Forum logs for 24 Feb 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
BingoBoingo Domain naming exercise [00:02]
BingoBoingo [00:02]
assbot MLB stas before and after name changes. | : Tim Healey Article [00:02]
ben_vulpes so it seems a good exercise would be to release that list of recipients anyways. [00:03]
mircea_popescu i imagine a better question would be to ask why the fuck does this matter. [00:04]
ben_vulpes to poke the bear? [00:04]
decimation mircea_popescu: don't you think shame is a motivator? [00:04]
ben_vulpes to let people pick the density of welfare cases in their area? [00:04]
mircea_popescu suppose i discover my next door neighbour receives 10 bn pesos from argentine government each week. [00:04]
mircea_popescu so ? [00:04]
ben_vulpes it's not you, it's the americans. [00:05]
mircea_popescu good for her, i guess. or him w/e. [00:05]
mircea_popescu well but see ? russian guy comes into play. "why the fuck wouldn't i take money if i can get away with it ? and why aren't you fucking cheering me for it!" [00:05]
ben_vulpes yeah, 's always been my attitude. [00:05]
decimation perhaps one component is that folks in the us imagine their tax dollars going elsewhere [00:05]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes decimation Honestly I think people who run up bezzel debt and weaken fiat are heros [00:05]
mircea_popescu decimation perhaps the delusion here is that the fucking govt is an enemy not an alter ego ? [00:06]
mircea_popescu which is really not the fault of poor/lazy/stupid people [00:06]
decimation well, if you think the government is an enemy and confiscates your stuff, what do you think about the guy who is wallowing in the proceeds? [00:07]
mircea_popescu in any case it's not "your" tax dollars. it's obama's. he already stole them from you. [00:07]
mircea_popescu they're his now. [00:07]
decimation yes I agree [00:07]
decimation the illusion was thinking that were 'yours' in the first place [00:07]
mircea_popescu well wtf do i care, some guy steals some back ? more power to him. [00:07]
mircea_popescu i hope he steals it all. [00:08]
mircea_popescu a bureaucrat, getting paid "fairly" is a problem, yes. but a leech ? a leech is a revolutionary. [00:08]
BingoBoingo !b 3 [00:09]
assbot Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( ) [00:09]
decimation there is a large component of america (in the upper classes) that still has a belief that those dollars in their accounts are 'theirs' (in the 'sovereign citizen' sense) [00:11]
decimation such an attitude is obviously silly when exposed to any facts [00:11]
danielpbarron is it possible to get money from USG without strings attached? [00:12]
decimation re: fiat heros < ron paul agrees: “Sanity will not return to US leaders until our financial system collapses — an event for which they are feverishly working,” and “Before we can actually restore our liberties, we most likely will have to become a lot less free and much poorer.” [00:12]
assbot ... ( ) [00:12]
decimation danielpbarron: well, simply making less than the amount required for the earned income tax credit gives you free money from the irs [00:14]
assbot Check Your Eligibility for the Earned Income Tax Credit ... ( ) [00:14]
danielpbarron and you'll need it because that's not enough to live on [00:14]
decimation to get the 'whole package', you are going to need to be a minority more than likely [00:15]
decimation you want section 8 subsidy for rent (as long as you are poor), food stamps for food (trade stuff on ebay for stuff you want), and medicaid for medical insurance [00:16]
decimation the trifecta is social security disability. If you can prove that you are 'unable to work', you will be able to collect social security too [00:17]
decimation I think asciilifeform said that the guy who wrote templeos is living on that racket [00:17]
BingoBoingo decimation: As TLp notes there are gradients of SSDI and SSI [00:17]
asciilifeform to let people pick the density of welfare cases in their area << they already can! (price) [00:17]
danielpbarron i'm too lazy for all that work; it's easier to just do something useful in exchange for money [00:17]
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decimation danielpbarron: yeah it would take a good year or two of concerted effort to con/harass the appropriate 'social workers' into giving you what you want [00:18]
decimation plus if you have any history of working at all, you are not gonna make the SSDI [00:18]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ...but a leech ? a leech is a revolutionary. << usg welfare folks aren't leeches, they're employees. (what're they paid for? ask tlp.) [00:18]
mircea_popescu ok this is the lulziest thing i read al lweek! [00:19]
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assbot The Last Psychiatrist: The New Yorker Writes About Power ... ( ) [00:19]
mircea_popescu so these total fuckwits imagine they asked a powerful person to... write on their own fucking forehead ? [00:19]
mircea_popescu motherfucker, i don't even wear those idiotic card things. [00:19]
decimation asciilifeform: re: what they are paid for << not to riot, is my perception [00:19]
mircea_popescu last time i was in an access controlled building they had to provide an intern to run behind me holding my fucking card. [00:19]
BingoBoingo ;;google truth about SSI [00:20]
gribble The Facts About the Social Security Disability Programs | Donna ...: ; The Ugly Truth About Social Security Is Revealed - Forbes: ; The Hard, Cold Truth About Social Security - Tax- (1 more message) [00:20]
BingoBoingo Google fail [00:20]
asciilifeform the guy who wrote templeos is living on that racket << terry davis. and schizophrenia is still one of the more reliable ways a white man can get usg payola. though it's still an 'achievement', on part with getting a $1M research grant on your lonesome [00:20]
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decimation I'm sure you would need several signed and stamped notes from the 'mental health' chumpatron [00:21]
BingoBoingo the guy who wrote templeos is living on that racket << terry davis. and schizophrenia is still one of the more reliable ways a white man can get usg payola. though it's still an 'achievement', on part with getting a $1M research grant on your lonesome << Who knows, if it wasn't for glorious tobacco maybe I'd be on that golden ticket [00:21]
asciilifeform the history of never having worked is a plus (though davis worked just once, iirc) [00:22]
thestringpuller BingoBoingo: "glorious tobacco" << how so? care to elaborate? [00:22]
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BingoBoingo thestringpuller: Nicotine is neuro protective against certain kinds of wetware failure modes [00:23]
decimation < sabu change employment from welfare division to fbi [00:23]
assbot EXCLUSIVE: Unmasking the world’s most wanted hacker | Fox News ... ( ) [00:23]
mats do asians qualify for this free money im hearing about? [00:24]
BingoBoingo decimation: Old news [00:24]
asciilifeform mats: quite certainly not [00:24]
mats or do i have to be hispanic or black [00:24]
mats bummer [00:24]
decimation mats: unfortunately being asian puts you at the bottom of every welfare list [00:24]
BingoBoingo mats: Watch telenovas, pick up the accent, and you can prolly pass as a more obscure flavor of hispanic [00:25]
mats u rite [00:25]
decimation it's well known that asians must perform several points above average to be admitted to 'elite' schools [00:25]
thestringpuller decimation: so in theory welfare is racist to asian people. [00:25]
mats i can develop a wicked tan [00:25]
decimation in theory 'welfare' is colorblind, but in practice it is meant for particular minorities [00:25]
mats yeah that's bullshit [00:26]
BingoBoingo mats: Wicked tan, roll your r's, and become one with the lawn mower [00:26]
decimation look at the list of 'danger words' on that 'fair housing law' that real estate agents must follow [00:26]
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decimation asking your real estate agent if there are "section 8" renters is considered to be 'racist' [00:26]
mats i got a 2k+ SAT score, took 10 odd APs and honors classes [00:27]
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thestringpuller mats was born after 1988 [00:27]
mats didn't get into any of my reach schools e.g. columbia [00:27]
thestringpuller AMIRITE? [00:27]
mats duh [00:27]
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* BingoBoingo didn't bother with reach schools, went to desperate schools that needed outliers [00:28]
decimation " On an "other things equal basis," where adjustments are made for a variety of background factors, being Hispanic conferred an admissions boost over being white (for those who applied in 1997) equivalent to 130 SAT points (out of 1600), while being black rather than white conferred a 310 SAT point advantage. [00:29]
decimation Asians, however, suffered an admissions penalty compared to whites equivalent to 140 SAT points. " [00:29]
assbot How Diversity Punishes Asians, Poor Whites and Lots of Others ... ( ) [00:29]
mats jesus christ 300 points [00:29]
decimation interestingly, that article was 'disappeared' [00:30]
BingoBoingo Well, the black test score bump can be explained entirely by the need to fill a competitive handegg team [00:30]
mats i poured >500 hours into sat prep only to get trounced by suffering minorities [00:31]
mats woe is me [00:31]
thestringpuller mats: hey, we suffering minorities have it tough. [00:31]
BingoBoingo mats: You know you could have cheated and taken the GRE instead [00:32]
thestringpuller mats: actually asians were a majority at the school I went to. [00:32]
decimation thestringpuller: that's why they are 'discriminated' against [00:32]
mats me too. good competition, lots of white flight. [00:32]
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thestringpuller mats: get that white girl poonani [00:32]
mats i get off on it too buttie [00:33]
mats the subconscious domination of a white woman that is [00:33]
thestringpuller i blame girls gone wild for that [00:33]
thestringpuller and dave attell's insomniac [00:34]
mats BingoBoingo: i thought that's for grad school? [00:34]
BingoBoingo mats: it is. Admissions counselors don't know it is an easier test though [00:34]
mats im not following, why would the score be accepted [00:35]
BingoBoingo mats: Because idiots run the offices. [00:35]
decimation my experience is that grad school, if worthwhile, is usually paid for by employers or usg [00:36]
BingoBoingo decimation: We are jsut talking the admissions test now [00:36]
decimation yeah, but there are plenty of schools in the 'degree mill' business - designed to collect these dollars [00:36]
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thestringpuller "degree mill" sounds a lot like "puppy mill" :( [00:37]
thestringpuller luring unsuspecting single moms or something [00:37]
BingoBoingo The thing is if you have a brain and can't get a perfect score on the GRE math portion with a BAC under 0.5 I dunno why you'd try college [00:38]
mats on the subject, ive been spending my free time with grad students (harvard, fletcher kids) going through IR programs that are feeders to state dept [00:38]
decimation mats: see the world, usg pays [00:38]
mats ive been playing 'id the spy' for a few weeks and its good fun [00:38]
BingoBoingo In the middle west it as more ID the FBI plant [00:39]
mats alternatively, 'id the future asset' is also great [00:39]
decimation being a usg shill in a foreign country would be depressing as hell [00:39]
decimation although they make good money [00:39]
mats with hazard pay maybe [00:40]
BingoBoingo Because no one at SIUC philosophy or Mizzou's ISLT program was making the CIA [00:40]
BingoBoingo being a usg shill in a foreign country would be depressing as hell <, For sure, no point traveling if you can't try 50 shades of poon [00:41]
decimation mats: I think they get free housing overseas [00:42]
mats you couldn't pay me enough to work in a us embassy [00:42]
BingoBoingo Block 326760, Fri Oct 24 05:32:44 2014 was OOM kill as I slept last night of indeterminant length [00:42]
mats benghazi parts two through twenty will soon be upon us [00:42]
decimation mats: but obama totally has your back [00:43]
BingoBoingo I'm just glad I didn't do law school [00:43]
BingoBoingo Talk about selling your soul [00:43]
danielpbarron speaking of oom, pogo just crashed on height=221870 [00:43]
decimation BingoBoingo: my understanding is that most lawyers don't make much money at all [00:43]
BingoBoingo decimation: They don't at all, and on top of it they have obligations. [00:44]
mats depends. patent law and contract litigation is lucrative [00:45]
mats for the half of lawyers that happen to be employed, that is [00:46]
BingoBoingo Still way too many ways for USG to hang an honest barrister [00:46]
decimation mats: yeah but only a small number of lawyers 'matriculate' into those professions [00:46]
ben_vulpes they're not terribly hard to get into. [00:49]
ben_vulpes demand side is huge from ford, intel et al [00:50]
ben_vulpes plus all of the 'support' [00:50]
ben_vulpes i saw a company offering to "create research equity" for other companies. [00:50]
ben_vulpes apparently they expect one to buy a bit of research and put it on the books. [00:50]
ben_vulpes this has made me wonder how much "book value" of these big shops is similarly inflated. [00:50]
ben_vulpes oh, and let us not forget the "research and development" tax credits. [00:51]
