Forum logs for 25 Feb 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
mike_c scoopbot fetch [00:00]
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scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/europol-uses-kiddy-porn-hysteria-to-attack-bitcoin/ [00:01]
cazalla mind of its own [00:01]
mike_c "I'll fetch when i damn well please" [00:01]
thestringpuller "When I feel like it" [00:03]
thestringpuller nasdaq.com covered that C4 nonsense: http://www.nasdaq.com/article/why-the-proposed-security-certification-for-bitcoin-matters-cm447831 [00:04]
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cazalla oops lol [00:08]
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Vexual New rules for foreign investors buying real estate in oz. You pay a small lubrication fee to the firb and despite any n shell companies you are liable for theoretical noncompliance fines. [00:16]
thestringpuller "lubrication fee" << hue hue [00:18]
Vexual Only took a week and everyone happy [00:21]
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mircea_popescu i'm not certain that submission as evidence nullifies IP rights << it's a right nightmare. [01:15]
mircea_popescu they'll be stuck arguing "context" [01:15]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller part of the reason it doesn't matter is that nasdaq would like it to. [01:15]
ben_vulpes http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/24/chicago-police-detain-americans-black-site [01:15]
assbot The disappeared: Chicago police detain Americans at abuse-laden 'black site' | US news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1AIGUR4 ) [01:16]
mircea_popescu part of the reason nasdaq would like it to is that it's yet anopther "make bitcoin more like fiat retardness" [01:16]
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mircea_popescu “It’s sort of an open secret among attorneys that regularly make police station visits, this place – if you can’t find a client in the system, odds are they’re there,” said Chicago lawyer Julia Bartmes. [01:18]
mircea_popescu heh [01:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15088 @ 0.00039161 = 5.9086 BTC [+] [01:19]
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asciilifeform 'black site' << snore, orc management pen. [01:22]
ben_vulpes no snore. [01:22]
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ben_vulpes this "snore" attitude is part and parcel of the decay. [01:22]
ben_vulpes "boring, world's going to hell in a handbasket." [01:23]
asciilifeform i mean, yes, we'll go there when time comes [01:23]
ben_vulpes where's the anger? [01:23]
asciilifeform but just as easily to another warehouse [01:23]
asciilifeform that's storing iPnohes or toilet paper today [01:23]
asciilifeform instead of condemned prisoners [01:24]
mircea_popescu you or them, about even odds atm. [01:25]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu optimist [01:26]
mircea_popescu what;s the guy's name, Jon Burge [01:26]
mircea_popescu no, im a realist. [01:26]
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mircea_popescu he just about got back out i'd guess. [01:28]
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decimation how do you negrate the city of chicago [01:42]
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decimation re: federal employees overpaid < I suspect the whole system operates as a net with a hole - all the talent get sucked in and immediately leaves, but the bottom suckers end up 'caught' [01:44]
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mircea_popescu prolly. [02:07]
decimation so, sure some feds are way underpaid, but the majority are overpaid losers [02:11]
asciilifeform overpaid << who envies these folks ? [02:11]
decimation naive clerks? [02:12]
decimation actually there's a deeper problem. When you 'work' for a 'democracy', your boss is 'the people' [02:13]
decimation when everyone is your boss, no one is your boss [02:13]
asciilifeform mostly imaginary problem [02:14]
asciilifeform in actual practice, there's an ordinary boss. [02:14]
decimation who is accountable to a chain of bosses who ultimately account to themselves [02:14]
decimation or maybe Obama fires people for failing to deliever? [02:15]
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scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/australian-drug-trafficker-pleads-guilty/ [02:22]
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mats http://aje.io/e8yq kek [02:25]
assbot Kerry: Moscow lying 'to my face' over Ukraine - Al Jazeera English ... ( http://bit.ly/1vxF1Ye ) [02:25]
asciilifeform speaking of which, [02:25]
asciilifeform http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/02/the-amherst-cauldron.html [02:25]
assbot ClubOrlov: The Amherst Cauldron ... ( http://bit.ly/1vxF5Hn ) [02:26]
mats "They have been persisting in their misrepresentations, lies, whatever you want to call them, about their activities there to my face" [02:26]
decimation one wonders how many usg state department officers would be hired by other countries if usg went bankrupt [02:29]
decimation "Oh I'm totally an awesome diplomat, look at my years of usg experience!" [02:29]
mats that post is silly. the guard would fail overnight. [02:30]
decimation http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/04/russias-diplomats-are-better-than-ours-105773.html [02:30]
assbot Russian Diplomats Are Eating America's Lunch - James Bruno - POLITICO Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1vxFB8s ) [02:31]
mats give it another four years and all the useful combat vets will have exited the service out of sheer disgust [02:32]
decimation mats: I've witnessed that happening too [02:34]
mats the clever ones are already losing their minds in group [02:34]
mats too much political fuckery, civ and mil, for any useful body to bear [02:35]
decimation unfortunately, this means that the current population of the military is strongly selected for nominal loyalty to usg [02:35]
decimation at least as long as the dollars keep rolling [02:35]
asciilifeform meanwhile, http://www.politico.com/story/2015/02/ash-carter-russia-vladimir-putin-defense-115421.html?ml=m_po [02:36]
assbot Ash Carter warns Russia on nukes - Philip Ewing - POLITICO ... ( http://bit.ly/1vxG6PO ) [02:36]
asciilifeform how many germans quit ss 'out of sheer disgust' [02:39]
decimation asciilifeform: why does usg keep wanting to bring back the cold war? nostalgia? [02:39]
asciilifeform why does a pyro burn houses? [02:40]
asciilifeform this is simply what usg... is. at least since it was grown enough to even -have- a foreign policy. [02:41]
mats SS didn't get stomped multiple times and asked to enjoy it. [02:45]
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mats granted, they were trounced in ... northern africa? my ww2 history knowledge languishes. [02:47]
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mats anyway, i did say useful. night folks. [02:56]
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ben_vulpes jurov, asciilifeform: as though "lisp" and "algol" even exist as actual things. [03:00]
asciilifeform folks keep insisting on discussing 'lisp' [03:06]
asciilifeform so why not algol. [03:06]
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decimation asciilifeform: unfortunately ada (derived from pascal-algol) has 1-based array indexes [03:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15186 @ 0.00040757 = 6.1894 BTC [+] [03:28]
asciilifeform decimation: foo: array (Integer range 0 .. N) of Whatever; [03:29]
asciilifeform decimation: so nope. [03:29]
asciilifeform at least, not if you don't want. [03:29]
decimation ah that's useful [03:30]
decimation all the examples I've found start with a 1 [03:30]
asciilifeform can start with 31337 if you like. [03:30]
decimation I assumed it was a language 'feature' like matlab [03:30]
decimation matlab 1-based indexing is enraging [03:30]
asciilifeform ada, like common lisp, is interesting for the mostly-complete absence of any obviously braindamaged decisions forced upon the user [03:31]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6065 @ 0.00040757 = 2.4719 BTC [+] [03:31]
asciilifeform ' If you have a powered up NEXTEL on your belt and you walk within 12 feet of a STU-III in secure mode you have just compromised the classified key.' [03:35]
asciilifeform (from vintage quasi-usg catalogue, http://www.tscm.freeservers.com/stu.html - apparently this has 'always' been on the net) [03:35]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1DnUWs9 ) [03:35]
asciilifeform ^ ninjasp4mwifi [03:36]
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decimation asciilifeform: how can any kind of signal magically compromise a stu? [03:40]
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ben_vulpes `emacs` on remote server pops x11 frame locally [04:02]
ben_vulpes `emacs -daemon && emacsclient -c`...not so much. [04:02]
cazalla mmm home made potato gnocchi with muh tomato/chilli sauce (both from garden) and chorizo.. just missing a beer : [04:10]
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punkman http://www.thoughtcrime.org/blog/gpg-and-me/ [04:51]
assbot Moxie Marlinspike >> Blog >> GPG And Me ... ( http://bit.ly/1MQsK6T ) [04:51]
ben_vulpes harumph. [04:52]
punkman !up benkay [04:52]
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ben_vulpes thanks punkman. [04:53]
ben_vulpes just...testing in production. [04:53]
ben_vulpes decimation, lmk if you need a hand with erc and sasl. [04:54]
ben_vulpes the trick is (drumroll please) [04:54]
ben_vulpes https://github.com/joseph-gay/erc-sasl [04:54]
ben_vulpes i [04:54]
assbot joseph-gay/erc-sasl · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1MQt2dK ) [04:54]
benkay ;;ticker [04:55]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 237.82, Best ask: 238.2, Bid-ask spread: 0.38000, Last trade: 238.11, 24 hour volume: 5762.20622708, 24 hour low: 236.3, 24 hour high: 240.98, 24 hour vwap: 238.981156577 [04:55]
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ben_vulpes if it's not one thing it's a dang nother. [05:12]
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ben_vulpes your cloak is applied after you join, fyi [05:23]
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gmaxwell man y'all will get a kick out of the latest foundation lol-event. They have some _utterly_ braindead 'blockchain voting' scheme for their board vote run off (gotta love changing voting infrastructure mid election for election integrity) [05:27]
