	signed by, well, people	[00:12]
ben_vulpes	jurov's list at least	[00:12]
ben_vulpes	sure that's a slice less complexity	[00:13]
ben_vulpes	no site no css no problem	[00:13]
jurov	lol passing it as lore?	[00:13]
asciilifeform	passed like a bottle	[00:14]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/usgavin-the-lolcow/#comment-109197 << gotta love all this "expertise"	[00:15]
assbot	USGavin, the lolcow pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[00:15]
thestringpuller	+asciilifeform> just a bag of shit passed round'nround	[00:15]
mircea_popescu	"o, mp, what would be ~your~ suggestion for fixing this problem we invented ?!?!? huh ?!?!?"	[00:15]
thestringpuller	asciilifeform just a bag of shit passed round'nround << what's with the obsession with poop?	[00:15]
mircea_popescu	"i dunno... kiling you and fucking your mother again, maybe this time she spits out something functional"	[00:16]
asciilifeform	cpp code is what, exactly, if not excrement	[00:16]
jurov	thestringpuller: you know, anal stage	[00:16]
asciilifeform	show me the programmer who's passed anal stage	[00:16]
thestringpuller	;;google jim leahy shit-isms	[00:16]
gribble	Jim Lahey's Shitisms - YouTube: ; Shit Analogies 101 - YouTube: ; Jim Lahey's Shit Storm - YouTube:	[00:16]
jurov	as coined by norman mailer iirc	[00:16]
asciilifeform	and i'll show you a coprophagiac.	[00:16]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[00:16]
mircea_popescu	oral phase is AFTER anal phase yo.	[00:16]
asciilifeform	precisely.	[00:17]
mircea_popescu	where by after we mean afore.	[00:17]
mircea_popescu	oral stage's the first.	[00:17]
asciilifeform	for programmer - after.	[00:17]
mircea_popescu	and the third then is ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVtapIMHTXs	[00:18]
assbot	Viata de care noi nu stim - YouTube	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	(du-te-n pizda ma-tii, go in[to] your mother's cunt)	[00:19]
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mircea_popescu	!up brayden	[00:25]
-assbot-	You voiced brayden for 30 minutes.	[00:25]
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mircea_popescu	!s sierra leone	[00:26]
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asciilifeform	who can remember how to force 'diff' to create patch that removes binary files?	[00:29]
asciilifeform	without crapping in the output	[00:30]
ben_vulpes	diffing whole trees?	[00:31]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu speaking of commenter "expertise" : http://www.contravex.com/2014/03/31/biting-into-the-wot-elephant-and-irc-nicknames/#comment-3870	[00:31]
assbot	Biting Into The WoT Elephant (And IRC Nicknames) \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski	[00:31]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes; yes	[00:31]
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ben_vulpes	meep.	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski i have no idea wtf he's saying.	[00:32]
pete_dushenski	problems!	[00:33]
pete_dushenski	they're everywhere!	[00:33]
pete_dushenski	sorta like oxygen, tis all around us.	[00:33]
asciilifeform	no one knows answer?	[00:34]
asciilifeform	because not only i, but anyone who'd agree to do this in my place, will need this answer.	[00:34]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: do they have common suffixes?	[00:34]
asciilifeform	?	[00:34]
ben_vulpes	the binaries	[00:34]
asciilifeform	trying to include a zap for the entire qt dir	[00:34]
asciilifeform	which contains png turdlets	[00:35]
asciilifeform	diff -uNr does not zap these	[00:35]
ben_vulpes	-x ?	[00:35]
ben_vulpes	documentation for diffutils suggests --exclude or -x (pattern)	[00:36]
thestringpuller	asciilifeform you are good at the turdisms...do you have a list somewhere?	[00:36]
asciilifeform	no good.	[00:36]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: i just want the cursed thing gone	[00:36]
asciilifeform	without having to specify it	[00:36]
ben_vulpes	command line hell	[00:36]
asciilifeform	or rather, its contents	[00:36]
ben_vulpes	my life	[00:36]
asciilifeform	i mean wtf, do i have to distribute perl scripts instead of diffs?	[00:37]
asciilifeform	and who will agree to run them?	[00:37]
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ben_vulpes	assume no qt?	[00:40]
asciilifeform	i want a 100 percent mechanical a->b.	[00:41]
asciilifeform	using unix patch, fuckit	[00:41]
asciilifeform	if this is not possible, unix patch is retarded.	[00:41]
ben_vulpes	what is a in this context? 0.5.3?	[00:41]
asciilifeform	yes.	[00:41]
asciilifeform	https://codeload.github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/legacy.tar.gz/v0.5.3	[00:41]
asciilifeform	sha256 == aab1f8ea8c7f131ff69dfa3b9437ba35531018be760132dd6373f41a591f6382	[00:42]
asciilifeform	but it doesn't matter specifically	[00:42]
asciilifeform	just want to remove a dir with binaries, and have the resulting diff file reflect this fact	[00:42]
asciilifeform	in such a way that 'patch' applies it.	[00:42]
asciilifeform	try it with just a dir with a turd from /dev/null in it.	[00:43]
asciilifeform	*/dev/zero	[00:43]
asciilifeform	or random, whatever	[00:43]
cazalla	mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: cazalla: http://www.dailydot.com/crime/silk-road-murder-charges-ross-ulbricht/ <<<< cazalla this totally needs all the research you can throw at it. what the fuck is the story there, they got raped on the "undercover" work ? how ? why ? major point loss for the omni-impotent usg. <<< please to be sending tech/law leads to BingoBoingo	[00:44]
assbot	The mystery of the disappearing Silk Road murder charges	[00:44]
cazalla	jurov: cazalla how is cryptomoneyexpo different from all the other chumpferences? <<< it's not, it's a bunch of friends using bots to fill up their habbo hotel to bang coinfire outta 10k	[00:45]
mircea_popescu	cazalla good point	[00:45]
cazalla	mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2014/10/BTAgent-cpe-backdoor.htm <<< this shit's pretty insane. cazalla i think we want to show some support ? <<< BB better suited to these leads	[00:46]
mircea_popescu	without having to specify it <<< ahhahahaha.	[00:46]
mircea_popescu	take a seat son.	[00:46]
asciilifeform	without having to specify the contents!	[00:46]
asciilifeform	want to delete turd by path.	[00:46]
cazalla	i mean, i could masquerade of having some understanding and write something up but i'd rather not	[00:46]
asciilifeform	not by magic	[00:46]
asciilifeform	but seems like posix diff is actually retarded, and cannot operate on file system basis at all, but only by lines!	[00:47]
mircea_popescu	diff only works by line.	[00:47]
mircea_popescu	there's some derivatives tho iirc.	[00:47]
asciilifeform	thought so.	[00:47]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, others: you must appreciate why this is necessary. it is direly important. our patch set must start with a known, traditional tree, and end with the end product.	[00:47]
asciilifeform	no manual monkey business, nothing specified 'in human language' other than 'run this like so.'	[00:47]
asciilifeform	or no sane man with skin in the game will use it.	[00:48]
asciilifeform	pedigree.	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	i don't dispute its important	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	im bemused by your apparent expectation for it to be easy	[00:48]
asciilifeform	did not expect easy. in fact, undertook this exercise partly from ulterior motive to demonstrate the sheer amount of braindamage.	[00:49]
asciilifeform	i want people to see what i spoke of when said 'cannot polish turd'	[00:49]
asciilifeform	on their own hides.	[00:49]
asciilifeform	'flush_turds.sh' it is.	[00:50]
asciilifeform	until someone suggests alternative.	[00:50]
ben_vulpes	nope.	[00:51]
asciilifeform	incidentally, there's a larger lesson here. folks have been using 'version control' gizmos for so long, that approximately no one even notices that 'diff' is broken.	[00:51]
asciilifeform	don't believe? search the net.	[00:51]
asciilifeform	no complaints whatsoever, that i was able to find, about deleting bins.	[00:51]
ben_vulpes	no asciilifeform you've got it all wrong!	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	yeah you don't understand how the world works.	[00:52]
ben_vulpes	"don't commit binaries to VCS!"	[00:52]
asciilifeform	ehehe.	[00:52]
ben_vulpes	"why?"	[00:52]
mircea_popescu	fucking russkies will be the end of the civilised world.	[00:52]
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ben_vulpes	"diff and patch can't handle binaries. so don't commit them, duh."	[00:52]
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asciilifeform	'don't commit binaries' - where do people keep bitmaps? up their arses?	[00:55]
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ben_vulpes	oh no, they commit them.	[00:56]
asciilifeform	...and?	[00:56]
ben_vulpes	along with database passwords	[00:56]
asciilifeform	what do the diffs end up looking like?	[00:56]
ben_vulpes	horrible.	[00:56]
ben_vulpes	people committing binaries are also using Github or other tools that paper over the horror.	[00:57]
asciilifeform	try to appreciate how i got here. i want --short-- diffs.	[00:57]
asciilifeform	that you, i, mircea_popescu, putin, whoever, can read.	[00:57]
asciilifeform	as in, actually read.	[00:57]
asciilifeform	short as in - not much more than levenshtein distance between the trees.	[00:57]
asciilifeform	if we have a meg of extraneous turd in a diff, then we're in 'infinity' in the one, two, three, infinity hierarchy of being.	[00:59]
asciilifeform	of weight.	[00:59]
asciilifeform	meaning, does not fit in head.	[00:59]
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asciilifeform	meaning, we may as well be asking folks to run arbitrary binary turd that mr. sp4mz0r built in his cellar, for winblows 98.	[00:59]
jurov	asciilifeform: what about two diffs, one with only removed files	[00:59]
jurov	and other one with other changes	[00:59]
asciilifeform	jurov: i want a single 'nixed qt' diff, for example.	[01:00]
asciilifeform	and it ought to be about 1kb long.	[01:00]
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asciilifeform	i'm getting 2MB !	[01:00]
asciilifeform	because png fucktardation	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/modern-medicine-and-the-benefits-of-democracy/ << this piece is guaranteed to get you thinking.	[01:00]
assbot	Modern medicine and the benefits of democracy pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[01:00]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: re: article: 'the hunchback will straighten in the grave.'	[01:04]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform patch diff to say "binary path/file snipped in principle" ?	[01:04]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: aha now we've got our own diff...?	[01:04]
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asciilifeform	why not own os, own cpu, ahaha.	[01:05]
mircea_popescu	fu	[01:05]
mircea_popescu	i just work here.	[01:05]
asciilifeform	!s spittoon	[01:05]
assbot	6 results for 'spittoon' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=spittoon	[01:05]
jurov	i still think having two patches is easiest way out	[01:05]
asciilifeform	with one of them 2MB?!!!	[01:05]
jurov	the larger can be easily verified that there are only removals	[01:05]
mircea_popescu	practically that's having one.	[01:05]
asciilifeform	consisting of unprintable chars!	[01:05]
asciilifeform	http://pastebin.com/rG1TxJt2	[01:06]
assbot	The Spittoon - Pastebin.com	[01:06]
jurov	ok, so script then...	[01:06]
asciilifeform	^ obligatory	[01:06]
mircea_popescu	!s obligatory	[01:06]
assbot	140 results for 'obligatory' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=obligatory	[01:06]
mircea_popescu	140 is too many!	[01:06]
asciilifeform	140 uniques?	[01:06]
mircea_popescu	what sort of twitter is this!	[01:06]
asciilifeform	and here's a thought:	[01:13]
asciilifeform	everybody's read of the old experiments with the dogs, the electrically-boobytrapped floor of the cages, and 'learned helplessness'	[01:13]
asciilifeform	one could reformulate the old vivisectors' conclusions in the following way:	[01:13]
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asciilifeform	that any system where the 'patient' sees a blurred boundary between the trivial and the absolutely impossible - will produce the learned helplessness.	[01:14]
asciilifeform	'don't commit binaries.'	[01:14]
asciilifeform	'don't roll yer own crypto'	[01:15]
asciilifeform	!s science doesn't work	[01:15]
assbot	2 results for 'science doesn't work' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=science+doesn%27t+work	[01:15]
mircea_popescu	perhaps a point.	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	i srsly don't see the problem with a patched diff.	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	the practical problem, that is.	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	the theoretical problem is well obvious.	[01:16]
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jurov	asciilifeform: what about outputtting ed format with added !rm src/qt/file commands? :DDDD	[01:19]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5550 @ 0.00073863 = 4.0994 BTC [-]	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	lol asciilifeform is fuming	[01:24]
BingoBoingo	;;ticker	[01:25]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 356.44, Best ask: 356.9, Bid-ask spread: 0.46000, Last trade: 356.91, 24 hour volume: 16273.08680258, 24 hour low: 344.34, 24 hour high: 363.71, 24 hour vwap: 355.938607705	[01:25]
mircea_popescu	lol "o let's sell all these <<confiscated>> coins"	[01:25]
BingoBoingo	mats_cd03: Interesting in writing a qntra piece or two?	[01:27]
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*	asciilifeform will kick off 'bitcoin' tree by posting manifest of subset of original tree with turdlets snipped. anyone who wants to determine that these, in fact, came from original tarball, can do his own homework.	[01:34]
mircea_popescu	make sure you include adequately quotable quote in there.	[01:34]
mircea_popescu	first github block and so on	[01:34]
asciilifeform	github block?	[01:35]
mircea_popescu	you know, genesis github.	[01:35]
*	mircea_popescu contemplates how his handcranked, slave operated blockchain is actually self-emerging, as predicted by some knowledgeable people.	[01:35]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-10-2014#894058 << that one ?	[01:36]
assbot	Logged on 24-10-2014 21:39:23; asciilifeform: https://codeload.github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/legacy.tar.gz/v0.5.3	[01:36]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the joke being how your " kick off 'bitcoin' tree" is genesis-y	[01:36]
asciilifeform	no one unearthed a copy they're willing to certify as having been leached when new	[01:36]
asciilifeform	ehe	[01:36]
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asciilifeform	!up MosesEX	[01:40]
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MosesEX	YAY	[01:40]
ben_vulpes	what's today's panic, MosesEX	[01:41]
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MosesEX	?	[01:41]
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MosesEX	what you mean by panic?	[01:43]
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MosesEX	does amazon use bitcoin	[01:44]
Duffer1	not that i'm aware of	[01:44]
Duffer1	they will eventually i'm sure	[01:44]
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mircea_popescu	!up frb	[01:47]
-assbot-	You voiced frb for 30 minutes.	[01:47]
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ben_vulpes	jurov and i bring a pm regarding treasury duties for a theoretical -assets foundation	[01:49]
ben_vulpes	...to the forum	[01:49]
mircea_popescu	waitwut?	[01:49]
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jurov	^ was my reaction too	[01:49]
asciilifeform	wat	[01:49]
ben_vulpes	mod6 and i are states-based.	[01:49]
ben_vulpes	if there are donations, someone must be responsible for said donations.	[01:49]
mircea_popescu	a so jurov treasurer ? okay.	[01:49]
asciilifeform	unless donation is to buy me coffee	[01:50]
asciilifeform	then i can be responsible for drinking it	[01:50]
mircea_popescu	i thought bitcoins are for tits.	[01:50]
bounce	as long as you drink responsibly	[01:50]
ben_vulpes	well there are no plans for expenditures on the table atm	[01:50]
mircea_popescu	basically just hold on to 'em ?	[01:50]
asciilifeform	can't think of what part of this costs anything, really	[01:50]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform of any human endeavour ever conceived this much is true : better to have money than not.	[01:51]
mircea_popescu	jurov so you wanna be teh treasurer of btc foundation ?	[01:51]
ben_vulpes	pretty please?	[01:51]
jurov	moment i want to have a clue how we eventually switch to dispensing from the treasury	[01:51]
mircea_popescu	well they order it and you pay it	[01:52]
mircea_popescu	except if they order more than you got, in which case you throw an exception	[01:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4446 @ 0.00073564 = 3.2707 BTC [-]	[01:52]
jurov	but this looks to strict p2p project	[01:52]
mircea_popescu	"this" ?	[01:52]
jurov	everyone in assbot l2 can publish patches	[01:52]
mircea_popescu	o, stan's work and the foundation are unrelated	[01:52]
jurov	can they ask from treasury, too?	[01:52]
mircea_popescu	which is why he's not getting any tits	[01:53]
mircea_popescu	i mean coffee	[01:53]
asciilifeform	lol	[01:53]
jurov	ahhhm	[01:53]