asciilifeform housing and discrimination etc << the bans on 'asking wrong question' were enthusiastically pushed by the real estate racket, who were all too happy to have price become the one and only legal selector [00:51]
decimation ben_vulpes: apparently the company R&D budget is now to be used for 'merit washing' [00:52]
ben_vulpes decimation: oh yes? this i'm not quite familiar with. [00:55]
decimation ben_vulpes: I was reacting to your statement about third parties looking to 'create value' [00:55]
decimation presumably, the director of the board knows exactly in which 'third party R&D' to 'invest' [00:56]
* ben_vulpes had papers and dollars allocated from the semi testing company for "research and development" that largely consisted of stapling together existing systems and handing the whole package off (with specs and partlists) to the production line engineers [00:56]
ben_vulpes i learned much from the sage japanese ee in that shop. [00:57]
ben_vulpes also the sage american me. [00:57]
decimation ben_vulpes: usg will 'pay' for R&D, so "R&D" is what you get :) [00:57]
ben_vulpes actually now that i think of it the bulk of my career has been blessed by sages of various stripes who didn't particularly mind my derping around, or at least found me entertaining enough to tolerate. [00:57]
ben_vulpes decimation: probably some of my earliest introductions to the bezzle. [00:58]
ben_vulpes actually a funny story related [00:58]
ben_vulpes legal caught wind of what i was doing [00:58]
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ben_vulpes because i asked them to put an nda together for a vendor i wanted to communicate some things to [00:58]
ben_vulpes hounded me *incessantly* for patent paper work after that point. [00:58]
ben_vulpes "but i don't really know that--" "fill out these papers, kid. we'll send you a check and something for your home office wall." [00:59]
ben_vulpes 'twas an "innovative" ground plane. [00:59]
mats [00:59]
assbot Spy Cables expose 'desperate' US approach to Hamas - Al Jazeera English ... ( ) [00:59]
ben_vulpes granted, hardware in the wild that did the same thing cost ~1000x what i built, didn't work nearly as well. [00:59]
asciilifeform mats: in log [01:00]
ben_vulpes but a patent for that thing? [01:00]
mats guess i needa catch up huh [01:00]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes probably knows 1) how patents are used in modern usa 2) how patentmeisters in megacorps are incentivized to work quota [01:00]
decimation ben_vulpes: my understaning is that patents are pretty worthless [01:00]
decimation they are only useful to megacorps when warring [01:01]
asciilifeform individual patent is about as useful to the megacorp as a particular cone full of radar chaff in a particular ballistic rocket in a particular underground shaft [01:02]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: lol i do now. [01:02]
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decimation asciilifeform: there are some rare patents that end up being particularly 'valuable' [01:02]
ben_vulpes life is educational if you keep your eyes open, what can i say. [01:02]
decimation but it's almost always a 'post hoc' situation [01:02]
asciilifeform decimation: just like the cone that takes out wash.d.c will prove to be great soviet roi [01:03]
decimation heh [01:03]
asciilifeform i know several folks who work or have worked at uspto. they will swear that the only -individuals- still seeking patents are certifiable lunatics [01:03]
decimation yeah. a patent is perfectly useless unless you have > $10 mil lawyer budget [01:04]
BingoBoingo i know several folks who work or have worked at uspto. they will swear that the only -individuals- still seeking patents are certifiable lunatics << I recently considered taking community college classes just to cross the patent examiner threshold [01:04]
asciilifeform they end up filing things like this - [01:05]
assbot Patent WO2012090213A2 - Resurrection machine - Google Patents ... ( ) [01:05]
decimation BingoBoingo: it's not a terrible racket, although probably depressing [01:05]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: terrible salt mine [01:05]
* asciilifeform at one point almost ended up there [01:05]
decimation my understanding is that roughly %100 of patent examiners hope to graduate to become rich patent lawyers [01:05]
asciilifeform << the patent i was actually looking for [01:06]
asciilifeform ^ famous [01:06]
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BingoBoingo Well, patent agent may have been the right label. Slow news day so slipping into the drink. [01:06]
asciilifeform ^ beautiful illustrations [01:06]
BingoBoingo Still sad sad racket [01:06]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I like the exact right use of a radiator there [01:08]
BingoBoingo lol sheet 26 [01:09]
BingoBoingo Why am I still alive??? Sheet 26 of 63 is the single lulziest thing I have ever [01:10]
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decimation why did some 'tard burn ~$10k for this thing? [01:11]
BingoBoingo decimation: The drawing on sheet 26 justifies everything [01:12]
asciilifeform decimation: schizo? [01:12]
asciilifeform why else [01:12]
decimation asciilifeform: maybe he spent his social security disability money on it [01:12]
decimation completing the cycle [01:12]
BingoBoingo Worth it [01:17]
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asciilifeform 'To properly evaluate the preposterousness of claimant's position, the [01:22]
asciilifeform situation is exactly like a situation where a restaurant listing 200 items [01:22]
asciilifeform on its menu would attempt to have content removed from a personal blog where [01:22]
asciilifeform a patron listed two items from that menu, that he ate, and that gave him [01:22]
asciilifeform enterocolitis, on the grounds that the restaurant has some sort of copyright [01:22]
asciilifeform interest in the sublist of two items published by the unfortunate patron. [01:22]
asciilifeform While it is directly clear why a restaurant in that position would move to [01:23]
asciilifeform suppress the publication, it is nevertheless a fraudulent claim aimed at [01:23]
asciilifeform infringing the rights of others.' [01:23]
asciilifeform ^ mega-l0l! [01:23]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu ^ where this was even for ? isp ? [01:24]
asciilifeform (re: last paragraph) [01:24]
ben_vulpes db entries pulled via curl [01:25]
asciilifeform aha [01:25]
asciilifeform i recall the original trololol [01:25]
asciilifeform but where was the above document for ? [01:26]
asciilifeform also does dmca really have the provision for 'complainant must sue before date x'? (ianal!) [01:26]
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asciilifeform interestingly, even though ianal, i do so enjoy a good hardcopy iso standard (that describes something useful, naturally) [01:32]
asciilifeform just got 'ada 95: the language, reference manual, and standard libraries' ansi/iso/iec-8652:1995 in the post [01:33]
asciilifeform and it's a work of art [01:33]
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asciilifeform the pages are numbered like a bible's [01:33]
asciilifeform with paragraph indices [01:33]
asciilifeform for citing 'chapter & verse' at n00bs [01:34]
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asciilifeform and the thing has totality, even more so than common lisp - even character sets are included in the standard [01:35]
asciilifeform as in, you can actually program without thinking about any building block that isn't in the book... [01:35]
asciilifeform the down side is that you get to essentially write in pascal [01:36]
asciilifeform (the similarity is more than skin deep) [01:36]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: So in the newest Batman, the valet is the coldest killer [02:01]
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asciilifeform << historical interest [02:13]
assbot My Aerospace Years ... ( ) [02:13]
asciilifeform ^ re: 'golden age' usg [02:13]
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asciilifeform 'Part of the mathematics of the Kollsman was a search program built into the VERDAN to help the Kollsman find a star, lock on to it, then find a second star and third, to use for triangulation. If I remember correctly, we tracked stars like Canopus, Sirius, and Procyon. I don’t remember for sure. But I do remember that there had to be a most efficient way to find a star. If you knew the time of the day (the G&N could give yo [02:14]
asciilifeform u that since it knew Latitude and Longitude), you could find the sun. From the sun, and predetermined celestial positions, you could find the appropriate star in the region. Once you found that star, it was easy find the next one and go back and forth between the two, determining position. Here’s the deal. How do you search for a star, though. The least inefficient way is to use a square pattern. Obviously a diagonal is a cl [02:14]
asciilifeform oser distance between two points than a rectangular or square pattern. That still doesn’t help you find a star efficiently once you find the sun and slew to the star. So it was determined that the best, quickest and most efficient search was a “prolate hypercycloid.” I think you’d call it a clover pattern. Actually it is very special search, and with that shape has the highest percentage of quick find of a star of any [02:14]
asciilifeform search pattern.' [02:14]
asciilifeform ^ -analogue- star tracker. [02:14]
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asciilifeform << l0l. must be common if so cheap on junk market [02:15]
assbot B 52D Star Tracker Kollsman Automatic Astro Compass Type MD 1 Astro Tracker | eBay ... ( ) [02:15]
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asciilifeform 'We still have a saying, though, when we saw the Soviets building a copy of the Air Craft Carrier Enterprise, right down to the nuts and bolts…if you lose a document, just go to the Soviets. They have copies of all of it. Our security meant absolutely NOTHING.' [02:22]
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asciilifeform danielpbarron: gold [02:43]
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danielpbarron ty [02:44]
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asciilifeform << vintage tabloid lulz [02:47]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: US seems to have surrendered radio quiet [02:51]
mircea_popescu decimation: mats: unfortunately being asian puts you at the bottom of every welfare list << yeh azns took ur jerbz. [02:51]
BingoBoingo danielpbarron: Bautiful mega lol [02:54]
danielpbarron feel free to cite in qntra or w/e [02:55]
mircea_popescu mats: the subconscious domination of a white woman that is << wait, you her or her you ? dat ambiguity [02:55]
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mircea_popescu mats: benghazi parts two through twenty will soon be upon us << myeah. [02:56]
mircea_popescu the dodo bird makes great quarry. [02:57]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes: this has made me wonder how much "book value" of these big shops is similarly inflated. << from the recovery practice, one would not usually expect more than about 1% of book value to be recoverable through asset sales. [02:58]
asciilifeform 'The only exception is a plan for more extensive practicing of security response tactics at launch silos, a move that requires signed agreements with owners of the private land on which the missile silos are situated.' [02:58]
asciilifeform ^ wat!?! [02:58]
* asciilifeform ianal but thought 'easements' were sop, even for usg [02:58]
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asciilifeform (source: vintage lul, ) [02:59]
assbot Air Force security failed nuke test | New York Post ... ( ) [02:59]
mircea_popescu So bad have things become in the United States that one of their top right-wing commentators named Glenn Beck warned his listeners this week that the Obama regime was turning America into a Nazi-like Third Reich and leading the US into a “society of gas chambers”. [03:03]
mircea_popescu lawl. [03:03]
asciilifeform 'crank bait' [03:03]
mircea_popescu "Beck’s astounding comments about the Obama regime appear to have merit as London’s Daily Mail is reporting today" [03:03]
mircea_popescu pretty good indication of the principle that propaganda works both ways. [03:04]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ^ where this was even for ? isp ? << well, turns out the datacenter (phoenix nap) refused to forward the counter-notification. [03:05]
mircea_popescu they claimed that it's not properly drawn up. meanwhile i discovered that the dc in question (worth ~1.7mn) is actually owned by the same holding company that owns ccbill, which is a "high risk" cc payment processor, which has a business relationship with fetlife. [03:05]
mircea_popescu so... we're in settlement talks. which, should they break down, we'll be in court. [03:06]
asciilifeform l0l, sp4mc4rdz [03:06]
mircea_popescu class action, the works. [03:06]
mircea_popescu anyway, a slim chance i end up with my own dc. [03:06]
asciilifeform 1.7m << peculiarly small dc [03:06]
asciilifeform some schmuck's cellar ? [03:06]
mircea_popescu net assets. [03:06]
mircea_popescu funny how pulling on a thread firmly unravels whole stacks of shit. [03:07]
mircea_popescu "i didn't know they stacked shit that high" [03:07]