gmaxwell So if you want to block Olivier Janssens from getting approved; for example get miners to just block payments to 1MG6SSwK2qSASM2QgBez2g4YFe3ib4d2eL. [05:27]
gmaxwell (the site is so broken that I'm having a hard time extracting addresses for the other options) [05:28]
punkman well at least they didn't do another fork to implement colored voting coins or whatever [05:29]
punkman let 'em derp (tm) [05:30]
BingoBoingo I am astounded at all of the ways they manage to keep screwing this election. [05:31]
gmaxwell At the moment it seems all you can do is vote in favor of Olivier Janssens (thats why I'm able to see the address there), the rest of the options are coming up as "not available yet" [05:34]
gmaxwell oh the jim harper options are up now too. [05:35]
punkman is anyone still buying foundation memberships? [05:35]
gmaxwell Org seems to be doing its damndest to commit suicide. [05:36]
gmaxwell I also like that contacting Jinyoung Englund to report how buste things are, gets me a "I am out of the office Weds, February 25 through Sunday, March 1, 2015" [05:38]
cazalla gmaxwell, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-02-2015#1032132 [05:38]
assbot Logged on 24-02-2015 17:39:09; mircea_popescu: this is exactly like suicide : the people who succeed we want. the people who fail should have succeeded. [05:38]
cazalla seems fitting lol [05:38]
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BingoBoingo I mean they were not doing too bad when they were just burning various agencies' time, but then they just pivoted and stopped doing that [05:38]
gmaxwell yea, I actually thought there work there more or less made sense; it had some liability (since they couldn't seem to resist letting people think they 'spoke for bitcoin') but it generally seemed to be going okay. Mostly burning pointless peoples pointless time, sure; but it was nice having _someone_ in combatting all the really agressive fud that some 'bitcoin alternatives' are slinging. [05:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9799 @ 0.00041516 = 4.0682 BTC [+] {2} [05:40]
gmaxwell Another interesting property is that it should be trivial to buy votes with this thing. [05:42]
fluffypony how are the votes authenticated? based on the address they're coming from? [05:43]
gmaxwell sadly they didn't use this in round 1 where a real statement could be made by buying all the votes and assigning them to a joke candidate. [05:43]
gmaxwell fluffypony: looks like it, hard to tell this system is opaque doesn't seem to be publically documented. [05:43]
gmaxwell They have some hacked up flaky counterparty wallet software that gives you some preset destitions to vote. [05:44]
fluffypony eugh [05:44]
gmaxwell looks like for each voter they fund them with 0.0021 BTC (and some amount of 'counterparty' altcoin, I dunno how to tell how much) [05:47]
gmaxwell looks like one can just take the 0.0021 BTC and not vote. [05:47]
gmaxwell (well the UI doesn't prevent it, but the user appears to have the private key for it.) [05:47]
BingoBoingo To the best of my knowledge the counterparty altcoin s just BTC that's mislabeled when you look at it through their wallet [05:48]
gmaxwell BingoBoingo: nah, it seperately tracks 'counterparty' value, like a colored coin, the bitcoin is irrelevant, and just gets around the fact that bitcoin core won't relay 0 value txouts and miners are lazy and don't change defaults. [05:49]
thestringpuller gmaxwell: now that is a name I have not seen in a long long time. [05:50]
fluffypony Star Wars reference high five! [05:50]
gmaxwell This channel isn't usually to my taste, but I knew some here would appricate this latest BCF lolspectacular. [05:51]
BingoBoingo Ah [05:51]
BingoBoingo The lulzslide is spectacular in this case [05:51]
cazalla gmaxwell, what about #b-a is not to your liking? [05:52]
fluffypony cazalla: the smell is kinda funky [05:52]
thestringpuller that's cause of all the funny smoke in the room [05:52]
gmaxwell I like how this ubersecure voting application embeds third party JS in every page (google analyitics); thats exactly how you go about building secure election and finance software. yup. [05:52]
gmaxwell cazalla: not my taste doesn't necessarily imply an active dislike. [05:53]
BingoBoingo Seriously. Google analytics is the worst. [05:53]
BingoBoingo cazalla: The porn isn't to his aesthetics. [05:53]
fluffypony I like GA for the interwebs, it's easy to block if you don't want to be spotted by it [05:54]
BingoBoingo fluffypony: Still people insert GA in places it doesn't belong [05:55]
fluffypony word [05:55]
gmaxwell It's just an extra sideshow on the general lolfest of incompetent broware. [05:55]
gmaxwell people building finance software, voting systems, etc. without spending 5 minutes thinking through possible failure modes and making trivial tweaks to mitigate risk. [05:56]
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BingoBoingo The entire AJAX bullshit is a scam. All of that user facing javascript is just there to same them on the server bills [05:56]
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gmaxwell yea, well, I've given up yelling "get off my lawn" at people, seems the whole world wants to eat suppositories and other such acts of brillance; my patience in telling other people that they're wrong mostly ran out years ago. [05:59]
punkman https://github.com/tedu/reop "a simple, semi-modern wannabe PGP clone" [06:02]
assbot tedu/reop · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1wbMask ) [06:02]
BingoBoingo punkman: He's got some really good ideas, but an elliptic curve? really? [06:04]
punkman "it's gotta fit in twitter msg" [06:04]
fluffypony Curve25519 is pretty great though [06:05]
gmaxwell BingoBoingo: not sure why you'd fault that. Any _general_ improvement in ECC pretty much directly translates into an improvement for factoring; the converse is not true. And all the alternative schemes for _encryption_ have high overheads and complex security stories (though one could use two cryptosystems in parallel intelligently for long term security; I tried arguing for that w/ openpgp years [06:07]
gmaxwell ago without success) [06:07]
BingoBoingo gmaxwell: I'm just inclined towards giant RSA keys and presenting a hard problem. It's just I'd like the option. That and ECC is already keeping the money safe... [06:10]
punkman gpg2 has ECC as well [06:12]
BingoBoingo punkman: gpg2 isn't really shipped with anything though because the interface on gpg2 actually sucks [06:12]
fluffypony I had to use gpg2 to recv-keys today, because gpg refused to (import filter bug) [06:16]
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scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/us-offers-reward-for-capture-of-retailer-of-cryptolocker-related-botnet/ [06:39]
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punkman http://www.gemalto.com/press/Pages/Gemalto-presents-the-findings-of-its-investigations-into-the-alleged-hacking-of-SIM-card-encryption-keys.aspx [07:03]
assbot Gemalto presents the findings of its investigations into the alleged hacking of SIM card encryption keysGemalto presents th [07:03]
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punkman here's one for you vex https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OG6WZoVfGao [07:13]
assbot Νίκος Ξυλούρης - Αγρίμια Κι Αγριμάκια Μου - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dox87I ) [07:13]
Vexual Yikes [07:13]
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Vexual !up rotary dialder yor pre phreak hipster [07:25]
Vexual Lol [07:25]
Vexual Yeah yeah [07:26]
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Vexual Cool handle [07:28]
Vexual Its prolly spelling something our [07:29]
Vexual Out [07:30]
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Vexual Or not [07:32]
Vexual Youre allowed to touch the button to verify u know [07:33]
Vexual Short press [07:33]
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punkman http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/02/17/state-department-spokeswoman-floats-jobs-as-answer-to-isis/ [07:41]
assbot State Department spokeswoman floats jobs as answer to ISIS | Fox News ... ( http://bit.ly/1DoCpfq ) [07:41]
Vexual Wot? [07:42]
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Vexual Next thing u know im not allowed to catch a train to turkey [07:45]
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Vexual Free passage for the masses I say [07:49]
Vexual Even 12 yo gals [07:49]
Vexual Identify of course [07:51]
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thestringpuller bitstein: re: gpg << "GPG is not what consumers have come to expect" is what I'm seeing here. [12:41]
BingoBoingo Consumers have driven computing too long. [12:43]
asciilifeform marlinspike << shitgnome and 'do-ocrat' [12:43]
mats some of the hn comments are, 'lets make gpg as usable as facebook: [12:43]
asciilifeform i've had a mild revulsion for him for as long as known about him [12:43]
asciilifeform but now can finally pour flondor cement [12:44]
mircea_popescu name is vaguely familiar. [12:44]
bitstein thestringpuller: I liked Pierre's comment: "Everything must be candy crush UX with JavaScript." https://twitter.com/Pierre_Rochard/status/570412801908477952 [12:44]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Most famous for serving as Twitter "security engineer" [12:44]
asciilifeform bitstein: link is not publicly readable [12:45]
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thestringpuller asciilifeform: but now can finally pour flondor cement << brutal. you sure you don't want to be a mobster? :D [12:46]
mike_c asciilifeform, why have you always had slight revulsion? I used to think better of him, but this article is useless. poorly written rant with no suggestions. [12:46]
bitstein asciilifeform: What I posted was the important part. [12:46]
mircea_popescu in a dick tracy sort of way [12:46]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: cement << the relevant line is from ru poet vysotsky, 'Я тебя не трону, а душе зарою. И прикажу в залить цементом, чтобы не разрыть.' -- 'i won't touch you, but in my soul i'll bury you, and order cement poured so as not to ever dig up' [12:48]
asciilifeform mike_c: elsewhere he suggests many things, all of them quite zimmermanesque [12:48]
thestringpuller old zimmerman or new zimmerman? [12:49]
asciilifeform new. [12:49]
thestringpuller reminds me of my current CEO, "Blah blah blah ENCRYPTION AS A SERVICE, blah blah blah. THE FUTURE." *applause from dumb audience here* [12:49]
