Forum logs for 17 Feb 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

mircea_popescu	haha	[00:00]
asciilifeform	nope. this one -	[00:00]
asciilifeform	http://cooperostresh.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/myproof2.jpg%3Fw%3D620	[00:00]
nubbins`	:D	[00:00]
nubbins`	brilliant, no?	[00:00]
mircea_popescu	this is verboten in my harem.	[00:00]
nubbins`	now that's a nice business card	[00:00]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform reminds me of an old blog post lemme see	[00:00]
nubbins`	perforated blotter art would make an amusing card too	[00:00]
nubbins`	"law-abiding citizen"	[00:00]
asciilifeform	or,	[00:01]
asciilifeform	http://hackadaycom.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/businesscard_01_08.png%3Fw%3D580%26h%3D352	[00:01]
mircea_popescu	http://www.actsofgord.com/Chronicles/chapter36.php	[00:01]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` nah, Sovereign Druglord	[00:01]
mircea_popescu	in weird type and rainbow collors.	[00:01]
mod6	yeah that one looks like mitnick's card: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fx1mFaheb0o/ThBJ9EP0XhI/AAAAAAAAEkQ/RLNs2xcYz1g/s1600/106709219_6c8be9703b_z.jpg	[00:01]
nubbins`	heh.	[00:01]
asciilifeform	prisoners get cards?	[00:02]
nubbins`	"J. Keefe, sovereign"	[00:02]
mod6	asciilifeform: post release	[00:02]
asciilifeform	the post-release one probably reads 'obedient peon' ?	[00:02]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` with a picture of a pinky ring o nthe back for the recipient to kiss	[00:02]
nubbins`	we want encryption, not a fucking bridge	[00:03]
nubbins`	that has a ring to it	[00:03]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha	[00:03]
mod6	after he was released he was on Tech-TV or something and said, "yeah, its nice to be out... but i gotta wait like a year or something to get a cell phone... and I hvae this ankle bracelt for a few months.."	[00:03]
asciilifeform	obligatory russian drowning joke	[00:03]
mircea_popescu	do i know that one ?	[00:03]
nubbins`	ankle bracelet, fancy	[00:03]
asciilifeform	some time in medieval times, a father is leading his useless-mouth son to be drowned	[00:03]
nubbins`	house arrest is usually on the honor system here	[00:04]
asciilifeform	they pass an old man who says, 'don't drown this fellow. i'll feed him dumplings, he won't have to do any work but to dip them'	[00:04]
asciilifeform	son: 'whatdoyamean i gotta dip them'	[00:04]
asciilifeform	old man: 'drown him, father, drown, drown.'	[00:04]
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mircea_popescu	o o o yeah!	[00:04]
cazalla	i enjoyed his book from 2-3 years ago	[00:06]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla: you could hit someone on the head if you could remember who you wanted to hit << epic.	[00:07]
ThickAsThieves	evoorhees seems to be posting on reddit lately	[00:07]
ThickAsThieves	doing panic control	[00:07]
mircea_popescu	jeez kako is on a roll.	[00:07]
nubbins`	ThickAsThieves: every time i hear "one of us" i think of that old movie "freaks" or w/e it's called	[00:07]
nubbins`	gooble gobble!	[00:08]
nubbins`	if kako was any sharper he'd cut himself	[00:08]
ThickAsThieves	the correct quote was "Drink this Michael. Become one of us"	[00:08]
benkay	rad illustration nubbins`	[00:08]
ThickAsThieves	had to look it up	[00:08]
benkay	being a stick figure is disappointing though	[00:08]
nubbins`	benkay, couldn't find my sketchbook OR a pen. threw me off.	[00:09]
asciilifeform	mitnick, the fellow who was kept in solitary because judge declared 'will start ww3 by whistling' ?	[00:09]
cazalla	interesting that i ran into evoorhees prior to bitcoin (wickedfire)	[00:09]
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mircea_popescu	being a stick figure is disappointing though << talk to the cook.	[00:09]
mircea_popescu	say "woman, make me a sammich. god knows being a stick figure is disappointing enough"	[00:10]
mircea_popescu	jurov you seen teh log ?	[00:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00087257 = 9.162 BTC [-] {2}	[00:11]
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mircea_popescu	dub: i like white wimminz << why is that ?	[00:12]
ThickAsThieves	better slime	[00:13]
mircea_popescu	is it ?	[00:13]
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ThickAsThieves	i wouldnt know, the only time i had a chance with a black girl i wasnt single	[00:13]
mircea_popescu	i don't much like other race womenz. i mean creoles can be insanely hot, but otherwise, black, yellow, eskimo, w/e, they're all ugly.	[00:14]
mircea_popescu	and i imagined it's prolly the same for everyone.	[00:14]
benkay	http://openlibernet.org/faq.html	[00:14]
ThickAsThieves	i find other races hot too	[00:14]
ozbot	Frequently Asked Questions	[00:14]
mircea_popescu	(creole meaning in that sentence, woman with some white ancestry)	[00:14]
mircea_popescu	2. What’s wrong with the current internet?	[00:15]
mircea_popescu	Many things actually. First of all, it is important to remember that the internet didn’t just come to be in its current form.	[00:15]
mircea_popescu	benkay sorry, disqualified	[00:15]
mircea_popescu	FOR STUPIDITY.	[00:15]
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nubbins`	benkay, http://imgur.com/se0YPEr	[00:15]
pankkake	doesn't work without javascript	[00:15]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7041 @ 0.00022942 = 1.6153 BTC [-] {11}	[00:15]
nubbins`	me shrugs	[00:15]
pankkake	that's what is wrong with the internet	[00:15]
nubbins`	me forgets the /	[00:15]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla:mp would argue with the bike thing. << how the fuck does he know that.	[00:16]
benkay	http://openlibernet.org/paper/open-libernet.pdf	[00:16]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla you've been fucking my womenz on the quiet ?!	[00:16]
pankkake	you wrote about bikes being an instrument of evil remember?	[00:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2262 @ 0.000229 = 0.518 BTC [-] {3}	[00:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.12849999 = 1.285 BTC [+]	[00:16]
mircea_popescu	o i did ? k.	[00:16]
nubbins`	ha.	[00:16]
mircea_popescu	people reading my blogz and drilling my womenz ON THE QUIET	[00:17]
nubbins`	can't very well do it on the loud	[00:17]
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kakobrekla	id still double check on the womans thing.	[00:17]
benkay	mircea_popescu: it's got awful js and css - that's how you know REAL PROGRAMMERS built it	[00:17]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` why does your guy have bycicle wheels in his eye sockets dood	[00:17]
benkay	nubbins`: is that me?	[00:17]
nubbins`	benkay, mircea_popescu: artistic license	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	you know it suddenly dawned on me... nubbins can't actually draw.	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	i think he might be blind.	[00:18]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: shh, don't tell the clients	[00:18]
benkay	mircea_popescu: why u no bikes? how ams evil?	[00:18]
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mircea_popescu	benkay bikes make men impotent. walking makes girl ass and legs look great.	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	you sort it out.	[00:18]
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asciilifeform	nubbins`: iosif vissarionovich!	[00:18]
b00lcrap	1234	[00:18]
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bo0lcrap	hey why shouldn't you fart in an apple store?	[00:18]
bo0lcrap	because they dont have windows!	[00:19]
mircea_popescu	because the metrosexuals may fall in love ?	[00:19]
nubbins`	heh.	[00:19]
mircea_popescu	mine's better.	[00:19]
nubbins`	anyway, regarding my ability to draw	[00:19]
mircea_popescu	what, is that a topic ?	[00:19]
nubbins`	is now!	[00:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.12849999 = 0.514 BTC [+]	[00:19]
*	mircea_popescu takes note : nubbins` can't draw and is a narcissist	[00:19]
nubbins`	there's a reason why i asked pascale to draw those heraldics and not me ;p	[00:20]
mircea_popescu	she never drew you ?	[00:20]
asciilifeform	"We are still at idea stage. We’ve built a few simulations to test some parts of the system, but the main development hasn’t begun. We have published our whitepaper, which explains.."	[00:20]
nubbins`	ooh, good one	[00:20]
nubbins`	she has, in fact, drawn me	[00:20]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform could this be merged into the yarvin thing ?	[00:20]
nubbins`	i'm not much for realism tho	[00:21]
nubbins`	takes too much talent	[00:21]
asciilifeform	it could just as easily be merged into Duke Nukem XXX.	[00:21]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` i however am much for criticism!	[00:21]
nubbins`	heh	[00:21]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform lmao. maybe it should.	[00:21]
nubbins`	well you'll be happy to know that the band lapped up my snorting-coffee-grounds image:	[00:21]
nubbins`	http://imgur.com/cXupn13	[00:21]
ozbot	imgur: the simple image sharer	[00:21]
nubbins`	i even have a picture of a smiling hipster wearing it, one sec	[00:21]
mircea_popescu	its actually pretty good	[00:21]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 70 @ 0.0055 = 0.385 BTC	[00:21]
mircea_popescu	it takes decent advantage of your few strengths while carefully avoiding all your numerous weaknesses.	[00:22]
benkay	haha	[00:22]
nubbins`	sorry, n/m, the hipster is not smiling	[00:22]
nubbins`	http://imgur.com/sk35KYw	[00:22]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[00:22]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: if i wanted to highlight my weaknesses i'd just print a photo of myself	[00:22]
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ozbot	imgur: the simple image sharer	[00:22]
ThickAsThieves	cake makes hipsters sad	[00:22]
mircea_popescu	lol	[00:22]
nubbins`	i know right? face full of sugar and still not happy	[00:22]
nubbins`	shit, maybe he's upset about the shirts.	[00:23]
ThickAsThieves	looks cool enough to me	[00:23]
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nubbins`	i'm always a bit surprised when i'm given free reign on design	[00:23]
nubbins`	always expecting "how about this?" to be met with "the fuck is your problem, asshole?"	[00:24]
mircea_popescu	"what are these people thinking"	[00:24]
nubbins`	well, yes	[00:24]
nubbins`	what ARE they thinking	[00:24]
ThickAsThieves	do you design shirts for non-hipster businesses?	[00:25]
ThickAsThieves	i bet those people would complain	[00:25]
nubbins`	most legit businesses come to us with art	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	which is how he got the idea he can draw in the first place.	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	by looking at all that art.	[00:25]
benkay	"art"	[00:25]
ThickAsThieves	so mean!	[00:25]
benkay	to bring us back to a much much earlier topic	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	someone stole my f's again	[00:25]
nubbins`	looking fat all that art	[00:26]
mircea_popescu	haha good 1	[00:26]
ThickAsThieves	loo king fat all tha tart	[00:26]
nubbins`	make no mistake, i do not operate under the assumption that i can draw	[00:26]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves this is el englisho, doesn't spello like thato./	[00:26]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` just under the hope that others can't tell ?	[00:27]
nubbins`	has worked reasonably well so far, this approach	[00:27]
ThickAsThieves	it's performance art, people just buy souvenirs	[00:27]
mircea_popescu	if anyone ever asks me to back up assertions about collapsing standards in education i am definitely linking this in support.	[00:27]
nubbins`	hey, hold on now. i didn't go to art school	[00:27]
mircea_popescu	and btw, we need to start selling -asset tickets, this shit's too much fun.	[00:27]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` not for you, for the viewers.	[00:28]
nubbins`	aha.	[00:28]
nubbins`	was waiting for "no, really?"	[00:28]
mircea_popescu	sidestepped :D	[00:28]
nubbins`	graciously	[00:28]
mircea_popescu	sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, you know.	[00:28]
nubbins`	no, really?	[00:28]
nubbins`	:DDDDD	[00:28]
ThickAsThieves	my english teacher told me puns are	[00:28]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves i bet your english teacher never got lied.	[00:29]
nubbins`	lights blinking and wind picking up, gonna try to fry some salmon while i still can.	[00:29]
benkay	american english teachers know neither english nor how to teach.	[00:29]
ThickAsThieves	he was a hideous creature of form and mind	[00:29]
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mircea_popescu	imagine if he's from the hillbilly country and his parents are Form and Mindy	[00:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00087494 = 7.262 BTC [+]	[00:30]
ThickAsThieves	not punny	[00:30]
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mircea_popescu	anyway, has the esteemed & most serene college of the assets read my recent poem ?	[00:30]
mircea_popescu	pls to say nice things for else i'm cutting.	[00:30]
ThickAsThieves	;;google trilema writes a poem	[00:30]
gribble	Romanian Dicelist pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Lewis's trilemma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; C. S. Lewis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:	[00:30]
mircea_popescu	;;google trilema the letter third	[00:31]
gribble	Lewis's trilemma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Free exchange: A trio of trilemmas \| The Economist: ; Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.:	[00:31]
asciilifeform	i read it. needs a part II.	[00:31]
mircea_popescu	google is so fucking borkt...	[00:31]
asciilifeform	where the sultan meets his fate.	[00:31]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform http://www.romanianvoice.com/poezii/poezii/scrisoarea3.php if you care	[00:31]
mircea_popescu	the 2nd part is not about the sultan (which is duly forgotten), but about how pissed off the author is with the current environment	[00:32]
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mircea_popescu	cca 1880 he was distraught that people learn jack shit in school and everyone's lazy and stupid and wtf is this politics conspiraci of nonsense.	[00:32]
asciilifeform	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/50/Ilja_Jefimowitsch_Repin_009.jpg	[00:32]
asciilifeform	for anyone who never saw.	[00:33]
benkay	sottisier needs linking to bash.*, mircea_popescu	[00:33]
mircea_popescu	something like that.	[00:33]
mircea_popescu	benkay lol	[00:33]
mircea_popescu	don't be so mean, there's loads of smart things in there.	[00:33]
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mircea_popescu	http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=3	[00:34]
benkay	ah then then the forum	[00:34]
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benkay	yeah that in particular	[00:34]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets bash	[00:35]
pankkake	sottisier ?	[00:36]
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mircea_popescu	cads what i want to know is when the fuck did romanian and cabbage get identified. what, cause cluj cabbage ?	[00:36]
mircea_popescu	pankkake certes.	[00:36]
*	pankkake learned a French word today	[00:36]
mircea_popescu	nowai.	[00:36]
mircea_popescu	from ME ?!	[00:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28100 @ 0.00087224 = 24.5099 BTC [-] {2}	[00:37]
pankkake	from benkay technically	[00:37]
*	mircea_popescu deflates	[00:38]
benkay	ZING	[00:38]
mircea_popescu	fu benkay stealer of my things.	[00:38]
pankkake	if only your posts weren't that long, I would read them sooner	[00:38]
benkay	yup	[00:38]
*	mircea_popescu hatches deviouis plan to give false impressions to benkay leading him to try to immitate with the predictable result of losing his house, his ship, his sword, his woman and ending up alone on an island!	[00:39]
Mats_cd03	can i have the sword	[00:39]
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mircea_popescu	(which, incidentally, is a film with paolo villaggio	[00:39]
pankkake	does he lose his XP too?	[00:39]
benkay	i don't imitate, mircea_popescu i steap.	[00:39]
benkay	steal*	[00:39]
benkay	i begin to understand why offices work	[00:40]
mircea_popescu	pankkake no, that he keeps	[00:40]
benkay	you're responsible for the distractions roaming around	[00:40]
Mats_cd03	i tried to buy a .jp relic once, dealer tried to gouge me for $5k	[00:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG.F] 1 @ 2 BTC [+]	[00:41]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: lucky me, turned up, http://lib.rus.ec/b/363206/read#n_49	[00:41]
Mats_cd03	found a replica that was better than the real thing on ebay for $200	[00:41]
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Mats_cd03	although the replica didnt kill hundreds of chinese so i guess its inferior tbh	[00:42]
mircea_popescu	И, роняя капли света, словно брызги дождевые,	[00:42]
mircea_popescu	От восхода до заката встали радуги ночные.	[00:42]
mircea_popescu	you know that's not so bad.	[00:43]
benkay	you can always imbue your replica with that property, though, Mats_cd03	[00:43]
benkay	anyways that kind of property is kind of unique and so therefore probably worth in excess of 5k	[00:43]
benkay	that's what, less than an mpex seat?	[00:43]
benkay	sounds like a deal.	[00:44]
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Mats_cd03	it was a relic owned by a descendant of a .jp soldier in nanjing	[00:44]
benkay	"how many human lives is an mpex seat worth"	[00:44]
mircea_popescu	o it's the old soviet translation isn't it.	[00:44]
mircea_popescu	yeah they actually put a lot of effort into getting it right for some reason.	[00:44]
Mats_cd03	definitely worth more than 5k	[00:44]
asciilifeform	Mats_cd03: ww2 jp. swords suck (the issued ones, not the familial relics some of the nobles carried)	[00:44]
asciilifeform	not even reall japanese in style. more or less copies of eur. cavalry sabers of late 19th	[00:45]
asciilifeform	i thought serious sword folks knew that.	[00:45]
Mats_cd03	ya i thought so, so i picked up a carbon fibre weapon made with modern techniques	[00:45]
*	mircea_popescu directs benkay to the ample earlier discussions re nonfungibility of teh humans.	[00:45]
benkay	read it	[00:45]
benkay	thing is most humans are totally fungible	[00:45]
Mats_cd03	i have no expertise in that sort of thing, i meant to buy it as a gift for a colleague	[00:45]
mircea_popescu	teh sheeple!11	[00:45]
mircea_popescu	Mats_cd03 why'd you buy things you don't know to make gifts ?	[00:46]
benkay	the upper end of skill experience and what have ye isn't but that's a vanishingly small slice.	[00:46]
mircea_popescu	putting your friend in the awkward position of having been vicariously scammed doesn't seem like much of a gift	[00:46]