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asciilifeform (where i live, a traditional 19 inch by 40 'u' rack starts at a few $k / mo.) [03:08]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: also does dmca really have the provision for 'complainant must sue before date x'? (ianal!) << yes. this is what dmca is substantially : dc gets a claim. if customer responds with counterclaim, they forward it to claimant, who has 10 days to show proof they sued. [03:09]
mircea_popescu << if you care. [03:09]
assbot U.S. Copyright Office - Copyright Law: Chapter 5 ... ( ) [03:09]
asciilifeform aha [03:09]
* asciilifeform always cared about the details of dmca in much the same way as he cares about the precise voltage of the electric chair he will sizzle in: not particularly [03:09]
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asciilifeform but here - interesting [03:10]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Still Maybe 3 mosins max in "collapse" an I have "longline" tower. [03:10]
mircea_popescu well, none of these things matter to the layman until they observe another monkey fashion a club out of it and blooding some faces [03:10]
mircea_popescu then it's fascianting. [03:10]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what kind of blood do you think to get from the stone ? [03:11]
BingoBoingo "Murican" society is sinking. Batman's valet tonight was shot by his war buddie. [03:11]
mircea_popescu turtles are not made out of stone. [03:11]
mircea_popescu they appear so, to men without good clubs. [03:11]
BingoBoingo Tortise shel makes the best ornamentation. Also gets sharp once club is used [03:12]
mircea_popescu but the general rule of fist is, "nothing manmade can resist arbitrary pounding" [03:12]
BingoBoingo (where i live, a traditional 19 inch by 40 'u' rack starts at a few $k / mo.) << I'm contemplating $200/month for offering welded shut case [03:13]
* BingoBoingo is drunk [03:13]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: iirc, colo facility doesn't care if you weld you case [03:13]
asciilifeform (so long as it isn't messily done on the premises, i suppose) [03:13]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: They don't. Still stl isn't asking 4 digits [03:14]
BingoBoingo (so long as it isn't messily done on the premises, i suppose) << If was taking torch to pren]mises would have lance of great concrete cutting [03:15]
asciilifeform at any rate, only the lucky fellas like mircea_popescu earn the honour of having a mook sent to physically wriggle inside chassis [03:15]
mircea_popescu it's not entirely certain that ever actually happened. [03:15]
asciilifeform aha see [03:15]
asciilifeform still have to work to earn this. [03:15]
BingoBoingo Might be possible in USia asciilifeform but geographical arbitrage is a thing [03:15]
mircea_popescu lol @ that log. "widespread adoption", such a red herring. [03:16]
mircea_popescu nuclear warheads also failed to reach widespread adoption, such a failweapon. [03:16]
asciilifeform welding a server is one of those things that 'feels good' out of all proportion to actual military utility [03:16]
mircea_popescu ^ [03:16]
mircea_popescu what exactly is it supposed to do ? [03:17]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: when done (rarely!) by sane folks, is generally 'part of a balanced diet' involving various vibration/temp/radiation/etc. sensors and rapid key zeroization [03:17]
mircea_popescu so your welding really consists of owning the dc. [03:18]
asciilifeform to steal from ed felton, 'you can't build a safe that is to be kept in the robber's living room' - except that some folks must anyway, so they craft safes that will set fire to the money at slightest provocation [03:19]
BingoBoingo so your welding really consists of owning the dc. << Ideallu solder and powersupply is chozen such that yes [03:19]
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mircea_popescu << have a nightmare. on me. [03:19]
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asciilifeform 'what good is a phonecall... if you've no mouth' [03:20]
BingoBoingo << have a nightmare. on me <, hard to scare people with Par [03:20]
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BingoBoingo to steal from ed felton, 'you can't build a safe that is to be kept in the robber's living room' - except that some folks must anyway, so they craft safes that will set fire to the money at slightest provocation << Shoot for Tepco can not cut without fine [03:21]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: at any rate, if you must, use a standard hand-held spot welder [03:22]
asciilifeform the kind with the clamps [03:22]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: the kind with the clamps << /me usually solders by plumbing rules. More checks less death by inferno [03:28]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: spot weld, not solder [03:28]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Who seriously welds a toilet down pipe [03:29]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: [03:29]
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asciilifeform toilet - no [03:29]
asciilifeform server - yes [03:29]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: must understand world here is surplus stupid [03:30]
asciilifeform [03:30]
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asciilifeform << make own [03:30]
assbot The Hindenburg Principle: See Spot Weld ... ( ) [03:30]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: So most teflon I ever saw in my life... was pulling shifts at Mcdonalds... [03:31]
asciilifeform where was the teflon ? [03:32]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Top side of the clamshell grill [03:32]
BingoBoingo Every aspect of "beef" patties was rabot handled [03:32]
* asciilifeform the most teflon ever saw is a 1x10 inch rod in his machine room [03:33]
asciilifeform yes, you can buy it in machinable rods like anything else.. [03:33]
mircea_popescu i had teflon wire at some point [03:33]
cazalla << have a nightmare. on me. <<< sorta reminds me of creepychan [03:34]
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asciilifeform phun phact: it bleeds a little HF when machined. [03:34]
BingoBoingo Mcdonalds used teflon in sheets to substitute heat for hygeine at any opportunity [03:34]
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BingoBoingo But sheets of teflon on clamshell grill, genius [03:36]
cazalla do they do the mccafe thing in america? [03:37]
BingoBoingo They try [03:37]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the rod is milk-white and very smooth, slippery. [03:41]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Actually that... Not a thing [03:41]
mircea_popescu !up agentbob [03:43]
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* BingoBoingo sleep nao [03:45]
BingoBoingo Nt aware enough to do right [03:46]
cazalla wish i had the sense to do that the other night lol [03:52]
cazalla i'm taking a sabbatical from drinking in any case [03:53]
cazalla (yeah, heard that before) [03:53]
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mircea_popescu o.O [13:53]
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mircea_popescu nice going BingoBoingo cazalla lol [13:53]
* BingoBoingo guess bump was going to be between 2k and 30k, hit the exact middle [13:54]
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asciilifeform ^ reposted [13:54]
mike_c logs are failing me. what was the big hit on qntra? [13:55]
mircea_popescu mike_c the name&shame of vcs that did superfish was on slashdot etc [13:55]
mike_c ah [13:55]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform nice. [13:55]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron btw, there should be NO references. all text referenced by url should be quoted in the instructions, and link to original. [13:56]
asciilifeform statically linked! [13:56]
nubbins` beauty! [13:56]
mircea_popescu quite. [13:56]
danielpbarron k [13:57]
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nubbins` not coincidentally, footnotes would be an adequate substitute ;p [13:57]
mircea_popescu qntra is like, headed for trilema traffic levels. [13:57]
mircea_popescu i guess it'll soon surpass it. [13:57]
mircea_popescu nubbins` :p [13:58]
nubbins` XD [13:58]
nubbins` mischievous tuesday [13:58]
mircea_popescu so ridoinculous btw. there was a time, 10-15 years ago, when something like this would have taken a site down. [13:59]
mircea_popescu not anymore. the ddos back in sept was what, 100 to 1k x more visible in server logs. [14:00]
mike_c it was nice of that guy to do load testing for qntra. [14:00]
BingoBoingo !b 3 [14:00]
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mircea_popescu i guess so huh. [14:00]
mircea_popescu but people readily ignore this fact. normal traffic ? x ; being linked by all the internet ? a*x. being ddosed ? b*x. [14:01]
mircea_popescu where a < 100 and b / a > 100. [14:01]
mircea_popescu which both shows the absolute loss of gatekeeper power on one hand and the massive decrapification of the software on the other. [14:02]
thestringpuller facebook wants to be the new gatekeeper [14:02]
thestringpuller but it's like watching retarded kid on playground wanting to be leader one day as he eats glue. [14:03]
BingoBoingo scoopbot -fetch [14:03]
scoopbot New post on by Bingo Boingo: [14:03]
thestringpuller bad scoopbot [14:03]
thestringpuller Good scoopbot :D [14:03]
mircea_popescu it's just... what it meant being on rotten, or maddox, or drudge coupla decades ago is completely unrelated to what it means being on slashdot, reddit, or w/e today. [14:04]
mircea_popescu sort-of like the difference between being a star in hollywood cca 1955 vs being "a star"/waitress in a la diner today. [14:04]
mircea_popescu or, for that matter, being times man of the year in 1966 vs being times man of the year in 2006. [14:04]
nubbins` there were less men back then [14:05]
nubbins` which isn't the point, but a fact nonetheless [14:05]
mircea_popescu well that may be. there were certainly less retards chasing the "Social media" dragon. [14:05]
BingoBoingo nubbins`: No, there were more men [14:06]
nubbins` i'm talking humans with penises [14:06]
mircea_popescu there were more women, is fo sho. lotta girlies today. [14:06]
mircea_popescu some of them 40+yo. [14:06]
nubbins` you pedants! [14:06]
BingoBoingo nubbins`: I'm discounting functional retards from that set [14:06]
nubbins` natch [14:06]
mircea_popescu new pick=up line. "i'm a pedant. wanna wear my pendant ?" [14:07]
nubbins` things were more novel back then, too [14:07]
nubbins` you think elvis would be the fuckin king if he was born in 1996? [14:07]
mircea_popescu he would still be fat [14:07]
mircea_popescu phat* [14:07]
nubbins` he'd be nobody [14:07]
nubbins` because there's no barrier to entering "the" "music" "biz" [14:07]
mircea_popescu see ? it was all captn sanders. i keep sayin' it... [14:08]
nubbins` all those quotes are intentionally separate [14:08]
* mircea_popescu googled it. turns out the man's name was Marvel Jr. [14:08]
mircea_popescu no, fuck wrong one. who the fuck was his owner ? [14:09]
mircea_popescu iirc elvis was proper collared and everything. [14:09]
nubbins` they all were [14:09]
mircea_popescu colonel Tom Parker. there we go. [14:09]
nubbins` well y'see boys we've got this here fancy recoahdin' studio [14:10]
nubbins` guy was taking half by the end, wasn't he? [14:10]
mircea_popescu yea [14:11]
nubbins` born andreas cornelis [14:11]
mircea_popescu elvis was dumb as rocks, if reports are to be trusted. [14:11]
nubbins` now there's an american name [14:11]
mircea_popescu nah he was finish or danish or something. [14:11]
nubbins` no kidding. ever see the dude's movies? [14:12]
nubbins` dutch [14:12]
mircea_popescu yes, actually, saw a coupla. [14:12]
nubbins` oh. andreas cornelis /van kuijk/. [14:12]
nubbins` that's dutch, alright [14:12]
nubbins` i recall seeing one of the flicks at some god-awful "grand ole" type place in the southern usa [14:13]
nubbins` elvis smoking a cigarette while working under a car [14:13]
nubbins` then shimmying with the ladies on the beach! [14:13]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu> elvis was dumb as rocks, if reports are to be trusted. << And drugged all to hell. Owner screwed the pooch on that one. [14:14]
mircea_popescu he has all the sexual projection of a highschool retard. [14:14]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo i may be like, the first owner in human slavery history to actually discourage drug use by teh chattel. [14:14]
nubbins` "braaaaaaiiih!" -elvis [14:14]
mircea_popescu owner was just buying ibm in elvis' case. [14:14]
BingoBoingo he has all the sexual projection of a highschool retard. << "non-threatening" 1950's USia was retarded in this way [14:14]
nubbins` "hurmalurmalurm" -elvis [14:14]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo that IS true. [14:15]
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mircea_popescu nubbins` Jailhouse Rock was ok as far as that goes. [14:16]
mircea_popescu he made a bunch of "good for blowjobs" movies. [14:16]
mircea_popescu russ meyer, like. [14:16]
nubbins` actually what i've been humming since that "braaaaaaaih" earlier [14:16]
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mircea_popescu lol [14:17]
nubbins` hm, accidentally opened windpipe while drinking [14:17]
nubbins` brb paper towels [14:17]