mike_c phil zimmerman is a bad guy? [12:51]
asciilifeform mike_c: as of 2010 or so [12:51]
mircea_popescu nowadays ;/ [12:51]
mike_c how.. disappointing [12:51]
asciilifeform mike_c: pushes closed-source turds for iPnohe as 'ultra-secure' etc. [12:51]
mircea_popescu very. in there with bvuffett. [12:51]
mircea_popescu my heart was the size of a rice grain when djikstra got linked yest. [12:52]
asciilifeform dijkstra never betrayed [12:53]
thestringpuller mike_c: disappointing << people are disappointing no? otherwise we would not need WoT... [12:53]
mircea_popescu right. neither did zimmerman until he one day started derping about "dark phone" [12:53]
mircea_popescu actually, i recall mentioning here that "wtf, this guy publicly takes pride in having lost his gpg key ?" a while back [12:53]
asciilifeform dijkstra died as lived - honest man [12:53]
mircea_popescu thankfully. [12:54]
thestringpuller dat balmer syndrome...one day you're just "Developer developer developers" sweating profusely on a stage and you don't know why. [12:54]
asciilifeform this is why among the most brilliant jp inventions is the seppuku rite. (and, in euro world, the lesser roman version thereof) [12:55]
mircea_popescu assbot: Kerry: Moscow lying 'to my face' over Ukraine << roflmao. fuckwit lost some election long long ago, imagines what this does is put him in charge of Barbaria ? instead of you know, Usia ? [12:56]
asciilifeform instead of derping like headless chicken for decades, publicly dump out guts - if can make a statement with it, so much the better [12:56]
mircea_popescu same al gore schtick. "what's at state in a us presidential election is who gets rome and who gets constantinople" [12:56]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: actually he's reichsminister [12:57]
mircea_popescu that's not the point. the point is, who the fuck ever heard of the attitude. [12:57]
mircea_popescu "moscow" "lying" "to his face" ? wtf is he, supervisor in chief ? dad ? [12:57]
asciilifeform it's the absolute standard usian 'the planet is our banana farm' attitude [12:57]
mircea_popescu but he's a LOSER. [12:57]
mike_c moxie's sekrit thingy is open source though. that's better than somewhat silent circle [12:58]
mircea_popescu you know ? he's arguably not even PART of the usianistan. [12:58]
mircea_popescu decimation: "Oh I'm totally an awesome diplomat, look at my years of usg experience!" << this lol. [12:58]
asciilifeform sec. of state [12:58]
asciilifeform definitely 'part', no ? [12:59]
mircea_popescu were i putin i'd put something in pravda.us "Kerry is so inept I would fire him if I ran the US." [12:59]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i dun see it. [12:59]
asciilifeform read 'foreign minister,' to civilized folks [12:59]
asciilifeform our own little ribbentrop [12:59]
mircea_popescu why would anyone still receive him after something like this i dun understand ? [13:00]
mircea_popescu next he shows up have him detained at border for 36 hours, let him go with a 10 year interdict. [13:00]
mircea_popescu mats: give it another four years and all the useful combat vets will have exited the service out of sheer disgust << almost there anyway, yeh. [13:01]
asciilifeform moxie's sekrit thingy is open source though << ahahahaha lol. open just like openssl [13:01]
mike_c fine. i will deduct two points from his wot rating in my head. that's too bad. [13:03]
asciilifeform 'I simply asked him -- in a private email -- if there was a signature for Convergence someplace because I didn't see any online. He accused me of being "inflammatory" and stated it was necessary to "take a leap of faith" (i.e. download and run it without verification). This was back in 2012, mind you. He appeared to be oddly anti-PGP back then, too. Frankly, after that I had no appetite for any more of his, erm, style and forg [13:06]
asciilifeform ot about Convergence. Years later, I had to abandon DoNotTrackMe (by a Moxie-run company, Abine) nee 'Blur' for Ghostery instead when the former got an update that kept hogging the CPU. An email to Abine just yielded a response to keep updating Blur, but the problem never went away.' [13:06]
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asciilifeform ^ pasted here for the record [13:06]
asciilifeform because gigglets like this have a way of 'disappearing' from forums [13:06]
ben_vulpes "An agile, distributed, and secure strategy for replacing Certificate Authorities" << agile, hah. [13:08]
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mircea_popescu lol good idea. [13:10]
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asciilifeform thing is, the man knows what he's doing. not 'useful idiot', he. is including the zombie horde of 'people' for whom 'gpg is hard' in order to reach his conclusion, rather than reached his conclusion because useful idiot and automatically included them [13:11]
asciilifeform *including in his reasoning [13:11]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://www.noblis.org << usg dept. of btcdiddlery - incidentally. [13:14]
assbot Noblis Home ... ( http://bit.ly/1BtF5Li ) [13:14]
asciilifeform had various mildly smoking guns for this in stash for a while, now add the fact of them crawling specific pages on me site [13:15]
asciilifeform (why these folks insist on publicly advertising this act, is beyond me) [13:15]
thestringpuller !s codeclimate [13:16]
assbot 0 results for 'codeclimate' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=codeclimate [13:16]
BingoBoingo Maybe they figure everyone's depreciated reading /var/ [13:16]
asciilifeform i suggest that everyone check their server logs for these clowns [13:17]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: http://codeclimate.com << the non WoT version of http://trilema.com/2012/probably-the-hottest-business-idea-of-the-moment-in-btc/ [13:17]
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asciilifeform take with grain of salt, but folks fairly deep in the belly of the beast have suggested that 'noblis' is where the handprints from 'bitcoin atm' crap, pseudonyms from 'changetip' chumpatron, 'aml/kyc' idiocy, etc. all ends up. [13:20]
danielpbarron huh, i think he deleted my comment [13:21]
asciilifeform linked up with blockchain as well as they can [13:21]
PeterL "The best way to go is probably fixed fee + per line fee or something." I like this, encourages less LoC bloat [13:22]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform noblis ? could be incidental. [13:22]
PeterL ^from the trilema post just linked [13:22]
mircea_popescu they do a lot of contractor work crawling thre web [13:22]
asciilifeform PeterL: the notion that the folks paying are getting -anything- other than lighter wallet - is a laugh [13:22]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: could be. [13:23]
asciilifeform but a fella with 'loose lips' fingered them as where-nsa-actually-has-the-work-done. [13:24]
asciilifeform again, i'm 'selling this for same price as bought' [13:24]
asciilifeform http://www.noblis-nsp.com << diddlamatics division [13:25]
assbot Noblis NSP ... ( http://bit.ly/1EQwAHt ) [13:25]
asciilifeform jurov: 'behind' is wrong word here [13:25]
asciilifeform the way usg contracting works, folks eager-to-please get preemptively down on their knees [13:26]
asciilifeform and offer services [13:26]
mircea_popescu "behind" lol. btcatm has to report right ? [13:26]
danielpbarron i think my comment was something like "It's possible to achieve 'Perfect forward secrecy' with GPG; you're just retarded. And if it isn't brain damage, I can only assume you have been enlisted on to lizard hitler's payroll" [13:27]
asciilifeform idk if these folks run the phillipino content farms, but they are almost certainly the shepherds of the usg db with palmprints linked to blockchain tx from idiots [13:27]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: "diddlematics" << i never figured kako for a collaborator... [13:27]
asciilifeform ? [13:28]
jurov lol, like one can speculate i have created coinbr to preemptively get down on nsa or some such [13:28]
ben_vulpes it's a pun. [13:28]
asciilifeform jurov: coinbr doesn't collect fingerprints iirc [13:28]
asciilifeform or passport photos [13:29]
asciilifeform neither does kako's bet machine [13:29]
asciilifeform this is how you tell the difference. but this is elementary alphabet to #b-a folks [13:29]
jurov i can see them trying to. only by sheer luck is what i'm doing covered as "financial service" atm [13:30]
danielpbarron assbot collects fingerprints [13:30]
ben_vulpes jurov: "preemptively go down" << ftfy :P [13:30]
jurov so that i don't need to mess with eu vat [13:30]
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nubbins` incidentally, was there ever a qntra article about cavirtex shutting down? [13:31]
nubbins` they say they're shutting because they realized their customer db was compromised at some point in the past [13:31]
jurov but some day i can see them going "financial service? yea we got some regulation for you" [13:31]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: this is simply what usg... is << i actually have a more psychotropic theory. basically, on some subconscious level, us knows it's become uss. and what it wants is, the validation of "well i didn't do anything useful, but at least the stupid thing i did i did WELL". this to be obtained, in the way such nonsense works, by confronting the symbolic representative thereof and "winning". [13:31]
PeterL http://qntra.net/2015/02/cavirtex-shutting-down-withdrawals-temporarily-disabled/ nubbins` [13:31]
assbot CAVIRTEX Shutting Down, Withdrawals "Temporarily Disabled" | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1EQxAva ) [13:31]
nubbins` which sorta 100% agrees with everyone in #bitcoin-cad, including me, saying we started getting mysterious emails with .jar attachments around this time [13:31]
nubbins` PeterL ok! [13:31]
mircea_popescu notice that the us diplomacy is nowhere nearly as inept handling china. arguably russia is more of a threat tho, at least immediately. [13:31]
nubbins` PeterL they knew about the intrusion a year or two ago [13:32]
mircea_popescu chinese politburo isn't going around publicly and internationally humiliating us president with a monthly frequency. [13:32]
nubbins` let it coast until now [13:32]
mircea_popescu heh. so why now then ? [13:33]
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nubbins` that's the q [13:33]