Mats_cd03	dude was a huge sword buff and owned all sorts of probably illegal war trophies	[00:46]
mircea_popescu	so therefore your odds of giving him something he doesn't think is shit are... <0.0001% ?	[00:47]
Mats_cd03	well i expected him to know the shit gift i bought him was shit	[00:47]
mircea_popescu	oic.	[00:47]
benkay	300 bucks'll get you a pretty nice bottle of wine, Mats_cd03.	[00:47]
Mats_cd03	the garbage wine he drinks is more than that	[00:48]
benkay	if you can avoid getting scammed ;)	[00:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7442 @ 0.00087201 = 6.4895 BTC [-] {2}	[00:48]
Mats_cd03	how do you buy gifts for someone who has everything	[00:48]
Mats_cd03	i mean... besides a vagina purse	[00:48]
Mats_cd03	http://craftastrophe.net/2008/11/keep-your-money-safe-in-your-vagina/	[00:48]
ozbot	Keep Your Money Safe – in Your Vagina \| Craftastrophe	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	wait this was a woman ?	[00:48]
Mats_cd03	no lol	[00:49]
benkay	human belt.	[00:49]
benkay	whoopie cushin	[00:49]
benkay	cushion	[00:49]
mircea_popescu	nubbins`: hey, fuck you guys << lawl.	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	i cant believe after all you nuts picking on poor nubsy i came in and picked him off as new.	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	all that's missing is herbi driving a jet over his cat or something.	[00:52]
ThickAsThieves	mp the Like button and +1 button are missing from trilema	[00:52]
ThickAsThieves	how can i express myself without expressing myself?	[00:52]
benkay	oh yeah also while we're on the topic your discus implementation is fucking horrendous too	[00:52]
benkay	disqus*	[00:53]
ThickAsThieves	also where's your keyword cloud	[00:53]
ThickAsThieves	so useful those things	[00:53]
mircea_popescu	o yeah ? well i had sex with your wife!	[00:53]
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benkay	yeah man keyword clouds are where its at	[00:54]
benkay	get with the 2004 mang	[00:54]
mircea_popescu	(the cannonical is, "his wife has cancer")	[00:54]
mircea_popescu	it's from the shrimpstore seinfeld episode.	[00:54]
mircea_popescu	http://www.seinology.com/scripts/script-147.shtml	[00:54]
ozbot	Seinology.com :: Scripts :: 147-The Comeback	[00:54]
mircea_popescu	bah fuck me, "his wife is in a coma".	[00:55]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[00:56]
ThickAsThieves	even better	[00:56]
ThickAsThieves	saying she's dead wouldnt be as funny either	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	nope.	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	they really polished those scripts.	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	you don't realise this on the first pass, watching it or w/e, but just try as a cw exercise to improve on them.	[00:56]
ThickAsThieves	i find tv shows to be increasingly predictable, i dont just mean boring	[00:57]
cazalla	curb is better	[00:57]
ThickAsThieves	i mean like where foreshadowing is painfully obvious	[00:58]
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ThickAsThieves	or like how they use almost famous actors as cameo villians	[00:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33245 @ 0.00087525 = 29.0977 BTC [+] {3}	[00:59]
Vexual	asciilifeform: nothing wrong with ww2 japanese swords, good factory steel relinquished in shame	[00:59]
benkay	curb? CURB?!	[00:59]
benkay	show is miserable.	[01:00]
benkay	awkward comedy at its worst.	[01:00]
benkay	nobody on that show can tell a joke.	[01:00]
benkay	maybe the joke is on me expecting comedy	[01:00]
ThickAsThieves	it's the Altcoin of comedy shows	[01:01]
ThickAsThieves	"is this a joke?"	[01:01]
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mircea_popescu	cazalla curb is atrocious.	[01:02]
mircea_popescu	"bro do you even joke ?"	[01:02]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves yeah, well, that'd be a funcrtion of you growing less retarded over time.	[01:03]
mircea_popescu	like for instance the mtgox thing ? totally impredictable and shocking for a few people.	[01:04]
mircea_popescu	somewhere.	[01:04]
benkay	so gox: criminally incompetent? criminals? or just incompetent?	[01:04]
benkay	[18:30]	[01:04]
benkay	i cant tell which	[01:04]
benkay	i know some	[01:04]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 46 @ 0.00296 = 0.1362 BTC [-]	[01:04]
mircea_popescu	you're promiscuous :D	[01:05]
benkay	disregarded me for months	[01:05]
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benkay	not terribly, it's the local btc irc channel	[01:05]
benkay	reptations get built in more places than -assets	[01:05]
benkay	and AND	[01:05]
benkay	i wear condoms.	[01:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30100 @ 0.00087198 = 26.2466 BTC [-] {2}	[01:05]
benkay	so it's okay baby	[01:05]
mircea_popescu	boys should b e promiscuous anyway.	[01:06]
benkay	hear hear	[01:06]
benkay	what about men?	[01:06]
mircea_popescu	"The term can carry a moral judgement and is viewed in the context of a mainstream social ideal for sexual activity to occur within exclusive committed relationships."	[01:06]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha wikipedia is grand.	[01:06]
mircea_popescu	"i know! let's give a bunch of clueless twits the unwarranted, indefensible idea that what they know and think is universal, and then let's have them write it all out.	[01:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 65 @ 0.00297498 = 0.1934 BTC [+]	[01:07]
mircea_popescu	educated, intelligent people everywhere will be entertained."	[01:07]
mircea_popescu	"for free."	[01:07]
benkay	britannica or gtfo	[01:08]
cazalla	mircea_popescu: because it's jewish?	[01:08]
benkay	and i mean the actual fucking bound volumes.	[01:08]
mircea_popescu	nah	[01:08]
nubbins`	i cant believe after all you nuts picking on poor nubsy i came in and picked him off as new.	[01:08]
nubbins`	i can't even get a break!	[01:09]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2014#487596	[01:09]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[01:09]
mircea_popescu	cazalla weren;t you from down under ?	[01:09]
nubbins`	earlier i was asking some guy about encryption and he starts going off about bridges!	[01:09]
cazalla	mircea_popescu: yes	[01:09]
mircea_popescu	jesus, herbi is the proximate cause for me trying to rewatch that crud, cause he also claimed it's better than seinfeld.	[01:10]
mircea_popescu	and he's also from there.	[01:10]
mircea_popescu	you people must have really brainrotting tv or something.	[01:10]
nubbins`	curb is funny if you think watching adults endure horrendously awkward situations is funny	[01:10]
benkay	he's also a wannabe quant computer guy	[01:10]
nubbins`	if you don't, well, it just isn't	[01:10]
mircea_popescu	but they suck. they can't act, they aren't funny.	[01:10]
benkay	and i think into anime shit as well.	[01:10]
mircea_popescu	i'd rather watch the surveillance cam	[01:10]
cazalla	curb is better than seinfeld	[01:10]
benkay	oh shit herbi's into some wackness	[01:10]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu, that's the thing. they're not even trying to act	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	hm, maybe that's what it is, the curb thing is funny for people who don't have access to surveillance cams,	[01:11]
benkay	he and Vexual were wanking each other off the nother night.	[01:11]
nubbins`	benkay :0	[01:11]
benkay	it was vile	[01:11]
benkay	anime music videos	[01:11]
benkay	horrible house music	[01:11]
nubbins`	oof	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	at least it wasn't dub step.	[01:11]
benkay	eh	[01:11]
benkay	i've done too many drugs with dubstep playing to care about it anymore	[01:12]
nubbins`	(dub: don't want to be paged? don't choose a nick that's a genre of music)	[01:12]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: having loads of fun with herr eminescu.	[01:12]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` dun worry, he knows i only do it to bother him	[01:12]
pankkake	dubsteb isn't all bad. just ignore the mainstream	[01:12]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform hey, write a russian variant!	[01:12]
nubbins`	dubstep, aka run some techno through a VCF	[01:12]
mircea_popescu	dubstep is okay if you're into fucking fifteen year olds.	[01:12]
nubbins`	and tweak the cutoff & peak knobs so it goes WOM WOM	[01:12]
benkay	well once upon a time	[01:13]
benkay	can't get away with it anymore	[01:13]
davout	wow: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-16/money-launderer-until-proven-innocent-italy-imposes-20-tax-withholding-all-inbound-m	[01:13]
benkay	mircea_popescu: ^^	[01:13]
nubbins`	dubstep is essentially "i bought a bunch of Moog modules and can't be fucked to learn how to use any of them"	[01:13]
mircea_popescu	i could but srsly... i prefer tits and a nicely formed hip-thigh complex.	[01:13]
benkay	nubbins`: nobody buys moog modules and so therefore has no incentive to actually learn them	[01:13]
benkay	no investment of money, no investment of time.	[01:13]
benkay	"why are these tools so hard bawwww"	[01:14]
nubbins`	heh.	[01:14]
mircea_popescu	italy is pretty much bankrupt.	[01:14]
mircea_popescu	how is this news ?	[01:14]
nubbins`	you have a point, they're doing it all with softsynths	[01:14]
mircea_popescu	italy has never, ever, at any poiint in its history, been able to pay the bills.	[01:14]
mircea_popescu	while the austrians paid for them, italy existed, then it didn't	[01:14]
Vexual	when in rome	[01:14]
mircea_popescu	then hitler took over,	[01:14]
mircea_popescu	then they didn't.	[01:14]
mircea_popescu	then germany took over, now they don't...	[01:14]
nubbins`	altho i suspect the "free" vs "$10k+" thing is a deciding factor when choosing softsynths over modulars too	[01:14]
pankkake	well most of the "dubstep" I like is closer to drum and bass. still…	[01:14]
mircea_popescu	it's not going to end. italians are willing to spend your money or starve. either way.	[01:15]
pankkake	eh, you can find 5-minute howto dubstep on youtube	[01:15]
benkay	nubbins`: that's precisely the problem. when people can't be arsed to figure out how to get their tools to make money, they don't arse themselves to grok the tools either.	[01:15]
nubbins`	pankkake, that's the problem	[01:15]
Mats_cd03	https://soundcloud.com/whiiite/luniz-i-got-5-on-it-whiiite-x	[01:15]
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nubbins`	10k "producers" watching a 5 minute tutorial on youtube and "releasing tracks"	[01:15]
benkay	if the tools are free, why develop competence when everyone else you know hacking on them is just as incompetent as yourself?	[01:16]
Mats_cd03	if you feel gangster listening to this trap mix... we are in agreement	[01:16]
pankkake	so dubstep songs are like altcoins	[01:16]
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benkay	all techno is cryptocoins	[01:16]
nubbins`	pankkake sort of, but more people take dubstep seriously	[01:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 202 @ 0.00084 = 0.1697 BTC [+]	[01:16]
nubbins`	and i suspect altcoins are no fun on club drugs	[01:17]
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nubbins`	mircea_popescu, did you send those atc yet?	[01:17]
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mircea_popescu	which atc ? the atc you never said you wanted ?	[01:17]
cads	behold the amazing power of 40,000 trolls to play pokemon for three days straight via random button presses: http://www.twitch.tv/twitchplayspokemon	[01:17]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[01:17]
cads	AMAZING	[01:17]
nubbins`	hey, i never said i didn't want em	[01:17]
nubbins`	i even gave you most of an address	[01:18]
pankkake	https://soundcloud.com/betamorph/logam-your-mom-makes-dubstep	[01:18]
Mats_cd03	i imagine youd have to be doped up to care about altcoins	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	lolk	[01:18]
nubbins`	send as many as you want	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	cads i thought pokemon was a cartoon series.	[01:18]
nubbins`	Mats_cd03: oh, you might be onto something there	[01:18]
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Mats_cd03	it was a game first i thought	[01:18]
cads	mircea_popescu: I'm not sure what came first, the video game nerd or the egg.	[01:18]
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mircea_popescu	aok.	[01:19]
Vexual	altcoin, not altcoins	[01:19]
Mats_cd03	wtf am i listening to pankkake	[01:19]
pankkake	Mats_cd03: the impaled northern moonforest of dubstep	[01:19]
benkay	i'll take nubbins`' altcoins	[01:19]
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nubbins`	you'll take them if your address starts with 1AltcoinSucksCocks	[01:20]
Vexual	altcoin is the plural!	[01:20]
benkay	shut up Vexual	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	A scientific study published in 2005 found that promiscuous men and women are judged equally harshly and a recent poll showed that both genders tend to express strong preference for sexually conservative partners.	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	dude this is absurd.	[01:20]
Mats_cd03	this is the worst thing i have listened to in months	[01:20]
CiPi	Real men use real things. :) Like bitcoin, not altcoin.	[01:20]
CiPi	loosers use altcoins.	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	someone prefers sexually conservative parties, somewhere in that africa over there across the atlantic ?!	[01:21]
benkay	doncha know mircea_popescu	[01:21]
benkay	we all sit around and talk about what kind of sex we'd like to have	[01:21]
benkay	get all horny	[01:21]
benkay	and then go home	[01:21]
pankkake	but it's not altcoins, it's Altcoin	[01:21]
nubbins`	1AltcoinSucksCocks0123456789abcdef	[01:22]
nubbins`	there we go	[01:22]
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benkay	pankkake: just transfer the coins nubbins` is throwing away to my account under your mgmt plz	[01:22]
nubbins`	the fuck is this, an auction?	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	lol	[01:23]
benkay	it's sunday in -assets!	[01:23]
benkay	#musical number begins	[01:23]
nubbins`	i am entitled to my entitlements!	[01:23]
benkay	you guys we need a stage musical	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	benkay i'm not giving preciously minted atc to the heathens!	[01:23]
TATwalking	I tell ya tho software producing takes a shit ton of time to get good at	[01:23]
benkay	wait i'm no heathen	[01:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18583 @ 0.0008743 = 16.2471 BTC [+]	[01:23]
nubbins`	TATwalking, this is why so few are good at it	[01:24]
benkay	this stage musical would have GLBSE	[01:24]
benkay	Colored Coins	[01:24]
benkay	Amir Taaki	[01:24]
nubbins`	"i'm a producer" can almost universally be responded to with "no you're not"	[01:24]
benkay	all as like transient guests that occasionally show up and say nonsensical things	[01:24]
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Vexual	lol	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` or with "it'll still cost you 70 for half and half"	[01:25]
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nubbins`	hah.	[01:25]
mircea_popescu	he's not a producer, she is a whore, honesty all the way.	[01:25]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 191 @ 0.00084157 = 0.1607 BTC [+] {2}	[01:25]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1285 BTC [+]	[01:26]
nubbins`	"altcoin: the commodity so valuable that people don't even want others throwing theirs away"	[01:26]
mircea_popescu	i paid good satoshis for that stuff i'll have you know.	[01:26]
TATwalking	I dodge the occasional tree :)	[01:26]
nubbins`	tell that to my empty atc address!	[01:26]
Apocalyptic	nubbins`, then buy some	[01:27]
nubbins`	Apocalyptic, i think you missed the point by about 5km	[01:27]
Apocalyptic	yeah i must admit haven't read the scroll	[01:27]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 31 @ 0.0055 = 0.1705 BTC	[01:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.06913778 = 3.4569 BTC [-] {4}	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic few do.	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	it's five hours a day.	[01:28]
nubbins`	i was bequeathed some atc and now can't get anybody to follow through!	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` because you were a smartass with derpy nonaddresses	[01:28]
nubbins`	totally is an address.	[01:28]
nubbins`	there's what, 2^9 private keys that will generate that address	[01:28]
TATwalking	now you must shoe on head	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	longest vanity in history.	[01:28]
nubbins`	well, 1MatthewNWrightIsAScammer was taken	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	obviously nubbins` did not read the protocol enough to know about the checksum.	[01:29]
nubbins`	OOOOOH	[01:29]
nubbins`	well fuck me	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	noty, but i did lel all the way/	[01:29]
nubbins`	heh	[01:29]
nubbins`	isn't my face red!	[01:29]
benkay	i thought it was mostly white with some tatooos	[01:29]
nubbins`	guess i better go read up &c &c	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	ppl come to this chan thinking they're real smart all the time.	[01:29]
nubbins`	benkay, heh	[01:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1980 @ 0.00043849 = 0.8682 BTC [-]	[01:30]
mircea_popescu	we're kinda used to it.	[01:30]
nubbins`	tbf i came to this chan with no such delusion	[01:30]
mircea_popescu	why be fair ?	[01:30]
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nubbins`	it's all that separates us from the savages	[01:30]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: "На коне своем любимом Мирча в самой гуще боя, / Он ведет свою лавину, попирая все живое."	[01:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG.F] 1 @ 2 BTC [+]	[01:31]
TATwalking	that and the Canadian border	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i know i know, it's very flattering.	[01:31]
nubbins`	TATwalking: unfortunately, we let americans through all the time	[01:31]
asciilifeform	named after this fellow?	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	the actual subject is mircea the old, http://istoriiregasite.wordpress.com/2012/06/08/cine-a-fost-mircea-si-de-ce-i-s-a-spus-cel-batran/	[01:31]
asciilifeform	aha.	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	well no, named after my father.	[01:31]
nubbins`	the only instance i can recall that a canadian went the other way is when that guy swam from windsor to detroit after slamming 8 beers, to see if he could	[01:32]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.06720001 = 0.5376 BTC [+]	[01:32]
nubbins`	(he could)	[01:32]
Vexual	thats called@ after breakfast@ here	[01:32]
TATwalking	and birner	[01:32]
TATwalking	bieber	[01:32]
