Forum logs for 24 Feb 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

BingoBoingo	Domain naming exercise	[00:02]
BingoBoingo	http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/110165322/bj-upton-switches-name-melvin-baseball-history-name-changes	[00:02]
assbot	MLB stas before and after name changes. \| SportsonEarth.com : Tim Healey Article	[00:02]
ben_vulpes	so it seems a good exercise would be to release that list of recipients anyways.	[00:03]
mircea_popescu	i imagine a better question would be to ask why the fuck does this matter.	[00:04]
ben_vulpes	to poke the bear?	[00:04]
decimation	mircea_popescu: don't you think shame is a motivator?	[00:04]
ben_vulpes	to let people pick the density of welfare cases in their area?	[00:04]
mircea_popescu	suppose i discover my next door neighbour receives 10 bn pesos from argentine government each week.	[00:04]
mircea_popescu	so ?	[00:04]
ben_vulpes	it's not you, it's the americans.	[00:05]
mircea_popescu	good for her, i guess. or him w/e.	[00:05]
mircea_popescu	well but see ? russian guy comes into play. "why the fuck wouldn't i take money if i can get away with it ? and why aren't you fucking cheering me for it!"	[00:05]
ben_vulpes	yeah, 's always been my attitude.	[00:05]
decimation	perhaps one component is that folks in the us imagine their tax dollars going elsewhere	[00:05]
BingoBoingo	ben_vulpes decimation Honestly I think people who run up bezzel debt and weaken fiat are heros	[00:05]
mircea_popescu	decimation perhaps the delusion here is that the fucking govt is an enemy not an alter ego ?	[00:06]
mircea_popescu	which is really not the fault of poor/lazy/stupid people	[00:06]
decimation	well, if you think the government is an enemy and confiscates your stuff, what do you think about the guy who is wallowing in the proceeds?	[00:07]
mircea_popescu	in any case it's not "your" tax dollars. it's obama's. he already stole them from you.	[00:07]
mircea_popescu	they're his now.	[00:07]
decimation	yes I agree	[00:07]
decimation	the illusion was thinking that were 'yours' in the first place	[00:07]
mircea_popescu	well wtf do i care, some guy steals some back ? more power to him.	[00:07]
mircea_popescu	i hope he steals it all.	[00:08]
mircea_popescu	a bureaucrat, getting paid "fairly" is a problem, yes. but a leech ? a leech is a revolutionary.	[00:08]
BingoBoingo	!b 3	[00:09]
assbot	Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0S7E9SN.txt )	[00:09]
decimation	there is a large component of america (in the upper classes) that still has a belief that those dollars in their accounts are 'theirs' (in the 'sovereign citizen' sense)	[00:11]
decimation	such an attitude is obviously silly when exposed to any facts	[00:11]
danielpbarron	is it possible to get money from USG without strings attached?	[00:12]
decimation	re: fiat heros < ron paul agrees: http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2015/february/23/the-washington-post-s-gross-mischaracterization-of-ron-paul-s-message/ “Sanity will not return to US leaders until our financial system collapses — an event for which they are feverishly working,” and “Before we can actually restore our liberties, we most likely will have to become a lot less free and much poorer.”	[00:12]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Fmh1HA )	[00:12]
decimation	danielpbarron: well, simply making less than the amount required for the earned income tax credit gives you free money from the irs http://www.irs.gov/uac/Check-Your-Eligibility-for-the-Earned-Income-Tax-Credit	[00:14]
assbot	Check Your Eligibility for the Earned Income Tax Credit ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fmhae2 )	[00:14]
danielpbarron	and you'll need it because that's not enough to live on	[00:14]
decimation	to get the 'whole package', you are going to need to be a minority more than likely	[00:15]
decimation	you want section 8 subsidy for rent (as long as you are poor), food stamps for food (trade stuff on ebay for stuff you want), and medicaid for medical insurance	[00:16]
decimation	the trifecta is social security disability. If you can prove that you are 'unable to work', you will be able to collect social security too	[00:17]
decimation	I think asciilifeform said that the guy who wrote templeos is living on that racket	[00:17]
BingoBoingo	decimation: As TLp notes there are gradients of SSDI and SSI	[00:17]
asciilifeform	to let people pick the density of welfare cases in their area << they already can! (price)	[00:17]
danielpbarron	i'm too lazy for all that work; it's easier to just do something useful in exchange for money	[00:17]
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decimation	danielpbarron: yeah it would take a good year or two of concerted effort to con/harass the appropriate 'social workers' into giving you what you want	[00:18]
decimation	plus if you have any history of working at all, you are not gonna make the SSDI	[00:18]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: ...but a leech ? a leech is a revolutionary. << usg welfare folks aren't leeches, they're employees. (what're they paid for? ask tlp.)	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	ok this is the lulziest thing i read al lweek!	[00:19]
mircea_popescu	http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2008/05/the_new_yorker_writes_about_po.html	[00:19]
assbot	The Last Psychiatrist: The New Yorker Writes About Power ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNYMAa )	[00:19]
mircea_popescu	so these total fuckwits imagine they asked a powerful person to... write on their own fucking forehead ?	[00:19]
mircea_popescu	motherfucker, i don't even wear those idiotic card things.	[00:19]
decimation	asciilifeform: re: what they are paid for << not to riot, is my perception	[00:19]
mircea_popescu	last time i was in an access controlled building they had to provide an intern to run behind me holding my fucking card.	[00:19]
BingoBoingo	;;google truth about SSI	[00:20]
gribble	The Facts About the Social Security Disability Programs \| Donna ...: ; The Ugly Truth About Social Security Is Revealed - Forbes: ; The Hard, Cold Truth About Social Security - Tax- (1 more message)	[00:20]
BingoBoingo	Google fail	[00:20]
asciilifeform	the guy who wrote templeos is living on that racket << terry davis. and schizophrenia is still one of the more reliable ways a white man can get usg payola. though it's still an 'achievement', on part with getting a $1M research grant on your lonesome	[00:20]
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decimation	I'm sure you would need several signed and stamped notes from the 'mental health' chumpatron	[00:21]
BingoBoingo	the guy who wrote templeos is living on that racket << terry davis. and schizophrenia is still one of the more reliable ways a white man can get usg payola. though it's still an 'achievement', on part with getting a $1M research grant on your lonesome << Who knows, if it wasn't for glorious tobacco maybe I'd be on that golden ticket	[00:21]
asciilifeform	the history of never having worked is a plus (though davis worked just once, iirc)	[00:22]
thestringpuller	BingoBoingo: "glorious tobacco" << how so? care to elaborate?	[00:22]
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BingoBoingo	thestringpuller: Nicotine is neuro protective against certain kinds of wetware failure modes	[00:23]
decimation	http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/03/06/exclusive-unmasking-worlds-most-wanted-hacker/ < sabu change employment from welfare division to fbi	[00:23]
assbot	EXCLUSIVE: Unmasking the world’s most wanted hacker \| Fox News ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNZ0rf )	[00:23]
mats	do asians qualify for this free money im hearing about?	[00:24]
BingoBoingo	decimation: Old news	[00:24]
asciilifeform	mats: quite certainly not	[00:24]
mats	or do i have to be hispanic or black	[00:24]
mats	bummer	[00:24]
decimation	mats: unfortunately being asian puts you at the bottom of every welfare list	[00:24]
BingoBoingo	mats: Watch telenovas, pick up the accent, and you can prolly pass as a more obscure flavor of hispanic	[00:25]
mats	u rite	[00:25]
decimation	it's well known that asians must perform several points above average to be admitted to 'elite' schools	[00:25]
thestringpuller	decimation: so in theory welfare is racist to asian people.	[00:25]
mats	i can develop a wicked tan	[00:25]
decimation	in theory 'welfare' is colorblind, but in practice it is meant for particular minorities	[00:25]
mats	yeah that's bullshit	[00:26]
BingoBoingo	mats: Wicked tan, roll your r's, and become one with the lawn mower	[00:26]
decimation	look at the list of 'danger words' on that 'fair housing law' that real estate agents must follow	[00:26]
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decimation	asking your real estate agent if there are "section 8" renters is considered to be 'racist'	[00:26]
mats	i got a 2k+ SAT score, took 10 odd APs and honors classes	[00:27]
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thestringpuller	mats was born after 1988	[00:27]
mats	didn't get into any of my reach schools e.g. columbia	[00:27]
thestringpuller	AMIRITE?	[00:27]
mats	duh	[00:27]
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*	BingoBoingo didn't bother with reach schools, went to desperate schools that needed outliers	[00:28]
decimation	https://web.archive.org/web/20110727142404/http://www.mindingthecampus.com/originals/2010/07/how_diversity_punishes_asians.html " On an "other things equal basis," where adjustments are made for a variety of background factors, being Hispanic conferred an admissions boost over being white (for those who applied in 1997) equivalent to 130 SAT points (out of 1600), while being black rather than white conferred a 310 SAT point advantage.	[00:29]
decimation	Asians, however, suffered an admissions penalty compared to whites equivalent to 140 SAT points. "	[00:29]
assbot	How Diversity Punishes Asians, Poor Whites and Lots of Others ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNZgGs )	[00:29]
mats	jesus christ 300 points	[00:29]
decimation	interestingly, that article was 'disappeared'	[00:30]
BingoBoingo	Well, the black test score bump can be explained entirely by the need to fill a competitive handegg team	[00:30]
mats	i poured >500 hours into sat prep only to get trounced by suffering minorities	[00:31]
mats	woe is me	[00:31]
thestringpuller	mats: hey, we suffering minorities have it tough.	[00:31]
BingoBoingo	mats: You know you could have cheated and taken the GRE instead	[00:32]
thestringpuller	mats: actually asians were a majority at the school I went to.	[00:32]
decimation	thestringpuller: that's why they are 'discriminated' against	[00:32]
mats	me too. good competition, lots of white flight.	[00:32]
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thestringpuller	mats: get that white girl poonani	[00:32]
mats	i get off on it too buttie	[00:33]
mats	the subconscious domination of a white woman that is	[00:33]
thestringpuller	i blame girls gone wild for that	[00:33]
thestringpuller	and dave attell's insomniac	[00:34]
mats	BingoBoingo: i thought that's for grad school?	[00:34]
BingoBoingo	mats: it is. Admissions counselors don't know it is an easier test though	[00:34]
mats	im not following, why would the score be accepted	[00:35]
BingoBoingo	mats: Because idiots run the offices.	[00:35]
decimation	my experience is that grad school, if worthwhile, is usually paid for by employers or usg	[00:36]
BingoBoingo	decimation: We are jsut talking the admissions test now	[00:36]
decimation	yeah, but there are plenty of schools in the 'degree mill' business - designed to collect these dollars	[00:36]
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thestringpuller	"degree mill" sounds a lot like "puppy mill" :(	[00:37]
thestringpuller	luring unsuspecting single moms or something	[00:37]
BingoBoingo	The thing is if you have a brain and can't get a perfect score on the GRE math portion with a BAC under 0.5 I dunno why you'd try college	[00:38]
mats	on the subject, ive been spending my free time with grad students (harvard, fletcher kids) going through IR programs that are feeders to state dept	[00:38]
decimation	mats: see the world, usg pays	[00:38]
mats	ive been playing 'id the spy' for a few weeks and its good fun	[00:38]
BingoBoingo	In the middle west it as more ID the FBI plant	[00:39]
mats	alternatively, 'id the future asset' is also great	[00:39]
decimation	being a usg shill in a foreign country would be depressing as hell	[00:39]
decimation	although they make good money	[00:39]
mats	with hazard pay maybe	[00:40]
BingoBoingo	Because no one at SIUC philosophy or Mizzou's ISLT program was making the CIA	[00:40]
BingoBoingo	being a usg shill in a foreign country would be depressing as hell <, For sure, no point traveling if you can't try 50 shades of poon	[00:41]
decimation	mats: I think they get free housing overseas	[00:42]
mats	you couldn't pay me enough to work in a us embassy	[00:42]
BingoBoingo	Block 326760, Fri Oct 24 05:32:44 2014 was OOM kill as I slept last night of indeterminant length	[00:42]
mats	benghazi parts two through twenty will soon be upon us	[00:42]
decimation	mats: but obama totally has your back	[00:43]
BingoBoingo	I'm just glad I didn't do law school	[00:43]
BingoBoingo	Talk about selling your soul	[00:43]
danielpbarron	speaking of oom, pogo just crashed on height=221870	[00:43]
decimation	BingoBoingo: my understanding is that most lawyers don't make much money at all	[00:43]
BingoBoingo	decimation: They don't at all, and on top of it they have obligations.	[00:44]
mats	depends. patent law and contract litigation is lucrative	[00:45]
mats	for the half of lawyers that happen to be employed, that is	[00:46]
BingoBoingo	Still way too many ways for USG to hang an honest barrister	[00:46]
decimation	mats: yeah but only a small number of lawyers 'matriculate' into those professions	[00:46]
ben_vulpes	they're not terribly hard to get into.	[00:49]
ben_vulpes	demand side is huge from ford, intel et al	[00:50]
ben_vulpes	plus all of the 'support'	[00:50]
ben_vulpes	i saw a company offering to "create research equity" for other companies.	[00:50]
ben_vulpes	apparently they expect one to buy a bit of research and put it on the books.	[00:50]
ben_vulpes	this has made me wonder how much "book value" of these big shops is similarly inflated.	[00:50]
ben_vulpes	oh, and let us not forget the "research and development" tax credits.	[00:51]
asciilifeform	housing and discrimination etc << the bans on 'asking wrong question' were enthusiastically pushed by the real estate racket, who were all too happy to have price become the one and only legal selector	[00:51]
decimation	ben_vulpes: apparently the company R&D budget is now to be used for 'merit washing'	[00:52]
ben_vulpes	decimation: oh yes? this i'm not quite familiar with.	[00:55]