mircea_popescu he played the most fucktarded names too. deke. vince. etc [14:17]
mircea_popescu i think he was a chad once too [14:18]
mircea_popescu todd gack mysteriously missing. [14:18]
nubbins` the other day i watched a docu about a florida election worker who was lynched [14:20]
nubbins` "hanging chad", 3/5 [14:20]
pete_dushenski scoopbot -fetch [14:20]
mircea_popescu by elvis ? [14:20]
nubbins` rimshot.mp3, just kidding [14:20]
pete_dushenski ;;later tell peterl who do i have to blow to get contravex and scoopbot talking to each other ? [14:20]
gribble The operation succeeded. [14:20]
nubbins` pete_dushenski yourself, paste imgur here [14:21]
pete_dushenski well why didn't you just say so ? ;) [14:21]
mircea_popescu lol [14:22]
nubbins` what was it, mad men? "who'd you have to fuck to get this office?" "myself" [14:22]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Probably the best way to solve this problem is to look at how blogs that play nice with scoopbot do RSS and crib off of that [14:22]
pete_dushenski << doesn't work somehow ? [14:23]
assbot Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( ) [14:23]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski maybe your rss feed's too long ? [14:24]
pete_dushenski weird thing is: seems to have no problem with it [14:25]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Maybe like thestringpuller's it is missing a field? [14:25]
pete_dushenski i just noticed that each article in the feed was set to show "full text" [14:26]
pete_dushenski now chaned to "summary" [14:26]
pete_dushenski changed [14:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35179 @ 0.00038477 = 13.5358 BTC [-] {2} [14:27]
pete_dushenski in any event: [14:27]
assbot This is how we date now because this is how we fail now. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( ) [14:27]
pete_dushenski "Erik is a famous individual of the Bitcoin community online forum (screen title- evoorhees), as well as presently benefits Coinapult, derived in Panama." << lulziest spam comment i ever did see [14:28]
pete_dushenski posted on my paper wallet guide, which in no way mentions voorhees [14:28]
mircea_popescu prolly spun text [14:28]
pete_dushenski a must be that [14:29]
mircea_popescu (what the bots do these days is crib facebook for textual content, hack it together and use it as spam filler to fool bayesian filters. which are STILL a stupid fucking idea) [14:29]
mircea_popescu scoopbot -fetch [14:29]
pete_dushenski i seem to recall there being a trilema on spam filtering [14:30]
mircea_popescu a few yeh [14:30]
pete_dushenski [14:30]
assbot Effectual spam filtering for WordPress pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [14:30]
pete_dushenski ^ the one i was thinking of [14:30]
mircea_popescu aha sounds like it [14:31]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [14:36]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 238.3, vol: 5909.75632155 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 232.091, vol: 8210.31175 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 238.34, vol: 23504.59916274 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 236.707548, vol: 132421.46550000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 238.0, vol: 3.23426211 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 234.890000011, vol: 54.80316614 | Volume-weighted last average: 236.765056335 [14:36]
mircea_popescu that article of course was in 2013. meanwhile it's no longer 18`219 spam comments out of 96`421 total, it's 29`704 out of 112`367 total. [14:37]
nubbins` anyone happen to have familiarity with zero-tuition universities, specifically euro ones, specifically how they came to ditch tuition? [14:38]
mircea_popescu so they did go from under 20% to over 20% in the interval. [14:38]
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pete_dushenski nubbins` probably donations from alumni [14:38]
mircea_popescu nubbins` generally you don't have to pay if you're very very good. at least the ones i'm familiar with. [14:38]
nubbins` hmm [14:39]
mircea_popescu same reason women don't have to pay to go to a club, especially if they go naked. [14:39]
nubbins` i mean like countries where post-secondary is free, for everyone [14:39]
mircea_popescu that doesn't exist irl. [14:39]
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mircea_popescu used to be, but soviet russia & friends. [14:39]
pete_dushenski if it did, it'd just be grades 13-17 [14:39]
nubbins` i feel like an educated populace isn't a terrible idea, as long as it's educated in things that aren't fucking out to lunch [14:40]
mircea_popescu the way to do that is forbid louts from having sex. [14:40]
nubbins` i.e. your ph.d. in medieval folklore would definitely not be free [14:40]
nubbins` available, perhaps, if there are enough of you to pull a couple classes together [14:40]
mircea_popescu nah, that i can see paying for. what i can't see ever paying for is "social studies", "womens studies" etc. [14:41]
mircea_popescu ie, "things with political importance". [14:41]
nubbins` so suppose we say "free university for anyone who wants to study STEM" [14:41]
nubbins` but it's not free [14:41]
nubbins` because if there wasn't a catch, it'd just be a boondoggle [14:41]
mircea_popescu stem should in principle never be free. [14:42]
mircea_popescu because the only reason it exists is that it's useful. if useful can't pay useful can go hang. [14:42]
mircea_popescu meanwhile, things that exist because thery're beautiful may get a pass. [14:42]
pete_dushenski free stem turns to religion [14:42]
mircea_popescu ^ [14:42]
nubbins` instead, it's the same cost it is *now*, except the government would pay the minimum monthlies on your student loans for as long as you remain in (the province, city, state, w/e) [14:42]
mircea_popescu think about it. who will remain ? [14:42]
mircea_popescu all the schmucks that can't leave. [14:43]
mircea_popescu why do you want them ? [14:43]
mircea_popescu this is exactly like suicide : the people who succeed we want. the people who fail should have succeeded. [14:43]
nubbins` hm. [14:44]
punkman nubbins`: i mean like countries where post-secondary is free, for everyone << Greece is one [14:44]
nubbins` why, indeed, would i want a bunch of fresh grads kicking around [14:44]
nubbins` punkman AAH FINE FORGET IT [14:45]
nubbins` D: [14:45]
punkman ;) [14:45]
mircea_popescu punkman what, srsly ? [14:45]
mircea_popescu no grade requirement, no nothing ? [14:45]
punkman yep, 4 year degrees, masters, PHDs [14:45]
punkman no there are grades [14:45]
mircea_popescu no but i mean, do you qualify for free degree irrespective of any exam, grades, etc ? [14:46]
mircea_popescu you just need a pulse / [14:46]
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punkman as in "uni entrance national exams" grades [14:46]
punkman yes just pulse [14:46]
mircea_popescu ah well. [14:46]
mircea_popescu um. [14:46]
punkman and until now you could take 10 years to do 4 year degree [14:46]
mircea_popescu well which is it! [14:46]
mircea_popescu heh. greece, the least rich eu country, adheres to nubbins` ideals! [14:46]
punkman there are grade requirements for entry into uni, based on demand [14:47]
nubbins` speak not of my ideals! [14:47]
mircea_popescu naked woman just bent to pick up my garbage. i forget, what were we saying ? [14:47]
punkman if you get in, it's all free. might have to pay for some books these days [14:47]
mircea_popescu anyway. this is kind-of how it worked in all teh warsaw pact. except back then people actually had nothing better to do with their time, (LIKE IN A PRISON, ALF!) so they studied. [14:48]
mircea_popescu and read and like, bought classical records. [14:48]
nubbins` anyway outmigration is a big thing here [14:50]
nubbins` and the usual is to get a degree (cheapest in the country!) and then fuck off [14:50]
mircea_popescu yeah but this can't be fixed administratively. [14:50]
nubbins` no kidding [14:50]
pete_dushenski nubbins` outmigration out of maritimes or out of the country ? [14:51]
nubbins` like you said, if the $150/mo student loan payment is the thing keeping someone here... [14:51]
mircea_popescu if you want to fix it, what you do is, you pick a pimp, give him legal immunity for a decade, let him build cabaret street. [14:51]
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nubbins` pete_dushenski out of twodogland, specifically [14:51]
mircea_popescu bare cunts dancing! [14:51]
pete_dushenski nubbins` ya well administration after graduation is very much closing the barn doors after the horses have left [14:52]
nubbins` in other news, the whole "we have oil, let's spend money" thing has given way to "the price of oil is out of our hands, let's aww fuck it's too late" [14:52]
pete_dushenski admin before getting in (barriers to entry) can work [14:52]
nubbins` the school system is a pretty big barrier to entry [14:52]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski the only thing that can work is making the place be cool. merely "not suck" is not good enough. [14:53]
mircea_popescu have "toss the feminist" festivals, people (that aren't retards) may wanna come. [14:53]
nubbins` it is cool, but it just can't pay manual laborers $70k/year [14:53]
mircea_popescu otherwise... whatever, anonimity is hard. [14:53]
mircea_popescu nubbins` lol the other kinda cool. [14:53]
nubbins` it is the other kind ;( [14:54]
mircea_popescu no it's not lmao. [14:54]
mircea_popescu << good point. [14:54]
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mircea_popescu im curious too, vicariously. if you figure it out say. [14:55]
pete_dushenski i'd argue that uni is currently very 'cool' [14:56]
pete_dushenski or at least fashionable [14:56]
mircea_popescu nubbins` how did you get the idea twodogs is cool as in, someone'd want to move there as a thing to do, rather than "whatever, they are giving out money here" [14:56]
pete_dushenski this seems to accomplish the objective of keeping an inflated population off the streets and little more [14:57]
mircea_popescu uni being cool don't enter into it. florida and arizona party schools are very cool, i would visit, i would not ever stay lmao [14:57]
pete_dushenski ok so 'the place' isn't uni ? what is it ? [14:58]
mircea_popescu back when new york was cool, it was principally broadstreet. [14:58]
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mircea_popescu generally, it's the "bare cunts dancing" district that makes or breaks a city's cool. [14:58]
nubbins` mircea_popescu i'll blithely respond by gesturing to all the people in my life who came here by chance and never left again 8) [14:59]
mircea_popescu you just opened yourself for a pile of rocks thrown eh. [14:59]
mircea_popescu any cool people among them ? [14:59]
pete_dushenski so you'd want to visit nyc then [14:59]
nubbins` none as cool as, say, you [14:59]
pete_dushenski but like arizona state or w/e, not stay [14:59]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski incredibly enough, it's not how that works. [15:00]
mircea_popescu somehow "cuntslime on every rock" makes a place want you to stay. which is exactly why las vegas exists. [15:00]
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pete_dushenski so cities =! schools [15:00]
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pete_dushenski but vegas is also god awful [15:01]
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pete_dushenski pretty much on par with nyc [15:01]
mircea_popescu how awful it is has no bearing on how cool it is. new york sucked at all points. [15:01]
mircea_popescu so did london, so did rome. etc. [15:01]
mircea_popescu << heh. aren't you glad you followed trilema biases and never touched that shit. [15:03]
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pete_dushenski mircea_popescu seems like this is also how calgary is cool but largely sucks [15:04]
mircea_popescu i don't think it ever reached the level. i mean it's been trying, ever since the 80s winter games etc. but... [15:04]
mircea_popescu it's not easy, being cool. [15:04]
pete_dushenski it's endlessly sprawling and full of self-important consumers, but the stampede draws out the ladies [15:05]
mircea_popescu this is in no sense what i said, however. [15:05]
mircea_popescu ladies that take "drawing out" are the anticool. [15:06]
pete_dushenski ha! [15:06]
pete_dushenski well said [15:06]
pete_dushenski in that sense, it's really only vegas that strikes me as a cool place on the continent [15:07]
mircea_popescu not really, not anymore. not since hughes bought the cool people out. [15:07]
mircea_popescu << in other news... tsa now outsourcing their idiocy to airlines. [15:07]
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mircea_popescu because hey, why should you get blamed for doing something stupid ? force others to do it for you! [15:08]
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pete_dushenski in the sense that cool is relative, vegas, for all its abhorrence, is still cooler than whatever else there is [15:08]
pete_dushenski by your definition [15:08]
mircea_popescu some corbett dude is really going after teh tsa. [15:08]
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mircea_popescu pete_dushenski i can see that point yeah. [15:09]
mircea_popescu problem is, it's like money : either you have fully monetized cool, and then it's cool and that's that, suck it. [15:09]
pete_dushenski re: tsa outsourcing, 'tis basically just el-al protocol [15:09]
