Forum logs for 26 Oct 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
jurov SOP lmao [00:00]
asciilifeform afaik, normally poor shotgun technique [00:00]
TheNewDeal i've seen a guy who did it with a shotgun (many years after) [00:00]
TheNewDeal but if you're going to play russian roulette and hope to come out alive, good luck with your odds [00:00]
asciilifeform TheNewDeal: ever see 'nagant' revolver? the item 'russian roulette' was originally played with. [00:01]
undata haha, "russian roulette at shotgun odds" << I will use this to describe a fucked situation later. [00:01]
asciilifeform TheNewDeal: they're reasonably common in usa. the revelation: one could cheat. [00:01]
TheNewDeal negatron, not a gun nut [00:01]
asciilifeform the way it was built, the ratchet was not engaged when drum was spinning. a single round would settle to the bottom (opposite of barrel line.) [00:02]
asciilifeform so folks would play (on a bet, naturally) with opponent who did not know this. [00:02]
asciilifeform 1890s design. [00:03]
asciilifeform the 'correct' (honest) way to play was to pull trigger while spinning. [00:04]
TheNewDeal was more of a euphemism, not meant to be literal [00:04]
asciilifeform i tell this story because english speakers invariably speak of 'russian roulette' without knowing this tidbit. [00:04]
TheNewDeal true, did not know the story [00:05]
TheNewDeal but seriously, suicide rates would probably go up if people switched from shotgun to nail gun [00:05]
asciilifeform another game, invented by the same folks who brought us 'russian roulette' (imperial-era cavalry officers, bored out of their skulls) was called 'cuckoo' [00:05]
asciilifeform two men in an entirely dark room, with nagants, take turns calling out 'cuckoo' [00:06]
asciilifeform opponent fires at sound. [00:06]
TheNewDeal oooo this game looks like a good drinking game [00:07]
TheNewDeal oh [00:07]
TheNewDeal looking at some different card game [00:07]
undata this fits with my perception of russia perfectly [00:07]
undata hahaha [00:07]
kakobrekla "drinking game" - never understood this concept. [00:08]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: the only 'drinking game' that ever made sense to me was the chess set with the hollow pieces [00:08]
asciilifeform capture piece, must drink it [00:08]
asciilifeform auto-equalization of strength, at least, in theory [00:08]
undata that's pretty good [00:08]
kakobrekla master will have tolerance. [00:09]
asciilifeform naturally. [00:09]
asciilifeform hence why he is master. [00:09]
kakobrekla and fucked up livers. [00:09]
asciilifeform master of anything, will have some fucked up organ. [00:09]
undata probably 8 shots worth at normal sized pieces? [00:09]
TheNewDeal it's mostly a ploy to get the women to drink as much as the men [00:10]
* asciilifeform can't really picture woman playing this game [00:10]
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asciilifeform !up nubbins` [00:11]
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TheNewDeal The people that I would drink and play these card games with typically arent the chess sort. Although I do play Catan with another set of friends, and we often drink while playing [00:12]
bounce "chess boxing" [00:12]
asciilifeform !s chess boxing [00:12]
assbot 0 results for 'chess boxing' : [00:12]
asciilifeform eh. [00:12]
asciilifeform !s alcoholic chess [00:12]
assbot 0 results for 'alcoholic chess' : [00:12]
TheNewDeal ! [00:12]
asciilifeform could've sworn BingoBoingo discussed this. [00:13]
TheNewDeal This is a travesty [00:13]
undata are you guys hacking the rpc bits out of bitcoind? [00:13]
ben_vulpes undata: 'twould be nice. [00:14]
asciilifeform undata: i suggested it, but turns out it would take some actual work [00:14]
undata how would automated services be written? [00:14]
ben_vulpes talk to the binary running on the machine. [00:14]
undata or is that not in the scope of this client? [00:14]
ben_vulpes also, not really in the scope. [00:14]
undata that's fine [00:14]
ben_vulpes build time down to a minute. [00:15]
asciilifeform undata, ben_vulpes: other serial port. (the one not connected to tx synthesis box) [00:15]
decimation lol ran 'sloccount' on your stripped distro ascii [00:15]
decimation Total Physical Source Lines of Code (SLOC) = 19,899 [00:15]
* asciilifeform waits for mircea_popescu to chime in with 'i've been running just this since '11...' [00:16]
decimation Total Estimated Cost to Develop = $ 624,330 (average salary = $56,286/year, overhead = 2.40). [00:16]
asciilifeform decimation: convert to, e.g., grams of cocaine while you're at it [00:16]
decimation let's get it below $100k ! [00:16]
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decimation hehe [00:16]
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decimation yeah dependency on openssl for ecdsa is ugly [00:17]
asciilifeform and for keygen! [00:17]
decimation surely there's some free reference implementation somewhere [00:17]
bounce "physical sloc". sheesh. [00:17]
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decimation we could count the number of cards it would take [00:18]
ben_vulpes undata: few automated services need to send btc. [00:20]
jurov even by hand, need toinject txs somehow [00:22]
ben_vulpes qrcode :D [00:22]
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punkman maybe of interest [00:23]
assbot kmackay/micro-ecc GitHub [00:23]
jurov pffft. what about just trivial protocol via unix socket like [00:23]
asciilifeform ^ [00:23]
jurov SUBMIT [00:23]
jurov and bitocind replies OK [00:23]
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asciilifeform except rs232 and not unix socket from same box [00:24]
asciilifeform don't shit in the kitchen, don't eat in the toilet [00:24]
jurov you want to hardwire /dev/tty0 to the implementation? [00:24]
asciilifeform who said hardwire [00:25]
jurov er.. /dev/ttyS0 [00:25]
asciilifeform just include as config [00:25]
asciilifeform idiots who want to eat from toilet bowl, can loopback the thing into a tx gen on same box. [00:25]
asciilifeform there's your mechanism, there. [00:25]
asciilifeform no need for fancy contortions like unix-sockets [00:25]
jurov i'd prefer another trivial piece that relays between unix socket and ttyS0 or qr reader or whatever [00:26]
asciilifeform why not just have the daemon (nonblocking) listen on /dev/ttyxxx (virtual) ? [00:26]
jurov or if exclusively one client is wanted, then just pass pipe file descriptor [00:26]
jurov ok, i have no problem with pty either [00:27]
decimation yeah use pty [00:27]
asciilifeform this, among other reasons, is why to junk win32 port [00:27]
TheNewDeal did burnside ever get in trouble with the sec? [00:28]
decimation people who insist on windows can use the turdmeister's bitcoind [00:28]
asciilifeform or vm [00:28]
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asciilifeform i bet hanbot has a dual-machine bitcoin mechanism, with 'nintendo' on other side [00:29]
asciilifeform or soviet calculator [00:29]
asciilifeform star-lite, star-brite, sign this here tx tonight [00:31]
TheNewDeal ;;nethash [00:32]
gribble 274802956.09 [00:32]
bounce soviet slide rule [00:34]
* asciilifeform contemplates mechanical ecdsa [00:34]
jurov one can multiply 256bit numbers with slide rule? [00:34]
jurov or with gearbox? [00:34]
asciilifeform helix. [00:34]
jurov i'm all ears [00:34]
asciilifeform e.g. [00:35]
assbot 403 Forbidden [00:35]
asciilifeform [00:35]
asciilifeform [00:35]
asciilifeform ^ best [00:35]
asciilifeform etc [00:35]
TheNewDeal going to replace google searches with ascii searches from now on [00:35]
cazalla [00:36]
assbot mcxNOW Shuts Down For Maintenance (Again) | [00:36]
asciilifeform put the fun in telefunken. [00:36]
asciilifeform << nazi bitcoin node [00:38]
TheNewDeal hahahaa [00:38]
TheNewDeal hitler is satoshi!?! [00:38]
asciilifeform << waffen-ss bitkistor tube [00:38]
asciilifeform eh. [00:39]
undata TheNewDeal: son of hitler, working in secret from Argentina [00:39]
undata side note, the german doctor was a good film [00:39]
jurov hitler gave birth to a son? they got helluva good job with the gender change [00:40]
undata jurov: lost nazi medicine [00:40]
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asciilifeform !up nubbins` [00:41]
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nubbins` TheNewDeal catan! [00:42]
TheNewDeal hell ya [00:42]
nubbins` there was this site, asobrain, had a brilliant and FAST knock-off java applet version [00:42]
nubbins` we're talking 30-45 minute cities & knights games [00:43]
TheNewDeal I've never finished a cities and knights game that quick [00:43]
nubbins` it really sped up the game [00:43]
TheNewDeal oooh [00:43]
nubbins` not having to fumble with setup every time [00:43]
nubbins` shuffling tiles, those round shits, etc [00:43]
nubbins` stacks of cards everywhere [00:44]
TheNewDeal It'd be nice to have a bitcoin base game, but it would be hard to not have collusion [00:44]
nubbins` anyway, they eventually disabled new signups because it was too intense [00:44]
* jurov places an order for slide rule with about 2^256 notches [00:47]
jurov maaaaybe 2^64 will do [00:47]
ben_vulpes nubbins`: too intense? [00:51]
nubbins` the guy running it claimed that he wanted to spare newcomers from the crippling addiction [00:53]
TheNewDeal hahahaha [00:53]
TheNewDeal [00:53]
nubbins` while letting existing ones live out their remaining whithered days exchanging wheat for sheep [00:53]
nubbins` until they starve at their keyboards [00:53]
TheNewDeal I like to subtley call "wheat" "weed." Wanna trade some weed for sheep? [00:54]
nubbins` [00:54]
assbot Building all the major open-source web browsers | Grenouille Bouillie [00:54]
TheNewDeal Trades are verbally binding in catan ya know [00:54]
nubbins` nah [00:54]
nubbins` trade's official when you let someone touch your card [00:54]
TheNewDeal what if you trick them as to which card? [00:54]
cazalla [00:55]
assbot Woman Uses Stomach Wallet Instead Of Brain Wallet | [00:55]
asciilifeform uterus wallet. [00:56]
TheNewDeal when are smugglers going to learn about bitcoin? [00:56]
asciilifeform TheNewDeal: 'there are good spies, there are famous spies, but no good+famous spies.' [00:57]
nubbins` tricking = no fair [00:57]
Duffer1 the smuggler in question? [00:57]
assbot ew-1.jpg Photo by CelebrityCollages | Photobucket [00:57]
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TheNewDeal nubbins` do you ever see if people will trade and then play the dev card that confiscates all the resource of one type? [00:57]
cazalla dat ass [00:57]
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nubbins` TheNewDeal that's frowned upon [00:58]
nubbins` good way to find yourself on the wrong end of everyone else's cards 8) [00:58]
TheNewDeal we get pretty cut throat in our games, but you risk an unofficial trade ban if you pull it off [00:58]
nubbins` hm [00:59]
nubbins` we should discuss this further [00:59]
nubbins` for now, i must head out [01:00]
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ben_vulpes asciilifeform: << am i doing it correctly? [01:04]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: there's a whole lot more upnp in there [01:05]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: point is not to simply disable flag, but to whittle down the turd bitwise [01:06]
jurov is everyone okay with the mailinglist being on domain? [01:06]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: string 'pnp' shouldn't occur in the resulting tree [01:07]
asciilifeform jurov: why not [01:07]
ben_vulpes ah. [01:07]
asciilifeform jurov: my suggestion was to have a plain-text view of the list (incl. patches that passed magic sig) visible there. [01:07]
asciilifeform perhaps with the name of the submitter parse out and diplayed conveniently [01:08]
asciilifeform ('table' tag?) [01:08]
asciilifeform if patch was signed by > 1 person - their name(s) too. [01:08]
asciilifeform display, is, naturally, not a substitute for checking sigs on own box! [01:09]
jurov i'm doing standard mailman archives [01:09]
ben_vulpes jurov: i'd love to see it at [01:09]
jurov what's that? [01:09]
ben_vulpes the network magic bytes for mainnet [01:10]
ben_vulpes perhaps too obscure [01:10]
ben_vulpes if only mircea_popescu were still giving away domains... [01:11]
asciilifeform i'd throw it in '' but the turd lathe undertaking isn't really mine. [01:12]
ben_vulpes doesn't matter. [01:12]
ben_vulpes wherever's clever. [01:12]
asciilifeform jurov: how are you handling detached gpg sigs in mailman ? [01:16]
decimation jurov do you want my [01:17]
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jurov at first only this [01:17]
assbot Bug #558189 (sf-1167696) add support for PGP and S/MIME encrypt... : Bugs : GNU Mailman [01:17]
jurov still looking into it how to deal with attachments [01:19]
TheNewDeal I apologize for the off topic questions, but does friedcat have a gpg key? [01:20]
jurov you want to send patches in above tar.gz format? [01:20]