decimation	ben_vulpes: I was reacting to your statement about third parties looking to 'create value'	[00:55]
decimation	presumably, the director of the board knows exactly in which 'third party R&D' to 'invest'	[00:56]
*	ben_vulpes had papers and dollars allocated from the semi testing company for "research and development" that largely consisted of stapling together existing systems and handing the whole package off (with specs and partlists) to the production line engineers	[00:56]
ben_vulpes	i learned much from the sage japanese ee in that shop.	[00:57]
ben_vulpes	also the sage american me.	[00:57]
decimation	ben_vulpes: usg will 'pay' for R&D, so "R&D" is what you get :)	[00:57]
ben_vulpes	actually now that i think of it the bulk of my career has been blessed by sages of various stripes who didn't particularly mind my derping around, or at least found me entertaining enough to tolerate.	[00:57]
ben_vulpes	decimation: probably some of my earliest introductions to the bezzle.	[00:58]
ben_vulpes	actually a funny story related	[00:58]
ben_vulpes	legal caught wind of what i was doing	[00:58]
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ben_vulpes	because i asked them to put an nda together for a vendor i wanted to communicate some things to	[00:58]
ben_vulpes	hounded me incessantly for patent paper work after that point.	[00:58]
ben_vulpes	"but i don't really know that--" "fill out these papers, kid. we'll send you a check and something for your home office wall."	[00:59]
ben_vulpes	'twas an "innovative" ground plane.	[00:59]
mats	http://aje.io/gys3	[00:59]
assbot	Spy Cables expose 'desperate' US approach to Hamas - Al Jazeera English ... ( http://bit.ly/1EpQE5j )	[00:59]
ben_vulpes	granted, hardware in the wild that did the same thing cost ~1000x what i built, didn't work nearly as well.	[00:59]
asciilifeform	mats: in log	[01:00]
ben_vulpes	but a patent for that thing?	[01:00]
mats	guess i needa catch up huh	[01:00]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes probably knows 1) how patents are used in modern usa 2) how patentmeisters in megacorps are incentivized to work quota	[01:00]
decimation	ben_vulpes: my understaning is that patents are pretty worthless	[01:00]
decimation	they are only useful to megacorps when warring	[01:01]
asciilifeform	individual patent is about as useful to the megacorp as a particular cone full of radar chaff in a particular ballistic rocket in a particular underground shaft	[01:02]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: lol i do now.	[01:02]
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decimation	asciilifeform: there are some rare patents that end up being particularly 'valuable'	[01:02]
ben_vulpes	life is educational if you keep your eyes open, what can i say.	[01:02]
decimation	but it's almost always a 'post hoc' situation	[01:02]
asciilifeform	decimation: just like the cone that takes out wash.d.c will prove to be great soviet roi	[01:03]
decimation	heh	[01:03]
asciilifeform	i know several folks who work or have worked at uspto. they will swear that the only -individuals- still seeking patents are certifiable lunatics	[01:03]
decimation	yeah. a patent is perfectly useless unless you have > $10 mil lawyer budget	[01:04]
BingoBoingo	i know several folks who work or have worked at uspto. they will swear that the only -individuals- still seeking patents are certifiable lunatics << I recently considered taking community college classes just to cross the patent examiner threshold	[01:04]
asciilifeform	they end up filing things like this - http://www.google.com/patents/WO2012090213A2?cl=en	[01:05]
assbot	Patent WO2012090213A2 - Resurrection machine - Google Patents ... ( http://bit.ly/1EpRnnb )	[01:05]
decimation	BingoBoingo: it's not a terrible racket, although probably depressing	[01:05]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: terrible salt mine	[01:05]
*	asciilifeform at one point almost ended up there	[01:05]
decimation	my understanding is that roughly %100 of patent examiners hope to graduate to become rich patent lawyers	[01:05]
asciilifeform	https://illuminutti.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/us20050027316-resurrection-burial-tomb.pdf << the patent i was actually looking for	[01:06]
asciilifeform	^ famous	[01:06]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1EpRu27 )	[01:06]
BingoBoingo	Well, patent agent may have been the right label. Slow news day so slipping into the drink.	[01:06]
asciilifeform	^ beautiful illustrations	[01:06]
BingoBoingo	Still sad sad racket	[01:06]
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BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: I like the exact right use of a radiator there	[01:08]
BingoBoingo	lol sheet 26	[01:09]
BingoBoingo	Why am I still alive??? Sheet 26 of 63 is the single lulziest thing I have ever	[01:10]
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decimation	why did some 'tard burn ~$10k for this thing?	[01:11]
BingoBoingo	decimation: The drawing on sheet 26 justifies everything	[01:12]
asciilifeform	decimation: schizo?	[01:12]
asciilifeform	why else	[01:12]
decimation	asciilifeform: maybe he spent his social security disability money on it	[01:12]
decimation	completing the cycle	[01:12]
BingoBoingo	Worth it	[01:17]
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asciilifeform	'To properly evaluate the preposterousness of claimant's position, the	[01:22]
asciilifeform	situation is exactly like a situation where a restaurant listing 200 items	[01:22]
asciilifeform	on its menu would attempt to have content removed from a personal blog where	[01:22]
asciilifeform	a patron listed two items from that menu, that he ate, and that gave him	[01:22]
asciilifeform	enterocolitis, on the grounds that the restaurant has some sort of copyright	[01:22]
asciilifeform	interest in the sublist of two items published by the unfortunate patron.	[01:22]
asciilifeform	While it is directly clear why a restaurant in that position would move to	[01:23]
asciilifeform	suppress the publication, it is nevertheless a fraudulent claim aimed at	[01:23]
asciilifeform	infringing the rights of others.'	[01:23]
asciilifeform	^ mega-l0l!	[01:23]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu ^ where this was even for ? isp ?	[01:24]
asciilifeform	(re: last paragraph)	[01:24]
ben_vulpes	db entries pulled via curl	[01:25]
asciilifeform	aha	[01:25]
asciilifeform	i recall the original trololol	[01:25]
asciilifeform	but where was the above document for ?	[01:26]
asciilifeform	also does dmca really have the provision for 'complainant must sue before date x'? (ianal!)	[01:26]
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asciilifeform	interestingly, even though ianal, i do so enjoy a good hardcopy iso standard (that describes something useful, naturally)	[01:32]
asciilifeform	just got 'ada 95: the language, reference manual, and standard libraries' ansi/iso/iec-8652:1995 in the post	[01:33]
asciilifeform	and it's a work of art	[01:33]
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asciilifeform	the pages are numbered like a bible's	[01:33]
asciilifeform	with paragraph indices	[01:33]
asciilifeform	for citing 'chapter & verse' at n00bs	[01:34]
thestringpuller	!up The20YearIRCloud	[01:34]
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asciilifeform	and the thing has totality, even more so than common lisp - even character sets are included in the standard	[01:35]
asciilifeform	as in, you can actually program without thinking about any building block that isn't in the book...	[01:35]
asciilifeform	the down side is that you get to essentially write in pascal	[01:36]
asciilifeform	(the similarity is more than skin deep)	[01:36]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: So in the newest Batman, the valet is the coldest killer	[02:01]
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asciilifeform	http://glaciergruff.com/Autonetics.htm << historical interest	[02:13]
assbot	My Aerospace Years ... ( http://bit.ly/1LxUJEN )	[02:13]
asciilifeform	^ re: 'golden age' usg	[02:13]
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asciilifeform	'Part of the mathematics of the Kollsman was a search program built into the VERDAN to help the Kollsman find a star, lock on to it, then find a second star and third, to use for triangulation. If I remember correctly, we tracked stars like Canopus, Sirius, and Procyon. I don’t remember for sure. But I do remember that there had to be a most efficient way to find a star. If you knew the time of the day (the G&N could give yo	[02:14]
asciilifeform	u that since it knew Latitude and Longitude), you could find the sun. From the sun, and predetermined celestial positions, you could find the appropriate star in the region. Once you found that star, it was easy find the next one and go back and forth between the two, determining position. Here’s the deal. How do you search for a star, though. The least inefficient way is to use a square pattern. Obviously a diagonal is a cl	[02:14]
asciilifeform	oser distance between two points than a rectangular or square pattern. That still doesn’t help you find a star efficiently once you find the sun and slew to the star. So it was determined that the best, quickest and most efficient search was a “prolate hypercycloid.” I think you’d call it a clover pattern. Actually it is very special search, and with that shape has the highest percentage of quick find of a star of any	[02:14]
asciilifeform	search pattern.'	[02:14]
asciilifeform	^ -analogue- star tracker.	[02:14]
danielpbarron	!up shesek	[02:15]
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asciilifeform	http://www.ebay.com/itm/191476427032 << l0l. must be common if so cheap on junk market	[02:15]
assbot	B 52D Star Tracker Kollsman Automatic Astro Compass Type MD 1 Astro Tracker \| eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1LxV4aD )	[02:15]
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asciilifeform	'We still have a saying, though, when we saw the Soviets building a copy of the Air Craft Carrier Enterprise, right down to the nuts and bolts…if you lose a document, just go to the Soviets. They have copies of all of it. Our security meant absolutely NOTHING.'	[02:22]
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asciilifeform	danielpbarron: gold	[02:43]
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asciilifeform	http://www.eutimes.net/2011/07/russia-downs-us-missile-after-norway-obama-secrets-release << vintage tabloid lulz	[02:47]
assbot	Russia Downs US Missile After Norway, Obama Secrets Release \| EUTimes.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1w5siqB )	[02:47]
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BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: US seems to have surrendered radio quiet	[02:51]
mircea_popescu	decimation: mats: unfortunately being asian puts you at the bottom of every welfare list << yeh azns took ur jerbz.	[02:51]
BingoBoingo	danielpbarron: Bautiful mega lol	[02:54]
danielpbarron	feel free to cite in qntra or w/e	[02:55]
mircea_popescu	mats: the subconscious domination of a white woman that is << wait, you her or her you ? dat ambiguity	[02:55]
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mircea_popescu	mats: benghazi parts two through twenty will soon be upon us << myeah.	[02:56]
mircea_popescu	the dodo bird makes great quarry.	[02:57]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes: this has made me wonder how much "book value" of these big shops is similarly inflated. << from the recovery practice, one would not usually expect more than about 1% of book value to be recoverable through asset sales.	[02:58]
asciilifeform	'The only exception is a plan for more extensive practicing of security response tactics at launch silos, a move that requires signed agreements with owners of the private land on which the missile silos are situated.'	[02:58]
asciilifeform	^ wat!?!	[02:58]
*	asciilifeform ianal but thought 'easements' were sop, even for usg	[02:58]
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asciilifeform	(source: vintage lul, http://nypost.com/2014/05/22/air-force-security-failed-nuke-test )	[02:59]
assbot	Air Force security failed nuke test \| New York Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1w5uHSd )	[02:59]
mircea_popescu	So bad have things become in the United States that one of their top right-wing commentators named Glenn Beck warned his listeners this week that the Obama regime was turning America into a Nazi-like Third Reich and leading the US into a “society of gas chambers”.	[03:03]
mircea_popescu	lawl.	[03:03]
asciilifeform	'crank bait'	[03:03]
mircea_popescu	"Beck’s astounding comments about the Obama regime appear to have merit as London’s Daily Mail is reporting today"	[03:03]
mircea_popescu	pretty good indication of the principle that propaganda works both ways.	[03:04]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ^ where this was even for ? isp ? << well, turns out the datacenter (phoenix nap) refused to forward the counter-notification.	[03:05]
mircea_popescu	they claimed that it's not properly drawn up. meanwhile i discovered that the dc in question (worth ~1.7mn) is actually owned by the same holding company that owns ccbill, which is a "high risk" cc payment processor, which has a business relationship with fetlife.	[03:05]
mircea_popescu	so... we're in settlement talks. which, should they break down, we'll be in court.	[03:06]
asciilifeform	l0l, sp4mc4rdz	[03:06]
mircea_popescu	class action, the works.	[03:06]
mircea_popescu	anyway, a slim chance i end up with my own dc.	[03:06]
asciilifeform	1.7m << peculiarly small dc	[03:06]
asciilifeform	some schmuck's cellar ?	[03:06]
mircea_popescu	net assets.	[03:06]
mircea_popescu	funny how pulling on a thread firmly unravels whole stacks of shit.	[03:07]
mircea_popescu	"i didn't know they stacked shit that high"	[03:07]
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asciilifeform	(where i live, a traditional 19 inch by 40 'u' rack starts at a few $k / mo.)	[03:08]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: also does dmca really have the provision for 'complainant must sue before date x'? (ianal!) << yes. this is what dmca is substantially : dc gets a claim. if customer responds with counterclaim, they forward it to claimant, who has 10 days to show proof they sued.	[03:09]
mircea_popescu	http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap5.html << if you care.	[03:09]
assbot	U.S. Copyright Office - Copyright Law: Chapter 5 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Eq8Mw4 )	[03:09]
asciilifeform	aha	[03:09]
*	asciilifeform always cared about the details of dmca in much the same way as he cares about the precise voltage of the electric chair he will sizzle in: not particularly	[03:09]