*	asciilifeform is now curious what foundation will do, if not this shit	[01:53]
ben_vulpes	be a target	[01:53]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform maybe buy you a complimentary book copy of the code ?	[01:53]
asciilifeform	it's gotta be more interesting thatn this	[01:53]
mircea_popescu	fuck mne if i know.	[01:53]
asciilifeform	hehe	[01:53]
ben_vulpes	herd cats, write spec?	[01:54]
mod6	luckally, im good with cats.	[01:54]
mircea_popescu	maybe pay chicks to do lapdances for coder ppls reading the scipt	[01:54]
ben_vulpes	nfi really either	[01:54]
MosesEX	HFS+ is utter crap	[01:54]
mircea_popescu	have an official bitcoin watersports event ?	[01:54]
mircea_popescu	piss on people freely and abundantly for two days.	[01:55]
jurov	i want to ask for modest remuneration, like, 1BTC/year.	[01:55]
mircea_popescu	1btc / year not to exceed 1% of funds collected ?	[01:55]
bounce	bidding war for treasuryship?	[01:55]
jurov	yeah with 1% limit	[01:56]
mike_c	i'll do it for 2btc/yr	[01:56]
jurov	heh	[01:56]
mircea_popescu	kik.	[01:56]
ben_vulpes	you're in the big zone mike_c :P	[01:56]
mike_c	just trying to win the bidding war	[01:56]
mircea_popescu	widding the binning wars!	[01:57]
ben_vulpes	wed the banging whores?	[01:57]
mircea_popescu	no, but bang the wedded whores.	[01:58]
jurov	truly a treasurer's duty :DDD	[01:58]
ben_vulpes	treasurer's duty's to audit the booty	[01:58]
mod6	:]	[01:58]
ben_vulpes	errant apostrophe	[01:58]
mircea_popescu	what's that mean, keep ear on pubis to detect internal queefs if and as they happen ?	[01:58]
bounce	that does imply a 100xbt donation drive every year	[01:58]
jurov	will make poof of reserves for reddit	[01:59]
mircea_popescu	bounce hopefully it will go "we got a lot of btc, give us more!"	[01:59]
ben_vulpes	or a zero payout to treasurer	[01:59]
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jurov	ben_vulpes 1% is limit not threshold	[02:00]
ben_vulpes	well, negligible.	[02:00]
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mircea_popescu	actually, maybe sponsor a worthy young lady to come to april conference. that's a decent way to spend foundation moneyz i say!	[02:00]
jurov	or the rectothermal-themed male beauty calendar?	[02:01]
ben_vulpes	mpex's paid enough to the worthy ladies already	[02:01]
mircea_popescu	jurov also.	[02:01]
ben_vulpes	soldering porn	[02:01]
mircea_popescu	The Soldering Soldiers - Anal Annealing Volume 8	[02:01]
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*	mod6 torrents	[02:02]
ben_vulpes	a++	[02:02]
ben_vulpes	would burn again	[02:02]
mod6	ha	[02:02]
mircea_popescu	maybe sponsor a bitcoin comic	[02:02]
mircea_popescu	generally, once there's a pile of money, stupid ways to waste it can be devised.	[02:02]
ben_vulpes	hahaha	[02:02]
jurov	we need cultural attachee then... any nominations?	[02:03]
ben_vulpes	chair duties	[02:03]
ben_vulpes	i'll just sit here and have the culture attached in my lap please	[02:03]
mircea_popescu	jurov the cockfest rules clearly say that no foundation can grow past 3 members unless it involves a good looking woman.	[02:03]
bounce	is there a general goal and or purpose for starting the hoard in the first place?	[02:03]
bounce	"there be dragons" is maybe a little weak in this context.	[02:04]
ben_vulpes	there's no goal for the hoard	[02:04]
mircea_popescu	bounce so that people who don't have the time or the skills to contribute can still contribute.	[02:04]
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ben_vulpes	the point is to provide the opportunity for btc to flow in	[02:04]
ben_vulpes	and to have a contingency plan for that happening	[02:04]
mircea_popescu	generally the idea is to spend none, or else with very high roi.	[02:04]
ben_vulpes	let's not pretend anyone actually cares.	[02:04]
asciilifeform	how on earth can people without time or skills contribute?	[02:04]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform sendtx	[02:04]
asciilifeform	say mr putin drops 10000 btc in the piggy	[02:04]
jurov	to bellyfeel the serenissima	[02:04]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: primes	[02:04]
bounce	so, a bitcoin indulgence?	[02:05]
asciilifeform	how does that help ben_vulpes, or me, or jurov, or, or, crap out whatevers?	[02:05]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform how would i know ?	[02:05]
ben_vulpes	it doesn't help, but not having the intake hole hurts.	[02:05]
mircea_popescu	if it does, it's better to have it than not	[02:05]
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mircea_popescu	and until it does it can be safely kept	[02:05]
mircea_popescu	not like bitcoin deteriorates.	[02:05]
jurov	perhaps it can be used for loans for member in good standing	[02:06]
mircea_popescu	on bitfinex	[02:06]
jurov	haha	[02:06]
ben_vulpes	emergency asciilifeform gravity escape device	[02:06]
mircea_popescu	but seriously, old people in eastern europe have this thing, like a loan co-op	[02:06]
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*	bounce tries to feel old. nope. no instant riches.	[02:08]
mircea_popescu	bounce nah they pay into it five bux or w/e each time they get a ss check, and then get a loan once a year to replace the washing machine or w/e	[02:09]
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*	jurov throws the dices and launches the necessary ECDSA pen&paper computations	[02:12]
jurov	just about 300 multiplications, 400 sums of 256bit numbers	[02:12]
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mircea_popescu	no mistakes now!	[02:13]
mircea_popescu	btw, a crc self-correcting system of computation should be devised.	[02:14]
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jurov	not needed,they say the result can be easily checked with some 100 operations	[02:16]
mircea_popescu	l;ol	[02:16]
mircea_popescu	these soviet jokes...	[02:16]
asciilifeform	and now...	[02:17]
asciilifeform	http://loper-os.org/pub/chicken.tar.gz	[02:17]
asciilifeform	gentlemen, start your engines.	[02:17]
mircea_popescu	but why is it so small ?	[02:17]
mircea_popescu	seriously asciilifeform, who do you expect to take 19kb seriously ?	[02:17]
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asciilifeform	you'll see	[02:17]
mircea_popescu	can't we put some pngs in there or something ? .o files ?	[02:18]
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asciilifeform	incidentally...	[02:18]
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asciilifeform	kernel: patch[28805]: segfault at 0 ip 0000000000403f35 sp 00007fffbc2fc8e0 error 4 in patch[400000+26000]	[02:18]
asciilifeform	^ the gods love a joke	[02:18]
mircea_popescu	i just don't feel that stuff under 1mb can properly be called code.	[02:18]
mircea_popescu	more like a script. put some xml wrappers around it ?	[02:19]
mod6	asciilifeform: did you spend any time playing corewars?	[02:19]
asciilifeform	mod6: howdyaguess	[02:19]
mod6	its an old fav. good times.	[02:20]
asciilifeform	linked turd is fresh but includes only a simple turd excision - removal of qt	[02:20]
asciilifeform	just to demonstrate concept	[02:20]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform at 19kb it's eminently printable now.	[02:21]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: lelz	[02:21]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu possibly should consider looking inside	[02:22]
jurov	;;ident asciilifeform	[02:22]
gribble	Nick 'asciilifeform', with hostmask 'asciilifeform!~asciilife@pool-71-191-53-82.washdc.fios.verizon.net', is identified as user 'asciilifeform', with GPG key id B98228A001ABFFC7, key fingerprint 17215D118B7239507FAFED98B98228A001ABFFC7, and bitcoin address None	[02:22]
mircea_popescu	!up WhiteCrane	[02:22]
-assbot-	You voiced WhiteCrane for 30 minutes.	[02:22]
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WhiteCrane	whats up	[02:22]
mircea_popescu	urmom.	[02:22]
asciilifeform	jurov is alert reader	[02:22]
WhiteCrane	is it possible to get bitcoin money the ski mask way?	[02:22]
asciilifeform	!b 1	[02:23]
assbot	Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/37MTSBR.txt )	[02:23]
WhiteCrane	its a joke	[02:23]
mircea_popescu	./scripts/qt/make_windows_icon.py ? srsly ?	[02:23]
jurov	WhiteCrane: not needed, we have internet	[02:23]
WhiteCrane	you know what ski mask way means right?	[02:23]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: yes, it was there.	[02:23]
asciilifeform	incidentally, the 'chicken', if built, should produce a binary bitwise identical with original.	[02:24]
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asciilifeform	because all that was done in patch 1, is remove ifdef crud	[02:24]
mod6	yah, cool. :)	[02:26]
asciilifeform	anyone here built?	[02:26]
*	ben_vulpes is reading first	[02:27]
WhiteCrane	how much bitcoin can i get for $4?	[02:27]
ben_vulpes	;;calc 4 / [ticker --last]	[02:27]
gribble	0.0111678811737	[02:27]
ben_vulpes	WhiteCrane:	[02:27]
jurov	any trick how do i clean the sources to leave only what's in manifest?	[02:27]
asciilifeform	with hands.	[02:28]
asciilifeform	or favourite scripting lang	[02:28]
WhiteCrane	is it possible to make a profit on bitcoin?	[02:28]
asciilifeform	e.g., awk	[02:28]
asciilifeform	this was the only way to not have the binary turdlets live in the mailing list set	[02:29]
jurov	cut -d ' ' -f 3- bitcoin-0.5.3-no-crud.sha256.manifest does	[02:29]
mircea_popescu	!down WhiteCrane	[02:29]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: incidentally, that was 'meow mix'	[02:30]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: host ban?	[02:30]
mircea_popescu	remarkable, the guy's patience.	[02:30]
mircea_popescu	anyway, why bother with a ban ? let him be ground into either a shape or nothingness.	[02:30]
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asciilifeform	chicken.tar.gz is proof of concept.	[02:34]
asciilifeform	anyone who thinks this is a waste of time - say.	[02:34]
asciilifeform	jurov's gadget, if he follows this suggestion, will be such that patch can be mailed to it, and if signature (must be detached, because gpg mutilates the plaintext otherwise...) passes, includes patch in a build process	[02:36]
asciilifeform	or simply in a mail-to-other-folks process	[02:36]
jurov	oh was thinking it will be for discussion	[02:36]
asciilifeform	also works	[02:36]
jurov	i see	[02:36]
asciilifeform	if someone wants to cough up a build script, go ahead	[02:36]
asciilifeform	i have, as some may know, other projects	[02:36]
ben_vulpes	sigs check	[02:37]
mircea_popescu	lol asciilifeform's getting post partum depression.	[02:38]
asciilifeform	lulz	[02:38]
jurov	it builds	[02:38]
asciilifeform	congrats jurov	[02:38]
asciilifeform	incidentally, any gentoo user having problems with db4.8:	[02:39]
asciilifeform	BDB_INCLUDE_PATH=/usr/include/db4.8/ make -f makefile.unix	[02:39]
asciilifeform	^ pill	[02:39]
jurov	yes did not occur to me to post	[02:39]
asciilifeform	jurov: cut -d ...... << be so kind as to include patch for CHICKEN instructions in your patch	[02:42]
asciilifeform	what more useful thing could there be, than correct instructions.	[02:42]
jurov	bitcoin-bitcoin-a8def6b/src/bitcoind chicken/src/bitcoind differ: byte 41, line 1	[02:43]
asciilifeform	show?	[02:43]
jurov	maybe debug info?	[02:44]
jurov	show what?	[02:44]
asciilifeform	strip'em	[02:44]
asciilifeform	& diff	[02:44]
gribble	3.598564026507623E10	[02:44]
asciilifeform	lol	[02:44]
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jurov	now they are identical	[02:45]
asciilifeform	there we go.	[02:45]
asciilifeform	diff output of readelf or objdump if you give a damn why this happened	[02:46]
jurov	line numbers	[02:46]
asciilifeform	aha	[02:46]
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asciilifeform	lol, there's still wx crapola in there!	[02:52]
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jurov	um..i forgot to patch at first	[02:56]
jurov	now recompiled with patch, stripped binary different	[02:57]
asciilifeform	show?	[02:57]
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jurov	http://pastebin.com/4kRzMAwq objdump diff	[03:01]
assbot	--- origdump 2014-10-25 01:53:15.339116615 +0200 +++ patchdump 2014-10-25 - Pastebin.com	[03:01]
asciilifeform	ty	[03:01]
jurov	some template riffraff	[03:01]
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asciilifeform	methinks it's from nixing qtui.h	[03:02]
*	asciilifeform invites everyone still awake to read patch, see if 'chef chopped the wrong carrot'	[03:02]
jurov	i am inclined to suspect boost expands __line__ somewhere	[03:03]
asciilifeform	boost needs to burn in hell.	[03:03]
mod6	yeah, im havin the same problem.	[03:04]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31896 @ 0.00073812 = 23.5431 BTC [+] {4}	[03:04]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00073968 = 3.5505 BTC [+]	[03:05]
mod6	http://dpaste.com/1Q2VHWT	[03:08]
assbot	dpaste: 1Q2VHWT	[03:08]
asciilifeform	mod6: able to build original ?	[03:08]
mod6	this is a good point. lemme see.	[03:09]
*	asciilifeform predicts 'no'	[03:09]
jurov	boost-1.52.0-r7 here	[03:09]
asciilifeform	build with 'period' libs	[03:10]
asciilifeform	or all bets off	[03:10]
mod6	asciilifeform predicts 'no' << correct.	[03:10]
mod6	anyway, same error.	[03:11]
asciilifeform	first - build original.	[03:12]
asciilifeform	then - hunt gremlins.	[03:12]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: ideas for what, if anything, to do to checkpoints?	[03:13]
jurov	gotta go, tmrw waking early and afk most of the day	[03:16]
asciilifeform	goodnight jurov	[03:17]
jurov	'night!	[03:17]
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ben_vulpes	http://www.funker530.com/jihadist-attacks-nypd-officers-with-axe-shot-dead/	[03:22]
assbot	FUNKER530 » Military Videos And Veteran Community With Army, Navy, Air Force News. » Jihadist Attacks NYPD Officers With Axe, Shot Dead	[03:22]
asciilifeform	lol, they took the carcass away in a police car ?!	[03:25]
asciilifeform	(traditionally in usa it is done by an ambulance)	[03:25]
ben_vulpes	where are you reading that?	[03:27]
asciilifeform	nowhere. watched the film clip	[03:28]
asciilifeform	from above link.	[03:28]
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ben_vulpes	ah, no bw here.	[03:29]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: tried building the turd from earlier?	[03:32]
mod6	i think he bounced.	[03:38]
mod6	im gonna give it a shot with some older libs	[03:38]
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mod6	ok built.	[03:59]
mod6	now will 'clean' and apply patches	[03:59]
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mod6	ok, built with patch, np: http://dpaste.com/080PFXN	[04:03]
assbot	dpaste: 080PFXN	[04:03]
asciilifeform	congrats mod6	[04:04]
mod6	hehe forgot that the host i'm on is new. needed the libs that ben_vulpes listed in his script.	[04:04]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15790 @ 0.0007411 = 11.702 BTC [+] {2}	[04:05]
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*	asciilifeform hopes that folks have the sense to think about the merits of the approach, rather than simply start doing it	[04:08]
mircea_popescu	PeterL what' scoopbot do ?	[04:10]
cazalla	qntra down	[04:10]
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mircea_popescu	mircea_popescu: ideas for what, if anything, to do to checkpoints? << you mean blockchain checkpoints ?	[04:11]
asciilifeform	them	[04:11]
mircea_popescu	user-configurable only, set to default = rnd	[04:11]
asciilifeform	as in the seed nodes	[04:12]
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*	asciilifeform only really hot and bothered for one patch (beyond all the chopping) - split off private key operations to $redacted machine connected via optoisolator.	[04:13]
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PeterL	mircea_popescu: scoopbot is a replacement for penguiker	[04:14]
mircea_popescu	ah right.	[04:14]
PeterL	I think it is almost ready, just testing it right now	[04:14]
asciilifeform	^ if anyone has above patch please share...	[04:15]
asciilifeform	doscoin.	[04:15]
mircea_popescu	"A lot of people follow their own faiths. Most were indoctrinated since birth. That makes it very easy to believe the dogma. Yet, how in anybody’s right mind could they, as an adult, suddenly be told that the magic man in the sky says you need to start wearing a dress (even though you’re a dude), put your face on the ground five times a day and pray, and oh yeah, kill all the non-believers? Not happening to anybody	[04:18]
mircea_popescu	that’s anywhere near sane. These sick dirt-bags had wires twisted in their heads, and they were frustrated, but they weren’t Muslims."	[04:18]
mircea_popescu	the logics in here are fabulous.	[04:18]
mircea_popescu	totally, how could a dude wear a dress!!1	[04:18]
mircea_popescu	i think agent indignant cracked this case wide open.	[04:18]
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cazalla	mircea_popescu, qntra being dossed? it's up and down	[04:26]
mircea_popescu	cazalla yup.	[04:26]
mircea_popescu	punkman bot ? :D	[04:28]
mircea_popescu	PeterL "Then in 10 months there will be 1`000`000 shares and the share number will be inflating at, if the paper makes 0.1 btc profit that month and the shares trade at 10 P/E, then the price will be 0.000012 per share. " << something missing in there ?	[04:29]
PeterL	what did I miss?	[04:29]
mircea_popescu	i dunno, needs somethin after and ?	[04:30]
mircea_popescu	at*	[04:30]
mircea_popescu	doesn't gramatically parse	[04:30]
PeterL	ah, I see it now, there should be a number between the at and comma, 1% per month?	[04:31]
mircea_popescu	ah yea	[04:31]