mircea_popescu or else you have partially unmonetized cool, and then there's different cools vying. like, las vegas is the cool for people like liz blakely. however, san diego is the cool for people like leah mcfuckface, what's her name [15:10]
mircea_popescu the dumb newsweek goon that "discovered" satoshi [15:10]
pete_dushenski even qantas did this recently: 'are you carrying more than $10k in monies' and 'are you a tewowist' thing [15:10]
pete_dushenski mcgrath ? [15:11]
mircea_popescu such nuts. "wtf dude it's not your business how much money i got" [15:11]
mircea_popescu yeah that. [15:11]
pete_dushenski super such nuts. [15:11]
pete_dushenski felt like they were trying to protect their dollar from alien invaders or something [15:11]
pete_dushenski el-al at least sticks to 'oh so you were on kibbutz for 2 months, what's the hebrew word for milk ?' [15:12]
pete_dushenski qantas was a whorish imitation [15:12]
mircea_popescu << wtf nation of fucking otakus over there or what ?! it's like the 5th grade, "o may gawd he grabbed her butt!!" of fucking course he did. what did you think it's for ? [15:12]
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mircea_popescu pete_dushenski "it wasn't a diary kibbutz, it was a bombs and explosives kibbutz. DIE GREAT SATAN!!!" [15:13]
pete_dushenski lmao! [15:13]
pete_dushenski p.s. who is liz blakely ? [15:14]
mircea_popescu a decade or w/e ago i last visited the us, they wanted to know if i have any real clothes. [15:14]
mircea_popescu i guess this qualifies in the same line. but at least it was fucking customs, not the airline. [15:15]
mircea_popescu honestly, it looked more like a private concern of the guy's. [15:15]
pete_dushenski 'real clothes' ? wtf is that ? were they suspicious of the gypsy with money braided in his fro ? [15:15]
mircea_popescu lol. i had suits and white shirts etc. [15:15]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Did you not have your TSA approved paper gown? [15:15]
mircea_popescu i never saw the tsa, somehow. [15:16]
mircea_popescu << very desirable, as shown by the infantile giggling reaction to even a faint whiff. [15:16]
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mircea_popescu "In any business, including the Federal Government" << check it out ?! it's a business now ? [15:18]
mircea_popescu "we're in the business of fucking shit up!" [15:18]
* pete_dushenski would love to see the catholic church, or similar, admit the same [15:20]
mircea_popescu << this is fucking insane. "federal employees are not overpaid because federal govt is a business except it's not a business, and other businesses that are businesses skew the business average data!!!! federal employees are not overpaid by comparison to federal employees, in fact thjere's a perfect 1:1 correspondence" [15:28]
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mircea_popescu where the fuck do these idiots go to school ? clearly it must be a special venue. [15:28]
mircea_popescu << duh. [15:29]
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pete_dushenski especially when it pops up so readily on teg googles [15:34]
pete_dushenski the lulzy thing about federal, and other gov employees, is that they think they're underpaid! [15:34]
mircea_popescu well they ARE doing a great job at fucking shit up [15:35]
pete_dushenski they imagine that private contractors, who charge millions of dollars for various and sundry services, are making mad bank [15:35]
mircea_popescu that's not the problem. [15:35]
pete_dushenski while the private ceo's might be, the average gov emplyee is better paid and works less than the private contractor [15:36]
mircea_popescu they imagine that if they were in the private sector, they'd be contenders for vp of jpm [15:36]
mircea_popescu rather than struggle to make it as a janitor at mcd. [15:36]
pete_dushenski lol right [15:36]
mircea_popescu just like pansy ass middle class priss imagines if she were a street hooker she'd dazzle everyone with her charms. [15:36]
pete_dushenski the only published salaries for private employees are 7 figures [15:36]
mircea_popescu and on it goes. [15:36]
pete_dushenski and they imagine that their 6 would become 7 if only they were paid what they're worth [15:36]
pete_dushenski and yet, they don't leave [15:37]
mircea_popescu part of the problem is that they have plenty of time to daydream. [15:37]
mircea_popescu which is how bad 'regulations" come about too. [15:37]
pete_dushenski 'this is how it COULD work' [15:37]
pete_dushenski they'd be better off writing children's books [15:37]
mircea_popescu as long as no children actually read the abominations. [15:38]
pete_dushenski which, i suppose is what gov regulations really are [15:38]
pete_dushenski they're for the child-at-heart-and-at-head [15:38]
pete_dushenski so 'think of the children' is perfectly valid in this la-la-land because it equates to 'think of me' [15:39]
pete_dushenski and what child doesn't think that they're the centre of the known universe ? [15:39]
pete_dushenski hint: one without parents [15:39]
mircea_popescu one. two three [15:39]
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gabriel_laddel And also for the American Universities the tide may be turning. Traditionally they have been asked to train the work-force for the American industry, while the question of educating the industry so as to be worthy of their graduates was left untouched. But, currently, companies in Silicon Valley seem to be folding up at a higher rate than they are erected. I consider that good news because it could drive home the me [15:42]
gabriel_laddel ssage that neither slogans like "knowledge-based decision aids", nor a combination of adhoccery and brute force will do the job. (It is regrettable that large groups only come to their senses after their day-dreams have turned into nightmares but, this being so, we should occasionally welcome the nightmares.) [15:42]
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mircea_popescu ahahahaha [15:42]
mircea_popescu wait wait, the industry is to be trained to be worthy of all the outpouring social studies experts ? [15:42]
mircea_popescu epic. [15:42]
mircea_popescu yes, silicon valley is going to fail. this is BECAUSE OF US. nothing else. [15:43]
gabriel_laddel bonus: [15:43]
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mircea_popescu no doubt in my mind they'll actually do it. nothing else they could do. [15:45]
mircea_popescu such glorious. [15:45]
mircea_popescu wasn't dijkstra dead tho ? [15:46]
gabriel_laddel nah, he lived until into the 2ks iirc [15:47]
mircea_popescu 1984 speech [15:47]
mircea_popescu well, in THAT context his quote means substantially something else than what i took it to mean, made 30 years later. [15:47]
gabriel_laddel eh, not much has changed in the intervening years. s/moocs/knowledge-based decision aids [15:52]
gabriel_laddel "the tumor has grown" [15:52]
gabriel_laddel surprise [15:52]
mircea_popescu a lot has changed actually. in 1980s the battle was on to get ibm to stop fixating on "ibm men wear suits" to the detriment of all else. [15:52]
mircea_popescu today the issue is more "who is going to deliver the 500`000`000 beatings needed by these idiot kids" [15:53]
gabriel_laddel Hm. Seems to me that it [15:53]
gabriel_laddel 's the same problem. Lack of contact with reality. Without a war or some such you'll have a class of people who revert to judging others by their suits/hoodies/lack of personality [15:54]
gabriel_laddel That class has grown considerably, right along with inflation. [15:55]
mircea_popescu perhaps. tho the "ibm look" of the 1980s was more of a testament of obedience, much in the manner an [insecure] master may mandate slavegirls wear collars. [15:55]
mircea_popescu whereas the hoodies of 2010 are a testament of anomie. [15:55]
mircea_popescu "we could be creative, there's certainly nothing keeping us from it" sorta thing [15:55]
gabriel_laddel Another interesting EWD for those who've not had the pleasure of reading Dijkstra: [15:56]
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mircea_popescu "so they why aren't you ? why is it still the same three kiddie pools you're threading all over ? they're muddy and green ffs!" "sshh!" [15:56]
mircea_popescu The final reason for my refusal is that the habit appeals to the quantitative mind and I come from a culture in which the primarily quantitative mind does not evoke admiration. [A major reason that we considered Roman Catholics to belong to a lower class was precisely their quantitative bent: they always counted, number of faithful, number of days in purgatory, you name it.....] [15:59]
mircea_popescu an interesting point, tho im not entirely sure what value it carries. warp and weft, as he says. [15:59]
mircea_popescu " (If you even wondered why I did not join Disneyland or IBM, you now know why. )" << gabriel_laddel see ? right there. [16:02]
gabriel_laddel I had that quote in the scratch buffer right along with some others prior to posting in the chat. Did read. [16:05]
gabriel_laddel It seems to me that again, the basic mechanism is the same. But then again, I wasn't there, and surely cannot comprehend the suit fetish in its full absurdity. [16:06]
mircea_popescu anyway, thank god dijkstra died and i don't have to read 2014 abominations from him like i have to read 2014 "manifest destiny" abominations from buffett. [16:07]
mircea_popescu it's always sad when a great mind dies. it's worse when it just goes dark and keeps on living. [16:07]
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gabriel_laddel ;; google sickboy's theory of life [16:07]
gribble Sick Boy's Unifying theory of life - YouTube: ; Trainspotting (4/12) Movie CLIP - Sick Boy's Theory of Life (1996) HD: ; Trainspotting (1996) - FAQ - IMDb: [16:07]
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mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel you readily can. it's like trying to keep a 16yo girlfriend today. think of that, you have the model. [16:07]
mircea_popescu stupidity never ever changes, at all. [16:07]
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gabriel_laddel "The intelligence level shifts because the experience level shifts. Warren speaks on his experience from 1930 – Jay is from a different culture and different time in history. His intelligence should be measured by the decisions that he makes, not by stories he tells of his previous environment. Just the fact that he is making the decision to surround himself with a mentor like warren buffet should tell you a lo [16:09]
gabriel_laddel t about this young man. His net worth of 607MM should say a lot to." [16:09]
gabriel_laddel hahahaha [16:09]
BingoBoingo ;;google "Universe 25" [16:10]
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gabriel_laddel (I googled "buffet manifest destiny") [16:10]
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ascii_field danke BingoBoingo! [16:11]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: you just need a pulse << not how it worked in ussr. sadistic entrance exams (for sci degree, that is. not for meritwash of apparatchik children, that was done american-style) [16:12]
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mircea_popescu ascii_field obviously not. i was asking him about his country today. [16:14]
ascii_field there's a country where they have this ? [16:14]
mircea_popescu otherwise, about one 18 yo girl per 1000 killed herself (chiefly by hanging) for having done a poor job on the exames. [16:14]
ascii_field straight to jp [16:15]
ascii_field where this is sop [16:15]
mircea_popescu imo this is the mark of a good exam. if you don't get 1 female suicide out of 1k, you'e not really doing an exam. [16:15]
ascii_field sounds pathetically low [16:15]
mircea_popescu who the fuck is "jay" [16:15]
mircea_popescu and who the fuck "surrounds themselves" with mentors. is this jay's movie ? [16:16]
ascii_field you get 1 of 1000 at 'standard temperature and pressure' in some places [16:16]
mircea_popescu ascii_field no, it's 1 per 10k normally, and notice the age specification. you'd get about 1 to 300k 18yo suicides normally. [16:16]
nubbins` hm [16:17]
* ascii_field is listening to a '3d printer' go, and it's strangely hypnotic - like 'dot matrix' printer but less grating on the ear [16:18]
nubbins` i saw this ridiculous youtube ad about this asshole with an obv rented lambo [16:18]
nubbins` talking about how he found 5 mentors! [16:18]
nubbins` and he can now teach you their secrets [16:18]
ascii_field at this point i can tell the topology being printed by the sounds, though not the geometry, and it's creating a strange picture in head [16:19]
nubbins` the logical conclusion is 10 of them performing the imperial march [16:19]
ascii_field eh already done [16:19]
punkman I didn't explain well before, here's how it works: 1. last year of high school you, national exams. 2. you make ordered list of unis you'd like to study at 3. exam grades and minimum grade for each uni are published. 4. congratulations, you got your 27th choice. [16:19]
punkman and you kinda have to be an amoeba to not get in some uni [16:20]
nubbins` wake me up when they can play rachmaninoff ;p [16:20]
mircea_popescu punkman thats exactl;y how it works everywhere, romania, france. "bacalaureat" is the proper term, tho prolly greeks don't use it ? [16:21]
thestringpuller ascii_field: you're leaving your house quite often these days. I thought you may have developed agoraphobia. [16:21]