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asciilifeform	but here - interesting	[03:10]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Still Maybe 3 mosins max in "collapse" an I have "longline" tower.	[03:10]
mircea_popescu	well, none of these things matter to the layman until they observe another monkey fashion a club out of it and blooding some faces	[03:10]
mircea_popescu	then it's fascianting.	[03:10]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: what kind of blood do you think to get from the stone ?	[03:11]
BingoBoingo	"Murican" society is sinking. Batman's valet tonight was shot by his war buddie.	[03:11]
mircea_popescu	turtles are not made out of stone.	[03:11]
mircea_popescu	they appear so, to men without good clubs.	[03:11]
BingoBoingo	Tortise shel makes the best ornamentation. Also gets sharp once club is used	[03:12]
mircea_popescu	but the general rule of fist is, "nothing manmade can resist arbitrary pounding"	[03:12]
BingoBoingo	(where i live, a traditional 19 inch by 40 'u' rack starts at a few $k / mo.) << I'm contemplating $200/month for offering welded shut case	[03:13]
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asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: iirc, colo facility doesn't care if you weld you case	[03:13]
asciilifeform	(so long as it isn't messily done on the premises, i suppose)	[03:13]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: They don't. Still stl isn't asking 4 digits	[03:14]
BingoBoingo	(so long as it isn't messily done on the premises, i suppose) << If was taking torch to pren]mises would have lance of great concrete cutting	[03:15]
asciilifeform	at any rate, only the lucky fellas like mircea_popescu earn the honour of having a mook sent to physically wriggle inside chassis	[03:15]
mircea_popescu	it's not entirely certain that ever actually happened.	[03:15]
asciilifeform	aha see	[03:15]
asciilifeform	still have to work to earn this.	[03:15]
BingoBoingo	Might be possible in USia asciilifeform but geographical arbitrage is a thing	[03:15]
mircea_popescu	lol @ that log. "widespread adoption", such a red herring.	[03:16]
mircea_popescu	nuclear warheads also failed to reach widespread adoption, such a failweapon.	[03:16]
asciilifeform	welding a server is one of those things that 'feels good' out of all proportion to actual military utility	[03:16]
mircea_popescu	^	[03:16]
mircea_popescu	what exactly is it supposed to do ?	[03:17]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: when done (rarely!) by sane folks, is generally 'part of a balanced diet' involving various vibration/temp/radiation/etc. sensors and rapid key zeroization	[03:17]
mircea_popescu	so your welding really consists of owning the dc.	[03:18]
asciilifeform	to steal from ed felton, 'you can't build a safe that is to be kept in the robber's living room' - except that some folks must anyway, so they craft safes that will set fire to the money at slightest provocation	[03:19]
BingoBoingo	so your welding really consists of owning the dc. << Ideallu solder and powersupply is chozen such that yes	[03:19]
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mircea_popescu	http://36.media.tumblr.com/c888c587c60a5917e2e58830cca6580f/tumblr_mvfuq8PRBY1sqwu1no2_500.jpg << have a nightmare. on me.	[03:19]
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asciilifeform	'what good is a phonecall... if you've no mouth'	[03:20]
BingoBoingo	http://36.media.tumblr.com/c888c587c60a5917e2e58830cca6580f/tumblr_mvfuq8PRBY1sqwu1no2_500.jpg << have a nightmare. on me <, hard to scare people with Par	[03:20]
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BingoBoingo	to steal from ed felton, 'you can't build a safe that is to be kept in the robber's living room' - except that some folks must anyway, so they craft safes that will set fire to the money at slightest provocation << Shoot for Tepco can not cut without fine	[03:21]
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asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: at any rate, if you must, use a standard hand-held spot welder	[03:22]
asciilifeform	the kind with the clamps	[03:22]
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BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: the kind with the clamps << /me usually solders by plumbing rules. More checks less death by inferno	[03:28]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: spot weld, not solder	[03:28]
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BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Who seriously welds a toilet down pipe	[03:29]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: http://www.jamesriser.com/TrialSpot/Weld0001csm.jpg	[03:29]
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asciilifeform	toilet - no	[03:29]
asciilifeform	server - yes	[03:29]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: must understand world here is surplus stupid	[03:30]
asciilifeform	http://www.vista-industrial.com/images/Spot-Welding.gif	[03:30]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/17QPT8e )	[03:30]
asciilifeform	http://hp9000.blogspot.com/2013/06/see-spot-weld.html << make own	[03:30]
assbot	The Hindenburg Principle: See Spot Weld ... ( http://bit.ly/17QQ1EI )	[03:30]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: So most teflon I ever saw in my life... was pulling shifts at Mcdonalds...	[03:31]
asciilifeform	where was the teflon ?	[03:32]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Top side of the clamshell grill	[03:32]
BingoBoingo	Every aspect of "beef" patties was rabot handled	[03:32]
*	asciilifeform the most teflon ever saw is a 1x10 inch rod in his machine room	[03:33]
asciilifeform	yes, you can buy it in machinable rods like anything else..	[03:33]
mircea_popescu	i had teflon wire at some point	[03:33]
cazalla	http://36.media.tumblr.com/c888c587c60a5917e2e58830cca6580f/tumblr_mvfuq8PRBY1sqwu1no2_500.jpg << have a nightmare. on me. <<< sorta reminds me of creepychan	[03:34]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Eqc6r0 )	[03:34]
asciilifeform	phun phact: it bleeds a little HF when machined.	[03:34]
BingoBoingo	Mcdonalds used teflon in sheets to substitute heat for hygeine at any opportunity	[03:34]
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BingoBoingo	But sheets of teflon on clamshell grill, genius	[03:36]
cazalla	do they do the mccafe thing in america?	[03:37]
BingoBoingo	They try	[03:37]
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asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: the rod is milk-white and very smooth, slippery.	[03:41]
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BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Actually that... Not a thing	[03:41]
mircea_popescu	!up agentbob	[03:43]
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BingoBoingo	Nt aware enough to do right	[03:46]
cazalla	wish i had the sense to do that the other night lol	[03:52]
cazalla	i'm taking a sabbatical from drinking in any case	[03:53]
cazalla	(yeah, heard that before)	[03:53]
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chetty	http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology-science/technology/wi-fi-spy-barbie-records-childrens-5177673	[13:53]
assbot	Wi-fi "spy" Barbie records children's conversations - and could be a target for hackers, say experts - Mirror Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1A3zFPJ )	[13:53]
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mircea_popescu	https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net o.O	[13:53]
assbot	Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast	[13:53]
mircea_popescu	nice going BingoBoingo cazalla lol	[13:53]
*	BingoBoingo guess bump was going to be between 2k and 30k, hit the exact middle	[13:54]
asciilifeform	http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000050.html	[13:54]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1A3zRyp )	[13:54]
asciilifeform	^ reposted	[13:54]
mike_c	logs are failing me. what was the big hit on qntra?	[13:55]
mircea_popescu	mike_c the name&shame of vcs that did superfish was on slashdot etc	[13:55]
mike_c	ah	[13:55]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform nice.	[13:55]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron btw, there should be NO references. all text referenced by url should be quoted in the instructions, and link to original.	[13:56]
asciilifeform	statically linked!	[13:56]
nubbins`	beauty!	[13:56]
mircea_popescu	quite.	[13:56]
danielpbarron	k	[13:57]
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nubbins`	not coincidentally, footnotes would be an adequate substitute ;p	[13:57]
mircea_popescu	qntra is like, headed for trilema traffic levels.	[13:57]
mircea_popescu	i guess it'll soon surpass it.	[13:57]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` :p	[13:58]
nubbins`	XD	[13:58]
nubbins`	mischievous tuesday	[13:58]
mircea_popescu	so ridoinculous btw. there was a time, 10-15 years ago, when something like this would have taken a site down.	[13:59]
mircea_popescu	not anymore. the ddos back in sept was what, 100 to 1k x more visible in server logs.	[14:00]
mike_c	it was nice of that guy to do load testing for qntra.	[14:00]
BingoBoingo	!b 3	[14:00]
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mircea_popescu	i guess so huh.	[14:00]
mircea_popescu	but people readily ignore this fact. normal traffic ? x ; being linked by all the internet ? ax. being ddosed ? bx.	[14:01]
mircea_popescu	where a < 100 and b / a > 100.	[14:01]
mircea_popescu	which both shows the absolute loss of gatekeeper power on one hand and the massive decrapification of the software on the other.	[14:02]
thestringpuller	facebook wants to be the new gatekeeper	[14:02]
thestringpuller	but it's like watching retarded kid on playground wanting to be leader one day as he eats glue.	[14:03]
BingoBoingo	scoopbot -fetch	[14:03]
scoopbot	New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/half-million-dollar-ransom-made-in-bitcoin/	[14:03]
thestringpuller	bad scoopbot	[14:03]
thestringpuller	Good scoopbot :D	[14:03]
mircea_popescu	it's just... what it meant being on rotten, or maddox, or drudge coupla decades ago is completely unrelated to what it means being on slashdot, reddit, or w/e today.	[14:04]
mircea_popescu	sort-of like the difference between being a star in hollywood cca 1955 vs being "a star"/waitress in a la diner today.	[14:04]
mircea_popescu	or, for that matter, being times man of the year in 1966 vs being times man of the year in 2006.	[14:04]
nubbins`	there were less men back then	[14:05]
nubbins`	which isn't the point, but a fact nonetheless	[14:05]
mircea_popescu	well that may be. there were certainly less retards chasing the "Social media" dragon.	[14:05]
BingoBoingo	nubbins`: No, there were more men	[14:06]
nubbins`	i'm talking humans with penises	[14:06]
mircea_popescu	there were more women, is fo sho. lotta girlies today.	[14:06]
mircea_popescu	some of them 40+yo.	[14:06]
nubbins`	you pedants!	[14:06]
BingoBoingo	nubbins`: I'm discounting functional retards from that set	[14:06]
nubbins`	natch	[14:06]
mircea_popescu	new pick=up line. "i'm a pedant. wanna wear my pendant ?"	[14:07]
nubbins`	things were more novel back then, too	[14:07]
nubbins`	you think elvis would be the fuckin king if he was born in 1996?	[14:07]
mircea_popescu	he would still be fat	[14:07]
mircea_popescu	phat*	[14:07]
nubbins`	he'd be nobody	[14:07]
nubbins`	because there's no barrier to entering "the" "music" "biz"	[14:07]
mircea_popescu	see ? it was all captn sanders. i keep sayin' it...	[14:08]
nubbins`	all those quotes are intentionally separate	[14:08]
*	mircea_popescu googled it. turns out the man's name was Marvel Jr.	[14:08]
mircea_popescu	no, fuck wrong one. who the fuck was his owner ?	[14:09]
mircea_popescu	iirc elvis was proper collared and everything.	[14:09]
nubbins`	they all were	[14:09]
mircea_popescu	colonel Tom Parker. there we go.	[14:09]
nubbins`	well y'see boys we've got this here fancy recoahdin' studio	[14:10]
nubbins`	guy was taking half by the end, wasn't he?	[14:10]
mircea_popescu	yea	[14:11]
nubbins`	born andreas cornelis	[14:11]
mircea_popescu	elvis was dumb as rocks, if reports are to be trusted.	[14:11]
nubbins`	now there's an american name	[14:11]
mircea_popescu	nah he was finish or danish or something.	[14:11]
nubbins`	no kidding. ever see the dude's movies?	[14:12]
nubbins`	dutch	[14:12]
mircea_popescu	yes, actually, saw a coupla.	[14:12]
nubbins`	oh. andreas cornelis /van kuijk/.	[14:12]
nubbins`	that's dutch, alright	[14:12]
nubbins`	i recall seeing one of the flicks at some god-awful "grand ole" type place in the southern usa	[14:13]
nubbins`	elvis smoking a cigarette while working under a car	[14:13]
nubbins`	then shimmying with the ladies on the beach!	[14:13]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu> elvis was dumb as rocks, if reports are to be trusted. << And drugged all to hell. Owner screwed the pooch on that one.	[14:14]
mircea_popescu	he has all the sexual projection of a highschool retard.	[14:14]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo i may be like, the first owner in human slavery history to actually discourage drug use by teh chattel.	[14:14]
nubbins`	"braaaaaaiiih!" -elvis	[14:14]
mircea_popescu	owner was just buying ibm in elvis' case.	[14:14]
BingoBoingo	he has all the sexual projection of a highschool retard. << "non-threatening" 1950's USia was retarded in this way	[14:14]
nubbins`	"hurmalurmalurm" -elvis	[14:14]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo that IS true.	[14:15]
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mircea_popescu	nubbins` Jailhouse Rock was ok as far as that goes.	[14:16]
mircea_popescu	he made a bunch of "good for blowjobs" movies.	[14:16]
mircea_popescu	russ meyer, like.	[14:16]
nubbins`	actually what i've been humming since that "braaaaaaaih" earlier	[14:16]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[14:17]
nubbins`	hm, accidentally opened windpipe while drinking	[14:17]
nubbins`	brb paper towels	[14:17]
mircea_popescu	he played the most fucktarded names too. deke. vince. etc	[14:17]
mircea_popescu	i think he was a chad once too	[14:18]
mircea_popescu	todd gack mysteriously missing.	[14:18]
nubbins`	the other day i watched a docu about a florida election worker who was lynched	[14:20]
nubbins`	"hanging chad", 3/5	[14:20]
pete_dushenski	scoopbot -fetch	[14:20]
mircea_popescu	by elvis ?	[14:20]
nubbins`	rimshot.mp3, just kidding	[14:20]
pete_dushenski	;;later tell peterl who do i have to blow to get contravex and scoopbot talking to each other ?	[14:20]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[14:20]
nubbins`	pete_dushenski yourself, paste imgur here	[14:21]
pete_dushenski	well why didn't you just say so ? ;)	[14:21]
mircea_popescu	lol	[14:22]
nubbins`	what was it, mad men? "who'd you have to fuck to get this office?" "myself"	[14:22]
BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski: Probably the best way to solve this problem is to look at how blogs that play nice with scoopbot do RSS and crib off of that	[14:22]
pete_dushenski	http://www.contravex.com/feed/ << doesn't work somehow ?	[14:23]
assbot	Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1A3DeWm )	[14:23]
mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski maybe your rss feed's too long ?	[14:24]
pete_dushenski	weird thing is: bablogs.btcscoop.com seems to have no problem with it	[14:25]
BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski: Maybe like thestringpuller's it is missing a field?	[14:25]
pete_dushenski	i just noticed that each article in the feed was set to show "full text"	[14:26]
pete_dushenski	now chaned to "summary"	[14:26]
pete_dushenski	changed	[14:26]
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pete_dushenski	in any event: http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/24/this-is-how-we-date-now-because-this-is-how-we-fail-now/	[14:27]
assbot	This is how we date now because this is how we fail now. \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1JHOPp4 )	[14:27]
pete_dushenski	"Erik is a famous individual of the Bitcoin community online forum (screen title- evoorhees), as well as presently benefits Coinapult, derived in Panama." << lulziest spam comment i ever did see	[14:28]
pete_dushenski	posted on my paper wallet guide, which in no way mentions voorhees	[14:28]
mircea_popescu	prolly spun text	[14:28]
pete_dushenski	a must be that	[14:29]
mircea_popescu	(what the bots do these days is crib facebook for textual content, hack it together and use it as spam filler to fool bayesian filters. which are STILL a stupid fucking idea)	[14:29]
mircea_popescu	scoopbot -fetch	[14:29]
pete_dushenski	i seem to recall there being a trilema on spam filtering	[14:30]
mircea_popescu	a few yeh	[14:30]
pete_dushenski	http://trilema.com/2013/effectual-spam-filtering-for-wordpress/	[14:30]
assbot	Effectual spam filtering for WordPress pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1A3DXXm )	[14:30]
pete_dushenski	^ the one i was thinking of	[14:30]
mircea_popescu	aha sounds like it	[14:31]
BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all	[14:36]
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mircea_popescu	that article of course was in 2013. meanwhile it's no longer 18`219 spam comments out of 96`421 total, it's 29`704 out of 112`367 total.	[14:37]
nubbins`	anyone happen to have familiarity with zero-tuition universities, specifically euro ones, specifically how they came to ditch tuition?	[14:38]
mircea_popescu	so they did go from under 20% to over 20% in the interval.	[14:38]
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pete_dushenski	nubbins` probably donations from alumni	[14:38]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` generally you don't have to pay if you're very very good. at least the ones i'm familiar with.	[14:38]
nubbins`	hmm	[14:39]
mircea_popescu	same reason women don't have to pay to go to a club, especially if they go naked.	[14:39]
nubbins`	i mean like countries where post-secondary is free, for everyone	[14:39]
mircea_popescu	that doesn't exist irl.	[14:39]
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mircea_popescu	used to be, but soviet russia & friends.	[14:39]
pete_dushenski	if it did, it'd just be grades 13-17	[14:39]
nubbins`	i feel like an educated populace isn't a terrible idea, as long as it's educated in things that aren't fucking out to lunch	[14:40]
mircea_popescu	the way to do that is forbid louts from having sex.	[14:40]
nubbins`	i.e. your ph.d. in medieval folklore would definitely not be free	[14:40]
nubbins`	available, perhaps, if there are enough of you to pull a couple classes together	[14:40]
mircea_popescu	nah, that i can see paying for. what i can't see ever paying for is "social studies", "womens studies" etc.	[14:41]
mircea_popescu	ie, "things with political importance".	[14:41]
nubbins`	so suppose we say "free university for anyone who wants to study STEM"	[14:41]
nubbins`	but it's not free	[14:41]
nubbins`	because if there wasn't a catch, it'd just be a boondoggle	[14:41]
mircea_popescu	stem should in principle never be free.	[14:42]
mircea_popescu	because the only reason it exists is that it's useful. if useful can't pay useful can go hang.	[14:42]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile, things that exist because thery're beautiful may get a pass.	[14:42]
pete_dushenski	free stem turns to religion	[14:42]
mircea_popescu	^	[14:42]
nubbins`	instead, it's the same cost it is now, except the government would pay the minimum monthlies on your student loans for as long as you remain in (the province, city, state, w/e)	[14:42]
mircea_popescu	think about it. who will remain ?	[14:42]
mircea_popescu	all the schmucks that can't leave.	[14:43]
mircea_popescu	why do you want them ?	[14:43]
mircea_popescu	this is exactly like suicide : the people who succeed we want. the people who fail should have succeeded.	[14:43]
nubbins`	hm.	[14:44]
punkman	nubbins`: i mean like countries where post-secondary is free, for everyone << Greece is one	[14:44]
nubbins`	why, indeed, would i want a bunch of fresh grads kicking around	[14:44]
nubbins`	punkman AAH FINE FORGET IT	[14:45]
nubbins`	D:	[14:45]
punkman	;)	[14:45]
mircea_popescu	punkman what, srsly ?	[14:45]
mircea_popescu	no grade requirement, no nothing ?	[14:45]
punkman	yep, 4 year degrees, masters, PHDs	[14:45]
punkman	no there are grades	[14:45]
mircea_popescu	no but i mean, do you qualify for free degree irrespective of any exam, grades, etc ?	[14:46]
mircea_popescu	you just need a pulse /	[14:46]
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punkman	as in "uni entrance national exams" grades	[14:46]
punkman	yes just pulse	[14:46]
mircea_popescu	ah well.	[14:46]
mircea_popescu	um.	[14:46]
punkman	and until now you could take 10 years to do 4 year degree	[14:46]
mircea_popescu	well which is it!	[14:46]
mircea_popescu	heh. greece, the least rich eu country, adheres to nubbins` ideals!	[14:46]
punkman	there are grade requirements for entry into uni, based on demand	[14:47]
nubbins`	speak not of my ideals!	[14:47]
mircea_popescu	naked woman just bent to pick up my garbage. i forget, what were we saying ?	[14:47]
punkman	if you get in, it's all free. might have to pay for some books these days	[14:47]
mircea_popescu	anyway. this is kind-of how it worked in all teh warsaw pact. except back then people actually had nothing better to do with their time, (LIKE IN A PRISON, ALF!) so they studied.	[14:48]
mircea_popescu	and read and like, bought classical records.	[14:48]
nubbins`	anyway outmigration is a big thing here	[14:50]
nubbins`	and the usual is to get a degree (cheapest in the country!) and then fuck off	[14:50]
mircea_popescu	yeah but this can't be fixed administratively.	[14:50]
nubbins`	no kidding	[14:50]
pete_dushenski	nubbins` outmigration out of maritimes or out of the country ?	[14:51]
nubbins`	like you said, if the $150/mo student loan payment is the thing keeping someone here...	[14:51]
mircea_popescu	if you want to fix it, what you do is, you pick a pimp, give him legal immunity for a decade, let him build cabaret street.	[14:51]
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nubbins`	pete_dushenski out of twodogland, specifically	[14:51]
mircea_popescu	bare cunts dancing!	[14:51]
pete_dushenski	nubbins` ya well administration after graduation is very much closing the barn doors after the horses have left	[14:52]
nubbins`	in other news, the whole "we have oil, let's spend money" thing has given way to "the price of oil is out of our hands, let's aww fuck it's too late"	[14:52]
pete_dushenski	admin before getting in (barriers to entry) can work	[14:52]
nubbins`	the school system is a pretty big barrier to entry	[14:52]
mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski the only thing that can work is making the place be cool. merely "not suck" is not good enough.	[14:53]
mircea_popescu	have "toss the feminist" festivals, people (that aren't retards) may wanna come.	[14:53]
nubbins`	it is cool, but it just can't pay manual laborers $70k/year	[14:53]
mircea_popescu	otherwise... whatever, anonimity is hard.	[14:53]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` lol the other kinda cool.	[14:53]
nubbins`	it is the other kind ;(	[14:54]
mircea_popescu	no it's not lmao.	[14:54]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2015#1031876 << good point.	[14:54]
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mircea_popescu	im curious too, vicariously. if you figure it out say.	[14:55]
pete_dushenski	i'd argue that uni is currently very 'cool'	[14:56]
pete_dushenski	or at least fashionable	[14:56]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` how did you get the idea twodogs is cool as in, someone'd want to move there as a thing to do, rather than "whatever, they are giving out money here"	[14:56]
pete_dushenski	this seems to accomplish the objective of keeping an inflated population off the streets and little more	[14:57]
mircea_popescu	uni being cool don't enter into it. florida and arizona party schools are very cool, i would visit, i would not ever stay lmao	[14:57]
pete_dushenski	ok so 'the place' isn't uni ? what is it ?	[14:58]
mircea_popescu	back when new york was cool, it was principally broadstreet.	[14:58]
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mircea_popescu	generally, it's the "bare cunts dancing" district that makes or breaks a city's cool.	[14:58]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu i'll blithely respond by gesturing to all the people in my life who came here by chance and never left again 8)	[14:59]
mircea_popescu	you just opened yourself for a pile of rocks thrown eh.	[14:59]
mircea_popescu	any cool people among them ?	[14:59]
pete_dushenski	so you'd want to visit nyc then	[14:59]
nubbins`	none as cool as, say, you	[14:59]
pete_dushenski	but like arizona state or w/e, not stay	[14:59]
mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski incredibly enough, it's not how that works.	[15:00]
mircea_popescu	somehow "cuntslime on every rock" makes a place want you to stay. which is exactly why las vegas exists.	[15:00]
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pete_dushenski	so cities =! schools	[15:00]
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pete_dushenski	but vegas is also god awful	[15:01]
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pete_dushenski	pretty much on par with nyc	[15:01]
mircea_popescu	how awful it is has no bearing on how cool it is. new york sucked at all points.	[15:01]
mircea_popescu	so did london, so did rome. etc.	[15:01]
mircea_popescu	http://www.zdnet.com/article/google-bans-explicit-adult-content-from-blogger-blogs/ << heh. aren't you glad you followed trilema biases and never touched that shit.	[15:03]
assbot	Google bans 'explicit' adult content from Blogger blogs \| ZDNet ... ( http://bit.ly/1ae1osl )	[15:03]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu seems like this is also how calgary is cool but largely sucks	[15:04]
mircea_popescu	i don't think it ever reached the level. i mean it's been trying, ever since the 80s winter games etc. but...	[15:04]
mircea_popescu	it's not easy, being cool.	[15:04]
pete_dushenski	it's endlessly sprawling and full of self-important consumers, but the stampede draws out the ladies	[15:05]
mircea_popescu	this is in no sense what i said, however.	[15:05]
mircea_popescu	ladies that take "drawing out" are the anticool.	[15:06]
pete_dushenski	ha!	[15:06]
pete_dushenski	well said	[15:06]
pete_dushenski	in that sense, it's really only vegas that strikes me as a cool place on the continent	[15:07]
mircea_popescu	not really, not anymore. not since hughes bought the cool people out.	[15:07]
mircea_popescu	http://hwcdn.net/t3r3e5a7/cds/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/240215tsa1.jpg << in other news... tsa now outsourcing their idiocy to airlines.	[15:07]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1ae2Zyc )	[15:07]
mircea_popescu	because hey, why should you get blamed for doing something stupid ? force others to do it for you!	[15:08]
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pete_dushenski	in the sense that cool is relative, vegas, for all its abhorrence, is still cooler than whatever else there is	[15:08]
pete_dushenski	by your definition	[15:08]
mircea_popescu	https://tsaoutofourpants.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/corbett-v-tsa-iii-petition.pdf some corbett dude is really going after teh tsa.	[15:08]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1ae3hVO )	[15:09]
mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski i can see that point yeah.	[15:09]
mircea_popescu	problem is, it's like money : either you have fully monetized cool, and then it's cool and that's that, suck it.	[15:09]
pete_dushenski	re: tsa outsourcing, 'tis basically just el-al protocol	[15:09]
mircea_popescu	or else you have partially unmonetized cool, and then there's different cools vying. like, las vegas is the cool for people like liz blakely. however, san diego is the cool for people like leah mcfuckface, what's her name	[15:10]
mircea_popescu	the dumb newsweek goon that "discovered" satoshi	[15:10]
pete_dushenski	even qantas did this recently: 'are you carrying more than $10k in monies' and 'are you a tewowist' thing	[15:10]
pete_dushenski	mcgrath ?	[15:11]
mircea_popescu	such nuts. "wtf dude it's not your business how much money i got"	[15:11]
mircea_popescu	yeah that.	[15:11]
pete_dushenski	super such nuts.	[15:11]
pete_dushenski	felt like they were trying to protect their dollar from alien invaders or something	[15:11]
pete_dushenski	el-al at least sticks to 'oh so you were on kibbutz for 2 months, what's the hebrew word for milk ?'	[15:12]
pete_dushenski	qantas was a whorish imitation	[15:12]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2015#1031906 << wtf nation of fucking otakus over there or what ?! it's like the 5th grade, "o may gawd he grabbed her butt!!" of fucking course he did. what did you think it's for ?	[15:12]
assbot	Logged on 24-02-2015 15:34:42; BingoBoingo: So... Team hilary is really etting a head start on the primary season http://www.dorkly.com/post/72803/is-joe-biden-too-touchy-feely-with-anime-school-girl-constituents	[15:12]
mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski "it wasn't a diary kibbutz, it was a bombs and explosives kibbutz. DIE GREAT SATAN!!!"	[15:13]
pete_dushenski	lmao!	[15:13]
pete_dushenski	p.s. who is liz blakely ?	[15:14]
mircea_popescu	a decade or w/e ago i last visited the us, they wanted to know if i have any real clothes.	[15:14]
mircea_popescu	i guess this qualifies in the same line. but at least it was fucking customs, not the airline.	[15:15]