mircea_popescu	course i think the most interesting thing in there will be the nonlinear effects due to the numerous feedback loops.	[04:32]
PeterL	other than that, does the analysis make sense?	[04:32]
mircea_popescu	for instance : the more popular/relevant/powerful it becomes, the more likely it is to attract share buyers, authors and income. all three.	[04:32]
mircea_popescu	but two work one way, the third the other way	[04:32]
mircea_popescu	it does yes.	[04:32]
PeterL	feedback loops make it hard to get a good number for the future	[04:33]
mircea_popescu	anyway, i think as designed this share price is eminently modelable, to great modelling benefits	[04:33]
mircea_popescu	will obviously be a lot more interesting to work on a history than trying nude predictions	[04:34]
PeterL	designed or not designed?	[04:34]
mircea_popescu	hm ?	[04:35]
PeterL	did they design the price or just leave out design and let it fall where it may?	[04:36]
mircea_popescu	the share is designed so as to work an interesting way.	[04:36]
mircea_popescu	because the contract is written that way	[04:36]
decimation	asciilifeform: is that a picture of stierlitz in the upper right of the anti-soviet-portrayals-of-hollywood image you linked? if so, hilarious	[04:38]
cazalla	http://qntra.net/2014/10/canadian-vpn-provider-surfeasy-team-up-with-bitpay/	[04:42]
mircea_popescu	dude wtf is it systemv or systemd	[04:44]
mircea_popescu	!s systemv	[04:44]
assbot	4 results for 'systemv' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=systemv	[04:44]
mircea_popescu	!s systemd	[04:44]
assbot	115 results for 'systemd' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=systemd	[04:44]
mircea_popescu	holy shit i surrepetitiously renamed it.	[04:44]
mircea_popescu	nuts.	[04:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9350 @ 0.00074286 = 6.9457 BTC [+] {2}	[04:47]
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decimation	asciilifeform: json rpc api: out!	[04:51]
mike_c	PeterL: did you see my take on it?	[04:56]
PeterL	yes, it looked good	[04:56]
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mike_c	i think we ended up in the same ballpark	[04:57]
PeterL	as close as one could expect	[04:57]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: system v is a classical unix	[04:58]
asciilifeform	;;google unix system v	[04:58]
gribble	UNIX System V - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; The UNIX System -- History and Timeline -- UNIX History: ; What are System V Unix and SVR4?:	[04:58]
asciilifeform	decimation: stierlitz << looks quite like it. that was my thought.	[04:59]
asciilifeform	decimation: not so easy to rip out of 0.5.3. see log.	[04:59]
asciilifeform	will have to be done, though.	[04:59]
*	asciilifeform must note that there is only so much turdsmithing he is willing to do without a good reason.	[05:00]
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decimation	asciilifeform: it would be interesting to run turd through valgrind	[05:10]
asciilifeform	whatchawaitingfor	[05:10]
decimation	that guy who inspected the toyota embedded computer had a whole lecture on code coverage/testing/complexity tools	[05:11]
asciilifeform	i always hated the emphasis on those	[05:11]
asciilifeform	because the only genuinely curative pill is: fits-in-head.	[05:11]
decimation	yeah, I agree, like you need a computer that tells you what fits in your head	[05:11]
decimation	I like the templeos guy, he has a fixed number of lines of code for his project, and wants to make it smaller	[05:12]
*	asciilifeform is actually rather sure that 'boost' itself leaks.	[05:12]
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decimation	asciilifeform: I have more 'learned helplessness' w.r.t. programming that drives me nuts: 'don't use goto'	[05:16]
decimation	the other day I was testing a pile of python code that was driving hardware, and I wanted to just skip X lines	[05:16]
decimation	can't do it, 'because bad'	[05:16]
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ben_vulpes	ben_vulpes: tried building the turd from earlier? << got started, ran out of bandwidth in dive bar	[05:24]
ben_vulpes	moving slowly, endeavoring to grok and verify each and every stemp.	[05:24]
ben_vulpes	step*	[05:24]
ben_vulpes	but -- friday night, now stealing time away from familial sabbath drinking party to irc	[05:25]
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mircea_popescu	;;isup qntra.net	[05:26]
gribble	qntra.net is up	[05:26]
decimation	apparently our ddosing friend is also busy	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	!up duduqa	[05:26]
-assbot-	You voiced duduqa for 30 minutes.	[05:26]
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mircea_popescu	get in the wot, eh.	[05:26]
TheNewDeal	Mp whats it called when you double your bet in a 50/50 game, every time, until you win (or lose a large sum)	[05:28]
kakobrekla	martingale	[05:28]
mircea_popescu	^	[05:29]
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PeterL	lets you win a tiny amount or lose it all	[05:29]
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mircea_popescu	http://qntra.net/2014/10/cryptsy-and-shavers-sued-by-victims/ << pirate investors eh.	[05:32]
assbot	Cryptsy and Shavers Sued by Victims \| Qntra.net	[05:32]
mircea_popescu	mircea_popescu: system v is a classical unix <<< i know. apparently somethign shorted in my brain	[05:33]
mircea_popescu	* asciilifeform is actually rather sure that 'boost' itself leaks. << oh shit you know what that's prolly it.	[05:34]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44956 @ 0.0007435 = 33.4248 BTC [+] {3}	[05:50]
decimation	did anyone get asciilifeform's no-crud manifest to check?	[05:57]
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asciilifeform	find . -xtype f -print0 \| xargs -0 sha256sum > ../bitcoin-0.5.3.sha256.manifest	[06:04]
asciilifeform	while in src dir	[06:04]
asciilifeform	i suppose i should've thrown that in there.	[06:04]
asciilifeform	ah well.	[06:04]
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asciilifeform	^ crud manifest. for no-crud, similar	[06:05]
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decimation	I was using sha256sum -c	[06:07]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00074416 = 2.9766 BTC [+]	[06:14]
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mircea_popescu	http://pastebin.com/vCiDF8DS << classic syn flood.	[06:31]
assbot	netstat -a Active Internet connections (servers and established) Proto Recv-Q - Pastebin.com	[06:31]
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cazalla	getting hit with xrumer type comment spam too since around time dos started	[06:39]
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mircea_popescu	xruner lol	[06:46]
mircea_popescu	that shit still exists ?!	[06:46]
asciilifeform	'Hey, I have been looking to buy xrunner but can't find it. I have tried spelling it different ways. Anyone able to direct me?' --- first 'google' hit	[06:46]
asciilifeform	lulz	[06:46]
mircea_popescu	nuts	[06:47]
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mircea_popescu	tcp 0 0 23.235.236.98:http www.fraudalertservice:38410 SYN_RECV << all sorts of lulz like that.	[06:47]
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asciilifeform	amazing company.	[06:48]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[06:48]
decimation	lol 140.31.15.118 << usg	[06:51]
asciilifeform	no chumpnet without a few of those can be considered complete.	[06:52]
mod6	so slashing out rpc coudln't have possibly been that easy. but it compiled and ran fine, it seems, just no way to get info without re-adding these options as command line args. that might take some time.	[06:54]
mod6	anyway, not that i'm gonna keep going that direction for now, just wanted to kinda poke around and see a bit.	[06:55]
asciilifeform	mod6: check out what the command line cmds actually do in 0.5.3	[06:55]
asciilifeform	mod6: you've created a deafmute bitcoind	[06:55]
mod6	they're all rpc args it looks like	[06:56]
asciilifeform	correct	[06:56]
mod6	yeah, call it hellen keller	[06:56]
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asciilifeform	mod6: when shitgnomes glue their crap on, they use paste with broken glass.	[06:57]
asciilifeform	can't just gently peel it off.	[06:57]
mod6	well, i guess she was blind or whatever, so lol	[06:57]
asciilifeform	or it would've been peeled off long ago.	[06:57]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform mod6 actually, could it be made to work so as to simply spit specified streams as it runs ?	[06:57]
mod6	yeah, it seems that way ascii	[06:57]
mircea_popescu	start it with particular switches depending on what you want it to spit out	[06:57]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: is it gonna transmit tx via polling too? lol	[06:57]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform how you mean ?	[06:58]
mod6	<+mircea_popescu> asciilifeform mod6 actually, could it be made to work so as to simply spit specified streams as it runs ? << not 100% positive but it seems that some of the debug stuff almost does that when turned on fully.	[06:58]
asciilifeform	well, presumably you may occasionally want to transmit a tx	[06:58]
mod6	but.. we'll figure something out, yeah	[06:58]
asciilifeform	or generate an addr	[06:58]
asciilifeform	the correct solution is that (now unix-only) turdcoind will listen on a tty. serial tty.	[06:59]
mod6	int ret = CommandLineRPC(argc, argv); << lollertron	[06:59]
asciilifeform	(nonblocking fopen)	[06:59]
decimation	^^ agreed	[07:00]
mod6	i forgot how obnoxious some of this code was.	[07:00]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform so make it work like top basically ?	[07:00]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu aye	[07:00]
mod6	i think i just tried to put it out of my mind.	[07:00]
mircea_popescu	this may be an idea ctually.	[07:00]
mircea_popescu	mod6 it's nightmare fuel with a side dish of fridge logic.	[07:00]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you gonna meld pinentry in there too ?	[07:01]
asciilifeform	pinentry?	[07:01]
asciilifeform	for privkey decrypt?	[07:01]
mircea_popescu	well, for everything you do.	[07:01]
asciilifeform	why? that belong on the other side of optoisolator	[07:01]
asciilifeform	where tx is baked	[07:01]
mircea_popescu	so actually make it a two machine thing ?	[07:02]
asciilifeform	aye	[07:02]
asciilifeform	if doing this, why not do correctly	[07:02]
mircea_popescu	fucking open source mpex, what is this.	[07:02]
asciilifeform	and no need for bdb, boost, turdolate on other box	[07:02]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu lol	[07:02]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu won't give us his soviet calculator proggy, dooming us to rewrite it	[07:02]
*	mircea_popescu hires some lobbysts to sit on the standards group and prevent this evil.	[07:03]
mod6	yeah, but personally, i wanna start simple. and then work our way up to major changes.	[07:03]
mod6	if do slash and burn first, we're gonna have unforseen issues	[07:03]
mod6	and noone wants that	[07:03]
asciilifeform	slash&burn first is more or less what we're doing	[07:03]
asciilifeform	(assuming we're doing something)	[07:03]
decimation	slash and burn makes for more readable code	[07:03]
*	asciilifeform hasn't done particularly much something	[07:04]
*	asciilifeform just wanted a goddamned book he could take to the forest and go Hmmm with	[07:04]
mircea_popescu	that's how troubles start.	[07:04]
mod6	eh, yeah, these things are all great ideas. and necessary. but i think the best course of action is to get something up and working as a baseline with the most minimal changes possible so we have something to run when derpistan puts in the hardfork	[07:04]
mircea_popescu	no but seriously, and somewhat from experience : while the serial thing is a solid design, i suspect it's also a bridge too far	[07:05]
mircea_popescu	prolly a better idea to keep things sane and incrementally improve ?	[07:05]
mod6	that's plausibly only 8 weeks out. and we'd better have something to run by then. i don't wanna be chasing crazy changes down when we could have just gotten something simple running first.	[07:05]
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mod6	<+mircea_popescu> prolly a better idea to keep things sane and incrementally improve ? << this is the way it must be done. even though slash and burn feels so damn good.	[07:06]
mircea_popescu	mod6 it's not happening, at all. but that notwithstanding, you do have a solid point, as a general thing. and 8 weeks is certainly narrower a frame than anything usgavin&co can do.	[07:06]
mod6	understood. i worry about these jokers.	[07:06]
mircea_popescu	they're much less apt than they pretend to be. but that aside : ineptitude of the enemy is no excuse to derp.	[07:06]
mircea_popescu	these are all valuable changes. just, i'm persuaded by your smaller steps approach.	[07:07]
mircea_popescu	theoretical conflict of interest or no.	[07:07]
asciilifeform	doesn't get any smaller or simpler than scuttling the obvious crud.	[07:07]
asciilifeform	i gave example.	[07:07]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform well the discussion is if the json-rpc part is in the obvious crud or in the eventual crud group	[07:07]
mod6	and it's a great example. but it makes me nervous. cutting out stuff like that in something as poorly written as this is just ... frightning.	[07:08]
asciilifeform	json parser - crap	[07:08]
asciilifeform	here's some unambiguous crap - ssl	[07:08]
mod6	who knows what effects can be seen.... and sure, i could spend 3 months with gdb just trying to chase stuff down. this is going to be a methodical process of eradication.	[07:08]
asciilifeform	(not the ecdsa calls - well, them too, ought to be redone - but the https idiocy. needs to go.)	[07:08]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform how about this for a principle : step 1, take all the stuff that can be taken out without therefore forcing different stuff being put in ; step 2 take out the stuff that needs replacement, sorted by the complexity of the needed replacement, ascending.	[07:09]
asciilifeform	that was my suggestion	[07:09]
asciilifeform	from the start	[07:09]
mod6	you have some great ideas about changes that need to be made. and I really do think we'll get to doing them. bitcoin will be better for it.	[07:09]
mircea_popescu	that means the json crap stays for now doesn't it ?	[07:10]
asciilifeform	yes	[07:10]
asciilifeform	notice i left it in	[07:10]
mircea_popescu	yeah.	[07:10]
asciilifeform	first - the skin warts. then the tumours.	[07:10]
mod6	see, im of the opinion that we don't cut out anything. first we add.	[07:10]
asciilifeform	add what ?	[07:10]
mircea_popescu	i'm the first to say that the only practicable way to run this is as a two machine, serial connected thing, so that's not changing.	[07:11]
mod6	we add patches from stuff up to 6.3	[07:11]
mircea_popescu	oh he has a point. step 0 : merge the stuff that's acxtually useful in.	[07:11]
asciilifeform	like what ?	[07:11]
mod6	then once we have our baseline... something that can be used, and we can feel pretty good about with not years worth of testing, then we start to implement these major changes. then we see the UI go away from core, the rpc commands, etc.	[07:11]
mircea_popescu	even if it's the void set, still step 0.	[07:11]
mod6	we've dealt with it for 5 years, what's another 3-6 months?	[07:12]
*	asciilifeform bored, wanders off to pet pet	[07:12]
*	mircea_popescu has serious trouble thinking people have actually used the stock braindamage for more than a few month before branching it off	[07:12]
mod6	:(	[07:12]
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mircea_popescu	which is by now becoming a major problem in waiting, because under the hollow pretense of the power rangers, the codebase is actually fractured to all shit.	[07:12]
mod6	yeah, i think you're right that any place that actually gives a shit about the bitcoind they run, probably made their own changes immediately.	[07:14]
mod6	my philosophy on this project is: first, do no harm.	[07:15]
mod6	get us to a point where we can feel good about just what we're starting with.	[07:15]
mod6	once there, then start to schedule in the amputations.	[07:15]
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mod6	<+mircea_popescu> even if it's the void set, still step 0. << so this totally could be a void set. but we'll certainly look at what changes are in here post v0.5.3->6.3 just to ensure that we don't miss anything (http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/10/20_a-summary-of-changes-to-bitcoin-since-0321.html)	[07:25]
mod6	and if there is anything that's deemed "required", we'll be putting those things in. getting us to the baseline.	[07:26]
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*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 5 21:58:12 2014	[08:32]
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thestringpuller	;;isup qntra.net	[08:36]
gribble	qntra.net is up	[08:36]
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cazalla	i would not even lend them niggas a pencil	[08:43]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: re: your chronicles: 'importprivkey' is more or less inescpable (how the fuck can one do anything technological with the thing, lacking it?)	[08:44]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: but why qr codes?	[08:44]
RagnarDanneskjol	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWXsTaBoD7A	[08:45]
assbot	Deap Vally - Gonna Make My Own Money - Official Video - YouTube	[08:45]