asciilifeform china isn't in a deathcage match against rest of the planet trying for 200 yrs. to render its population for fat and to more easily get at the minerals [13:33]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2015#1032973 << win. [13:34]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform you think ? [13:34]
mircea_popescu maybe you dunno china. [13:34]
asciilifeform or rather, it is [13:34]
asciilifeform but unnoticed in the shadow of the ru match [13:35]
mircea_popescu lol. they have no trees and now cows. think about it. [13:35]
nubbins` PeterL https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=218435.msg8948075#msg8948075 [13:35]
assbot Official CaVirtex.com Thread ... ( http://bit.ly/1EQy98g ) [13:35]
PeterL nobody cares what china does with its peasants [13:35]
asciilifeform actually what cn has is precisely bipedal wealth [13:35]
nubbins` sept '14 [13:35]
asciilifeform folks who are still willing to assemble machinery for a penny a day [13:35]
asciilifeform without toilet breaks [13:35]
asciilifeform this is, by some indications, a non-renewable resource that's getting burned up rather quickly [13:36]
asciilifeform possibly even faster than the ones ordinarily spoken of [13:36]
nubbins` peak meat [13:36]
nubbins` hey, remember "peak oil"? [13:36]
asciilifeform thing is, assembling, e.g., pc mobos, isn't mining U at butugychag. you can't get quality performance at bayonet point [13:37]
mircea_popescu pack meat. lawl. [13:37]
asciilifeform so the 'willing' part is key [13:37]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i think this difference is spurious. [13:37]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if it were spurious, africa would be the real china [13:37]
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mircea_popescu no, it wouldn't. africa, as unfortunately and politically unpleasant that sounds, probably sucks because genetics. [13:38]
mircea_popescu otherwise, recall the zek research centers. [13:38]
asciilifeform ^ not secret [13:38]
PeterL somebody just has to get the Africans organized and industrialized [13:38]
mircea_popescu how exactly different from us research you think that is ? [13:38]
mircea_popescu PeterL the problem is : africa is essentially "they who stayed". those always suck. [13:38]
mircea_popescu it's been selected for 250k years for suckage. no fixing that. [13:38]
asciilifeform zek sharashkas is essentially the same thing as where i live now [13:38]
asciilifeform so i'd know something about. [13:38]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform and no bayonet ? [13:39]
asciilifeform 'carrot' [13:39]
mircea_popescu pointed carrot. [13:39]
asciilifeform what's the carrot for sitting at conveyor 12h straight with no toilet break ? [13:39]
mircea_popescu i dunno, i don't specialize in that shit. [13:39]
asciilifeform the carrot, as far as i understand, is that it looks like a great deal next to your grandfather's rotting in rice paddy [13:40]
nubbins` <+PeterL> somebody just has to get the Africans organized and industrialized <<< surely external help running the show is the path to self sufficiency [13:40]
mircea_popescu lol [13:40]
asciilifeform the essential ingredient is that your grandfather had to have rotted in the rice. [13:40]
asciilifeform if instead he drove 'mercedes' - then not so hot. [13:41]
mircea_popescu "hey, let's make it into the south pre 1830, then they can be invaded by lincoln v2.0 and have detroit!" [13:41]
punkman PeterL: somebody just has to get the Africans organized and industrialized << China's all over it, but they might have to import a billion chinese workers [13:41]
asciilifeform china imports own workers sop. [13:41]
asciilifeform this, incidentally, was supposed to happen in crimea [13:41]
mircea_popescu heh [13:41]
asciilifeform before the change-of-plans. [13:41]
asciilifeform !s china crimea [13:41]
assbot 3 results for 'china crimea' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=china+crimea [13:41]
asciilifeform they've developed an american-style agricultural practice for use in leased foreign lands, as well [13:42]
PeterL nubbins`: I am not saying self-sufficiency, I am saying rivaling china for output. I also have no idea how one would go about doing it, just saying there are lots of people in Africa which could be used as a resource for the right person [13:42]
asciilifeform that is quite like 'strip mining' [13:42]
asciilifeform PeterL: the quickest cure for this notion is to try it [13:43]
asciilifeform no need to go to the continent, even [13:43]
nubbins` PeterL no doubt. worth noting that "rivaling china for output" is not necessarily a positive [13:43]
asciilifeform try the local immigrants [13:43]
PeterL you want me to go over to Detroit and organize the populace into something not a worthless mess? [13:43]
asciilifeform ^ example [13:44]
PeterL "I have big plans, BIG PLANS!, as mayor I will accomplish AMAZING things, with your help!" [13:44]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [13:44]
PeterL my brother works in the Detroit Public Schools, from his anecdotes I have little hope things will change there. [13:46]
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mircea_popescu PeterL tis is rank nonsense, you know. [13:46]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: back to the cn phactory gurlz, it's an open economic question whether a particular one can physically generate enough wealth to pay for 'carroting' it [13:46]
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chetty put a big fence around Detroit and come back in a hundred years [13:46]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it's rather like how you cannot have an engine use more energy for, e.g., alternator, than burning fuel yields [13:46]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the idea is that you have someone trading you 1 joule of fuel for half joule of electricity. [13:46]
mircea_popescu that's how these economies always close. [13:47]
asciilifeform !up gabriel_laddel [13:47]
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gabriel_laddel ty [13:47]
gabriel_laddel ;; google chinese eat dogs, cats [13:47]
gribble 9 Countries That Eat Cats and Dogs | The Daily Meal: ; Dog meat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Cat meat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: [13:47]
asciilifeform chinese eat anything that can be digested [13:47]
asciilifeform (and attempt plenty of things that can't) [13:47]
gabriel_laddel it seems to me that if the west would just fuck off and let China have Africa everything will go swimmingly. [13:47]
asciilifeform recently there was a widely-copied newspaper piece re: tiger farms [13:48]
punkman http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gutter_oil [13:48]
asciilifeform yes, eat them [13:48]
assbot Gutter oil - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1EQApfQ ) [13:48]
asciilifeform aha gutter oil [13:48]
gabriel_laddel they don't have the same sensibilities, being a different people (*gasp*). [13:48]
asciilifeform best thing to prepare fresh tiger in [13:48]
mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel that's the plan. it won't work, but anyway. [13:48]
mircea_popescu time for some non-white colonisation failures after all. [13:48]
gabriel_laddel it won't work.. why? [13:49]
asciilifeform some non-white colonisation failures << jp got there first [13:49]
mircea_popescu why. because shit doesn't work. [13:49]
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gabriel_laddel http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/korea.htm [13:51]
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punkman http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/save-the-tiger-the-animals-bred-for-bones-on-chinas-tiger-farms-9636537.html [13:53]
assbot Save the Tiger: The animals bred for bones on China’s tiger farms - Commentators - Voices - The Independent [13:53]
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punkman apparently not for meat [13:53]
punkman "The Xionsen Wine Company sells bottles of eight-year-old tiger bone wine, also fortified with tiger penis, for around £200" [13:53]
PeterL they make the wine from crushed bones of 8-yo tigers? [13:54]
NewLiberty I don't want to know what they did to the tiger to encourage that kind of fortifying [13:55]
mircea_popescu no, they crush baby bones let them sit for 8 years [13:55]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2015#1032999 << somehow... we were aware [13:56]
assbot Logged on 25-02-2015 08:22:52; gmaxwell: man y'all will get a kick out of the latest foundation lol-event. They have some _utterly_ braindead 'blockchain voting' scheme for their board vote run off (gotta love changing voting infrastructure mid election for election integrity) [13:56]
gabriel_laddel http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/property/pictures/9888398/Overhead-photos-of-cramped-apartments-in-Hong-Kong.html?frame=2489576 [13:58]
assbot Overhead photos of cramped apartments in Hong Kong - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1EQCbgN ) [13:58]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2015#1033036 << it implies the awkward situation where he's been an idiot, doesn't know how to beg forgiveness, represents instead that hey, at least claiming /his/ taste is somehow involved. at least that protects ego a little. [14:02]
assbot Logged on 25-02-2015 08:49:12; gmaxwell: cazalla: not my taste doesn't necessarily imply an active dislike. [14:02]
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-assbot- You voiced Phraust for 30 minutes. [14:03]
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mircea_popescu "the alleged hacking of SIM card encryption keys" eh ? [14:06]
mircea_popescu assbot: State Department spokeswoman floats jobs as answer to ISIS | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=23-02-2015#1030497 [14:06]
assbot Logged on 23-02-2015 15:20:03; mircea_popescu: the ONLY way i'd have them fighting overseas is if congress approves this plan whereby a) all territory we step on gets granted territory status ; b) soldiers once veteranized are rewarded in homesteads there, and HAVE TO marry local [14:06]
Phraust thanks. [14:07]
mircea_popescu yw [14:08]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2015#1033119 << that may not be exactly misleading, it may just be he spoke too early. maybe the plan is to pop the sks system, and if they put a little pressure who exactly is going to stand up to it ? [14:09]