mircea_popescu	honestly, it looked more like a private concern of the guy's.	[15:15]
pete_dushenski	'real clothes' ? wtf is that ? were they suspicious of the gypsy with money braided in his fro ?	[15:15]
mircea_popescu	lol. i had suits and white shirts etc.	[15:15]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Did you not have your TSA approved paper gown?	[15:15]
mircea_popescu	i never saw the tsa, somehow.	[15:16]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2015#1031908 << very desirable, as shown by the infantile giggling reaction to even a faint whiff.	[15:16]
assbot	Logged on 24-02-2015 15:36:32; jurov: virile males are completely undesirable in usg	[15:16]
mircea_popescu	"In any business, including the Federal Government" << check it out ?! it's a business now ?	[15:18]
mircea_popescu	"we're in the business of fucking shit up!"	[15:18]
*	pete_dushenski would love to see the catholic church, or similar, admit the same	[15:20]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2015#1031922 << this is fucking insane. "federal employees are not overpaid because federal govt is a business except it's not a business, and other businesses that are businesses skew the business average data!!!! federal employees are not overpaid by comparison to federal employees, in fact thjere's a perfect 1:1 correspondence"	[15:28]
assbot	Logged on 24-02-2015 15:51:13; mats: http://news.clearancejobs.com/2015/02/21/federal-workers-overpaid	[15:28]
mircea_popescu	where the fuck do these idiots go to school ? clearly it must be a special venue.	[15:28]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2015#1031939 << duh.	[15:29]
assbot	Logged on 24-02-2015 16:36:29; asciilifeform: -somebody-'s been reading the logs.	[15:29]
pete_dushenski	especially when it pops up so readily on teg googles	[15:34]
pete_dushenski	the lulzy thing about federal, and other gov employees, is that they think they're underpaid!	[15:34]
mircea_popescu	well they ARE doing a great job at fucking shit up	[15:35]
pete_dushenski	they imagine that private contractors, who charge millions of dollars for various and sundry services, are making mad bank	[15:35]
mircea_popescu	that's not the problem.	[15:35]
pete_dushenski	while the private ceo's might be, the average gov emplyee is better paid and works less than the private contractor	[15:36]
mircea_popescu	they imagine that if they were in the private sector, they'd be contenders for vp of jpm	[15:36]
mircea_popescu	rather than struggle to make it as a janitor at mcd.	[15:36]
pete_dushenski	lol right	[15:36]
mircea_popescu	just like pansy ass middle class priss imagines if she were a street hooker she'd dazzle everyone with her charms.	[15:36]
pete_dushenski	the only published salaries for private employees are 7 figures	[15:36]
mircea_popescu	and on it goes.	[15:36]
pete_dushenski	and they imagine that their 6 would become 7 if only they were paid what they're worth	[15:36]
pete_dushenski	and yet, they don't leave	[15:37]
mircea_popescu	part of the problem is that they have plenty of time to daydream.	[15:37]
mircea_popescu	which is how bad 'regulations" come about too.	[15:37]
pete_dushenski	'this is how it COULD work'	[15:37]
pete_dushenski	they'd be better off writing children's books	[15:37]
mircea_popescu	as long as no children actually read the abominations.	[15:38]
pete_dushenski	which, i suppose is what gov regulations really are	[15:38]
pete_dushenski	they're for the child-at-heart-and-at-head	[15:38]
pete_dushenski	so 'think of the children' is perfectly valid in this la-la-land because it equates to 'think of me'	[15:39]
pete_dushenski	and what child doesn't think that they're the centre of the known universe ?	[15:39]
pete_dushenski	hint: one without parents	[15:39]
mircea_popescu	http://41.media.tumblr.com/850b5f8b02361ba9af41da92e628c270/tumblr_n2m23xkF1l1s9749uo9_1280.jpg one. http://41.media.tumblr.com/5eaa8bc7affa0a7bbfd1a3cb7b611a9c/tumblr_n2m23xkF1l1s9749uo6_1280.jpg two http://41.media.tumblr.com/5b8e0f5dcf3de1f5a64b9080bd4d4b7e/tumblr_n2m23xkF1l1s9749uo3_1280.jpg three	[15:39]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1BO2si3 )	[15:40]
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gabriel_laddel	And also for the American Universities the tide may be turning. Traditionally they have been asked to train the work-force for the American industry, while the question of educating the industry so as to be worthy of their graduates was left untouched. But, currently, companies in Silicon Valley seem to be folding up at a higher rate than they are erected. I consider that good news because it could drive home the me	[15:42]
gabriel_laddel	ssage that neither slogans like "knowledge-based decision aids", nor a combination of adhoccery and brute force will do the job. (It is regrettable that large groups only come to their senses after their day-dreams have turned into nightmares but, this being so, we should occasionally welcome the nightmares.)	[15:42]
gabriel_laddel	-- http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/transcriptions/EWD08xx/EWD898.html	[15:42]
assbot	E.W. Dijkstra Archive: The threats to computing science (EWD898) ... ( http://bit.ly/1D8bF05 )	[15:42]
mircea_popescu	ahahahaha	[15:42]
mircea_popescu	wait wait, the industry is to be trained to be worthy of all the outpouring social studies experts ?	[15:42]
mircea_popescu	epic.	[15:42]
mircea_popescu	yes, silicon valley is going to fail. this is BECAUSE OF US. nothing else.	[15:43]
gabriel_laddel	bonus: http://www.shadbase.com/smells-like-teen-spirit/	[15:43]
assbot	Shädbase - Smells Like Teen Spirit ... ( http://bit.ly/1D8bQIS )	[15:44]
mircea_popescu	no doubt in my mind they'll actually do it. nothing else they could do.	[15:45]
mircea_popescu	such glorious.	[15:45]
mircea_popescu	wasn't dijkstra dead tho ?	[15:46]
gabriel_laddel	nah, he lived until into the 2ks iirc	[15:47]
mircea_popescu	1984 speech	[15:47]
mircea_popescu	well, in THAT context his quote means substantially something else than what i took it to mean, made 30 years later.	[15:47]
gabriel_laddel	eh, not much has changed in the intervening years. s/moocs/knowledge-based decision aids	[15:52]
gabriel_laddel	"the tumor has grown"	[15:52]
gabriel_laddel	surprise	[15:52]
mircea_popescu	a lot has changed actually. in 1980s the battle was on to get ibm to stop fixating on "ibm men wear suits" to the detriment of all else.	[15:52]
mircea_popescu	today the issue is more "who is going to deliver the 500`000`000 beatings needed by these idiot kids"	[15:53]
gabriel_laddel	Hm. Seems to me that it	[15:53]
gabriel_laddel	's the same problem. Lack of contact with reality. Without a war or some such you'll have a class of people who revert to judging others by their suits/hoodies/lack of personality	[15:54]
gabriel_laddel	That class has grown considerably, right along with inflation.	[15:55]
mircea_popescu	perhaps. tho the "ibm look" of the 1980s was more of a testament of obedience, much in the manner an [insecure] master may mandate slavegirls wear collars.	[15:55]
mircea_popescu	whereas the hoodies of 2010 are a testament of anomie.	[15:55]
mircea_popescu	"we could be creative, there's certainly nothing keeping us from it" sorta thing	[15:55]
gabriel_laddel	Another interesting EWD for those who've not had the pleasure of reading Dijkstra: http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/transcriptions/EWD11xx/EWD1175.html	[15:56]
assbot	E.W.Dijkstra Archive: The strengths of the academic enterprise (EWD 1175) ... ( http://bit.ly/1D8dLwR )	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	"so they why aren't you ? why is it still the same three kiddie pools you're threading all over ? they're muddy and green ffs!" "sshh!"	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	The final reason for my refusal is that the habit appeals to the quantitative mind and I come from a culture in which the primarily quantitative mind does not evoke admiration. [A major reason that we considered Roman Catholics to belong to a lower class was precisely their quantitative bent: they always counted, number of faithful, number of days in purgatory, you name it.....]	[15:59]
mircea_popescu	an interesting point, tho im not entirely sure what value it carries. warp and weft, as he says.	[15:59]
mircea_popescu	" (If you even wondered why I did not join Disneyland or IBM, you now know why. )" << gabriel_laddel see ? right there.	[16:02]
gabriel_laddel	I had that quote in the scratch buffer right along with some others prior to posting in the chat. Did read.	[16:05]
gabriel_laddel	It seems to me that again, the basic mechanism is the same. But then again, I wasn't there, and surely cannot comprehend the suit fetish in its full absurdity.	[16:06]
mircea_popescu	anyway, thank god dijkstra died and i don't have to read 2014 abominations from him like i have to read 2014 "manifest destiny" abominations from buffett.	[16:07]
mircea_popescu	it's always sad when a great mind dies. it's worse when it just goes dark and keeps on living.	[16:07]
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gabriel_laddel	;; google sickboy's theory of life	[16:07]
gribble	Sick Boy's Unifying theory of life - YouTube: ; Trainspotting (4/12) Movie CLIP - Sick Boy's Theory of Life (1996) HD: ; Trainspotting (1996) - FAQ - IMDb:	[16:07]
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mircea_popescu	gabriel_laddel you readily can. it's like trying to keep a 16yo girlfriend today. think of that, you have the model.	[16:07]
mircea_popescu	stupidity never ever changes, at all.	[16:07]
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gabriel_laddel	"The intelligence level shifts because the experience level shifts. Warren speaks on his experience from 1930 – Jay is from a different culture and different time in history. His intelligence should be measured by the decisions that he makes, not by stories he tells of his previous environment. Just the fact that he is making the decision to surround himself with a mentor like warren buffet should tell you a lo	[16:09]
gabriel_laddel	t about this young man. His net worth of 607MM should say a lot to."	[16:09]
gabriel_laddel	hahahaha	[16:09]
BingoBoingo	;;google "Universe 25"	[16:10]
gribble	CABINET // The Behavioral Sink: ; Behavioral sink - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; 5 Sci-Fi Dystopias We've Actually Created (For Animals) \| Cracked ...:	[16:10]
gabriel_laddel	(I googled "buffet manifest destiny")	[16:10]
BingoBoingo	!up ascii_field	[16:11]
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ascii_field	danke BingoBoingo!	[16:11]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: you just need a pulse << not how it worked in ussr. sadistic entrance exams (for sci degree, that is. not for meritwash of apparatchik children, that was done american-style)	[16:12]
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mircea_popescu	ascii_field obviously not. i was asking him about his country today.	[16:14]
ascii_field	there's a country where they have this ?	[16:14]
mircea_popescu	otherwise, about one 18 yo girl per 1000 killed herself (chiefly by hanging) for having done a poor job on the exames.	[16:14]
ascii_field	straight to jp	[16:15]
ascii_field	where this is sop	[16:15]
mircea_popescu	imo this is the mark of a good exam. if you don't get 1 female suicide out of 1k, you'e not really doing an exam.	[16:15]
ascii_field	sounds pathetically low	[16:15]
mircea_popescu	who the fuck is "jay"	[16:15]
mircea_popescu	and who the fuck "surrounds themselves" with mentors. is this jay's movie ?	[16:16]
ascii_field	you get 1 of 1000 at 'standard temperature and pressure' in some places	[16:16]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field no, it's 1 per 10k normally, and notice the age specification. you'd get about 1 to 300k 18yo suicides normally.	[16:16]
nubbins`	hm	[16:17]
*	ascii_field is listening to a '3d printer' go, and it's strangely hypnotic - like 'dot matrix' printer but less grating on the ear	[16:18]
nubbins`	i saw this ridiculous youtube ad about this asshole with an obv rented lambo	[16:18]
nubbins`	talking about how he found 5 mentors!	[16:18]
nubbins`	and he can now teach you their secrets	[16:18]
ascii_field	at this point i can tell the topology being printed by the sounds, though not the geometry, and it's creating a strange picture in head	[16:19]
nubbins`	the logical conclusion is 10 of them performing the imperial march	[16:19]
ascii_field	eh already done	[16:19]
punkman	I didn't explain well before, here's how it works: 1. last year of high school you, national exams. 2. you make ordered list of unis you'd like to study at 3. exam grades and minimum grade for each uni are published. 4. congratulations, you got your 27th choice.	[16:19]
punkman	and you kinda have to be an amoeba to not get in some uni	[16:20]
nubbins`	wake me up when they can play rachmaninoff ;p	[16:20]
mircea_popescu	punkman thats exactl;y how it works everywhere, romania, france. "bacalaureat" is the proper term, tho prolly greeks don't use it ?	[16:21]
thestringpuller	ascii_field: you're leaving your house quite often these days. I thought you may have developed agoraphobia.	[16:21]
mircea_popescu	in any case, it's a great system, but a) most kids have to pay and b) i forget.	[16:21]
ascii_field	thestringpuller: wurk	[16:22]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` tu du du duuuum tu du duu duuuum	[16:22]
ascii_field	^ aha	[16:22]
mircea_popescu	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGU1P6lBW6Q	[16:23]
assbot	Richard Wagner - Ride Of The Valkyries - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1BmWm91 )	[16:23]
punkman	mircea_popescu: it was great when they weren't all "no kid left behind"	[16:24]
mircea_popescu	pity this got so fucking popularised. it's a great march.	[16:24]
thestringpuller	https://twitter.com/BlueMeanie4/status/570067969130110977/photo/1 << d00d can't decipher sarcasm?	[16:24]
mircea_popescu	punkman romanians just make them pay, it's beautiful. "got a 9.9x on natl exams ? ok, free. got 9.85 ? 3k a year. fu."	[16:24]
mircea_popescu	so beautiful.	[16:25]
punkman	and we are basically exporting all the decent graduates, since nobody wants to live on 500eur/month salary	[16:25]
ascii_field	what kind of money is 3k-usd in ro ?	[16:25]
ascii_field	a toyota ?	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field 9k gdp. basically, a salary.	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	tbh, there's absolutely no reason college time costs more than 10-15k in the us, either.	[16:26]
mircea_popescu	everything over that is just inflabezzle.	[16:26]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: that's not even the interesting part	[16:26]
ascii_field	but the 10-20%/yr increment	[16:26]
mircea_popescu	ya well.	[16:26]
nubbins`	actually now that i think about it	[16:26]