mircea_popescu	TATwalking stop derping with your smartphone and pick up women	[01:33]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.128625 = 0.5145 BTC [+] {2}	[01:33]
mircea_popescu	that's what walks are for.	[01:33]
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TATwalking	lol	[01:33]
TATwalking	these are too heavy	[01:33]
nubbins`	the women?	[01:33]
TATwalking	:)	[01:33]
Vexual	hes carrying two desktops	[01:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00297498 = 0.2975 BTC [+]	[01:34]
nubbins`	one for irc, one for ___	[01:34]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform technically Mircea însuşi mână-n luptă vijelia-ngrozitoare, Care vine, vine, vine, calcă totul în picioare; is mircea himself leads into battle the fearsome tempest that coming, coming, coming, tramples everything underfoot.	[01:34]
mircea_popescu	they didn't have cgi in the 1800s, and you can almost see how much they'd have liked it	[01:34]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: more or less exactly.	[01:34]
mircea_popescu	by all the effort they put into verbaly emmulating it	[01:34]
asciilifeform	hell, Homer does just this.	[01:34]
mircea_popescu	indeed.	[01:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.06720001 = 0.2688 BTC [+]	[01:35]
nubbins`	turns out dickens didn't go on about the grocers for the word count	[01:35]
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nubbins`	http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/john-morillo-windsor-man-who-swam-across-detroit-river-regrets-it-1.2476250	[01:37]
ozbot	John Morillo, Windsor man who swam across Detroit River, regrets it - Windsor - CBC News	[01:38]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: love the ending.	[01:39]
mircea_popescu	remarkably reusable for 150 yo code.	[01:40]
asciilifeform	always had a soft spot for herr Tepes.	[01:40]
Namworld	Fun gif: http://i.imgur.com/RNW1vdF.gif	[01:40]
mircea_popescu	you mean the actual vlad or the other vlad dracul guy ?	[01:41]
asciilifeform	actual.	[01:41]
asciilifeform	the one who knew what to do with turks.	[01:41]
mircea_popescu	he beheaded a bunch of medieval jpm&co bankers	[01:41]
benkay	that's intense Namworld	[01:41]
mircea_popescu	as a result got a pretty bad wrap in the english language press of the time	[01:42]
mircea_popescu	which was german.	[01:42]
benkay	mircea_popescu: "bad rap"	[01:42]
benkay	as in rap sheet, arrest history	[01:42]
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Namworld	It sure is...	[01:43]
mircea_popescu	that'd be the literal.	[01:43]
mircea_popescu	Kazıklı Bey haha good one.	[01:45]
WillTablet	Hello	[01:46]
benkay	welcome	[01:47]
WillTablet	I gave myself a challenge - break even on the $18 worth of server I used to mine about 0.007 BTC worth of dogecoin	[01:47]
benkay	and?	[01:47]
WillTablet	And I'm pretty interested to see how it ends up	[01:48]
nubbins`	:/	[01:48]
nubbins`	anti-climax	[01:48]
benkay	;;ticker	[01:48]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 625.66, Best ask: 625.68, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 625.68, 24 hour volume: 26319.78171749, 24 hour low: 590.01, 24 hour high: 670.0, 24 hour vwap: 627.53549918	[01:48]
WillTablet	Ima try and get some of it back, I prolly won't break even	[01:48]
benkay	;;calc 623 * 0.007	[01:48]
gribble	4.361	[01:48]
WillTablet	Ima lend it to a reputable borrower on btcjam or something	[01:48]
benkay	why not just learn the lesson, WillTablet?	[01:48]
benkay	you're only out like 12 buck	[01:49]
WillTablet	During the loan period, I will read up on shares and economics	[01:49]
nubbins`	reputable borrower	[01:49]
benkay	hey WillTablet let me give you a bit of insight	[01:49]
WillTablet	Go ahead	[01:49]
nubbins`	if there's one thing that speaks to a man's repute, it's his constant need of loans	[01:49]
pankkake	is btcjam like coinlenders?	[01:49]
benkay	in ten years that 0.007 BTC will be worth several x your dollars	[01:49]
benkay	without any risk due to lending it out.	[01:50]
WillTablet	True	[01:50]
mircea_popescu	pankkake it;s more like a logical continuation of glbse.	[01:50]
mircea_popescu	they came out with figures at some point that on average 30% of loans were delinquent.	[01:50]
mircea_popescu	(course ignoramuses that they are, it was a victorious point of pride)	[01:50]
nubbins`	almost 70% of loans repaid!	[01:50]
WillTablet	benkay: if that's the case, why does anyone invest? I want to do it as an experiment, and expect to lose it all	[01:51]
asciilifeform	'Filtration System, a Marvel to Behold! It Removes 80% of Human Solid Waste!'	[01:51]
benkay	if you expect to lose it, why bother?	[01:51]
benkay	if you want to actually invest it, put it into MPEx.	[01:51]
benkay	it's a really good question, WillTablet.	[01:51]
nubbins`	yeah, put 0.0007 btc into mpex	[01:51]
WillTablet	Sarcasm?	[01:51]
nubbins`	yes	[01:51]
nubbins`	altho i think benkay was srs	[01:52]
benkay	the fundamental assumption is that a given operation will grow in value faster than btc.	[01:52]
ThickAsThieves	i saw a btcjam presentation once, he was surprisingly transparent	[01:52]
ThickAsThieves	considering how ba dthe numbers are	[01:52]
benkay	eh semi serious	[01:52]
benkay	kiddo doesn't know mpex	[01:52]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the point there being that there's a point of delinquency where loan packages become unworthy. all this is old fiat finance grease.	[01:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00087198 = 4.8831 BTC [-]	[01:52]
mircea_popescu	like you know, knowing what a space cadet kbd is.	[01:52]
benkay	0.007'd get et by jurov's fees instantly right?	[01:52]
WillTablet	mpex costs like 30 BTC a seat though	[01:52]
benkay	WillTablet: http://coinbr.com, although i think fees would eat you alive	[01:53]
nubbins`	i think the min deposit is more than that	[01:53]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: fave story re: tepes: 'Некогда же обедоваше под трупием мертвых человек, иже на колие саженых, множество бо округ стола его; он же среди их ядяше и тем услажашеся. Слуга же его, иже пред ним ясти ставляше, смраду оного не могии тер	[01:53]
asciilifeform	пети и заткну нос и на страну главу свою склони. Он же вопроси его: "что ради тако чинишь?" Он же отвеща государю: "не могу смрада сего терпети". Дракула же ту и повеле его на кол всадити, глаголя: "тамо ти есть высоко жити, смрад не м	[01:53]
ThickAsThieves	i imagine btcjam will be end up as proportionally unpopular as Prosper.com	[01:53]
asciilifeform	ожеть тебе доити".' (old russ. from http://www.old-russian.chat.ru/09drakula.htm)	[01:53]
benkay	your alternative is to throw it away on scams that don't have fees because they're not really businesses.	[01:53]
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ThickAsThieves	-be	[01:53]
ThickAsThieves	http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/15/us-germany-france-idUSBREA1E0IG20140215	[01:53]
benkay	if you want to learn investing, borrow some money from your parents WillTablet and put it into Tesla.	[01:53]
benkay	some into us treasury bonds	[01:53]
ozbot	Merkel, Hollande to discuss European communication network avoiding U.S.	[01:53]
asciilifeform	translation: 'once dining under the corpses of men, those impaled on stakes, many sat around his table, dining among him and in this taking plasure. servant of his, placing food before him, could not endure the stench,	[01:54]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves i never heard of prosper.com	[01:54]
ThickAsThieves	tsla is a pretty nicely volatile stock to play with	[01:54]
ThickAsThieves	now you have!	[01:54]
nubbins`	but bitcoin gives my portfolio all the volatility that i need	[01:54]
ThickAsThieves	it's pretty old	[01:54]
WillTablet	benkay: heh my parents wouldn't let me	[01:54]
asciilifeform	and plugged his nose and turned his head. lord asked him, 'why do you this.' answered he: 'cannot endure the stench'.	[01:54]
WillTablet	I'm actually lending money to them atm	[01:54]
benkay	sounds like a rat fuck of bad decisions, WillTablet	[01:55]
benkay	why are you doing that?	[01:55]
ThickAsThieves	lend money to parents?	[01:55]
ThickAsThieves	just give it	[01:55]
asciilifeform	drakula ordered the man sat upon the stake, taller than others: 'high is this place, you will live free of the stench there.'	[01:55]
nubbins`	rat fuck, i like that	[01:55]
asciilifeform	(end of trans.)	[01:55]
benkay	they'll take it from you when they're old and dying anyways.	[01:55]
mircea_popescu	hehe	[01:55]
WillTablet	They are giving me something like 3% interest, might be 5 actually	[01:55]
benkay	more likely -100%.	[01:55]
WillTablet	I might play about with investopedia	[01:56]
benkay	sigh	[01:56]
benkay	have fun, kid.	[01:56]
ThickAsThieves	question, did any of you tell your parents to buy btc?	[01:56]
benkay	yup.	[01:56]
nubbins`	yes	[01:56]
ThickAsThieves	and did they?	[01:57]
nubbins`	no	[01:57]
kakobrekla	i got mine in at 5$.	[01:57]
benkay	good man	[01:57]
nubbins`	gave my dad a casascius coin for his birthday one year	[01:57]
benkay	mine were burning retirement capital until 6 months ago	[01:57]
WillTablet	benkay: sarcasm?	[01:57]
benkay	irony	[01:57]
benkay	WillTablet ^^	[01:57]
Mats_cd03	whats going on with these tx inssues	[01:58]
Mats_cd03	^issues	[01:58]
benkay	the internet isn't going to teach you anything about investing except via exceptional losses.	[01:58]
WillTablet	So basically, the best thing to do with my bitcoins is to forget about them till I see on the news oh BTC is worth £4000 now	[01:58]
asciilifeform	EU: 'we'll build separate net. and run more winblows. our road to victory.'	[01:58]
Mats_cd03	bitpay doesn't work anymore, whining about some signature or other	[01:58]
ThickAsThieves	"We'll talk with France about how we can maintain a high level of data protection," Merkel said.	[01:59]
WillTablet	They have a market simulator though I suppose the psychological effect is different if its not real money	[01:59]
Duffer1	keep your btc	[01:59]
benkay	keep your btc	[01:59]
ThickAsThieves	seems like an awful lot of trouble to not solve spying	[02:00]
WillTablet	keep your btc	[02:00]
benkay	hang on WillTablet i have a book for you	[02:00]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform eu : we will say all sorts of things in no relation to what we actually do. it's what built rome.	[02:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.0008724 = 14.0456 BTC [+]	[02:00]
benkay	WillTablet: there are two books for you to read before you put any money into the market	[02:00]
WillTablet	Okay	[02:00]
benkay	The Intelligent Investor by Benjamin Graham	[02:00]
pankkake	ThickAsThieves: yeah, it's a high level of full of shitness. I hope nothing comes out of it, because the real motives probably aren't good	[02:00]
WillTablet	Are they heavy reading?	[02:00]
benkay	and Buffett - the Making of an American Capitalist	[02:00]
mircea_popescu	hey not bad.	[02:01]
mircea_popescu	krugman approved reading.	[02:01]
benkay	yup.	[02:01]
Duffer1	ha	[02:01]
benkay	if you can't make it through them, you're not ready for the markets.	[02:01]
WillTablet	Might get the pdf as parents would probably be like wtf investing	[02:01]
benkay	mircea_popescu: you have recommendations?	[02:01]
benkay	WillTablet: yeah get u some pdfs	[02:01]
benkay	WillTablet: learning is free these days. take advantage of it.	[02:02]
benkay	WillTablet: far more difficult than when we were taught, but hey this is the real world.	[02:02]
mircea_popescu	benkay i dun see a problem.	[02:02]
Mats_cd03	books are for nerds	[02:02]
mircea_popescu	so is your girlfriend.	[02:02]
WillTablet	benkay: does it involve anything more that grade 10 maths?	[02:02]
benkay	nope.	[02:02]
WillTablet	Good	[02:02]
Mats_cd03	i pray to god for investment purposes	[02:02]
WillTablet	Then I should be fine	[02:02]
Mats_cd03	my homeboy jesus knows whats good with k street	[02:03]
mircea_popescu	if you gotta pray to god for investment purpoises better make sure you pray to the god of the jooze.	[02:03]
benkay	the most complicated thing you'll ever encounter in most practical investment problems is time discounting of money WillTablet	[02:03]
benkay	WillTablet: have you worked with exponentials?	[02:03]
mircea_popescu	either that or set theory.	[02:03]
WillTablet	Sort of	[02:03]
benkay	^1/5 etc?	[02:03]
benkay	e^-iπ?	[02:03]
WillTablet	No	[02:04]
benkay	it's not that bad :)	[02:04]
WillTablet	shouldn't be too bad, no	[02:04]
benkay	and you won't need it to learn the important stuff about not losing your shirt.	[02:04]
benkay	but kid listen	[02:04]
benkay	sit on your butts	[02:04]
benkay	acquire more, don't burn the ones you have.	[02:04]
Mats_cd03	buy some atc, its the hot new thiing	[02:05]
Mats_cd03	in fact... trade all your buttcoins for atc	[02:05]
benkay	yeah hey mircea_popescu give the kid some atc	[02:05]
mircea_popescu	what am i, made of money ?	[02:05]
ThickAsThieves	WillTablet go here and install the wallet www.therealaltcoin.org	[02:05]
WillTablet	The kid	[02:05]
ThickAsThieves	i'll give him some	[02:05]
kakobrekla	Willy The Kid	[02:06]
mircea_popescu	WillTablet he's trying to be me, don't take it to heart.	[02:06]
WillTablet	Sorry, I am on an android ATM	[02:06]
WillTablet	Will google	[02:06]
pankkake	https://x-bt.com/markets/atcbtc trades happenin!	[02:06]
ozbot	X-BT - The new marketplace for trading Bitcoin with Litecoin, Namecoin and Altcoin	[02:06]
benkay	so how do we get the atc ticker in -assets?	[02:07]
mircea_popescu	Learn your Atc Btc Ctcs!	[02:07]
mircea_popescu	mebbe if we .bait assbot	[02:07]
Duffer1	.bait brought to you by Altcoin	[02:07]
WillTablet	ThickAsThieves: could you do so tomorrow maybe? I'm supposed to be in bed ATM, and am	[02:07]
benkay	.bait	[02:08]
ozbot	http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2unva3IM91r3drngo1_500.jpg	[02:08]
Mats_cd03	lols	[02:08]
Bugpowder	ThickAsThieves: I got my dad in at $20, he exited at $80, happy to make $60k.	[02:09]
pankkake	well, x-bt API is annoying. need an api key even to get trades	[02:09]
Vexual	http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=0eb0fad	[02:10]
ozbot	Image View - TIS	[02:10]
Apocalyptic	pankkake, yeah, a public API is under construction	[02:10]
Bugpowder	I knew I should have bought on the dip below $600...	[02:10]
Bugpowder	Just added a bit at $625.	[02:10]
Bugpowder	Where is the alt faucet?	[02:11]
asciilifeform	"came to drakula two catholic monks, from the hungarian lands, pittances to collect. he ordered them brought apart, and called up one, pointed to the yard, where one could see many sat upon stakes, or on wheels broken. he did ask: 'was i just? and who are these people, sitting on stakes?' answered the monk, 'no, lord, you do evil, killing without mercy; a lord must be merciful. and those sat upon the stakes - a	[02:11]
asciilifeform	re martyrs!' drakula called in the other monk and asked him same. he did answer: 'you, lord, are called by god to put to death evildoers and reward the virtuous. as for those upon the stakes, they wrought evil and were justly punished.' drakula spoke again to the first monk, 'why did you leave your cloister in the monastery and walk about the courts of great lords, if you know nothing of the world? you said you	[02:11]
asciilifeform	rself, these people are martyrs. so i wish to make you a martyr, be in the company of your fellows.' and ordered him sat upon a stake, but the other monk, sent with fifty golden ducats back to the hungarian borders, 'you are a wise man.'	[02:11]
WillTablet	Wonder what they mean by virtually priceless?	[02:12]
benkay	it's nice seeing y'all hash through the requirements of launching an altcoin	[02:12]
*	benkay adds faucet to the list	[02:12]
WillTablet	Does that mean worthless?	[02:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00087198 = 3.3135 BTC [-]	[02:12]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform :)	[02:13]
mircea_popescu	help create the world you wish to live in.	[02:13]
asciilifeform	circa 1486. "Сказание о Дракуле-воеводе." translation mine.	[02:13]
mircea_popescu	benkay it's not really belonging on the list. let people do their own charity personally.	[02:13]
pankkake	well, it doesn't even werk. or I'm using my client wrong …	[02:14]
mircea_popescu	curious what cads reads off that story :D	[02:15]
benkay	i hear and obey	[02:15]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG.F2] 2 @ 2 = 4 BTC [+]	[02:15]
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mircea_popescu	many hurias await thee in the land beyond the wobbles.	[02:16]
mircea_popescu	hm i guess in english it actually is houries	[02:17]
benkay	save the houries for chaang-noi	[02:18]
mircea_popescu	i doubt he gets any.	[02:18]
cads	hmm, what is this land beyond the wobbles?	[02:18]
ThickAsThieves	ThickAsThieves: could you do so tomorrow maybe? I'm supposed to be in bed ATM, and am /// yes just find me whenever	[02:18]
mircea_popescu	he'll prolly have to fuck cockroaches for all eternity.	[02:18]
asciilifeform	'came once from the hungarian lands a merchant to the city of drakula. and, as is custom at his court, left his cart on the city street in front of the house, and his wares - on the cart, and himself went to sleep in the house. and someone did steal from the cart 160 gold ducats. the merchant came to drakula, spoke to him of the missing gold. drakula answered, 'go, this same night you will have your gold again.	[02:18]
asciilifeform	' and ordered that in the whole city the thief be sought, 'should you fail to find him, the city shall perish.' and ordered the same night his old gold placed on the cart - with one added duacat. morning came, the mechant counted the gold, and counted again, then exclaimed: 'i have my gold again, but a ducat is extra!' and then the thief was caught, and the stolen gold brought. spoke drakula to the merchant th	[02:18]
asciilifeform	us: 'go with peace. and had you not spoken to me of the ducat, you would sit on this same stake as the thief.'	[02:18]
WillTablet	ThickAsThieves: yes	[02:19]
mircea_popescu	cads you know monty python ? the "there goes the neighbourhood" sketch ?	[02:19]
WillTablet	I have my PC on, since I am remarkably bad-ass	[02:19]
cads	:D	[02:19]
cads	ah, I haven't seen it	[02:19]
cads	is it john cleese making the speech about the wobbles?	[02:19]
mircea_popescu	see, romanians are uncultivated.	[02:19]
ThickAsThieves	Where is the alt faucet? /// is this needed for proliferation you think?	[02:19]
mircea_popescu	no, it's a cartoon	[02:19]
benkay	asciilifeform: what is this from which you're quoting?	[02:20]
ThickAsThieves	Wonder what they mean by virtually priceless? /// so do we	[02:20]
WillTablet	Ah	[02:20]
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asciilifeform	benkay: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2014#509711	[02:20]
WillTablet	Are yoy trying to make a point here? That altcoin is just another random coin that will never be used?	[02:21]
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benkay	asciilifeform: context?	[02:21]