*	asciilifeform waits for someone to say 'i keep all me coin in the iPnohe'	[08:45]
*	asciilifeform doesn't see why qr code modem belongs in the already overcrowded rocket	[08:46]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform actually the qr code is a legitimate optoseparator	[08:47]
asciilifeform	crappy separator	[08:48]
mircea_popescu	there do exist qr reader guns with reasonably simple internals commonly available.	[08:48]
asciilifeform	everyone in the room & across the street can see.	[08:48]
mircea_popescu	why crappy ?	[08:48]
asciilifeform	tempest.	[08:48]
mircea_popescu	you can print just as well.	[08:48]
asciilifeform	can.	[08:49]
asciilifeform	really belongs as a piped apparatus though	[08:49]
mircea_popescu	the advantage of this arrangement is that it can be made easily and inconspicuously.	[08:50]
*	asciilifeform isn't thrilled with the encouragement of exposing privkeys to the atmosphere, so to speak, by trivial optical export	[08:50]
mircea_popescu	nobody's encouraging it. as long as it's there, people gotta keep tempest going.	[08:50]
mircea_popescu	this is expensive. let them.	[08:50]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: you really think it's still done with a van full of knob-twiddling sp00kz0rz ?	[08:51]
mircea_popescu	however it's done, it's still expensive and scales poorly.	[08:51]
asciilifeform	done with automatics, usable by chimp, approx. the size of iPnohe (minus receiving horn)	[08:51]
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mircea_popescu	i've yet to capture one of those.	[08:51]
asciilifeform	there's one flying not far from where i live.	[08:52]
mircea_popescu	how much do you figure it cost ?	[08:52]
asciilifeform	it was announced with some fanfare, too. (who has the balloon link?)	[08:52]
asciilifeform	no idea what it costs, other than the fact usg can get as many of these as it likes.	[08:53]
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asciilifeform	back to qr codes per se: who builds the reader with no stateful internals?	[08:54]
asciilifeform	every single one i've ripped open, had a micro	[08:54]
asciilifeform	if going for optical, better keep it edisonian. as in, helically-inscribed 1d barcode.	[08:54]
mircea_popescu	i guess.	[08:55]
asciilifeform	then can read a la phonograph.	[08:55]
asciilifeform	print - with ordinary printer.	[08:55]
*	asciilifeform wonders if anyone has returned to paper tape	[08:57]
asciilifeform	or if it will have to wait for mechanicoin.	[08:57]
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asciilifeform	and wai wat, who ever said tempest needs to scale.	[08:59]
asciilifeform	there's maybe 10 worthwhile 'patients' alive.	[08:59]
asciilifeform	and 3-5 of them are reading log here.	[08:59]
mircea_popescu	you don't understand how bureaucracy works :)	[09:01]
asciilifeform	tempest horn doesn't have to belong to the crown.	[09:01]
PinkPosixPXE	These girls are very enthusiastic about making their own money, and being independently wealthy	[09:01]
PinkPosixPXE	22:42 <+RagnarDanneskjol> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWXsTaBoD7A	[09:02]
assbot	Deap Vally - Gonna Make My Own Money - Official Video - YouTube	[09:02]
mircea_popescu	because that's totally how it works, yeah.	[09:03]
RagnarDanneskjol	yea they're cool chicks - just discovered them recently. pretty decent garbage rock	[09:03]
mircea_popescu	to write run, bitch run review or not to write run, bitch, run review...	[09:04]
*	asciilifeform would like to suggest a term, 'dependently wealthy'	[09:04]
RagnarDanneskjol	ha	[09:04]
PinkPosixPXE	Yea, not a bad song... Not certain how I feel about it.. interesting..	[09:04]
*	mircea_popescu snubs nose at song. o looky, chicky got electric guitar, not catching her fingers in the chords anymore even!	[09:06]
PinkPosixPXE	"pretend you're playing rock band, and look sexy!"	[09:11]
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mod6	!up Bugpowder	[09:19]
PinkPosixPXE	re QR codes and exposing privkeys to the atmosphere: http://www.bloomberg.com/video/miller-s-lesson-guard-your-bitcoin-qr-code-1y5Uj8foQu~3Gn_qKclleQ.html	[09:19]
assbot	Oops: Guard Your Bitcoin QR Code or Else: Video - Bloomberg	[09:19]
PinkPosixPXE	hah	[09:20]
mircea_popescu	meh video	[09:21]
mircea_popescu	!up Bugpowder	[09:21]
-assbot-	You voiced Bugpowder for 30 minutes.	[09:21]
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Bugpowder	thanks	[09:21]
mircea_popescu	;;8ball is mod6 an impostor ?	[09:21]
gribble	The outlook is good.	[09:21]
Bugpowder	Been a while, not sure how to do it	[09:21]
mircea_popescu	ident with gribble, pm assbot !up	[09:21]
mod6	;;gpg info mod6	[09:21]
gribble	User 'mod6', with keyid 721705A8B71EADAF, fingerprint 027A8D7C0FB8A16643720F40721705A8B71EADAF, and bitcoin address None, registered on Wed Sep 14 17:05:58 2011, last authed on Fri Oct 24 12:42:41 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=mod6 . Currently authenticated from hostmask mod6!32ea73ba7c@rider.us .	[09:21]
Bugpowder	Yall have seen this? http://arxiv-web3.library.cornell.edu/pdf/1410.1231v1.pdf	[09:22]
mircea_popescu	meh pdf. what is it ?	[09:23]
Bugpowder	Bayesian regression and Bitcoin	[09:23]
Bugpowder	Devavrat Shah Kang Zhang Laboratory for Information and Decision Systems Department of EECS Massachusetts Institute of Technology	[09:23]
Bugpowder	Profitable (previously) strategy for bitcoin trading	[09:23]
mircea_popescu	aha	[09:24]
RagnarDanneskjol	!s Bayesian regression and Bitcoin	[09:24]
assbot	1 results for 'Bayesian regression and Bitcoin' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=Bayesian+regression+and+Bitcoin	[09:24]
Bugpowder	what I found interseting is that the primary pattern it found (Fig 4) was the exact pattern for my winning short term trades	[09:24]
Bugpowder	drop with rippple	[09:24]
Bugpowder	Of course, why they would publish this instead of exploit it is an exercise for the reader. Probably they should’ve gone to Stanford.	[09:25]
mod6	lol	[09:25]
mod6	cuz college makes you smrter	[09:26]
Bugpowder	Well… I think they would be more profit focused then	[09:26]
*	mircea_popescu suspects it's more valuable as a retrospective fitting than anything else	[09:26]
mircea_popescu	aka glorified ta.	[09:26]
Bugpowder	yea	[09:28]
mircea_popescu	their publishing signals that they hold the sam ebelief.	[09:28]
Bugpowder	Also, hard to exploit with a large enough stack to make it worthwhile.	[09:29]
mircea_popescu	(then again, generally i think bayesian stuff is masturbation for the uneducated intelligent.)	[09:29]
Bugpowder	It is a bit classical.	[09:29]
Bugpowder	Give me a black box, random forest bagging tree algorithm over that shit any day	[09:29]
mircea_popescu	anyway, how've you been ?	[09:30]
Bugpowder	Busy	[09:31]
Bugpowder	too busy	[09:31]
mircea_popescu	did you get that what was it, grant ?	[09:31]
Bugpowder	but good	[09:31]
Bugpowder	Got lab, got space, got equipment. Small grant, applying for more	[09:31]
mircea_popescu	cool	[09:31]
Bugpowder	Foundation awards etc	[09:31]
Bugpowder	Got house	[09:31]
Bugpowder	got second kid	[09:31]
Bugpowder	got bitcar	[09:31]
mircea_popescu	o hey.	[09:31]
Bugpowder	So sad tho	[09:31]
mircea_popescu	why ?!	[09:32]
Bugpowder	I fucked up the plate	[09:32]
Bugpowder	I was a bit faded when I ordered it and didn’t read the instructinos	[09:32]
mircea_popescu	;;ud fuck up the plate	[09:32]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=shut%20the%20fuck%20up \| It is the upgrade of "shut up" and is used mainly when you a... ... dsl: ding I think the microwave has just finished cooking that plate of shut the fuck up you ...	[09:32]
Bugpowder	assumed they would center the plate	[09:32]
mod6	the license plate bracket?	[09:32]
Bugpowder	but you need to explicitly center it with half-space characters	[09:32]
mod6	oh nm. lost me with bitcar	[09:33]
mod6	oh this thing? http://web.mit.edu/francov/www/citycar/	[09:34]
assbot	Bit Car	[09:34]
Bugpowder	http://i.imgur.com/TOZ4XQ2.jpg	[09:34]
Bugpowder	left justified plate. FML	[09:34]
mircea_popescu	lol looks kinda dopey	[09:35]
mircea_popescu	big fucking deal tho.	[09:35]
Bugpowder	I can’t reorder the plate, cause the name is already taken	[09:35]
Bugpowder	hahah	[09:35]
mod6	still, on your porsche is still hurtin' feelings	[09:35]
Bugpowder	Getting the plate was an anti-climax	[09:36]
Bugpowder	now people can recognize you if parked somewhere… which could be a negative thing...	[09:36]
Bugpowder	thought about that too late.	[09:36]
Bugpowder	anyway. Whats going on here???	[09:36]
Bugpowder	Trolls have been banished I see	[09:37]
Bugpowder	bitbet got some whale action	[09:37]
Bugpowder	just-dice gone	[09:37]
Bugpowder	bitbook gone	[09:37]
mircea_popescu	Bugpowder qntra and the bitcoin foundation.	[09:38]
mod6	war of life too, pretty cool new game	[09:38]
mircea_popescu	speaking of which, qntra can prolly take some more science-minded writing. if you come up with anything talk to cazalla	[09:38]
Bugpowder	heh	[09:38]
Bugpowder	dude	[09:38]
Bugpowder	no bandwitdh	[09:38]
mircea_popescu	mod6 right, and mpif going through what, five profit centers ? sad.	[09:38]
Bugpowder	is qntra listed?	[09:39]
mircea_popescu	yeah.	[09:39]
decimation	asciilifeform et. al. it appears that this guy maintains a 'secure' bitcoin branch, as well as the dependencies: http://www.ringingliberty.com/bitcoin/	[09:39]
assbot	Ringing Liberty \| Bitcoin	[09:39]
decimation	;;seen io_error	[09:39]
gribble	I have not seen io_error.	[09:39]
Bugpowder	mpex down?	[09:40]
mircea_popescu	o.O	[09:42]
mircea_popescu	no ?	[09:42]
mircea_popescu	$proxies	[09:42]
empyex	mircea_popescu: Proxies: mpex.co mpex.biz mpex.ws mpex.bz mpex.coinbr.com Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91	[09:42]
empyex	mircea_popescu: MPEx-Status: mpex.coinbr.com (466 milliseconds), mpex.co (error), mpex.biz (error), mpex.ws (error), mpex.bz (error)	[09:44]
empyex	mircea_popescu: Health-Indicators: Homepage: √ MK Depth JSON: √ VWAP JSON: √	[09:44]
mircea_popescu	odd.	[09:44]
mircea_popescu	;;isup mpex.ws	[09:44]
gribble	mpex.ws is up	[09:44]
mircea_popescu	;;isup mpex.bz	[09:44]
gribble	mpex.bz is up	[09:45]
mircea_popescu	FabianB_ any idea why ?	[09:45]
mod6	decimation: i could be wrong here, but a quick look here seems like this dude is wrapping up bitcoin 0.9.3	[09:45]
decimation	yeah my main interest is that he catalogs the dependencies	[09:45]
mircea_popescu	decimation any definition of what "secure" means ?	[09:46]
ben_vulpes	ben_vulpes: but why qr codes? << libqrencode-dev was a mistake; holdover from my experiments with 6.3	[09:47]
ben_vulpes	ah but wait qr libs aren't in the script on ch	[09:48]
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mod6	!up Bugpowder	[09:52]
decimation	I think it's 'secure' because it uses selinux	[09:52]
decimation	the most hilarious dependency (even on ascii's 0.5.3): UPNP	[09:52]
mod6	assbot: h8r	[09:52]
mod6	decimation: some guys like to plug and play	[09:54]
mircea_popescu	there's linux upnp ?!	[09:54]
decimation	yeah here's the bitcoin dependency: http://miniupnp.free.fr/	[09:55]
assbot	MiniUPnP Project HomePage	[09:55]
mircea_popescu	odd.	[09:55]
mircea_popescu	what am i missing ?!	[09:55]
mod6	http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Millions-of-devices-vulnerable-via-UPnP-Update-1794032.html	[09:56]
assbot	Millions of devices vulnerable via UPnP - Update - The H Security: News and Features	[09:56]
mod6	old news, but still, lulz	[09:57]
ben_vulpes	re QR codes and exposing privkeys to the atmosphere: http://www.bloomberg.com/video/miller-s-lesson-guard-your-bitcoin-qr-code-1y5Uj8foQu~3Gn_qKclleQ.html << "never show anyone your public key" ya mhm bloomberg killing it again and again	[09:57]
assbot	Oops: Guard Your Bitcoin QR Code or Else: Video - Bloomberg	[09:57]
ben_vulpes	haha oh man ripped up one side and down t' other	[09:59]
PinkPosixPXE	Yep, "Oh I fucked up... don't show your public key folks!!! Just your private key!"	[10:05]
PinkPosixPXE	"ganked, as we say in gangster slang"	[10:05]
mod6	licked	[10:06]
mod6	;;ud licked	[10:07]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=licked \| Licked - To get a BJ/gummer 2. Licked - To get intoxicated 3. Licked - To get physically hit or deliver a hit in a violent manner 4. Licked - To steal or to be stolen ...	[10:07]
ben_vulpes	left justified plate. FML << typical bitcoiner	[10:07]
ben_vulpes	a) "hai plz foar ams to rob me"	[10:07]
ben_vulpes	b) "lol plate ams left justified cuz i generate keys wasted"	[10:07]
mircea_popescu	wait wut ?	[10:09]
ben_vulpes	bitcoin anything on anything one owns - big advertisement for rectothermal cryptanalysts	[10:09]
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mircea_popescu	!up Bugpowder	[10:11]
-assbot-	You voiced Bugpowder for 30 minutes.	[10:11]
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mircea_popescu	Bugpowder : ident with gribble, pm assbot !up	[10:11]
Bugpowder	tx	[10:11]
mod6	i tried. assbot hates me now.	[10:11]
Bugpowder	I should have got buttcoin	[10:12]
Bugpowder	err… buttcar.. No way that would have passed the censors tho	[10:12]
ben_vulpes	Bugpowder: on the topic of bezzlenomics, i'm amused that you have a small grant, lab, equipment and...porsche.	[10:13]
Bugpowder	rich get richer, what can I say	[10:14]
cazalla	ermahgerd how am i meant to publish this article to qntra	[10:14]
ben_vulpes	no comment necessary, simply sharing lulz.	[10:14]
ben_vulpes	anyways that's it for me tonight	[10:14]
mod6	night!	[10:15]
Bugpowder	peach	[10:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30400 @ 0.00074565 = 22.6678 BTC [+]	[10:16]
ben_vulpes	http://rap.genius.com/Jay-z-hello-brooklyn-20-lyrics#note-9163	[10:16]
assbot	Jay Z Hello Brooklyn 2.0 Lyrics \| Genius	[10:16]
Bugpowder	trilema down… I read about qntra laterz… night…	[10:21]
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mircea_popescu	is it ?	[10:21]
mod6	seems to be	[10:22]
*	mircea_popescu sees it, as per usual.	[10:23]
thestringpuller	Oh man I missed Bugpowder.	[10:24]
thestringpuller	;;isup mpex.co	[10:26]
gribble	mpex.co is up	[10:26]
thestringpuller	;;isup qntra.net	[10:33]
gribble	qntra.net is down	[10:33]
thestringpuller	;;isup trilema.com	[10:33]
gribble	trilema.com is down	[10:33]
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mod6	%d	[10:37]
atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 451525.68 in 1128 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: -3.84	[10:37]
mod6	%p	[10:37]
atcbot	>> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 302.37 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 4.46 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 0.00 TH/s	[10:38]
thestringpuller	%tslb	[10:39]
atcbot	Time Since Last ATC Block (#47256): 0 hour(s), 4 minutes	[10:39]
RagnarDanneskjol	is noone using the p2pool anymore?	[10:40]
RagnarDanneskjol	yep - noone's mined on it since the 21st	[10:43]
mircea_popescu	you can prolly safely turn it off.	[10:44]
mod6	atcbot?	[10:44]
RagnarDanneskjol	should I check with anyone else? bingo.. also, whats the story	[10:44]
mircea_popescu	the p2pool thing	[10:44]
mod6	ah, yeah	[10:45]
mod6	needs some updates, i also said i'd get rid of the coinminer stats too.	[10:45]
mircea_popescu	prolly not the top priority atm	[10:46]
RagnarDanneskjol	maybe I'll ask chalbersma to switch it to a bc pool	[10:47]
mod6	yeah, it'll be a quick update. i'll put it in tomorrow.	[10:47]
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HeySteve	hi	[10:48]
RagnarDanneskjol	Hey Steve	[10:49]
HeySteve	going well, RagnarDanneskjol?	[10:50]
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RagnarDanneskjol	hangin in there	[10:51]
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mod6	%p	[10:52]
atcbot	[PityThePool Hashrate]: 366.50 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 3.49 TH/s	[10:52]
mod6	tomorrow, 6 minutes, w/e	[10:53]
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mircea_popescu	;;isup qntra.net	[11:18]
gribble	qntra.net is up	[11:18]
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cazalla	http://qntra.net/2014/10/hong-kong-sar-government-sponsored-bitcoin-exchange-bitspark-goes-live/	[11:25]
assbot	Hong Kong SAR Government Sponsored Bitcoin Exchange Bitspark Goes Live \| Qntra.net	[11:25]
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mircea_popescu	!up Mikayla	[11:30]
-assbot-	You voiced Mikayla for 30 minutes.	[11:30]
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HeySteve	hey Mikayla	[11:31]
HeySteve	her pic ok, mircea_popescu?	[11:31]
Mikayla	hi HeySteve	[11:32]
mircea_popescu	i didn't get it ?	[11:32]
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cazalla	bitpay got back to me as well.. "I will be following up with our Legal department on Monday in regards to disclosing bitcoin addresses to law enforcement."	[11:32]
Mikayla	sorry I see my email buggered out	[11:34]
Mikayla	it's sitting in my draft box	[11:34]
mircea_popescu	lolk	[11:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34400 @ 0.00074429 = 25.6036 BTC [-]	[11:43]
Mikayla	hotmail ftw....	[11:43]
thestringpuller	old skool	[11:43]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98800 @ 0.00074527 = 73.6327 BTC [+] {4}	[11:46]
HeySteve	cazalla, you expect bitpay just rolls over?	[11:46]
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*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 5 21:58:12 2014	[18:21]
-assbot-	Welcome to #bitcoin-assets. To get voice (ie, to be able to speak), first identify with gribble and then send "!up" to assbot in a private message. If you do not have a WoT account, try politely asking one of the voiced people for a temporary pass.	[18:21]