asciilifeform jurov: unless you can think of a better idea [01:20]
asciilifeform jurov: inline sigs end up with patch mutilated into uselessness with escape chars [01:21]
jurov ah that [01:21]
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asciilifeform jurov: important thing is that patches and sigs must stay married [01:22]
asciilifeform jurov: also at some point we ought to have people sign off on others' patches, once they read [01:22]
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asciilifeform this is why i was so preoccupied (see yesterday's log) with keeping them as small as physically possible [01:23]
jurov ic, the tarball is easy be signed by others [01:23]
asciilifeform pgp/gpg mandatory mutilation of clearsigned text makes me retch [01:24]
asciilifeform but we're stuck with it. [01:24]
ben_vulpes jurov: also at some point we ought to have people sign off on others' patches, once they read << would a new tarball with sig attached suffice? [01:25]
asciilifeform ugly [01:25]
asciilifeform ideally, we'd have a patch and a collection of detached sigs of the plain ascii of the patch [01:25]
ben_vulpes responses to patch thread with sigs? [01:26]
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asciilifeform to feed into some mechanized viewer at a later time [01:26]
jurov no it's looking like one attachment the tarball, another attachment the signature [01:26]
jurov which must be named similarly [01:26]
jurov other people shall reply and send only their signatures [01:27]
jurov with same names [01:27]
asciilifeform signatures of ascii patch? [01:27]
asciilifeform or tarred [01:27]
jurov when multiple files are needed, can be tarred [01:27]
asciilifeform possible to have two attachments, plain ascii patch - and, second, detached sig of the former ? [01:27]
asciilifeform i suggest one patch file per patch [01:28]
asciilifeform as with my example [01:28]
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asciilifeform merging, incidentally, will be a bitch. [01:28]
asciilifeform and nothing can really be done about this. [01:29]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: to digress, what's the rationale behind keeping makefile.linux-mingw? [01:29]
asciilifeform none [01:29]
jurov it'll actually be fileformat and filecount agnostic... [01:29]
asciilifeform i simply didn't zap win32, left it for other folks [01:29]
jurov as long as each patch can be uniquely identified and paired with relevant sigs [01:29]
asciilifeform jurov: so, describe procedure for posting [01:30]
asciilifeform mail message with - body, sig of body, attachment1 (patch), attachment2 (sig of patch) ? [01:30]
jurov thus ... for every attachment named patch-author-id attach also patch-author-id.sig [01:30]
asciilifeform what about message body? (text) [01:30]
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jurov and whoever want to sign it, sends patch-author-id.sig too [01:31]
jurov is message body so important? [01:31]
asciilifeform spam control [01:31]
jurov *text [01:31]
asciilifeform barbarians should not be able to piss in the soup [01:31]
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jurov Yes. then the patch above can be used: "A post will be distributed only if the PGP signature on the post is from one of the list members." [01:32]
asciilifeform there we go. [01:33]
jurov i have to try it first what the "signature on the post" means if it si not S/MIME [01:33]
jurov then i'll report [01:33]
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asciilifeform incidentally, anyone ever screened the pnSeed[] crap for known shitgnome ip ranges ? [01:41]
asciilifeform (net.cpp) [01:42]
asciilifeform not that they're this stupid - but then again... [01:42]
ben_vulpes dashjr... [01:42]
ben_vulpes wrong seed. [01:42]
asciilifeform !s dashjr [01:42]
assbot 1 results for 'dashjr' : [01:42]
asciilifeform luke? [01:43]
ben_vulpes the same. [01:43]
* asciilifeform missed this [01:43]
ben_vulpes "", [01:43]
* asciilifeform likes mircea_popescu tip for user-configurable magic numbers for all magicnumberconstants [01:43]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: does "tree" entail "contrib" as well? [01:44]
asciilifeform i zapped it [01:44]
ben_vulpes ag [01:45]
asciilifeform project is, my understanding, about essential functionality [01:45]
ben_vulpes ah [01:45]
asciilifeform i.e. that which 'bitcoinates' [01:45]
asciilifeform gilding can be applied to the lily - later. [01:45]
asciilifeform we want, i dare say, a basic minimal 'bitkistor.' [01:46]
ben_vulpes kistor? [01:47]
asciilifeform a la resistor [01:48]
asciilifeform thyristor [01:48]
asciilifeform etc [01:48]
asciilifeform bitk-. [01:48]
ben_vulpes yes yes [01:48]
ben_vulpes whence the k tho [01:48]
asciilifeform i don't like what english does to 'c'. [01:48]
asciilifeform at any rate, what do i even have to do with this. cough up yer own name. [01:49]
ben_vulpes you're the literate one... [01:51]
asciilifeform lol! [01:51]
* asciilifeform shudders to think what illiteracy looks like, if this were so [01:51]
ben_vulpes the test-bitcoin line in makefile.unix - is that where i should look for running tests? [01:53]
* asciilifeform never tried this [01:53]
asciilifeform if planning to screw with the things those are testing - might want to [01:53]
ben_vulpes i have zero familiarity with the c ecosystem [01:53]
ben_vulpes would like to run tests, write tests, etc [01:53]
asciilifeform seems to contain very basic tests for things like script [01:54]
ben_vulpes oh lol [01:54]
ben_vulpes test_bitcoin.cpp [01:54]
asciilifeform satoshi's 0.1 does not include them [01:54]
asciilifeform no idea about his last release [01:55]
ben_vulpes this is kind of terrifying. [01:56]
ben_vulpes i build the thing, and then boot it, and if getblockcount increments under my eye - it passes? [01:57]
ben_vulpes surely there's more rigor possible than this. [01:57]
asciilifeform only way to even begin test, is to fire it in anger [01:57]
ben_vulpes << tragedy [01:58]
assbot [RFC] Bitcoin QA : Continuous integration, testing robot [01:58]
asciilifeform tragedy << comedy [01:59]
asciilifeform 'testing can reveal the presence of bugs, but never their absence.' (dijkstra?) [01:59]
* ben_vulpes shrugs [02:01]
ben_vulpes i'd like to have a thing that built a patch; booted the resulting artifact on testnet, mined some TN coins, sent them to itself, etc [02:01]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: why not? go write. [02:02]
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ben_vulpes right right [02:02]
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cazalla might be of some interest to some [02:25]
assbot Conformal Release Bitcoin Transaction Simulator | [02:25]
ben_vulpes what are the stats of this "one machine"? [02:26]
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cazalla they don't say, i'll send an email [02:30]
cazalla actually, ben_vulpes was that even in response to article or chat above [02:30]
ben_vulpes article. [02:31]
ben_vulpes cazalla: ^^ [02:32]
kakobrekla > A single machine acting as a full node takes approximately 10 minutes to verify and process a 32 MB block, meaning that a 32 MB block size is near the maximum one could expect to handle with 1 machine acting as a full node < but how is a single machine going to catch up when it falls behind ? never ? [02:32]
ben_vulpes myeah. [02:33]
ben_vulpes watch that turn out to be an aws maxi-sized VPS [02:33]
kakobrekla never ? < ah i got it. wait 18 months for computing power to double [02:34]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: << i believe this excises all upnp mentions. my build hops on the network and downloads blocks. [02:36]
asciilifeform 32 MB block << obligatory: [02:37]
assbot Logged on 27-08-2014 01:00:10; asciilifeform: 'pardon my cynical twist, but what are you doing with that 20,000×20,000 double-precision floating point matrix you say you need to invert _today_? If you answer "nutt'n, I jus kinda wondered what it'd be like, you know", you should be very happy that I am most likely more than 3000 miles away from you, or I would come over and slap you hard.' [02:37]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: neato [02:37]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: toss it in jurov's turdatron when the latter's ready. [02:38]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: considering that this fix should not have changed the built binary one byte, you probably did not need to do the live-fire test. [02:38]
asciilifeform (assuming you had upnp disabled in flags before) [02:39]
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ben_vulpes did indeed. [02:44]
ben_vulpes best to do it correctly, though. and binaries are not my concern - source is. [02:44]
asciilifeform if making 'cosmetic' change, can diff the binaries (after stripping debug crud) [02:45]
ben_vulpes does UPNP removal count as a cosmetic change? [02:46]
asciilifeform if it was zapped by flag to begin with [02:46]
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asciilifeform (as on any sane build) [02:46]
ben_vulpes it's at least an example of the desired process. [02:50]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: note that 'hops on the network and downloads blocks' is not necessarily equivalent to 'works' [02:51]
kakobrekla in reality no one will ever know if it works. [02:51]
asciilifeform see dijkstra, yes. [02:52]
asciilifeform although, i'll spill the one bean, that the point of my particular long-term 'fits in head' compaction for it, is to determine (for my own perverse pleasure) whether: it works. [02:52]
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ben_vulpes what a turd [02:54]
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ben_vulpes what a miserable, beautiful turd. [02:54]
asciilifeform where's the beauty? [02:54]
asciilifeform wish i could see it. [02:54]
kakobrekla 'fits in head' < meh, some folks fit 50k digits of pi in ther head. [02:54]
kakobrekla their* [02:55]
asciilifeform not enough to fit in your stomach, for something to be food. [02:55]
asciilifeform can fit a kg or two of cement there. [02:55]
kakobrekla exactly [02:55]
asciilifeform when i say 'fits in head', i mean in the same way mechanism of doorknob, or kalashnikov. [02:55]
kakobrekla the test "if you can stomach" it is not the best one imho [02:56]
asciilifeform stomach+digest. [02:56]
ben_vulpes if it does what it says on the tin, i find it a vastly more palatable meal than say a dollar [02:56]
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asciilifeform ben_vulpes: as kakobrekla pointed out, this cannot be established - at least, quite certainly not given the extant turd. [02:56]
ben_vulpes few things are certain even to those capable of reasoning about them. i must fumble in the dark making guesses. my guess though, is that some parts of it work. [02:58]
ben_vulpes but tis but a guess and that guess from me, and discounts should be applied heavily. [02:58]
kakobrekla still this is very arbitrary. can expect to stuff this in avg head and also on the other hand some people can digest some funky shit. [02:58]
kakobrekla s/can/cant [02:59]
asciilifeform a theoretically minimal bitcoinator will not fit in 'avg head,' no. [02:59]
asciilifeform 'things can be made as simple as possible, not simpler.' [02:59]
kakobrekla just saying the standard is poorly defined. [02:59]
asciilifeform [03:01]
kakobrekla shopped [03:03]
asciilifeform lol, never! [03:03]
asciilifeform seekr1t propulsion mechanism revealed. [03:03]
thestringpuller !s turd [03:05]
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asciilifeform known idiot [03:08]
asciilifeform 1000 names [03:08]
danielpbarron oh.. i greped for his nick and ip.. [03:08]
asciilifeform obnoxiously retarded [03:08]
asciilifeform suspected bot (what living thing is that persistent? possibly only mircea_popescu's jar mouse...) [03:09]
kakobrekla danielpbarron protip: do no work, do no sin. [03:09]
mircea_popescu wait wut ? [03:09]
asciilifeform 'meow mix' as jar mouse. [03:10]
mircea_popescu lol [03:11]
mircea_popescu in other news, i had excellent seafood in caviar sauce. [03:11]
* asciilifeform misses cheap soviet caviar (not 'cheapened', but actually cheap, on account of geography) [03:12]
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* mircea_popescu recalls that. [03:13]
mircea_popescu used to get the nice sprots too. [03:13]
asciilifeform i still get these! [03:13]
asciilifeform importers. [03:13]
mircea_popescu not nearly as nice. [03:13]
asciilifeform same can, even. [03:13]
mircea_popescu yeah but i think they;'re faking the smoke [03:13]
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asciilifeform they did for a while [03:13]
asciilifeform until proper smoke was quietly re-legalized [03:13]
asciilifeform post-2010 or so, real, afaik [03:13]
mircea_popescu unrelated : [03:14]
* asciilifeform checks sprat supply [03:14]
kakobrekla whats the story there ascii [03:14]