asciilifeform	benkay: scroll up.	[02:21]
ThickAsThieves	that's not the point	[02:21]
WillTablet	What is the point?	[02:21]
ThickAsThieves	that there doesnt need to be one for everything to change	[02:21]
WillTablet	One what?	[02:22]
ThickAsThieves	point	[02:22]
WillTablet	Uhhhh-uh	[02:22]
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ThickAsThieves	it's heavy shit	[02:22]
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WillTablet	ThickAsThieves: I don't follow this	[02:22]
cads	asciilifeform: hah, awesome stories	[02:23]
Chris_Sabian_	TAT - so the only thing different about Altcoin is the name?	[02:23]
WillTablet	However, I'm guessing the altcoins were a lie	[02:23]
kakobrekla	WillTablet its the 15th standard.	[02:23]
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ThickAsThieves	youre trying too hard to fit it into a box, but it is a box	[02:23]
benkay	the coin is a lie	[02:23]
kakobrekla	the cake is a bill	[02:24]
cads	asciilifeform: are there more in the collection?	[02:24]
mircea_popescu	the little boy was a slice of cake!	[02:24]
asciilifeform	cads: tons.	[02:24]
WillTablet	ThickAsThieves: not helping that much	[02:24]
cads	:D	[02:24]
Chris_Sabian_	there are people buying altcoin for 350 - 500 satoshi on 2 exchanges	[02:25]
mircea_popescu	Chris_Sabian_ your mistake here is to proceed on the wholly prepasterous cads worldview, whereas that which matter doesn't matter, and that which is left once you're done ignoring what matters can then be counted.	[02:25]
ThickAsThieves	all these coins are just coins, and what makes them different is how people use them, whether they use them, etc	[02:25]
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mircea_popescu	and who uses them, and for what.	[02:25]
ThickAsThieves	yep	[02:25]
mircea_popescu	because, yet again, people aren't interchangeable.	[02:25]
mircea_popescu	and there's no such thing as "views".	[02:25]
*	cads feels he is becoming part of the the -assets mythos :D	[02:26]
WillTablet	So any investment is just defined by how its used? Like if all pound coins but one in the world was destroyed, the one pound would become worth more than jhst a pound?	[02:26]
mircea_popescu	so you are, you'll be forever remembered as the goldstain of some views you didn't even hold.	[02:26]
mircea_popescu	(consciously)	[02:26]
mircea_popescu	in a sense, you're being raped.	[02:26]
ThickAsThieves	no Will	[02:26]
mircea_popescu	s/goldstain/goldstein	[02:27]
WillTablet	If confusing teenagers is this fun, I can kinda see why teachers do it	[02:27]
ThickAsThieves	coins arent exactly investments	[02:27]
mircea_popescu	yw.	[02:27]
benkay	goldstain was pretty good	[02:27]
ThickAsThieves	they are vessels	[02:27]
WillTablet	ThickAsThieves: so in order to make a good decision one has to look at what other people do and where that got them?	[02:27]
ThickAsThieves	hey!	[02:28]
kakobrekla	sounds like something desirable, goldstain.	[02:28]
mircea_popescu	WillTablet as the girl explains. didja read it ?	[02:28]
ThickAsThieves	good thougth	[02:28]
ThickAsThieves	thought*	[02:28]
mircea_popescu	spicasspielers can't speal.	[02:28]
WillTablet	mircea_popescu: where?	[02:28]
ThickAsThieves	i can spell just fine, it's my fingers that never graduated	[02:28]
mircea_popescu	;;google mpoe-pr personal responsibility and the ponzi scam	[02:29]
gribble	Personal responsiblity and the Ponzi scam. - Bitcoin Forum: ; How Pyramid Schemes and Ponzi Schemes are Prosecuted in the ...: ; Domestic Taxation - LEHMAN TAX LAW:	[02:29]
mircea_popescu	1. Learn the pecking order. All opinions are not equal. Some people are to be respected. Learn who. Some people are irrelevant and easily ignored. Learn who. More importantly than the who, learn why. Is it just because "everyone else seems to think so"? That's no good, forget it. Is it because they were right when everyone else was wrong? That's perfect, especially if it occurs with any sort of consistency.	[02:29]
mircea_popescu	4. Step outside of your ideology. You might have been brought up in a very repressive social milieu in which some particular ideological slant was drilled into you. This is working to your disadvantage, get rid of it. Are you sticking up for your friends because they're your friends rather than because they have a point? Great for facebook, horrible for BTC. You will lose money. Are you following the crowd like a welfa	[02:29]
mircea_popescu	re state lemming? Great for the white collar slave, horrible for BTC. You will lose money. Do you think form is above content and as such it's okay to invade foreign countries and slaughter civilians just as long as nobody says shit, piss, fuck, cunt, cocksucker, motherfucker or tits on TV? Great for being an American, horrible for the free world. You will lose money.	[02:29]
mircea_popescu	etc	[02:29]
benkay	welfare state lemming.	[02:29]
benkay	yummy.	[02:30]
mircea_popescu	i hear people actually eat lemming	[02:30]
mircea_popescu	never had one myself.	[02:30]
benkay	shoes too, some of 'em.	[02:30]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves probably cause while you were in school, they were cutting class into the schoolmates.	[02:30]
*	mircea_popescu wonder if "splitting class" would have worked better there.	[02:31]
WillTablet	Right	[02:31]
WillTablet	Maybe I get this	[02:31]
WillTablet	Idk	[02:31]
mircea_popescu	what's the rush anyway.	[02:31]
benkay	WillTablet: you're probably young enough for it to make sense the first time you read it. consider it a blessing!	[02:31]
WillTablet	Seriously, prolly having some form of ASD is taking its toll hear	[02:31]
WillTablet	*here	[02:32]
WillTablet	Can someone just explain what they mean	[02:32]
mircea_popescu	what's the asd/atc rate ?	[02:32]
benkay	maybe, but channel that into focus on important things and learn how to handle humans. it /is/ a learnable skill.	[02:32]
*	mircea_popescu just realised that to the majority of readers, most everyone in this chan is undistinguishable from vexual.	[02:32]
WillTablet	Oh and my altcoin client says no block source available	[02:32]
Duffer1	pankakke have an addnode list?	[02:33]
mircea_popescu	wasn't it on the forum ?	[02:33]
Chris_Sabian_	you need to add a node	[02:33]
asciilifeform	'came once to drakula an envoy from the great hungarian king mathias; a noble baron, of polish birth. and drakula did sit and dine with him among the corpses. and the envoy saw before him on the ground, a thick and gilded stake, and then drakula asked of the envoy: 'tell me, for what have i prepared this stake?' fear took hold of the envoy, who thought a while, and spoke: 'seems to me, my lord, that someone amo	[02:33]
asciilifeform	ng the noble has dealt with you unjustly, and for him you have prepared a death more stately than for others.' drakula answered, 'you speak the truth. here you are - an envoy of a great lord, a kingly emissary, it is for you that i have crafted this stake.' answered the envoy, 'lord, if i have wrought an injustice worthy of death - do with me as you will. you are an impartial judge - it is not you who shall be	[02:33]
asciilifeform	to blame for my demise, but i alone.' drakula laughed, and spoke thus, 'had you not answered as you did, you would have sat down upon this stake.' and the lord ordered the envoy honoured, and gifted, and sent off in peace, with the words: 'you may walk as an envoy from great lords, to great lords, because you know how to speak to great lords; while others ought not even try, but let them first learn how to spea	[02:33]
asciilifeform	k to a great lord.' such was the custom of drakula: when an inexperienced envoy came to him, from a king or an emperor, and could not answer the wily questions of drakula, he would be sat upon a stake, drakula saying to him this: 'not i am to blame for your demise, but your lord is, or perhaps you are. for if your lord knew that you are unintelligent and inexperienced, and still sent you to me - a wise lord, yo	[02:33]
asciilifeform	ur own lord has slaine you. if you yourself had decided to come, with your own hand you have slain your own self.' and thus did the lord prepare for an emissary a tall gilded stake, and sat him down upon it, and to his lord he would send a message praying that in the future he not send to the wise and learned ruler a stupid and unlearned envoy.'	[02:33]
mod6	Need to add a node to altcoin.conf: Nodes: 188.165.216.59, 125.120.196.224, 68.35.72.33, 162.243.123.118	[02:34]
WillTablet	Yuhuh	[02:35]
WillTablet	So does this advice have anything to do with the offer of atc	[02:35]
mircea_popescu	what offer of atc ?!	[02:35]
WillTablet	Does the offer somehow make a point or do the points somehow make the offer	[02:35]
mircea_popescu	who's offering atc!	[02:35]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform going a little too far isn't it ?	[02:36]
kakobrekla	the round rocks beneath the ground have spoken through the fire	[02:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 30 @ 0.12278 = 3.6834 BTC [-] {4}	[02:37]
Bugpowder	MPEx should have an ATC futures market, with delivery.	[02:37]
Duffer1	I believe I recall TaT offering ATC	[02:37]
mircea_popescu	nobody really has enough atc yet	[02:37]
WillTablet	I don't gave an altcoin.conf	[02:37]
Bugpowder	Maybe ATC.DIFF?	[02:37]
WillTablet	*have	[02:37]
Duffer1	it's just a .txt you create yourself and drop in the wallet folder	[02:38]
Chris_Sabian_	you need to make one	[02:38]
Bugpowder	We need some way to get in the ATC game. Why can't MPEx provide it?	[02:38]
kakobrekla	its not a .txt its a .conf!	[02:38]
Duffer1	er yea	[02:38]
benkay	Bugpowder: maybe an alt PMB	[02:38]
Duffer1	use notepad, add your text, name the file altcoin.conf	[02:38]
Apocalyptic	heh	[02:38]
Chris_Sabian_	you create a .txt file with the info in it and then remain it as .conf	[02:38]
agamemnon23	agorecki AndrewJackson Apocalyptic arij Asa9 asciilifeform assbot AusBitBank__ Azelphur azi`	[02:38]
agamemnon23	agorecki AndrewJackson Apocalyptic arij Asa9 asciilifeform assbot AusBitBank__ Azelphur azi`	[02:38]
mircea_popescu	Bugpowder what's wrong with just populating the spot on apocalyptic's thing	[02:38]
kakobrekla	why dont we just call pirate do do another round of trust	[02:38]
Chris_Sabian_	path in windows: C:Users[username]AppDataRoamingAltcoin	[02:39]
pankkake	kakobrekla: niggers.conf	[02:39]
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Vexual	.dubstep	[02:39]
Duffer1	lol	[02:39]
kakobrekla	ithink its more beautysalon.txt	[02:39]
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pankkake	the node I'm running is 188.165.216.59 and it's in the source code, if you built from it	[02:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 19 @ 0.19376446 = 3.6815 BTC [+]	[02:40]
Apocalyptic	Bugpowder, they're waiting for you @ https://www.x-bt.com/markets/atcbtc	[02:40]
kakobrekla	if you had to put css on it, at least make it look rite	[02:40]
Bugpowder	Do you have charts? I need charts to do TA.	[02:40]
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pankkake	doesn't even have working api!	[02:41]
WillTablet	So I put this in the altcoin.conf?	[02:41]
WillTablet	Nodes: 188.165.216.59, 125.120.196.224, 68.35.72.33, 162.243.123.118	[02:41]
Apocalyptic	no charts, pankkake lies	[02:41]
kakobrekla	kako doesnt!	[02:42]
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kakobrekla	WillTablet the third book is the book of assets log	[02:43]
mod6	WillTablet no	[02:43]
mod6	needs to be:	[02:43]
mod6	addnode=	[02:43]
WillTablet	Okay	[02:44]
kakobrekla	just do it in console	[02:44]
kakobrekla	simpler.	[02:44]
mod6	and as much as i lothe btctawk, read through this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.0;all	[02:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00087211 = 16.0468 BTC [+]	[02:45]
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WillTablet	Got it	[02:47]
WillTablet	Might take a while to sync	[02:47]
mod6	werd	[02:47]
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Bugpowder	I need to setup my miner	[02:48]
Duffer1	how many mb is the altcoin blockchain up to?	[02:48]
WillTablet	I have a feeling this might take a while	[02:48]
mircea_popescu	Duffer1 100mb overhead and like 750 bytes of txn	[02:48]
Duffer1	did you guys ever get the source?	[02:49]
mircea_popescu	the most inefficient way to process information ever invented.	[02:49]
cads	hey guys, lemme offer my apologies for stirring up the channel last evening	[02:49]
cads	I was a trollish ass	[02:49]
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WillTablet	So what exactly is special about ATC? What does priceless even mean?	[02:50]
Bugpowder	I am willing to buy 10BTC worth of ATC, OTC... pm me.	[02:50]
mircea_popescu	cads that's the point of life dood.	[02:50]
mircea_popescu	Bugpowder at what price ?	[02:50]
nubbins`	to drink good wine before one's time?	[02:50]
Vexual	troll your pancreas	[02:51]
WillTablet	So this is still 2 weeks behind, no progress	[02:51]
WillTablet	Should I have added more nodes?	[02:51]
Bugpowder	250 satoshi / ATC	[02:51]
mod6	Bug: I didn't have much luck with an order on the book for a week. Try x-bt, market seems to be between 400-500 satoshi	[02:51]
mircea_popescu	Bugpowder i doubt that many atcs exist yet even	[02:52]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 1010*8 / 250	[02:52]
gribble	4000000	[02:52]
Vexual	nope	[02:52]
kakobrekla	Coins in circulation: 8,735,232 of ~268 Million (3.25%)	[02:52]
WillTablet	I feel so fucking stupid	[02:52]
Bugpowder	People said dogecoin was a joke, but ended up being very profitable for me. Altcoin's great benefit is optionality (look it up, I mean the technical finance term).	[02:53]
WillTablet	Ermahgerd	[02:53]
mod6	I got scammed out of 44k ATC @ openex so beware.	[02:53]
mircea_popescu	wow how ?	[02:53]
Vexual	how scammed?	[02:53]
Chris_Sabian_	mod6: there is an admin online on openex so you can be able to chat	[02:53]
mod6	they banned my account for no apparent reason, and haven't processed my last withdrawl.	[02:53]
WillTablet	Though doing cpu mining with altcoins and then buying BTC seems more profitable	[02:54]
Bugpowder	gox strat	[02:54]
mircea_popescu	outrageous.	[02:54]
mod6	So, it's kinda a wait and see situation. Ihave an email into their admins. Will give update when they make good.	[02:54]
Bugpowder	WillTablet: Depends on where you are on the adoption curve	[02:54]
WillTablet	Well, I am just burning up free azure credit	[02:55]
Chris_Sabian_	if anyone wants to make an altcoin p2p pool with bfgminer, that would be great	[02:55]
Vexual	mod6, they pay a lot of admins, i wonder what they do all day?	[02:55]
mircea_popescu	doesn't the current one support bfg ?	[02:55]
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Chris_Sabian_	cgminer	[02:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.06720001 = 0.2688 BTC [+]	[02:55]
mod6	Looks like x-bt did process my withdrawl today.. so far so good. Thx to Apoc.	[02:55]
benkay	also WillTablet you're going to want to ditch that Microsoft habit. gonna get you in trouble.	[02:55]
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WillTablet	benkay: how so?	[02:55]
Bugpowder	ATC needs a killer app though. Has anyone talked to dooglus about ATCdice/	[02:55]
Bugpowder	?	[02:56]
mod6	Vexual: they just ban accounts apparently.	[02:56]
pankkake	Chris_Sabian_: http://coinminer.net:19982/static/ is a p2pool	[02:56]
Chris_Sabian_	mod6: was that your 20k alt sold?	[02:56]
mod6	for no gd reason	[02:56]
mod6	Chris:that was a buy	[02:56]
benkay	no time to explain. ask the channel.	[02:56]
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Chris_Sabian_	how can I pm on here?	[02:56]
WillTablet	So why must I quit this Microsoft habit?	[02:56]
mircea_popescu	/query name	[02:56]
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jborkl	Bitcore library made all that much easier	[02:57]
WillTablet	So is altcoin a joke or a deliberately bad example?	[02:58]
mircea_popescu	it's a deliberately bad joke.	[02:58]
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Chris_Sabian_	but it is a bad joke that is selling for 350 satoshi each	[02:58]
mircea_popescu	amusingly, i bought a bunch for a third of that two weeks ago	[02:59]
Bugpowder	https://www.bitcoinbuilder.com	[02:59]
mircea_popescu	i guess this makes me like one of the early atc success stories / nouveau riches.	[02:59]
Vexual	bc is oldmoney now huh?	[02:59]
mod6	^^^	[02:59]
WillTablet	mircea_popescu: so should I just play along?	[03:00]
WillTablet	And be like oh yeah I knew it	[03:00]
WillTablet	Actually, I don't think I have time in life for BTC	[03:01]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20528 @ 0.00087172 = 17.8947 BTC [-] {2}	[03:01]
WillTablet	I mean, I haven't even figured out my intense social problems, nor stopped procrastinating	[03:01]
nubbins`	lel	[03:01]
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Chris_Sabian_	right now altcoin has a market cap of ~30 btc	[03:03]
WillTablet	Well, procrastination I'll figure out tomorrow	[03:03]
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BingoBoingo	WillTablet: First work on kicking the MS habit.	[03:04]
WillTablet	Okay, what's the problem with it?	[03:04]
WillTablet	It isn't losing me momey	[03:04]
WillTablet	*money	[03:04]
benkay	not yet	[03:04]
mircea_popescu	WillTablet not really. just give yourself time to understand stuff.	[03:04]
WillTablet	But it stops when the credit runs out	[03:04]
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BingoBoingo	WillTablet: If you have intense social problems there are few better things to do anyways than pick up a *nix habit.	[03:05]
kakobrekla	not sure if bashable	[03:06]
WillTablet	*nix	[03:06]
WillTablet	?	[03:06]
cads	:D	[03:06]
cads	+1	[03:06]
BingoBoingo	WillTablet: Linux, Unix, BSD, Solaris, Plan 9	[03:06]
WillTablet	Oh the server is ubuntu	[03:07]
WillTablet	My PC dual boots lm	[03:07]
mircea_popescu	you know it occurs to me oses are really like altchains	[03:07]
WillTablet	Which I use 50/50 with windows	[03:07]
mircea_popescu	and it's incredible there's no titsos yet	[03:07]
cads	oh hey, that reminds me	[03:08]
cads	has anyone applied portfolio theory to the bitcoin/altcoins system?	[03:08]
Bugpowder	Sure.... see https://twitter.com/trengriffin	[03:09]
BingoBoingo	http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=39	[03:09]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets bash	[03:09]
mircea_popescu	Bugpowder what's he written on the topic ?	[03:10]
pankkake	no titsos, but http://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/	[03:13]
mircea_popescu	meh, loli os	[03:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 60 @ 0.0055 = 0.33 BTC	[03:13]
pankkake	which was followed by the more serious http://lwn.net/Articles/565844/	[03:13]
benkay	Q : How/why did you make such a great OS?	[03:14]
benkay	A : I thought - what would attract young users to Linux? So I created this idea after a lot of reading and work.	[03:14]