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mircea_popescu	cazalla bingoboingo can you see qntra now ?	[18:24]
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mircea_popescu	!up Mikayla	[18:32]
-assbot-	You voiced Mikayla for 30 minutes.	[18:33]
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asciilifeform	decimation: 'secure' bitcoin branch, as well as the dependencies << lol, read his faq! usg linux!	[18:35]
asciilifeform	decimation: 0.5.3 UPNP - it's condemned to die, if that weren't obvious	[18:35]
asciilifeform	'never show anyone your public key' << 'in the game of chess you can never let your adversary see your pieces!' (zapf brannigan, 'futurama')	[18:36]
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asciilifeform	big advertisement for rectothermal cryptanalysts << i've seen worse. there's some fool driving around my town with '0DAY'.	[18:37]
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mircea_popescu	;;isup qntra.net	[18:43]
gribble	qntra.net is up	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	aite then.	[18:43]
asciilifeform	dead here	[18:43]
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mircea_popescu	yeah well as the dead bodies clear it should be ok.	[18:44]
decimation	asciilifeform: it is somewhat mysterious why redhat doesn't want to adopt ecc crypto	[18:44]
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asciilifeform	decimation: chef could easily chop wrong carrot, might accidentally end up with the less-usg-flavoured kind	[18:45]
decimation	at any rate, he has turds needed to compile arbitrary bitcoin	[18:45]
decimation	not that they will be needed for long	[18:45]
asciilifeform	so can anyone	[18:45]
asciilifeform	this isn't really a mega-challenge	[18:45]
decimation	no, it appears that even 0.5.3 compiles fine with reasonable version of openssl and bdb	[18:46]
asciilifeform	but go and, say, diff his binary with yours.	[18:46]
decimation	Somehow I still can't get your patch to match your manifest	[18:46]
asciilifeform	match how?	[18:47]
decimation	even something as simple as snipping out a few lines seems complicated	[18:47]
asciilifeform	there were two manifests; one from stock tarball, one from just the necessaries (hand-deleted crud)	[18:47]
decimation	well let's see. 6c5edfb92f95e7b8237170b1f9c197306060861cb32173bdf28d42ec0448ff57 wallet.cpp	[18:47]
asciilifeform	both prior to patch	[18:47]
decimation	that's what I get for post-patch wallet.cpp	[18:47]
asciilifeform	i didn't submit a hash for post-patch!	[18:47]
asciilifeform	lol	[18:47]
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decimation	I was confused, I thought you had a pre-patch and post patch manifest	[18:53]
decimation	instead you had a pre-patch and pre-patch cut :)	[18:53]
decimation	at any rate, I got it compiled and working, immediately began downloading blocks	[18:55]
decimation	one item of note - it is amusing that the copyright notices suddenly changed from "Satoshi Nakamoto" to "The Bitcoin Developers"	[18:56]
decimation	like, is that a legal entity?	[18:56]
asciilifeform	decimation: the patch removed crap that was ifdef'd out anyway	[18:56]
decimation	yeah I noted that	[18:56]
mircea_popescu	decimation because that's how maggots become cattle owners.	[18:57]
mircea_popescu	it's... their corpse, right ?	[18:57]
asciilifeform	decimation: i haven't any idea what 'the bitcoin developers' are. presumably it's a mythical set that includes, even us.	[18:57]
decimation	heh that's what I thought	[18:57]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform just like "us representatives" as a mythical set includes even you.	[18:57]
asciilifeform	lelz	[18:57]
asciilifeform	let's change that string to 'bitcoin maggots'	[18:57]
mircea_popescu	let's just change it to what it originally was.	[18:58]
mircea_popescu	kinda the point of the fucking reaction innit.	[18:58]
decimation	yeah, I would revert it all to satoshi	[18:58]
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asciilifeform	satoshi '09 ?	[18:59]
mircea_popescu	then qntra can run a piece about how bitcoin foundation reverted a missatribution created by usgavin of the bitcoin scamdation, where it falsely attrivbuted bitcoin to an inexistent group instead of satoshi	[18:59]
decimation	yep	[18:59]
asciilifeform	sorta misleading, considering that the turdball presently under consideration isn't maggot-free	[18:59]
decimation	yeah it's a bit early	[19:00]
decimation	but I like the sentiment	[19:00]
mircea_popescu	yeah not yet, just, best way to publicly announce this.	[19:00]
decimation	asciilifeform: did you see this http://cryptome.org/2014/10/3-us-section.pdf	[19:01]
decimation	an interesting history of the real details of how comint was shared by the allies	[19:02]
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decimation	Hut-3 and 3-US was the US liason hut at Bletchley Park:	[19:05]
decimation	"Much that went on in 3-US was not properly the business of Hut 3. Such questions, for example, as which individuals at American commands should be entitled to have access to Ultra, or what action should be taken on violations of security regulations at American commands-questions which on the British side were handled at Broadway Buildings-were normally handled in 3-US."	[19:05]
decimation	so basically there was a whole pile of people who appeared-to-be-in-charge who were not, and security was effective because a small number were involved	[19:05]
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HeySteve	!up Mikayla	[19:43]
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mircea_popescu	wow@logs. seems i missed a most eventful night eh ?	[19:45]
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mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/mika.jpg << not bad eh ?	[19:51]
mircea_popescu	Mikayla email me an address. use same email.	[19:51]
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undata	I got here just in time.	[19:53]
mircea_popescu	undata to see what you gotta do for senor thiel ?	[19:55]
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HeySteve	thought you'd appreciate her, mircea_popescu	[19:56]
undata	mircea_popescu: my tits aren't nearly as impressive	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	undata i know a great doctor...	[19:58]
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mircea_popescu	;;rated HeySteve	[20:00]
gribble	You rated user HeySteve on Mon Jun 23 12:50:37 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: cryptocoinsnews reporter..	[20:00]
HeySteve	not any more	[20:00]
mircea_popescu	ah ?	[20:00]
HeySteve	yeah got tired of chasing down the news, on hiatus	[20:01]
mircea_popescu	;;rate HeySteve 1 Fairer sex connoisseur	[20:01]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating for user HeySteve has changed from 1 to 1.	[20:01]
mircea_popescu	a better title anyway.	[20:01]
HeySteve	sure enough	[20:02]
HeySteve	she's getting some food, will tell her to email	[20:02]
HeySteve	argentina still treating you well, mircea_popescu?	[20:02]
mircea_popescu	lol what, you're living together ?	[20:03]
mircea_popescu	argentina is indeed a pleasure.	[20:03]
HeySteve	nope	[20:03]
mircea_popescu	yes it is.	[20:03]
HeySteve	heh ok fine	[20:03]
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HeySteve	things here are still ok, if you don't turn on the news	[20:04]
mircea_popescu	o were you trying to get out ?	[20:04]
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HeySteve	I can leave to Canada or EU any time but committed to some projects here for a while	[20:04]
HeySteve	but yeah, that's the long term plan	[20:05]
mircea_popescu	aha	[20:05]
HeySteve	so I'm guessing if Gavin forks the chain, you'll be sticking with the tried and true?	[20:06]
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mircea_popescu	the reaction is the reaction for not being revolutionary, after all.	[20:07]
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mircea_popescu	anyway, what i do is the lesser part. the best thing gavin & co could do is fork themselves outside of this project.	[20:08]
mircea_popescu	simply leaving would be about as big a deal, but not nearly as lolproductive.	[20:08]
HeySteve	if what they do is as bad as all that, perhaps satoshi will break radio silence again	[20:08]
mircea_popescu	ain't happening.	[20:09]
Duffer1	again? what'd i miss?	[20:09]
HeySteve	hmm but if they compromise it somehow, he could squelch them with three words, like dorian story	[20:09]
Duffer1	oh right	[20:09]
mircea_popescu	HeySteve not really, for one thing, and more likely to wring his own neck than anything.	[20:10]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-25/deutsche-bank-lawyer-and-former-sec-enforcement-attorney-found-dead-apparent-suicide	[20:19]
mircea_popescu	with... a nail gun!!11	[20:20]
HeySteve	srsly again?	[20:20]
mircea_popescu	41 year old Calogero "Charlie" Gambino o.O	[20:21]
HeySteve	this trend is robbing the guillotines	[20:21]
mod6	^	[20:22]
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Mikayla	APPARENT suicide...	[20:34]
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undata	who kills himself with a nail gun	[20:35]
Mikayla	Am I the only one who feels a conspircy coming on?	[20:35]
undata	certainly not	[20:35]
Mikayla	ya no it doesn't sound 100% effective	[20:36]
Mikayla	imagine living through it?	[20:36]
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undata	right, that's a punishment	[20:36]
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undata	a suicidal person goes for effectiveness	[20:36]
Mikayla	uh huh	[20:36]
Mikayla	I feel a mob attack vibe	[20:36]
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undata	"Kill him with a nail gun." "Yeah boss"	[20:36]
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Mikayla	yip	[20:37]
Mikayla	haha	[20:37]
mircea_popescu	HeySteve mod6 Mikayla i dunno, i kinda feel bad for the bankers.	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	their "crimes" are entirely based on rules the government had no authority to make, and certainly has no authority to enforce.	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	they're just middleaged pencilnecks being bullied, essentially.	[20:38]
Mikayla	just the nail gun is suspect	[20:38]
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Mikayla	why not gas yourself in your car?	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	Mikayla speaking of mob attack vibes, what's the situation there like, for a hot white gal ?	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	to judge by the media reports it's nothing but a rapefest.	[20:39]
Mikayla	I own a bitpull. have very high walls. electronic gate. latches on the door.	[20:39]
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mircea_popescu	a bitpull ?!	[20:40]
mircea_popescu	ahahahaha epic.	[20:40]
mircea_popescu	!b 5	[20:40]
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undata	those are great dogs	[20:40]
mircea_popescu	pitbulls ?	[20:40]
undata	Mikayla: guns too?	[20:40]
Mikayla	she's a rescue	[20:40]
undata	ah yeah, loyal, super fun	[20:40]
Mikayla	not a gun. yet.	[20:40]
undata	I love pits	[20:40]
undata	they'll tear someone in half, but for you	[20:40]
Mikayla	yip	[20:40]
Mikayla	my german shepard was poisoned	[20:41]
Mikayla	she's still a puppy but never leaves my side	[20:41]
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undata	that's awful.	[20:41]
undata	Mikayla: shooting's a skill I think everyone should have	[20:41]
Mikayla	guns aren't easy to obtain here	[20:41]
undata	ah well... I grew up in texas	[20:42]
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undata	they hand them out in kindergarden there	[20:42]
Mikayla	I know	[20:42]
Mikayla	but a licence takes long	[20:42]
Mikayla	and registering	[20:42]
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mircea_popescu	;;ud deturdulation	[20:45]
gribble	Google found nothing.	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	totally should be a word.	[20:45]
punkman	;;ud deturdification	[20:48]
gribble	Google found nothing.	[20:48]
punkman	I didn't ask google!	[20:48]
mircea_popescu	nevertheless!	[20:48]
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PinkPosixPXE	!up Mikayla	[20:50]
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Mikayla	thanks :)	[20:51]
PinkPosixPXE	sure thing :)	[20:51]
mircea_popescu	the question as to exactly how assbot removes her voice is left as an exercise to the onanist.	[20:51]
Mikayla	he doesn't like my boobages	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	Mikayla get a wot account, i'll rate you, then you can self-voice and it be permanent.	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	lol well you do have perhaps the worst potato of a camera.	[20:52]
Mikayla	hush :/	[20:52]
Mikayla	It's the energy saving bulbs	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	bulbous energy savings.	[20:53]
PinkPosixPXE	Hope you can stay safe Mikayla, that sounds scary. Electric gate seem like a good idea, and dogs are great protectors, or at the very least alarm systems :). I should look into an electric gate, I want to setup a few security cams soon as well (despite living in a safe neighborhood, in my opinion, no where is truly safe).	[20:53]
undata	portland is filled with zombie bums on meth	[20:54]
undata	hence, weapons	[20:54]
mircea_popescu	PinkPosixPXE no, here it's safe.	[20:54]
undata	I got my first gun after being mugged in Houston	[20:54]
mircea_popescu	so if someone tries it again you gonna smoke the mofo ?	[20:55]
PinkPosixPXE	I do own a glock 19, and have a concealed carry permit, but I'd like to prevent intruders from even bothering, before facing the alternative...	[20:55]
Mikayla	it's illegal to shoot someone here though	[20:55]
Mikayla	no idea why then guns are even allowed?	[20:56]
PinkPosixPXE	Yea, I imagine the gun laws are much different	[20:56]
undata	mircea_popescu: it would have to escalate severely for me to consider it	[20:56]
Mikayla	I don't even think you're allowed a gun in public	[20:56]
Mikayla	I know it needs to be locked in a gun safe	[20:56]
mircea_popescu	weird, i thought the boers were all about gun slingin'.	[20:56]
Mikayla	"Please mister Robber. Wait a bit white I unlock my safe to get my gun"	[20:56]
undata	it's not as though I'd take joy in blowing some mentally ill guy away	[20:57]
PinkPosixPXE	yea, they'll hold the gun straight to your head, but you better keep yours in a safe so you are a 'law abiding citizen'	[20:57]
Mikayla	I'd shoot someone in my home who planned to make me statistic	[20:57]
undata	that's bullshit	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	undata my perhaps overstated point being that unless you're ready to shoot you don't really have much use for a gun.	[20:57]
Mikayla	LOL	[20:57]
Mikayla	exactly	[20:57]
undata	mircea_popescu: reach into bag, pull out?	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	and be fed it ?	[20:57]
undata	I tend to have a laptop on me	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	guns aren't really for showing.	[20:57]
Mikayla	they're meant for shooting	[20:58]
Mikayla	which sounds so redundant	[20:58]
undata	but I moved from Houston; Portland's less about mugging and more about the odd home invasion	[20:58]
mircea_popescu	Mikayla an' boots are made for walkin' ?	[20:58]
Mikayla	haha	[20:58]
Mikayla	I actually love boots	[20:58]
mircea_popescu	i have yet to meet a girl with big tits that hates boots.	[20:59]
undata	mircea_popescu: inside the house it'd take me about 5sec to be ready	[20:59]
Mikayla	think it's a standard?	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	i dunno, coincidence, rule of the universe, something in between...	[20:59]
Mikayla	heh	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	undata granted, against a home invasion it's a good play.	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	on the street tho... dubious at best.	[20:59]
PinkPosixPXE	In CCW training they really push the practice of grabbing your firearm as quickly as possible, and defending yourself as need be. Always keeping it in a specific spot most convenient for easy access.. etc.. just depends on the situation though.. Home vs. My car on the bad side of town..	[20:59]
Mikayla	other bit of security is that I don't go outside at night	[21:00]
undata	mircea_popescu: maybe when the US falls apart I can just strap it	[21:00]
PinkPosixPXE	They also go over all the legalities, and what you have to truly consider, and understand comes with using your weapon, or even pulling it out/unholstering it.	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	Mikayla do you go outside naked ?	[21:00]
Mikayla	I just take shitty webcam photos	[21:00]
Mikayla	lol	[21:00]
undata	but no, the streets aren't dangerous enough here to need that	[21:00]
Mikayla	It doesn't matter what a person goes out in	[21:01]
Mikayla	you're a target	[21:01]
Mikayla	found a man hidding in the bush once	[21:01]
Mikayla	a guy was with me and we were talking outside a neighbours home in a car	[21:01]
Mikayla	and he kept saying there's a man in that bush	[21:02]
Mikayla	it was a bush on a wall feature outside a gate	[21:02]
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Mikayla	truce as bob. It was man.	[21:02]
Mikayla	phoned the police. A year later they're yet to show up.	[21:02]
Mikayla	I'm sure it's not illegal for my dog to kill a man in my yard though?	[21:03]
Mikayla	;)	[21:03]
Mikayla	everything has a loop hole	[21:03]
mircea_popescu	it probably is, yeh	[21:03]
Mikayla	naaaaaah	[21:03]
Mikayla	I'll take my chances	[21:03]