ascii_field	outruns every conceivable other thing	[16:26]
nubbins`	there's been a tuition freeze here since like ~2001	[16:26]
*	nubbins` shrugs, gives up	[16:26]
ascii_field	nubbins`: where i live, the 'tuition freeze' is a total scam. they raise 'fees'	[16:27]
ascii_field	that are mandatory but somehow 'not tuition'	[16:27]
nubbins`	there are more fees now -- rec hall fee, xyz improvement fee... but still a shadow of non-frozen tuition	[16:27]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller guy's just trying to matter, i wouldn't read too much into it.	[16:27]
ascii_field	and housing cost, that of books (mandatory and unshareable because homework given through www for which password is a scratch-off card in book) etc	[16:27]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field who in his right fucking mind would participoate in this ?	[16:28]
mircea_popescu	i mean, just this. THIS.	[16:28]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: who do you think?	[16:28]
nubbins`	in his right fucking mind is the key	[16:28]
nubbins`	a better question, who would fuck everyone else in the world, in the ass, for a free book?	[16:28]
ascii_field	who: folks who know they have a 1 in 10 shot at employment if they play, but 1 in 100 if not	[16:28]
nubbins`	and the answer is actually a fair number of people, university professors included	[16:28]
gabriel_laddel	;; google uncle al SPEED HEALS	[16:28]
mircea_popescu	those aren't people.	[16:28]
gribble	Backreaction: New experiment doesn't see fifth force, rules out class ...: ; Boils: MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia: ; Kraven the Hunter (Alyosha Kravinoff) - Wikipedia, the free ...: (1 more message)	[16:28]
gabriel_laddel	eh. http://mazepath.com/uncleal/ritalin2.htm	[16:29]
assbot	SPEED HEALS ... ( http://bit.ly/1BmYnSs )	[16:29]
ascii_field	^^	[16:29]
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nubbins`	and yet they're still determining what the course materials are	[16:29]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: actually my explanation is out of date, now that i think about it	[16:30]
gabriel_laddel	ascii_field: has complete set of Uncle Al? Worth every satoshi?	[16:30]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: folks aren't signing up for uni because of employment, but as a temporary reprieve from... what comes next	[16:30]
ascii_field	gabriel_laddel: yes. and even bought it for actual money back when al was selling	[16:31]
ascii_field	still have the floppies.	[16:31]
ascii_field	i tried and tried, without success, to get schwartz in here.	[16:31]
mircea_popescu	gabriel_laddel we were going to put it on the cardano originally, but guy stopped answering emails.	[16:32]
ascii_field	got enough of a squeak out of him to learn that he's alive, but he doesn't sit on the net much these days	[16:32]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field of course. WHICH IS WHY THEY ARENT PEOPLE	[16:32]
ascii_field	sorta went perelman	[16:32]
gabriel_laddel	understandably.	[16:32]
gabriel_laddel	I've given a few people links to PERUSING THE LIMITS OF FAILED SYMMETRY	[16:32]
mircea_popescu	same exact thing happens in romania, 20sometrhing yo girlie, still very much mentally 15, does not want to learn to suck cock, does not think a job's high enough for her reddit-powered pretense,	[16:32]
danielpbarron	http://imgur.com/3AyJ9FY ascii_field	[16:32]
gabriel_laddel	they flip out	[16:32]
ascii_field	schwartz is one of my personal 'heroes'	[16:32]
assbot	Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1zditHo )	[16:32]
danielpbarron	not sure if i did this right	[16:33]
mircea_popescu	goes for a phd. parents support "education" becasuse parents are a) idiotic and b) mostly women buy the time she's 25 anyway	[16:33]
ascii_field	i did a good bit of supercomp heavy lifting for his eotvos thing, pro bono	[16:33]
danielpbarron	not seeing a /dev/ttyUSBx	[16:33]
ascii_field	danielpbarron: what's on the other end?	[16:33]
ascii_field	other end should be that little dongle	[16:34]
ascii_field	plugged into your werkstation	[16:34]
mircea_popescu	and the very few that do work, take up bs jobs a la "pr". which, in romania, is just about the 2010 version of "hairdresser".	[16:34]
danielpbarron	ascii_field, http://imgur.com/NR0fbT6	[16:34]
gabriel_laddel	(allow me to retract "flip out" - they don't address any of the arguments, say that it pattern matches for 'crank'. I point out that this isn't an argument and that every sentence is clearly falsifiable. Conversation terminates.)	[16:34]
assbot	Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1zdiFGC )	[16:34]
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mats	https://harbor.ly/blog/bitcoin-the-stupid-way-to-fund-terrorism lol	[16:35]
assbot	The Harborly Blog \| Bitcoin: the Stupid Way to Fund Terrorism ... ( http://bit.ly/1zdiOKk )	[16:35]
ascii_field	danielpbarron: and what happens?	[16:35]
mircea_popescu	gabriel_laddel and all that just from an essay ?	[16:35]
danielpbarron	the pogo light turns red after blinking green, and nothing new appears in /dev/tty	[16:36]
mircea_popescu	mats as they say, someone reads the logs.	[16:36]
danielpbarron	this was done to an otherwise untouched pogo	[16:36]
ascii_field	gabriel_laddel: schwartz actually experimented with cleaning it up and submitting as proper latexed paper to journals	[16:36]
thestringpuller	PM just told me of a NL company that does ecommerce	[16:37]
ascii_field	gabriel_laddel: got similar response	[16:37]
ascii_field	!s adelberger	[16:37]
assbot	8 results for 'adelberger' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=adelberger	[16:37]
thestringpuller	when you go to checkout, if you are using internet explorer, they charge you an IE tax to encourage people not to use it.	[16:37]
ascii_field	^ the piece of shit who has to die for there being any chance of al's experiment being run in the english world	[16:37]
ascii_field	and not only him, but everyone who did degree under him, etc	[16:37]
mats	" Currently, for pure Bitcoin to Bitcoin transactions, there are multiple ways todiscover the location and identity of the individual in question." IPs are not locations	[16:37]
mats	" When an indivdual wants to buy or sell any sizable amount of Bitcoin, they need to interface with a Bitcoin retailer like Harborly or an exchange likeBitstamp, all of whom adhere to extensive KYC (Know Your Customer) policies." whats OTC?	[16:38]
mircea_popescu	"o look, we're stupid therefore carnot cycle doesn't exist"	[16:38]
mats	mircea_popescu: their reading comprehension is awful if they went and wrote this piece afterwards	[16:38]
mircea_popescu	mats it doesn't even load on my system, so there is that.	[16:38]
mircea_popescu	otherwise i'd have left them a comment.	[16:39]
mircea_popescu	ahaha "like harborly" ? who the fuck ius harborly.	[16:39]
ascii_field	gabriel_laddel: if you're interested in the eotvos thing, absolutely must read the old threads here	[16:40]
ascii_field	esp. how al's problem isn't fixable with money	[16:40]
mats	idk. another exchange that loves bootstrap from what i see.	[16:41]
gabriel_laddel	mircea_popescu: Yep. Aggressive intelligence frightens the luddites(?) who have temporarily taken over.	[16:41]
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gabriel_laddel	!up ascii_field	[16:41]
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mircea_popescu	another exchange that loves making total fucking asses of themselves, that's for sure. any of the old idiots involved ? rosenfeld ? kenna ?	[16:41]
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mircea_popescu	it has the old bitcoin fucktard impertinence to it.	[16:41]
mats	i don't recognize any names on their about page	[16:42]
ascii_field	ty gabriel_laddel!	[16:43]
mats	connor black and gabriel ferrin	[16:43]
mircea_popescu	well anyway. when a bunch of idiots decide to make "their own exchange" and pretend like it has to do with bitcoin, it gets laughed at in b-a and goes away in about 18 months.	[16:43]
gabriel_laddel	mircea_popescu: I remember that a while ago you mentioned you lectured at local universities. Was this in Romania aor Argentina?	[16:44]
mircea_popescu	romania. brief, mostly because friend ran it.	[16:45]
danielpbarron	ascii_field, when should something show up in /dev ? when i plug the usb thing in? or when the povo turns on?	[16:45]
thestringpuller	BingoBoingo: Maybe like thestringpuller's it is missing << pete_dushenski: I think that got fixed. tumblr is lik dumb.	[16:46]
ascii_field	danielpbarron: in a modern linux box, you get a /dev/ttyUSBx immediately	[16:46]
ascii_field	whether anything is plugged in on other end or not	[16:46]
ascii_field	(serial dongle cannot know)	[16:46]
danielpbarron	i do not get that	[16:46]
ascii_field	on the workstation end	[16:46]
ascii_field	wtf are you using for a machine	[16:46]
ascii_field	and kernel	[16:46]
danielpbarron	gentoo	[16:46]
ascii_field	does it show up in lsusb ?	[16:47]
ascii_field	and /var/log/messages	[16:47]
mircea_popescu	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOIZsiIPUOM << actually pretty decent scenes.	[16:52]
assbot	Trainspotting - Deleted Scenes - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zdkPGc )	[16:52]
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danielpbarron	ok apparently my computer has been dumping to /var/log/messages nonstop since my install and is now 21 gigs	[16:53]
danielpbarron	something about nvidia	[16:53]
ascii_field	l0l	[16:53]
mircea_popescu	lol	[16:53]
mircea_popescu	blockchain #2!	[16:53]
ascii_field	whaddayamean you don't have a dedicated monitor for /var/log/messages	[16:54]
ascii_field	like normal folks.	[16:54]
danielpbarron	i don't even know what that means	[16:54]
ascii_field	you know, box on a leg, displays things	[16:54]
danielpbarron	oh	[16:55]
mircea_popescu	gabriel_laddel for the sake of argument, can you identify an university that closer adheres to dijk's ideas set forth in your 2nd url than b-a ?	[16:55]
gabriel_laddel	nope.	[16:55]
gabriel_laddel	which is actually why I was reading it	[16:55]
mircea_popescu	" The external pressures to do the wrong thing are enormous, but yielding to them would be fatal for the academic enterprise, while resisting the pressure reinforces its strengths. The pressures are, in fact, so strong that I do not know a university where there is not some faculty or some department that has yielded, but there should be no mercy for snake oil pedlars on campus."	[16:56]
mircea_popescu	etc.	[16:56]
*	ascii_field is rather fond of dijkstra	[16:56]
ascii_field	he thought that university could become a fortress against dark age	[16:57]
ascii_field	like in the old days	[16:57]
gabriel_laddel	I've been having fantasies about WoT for academic matters. The ability to turn off an entire viewpoint in a graph-traversal. Ah.	[16:57]
mircea_popescu	it's the intended use.	[16:57]
mircea_popescu	not merely the "don't run code not in your wot".	[16:57]
ascii_field	gabriel_laddel: except that they -have- a wot. just, firmly under sc4mz0r control.	[16:57]
ascii_field	al schwartz, for example,. wasn't in it	[16:57]
mircea_popescu	all the way : http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-deal-with-pseudoscience/	[16:57]
assbot	How to deal with pseudoscience ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zdlojA )	[16:57]
ascii_field	and couldn't possibly enter	[16:57]
mircea_popescu	studies not in your wot never happened.	[16:57]
mircea_popescu	cultural diversity actually possible, for likle... the first time ever.	[16:58]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field no they do not.	[16:58]
mircea_popescu	they have a reddit.	[16:58]
ascii_field	precisely. ergo, to 'respectable academia', schwartz never happened	[16:58]
ascii_field	could not happen	[16:58]
mircea_popescu	a reddit is NOT a wot.,	[16:58]
ascii_field	how's it a reddit	[16:58]
ascii_field	doesn't vote	[16:58]
mircea_popescu	just like a crate is "like a car" except not a car.	[16:58]
mircea_popescu	in the most important manner : it's summable. a graph is not.	[16:58]
mircea_popescu	the value of a node depends on the path you take to it.	[16:58]
mircea_popescu	this does not exist on reddit. values of nodes are "absolute".	[16:59]
ascii_field	aha	[16:59]
mircea_popescu	and it does fucking vote. what do you think "peer review" and "tenure comissions" are ?	[16:59]
mircea_popescu	imagine the concept of "x is tenured for a1, ak but not for ak+1 an faculty members" ?	[16:59]
ascii_field	the basic cockroach in the soup is that traditional academia fights for usg table scraps	[17:00]
mircea_popescu	even the fact that "firmly under scamzor control" shows that it's not a wot.	[17:00]
ascii_field	i.e. who gets to eat	[17:00]
ascii_field	and who doesn't	[17:00]
mircea_popescu	scammers can't control a wot specifically because it's a wot.	[17:00]
mircea_popescu	re the entire discussion about "standardization" and how it's bad	[17:00]
mircea_popescu	you recall that thread ?	[17:01]
ascii_field	hm which	[17:01]
mircea_popescu	why we don't want to all apply the same scoring criteria for people ?	[17:01]
mircea_popescu	;;google trilema how the wot is attacked how the wot defends itself	[17:01]
gribble	Advanced WoT course : how the WoT is attacked, and how ... - Trilema: ; You can't have door-to-door shakedowns in defeudalised France ...: ; Jooz and stereotypes. \| Contravex: A blog by Pete (1 more message)	[17:01]
ascii_field	ah that	[17:01]
mircea_popescu	yes that.	[17:01]
ascii_field	it is deceptively easy to avoid the problems of usg academia if you aren't trying to deal with the question of how folks are to eat. just like it is very easy for an electromobile to 'not pollute' - superficially - because it lacks a tailpipe	[17:02]
ascii_field	but electromobile's energy doesn't come from the gods	[17:03]
mircea_popescu	the "folks are to eat" thing is not a problem.	[17:03]
mircea_popescu	every volk eats individually.	[17:03]
[]bot	Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $150 before April" http://bitbet.us/bet/1123/ Odds: 24(Y):76(N) by coin, 24(Y):76(N) by weight. Total bet: 9.25805692 BTC. Current weight: 96,641.	[17:03]
mircea_popescu	how exactly they do it is really no-one's problem unless they start doing particular things.	[17:04]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: point being that it's much easier to honestly work towards some useful end when not fighting over crumbs	[17:04]
mircea_popescu	this can't ever be a point.	[17:04]
mircea_popescu	it mixes two things that can't be in the same sentence.	[17:04]
gabriel_laddel	;; google Henry Kissinger "the battles are so vicious because the stakes are so small"	[17:05]
ascii_field	this is quite reminiscent of the elektromobile thing, imho	[17:05]
gribble	Sayre's law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Academic Politics Are So Vicious Because the Stakes Are So Small ...: ; Henry Kissinger - Wikiquote:	[17:05]