benkay	such work	[03:14]
benkay	much readong	[03:14]
mircea_popescu	who the fuck is rebecca black	[03:14]
benkay	ahahahaha	[03:14]
cazalla	gotta get down on friday	[03:15]
benkay	today in -assets, mircea_popescu catches up to 2012	[03:15]
pankkake	poor girl ending up as a meme	[03:15]
Chris_Sabian_	...just dont go there	[03:15]
Duffer1	^	[03:15]
cads	"Manfred drops in at his hotel suite, unpacks his Aineko, plugs in a fresh set of cells to charge, and sticks most of his private	[03:15]
cads	keys in the safe. Then he heads straight for the party, which is currently happening at De Wildemann's; it's a twenty-minute	[03:15]
cads	walk, and the only real hazard is dodging the trams that sneak up on him behind the cover of his moving map display.	[03:15]
cads	Along the way, his glasses bring him up to date on the news. Europe has achieved peaceful political union for the first time	[03:15]
cads	ever: They're using this unprecedented state of affairs to harmonize the curvature of bananas. The Middle East is, well, it's	[03:15]
cads	just as bad as ever, but the war on fundamentalism doesn't hold much interest for Manfred. In San Diego, researchers are	[03:15]
cads	uploading lobsters into cyberspace, starting with the stomatogastric ganglion, one neuron at a time. They're burning GM	[03:15]
cads	cocoa in Belize and books in Georgia. NASA still can't put a man on the moon. Russia has re–elected the communist	[03:15]
cads	government with an increased majority in the Duma; meanwhile, in China, fevered rumors circulate about an imminent	[03:15]
cads	rehabilitation, the second coming of Mao, who will save them from the consequences of the Three Gorges disaster. In	[03:15]
cads	business news, the US Justice Department is – ironically – outraged at the Baby Bills. The divested Microsoft divisions have	[03:15]
cads	automated their legal processes and are spawning subsidiaries, IPOing them, and exchanging title in a bizarre parody of	[03:15]
cads	bacterial plasmid exchange, so fast that, by the time the windfall tax demands are served, the targets don't exist anymore,	[03:15]
cads	even though the same staff are working on the same software in the same Mumbai cubicle farms.	[03:15]
cads	Welcome to the twenty-first century."	[03:15]
mircea_popescu	omfg we'll have to put dpaste.com in the fucking topic of the fucking channel because all the fucking noobs can't find it on their own.	[03:15]
cads	- snip from Accelerando	[03:15]
cazalla	hello again cads, how are you today	[03:15]
cazalla	can't use pastebin or say hello? you are rude aren't you	[03:16]
cads	yeah, sorry guys, I was expecting it to be two or three lines	[03:17]
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Bugpowder	mircea_popescu: Nothing that I have seen. Just likes to blather on about theory of alt coins and bitcoins and VC shit. The whole Andressen Horowitz Twitter axis does it (Chris Dixon, Balaji Srinasivan, and Marc) Not a bad follow though	[03:17]
B0g4r7__	benkay bettyclamp bgupta BigBitz BingoBoingo blg bo0lcrap bones` bounce btcinmypocket Bugpowder Bunnyh bwq	[03:17]
Bugpowder	Twitter exclusively from what I've seen.	[03:17]
mircea_popescu	Bugpowder no argument, i just thought he actually published something useful / put some work into actually applying it or w/e.	[03:18]
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Bugpowder	Oh hey this is kinda interesting.... Almost all NEW bitcoins are spent. http://www.technologyreview.com/graphiti/524796/show-me-the-bitcoins/	[03:20]
assbot	123!	[03:20]
BingoBoingo	Bugpowder: Because pools have to pay their hashers.	[03:21]
Bugpowder	Although, do they count pool payouts as "being spent"	[03:21]
Chris_Sabian_	spent just means sent to a different address	[03:21]
Bugpowder	Yup	[03:21]
Chris_Sabian_	some new users could use a tumbler	[03:21]
cads	Bugpowder: I figured it be strange for miners to predominantly sell at the market price	[03:22]
mircea_popescu	someone mining on their own will still use a pool.	[03:22]
cads	exactly	[03:22]
mircea_popescu	set to private.	[03:22]
mircea_popescu	the block rewards will be sent to some sort of storage, even if it's just a cold wallet.	[03:22]
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mircea_popescu	consequently, derpy article about no subject.	[03:22]
cads	so the news is just telling us the majority of new bitcoins are mined by the pools	[03:22]
pankkake	actually, some pools pay with the block reward	[03:23]
mircea_popescu	cads except it doesn't even do that. all it says is what i said above,	[03:23]
mircea_popescu	"past a certain hash even solo mining uses a private pool"	[03:23]
pankkake	so you can know, for those pools	[03:23]
pankkake	but for the others, you can't	[03:23]
Chris_Sabian_	how about this one: https://blockchain.info/charts/n-transactions-excluding-popular?timespan=all&showDataPoints=false&daysAverageString=1&show_header=true&scale=1&address=	[03:23]
Bugpowder	Why is intelligent coverage so hard to come by? Are they actually stupid or are they just building a narrative that is catchy but they know actually false?	[03:24]
pankkake	answer is in the question	[03:24]
Bugpowder	Jonah Lehrer and Gladwell should collab on a bitcoin book.	[03:24]
mircea_popescu	Bugpowder because "views".	[03:25]
mircea_popescu	if you optimise for the largest possible counter of "views" it is antieconomical to actually publish intelligent coverage.	[03:25]
Bugpowder	This is the problem with scientific publishing too	[03:25]
mircea_popescu	indeed.	[03:26]
mircea_popescu	publishers should be rewarded by indingnance.	[03:26]
mircea_popescu	the more pissed off more people are, the more dough they get.	[03:26]
Bugpowder	For example, the recent dip cells in acid and they become super stem cells paper in Nature... Bullshit	[03:26]
mircea_popescu	Bugpowder aww and i was eating all these oranges trying t oturn my stomach into an octopus!	[03:26]
Bugpowder	Post pup peer review ongoing... nobody can replicate it, now irregularities being discovered in the gel blots...	[03:27]
Bugpowder	http://www.ipscell.com/stap-new-data/	[03:28]
Bugpowder	But the narrative is so sexy... Nature publishes	[03:28]
mircea_popescu	i imagine it'll be a good day when most of the people commenting on Nature are going "hey guise Nature is nasty I am ignoring it hahaha!"	[03:28]
Bugpowder	See also "Arsenic DNA"	[03:28]
Vexual	hey if it gives a viable story for where the stem cells came from in future findings, it can only be good for science	[03:28]
Bugpowder	mircea_popescu: That's the way it is on Twitter	[03:28]
cads	hmm, I might have an example of convenient narrative. I read an article of a blogger hyping maxcoin. She claims something about the mtgox situation that I can't quite understand, but seems to level the accusation that mtgox was engaging in fractional banking.	[03:29]
mircea_popescu	twitter is really very fragmented.	[03:29]
mircea_popescu	lots of idiot tribes.	[03:29]
Bugpowder	Vexual: Not if its total bullshit. It is negative for science, as that Nature slot is not used for something real.	[03:29]
cads	I don't know enough or care enough about mt gox to know what is going on there, but there was no mention of the bug or the millions lost	[03:29]
cads	and it seemed contrived, meant to attract money market types to maxcoin	[03:30]
mircea_popescu	i wouldn't go as far as to say it's bad for science, but it definitely is inconvenient for anyone not an idiot with a nature subscription.	[03:30]
Bugpowder	Nature guarantees that your work will be read and discussed by many scientists. We have limited bandwidth, must use it optimally. (like hanging in bitcoin-assets)	[03:30]
mircea_popescu	cads was it also a rewrite of the trilema gox article ?	[03:30]
mircea_popescu	Bugpowder obtaining cvorum on a definition of optimality however...	[03:30]
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mircea_popescu	i mean this channel was fundamentally born out of some clueless noobs' inability to grok that intelligent discussion is more important than avoiding displays of cunt.	[03:33]
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mircea_popescu	that and a practical smattering of impudent cockletry with delusions of hitlerism, but anwyay.	[03:33]
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cads	my though was that if money and fund types hear there was a bug that let criminals make off with millions they'd be unlikely to even consider what maxcoin has got going on that makes it 'even better' than bitcoin	[03:35]
cads	but if they hear that what's going on is that a trading house is doing a fractional banking scam, that's something that appeals much more to their refined palates	[03:35]
mircea_popescu	nobody asked the fund types.	[03:35]
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BingoBoingo	Fucking Guinea wops http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-16/money-launderer-until-proven-innocent-italy-imposes-20-tax-withholding-all-inbound-m	[03:36]
mircea_popescu	bitcoin will prevail in spite of the current hierarchy.	[03:36]
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mircea_popescu	whether elements contribute or don't contribute has no systemic impact	[03:36]
mircea_popescu	as the sine qua non for contribution is abjuration.	[03:36]
BitcoinPropagand	We make free bitcoin advertising-posters-wallpapers for non-crypto users, take a look: http://bitcoinpropaganda.blogspot.com If you like what you see pls donate!	[03:37]
mircea_popescu	BitcoinPropagand hey, you the guy with the posters ?	[03:37]
BitcoinPropagand	yes	[03:37]
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mircea_popescu	do you actually print and glue those things or just design them ?	[03:37]
BitcoinPropagand	just design and give them for free why?	[03:38]
mircea_popescu	because i'd be interested in supporting a program of propaganda against us banking interests signed MPEx/BTC	[03:38]
benkay	ship some to me	[03:38]
benkay	i'll go bike around town wheatpasting 'em	[03:39]
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BitcoinPropagand	interesting	[03:39]
benkay	i need something btc to do that's not this damn parser	[03:39]
mircea_popescu	but the facebook angle of "here's some pdfs of stuff we made in illustrator" has little adherence.	[03:39]
mircea_popescu	they'd have to be posted, and the postings photographed and so on.	[03:39]
mircea_popescu	lot of work on the ground.	[03:39]
Duffer1	billboards even	[03:40]
BitcoinPropagand	where can i see some of that?	[03:40]
mircea_popescu	they want to run illiterate articles in their bullshit rags nobody reads anyway, fine, let's put some paper on their limos.	[03:40]
mircea_popescu	Duffer1 no, specifically not billboards.	[03:40]
mircea_popescu	BitcoinPropagand http://trilema.com/2013/snsa-cardano-pricing-other-statements/ for instance	[03:41]
mircea_popescu	or http://trilema.com/2013/rng-board-is-here-cute-shirts-bonus/ if you prefer women.	[03:41]
mircea_popescu	i did the exact thing with Trilema posters in Romania five years ago, country was fucking full of stickers and whatnot.	[03:41]
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BitcoinPropagand	the t shirt of the woman is too short	[03:43]
mircea_popescu	that's a new one.	[03:43]
benkay	au contraire, not nearly short enough	[03:43]
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cads	http://therealasset.co.uk/bitcoin-maxcoin/ okay here's the article -- the first paragraph in the section "trouble at mt gox" gives a summary of the mt gox problems - glitches in gox + a bug in bitcoin + trade halt at gox + double counting.	[03:44]
asciilifeform	can't resist asking, why no billboards.	[03:44]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: In the US CBS owns them all and fuck CBS.	[03:45]
cads	The it does this: "In effect, Mt Gox had left themselves wide open to any accusation that they were no different to any other system operating on a fractional reserve basis."	[03:45]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform roughly for the same reason you don't come to the global warming protest in your car.	[03:45]
asciilifeform	haha	[03:46]
cads	It reduces the (essentially context free) summary to that single rhetorically charged statement.	[03:46]
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cads	first of all I just have to ask, 'wtf'?	[03:46]
mircea_popescu	cads why does some clueless piece in an irrelevant venue merit this much of your time ?	[03:46]
benkay	i'm pleased that 'fractional reserve' is now an insult.	[03:47]
mircea_popescu	now this is a good point.	[03:47]
benkay	3!	[03:47]
cads	I was wondering about Bugpowder's earlier statement. Is this writer an idiot or a smooth PR savage?	[03:48]
mircea_popescu	useful idiot	[03:48]
mircea_popescu	covers everything.	[03:48]
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mircea_popescu	i'm kind-of surprised there isn't a localbitcoins but for activists.	[03:49]
mircea_popescu	a central exchange where people can trade their deeds.	[03:49]
mircea_popescu	decentralised, of course.	[03:50]
benkay	people who can build web applications while derpy as fuck are significantly less derpy than people who burn their hours trying to fix the world.	[03:50]
benkay	in that the former chase profit and the later abhor it.	[03:50]
mircea_popescu	well seems like a bug more than a feature, this.	[03:50]
cads	mircea_popescu: did you ever hear of the 'Freicoin' demurage currency formulated by some of the occupy wallstreet people?	[03:51]
benkay	except that fixing the world is impossible except randomly from time to time as in the satoshi case.	[03:51]
mircea_popescu	cads yes, at the time.	[03:51]
mircea_popescu	and yes, i thought it's a good match, it's about as misguided as the people that came up with it.	[03:51]
asciilifeform	freicon! arbeit macht frei.	[03:51]
asciilifeform	i still don't get how that was supposed to work. 'eat shit! it tastes just as good as food! trust us'	[03:52]
BingoBoingo	freicoin removes Bitcoin's biggest market driver - "store of value"	[03:52]
mircea_popescu	benkay "being rich" is also impossible, how about that.	[03:52]
cads	The Freicoin website says, "Freicoin's parameters are carefully chosen to eliminate the basic interest component of investments, called the liquidity premium by economists. Usurious non-zero basic interest distorts the free market, incentivises poisonous greed, excess, and short-term thinking, and perpetuates a vicious cycle of boom/bust recessions."	[03:52]
BitcoinPropagand	Whos ur target, what's ur budget?	[03:52]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform because if you really really will something, that'll matter. in that your imagination has some bearing on reality.	[03:52]
benkay	you and i are both using "impossible" in the sense of "impossible for you or most other people"	[03:53]
benkay	mircea_popescu ^^	[03:53]
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mircea_popescu	benkay no, it's just self-defeating. the previous fixage becomes the baseline for the new brokedness	[03:53]
mircea_popescu	the richness of yesterday is merely poverty now.	[03:53]
benkay	except in bitcoin, mircea_popescu	[03:53]
cads	mircea_popescu: the market cap of freicoin is an initial jump followed by an absolutely perfect exponential decay: http://coinmarketcap.com/frc_90.html	[03:53]
benkay	the richness of today is the more richness of tomorrow	[03:53]
mircea_popescu	maybe.	[03:54]
cads	mircea_popescu: freicoin ain't going to inspire no greed, no sir!	[03:54]
mircea_popescu	cads you grossly misrepresent "greed".	[03:54]
cads	arguably their mission is complete :)	[03:54]
cads	mircea_popescu: I'm mostly laughing at freicoin.	[03:54]
mircea_popescu	BitcoinPropagand my budget is for the purpose of this discussion unlimited, but it is also unfortunately useless.	[03:55]
mircea_popescu	i could have just bought out the damned billboards if that was the angle i wanted.	[03:55]
asciilifeform	http://furtherglory.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/arbeit_macht_frei.jpg	[03:55]
mircea_popescu	cads o i missed a sarcasm there.	[03:55]
cads	I heard about it from, get this, a grungy muddy finance grad student living with two other grungy dudes in a 300 tent colony that had sprung up in one of the main parks in the center of atlanta	[03:56]
cads	living cramped in a tent*	[03:56]
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mircea_popescu	were they confused as to the whereabouts of wall street ?	[03:56]
asciilifeform	i still don't grok this. did anyone actually wish to use freicoin? or merely for others to use it.	[03:56]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform that question cuts to the heart of the matter.	[03:56]
cads	mircea_popescu: no no, to the left and the right and the north and the south towered the enormous buildings of the billionaires	[03:57]
mircea_popescu	does the "feminist" not wish to wear slutty clothes herself,	[03:57]
cads	laughing at them	[03:57]
mircea_popescu	or for other girls stop doing it ?	[03:57]
cads	boxing them in :D	[03:57]
mircea_popescu	lol	[03:57]
cads	it was funny because there were business men filing nervously past the tents every day	[03:57]
mircea_popescu	you know, i'd have gone to work early and hung out with the bums half an hour.	[03:58]
cads	on the camp ground there was hustle and bustle and optimism and the undeniably knowledge that they were DOING SOMETHING.	[03:58]
mircea_popescu	why pay for entertainment.	[03:58]
asciilifeform	'less world, more bank!'	[03:58]
cads	they had, get thiss	[03:58]
cads	runners	[03:58]
cads	runners that would run between camps in the city	[03:58]
cads	and spread news :D	[03:58]
mircea_popescu	i'd have been all like "but yo, if there's no more banks, were'd you check your privilege ?"	[03:58]
mircea_popescu	so good for them. running is quite healthy for young men.	[03:59]
benkay	you keep it in your encrypted privelege wallet	[03:59]
cads	the dialog of privilege had not been opened in the public yet	[03:59]
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cads	the key meme was the rhetoric of the "one percent"	[03:59]
mircea_popescu	i'd have had my printer print special PRIVILEGE CHECKs	[03:59]
mircea_popescu	and distributed them.	[03:59]
cads	haha	[03:59]
cads	maybe that's all white people have to do	[03:59]
benkay	privileged to rape one feminist?	[03:59]
mircea_popescu	and the kids' be all "but we don't have an account"	[03:59]
cads	well come on to the MP bank!	[04:00]
cads	and sign up!	[04:00]
mircea_popescu	and i'd have been all like a well.	[04:00]
mircea_popescu	nah.	[04:00]
benkay	"it's just a fantasy, office! this is totally consensual!"	[04:00]
cads	"free checking and savings for students"	[04:00]
mircea_popescu	mp bank prolly charges 100k to open an acct anyway.	[04:00]
KRS-One	heh	[04:00]
benkay	it's really a membership fee to the cigar and wine vaults	[04:00]