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asciilifeform kakobrekla: for a spell, eu banned smoked foods (!) - because 'carcinogen' - and then latvia, eu circa '04, got the sharp end of the ban [03:15]
asciilifeform sprats (iconic canned fish, familiar to virtually all sovblok folks) started shipping with 'synthetic smoke' [03:15]
asciilifeform a terrible erzats [03:15]
mircea_popescu really it's the can. black and gold. [03:16]
asciilifeform i presently get my (and got the woman addicted likewise, when first met even) sprat fix from a german importer in wash. dc [03:16]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform nothing really goes with vodka and olives [03:17]
asciilifeform lol [03:17]
asciilifeform there is no substitute for standard sprats. none. [03:17]
* asciilifeform counts three cans [03:17]
jurov are theses sprats cryptographically signed? [03:17]
mircea_popescu [03:17]
asciilifeform aha those are the plus-sizers! [03:18]
mircea_popescu jurov no, they're olphactorily signed [03:18]
jurov yes i like em too [03:18]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform similarly there's no substitute for salt pickles [03:18]
mircea_popescu wasabi [03:18]
mircea_popescu long list of specific food items [03:18]
asciilifeform hehe [03:18]
mircea_popescu can't make deviled eggs without salt pickles fro crying out loud [03:19]
mircea_popescu cookign is a lot like coding [03:19]
asciilifeform but more important. [03:19]
chetty ahhh grouper [03:19]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell cazalla [03:19]
gribble The operation succeeded. [03:19]
cazalla oh, it's a dude [03:20]
mircea_popescu << b lack dongs see ? [03:20]
mircea_popescu they work wonders [03:20]
asciilifeform arse with eye? can see colour? [03:21]
cazalla his ass looks like it has labia [03:21]
mircea_popescu it can ~feel~ the color! [03:21]
mircea_popescu cazalla mostly because the feminine folds are adaptative rather than aesthetic [03:21]
asciilifeform champions of synaesthesia. [03:21]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: << translator's challenge! [03:22]
assbot - - [03:22]
mircea_popescu but i am not a translator!1 [03:23]
asciilifeform lellzies [03:23]
cazalla aren't they both? [03:23]
mircea_popescu Bomber with a bomb, off to kill you! If you're not an idiot, you'll shoot it down. Either you do, or it kills you! If it kills you, this brave plane, then he's a brave patriot and you're just as idiotically dead. On the contrary... well... it's a sore plane. Very sore plane. Otherwise, he died a patriot, flying a bomb your way, wanting to kill you. But lucky for you - you weren't an idiot. [03:26]
chetty два идиота [03:26]
mircea_popescu dva idiota should be a tattoo. [03:26]
chetty :D [03:26]
cazalla seems most men prefer little to no labia but given one of the first i saw was a beat to shit jpg from a bbs, i would argue labia certainly have an aesthetic quality about them [03:28]
mircea_popescu and ftr, stih is directly "verse" in romanian. [03:28]
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mircea_popescu cazalla a preference of no labia is indicative of the pedo. [03:28]
kakobrekla and ftr, stih is directly "verse" in romanian. < same [03:28]
mircea_popescu let's celebrate! [03:29]
cazalla makes me wonder why mr hands didn't opt for a toy like that, must've been the horse itself [03:31]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform my speciality is fast not good. [05:14]
mircea_popescu decimation: ben_vulpes: did you manage to compile your package on osx? I find that there are weird linux dependencies in the irc code << i thought the irc code was out. [05:14]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it's in. [05:16]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: didja even bother to read that thing. [05:16]
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mircea_popescu mmm [05:16]
mircea_popescu i prolly read summaries. [05:17]
mircea_popescu !up teek [05:17]
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decimation I found that if you s/MSG_NOSIGNAL/SO_NOSIGPIPE/ the thing compiles (using macports g++-mp-4.7) [05:18]
* asciilifeform recommends snippety-snip for the osx crap [05:18]
decimation this is probably relevant to BSD [05:18]
mircea_popescu but apparently half the peons here are on os/x [05:18]
asciilifeform lol! [05:18]
decimation eh, it's the closest tool at hand [05:18]
asciilifeform [05:19]
assbot Porting MSG_MORE and MSG_NOSIGPIPE to OS X – Noah Watkins [05:19]
decimation I think a custom gentoo vm is the way to go [05:19]
asciilifeform if vm, why not openbsd. [05:19]
mircea_popescu a vm generally is possibly the way out. [05:19]
asciilifeform i suggested a qemu image earlier, if anyone recalls. [05:19]
asciilifeform hammered as flat as possible [05:19]
asciilifeform though it was for build, and not necessarily run [05:20]
mircea_popescu allow me to help productivity in my own way : [05:20]
midnightmagic mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mius mixdio_ [05:20]
midnightmagic mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mius mixdio_ [05:20]
midnightmagic mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mius mixdio_ [05:20]
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asciilifeform is that a shoehorn? [05:20]
mircea_popescu thinks people ask about porn. "is that a shoehorn ?" [05:21]
asciilifeform shoehorns are a neglected but important piece of infrastructure! [05:21]
asciilifeform how many usaschwitz inmates even own a shoehorn. [05:22]
mircea_popescu here's a funny story : i have a maid here. as maids do, she has decided on a sorting of items in my place and is enforcing it unless one tells her better. which is the great unknown and unsung power of the default. [05:23]
mircea_popescu on the other hand, im not sure she knows what a shoehorn is, [05:23]
mircea_popescu because she's decided it goes IN my very nice marble mortar and pestle. [05:23]
mircea_popescu with the pestle. [05:23]
mircea_popescu the first time this happened chicks discovert it, i was like ew! and laughed at her. but then i forgot to say anything, so sure enough, next time... [05:24]
kakobrekla perhaps one of those silly 'life hacks' [05:26]
mircea_popescu oh ? [05:26]
kakobrekla "you have been drinking milk wrong all your life" [05:26]
kakobrekla as seen on youtube. [05:26]
mircea_popescu speaking of which, [05:26]
asciilifeform 'really it's to be sipped with yer arsehole' [05:26]
asciilifeform that kind of 'hack' [05:26]
kakobrekla yea [05:26]
kakobrekla they do these. [05:26]
undata mircea_popescu: she thinks it's to scoop out what's been ground? [05:27]
mircea_popescu undata possibly. [05:27]
kakobrekla who is suppose to be enjoying this, him or her? [05:27]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla it's just the definition of "shoehorned" [05:27]
kakobrekla or maybe even him or him [05:27]
undata ouch [05:28]
undata well I guess I wouldn't know, but seems like ouch [05:28]
mircea_popescu undata the heel is metallic, but doesn't seem threaded... [05:28]
undata I mean, I've never stuck anything up there; could be great [05:29]
undata I'll probably pass... [05:29]
mircea_popescu undata too late for that, clearly you're into sounding [05:29]
undata ah fuck [05:29]
mircea_popescu working hard to prepare for mr thiel [05:29]
mircea_popescu why DID you think they're called "pencildicks" ? [05:29]
decimation arg. it compiles, but doesnt' link on osx without gymnastics [05:30]
decimation yeah maybe openbsd is a good idea [05:30]
asciilifeform once the toy os crap is junked, can 'have nice things' [05:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00075274 = 6.0972 BTC [+] [05:31]
decimation asciilifeform: is there a 'port' package for boost? [05:31]
asciilifeform no idea [05:31]
asciilifeform probably [05:32]
asciilifeform decimation: [05:32]
assbot The MacPorts Project -- Available Ports [05:32]
decimation oh yeah I am using the macports version [05:33]
decimation I mean openbsd port [05:33]
decimation their packaging turd [05:33]
decimation I'm sure compiling that shit from scratch would be a nightmare [05:34]
asciilifeform exists, yes [05:34]
asciilifeform [05:35]
assbot | The OpenBSD package collection [05:35]
decimation awesome. [05:35]
decimation osx looks good from the outside, but when you walk into the engine room you find chairs glued to the ceiling and rotating clown cars [05:36]
asciilifeform !b 1 [05:36]
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undata [05:36]
assbot 'Darth Vader' goes to polls in Ukraine and wants to turn state into 'galactic empire' - [05:36]
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decimation this is a healthy development for their democracy, satan's world is on display [05:38]
asciilifeform in usa we had a version of this. vermin supreme. [05:38]
asciilifeform (yes, his official name!) [05:38]
decimation there's also predator and its 2 governors [05:39]
asciilifeform i vote for him without fail. [05:39]
decimation I wish that there were an option on the us ballot for "I vote against this entire system and an immediate constitutional convention" [05:39]
decimation kinda like the voter's version of nullification [05:40]
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mircea_popescu osx looks good from the outside, but when you walk into the engine room you find chairs glued to the ceiling and rotating clown cars << ahahhaha [05:49]
ben_vulpes vermin supreme! [05:49]
asciilifeform [05:50]
decimation I guess voting for vermin supreme would be the 'fuck you and the horse you rode in on' vote [05:50]
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mircea_popescu they have these "suprema de x" breakfast dishes here [05:50]
mircea_popescu decimation "I vote against this entire system and an immediate constitutional convention" <<< that's not on the ballot. you can actually convene one. like, right now. [05:51]
mircea_popescu just get enough people to sign for it. [05:51]
decimation yeah that's kinda true, except you would have the entire bureaucrat/media/faceless mass against you [05:51]
mircea_popescu as opposed to when ? [05:52]
decimation might as well wear a boot on your head and shout at strangers [05:52]
decimation yeah, good point [05:52]
decimation mr. yarvin had a post where he hypothesized that if there were a credible alternative to usg it would immediately crumble [05:53]
mircea_popescu kinda his job, neh ? [05:53]
ben_vulpes [05:53]
assbot My name is Vermin Supreme w/ video - YouTube [05:53]
mircea_popescu ;;google chuckie egg [05:54]
gribble Chuckie Egg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Chuckie Egg - Flash BBCMicro Game Remake - Play Online: ; Play Chuckie Egg - Classic Arcade Games: [05:54]
ben_vulpes ben_vulpes: did you manage to compile your package on osx? << not even trying. i set up a virtualized debian toolchain. [05:54]
decimation heh [05:54]
decimation I have it almost compiling except boost is giving me shitty linking errors [05:54]
decimation I think asciilifeform is right, better to run on a real os [05:55]
ben_vulpes debian and gentoo seem to be the choices. [05:56]
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decimation what, no bsd? :) [05:56]
undata ben_vulpes: I tried earlier on gentoo; it wanted a different openssl than ssh did, so I gave up. [05:56]
decimation yeah that's the rhel bitcoin guy's point [05:57]
decimation he has a complete version of openssl that will work with bitcoin, you can download the src.rpm and build for arbitrary unix [05:57]
ben_vulpes undata: i'm using debian. [05:57]
ben_vulpes !s bitcoin dark secret [05:57]
assbot 0 results for 'bitcoin dark secret' : [05:57]
ben_vulpes o.O [05:58]
mircea_popescu !s darkest secret [05:59]
assbot 2 results for 'darkest secret' : [05:59]
ben_vulpes bad search as a service [05:59]
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ben_vulpes no venture investment [05:59]
ben_vulpes cazalla: did you hear back from Conformal about the machines they used to come to their 32MB steady-state conclusion? [06:08]
cazalla ben_vulpes, forgot about that, i'll do it now [06:09]
mircea_popescu for that matter, who from conformal was here ? i forget [06:09]
decimation every once in awhile I jones for dayZ, anyone here every play it? [06:10]
ben_vulpes this "pruned blockchain" notion sounds dangerous. [06:11]
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ben_vulpes [06:11]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes it's a lousy fix for a serious problem that "doesn't exist" because logics [06:11]
assbot Autoprune by rdponticelli Pull Request #4701 bitcoin/bitcoin GitHub [06:11]
ben_vulpes what is the actual serious problem? [06:12]
decimation I like how on one had the sky is falling so we need bigger blocks, but on the other hand the sky is falling so we need a smaller blockchain [06:12]
mircea_popescu but hey, i know, since we solved the blocksize through autopruning, we can make blocks one trilobyte long! [06:12]
decimation heh [06:12]
