Forum logs for 24 Oct 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

joecool	all sorts of weird "features" in OSX like, "stuck" processes	[00:00]
nubbins`	force quit kicks ass over whatever the fuck you do in windows again	[00:00]
bounce	stuck different from stuck processes on other unix?	[00:00]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` hadn't they implemented kill ?	[00:01]
joecool	it's different than zombie process in other nix	[00:01]
nubbins`	windows? who knows	[00:01]
joecool	can't do anything with it	[00:01]
mircea_popescu	;;google kill process windows	[00:02]
gribble	XP: kill a Windows process from the command line with taskkill \| a ...: ; Really killing a process in Windows - Stack Overflow: ; Taskkill - TechNet - Microsoft:	[00:02]
mircea_popescu	yeah they have	[00:02]
nubbins`	looky loo	[00:02]
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nubbins`	!uq ninjashogun	[00:03]
nubbins`	shit, my p is backwards	[00:04]
nubbins`	??? :/	[00:04]
mircea_popescu	!ub ninjashogun ?	[00:04]
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nubbins`	!ud ninjashogun	[00:04]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla you broke it.	[00:04]
nubbins`	not cool man	[00:04]
mircea_popescu	!gown nubbins`	[00:04]
nubbins`	how are we supposed to ub people	[00:04]
nubbins`	!pown mircea_popescu	[00:04]
nubbins`	NOTHING'S WORKING	[00:05]
nubbins`	;;ficker	[00:05]
gribble	Error: "ficker" is not a valid command.	[00:05]
asciilifeform	unƃoɥsɐɾuıu dn¡	[00:05]
nubbins`	what is going on D:	[00:06]
mircea_popescu	so it turns out atheism is a non-prophet organisation.	[00:06]
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nubbins`	http://instantrimshot.com/classic/?sound=rimshot	[00:06]
assbot	Welcome to Instant Rimshot	[00:06]
mircea_popescu	!up ninjashogun	[00:06]
-assbot-	You voiced ninjashogun for 30 minutes.	[00:06]
mircea_popescu	shit man, you were doing it right! it's p	[00:07]
nubbins`	fuuuuuu	[00:07]
nubbins`	too late, man	[00:07]
nubbins`	:(	[00:07]
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nubbins`	ʍou ƃuᴉʞɹoʍ s,ʇᴉ ǝqʎɐɯ	[00:08]
IHB_	thanks for the mircea. last time i was in here was when i living in bangalore. you just published your response to the SEC and it was great.	[00:08]
IHB_	*voice	[00:09]
nubbins`	w̢̤͖͓̹e̠ļ̯̟c̀o̥m̱͉̻̲̜e̛̳͚,̵͙̩̭̻̲̙͍ ͍͖̘͓̫̤̝n̮͙i̘̟̝n̳͔̺͚͡ͅj҉͖a̷̜͖s̢͚̭̪̭̝̪̣ḥ̞o̭̭̺̣g̛̳͖̟͚͚ụ͎͙ṉ̣̜͎̮	[00:10]
mircea_popescu	so where do you live now ?	[00:10]
nubbins`	wow	[00:10]
kakobrekla	nubbins` get a 'real' computer.	[00:10]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` did you do all that on an osx ?	[00:10]
nubbins`	:D	[00:10]
nubbins`	kakobrekla what, a dell?	[00:11]
asciilifeform	a Multivac.	[00:12]
kakobrekla	a vegetable. instead of fruit.	[00:12]
mircea_popescu	multivac'd have been a great vacuum cleanner brand	[00:12]
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asciilifeform	'nothing sucks like multivacs' ?	[00:13]
asciilifeform	;;google nothing sucks like electrolux	[00:13]
mircea_popescu	"if you stuff one vac, it's got more!"	[00:13]
gribble	Electrolux - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Brand blunder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; VAX - Catb.org:	[00:13]
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mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/what-do-you-call/	[00:24]
assbot	What do you call… pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[00:24]
mircea_popescu	lmao these logs... nubbins` using cohen as an argument ?!	[00:28]
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mthreat	What do you get when you cross a potato with a dildo?	[00:30]
mthreat	a dictator	[00:30]
mircea_popescu	lol	[00:31]
undata	mircea_popescu: the puns! THE PUNS!	[00:31]
ben_vulpes	wow, building bitcoin on osx is actually a bit tangly << i for one gave up	[00:31]
undata	<3	[00:31]
mircea_popescu	my puny attempt!	[00:31]
mircea_popescu	undata we had limmerick day a few months ago too.	[00:31]
undata	I will have to read those logs.	[00:32]
ben_vulpes	oh god those jokes	[00:35]
BingoBoingo	http://qntra.net/2014/10/new-paper-bitcoin-over-tor-a-bad-idea-especially-bad-for-spv/	[00:35]
assbot	New Paper: Bitcoin over Tor a Bad Idea, Especially bad for SPV \| Qntra.net	[00:35]
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ben_vulpes	just what i need while watching this ftp dump scroll by	[00:35]
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mircea_popescu	xinxi: one of them used to say: I would like to cry in a bmw instead of lauching on a bike. <<< that's a whole new dimension to the entire "fuck you rich" discussion.	[00:37]
mircea_popescu	apparently it's different by gender :D	[00:37]
BingoBoingo	Eh, bike's more likely to get stolen	[00:38]
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BingoBoingo	!up IHB_	[00:40]
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BingoBoingo	https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/10/23/151 << RE: USB turd	[00:50]
assbot	LKML: Greg KH: Re: [PATCH] usb: serial: Perform verification for FTDI FT232R devices	[00:50]
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BingoBoingo	!up MosesEX	[00:52]
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BingoBoingo	Hello MosesEX	[00:52]
MosesEX	BingoBoingo, whats up BingoBoingo	[00:52]
BingoBoingo	Oh not too much	[00:52]
MosesEX	any christians in here?	[00:52]
MosesEX	or jews or muslims?	[00:52]
kakobrekla	those were already stoned to death	[00:53]
MosesEX	homosexuals should be put to death	[00:53]
mircea_popescu	yeah we only got sluts and drunks left.	[00:53]
MosesEX	but obama supports homosexuals	[00:53]
kakobrekla	!down MosesEX	[00:53]
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mircea_popescu	;;ud obama	[00:53]
BingoBoingo	;;ud obola	[00:54]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Obama \| An acronym standing for. One Big Ass Mistake, America! Q: What was the result of the 2008 election? A: OBAMA. by ferrgus February 23, 2009. 22182 13448.	[00:54]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Obola \| Oct 13, 2014 ... Obola. (noun) the result of a completely incompetent democratic administration that cares more about open borders with no enforcement of ...	[00:54]
mircea_popescu	i guess it's mitt romney's showbiz name.	[00:56]
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BingoBoingo	!up MosesEX	[00:58]
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MosesEX	YA	[00:58]
BingoBoingo	!down MosesEX	[00:58]
MosesEX	YAY	[00:58]
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BingoBoingo	Ah, makes sense nao	[01:01]
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kakobrekla	anyone want these atc i have ? maybe mpif takes em?	[01:06]
kakobrekla	bb?	[01:06]
BingoBoingo	WHy not? 1BuJThNvr31EwnLGiaAdQbYHCkBdJvgTQJ	[01:07]
kakobrekla	sent	[01:08]
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jurov	http://chralash.wordpress.com/2014/10/23/proof-of-reserves-born-out-of-tragedy-will-slowly-become-the-global-gold-standard-for-financial-auditing/	[01:46]
assbot	“Proof of reserves,” born out of tragedy, will slowly become the global gold standard for financial auditing. « Real Virtual Currency	[01:46]
jurov	herp derp	[01:46]
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jurov	!up punkman1	[01:47]
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asciilifeform	https://marcan.st/transf/ftdi_evil.png	[01:52]
asciilifeform	^ looks quite like 'ida' output, so symbol names presumably inferred by reverser	[01:52]
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BingoBoingo	http://mobilesecurityares.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/why-samsung-knox-isnt-really-fort-knox.html << NSA Phone	[02:01]
assbot	Mobile Security Blog: Why Samsung Knox isn't really a Fort Knox	[02:01]
asciilifeform	there's what, 17 of them now?	[02:01]
asciilifeform	'all but the laziest man' are now making 'avoid 3v1l surv31l4nc3111!' turdicles.	[02:01]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: No, this is the one NSA approves of for gubmint work	[02:04]
asciilifeform	which work.	[02:04]
asciilifeform	afaik the only 'top seekreet'-approved Pnohe is 'blackberry sektera' (sp?)	[02:05]
asciilifeform	aka obamaphone	[02:05]
asciilifeform	(or was it obamaberry?)	[02:05]
BingoBoingo	Well this is the new one they are proposing	[02:06]
BingoBoingo	By samsung	[02:06]
*	asciilifeform does not own one, but recalls seeing photos, there's a normal 'blackberry' and an nsa board sandwiched under the battery	[02:06]
BingoBoingo	I've owned normal blackberries. Pleasant paging device.	[02:06]
*	asciilifeform never understood the appeal of the microscopic trackball on those things	[02:07]
BingoBoingo	Skipped those after first one broke in hours. The tiny trackpad used as a micro trackball was very functional though	[02:08]
asciilifeform	https://twitter.com/JohnnySoftware/status/525092883125506048 << lulzies	[02:09]
assbot	/SwiftOnSecurity Windows Update busily bricking USB serial chips http://t.co/XkoNmNiCUH Maybe completely intentional. Microsoft-SWATed case?	[02:09]
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asciilifeform	'FTDI's own web site says their chips are used in medical...'	[02:10]
BingoBoingo	Ah	[02:11]
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*	asciilifeform is hoping that this kind of thing will become an everyday event	[02:11]
asciilifeform	run moar winblows.	[02:11]
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kakobrekla	choke on your fruit.	[02:13]
asciilifeform	which fruit	[02:13]
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kakobrekla	thats what you already said for python	[02:14]
asciilifeform	lol	[02:14]
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kakobrekla	apples will do.	[02:17]
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BingoBoingo	http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/the-washing-up	[02:18]
assbot	Everybody loves Eric Raymond » The washing up	[02:18]
jurov	one click and i ended up on http://www.schneierfacts.com/	[02:20]
assbot	Bruce Schneier Facts	[02:20]
jurov	http://www.schneierfacts.com/facts/1341 << exactly what i wanted	[02:22]
assbot	Bruce Schneier Facts	[02:22]
jurov	(if anyone did not read my rant yet: http://explo.yt/post/2014/02/26/Bruce-Schneier-passwords-fail )	[02:23]
assbot	Bruce Schneier passwords fail - serialized delusions	[02:23]
BingoBoingo	http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/the-redhat-package-mangler	[02:25]
assbot	Everybody loves Eric Raymond » The RedHat Package Mangler	[02:25]
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midnightmagic	"It's about the same likelihood as that you would get spontaneously quantum teleported by tunnelling through solid wall, that's why such things just don't happen." <-- this is incorrect	[02:27]
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jurov	yes?	[02:28]
pete_dushenski	first things first: http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/23/the-trade-offs-of-feminism/	[02:28]
assbot	The Trade-Offs of Feminism \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski	[02:28]
pete_dushenski	now, logs!	[02:28]
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jurov	rly? masculinity as a measurable natural resource?	[02:30]
artifexd	kakobrekla: If you find a way to get the mbp to not sound like it's overheating while using a non-mac os, I'd love to hear about it.	[02:31]
pete_dushenski	jurov lol tis a theory.	[02:31]
kakobrekla	artifexd never had, never will have any apple products.	[02:31]
nubbins`	kako uses alienware only	[02:32]
artifexd	I thought I just read that you got a mbp...	[02:32]
jurov	no, we use lenovo - it means slovenky in somalian	[02:32]
jurov	*slovenly	[02:32]
artifexd	Ah no. That was joecool. Same color as you.	[02:33]
kakobrekla	colors, the root of all evil.	[02:33]
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BingoBoingo	kakobrekla: If you find a way to get the mbp to not sound like it's overheating while using a non-mac os, I'd love to hear about it. << apmd -C	[02:39]
jurov	or soundproof foam?	[02:40]
kakobrekla	or just turn it off	[02:40]
artifexd	I don't see a -C option	[02:43]
BingoBoingo	http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/linux-doomsday	[02:44]
assbot	Everybody loves Eric Raymond » Linux doomsday	[02:44]
pete_dushenski	^must be the same raymond from that trilema comment. everyone loved him too!	[02:44]
BingoBoingo	artifexd: Which non-OS X OS are you running?	[02:44]
asciilifeform	http://www.novate.ru/blogs/121014/28088 << 'kegelcizer' from 'futurama' now actual.	[02:44]
assbot	- KGoal, \| \|	[02:44]
artifexd	I'm looking at centos right now.	[02:45]
jurov	http://i.imgur.com/iXsZdHh.jpg?1 << kakobrekla	[02:45]
artifexd	I haven't settled on a distro yet though.	[02:45]
kakobrekla	heh	[02:45]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform> http://www.novate.ru/blogs/121014/28088 << 'kegelcizer' from 'futurama' now actual. << WOnderful	[02:46]
assbot	- KGoal, \| \|	[02:46]
kakobrekla	;;google kegel kickstarter	[02:49]
gribble	kGoal Smart Kegel Trainer by Minna Life — Kickstarter: ; Skea - Smart Kegel Exercise Aid by Linkcube Studio — Kickstarter: ; The Kegel Bear by Natalie Bayne — Kickstarter:	[02:50]
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asciilifeform	sc4m4tr0nix?	[02:50]
asciilifeform	though i'm told that once in a while, when the planets align, an actual product is made on 'kickstarter'	[02:51]
kakobrekla	dunno not the vagina expert and lampelina is in bed.	[02:51]
asciilifeform	best expert.	[02:52]
asciilifeform	https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/871901583/the-kegel-bear	[02:52]
assbot	The Kegel Bear by Natalie Bayne — Kickstarter	[02:52]
BingoBoingo	http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/letters-of-support	[02:53]
assbot	Everybody loves Eric Raymond » Letters of support	[02:53]
asciilifeform	http://www.businessinsider.com/potential-nyc-ebola-patient-took-an-uber-2014-10	[02:54]
assbot	Potential NYC Ebola Patient Took An Uber - Business Insider	[02:54]
asciilifeform	ubola.	[02:54]
BingoBoingo	Only missing A, I and Y	[02:57]
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BingoBoingo	!up MosesEX	[02:58]
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MosesEX	yay	[02:58]
asciilifeform	iBola ?	[02:58]
MosesEX	hello everyone	[02:58]
BingoBoingo	MosesEX: What are your thoughts on Obola	[02:58]
MosesEX	BingoBoingo, ebola? its overreacted	[02:58]
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BingoBoingo	;;ud ibola	[02:58]
gribble	Google found nothing.	[02:58]
MosesEX	yet it might spread	[02:58]
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BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: iBola isn't a thing yet. Maybe next month?	[02:58]
MosesEX	those who die from ebola is because they were ordained to die from it	[02:58]
BingoBoingo	MosesEX: Ordanation doesn't count when ebama does it	[02:59]
MosesEX	obama is destroying this country	[02:59]
MosesEX	we need republicans	[02:59]
MosesEX	not demoncrats	[02:59]
MosesEX	hi everyone!	[03:00]
BingoBoingo	MosesEX: They both suck.	[03:00]
BingoBoingo	MosesEX: You said you had questions. Ask or you get the !down again.	[03:01]
MosesEX	ys	[03:01]
MosesEX	yes	[03:01]
MosesEX	does the irc hate bitcoin?	[03:01]
MosesEX	why or why not	[03:01]
MosesEX	i mean irs	[03:01]
MosesEX	does the irc hate bitcoin yes or no	[03:02]
MosesEX	god dammit	[03:02]
MosesEX	DOES THE IRS OR FERDERAL GOVERNMENT HATE BITCOIN	[03:02]
midnightmagic	jurov: quantum tunnelling doesn't and can't happen for macroscopic objects like that. quantum wave functions are sometimes bounded asymptotically in position.	[03:02]
BingoBoingo	MosesEX: Are you high?	[03:02]
MosesEX	LIKE BECAUSE THEY CAN'T TAX IT	[03:02]
BingoBoingo	!down MosesEX	[03:02]
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ben_vulpes	!down MosesEX	[03:04]
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ben_vulpes	once was not enough	[03:05]
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BingoBoingo	http://dpaste.com/1PX6023	[03:05]
assbot	dpaste: 1PX6023	[03:05]
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pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu:meyer lanski famously told some older street thoughs, as a 12 yo, "you get nuttin' for nuttin'". that's all it is. at 12 he's as rich as me telling the sec how to behave. << beauty.	[03:16]
joecool	artifexd: hm? i had used ibm and then lenovo thinkpads exclusively, up until today	[03:17]
pete_dushenski	speaking of mobsters, anyone have any book recommendations on mafia/mobs?	[03:17]
pete_dushenski	BingoBoingo goosfraba eh?	[03:18]
BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski: You never really know	[03:19]
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pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu:i kinda suspect where bums sleep is indicative of societal notions << ya the libraries vs. banks discrepancy is telling.	[03:25]
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pete_dushenski	i wonder where in the world bums shack up in public schools, hospitals, and other public buildings.	[03:26]
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mircea_popescu	india ?	[03:28]
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BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski: The bathrooms.	[03:29]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu quite possibly. haven't been there yet to see	[03:29]
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pete_dushenski	maybe india'll be on the 2015 list	[03:29]
asciilifeform	i vaguely recall reading (1990s usenet?) of american expats living in bathrooms in jp.	[03:30]
asciilifeform	as a routine matter.	[03:30]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu speaking of travel plans, some close friends decided to GET MARRIED on the same weekend as the third conference. so ya.	[03:30]
pete_dushenski	i'm out for this one.	[03:30]
pete_dushenski	asciilifeform probably mcd's: clean	[03:32]
*	asciilifeform checks grinding wheel on which current turd is being polished;	[03:33]
asciilifeform	anyone have a preference for which 'libboost' is to be used?	[03:33]
joecool	oh book on mobsters, i haven't managed to find a copy of the book that came out a couple years ago about samsung	[03:34]
joecool	"thinking of samsung" or "think samsung" i think it translated into	[03:34]
nubbins`	asciilifeform iirc 1.5.5 was current when bitcoin 0.5.3.was released	[03:38]
nubbins`	most recent is only 1.5.6 i believe	[03:38]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: ty	[03:39]
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mircea_popescu	wow look at that, jurov's blog is not vulnerable to the wp reflected ddos thing	[03:44]
mircea_popescu	nice.	[03:44]
mircea_popescu	nubbins`: kako uses alienware only << no, he uses girls'.	[03:46]
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BingoBoingo	https://twitter.com/Paulmd199/status/525422001058742273	[03:47]
assbot	Just remembered this /ioerror statement, after hearing one of the Ottawa shooting suspects was designated "high risk" http://t.co/9ULzZ3tm1E	[03:47]
mircea_popescu	http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/wp-content/images/ep062.jpg << lolk	[03:47]
pete_dushenski	just ordered this: http://www.amazon.ca/Rise-Fall-Jewish-Gangster-America/dp/0231096836/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1414111566&sr=8-1&keywords=The+Rise+and+Fall+of+the+Jewish+Gangster+in+America	[03:49]
assbot	The Rise and Fall of the Jewish Gangster in America: Albert Fried: 9780231096836: Books - Amazon.ca	[03:49]
BingoBoingo	GNOME + Redhat >> http://lwn.net/Articles/617176/	[03:50]
assbot	gnome-shell: lock screen bypass [LWN.net]	[03:50]
asciilifeform	someone is using gnome !?!?111	[03:51]
nubbins`	BingoBoingo lelel	[03:51]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you know who ? linus.	[03:51]
asciilifeform	lol!	[03:51]
*	asciilifeform somehow did not know this.	[03:51]
BingoBoingo	!b 4	[03:51]
assbot	Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3E1GYG4.txt )	[03:51]
mircea_popescu	not even kidding.	[03:52]
BingoBoingo	Linus uses Fedora, right?	[03:52]
*	asciilifeform buried herr torvalds in his head long ago, 'and ordered cement poured to be tempted to dig up'	[03:52]
asciilifeform	(apologies to vysotsky)	[03:52]
asciilifeform	*not tempted	[03:52]
joecool	lolololol gnome	[03:52]
mircea_popescu	why was that ?	[03:53]
asciilifeform	rng warz	[03:53]
mircea_popescu	and holy shit, this linux thing is really not used by anyone, is it ? took until 2014 for someone to mash the prtscr key ?	[03:53]
mircea_popescu	likely story.	[03:53]
asciilifeform	and before that, 'i'm apolitical, don't care what happens etc'	[03:53]
asciilifeform	linux - used, sure. but gnome...	[03:53]
mircea_popescu	neither of these crossed it for me.	[03:53]
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mircea_popescu	midnightmagic: jurov: quantum tunnelling doesn't and can't happen for macroscopic objects like that. <<< well they call anything "quantum" these days.	[03:54]
mircea_popescu	forgetting what it actually means.	[03:54]
mircea_popescu	tl;dr : nothing "quantum" can ever affect a macro object. by definition.	[03:55]
asciilifeform	eh, the photon that broke the camel's back?	[03:55]
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mircea_popescu	!up no_imagination	[03:56]
-assbot-	You voiced no_imagination for 30 minutes.	[03:56]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform "i choked on a particularly rapid tachyon" should be standard blonde answer.	[03:56]
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no_imagination	thanks	[03:56]
mircea_popescu	this is the imagination institute. welcome.	[03:56]
asciilifeform	re: bitcoind liposuction: who's for nixing the 'alert' gizmo?	[03:59]
mircea_popescu	in any case change its key.	[03:59]
asciilifeform	alternative can only be if someone (mircea_popescu ?) is willing to sit on a new key!	[03:59]
no_imagination	mircea_popescu: read some of your stuff. is it fair to say you value BTC as a store of value and the rest is secondary?	[03:59]
*	asciilifeform would rather it not be him. when he is killed key will fall into enemy hands.	[03:59]
BingoBoingo	http://www.ioactive.com/pdfs/IOActive_Advisory_OpenBSD_5_5_Local_Kernel_Panic.pdf	[04:00]
mircea_popescu	no_imagination oversimplified. i mean... it's in the stuff you read, as short as it gets.	[04:00]