assbot Logged on 25-02-2015 14:34:59; mats: also deliberately misleading folks about widespread use with the quantity of keys on sks keyservers [14:09]
mircea_popescu (we, of course, which prolly means we're redoing the sks too) [14:09]
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PeterL add that to the #b-a todo list? [14:10]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2015#1033123 << yes but social media crowd "has no time". somehow they can jump the moment the damned phone blink, but to spend an hour to think quietly with a book ? not possibru. [14:10]
assbot Logged on 25-02-2015 14:39:34; lobbes: "Looking forward, however, I think of GPG as a glorious experiment that has run its course. The journalists who depend on it struggle with it and often mess up (“I send you the private key to communicate privately, right?”)" << lol, this doesn't sound like a problem with gpg. I'll never understand this 'hard-to-use' argument. Just take an afternoon and learn the fundamentals! [14:11]
mircea_popescu "wouldja like brainfries with that ?" [14:11]
mircea_popescu PeterL not just yet. [14:11]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2015#1033125 << what we've learneds is to take the usg party at the opposite of its word. [14:11]
assbot Logged on 25-02-2015 14:42:59; mats: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9104188 >> mike_hearn "In the world of crypto, where we've learned so much, yes old means bad. Almost always... How many crypto geeks STILL spout rubbish about how the PKI is totally busted and the web of trust is the future? Way too many... The future of encrypted messaging is not GPG." [14:11]
mircea_popescu but that quote is fucking epic. [14:12]
BingoBoingo but, how could the chief scientusk of BitcoinXT be wrong? [14:12]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell bitstein in a purely ops perspective, it's always a bad idea to link those you disagree with. replace with a link to something you agree to. @moxie knows what he wrote. [14:13]
gribble The operation succeeded. [14:13]
mircea_popescu wait wut ? [14:13]
nubbins` today i learned it is legal to sell and serve dog meat in canada [14:13]
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mircea_popescu nubbins` it's often enough eatne in spain. [14:14]
mircea_popescu anyway, the speed at which the entire world seems to be coagulating around us is nothing short of impressive. [14:14]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: BitcoinXT is the hearn foundation Bitcoin fork which has all kinds of features even Gavin rejected because they make nodes incredibly more DoS attackable [14:14]
mircea_popescu that b-a drives "biutcoin foundation" policy is not even remarkable. that assets like the marlinspike dood are thrown in the fray to try and prevent a wot based republic however... [14:15]
mircea_popescu at this rate indiancandy1 is getting replaced with madonna on the short term. [14:15]
nubbins` mildly amusing to see this phoundation push for full nodes after it started being worked on in here [14:16]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo oh that lol. eh, nobody cares. [14:16]
mircea_popescu nubbins` rather. [14:16]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo and you know, if you follow the course of events, #1 we went to anti-uspoettering debvian chan [14:17]
mircea_popescu next week ? ra ra ra "no wot plox" [14:17]
BingoBoingo It is amusing. Still when it comes time to replace GPG it will look more like https://github.com/tedu/reop than any Moxenslit iPerson thing (except... with RSA support and done in ADA/Common Lisp) [14:20]
assbot tedu/reop · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1EQFV1Z ) [14:20]
chetty http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/21310/ [14:22]
assbot ‘Activism’ class at University of Michigan teaches capitalism should be ‘overthrown’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1EQGdWA ) [14:22]
mircea_popescu but by all means. [14:23]
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mircea_popescu in unrelated news, chetty just found a layered bug in the stack eulora uses. one bug prevented the functionality (wrong pointer reference) ; the other bug prevented the previous bug from crashing every single machine all the time. [14:29]
mircea_popescu one suspects this is what counts for fixing. [14:29]
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BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2015/02/ny-environmental-protection-raid-drives-suicide/ [14:35]
assbot NY "Environmental Protection" Raid Drives Suicide | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1EQIiBX ) [14:35]
mircea_popescu o.O [14:36]
mircea_popescu til internet dictionaries define indigence as "the state of being poor". [14:37]
mircea_popescu this is exactly wrong. indigence is the state of being worthless. [14:37]
bitstein mircea_popescu: Good advice, thanks. [14:38]
mircea_popescu "That a public education system could disgorge untold legions of literate, numerate, and motivated graduates is beyond their collective comprehension. How unlucky the Caucasoid races are to have all the kids with learning disabilities." [14:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100850 @ 0.00042255 = 42.6142 BTC [+] {3} [14:41]
mircea_popescu bwahahaha al is pretty cool. [14:41]
mircea_popescu http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/korea.htm [14:41]
assbot BEING A GRACIOUS WINNER ... ( http://bit.ly/1EQJvJj ) [14:41]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: gonna guess it was a 'suicide' rather than suicide [14:43]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: or there'd be at least a few dead polizei [14:43]
asciilifeform or what, he kept pistol with exactly one bullet, like a cosmonaut ? [14:44]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Reportedly did it in a locked bathroom with a .357 magnum [14:44]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform not everyone's the outgoing kind. [14:45]
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mircea_popescu http://41.media.tumblr.com/3be524ce48d460c8ac02c7233198d107/tumblr_mvahj3b29T1qhisfxo1_1280.jpg << pony! [14:48]
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mircea_popescu "There just seems to be something particular about people who try GPG and conclude that it’s a realistic path to introducing private communication in their lives for casual correspondence with strangers. Increasingly, it’s a club that I don’t want to belong to anymore." << well... granted, eh. [14:49]
mircea_popescu the oil and the water are separating, and no welfarist state-sponsored mixer can do anything abotu the accelerating rate. [14:50]
mircea_popescu "Worse, it turns out that nobody else found all this stuff to be fascinating. Even though GPG has been around for almost 20 years, there are only ~50,000 keys in the “strong set,” and less than 4 million keys have ever been published to the SKS keyserver pool ever. By today’s standards, that’s a shockingly small user base for a month of activity, much less 20 years." [14:51]
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mircea_popescu "nobody else" as in, all people are equal, getting a 50k elite out of a 4mn aspirational set out of a 1bn population is somehow unexpected and un-natural. [14:51]
PeterL do people use keys not submitted to key servers? [14:53]
mircea_popescu "What we have [14:55]
mircea_popescu Today, journalists use GPG to communicate with sources securely, activists use it to coordinate world wide, and software companies use it to help secure their infrastructure. Some really heroic people have put in an enormous amount of effort to get us here, at substantial personal cost, and with little support. [14:55]
mircea_popescu Looking forward, however, I think of GPG as a very dangerous technology that really has to go away if we're serious about making it impossible for journalists, their sources, activists and other enemies of the state to survive in a NSA/TSA/ETC-only world." [14:55]
mircea_popescu PeterL sure, there's nothing but convenience requiring it. [14:55]
PeterL so that number of users could be understated [14:55]
mircea_popescu as a side note : secure comunication via gpg works as follows : [14:55]
mircea_popescu 1) you find the public key of the public interface you wish to use [14:56]
mircea_popescu 2) you generate - SECURELY (see airgap guide etc) a new keypair for yourself [14:56]
mircea_popescu 3) you send mail to 1 using 2 and including pubkey for your new key. [14:56]
mircea_popescu this can be repeated as many times as you wish, and it can also be used as an otr process (just make new key for each exchange). [14:57]
danielpbarron for the logs, perfect forward secrecy ^ [14:58]
mircea_popescu half way, because if the public interface is compromised it still sees all your emails. [14:59]
mircea_popescu "Even the projects that attempt to use it as a dependency struggle." heh [14:59]
danielpbarron the people throwing this term around are advocates of some fully automated process that runs on their phone, so... [15:00]
mircea_popescu http://www.thoughtcrime.org/blog/gpg-and-me/#comment-1875102607 [15:03]
assbot Moxie Marlinspike >> Blog >> GPG And Me ... ( http://bit.ly/1vzhAhb ) [15:03]
mircea_popescu disqus eh [15:03]
thestringpuller GPG is bad SSL good! [15:05]
thestringpuller ^- the new propaganda on encryption [15:05]
thestringpuller d00d from FBI wants to outlaw GPG in US (again) [15:05]
mircea_popescu doh. [15:06]
mircea_popescu and still pushing the pki ridiculousness. [15:06]
mircea_popescu "oh, it works." [15:06]
mircea_popescu "it just works!!! " [15:06]
mircea_popescu i wonder if i could sell some cars to these idiots that are really wooden crates with lcd screen inside. [15:06]
mircea_popescu "takes you wherever you want to go! not really..." [15:06]
mircea_popescu "but it's just as good and much easier to use than a car!11" [15:07]
PeterL and gets better gas mileage! [15:08]
mircea_popescu way. [15:08]
thestringpuller the sad thing is you could do that and prob get bonus at some firm in the US [15:08]
PeterL fully electric even! [15:08]
mircea_popescu plus, it prevents not only traffic accidents (leading cause of death!) but also, this one time, this guy used a car and was robbed! [15:08]
danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2015#989461 [15:09]
assbot Logged on 23-01-2015 21:26:58; asciilifeform: the fastest, thickest, most luxurious car is --- not having to go places. [15:09]