mircea_popescu decimation notice the typically usg sort of arguing involved. [06:12]
mircea_popescu i mean it's ridoinculous, a five year old can smell the shit, yet supposedly pointing it out is somehow controversial and wildly speculative [06:13]
ben_vulpes pr [06:13]
mircea_popescu anyway, asciilifeform's orignal "microscope, monkeys" is exceptionally apt, when it comes to "bitcoin scientists" [06:14]
ben_vulpes can't run with a wallet in pruned mode? [06:14]
mircea_popescu and to think the guy went to princeton! [06:14]
decimation who, gavin? [06:14]
ben_vulpes pr << ah satoshi save me [06:14]
mircea_popescu yeah. [06:14]
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mircea_popescu ben_vulpes what do you think this prhttps interface is [06:15]
decimation well, satoshi's original judgement was that these guys were pigfuckers, see ya later [06:15]
mircea_popescu decimation you can imagine his cold cold sweat once he finally figured out who exactly the "enthusiastic early adopters" were. [06:15]
ben_vulpes prhttps? [06:15]
mircea_popescu quite a soviet moment. [06:16]
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mircea_popescu ben_vulpes look in logs, your last few lines ? [06:16]
ben_vulpes pardon sir, a typo [06:17]
ben_vulpes [06:17]
assbot Add a switch to allow running in a pruned state by rdponticelli Pull Request #4481 bitcoin/bitcoin GitHub [06:17]
decimation it's enraging that firefox doesn't honor emacs movements [06:17]
decimation keyboard shortcuts [06:17]
ben_vulpes decimation: konqueror [06:17]
ben_vulpes i've yet to set it up myself [06:17]
ben_vulpes but it's on the roadmap for 2015 [06:17]
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mircea_popescu ben_vulpes two typos, and since it was consistent it made me curious :D [06:18]
decimation yeah I always liked konqueror becuase it would just open a file as an arg [06:18]
ben_vulpes i finally got helm dialed in (and oh my god, i didn't know that emacs could get that much better [06:18]
decimation what's helm do? [06:18]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: terminal kill ring, incomplete backwards-kill, os paste holder [06:18]
ben_vulpes decimation: are you familiar with ido? [06:19]
ben_vulpes fuzzy completion in all of the places in which one'd want it? [06:19]
ben_vulpes (mircea_popescu: << the first one, de-typo'd) [06:19]
assbot Add a switch to allow running in a pruned state by rdponticelli Pull Request #4481 bitcoin/bitcoin GitHub [06:19]
decimation yeah I use ido now but it's only marginally better than stock [06:20]
decimation yeah that sounds great [06:20]
decimation ido kinda sucks honestly, it's matching is dumb [06:20]
decimation it's/its [06:20]
decimation huh, thanks for the tip, will look into it [06:21]
ben_vulpes hang on a sec [06:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8106 @ 0.00077314 = 6.2671 BTC [+] [06:21]
ben_vulpes decimation: [06:22]
assbot A Package in a league of its own: Helm [06:22]
ben_vulpes decimation: [06:22]
assbot Exploring large projects with Projectile and Helm Projectile [06:22]
ben_vulpes integration with grep, ag, and the kill-ring visualization are pretty fantastic. [06:23]
decimation ah, yeah I want kill-ring visualization [06:24]
decimation thanks [06:24]
decimation do you use org-mode? [06:24]
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ben_vulpes fairly frequently, yes. [06:25]
ben_vulpes ! [06:26]
ben_vulpes side note about the 32mb number: andresen claims that as the largest message that can be sent in a single bitcoin p2p message. [06:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2697 @ 0.00077314 = 2.0852 BTC [+] [06:27]
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mircea_popescu ben_vulpes it's kind of the intention, but it does not really work [06:29]
mircea_popescu (ie, it's unevenly enforced) [06:30]
ben_vulpes as in p2p messages exceed 32mb in practice? [06:31]
ben_vulpes decimation: why do you ask? [06:31]
mircea_popescu as in sometimes they do, more or less impredictably so. [06:32]
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decimation ben_vulpes: just cause. I find it quite useful, the best personal organizer I have tried [06:33]
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ben_vulpes decimation: i used it for time tracking before we started using harvest [06:34]
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ben_vulpes which has got to be the most orwellianly named product out there [06:34]
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ben_vulpes ;;later tell princesnell << what, you're collaborating with the empire nao? [06:37]
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ben_vulpes (just trolling - all the paupers have to) [06:38]
mircea_popescu lol princess nellia in full metal gear ? [06:38]
mircea_popescu ahahahh wait, she's one of the five economists ? [06:38]
mircea_popescu somebody's got some splainin' to do. [06:39]
mircea_popescu ;;rated princessnell [06:39]
gribble You rated user princessnell on Thu Jun 12 00:45:23 2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: She's smart.. [06:39]
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decimation well to be fair she was just a reviewer [06:40]
decimation she might have said 'this sucks' [06:40]
mircea_popescu one that somehow forgot to come by and say "hey check out the derpage" [06:41]
decimation good point [06:41]
mircea_popescu and if she did say this sucks, i have no way to know. which isn't consistent with the "smart" rating, sadly. [06:41]
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mircea_popescu but as a general moral of the thing, one's best be careful to post on their blog trashing idiots like us* or else they risk appearing in victorious tweets like "oh noes, 5 economists reviewed this!!!", which is exactly how the empire works. [06:42]
ben_vulpes how would i get the size of an arbitrary block? [06:46]
mircea_popescu getBlockSize() ? [06:47]
ben_vulpes ty mircea_popescu [06:48]
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decimation I don't even get how gavin's post is an economic argument [06:53]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: do messages of less than 32 MB transmit regularly? are you aware of a discernable phase boundary for transmission reliability? [06:53]
decimation other than "the network would be more valuable if it did more transactions per second" [06:53]
mircea_popescu no, which is why i've been sayin'... [06:53]
mircea_popescu decimation it IS an economic argument. it goes like so [06:53]
mircea_popescu "we do not want to die." [06:53]
decimation heh [06:53]
mircea_popescu it's just not either brought honestly nor signed by its authors. [06:53]
decimation the assertions he makes neglect a large pile of real-world costs [06:54]
mircea_popescu they are like the usual assetions of the socialist five year old : they neglect everything except for what he wants. [06:55]
mircea_popescu and therefore MUST HAVE!!!1 [06:55]
decimation that's exactly how it reads [06:55]
mircea_popescu people tend to forget just how self-defeating idiocy is. [06:55]
mircea_popescu all it needs is state itself. [06:55]
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asciilifeform pruning << the shitgnomes don't dare a hardfork. so they'll happily try a 'lossy softfork' - see how much functionality can be degraded (in this case, how much of the blockchain can be alzheimered) without hardforking. [07:02]
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mircea_popescu sooo... mah router just got attacked ;/ [07:03]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform myeah, "anything that isn't bolted down" or how did it go. [07:04]
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asciilifeform anything that isn't bolted down, will be shaken loose. very soon. [07:07]
asciilifeform and little gnomes, covered in shit, will silently scurry away with it. [07:07]
mircea_popescu it's not really shit [07:08]
mircea_popescu you just don't understand how the world works. [07:08]
asciilifeform i can't help but wonder what our little friends the gnomes chat about amongst themselves. [07:09]
asciilifeform when we aren't looking and the lights are out. [07:09]
mircea_popescu the world. [07:09]
mircea_popescu and how you don't understand it. [07:09]
asciilifeform what do they talk about under their buggery blankets [07:09]
asciilifeform nah that's on the stage [07:09]
decimation it's interesting that they would go so far as to pay someone to attack sites [07:09]
mircea_popescu decimation i very much doubt there's any relation there. [07:09]
mircea_popescu one can well piss off different groups of idiots you know. [07:10]
decimation true [07:10]
mircea_popescu now, sure all the idiots in the end are fed out of the same through [07:10]
mircea_popescu so one could argue they're the same group in the end. but anyway. [07:10]
asciilifeform there are two troughs. [07:11]
mircea_popescu maybe they should paint foodstamps in different colors [07:11]
asciilifeform out of one, the useful idiots are fed. the ones who actually swallow it all. [07:11]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform in this case, i actually meant money. [07:11]
asciilifeform out of the other - the 'full spectrum dominance' folks who know exactly what they're doing. [07:11]
asciilifeform the ones who've not only smelled but stoked the ovens. [07:11]
decimation I don't think they are involved here [07:12]
decimation why would they show up in irc? [07:12]
mircea_popescu i very much doubt they exist at all. [07:12]
asciilifeform decimation: why would such dignified folks show up in person. represented by idiots of the first kind, in nearly all cases. [07:12]
mircea_popescu but this is evolving towards a rehash of the meta-nsa discussion we've really done to death [07:12]
asciilifeform there's an inexhaustible supply of them, after all [07:12]
asciilifeform aha [07:12]
mircea_popescu the islant of smart bureaucrats is like ten miles off the island of the amazons [07:13]
mircea_popescu those mythical women that are perpetually hawt and perpetually alone. [07:14]
* asciilifeform does not believe in free-range sheeple. or rather, is quite certain that they've been extinct since some time prior to, say, babylon. and the only kind of sheeple to be found today are in meat processing plants - which can only exist if there are eaters. [07:14]
decimation with monkeys bombarding them with poo [07:14]
mircea_popescu eaters, yes. [07:14]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform considere the case of the farming ants. are the ants intelligent ? no. are the teats of the bugs milked in time ? yes. [07:14]
mircea_popescu nature is economical. [07:14]
mircea_popescu especially with intelligence. [07:14]
asciilifeform even if a figure like jamie dimon is more analogous to an insect queen than to a 'secret hitler' - [07:15]
asciilifeform still, we have an eater. [07:15]
asciilifeform or rather, a set. [07:15]
decimation asciilifeform: the concluding question being: in front of which chumpatron's maw do you wish to graze? [07:16]
asciilifeform hm? [07:17]
decimation how do you escape the factory and roam free? [07:18]
asciilifeform ask limonov [07:18]
decimation or maybe that templeos guy [07:18]
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asciilifeform (who, it appears, believes that organized stampede is the answer. well, doesn't really believe it answers the puzzle, but thinks it wrong not to at least try) [07:19]
mircea_popescu organised stampede ? lol. [07:19]
mircea_popescu if you can do that, why stop there ? make round cubes, [07:19]
asciilifeform templeos << terry davis is a 'stainless steel rat.' just, a more skilled one than i am [07:20]
mircea_popescu heck, made perpetuum mobile and everything else. [07:20]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: fried ice! [07:20]
asciilifeform (arabic?) [07:20]
mircea_popescu definitely. [07:20]
mircea_popescu low calorie milk, greaseless oil, all the good stuff. [07:20]
asciilifeform dried water. [07:20]
mircea_popescu organised stampede indeed. [07:20]
decimation asciilifeform: mancur olson lived somewhere nearby. he pretty much came to the same conclusion [07:20]
mircea_popescu but incidentally : i have for the past hour been writing on this piece [07:21]
mircea_popescu which i think will be pretty shattery. roughly same topic. [07:21]
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asciilifeform decimation: j. c. scott's 'art of not being governed' (related) [07:21]
decimation I like how any book worth reading is now warez [07:23]
decimation I feel the compulsion to collect them in case 1984 [07:23]
asciilifeform well, any book in ru [07:23]
decimation heh [07:24]
asciilifeform i've ~80GB here. [07:24]
asciilifeform and that's... plain ascii. [07:24]
asciilifeform compressed. [07:24]
asciilifeform (!) [07:24]
decimation asciilifeform: what is the ru copyright law? do they thumb their nose at the bern convention [07:24]
decimation that's alot of books [07:24]