nubbins`	which key is this	[04:00]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: key for the mechanism which enabled bitcoind to nag users with warning text	[04:00]
no_imagination	im all about simple	[04:00]
nubbins`	right	[04:01]
nubbins`	kill it	[04:01]
asciilifeform	that was my suggestion	[04:01]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4111 @ 0.00074124 = 3.0472 BTC [+]	[04:01]
nubbins`	without mercy	[04:01]
Apocalyptic	asciilifeform, I guess there's no much use to it nowadays	[04:01]
asciilifeform	what use was there at any point for it?	[04:01]
mircea_popescu	not particularly useful. i can live with my current key being used but would rather not and am definitely not making a different one.	[04:01]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform a lot of this stuff is you know, "just in case"isms driven by the fact that a few years ago bitcoin was entirely a novel concept.	[04:02]
asciilifeform	ehe.	[04:02]
mircea_popescu	a lot of questions i can answer atm i couldn't even properly form in 2011, and im sure im not the only one.	[04:02]
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joecool	gavin has that key right?	[04:02]
Apocalyptic	not only gavin	[04:03]
asciilifeform	hitler has it	[04:03]
joecool	ok cia too	[04:03]
mircea_popescu	that emergency messaging thing was more of a "let's bake a p2p messaging app into the core because you don't know what will happen and it may be needed."	[04:03]
*	asciilifeform doesn't much care who has it	[04:03]
Apocalyptic	there is thermos and a third fellow i forgot	[04:03]
joecool	buzzfeed.com	[04:03]
joecool	"12 things you might be doing wrong with your bitcoin"	[04:03]
mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic it was sirius not thermos no ?	[04:03]
Apocalyptic	I've read from many sources thermos has it, but it could be wrong	[04:04]
bounce	you need a keykeeper? what's the key do?	[04:04]
asciilifeform	needed. and now nothing.	[04:04]
Apocalyptic	midnightmagic may know	[04:04]
bounce	oh, nag people. oh well. guess I'll have to keep at it here then.	[04:06]
mircea_popescu	lol	[04:06]
midnightmagic	the key is held by gavin. satoshi still has it. i don't know who else. I don't think anyone else.	[04:07]
mircea_popescu	nah it was more people, before satoshi split.	[04:08]
thestringpuller	theymos	[04:08]
midnightmagic	hrm. there might be a k-of-n threshold split key now, it would make sense.	[04:10]
asciilifeform	;;later tell jurov was it you who was making the mailing list gizmo ?	[04:10]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[04:10]
mircea_popescu	course at some point it had a bug where it kept a hash of the signature and so you could change the message around if you had an older key.	[04:10]
mircea_popescu	an older signature* i mean	[04:10]
asciilifeform	new seed nodes?	[04:12]
nubbins`	lel	[04:13]
mircea_popescu	huh ?	[04:13]
asciilifeform	pnSeed[]	[04:13]
mircea_popescu	o the fallbacks ?	[04:13]
*	asciilifeform assumes everyone here has a copy of the src	[04:13]
mircea_popescu	such a fucking kludge that.	[04:13]
mircea_popescu	should be done away with	[04:13]
asciilifeform	what'll it be then	[04:14]
mircea_popescu	reads user provided config file	[04:15]
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mircea_popescu	if you don't supply bootstrap nodes you shouldn't be running it anyway.	[04:16]
asciilifeform	'Oh that will not do, said Milder to Moulder / Oh what will you do then said Festel to Fose / Great guns and great cannon said John the Red Nose ... '	[04:16]
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asciilifeform	does anyone give a rat's arse about builds other than 'unix' ?	[04:17]
mircea_popescu	should run in cygwin.	[04:18]
asciilifeform	lol, someone does this ?	[04:18]
mircea_popescu	incidentally, the node discovery mechanism is a fucking hole of the first degree. all an attacker really needs to do is take control of the "last resort" ips and then supress "normal" peer discovery.	[04:19]
mircea_popescu	certainly not outside the capabilities of the us, and a fine reason why stock bitcoin is not safe anyway.	[04:19]
asciilifeform	or of 'showmyip.com'	[04:19]
mircea_popescu	that wouldn't do anything.	[04:20]
bounce	the windows build is a mingw build, no? kinda useful to be able to build that from linux	[04:20]
asciilifeform	bounce: why would you dream of running bitcoin under winblows?	[04:20]
mircea_popescu	bounce pretty sure it was mingw at some point, not sure if still	[04:20]
asciilifeform	i can't think of any reason to do this	[04:20]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform because underbanked, reasons and logics.	[04:20]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: and we are to help them?	[04:20]
*	bounce doesn't dream of that, but people do that stuff	[04:20]
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asciilifeform	people also eat shit	[04:21]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform think about it, they're prolly running pirated windows, too.	[04:21]
bounce	though if you're going to toss qt then perhaps there's a case to drop the whole windows thing	[04:21]
asciilifeform	best windows.	[04:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.00074124 = 4.188 BTC [+]	[04:21]
nubbins`	<+asciilifeform> does anyone give a rat's arse about builds other than 'unix' ? <<< makefile.osx is a steaming shit heap in 0.5.3 anyway. i'll offer a working one in the future if there's demand	[04:22]
asciilifeform	most of the planet, i suspect, has never seen a 'legit' winblows	[04:22]
BingoBoingo	bounce: why would you dream of running bitcoin under winblows? << I imagine people may want to run relay nodes on Win for variety.	[04:22]
mircea_popescu	and btw, someone has to fix all the fucking magic number fest in the node discovery mechanism	[04:22]
mircea_popescu	it's nothing but add a week of this, substract 51 minutes of that, madness.	[04:22]
*	asciilifeform was reading it just now	[04:22]
asciilifeform	incidentally	[04:22]
mircea_popescu	set this to 0 so that accidentally overloks it, it's written by drunk geese.	[04:22]
asciilifeform	that's traditional malware code	[04:22]
asciilifeform	;;google domain generation algorithm	[04:22]
gribble	Domain generation algorithm - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Domain Generation Algorithms (DGA) in Stealthy Malware - Damballa: ; Domain Generation Algorithm (DGA) - InfoSec Institute:	[04:22]
TheNewDeal	;;seen Chaaaang-Noi	[04:22]
gribble	Chaaaang-Noi was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 11 weeks, 4 days, 9 hours, 29 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: either never have time, or not have money....	[04:22]
asciilifeform	^ reminiscent	[04:22]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i just meant the timestamping.	[04:23]
asciilifeform	the 'randomize order in a deterministic way' thing	[04:23]
mircea_popescu	heh yeah i guess you're right.	[04:23]
mircea_popescu	it's a sickening display i tell you that.	[04:23]
*	asciilifeform enjoying tour of sausage factory	[04:24]
asciilifeform	http://pbfcomics.com/153 << obligatory	[04:24]
assbot	The Perry Bible Fellowship	[04:24]
mircea_popescu	more like a dildo factory, but hey.	[04:24]
mircea_popescu	;;google bitcoin was written by the retarded	[04:25]
gribble	Bitcoin was written by the retarded, part II pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: ; "Bitcoin's Place in the Coming Economic Crash" written by Evan ...: ; Bitcoin for dummies - Author walks users through how ... - Reddit: (1 more message)	[04:25]
nubbins`	ha	[04:25]
asciilifeform	this one here's one of them hollow glass dildos	[04:25]
asciilifeform	liable to unexpected fragmentation.	[04:26]
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mircea_popescu	also, was there a special command line thing to add ips ?	[04:26]
mircea_popescu	or was that taken out by .5 ?	[04:26]
mircea_popescu	and is addr.txt still there ?	[04:27]
*	mircea_popescu is not on a code reading system atm	[04:27]
bounce	then you'll just have to wait for the book	[04:27]
BingoBoingo	also, was there a special command line thing to add ips ? connect and addnode persist in newer iterations	[04:27]
nubbins`	bounce heh	[04:28]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu is on playing Doom system?	[04:28]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform nah, on chick chit chatting system :D	[04:28]
nubbins`	chick chit chat	[04:28]
mircea_popescu	i suppose i should route it through chittaggong	[04:28]
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*	BingoBoingo gets the vibe Coinbase lacks coins to sell at any price https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2k2zr0/coinbase_is_in_trouble_but_its_their_own_damn/	[04:30]
assbot	Coinbase is in trouble... but it's their own damn fault. : Bitcoin	[04:30]
mircea_popescu	also, at least at some point there was explicit tor support in the code	[04:30]
mircea_popescu	which also should go to bed.	[04:30]
asciilifeform	incidentally...	[04:30]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo well sure.	[04:31]
asciilifeform	which miners contain ftdi ?	[04:31]
asciilifeform	i know there were such.	[04:31]
aabtc	aegis agamemnon23 agorecki AlexWkz altoz AndrewJackson Anduck Apocalyptic arij artifexd asciilifeform assbot atcbot Azelphur	[04:31]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i don't think anyone made it to market ? i think just plans for.	[04:31]
asciilifeform	folks who don't diddle electronics don't appreciate how ubiquitous ftdi is	[04:31]
mircea_popescu	!up Evolyn	[04:31]
-assbot-	You voiced Evolyn for 30 minutes.	[04:31]
*	assbot gives voice to Evolyn	[04:31]
*	nubbins` cheers the continued gutting	[04:32]
mircea_popescu	less to print eh ?	[04:32]
cazalla	http://qntra.net/2014/10/pools-closed-for-crypto-money-expo/	[04:33]
assbot	Pool's Closed For Crypto Money Expo \| Qntra.net	[04:33]
nubbins`	i hope there'll still be enough to fill a book ;/	[04:33]
mircea_popescu	oh, also i nthe stupid pile : there used to exist a way to send coins by ip. it was a no-verification "tell me an address" special message.	[04:33]
cazalla	and with that, i'm off to beach for a little	[04:33]
mircea_popescu	inexplicably, the nonsense made it all the way to 5.	[04:34]
TheNewDeal	kakobrekla has anything come of the pre-log logs allegedly held by Azelphur?	[04:34]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu> oh, also i nthe stupid pile : there used to exist a way to send coins by ip. it was a no-verification "tell me an address" special message. << killed in 0.3.x series. one of Satoshis later acts	[04:35]
asciilifeform	and apparently it is possible to get 'git' to cough up a plain unix patch.	[04:35]
asciilifeform	so aficionados of this apparatus can use it to heart's delight	[04:35]
mircea_popescu	http://qntra.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/01.jpg << me thinks is is like too fucking much to scrool through. but anyway.	[04:35]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo oh was it ?	[04:36]
mircea_popescu	well good then	[04:36]
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nubbins`	you will regret scrolling to the bottom	[04:36]
mircea_popescu	am i entirely off base in my belief the habbo hotel thing is pretty much the last remaining, well known and well advertised child porn marketplace online ?	[04:37]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: The story if I recall correctly was Satoshi said upgrade nao, and then later told everyone the patched vulnerability in pay to ip	[04:37]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo now that you mention it im vaguely remembering this	[04:38]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: it was the sort of mandate that only Satoshi or what USgavin wishes he was could push	[04:40]
nubbins`	"follow the bit of the crypto coins"	[04:40]
nubbins`	where do i send my $10k	[04:40]
kakobrekla	TheNewDeal idk there were several efforts made so far in that direction by various entities and i dont think anything came out of it	[04:40]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo well honestly, back around .3.x the atmosphere was quite different. i dunno who or why would not patch when satoshi said patch.	[04:41]
TheNewDeal	going to need a meme for this. It's not in the logs?	[04:41]
mircea_popescu	TheNewDeal "this" ?	[04:41]
TheNewDeal	The pre-log logs	[04:42]
mircea_popescu	lol	[04:42]
TheNewDeal	I've been exposed to some	[04:42]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Well it was still around 10kiloBTC pizza time	[04:42]
TheNewDeal	someone once sent me a text file of the SD ipo	[04:42]
TheNewDeal	I believe	[04:42]
TheNewDeal	but they will remain mythical in my mind	[04:42]
mircea_popescu	fun times.	[04:42]
mircea_popescu	thing of it the good way : that much less log to read.	[04:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1600 @ 0.00074124 = 1.186 BTC [+]	[04:43]
TheNewDeal	back to penance	[04:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36500 @ 0.00074106 = 27.0487 BTC [-] {2}	[04:44]
*	BingoBoingo has but a tiny bit of pre-log logs.	[04:44]
*	kakobrekla confesses he misses nefario and prolly some others.	[04:44]
mircea_popescu	**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 12 23:03:54 2012 << my first mention.	[04:45]
bounce	which miners contain ftdi ? << no idea, but it wouldn't surprise me if the typical USB miner's USB interface is exactly that. then again, maybe best leave that to miner programs.	[04:45]
nubbins`	http://worstcats.tumblr.com	[04:46]
TheNewDeal	Chaaaang-Noi / goat never signed up for gpg , aye?	[04:46]
bounce	also, git allows for generation of patches that're relatively easy to send over a ml then feed'em back to git.	[04:46]
TheNewDeal	nubbins` not those slimy hippos again	[04:46]
nubbins`	april 2012, that predates me by maybe 7 months	[04:46]
mircea_popescu	i was in otc before that. and back in 2011/2012, -otc was pretty much like here.	[04:47]
kakobrekla	lies	[04:47]
mircea_popescu	then it... evaporated.	[04:47]
nubbins`	otc is a ghost town	[04:47]
nubbins`	like here, but without discussions	[04:47]
TheNewDeal	lots of trolling tho	[04:48]
nubbins`	and with noobs asking to buy $10 btc with ppusd	[04:48]
mircea_popescu	is sturles still in that game ?	[04:48]
nubbins`	yeah	[04:48]
nubbins`	still around anyway	[04:48]
mircea_popescu	incredible, that guy. he's been doing 10bux trades with noobs for what, 3-4 years ? all paypal. he must be married to thiel or something.	[04:49]
mircea_popescu	no idea how he didn't get his accounts frozen.	[04:49]
mircea_popescu	;;rated sturles	[04:49]
gribble	You rated user sturles on Sat Oct 29 01:49:37 2011, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: coupla deals over pp.	[04:49]
mircea_popescu	one of the unsung heroes of bitcoin.	[04:50]
TheNewDeal	nubbins` - cats out of the bag ! http://imgur.com/5T5nXXl	[04:50]
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BingoBoingo	Hello fivezerotwo	[04:57]
fivezerotwo	Hello BingoBoingo	[04:57]
fivezerotwo	;;isup qntra.net	[04:57]
gribble	qntra.net is up	[04:57]
fivezerotwo	Meh, it's generally slow enough to be unusable.	[04:58]
BingoBoingo	;;isup Gribble	[04:58]
gribble	Gribble is up	[04:58]
BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all	[04:58]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 357.5, vol: 22227.78066240 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 355.564, vol: 7662.83937 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 357.89, vol: 37452.28542973 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 357.409811, vol: 67730.70380000 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 368.36564, vol: 13.95253549 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 355.7179, vol: 147.48973354 \| Volume-weighted last average: 357.452315111	[04:58]
BingoBoingo	fivezerotwo: What, do you not like the new favicon?	[04:59]
fivezerotwo	Oh, nice favicon.	[05:00]
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BingoBoingo	Thank you.	[05:01]
BingoBoingo	fivezerotwo: May you pretty please let us become legit News Outlet++	[05:01]
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fivezerotwo	Heh. Oh, I have another job now, but I'll be back at Qntra soon (^.^)	[05:02]
Apocalyptic	fwiw some DNS servers still don't resolve qntra.net, include mine	[05:03]
fivezerotwo	That's doubtful, perhaps you got banned	[05:03]
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Apocalyptic	it's really not	[05:04]
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BingoBoingo	FU ebay and your local pickup only bullshit!!! http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-of-19-SGI-Silicon-Graphics-XYR-Servers-and-Storage-Chassis-Units-Altix-Onyx/311115009699?_trksid=p2047675.c100010.m2109&_trkparms=aid%3D555012%26algo%3DPW.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D26942%26meid%3D26c12aa8df564c9292af44d0b8622bc1%26pid%3D100010%26prg%3D11184%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D24%26sd%3D161451319162	[05:06]
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BingoBoingo	Oh reddit agrees with mircea_popescu now, kind of https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2k3jpe/lets_not_be_dicks_to_victims_of_bitcoin_theft/clhzgbd	[05:13]
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kakobrekla	>Amen to that, entirely too many assholes in the cryptosphere these days. The entry barrier is no longer access to coins, or ability to mine. It is being able to deal with all the children and pricks that think they know it all and that their ideology are law.	[05:15]
kakobrekla	lol	[05:15]
mircea_popescu	jesus that lansky fellow is one boring fuck.	[05:15]
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mircea_popescu	i've had him shadowed for months now, he's not done anything. i don't even mean anything indictable, he's not done anything AT ALL	[05:16]
mircea_popescu	how can these dorks live like that.	[05:16]
BingoBoingo	!b 5	[05:17]
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mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic what does it say ?	[05:17]
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Apocalyptic	mircea_popescu, can't resolve host, as you can see in https://www.whatsmydns.net/#A/qntra.net , some DNS servers all around still didn't catch up	[05:18]
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Apocalyptic	not a really big deal	[05:18]
mircea_popescu	australia mostly huh.	[05:19]
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Apocalyptic	western europe too, (the nodes are chosen randomly so we don't have the same ones probably)	[05:20]
asciilifeform	!s lansky	[05:20]
assbot	: http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=lansky	[05:20]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform lawsky i mean. the ny derp.	[05:20]
asciilifeform	aha	[05:20]
Apocalyptic	but yeah Aus is pretty bad too	[05:20]
mircea_popescu	i suppose the soa cache is the culprit.	[05:23]
mircea_popescu	URL tested: http://qntra.net Test performed from: New York, NY Test performed at: 2014-10-24 02:21:20 (GMT +00:00) Resolved As: 23.235.236.98 Status: OK Response Time: 0.604 sec DNS: 0.241 sec Connect: 0.091 sec Redirect: 0.000 sec First byte: 0.091 sec Last byte: 0.181 sec Size: 35273 bytes	[05:24]
mircea_popescu	i dun see the problem, most of the internet takes more than a second	[05:24]
BingoBoingo	soa = School of Ass???	[05:24]
mircea_popescu	http://gtmetrix.com/reports/qntra.net/gOCNpLYe 99% 97% w/e that means.	[05:25]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo state of authority record	[05:25]
mircea_popescu	start*	[05:25]
mircea_popescu	http://www.webpagetest.org/result/141024_34_5MM/ << also comes out good	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	no idea what the 502 guy is about.	[05:26]
asciilifeform	http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=assbot&sign=ANY&type=RECV << never authed?	[05:26]
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asciilifeform	am i missing something	[05:26]
nubbins`	;;google scissorfight planet of ass	[05:26]
gribble	Scissorfight - "Planet of Ass" - YouTube: ; SCISSORFIGHT planet of ass - YouTube: ; Planet Of Ass - Dark Lyrics:	[05:26]
nubbins`	last authed 08-13	[05:27]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform why would assbot auth anyway ?	[05:27]
asciilifeform	damned if i know	[05:28]
nubbins`	http://i.imgur.com/G8DdQpS.jpg	[05:29]
BingoBoingo	%p	[05:30]
atcbot	>> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 513.11 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.73 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 0.00 TH/s	[05:30]
kakobrekla	asciilifeform iirc last gribble auth was when nicks were changed, it does auth to nickserv though	[05:31]
asciilifeform	aha	[05:31]
kakobrekla	keeping the key on the server would defeat the purpose of key?	[05:31]
asciilifeform	who said to keep it there, lol	[05:31]
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asciilifeform	*contemplating	[05:32]
mircea_popescu	undiscovered ?	[05:33]
asciilifeform	undiscovered enough to fuck with some heads	[05:33]
mircea_popescu	like how'd it go ?	[05:34]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Well kakobrekla just did heart surgery...	[05:34]
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mircea_popescu	i guess we find out.	[05:35]
kakobrekla	speaking of assbot, just pushed a patch and going for reset	[05:36]
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kakobrekla	!s lansky	[05:39]
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kakobrekla	lol	[05:39]
mircea_popescu	success ?	[05:41]
nubbins`	i vaguely remember an off-color joke about a man named cess	[05:42]
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decimation	asciilifeform: that ftdi thing is evil	[05:42]
asciilifeform	decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-10-2014#889092	[05:44]
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kakobrekla	!s lansky	[05:44]
assbot	6 results for 'lansky' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=lansky	[05:44]
kakobrekla	aha	[05:44]
asciilifeform	let's fire that again: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-10-2014#889092	[05:45]
assbot	Logged on 22-10-2014 22:05:36; asciilifeform: http://zeptobars.ru/en/read/FTDI-FT232RL-real-vs-fake-supereal << entirely different silicon. from this we learn!! that a) they copied it because usb id is charged for by rent-seeking scumz0rs b) winblows includes ftdi driver already. relationship with microshit. so chinese were forced into this.	[05:45]