mircea_popescu	"In the wake of the Cultural Revolution and now of the recession I observe a mounting pressure to co-operate and to promote "teamwork". For its anti-individualistic streak, such a drive is of course highly suspect; some people may not be so sensitive to it, but having seen the Hitlerjugend in action suffices for the rest of your life to be very wary of "team spirit". Very. I have even read one text that argued that uni	[17:05]
mircea_popescu	versity scientists should co-operate more in order to become more competitive..... Bureaucracies are in favour of teamwork because a few groups are easier to control than a large number of rugged individuals."	[17:05]
mircea_popescu	there's the story, how convenient.	[17:05]
mircea_popescu	find your own crumbs. that way a) we're stronger and b) there's no "income" tax.	[17:05]
mircea_popescu	because it's your own god damned income.	[17:05]
gabriel_laddel	Yep. It takes a while for people to figure this out though - especially when there are the remnants of actual intellects (von n., ulam) hanging around.	[17:06]
mircea_popescu	well the advantage is that people can take all the time they need.	[17:06]
ascii_field	works great for now, while there are plentiful crumbs scattered around.	[17:07]
mircea_popescu	not being goal-oriented, but cause-driven, la serenissima is in no particular hurry.	[17:07]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field there are always plenty of crumbs scattered around for the man carrying a large enough hammer.	[17:08]
ascii_field	what would 'being in a hurry' look like ?	[17:08]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2015#1032368 < that.	[17:08]
assbot	Logged on 24-02-2015 19:20:08; thestringpuller: https://twitter.com/BlueMeanie4/status/570067969130110977/photo/1 << d00d can't decipher sarcasm?	[17:08]
ascii_field	not sure how the imbecile connects here	[17:09]
mircea_popescu	besides the point. that's what being in a hurry looks like. "omfg, i wonder if there are many people following me", said that blair deffective while walking towards the elephant rifle in hand	[17:10]
mircea_popescu	he should have had twitter.	[17:10]
ascii_field	lol!	[17:10]
mircea_popescu	well ?	[17:10]
ascii_field	but that's not 'hurry' per se, that's democraretardation	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	no, that's hurry per se.	[17:11]
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ascii_field	ty mircea_popescu	[17:11]
[]bot	Bet placed: 3 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $150 before April" http://bitbet.us/bet/1123/ Odds: 18(Y):82(N) by coin, 18(Y):82(N) by weight. Total bet: 12.25805692 BTC. Current weight: 96,621.	[17:13]
mircea_popescu	"Under current circumstances I would not even attempt to promote co-operation between the academic and the industrial worlds, because it seems pointless and dangerous. I have come to the conclusion that, industrial management being what it is, it is extremely unlikely that computing science can save the computing industry. Conversely, the computer industry can severely damage computing science; it does so quite regular	[17:13]
mircea_popescu	ly by the donation of equipment that had better be ignored."	[17:13]
mircea_popescu	no srsly, this is a great thing.	[17:13]
mircea_popescu	i had forgotten just how on point dijkstra is.	[17:13]
ascii_field	we did that one here, iirc	[17:13]
ascii_field	and yes, he was completely spot-on	[17:14]
mircea_popescu	"Academic computing science is doing fine, thank you, and unless I am totally mistaken, it will have a profound influence. I am not referring to the changes that result from computers in their capacity of tools. Okay, the equipment opens new opportunities for the entertainment industry, but who cares about that anyhow. The equipment has enabled the airline industry to make its rates so complicated and volatile that you	[17:14]
mircea_popescu	need an expert to buy a ticket, and for this discouragement of air travel we can be grateful" << my exact brand of ecology,	[17:14]
ascii_field	the actual field of comp sci was annihilated more thoroughly than anything the lysenkoists did to soviet biology	[17:14]
mircea_popescu	amusing how spot on he was huh :D	[17:14]
gabriel_laddel	"So, if I look into my foggy crystal ball at the future of computing science education, I overwhelmingly see the depressing picture of "Business as usual". The universities will continue to lack the courage to teach hard science, they will continue to misguide the students, and each next stage of infantilization of the curriculum will be hailed as educational progress.	[17:15]
gabriel_laddel	I now have had my foggy crystal ball for quite a long time. Its predictions are invariably gloomy and usually correct, but I am quite used to that and they won't keep me from giving you a few suggestions, even if it is merely an exercise in futility whose only effect is to make you feel guilty."	[17:15]
gabriel_laddel	- EWD1063	[17:15]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[17:16]
gabriel_laddel	"You don't need to take my proposal seriously because it is so ridiculous that I am obviously completely out of touch with the real world. But that kite won't fly, for I know the real world only too well: the problems of the real world are primarily those you are left with when you refuse to apply their effective solutions. So, let us try again."	[17:16]
gabriel_laddel	and here we are.	[17:17]
gabriel_laddel	trying again.	[17:17]
mircea_popescu	amusingly, "Did the writer not know that the use of the term "the real world" is usually interpreted as a symptom of rabid anti-intellectualism, or did he not mind? "	[17:17]
gabriel_laddel	lolyeah	[17:17]
mircea_popescu	gabriel_laddel i specifically dispute the stance that we're trying "again". it's still the same one try, and it's still going oin magnificently.	[17:17]
mircea_popescu	has been, for millenia.	[17:17]
mircea_popescu	and yes, most derps & mooks have only a fleeting superficial view of it. so ?	[17:18]
gabriel_laddel	On that timescale, sure. when it comes down to Schwartz and Stan having years of their lives wasted...	[17:18]
mircea_popescu	to illustrate what i mean, here's a quote from the mooks in question :	[17:18]
gabriel_laddel	to say that "we" have not been set back is nonsense.	[17:18]
gabriel_laddel	what, the burning of the great library of Alexandria was just a blip?	[17:19]
mircea_popescu	meh i canbt find it. anyway, it was yet another of the "bitcoin has failed" but this one was because "greed made it not applaud gavin"	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	this can be rehashed indefinitely, but what exactly does it do ?	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	i burned books myself, what of it ? they sucked.	[17:21]
ascii_field	folks who mention 'alexandria' aren't usually objecting to burning books per se	[17:22]
ascii_field	but some - presumably interesting - only copy of xxxx that is now lost	[17:22]
mircea_popescu	maybe it sucked ?	[17:22]
ascii_field	or not	[17:22]
ascii_field	whole idea is, nobody knows	[17:23]
mircea_popescu	so then how's it a setback ?	[17:23]
ascii_field	in some cases ( mircea_popescu of all people ought to know ) partial copy of something survives	[17:23]
ascii_field	one (often overhyped but afaik factual) example of a total loss that is later 'un-lost' is archimedes having had fluxions	[17:24]
mircea_popescu	http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2v8f84/if_you_are_more_practically_inclined_and_having/ << since im digging up reddit. check out where "l'enfer, c'est l'autres" is identified as "using latin"	[17:24]
assbot	If you are more practically inclined, and having understood, accepted and come to terms with your fundamental human inferiority as it flows from your poverty, some solutions to your predicament of "I wish to buy myself a basket" have already been discussed. : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1zdoOma )	[17:24]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field but you take an eerily supermarket view of this setback thing.	[17:24]
danielpbarron	ok well i got the usb thing to show up in a live ubuntu, but nothing gets sent from pogo	[17:24]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: hm?	[17:24]
mircea_popescu	tell me, if i burn the walmart in connecticut tomorrow, has capitalism had a setback ?	[17:24]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: walmart != archimedes	[17:25]
mircea_popescu	books are the defecation product of thinking.	[17:25]
ascii_field	quite possibly a species only ever gets one or two of them	[17:25]
mircea_popescu	they aren't thinking per se anymore than an ashtray is a party.	[17:25]
danielpbarron	do i need to modify uboot to make it send through usb?	[17:25]
ascii_field	danielpbarron: the stock uboot iirc did spew something	[17:25]
ascii_field	check your pinout	[17:25]
ascii_field	also make sure your dongle is set to 115200 baud	[17:26]
danielpbarron	it is	[17:26]
ascii_field	try reversing rx and tx	[17:27]
ascii_field	they're almost certainly backwards	[17:27]
ascii_field	then - without unplugging the usb - power cycle the pogo	[17:27]
ascii_field	should see output.	[17:27]
ascii_field	failing this, boot pogo into arch and echo "something" > /dev/ttyS0	[17:28]
danielpbarron	got it!	[17:28]
ascii_field	works?	[17:28]
danielpbarron	ya	[17:28]
ascii_field	congrats!	[17:28]
danielpbarron	tyvm	[17:28]
ascii_field	before re-closing chassis,	[17:28]
ascii_field	take a good close-up of dongle & pogo pcb	[17:29]
ascii_field	labeled with rx/tx/gnd	[17:29]
ascii_field	if you've the time	[17:29]
ascii_field	for other folks	[17:29]
danielpbarron	already closed it	[17:29]
ascii_field	also note that it will overheat if run at length w/out heatsink	[17:29]
ascii_field	(the aluminum plate)	[17:29]
ascii_field	at any rate, danielpbarron now has an 'adult' pogo	[17:30]
ascii_field	it is even theoretically possible to restore it if nuked 'uboot' as well	[17:30]
ascii_field	(marvell will slurp up a boot image via 'xmodem' though tty if you feed it)	[17:30]
thestringpuller	crafting completed. new skills unlocked.	[17:30]
ascii_field	all the rest of you with 'pogos', i highly recommend taking the time to do this mod	[17:31]
nubbins`	is the serial mod necessary or can i just ssh to the silly thing?	[17:31]
danielpbarron	i'll try to document what i did	[17:32]
ascii_field	nubbins`: it lets you debug boot, and see kernel output prior to nic init	[17:32]
nubbins`	aha.	[17:32]
nubbins`	so i don't need it unless i do, in other words	[17:32]
ascii_field	also lets you resurrect a wedged box	[17:32]
nubbins`	pret-t-t-t-t-y sure i've got an FTDI adapter here somewhere	[17:33]
ascii_field	(expect mircea_popescu to retort 'throw the damn thing out' but i'll note that they aren't exactly in limitless supply - nor do we yet know of an alternate box that is)	[17:33]
ascii_field	(i do have one of these, http://i.imgur.com/EuoNzHn.jpg - ~18 usd - but it suffers from lack of sata, 32M(ram) 8M(rom), and a wifi chip that cannot be disabled - built into cpu and embedded antenna)	[17:38]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/170NIyE )	[17:38]
ascii_field	cryptome dead ?	[17:40]
mircea_popescu	i didn't say that eh.	[17:40]
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ascii_field	ty nubbins`	[17:43]
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cazalla	BingoBoingo: Bad google http://www.zdnet.com/article/google-bans-explicit-adult-content-from-blogger-blogs/ <<< the amusing part of this is that the author of that article sued a porn actor who used the same name as the author, poor girl had to get a new name	[17:51]
assbot	Google bans 'explicit' adult content from Blogger blogs \| ZDNet ... ( http://bit.ly/1zdrEYu )	[17:51]
cazalla	girl in question http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noname_Jane	[17:52]
assbot	Noname Jane - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1zdrKzl )	[17:52]
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ascii_field	porn - a-ok in usa; viewing porn without usg permanent record of the act - nope	[17:54]
ascii_field	never know who might have to be 'robert borked' in the future.	[17:55]
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mircea_popescu	google is scummy by now.	[18:00]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field how's blogger.com banning porn further that ?	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	no, it's just provincialism, the same idiotic middle age women that run apple now run google.	[18:01]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: not banned. permitted in 'viewable only to registered' sites.	[18:02]
ascii_field	it's being herded.	[18:02]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[18:03]
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mircea_popescu	cunts shackled and sad on the internet their forecunts had fought to conquer ?	[18:03]
BingoBoingo	!b 5	[18:03]
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mircea_popescu	but yes, the "sexual disorder" of the 90s is definitely coming to a close. it's too expensive, and to most dickheads undesirable anyway.	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	the gays got their way with marriage prior to the freeze, but that's it. pedos aren't getting theirs.	[18:04]
mircea_popescu	who cares that pedo today ==== faggot 1965.	[18:04]
ascii_field	much more politically useful even	[18:04]
ascii_field	electronic equivalent of toilet tank cocaine	[18:05]
cazalla	mircea_popescu: todd gack mysteriously missing. <<< yeah, what sort of name is that anyway?	[18:06]
cazalla	shame you can't todd gack someone on reddit with a few thousand satoshi	[18:07]
kakobrekla	buttstamp is looking for 'senior django developer'	[18:11]
kakobrekla	a friend replied telling them he can fix everything that is wrong, but they dont want that.	[18:13]
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ascii_field	ty kakobrekla!	[18:14]
ascii_field	kakobrekla: how do -you- normally answer letters from people offering to 'fix everything that's wrong' ?	[18:14]
kakobrekla	idk if i was ever in a position where 'everything is wrong' was legit claim.	[18:15]
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mike_c	didn't you write bitbet in PHP?	[18:22]
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ben_vulpes	hee hee	[18:31]
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kakobrekla	nah, that was mpex	[18:34]
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ben_vulpes	ho ho	[18:38]
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kakobrekla	hehe, is true; http://mpex.co/?=PHPE9568F34-D428-11d2-A769-00AA001ACF42	[18:43]
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kakobrekla	adont thank me	[18:44]
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mike_c	sekrit php detector. i had no idea.	[18:51]