BingoBoingo	The original 1%'ers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outlaw_motorcycle_club#One_percenter	[04:00]
benkay	banking's just a side-bennie	[04:01]
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mircea_popescu	i wonder what'll happen once teh bitcoin forum crowd finds out there actually are plenty of irl banks that work exactly this way.	[04:01]
asciilifeform	i actually entertained myself at the wash. d.c. 'occupy' regularly, until it finally croaked. got GBs of video of these folks clowning around in a thousand riotously inane ways.	[04:01]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu:because i'd be interested in supporting a program of propaganda against us banking interests signed MPEx/BTC	[04:01]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform did you pick up ?	[04:01]
nubbins`	^ you know, that's not an entirely difficult task to pull off.	[04:01]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` provided enough people think with their heads, yes.	[04:02]
asciilifeform	it wasn't like they quizzed you for redditard orthodoxy at the door (what door)	[04:02]
asciilifeform	lots of idlers, in nice suits or otherwise, came to gawk.	[04:02]
mircea_popescu	ha!	[04:03]
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mircea_popescu	so i wouldn't have been the only one huh,	[04:03]
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nubbins`	mircea_popescu: any decent-sized city likely has a number of print shops that would happily churn out and slap up posters	[04:03]
mircea_popescu	srsly, if the ny mayor had any sense he'd have passed an ordinance saying that kids are allowed to camp indefinitely oly for as long as they're naked, also get three meals a day courtesy of the city.	[04:04]
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nubbins`	you could even get some of the big names to do some designs, get a bit of momentum behind it	[04:04]
mircea_popescu	then pass clothes dump trucks to collect the textile contraband, and beat the shit out of any dressed kids left.	[04:04]
asciilifeform	here, eventually the city confiscated their latrines.	[04:04]
BingoBoingo	nubbins`: You don't want to hit the big cities. Go for the select suburbs and exurbs where they actually live.	[04:04]
asciilifeform	some found their way into restaurant shitters, others did what they will where they stood	[04:05]
asciilifeform	eventually health inspectors condemned the tents.	[04:05]
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BitcoinPropagand	I need to know more about that program of propaganda	[04:05]
mircea_popescu	http://thehill.com/blogs/global-affairs/asia-pacific/198506-report-spies-watched-us-lawyers-in-trade-deal	[04:05]
nubbins`	BitcoinPropagand: what's to know? make posters and hire kids to put 'em up. this is how shows are advertised all across north america	[04:06]
benkay	mircea_popescu: that's what made me think about cold-calling DC intl law firms.	[04:06]
ThickAsThieves	dammit i'm missing good conversations	[04:07]
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ozbot	US law firm ensnared in spying by NSA ally \| TheHill	[04:07]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform new york missed a huge opportunity to start the largest fuckfest/rave in the history of the us.	[04:07]
mircea_popescu	could have eaten rio's festival tourist trade right off.	[04:07]
benkay	what do you call 8 bankers jumping out of a plane?	[04:07]
asciilifeform	they sorta did	[04:07]
benkay	scuse me 8 programmers	[04:07]
asciilifeform	but with genuine bums in the mix, it was 'acquired taste' rather than 'general interest' kind of affair.	[04:08]
ThickAsThieves	Do you have charts? I need charts to do TA. /// http://atc.blockr.io	[04:08]
benkay	NO WAIT FORUMFOLK	[04:08]
benkay	"air pollution"	[04:08]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you mean all the waspish wallflowers weren't about to take smelly bum cock ?	[04:08]
asciilifeform	sumthinglikethat	[04:08]
mircea_popescu	bs.	[04:08]
mircea_popescu	they'd have been all over that.	[04:08]
ThickAsThieves	Though doing cpu mining with altcoins and then buying BTC seems more profitable /// yeah but nubbins might call you a scammer	[04:09]
asciilifeform	evidently not enough.	[04:09]
mircea_popescu	only because of the ny mayor missing some very reasonable measures.	[04:09]
ThickAsThieves	ATC needs a killer app though. Has anyone talked to dooglus about ATCdice /// has he made alt versions before?	[04:09]
mircea_popescu	if they did what i propose you'd have a baby boom on your hands atm	[04:09]
asciilifeform	at any rate, the politically-aspirational academtards who were the 'krysha' of occupy eventually pulled the plug	[04:09]
asciilifeform	after der fuhrer's re-election was clinched	[04:09]
benkay	last thing we need is more 99%ers	[04:09]
mircea_popescu	myeah.	[04:09]
ThickAsThieves	I mean, I haven't even figured out my intense social problems, nor stopped procrastinating // dont confuse procrastinating with not wanting to do stupid shit	[04:10]
mircea_popescu	benkay more children is a time-tested solution to any social problem.	[04:10]
Bugpowder	ThickAsThieves: doge-dice has huge volume	[04:10]
Bugpowder	I had to add it to my hosts file	[04:10]
Bugpowder	along with just-dice	[04:10]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform http://eurasian-law-breaking-news.blogspot.ro/2011/11/abramovich-explains-krysha-concept-to.html for lelz.	[04:10]
KRS-One	i took just-dice money and they arent getting it back	[04:10]
asciilifeform	as if it needs much of an explanation beyond simple translation in the anglo world.	[04:11]
BingoBoingo	KRS-One: Move it into BitBet	[04:11]
asciilifeform	(or elsewhere for that matter)	[04:11]
KRS-One	i will	[04:11]
ThickAsThieves	lots of idiot tribes. // you owe Seth Godin royalties now	[04:11]
BingoBoingo	KRS-One: What bets are you looking at atm?	[04:11]
Bugpowder	benkay: If you want, my good friend is a DC associate at said international law firm.	[04:11]
KRS-One	havent looked for the last week or two	[04:11]
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mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves right, the dood contributed.	[04:12]
Bugpowder	don't exactly understand why you want to contact them	[04:12]
cazalla	check your bitcoin privilege	[04:12]
benkay	sell 'em cardanos, Bugpowder	[04:12]
benkay	plus "how to keep comms secure" lessons	[04:12]
Bugpowder	I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS	[04:12]
kakobrekla	O_o	[04:13]
benkay	oh you no cardano?	[04:13]
benkay	homie you behind the times like whoa	[04:13]
benkay	;;google cardano	[04:13]
gribble	Gerolamo Cardano - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Cardano: ; Cardan biography:	[04:13]
benkay	;;google trilema cardano	[04:13]
gribble	S.NSA - Cardano pricing, other statements pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: ; Unsorted collection of various Cardano related updates + ... - Trilema: ; S.NSA, January 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: (1 more message)	[04:13]
benkay	(first (second %))	[04:13]
BingoBoingo	KRS-One: Take 'NO' on this one http://bitbet.us/bet/281/btc-usd-at-mtgox-will-be-above-150-on/	[04:13]
mircea_popescu	from the random herp with mental issues and lulzy url department : http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/archives/10482	[04:14]
KRS-One	hmm	[04:14]
KRS-One	why is everyone yes?	[04:14]
KRS-One	mostly ys	[04:14]
BingoBoingo	KRS-One: You know it will be an interesting sweat.	[04:14]
kakobrekla	i mean this channel was fundamentally born out of some clueless noobs' inability to grok that intelligent discussion is more important than avoiding displays of cunt. < not really, was just to impress girls.	[04:14]
mircea_popescu	that too	[04:15]
Bugpowder	sounds good	[04:16]
Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sikjs9Jl_tg	[04:16]
Bugpowder	BingoBoingo: weighting sux	[04:16]
mircea_popescu	look at that, benkay may have actually got himself rich.	[04:16]
ozbot	Sam Simmons Problems 'Daddy wants a biscuit' - YouTube	[04:16]
Bugpowder	cardano... looks legit!	[04:17]
BingoBoingo	Bugpowder: Not really given where Gox is going.	[04:17]
Bugpowder	BingoBoingo: I think there is an 80% chance that resolves as yes.	[04:17]
BingoBoingo	Oh, ye of excessive faith.	[04:17]
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BingoBoingo	KRS-One: A decent second choice would be to start a BitBet.	[04:19]
BingoBoingo	South Syndney Rabbitohs to win the NRL regular season.	[04:20]
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cazalla	up the tigers	[04:21]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.115 = 0.345 BTC [-]	[04:21]
ThickAsThieves	i took no on that bet	[04:22]
Bugpowder	BingoBoingo: If you feel so strongly, why not buy the O.USD.P500T @ 1.500 BTC	[04:22]
ThickAsThieves	just in case	[04:22]
BingoBoingo	Bugpowder: I'm tied up in other things atm.	[04:23]
ThickAsThieves	well, for fun	[04:23]
KRS-One	That gox bet stinks, if they arent insolvent I'm sure they will be above $150	[04:23]
BingoBoingo	Well it depends on how long they can play pretend.	[04:23]
ThickAsThieves	well thats the bet at this point	[04:23]
KRS-One	They can get bought out too before anything drastic happens, I'm sure.	[04:24]
BingoBoingo	KRS-One: How much BTC are you looking to Bitbet, enough to play both sides?	[04:24]
KRS-One	There is a bit of goodwill with the mtgox brand..its been around a while.	[04:24]
KRS-One	Heh interesting	[04:24]
KRS-One	u can play both huh	[04:25]
Duffer1	brand presence sure but i wouldn't really call it goodwill :P	[04:25]
BingoBoingo	KRS-One: Playing both sides is often the best way to BitBet	[04:25]
KRS-One	goodwill is also negative	[04:25]
KRS-One	just the fact the brand is well known is what counts and even adds to balance sheets	[04:25]
Duffer1	ya	[04:25]
mircea_popescu	KRS-One you're wrong on that score.	[04:26]
mircea_popescu	mtgox is widely known for being shit.	[04:26]
mircea_popescu	this makes it a net negative, like bfl.	[04:26]
mircea_popescu	anyone seriously thinking of running their business would immediately rebrand.	[04:26]
mircea_popescu	not that anyone seriously is thinking of running their business.	[04:26]
ThickAsThieves	rebrand by pissing on it	[04:27]
KRS-One	goodwill whether negative or positive is accounted for on balance sheets	[04:27]
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Duffer1	ohh i see like trilema asset reports	[04:28]
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nubbins`	at this point trading magic cards would add legitimacy to their operation	[04:28]
Vexual	^^	[04:29]
Duffer1	i took that to mean something else...	[04:29]
BingoBoingo	I still have no answer to my wondering if maybe Mark Gox has a touch of Downs.	[04:29]
KRS-One	so even though mtgox has a negative reputation, most publications reference them..is that a bad thing to a new company trying to acquire the brand?	[04:29]
KRS-One	publications are always quoting prices from mtgox	[04:30]
KRS-One	and they've had a bad rep for years	[04:30]
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BingoBoingo	KRS-One: Unless you are fiat capitalized out of the wazoo.	[04:30]
mircea_popescu	KRS-One it is, yes.	[04:30]
mircea_popescu	bitcoin is not a mass venture. this isn;'t trying to bring about the next britney spears.	[04:31]
KRS-One	Im not making an argument for that really but i dig.	[04:31]
mircea_popescu	that aside "publications" are about as relevant as mice.	[04:31]
mircea_popescu	mice have been trying to eat cheese for millenia. does this mean cheese is a bank ?	[04:31]
KRS-One	Started out as bitbet wheher gox will go out of business.	[04:31]
mircea_popescu	should i plug my keyboard into a large block of cheese ?	[04:32]
*	BingoBoingo got a bottle of Vodka for myself because birthday if anyone was wondering.	[04:33]
KRS-One	Happy Birthday dude..not sure what the whole thing is on birthdays anyway..I passed the last 3 without any fanfare.	[04:33]
kakobrekla	happy bingo birthday	[04:33]
BingoBoingo	Thank you. I already had the delicous birthday dinner. Roast beef tongue.	[04:35]
ThickAsThieves	kinky	[04:35]
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mike_c	gratz bingo. make a bet today. b-day bets are always lucky.	[04:47]
BingoBoingo	mike_c: I made the unluckiest bet of all. I bought a lottery ticker with my vodka from the Arab store.	[04:48]
mike_c	hah. might as well swing big	[04:48]
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BingoBoingo	Well it was for the little lotto so I have a 1 in 500,000 chance of winning.	[04:50]
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BingoBoingo	If I win though, I'll probably add 50 BTC to my holdings.	[04:53]
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asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: if one must play lotto, why the fiat variety, and not xxx-dice?	[04:55]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Lotto has a longer lead time until chance renders its verdict. I like to savor the tension.	[04:55]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.115 = 1.38 BTC [-]	[04:57]
pankkake	yeah it feels weird for lotto chances of winning	[04:57]
BitcoinPropagand	nubbins` 1st you need to have the right message otherwise you will pass unnoticed	[04:57]
nubbins`	no need to tell me that!	[04:58]
BingoBoingo	pankkake: Well another upside to the lotto is most of my losing ticket I can know goes to miseducating the children.	[04:58]
BitcoinPropagand	what's the concept then?	[04:58]
nubbins`	no concept	[04:58]
pankkake	I've only bet 3×0.01BTC at 0.0099% chance	[04:58]
nubbins`	just talking hypotheticals	[04:58]
BitcoinPropagand	i see.	[04:58]
pankkake	BingoBoingo: your sentence does not compute	[04:59]
pankkake	at least in my head	[04:59]
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nubbins`	another upside to X is that Y goes to Z	[05:00]
BingoBoingo	pankkake: Maybe you are Sparc, while I am still 68k	[05:00]
nubbins`	Y being bingo's wasted money	[05:00]
nubbins`	Z goes to reading wallabee entrails	[05:01]
nubbins`	wallaby	[05:01]
nubbins`	w/e	[05:01]
BingoBoingo	nubbins`: I'm not an Aussie. Wallabee would be too expensive to fly out just for that.	[05:02]
nubbins`	why do i think you are?	[05:03]
nubbins`	i think it's your nick	[05:03]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.07001 = 0.9801 BTC [-] {2}	[05:03]
Vexual	of the extra hydroxyls	[05:03]
BingoBoingo	nubbins`: Prolly cause I'm awake when the Aussies are.	[05:04]
pankkake	this chan has weird sleep patterns	[05:06]
pankkake	I guess it's why I got sucked into it!	[05:06]
nubbins`	it's 11:36pm	[05:06]
pankkake	it's 4:06 am	[05:06]
nubbins`	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=470165.0	[05:08]
nubbins`	it's a new type of win	[05:08]
ozbot	[BOUNTY] Need a logo and slogan for new hybrid exchange	[05:08]
KRS-One	I still think even though there are companies with bad reputations that buying the brand is still worthwhile and even adds to the balance sheet.	[05:08]
BingoBoingo	It's 8 minutes after the hour	[05:08]
BingoBoingo	Sometime you suckers will abandon days and learn to embrace living by the hour	[05:08]
KRS-One	I'd have to disagree with mircea_popescu. I mean look at K-Mart it was bought by sears and nobody liked K-Mart.	[05:09]
nubbins`	heh.	[05:09]
KRS-One	A lot of money was involved with that.	[05:09]
KRS-One	I learned a little something in college.	[05:09]
KRS-One	between parties	[05:09]
KRS-One	and work and goofing off	[05:09]
kakobrekla	yes, time is arbitrary. i have been saying this for years now.	[05:10]
nubbins`	what are numbers, anyway?	[05:10]
BingoBoingo	Nobay likes sears either KRS-One	[05:11]
kakobrekla	and with that, im leaving cause its fukken late!	[05:12]
nubbins`	i'm leaving because i'm listless	[05:12]
KRS-One	yeah and they didnt change the kmart brand	[05:14]
KRS-One	point is, even though there are people who might not like the brand, its well known.	[05:14]
KRS-One	it can be improved	[05:15]
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KRS-One	try starting up a compnay with some new name that you just pull out of your ass	[05:15]
BingoBoingo	No, K-mart has been doomed since Rosanne took its guns	[05:15]
KRS-One	even shitts companies make sales	[05:15]
KRS-One	*shitty	[05:16]
BitcoinPropagand	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=102333.40	[05:16]
KRS-One	im not saying they are doing well just the fact that iwas a big aquisition and they didnt change the brand	[05:16]
BitcoinPropagand	is he/she always like this?	[05:16]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00087601 = 8.5849 BTC [-]	[05:16]
ozbot	Here's where I spew my accusations against MPOE. All are welcome.	[05:16]
BingoBoingo	BitcoinPropagand: That thread is an excellent exercise in separating soil from shit.	[05:18]
BitcoinPropagand	idk i'm just a tourist	[05:19]
BingoBoingo	BitcoinPropagand: No, that's my line.	[05:20]
the20year1	taking guns from retailers in teh US always has a negative effect on business. Men hate to shop, by selling guns they bring in men	[05:20]
Bugpowdurr	Goat needs to get his Lambo repo'ed and hauled off to jail.	[05:20]
BingoBoingo	BitcoinPropagand: Take some time and read. Everyone expects everyone else to try for six months on the reading anyways.	[05:20]
BitcoinPropagand	i just did it	[05:21]
BingoBoingo	The full six months?	[05:21]
BingoBoingo	How many BTC for your time machine?	[05:21]
BitcoinPropagand	read	[05:21]
KRS-One	ozbot just give my my bait	[05:22]
KRS-One	.bait	[05:22]
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ozbot	http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8ga3op0ir1rs2jpso1_1280.jpg	[05:22]
ThickAsThieves	i thought that butt was gold for a second	[05:22]
pankkake	gold butts are only for bitcoin conferences	[05:23]
pankkake	when's the altcoin conference?	[05:23]
pankkake	and altcoin foundation	[05:23]
Vexual	know any cool catacomb clubs?	[05:24]
BingoBoingo	Vexual: Maybe if you offer evidence of not being a cop.	[05:25]
mircea_popescu	Bugpowdurr whats your story with goat ?	[05:25]
mircea_popescu	pankkake you should prolly be doing the altcoin conference.	[05:25]
pankkake	last time I presented something in public, no one understood what my project was	[05:26]
Vexual	perfect	[05:26]
nubbins`	that's because you're not supposed to take your cock out on the bus ;(	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	pankkake now you see my wisdom.	[05:27]
pankkake	not really	[05:27]
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mircea_popescu	"He had a 4.0 GPA in English (and English fluency-required) classes throughout high school and college" < lol	[05:27]
mircea_popescu	pankkake nobody understands wtf atc is also.	[05:27]
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benkay	goat on the forum today	[05:32]
benkay	re mpex	[05:32]
benkay	"sooner or later greater fools will run out of money"	[05:32]
benkay	s/money/btc	[05:32]