decimation	sigh log is down	[05:45]
kakobrekla	use mirror	[05:45]
decimation	yeah I did. is it being ddosed?	[05:45]
asciilifeform	re: ftdi, microshit, usb phoundation:	[05:46]
asciilifeform	!s the air seller	[05:46]
assbot	4 results for 'the air seller' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=the+air+seller	[05:46]
kakobrekla	yeah, say thanks to somenumberasletters guy	[05:46]
decimation	wait, so if windows includes driver, this will only hurt those who use an 'aftermarket' driver?	[05:46]
decimation	or did this get pushed in a windows update?	[05:47]
asciilifeform	decimation: traditional ftdi chip, for no particularly good reason, is reflashable in-band.	[05:47]
decimation	yeah, most usb turds seem to be	[05:47]
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asciilifeform	and, afaik, no wp pin on any of them	[05:47]
asciilifeform	Because It Would Be Wrong (TM)	[05:47]
decimation	or 'fuse'	[05:47]
decimation	wait, why would it be wrong to put a wp pin?	[05:48]
joecool	is cardano project still active?	[05:48]
BingoBoingo	kakobrekla: By thanks you mean make sausage of?	[05:48]
asciilifeform	joecool: yes.	[05:48]
asciilifeform	joecool: see mircea_popescu's site for monthly reports.	[05:48]
decimation	like, it would be unflashable by idiots?	[05:48]
mircea_popescu	;;isup log1.bitcoin-assets.com	[05:48]
gribble	log1.bitcoin-assets.com is up	[05:48]
joecool	asciilifeform: thanks	[05:48]
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kakobrekla	BingoBoingo the letters are right next to each other.	[05:48]
mircea_popescu	decimation how is it down ?	[05:48]
decimation	I can't get to it	[05:48]
decimation	lemme check why	[05:48]
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asciilifeform	decimation: if the chinese had simply copied the die, as folks often do, the vulnerability would be no surprise. but instead they reimplemented the thing bug-for-bug.	[05:49]
asciilifeform	from scratch.	[05:49]
decimation	I can't ping it, it resolves to 178.62.254.13	[05:49]
mircea_popescu	joecool yeah. http://trilema.com/category/snsa/	[05:49]
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asciilifeform	simple enough best, so there was no real need to make electron micrograph and laboriously reverse the mask	[05:49]
decimation	asciilifeform: lol	[05:49]
decimation	so they exploited their own bugs?	[05:49]
asciilifeform	they simply took the spec & reimplemented.	[05:49]
BingoBoingo	http://moderncuriosity.com/images/ohullothere.gif	[05:49]
mircea_popescu	decimation that's fucking weird.	[05:49]
asciilifeform	decimation: they exploited their own 'don't care' bits.	[05:50]
decimation	asciilifeform: if it's an exact duplicate, how do they differentiate it from legit chips?	[05:51]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform from wqhat i understand the problem is that they didn';t copy bug for bug. in that they write even bits, the original does not	[05:51]
BingoBoingo	decimation: None of the clones are actual duplicates, they just "borrow" scarce usb id number	[05:52]
TheNewDeal	!up RagnarsBitch	[05:52]
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decimation	ah I see	[05:52]
BingoBoingo	decimation: Not even a real counterfeit problem so much as not enough ID numbers problem	[05:52]
mircea_popescu	this is a case of, broken implementation uses its own brokenness to deny things to better competitors	[05:52]
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decimation	but presumably the reimplemented devices are 'close enough' for the standard ftdi driver to work?	[05:53]
mircea_popescu	decimation the original only writes bytes in pair. sane implementation write bytes as presented	[05:53]
mircea_popescu	thus the hack makes the sane implementation null itself and fixes the checksum too, while the original ignores both operations because not two bytes involved.	[05:54]
decimation	it certainly seems to me that any owner of the chinese copies has a good basis for a lawsuit	[05:54]
mircea_popescu	what, "unauthorised access to a computer system" ?	[05:55]
decimation	exactly	[05:55]
mircea_popescu	that's like "wmd"s and "terrorism". can only be used one way.	[05:55]
mircea_popescu	tho a high court of justice held in serbia, hanging bush jr and co would be a fun sight.	[05:55]
decimation	did you guys see the uk law idea balloon? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/10/22/serious_crime_bill_computer_misuse_national_security_life_in_prison/	[05:56]
decimation	I assume that's the phrase you were referencing mircea	[05:57]
mircea_popescu	the uk is such a lulzfest by now.	[05:57]
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decimation	yeah it's more american than the us	[05:58]
mircea_popescu	the cheek of them fuckers, anyway. so wait, governments hacking individual phones is a ok, individuals exposing the lies of governments is life in prison ?	[06:00]
mircea_popescu	how about fuck you, rogue state ?	[06:00]
decimation	yeah, that's over the top	[06:00]
mircea_popescu	the only crime is working for a government.	[06:00]
decimation	I can't see how normal people see this anything other than bureaucrats covering themselves, rather than doing anything in 'the people's' interest	[06:01]
mircea_popescu	murder is not in and of itself comparable. neither is rape. certainly not theft.	[06:01]
decimation	so why isn't ftdi management going to jail	[06:01]
mircea_popescu	right.	[06:01]
decimation	I guess the important part is that bureaucrats keep their jobs, not that owners keep their property	[06:02]
mircea_popescu	there's no way out, the "western world" must burn.	[06:02]
mircea_popescu	and that specifically includes "the countries", ie, governments and their minions. it doth not include "the people" as such.	[06:03]
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TomServo	u	[06:08]
joecool	no u	[06:09]
mircea_popescu	&urmom	[06:09]
gribble	Error: "urmom" is not a valid command.	[06:09]
decimation	last night it occured to me - what if someone took over a botnet and then used it to - create bitcoin nodes	[06:11]
asciilifeform	again, the whole ftdi boobytrap - just another little proggy for microshit virus os.	[06:11]
asciilifeform	decimation: what, precisely, would this accomplish?	[06:11]
decimation	that little scoreboard page could register your custom string :)	[06:11]
asciilifeform	speaking of which.	[06:12]
asciilifeform	someone wants to suggest string?	[06:12]
decimation	well, I like the idea of taking back 'bitcoin foundation', but I find it likely to confuse	[06:12]
asciilifeform	who exactly is part of this perverse digression anyway	[06:12]
decimation	I might contribute a patch or two if the ball is rolling	[06:14]
joecool	woah i just had a DoD ip try to get into my gmail	[06:14]
joecool	33.40.41.69 <	[06:14]
asciilifeform	tripped the alarm?	[06:15]
joecool	i guess	[06:15]
joecool	yeah "suspicious sign in prevented"	[06:15]
decimation	might have been a misconfigured router somewhere	[06:15]
mircea_popescu	now im curious	[06:15]
asciilifeform	chumpnet node, snore	[06:16]
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asciilifeform	I find it likely to confuse << who said to call it a phoundation?	[06:21]
asciilifeform	and is there a name, anyway?	[06:22]
mircea_popescu	moreover, there's good confusion and bad confusion.	[06:22]
mircea_popescu	like for instance, when a 16 yo gets her first boyfriend, who is an alcoholic shithead,	[06:22]
mircea_popescu	and then they finally break up and the sane 2nd guy calls himself ALSO a boyfriend	[06:22]
mircea_popescu	the confusion thus created is positive. it's the confusion that precedes the move from sheer idiocy to sanity.	[06:23]
mircea_popescu	so in this sense, creating confusion with the current bitcoin foundation is the best thing that can happen, short of the entire group of shitheads spontaenously combusting in a flame of shit.	[06:23]
asciilifeform	eh, this is like jamming radio	[06:23]
asciilifeform	shouting contest	[06:23]
mircea_popescu	exactly.	[06:23]
asciilifeform	how is this a good thing ?	[06:24]
mircea_popescu	the idea is for people to be able to go "i support the bitcoin foundation" and for derps to go oh, this thing ? and for people to lol superiorly at their cluelessness.	[06:24]
mircea_popescu	this is how derps learn. by finding themselves in a situation where the people they aim to impress laugh at their cluelessness.	[06:25]
mircea_popescu	without this, they have no motivation.	[06:25]
asciilifeform	so are we going for an avignon papacy ?	[06:25]
mircea_popescu	no, we are going for the roman papacy.	[06:26]
mircea_popescu	this current avignon bullshit has run its course.	[06:26]
asciilifeform	there's a fat arse parked at rome already	[06:26]
asciilifeform	how to dislodge?	[06:26]
mircea_popescu	personally, i dun see it.	[06:27]
decimation	generally this takes a french army	[06:27]
mircea_popescu	the rest is just claims. people can claim whatever they like.	[06:27]
BingoBoingo	Pope on a rope?	[06:29]
asciilifeform	rope-a-pope.	[06:29]
BingoBoingo	!b 2	[06:29]
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mircea_popescu	myeah. ty.	[06:34]
TheNewDeal	;;gpg info creativex	[06:37]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: the name collision gambit - how far to take it? are we to carry on the entire papal court thing?	[06:41]
mircea_popescu	how do you mean ?	[06:41]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: that is, the ridiculous meatspace org thing	[06:41]
decimation	copyrast lol http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/10/24/remember_aereo_no_well_its_pretty_much_dead_now/	[06:41]
asciilifeform	the current phoundation rolls in coin of mysterious (or not-so-mysterious) origin, this powers a certain amount of 'loud shout' idiocy	[06:42]
decimation	I'm not sure they are worth the dignifying with targeting	[06:42]
mircea_popescu	i personally don't give a shit. my thinking is, if im making a backloading hoe, i shall name my backloading hoe a backloading hoe. sure, someone may or may not exist figuring his hoe is THE backloading hoe. this does not interest me. if he has already built a "backhoe loading palace" or not, if and when i feel like building a backhoe loading palace, i shall call it... guess ?	[06:42]
TheNewDeal	did anyone else (like goat or theymos) get in trouble a la http://bitbet.us/bet/486/james-gibson-aka-gigavps-to-be-named-as/ ?	[06:42]
mircea_popescu	the only way to avoid this is being in my wot. which the derps in question are not. so therefore they do not exist.	[06:42]
mircea_popescu	;;google trilema nefario, theymos, others known and unknown	[06:43]
gribble	Scammer tag : Nefario, theymos, others known and unknown - Trilema: ; Octombrie 2012 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Bitcoin pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.:	[06:43]
asciilifeform	!s the problem of enforcement	[06:45]
assbot	1 results for 'the problem of enforcement' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=the+problem+of+enforcement	[06:45]
TheNewDeal	mp, was that a response to my 'spergily timed question?	[06:45]
mircea_popescu	TheNewDeal yeah ?	[06:45]
asciilifeform	who, if anyone, owns the meatspace trademarks anyway ?	[06:46]
TheNewDeal	gracias	[06:46]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform believe it or not... mtgox!	[06:46]
asciilifeform	lol!	[06:46]
mircea_popescu	bewcause the fucktards in question decided it's best to give it to a "safe company"	[06:46]
*	asciilifeform somehow misses this	[06:46]
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mircea_popescu	i even said in the log, a year or so ago, now it will be bought off a bankruptcy auction	[06:47]
mircea_popescu	herpy-derp and a bottle of cum.	[06:47]
asciilifeform	that'll be the day.	[06:47]
mircea_popescu	yeah, that'll be the day trademark enforceability ends.	[06:47]
decimation	asciilifeform: no one ones "bitcon foundation"	[06:47]
mircea_popescu	decimation you can't register X "foundation" aganst the owner of X.	[06:47]
decimation	but I think a trademark must be used.. in trade	[06:47]
decimation	yeah, it would probably be a court case	[06:48]
decimation	if one lawyered carefully, one could make annoying	[06:48]
thestringpuller	http://trilema.com/2012/security-comparison-of-bitcoin-denominated-instruments-exchanges/ << lol	[06:48]
mircea_popescu	back in 2012 huh.	[06:48]
decimation	asciilifeform: I suggest 'xbtd'	[06:49]
asciilifeform	barf	[06:49]
decimation	heh	[06:49]
decimation	it probably collides anyway	[06:50]
TheNewDeal	ok I understand James McCarthy took the hit for glbse, and got banished to his parents basement for eternity	[06:51]
TheNewDeal	and a scammer tag or two was handed out	[06:51]
TheNewDeal	but did anyone go to jail, get fined by sec, etc?	[06:51]
thestringpuller	;;gettrust Nefario	[06:51]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user Nefario: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -1 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=Nefario \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Nefario \| Rated since: Tue Jul 12 22:55:49 2011	[06:51]
TheNewDeal	;;gpg info Nefario	[06:51]
gribble	User 'nefario', with keyid 28DD49E2A68F4B7C, fingerprint 03B47461C1E526576917215728DD49E2A68F4B7C, and bitcoin address None, registered on Tue Jul 12 02:17:47 2011, last authed on Thu Sep 27 07:05:00 2012. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=nefario . Currently not authenticated.	[06:51]
asciilifeform	TheNewDeal: glbse was 'yi yi zhi yi' and therefore legally untouchable.	[06:51]
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asciilifeform	!s yi yi zhi yi	[06:52]
assbot	6 results for 'yi yi zhi yi' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=yi+yi+zhi+yi	[06:52]
TheNewDeal	in a very straight line?	[06:52]
asciilifeform	no.	[06:53]
thestringpuller	running through a WoT graph	[06:53]
thestringpuller	and wow some of the names that pop up when you go back in time	[06:53]
*	asciilifeform did not invent pinyin, is not to blame for it	[06:53]
asciilifeform	or wait, what	[06:53]
TheNewDeal	I see the reference now - control the barbarians using barbarians	[06:53]
asciilifeform	e.g., mtgox	[06:54]
thestringpuller	PatrickHarnett: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=PatrickHarnett&sign=ANY&type=RECV ; Kludge the banker: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=PatrickHarnett&sign=ANY&type=RECV	[06:54]
asciilifeform	!s anarchotyranny	[06:54]
assbot	0 results for 'anarchotyranny' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=anarchotyranny	[06:54]
asciilifeform	eh.	[06:54]
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TheNewDeal	so weird to see stuff like copumpkin giving the guy a 4, then everyone else negrating?	[06:54]
TheNewDeal	-?	[06:54]
TheNewDeal	+.	[06:55]
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mircea_popescu	i doubt copumpkin is keeping much track anymore	[06:55]
asciilifeform	glbse, mtgox - folks who are doing 'god's work' from usg point of view will not be molested by usg.	[06:55]
decimation	lol perhaps the name 'gaijin' keeping with the japanese theme	[06:55]
asciilifeform	(unless they fail to play ball at some point)	[06:55]
TheNewDeal	but james did get bannished to his childhood bedroom	[06:55]
thestringpuller	^- which james?	[06:56]
thestringpuller	giga?	[06:56]
TheNewDeal	mccarthy?	[06:56]
thestringpuller	oh nefario	[06:56]
TheNewDeal	nefariolol	[06:56]
thestringpuller	http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=gigavps << anyone know what happened to that guy?	[06:57]
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TheNewDeal	all the talk about old people and namworld runs off?	[06:57]
asciilifeform	obligatory - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=939 << my first excretion on the subject, inspired by glbse	[06:57]
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decimation	asciilifeform: what was the name of that soviet agent who was like 'james bond'	[07:01]
asciilifeform	???	[07:01]
TheNewDeal	stanislav	[07:01]
TheNewDeal	I believe	[07:01]
decimation	I can't find it in the logs, you mentioned him months ago	[07:02]
asciilifeform	wtf even means 'like james bond'. everyone he fucked died same day?	[07:02]
decimation	fictional character	[07:02]
asciilifeform	well certainly	[07:02]
decimation	as in, pop spy	[07:02]
asciilifeform	aha	[07:02]
asciilifeform	stierlitz	[07:02]
decimation	yeah	[07:02]
asciilifeform	but not at all like james bond	[07:02]
asciilifeform	other than being a fictional hero	[07:02]
asciilifeform	quite the polar opposite, in most ways	[07:02]
asciilifeform	;;google seventeen moments of spring	[07:03]
gribble	Seventeen Moments of Spring - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; 17 Moments of Spring - 1/12 - 1/7 - YouTube: ; Semnadtsat mgnoveniy vesny (TV Mini-Series 1973) - IMDb:	[07:03]
TheNewDeal	damn ascii, this is a lengthy piece	[07:03]
mircea_popescu	but did anyone go to jail, get fined by sec, etc? << no.	[07:04]
TheNewDeal	;;ticker	[07:05]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform> wtf even means 'like james bond'. everyone he fucked died same day? << lmao	[07:05]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 352.01, Best ask: 353.34, Bid-ask spread: 1.33000, Last trade: 353.38, 24 hour volume: 25593.98759498, 24 hour low: 344.34, 24 hour high: 380.28, 24 hour vwap: 362.289581503	[07:05]
mircea_popescu	"my sperm got is how they invented spermicide, bitch!"	[07:05]
mircea_popescu	actually that loper-os artic le is how stan ended up on hanbot's list iirc.	[07:06]
asciilifeform	aha.	[07:06]
mircea_popescu	("list of people writing about bitcoin that are not obviously total idiots")	[07:06]
thestringpuller	asciilifeform: that article is ahead of its time lol	[07:08]
thestringpuller	good read	[07:08]
decimation	as I recall, reading about stan's encounter and further correspondence on that post is what interested me in this channel	[07:08]
asciilifeform	http://pastebin.com/f4TeW4zQ	[07:09]
asciilifeform	now declassif1ed!	[07:09]
thestringpuller	"And, what is far sadder, fools invariably show up, ready to part with their Bitcoins on their own free will. They give them up in exchange for promises, backed by nothing at all." << timeless	[07:09]
mircea_popescu	yeah that sounds about right.	[07:10]
*	asciilifeform must admit for the record that he did not know about nanotube's 'wot'	[07:10]
asciilifeform	when wrote that piece.	[07:10]
asciilifeform	or possibly saw it, and did not digest	[07:11]
asciilifeform	but did, sadly, actually have the concept in head, and did nothing useful with it	[07:11]
asciilifeform	!s kyristor	[07:11]
assbot	3 results for 'kyristor' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=kyristor	[07:11]
mircea_popescu	anyway, this is funny because of all the forum derps going "oh, mpoe-pr hates everything!!1"	[07:12]
mircea_popescu	yeah, like that asshole teacher that flunks the entire class, which is unfair, because THE ENTIRE CLASS	[07:12]
asciilifeform	'entire cl455! except for those bozos who cheated by studying'	[07:13]
decimation	being an asshole is bad pr in the short run, but it's great for making history in the long run (if you are right)	[07:13]
mircea_popescu	that's the immortal gambit, isn't it.	[07:13]
thestringpuller	mpoe-pr was more of a public service	[07:16]
thestringpuller	paid to by mp to educate the masses	[07:16]
*	asciilifeform misses the mpoepr essays	[07:17]
thestringpuller	MPOE-PSA	[07:17]
BingoBoingo	So is Thermos still holding GLBSE asset lists hostage?	[07:18]
mircea_popescu	yeah but the woman was slowly going insane. and really, today's poor aren't actually worth it.	[07:18]
mircea_popescu	two years ago it was a different story.	[07:18]
thestringpuller	BingoBoingo: I think issuers got their lists	[07:19]
TheNewDeal	where can one get a hold of said mpoe-pr eas	[07:19]
TheNewDeal	essays*	[07:19]
thestringpuller	bitcointa.lk	[07:19]
BingoBoingo	bitcointa.lk seems to have stopped keeping up	[07:20]
thestringpuller	TheNewDeal: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/so-you-think-youre-going-to-start-a-bitcoin-business-right.73270/ << that's a good one	[07:20]
TheNewDeal	read that one a handful of times	[07:21]
TheNewDeal	thought that was MP for some reason...	[07:21]
*	asciilifeform read them all many times	[07:21]
asciilifeform	and the immortal...	[07:21]
asciilifeform	!s shall be delivered	[07:21]
assbot	17 results for 'shall be delivered' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=shall+be+delivered	[07:21]
BingoBoingo	yeah but the woman was slowly going insane. and really, today's poor aren't actually worth it. << Also the part where you stick by saying cares about that venue are over has its own value	[07:21]
mircea_popescu	i didn't parse that.	[07:21]
mircea_popescu	anyway, basically she's a naggum without the ulcer.	[07:22]
mircea_popescu	(did get gastritis tho)	[07:22]
BingoBoingo	Eh, when you write off a venue like bitcointalk as worthless, best to stand by that decision unless something material about the venue changes for the better.	[07:24]
mircea_popescu	and perhaps 5k posts or so, i forget the exact count, is not quite equal to that guy's usenet count.	[07:24]
thestringpuller	http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x73/_tarel_/1206481667896.gif	[07:24]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo a, yeah, that ain't happening.	[07:24]
BingoBoingo	Well not with Thermos for sure, probably not with his successor	[07:24]
thestringpuller	yet bitcointalk keeps getting donations	[07:25]
Apocalyptic	what's Hannah's blog address btw ?	[07:25]
thestringpuller	http://thewhet.net	[07:25]
Apocalyptic	thank you	[07:25]
mircea_popescu	re-reading that, incredible how little has changed since Nov 15, 2012. "get in the wot, read the logs"	[07:26]
thestringpuller	6 months thing hasn't changed either	[07:26]
decimation	fyi there's an increased chance of a severe geomagnetic storm happening in the next week or two	[07:27]
Apocalyptic	6 months thing hasn't changed either // should be 12 maybe	[07:28]
asciilifeform	when i read 'shall be delivered', i knew virtually nothing about the author -- but instant respect, of the deepest kind.	[07:28]
asciilifeform	respect as in 'i wish this person to do the privilege of being my kaishakunin.'	[07:28]
asciilifeform	;;ud kaishakunin	[07:29]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Kaishakunin&defid=1111214 \| Samurai Who Performs Kaishaku During Seppuku. The Kaishakunin Used A Katana Known As A Dotanuki.	[07:29]