undata	first thing after the revolution, some goddamn sovereignty over one's personal property	[21:06]
undata	Mikayla: sorry, the state obligates you to protect that man! he's just sick.	[21:07]
Mikayla	nah well the dog can't be legally punished	[21:07]
Mikayla	I think it is a loophole	[21:07]
Mikayla	they won't ask me to put my dog down who attacked a man in my property	[21:07]
mircea_popescu	hm	[21:07]
Mikayla	I win?	[21:08]
mircea_popescu	mebbe you do, iu have no idea what the law's like there.	[21:09]
Mikayla	you can't kill someone no matter what they do sort of law	[21:09]
Mikayla	you're meant to injure them	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	well honestly, if someone tried to mug me i'd rather shoot them in the shoulder than kill them.	[21:10]
mircea_popescu	if particularly obnoxious, shoot out each knee, then each hip, then each shoulder, then call them an ambulance.	[21:10]
Mikayla	the thing is they don't just mug you here	[21:10]
mircea_popescu	about even odds they ever mug anyone again, depending if they carry insurance.	[21:10]
mircea_popescu	Mikayla hence " Mikayla speaking of mob attack vibes, what's the situation there like, for a hot white gal ? to judge by the media reports it's nothing but a rapefest."	[21:11]
Mikayla	without dampening the mood here. There was a girl, around 16, gang raped by men and a broken beer bottle....	[21:11]
Mikayla	I'll take my chances of my dog killing the person	[21:11]
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mircea_popescu	well, but is it mostly factual or mostly media hysteria is what i want to know	[21:11]
Mikayla	the media reports very poorly	[21:12]
mircea_popescu	so how do you knoiw about this girl ?	[21:12]
Mikayla	arrest rate it poor	[21:12]
Mikayla	and a person doesn't stay in prison very long - one of the reasons being the prisons are too full	[21:12]
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undata	man... I am all for the revolutionary terror of women killing attempted rapists	[21:13]
mircea_popescu	undata women suck at killing men.	[21:13]
Mikayla	news - she was mentioned quite a lot in the news due to the disgusting nature of how she died and how long it took the find the culprits	[21:13]
mircea_popescu	Mikayla but do you see my point ?	[21:14]
undata	mircea_popescu: I sort of want to ask "why did no one escort her if it's that dangerous?"	[21:14]
undata	in most circles I think that labels me a sexist?	[21:14]
Mikayla	it's unfair to be chaperoned every where you go	[21:14]
Mikayla	and it isn't always easy	[21:14]
mircea_popescu	well, depends if she's the dependent sort of woman that lives as property of men or the independent sort that does not. for the latter your idea is scarcely a solution.	[21:15]
Mikayla	I've had to walk to buy electricity at night once	[21:15]
Mikayla	life happens	[21:15]
PinkPosixPXE	yea.. you can't always setup ideal situations	[21:15]
Mikayla	Only had one attack on me in the street and I was 17 then	[21:15]
mircea_popescu	Mikayla so what happened ?	[21:15]
undata	mircea_popescu \| undata women suck at killing men. << in a violent society, what's to be done about this fact?	[21:15]
Mikayla	some old homeless guy grabbed me	[21:15]
Mikayla	ok wait - twice.	[21:15]
mircea_popescu	undata nothing. a violent society forces women into dependent roles willy-nilly.	[21:15]
undata	not saying lets all convert to Islam; my lady walks around Portland herself just fine	[21:15]
Mikayla	first time 16 and the homeless guy tried to make out with me	[21:15]
Mikayla	it's unfair a person must live like they're in a prison	[21:16]
Mikayla	everyone has a right to freedome	[21:16]
mircea_popescu	Mikayla you know, the weird thing they do here, is try to kiss girls. just like that, randomly. cause this is romanticised, and so...	[21:16]
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mircea_popescu	Mikayla everyone has the right to the freedom they actually want.	[21:16]
undata	^^^	[21:17]
Mikayla	it's not like a person goes and walks in the street at night because they're bored	[21:17]
PinkPosixPXE	I worked at a datacenter, on graveyards for a while, in a rough part of town, and had to walk 3 blocks in the ghetto to a parking garage every night... I had a few scary encounters, and ended up carrying a stun gun at that point. The security gaurds could escort you only so far off the property too, so you just had to be on gaurd..	[21:18]
mircea_popescu	course the bitch of all time is that young women are exactly at an age when they're simultaneously a) unclear as to what they actually want and b) attractive. pretty much everyting about living things is made out of bottlenecks like that.	[21:18]
Mikayla	my fear of a weapon like a stun gun is that it gets used on me	[21:18]
mircea_popescu	Mikayla well, strong muscular contractions. sex toy basically.	[21:18]
Mikayla	lol	[21:19]
undata	haha oh dear	[21:19]
mircea_popescu	it is.	[21:19]
Mikayla	gosh reminding me of a movie :(	[21:19]
Mikayla	um...	[21:19]
Mikayla	I spit on your grave 2	[21:19]
PinkPosixPXE	Yea, any weapon you carry can be used against you, it's an important thing to be mindful of, that's where the training to use it, and learn some self defense tactics comes in.	[21:19]
mircea_popescu	undata what do you thing slavegirls wear dog collars for :D	[21:19]
Mikayla	at least with a gun the first shot has a major impact and quick	[21:19]
undata	mircea_popescu: in the case of the stun gun, you might get a little zap yourself	[21:19]
PinkPosixPXE	I'm very small, so someone's always going to have a natural advantage, strength wise.	[21:19]
Mikayla	oh I'm tiny	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	undata rapists these days use condoms.	[21:20]
Mikayla	5'3"	[21:20]
Mikayla	not here...	[21:20]
undata	mircea_popescu: man, progress everywhere...	[21:20]
Mikayla	gosh. I'm going to really warp your minds if I continue....	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	no hon, teh minds are well warped.	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	im taking credit for that one.	[21:20]
Mikayla	here it's a norm to rape a 3 day old baby :( the person doesn't even care what disease they have :(	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	Mikayla what's norm mean ? like, every 3yo you know got raped ?	[21:21]
PinkPosixPXE	4'11 :/ .. Yea, I'm already a little overly paranoid, I think it's wise to be so Mikayla, so good for you..	[21:21]
Mikayla	But I am a volunteer at the voting stations so hopefully it'll change	[21:21]
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mircea_popescu	wait.	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	wait a second.	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	PinkPosixPXE you're FOUR FEET ?!	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	!up Mikayla	[21:21]
-assbot-	You voiced Mikayla for 30 minutes.	[21:21]
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Mikayla	ta	[21:21]
Mikayla	mircea_popescu it happens A LOT	[21:22]
PinkPosixPXE	4 feet, 11 inches	[21:22]
undata	Mikayla: this is a poor black superstition thing right?	[21:22]
undata	this is what's not being mentioned	[21:22]
mircea_popescu	PinkPosixPXE so truly a pixie!	[21:22]
Mikayla	undata different reasons. Some believe having sex with a virgin cures age	[21:22]
mircea_popescu	Mikayla yes but what's a lot mean.	[21:22]
mircea_popescu	having sex with a virgin does not cure age.	[21:22]
Mikayla	mircea_popescu a baby is raped or killed every 3 seconds in Africa	[21:22]
mircea_popescu	having sex with a teenager cures age. and she'd better not be a virgin.	[21:22]
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mircea_popescu	Mikayla according to the news ?	[21:22]
Mikayla	ugh	[21:22]
undata	Mikayla: holy fucking statistic	[21:22]
Mikayla	shuddering	[21:22]
Mikayla	change of topic	[21:22]
Mikayla	mircea_popescu statistics	[21:23]
undata	Mikayla: govt ones?	[21:23]
mircea_popescu	published by whom ?	[21:23]
Mikayla	mircea_popescu reported crimes	[21:23]
Mikayla	nevermind those not reported...	[21:23]
mircea_popescu	to make perfectly clear, my issue here is this : if one knows (from the news) that a) X event happens and b) (the news) isn't reporting it frequently enough and c) )(other parties) aren't taking enough action,	[21:24]
Mikayla	"The rate of sexual violence in South Africa is among the highest in the world. Sexual violence is the use of force or manipulation to get someone to engage in unwanted sexual activity without his or her consent.[1] An estimated of 500,000 rape cases take place in the country, every year.["	[21:24]
mircea_popescu	this situation could be indicative of X not actually happening.	[21:24]
Mikayla	that's reported - which many aren't	[21:24]
PinkPosixPXE	mircea_popescu: yea, hehe, that's sort of how the nick evolved. Friends call me a variety of things like 'tinkerbell' etc.	[21:24]
mircea_popescu	Mikayla "an estimated" is not "a reported".	[21:24]
undata	it is true; it's important to avoid hysteria	[21:24]
Mikayla	they go on police reported numbers	[21:24]
Mikayla	I've been on the police website and seen the increases	[21:24]
Mikayla	it goes into multiple 100%'s a year	[21:24]
mircea_popescu	now, i know about this hysteria first hand, because some of the safest places i;'ve ever been in are convinced hteir problem is "security"	[21:24]
mircea_popescu	whereas utter shitholes like mexico think everything's mostly fine and dandy	[21:25]
Mikayla	South Africa is not safe	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	i've never been. fluffypony seems to think it's ok.	[21:25]
Mikayla	I know Mexico is big on taking someone for ransom	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	you seem to think it's not.	[21:25]
fluffypony	Mikayla: South Africa is great	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	the media is... well... a shitpile, as per usual. what's a guy to do to find out ?	[21:25]
Mikayla	here you get abused. raped. sodomised. killed. and they steal your phone.	[21:25]
fluffypony	plus I live there	[21:25]
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mircea_popescu	i bet all the "sodomised!!!" news items make it hard to get butt from one's gf.	[21:26]
Mikayla	fluffypony but to do so much to someone just to rob them?	[21:26]
Mikayla	even if they're 60?	[21:26]
Mikayla	lol mircea_popescu	[21:26]
decimation	Mikayla: if it suck so bad, why not go to another country not full of child rapists	[21:26]
Mikayla	serious need a happier topic	[21:26]
PinkPosixPXE	yea, I'm terrified of Mexico, despite people I know who still will vacation there. No thanks, I don't need to take the risk.	[21:26]
Mikayla	decimation I'm trying to help to change it	[21:27]
decimation	like new zealand	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	PinkPosixPXE only place where you can actually buy the head of the chief of police.	[21:27]
decimation	lol	[21:27]
Mikayla	or australia? lol	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	australia sucks	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	besides, cazalla's from there.	[21:27]
Mikayla	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZQ7NL-o6E8	[21:27]
assbot	Trevor Noah - Melbourne Comedy Festival - YouTube	[21:27]
*	undata shows his redneck	[21:27]
undata	this is why militias	[21:27]
Mikayla	I want to live in Cape Verde	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	"this" ?	[21:27]
undata	govts will just let the place burn	[21:27]
decimation	like, you are going to live in your locked mansion and fear the populace while you change them?	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	and militias won't ?!	[21:28]
undata	mircea_popescu: yes, militias tend to be drawn from the locale	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	you're at least naive.	[21:28]
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mircea_popescu	pro tip : yugoslav wars were militias.	[21:28]
Mikayla	decimation I am a volunteer at multiple charity organisations and I'm a volunteer for the voting stations to stop corruption	[21:28]
Mikayla	A girl can have hope.	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	a volunteer girl huh.	[21:28]
Mikayla	we're not zimbabwe... yet. ;)	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	someone get this chick a well paid job already.	[21:29]
decimation	maybe only 60% of the vote will go to the anc?	[21:29]
Mikayla	LOL	[21:29]
decimation	you might as well hope to push a lorry up a mountain	[21:29]
Mikayla	decimation they are declining in their voting numbers - even though they cheat	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony give her something to do so she can save enough to visit me!	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	i trust you, because you're married.	[21:29]
Mikayla	heh	[21:29]
fluffypony	Mikayla: are you in ZA?	[21:29]
Mikayla	yip	[21:29]
fluffypony	where?	[21:30]
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Mikayla	neeeeeigh my bru....	[21:30]
Mikayla	I don't give those sort of details :/	[21:30]
fluffypony	moenie so wees nie	[21:30]
Duffer1	30 min talk about rape	[21:30]
Duffer1	asks where she lives	[21:30]
HeySteve	Mikayla you can trust fluffypony	[21:30]
fluffypony	ek vra net	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	wait. fucking wait.	[21:30]
Mikayla	PE	[21:30]
fluffypony	HeySteve is super dodgy	[21:30]
Mikayla	haha	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	south africans hello is NEEEIGH ?!	[21:30]
Mikayla	I bet	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	what are you people, fucking centaurs ?!	[21:30]
fluffypony	omg you're like round the corner from me	[21:30]
fluffypony	I'm in Plett	[21:30]
HeySteve	heh he knows me so well	[21:30]
HeySteve	anyway I'm out have a good evening all	[21:31]
fluffypony	HeySteve:-P	[21:31]
undata	mircea_popescu: how developed was yugoslavia at the time? what other factors (economic, social) were involved?	[21:31]
Mikayla	lol mircea_popescu	[21:31]
mircea_popescu	undata the most developed warsaw pact country.	[21:31]
Mikayla	I'm talking like a "cape coloured"	[21:31]
Mikayla	neeeeigh aka no	[21:31]
undata	mircea_popescu: in the wake of a collapse wouldn't there be warfare to be expected?	[21:31]
Mikayla	I like Plett but I bet christmas time it's too full for a normal citizen	[21:31]
mircea_popescu	undata the following factor is involved : me and a buddy will kick your ass. you and four buddies will kick our ass. the 100 man militia kicks the 50 man militia, right or wrong.	[21:31]
fluffypony	Mikayla: listen, man, PE is a bit of a dead zone, maar jy kan ook kaap toe	[21:32]
undata	mircea_popescu: in a time of fracture I'd expect that anyway though	[21:32]
mircea_popescu	soon enough the militias are making armies and withdrawing from towns for pure strategic reasons.	[21:32]
undata	yeah I see your point	[21:32]
Mikayla	fluffypony ya no... we're become a major fuck up... lol. You're DA territory so it's different	[21:32]
mircea_popescu	right ? so, no. the problem isn't govt being deliberately evil.	[21:32]
mircea_popescu	the problem is that the worlkd is made so the weak get raped	[21:32]
fluffypony	Mikayla: yisssss, we're borderline Eastern Cape tho :-P	[21:32]
mircea_popescu	fucking point of life, that's how we're even here in the first place.	[21:32]
fluffypony	Bitou Municipality ftw!	[21:32]
Mikayla	fluffypony pretty much. Haha. You're like the Mexico of America. lol	[21:33]
undata	mircea_popescu: so then... why would I want the social groups closest to me to be weak?	[21:33]
Mikayla	is it called Bitou? LOL	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	undata well, depends what you like.	[21:33]
fluffypony	yup	[21:33]
fluffypony	we're that cool	[21:33]
Mikayla	it sounds like a torrent app. lol	[21:33]
fluffypony	"where are you?" "BITOU, my ou"	[21:33]
undata	mircea_popescu: I want my private property, my family, and my friends to be protected.	[21:33]
Mikayla	fluffypony sjoe... super flow... lol	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	asks where she lives << you know nine out of ten people enjoy a gangbang.	[21:33]
fluffypony	lol	[21:33]
fluffypony	net so	[21:33]
Mikayla	oh I missed that	[21:34]
Mikayla	fluffypony - you're not allowed to gang bang me.	[21:34]
undata	and I want a piece of dirt big enough to contain all of those	[21:34]
Mikayla	by no circumstances!	[21:34]
undata	and the right to defend that smallish rectangle of dirt	[21:34]
fluffypony	my wife and I would never allow that, so you're all good	[21:34]
undata	other than that, let whatever powers that be do their thing.	[21:34]
Mikayla	cool	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	undata well sure, and i want to sprout sandalwood.	[21:35]
undata	mircea_popescu: the above is in no way fanciful.	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	by what standard ?	[21:36]
undata	mircea_popescu: I've told you what I want; you tell me why I can't have it.	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	because you've defined what you want using undefined functions.	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	use the api as is, not the api as you think it should be.	[21:36]
chetty	cheat, works for me	[21:37]
mircea_popescu	yeah, works for as long as it does.	[21:37]
undata	mircea_popescu: given "otherwise let the powers that be do their thing", I can likely implement the above in any moderately stable state	[21:38]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony Mikayla for my own trivia file, what's "da territory" ?	[21:38]
undata	give them their paper, sign their stupid documents	[21:38]
undata	and otherwise, big fence, you're not coming in	[21:38]