mircea_popescu in any case, it's a great system, but a) most kids have to pay and b) i forget. [16:21]
ascii_field thestringpuller: wurk [16:22]
mircea_popescu nubbins` tu du du duuuum tu du duu duuuum [16:22]
ascii_field ^ aha [16:22]
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punkman mircea_popescu: it was great when they weren't all "no kid left behind" [16:24]
mircea_popescu pity this got so fucking popularised. it's a great march. [16:24]
thestringpuller << d00d can't decipher sarcasm? [16:24]
mircea_popescu punkman romanians just make them pay, it's beautiful. "got a 9.9x on natl exams ? ok, free. got 9.85 ? 3k a year. fu." [16:24]
mircea_popescu so beautiful. [16:25]
punkman and we are basically exporting all the decent graduates, since nobody wants to live on 500eur/month salary [16:25]
ascii_field what kind of money is 3k-usd in ro ? [16:25]
ascii_field a toyota ? [16:25]
mircea_popescu ascii_field 9k gdp. basically, a salary. [16:25]
mircea_popescu tbh, there's absolutely no reason college time costs more than 10-15k in the us, either. [16:26]
mircea_popescu everything over that is just inflabezzle. [16:26]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: that's not even the interesting part [16:26]
ascii_field but the 10-20%/yr increment [16:26]
mircea_popescu ya well. [16:26]
nubbins` actually now that i think about it [16:26]
ascii_field outruns every conceivable other thing [16:26]
nubbins` there's been a tuition freeze here since like ~2001 [16:26]
* nubbins` shrugs, gives up [16:26]
ascii_field nubbins`: where i live, the 'tuition freeze' is a total scam. they raise 'fees' [16:27]
ascii_field that are mandatory but somehow 'not tuition' [16:27]
nubbins` there *are* more fees now -- rec hall fee, xyz improvement fee... but still a shadow of non-frozen tuition [16:27]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller guy's just trying to matter, i wouldn't read too much into it. [16:27]
ascii_field and housing cost, that of books (mandatory and unshareable because homework given through www for which password is a scratch-off card in book) etc [16:27]
mircea_popescu ascii_field who in his right fucking mind would participoate in this ? [16:28]
mircea_popescu i mean, just this. THIS. [16:28]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: who do you think? [16:28]
nubbins` in his right fucking mind is the key [16:28]
nubbins` a better question, who would fuck everyone else in the world, in the ass, for a free book? [16:28]
ascii_field who: folks who know they have a 1 in 10 shot at employment if they play, but 1 in 100 if not [16:28]
nubbins` and the answer is actually a fair number of people, university professors included [16:28]
gabriel_laddel ;; google uncle al SPEED HEALS [16:28]
mircea_popescu those aren't people. [16:28]
gribble Backreaction: New experiment doesn't see fifth force, rules out class ...: ; Boils: MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia: ; Kraven the Hunter (Alyosha Kravinoff) - Wikipedia, the free ...: (1 more message) [16:28]
gabriel_laddel eh. [16:29]
assbot SPEED HEALS ... ( ) [16:29]
ascii_field ^^ [16:29]
* ascii_field has the complete set [16:29]
nubbins` and yet they're still determining what the course materials are [16:29]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: actually my explanation is out of date, now that i think about it [16:30]
gabriel_laddel ascii_field: has complete set of Uncle Al? Worth every satoshi? [16:30]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: folks aren't signing up for uni because of employment, but as a temporary reprieve from... what comes next [16:30]
ascii_field gabriel_laddel: yes. and even bought it for actual money back when al was selling [16:31]
ascii_field still have the floppies. [16:31]
ascii_field i tried and tried, without success, to get schwartz in here. [16:31]
mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel we were going to put it on the cardano originally, but guy stopped answering emails. [16:32]
ascii_field got enough of a squeak out of him to learn that he's alive, but he doesn't sit on the net much these days [16:32]
mircea_popescu ascii_field of course. WHICH IS WHY THEY ARENT PEOPLE [16:32]
ascii_field sorta went perelman [16:32]
gabriel_laddel understandably. [16:32]
gabriel_laddel I've given a few people links to PERUSING THE LIMITS OF FAILED SYMMETRY [16:32]
mircea_popescu same exact thing happens in romania, 20sometrhing yo girlie, still very much mentally 15, does not want to learn to suck cock, does not think a job's high enough for her reddit-powered pretense, [16:32]
danielpbarron ascii_field [16:32]
gabriel_laddel they flip out [16:32]
ascii_field schwartz is one of my personal 'heroes' [16:32]
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danielpbarron not sure if i did this right [16:33]
mircea_popescu goes for a phd. parents support "education" becasuse parents are a) idiotic and b) mostly women buy the time she's 25 anyway [16:33]
ascii_field i did a good bit of supercomp heavy lifting for his eotvos thing, pro bono [16:33]
danielpbarron not seeing a /dev/ttyUSBx [16:33]
ascii_field danielpbarron: what's on the other end? [16:33]
ascii_field other end should be that little dongle [16:34]
ascii_field plugged into your werkstation [16:34]
mircea_popescu and the very few that do work, take up bs jobs a la "pr". which, in romania, is just about the 2010 version of "hairdresser". [16:34]
danielpbarron ascii_field, [16:34]
gabriel_laddel (allow me to retract "flip out" - they don't address any of the arguments, say that it pattern matches for 'crank'. I point out that this isn't an argument and that every sentence is clearly falsifiable. Conversation terminates.) [16:34]
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mats lol [16:35]
assbot The Harborly Blog | Bitcoin: the Stupid Way to Fund Terrorism ... ( ) [16:35]
ascii_field danielpbarron: and what happens? [16:35]
mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel and all that just from an essay ? [16:35]
danielpbarron the pogo light turns red after blinking green, and nothing new appears in /dev/tty [16:36]
mircea_popescu mats as they say, *someone* reads the logs. [16:36]
danielpbarron this was done to an otherwise untouched pogo [16:36]
ascii_field gabriel_laddel: schwartz actually experimented with cleaning it up and submitting as proper latexed paper to journals [16:36]
thestringpuller PM just told me of a NL company that does ecommerce [16:37]
ascii_field gabriel_laddel: got similar response [16:37]
ascii_field !s adelberger [16:37]
assbot 8 results for 'adelberger' : [16:37]
thestringpuller when you go to checkout, if you are using internet explorer, they charge you an IE tax to encourage people not to use it. [16:37]
ascii_field ^ the piece of shit who has to die for there being any chance of al's experiment being run in the english world [16:37]
ascii_field and not only him, but everyone who did degree under him, etc [16:37]
mats " Currently, for pure Bitcoin to Bitcoin transactions, there are multiple ways todiscover the location and identity of the individual in question." IPs are not locations [16:37]
mats " When an indivdual wants to buy or sell any sizable amount of Bitcoin, they need to interface with a Bitcoin retailer like Harborly or an exchange likeBitstamp, all of whom adhere to extensive KYC (Know Your Customer) policies." whats OTC? [16:38]
mircea_popescu "o look, we're stupid therefore carnot cycle doesn't exist" [16:38]
mats mircea_popescu: their reading comprehension is awful if they went and wrote this piece afterwards [16:38]
mircea_popescu mats it doesn't even load on my system, so there is that. [16:38]
mircea_popescu otherwise i'd have left them a comment. [16:39]
mircea_popescu ahaha "like harborly" ? who the fuck ius harborly. [16:39]
ascii_field gabriel_laddel: if you're interested in the eotvos thing, absolutely must read the old threads here [16:40]
ascii_field esp. how al's problem isn't fixable with money [16:40]
mats idk. another exchange that loves bootstrap from what i see. [16:41]
gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: Yep. Aggressive intelligence frightens the luddites(?) who have temporarily taken over. [16:41]
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mircea_popescu another exchange that loves making total fucking asses of themselves, that's for sure. any of the old idiots involved ? rosenfeld ? kenna ? [16:41]
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mircea_popescu it has the old bitcoin fucktard impertinence to it. [16:41]
mats i don't recognize any names on their about page [16:42]
ascii_field ty gabriel_laddel! [16:43]
mats connor black and gabriel ferrin [16:43]
mircea_popescu well anyway. when a bunch of idiots decide to make "their own exchange" and pretend like it has to do with bitcoin, it gets laughed at in b-a and goes away in about 18 months. [16:43]
gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: I remember that a while ago you mentioned you lectured at local universities. Was this in Romania aor Argentina? [16:44]
mircea_popescu romania. brief, mostly because friend ran it. [16:45]
danielpbarron ascii_field, when should something show up in /dev ? when i plug the usb thing in? or when the povo turns on? [16:45]
thestringpuller BingoBoingo: Maybe like thestringpuller's it is missing << pete_dushenski: I think that got fixed. tumblr is lik dumb. [16:46]
ascii_field danielpbarron: in a modern linux box, you get a /dev/ttyUSBx immediately [16:46]
ascii_field whether anything is plugged in on other end or not [16:46]
ascii_field (serial dongle cannot know) [16:46]
danielpbarron i do not get that [16:46]
ascii_field on the workstation end [16:46]
ascii_field wtf are you using for a machine [16:46]
ascii_field and kernel [16:46]
danielpbarron gentoo [16:46]
ascii_field does it show up in lsusb ? [16:47]
ascii_field and /var/log/messages [16:47]
mircea_popescu << actually pretty decent scenes. [16:52]
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danielpbarron ok apparently my computer has been dumping to /var/log/messages nonstop since my install and is now 21 gigs [16:53]
danielpbarron something about nvidia [16:53]
ascii_field l0l [16:53]
mircea_popescu lol [16:53]
mircea_popescu blockchain #2! [16:53]
ascii_field whaddayamean you don't have a dedicated monitor for /var/log/messages [16:54]
ascii_field like normal folks. [16:54]
danielpbarron i don't even know what that means [16:54]
ascii_field you know, box on a leg, displays things [16:54]
danielpbarron oh [16:55]
mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel for the sake of argument, can you identify an university that closer adheres to dijk's ideas set forth in your 2nd url than b-a ? [16:55]
gabriel_laddel nope. [16:55]
gabriel_laddel which is actually why I was reading it [16:55]
mircea_popescu " The external pressures to do the wrong thing are enormous, but yielding to them would be fatal for the academic enterprise, while resisting the pressure reinforces its strengths. The pressures are, in fact, so strong that I do not know a university where there is not some faculty or some department that has yielded, but there should be no mercy for snake oil pedlars on campus." [16:56]
mircea_popescu etc. [16:56]
* ascii_field is rather fond of dijkstra [16:56]
ascii_field he thought that university could become a fortress against dark age [16:57]
ascii_field like in the old days [16:57]
gabriel_laddel I've been having fantasies about WoT for academic matters. The ability to turn off an entire viewpoint in a graph-traversal. Ah. [16:57]
mircea_popescu it's the intended use. [16:57]
mircea_popescu not merely the "don't run code not in your wot". [16:57]
ascii_field gabriel_laddel: except that they -have- a wot. just, firmly under sc4mz0r control. [16:57]
ascii_field al schwartz, for example,. wasn't in it [16:57]
mircea_popescu all the way : [16:57]
assbot How to deal with pseudoscience ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [16:57]
ascii_field and couldn't possibly enter [16:57]
mircea_popescu studies not in your wot never happened. [16:57]
mircea_popescu cultural diversity actually possible, for likle... the first time ever. [16:58]
mircea_popescu ascii_field no they do not. [16:58]
mircea_popescu they have a reddit. [16:58]
ascii_field precisely. ergo, to 'respectable academia', schwartz never happened [16:58]
ascii_field could not happen [16:58]
mircea_popescu a reddit is NOT a wot., [16:58]
ascii_field how's it a reddit [16:58]
ascii_field doesn't vote [16:58]
mircea_popescu just like a crate is "like a car" except not a car. [16:58]
mircea_popescu in the most important manner : it's summable. a graph is not. [16:58]
mircea_popescu the value of a node depends on the path you take to it. [16:58]
mircea_popescu this does not exist on reddit. values of nodes are "absolute". [16:59]
ascii_field aha [16:59]
mircea_popescu and it does fucking vote. what do you think "peer review" and "tenure comissions" are ? [16:59]
mircea_popescu imagine the concept of "x is tenured for a1, ak but not for ak+1 an faculty members" ? [16:59]
ascii_field the basic cockroach in the soup is that traditional academia fights for usg table scraps [17:00]
mircea_popescu even the fact that "firmly under scamzor control" shows that it's not a wot. [17:00]
ascii_field i.e. who gets to eat [17:00]
ascii_field and who doesn't [17:00]
mircea_popescu scammers can't control a wot specifically because it's a wot. [17:00]