undata [07:24]
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undata seems to have everything [07:24]
asciilifeform decimation: complicated. [07:25]
asciilifeform decimation: on paper, 1990s oligarchs sold even the pre-copyright-era (ussr to 1974) works to various pissants [07:25]
asciilifeform but in practice, there is iron resistance [07:25]
mircea_popescu I feel the compulsion to collect them in case 1984 << you are doing a good thing. [07:25]
decimation as in, no one recognizes the 'property rights' of the pissants? [07:26]
asciilifeform ru folks (the thinking kind) collect warez as a matter of principle. [07:26]
asciilifeform and of pragmatic. never know when might need to make a trade. [07:26]
undata why did p2p seem to stall at bittorrent? [07:27]
asciilifeform ? [07:27]
undata I guess tribler's working on a tor fork [07:27]
decimation what's wrong with bittorent? [07:27]
undata decimation: what would be wrong with some anonymity in the mix? [07:27]
decimation well, it wasn't an design goal [07:28]
asciilifeform 'property rights' of the pissants << gotta understand the inevitable reaction when people move a property boundary. and especially when they move it, as if they owned the universe, straight through your brain, wishing to cut off half [07:28]
undata decimation: that's what's wrong with bittorrent. [07:28]
mircea_popescu undata listen, you're misdesigning here. the "privacy" angle is not to be solved at the tool level. [07:28]
decimation asciilifeform: yeah sounds legit [07:29]
mircea_popescu what the fuck would awk be if someone tried to rewrite it to include privacy ? [07:29]
mircea_popescu you want privacy, get a vm. [07:29]
mircea_popescu you want private use of a hammer, wear gloves. [07:29]
mircea_popescu don't try to buy a special, "private" hammer. [07:29]
decimation I'm not really sure how one could 'design privacy' while simultaneously expecting to correspond with whoever comes down the street [07:29]
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undata mircea_popescu: still I can run tor *here* [07:30]
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mircea_popescu sure, you can do whatever you please. [07:30]
decimation asciilifeform: but the situation is even worse in the us, why do the 'thinking folk' seem to accept it as some kind of bedrock of civilization? [07:31]
asciilifeform decimation: anyone ask them? (do you remember being asked? i don't) [07:31]
decimation heh good point [07:31]
undata mircea_popescu: an anonymous p2p network would permanently solve the copyright thing; those guys can always go after the seedbox hosts [07:32]
decimation it's a weird quirk of their particular abbatoir [07:32]
undata I've used i2p for various things [07:32]
undata good but utterly slow [07:32]
asciilifeform decimation: [07:32]
assbot Logged on 28-07-2014 19:19:31; asciilifeform: 'Learn not to participate - to the point of utter impossibility of meeting the enemy 'half-way' - and you will see that inside there lay a very useful mindfuck: in learning to 'nonparticipate,' in fact you drew out your *will* from its scabbard - to which it seemed so securely riveted by your upbringing. The appearance of *your will* changes everything and forever. With your own will s [07:32]
mircea_popescu undata it wouldn't do anything. you're basically saying, "carbon credits will permanently solve the eco whining". no, it provably won't. [07:33]
undata no, I'm not. [07:34]
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undata right now there is a nonzero risk (in the US) that you get outed by your ISP and end up paying loads [07:35]
undata why would dropping that risk to negligible be doing nothing? [07:35]
mircea_popescu ... [07:35]
mircea_popescu somewhere your thinking's broken but i don't readily spot where. wtf are you on about, "dropping that risk to nigligible" ? [07:35]
mircea_popescu you ARE running forbidden app x, right ? [07:36]
mircea_popescu how did it become the case in us of fuckyou that you can be fined for using the internet ? [07:36]
undata the laws aren't against the app [07:36]
undata they're against pulling down copyrighted material [07:36]
mircea_popescu cause the same fucking process can work again [07:36]
mircea_popescu uh. [07:36]
asciilifeform the copyrasty problem will find its 'final solution' in a rather elegant, if traumatic, way. the various american 'industries' that form the brain & body of copyrasty (film, music, dead tree publishing) will be done in by the banal fact of their customers having nothing to spend. [07:36]
asciilifeform this is also known as 'every tumour stops growing eventually.' [07:37]
undata I fail to see the problem with helping that death along. [07:37]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform that's not my perspective, though we don't disagree. in my view of the matter, they will be done in by the fact that the intersection of thinking people and copyright observers will become the null set. [07:37]
asciilifeform it's already a mostly null set [07:37]
mircea_popescu undata well there's no problem with helping it along, but your proposed measures have the opposite effect ? [07:38]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform that being the only reason it still survives as a going concern. [07:38]
undata mircea_popescu: by causing a "no p2p app x" law? [07:38]
undata it'd never happen [07:38]
mircea_popescu undata no. by acting as if the usg actually has some sort of power or importance. [07:38]
undata any more than they can ban tor [07:38]
mircea_popescu see the scabbard quote above. [07:38]
mircea_popescu you have any idea how many of these "it'll never happen"s i heard ? [07:38]
undata the us govt *made* tor [07:39]
mircea_popescu here's a good one : it'll never happen that they'll send people to prison for fixing software. [07:39]
decimation mircea_popescu: I'm sure there are bureaucrats that would love to do exactly that [07:39]
undata this assumes they can do anything [07:39]
mircea_popescu decimation no, it's happened already. [07:39]
mircea_popescu see the famous case of that neonazi kid whatever his name is [07:40]
undata they haven't gotten anything done in 20 years [07:40]
mircea_popescu undata they've not gotten anything intelligent done in 20 years. plenty of idiocy got done tho. [07:40]
undata I think it would be fantastic to have an appified (derped) way of downloading game of thrones [07:40]
mircea_popescu well so make it, i guess. [07:41]
undata if only to kill the revenue of game of thrones-ing [07:41]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform incidentally : you know what "solid earner" died the exact death you describe ? buffett's "discount stamps" [07:41]
mircea_popescu exactly that way : its customers ended up on food stamps :D [07:41]
asciilifeform thar we go. [07:41]
asciilifeform in the near term - usa is stage for 'demolition derby' of everything and anything - good, bad - which depends on the typical man on the street having spending money. [07:43]
mircea_popescu undata anyway, you're equivocating two things here. on one hand, you'll find exactly zero support here for the proposition that someone should make money off the writings of dead authors ; on the other hand, you'll find exactly zero support here for the theory that you should be able to play any computer game you wish without having to pay the company that made it anything. [07:43]
mircea_popescu this equivocation would be the other, smaller reason copyrights still survive. [07:43]
undata mircea_popescu: nothing stops anyone from mirroring your blog for free [07:43]
undata yet you're getting paid [07:43]
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mircea_popescu actually, yes, it does. [07:43]
mircea_popescu cause he can't get the articles. [07:43]
undata he could pay once, then host it himself [07:44]
mircea_popescu and get sued. [07:44]
undata my point is there's always a way, and that fact doesn't necessarily stop good content [07:44]
mircea_popescu but your point doesn't work, seeing how... there isn't a way. [07:44]
undata there are shit-fountains in the us I'd love to help wreck. [07:44]
asciilifeform how many mircea_popescu ends up suing every week ? [07:45]
mircea_popescu you just need better methods. [07:45]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform that didn't parse. [07:45]
asciilifeform ah [07:45]
asciilifeform how often somebody opens unauthorized mirror [07:45]
undata well, something which does more damage to the fountain the more people want the shit seems fun [07:45]
undata maybe it's not the above, but something [07:45]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's never happened, cuz why would somebody. [07:45]
asciilifeform why would some nitwit ddos the #b-a log. [07:46]
asciilifeform because satan moves him? idk [07:46]
mircea_popescu undata << you ever seen that btw ? [07:46]
assbot Copyright Notice pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [07:46]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah well, and then legal rape. [07:46]
mircea_popescu !s trademark [07:46]
assbot 78 results for 'trademark' : [07:46]
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assbot Logged on 03-10-2014 15:52:13; mircea_popescu: make thing infringing on mp's trademark. have mp notice you in google. mp files complaint with fb, yest. page suspended, today. [07:46]
asciilifeform lol - what was the trademark? [07:47]
mircea_popescu trilema [07:47]
asciilifeform ha [07:47]
mircea_popescu doh. [07:47]
undata I am certain that page is not why people are paying you for your content. [07:48]
undata that said, I have no plans to mirror trilema [07:48]
mircea_popescu for sure not. [07:48]
mircea_popescu and i mostly don't give a shit, either. [07:48]
mircea_popescu but your arguments don't work like you want them to nevertheless. [07:48]
decimation If there's a bridge that you voted against and the gov't built anyway, would you use it? [07:49]
* mircea_popescu is interested by this suddenly unexpected turn. [07:49]
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asciilifeform decimation: i use it. (literally.) [07:50]
mircea_popescu decimation what if i say "no" ? [07:50]
kakobrekla this is a rehash of dignity of downed pilots [07:50]
asciilifeform 'spread yer legs & think of england' [07:50]
decimation it's not really a logic puzzle [07:50]
undata decimation: I do not vote. [07:50]
mircea_popescu decimation well you had something in mind with it ? [07:50]
undata except with money [07:50]
asciilifeform downed pilots with dignity - have poor life expectancy. [07:51]
decimation I would use the bridge, for simple pragmatic reasons [07:51]
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kakobrekla hehe [07:51]
mircea_popescu but how does it relate ? [07:51]
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decimation copyright enforcement is the unwanted bridge [07:51]
mircea_popescu and suppose i have a toilet in my house that instead of the usual seat has a penis shaped stick to sit on ? [07:52]
decimation that would make it difficult to take a shit [07:52]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu stole all my inventions straight from me head!! [07:52]
mircea_popescu i suppose that's the ultimate girl toilet, what is all this "lift the seat, lower the seat" bs. [07:52]
mircea_popescu just impale yourself and that's that. [07:52]
undata in my case, I will never file a software patent. [07:52]
undata that bridge can fuck itself [07:52]
asciilifeform i've been advocating the stakeoilet for years! [07:52]
mircea_popescu lmao [07:52]
mircea_popescu where ? [07:52]
asciilifeform to pet [07:53]
mircea_popescu ;;google stakeoilet [07:53]
gribble No matches found. [07:53]
asciilifeform in-joke. till now [07:53]
mircea_popescu bwahahh I GOT THE COPYRIGHT BITCH [07:53]
asciilifeform till mr. lift'em-straightouta'me'head got to it, ha. [07:53]
decimation he's going to use the power of the state to compel you [07:53]
mircea_popescu !s compiles you [07:53]
assbot 55 results for 'compiles you' : [07:53]
asciilifeform << obligatory re: downed pilots & their dignity. [07:54]
assbot ClubOrlov: Survival of the Nicest? [07:54]
undata owning information is not the only option here [07:54]
mircea_popescu << that. [07:54]
assbot Logged on 07-10-2014 06:20:35; mircea_popescu: the power of jesus compiles you! [07:54]
asciilifeform specifically the quite. [07:54]
asciilifeform *quote [07:54]
undata and needing to ignores that many will just pay people they want to support [07:54]
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kakobrekla penis shaped stick toilet - and i thought i was fucked. [07:55]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform incidentally, does pet ever go to spa ? [07:55]
asciilifeform nein [07:55]
mircea_popescu actually, better q, do they even have spas where you live. [07:55]
asciilifeform if it's the place with the peculiar chair fixtures, yes [07:55]
decimation I've been told that many 'massage parlors' in maryland are in fact brothels [07:56]