mircea_popescu	undata no, but you can give yourself a passible illusion that you have.	[21:38]
decimation	I guess white folk in za have already been strongly selected, those who think there's no hope have already left.	[21:38]
Mikayla	hey?	[21:38]
fluffypony	da territory?	[21:38]
fluffypony	never heard of it	[21:38]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony ya no... we're become a major fuck up... lol. You're DA territory so it's different <<	[21:38]
fluffypony	OH	[21:38]
Mikayla	haha!	[21:39]
fluffypony	lol	[21:39]
Mikayla	Democratic Alliance	[21:39]
fluffypony	DA = Democratic Alliance	[21:39]
Mikayla	poltical party	[21:39]
Mikayla	the best. But not where I am.	[21:39]
undata	mircea_popescu: what higher freedom than being unpestered for a bit exists?	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	none.	[21:39]
Mikayla	I sounded kinda gang	[21:39]
Mikayla	gangsta	[21:39]
undata	mircea_popescu: well... that's all I'm after.	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	undata higher level results are hard on low level machines :)	[21:40]
Mikayla	I feel super hard core.	[21:40]
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undata	mircea_popescu: we all die in the end anyway	[21:40]
decimation	sun just farted an X1.0 class flare	[21:40]
chetty	mircea_popescu: what higher freedom than being unpestered for a bit exists?	[21:40]
chetty	none.//doing the pestering	[21:40]
Mikayla	night time here	[21:40]
mircea_popescu	that's not freedom, that's enjoyment :D	[21:40]
undata	I have no desire to be the glorious leader.	[21:40]
undata	I just want to build things.	[21:40]
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undata	maybe the glorious leader can benefit from my unpestered creativity and we can come to some arrangement	[21:41]
decimation	or maybe he will convert you to bio-diesel	[21:41]
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undata	and maybe the sun will engulf the earth	[21:41]
undata	living in fear is being dead already	[21:42]
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mircea_popescu	undata but you see why you can't have them, right ?	[21:43]
mircea_popescu	not saying you shouldn't want em, but still.	[21:43]
undata	mircea_popescu: maybe wanting them is one half of a dynamic system	[21:43]
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mircea_popescu	!up Mikayla	[21:44]
-assbot-	You voiced Mikayla for 30 minutes.	[21:44]
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Mikayla	wow that was a long hiccup	[21:44]
Mikayla	thanks Hellkom.	[21:45]
undata	I'm trying to find whether it's true that Hitler was going to kill his rocket scientists.	[21:45]
mircea_popescu	nah.	[21:45]
undata	mircea_popescu: seems propaganda	[21:45]
mircea_popescu	stalin did kill his army generals toh.	[21:45]
Mikayla	he was pretty sick in the head	[21:45]
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Mikayla	I wouldn't put anything past Hitel	[21:45]
Mikayla	Hitler*	[21:45]
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Mikayla	But I have a major respect for him on how he collected such a large following	[21:46]
undata	if it were true, it'd be a great example of power over sense	[21:46]
Mikayla	not being a good speaker he still had a crowd begging to hear him	[21:46]
mircea_popescu	Mikayla especially women.	[21:46]
mircea_popescu	"Thanks for continuously debunking modern myths." <<< ahh makes me all warm inside. for what else is the scholar, if not the mythbuster.	[21:46]
undata	the short term benefit of enemies not learning the same rocketry secrets trumping the long term benefit of.... more fucking rockets	[21:46]
undata	and oh, causing your remaining engineers to go crazy.	[21:48]
Mikayla	[20:46] [Mikayla PING reply]: 49secs	[21:50]
Mikayla	-	[21:50]
Mikayla	sjoe	[21:50]
Mikayla	my internets are sucking tonight	[21:50]
undata	there's a greater gulf between feared and feared-and-loved than most leaders seem to know	[21:51]
mircea_popescu	undata kinda the difference between friendzone and sex slave.	[21:52]
Mikayla	heh	[21:53]
undata	haha	[21:53]
undata	mircea_popescu: oh, in your definition is the "need to belong" reciprocal?	[21:55]
undata	I thought about that after the conversation. Particularly, what happens when you reach the top?	[21:56]
mircea_popescu	definition of which ?	[21:56]
undata	we were talking about the inherent need for humans to belong, i.e. slavery	[21:56]
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mircea_popescu	from the joys of debugging c : "I got a print in the middle of a loop and I discover it loops half the time returning pointers and half actual data"	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	undata ah ah. well, it's unclear. i think for most people at the top of their pyramid it's abstracted one way or the other.	[21:57]
undata	mircea_popescu: "belongs to God" "the cause" something?	[21:58]
mircea_popescu	if it becomes bijective the whole thing's condemned to ruin.	[21:58]
mircea_popescu	kinda why hereditary systems do not work, ever. while the founder can not give a shit about his crown,	[21:58]
mircea_popescu	his son is born as the son of the guy wioth the crown, and it can never can become quite the "whatever!" thing for him.	[21:58]
mircea_popescu	undata well, words fail.	[21:58]
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undata	mircea_popescu: the semi-formed thought is that not belonging might be the cost	[22:05]
undata	still thinking about it	[22:05]
Mikayla	I have never been so thirsty in my life	[22:05]
Mikayla	gosh.	[22:05]
Mikayla	being hungover sucks	[22:05]
mircea_popescu	only if you drink crap alcohol.	[22:05]
Mikayla	why is alcohol the one thing a person nevers learns from?	[22:05]
mircea_popescu	spoend the night drinking romanian plum distilate, the hangover's a pleasure.	[22:05]
Mikayla	gosh I think it was the combination	[22:06]
mircea_popescu	the roofies ?	[22:06]
undata	mircea_popescu: is plum liquor as delicious as it sounds?	[22:06]
Mikayla	well I am a woman and I was in a gay bar so I don't think that was the case	[22:06]
Mikayla	lol	[22:06]
mircea_popescu	undata tuica ? yes.	[22:06]
undata	I wonder if they have that here	[22:07]
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mircea_popescu	gotta be the actual stuff tho.	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	not just crapola generic alcohol with a label aded as they still do in the us.	[22:09]
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bounce	dunno 'bout dem gayse. mebbe dey serve roofies standard dere, yanno.	[22:13]
bounce	though the standard fix for hangover is to just drink lots of water before going to bed.	[22:14]
mircea_popescu	well actually cabbage juice is the best fix.	[22:15]
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mircea_popescu	but yeah, water helps a lot.	[22:15]
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undata	also gorging on food	[22:15]
undata	before bed	[22:15]
undata	there's this poutine cart here that's a good 3am last stop	[22:16]
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Adlai	bounce: better yet, alternate alcoholic and non-alcoholic drinks	[22:25]
Adlai	even better, instead of water, drink water with ice + lemon, people think you're drinking twice as much alcohol and you can act twice as drunk	[22:26]
mircea_popescu	what is this, "how to drink like a girl" ?	[22:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.0007869 = 8.8133 BTC [-]	[22:27]
*	asciilifeform reading logs, misread 'public key' as 'pubic key'	[22:29]
kakobrekla	are you complaining about the font ?	[22:30]
asciilifeform	font lol no	[22:30]
*	asciilifeform runs local fonts	[22:30]
Adlai	indeed i do drink like a girl, i usually regret not doing so	[22:31]
undata	Adlai: just drink your fill, don't put on a show	[22:31]
undata	who gives a shit how much you drink	[22:31]
mircea_popescu	undata the guy trying to get you drunk ?	[22:32]
undata	is Adlai a girl?	[22:32]
mircea_popescu	the border is ever blurring.	[22:32]
Adlai	well, alternating drinks takes most of the bite out of the hangover, and gives the opportunity for a show	[22:32]
*	Adlai is not a girl	[22:32]
mircea_popescu	nttiawwt ?	[22:33]
Adlai	wutwutwut?	[22:33]
undata	farming cred with shirley temples	[22:33]
undata	lol	[22:33]
mircea_popescu	;;ud nttiawwt	[22:33]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=NTTIAWWT \| Jan 13, 2008 ... An acronym for "not that there is anything wrong with that".	[22:33]
Adlai	there's wishes and then there's fact	[22:34]
mircea_popescu	wait, you WISH you were a girl ?	[22:34]
mircea_popescu	isn't that like... even worse than actually being a girl ?	[22:34]
Adlai	not often enough to care much tbh	[22:35]
mircea_popescu	well i guess yo uat least don't wish you were a pony LIKE SOME PEOPLE	[22:35]
Adlai	being a dolphin would be sweeeet though	[22:35]
mircea_popescu	cause of the two foot schlong ?	[22:35]
Adlai	i'd name myself x!dlai	[22:35]
*	asciilifeform would rather be the sandworm from 'dune' - does that count...?	[22:36]
Adlai	sure	[22:36]
ben_vulpes	;;google fuck you i'm a dragon	[22:36]
gribble	F*ck you! I'm a Dragon! \| Know Your Meme: ; Fuck you, I'm a dragon! - Encyclopedia Dramatica: ; Fuck you, I'm a Dragon.:	[22:36]
mircea_popescu	isn't the sandworm from dune essentially an animated shit ?	[22:36]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: sandworm or god emperor?	[22:36]
Adlai	iirc it's the eventual evolution of other sandworms' shit, through little worms, to big worms	[22:37]
mircea_popescu	speaking of which, http://41.media.tumblr.com/484899cddebfa764e3ab09c49e94c3ff/tumblr_n4wvcvz67S1stazr1o1_500.jpg	[22:38]
asciilifeform	but hey, with style.	[22:38]
asciilifeform	and substance.	[22:38]
mircea_popescu	i thought it was mostly size.	[22:38]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: women suck at killing men << elaborate. doesn't the invention of light small arms sorta even the odds ?	[22:40]
mircea_popescu	nope.	[22:40]
cazalla	danielpbarron: cazalla, might be news or something: https://twitter.com/jja0/status/525873770188128256 <<< those have been around a while now	[22:41]
assbot	I just funded my absolutely GORGEOUS /hashtag/kialara?src=hash cold storage /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash token! https://t.co/1hi8mpUgpP http://t.co/y00aQO2Tws	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	i dunno, maybe it's the fact that women actually know how much fucking energy goes into making men, and don't so well manage to ignore it. or because they're emotionally clingy. or simply because that's how genders are hardcoded.	[22:41]
asciilifeform	lemme guess, they neglect target practice, maintenance, etc ?	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	but in any case, men tend to hurt women and women can't really get themselves to kill me.	[22:41]
asciilifeform	hm	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	to quote an ancient song,	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	Denn träfe jede Kugel apart ihren Mann, wo kriegten die Könige ihre Soldaten dann?	[22:42]
asciilifeform	lol!!!	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	the gun's not the problem.	[22:42]
asciilifeform	fredericus rex!	[22:42]
*	asciilifeform sings	[22:42]
asciilifeform	well, there are various folks living with 'pet' tigers, lions. famous joker with 7 tigers, was it, in brazil? i sorta assumed mircea_popescu's pets were similarly tame.	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	my dead nigger storage bills would be a lot more mangeable if only that were the case.	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	but no. ironically, natasha makes a much better assassin than serghey can ever hope to be.	[22:45]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28250 @ 0.00078367 = 22.1387 BTC [-]	[22:45]
PinkPosixPXE	wow those are beautiful... they put the Casascius coin to shame https://www.casascius.com/	[22:47]
assbot	Physical Bitcoins by Casascius	[22:47]
*	Adlai loves finding these little gems... https://blog.conformal.com/bip0064-not-yet/#comment-667	[22:47]
assbot	BIP0064 – Not yet. \| Conformal Systems, LLC.	[22:47]
cazalla	mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/mika.jpg << not bad eh ? <<< nice tits, shame about her going bald	[22:47]
asciilifeform	re: 'BIP': http://pbfcomics.com/194	[22:48]
assbot	The Perry Bible Fellowship	[22:48]
mircea_popescu	Mikayla ^ lmao	[22:48]
mircea_popescu	!up Mikayla	[22:48]
-assbot-	You voiced Mikayla for 30 minutes.	[22:48]
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Mikayla	ya thanks :/	[22:48]
mircea_popescu	cazalla you know, i think she also has indiscriminate sex with black men.	[22:48]
PinkPosixPXE	I'll have to google more images and info to see better shots of the kialara coin, they look pretty intricate, and much more secure than the sticker holograms on the casascius coin	[22:49]
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mircea_popescu	PinkPosixPXE link if you find a good one ?	[22:49]
PinkPosixPXE	https://www.casascius.com/	[22:50]
assbot	Physical Bitcoins by Casascius	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	no, those i know.	[22:50]
PinkPosixPXE	errr wrong paste buffer	[22:50]
PinkPosixPXE	http://www.maxfield.me/2014/09/11/coinbase/	[22:50]
assbot	Kialara Physical Bitcoin « Photography, Illustration & Creative Retouching – Portfolio of Maxfield Mellenbruch	[22:50]
PinkPosixPXE	That shows a diagram of how it's assembled, and has an image gallery as well linked	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	$100 each ?	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	and if it's buyer funded why is it .1 btc	[22:51]
Adlai	also smancy photos here - https://ounce.me/blog/proof-of-art-kialara-bitcoin-bar-is-magically-delicious/	[22:51]
assbot	Proof of Art: Kialara Bitcoin Bar is Magically Delicious \| Ounce.me	[22:51]
*	asciilifeform really still doesn't grasp the preoccupation with 'physical bitcoins'	[22:52]
asciilifeform	car-with-reins.	[22:52]
kakobrekla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-09-2014#842126	[22:52]
assbot	Logged on 23-09-2014 13:15:52; kakobrekla: http://imgur.com/a/4PyZK < wtf, so much overhead for 100kbits	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform people like to fiddle and fidget. do you fidget ?	[22:52]
asciilifeform	love to fidget.	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	so then ?	[22:52]
PinkPosixPXE	yea, I don't like the .1btc limit, but if i had one for novelty, eh..	[22:52]
PinkPosixPXE	expensive though	[22:52]
punkman	punkbot almost ready for ddos!	[22:52]
PinkPosixPXE	may be they'll go down in price over time	[22:52]
PinkPosixPXE	very pretty, and I like the design	[22:53]
Adlai	couldn't you commission one with a larger value engraved, based on how much you want to store?	[22:53]
kakobrekla	i dont care, i wipe my ass with iphones 6	[22:53]
mircea_popescu	i have no idea how they could limit the balance anyway	[22:53]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla does that rhyme in slovenlian ?	[22:53]
PinkPosixPXE	oh it's more of a "please do not load more than .1btc" request	[22:54]
Adlai	why does the damn thing say "blockchain.info" though _<	[22:54]
asciilifeform	how they could limit the balance << obvious! they watch the addr, if it's over limit - they pump out the excess, using privkey	[22:54]
kakobrekla	everything can rhyme here.	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform loller.	[22:54]
asciilifeform	amazing service.	[22:54]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[22:54]
cazalla	undata: mircea_popescu: I sort of want to ask "why did no one escort her if it's that dangerous?" <<< you need to stop victim blaming	[22:54]
kakobrekla	oh it's more of a "please do not load more than .1btc" request < or it MAY break under the weight	[22:54]
Adlai	but umm yeah... you're buying private keys. this is silly.	[22:54]
punkman	mircea_popescu: could you put a gpg msg in a trilema comment without all the <br>s (say, inside a <pre> tag), want to test with bot	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	punkman that's how they already work ? brb!	[22:55]
asciilifeform	stun gun is that it gets used on me << in some u.s. cities, policemen are required to take a zap gun shot before they are licensed.	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/bitbet-sbbet-july-2014-statement/#comment-103967 punkman that work ?	[22:55]
assbot	BitBet (S.BBET) July 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[22:55]
ben_vulpes	but umm yeah... you're buying private keys. this is silly. << http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/10/22_technical-flaws-in-early-ether-wallet-implementations.html	[22:56]
assbot	Technical Flaws in Early Ether Wallet Implementations	[22:56]
kakobrekla	uhh?	[22:56]
ben_vulpes	in retrospect that should be "ether distribution"	[22:56]
ben_vulpes	i was very tired when i wrote that.	[22:56]
punkman	mircea_popescu: that has s in msg	[22:56]
mircea_popescu	ah shit.	[22:56]
undata	cazalla: that's a moron's interpretation of what was said.	[22:57]
asciilifeform	safest places i;'ve ever been in are convinced hteir problem is "security" << gedankenexperiment. who is likely to see a free-range lion as an irritant? inhabitant of savannah, or of new york where one escaped from zoo?	[22:57]
Adlai	ben_vulpes: so you're telling me people paid btc for private keys that someday will contain inflationary vaporware?	[22:59]
cazalla	undata, relax, i'm just doing some early morning trollin' :P	[23:00]
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ben_vulpes	I've had to walk to buy electricity at night once << bwaaat	[23:00]