mircea_popescu re the entire discussion about "standardization" and how it's bad [17:00]
mircea_popescu you recall that thread ? [17:01]
ascii_field hm which [17:01]
mircea_popescu why we don't want to all apply the same scoring criteria for people ? [17:01]
mircea_popescu ;;google trilema how the wot is attacked how the wot defends itself [17:01]
gribble Advanced WoT course : how the WoT is attacked, and how ... - Trilema: ; You can't have door-to-door shakedowns in defeudalised France ...: ; Jooz and stereotypes. | Contravex: A blog by Pete (1 more message) [17:01]
ascii_field ah that [17:01]
mircea_popescu yes that. [17:01]
ascii_field it is deceptively easy to avoid the problems of usg academia if you aren't trying to deal with the question of how folks are to eat. just like it is very easy for an electromobile to 'not pollute' - superficially - because it lacks a tailpipe [17:02]
ascii_field but electromobile's energy doesn't come from the gods [17:03]
mircea_popescu the "folks are to eat" thing is not a problem. [17:03]
mircea_popescu every volk eats individually. [17:03]
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mircea_popescu how exactly they do it is really no-one's problem unless they start doing particular things. [17:04]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: point being that it's much easier to honestly work towards some useful end when not fighting over crumbs [17:04]
mircea_popescu this can't ever be a point. [17:04]
mircea_popescu it mixes two things that can't be in the same sentence. [17:04]
gabriel_laddel ;; google Henry Kissinger "the battles are so vicious because the stakes are so small" [17:05]
ascii_field this is quite reminiscent of the elektromobile thing, imho [17:05]
gribble Sayre's law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Academic Politics Are So Vicious Because the Stakes Are So Small ...: ; Henry Kissinger - Wikiquote: [17:05]
mircea_popescu "In the wake of the Cultural Revolution and now of the recession I observe a mounting pressure to co-operate and to promote "teamwork". For its anti-individualistic streak, such a drive is of course highly suspect; some people may not be so sensitive to it, but having seen the Hitlerjugend in action suffices for the rest of your life to be very wary of "team spirit". Very. I have even read one text that argued that uni [17:05]
mircea_popescu versity scientists should co-operate more in order to become more competitive..... Bureaucracies are in favour of teamwork because a few groups are easier to control than a large number of rugged individuals." [17:05]
mircea_popescu there's the story, how convenient. [17:05]
mircea_popescu find your own crumbs. that way a) we're stronger and b) there's no "income" tax. [17:05]
mircea_popescu because it's your own god damned income. [17:05]
gabriel_laddel Yep. It takes a while for people to figure this out though - especially when there are the remnants of actual intellects (von n., ulam) hanging around. [17:06]
mircea_popescu well the advantage is that people can take all the time they need. [17:06]
ascii_field works great for now, while there are plentiful crumbs scattered around. [17:07]
mircea_popescu not being goal-oriented, but cause-driven, la serenissima is in no particular hurry. [17:07]
mircea_popescu ascii_field there are always plenty of crumbs scattered around for the man carrying a large enough hammer. [17:08]
ascii_field what would 'being in a hurry' look like ? [17:08]
mircea_popescu < that. [17:08]
assbot Logged on 24-02-2015 19:20:08; thestringpuller: << d00d can't decipher sarcasm? [17:08]
ascii_field not sure how the imbecile connects here [17:09]
mircea_popescu besides the point. that's what being in a hurry looks like. "omfg, i wonder if there are many people following me", said that blair deffective while walking towards the elephant rifle in hand [17:10]
mircea_popescu he should have had twitter. [17:10]
ascii_field lol! [17:10]
mircea_popescu well ? [17:10]
ascii_field but that's not 'hurry' per se, that's democraretardation [17:11]
mircea_popescu no, that's hurry per se. [17:11]
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ascii_field ty mircea_popescu [17:11]
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mircea_popescu "Under current circumstances I would not even attempt to promote co-operation between the academic and the industrial worlds, because it seems pointless and dangerous. I have come to the conclusion that, industrial management being what it is, it is extremely unlikely that computing science can save the computing industry. Conversely, the computer industry can severely damage computing science; it does so quite regular [17:13]
mircea_popescu ly by the donation of equipment that had better be ignored." [17:13]
mircea_popescu no srsly, this is a great thing. [17:13]
mircea_popescu i had forgotten just how on point dijkstra is. [17:13]
ascii_field we did that one here, iirc [17:13]
ascii_field and yes, he was completely spot-on [17:14]
mircea_popescu "Academic computing science is doing fine, thank you, and unless I am totally mistaken, it will have a profound influence. I am not referring to the changes that result from computers in their capacity of tools. Okay, the equipment opens new opportunities for the entertainment industry, but who cares about that anyhow. The equipment has enabled the airline industry to make its rates so complicated and volatile that you [17:14]
mircea_popescu need an expert to buy a ticket, and for this discouragement of air travel we can be grateful" << my exact brand of ecology, [17:14]
ascii_field the actual field of comp sci was annihilated more thoroughly than anything the lysenkoists did to soviet biology [17:14]
mircea_popescu amusing how spot on he was huh :D [17:14]
gabriel_laddel "So, if I look into my foggy crystal ball at the future of computing science education, I overwhelmingly see the depressing picture of "Business as usual". The universities will continue to lack the courage to teach hard science, they will continue to misguide the students, and each next stage of infantilization of the curriculum will be hailed as educational progress. [17:15]
gabriel_laddel I now have had my foggy crystal ball for quite a long time. Its predictions are invariably gloomy and usually correct, but I am quite used to that and they won't keep me from giving you a few suggestions, even if it is merely an exercise in futility whose only effect is to make you feel guilty." [17:15]
gabriel_laddel - EWD1063 [17:15]
mircea_popescu heh. [17:16]
gabriel_laddel "You don't need to take my proposal seriously because it is so ridiculous that I am obviously completely out of touch with the real world. But that kite won't fly, for I know the real world only too well: the problems of the real world are primarily those you are left with when you refuse to apply their effective solutions. So, let us try again." [17:16]
gabriel_laddel and here we are. [17:17]
gabriel_laddel trying again. [17:17]
mircea_popescu amusingly, "Did the writer not know that the use of the term "the real world" is usually interpreted as a symptom of rabid anti-intellectualism, or did he not mind? " [17:17]
gabriel_laddel lolyeah [17:17]
mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel i specifically dispute the stance that we're trying "again". it's still the same one try, and it's still going oin magnificently. [17:17]
mircea_popescu has been, for millenia. [17:17]
mircea_popescu and yes, most derps & mooks have only a fleeting superficial view of it. so ? [17:18]
gabriel_laddel On that timescale, sure. when it comes down to Schwartz and Stan having years of their lives wasted... [17:18]
mircea_popescu to illustrate what i mean, here's a quote from the mooks in question : [17:18]
gabriel_laddel to say that "we" have not been set back is nonsense. [17:18]
gabriel_laddel what, the burning of the great library of Alexandria was just a blip? [17:19]
mircea_popescu meh i canbt find it. anyway, it was yet another of the "bitcoin has failed" but this one was because "greed made it not applaud gavin" [17:21]
mircea_popescu this can be rehashed indefinitely, but what exactly does it do ? [17:21]
mircea_popescu i burned books myself, what of it ? they sucked. [17:21]
ascii_field folks who mention 'alexandria' aren't usually objecting to burning books per se [17:22]
ascii_field but some - presumably interesting - only copy of xxxx that is now lost [17:22]
mircea_popescu maybe it sucked ? [17:22]
ascii_field or not [17:22]
ascii_field whole idea is, nobody knows [17:23]
mircea_popescu so then how's it a setback ? [17:23]
ascii_field in some cases ( mircea_popescu of all people ought to know ) partial copy of something survives [17:23]
ascii_field one (often overhyped but afaik factual) example of a total loss that is later 'un-lost' is archimedes having had fluxions [17:24]
mircea_popescu << since im digging up reddit. check out where "l'enfer, c'est l'autres" is identified as "using latin" [17:24]
assbot If you are more practically inclined, and having understood, accepted and come to terms with your fundamental human inferiority as it flows from your poverty, some solutions to your predicament of "I wish to buy myself a basket" have already been discussed. : Buttcoin ... ( ) [17:24]
mircea_popescu ascii_field but you take an eerily supermarket view of this setback thing. [17:24]
danielpbarron ok well i got the usb thing to show up in a live ubuntu, but nothing gets sent from pogo [17:24]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: hm? [17:24]
mircea_popescu tell me, if i burn the walmart in connecticut tomorrow, has capitalism had a setback ? [17:24]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: walmart != archimedes [17:25]
mircea_popescu books are the defecation product of thinking. [17:25]
ascii_field quite possibly a species only ever gets one or two of them [17:25]
mircea_popescu they aren't thinking per se anymore than an ashtray is a party. [17:25]
danielpbarron do i need to modify uboot to make it send through usb? [17:25]
ascii_field danielpbarron: the stock uboot iirc did spew something [17:25]
ascii_field check your pinout [17:25]
ascii_field also make sure your dongle is set to 115200 baud [17:26]
danielpbarron it is [17:26]
ascii_field try reversing rx and tx [17:27]
ascii_field they're almost certainly backwards [17:27]
ascii_field then - without unplugging the usb - power cycle the pogo [17:27]
ascii_field should see output. [17:27]
ascii_field failing this, boot pogo into arch and echo "something" > /dev/ttyS0 [17:28]
danielpbarron got it! [17:28]
ascii_field works? [17:28]
danielpbarron ya [17:28]
ascii_field congrats! [17:28]
danielpbarron tyvm [17:28]
ascii_field before re-closing chassis, [17:28]
ascii_field take a good close-up of dongle & pogo pcb [17:29]
ascii_field labeled with rx/tx/gnd [17:29]
ascii_field if you've the time [17:29]
ascii_field for other folks [17:29]
danielpbarron already closed it [17:29]
ascii_field also note that it will overheat if run at length w/out heatsink [17:29]
ascii_field (the aluminum plate) [17:29]
ascii_field at any rate, danielpbarron now has an 'adult' pogo [17:30]
ascii_field it is even theoretically possible to restore it if nuked 'uboot' as well [17:30]
ascii_field (marvell will slurp up a boot image via 'xmodem' though tty if you feed it) [17:30]
thestringpuller crafting completed. new skills unlocked. [17:30]
ascii_field all the rest of you with 'pogos', i highly recommend taking the time to do this mod [17:31]
nubbins` is the serial mod necessary or can i just ssh to the silly thing? [17:31]
danielpbarron i'll try to document what i did [17:32]
ascii_field nubbins`: it lets you debug boot, and see kernel output prior to nic init [17:32]
nubbins` aha. [17:32]
nubbins` so i don't need it unless i do, in other words [17:32]
ascii_field also lets you resurrect a wedged box [17:32]
nubbins` pret-t-t-t-t-y sure i've got an FTDI adapter here somewhere [17:33]
ascii_field (expect mircea_popescu to retort 'throw the damn thing out' but i'll note that they aren't exactly in limitless supply - nor do we yet know of an alternate box that is) [17:33]
ascii_field (i do have one of these, - ~18 usd - but it suffers from lack of sata, 32M(ram) 8M(rom), and a wifi chip that cannot be disabled - built into cpu and embedded antenna) [17:38]
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ascii_field cryptome dead ? [17:40]
mircea_popescu i didn't say that eh. [17:40]
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ascii_field ty nubbins` [17:43]
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cazalla BingoBoingo: Bad google <<< the amusing part of this is that the author of that article sued a porn actor who used the same name as the author, poor girl had to get a new name [17:51]
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cazalla girl in question [17:52]
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ascii_field porn - a-ok in usa; viewing porn without usg permanent record of the act - nope [17:54]
ascii_field never know who might have to be 'robert borked' in the future. [17:55]
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mircea_popescu google is scummy by now. [18:00]
mircea_popescu ascii_field how's banning porn further that ? [18:01]
mircea_popescu no, it's just provincialism, the same idiotic middle age women that run apple now run google. [18:01]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: not banned. permitted in 'viewable only to registered' sites. [18:02]