decimation	he's the guy who witnesses right?	[07:29]
asciilifeform	not only witnesses.	[07:29]
BingoBoingo	6 months thing hasn't changed either // should be 12 maybe << Nah it is the same six months, test is picking the right 6	[07:29]
mircea_popescu	^	[07:30]
mircea_popescu	i like this right 6 theory	[07:30]
decimation	we are all in the same big zone together, might as well let the string be 'zekd'	[07:31]
mircea_popescu	"master, how to learn dao ?" "read a coupla lines on it" "which ones ?" "yes"	[07:31]
thestringpuller	Who is inaba again?	[07:31]
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asciilifeform	as i understand, one's kaishakunin would typically be a respected teacher, who approves of you enough to take the risk of embarrassing himself by chopping incorrectly.	[07:31]
Apocalyptic	so it's either the noob gets the 6 right or gets only a subset, if the cardinal of this subset is low enough it doesn't help in any way	[07:31]
thestringpuller	"My point was that I have run and continue to run successful business(s) on the Bitcoin platform and yet somehow I've managed to do this without WOT... again shooting your theory to hell and gone." << Don't know what businesses he is talking about.	[07:31]
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mircea_popescu	thestringpuller "we".	[07:32]
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mircea_popescu	!up eth3	[07:32]
-assbot-	You voiced eth3 for 30 minutes.	[07:32]
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mircea_popescu	ennumeration!	[07:32]
decimation	!s eth2	[07:32]
assbot	2 results for 'eth2' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=eth2	[07:32]
eth3	hi	[07:32]
eth3	heh had to change nicks to get in mintpal's channel	[07:32]
eth3	moolah didn't like being called out on his scam	[07:32]
mircea_popescu	i thought you were just fighting systemv	[07:32]
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eth3	nah just snooping over there see if there was any action ;p	[07:33]
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decimation	asciilifeform: I booted rhel7 today to find out what lennart has been up to	[07:33]
decimation	it's been 'chromed', looks like lame osx	[07:34]
decimation	even the server version	[07:34]
mircea_popescu	anyway, inaba is the original bfl forum shill / organiser of the original "bfl will deliver" scambets.	[07:34]
BingoBoingo	thestringpuller: Inaba is BFL-PR	[07:34]
thestringpuller	"You hold up MPEx and Satoshi Dice as successful businesses, and give them valuation in the millions of dollars. I mean, seriously, what is there to argue? I've already provided you evidence and reasons as to why the utter nonsense you're claiming is evidence for your arguments is false and you just keep providing the same nonsensical arguments over and over. BFL has sold tons of hardware, that is verifiable proo	[07:34]
thestringpuller	"	[07:34]
thestringpuller	^- wow it's just funny to read this stuff now.	[07:34]
mircea_popescu	he's got a legitimate business trading ciggs for socks and sweaters in jail now or what.	[07:34]
asciilifeform	trading something else.	[07:35]
decimation	no cigs aren't allowed anymore I think	[07:35]
decimation	they trade tins of sardines	[07:35]
*	BingoBoingo still feels warm fuzzies about winning the S.BBET over S.DICE bet win	[07:35]
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mircea_popescu	o right it was herring	[07:36]
decimation	http://online.wsj.com/articles/SB122290720439096481	[07:36]
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decimation	"There's been a mackerel economy in federal prisons since about 2004, former inmates and some prison consultants say. That's when federal prisons prohibited smoking and, by default, the cigarette pack, which was the earlier gold standard."	[07:36]
thestringpuller	BFL hadn't even delivered at that point, those sales were just "preorders". Geeze.	[07:36]
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*	asciilifeform when read about this for the first time, wondered if some 'lifer' inmate will file a 'cruel and unusual punishment' claim against the u.s. department of prisons for potentially extending his lifespan and thus adding years to his sentence without a judge's say-so	[07:39]
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decimation	lol asciilifeform that's a good point	[07:39]
mircea_popescu	interesting argument	[07:39]
mircea_popescu	may even get to scotus	[07:40]
asciilifeform	lol	[07:40]
mircea_popescu	they recently heard a case about fucking beards.	[07:40]
decimation	yeah they decide hard-hitting cases like that these days	[07:40]
TheNewDeal	beard fucking?	[07:40]
asciilifeform	except that one must appreciate the kind of monsters methodist/puritans are. e.g., not only are various measures taken to prevent inmates from offing themselves, but those condemned to death are on 24/7 'suicide watch'.	[07:40]
TheNewDeal	;;google beard fucking scotus	[07:41]
gribble	Sadly, No! » Fuck the Fucking Supreme Court: ; This Better Not Be the Beginning of the End for Beards - Jezebel: ; Supreme Court Facial Hair \| Josh Blackman's Blog:	[07:41]
asciilifeform	lest they deprive the crown of its entertainment.	[07:41]
decimation	scotus is so frightened of making another 'roe v wade' and thus lose their 'prestige'	[07:41]
decimation	that they have neutered themselves from making any decisions	[07:41]
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decimation	and will thus fade into irrelevance like the president and congress	[07:41]
mircea_popescu	the president can't fade into irrelevance.	[07:43]
decimation	well, there's no doubt that there's a megaphone attached to his lips, but what does he actually say anymore?	[07:43]
BingoBoingo	Ebama simply summons Obola to crush dissent	[07:44]
mircea_popescu	the content ain't that important.	[07:44]
decimation	asciilifeform: maybe as a mercy gesture the prisons stock high-mercury mackerel	[07:44]
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BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: maybe as a mercy gesture the prisons stock high-mercury mackerel << Heavy metal poisoning is slow	[07:45]
decimation	perhaps the presidency will slowly transform into 'the official scapegoat'	[07:45]
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mircea_popescu	seems dubious, but maybe.	[07:45]
asciilifeform	ze fuhrer says through his megaphone - whatever he is asked to say. for example, '38400 baud.' >> http://imgur.com/a/oZSiI	[07:45]
asciilifeform	'At the 1980 Olympics, Brezhnev begins his speech. "O!"—applause. "O!"—an ovation. "O!!!"—the whole audience stands up and applauds. An aide comes running to the podium and whispers, "Leonid Ilyich, those are the Olympic logo rings, you don't need to read all of them!"'	[07:46]
decimation	one of the few unifying opinions in the us today is 'the politicians suck'	[07:47]
decimation	a fact highlighted daily by bureaucrats and their media minions	[07:47]
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mircea_popescu	by the way, is yarvin still writing or lives in memory only ?	[07:49]
asciilifeform	ask him	[07:49]
decimation	he put a post up a few months ago that kinda ended it	[07:49]
asciilifeform	http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2014/08/hiatus.html	[07:49]
assbot	Unqualified Reservations: Hiatus	[07:49]
decimation	he's apparently gotten himself roped into the silly-con valley circus (again)	[07:50]
mircea_popescu	aha	[07:50]
decimation	I think urbit is still around	[07:50]
decimation	maybe they are in 'stealth mode'	[07:50]
asciilifeform	searched using google, for 'urbit', via a few proxies, cookieless browser - and discovered that...	[07:51]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo's 'review' - and mine - are on front page.	[07:51]
decimation	lol	[07:51]
decimation	I'm sure when they are done with 'stealth mode' urbit will be awesome ;)	[07:52]
mircea_popescu	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/10/22/facebook_uk_2013_accounts_corporation_tax/	[07:52]
assbot	Facebook pays INFINITELY MORE UK corp tax than in 2012 The Register	[07:52]
*	BingoBoingo was probably the least technical person to compel Urbit to the gallows	[07:52]
asciilifeform	i'm also still, for some reason, on their mailing list, and mostly nothing has happened there in a while	[07:52]
asciilifeform	doesn't mean mr mold isn't grinding away in his cellar again like before.	[07:52]
asciilifeform	but, stopped posting, it seems.	[07:52]
decimation	probably with mr. theil's cash	[07:52]
asciilifeform	no secret, this	[07:52]
asciilifeform	unless he's blown it on 'paid best friends'	[07:53]
decimation	eh, he can probably gain a small staff of unpaid 'interns'	[07:53]
asciilifeform	i'm sorta glad he did the escapade, because those were the easiest four-and-half btc i ever made	[07:54]
decimation	heh. I just got a destroyer, and after rebuilding the code about 5 times I said 'fuck this'	[07:54]
decimation	plus, the intentionally annoying 'language'	[07:55]
asciilifeform	http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1352	[07:55]
assbot	Loper OS » Dukedom for Sale.	[07:55]
decimation	having to learn runes to read beowulf is one thing, acting as some weirdo's bitch is another	[07:55]
asciilifeform	decimation: actually i must disagree. i followed mr mold's project since the day i ferreted out the semi-public dump where he kept it	[07:56]
asciilifeform	decimation: i'm willing to believe him where he swore to me that he never learned 'haskell', 'ml', or the like.	[07:57]
asciilifeform	decimation: but he certainly sat in comp sci grad school long enough to suffer the braindamage which produced those monstrosities	[07:57]
asciilifeform	until i realized this, following the work was actually enjoyable	[07:58]
asciilifeform	there was ever the possibility that he - wouldn't - do... well, what he did.	[07:58]
BingoBoingo	Fucking Jets	[07:58]
asciilifeform	i eagerly and secretly learned his languages from the scant posted notes and the system sources.	[07:59]
asciilifeform	there are not so many of us.	[08:00]
asciilifeform	os crackpots, that is	[08:00]
asciilifeform	can't set the bozo bit on a fellow so quickly, i thought, esp. one who somehow begged/borrowed/stole enough free time to actually achieve something tangible	[08:00]
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asciilifeform	when mr mold posted a begging box some years ago (prior to public urbit) - i gave...	[08:01]
asciilifeform	(his 'fuckyoumoney' was, he said, actually just 'temporarily fuckyou' and had run through. his dependopotamus had birthed.)	[08:01]
mircea_popescu	ahahhah "temporary fuck you"	[08:02]
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BingoBoingo	^ mircea_popescu contemplating Usian contempt for fertile women	[08:02]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2010/01/mencius-moldbug-babysitting-fund.html	[08:02]
assbot	Unqualified Reservations: The Mencius Moldbug Babysitting Fund	[08:02]
decimation	asciilifeform: I also gave a couple btc to his pot	[08:03]
mircea_popescu	is this like "i don't eat anything for as many as 20 hours a day, so i'm therefore anorexic" ?	[08:03]
decimation	I don't disagree with your assessment, it just makes me feel weird to try to learn something that's so esoteric	[08:03]
mircea_popescu	i mean the temporary fuck you is the exact definition of the non-fuck you	[08:03]
asciilifeform	he had, according to his confession at least, what turned out to be a battery rather than a perpetuum mobile.	[08:03]
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decimation	asciilifeform: yeah I was disappointed when he cut off blogging after I gave	[08:04]
asciilifeform	same	[08:04]
mircea_popescu	now that happens	[08:04]
asciilifeform	though he did specify 'i won't promise to do anything interesting now'	[08:04]
asciilifeform	sorta admited that he was spent	[08:04]
decimation	he might have had the unwashed masses who followed him 'go to his head'	[08:04]
asciilifeform	'plan was to make some money in Silicon Valley and then retire as an independent scholar...' << notice, mr mold also didn't much care for arbeit macht frei.	[08:06]
decimation	asciilifeform: I was thinking about this today, you are right. it's fantastically expensive to feed and house yourself in the us, especially with dependents	[08:06]
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mircea_popescu	i have no idea how well it applies, but i have seen this "independently wealthy" affectation too often to count, both online and off. it is usually the carpace of the shy, socialy awkward, intelligent young male.	[08:07]
BingoBoingo	decimation: Only if you stay in income trapzors	[08:07]
mircea_popescu	pretty much every whore i ever talked to readily identifies it in the field as mere pretense.	[08:07]
asciilifeform	and woe be unto you if you have some calling that is more costly than watching tv.	[08:07]
decimation	BingoBoingo: like, live off of usg welfare checks?	[08:07]
mircea_popescu	plenty of blogs start on that basis, which assuages the author's mindvoices long enough to write something	[08:07]
mircea_popescu	then as a sense of familiarity develops, more of truth can be let out.	[08:08]
asciilifeform	usg welfare << terry davis!	[08:08]
BingoBoingo	decimation: No, like somewhere rent is $300/month instead of $maxint/month	[08:08]
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decimation	To me "independently wealthy" implies owning a revenue stream that is sufficient for a reasonable standard of living, plus cushion	[08:08]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo i guess it depends on whether decimation means by dependents any 16 yo kids like in the youtube vid.	[08:08]
decimation	heh no mine are very young	[08:08]
BingoBoingo	Ah, $maxint child induced damage	[08:08]
BingoBoingo	Seriously thoug Ohio is a place. The20YearIRCloud does well renting mud huts in the wastes of Ohio	[08:09]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: "independently wealthy" affectation too often to count << not hard to tell the fake perpetuum mobile - it sorta grinds to a halt at some point...	[08:09]
decimation	right, but then I wouingld have to drive an hour to do... anyth	[08:09]
mircea_popescu	i'd rather raise children in chiapas than ohio.	[08:09]
asciilifeform	what does it cost in ohio to get 1Gb/s fiber?	[08:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13197 @ 0.00074258 = 9.7998 BTC [+]	[08:11]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform why do you need 1gb/s ?	[08:11]
asciilifeform	how many volumes in ru or de in the topology section of the largest academic library in ohio?	[08:11]
mircea_popescu	decimation owning "revenue streams" is not so unlike owning women, the original... stream.	[08:11]
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asciilifeform	what does it cost to take next-day delivery of a crate of taiwanese FETs in rural (cheap) ohio?	[08:11]
asciilifeform	etc	[08:12]
decimation	asciilifeform: there's this guy in akron who is trying to run a 'startup' https://tiny-circuits.com/blog/	[08:12]
assbot	TinyCircuits Blog	[08:12]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i don't imagine post charges differently ?!	[08:12]
decimation	he can rent industrial space for cheap	[08:12]
decimation	can't hire anybody	[08:12]
decimation	yeah ascii I bet it's cheaper to ship there than to dc	[08:12]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: u.s. post is worthless. private carriers will only deliver to reasonably large population centers, at least given normal 'human' (vs courier, $maxint) service.	[08:13]
BingoBoingo	how many volumes in ru or de in the topology section of the largest academic library in ohio? << At OSU prolly a lot and you can walk them out the door forever	[08:13]
decimation	I bet the ohio state university library is as good or better than maryland, but it's also not near any cheap housing	[08:13]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i dunno, man. fedex delivered to timisoara nad to luxor	[08:13]
mircea_popescu	both in the 100k range, nowhere.	[08:13]
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mircea_popescu	akron is what, 1mn ? 2mn ?	[08:13]
decimation	200k	[08:14]
mircea_popescu	well in that sense boston is 50k lol.	[08:14]
mircea_popescu	200k + 700k	[08:14]
asciilifeform	at any rate, darkest ohio is a paltry 1-2x cheaper than where i am.	[08:15]
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BingoBoingo	I mean even if must live in the bay area, Oakland is a place...	[08:15]
decimation	asciilifeform: yeah that's the problem	[08:15]
decimation	you can rent an apartment for 1k instead of 2k	[08:15]
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BingoBoingo	I have never spent 4 digit integer dollars on apartment.	[08:16]
decimation	asciilifeform: has your landlord bothered you about your various 'hobbies'	[08:16]
asciilifeform	decimation: he lives in ca.	[08:16]
decimation	the problem with renting homes in the us is that 99.99% of the 'landlords' are just some other chump with the mortgage	[08:17]
asciilifeform	yes, that kind, as i understand	[08:17]
asciilifeform	not a pro, owns just this one bldg	[08:17]
decimation	the general business strategy is to spend nothing on maintenance and maximize rent	[08:17]
asciilifeform	amortizes all maintenance using insurance co.	[08:17]
decimation	which is why renting is not a thing for most folks	[08:17]
decimation	lol like he files claims?	[08:17]
asciilifeform	right	[08:17]
asciilifeform	this is SOP apparently	[08:18]
decimation	I thought insurance companies drop you like a hot potato if you pull that	[08:18]
asciilifeform	so long as it's, e.g., new refrigerator every 15 yrs and not 15 months	[08:18]
decimation	the reason why this works out (even if the guy is losing money) is that real estate is favored by usg tax code	[08:19]
asciilifeform	at any rate, no sc4mz0r, he, i've no complaints. house does exactly what was printed on the tin.	[08:19]
decimation	one can depreciate the house to $0 over 30 years	[08:19]
asciilifeform	yes	[08:19]
decimation	but it's not just housing, food, petrol, etc, all is priced to essentially rob most of your discretionary income	[08:20]
asciilifeform	don't forget tax.	[08:20]
BingoBoingo	one can depreciate the house to $0 over 30 years << One can depreciate house to a liability within a day	[08:20]
decimation	lol	[08:21]
decimation	asciilifeform: yeah even with the tax breaks above, a person is going to pay at least 30-40% tax	[08:21]
decimation	this would have been considered ridiculous even by roman tax farmers	[08:22]
asciilifeform	roman slaves had more disposable income than most people in usa.	[08:22]
asciilifeform	more in sense of buying power	[08:23]
decimation	most of that tax is paid by kulaks, to fund programs that assault their dignity and liberty	[08:23]
decimation	http://www.denverpost.com/entertainment/ci_26742711/did-diversity-miss-train-union-stations-architecture << semi-related	[08:25]
assbot	Did diversity miss the train in Union Station's architecture? - The Denver Post	[08:25]
decimation	apparently the boring train station that hosts successful business is 'racist', because it doesn't have an african corner or something	[08:26]
*	BingoBoingo sometimes forgets abused Usians aspire towards more than 200 square feet and a flush toilet in their residence	[08:26]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: some aspire to, e.g., electron microscope, or six-axis vertical mill, or ion beam workstation.	[08:30]
asciilifeform	other - healthier folks - to bathtub for burial in cocaine.	[08:30]
BingoBoingo	This is true	[08:30]
asciilifeform	but the real treasure - unlimited free time - makes ion beam workstation look like a 'dollar store' souvenir.	[08:31]
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decimation	guten morgen	[08:32]
decimation	!up smidge	[08:32]
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decimation	asciilifeform: even though hardly anyone is involved in producing food, we are still not free from wage-bondage	[08:33]
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asciilifeform	http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_sdKX5Hq8cnk/SZVX52DsPoI/AAAAAAAAAOM/eE5uWEMVxNM/s400/2008_slumdog.jpg	[08:34]
asciilifeform	decimation: arbeit macht frei!	[08:34]
decimation	the uncertain money supply contributes to over-bidding of assets	[08:35]
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decimation	heh stierlitz is available with english subtitles on youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIzOma9Pyv8	[08:37]
assbot	17 Moments of Spring - 1/12 - 1/7 - YouTube	[08:37]
asciilifeform	yes.	[08:38]
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asciilifeform	decimation: http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/4/9/4/170494.jpg?v=1	[08:56]
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cazalla	mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/01.jpg << me thinks is is like too fucking much to scrool through. but anyway. <<< it is but i'd rather scroll 10 images than click 10, pdf is included anyway :P	[09:21]
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mircea_popescu	but the real treasure - unlimited free time - makes ion beam workstation look like a 'dollar store' souvenir. << meanwhile i've spent my unlimited free time of today watching old sexploitation movies to the intellectual exhaustion of the entire company.	[10:13]
mircea_popescu	it is but i'd rather scroll 10 images than click 10, pdf is included anyway :P << brevity is teh soul of wit and all that.	[10:14]
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cazalla	http://qntra.net/2014/10/swedish-enforcement-agency-to-look-if-debtors-own-bitcoin/	[11:44]
assbot	Swedish Enforcement Agency To Look If Debtors Own Bitcoin \| Qntra.net	[11:44]
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RagnarDanneskjol	http://online.wsj.com/articles/u-k-will-have-to-pay-an-extra-2-6-billion-to-eu-budget-1414137927	[11:47]
assbot	U.K. Will Have to Pay an Extra $2.6 Billion to EU Budget - WSJ - WSJ	[11:47]
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punkman	did assbot change how it sends PMs? It keeps opening new windows in my client every time it sends a line.	[11:59]
punkman	"Eurostat arrived at the €2.1bn figure on the basis of new methods of calculating member states’ GNI since 1995, taking account of previously unreported or under-reported black economy elements, such as drug dealing and consumption or the sex industry."	[11:59]