mircea_popescu i should probably ycombinate a start-up to deploy tons of these in old warehouses across the us [15:09]
mircea_popescu get some fed grants for it, idiots will prolly go in the box just to be different... [15:09]
mircea_popescu soon enough a "competitor" to gm has been born. [15:10]
mircea_popescu and prolly have more market cap than gm, as far as that goes. [15:10]
PeterL and politicians will promise "an MP-car for every garage!" [15:10]
mircea_popescu well... 200sqft "studio", as the case may be. [15:11]
PeterL heh, I like that name, because when you say it MP-car sounds alot like empty-car [15:11]
mircea_popescu lol so it does. [15:11]
BingoBoingo MT Car, by Mircea Trabant company [15:13]
mircea_popescu lol [15:13]
mircea_popescu http://33.media.tumblr.com/2bdf04c34b7f80baf2346fd55e3c61ec/tumblr_n2l0330B3N1toca06o1_400.gif << this is one brave babe. [15:14]
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jurov dunno better comparison to pki would be a car without steering whell, steered by usg [15:17]
jurov which there already are some [15:17]
thestringpuller lol self driving car in future prevents you from going to certain places. [15:18]
thestringpuller "I want to go to the strip club" "Cannot drive to that destination" [15:18]
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mircea_popescu nah, because a) the usg doesn't care to steer you a particular direction. it only wants you to not move - it's a bureaucracy after all, it has no resources to deal with change, nor can change mean anything but it's ass ; b) the illusion of free wheeling is what's important. [15:18]
chetty and delivers you to the gasenwagen when the time comes [15:18]
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chetty http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/414380/fcc-chair-refuses-testify-congress-ahead-net-neutrality-vote-andrew-johnson [15:19]
assbot National Review ... ( http://bit.ly/1vzki6g ) [15:19]
mircea_popescu lol you can do that now ? [15:19]
mircea_popescu "o hey, i refuse to testify. fu." [15:19]
thestringpuller chetty: or turns into a gasenwagen! gas just starts spewing out. [15:19]
chetty well I guess they still sorta respect the 5th amendment, might be the only one left [15:20]
thestringpuller except when you exercise it they just throw you into a hole [15:20]
mircea_popescu uh... his family is somehow involved ? [15:20]
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chetty well this fcc chair was against net nuetrality a while back, then he had a meeting with ?? and 332 pags of new regulation (stamped secret) appeared. You figure it out [15:23]
mircea_popescu so basically, no high speed for the us. ever. [15:24]
mircea_popescu being humiliated by shitholes like romania apparently isn't going to be a temporary situation. [15:24]
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chetty well I guess the usaians need to learn from the greeks how make mesh nets [15:26]
mircea_popescu no see, the socialised medicine is just good enopugh to prevent an actually useful, individual solution. [15:29]
mircea_popescu it's how africa's being "helped" : ban the perfectly fine fillament lightbulbs just as they get to where they could maybe make some, trickle in a little food so most people don't want to work. [15:29]
mircea_popescu same thing will be with the fcc internet : just fast enough people don't start making an independent one. [15:29]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform 's "gravity hole" is a constructive element, not a random occurence. [15:31]
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chetty same thing will be with the fcc internet : just fast enough people don't start making an independent one.// speed will not be the only issue, think china [15:36]
BingoBoingo But the FCC internet will give users Fat Pipes, to better DoS real people with. [15:38]
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chetty anybody tried raising pigeons? [15:41]
ben_vulpes ;;seen pigeons [15:41]
gribble pigeons was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 30 weeks, 3 days, 1 hour, 40 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: so far that seems accurate [15:41]
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jurov lol....guess using drones is cheaper than pigeons by now [15:52]
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ascii_field ty BingoBoingo! [15:52]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: high speed << not actually a major problem in the american population centres [15:53]
ascii_field it's the other stuff. [15:53]
ascii_field (e.g. i get ~100 megabaud and can get 500 if paid a little more) [15:54]
ascii_field decimation: how can any kind of signal magically compromise a stu? << no magic necessary, just ordinary heterodyne [15:55]
mircea_popescu ascii_field not so far. [15:58]
mircea_popescu however, romania is, like all of asia, on gbps sorta thing [15:58]
ascii_field for ~1/5 the cost, probably, yes [15:59]
mircea_popescu usual 30 bux a month [15:59]
ascii_field but decent bandwidth isn't this totally unattainable thing in gringolandia [15:59]
ascii_field just costs a few times mroe [15:59]
ascii_field *more [15:59]
ascii_field (and price goes up geometrically with distance from major 'icbm targets') [16:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24231 @ 0.00042433 = 10.2819 BTC [+] [16:00]
mircea_popescu more's the point : it won't stay that way. [16:00]
mircea_popescu no argument that health care was attainable in the us cca 2010. just cost a liuttle more. [16:00]
ascii_field !s internet of the future [16:00]
assbot 8 results for 'internet of the future' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=internet+of+the+future [16:00]
mircea_popescu it will not be, for any sum, by 2020. [16:01]
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ascii_field 'For a goat may butt, and a worm may sting, / And a child will sometimes stand; / But a poor dead soldier of the King / Can never lift a hand.' (herr kipling) [16:01]
ascii_field don't expect much of anything from usa 2020. [16:02]
ascii_field orlov, interestingly, argued that high speed net is key in the modern usg 'panem et circenses' program and will chug along long after problems with supplying the basics of life have begun [16:04]
ascii_field but it'll be the 'internet of the future' rather than what we're using now. [16:04]
mircea_popescu actually intermittent low bw internet would be better for that purpose. keep the redditard busy [16:05]
BingoBoingo "Netflix" [16:05]
mircea_popescu ah there is that. [16:07]
BingoBoingo "Streaming Video" and online gaming are the USG approved application of surplus bandwidth [16:09]
ascii_field don't forget streaming audio from microphones chump voluntarily keeps in the house, car, etc [16:10]
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BingoBoingo Well, has to go both directions [16:12]
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BayAreaCoins Thanks Bingo [16:15]
BayAreaCoins MP do you plan on pulling the CLAM bet on BitBet or is it going to run its course? If you do cancel it I assume the coins will just be sent to the payment addresses? [16:16]
mircea_popescu which bet is this ? [16:17]
BayAreaCoins MP, https://bitbet.us/bet/1121/clam-losing-grip-sells-0-0029-or-lower/ [16:18]
assbot BitBet - CLAM losing grip -> sells 0.0029 or lower before April 25th :: 0.18 B (3%) on Yes, 5.08 B (97%) on No | closing in 1 month 3 weeks | weight: 93`348 (100`000 to 10) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dqxbjc ) [16:18]
mircea_popescu its gonna run. [16:18]
jborkl sup bitches [16:18]
punkman "144 Universities Warn Congress Pending Patent Legislation Would Harm U.S. Innovation System" http://www.aau.edu/policy/article.aspx?id=15923 [16:18]
assbot Association of American Universities [16:18]
BayAreaCoins Thanks MP. [16:19]
mircea_popescu np np [16:19]
BayAreaCoins Y'all fellas have a nice day. [16:19]
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ascii_field danke BingoBoingo [16:24]
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BingoBoingo Hello btcat [16:53]
btcat hello [16:53]
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ascii_field ty BingoBoingo [16:55]
mircea_popescu ascii_field dun take it teh wrong way, but! the thanking is kinda spammy. [16:57]
ascii_field ok [16:57]
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mike_c if we could sign into b-a with our facebook accounts we wouldn't have to get up'ed when we were in the field. [17:06]
ascii_field with anal print [17:07]
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mircea_popescu but i don't have a facebook account ;/ [17:07]
ben_vulpes there an assbot persistent otp link per key? [17:07]
mircea_popescu i thought they're single use ? [17:08]
ben_vulpes sure, the otp itself. [17:08]
BingoBoingo http://www.stltoday.com/lifestyles/columns/joe-holleman/tv-anchor-kristi-capel-off-air-until-monday-after-racial/article_4baebdde-0073-5af4-b9f9-3b93a09e045d.html [17:10]
assbot TV anchor Kristi Capel off air until Monday after racial slur : Lifestyles ... ( http://bit.ly/1LEh5V2 ) [17:10]
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jux they just mentioned this place on teamspeak so i am checking it out [17:17]
mircea_popescu who's they [17:18]
jux teamspeak all the audio bitcoin chatters/traders [17:18]
mircea_popescu aha [17:19]
thestringpuller a lot of new people are stopping in [17:24]
thestringpuller welcome guise [17:24]
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mats teamspeak sounds like a horrifically bad medium to communicate with more than, say, three people at a time [17:31]
mircea_popescu notmuch worse than the historical forum. [17:33]
mircea_popescu most decent guild players have meanwhile learned to stfu / use it sanely. [17:33]
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BingoBoingo http://burnedoutmedic.com/2014/02/what-are-politicians-doing-thats-so-important-that-they-travel-with-lights-and-sirens/ [17:37]
assbot What ARE politicians doing that’s so important that they travel with lights and sirens? | Burned-Out Medic ... ( http://bit.ly/1LEo00t ) [17:37]
ascii_field BingoBoingo: sop in ru [17:37]
ascii_field for decades. [17:38]
mircea_popescu and the answer is "nothing". [17:38]
mircea_popescu that's it : unimportance must be masked. [17:38]
ascii_field ru politicos even fight to decide who merits 'blinker' - like roman lictors [17:38]