ascii_field it's being herded. [18:02]
mircea_popescu heh. [18:03]
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mircea_popescu cunts shackled and sad on the internet their forecunts had fought to conquer ? [18:03]
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mircea_popescu but yes, the "sexual disorder" of the 90s is definitely coming to a close. it's too expensive, and to most dickheads undesirable anyway. [18:03]
mircea_popescu the gays got their way with marriage prior to the freeze, but that's it. pedos aren't getting theirs. [18:04]
mircea_popescu who cares that pedo today ==== faggot 1965. [18:04]
ascii_field much more politically useful even [18:04]
ascii_field electronic equivalent of toilet tank cocaine [18:05]
cazalla mircea_popescu: todd gack mysteriously missing. <<< yeah, what sort of name is that anyway? [18:06]
cazalla shame you can't todd gack someone on reddit with a few thousand satoshi [18:07]
kakobrekla buttstamp is looking for 'senior django developer' [18:11]
kakobrekla a friend replied telling them he can fix everything that is wrong, but they dont want that. [18:13]
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ascii_field ty kakobrekla! [18:14]
ascii_field kakobrekla: how do -you- normally answer letters from people offering to 'fix everything that's wrong' ? [18:14]
kakobrekla idk if i was ever in a position where 'everything is wrong' was legit claim. [18:15]
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mike_c didn't you write bitbet in PHP? [18:22]
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kakobrekla nah, that was mpex [18:34]
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kakobrekla hehe, is true; [18:43]
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kakobrekla adont thank me [18:44]
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mike_c sekrit php detector. i had no idea. [18:51]
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PeterL pete_dushenski:weird thing is: seems to have no problem with it << I forgot I had to do a funny trick with codecs to get that to work, lets see if scoopbot works now? [18:52]
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mike_c elephant: [18:53]
mircea_popescu ;p; [18:54]
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mike_c and just because this should be immortalized in the logs: [19:01]
assbot PHP Sadness ... ( ) [19:01]
ascii_field last i checked, php wasn't mandatory [19:01]
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mike_c you lost me there. [19:02]
mircea_popescu i think it was in the logs from last time we did this [19:02]
mike_c not according to search [19:02]
mircea_popescu etc [19:02]
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ascii_field afaik nobody is forced to program in it [19:03]
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mircea_popescu no stemming eh ? [19:03]
mike_c intersting. slash is a word break but not a period? [19:03]
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mircea_popescu SOME dots are wordbreaks. [19:04]
mike_c word breaking is different from stemming. that feels.. wrong. mthreat is it normal for periods to not break words? [19:04]
mike_c ;;later tell mthreat is it an index option for periods to break words? [19:05]
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mats django. god help the one that accepts the job. [19:17]
mircea_popescu "the Web framework for perfectionists with deadlines" ? [19:19]
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mike_c what's wrong with django? i bit bloated, but there's a lot of good code in there. [19:20]
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mats a buddy of mine uses it only the daily. moans constantly. [19:29]
mats on^ [19:29]
ben_vulpes fuck it [19:40]
ben_vulpes fuck django, fuck rails, and probably fuck turbogears too. [19:40]
ben_vulpes while they can all be used well by people who know what they're doing, most people using them categorically do not. [19:41]
mike_c and the alternative is they build from a microframework and fuck up even more? [19:41]
ben_vulpes and in their experiments with object oriented programming create these insane class hierarchies that are impossible to fit into human working memory. [19:42]
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ben_vulpes mike_c: ever touched a clojure ring app? [19:42]
mike_c not with a 10ft pole [19:43]
ben_vulpes oh and let's not get into the ORM. [19:43]
ben_vulpes while again it can be used well by people who can use it well (intentional tautology) [19:43]
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ben_vulpes the novice's desire to not learn how relational databases work and how to leverage their strengths is damaging to both themselves and anyone downhill of them. [19:44]
ben_vulpes ORM/wire? [19:44]
mike_c i don't get it. you're saying a novice can use cojure ring and not hurt himself? [19:44]
ben_vulpes not at all. [19:44]
ben_vulpes a sword still cuts. [19:44]
mike_c so you are just offended by the offering of something between cojure/ring and wordpress. [19:45]
ben_vulpes but the surface area over which they can make mistakes is vastly limited. [19:45]
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ben_vulpes mike_c: keep in mind i'm approaching this from an empirical perspective. [19:45]
mike_c idk. noobs will make sites. and their wordpress blogs will be used in ddos reflection attacks. what can you do. [19:45]
ben_vulpes miserable django shites made by novices rapidly become very expensive to reason about. [19:46]
ben_vulpes rails, ibid. [19:46]
ben_vulpes (most wordprexen are cobbled together from plugins - not terrifically difficult to reason about) [19:46]
mike_c ok, but i'm not going to judge by how easy it is to un-fuck a particular framework done poorly. [19:47]
ben_vulpes there's something about working in lisp that seems to reduce the speed at which entropy chews apart a webdev project. [19:47]
mike_c or, there's something about those that choose lisp.. [19:47]
ben_vulpes i'm always cautious about that line. [19:47]
ben_vulpes mostly, because it's so damn easy. [19:47]
ben_vulpes and i speak not as a veteran here. [19:48]
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thestringpuller ben_vulpes: there you go with that lisp nonsense again! [19:50]
thestringpuller ben_vulpes: the best webdev lanuage is PHP. [19:50]
lobbes mostly, because it's so damn easy. << I played with lisp for a second, and even I felt like seemed way more 'intuitive' [19:50]
ben_vulpes (oh, and those "experts" in rails/django/yii/whatever tend to swallow wholesale whatever braindamage comes out of the "community") [19:50]
thestringpuller rails is da shit [19:51]
thestringpuller s/da// [19:51]
thestringpuller :D [19:51]
thestringpuller django is good for marketing teams who need to deploy content fast and don't have IT [19:51]
thestringpuller jurov hits nail on head [19:51]
mike_c or for webdevs that don't want to rebuild every wheel [19:51]
mike_c turbogears2 looks good too.. i have some vague memory of not liking sql alchemy for some reason, but that was awhile ago and i can't remember why. [19:52]
thestringpuller mike_c: yes. but rails took this overboard imo. [19:52]
mike_c agreed. i think rails has too much black magic [19:53]
thestringpuller the rails generate command is abused a bit too much [19:53]
thestringpuller i know the script kiddies love it, but probably same reason they defend node.js [19:53]
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ben_vulpes "No Thinking Required!"™ [19:56]
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ben_vulpes "Mindlessly Churn Out Crud Apps!" [19:58]
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ascii_field ty BingoBoingo! [20:09]
ascii_field boosts ego to the point of making any cooperation hard << wat [20:10]
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mats i spent the last ten mins reading BlueMeanie4's blog [20:24]
mats what a mistake [20:24]
thestringpuller mats: why did you submit yourself to that punishment? [20:25]
mats i wanted to see if he had anything useful to say in a long form medium [20:27]
mats turns out hes as retarded on a blog as he is on irc and twitter [20:27]
thestringpuller ah. Well he honestly thinks GPG contracts are failures because they are too hard to use...which is like retard believing he is not retarded. [20:28]
mats and anyway i like to see what people offended by mp are up to [20:28]
mats (the ones that used to hang here, anyway) [20:28]
thestringpuller mats: you've made me miss EskimoBob [20:29]
thestringpuller ;;seen EskimoBob [20:29]
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gribble evoorhees was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 31 weeks, 4 days, 23 hours, 29 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: I need to go for now, on later [20:31]
Adlai if anything, GPG contracts are too easy to use [20:33]
thestringpuller Adlai: drafting them to spec is difficult sometimes. Like coming up with a good statement of work, or an SLA [20:41]
thestringpuller but this is irrelevant of execution i suppose [20:41]
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cazalla how many times can you spot "legitimate" [22:11]
assbot Paedophile porn rings 'selling live streams of child rape on Skype', Europol warns | Daily Mail Online ... ( ) [22:11]
cazalla it's old news btw, for some reason they dug up a report from last year and ran it today as new [22:11]
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thestringpuller microsoft can't get a break (ms owns skype now rite?) [22:15]
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cazalla thestringpuller, yeah, i was gonna write it up under heading of hundreds of paedos use microsoft products to rape kids, but actually covered the report the above article mentions back in october or november last year [22:17]
cazalla microsft really enable these rapes because not only do the paedos use skype, but they use windows as well [22:18]
cazalla plus the paedos have the gall to use legitimate services such as Bitcoin [22:19]
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thestringpuller about as bad as Gavin killing those kids [22:20]
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cazalla actually there is a new report.. may as well write it up [22:25]
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mircea_popescu idk. noobs will make sites. and their wordpress blogs will be used in ddos reflection attacks. what can you do. << kvetch [22:38]
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mircea_popescu (oh, and those "experts" in rails/django/yii/whatever tend to swallow wholesale whatever braindamage comes out of the "community") << that's because these are experts in groupthink, having come of age in the 90s at the earliest. [22:39]
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mircea_popescu and anyway i like to see what people offended by mp are up to << lol me too. but this guy... he's not offended, he's just trying to you knwo, "make it in this game". [22:43]
mircea_popescu as that kid told that retarded cop once. [22:43]
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mats its revealing how people react when confronted with inadequacy [22:48]
thestringpuller similar to rejection [22:49]
cazalla you won't sleep with me? ya fucking slut! [22:51]
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mats hm, 'Citizenfour' is public domain due to being used as evidence in a suit [23:09]
mats er, that's a terrible construction, but anyway [23:10]
asciilifeform can we do that to the rest of them ? [23:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00040171 = 6.4274 BTC [+] {2} [23:12]
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mats i'm not really sure how it works [23:14]
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gribble 318572931.893 [23:15]
gribble I have not seen gribble. [23:15]
gribble Current Blocks: 345015 | Current Difficulty: 4.668437631686029E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 346751 | Next Difficulty In: 1736 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 6 hours, 2 minutes, and 44 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 43633659578.1 | Estimated Percent Change: -6.53477 [23:15]
-evilmquin- [Global Notice] Seems we're having connectivity problems to some of our servers. Please bear with us while we look into it [23:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13018 @ 0.00039928 = 5.1978 BTC [-] [23:19]
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mats [23:21]
assbot Defense provided 2 DVDs of Citizenfour as exhibit in Edwards suit. So film in public domain as unsealed record. On HBO 2/23/15. Leaking $. [23:21]
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mats i'm not certain that submission as evidence nullifies IP rights [23:22]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6336 @ 0.00039928 = 2.5298 BTC [-] [23:27]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6448 @ 0.00040347 = 2.6016 BTC [+] {2} [23:28]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14600 @ 0.00040368 = 5.8937 BTC [+] [23:38]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00040368 = 3.1891 BTC [+] [23:55]
cazalla scoopbot, fetch [23:58]
cazalla [23:59]
assbot Europol Uses Kiddy Porn Hysteria To Attack Bitcoin | ... ( ) [23:59]
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