mircea_popescu	lol ok.	[05:32]
mircea_popescu	amusingly, he's been derping this since 2011	[05:33]
mircea_popescu	in the interval, he ran out of "investor's" money 3x	[05:33]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.11403333 = 0.6842 BTC [-] {3}	[05:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12820 @ 0.0008765 = 11.2367 BTC [+]	[05:35]
mircea_popescu	here's something to consider : ancient china had FOUR beauties. that's it. four.	[05:35]
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mircea_popescu	meanwhile the us has had four "major" singer-songwriter chicks this week	[05:35]
Mats_cd03	beauties?	[05:35]
mircea_popescu	and bitcoin has had at least fourty-four greatest businesses last half hour.	[05:35]
mircea_popescu	in any field oif "business" one might be interested.	[05:36]
mircea_popescu	Mats_cd03 ya. beauties.	[05:36]
pankkake	I'd think it's mostly because information flows faster. and there's almost unlimited bandwidth	[05:36]
pankkake	more crap now!	[05:37]
Mats_cd03	what do you mean beauties	[05:37]
the20year1	greatest businesses?	[05:37]
mircea_popescu	and because since they're all ugly and stupid, how are you to even distinguish.	[05:37]
mircea_popescu	Mats_cd03 the plural of the noun beauty. like a beauty, two beauties.	[05:37]
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mircea_popescu	the20year yes. like these dorks https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=465334.msg5143475#msg5143475	[05:38]
asciilifeform	the four uglies. one entices rocks to float. one enwings bricks. one puts out the sun, who refuses to illuminate her face. one wilts flowers.	[05:39]
mircea_popescu	lol	[05:39]
mircea_popescu	"turns rocks to turds"	[05:39]
asciilifeform	amazing! rock converter.	[05:40]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[05:40]
Vexual	is she a volcano?	[05:40]
mircea_popescu	judging by the hydrogen sulfide...	[05:41]
asciilifeform	Vexual: nah, merely an anti-Midas.	[05:41]
Vexual	can't smell it, just lit my philospohy pipe	[05:41]
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Bugpowdurr	in the interval, he ran out of "investor's" money 3x Nothing personal. Just one of the scammers that hasn't been shut down yet.	[05:41]
mircea_popescu	he has, tho.	[05:41]
mircea_popescu	it's just... he has not much better to do with his time anyway, so he keeps coming back.	[05:42]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: So far the altcoin trading isn't going bad.	[05:42]
mircea_popescu	cool.	[05:42]
Bugpowdurr	I really do want some ATC.	[05:42]
BingoBoingo	Bugpowdurr: Buy at market on x-btc	[05:42]
Bugpowdurr	I think it could really appreciate in value and I could flip it for 10x	[05:42]
BingoBoingo	Sorry x-bt	[05:43]
Bugpowdurr	given the trajectory	[05:43]
mircea_popescu	what value ? and why would it appreciate in price anyway ?	[05:43]
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Bugpowdurr	Can one deposit to ATC	[05:43]
mircea_popescu	sure.	[05:43]
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BingoBoingo	Bugpowdurr: x-bt.com is the least scammy ATC exchange.	[05:43]
Bugpowdurr	Collective delusions cause price increases all the tim.	[05:43]
BingoBoingo	Bugpowdurr: Buy all of my asks	[05:43]
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Bugpowdurr	What makes ATC any different from 10s of 'mining stocks' or other alt coins? Nothing essential	[05:44]
Vexual	its the only altcoin and it has a philosophy club	[05:44]
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BingoBoingo	Bugpowdurr: Because defining is has continued longer than any meme has in history.	[05:44]
Bugpowdurr	It has at its core, the same driver of price as any other one of these.	[05:44]
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Bugpowdurr	doge is the biggest winner in that fiedl	[05:45]
mircea_popescu	doge is in a mudslide all of its own.	[05:45]
mircea_popescu	no fields.	[05:45]
nubbins`	ooh, 'fi' looks gross in this font	[05:46]
Bugpowdurr	The enthusiasm level on the street is palpable.	[05:46]
KRS-One	Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCCkDQ6gbg4	[05:46]
Bugpowdurr	You might not see it over in RO, but in Santa Monica meet up, people were pumped about doge.	[05:46]
Bugpowdurr	PRE price runup	[05:46]
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mircea_popescu	lmao.	[05:47]
mircea_popescu	what runup, afair it was going down	[05:47]
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mircea_popescu	anyway, the reason i put zero stock in whatever the us folk get "pumped up" about is because that's what they do for the sake of doing it. they have nothing to talk about so they tell each other how excited they are about random, unremarkable stuff.	[05:48]
BingoBoingo	Doge just had a halving didn't it and it still trades below ATC?	[05:48]
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ThickAsThieves	Doge is basically the social media of altcoins	[05:49]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo doge basically runs a dump and dillute, to extract five bux a head from the starbucks crowd in santa monica	[05:49]
ThickAsThieves	a fukn scourge	[05:49]
mircea_popescu	in this sense it makes zero difference to count "halvings" and whatnot	[05:49]
mircea_popescu	they just change the pow whenever to inflate it all away.	[05:49]
BitcoinPropagand	my favourite altcoin: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=458860.0	[05:49]
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mircea_popescu	and honestly, if i wanted fiddy grand out of a bunch of cali retards a) i wouldn't spend 80 grand to get it and b) i wouldn't bother this many people with the nonsense.	[05:50]
mircea_popescu	but then again that's me.	[05:50]
ThickAsThieves	Altcoin is worth more than AKC	[05:50]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: And thousands of penny stocks have done that before. It is why wops that don't read are doomed to repeat history, because Ponzi was a fucking Guinea.	[05:51]
Bugpowdurr	It went from 25 to 290 satoshi... I had 20M I bought low and sold at 50 to rebuy on a dip. Felt like I had been unfaithful and was punished.	[05:51]
ThickAsThieves	BitcoinPropagand -> www.therealaltcoin.org	[05:51]
Bugpowdurr	Case in point - Tweeter	[05:51]
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Bugpowdurr	TWTRQ	[05:51]
mircea_popescu	yes dood, and some twerps made a "brand" out of some youtube video.	[05:52]
mircea_popescu	the word is epiphenomena.	[05:52]
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Bugpowdurr	I respect the position of not wanting to participate in epiphenomena, but this attitude is exactly the same as what Joe Phil Morgan types use to talk themselves out of making bitcoin investments. Or Tren Griffin into thinking that alt-coins are where its really at.	[05:54]
mircea_popescu	no argument.	[05:55]
BitcoinPropagand	ThickAsThieves there's a exchange for that?	[05:55]
mircea_popescu	i was entirely at risk of missing bitcoin entirely, if it weren't for all teh people screaming at me,	[05:55]
BingoBoingo	BitcoinPropagand: x-bt.com	[05:55]
mircea_popescu	so it's a street not a fence.	[05:56]
ThickAsThieves	^	[05:59]
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Vexual	BingoBoingo, did you buy some half decent vodka for your birthday?	[06:02]
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BitcoinPropagand	looks interesting this is yours?	[06:03]
BingoBoingo	Vexual: No. I made a point to get the cheapest.	[06:03]
mircea_popescu	and with that i bid you all a very good time and you can call me asleep.	[06:04]
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mircea_popescu	Jere_Jones the pair is formed out of the base and the counter.	[09:53]
moiety	to do what bingo?	[09:53]
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mircea_popescu	o look it's a moiety.	[09:53]
moiety	mircea! how's you? i has a page naos! http://ely.ag/	[09:54]
moiety	not excited or anything	[09:54]
mircea_popescu	god forbid you be excited, this is puritania, all excitement is punished by nipple excision	[09:54]
mircea_popescu	or incision	[09:54]
mircea_popescu	or w/e.	[09:55]
mircea_popescu	haha nice page.	[09:55]
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mircea_popescu	has everything it needs to have, gpg key, email, etc.	[09:55]
mircea_popescu	lol cads discovering martingales. cute.	[09:56]
mircea_popescu	"hey guise! beer! w00t!"	[09:56]
moiety	look at me, i'm growing! i think bingo may have passed out	[09:58]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/02/15/bitcoins-largest-exchange-is-dying-heres-why-thats-not-a-problem-for-bitcoin/	[09:59]
ozbot	Bitcoin’s largest exchange is dying. Here’s why that’s not a problem for Bitcoin.	[09:59]
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mircea_popescu	check out tim lee changing his mind.	[09:59]
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BingoBoingo	I am so full of hate.	[10:00]
mircea_popescu	wha happened ?	[10:00]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: High School fucks want favors out of my sweet nothing.	[10:01]
mircea_popescu	so fuck them.	[10:01]
BingoBoingo	Oh, too late ofr that.	[10:01]
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mircea_popescu	never too late.	[10:02]
moiety	all this energy could be better spent elsewhere	[10:02]
BingoBoingo	Maybe for them. I remember though the time I tried to buy coke and got gyp'd into ketamine.	[10:03]
moiety	like turning me into a chess grandmaster or something	[10:03]
BingoBoingo	In 2009	[10:03]
BingoBoingo	moiety: That would ne cleaner that me collecting from all my nigs	[10:03]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07349999 = 0.147 BTC [+]	[10:04]
mircea_popescu	pankkake: how, now FeedBurner only reports 7 subscribers :/ I've sunk a lot << see that's why i prefer talking to max keiser. he has a lot of subscribers. this makes a difference. /sarcasm	[10:04]
BingoBoingo	Fuck, 7 is a lot of subscribers?	[10:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00087567 = 12.6096 BTC [-] {2}	[10:05]
BingoBoingo	(The hatorade builds)	[10:05]
mircea_popescu	"Jere_Jones:BingoBoingo The rest would be that BIP70 is a solution to a problem that doesn't exist and thus completely unnecessary?" lol checxk him out, at this rate by the end of the year he's rewriting trilema :D	[10:05]
moiety	if i ever blog, will you guys subscribe so i don't feel bad?!	[10:06]
mircea_popescu	nope.	[10:06]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: On BIP 70 he doesn't make it that far	[10:06]
*	moiety sighs	[10:06]
mircea_popescu	well maybe if tits.	[10:06]
mircea_popescu	what's in a subscription.	[10:06]
BingoBoingo	moiety: I'll sunscribe if you say something good.	[10:06]
mircea_popescu	maybe someone'll serbscribe...	[10:06]
moiety	supscript, i just say hi daily	[10:07]
mircea_popescu	lol	[10:07]
BingoBoingo	BE aware. As much anger as I have, there are moar people I'd like to kill than subscribe to.	[10:07]
mircea_popescu	so you;d subscribe to their funeral ?	[10:07]
BingoBoingo	Yeah.	[10:08]
mircea_popescu	best oration ever. "Dear people, I am here because I really wanted this fucker dead, and now he is."	[10:08]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: That is pretty much my legal defense.	[10:08]
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BingoBoingo	For that nasty disorderly conduct charge.	[10:08]
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mircea_popescu	sounds like it'd go over better in a las vegas strip club than in a chicago court.	[10:09]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Who said chicago. This goes to cour in East St Louis.	[10:09]
BingoBoingo	Because Niggers.txt.	[10:09]
BingoBoingo	I like some dark chocolate pussy, but not at the cost of my freedom.	[10:10]
mircea_popescu	you know he has a point. 28 is young as fuck, and i don't even comprehend wtf this notion is that twennysomethings should have like careers and moneyz and womenz and whatnot.	[10:10]
mircea_popescu	live a little.	[10:11]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/02/16/republicans-obama-is-violating-constitution-but-little-can-do/	[10:12]
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mircea_popescu	republicans : "nine out of ten participants to a gangbang really enjoy the experience"	[10:12]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Shhhh...	[10:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.072 = 0.144 BTC [+]	[10:13]
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BingoBoingo	I miss occupy WTF, because that was some easy tang.	[10:13]
BingoBoingo	BTC is a thing that exists nao though.	[10:14]
BingoBoingo	Dun dun dun dun. Stupid fucking mongoloids.	[10:15]
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mircea_popescu	so am i the only one for whom the https://bitcoinaverage.com/ site simply loads nothing ?	[10:15]
mircea_popescu	dumbass bootstrap javascript etc.	[10:15]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: That side loads a full Usagi for me	[10:17]
mircea_popescu	prolly attempts to load some blocked script and fails to degrade.	[10:17]
BingoBoingo	Shit	[10:18]
BingoBoingo	I dumped a bunch of cigs on my lap	[10:19]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13550 @ 0.00088021 = 11.9268 BTC [+] {2}	[10:20]
BingoBoingo	I howeveer an still willing to coach Paul Graham and be his Nick Saban for 100 BTC/year	[10:21]
moiety	works ok for me	[10:21]
BingoBoingo	moiety: Maybe harass him a bit with your vagina?	[10:21]
moiety	lol harass who and why?	[10:21]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo eh you're coming on too strong, and to the wrong people.	[10:22]
BingoBoingo	I want those assholes to learn to learn	[10:22]
mircea_popescu	paul graham is dead, or at any rate old enough he might as well be.	[10:22]
mircea_popescu	find some unheard of upstart.	[10:22]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I think too stong to the right people.	[10:22]
moiety	i'm not even sure how one harrasses with on'es vagina to begin with	[10:23]
mircea_popescu	for anyone into celebration : Tue, 13 May 2014 16:53:20 GMT will be unixtime 1400000000	[10:23]
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mircea_popescu	that aside, we doing anything for 1600000000 ?	[10:23]
BingoBoingo	Mircea No big BTC hollidays untile next year	[10:23]
mircea_popescu	(which, incidentally, aslo falls on a 13)	[10:23]
BingoBoingo	Any niggas here know a winkelvii?	[10:25]
mircea_popescu	https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/t1/1011280_3925436269695_899022348_n.jpg	[10:25]
BingoBoingo	I can't pull that... again	[10:26]
moiety	you know you get virtual assistants? do you think bitcoin secretaries would be of any use?	[10:26]
BingoBoingo	moiety: Move to Timisoara already	[10:26]
mircea_popescu	bitcoin secretaries would be of plenty of use, if they're very good at what they do.	[10:26]
moiety	where is that and why do i know that name	[10:27]
mircea_popescu	and they don't end up working for george.	[10:27]
moiety	and who is george	[10:27]
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BingoBoingo	George is the otheer nigga in timisoara	[10:27]
mircea_popescu	moiety http://www.seinology.com/scripts/script-95.shtml grep fro "feasible"	[10:27]
mircea_popescu	im sorry, doable not feasible	[10:27]
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mircea_popescu	forgot for a moment this show was intended for a us audience	[10:28]
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mircea_popescu	must use dblplusgood speaks and stuff.	[10:28]
BingoBoingo	I hold out for Paul graham for one reason.	[10:28]
BingoBoingo	niggers.txt.	[10:28]
moiety	aha! seinfield. I keep meaning to watch it, so many people reference it	[10:28]
BingoBoingo	Some dude though wanted me+him to be the StL BTC meetup.	[10:29]
BingoBoingo	Told him to fuck off.	[10:29]
BingoBoingo	Nao he works for Bitpay.	[10:29]
moiety	lol harsh	[10:30]
BingoBoingo	Told him an hour ago to fuck off harder	[10:30]
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BingoBoingo	moiety: This is how business happens though	[10:31]
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BingoBoingo	Especially since Charlie SHrem was Bitpay's BTC Jesus too.	[10:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.NSA] 12000 @ 0.0002 = 2.4 BTC [+]	[10:31]
moiety	lets get drunk today, seems the best road for monday	[10:32]
BingoBoingo	Nevar has anyone in the history of wealth held so little and done so much.	[10:32]
BingoBoingo	'Cauuse Plato was wrong, nigga	[10:33]
moiety	what happened to shrem?	[10:33]
BingoBoingo	moiety: He owned a bong in 'Murica?	[10:33]
moiety	found Timisoara, i know it from here. that's where you live mircea, right?	[10:35]
BingoBoingo	This is prolly still true http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=54	[10:35]
BingoBoingo	moiety: That isn't where he lives, That is where he thrives.	[10:36]
moiety	wiki has a lovely picture of the square at night in winter	[10:36]
moiety	why can't we have leds all year round	[10:37]
moiety	youre very very drunk huh bingo	[10:39]
BingoBoingo	moiety: If you think this is very drunk, I dun want to know what you imagine sober is	[10:39]
BingoBoingo	moiety: Even if there is worse, I swear I am not the worst.	[10:40]
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moiety	sober is when you don't talk to me	[10:41]
moiety	smahed is when you end up in court	[10:41]
moiety	smashed	[10:41]
moiety	i think we are in between just now :P	[10:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00088027 = 21.3025 BTC [+] {2}	[10:42]
BingoBoingo	Moiety ther is plenty of room to refine that spectrum	[10:42]
moiety	lol	[10:45]
BingoBoingo	Smashed is what I still defend in court, for justice.	[10:45]
moiety	february is next bit isnt it	[10:46]
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BingoBoingo	Smashed is what I still defend in court, for justice. Moiety it is a bit too late your you	[10:48]
moiety	understandation incomplete. please try again?	[10:50]
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BingoBoingo	Suppose again?	[10:51]
moiety	whats too late forme?	[10:51]
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moiety	im a lost cause in general, i thought we clarified that	[10:51]
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BingoBoingo	moiety: I am loster	[10:51]
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moiety	you feel more lost than you are BingoBoingo. i just think youre looking for something.	[10:52]
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moiety	http://www.cairnomohr.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Scottish-Strawberry-Wine.jpg i found this however gorgeous	[10:56]
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BingoBoingo	moiety: Of course I am lost, I am 'Murican	[10:57]