punkman	(without paywall http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/23/uk-european-commission-eu-budget-contribution)	[11:59]
assbot	404 Page not found	[11:59]
punkman	I wonder what these eutards are smoking	[12:00]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00073878 = 6.3166 BTC [+]	[12:14]
mircea_popescu	lol and how are they going to do that.	[12:21]
mircea_popescu	also, http://trilema.com/2014/caged-tit/	[12:21]
assbot	Caged Tit pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[12:21]
mircea_popescu	punkman basically desperation is what they're smoking.	[12:22]
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*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 5 21:58:12 2014	[17:49]
-assbot-	Welcome to #bitcoin-assets. To get voice (ie, to be able to speak), first identify with gribble and then send "!up" to assbot in a private message. If you do not have a WoT account, try politely asking one of the voiced people for a temporary pass.	[17:49]
mike_c	custom code?	[17:49]
ziggamon	the topup method is for most cases a direct-to-mobile, bitrefill sends a request to the distributor, who then sends a request to the operator, and the user gets a nice sms saying ”your account was topped up”	[17:49]
mike_c	why did you notice?	[17:50]
kakobrekla	mike_c still it doesnt make sense	[17:50]
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kakobrekla	you just make tx larger and next ouputs smaller	[17:50]
kakobrekla	double fail	[17:50]
kakobrekla	outputs*	[17:50]
mike_c	yes, i didn't mean "really good custom code"	[17:50]
mike_c	somebody had on their ledger two amounts they owed that guy and their code made two outputs in the tx.	[17:51]
mike_c	although.. that may not be totally retarded.	[17:51]
kakobrekla	i own the incoming address	[17:51]
kakobrekla	its not what you describe	[17:51]
mike_c	do you know who sent it to you?	[17:52]
kakobrekla	some bit4x user	[17:52]
*	mircea_popescu is now curious what ppl are discussing, loads up the logs	[17:52]
kakobrekla	nothing significant prolly	[17:53]
ben_vulpes	interesting, blockchain barfs on calculating transacted total	[17:53]
kakobrekla	i just cant make sense of it	[17:53]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9339 @ 0.00073705 = 6.8833 BTC [+]	[17:53]
mike_c	not the only time it happened from that address.	[17:53]
mike_c	https://blockchain.info/tx/18d8d42c2e09fce04f1613869e4e60beb17a4d311e0dfa452311fb06598c6a0e	[17:53]
assbot	Bitcoin Transaction 18d8d42c2e09fce04f1613869e4e60beb17a4d311e0dfa452311fb06598c6a0e	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	bounce: "we're looking for a junior database developer. you will also be our DBA. we do big data and require tsql skills. we're active in 80% of the country's hospitals. we're an entirely microsoft shop." -- this advert frightens me. <<< omfg holy shit.	[17:53]
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mircea_popescu	jurov: mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know who ? linus. << actually he was so disgusted to unity he switched back to kde <<< he kept switching between gnome and kde, at least two or three back and forths.	[17:54]
ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: p. sure i know that company	[17:54]
ben_vulpes	hilarious technology choices	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	so, the junior db guy is going to be the dba ?	[17:54]
ben_vulpes	"the" dba	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	"we are looking to hire a young cowhand, you will also be our napoleon"	[17:55]
ben_vulpes	impling "the" db	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	oh ?!	[17:55]
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kakobrekla	i see mike_c heh. that one isnt pointing towards me though.	[17:55]
ben_vulpes	if it's the same company, they've got one in every single customer dc	[17:55]
mike_c	yeah, just saying. he's doing some odd tx's.	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes i guess you know your cortisols huh.	[17:55]
kakobrekla	i think im gonna ask him	[17:56]
ben_vulpes	shrug i don't 'em as hot as you do i guess	[17:56]
ben_vulpes	*run 'em	[17:56]
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kakobrekla	what sort of black magicks is he performing	[17:56]
ben_vulpes	!up ziggamon	[17:56]
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ben_vulpes	!up ziggamon	[17:57]
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ben_vulpes	whatever you say, assbot.	[17:57]
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bounce	yes, the original had "you will be our dba"; also implying probably the only dedicated tech guy to work with the eggheads in analytics	[17:58]
ben_vulpes	if that's the case, they're not the same company at all.	[17:59]
mircea_popescu	"your job will be to write another leveldb to excel 11.2.5 translation tool	[17:59]
mircea_popescu	the previous one broke when we upgraded from excel 10"	[17:59]
mircea_popescu	YOU CAN NOT USE ANY CLI STUFF. THAT BRINGS VIRUSES AND OTHER TERRORISTS	[17:59]
*	mircea_popescu imagines little shops of horror where excel spreadsheets have little magic cells where one puts magic values in order to cause an excel-to-db commit	[18:00]
bounce	there's plenty of those in tdwtf, no need to imagine.	[18:01]
undata	mircea_popescu: at a previous gig in a consulting shop, we encountered a (subsequently rejected) potential client which did exactly this	[18:01]
ben_vulpes	;;ud tdwtf	[18:01]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=TDWTF \| Nov 5, 2008 ... The Daily What The Fuck. A website containing random IT stuff that make you go WTF. Dear god. This bastardised site looks like from TDWTF.	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes: cazalla: http://www.dailydot.com/crime/silk-road-murder-charges-ross-ulbricht/ <<<< cazalla this totally needs all the research you can throw at it. what the fuck is the story there, they got raped on the "undercover" work ? how ? why ? major point loss for the omni-impotent usg.	[18:02]
assbot	The mystery of the disappearing Silk Road murder charges	[18:02]
mircea_popescu	undata sigh.	[18:02]
undata	mircea_popescu: the effort that guy poured into learning excel "macros" or whatever their called could've been spent on lvl2 php	[18:02]
mircea_popescu	excel has "macros" in the sense people trying to emulate my sex life through jacking off have lipstick on their balls.	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	microsoft just heard there's this thing "emacs" that has these things "macros" so they put a brick in their thing with MCRAO written on it.	[18:04]
bounce	it's got a name. "visual basic for applications". great for macro viruses and such. one stop shop for all your office document infection needs.	[18:05]
mircea_popescu	is it actually visual basic ?	[18:05]
jurov	how actually? basically it is	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	lol "visual basic for applications". "c for seafaring vessels. java for flowing liquids. ruby for rings". what the fuck is a language for, applications, right ? what the fuck else, gramas ?	[18:06]
jurov	cazalla i missed footnote 12. nevermind	[18:06]
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mircea_popescu	jurov does it have cell-aware goto ? so could you write a basic program in a 2d array that's the excel spreadshit ?	[18:07]
*	bounce has so far successfully avoided more understanding than to look away in a hurry as soon as anything like it comes into view, so can't help you there. so not sorry.	[18:08]
mircea_popescu	and i asked if it actually is basic because microsoft could just as well rape perl and call it "visual basic for backscratching"	[18:08]
jurov	lol it's not inside spreadsheet. i never used it, tho	[18:08]
undata	http://www.tushar-mehta.com/publish_train/xl_vba_cases/0906%20conways%20game%20of%20life.shtml	[18:08]
assbot	Conway's Game of Life	[18:08]
mod6	<+mircea_popescu> "we are looking to hire a young cowhand, you will also be our napoleon" << haha	[18:09]
mircea_popescu	excel gol ?	[18:09]
mircea_popescu	kinda cool.	[18:09]
jurov	embedding scripting lang in the app isn't anything unusual... how m$ did it is another story	[18:09]
jurov	my opinion on excel? "yeah call me when it is able to simply read back csv excereted by itself."	[18:10]
bounce	that was entirely true to form: they announced they'd do it. everybody assumed it'd be bodged all to hell and back again. they released it. someone figured out a virus for it. [x] bodging confirmed.	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	ziggamon: it’s different for different countries. but markup is generally 10-20%. << what i don't get is, most countries have local shops that even give discount. why would someone pay a premium ? what's the usecase like ?	[18:10]
kakobrekla	lazy?	[18:11]
jurov	mircea_popescu anonimity for the poor	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	;;ud bodged	[18:11]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bodge \| bodge. A quick and dirty job, something done very hastily. Make it look good for the next day or two and if it falls down after that, it's alright. 1> You bodged ...	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	til.	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	jurov but i can buy refill cards here anonymously too. and phones, for that matter.	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	i guess it's an outside-of-us-only type of deal ?	[18:12]
jurov	in the EU? that's not so easy	[18:12]
mircea_popescu	ic.	[18:12]
jurov	but then i'm 100% sure it doesn't have eu in the list anyway. there were such services before.	[18:12]
kakobrekla	theres france	[18:13]
kakobrekla	but thats not really eu	[18:13]
jurov	exception culturelle	[18:14]
kakobrekla	also spain	[18:14]
ziggamon	mircea_popescu: You are right about the fees. Use cases are sometimes people want to do it online and now they can. Fees are lower than equivalent services that take credit card. Also there is a remittance use case for bitcoiners.	[18:14]
ziggamon	the goal is, with enough usage I’ll be able to negotiate better prices from the distributor, and eventually set up agreements with operators directly, only then will it be competitive with the kiosk	[18:15]
bounce	you running any sort of turnover already?	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	ziggamon: :) 100 satoshis. <<< this at least he got right, bitcoin is powers of two powers, not powers of three.	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	as discussed http://trilema.com/2013/mpex-one-year-of-dividends/#footnote_4_47551 because trilema, again a year ahead of public discourse in the space.	[18:15]
assbot	MPEx : one year of dividends pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[18:15]
ziggamon	bounce: not yet, slow launching now, here, on my personal FB/twitter and such. but I’ve gotten a few orders from around the world already and everything seems to be working. will be doing more promotion during the weekend	[18:16]
bounce	100 isn't a power of two	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	jurov thing is, since all of eu is basically supplied by a british and a french operator, france is good enough, just buy orange there.	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	bounce 10*2, where 2 is a power of 2.	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	as opposed to 10**3, where 3 is a power of 3.	[18:17]
bounce	yay, new series!	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	basically, 1`000, 1`000`000, 1`000`000`000 is bullshit whereas 100, 10`000, 1`000`000, 100`000`000 is where it's at is the idea.	[18:18]
jurov	10000 satoshi shall be named mircibitcoin and 100 popescibitcoin in the honor of...	[18:19]
mircea_popescu	that doesn't sound like it has a chance.	[18:20]
mircea_popescu	i don't see myself saying "popescibitcoin"	[18:20]
bounce	SI gives single singe digit shifts, at least until it hits 10^3 and 10^-3	[18:20]
jurov	decidecibitcoin :D	[18:20]
bounce	s/single single/single/ just a single single please	[18:20]
mircea_popescu	bounce talk about nonsense in standards, right. "oh, single digit then three digit. because fatlogic."	[18:20]
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jurov	how is that nonsense?	[18:21]
mircea_popescu	and because "use double digit throughout is too hard, you definitely need and use patent nonsense like deciliter"	[18:21]
mike_c	mircea_popescu: the use case is mostly not for your phone. you are in US and topping up mom's phone in mexico.	[18:21]
*	asciilifeform remembers recent machining textbook (american) which defended barbarian units of measure as 'intuitive to humans'	[18:21]
mircea_popescu	mike_c wouldn't you send her btc and she can do it locally ? guess not.	[18:21]
bounce	gives a good range and is still fine grained for the ones more often in use. not nonsense to me.	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform there is some value to that, amusingly, in exactly an end-of-world context. because you can measure feet and inches without rulers better than you can measure cms.	[18:22]
asciilifeform	my index finger knuckle-to-tip is a вершок to 1 %.	[18:22]
jurov	that's just because there are entrenched foot sizes	[18:23]
jurov	nonmetrical	[18:23]
mircea_popescu	bounce it may not be to you, but it's proven nonsense in practice. your beer is not 5 deciliters, but most likely 50 cl or 500ml.	[18:23]
jurov	if i knew my feet are of size 27cm then i could measure accurately	[18:23]
mircea_popescu	jurov and we could call you A4jurov	[18:23]
bounce	hm? plenty glasses are marked with dl, not cl and marking with ml would be misleading	[18:25]
mircea_popescu	i gotta see one of these beers marked in dl.	[18:25]
mats_cd03	i've never seen dl.	[18:25]
mircea_popescu	me either.	[18:25]
jurov	and i'm not convinced about inches, too.. everyone still has to check their size anyway before using it	[18:25]
asciilifeform	in the apocalyptic dark future of kello kitty (TM) - the billion iPnohes may not power up, but they'll remain the same size... somehow people forget that the planet is cluttered up with a nearly-bottomless supply of objects of very exactly known sizes.	[18:26]
asciilifeform	so my accurate '1U of server' knuckle will not be asked after.	[18:26]
jurov	lol you remember the onscreen ruler app? with zoom function?	[18:26]
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asciilifeform	wat	[18:27]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform rounded corners therefore your argument is ivalid.	[18:27]
mircea_popescu	iValid*	[18:27]
asciilifeform	lol!	[18:27]
mircea_popescu	jurov tits measure! nipple to nipple capilicker!	[18:27]
jurov	too bouncy	[18:29]
mircea_popescu	anyway, logical scale, if you must have it log for fine-ness : 100 orign, then 101, 103, 105, 109, 1013, 1017, 2021, then 10**29 and add 8 seven more times so on.	[18:29]
mircea_popescu	god's scale, because it allows you to integrate everyday important stuff like the atomcount on a planet.	[18:30]
jurov	well, one'd need to start writing numbers like 10'0000'00'00'0	[18:31]
mircea_popescu	jurov still, i don't believe there's enough day to day humiliation for alleged females with cupsizes under c.	[18:31]
mircea_popescu	aaaand what's wrong with that ?	[18:31]
jurov	not saying its wrong	[18:31]
mircea_popescu	pity there's not more hipser listening in on -assets, this could be the new bored math grad student trent	[18:32]
mircea_popescu	trend*	[18:32]
jurov	another system would mess with my perception	[18:32]
bounce	trent, the bored math grad hipster	[18:32]
mircea_popescu	that's the definition of hipsterism.	[18:32]
jurov	i started to split fractional part by 4 digits	[18:33]
mircea_popescu	;;google pula lui terente	[18:33]
gribble	Nu e deloc ușor să colecționezi penisuri \| VICE Romania: ; Ko-Rupt - Sa-mi bag pula-n ma-ta - YouTube: ; IPJ Gorj Perchezitii contrabanda tigari Matasari 1 oct - YouTube:	[18:33]
jurov	and it bit me outside bitcoin	[18:33]
jurov	so i must be careful	[18:33]
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mircea_popescu	true story : early 1900s romanian outlaw and rapist, hung like a horse, after execution penis kept by museum of natural history.	[18:33]
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mircea_popescu	allegedly womenz left the door unlocked because fancied a fuck. so then he;'d also rob the place.	[18:34]
jurov	very expensive escort service	[18:35]
mircea_popescu	well generally the women fancying the fuck were young hussies, the people owning the place/jools not young hussies, so it works out eh ?	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	sorta like fuck-welfare, you get laid, govt picks up the bill.	[18:36]
jurov	and how we come to that topic? my client dropped a line somhow?	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	we were discussing trent	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	the bored hipster grad student.	[18:36]
jurov	;;google trent, the bored math grad hipster	[18:37]
gribble	Stranded: A Wayward Ink Publishing Anthology - Kindle edition by ...: ; collision detection: Blogonomics: My latest story in New York ...: ; Kanye West ChicagoVerseUniteD: Chicago Scene Salvation: (1 more message)	[18:38]
jurov	?	[18:39]
mircea_popescu	it's in the logs lol. trent, the bored math grad hipster	[18:39]
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bounce	oh, stick me with the blame, why don't you	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	big cocks are no blame.	[18:41]
jurov	oh it's not any preexisting (fictional or real) character?	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	no, we just made it up. because we're creative like that.	[18:41]
bounce	that's it, cock au vin for dinner tonight	[18:41]
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mircea_popescu	with our very large mindpenis.	[18:41]
jurov	i was interested in his stories... guess imma have to write it myself	[18:41]
bounce	argl. s/ck/q/ but the damage is done now anyway	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	jurov actually, trent the GAY bored math grad student hipster would be even better.	[18:42]
jurov	yest id' make him a fag	[18:42]
jurov	yes i'd make him a fag	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	not really a fag all the way tho. maybe just the gaytip ?	[18:42]
bounce	as in happy. these are supposed to be happy stories.	[18:42]
bounce	gay just as soon as it's hip to be gay. now wouldn't that be an interesting trend.	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	would be ? how about is ?	[18:43]
bounce	have they caught on themselves?	[18:44]
jurov	that's called "gay curious" or such	[18:44]
jurov	bi curious	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	i dunno, but the complaint of all the actual faggots i know in the us is that "all the kids pretending like they're gay make life impossible"	[18:44]
jurov	lol	[18:44]
bounce	that was the point, yes. the pretension and then not carrying through.	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	it's really pretty heavy duty trollage of the gay community by mainstream hot topic teenagers. think about it, what if all the chicks in discos were really trannies.	[18:45]
ben_vulpes	"these kids have no idea what it meant to be gay even a decade ago!"	[18:45]
mircea_popescu	^	[18:45]
mircea_popescu	"just because i'm gay he thinks i want him to stick his penis into me ?!?!?!?!"	[18:45]
mircea_popescu	"can't we all just be platonigay ?"	[18:46]
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jurov	eternal friendzone	[18:46]
mircea_popescu	gayzone is best friendzone!	[18:46]
mircea_popescu	jurov is he sjw also ? or just a lot of aloof ennui on political topics ?	[18:49]
jurov	our trent is totally starring in porn under "hung hipster" nick	[18:49]
mircea_popescu	well, camwhoring at any rate.	[18:50]
jurov	woud prolly be better story if some sjw is his bitch	[18:50]
mircea_popescu	well, online-only bitch at any rate.	[18:51]
mircea_popescu	maybe the pilot episode is the nsa trying to recruit him	[18:51]
mircea_popescu	and he's all like...	[18:51]
mircea_popescu	jurov you ever seen le grand blond ?	[18:52]
jurov	which nsa? interacting with our stan would be fun	[18:52]
mircea_popescu	no no the other nsa.	[18:52]
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bounce	pretending to be starring, of course. couldn't be a hipster if it was for real.	[18:52]
jurov	not seen	[18:52]
mircea_popescu	then he turns them down and takes a job for stan's nsa.	[18:52]
mircea_popescu	jurov oh you absolutely must.	[18:52]
mircea_popescu	;;google le grand blond avec une chaussure noire	[18:53]
gribble	The Tall Blond Man with One Black Shoe (1972) - IMDb: ; The Tall Blond Man with One Black Shoe - Wikipedia, the free ...: ; The Return of the Tall Blond Man with One Black Shoe - Wikipedia ...: (1 more message)	[18:53]
jurov	maybe i did but mostly forgot	[18:54]
mircea_popescu	pierre richard got the derpy cool.	[18:54]
mircea_popescu	and mireille d'arc is the hottie soubrette soumise from le grand restaurant	[18:56]
mircea_popescu	;;google site:trilema.com mireille darc	[18:56]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/les-veinards/ <	[18:57]
assbot	Les veinards pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[18:57]
gribble	Les veinards pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.:	[18:58]
asciilifeform	nsa tries to recruit derpy math kid << 'good will hunting' (film)	[18:59]
mircea_popescu	mat damon is too much of a fucking ham for this.	[18:59]
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ben_vulpes	trilema dns still borkd for me	[19:00]
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mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes is it cached locally ?	[19:01]
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ben_vulpes	derpy consumer route? it's possible but...not likely.	[19:01]
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ben_vulpes	log as well which is kinda odd	[19:02]
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mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes what's dig say ?	[19:02]
ben_vulpes	http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=betczLmN	[19:03]
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mircea_popescu	SERVER: 192.168.0.1 is usually your own router.	[19:04]
ben_vulpes	log unborkt	[19:04]
ben_vulpes	so yes then	[19:04]
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ben_vulpes	der derp derp derp derp	[19:04]
mircea_popescu	lol	[19:04]