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trinque got the deedbot blockchain up to date yesterday, haxed on the transaction creating guy [17:39]
trinque mired in irl work until this evening, but will be finishing up then [17:39]
mircea_popescu cool. [17:40]
trinque not to derail current convos, but I finally caught up on the current events blockchain as well [17:40]
trinque are we really trying to instigate wwiii? [17:40]
trinque advisors in ukraine like 'nam [17:40]
trinque tanks in europe, etc [17:40]
danielpbarron hi jux :D [17:41]
trinque I feel like I'm going to get my startup profitable just as the roof caves in [17:41]
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danielpbarron https://twitter.com/flibbr/status/570684349152165888 @danielpbarron I have insiders in #bitcoin-assets now. I am inviting you onto the teamspeak. It'd be rude not to show your face :) [17:44]
assbot /danielpbarron Daniel r u going to come onto this 200+ user global bitcoin teamspeak channel and bring your cult /hashtag/bitcoinassets?src=hash mates? [17:44]
chetty 200+ people talking at once? oh what fun, hold me back [17:46]
danielpbarron I joined his google hangout one time; the guy was so flabbergasted with my position that he kept repeating explitives relating to how unbelievable it was [17:47]
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mircea_popescu trinque it's usually how that works. [17:47]
trinque mircea_popescu: heh, I've always figured I'd be dragging myself out of rubble at some point [17:47]
trinque haven't ever been certain whether that was a metaphor [17:48]
lobbes fatmouse is coming [17:48]
chetty think of all the fun to be had rebuilding trinque [17:48]
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danielpbarron aww the "insider" left [17:48]
mircea_popescu anyway, the notion that dod is dumb enough to re-do vietnam... [17:49]
ascii_field re-do iraq [17:49]
ascii_field re-do afghan [17:49]
mircea_popescu it's all just one dumb redo huh [17:49]
ascii_field what else -does- it do [17:49]
mircea_popescu myea [17:49]
trinque chetty: one hopes it's an opportunity for greatness to emerge [17:50]
mircea_popescu the only practical thing it does is it forces women to shut up, with the resultant shutdown of welfare, classes with no grades, coddled children etc. [17:53]
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mats http://codemachine.com/article_x64deepdive.html [17:53]
mircea_popescu you'd think this could be modulated in the head rather than in the welted butt. [17:53]
ascii_field mats: basic winblows [17:57]
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mats yeup. [17:58]
mats learning windows internals is a daily struggle... [17:59]
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mircea_popescu ahhh the splendor that is tlp. allow me to quote http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2008/07/academics_hide_drug_company_pa.html [18:01]
assbot The Last Psychiatrist: Academics Hide Drug Company Payments ... ( http://bit.ly/1LEu8pA ) [18:01]
mircea_popescu Believe me, I am no friend of Biederman's. But the money is a red herring. If you want to be angry about the specific ethics of a psychiatrist receiving Pharma money, fine, but I am telling you it is not worth the Senate time, not worth press space. [18:01]
mircea_popescu The real money, the real problem that goes unmentioned is the money that goes to universities, in the form of research grants. Biederman may have pocketed $1M, but I'm sure he was awarded much, much more for clinical trials-- money which he didn't get any of, which went to Harvard. [18:01]
mircea_popescu We aren't overmedicating kids because Biederman told us to; we're doing it because Harvard told us to. And Harvard told us to because that is what they are getting money to study. Biederman is just the nanobot that does it. [18:01]
mircea_popescu If Biederman never existed, nothing would be different. You read his resume, you think, wow, he's a big player. You don't realize that if he didn't exist there would be some other person in his exact position, who would also have become a Distinguished Professor, won awards, written 450 publications, etc. The machine was already in place, his slot was going to get filled; his mind didn't discover anything, those res [18:01]
mircea_popescu ults were coming no matter what, those publications were already going to be written. [18:01]
mircea_popescu The money isn't corrupting him into thinking childhood bipolar is underdiagnosed-- he truly believes it. The reason he believes it is his entire professional existence-- his whole identity-- is predicated on believing it. He's not a scientist, he's a priest. [18:01]
mircea_popescu if anyone in any position of "big playerness" in fiat is curious to see exactly how true this is ? take a week to not do anything. at all. [18:02]
mircea_popescu hey, you're a big player, right ? not doing anything is the default, i'm sure caesar could sit on his ass in the castrum and play dice with the centurions for three straight winters if he so wanted. [18:02]
mircea_popescu it's not that he didn't trhat makes him one of those big players, it's that it was solely his option to do so, and didn't. [18:03]
mircea_popescu is the same the case for you ? if you simply stop doing your cog-part, is there any pressure ? [18:03]
mircea_popescu how long can you stop the machine before you're simply replaced ? [18:03]
mircea_popescu that's the measure of power. [18:03]
pete_dushenski sort of why obama fills every moment of every day meeting with various online celebs [18:07]
pete_dushenski if he sat still for a moment, you'd forget who was in the white house [18:07]
pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/25/count-your-blessings-government-employees-to-say-nothing-of-your-days/ [18:08]
assbot Count your blessings, government employees, to say nothing of your days. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1LEvTTR ) [18:08]
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trinque mircea_popescu: how can anything be done about that particular problem of identity? [18:10]
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trinque trying to articulate the actual question [18:12]
trinque seems having a name creates this bundle of "I am" in the head, which people protect as they do their own bodies [18:13]
trinque or even at the cost of their actual bodies [18:14]
mircea_popescu trinque which particular problem is that ? [18:15]
mircea_popescu identity is the result of action. action requires agency. a perverse system (such as any high density population will always create) separates action from agency. ("i'm only doing my job"). [18:15]
mircea_popescu this results in broken identity, and there's literally no solution except carnage (bring down that density), which is why people who figure it out usually leave a note where their assault rifles used to be. [18:16]
trinque saw you link joe stack the other day [18:16]
trinque friends and I had a little celebration that day [18:17]
mircea_popescu commemoration ? [18:17]
ascii_field doing my job << 'i wüz ünly föllöwing ürderz' [18:17]
trinque mircea_popescu: yeah [18:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34500 @ 0.00041818 = 14.4272 BTC [-] {2} [18:17]
mircea_popescu the entire "act from cause not towards purpose" thing on trilema is exactly a vaccine against that. [18:18]
trinque his note got a little slogan laden, but I unerstand the grief [18:18]
thestringpuller ah pete_dushenski the trap philosopher :D [18:18]
* thestringpuller waves [18:18]
trinque mircea_popescu: that's an exceptionally clarifying statement, and one which I think helps me articulate the identity thing [18:18]
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thestringpuller good evening mircea_popescu [23:08]
asciilifeform forgot to include the detail, in profound_retardation.txt, that the sandisk drive is a 60gb unit. [23:14]
asciilifeform (yes, the capacity read by both u-boot and bsd is garbage, though deterministic garbage) [23:14]
asciilifeform another data point - the 2.6.31.8 linux kernel originally shipped with 'pogo' had precisely the same behaviour [23:15]
asciilifeform (unlike arch) [23:15]
asciilifeform if i knew for a fact that the bug -only- triggers on 'sandisk' drives, it wouldn't be worth thinking about at all [23:16]
asciilifeform but i cannot guarantee this. [23:16]
asciilifeform !up decimation [23:18]
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decimation ty asciilifeform [23:18]
decimation assbot's http interface appears to be down [23:18]
decimation I suspect mircea_popescu is working on it [23:18]
asciilifeform so -that's- where ddosbot went [23:18]
decimation heh [23:18]
asciilifeform !up mircea_popescu [23:18]
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mircea_popescu oddly assbot otps timeout [23:19]
mircea_popescu am i the on;y one ? [23:19]
decimation nope [23:19]
decimation the otp url comes across, but the http interface is dead [23:19]
mike_c kakobrekla, are you/assbot getting dos'd? [23:19]
decimation possibly due to anti-ddos animatronics [23:19]
asciilifeform 'once is an accident, twice is enemy action' [23:19]
decimation I first noted it around 0045 utc [23:20]
decimation err 0145 [23:21]
mircea_popescu well i lost a main router somehow too. supposedly was a power outage downtown [23:22]
asciilifeform today? [23:22]
mircea_popescu decimation im not working on assbot, kako is [23:22]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform earlier when i went down [23:22]
asciilifeform and -lost- as in smoked? [23:23]
decimation mircea_popescu: ah okay [23:23]
mircea_popescu i dunno. ima have it looked into tomorro [23:23]
asciilifeform perhaps just a routine ocelot-in-cableway incident [23:24]
decimation or crocodile-in-toilet perhaps? [23:24]
mircea_popescu myeah. [23:25]
* asciilifeform imagines one day roto-rooting toilet and pulling up pieces of suit, briefcase... [23:25]
* asciilifeform would prefer to live with alligators [23:26]
asciilifeform (ceteris paribus) [23:26]
decimation re: cosmonaut's gun: I thought it was for besting wild bears if the capsule lands in the urals [23:27]
asciilifeform decimation: nah that one comes with >1 round [23:27]
asciilifeform this is the other one [23:27]
decimation heh [23:27]
decimation !up nubbins` [23:28]
decimation probably unrelated but there's been a comms van w/ gov plates parked down the road from me for like a week [23:30]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2015#1033726 < i lollered. [23:30]