undata better stated, the only owned information is a secret [07:56]
asciilifeform i was informed the function is called 'happy-ending' here [07:56]
asciilifeform and one can ask for it by code name [07:56]
mircea_popescu decimation "you've been told" ? [07:56]
* decimation haven't availed myself of their services [07:56]
mircea_popescu why not ? [07:56]
decimation the power of jesus compels me. [07:56]
mircea_popescu listen, if smart people don't fuck whores, the poor girls are left with a very poor impression of maledom [07:56]
mircea_popescu it's the duty of any gentleman to fuck a whore at least yearly. [07:57]
asciilifeform !b 2 [07:57]
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* kakobrekla not a gentleman. [07:57]
mircea_popescu well, gives you something to aspire to. [07:57]
mircea_popescu (gentleman scholar might also use fingers) [07:58]
* asciilifeform waits to get shot down over island of whores [07:58]
mircea_popescu you'd make them a cardano ? [07:58]
asciilifeform would try. [07:58]
asciilifeform out of local materials. [07:58]
decimation once in my youth I intercepted a business deal between a hooker and a john using a scanner in the portable-phone frequency range [07:58]
mircea_popescu "and this, my dear girls, is how you make a cnc mill out of menstrual blood" [07:58]
asciilifeform can't be too much harder than - here. [07:58]
* asciilifeform can't help but remember beloved childhood book, 'mysterious island' [07:59]
mircea_popescu decimation seriously, it's unsanitary, this. take the world back, man! [07:59]
mircea_popescu allllll of it. [07:59]
decimation I suspected that she resided in the neighboring trailer park [08:00]
mircea_popescu im sure there must be some nice ones too, somewhere. [08:00]
undata not in maryland [08:00]
mircea_popescu no wai. [08:00]
decimation I'm sure there are high-class hookers somewhere in wash dc, but I suspect they also charge $$$ [08:01]
mircea_popescu so what, you'd rather pay mortgage ? [08:01]
mircea_popescu incidentally, anyone know the etymology of that term ? [08:01]
decimation yeah, you see, that's 'moral' [08:01]
decimation 'on the pain of death' [08:01]
mircea_popescu cause it quite literally says, "tribute to death" [08:01]
asciilifeform in usa, whore market, as i understand, has very tight coupling between product grade and price. [08:01]
decimation when one signs up for a 30 year mortgage it's pretty easy to imagine death coming first [08:02]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform actually, usa is one of the few places where the girls do pro bono work. [08:02]
mircea_popescu bezzle influence. they will charge a derpy usg bureaucrat 2k for an hour, and then take three dudes at some party [08:03]
mircea_popescu where they all got drunk on her money. [08:03]
* asciilifeform hasn't much to add, because to him whores may as well be those wonderful creatures that leave in the 'sea chimneys' at the bottom of the ocean. [08:03]
undata asciilifeform: man don't put that on your dick... [08:03]
mircea_popescu whores in poorer countries are much more careful to charge all entrants. [08:03]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7450 @ 0.00075336 = 5.6125 BTC [-] {2} [08:06]
decimation re:mortgages << walking around london I was surprised to learn that this is less common, much of london is owned by the crown directly [08:07]
decimation so instead property is leased 1000 year terms [08:07]
asciilifeform not entirely unlike u.s. 'fee simple.' [08:08]
decimation right, I think it would be more honest for us 'fee simple' to convert to 'crown leases' [08:08]
asciilifeform go try not paying the crown lease, err, property tax, in usa [08:08]
decimation at least then you would be signing a contract rather than just paying thieves [08:08]
mircea_popescu entirely nominalistic argument anyway [08:08]
asciilifeform aha. [08:08]
mircea_popescu decimation unless you both have equal armies, neither of you is signing any contracts. [08:09]
decimation ghengis kahn wouldn't bother with a contract either [08:09]
asciilifeform call it gang rape, or 'rejuvenative cock therapy', same concept [08:09]
mircea_popescu in romanian, gang means, "underpass". and for a while i thought that's what it meant, rape occuring in such a place [08:10]
decimation lol [08:10]
mircea_popescu only after a while it occurred to me that wait a second, not like these people could know that ?! wtf ?! [08:11]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: consider, e.g., Notzucht. [08:12]
mircea_popescu then i discovered that no, the overpass is not material. [08:12]
asciilifeform very interesting etymology, the germans. [08:12]
decimation that's pretty much the same as german [08:12]
mircea_popescu "Sexualisierte Gewalt" [08:12]
mircea_popescu notice the -ierte. sexualised. [08:12]
asciilifeform who hasn't seen a sign, marked, 'notausgang' - emergency exit [08:13]
decimation heh [08:13]
decimation romanian must have borrowed it, or vice versa [08:13]
mircea_popescu decimation pretty sure romanian stole it. [08:13]
asciilifeform 'emergency breeding' [08:14]
mircea_popescu speaking of romanians raping words (which is what they do) : patent in romanian means a type of pliers. [08:14]
decimation gang (n.) from Old English gang "a going, journey, way, passage," and Old Norse gangr "a group of men, a set," both from Proto-Germanic *gangaz (cognates: Old Saxon, Old Frisian, Danish, Dutch, Old High German, German gang, Old Norse gangr, Gothic gagg "act of going"), from PIE root *ghengh- "to step" (cognates: Sanskrit jangha "shank," Avestan zanga- "ankle," Lithuanian zengiu "I stride"). Thus not considered to be related to go. [08:14]
asciilifeform gang aft a'gley. [08:15]
decimation linguistics is really interesting stuff [08:15]
decimation it boggles my mind that german is related to sanskrit [08:16]
mircea_popescu why ?! [08:16]
decimation I guess it's my built-in 'present bias' [08:16]
asciilifeform and man, to mold, doesn't boggle ? [08:16]
decimation but everything comes from something [08:16]
mircea_popescu all happened before the 1900 middle ages ? :) [08:16]
decimation hehe yeah [08:16]
mircea_popescu !s luxury [08:18]
assbot 83 results for 'luxury' : [08:18]
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decimation lol luxury meant 'sexual intercourse' in the 1300's [08:20]
mircea_popescu it still does, apparently. [08:24]
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ben_vulpes [08:28]
assbot Notes on Increasing the Maximum Bitcoin Block Size (or, "Why it ain't happenin'") [08:28]
ben_vulpes interested to know where i went off the rails with that one [08:29]
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mircea_popescu ben_vulpes will read. [08:38]
ben_vulpes Беркем аль Атоми << i don't even know how to find out more about this short of...learning to read russian. [08:38]
decimation yeah me too [08:38]
ben_vulpes daw you boys are too sweet [08:39]
ben_vulpes I think it would be fantastic to have an appified (derped) way of downloading game of thrones << web browser torrent plugins exist [08:41]
ben_vulpes expend the set of people doing the thing and the copyfascists won't be able to keep up [08:41]
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ben_vulpes who hasn't seen a sign, marked, 'notausgang' - emergency exit << read as "not a us gang" [08:50]
ben_vulpes blinked, remembered childhood german lessons [08:50]
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ben_vulpes ah ha [08:52]
ben_vulpes today i discovered that calibre ships with heuristic processing disabled [08:52]
ben_vulpes thought it was just shitty [08:53]
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ben_vulpes "inside voice" is one of the more useful things to teach a dog: [09:15]
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mircea_popescu [09:23]
assbot Old texts on traditional marriage ; vampirism and gayety. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [09:23]
mircea_popescu i am quite proud of this one. [09:23]
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ben_vulpes oh god a giant trilema linking to other giant trilemas [09:27]
mircea_popescu yeah, it's intended as a two week mindfuck. [09:28]
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ben_vulpes your parents worked less than you and enjoyed their life more << i was just having this conversation with my father [09:30]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes the one thing that jumps at me is that you only got half the 32mb issue. [09:31]
ben_vulpes "when i was your age, i got to work at 8, got off at 5, drank a beer, got on the train, went home and was at home. you poor fool answer emails lo unto 10pm" [09:31]
ben_vulpes do enlighten me [09:31]
mircea_popescu the fact is that it sometimes DOES create 100mn+ responses. [09:31]
ben_vulpes wait hm? [09:31]
mircea_popescu eys. [09:31]
mircea_popescu and nobody even fucking knows exactly when and wherefore all the damned time. [09:31]
ben_vulpes 100mn? [09:32]
mircea_popescu the actual formalisation is, "the largest schlong I can take is ten inches, except 8 and 9 inches hurt and i sometimes take two feet" [09:32]
mircea_popescu mb [09:32]
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ben_vulpes ah [09:32]
ben_vulpes well this'd be the difference between a spec and an implementation, non? [09:33]
mircea_popescu charitably. [09:33]
mircea_popescu it could also be the difference between coding and idiocy [09:33]
ben_vulpes so sometimes the cock is 32mb long, but does the reference implementation accept those messages? [09:36]
ben_vulpes ah sometimes probably [09:36]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: shippments [09:38]
mircea_popescu lol a captain on his shipp [09:39]
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mircea_popescu !s sha256 [09:52]
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mircea_popescu !up Mikayla [09:56]
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mircea_popescu ;;google first steps bitcoin-assets [09:56]
gribble start [bitcoin assets wiki]: ; #bitcoin-assets log: ; Why the IRS Is Taxing Bitcoins as an Asset - The Motley Fool: [09:56]
mircea_popescu there, first link. [09:56]
mircea_popescu ;;ident Mikayla [09:58]
gribble Nick 'Mikayla', with hostmask 'Mikayla!~W@', is not identified. [09:58]
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Mikayla ;;gpg info Mikayla [10:04]
gribble No such user registered. [10:04]
mircea_popescu to go with [10:07]
assbot Mircea Popescu Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. The left is going - [10:07]
assbot Outside in - Involvements with reality » Blog Archive » Chaos Patch (#33) [10:07]
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ben_vulpes holy linkhole batman [10:17]
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ben_vulpes 2 links in; found mr mold [10:24]
fluffypony looks like it's been moderately approved [10:32]
mircea_popescu lol [10:33]
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mircea_popescu ow shit, i skimmed and misrepresented the author's bias. [10:36]
mircea_popescu he's with the trp troop, not with the perpetually frienzdoned sjw troop, is he. [10:36]
mircea_popescu "Examining difference in fertility, it is clear that fertility is primarily controlled by female status relative to their husbands. The more women are subordinated, the higher the fertility. " [10:37]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu? skimming? will wonders never cease. [10:37]
mircea_popescu the shit he links, too... [10:37]
mircea_popescu "examining unrelated events, it is clear that correlation causes causation!" [10:37]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes i mostly skim. [10:38]
ben_vulpes although hey popehat that's a grand resource [10:38]
mircea_popescu that i somehow sitll understand anything is nothing short of miraculous. [10:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00075886 = 6.4503 BTC [-] {3} [10:38]
mircea_popescu "Women want to have sex with the highest status men available (as women perceive male status, which is similar to the way a small evil child raised by cannibal head hunters perceives status) and be supported by men." [10:40]
mircea_popescu fuck, seriously ?! [10:41]
mircea_popescu "Both sides of the war are better off if a cooperate/cooperate equilibrium is coercively imposed." oooo....rly ?! [10:41]
mircea_popescu check it out lol! bwahh [10:42]
mircea_popescu " If men own women, except that they may not resell them, cruelly mistreat them, rent them out, abandon them, nor even allow them to rent themselves out, then both men and women know who their children are and live with their children. The converse system, women owning men, would not work, because men would not know who their children were, would be denied the opportunity to invest in their children, and would theref [10:43]
mircea_popescu ore revolt." [10:43]
mircea_popescu logic. [10:43]