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mircea_popescu	i can understand caching an answer. but caching a nonanswer ? who the fuck is the bright excel spreadsheet that came up with that idea.	[19:05]
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ben_vulpes	excel based routing tables	[19:06]
bounce	randomly clicking http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:21st-century_American_male_actors yields http://www.danamboyer.com/ who thus benefits from his surname starting with an a	[19:06]
assbot	Category:21st-century American male actors - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[19:06]
ben_vulpes	what could go wrong	[19:06]
assbot	dan amboyer - home	[19:06]
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mircea_popescu	bounce google came up with the fucktarded idea of basically replacing their algorithm with a by-hand list (yeah, just at the top, which is like saying "just where it matters"). as a result, all sorts of shitholes like facebook, wikipedia etc are basically google spam repositories.	[19:09]
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wywialm	i will buy put options on usd, eur, possibly unescrowed, short or mid-term	[19:09]
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mircea_popescu	!s put options	[19:10]
assbot	80 results for 'put options' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=put+options	[19:10]
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wywialm	not much relevant content, unfortunately	[19:13]
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wywialm	mircea_popescu, you don't trade options now, do you?	[19:14]
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mircea_popescu	wyrdmantis i just meant it for los_pantalones observation that yu can't afford buying put options	[19:14]
mircea_popescu	which somehow isn't in there it seems.	[19:14]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2014#834057 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2014#834220 etc.	[19:16]
assbot	Logged on 18-09-2014 18:12:54; los_pantalones: long puts, no matter the market	[19:16]
assbot	Logged on 18-09-2014 19:46:44; los_pantalones: what did i say earlier about long puts?	[19:16]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2600 @ 0.00073449 = 1.9097 BTC [-]	[19:16]
wywialm	didn't he mean btc puts? i look for usd or eur btc-denominated puts	[19:17]
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mircea_popescu	so put on btc paid in eur say ?	[19:18]
kakobrekla	ben_vulpes you can run your own instance of logs if you want.	[19:18]
wywialm	put on eur paid in btc delivered in eur	[19:19]
wywialm	aka put on x.eur but without having to register on paymium	[19:19]
wywialm	s/aka/a la/	[19:19]
mike_c	wywialm: isn't that bit4x.com?	[19:20]
kakobrekla	or anyone else who is trustworthy.	[19:20]
wywialm	i'll see the bit4x.com. kakobrekla: i'm precisely in the process of looking for such trustworthy person :)	[19:21]
kakobrekla	uh? i was talking about logs.	[19:21]
mircea_popescu	im completely confused now. isn't bit4x usd/eur pair ?!	[19:21]
mike_c	wait, nvmd. i think i misunderstood you.	[19:21]
kakobrekla	bit4x is many pairs none of which are btc.	[19:21]
mike_c	his put on this denominated in that delivered by bananas twisted my brain for a second.	[19:22]
wywialm	and bit4x.com trades options? i cannot find any reference to that	[19:22]
kakobrekla	nope, not options.	[19:22]
mike_c	no, forget bit4x.	[19:22]
kakobrekla	its a scam anyway.	[19:22]
mike_c	and the customer service!	[19:22]
kakobrekla	the worst part!	[19:22]
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wywialm	mike_c, it's actually simpler than options on btc/usd rate. if you properly treat btc as the center of this financial universe, the usd and eur are foreign assets and they should be deliverd	[19:23]
mircea_popescu	what do california, subsaharan africa and the poorest parts of india have in common ?	[19:23]
mircea_popescu	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/Grafik_pest.png	[19:23]
mike_c	;;gettrust wywialm davout	[19:24]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user wywialm to user davout: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=wywialm&dest=davout \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=davout \| Rated since: Thu Jan 27 16:22:24 2011	[19:24]
mike_c	why are you trying to avoid paymium?	[19:24]
mircea_popescu	wywialm anyway, talk to los_pantalones, he might write something but i doubt you'll want the premium.	[19:24]
ben_vulpes	kakobrekla: interdasting notion, but i'm taking like 3 things into production over the next month and can't handle the overhead.	[19:24]
wywialm	i'm not trying to avoid it, i simply would like to have it simple	[19:24]
mircea_popescu	wywialm but if you're taking that foreign asset delivery, you will need a method. bag of cash ? or what's your idea of simple ?	[19:25]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: bring out yer dead!	[19:25]
kakobrekla	ben_vulpes no pressure.	[19:25]
asciilifeform	!s plague	[19:25]
assbot	69 results for 'plague' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=plague	[19:25]
wywialm	wire/sepa is not that bad	[19:25]
kakobrekla	but im not dead yet!	[19:25]
ben_vulpes	kakobrekla: are you trying to get it off of your plate?	[19:26]
wywialm	paymium is a layer on top of it	[19:26]
asciilifeform	http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg17223184.000-did-bubonic-plague-really-cause-the-black-death.html << linked this a few days ago	[19:26]
assbot	Did bubonic plague really cause the Black Death? - health - 24 November 2001 - New Scientist	[19:26]
mircea_popescu	wywialm yeah but wanting someone to make a custom thing for you rather than just using something already in place takes you from a few btcs to a few thousand btcs volume you know.	[19:26]
asciilifeform	(and yes, knew about the crackpot hypotheses before reading that; but good overview)	[19:26]
wywialm	ok, i could be convinced to buy puts on x.eur	[19:26]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform is this the school arguingit was really ebola ?	[19:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5510 @ 0.00073705 = 4.0611 BTC [+]	[19:27]
kakobrekla	ben_vulpes since everyone is eating i dont see why we should limit ourselfs to one plate :)	[19:27]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: ebola-esque haemorrhagic fever, yeah	[19:27]
asciilifeform	not necessarily modern ebola	[19:27]
*	mircea_popescu is unconvinced.	[19:27]
los_pantalones	wywialm how long dated a put are you looking for ?	[19:27]
wywialm	i'm merely trying to explore possibilities	[19:27]
mircea_popescu	it was clearly bacterial.	[19:27]
los_pantalones	and where would you want to trade them ?	[19:27]
asciilifeform	clearly?	[19:27]
mircea_popescu	clearly.	[19:27]
wywialm	30-60 days	[19:27]
los_pantalones	strike ?	[19:28]
los_pantalones	in USD	[19:28]
wywialm	400	[19:28]
los_pantalones	$60/$80	[19:29]
asciilifeform	unrelated - is the standard unix 'patch' util braindamaged, or am i? specifically, the ludicrously elephantine output when deleting files	[19:29]
los_pantalones	for a 45 day put	[19:29]
mircea_popescu	los_pantalones interesting quoting, and he can pick whether he wants 60 or 80 ? :D	[19:30]
mircea_popescu	or is it by volume or what.	[19:30]
los_pantalones	haha	[19:30]
los_pantalones	he can sell me $60's or buy $80's	[19:30]
mircea_popescu	o the spread. ic.	[19:30]
los_pantalones	yeah, kinda wide, i could tighten if he shows some int	[19:31]
los_pantalones	and where he wants to clear	[19:31]
mircea_popescu	no, actually, it's pretty narrow.	[19:31]
mircea_popescu	all things considered.	[19:31]
los_pantalones	alright, ty for the stamp of approval	[19:31]
wywialm	i'd suppose 30% spread is pretty wide :)	[19:32]
mircea_popescu	american put @400, 45 days out i'd almost buy at 80.	[19:32]
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los_pantalones	wywialm any int?	[19:33]
mircea_popescu	if only there was some sort of spot that wasn't a total fucking joke.	[19:33]
wywialm	but it's confusing to quote puts on usd in usd. you mean that usd will be delivered if 400 or higher?	[19:34]
wywialm	thats why i tried to spell it in btc	[19:34]
mircea_popescu	wywialm if you want to be delivered fiat, wtf would you quote it in o.O	[19:35]
wywialm	mircea_popescu, if you bought options on S.MPOE would you quote it in terms of S.MPOE or btc?	[19:35]
BingoBoingo	ben_vulpes: I'm not old enought to have originals to make an authoritative checksum. ATM Nakamoto Institute is probably your best bet	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	wywialm i thought you said you want to be paid in fiat.	[19:36]
wywialm	nonono, i would like to pay btc for an option of fiat delivery, excuse me being not clear enough	[19:37]
mircea_popescu	so i guess you can pay the 80 in btc at whatever current prevailing rate.	[19:37]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: best i turned up is: bitcoin-0.3.21-linux.tar.gz (leeched jun 2 2011) - sha256: 7e49fd93e9db98d57df31b789eb3cc46e94854958c86961514ff5cb1c7264071	[19:38]
BingoBoingo	Thx	[19:39]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: could've sworn i had others, but no dice, must've actually cleaned disk at one point	[19:39]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: back when i gave even less of a damn	[19:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00073728 = 13.0499 BTC [+] {2}	[19:40]
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mircea_popescu	well that's interesting, https://codeload.github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/legacy.tar.gz/v0.3.21 spits out a turd that's sha256: 8c62d735a13d89c25c35996c828bcee96aa6e00adcffd294c494ae8d8b5924bb	[19:43]
asciilifeform	size?	[19:44]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform diff the two wouldja ? maybe there's a qntra story in here	[19:44]
kakobrekla	diff?	[19:44]
asciilifeform	1sec	[19:44]
mircea_popescu	383958 bytes	[19:44]
wywialm	los_pantalones, could you deliver by sepa?	[19:45]
wywialm	or is it cash-only?	[19:45]
wywialm	i.e. btc-only?	[19:45]
asciilifeform	aha mine had bins	[19:46]
asciilifeform	as well as src	[19:46]
asciilifeform	why? hell knows	[19:46]
mircea_popescu	ah that's wtf it is	[19:46]
asciilifeform	source - identical.	[19:47]
asciilifeform	no story.	[19:47]
los_pantalones	wywialm i could clear on atlas, would be pretty easy way to do this	[19:48]
los_pantalones	they have a 12/31 expiry option, would fit your time frame pretty well	[19:49]
los_pantalones	but i'm not sure it's the contract you want	[19:49]
wywialm	let me have a look at it	[19:50]
mircea_popescu	methinks he wouldn't be on atlas.	[19:51]
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TheNewDeal	Im also interested in supplying if you cant find something that works	[19:52]
mircea_popescu	i had nfi they do anything besides grains anyway	[19:52]
los_pantalones	https://atlasats.com/	[19:52]
assbot	Atlas ATS	[19:52]
mircea_popescu	oh not cme's atlasmarkets.com ?	[19:53]
los_pantalones	no, not that one	[19:53]
los_pantalones	these guys in nyc, i see them all the time	[19:53]
mircea_popescu	a nm then	[19:53]
mircea_popescu	im too old school for school o.o	[19:53]
wywialm	i can't see any reference to options or futures there	[19:54]
los_pantalones	no futs, options	[19:54]
los_pantalones	seems you are right re: no info though	[19:54]
los_pantalones	let me see if i can find a link for you	[19:55]
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mircea_popescu	!up Mikayla	[19:55]
-assbot-	You voiced Mikayla for 30 minutes.	[19:55]
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kakobrekla	!up Mikayla	[19:57]
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kakobrekla	!up Mikayla	[19:57]
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wywialm	TheNewDeal, you mean options?	[19:58]
TheNewDeal	Yaya	[19:58]
TheNewDeal	Sell call. Ya	[19:58]
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Mikayla	Was told by a friend to come here?	[20:00]
HeySteve	hello	[20:00]
HeySteve	yeah, it was me Mikayla	[20:00]
TheNewDeal	Cash only preferred, but may bend if its a well structured deal	[20:00]
HeySteve	Mikayla was curious about bits for tits	[20:00]
Mikayla	lol...	[20:01]
wywialm	ok, then. for start i would buy put option, delivering 100$ unescrowed, as a sort of unit test, at 0.25 btc per 100$ strike, i offer 0.03 btc, matures in 21 days. is it ok, los_pantalones or TheNewDeal?	[20:01]
midnightmagic	Mikayla mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mixdio_	[20:02]
mircea_popescu	Mikayla http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/	[20:02]
assbot	I’ll pay for your tits pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[20:02]
los_pantalones	first glance, too small for my interests but i'll look at the terms a bit more	[20:03]
TheNewDeal	Can you explain that in a different way please	[20:03]
los_pantalones	can you explain a little more why you want to do this way ?	[20:03]
TheNewDeal	Strike price $400, quantity .25 , fee .03?	[20:04]
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wywialm	TheNewDeal yes	[20:04]
TheNewDeal	Expiry date is?	[20:05]
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wywialm	i'd like to test if it is feasible have fiat delivered - that's why the form, i have not yet traded options on WoT that's why so small	[20:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19550 @ 0.00074018 = 14.4705 BTC [+] {2}	[20:05]
TheNewDeal	Definitely not doing a fiat delivery at that price	[20:06]
TheNewDeal	Charge would be more than the fee	[20:06]
TheNewDeal	Will do btc delivery	[20:06]
wywialm	SEPA is free of charge	[20:07]
TheNewDeal	Thats a bold claim	[20:08]
mircea_popescu	what's a wire these days, like 50 plus whatever admin costs on one's side ?	[20:08]
wywialm	ok, at least most banks offer sepa free of charge in poland, i might be generalizing	[20:09]
TheNewDeal	Definitely not in n polland	[20:09]
wywialm	oh, seems that i'm generalizing too much now	[20:10]
los_pantalones	https://atlasats.com/optionsguide	[20:10]
assbot	Atlas ATS	[20:10]
mircea_popescu	wywialm you gotta appreciate business people keep chicks around a special room for the sole purpose of sending out mail and keeping track of mail and taking the cock. and they are paid a salary, and that's then taxed.	[20:10]
mircea_popescu	make your unit test 10k not 100.	[20:10]
*	asciilifeform looks in here and it's... actually on topic! bitcoin, assets. rich folks playing mathematical games.	[20:11]
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wywialm	:)	[20:11]
Mikayla	ok what do I do? :)	[20:11]
mircea_popescu	Mikayla as per a, link to your previous work, then i'll give you a string you can take your pic.	[20:12]
Mikayla	previous work?	[20:12]
Mikayla	like dcc a pic?	[20:12]
mircea_popescu	"Has previously posted nudie selfshots on the web. You will be required to prove this by supplying a link.".	[20:12]
HeySteve	here is Mikayla: https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/v/t1.0-9/1362_45056770867_1473_n.jpg?oh=c1f57205c00094451d0b653ae69bb0b3&oe=54B30676&__gda__=1420689177_7164727e301038dce99c41246bde41f8	[20:12]
Mikayla	I don't have nude shots on the web?	[20:13]
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mircea_popescu	this'd be your first time ?!	[20:13]
Mikayla	well I have a picture with black tape on my nipples?	[20:13]
mircea_popescu	yeah, well, that won't work.	[20:13]
mircea_popescu	gotta go bare.	[20:14]
Mikayla	well I will take a picture :)	[20:14]
Mikayla	I have done nude once, but it isn't online	[20:14]
Mikayla	it's in an art gallery	[20:14]
Mikayla	if it's even still there	[20:14]
mircea_popescu	Mikayla alrighty. one second	[20:14]
Mikayla	also you won't be able to tell it is me - slow shutter speed - "ghost shots"	[20:14]
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wywialm	ok, TheNewDeal, what would be your price? would you deliver SEPA? let's say 100 EUR, strike 0.32 per 100 EUR, premium 0.04 btc?	[20:15]
mircea_popescu	write 0bc8870d, take a pic, post link.	[20:15]
Mikayla	where do I link it to?	[20:15]
mircea_popescu	you post the link here, it'll go in the article.	[20:15]
asciilifeform	lol, mircea_popescu is doing his whole pubkey ?	[20:16]
mircea_popescu	Mikayla and we gotta be able to tell it's you, that's the whole idea.	[20:16]
Mikayla	Please explain it basically. I only know how to dcc	[20:16]
Mikayla	unless there is a place where I can link such a photo to	[20:16]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform sha256sum "mikayla"	[20:16]
Mikayla	never done it before :P	[20:16]
asciilifeform	aha	[20:16]
mircea_popescu	Mikayla i guess you can email me the pic then.	[20:16]
HeySteve	there is Mikayla, picpaste or imgur work fine	[20:16]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/office.jpg	[20:16]
Mikayla	HeySteve link?	[20:16]
HeySteve	well, you'll need a Bitcoin wallet too... you kinda jumped ahead	[20:17]
Mikayla	LOL	[20:17]
mircea_popescu	she's that eager huh ? nice trait :)	[20:17]
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mircea_popescu	anyway, i got lunch now. wil be back in a coupla hours.	[20:19]
wywialm	los_pantalones TheNewDeal if physical delivery is too much fuss then btc settlement is ok	[20:19]
TheNewDeal	Definitely not delivering for a contract of maximum 100	[20:20]
TheNewDeal	Add a zero or two and ide consider	[20:20]
wywialm	cash settlement?	[20:21]
wywialm	i.e. btc settlement?	[20:21]
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thestringpuller	https://bitcomsec.true.io/bitcomsec/tracking-a-bitcoin-thief-cryptorush-hack/	[20:25]
TheNewDeal	Yes, but give me the contract terms	[20:25]
TheNewDeal	Strike price, quantity, premium, expiry date	[20:26]
thestringpuller	^- you trading options?	[20:27]
TheNewDeal	Considering it	[20:28]
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wywialm	strike 0.0025 usd/btc, quantity 100 usd, 0.03 btc premium, 14.11 expires, put option.	[20:28]
TheNewDeal	Its not a put	[20:28]
BingoBoingo	!up Mikayla	[20:29]
wywialm	am i missing something?	[20:29]
TheNewDeal	If i sell you the opportunity to purchase btc at 400, im selling a call	[20:29]
TheNewDeal	You are purchasing it	[20:29]
TheNewDeal	Clear?	[20:30]
los_pantalones	i agree w/ that	[20:31]
wywialm	yeah, of course you are right, i should "deliver" (btc settlement) the quantity in case of put	[20:31]
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los_pantalones	such tortured language	[20:32]
los_pantalones	can we take a quick step back	[20:32]
los_pantalones	what are you trying to do? what's the purpose of the option?	[20:32]
los_pantalones	what are you protecting ?	[20:33]
TheNewDeal	Just read what i said	[20:33]
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mike_c	deliver in bananas, it's easier.	[20:34]
TheNewDeal	Were going to flip the terminology	[20:34]
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BingoBoingo	!up Mikayla	[20:35]
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Mikayla	http://picpaste.com/webcam-toy-photo10-rU1NwxNF.jpg	[20:36]
assbot	PicPaste - webcam-toy-photo10-rU1NwxNF.jpg	[20:36]
wywialm	los_pantalones, let's say i'm protecting a hypotetical receipt of fiat	[20:36]
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TheNewDeal	Strike 400 usd/btc (shitstamp) , quantity .25 btc, expiry nov 14, fee 0.055 btc	[20:37]
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The20YearIRCloud	BingoBoingo: don't bash our Ohio mudhuts. They're 10x nicer than what Europeans call 'homes'	[20:39]
asciilifeform	The20YearIRCloud: main problem with these huts is that the only industry for the occupants to work in is meth production.	[20:39]
thestringpuller	The20YearIRCloud: you're from Ohio?	[20:40]
thestringpuller	North or South?	[20:40]
The20YearIRCloud	Columbus area	[20:40]
wywialm	TheNewDeal, much too expensive, los_pantalones offered the same for 45 days not 22	[20:41]
thestringpuller	Ah. My mom grew up in Cleveland and Canton.	[20:41]
thestringpuller	Cleveland is slowly turning into Detroit.	[20:41]
The20YearIRCloud	It's been pretty close to there for a while. Cleveland is extraordinarily poorly managed	[20:42]
thestringpuller	I blame Ford Motors.	[20:42]
los_pantalones	haha, and we've come full circle	[20:42]
The20YearIRCloud	But not as bad as detroit, and Ohio has a pretty great senate/house that keeps the rest of the state from turning into a cesspool.	[20:42]
los_pantalones	options on btc are damned expensive	[20:42]
los_pantalones	hahaha	[20:42]
los_pantalones	tyvm	[20:42]
The20YearIRCloud	Akron/Canton is run by the mob	[20:42]
HeySteve	hey The20YearIRCloud, get any further with black soldier fly?	[20:42]
The20YearIRCloud	HeySteve: I really want to do it if/when I get property in the country	[20:43]
asciilifeform	http://www.superconductors.org/28c_rtsc.htm << whatever happened to this?	[20:45]
HeySteve	k I am running a trial at the moment, fish eating it	[20:45]
HeySteve	if I can eliminate feed costs this way, should help aquaculture business a lot	[20:46]
asciilifeform	http://cryptome.org/2014/10/BTAgent-cpe-backdoor.htm	[20:49]
wywialm	los_pantalones, TheNewDeal thanks anyway for your offers	[20:49]
TheNewDeal	Ill think about a little longer	[20:50]
TheNewDeal	Im at work now	[20:50]
asciilifeform	'...This ELA technique is used to visually detect any conflicting compression levels in an "photo"; indicating composite fakery in an image... On 19 June 2014, in relation to discoveries published on my media fakery blog, my home in Shropshire was raided by six police/intelligence officers; only two of whom identified themselves. An undocumented quantity of electronics equipment, including modems, computers, me	[20:50]
asciilifeform	dia storage devices, and paperwork was seized. The actual grounds for my arrest was cited as "harassment". This concerned a suspected fake news story that had been exposed on my blog.'	[20:50]
asciilifeform	'During the police interview -- both in the "informal chat" before the official interview itself, and during that formal tape-recording grilling -- I was probed by detectives on topics quite unrelated to my arrest. In wholly irrelevant circumstances, I was grilled over my role in "unlocking" these CPE, and in my motives for doing so. Not in any way relevant to the accusations filed against me. In interview, I b	[20:52]
asciilifeform	rushed aside the serious espionage implications of having backdoors in CPE; believing that -- for whatever reason -- everyone has a right to choose what software is running on electronic equipment installed in their own home or office. Nevertheless, I am expected to appear in court in a couple of weeks...'	[20:52]