ben_vulpes	Adlai: you're welcome.	[23:00]
Adlai	lol	[23:00]
Adlai	i wasn't too near it ten minutes ago either	[23:00]
undata	cazalla: haha, noted	[23:01]
punkman	prepaid electricity meter? those are hilarious	[23:01]
asciilifeform	over here, they give'em to folks who've gone bankrupt and lowered into pederasty on account of it	[23:02]
asciilifeform	utility connections count as 'credit' in usa	[23:02]
mircea_popescu	punkman http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/mpoe_sign.txt	[23:03]
mircea_popescu	the thing copumpkin was asking for a while back :D	[23:03]
punkman	mircea_popescu: I was thinking I could be grabbing reports straight from comments, so you don't have to make pastebins	[23:03]
mircea_popescu	well then you'll have to filter html out of them	[23:04]
mircea_popescu	cuz comments gotta be displayed	[23:04]
*	Adlai can't tell whether "popescuity" is related to pope or promiscuity, or both	[23:04]
punkman	<pre> solves that	[23:04]
punkman	or maybe not, depends on your wp I guess	[23:04]
mircea_popescu	notrly, it just gives responsibility to not breaking the page to the author of the message	[23:04]
mircea_popescu	which is not something he should be stuck with	[23:05]
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punkman	just needs overflow:scroll, magic	[23:05]
cazalla	mircea_popescu: australia sucks <<< not rly, no blacks to steal white wimminz	[23:05]
mircea_popescu	how about just nuke stuff between <>s	[23:05]
punkman	but other deeds might have html	[23:05]
ben_vulpes	NO	[23:06]
ben_vulpes	NO HTML	[23:06]
mircea_popescu	cazalla to recycle an argument from above, who is more likely to fellate a hippo ? people in the savannah, who get it up the ass all the time anyway, or people in new york ?	[23:06]
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asciilifeform	anybody else here built the test turd?	[23:06]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu?	[23:06]
PinkPosixPXE	12:51 <+Adlai> why does the damn thing say "blockchain.info" though >_< << It says "Verify Balance at" (on top) then "Blockchain.info" at the bottom, for idiots I suppose.	[23:06]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: building.	[23:06]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform ich bin nicth ein berlincoder!	[23:06]
asciilifeform	ehe	[23:06]
asciilifeform	anyone who can't build that one, has problems, given as it is almost virginal	[23:07]
ben_vulpes	wrote my own patch ripping out upnp dependency, build is now taking forever.	[23:07]
cazalla	mircea_popescu, you're right, i imagine the few blacks that are here get a lot of white wimminz	[23:07]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: broadcast it!	[23:07]
mircea_popescu	srsly, just because i can do most of the tasks one can do with a computer does not mean im particularly good at it.	[23:07]
undata	anybody know how big the testnet blockchain is?	[23:07]
mircea_popescu	undata it gets reset periodically iirc	[23:07]
ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: "let me fly the plane! i've got like 20 sim hours!"	[23:07]
*	asciilifeform isn't especially good at it either, and can't even remember how he was provoked into doing it	[23:07]
undata	mircea_popescu: so tiny, k	[23:07]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes moar like "lemme pull on that plunger. sims are for sissies anyway."	[23:08]
ben_vulpes	that's a narrow hair from "just one more bag - it'll be fine."	[23:08]
asciilifeform	build is now taking forever << wai wat!? takes ~3 minutes on my (ancient, circa '07) box	[23:08]
mircea_popescu	cazalla you'd prolly love argentina. basically their citizenship criteria is "are you black ?", and black people are stuck doing street vending.	[23:08]
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mircea_popescu	i've yet to see a mixed couple on the street	[23:09]
Mikayla	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dauJIa55fFs	[23:09]
assbot	Allan Gray Pretty Percy - YouTube	[23:09]
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Mikayla	amazing advert and song	[23:09]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[23:09]
Mikayla	think you guys will enjoy it	[23:09]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: i'm running it in a debian vm	[23:09]
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Mikayla	deep and thought provoking for less than a minute vid	[23:09]
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ben_vulpes	turds in turds on turds	[23:09]
asciilifeform	debian vm << running on what, x86 emulator on 'nintendo' ?	[23:09]
ben_vulpes	macos	[23:09]
mircea_popescu	Mikayla wtf is an allan gray	[23:09]
asciilifeform	lolos	[23:09]
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kakobrekla	north apple is best apple.	[23:10]
Mikayla	investment company	[23:10]
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asciilifeform	incidentally, anyone here a collector/connoisseur of ancient game machines?	[23:10]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: mocking paupers :(	[23:10]
asciilifeform	and knows of one with civilized rng	[23:10]
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cazalla	mircea_popescu, fwiw, even if you were the biggest blackest nigger in all of the lands, i'd still come here each day and listen	[23:10]
Mikayla	lol	[23:10]
asciilifeform	would be hilarious to port the 'red' half of bitcoind to that.	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform wasn't it illegal to have a game machine with rng ?	[23:10]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 'commodore-64' was legal	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	cazalla well then, i got a confession to make.	[23:11]
asciilifeform	though not strictly a game machine	[23:11]
Mikayla	cazalla kinda harsh?	[23:11]
Mikayla	lol	[23:11]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: north apple is best apple << that'd be soviet 'agat' computer ?	[23:11]
asciilifeform	(apple-II clone)	[23:11]
cazalla	Mikayla, how is that harsh? i just said i don't really care, i just go for low hanging troll fruits	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	"and the snake then tempted eve to upgrade"	[23:12]
asciilifeform	mocking paupers << lol, if ben_vulpes is pauper, i must be... a dervish?	[23:12]
mircea_popescu	you're alternatively paupered.	[23:12]
*	asciilifeform likes this concept	[23:12]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: at any rate, this is doubly funny to me, given that i grew up associating apple hardware with 'decadent rich'	[23:14]
cazalla	while i was sleeping "fivezerotwo> let's talk" has he been around?	[23:14]
mircea_popescu	http://bitcoin-otc.com/newsite/viewratingdetail.php?nick=mircea_popescu <<< lol poor nano is running out of red ink and font thickness	[23:14]
assbot	Rating Details for User 'mircea_popescu'	[23:14]
Adlai	sometimes the line between retard and genius blurs: https://i.imgur.com/m09yFoF.mp4	[23:14]
mircea_popescu	;;seen fivezerotwo	[23:15]
gribble	fivezerotwo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 18 hours, 11 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: That's doubtful, perhaps you got banned	[23:15]
cazalla	;;later tell fivezerotwo i was asleep, email or say whatever it is you want to say in pm	[23:16]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[23:16]
asciilifeform	wasn't it illegal to have a game machine with rng << reminds me of...	[23:18]
asciilifeform	'...since there're SO many Sega 64s floating around in the States and indeed, the world, there's probably many people alive today who wouldn't be if their governments could crack their secure messages. I'm told that at least two democratic revolutions were made possible, in part, due to PGP S-64. Right now, myself and several others are attempting to create a version of StegoSaur for the S-64. That one extra	[23:19]
asciilifeform	layer of protection could be very useful for a lot of people in the future, the way things are going in most of the world. We do have the stripper for the S-64 that strips the hidden data from a StegoSaur file, but it really should go both ways."'	[23:19]
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asciilifeform	(ancient work of fiction! http://www.textfiles.com/groups/CDC/cDc-0269.txt )	[23:19]
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*	xinxi has quit (Quit: xinxi)	[23:24]
*	bitstein (~bitstein@cpe-72-182-53-175.austin.res.rr.com) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:26]
*	assbot gives voice to bitstein	[23:27]
asciilifeform	ah, and, is the turdomatic broadcast station ready? (jurov ?)	[23:27]
*	asciilifeform nominates mac and win32 ifdefs for next firing squad	[23:28]
asciilifeform	and, naturally, ssl	[23:28]
ben_vulpes	decadent rich << describes clients and their target customers quite well	[23:28]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes manufactures fine golden toilets ?	[23:28]
ben_vulpes	i and boys slave in golden cage, fabbing golden toilets	[23:29]
asciilifeform	need test-shitter ?	[23:29]
asciilifeform	!s saxophone	[23:29]
assbot	2 results for 'saxophone' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=saxophone	[23:29]
bounce	re nanotube running out of red, bit of a sign the communication isn't working, so more of the same isn't really the proper answer.	[23:30]
bounce	but hey, maybe he just likes that 1995 look, who knows	[23:30]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: spitoon, rather.	[23:30]
asciilifeform	lol re: util.cpp ! /dev/urandom !?	[23:30]
*	nubbins` (~leel@stjhnf0157w-047055221135.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOp.nl.bellaliant.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:30]
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asciilifeform	and the turd's 'GetPerformanceCounter()' actually uses unix epoch time on non-winblows systems.	[23:34]
asciilifeform	never-ending lulzmine	[23:34]
*	asciilifeform wonders what to do if he finds, well, an anal orifice	[23:35]
*	ziggamon has quit (Quit: ziggamon)	[23:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47700 @ 0.00074148 = 35.3686 BTC [-]	[23:36]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: builds, runs.	[23:37]
asciilifeform	congrats ben_vulpes	[23:40]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes fuhrer of new reactionary btc phoundation ?	[23:41]
ben_vulpes	!up nubbins`	[23:41]
*	assbot gives voice to nubbins`	[23:41]
ben_vulpes	impostor	[23:41]
nubbins`	tyvm	[23:41]
nubbins`	busy weekend but have been reading logs. asciilifeform, sounds like your surgery is going well so far	[23:41]
nubbins`	bitcoin foundation charter looks good, i may propose some minor changes when i get a chance to give it another read	[23:41]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: surgery was minor shave. just to demonstrate concept of what kind of turd jurov's turdomatic ought to accept	[23:41]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: next step is to coerce 'git' into pooping out sane patch	[23:41]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: tried this, was disappointed	[23:41]
nubbins`	asciilifeform nod. your chicken recipe follows a nice format too	[23:42]
asciilifeform	went with ordinary diff -uNr a b > bitcoin-blahblah.patch	[23:42]
ben_vulpes	am now squarely out of competence zone	[23:42]
ben_vulpes	'competence'	[23:42]
asciilifeform	forget git here	[23:42]
asciilifeform	doesn't help.	[23:42]
thestringpuller	turd surgery	[23:42]
thestringpuller	the turd is polished?	[23:42]
nubbins`	thestringpuller heh	[23:42]
asciilifeform	frozen turd on lathe.	[23:42]
nubbins`	i had dick surgery last night	[23:43]
nubbins`	and the room fell silent	[23:44]
cazalla	well how much did they remove nubbins`	[23:44]
bounce	"git format-patch" no good, why?	[23:44]
asciilifeform	try it	[23:44]
nubbins`	cazalla only the frequencies i don't really use	[23:44]
nubbins`	http://imgur.com/uGhZmTJ	[23:44]
assbot	imgur: the simple image sharer	[23:44]
nubbins`	i swear that's me beside the bright yellow light	[23:45]
bounce	used it often enough. seems to work reasonably well.	[23:45]
cazalla	someone is blocking the fire exit	[23:45]
asciilifeform	!s patch binaries	[23:45]
assbot	7 results for 'patch binaries' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=patch+binaries	[23:45]
*	asciilifeform solved this by abolishing all non-ascii crud from package, would like to suggest this as a permanent condition	[23:46]
bounce	venue people's job to check all fire exits before the party starts and keep 'em open during, too.	[23:46]
jurov	lol poor nano is running out of red ink and font thickness << there's always the blink tag	[23:46]
*	bounce doesn't object to ascii-only. 80 cols max while at it please.	[23:46]
bounce	blink got deimplemented to the point that people're reimplementing it with javascript.	[23:47]
mircea_popescu	well... "people"	[23:47]
jurov	turdomatic broadcast station ready? << on it	[23:47]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: tooling question: when working on the actual c files, should i be working in a parallel directory and then diff -uNr original_dir my_dir > patch.diff?	[23:48]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: i've an actual 'a' and 'b'	[23:48]
asciilifeform	so yes.	[23:48]
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ben_vulpes	mkay.	[23:48]
*	asciilifeform would like to turn this into an unofficial 'gentoo' overlay at some point	[23:49]
asciilifeform	but the canonical copy (to the extent this term makes sense here) should probably be distributed via jurov's turdatron.	[23:50]
nubbins`	<+cazalla> someone is blocking the fire exit <<< that's actually the guitarist	[23:50]
nubbins`	he barfed all over Ted's bass after	[23:50]
ben_vulpes	turd_vendor	[23:50]
*	asciilifeform wonders if this escapade will progress much faster than one could reasonably expect, on account of people like jurov, mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes - who actually use bitcoin 'in anger' - succumbing to the temptation to release some of their secret mods.	[23:51]
ben_vulpes	i doubt it, but who can ever tell.	[23:51]
jurov	sadly no secret mods here. my wet dreams are dedicated to haskoin	[23:51]
asciilifeform	well - the spittoon is here. shiny, new, brass. spit away, gentlemen.	[23:52]
jurov	but i consider this effor immensely useful	[23:52]
nubbins`	asciilifeform what's the current line count?	[23:52]
asciilifeform	find b/ -xtype f -print0 \| xargs -0 wc -l	[23:54]
asciilifeform	26321 total.	[23:54]
asciilifeform	includes various junk though.	[23:54]
*	assbot gives voice to TheNewDeal	[23:54]
TheNewDeal	in reference to the talk about nail guns before, they would definitely be useful as a weapon for inflicting fatal wounds, and they can be purchased at your local hardware store. my opinion	[23:54]
asciilifeform	nubbins` et al can easily answer questions like that on his own	[23:54]
undata	https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2k9v8q/givedirectly_claims_aid_system_is_broken_and_the/ << LOOOL advocating giving bitcoin to the poor	[23:55]
assbot	GiveDirectly claims Aid system is broken and the most efficient aid system is ... giving direct cash to the poor using new technology . Should we mail them? : Bitcoin	[23:55]
undata	and they will spend it how?	[23:55]
nubbins`	too true :/	[23:55]
jurov	give them microscopes!	[23:56]
undata	maybe paper wallets provided there's anywhere to spend one in person (there isn't)	[23:56]
nubbins`	that's actually not bad, only ~425 pages	[23:56]
cazalla	TheNewDeal, you know that's not even an option here for if you used it on an intruder, you would need to explain "legitimate use" for keeping a nailgun next to your bed or in bedroom	[23:56]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: most of that crud really does not belong on a printed page.	[23:56]
nubbins`	budgeting 60 lines per page as a rough guide	[23:56]
nubbins`	nod	[23:57]
TheNewDeal	that's not what the talk was about	[23:57]
asciilifeform	cazalla: nailgun does not have a barrel in the usual sense.	[23:57]
undata	TheNewDeal: sure fatal wounds but if you're offing yourself, aren't there quicker ways?	[23:57]
undata	nailgun seems like a good way to bleed out slowly	[23:57]
TheNewDeal	it was speculation on a banker killing himself with a nail gun	[23:57]
asciilifeform	not really useful other than against self or a hogtied 'client'	[23:57]
nubbins`	cazalla so rip a hole in your wall	[23:57]
TheNewDeal	nubbins` so practical...	[23:57]
undata	or you just end up this guy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phineas_Gage	[23:57]
nubbins`	dude do you even reno	[23:57]
assbot	Phineas Gage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[23:57]
undata	and that was with a railroad spike	[23:58]
TheNewDeal	you could shoot yourself in the head and end up like gage too	[23:58]
TheNewDeal	but is it likely	[23:58]
asciilifeform	there's a moderately-well-documented case of a (small caliber) pistol lobotomy.	[23:58]
undata	asciilifeform: my stepdad used to fly medevac helicopters, saw more than a couple botched suicides that merely blew off the person's face	[23:59]
asciilifeform	ah those are SOP	[23:59]

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braindamage
Wednesday, 29 July 2020

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Mircea Popescu
Wednesday, 29 July 2020

Fixed. The problem appears to have been caused by some stray pre tags inside the body fucking up the display ; otherwise the item was "there" from a db pov.

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