assbot Logged on 25-02-2015 22:18:52; danielpbarron: Achievement unlocked: get blocked by 5 sc4mz0rz. [23:30]
thestringpuller decimation: hmmm. sword axe time draws near. [23:34]
asciilifeform except that gasenwagen doesn't have 'gasenwagen' painted on. it has, e.g., 'kaiser kaffee' [23:35]
decimation maybe we can be in the same 'meat van' as asciilifeform when we are being taking the the sharashka [23:35]
decimation nah it says 'meat' [23:35]
asciilifeform 'bread' more classically [23:35]
decimation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2014#761383 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2014#761384 [23:36]
assbot Logged on 19-07-2014 01:48:06; decimation: "Buffeting its load of tightly packed bodies, the gaily painted orange and blue truck drove on through the streets, passed a railway station and stopped at a crossroads. There, halted by a traffic-light, stood the dark-red car belonging to the Moscow correspondent of the Paris newspaper LIBERATION, on his way to a hockey match at the Dynamo Stadium. On the side of the van the corresponden [23:36]
assbot Logged on 19-07-2014 01:48:07; decimation: He remembered having seen several trucks like this today in various parts of Moscow. Taking out his notebook he wrote with his dark-red fountain pen: 'Now and again on the streets of Moscow you meet food delivery vans, clean, well-designed and hygienic. One must admit that the city's food supplies are admirably well organized.'" [23:36]
asciilifeform http://1k43club.ru/upload/forum/ecbd3569e1ea8edcf5033d509b1c6d9c.jpg [23:36]
decimation does that say 'bread'? [23:36]
asciilifeform aha [23:36]
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asciilifeform http://karopka.ru/upload/iblock/280/photo_5_1389624339.jpeg << meat variant [23:38]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2015#1033766 o.O look at that. [23:38]
assbot Logged on 25-02-2015 23:13:49; mike_c: insanity. qntra bids are over 0.0003? going to be the priciest share on mpex soon. [23:38]
mike_c it's a bubble :) [23:38]
thestringpuller mike_c: hard to distinguish buyer frenzy from investors paying for content. [23:39]
mike_c i thought that a couple times, but then the bids kept going up. [23:39]
thestringpuller well no one is really selling [23:39]
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mike_c right, but bids don't need to keep going up to incentivize writers [23:40]
mircea_popescu i imagine it's just like bitcoin : not many shares, many people heard of it. [23:40]
thestringpuller so people buying MPEx seats just to subsidize qntra? [23:41]
thestringpuller doesn't make sense... [23:41]
mike_c plus it hasn't tried to make money yet (with one tiny exception), so it's still hopes and dreams phase. [23:41]
thestringpuller mike_c: i don't think it can make money yet. it's in egg phase. egg must hatch first. [23:41]
thestringpuller right now qntra is competing for intelligent eyeballs [23:42]
mike_c yeah, i agree it shouldn't be trying to monetize yet. but that helps fuel investor optimism. [23:42]
thestringpuller well given trilema is well monetized I wouldn't worry too much about qntra implementing a revenue stream in the future [23:43]
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mike_c trilema's monetization level doesn't support the current qntra share price to me. [23:43]
asciilifeform http://cs315428.vk.me/v315428826/2342/vO1VSY-YbxY.jpg [23:43]
mircea_popescu "Chief casualty is U.S. network equipment maker Cisco Systems Inc, which in 2012 counted 60 products on the Central Government Procurement Center's (CGPC) list, but by late 2014 had none, a Reuters analysis of official data shows." [23:44]
mircea_popescu cisco is so fucking dead... [23:44]
decimation lol what does it say asciilifeform [23:44]
mircea_popescu and red hat is fucking next. [23:44]
asciilifeform decimation: 'i'd press a bit' [23:44]
mike_c holee shit. 60->0 is two years? [23:44]
thestringpuller mike_c: qntra may very well outgrow trilema [23:44]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: trilema is 8 years old? [23:44]
mircea_popescu mike_c cisco pretty much imploded once it became clear they're working for the usg against their customers. [23:44]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: cisco dead << still crown-blessed, usg supply alone could feed it sov. factory style till the bitter end [23:44]
mircea_popescu absolute texbook case on the dangers of "obeying the laws". [23:45]
mike_c asciilifeform: problem is, that's not a growth story. [23:45]
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mircea_popescu ^ [23:45]
decimation http://justsecurity.org/20304/transcript-nsa-director-mike-rogers-vs-yahoo-encryption-doors/ [23:45]
assbot Transcript: NSA Director Mike Rogers vs. Yahoo! on Encryption Back Doors | Just Security [23:45]
mircea_popescu i'm happier with trilema's monetization than with cisco's soviet future. [23:46]
decimation "AS: No, I think Bruce Schneier and Ed Felton and all of the best public cryptographers in the world would agree that you can’t really build backdoors in crypto. That it’s like drilling a hole in the windshield. [23:46]
decimation MR: I’ve got a lot of world-class cryptographers at the National Security Agency." < MR is 'mike rogers', new director of nsa [23:46]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: I've been to several stores and they put the Cisco routers on the bottom with sign "Spookware" and Asus routers on the top shelves with "No Spookware" [23:46]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: lol, goodcop/badcop [23:46]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: as if 'nonspookware' is a thing in the store [23:47]
asciilifeform or any store. [23:47]
thestringpuller i kno! just funny how it is pop culture now. [23:47]
decimation "AS: So you do believe then, that we should build those for other countries [Russia, China] if they pass laws? MR: I think we can work our way through this." [23:47]
mike_c too bad mircea_popescu can't say what he thinks qntra share price is right. [23:48]
asciilifeform === 'planet is our banana plantation, shuddthefuckup' [23:48]
mike_c probably not right for owner to pontificate on that too much. [23:48]
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thestringpuller asciilifeform: how does one procure a non-spookware router tho? [23:48]
asciilifeform !up decimation [23:48]
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asciilifeform thestringpuller: using your hands [23:48]
thestringpuller how so? [23:48]
thestringpuller Care to elaborate? :P [23:48]
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asciilifeform thestringpuller: see log for one example [23:49]
mircea_popescu mike_c how would i even know ? [23:49]
thestringpuller !s router spookware [23:49]
assbot 0 results for 'router spookware' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=router+spookware [23:49]
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decimation that's a good point, usg cannot simultaneously recognize another sovereign country and also say 'give legit rulers all ur bits' [23:49]
mike_c you wouldn't know, you'd have an opinion [23:49]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: any keywords you can give me? ;) [23:49]
asciilifeform !s edgerouter [23:49]
assbot 10 results for 'edgerouter' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=edgerouter [23:49]
thestringpuller thank you for that asciilifeform [23:50]
asciilifeform ^ experiment with building a fairly decent home router [23:50]
mircea_popescu well, i think on the mid term qntra has better earning perspectives than whatsapp. [23:50]
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decimation I use the edgerouter with built-in firmware, it definitely performs [23:50]
decimation one day soon I will try to re-write with bsd [23:50]
mats does anyone here actually expect qntra to pay for itself? [23:51]
thestringpuller me [23:51]
asciilifeform if you have external ssh open (why?) into the thing, keep in mind that recent versions of freebsd had diddled rng [23:51]
asciilifeform (proven fact) [23:52]
asciilifeform see log [23:52]
decimation I don't see need for router to talk to outside world [23:52]
decimation (other than through nat) [23:52]
mats asciilifeform: iirc that was not a stable release [23:52]
asciilifeform in freebsd world plenty of folks don't use -STABLE [23:53]
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mats and why is that [23:56]
asciilifeform !up mircea_popescu [23:56]
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mircea_popescu mike_c well, i think on the mid term qntra has better earning perspectives than whatsapp. [23:56]
asciilifeform 'Because we have got to be willing as a nation to have a dialogue. This simplistic characterization of one-side-is-good and one-side-is-bad is a terrible place for us to be as a nation. We have got to come to grips with some really hard, fundamental questions. I’m watching risk and threat do this, while trust has done that. No matter what your view on the issue is [... snipped crapolade]' [23:58]
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asciilifeform !s teaching the controversy [23:58]
assbot 7 results for 'teaching the controversy' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=teaching+the+controversy [23:58]
decimation the thing is, you need to learn to do what I say [23:59]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2014#827667 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2014#827668 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-11-2014#926289 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-11-2014#926290 [23:59]
assbot Logged on 12-09-2014 16:47:05; asciilifeform: once you've been 'taught the controversy' - that is, convincing that there -even is- reasonable debate among informed people, on a particular subject - the lie becomes a kind of half-truth, automagically [23:59]
assbot Logged on 12-09-2014 16:47:19; asciilifeform: because suddenly, there is (or you think there is) a debate. with 'sides.' [23:59]
assbot Logged on 17-11-2014 04:48:53; asciilifeform: what's more, this follows inescapably from any situation, anywhere, where someone gets to 'score nonzero points' merely for showing up. [23:59]
assbot Logged on 17-11-2014 04:49:54; asciilifeform: all you have to do, then, is to pile on the meat puppets, until suddenly there is a 'controversy', and there are 'points of view', and eventually - a 'consensus.' [23:59]
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