thestringpuller	http://qntra.net/2014/10/cryptsy-and-shavers-sued-by-victims/	[20:52]
The20YearIRCloud	asciilifeform: why has nothing more been said about that superconductor?	[20:52]
asciilifeform	CPE being 'customer premise equipment' - the modem orifices in question	[20:52]
asciilifeform	The20YearIRCloud: that was my question to the rest of you	[20:52]
TheNewDeal	Wywialm you were actually interested in buying a put i see. I had it backwards	[20:52]
wywialm	but i too got it confused	[20:53]
TheNewDeal	wywialm ^	[20:53]
TheNewDeal	Are you sure?	[20:53]
wywialm	yes, i was incorrectly asking you to deliver through sepa while having in mind asking you to accept sepa delivery	[20:54]
TheNewDeal	Mp , how did you settle your usd options in btc only	[20:55]
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wywialm	i might ask in name of mp, if i'm wrong he certainly will correct me - the options were on btcusd exchange rate and thus delivered 1 btc.	[20:56]
HeySteve	mircea_popescu, Mikayla will be back tomorrow after I've explained process further	[20:56]
wywialm	s/ask/answer/	[20:56]
TheNewDeal	Would it just be the differnce of (actual - strike) convertes into btc at current rate?	[20:56]
TheNewDeal	wywialm explain how delivery (btc only) would occur in your mind	[20:57]
wywialm	TheNewDeal, it would be the case if the options were on usd (that is approximately what i have in mind).	[20:58]
thestringpuller	TheNewDeal: ( strike - market price ) / market price	[20:58]
thestringpuller	or the opposite depending on call/put	[20:58]
thestringpuller	the above is all in USD	[20:58]
TheNewDeal	Yah opp for call	[20:58]
thestringpuller	when you divide it all out you get BTC denomination	[20:59]
wywialm	now usd is approx. 0.002788 btc per 1 usd, if strike for put is 0.0025 then if usd is lower than that you pay me (usdbtc_rate - 0.0025) x notional_quantity, am i right?	[21:00]
TheNewDeal	wywialm let's talk more about a december 1 delivery	[21:00]
TheNewDeal	Please for gods sake quote it in btc/usd	[21:00]
wywialm	sure	[21:00]
wywialm	i just thought it might be a good idea to quote it as x.eur is quoted	[21:01]
los_pantalones	no	[21:01]
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wywialm	los_pantalones, of course, 0.0025 - usdbtc_rate	[21:02]
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TheNewDeal	If i were to write a call for a stock option. It would be quoted in stock/usd not the other way around	[21:04]
wywialm	well it is common to refer to premiums as % of underlying	[21:05]
wywialm	but they are quoted either in dollar terms or implied vol	[21:05]
TheNewDeal	Ive never seen that, but ive really only looked on finance.yahoo	[21:07]
TheNewDeal	Everything was priced in usd, all contracts covered 100 of underlying	[21:07]
los_pantalones	in markets that don't move 7.5% overnight	[21:07]
los_pantalones	yeah, worrying about the width as a % of the underlying is not a bad way to look at things	[21:07]
TheNewDeal	wywialm would you consider a dec 1 expiry?	[21:08]
wywialm	yes, i would - as i said i would even consider 60 days, but then it wouldn't be much of unit testing	[21:09]
wywialm	re: quoting. i imagined that if usd is the currency at, say, CBOE, and they quote options in usd, and here the currency is btc, we should quote options on eur or usd in btc and in usdbtc exchange rate :)	[21:11]
wywialm	we will perhaps return to that later	[21:12]
wywialm	now i have to go.	[21:13]
TheNewDeal	Ill be on later too	[21:13]
wywialm	bye	[21:13]
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thestringpuller	just do it how MP did it	[21:15]
TheNewDeal	No shit, aye?	[21:20]
TheNewDeal	Just wanted to make sure I remembered how he did it	[21:21]
thestringpuller	that was more at wywialm	[21:23]
TheNewDeal	Gotcha.	[21:27]
TheNewDeal	Im just getting excited thinking about options	[21:28]
thestringpuller	good way to lose a lot of money	[21:28]
TheNewDeal	Agreed, but .25 btc underlying is tiny	[21:32]
thestringpuller	lol	[21:32]
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TheNewDeal	Good chance for me to get some rep	[21:33]
TheNewDeal	Ide consider going up to 10, for the right price	[21:34]
TheNewDeal	And a strike that wasnt 10 % out of tge monay	[21:34]
thestringpuller	jesus	[21:35]
thestringpuller	lol	[21:35]
thestringpuller	i don't fuck /w options no more	[21:35]
TheNewDeal	Theyre exremely useful for cash delivery	[21:37]
TheNewDeal	Problem with btc options is the convexity	[21:40]
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TheNewDeal	Price jumps or drops by a factor of 10, everything gets fucked	[21:41]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu, jurov, ben_vulpes, decimation, (who else?) --- is there a reason to keep the json rpc apparatus in bitcoind ? imho all of its functions can be carried out by crafted command line arguments and parsing stdout...	[21:42]
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ben_vulpes	at some point calling bitcoind cli args started talking to the json rpc api	[21:43]
ben_vulpes	with*	[21:43]
ben_vulpes	i don't know precisely when that was.	[21:43]
asciilifeform	am i the only one who wants that thing gone?	[21:43]
ben_vulpes	hardly.	[21:43]
ben_vulpes	ripping out is a grand idea.	[21:43]
asciilifeform	it's a hearnia.	[21:43]
jurov	asciilifeform: how do you want to communicate with the daemon?	[21:44]
jurov	signals?	[21:44]
asciilifeform	jurov: argv	[21:44]
mike_c	argv isn't the best cross-process communication strategy.	[21:44]
jurov	it§s running x days, you want to get getinfo()	[21:45]
jurov	how?	[21:45]
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asciilifeform	aha	[21:45]
asciilifeform	there - signals	[21:45]
asciilifeform	but this is beginning to sound like actual work	[21:45]
ben_vulpes	arbeit macht frei	[21:48]
asciilifeform	nah, the good kind of work. the kind for which arbeit macht frei leaves precious little time.	[21:49]
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ben_vulpes	as much as i'd like it gone, i'd also like something in the wild before the stoolies attempt to fork.	[21:50]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: so far i got qt and ssl snipped. mega-triumph! lol	[21:50]
ben_vulpes	bubbles for stan!	[21:51]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: this has exactly zero effect on the build - no sane person builds with those flags anyway	[21:51]
asciilifeform	but - less turd to read.	[21:51]
ben_vulpes	what else do you want to do to the thing?	[21:52]
jurov	yup. i am in, only it will take few days till i'll do the gpg-only mailman and assure myself it can go online	[21:52]
asciilifeform	what i personally would like is: the smallest subset of the satoshi turdball that will still operate on the network in the customary way.	[21:52]
BingoBoingo	!up Mikayla	[21:52]
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asciilifeform	everything after that - is luxury.	[21:52]
Mikayla	hello :)	[21:52]
asciilifeform	but this - is essential.	[21:52]
ben_vulpes	rpc removal is essential?	[21:52]
ben_vulpes	* is rpc removal essential?	[21:53]
asciilifeform	so far, only those removals which do not require something built in their stead.	[21:53]
jurov	if you snip off the blockchain so that it just relates transactions, then most of the complexity goes away	[21:53]
jurov	but not sure this is useful	[21:53]
ben_vulpes	lol notrly no	[21:53]
asciilifeform	jurov: doesn't operate in expected way, no, then	[21:54]
ben_vulpes	well asciilifeform if you're willing to perform the surgery do it. otherwise, it'll have to wait right?	[21:55]
asciilifeform	first the basic delousing.	[21:55]
asciilifeform	surgery - after.	[21:56]
ben_vulpes	sounds like a decision to me	[21:56]
asciilifeform	the ms vc liquishit is to be burned as well.	[21:56]
asciilifeform	there is no reason ever to use it - for anything	[21:56]
asciilifeform	even virii can be built with mingw, with superior result in every and all cases.	[21:57]
ben_vulpes	why even bother with windows?	[21:58]
asciilifeform	i've no idea!	[21:58]
asciilifeform	one of you weirdos wanted the thing buildable under it	[21:59]
asciilifeform	forget who	[21:59]
ben_vulpes	BingoBoingo if memory serves	[21:59]
ben_vulpes	he wants it to build on mac s/e as well	[21:59]
BingoBoingo	ben_vulpes: Nah	[21:59]
ben_vulpes	ah well.	[22:01]
ben_vulpes	my mistake.	[22:01]
ben_vulpes	anyways. is bitcoin not here to also end m$?	[22:02]
asciilifeform	so can we zap the win32 crap?	[22:04]
mike_c	no	[22:04]
ben_vulpes	why not?	[22:04]
asciilifeform	what do we need it for ?	[22:04]
asciilifeform	bundling bitcoind in malware?	[22:04]
mike_c	because what is the average windows bitcoin user supposed to use now? the foundation binary?	[22:04]
ben_vulpes	the average windows user shuts the fuck up and uses unix.	[22:04]
ben_vulpes	gets the fuck out of bitcoin.	[22:04]
thestringpuller	sounds liek something larry page would say	[22:05]
thestringpuller	oh wait he did	[22:05]
mike_c	mhm. perhaps the average windows user gets the fuck out of b-a, but kicking them out of bitcoin seems a bit much.	[22:05]
jurov	we already decided to nix qt, so no avg windows user	[22:05]
jurov	i don't get this discussion	[22:05]
ben_vulpes	if qt's nixed, the average user's nixed as well.	[22:06]
ben_vulpes	this is a tool for people who use tools, not consumers.	[22:06]
mike_c	avg user can run armory on top of b-a bitcoind.	[22:06]
mike_c	maybe	[22:06]
ben_vulpes	avg user should throw down 200 dollars for a netbook and fucking run unix.	[22:06]
thestringpuller	they could always use multibit!	[22:06]
thestringpuller	XD	[22:06]
thestringpuller	or electrum et. al	[22:06]
thestringpuller	or bitcoinj	[22:07]
mod6	someone could make a worthy ui to interact with the baseline b-a bitcoind. then qt is out of core, and lives in someother project.	[22:07]
BingoBoingo	or cygwin	[22:07]
jurov	mod6 qt is neeeded only for wallet management	[22:08]
asciilifeform	thing is	[22:08]
ben_vulpes	win32 stuff isn't necessary to run the thing under cygwin, correct?	[22:08]
asciilifeform	anyone is free to grab this thing	[22:08]
jurov	if this is split off, qt is not needed	[22:08]
asciilifeform	and bolt on whatever	[22:08]
asciilifeform	but there is no reason for that crap to be part of the Koraktor	[22:08]
asciilifeform	(evil magic book)	[22:09]
mike_c	i am struggling to defend my position.	[22:09]
mike_c	perhaps there is no use case.	[22:09]
mike_c	the only thing i use bitcoin on windows for is watching wallets.	[22:10]
mike_c	what about that case?	[22:10]
mats_cd03	bitcoind on windows could live in qemu or whatever	[22:10]
Mikayla	not worried about trusting windows too much?	[22:11]
asciilifeform	once again - anyone who wants to run on winblows, or VAX, or Elektronika BK0010 - can add whatever kludges he needs to	[22:11]
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asciilifeform	and it'll be between him and his gods	[22:11]
Mikayla	wouldn't linux be safer?	[22:12]
ben_vulpes	mike_c: watch wallets on blockchain.info	[22:12]
ben_vulpes	and watch addrs, not wallets.	[22:12]
mats_cd03	safety is relative.	[22:12]
ben_vulpes	mats_cd03: also illusory and elusive	[22:12]
Mikayla	Just takes one man, or a group, to excell in hacking and to pick you as a target	[22:13]
mike_c	how would you watch a wallet on blockchain?	[22:14]
jurov	mike_c i just pulled all the addresses from the wallets and imported them (into electrum)	[22:15]
jurov	*privkeys	[22:15]
jurov	and electrum can do the watching without privkeys, too	[22:15]
ben_vulpes	^	[22:15]
asciilifeform	i'll leave mingw in for now	[22:15]
asciilifeform	but the vs crap is gone.	[22:16]
asciilifeform	there is no reason for it, ever	[22:16]
jurov	it's about a year in production, no complaint from coinr users	[22:16]
mike_c	hm. i wonder if this would be a useful web service. upload your electrum/armory public key and it will watch your wallet.	[22:18]
asciilifeform	will it brush your teeth, too?	[22:19]
asciilifeform	and chew your food?	[22:19]
mike_c	anyway, fine, windows support no good.	[22:19]
mats_cd03	what would it do? send you an email when coins move?	[22:19]
mike_c	well, primarily it would provide web access to a watch-only version of your wallet.	[22:20]
mike_c	alerts could be part of it.	[22:20]
mike_c	if it gets hacked.. well, then you should create a new wallet for privacy.	[22:20]
mike_c	i guess. really who cares.	[22:20]
mike_c	premium version will chew your food.	[22:21]
mike_c	but you can brush your own teeth.	[22:21]
mats_cd03	scam.	[22:22]
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mike_c	use case #1: a business could allow public web access to a wallet and interested parties would know it is solvent and where money is going.	[22:22]
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bounce	asciilifeform: by the by, you familiar with "patch -u"? though there's really no shortcut for "delete this file", you still get to see the whole of what is being deleted even if it is the entire file.	[22:23]
asciilifeform	bounce: that is precisely what i was whining about	[22:24]
asciilifeform	bounce: i don't want to see it	[22:24]
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asciilifeform	bounce: the turds clutter the patches. i want the latter - small.	[22:25]
bounce	could argue it's an oversight in patch. for collaboration it's still better to show what's being done than to just say "stuff got deleted" ('yes, but what then?')	[22:26]
asciilifeform	incidentally!	[22:27]
asciilifeform	this is yet another case of compounding failure.	[22:27]
asciilifeform	even the humble unix 'patch' utility - was not designed from birth for keeping the world small, 'fits in head'	[22:28]
asciilifeform	it spews turd.	[22:28]
asciilifeform	!up Mikayla	[22:28]
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asciilifeform	!up Mikayla	[22:28]
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Mikayla	I would like to open a bit wallet but not sure about the links I see online. Any recommendations? Thanks in advance	[22:28]
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jurov	Mikayla: it's best to try them all	[22:31]
Mikayla	the way some of them look I don't know.... lol	[22:31]
TheNewDeal	Usagi will open one for you, just send him a,pm	[22:31]
undata	Mikayla: don't let someone else hold your wallet for you ^	[22:31]
Mikayla	is it best to pick on in your own country?	[22:32]
TheNewDeal	I kid, I kid	[22:32]
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Mikayla	undata I'm not that stupid :) thank you :)	[22:32]
TheNewDeal	No such thing mikayla, its like software	[22:32]
TheNewDeal	I think bitcoin.org explains the differences	[22:33]
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Mikayla	The fact that there are over 100 links makes me nervous	[22:33]
Mikayla	I really don't want to be screwed over	[22:33]
asciilifeform	Mikayla: what exactly do you hope to achieve, personally, by making use of bitcoin ?	[22:33]
asciilifeform	Mikayla: generally noobs do better if they can answer this question in their heads	[22:33]
Mikayla	receive payments	[22:33]
Mikayla	that's all it is for	[22:33]
jurov	https://bitcoin.org/en/choose-your-wallet << not exactly million	[22:34]
assbot	Choose your wallet - Bitcoin	[22:34]
undata	Mikayla: define "own country"	[22:34]
Mikayla	a local website	[22:34]
Mikayla	opening all the links thanks	[22:34]
jurov	Mikayla: bitcoins are not accessed via website	[22:34]
Mikayla	considering any person can make a website I prefer to ask for reputable ones	[22:34]
jurov	you pick safe computer or appliacne	[22:34]
jurov	install wallet software	[22:35]
Mikayla	I appreciate the help for me the noob :)	[22:35]
undata	Mikayla: highest value here would be legitimate, not local	[22:35]
Mikayla	A friend suggested it and had to offline, that's how I ended up here and I'm trying to learn but a lot looks suspect	[22:35]
undata	and ensuring that what you downloaded is what was purported	[22:35]
Mikayla	okay got it. awesome.	[22:35]
undata	surely there's a trilema bootstrapping post	[22:35]
ben_vulpes	this is a pretty funny conversation given the previous conversations about noobs and bitcoin	[22:36]
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jurov	Mikayla how do they looks suspect? can you explain an example?	[22:36]
undata	ben_vulpes: oh hey, btw. I will at some point use a fresh pi and thermal printer to print some paper wallets, then destroy the pi	[22:37]
undata	seem like a plan?	[22:37]
ben_vulpes	thermal printing's durable?	[22:38]
jurov	if you go so far then destroy the printer too	[22:38]
asciilifeform	undata: better destroy the designer of the turd (broadcom)	[22:38]
asciilifeform	undata: or the folks with the master key to the pi rng.	[22:38]
Mikayla	ben_vulpes they show different values	[22:38]
Mikayla	in the same currency	[22:39]
undata	ben_vulpes: that would be a consideration	[22:39]
jurov	asciilifeform: you don't have to use it, by default it is even switched off (raspbian)	[22:39]
asciilifeform	jurov: and what is used in its place ?	[22:39]
jurov	Mikayla: because there is no official exchange rate	[22:39]
undata	the qr code could be transferred to something more durable thereafter, maybe	[22:39]
jurov	asciilifeform: std linux stuff (keyboard or whatnot)	[22:39]
Mikayla	so best I wait for my friend tomorrow?	[22:39]
mircea_popescu	hola!	[22:39]
mircea_popescu	how goes Mikayla ?	[22:40]
undata	asciilifeform: that however would do the idea in for sure.	[22:40]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: we have a patient for you!	[22:40]
mircea_popescu	do tell!	[22:40]
ben_vulpes	undata: live cd/usb, boot regular device in "silent" mode, print stuff.	[22:40]
davout	undata: dice + wordlist, use the pi to transform the passphrase into something you can send coins to	[22:40]
ben_vulpes	http://picpaste.com/webcam-toy-photo10-rU1NwxNF.jpg	[22:40]
assbot	PicPaste - webcam-toy-photo10-rU1NwxNF.jpg	[22:40]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu >> Mikayla <<	[22:40]
mircea_popescu	uh. what is that!	[22:41]
undata	davout: ah ok, that gets around asciilifeform's criticism, correct?	[22:41]
asciilifeform	davout, undata: nope.	[22:41]
asciilifeform	davout, undata: rng is used at other times also.	[22:41]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i am not a big fan of rpc.	[22:42]
asciilifeform	sometimes i despair, and think - what else will you folks agree to play with without learning how it works first.	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	so my vote is an unblocking no.	[22:42]
davout	asciilifeform undata it's the best way to remove any kind of prng from the key-generation process	[22:42]
undata	asciilifeform: less despair, more education	[22:42]
davout	signing is a different story	[22:42]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: see discussion about how at 0.5.3 rpc is sorta glued in, and will take some actual work to rip out	[22:42]
undata	asciilifeform: how best to generate a safe paper wallet?	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	im going through the logs nao	[22:43]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: the shitgnomes glued it in, to learn how, read source	[22:43]
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asciilifeform	undata: safe from what	[22:43]
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undata	asciilifeform: anything of which you think I should be wary.	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	!up tpt_toolbox	[22:44]
-assbot-	You voiced tpt_toolbox for 30 minutes.	[22:44]
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jurov	btw this is actually good food for thought - is there a process one can cryptograpically safely on paper generate public key (btc address) from private key?	[22:46]
mod6	Ok, so this is what we came up with for a Bitcoin Foundation charter: http://dpaste.com/0A9NGC9	[22:46]
assbot	dpaste: 0A9NGC9	[22:46]
asciilifeform	jurov: in principle - yes	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2014/10/BTAgent-cpe-backdoor.htm <<< this shit's pretty insane. cazalla i think we want to show some support ?	[22:46]
asciilifeform	jurov: church-turing.	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	jurov yes. but documenting it would be a very good thing to do.	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	anyone wanna write a qntra article titled "how to calculate your own bitcoin address, pen on paper only" ? it'd be a great thing.	[22:47]
Duffer1	i believe reddit beat you to that one	[22:48]
Duffer1	oh nm that was pen n paper mining	[22:48]
jurov	church-turing on pediwiki seems to be something unrelated	[22:48]
mircea_popescu	Duffer1 link beats claim ?	[22:48]
asciilifeform	jurov: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Church-TuringThesis.html	[22:49]
assbot	Church-Turing Thesis -- from Wolfram MathWorld	[22:49]
jurov	i had in mind RSA something.. multiplying 200digit numbers would be tedious but doable	[22:49]
Mikayla	hi mircea_popescu sorry was on a call	[22:49]
jurov	with emphasis on doable	[22:49]
mircea_popescu	not more tedious than 100 multiplications of two digit numbers	[22:49]
undata	maybe a pi image could be built which would help with the "by hand" calculations?	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	Mikayla make a proper pic will you.	[22:50]
asciilifeform	undata: or 'help'	[22:50]
Mikayla	how so?	[22:50]
TheNewDeal	;;Ud pi	[22:51]
jurov	hmmm... and if we can admit 1990s desktop calculator...	[22:51]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pi \| Pi is an irrational number (meaning the digits never end or have a repeating pattern) that is the ratio of the circumference of a circle to its diameter...this ratio is a ...	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	Mikayla do you see the girls in the article ? they are clearly visible in good light. your thing looks is neither.	[22:51]
Mikayla	I wasn't sure about exposing my face and it is night time here :)	[22:51]
TheNewDeal	Street whores article?	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	Mikayla none of the previous girls died of face exposure so far.	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	TheNewDeal that's a different one.	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller: just do it how MP did it <<< wiser words were never spoken :)	[22:53]
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mircea_popescu	TheNewDeal: Problem with btc options is the convexity <<< prolly the largest, right after "no actual spot"	[22:54]