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mircea_popescu ok, this has been worthwhile lmao. [10:43]
ben_vulpes no wait try this one [10:46]
assbot Outside in - Involvements with reality » Blog Archive » The Cult of Gnon [10:46]
mircea_popescu you corrupt me [10:46]
mircea_popescu "“Nature or Nature’s God” is an expression of special excellence, extracted (with subtle modification) from America’s Declaration of Independence." [10:47]
mircea_popescu myeah ok. [10:47]
mircea_popescu The World Started A Day Before I Was Born (tm) [10:47]
bounce re NO_SIGPIPE, the POSIX way appears to be fcntl(O_NONBLOCK) [10:48]
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ben_vulpes aw shit i'm out of wine [11:01]
mircea_popescu better than the alternative! [11:03]
ben_vulpes which'd be too much wine? [11:03]
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mircea_popescu no, wine about being out of shit ? [11:04]
ben_vulpes pah [11:05]
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ben_vulpes !up Vexual [11:06]
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Vexual level 2? [11:06]
ben_vulpes ;;gettrust assbot Vexual [11:06]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Vexual: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: never [11:06]
ben_vulpes ;;gettrust assbot muxne [11:06]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask Vexual!~amnesia@gateway/tor-sasl/vexual. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user assbot to user muxne: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Sun Jun 22 00:11:14 2014 [11:06]
mircea_popescu o.O you lost your citizenship vex ? [11:06]
ben_vulpes hahaha [11:07]
Vexual one day i don't read the logs [11:07]
ben_vulpes ;;rate muxne 1 [11:07]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user muxne has been recorded. [11:07]
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ben_vulpes you're welcome kakobrekla [11:07]
Vexual I knew it was a little naughty, I wasn't expecting that [11:07]
ben_vulpes ;;gettrust assbot ninjashogun [11:08]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user ninjashogun: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -4 via 4 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Thu Jun 26 19:05:58 2014 [11:08]
Vexual good day gents, how goes it? [11:09]
ben_vulpes ;;later tell dmzpkts tell me about ninjashogun's bet failure someday [11:10]
gribble The operation succeeded. [11:10]
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Vexual ;;rate kakobreka 1 straightshooter [11:14]
gribble Error: You do not meet qualifications for entering ratings. [11:14]
Vexual ;;seen pankakke [11:17]
gribble I have not seen pankakke. [11:17]
Vexual do I need a rating to rate? [11:28]
Vexual this is quite more like real life than i realised [11:30]
Vexual ;;rate muxne 1 king of common misconceptions [11:33]
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Vexual ;;rate 1 ben_vuples does web better than you and other stuff too [11:36]
gribble Error: 'ben_vuples' is not a valid integer. [11:36]
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Vexual living up to your nick [11:51]
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Vexual nateable [12:04]
Vexual noteable [12:04]
Vexual you've lerned me some about wot [12:05]
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asciilifeform punkman: can easily use the internals of a regular mouse for the electronics. [22:26]
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* mircea_popescu remebers bacl when regular mouse wasn't usable for optostuff [22:27]
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asciilifeform back when optical mouse needed mirror mat? [22:27]
asciilifeform rather [22:27]
mircea_popescu nah, just had an anal bead at the center [22:28]
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mircea_popescu which you had to clean [22:28]
asciilifeform i own such a mouse, came with a prehistoric 'sun pizza box.' they have very little in common with modern optical mice - simply a pair of photodiodes and matching emitters [22:28]
mircea_popescu yup [22:28]
asciilifeform the mats (originally solid aluminum?) had reflective strips, a la road paint [22:28]
asciilifeform modern optical mouse is actually a b&w camera with some dsp magic glued on. [22:29]
asciilifeform there are even tricks to turn some extant models into a usable 'microscope.' [22:29]
kakobrekla kakobrekla: numpad forever. < i own both, use 'castrato'. [22:30]
kakobrekla anyway, personal preference. lets move on. [22:30]
mircea_popescu [22:31]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: laugh, but in usa there are folks who mod that rifle to take belt. [22:31]
punkman punkbot, status [22:32]
punkbot punkman: No pending deeds | Last bundle 2 hours, 55 minutes, and 50 seconds ago [22:32]
asciilifeform i think BingoBoingo linked to one vendor recently. [22:32]
mircea_popescu o hey so it's good to go punkman ? [22:32]
punkman punkbot, deed [22:32]
punkbot punkman: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle. [22:32]
assbot - [22:32]
punkman mircea_popescu: aya, try it [22:32]
punkman *aye [22:32]
mircea_popescu splendid. anything it doesn't do of the spec ? [22:32]
punkman it hashes bundles in two stages, so you don't have to keep the full bundle around [22:33]
mircea_popescu how's that work ? [22:33]
mircea_popescu holy shit that Mikayla chick is in the wot now ?! [22:34]
mircea_popescu ;;rated mikayla [22:34]
gribble You have not yet rated user mikayla [22:34]
punkman deeds are sha256 hashed, hash is b58encoded, b58encoded hashes of all deeds are joined with ",", that string is sha256'd again and that's the private key [22:34]
mircea_popescu ;;rate mikayla 1 smart woman stuck in modest circumstances. help her get out. [22:35]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mikayla has been recorded. [22:35]
punkman which gives us nice addresses for deeds, [22:35]
assbot Deed kLuzx7GD | #bitcoin-assets deed registry [22:35]
mircea_popescu punkman hm. this is actually an improvement on my spec. who ever thought such possible! [22:36]
mircea_popescu so now, you just gotta keep the bundle set of hashes, and if someone wants to prove his stuff was there, well, bring something that hashes to the hash ? [22:36]
punkbot Bundled 1 deed | [22:36]
assbot Bundle 13VBRJSt | #bitcoin-assets deed registry [22:36]
punkman mircea_popescu: yep [22:36]
* asciilifeform somehow thought that original spec called for precisely this [22:36]
punkman .deed [22:37]
punkbot punkman: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle. [22:37]
mircea_popescu a dozen or so hashes to choose from don't really give any advantage [22:38]
mircea_popescu yeah, this is an improvement. [22:38]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform nah original spec called for keeping all the deeds, as a sort of primitive distributed backup [22:38]
asciilifeform aha hm. [22:38]
punkman anyone wants to keep a mirror, I'll make the thing push bundles to you [22:38]
punkman or maybe I just make an rss feed, possibly filtered by keyid [22:39]
mircea_popescu punkman if you want a dyi mirror, i can give you a cpanel ? [22:39]
mircea_popescu rss feed excellent idea. [22:39]
mircea_popescu so mod6 ben_vulpes, do we have a charter to go in there ? [22:39]
punkman Ragnar will run a mirror on [22:39]
mircea_popescu did kakobrekla delegate jetzt ? [22:40]
mircea_popescu ;;rated punkman [22:40]
gribble You rated user punkman on Fri May 16 09:11:15 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: Talent scout and secret agent.. [22:40]
punkman can I still be secret agent [22:40]
mircea_popescu ;;rate punkman 2 improved on my spec! [22:40]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating for user punkman has changed from 1 to 2. [22:40]
kakobrekla did kakobrekla delegate jetzt ? < it works, no? [22:40]
mircea_popescu punkman nah, your cover was blown. maybe after the operation ? [22:40]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla lovely! [22:40]
punkman punkbot, balance [22:41]
punkbot punkman: Balance at 1LAwrWMbPLLSpt7nkD5Jv1Yf4cwPhD98ny is 0.01647 BTC (-0.00011 unconfirmed), enough for 149 more bundles. [22:41]
mircea_popescu !b 2 [22:41]
assbot Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( ) [22:41]
kakobrekla !d 2 [22:42]
mircea_popescu you two are fucking cute talking to each other :D [22:42]
kakobrekla you know, deed 2. [22:42]
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asciilifeform jurov: consider integrating your turdatron with this bot ? [22:44]
punkbot Confirmed bundle 13VBRJStiTVkJYUrvAdCvFdvFhVecRkb1e | [22:48]
assbot Bundle 13VBRJSt | #bitcoin-assets deed registry [22:48]
jurov asciilifeform: how? generate a deed for every patch? [22:51]
mircea_popescu jurov use it directly to post as a mail list ? [22:54]
mircea_popescu punkman how hard would it be to make it next comments ? [22:54]
mircea_popescu nest* [22:54]
jurov i'd prefer to get real email [22:55]
mircea_popescu i wonder how this'd be best approached. [22:55]
jurov and i don't see a value iin redoing the browsable archives that mailman generates [22:55]
ben_vulpes no sense tangling things [22:57]
jurov you want to set in stone only the patches themselves, no? [22:57]
mircea_popescu yea maybe the best approach here is staying home [22:57]
ben_vulpes should anyone *want* to endeedify their patch, they're welcome to. [22:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24250 @ 0.00075982 = 18.4256 BTC [+] {2} [22:57]
asciilifeform i'd say it would be wise to have the 'who/what' cemented in some form. [22:57]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform well, if the jurovman only accepts inbound from lordsheep list... [22:58]
mircea_popescu it is cemented in a pretty good form [22:58]
jurov i think the request was to prevent later posting of modified (and newly signed) patches by someone [22:59]
asciilifeform aha. [22:59]
mircea_popescu so then who/what/when more like ? [23:00]
jurov autoendeedify can be done in v2 turdatron [23:00]
mircea_popescu lol [23:00]
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asciilifeform when << yes. [23:00]
mircea_popescu ;;ud autoendeedify [23:00]
gribble Google found nothing. [23:00]
mircea_popescu google you know jack shit. [23:00]
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asciilifeform as per kakobrekla's stern warning some weeks ago, a full-bore approach (complete with future gallows) for shitgnomes has the flipside of needing to ensure against ending up swinging there by mistake. [23:01]
asciilifeform 'shall be delivered.' [23:02]
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asciilifeform at any rate, it seems like we're on the path to a 'patch-chain' - so no chance of authorship being permanently obscured, unless everyone somehow manages to lose his backup [23:04]
jurov btw if other people will sign a concrete patch, that prevents later diddling anyway [23:04]
mircea_popescu ^ [23:05]
asciilifeform the signed patches should provide watertight alibis for the innocent, and unquestionable smoking guns for the guilty - but a sufficiently 'pants and suspenders' approach should send a message to enemy against even trying. [23:05]
jurov mpd6 the statutes say nothing of treasurer and his remuneration [23:06]
jurov mod6 ^ [23:06]
asciilifeform lol wait that actually happened? [23:06]
jurov if you unanimously decided there will be one, that is [23:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6250 @ 0.00075658 = 4.7286 BTC [-] [23:06]
asciilifeform who's 'you' ? [23:07]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes ? [23:07]
mod6 yeah, i think it was decided that we'd put that in a seperate document. [23:07]
jurov and you forgot to add satoshi as a cochair [23:08]
asciilifeform who volunteered to contribute to the piggy ? [23:08]
mod6 jurov: heheh [23:08]
mod6 i wish [23:09]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform me, for one. [23:09]
mircea_popescu some other people iirc. [23:09]
asciilifeform aha [23:09]
mircea_popescu unrelated, [23:10]
Duffer1 who volunteered to contribute to the piggy ? >> do i get nifty unique reddit flair for donating? [23:11]
Duffer1 ^.^ [23:11]
asciilifeform satoshi << hilarious gedankenexperiment! if a patch shows up signed with his key, is it to be considered? [23:12]
mircea_popescu Duffer1 maybe you just get lapdances from b-a slut co. [23:12]
mod6 so this is the latest version of the chater: [23:12]
assbot dpaste: 286VJ3N [23:12]
kakobrekla dun worry ascii he is not in level 2 [23:12]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i'd rate him and so there we go. [23:12]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: just that, at this point, his key ought to be presumed as belonging to his executioner. [23:12]
mod6 need to figure out if we should add in jurov or what's happening there. then we need a pub address. [23:13]
mircea_popescu mod6 what's ben_vulpes say ? [23:13]
kakobrekla asciilifeform at which exact point this presumption should be applied? [23:13]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: the 64kbtc question. [23:14]