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PeterL	pete_dushenski:weird thing is: bablogs.btcscoop.com seems to have no problem with it << I forgot I had to do a funny trick with codecs to get that to work, lets see if scoopbot works now?	[18:52]
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mike_c	elephant: http://mpex.co/?=PHPE9568F36-D428-11d2-A769-00AA001ACF42	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	;p;	[18:54]
mircea_popescu	lol*	[18:54]
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mike_c	and just because this should be immortalized in the logs: http://phpsadness.com/	[19:01]
assbot	PHP Sadness ... ( http://bit.ly/18iqWnk )	[19:01]
ascii_field	last i checked, php wasn't mandatory	[19:01]
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mike_c	you lost me there.	[19:02]
mircea_popescu	i think it was in the logs from last time we did this	[19:02]
mike_c	not according to search	[19:02]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2014#512379 etc	[19:02]
assbot	Logged on 17-02-2014 22:31:05; mircea_popescu: http://phpsadness.com/sad/9	[19:02]
mike_c	!s phpsadness	[19:02]
assbot	0 results for 'phpsadness' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=phpsadness	[19:02]
ascii_field	afaik nobody is forced to program in it	[19:03]
mircea_popescu	!s phpsadness.com	[19:03]
assbot	3 results for 'phpsadness.com' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=phpsadness.com	[19:03]
mircea_popescu	no stemming eh ?	[19:03]
mike_c	intersting. slash is a word break but not a period?	[19:03]
mircea_popescu	!s b-a.link	[19:03]
assbot	1 results for 'b-a.link' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=b-a.link	[19:03]
mircea_popescu	!s s.b-a	[19:04]
assbot	0 results for 's.b-a' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=s.b-a	[19:04]
mircea_popescu	SOME dots are wordbreaks.	[19:04]
mike_c	word breaking is different from stemming. that feels.. wrong. mthreat is it normal for periods to not break words?	[19:04]
mike_c	;;later tell mthreat is it an index option for periods to break words?	[19:05]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[19:05]
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mats	django. god help the one that accepts the job.	[19:17]
mircea_popescu	"the Web framework for perfectionists with deadlines" ?	[19:19]
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mike_c	what's wrong with django? i bit bloated, but there's a lot of good code in there.	[19:20]
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mats	a buddy of mine uses it only the daily. moans constantly.	[19:29]
mats	on^	[19:29]
ben_vulpes	fuck it	[19:40]
ben_vulpes	fuck django, fuck rails, and probably fuck turbogears too.	[19:40]
ben_vulpes	while they can all be used well by people who know what they're doing, most people using them categorically do not.	[19:41]
mike_c	and the alternative is they build from a microframework and fuck up even more?	[19:41]
ben_vulpes	and in their experiments with object oriented programming create these insane class hierarchies that are impossible to fit into human working memory.	[19:42]
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ben_vulpes	mike_c: ever touched a clojure ring app?	[19:42]
mike_c	not with a 10ft pole	[19:43]
ben_vulpes	oh and let's not get into the ORM.	[19:43]
ben_vulpes	while again it can be used well by people who can use it well (intentional tautology)	[19:43]
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ben_vulpes	the novice's desire to not learn how relational databases work and how to leverage their strengths is damaging to both themselves and anyone downhill of them.	[19:44]
ben_vulpes	ORM/wire?	[19:44]
mike_c	i don't get it. you're saying a novice can use cojure ring and not hurt himself?	[19:44]
ben_vulpes	not at all.	[19:44]
ben_vulpes	a sword still cuts.	[19:44]
mike_c	so you are just offended by the offering of something between cojure/ring and wordpress.	[19:45]
ben_vulpes	but the surface area over which they can make mistakes is vastly limited.	[19:45]
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ben_vulpes	mike_c: keep in mind i'm approaching this from an empirical perspective.	[19:45]
mike_c	idk. noobs will make sites. and their wordpress blogs will be used in ddos reflection attacks. what can you do.	[19:45]
ben_vulpes	miserable django shites made by novices rapidly become very expensive to reason about.	[19:46]
ben_vulpes	rails, ibid.	[19:46]
ben_vulpes	(most wordprexen are cobbled together from plugins - not terrifically difficult to reason about)	[19:46]
mike_c	ok, but i'm not going to judge by how easy it is to un-fuck a particular framework done poorly.	[19:47]
ben_vulpes	there's something about working in lisp that seems to reduce the speed at which entropy chews apart a webdev project.	[19:47]
mike_c	or, there's something about those that choose lisp..	[19:47]
ben_vulpes	i'm always cautious about that line.	[19:47]
ben_vulpes	mostly, because it's so damn easy.	[19:47]
ben_vulpes	and i speak not as a veteran here.	[19:48]
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thestringpuller	ben_vulpes: there you go with that lisp nonsense again!	[19:50]
thestringpuller	ben_vulpes: the best webdev lanuage is PHP.	[19:50]
lobbes	mostly, because it's so damn easy. << I played with lisp for a second, and even I felt like seemed way more 'intuitive'	[19:50]
ben_vulpes	(oh, and those "experts" in rails/django/yii/whatever tend to swallow wholesale whatever braindamage comes out of the "community")	[19:50]
thestringpuller	rails is da shit	[19:51]
thestringpuller	s/da//	[19:51]
thestringpuller	:D	[19:51]
thestringpuller	django is good for marketing teams who need to deploy content fast and don't have IT	[19:51]
thestringpuller	jurov hits nail on head	[19:51]
mike_c	or for webdevs that don't want to rebuild every wheel	[19:51]
mike_c	turbogears2 looks good too.. i have some vague memory of not liking sql alchemy for some reason, but that was awhile ago and i can't remember why.	[19:52]
thestringpuller	mike_c: yes. but rails took this overboard imo.	[19:52]
mike_c	agreed. i think rails has too much black magic	[19:53]
thestringpuller	the rails generate command is abused a bit too much	[19:53]
thestringpuller	i know the script kiddies love it, but probably same reason they defend node.js	[19:53]
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ben_vulpes	"No Thinking Required!"™	[19:56]
BingoBoingo	!up ascii_field	[19:58]
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ben_vulpes	"Mindlessly Churn Out Crud Apps!"	[19:58]
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ascii_field	ty BingoBoingo!	[20:09]
ascii_field	boosts ego to the point of making any cooperation hard << wat	[20:10]
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mats	i spent the last ten mins reading BlueMeanie4's blog	[20:24]
mats	what a mistake	[20:24]
thestringpuller	mats: why did you submit yourself to that punishment?	[20:25]
mats	i wanted to see if he had anything useful to say in a long form medium	[20:27]
mats	turns out hes as retarded on a blog as he is on irc and twitter	[20:27]
thestringpuller	ah. Well he honestly thinks GPG contracts are failures because they are too hard to use...which is like retard believing he is not retarded.	[20:28]
mats	and anyway i like to see what people offended by mp are up to	[20:28]
mats	(the ones that used to hang here, anyway)	[20:28]
thestringpuller	mats: you've made me miss EskimoBob	[20:29]
thestringpuller	;;seen EskimoBob	[20:29]
gribble	EskimoBob was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 33 weeks, 4 days, 16 hours, 33 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: no idea how executions are shown on btct	[20:29]
mats	;;seen evoorhees	[20:31]
gribble	evoorhees was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 31 weeks, 4 days, 23 hours, 29 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: I need to go for now, on later	[20:31]
Adlai	if anything, GPG contracts are too easy to use	[20:33]
thestringpuller	Adlai: drafting them to spec is difficult sometimes. Like coming up with a good statement of work, or an SLA	[20:41]
thestringpuller	but this is irrelevant of execution i suppose	[20:41]
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mats	http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2015/02/greek-surrender-hope-150222120049943.html	[20:45]
assbot	Greek surrender: When all hope is gone - Al Jazeera English ... ( http://bit.ly/1w9FJ9a )	[20:45]
BingoBoingo	http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=h_people	[21:04]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1MPEHcY )	[21:04]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21550 @ 0.00040343 = 8.6939 BTC [+] {2}	[21:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4350 @ 0.00040368 = 1.756 BTC [+]	[21:40]
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asciilifeform	jurov: my impression is, eveythign around lisp is considerably fragmented << algol's mighty fragmented too	[22:06]
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cazalla	how many times can you spot "legitimate" http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2967084/Paedophile-porn-rings-selling-live-streams-rape-involving-children-young-six-Skype-return-Bitcoins-warn-Europol.html	[22:11]
assbot	Paedophile porn rings 'selling live streams of child rape on Skype', Europol warns \| Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1BoSZ18 )	[22:11]
cazalla	it's old news btw, for some reason they dug up a report from last year and ran it today as new	[22:11]
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thestringpuller	microsoft can't get a break (ms owns skype now rite?)	[22:15]
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cazalla	thestringpuller, yeah, i was gonna write it up under heading of hundreds of paedos use microsoft products to rape kids, but actually covered the report the above article mentions back in october or november last year	[22:17]
cazalla	microsft really enable these rapes because not only do the paedos use skype, but they use windows as well	[22:18]
cazalla	plus the paedos have the gall to use legitimate services such as Bitcoin	[22:19]
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thestringpuller	about as bad as Gavin killing those kids	[22:20]
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ben_vulpes	;;ticker	[22:25]
cazalla	actually there is a new report.. may as well write it up	[22:25]
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mircea_popescu	idk. noobs will make sites. and their wordpress blogs will be used in ddos reflection attacks. what can you do. << kvetch	[22:38]
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mircea_popescu	(oh, and those "experts" in rails/django/yii/whatever tend to swallow wholesale whatever braindamage comes out of the "community") << that's because these are experts in groupthink, having come of age in the 90s at the earliest.	[22:39]
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asciilifeform	while hunting for marvell errata sheets, found http://code.google.com/p/inferno-kirkwood/source/browse/devsata.c - driver for same, written for bell labs's 'inferno' os (interesting animal all in itself, see old thread) - contains some clues re: reset behaviour	[22:41]
assbot	devsata.c -	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	and anyway i like to see what people offended by mp are up to << lol me too. but this guy... he's not offended, he's just trying to you knwo, "make it in this game".	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	as that kid told that retarded cop once.	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	!up rotarydialer	[22:43]
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mircea_popescu	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ	[22:45]
assbot	Rick Astley - Never Gonna Give You Up - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zFe7Kl )	[22:45]
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mats	its revealing how people react when confronted with inadequacy	[22:48]
thestringpuller	similar to rejection	[22:49]
cazalla	you won't sleep with me? ya fucking slut!	[22:51]
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TheNewDeal	;;nethash	[22:52]
TheNewDeal	!Up gribble	[22:52]
TheNewDeal	Fu, assbot	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	;;bc,stats	[22:53]
TheNewDeal	;;Seen gribble	[22:54]
TheNewDeal	Acting like a pouty bitch	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	lol	[22:55]
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mats	hm, 'Citizenfour' is public domain due to being used as evidence in a suit	[23:09]
mats	er, that's a terrible construction, but anyway http://cryptome.org/Citizenfour-HD.7z	[23:10]
asciilifeform	can we do that to the rest of them ?	[23:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00040171 = 6.4274 BTC [+] {2}	[23:12]
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mats	i'm not really sure how it works	[23:14]
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gribble	318572931.893	[23:15]
gribble	I have not seen gribble.	[23:15]
gribble	Current Blocks: 345015 \| Current Difficulty: 4.668437631686029E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 346751 \| Next Difficulty In: 1736 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 6 hours, 2 minutes, and 44 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 43633659578.1 \| Estimated Percent Change: -6.53477	[23:15]
-evilmquin-	[Global Notice] Seems we're having connectivity problems to some of our servers. Please bear with us while we look into it	[23:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13018 @ 0.00039928 = 5.1978 BTC [-]	[23:19]
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mats	https://twitter.com/Cryptomeorg/status/566616227582582785	[23:21]
assbot	Defense provided 2 DVDs of Citizenfour as exhibit in Edwards suit. So film in public domain as unsealed record. On HBO 2/23/15. Leaking $.	[23:21]
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mats	i'm not certain that submission as evidence nullifies IP rights	[23:22]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6336 @ 0.00039928 = 2.5298 BTC [-]	[23:27]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6448 @ 0.00040347 = 2.6016 BTC [+] {2}	[23:28]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14600 @ 0.00040368 = 5.8937 BTC [+]	[23:38]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00040368 = 3.1891 BTC [+]	[23:55]
cazalla	scoopbot, fetch	[23:58]
cazalla	http://qntra.net/2015/02/europol-uses-kiddy-porn-hysteria-to-attack-bitcoin/	[23:59]
assbot	Europol Uses Kiddy Porn Hysteria To Attack Bitcoin \| Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1FqGnnC )	[23:59]

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