Mikayla	will try. I use energy saving bulbs in my home which isn't very friendly with my webcam	[22:54]
Mikayla	I'm pro earth :)	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	so do it tomorrow in the sun, this place isn't going anywhere.	[22:55]
undata	asciilifeform: help may just be a calculator, no?	[22:55]
asciilifeform	mod6: why we need the charter thing, again ?	[22:55]
Mikayla	so I've wasted my time finding better light?	[22:55]
Mikayla	;)	[22:55]
asciilifeform	undata: need calculator, use a pocket calculator.	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform what can it hurt ?	[22:55]
mod6	to outline the foundations mission	[22:55]
ben_vulpes	nobody's going to complain, Mikayla ;)	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	Mikayla show me and ill tell you.	[22:55]
Mikayla	do you want clear quality to as the image?	[22:55]
undata	asciilifeform: yep, as old as possible	[22:55]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: what can it hurt << cruft	[22:55]
Mikayla	my webcam may be too weak	[22:56]
jurov	to get 1024bits you'll need 400 dice throws. and lesser rsa is vulnerable	[22:56]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform didja read the thing ? it ain't cruft.	[22:56]
Mikayla	lol	[22:56]
*	asciilifeform actually reads	[22:56]
mircea_popescu	jurov http://trilema.com/2012/romanian-dicelist/	[22:56]
assbot	Romanian Dicelist pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[22:56]
mircea_popescu	not 400 no	[22:56]
mircea_popescu	Mikayla all you got is a webcam thingee ?	[22:56]
Mikayla	but I look so good in eerie glow :P	[22:57]
asciilifeform	jurov: usg breaks 1024 without breaking a sweat.	[22:57]
Mikayla	I have an s4 but my fat friends foot stood on it	[22:57]
mircea_popescu	Mikayla you're young, you look good anyway.	[22:57]
Mikayla	so...	[22:57]
mircea_popescu	mike_c: argv isn't the best cross-process communication strategy. <<< this is true. and at least the best debugged anyway.	[22:58]
Mikayla	not winning with this eerie glow	[22:58]
Mikayla	im using my built in webcam	[22:58]
Mikayla	told you I'm new to this :P	[22:58]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: it isn't a cross-process apparatus at all, sadly.	[22:58]
jurov	mircea_popescu: but the problem is, how to compute bitcoin address from it without exposing privkey to electronics	[22:58]
Mikayla	my code will be recycled...	[22:59]
mircea_popescu	Mikayla no, it's yours 4lyf.	[22:59]
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mircea_popescu	jurov not a bad q.	[22:59]
mircea_popescu	!up vicdoc	[22:59]
-assbot-	You voiced vicdoc for 30 minutes.	[22:59]
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mircea_popescu	!up Mikayla	[22:59]
-assbot-	You voiced Mikayla for 30 minutes.	[22:59]
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mircea_popescu	Mikayla where you from anyway ?	[22:59]
asciilifeform	jurov: charles babbage's engine ?	[22:59]
Mikayla	ask no questions tell no lies :)	[23:00]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: so far i got qt and ssl snipped. mega-triumph! lol << weren't you supposed to work for nsa anyway!!1	[23:00]
jurov	sha2-type algo will work fine even with 100 bits from dice, but computation is tedious	[23:00]
midnightmagic	Mikayla mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mixdio_	[23:01]
midnightmagic	Mikayla mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mixdio_	[23:01]
mircea_popescu	Mikayla well somehow i don't think you hacked into a south african ip.	[23:01]
Mikayla	hush :P	[23:01]
thestringpuller	LOL	[23:01]
mircea_popescu	do you know fluffypony ? he's really hawt!	[23:01]
bounce	such hax	[23:01]
Mikayla	maybe i'm a really fat guy?	[23:01]
fluffypony	lol	[23:01]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i'd like this shit done, so six month from now i can get the damned book.	[23:01]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform okok	[23:01]
thestringpuller	Mikayla: your tits prove otherwise?	[23:01]
fluffypony	;;later tell BingoBongo http://i.imgur.com/6g3gDzB.jpg	[23:01]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[23:01]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller i've seen fat guys with really big tits...	[23:02]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony lol good strat.	[23:02]
asciilifeform	http://www.leviathansecurity.com/blog/the-case-of-the-modified-binaries << thanks to diametric	[23:02]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: smooth and hairless like the ones posted?	[23:02]
assbot	The Case of the Modified Binaries \| Leviathan Security Group	[23:02]
asciilifeform	tor exe diddler finally caught in the wild	[23:03]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes: what else do you want to do to the thing? << yeah this question scares me too.	[23:03]
fluffypony	asciilifeform: yeah was an excellet read	[23:03]
fluffypony	*excellent	[23:03]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: also i seem to be the only one here (afaik) with a 100 % working build setup...	[23:04]
mircea_popescu	so the data is in, my .5.x copies from early 2013 do not match the shas of the stuff available for download now, but if you diff the source it does match.	[23:05]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: but i kinda hope that i can put this down for a while after jurov proclaims a mailing list box that works to gpg spec	[23:05]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: and i can drop me turd there	[23:05]
Mikayla	sorry was on a call again	[23:05]
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Mikayla	headed out with a gay friend tonight	[23:05]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: didja get the 'git' crud out?	[23:05]
Mikayla	managed to find an angle without the eerie witch look	[23:05]
mircea_popescu	Mikayla what on call is that ? you videochat or what.	[23:05]
Mikayla	someone called me :)	[23:05]
Mikayla	on my phone :)P	[23:05]
mircea_popescu	:p	[23:05]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform sort-of.	[23:05]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: unpack, deturdulate, and diff -Nur oldturddir newturddir	[23:06]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes: why even bother with windows? << because satoshi was the sort of idjit that ran his workstation on windows.	[23:06]
mircea_popescu	it's sad, but it's true.	[23:06]
ben_vulpes	fml really?	[23:06]
mircea_popescu	yes. really.	[23:06]
ben_vulpes	how do--	[23:06]
ben_vulpes	nevermind.	[23:06]
mircea_popescu	i know. it's like the darkest deepest secret of bitcoin.	[23:07]
ben_vulpes	was he one of those "cryptographers" who run on windows?	[23:07]
asciilifeform	or wanted to pretend to be that sort, yes.	[23:07]
mircea_popescu	he wasn't a crpytographer at all.	[23:07]
ben_vulpes	burn	[23:07]
ben_vulpes	it	[23:07]
ben_vulpes	with	[23:07]
mircea_popescu	not anymore than you're a rocket scientist, at any rate.	[23:07]
ben_vulpes	fire	[23:07]
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ben_vulpes	oh zing	[23:07]
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ben_vulpes	i'm pretty sure i only ever claimed to fuck around with the tools in us 'college'	[23:08]
thestringpuller	goo afternoon pete_dushenski	[23:08]
pete_dushenski	thestringpuller goo pm!	[23:08]
kakobrekla	ben_vulpes just claim the downed pilot story and move on.	[23:08]
pete_dushenski	http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/24/the-greatest-men-arent-necessarily-the-happiest-men/	[23:08]
assbot	The Greatest Men Aren’t Necessarily The Happiest Men \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski	[23:08]
Mikayla	why do I upload again?	[23:08]
Mikayla	need to washing my eye linger off me	[23:08]
Mikayla	haha	[23:08]
mircea_popescu	Mikayla just email.	[23:08]
Mikayla	#nomakeuptoplessselfie	[23:08]
Mikayla	not the other link?	[23:08]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform anyway, washing the code in bleach to get winblowze off is a good idea.	[23:09]
thestringpuller	good*	[23:09]
asciilifeform	i'da done this long ago, if i had any reason to	[23:09]
thestringpuller	pete_dushenski: /window 42	[23:09]
mircea_popescu	Mikayla either way.	[23:09]
thestringpuller	Wow i need to get better at using irssi	[23:09]
asciilifeform	i'd like to plant the tree of 'koraktor' book of src, so when i actually have time to do the deed with it, it's there.	[23:10]
asciilifeform	(substitute name if anyone has name)	[23:10]
davout	mircea_popescu: "because satoshi was the sort of idjit that ran his workstation on windows" <<< did it even matter that much before bitcoin was invented anyway?	[23:10]
TheNewDeal	Satoshi wasnt a cyrptographer?	[23:10]
Mikayla	give meail or link pls	[23:10]
asciilifeform	davout: does washing matter if there is no one to smell ?	[23:10]
asciilifeform	davout: how about shitting in toilet instead of pants?	[23:11]
TheNewDeal	No. The answer is no	[23:11]
davout	asciilifeform: the answer to this question is less obvious than it seems	[23:11]
asciilifeform	davout: who said it was obvious.	[23:11]
Mikayla	on phone to friend agin.	[23:11]
Mikayla	en route to pick me up,	[23:11]
davout	asciilifeform: i said it seemed obvious, not that it was :-)	[23:11]
Mikayla	mircea_popescu link or email addy?	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	davout yes. gpg existed before bitcoin.	[23:12]
kakobrekla	the fuckin noise hole on this chick...	[23:12]
Mikayla	would you be talking about me?	[23:12]
kakobrekla	me? yes.	[23:12]
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mircea_popescu	Mikayla http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/office.jpg	[23:12]
Mikayla	just doing as instructed	[23:12]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: the answer to this question is less obvious than it seems << spoken like a tru frenchman :D	[23:13]
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Mikayla	sent	[23:14]
Mikayla	ciao ciao	[23:14]
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mircea_popescu	mike_c: because what is the average windows bitcoin user supposed to use now? the foundation binary? << the average bitcoin user is welcome to get fucked.	[23:14]
asciilifeform	^^^^^^^	[23:14]
mike_c	yes yes, we agreed.	[23:14]
mircea_popescu	oh, i wanna be in bitcoin but i can't afford a computer lalala.	[23:14]
*	asciilifeform resharpens shears	[23:14]
mircea_popescu	this is like wanting to do options on 100 bux. no such thing.	[23:15]
mike_c	because everyone should come to bitcoin fully formed superuser.	[23:15]
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mircea_popescu	mike_c in so many words, yes.	[23:15]
ben_vulpes	or make mistakes get burned and learn	[23:15]
mircea_popescu	why, SWIFT takes people off the street ?	[23:15]
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asciilifeform	though, fat lot of good, if the n00bs get poetteringed instead...	[23:15]
mike_c	so why did mpoe-pr spend so much time on forums trying to guide noobs?	[23:15]
ben_vulpes	side note: classic python exception-oriented-programming https://github.com/nanotube/supybot-bitcoin-marketmonitor/blob/master/RatingSystem/plugin.py#L40	[23:15]
assbot	supybot-bitcoin-marketmonitor/plugin.py at master nanotube/supybot-bitcoin-marketmonitor GitHub	[23:15]
ben_vulpes	mike_c: why, PR for mpex!	[23:15]
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mats_cd03	http://www.leviathansecurity.com/blog/the-case-of-the-modified-binaries/	[23:15]
assbot	The Case of the Modified Binaries \| Leviathan Security Group	[23:15]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform fuck em, the ycan have their five btc together and do whatever they do with it. it'll be like the 192.x.x.x ip space	[23:15]
mircea_popescu	mike_c 2010 is not 2014.	[23:16]
asciilifeform	mats_cd03: posted a few minutes ago, for some reason nobody commented	[23:16]
mircea_popescu	in 1700 you could be a senator by being a farmer in the us.	[23:16]
mircea_popescu	today, fuck you.	[23:16]
mats_cd03	woops.	[23:16]
mike_c	running a bitcoin wallet is not being in the senate.	[23:16]
mircea_popescu	running a secure one is, yes.	[23:16]
mircea_popescu	running a sorta-secure one is delegating the vote.	[23:17]
asciilifeform	mats_cd03: and yes, that particular circus trick is trivial, and the node operator is quite dumb to be caught so easily. come on, first pillage, then burn. patch exe only after typical usage pattern in captured packet stream! (indicative of luser - 'facebook', etc.)	[23:17]
mircea_popescu	sure, maybe your elected reps won't fuck you over. it's possible.	[23:17]
mike_c	yes, that i agree with. i thought it might be nice to have some wallet software available to the lower tier that doesn't phone home every time you open it and lose your coin everytime SSL gets probed.	[23:17]
mircea_popescu	so then they can download the FREE linux distro of their choice	[23:17]
mike_c	but it's fine, i capitulated.	[23:18]
asciilifeform	mike_c: 'things must be made as simple as possible, but not simpler'	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	o god no, untinkable, lifting buttcheek of couch!!11	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	so user unfriendly, srsly.	[23:18]
asciilifeform	free distro << poettering rubs his hands, cackles.	[23:18]
davout	mircea_popescu: "mike_c 2010 is not 2014." <<< you weren't there in 2010	[23:18]
davout	:p	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	davout yes, but the activity of 2011/2012 is based on the state of the world previous.	[23:19]
mike_c	listen you pack of elitist fucks, bitcoin is for the masses and dogecoin is going back to the moon.	[23:19]
davout	you have a point	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	just like the shit we're talking about here will be a thing in 2015 and then	[23:19]
mats_cd03	remember kids, examine the checksum before install. esp with tor involved.	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	mike_c only thing going to the moon is undata.	[23:19]
bounce	The Moon is Waxing Crescent (1% of Full)	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	and he has to pay a big... i mean long ... i mean thick price for it.	[23:19]
asciilifeform	mats_cd03, mircea_popescu, et. al: here's a little project i've procrastinated for, ~1 year now, that perhaps someone would like to pick up: read gpg pubkeys (from wherever - wot, keyservs, etc) through tor.	[23:20]
asciilifeform	and look for diddlanomalies	[23:20]
mircea_popescu	so that after i do that i can write an article about how tor is insecure ?	[23:20]
asciilifeform	lol	[23:20]
mircea_popescu	:p	[23:20]
asciilifeform	other suggested experiments	[23:20]
mats_cd03	sounds easy. there are only a thousand exit nodes, no?	[23:21]
asciilifeform	set up honeypot, log in (successfully, via various protocols) to it through tor	[23:21]
asciilifeform	and then watch for the unaccounted for login.	[23:21]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform this will only get lamers.	[23:21]
asciilifeform	ultimate project: wall of shame, hosted in neutral country, which displays all easily-parseable login/pw pairs from a few Gb/sec worth of exit node.	[23:22]
mircea_popescu	mod6: someone could make a worthy ui to interact with the baseline b-a bitcoind. then qt is out of core, and lives in someother project. << a good idea, but kinda what armory will end up being	[23:22]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: only lamers << it's a nature preserve for lamers, so far mostly untouched by zoologists.	[23:22]
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mircea_popescu	whether they're aware yet or not.	[23:22]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform neutral country ? what are you, a dyslexig santaist ?	[23:23]
asciilifeform	shorthand for ru	[23:23]
asciilifeform	lol	[23:23]
mircea_popescu	mike_c:the only thing i use bitcoin on windows for is watching wallets. what about that case? >> i dunno, pipe grep ?	[23:23]
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asciilifeform	host on blockchain telegraph, whatever.	[23:24]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform also on the list of surgeries : motherfucker memory management holy shit omfg.	[23:24]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: mempool ?	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	i STILL suspect there's a couple unaccounted leaks in the code	[23:25]
asciilifeform	anybody ever bother to valgrind?	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	nobody that knows how to use valgrind.	[23:26]
asciilifeform	wtf	[23:26]
asciilifeform	srsly ?!!	[23:26]
mircea_popescu	well the power rangers, but i have little faith.	[23:26]
asciilifeform	and here i was, thinking that someone actually gave a damn	[23:26]
mircea_popescu	depends what you mean by "give"	[23:26]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: after this is over, you gotta tell us which soviet calculator you've been using, since '11, for your bitcoin needs.	[23:26]
mircea_popescu	no.	[23:27]
asciilifeform	lelz	[23:27]
asciilifeform	!b 3	[23:27]
assbot	Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3PCG7SV.txt )	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	maybe once it's over in the sense of, we're all drunk in the retirement home.	[23:27]
TheNewDeal	The $900k coin days?	[23:27]
asciilifeform	perhaps one day we meet old woman, and she'll say 'i was a five-output NAND gate in mr p's bitcoin circuit...'	[23:27]
TheNewDeal	!B 1	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	speaking of which, chick was just over, she stripped, and apparently left. now i have a sundress and a bra on my counter.	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	wtf is she and what is she doing there naked.	[23:28]
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TheNewDeal	Hahaha	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	this nand gating ...	[23:29]
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bounce	best irc	[23:29]
asciilifeform	well some fella did write 'i was hitler's valet' or somesuch	[23:30]
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asciilifeform	obligatory:	[23:30]
asciilifeform	;;google when computers were human	[23:30]
gribble	Grier, D.A.: When Computers Were Human (eBook and Paperback).: ; When Computers Were Human: David Alan Grier: 9780691133829 ...: ; The Age of Female Computers - The New Atlantis:	[23:30]
mircea_popescu	mike_c: premium version will chew your food. << you know, i'm not personally that advanced, but having girly crack your pumpkin seeds/pistachio nuts for you is not so bad.	[23:31]
mircea_popescu	chewing food seems more for the very sick.	[23:31]
asciilifeform	people constantly ask for functionality that is quite equivalent to chewing food.	[23:32]
asciilifeform	it confuses me also.	[23:32]
mircea_popescu	TheNewDeal: Usagi will open one for you, just send him a,pm << dudes you gotta stop with this "sarcasm" directed at noobs.	[23:32]
mircea_popescu	sarcasm is generally the lowest form of wit, but when addressed to people who openly admit not having a clue so therefore not being able to catch it it's just irredeemably stupid.	[23:33]
mike_c	confuses? it's quite simple, "chewing food" is relative.	[23:33]
mike_c	but i'm done defending the noobs. i'm not a complete noob anymore, so fuck 'em.	[23:34]
mircea_popescu	lol	[23:34]
mircea_popescu	ok, that sarcasm was pretty good.	[23:34]
mircea_popescu	hater.	[23:34]
davout	lol	[23:34]
mod6	so speaking of n00bs. can we add a link to the log.bitcoin-assets.com page that takes a person to the first day of logs availble?	[23:35]
davout	;;seen pankkake	[23:36]
gribble	pankkake was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 5 days, 6 hours, 52 minutes, and 51 seconds ago: here is 0.000195.	[23:36]
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asciilifeform	thing is, we're not fucking the noob	[23:36]
mike_c	also, kakobrekla, low pri bug report: links_only is busted on logs.	[23:36]
mircea_popescu	mod6 it does that if you use the calendar.	[23:36]
asciilifeform	just preventing him (or rather, his chumpmeister) from fucking us	[23:36]
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mod6	oh! ok	[23:37]
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asciilifeform	no reason why someone suicidally willing to take responsibility for the inevitable, can't add winblows support	[23:37]
asciilifeform	but - i won't. and i can't picture who will.	[23:37]
mod6	ahh, ic. thanks :)	[23:37]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform generally, people who can compile it can also secure windows to a sufficient degree	[23:37]
mike_c	reason #342 why this should be v0.1	[23:37]
asciilifeform	secure winblows lol	[23:37]
kakobrekla	mike_c i see what i did there will fix.	[23:37]
asciilifeform	thing is, portability to winblows has costs.	[23:38]
asciilifeform	beyond mere weight	[23:39]
asciilifeform	e.g., wanna use your custom '/dev/random'? tough	[23:39]
mike_c	not tough. platform layer is not a difficult thing to implement.	[23:40]
asciilifeform	want raw block device access for weaning the thing off bdb? tough	[23:40]
asciilifeform	mike_c: aha and now you'll be up to your knees in microshit	[23:40]
mike_c	but isolated.	[23:40]
mircea_popescu	"Evidence of media fakery that implied corruption in the local health authority and indeed in NHS England. It was one of many similar fake news stories - viz the engineered "Mid Staffs Crisis" used to provide the pretext for rationalising and closing health facilities across the country."	[23:40]
mircea_popescu	asswipes.	[23:40]
undata	mircea_popescu \| mike_c only thing going to the moon is undata. << maybe I'll luck out and Elon's overcompensating	[23:40]
mircea_popescu	undata you know i hear that's the appeal of the trannies ?	[23:41]
mircea_popescu	can be safely gay knowing you won't be splayed by too big a tool.	[23:41]
undata	ha	[23:41]
mircea_popescu	mike_c yeah isolated. from your friends and family.	[23:41]
asciilifeform	mike_c: isolated << if you want to write this, and sign it, who am i to say you oughtn't.	[23:41]
asciilifeform	but - i do so hate the sea of ifdefs.	[23:42]
TheNewDeal	Mp as far as the shitty spot price goes, couldnt one set up some actual usd deverable calls/puts at certain prices to protect against a rigged signal?	[23:42]
mike_c	<+asciilifeform> but - i do so hate the sea of ifdefs. << totally agreed on this.	[23:42]
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