kakobrekla hehe [23:14]
mircea_popescu i personally dun see it. [23:14]
asciilifeform this would be a most peculiar time for mr. s to come back from the dead. [23:14]
kakobrekla anyway, this signature thing does not make one trust another blindly [23:14]
kakobrekla so check code. [23:14]
asciilifeform attribution is the magic word here, not trust. [23:15]
mircea_popescu undata: and they will spend it how? << don't be silly. every place with intenret has a bitcoin trader by now. [23:15]
kakobrekla you can only flag key, not person. [23:15]
mircea_popescu how do you think they have phones ? tshirts ? [23:15]
mod6 <+mircea_popescu> mod6 what's ben_vulpes say ? << contract afterwards essentially, meanwhile waiting to hear back, just got back. trying to catch up [23:15]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla has it. [23:15]
asciilifeform 'business with keys, sex with people' [23:16]
kakobrekla maybe his executioner writes even better code, on linux. [23:16]
asciilifeform selinux. [23:16]
kakobrekla whatever [23:16]
mircea_popescu maybe all his executioner really wanted is to impress us. [23:16]
asciilifeform lol [23:16]
mircea_popescu it's been known to happen. [23:16]
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mircea_popescu nubbins`: that's actually not bad, only ~425 pages << and suddenly, a feasible appears! [23:17]
* asciilifeform can't help but remember ancient, trashy soviet film about an inventor kid, who builds a magic time-machine thingie from a phone booth, and retrieves, inevitably - grandpa lenin - who smiles and approves of his life [23:17]
mircea_popescu TheNewDeal: but is it likely << somewhat likely yes. [23:17]
mircea_popescu the reason bullet to the head kills is it tumbles, [23:17]
mircea_popescu and the reason .38 is better bullet to head than 45 is same [23:17]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform what'd you do with a time machine ? [23:18]
asciilifeform no tumbling at close range. shockwave - yes. [23:18]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what'd you do with a time machine << lol, obviously, hop in [23:18]
mircea_popescu well yeah but i mean in terms of use. [23:18]
mircea_popescu i think i'd mostly document whore heraldry. [23:19]
mircea_popescu as in, check out the mothers of current pros, and their mothers, and so on. [23:19]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu does not do half-measures! [23:19]
mircea_popescu who the fuck cares about lenin/random celeb. odds are they're overbought. [23:19]
asciilifeform not me. [23:19]
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asciilifeform though i'd succumb to the temptation of popping in to visit mr. tesla, possibly [23:20]
* mircea_popescu does not deliberately check out males he doesn't know. busting into the life of a woman is one thing, but a dude... [23:21]
asciilifeform lulz [23:21]
jurov It is altogether probable that its effects will conflict with all currently established human conventions. << +1 for flair [23:21]
mircea_popescu ;;give jurov flair [23:21]
* gribble gives jurov flair [23:21]
asciilifeform ;;google robert sheckley double indemnity [23:21]
gribble Robert Sheckley short stories bibliography - Wikipedia, the free ...: ; Notions: Unlimited - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; The Art of Leo and Diane Dillon: Robert Sheckley: Double Indemnity: [23:21]
asciilifeform fail. [23:21]
mircea_popescu google is ever more useful. [23:22]
decimation wait you wouldn't murder hitler pre-cog style? [23:22]
* asciilifeform wonders if their 'warez censor' is online now [23:22]
decimation or maybe the Jacobins? [23:22]
asciilifeform decimation: blow away jizzus while yer at it [23:22]
decimation no no he's my God [23:22]
mircea_popescu decimation nop. [23:22]
mircea_popescu i am not particularly against the past. [23:23]
asciilifeform god'll just spit out bullet & smile [23:23]
mircea_popescu maybe just kidnap magda ? [23:23]
decimation good point. [23:23]
mircea_popescu this could make a good comic premise, incidentally. [23:23]
asciilifeform << untested [23:24]
assbot [] Robert Sheckley / - (94 .) [1999 ., PDF/EPUB/FB2/HTM/HTML/DOC/RTF/TXT, ENG] :: (ex [23:24]
mircea_popescu determined guy wants to end christianity in the present, builds time machine [23:24]
mircea_popescu tries EVERYTHING [23:24]
mircea_popescu but nothing works [23:24]
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decimation I've always imagined what would happen if I were marooned in pre-history with a few choice textbooks [23:24]
mircea_popescu until one day he falls in love with the hooker, leaves with her. that does it., [23:24]
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oglafbot [23:24]
assbot Wet Steel [23:24]
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jurov my version would be - he encounters hooker on the other end, fucks her, gets snapped back immediately [23:25]
mircea_popescu << the slow climb of qntra! [23:25]
assbot Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast [23:25]
mircea_popescu jurov immediately and repeatedly ? [23:25]
jurov mircea_popescu: heraldry of whores [23:25]
mircea_popescu what if her suction's stronger than machine ? [23:25]
asciilifeform obligatory time machine: [23:26]
assbot ( 2) () - YouTube [23:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00075658 = 8.5115 BTC [-] [23:26]
mircea_popescu Monthly Uniques 747 US 1.4K Global | This site reaches over 1,169 monthly people, of which 619 (53%) are in the U.S. <<< numbers, right ? why would they need to match. [23:26]
jurov ^ noticed jews have it pretty much down, no loyal wives are named on old testament? [23:26]
jurov *in [23:26]
mircea_popescu what about rachel [23:27]
mod6 lol, the bull is chasing newton [23:27]
asciilifeform (ru film about derpy f-student kid who goes to the past to zap historical notables so he won't have to study them) [23:28]
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TheNewDeal Is that the reverse of Bill and Ted with Keanu Reeves? [23:29]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: master of anything, will have some fucked up organ. << master pimp. [23:29]
asciilifeform no prizes for which organ [23:29]
mircea_popescu prostate ? [23:29]
mircea_popescu *: asciilifeform can't really picture woman playing this game << dude you were in a different ukraine or what ? i have yet to meet a uk chick that doesn't drink. [23:30]
asciilifeform chess not drink. [23:30]
mircea_popescu anything's a good excuse. [23:31]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: there's your mechanism, there. << gotta say the configurable with loopback approach is actually not bad [23:33]
mircea_popescu then people can be really secure built from the ground up by running a coupla vms on the same machine :D [23:34]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it's the primary reason i suggested zapping the toy os ports [23:34]
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mircea_popescu hanbot: haha! where are the burning man btc gizmos anyway, i want a bitonkadonk << wait, i thought you... HAD ONE [23:35]
punkbot Bundled 1 deed | [23:36]
assbot Bundle 171BanmC | #bitcoin-assets deed registry [23:36]
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mircea_popescu Sorry, the requested URL '' caused an error: [23:37]
mircea_popescu Not found: '/raw_bundles/17/171BanmCMde84Zr28Z4EsCzXw4nGZdfPaG.rbundle' [23:37]
mircea_popescu punkbot ^ [23:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7850 @ 0.00075658 = 5.9392 BTC [-] [23:38]
mircea_popescu punkman ^ [23:38]
* asciilifeform configurable with loopback approach << regards the whole orchestra as eminently obvious to anyone who thinks hard, and that all this can be done by the folks here without breaking a sweat [23:38]
punkbot Confirmed bundle 171BanmCMde84Zr28Z4EsCzXw4nGZdfPaG | [23:38]
assbot Bundle 171BanmC | #bitcoin-assets deed registry [23:38]
mircea_popescu << output still unspent, btw. [23:40]
assbot Bitcoin Address 171BanmCMde84Zr28Z4EsCzXw4nGZdfPaG [23:40]
ben_vulpes i was just wondering about that! [23:40]
ben_vulpes where are the script kiddies draining the faucet... [23:40]
kakobrekla just wait for the google to parse logs [23:41]
mircea_popescu not user friendly. [23:42]
kakobrekla the logs? myea. [23:42]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform: ideally, we'd have a patch and a collection of detached sigs of the plain ascii of the patch <<< detached sigs are in fact a reimplementation of the old punch cards [23:45]
mircea_popescu god fucking help you if you drop a stack [23:45]
asciilifeform don't drop the stack. [23:45]
asciilifeform 'doctor, it hurts!' [23:45]
mircea_popescu the drop callback is in the stack api. [23:45]
bounce "here, have some pills" [23:46]
mircea_popescu you don't want me to drop it, do not put it in there. [23:46]
asciilifeform till we have a gpg that clearsigns without escape char mutilation - we got this. [23:46]
mircea_popescu how would it do that ? [23:46]
asciilifeform if i knew - we'd have it. [23:47]
mircea_popescu see ? god hates us. [23:47]
mircea_popescu where's your baby jesus now, decimation ? [23:47]
asciilifeform one possible method - toss the sig in the head of the file [23:47]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform how about fixed offset and padding ? [23:48]
asciilifeform applicable, in that scheme, to the remainder after the ------END... [23:48]
mircea_popescu clearsigned file, always 16kb long, after which the signed matter begins [23:48]
mircea_popescu you know, thinking about this, i think i actyally want pgp reimplemented. usgavin's speshul maths about how things improve make me realise that having a pure rsa based code rather than the current encode a symmetric chypher method is perhaps feasible. [23:49]
mircea_popescu add to that a fixed-offset clearsigned thing, all of a sudden there's good reason to implement [23:49]
asciilifeform << example [23:49]
assbot -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgA - [23:49]
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bounce why do you want pure rsa? [23:50]
mircea_popescu bounce because i can. [23:50]
bounce that's the technology equivalent of "hold my beer and watch this" [23:50]
Apocalyptic by the way are SHA1 gpg-signed messages considered read ? I read somewhere one might rather use sha256 or higher, don't know if there's any merit to that claim [23:51]
Apocalyptic s/read/safe [23:51]
asciilifeform bunchafolks have old keys (incl. yours truly) [23:51]
bounce sha1 is on the way out (don't use for new stuff) but not dead yet (can keep using what you have) [23:51]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform not even. more like this : [23:52]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: your otc key? [23:52]
assbot iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJUPq+fAAoJELmCKKABq//Hw2sH/RHgCQ0d9urUfJXm4T2zjcog FHG4tSmH3WVLO9 - [23:52]
mircea_popescu in that example, a 256 byte fixed sigspace. [23:52]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: same idea [23:52]
mircea_popescu yup. [23:52]
asciilifeform fixed - bad, not everyone has same key length [23:52]
mircea_popescu file is defined as, 256bytes + "##### The following is signed above :"+message. [23:52]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you pad . [23:52]
mircea_popescu hence original 16kb. [23:53]
asciilifeform also eol char variation derpery [23:53]
mircea_popescu no special chars honored. it's all armored. [23:53]
asciilifeform aye, but then why fixed byte strings [23:53]
mircea_popescu Apocalyptic not considered read, but weak digest. good idea to upgrade. [23:53]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform to make it as independent as possible ? [23:54]
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mircea_popescu much simpler machines to work it if it knows a straight offset [23:54]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: that's not the issue. just about everyone is putting ascii through some raper that mutilates unprintables (www browsers, toy operating systems, etc) [23:54]
asciilifeform this wouldn't be a problem except if you have fixed fields [23:55]
asciilifeform which will frame-shift as the contents get procrusted by the idiot code [23:55]
Apocalyptic just noticed that all deeds processed by deadbot are SHA1-hashed so far [23:55]
Apocalyptic which is what gpg produces by default I guess [23:56]
asciilifeform see the 'broken glass' discussion earlier, also. [23:57]
asciilifeform most folks never try 'gnawing through the leather straps,' but once you do - you learn how thick they are. [23:57]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform obviously, since fixed length, it can go back to the end of the file. [23:59]
mircea_popescu proggy gets 65kb file, cuts 16k off its end recursively, spits out 1kb of text signed by 4 people [23:59]
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