BingoBoingo	You have been trying for a niche too long. Do you want an expert or not; challenge posed t Mr Graham	[10:57]
moiety	did you just say that to him?	[10:58]
BingoBoingo	moiety: TO Graham, yes	[10:58]
moiety	you are one of the more enlightened 'muricans though bingo	[10:58]
BingoBoingo	moiety: I know	[10:58]
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BingoBoingo	And people who ignore that will pain	[10:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00088058 = 9.9946 BTC [+] {3}	[10:59]
moiety	this is why you need a bitch man, you need someone to sit on your phone in these times to create a line you cant go over	[10:59]
mircea_popescu	mkay, i see moiety has the situation in hand hiar.	[11:00]
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moiety	dont leave us!	[11:00]
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herbijudlestoids	hullo kids	[11:03]
herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: chess?	[11:03]
herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: the song is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AogtividIuk	[11:03]
moiety	herbi!	[11:04]
moiety	herbi herbi I've been at my pi again! It now looks after my email AND http://ely.ag/ beams	[11:05]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: Not nao when the laptop is a traitor	[11:06]
herbijudlestoids	moiety: got er goin 24/7? https://www.mailpile.is/ is something i heard about yesterday	[11:06]
herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: :( ok	[11:06]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: Black or white?	[11:07]
herbijudlestoids	haha are we playing?	[11:07]
herbijudlestoids	heads	[11:07]
herbijudlestoids	;;coin	[11:07]
gribble	tails	[11:07]
BingoBoingo	Why cause my lappy has the twitch?	[11:07]
herbijudlestoids	i came on just for a game!	[11:08]
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BingoBoingo	I coughed on the lappy and nao it is angry	[11:09]
herbijudlestoids	alright, enjoy the song ;)	[11:10]
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BingoBoingo	I am so full of hate	[11:10]
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BingoBoingo	can't click	[11:13]
BingoBoingo	such pain	[11:14]
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moiety	oooh herbi thanks for the mailpile link	[11:19]
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moiety	lol i love how bingo's speech becomes more and more dogelike the more and more vodka-filled he is	[11:20]
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BingoBoingo	moiety: i NEVER KNEW A dOGE WHO TALKED LIKE ME.	[11:24]
BingoBoingo	Maybe Doge means different things though.	[11:25]
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moiety	i dont know anyone that talks like you dear	[11:27]
moiety	thats a good thing	[11:27]
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moiety	are yous playing chess?	[11:28]
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BingoBoingo	moiety: Mouse ain't working right, so no, night night	[11:29]
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moiety	nanight BingoBoingo sleep well, hope you dont feel rough when you get up	[11:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00087554 = 8.2301 BTC [-]	[11:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.574999 BTC [+]	[11:31]
moiety	is selling domains on btctalk a hideous idea?	[11:35]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2700 @ 0.00087493 = 2.3623 BTC [-]	[11:39]
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WillTablet	Hello	[11:42]
cazalla	depends, most people selling domains there are selling utter junk	[11:42]
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WillTablet	Heh if anyone wants dickfun.com for the rest of its term they can have ir	[11:52]
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jurov	https://twitter.com/ConanOBrien/status/435273030927802368 << mircea_popescu	[11:54]
ozbot	Twitter / ConanOBrien: Wow. Strippers get angry if ...	[11:54]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.58400221 = 6.424 BTC [+]	[12:01]
moiety	-strippers get angry if... they aren't spray painted gold first	[12:04]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.58400221 = 1.168 BTC [+]	[12:07]
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moiety	hey, steve, please turn off your laptop!	[12:17]
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moiety	or not	[12:17]
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moiety	cazalla: mine is a bitcoin domain, just unsure what to list for	[12:20]
cazalla	moiety: obviously but 99% of them are total shit	[12:21]
moiety	yeah ive just been having a look at other listings for reference cazalla i see what you mean	[12:22]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.19376446 = 1.5501 BTC [+]	[12:37]
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Namworld	https://www.mtgox.com/img/pdf/20140217-Announcement.pdf	[12:42]
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Namworld	"With this new system in place, MtGox should be able to resume withdrawals	[12:42]
Namworld	soon. At the beginning we will do so at a moderated pace and with new daily/	[12:42]
Namworld	monthly limits in place to prevent any problems with the new system and to take	[12:42]
Namworld	into account current market conditions. "	[12:42]
Namworld	market... conditions... right, whatever that is supposed to mean.	[12:43]
davout	also how is an e-mail telling you someone logged in to your account a security measure	[12:44]
CiPi	Is crap.	[12:44]
CiPi	They lie again.	[12:44]
CiPi	That fat mark liar.	[12:44]
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davout	that's just letting you know you're being buttraped faster but doesn't really help...	[12:45]
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davout	"hey, someone is currently performing surprise butseks on your account, since they'll probably change your password right away you're fucked nonetheless"	[12:46]
CiPi	I`m glad that i don`t have coins there.	[12:46]
CiPi	I just identified a jew, nkuttler...a big one...	[12:47]
jurov	;;bc,stats	[12:47]
gribble	Current Blocks: 286340 \| Current Difficulty: 3.1295731745222874E9 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 288287 \| Next Difficulty In: 1947 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 22 hours, 31 minutes, and 0 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 3607442252.4 \| Estimated Percent Change: 15.26946	[12:47]
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jurov	oh it did already change again	[12:48]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3150 @ 0.00087503 = 2.7563 BTC [+]	[12:53]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 43 @ 0.06720002 = 2.8896 BTC [-] {4}	[13:00]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.06437499 = 0.515 BTC [-] {5}	[13:04]
davout	!t m x.eur	[13:04]
assbot	[MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00218173 / 0.00218173 / 0.00218173 (450 shares, 0.98 BTC), 7D: 0.00194567 / 0.00201007 / 0.00218173 (3800 shares, 7.64 BTC), 30D: 0.00166114 / 0.00178039 / 0.00218173 (15250 shares, 27.15 BTC)	[13:04]
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Willdude123	Are all this bitcoin stocks actually legal?	[13:12]
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KRS-One	hah	[13:15]
Willdude123	IKR legal is so 2013	[13:16]
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davout	Willdude123: define "legal"	[13:18]
Willdude123	In keeping with financial tax, regulation and investment law	[13:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4000 @ 0.0002375 = 0.95 BTC [+]	[13:21]
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random_cat	in what locale?	[13:24]
random_cat	for the buyer or the seller?	[13:25]
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davout	Willdude123: "teh law" is something relative to where you live, so unless you specify which law it is impossible to go further	[13:29]
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davout	bitcoin stocks are perfectly compliant with the laws of gravity	[13:30]
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Willdude123	Loads of exchanges tell people not to trade if they're in the US. What laws apply if they are offshore but primarily serving Americans?	[13:31]
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davout	Willdude123: i didn't really investigate the subject of the application of american regulations to non-US bitcoin stock exchanges, but it seems the SEC does have an opinion, not that it really matters that much though. you should ask nefario about it, he used to run glbse that allegedly closed down due to some sort of SEC-indeuced legal pressure	[13:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 83 @ 0.0055 = 0.4565 BTC	[13:37]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7904 @ 0.00087503 = 6.9162 BTC [+]	[13:42]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.129 BTC [+]	[13:43]
Namworld	[06:30] bitcoin stocks are perfectly compliant with the laws of gravity	[13:49]
Namworld	ah	[13:50]
random_cat	which laws of gravity? Newton, Einstein, or something newer?	[13:51]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.19376446 = 1.5501 BTC [+]	[14:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [+]	[14:29]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.12 = 0.96 BTC [-]	[14:31]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+]	[14:32]
ThickAsThieves	i called it! "With this new system in place, MtGox should be able to resume withdrawals soon. At the beginning we will do so at a moderated pace and with new daily/monthly limits in place to prevent any problems with the new system and to take	[14:34]
ThickAsThieves	into account current market conditions. "	[14:34]
ThickAsThieves	[16:54] so any predictions what gox will announce?	[14:36]
ThickAsThieves	[16:55] i'm going with "btc withdrawals are now partially open, so we can monitor the situation"	[14:36]
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Willdude123	Hey ThickAsThieves	[14:45]
Willdude123	I was thinking I could learn more programming and do that for BTC	[14:45]
ThickAsThieves	go for it	[14:49]
ThickAsThieves	just dont be a flaky knowitallthatknowslittle programmer	[14:49]
ThickAsThieves	we have enough of those	[14:49]
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Willdude123	So someone who's just like ooh programming I can get $$ for this	[14:55]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.07777002 = 0.3111 BTC [-] {2}	[15:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21850 @ 0.00087482 = 19.1148 BTC [-] {2}	[15:10]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25254 @ 0.0008755 = 22.1099 BTC [+] {2}	[15:15]
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moiety	any men online just now??	[15:21]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 400 @ 0.00087467 = 0.3499 BTC [-]	[15:24]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.129 = 0.258 BTC [+]	[15:26]
kakobrekla	yes, men online just now.	[15:27]
moiety	lol sorry realise how that sounded	[15:30]
moiety	ignore me, i had a situation	[15:30]
Willdude123	Men in your area	[15:31]
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Willdude123	Looking for fun :P	[15:31]
kakobrekla	men just want to have fun	[15:36]
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KRS-One	Woo! Lets party	[15:38]
KRS-One	Who wants to cyber?	[15:39]
KRS-One	.bait	[15:39]
ozbot	http://24.media.tumblr.com/4a52a4e5ccfe25e254cce8995ea87410/tumblr_mooo4un2LE1r6rxajo1_1280.jpg	[15:39]
mircea_popescu	simona halep is now #9 wta! ha!	[15:39]
kakobrekla	;;google cyndi lauper just want to have fun	[15:39]
gribble	Cyndi Lauper - Girls Just Want To Have Fun - YouTube: ; Girls Just Want to Have Fun - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Cyndi Lauper – Girls Just Want to Have Fun – Listen and discover ...:	[15:39]
mircea_popescu	lol jurov	[15:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 500 @ 0.0002375 = 0.1188 BTC [+]	[15:42]
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ThickAsThieves	whoa simona has big lungs	[15:48]
mircea_popescu	not anymore	[15:48]
mircea_popescu	she used to.	[15:48]
ThickAsThieves	ah	[15:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.571 = 1.713 BTC [-]	[15:49]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07349999 = 0.3675 BTC [+] {2}	[15:51]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.061 = 0.122 BTC [-]	[15:51]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.13 BTC [+]	[15:51]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0735 = 1.47 BTC [+] {2}	[15:52]
moiety	sorry guys, what happened was i went outside and my pet i just buried had been uncovered and was missing, i just didn't know what to do and i got a bit upset. apologies	[15:52]
mircea_popescu	so was it a fox ?	[15:52]
moiety	maybe, or dog or something	[15:52]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07349999 = 0.735 BTC [-] {2}	[15:53]
moiety	the stuff i had wrapped the pet in was all over thegarden :(	[15:53]
moiety	and im scared to find parts of my pet, you know?	[15:53]
mircea_popescu	sucks ;/	[15:53]
*	moiety is not very good with pet related things	[15:53]
mircea_popescu	why did you bury it shallow ?	[15:53]
moiety	i didn't think it was shallow	[15:53]
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mircea_popescu	how deep was it ?	[15:53]
moiety	and its a private garden	[15:54]
moiety	thinking on it, about a foot?	[15:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0735 = 0.735 BTC [+]	[15:54]
mircea_popescu	that makes no difference, ownership is a people thing not a nature thing.	[15:54]
mircea_popescu	ever heard the "seven feet under" expression ?	[15:54]
*	moiety nods	[15:54]
ThickAsThieves	sixfeet in US	[15:54]
ThickAsThieves	we even have a TV show	[15:54]
moiety	it was just really hard digging a hole with a spoon on my own, i was a bit upset when i was doing it	[15:54]
mircea_popescu	yes well.	[15:54]
mircea_popescu	didja put anything over it ? like a plank or something ?	[15:55]
Willdude123	ThickAsThieves, can I ask you a question regarding B.MINE and B.SELL?	[15:55]
ThickAsThieves	you should ask the guy who runs it	[15:55]
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moiety	yeah, i put wood planks that were outside over her to keep her safe	[15:55]
mircea_popescu	what did you bury ?	[15:55]
moiety	please don't laugh, she meant a lot to me	[15:56]
moiety	hamster	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	it was a cat.	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	cats will dig about a foot	[15:56]
ThickAsThieves	you think?	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	defo.	[15:56]
moiety	i think that makes sense	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	next time get a shovel eh. just because it's a tiny pet doesn't mean it can't get a manly burial.	[15:57]
moiety	there isnt that much of a mess for a dog to have been digging	[15:57]
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kakobrekla	well, you did provide some cat a meal, thats a good thing.	[15:57]
moiety	i learned big lesson today mircea_popescu	[15:57]
ThickAsThieves	i'd guess another critter	[15:57]
moiety	i guess kakobrekla i know its all circular, its just a bit upsetting when its right in front of you	[15:57]
ThickAsThieves	like raccoon	[15:57]
mircea_popescu	she's in scotland	[15:58]
moiety	no racoons in scotland!	[15:58]
mircea_popescu	they have raccoons now ?	[15:58]
ThickAsThieves	oh	[15:58]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[15:58]
moiety	:D	[15:58]
moiety	but hey! you stopped me crying lolol	[15:58]
ThickAsThieves	maybe the cat needs a home	[15:59]
Willdude123	ThickAsThieves, is he on here?	[15:59]
ThickAsThieves	will, i dont think so, but he is responsive in his fporum thread	[15:59]
kakobrekla	wtf is this shit now	[16:00]
kakobrekla	supernode changed his name	[16:00]
moiety	im a bit scared to search the garden but i feel i should just in case theres bits i could rebury	[16:00]
kakobrekla	he is now >	[16:00]
kakobrekla	"rpietila, the Vassal of the Mighty Goat"	[16:00]
ThickAsThieves	cats dont leave bits	[16:00]
ThickAsThieves	they transport	[16:00]
mircea_popescu	yeah it probably put the thing's head on a pike somewhere.	[16:01]
ThickAsThieves	it's probablt on the cat owner's steps	[16:01]
kakobrekla	did the chang goat get him or what	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla sort-of old news actually.	[16:02]
kakobrekla	well im out of the loop apparently	[16:02]
moiety	poor wilma :(	[16:02]
ThickAsThieves	nice name	[16:02]
mircea_popescu	why does wilma care whether it's eaten by fungus or mammals ?	[16:03]
moiety	I care. i feel she deerved better	[16:04]
kakobrekla	well, i vouch taht rodents dont care if they are eaten	[16:04]
Willdude123	I wonder if I could somehow time lock my btc. So make it such that I can't touch them for 6 months	[16:04]
moiety	i couldn't bury her for ages you see, I just couldn't do it. so its worse that when i finally managed to bury her, she gets eaten a day later	[16:04]
kakobrekla	Willdude123 there are several ways of doing that	[16:04]
mircea_popescu	Willdude123 yeah. by not touching them for 6 months.	[16:04]
Willdude123	heh	[16:05]
mircea_popescu	moiety ahahaha you're such a twerp.	[16:05]
mircea_popescu	why not ask a day before rather than a day after teh failburial ?	[16:05]
kakobrekla	in some cultures that i didnt bother to remember, they un-bury the dead every few years	[16:06]
kakobrekla	clean the bones up	[16:06]
moiety	i didn't realise it had failed until about 20 minutes agp	[16:06]
kakobrekla	pack it back down.	[16:06]
moiety	ago	[16:06]
mircea_popescu	moiety but it was the first time you did it right ?	[16:06]
mircea_popescu	what made you think you're a qualified undertaker.	[16:06]
moiety	yep	[16:06]
*	mircea_popescu adds citizen undertaking to the list of citizen things with dentistry and banking.	[16:07]
moiety	oh lol not a single thing aside from not having any other option	[16:07]
mircea_popescu	so maybe next time ask the internets before devirginizing.	[16:07]
mircea_popescu	the internets know all.	[16:07]
kakobrekla	Willdude123 its possible to make a tx in such way it will be valid after n time, or just use bitbet.	[16:08]
moiety	yeah I usually am a lot more efficient when not bereaved	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla yeah, like in romania.	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	7 years, wash bones in wine, rebury.	[16:08]
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mircea_popescu	kakobrekla wow that's true... bitbet can lock oyur dough for X time np./	[16:08]
kakobrekla	you know that already.	[16:09]
ThickAsThieves	thats one of the excuses i give myself for betting	[16:09]
kakobrekla	i didnt know romanians do that shit, its retarded.	[16:09]
moiety	only the first 7 mircea_popescu ?	[16:09]
moiety	or every 7?	[16:09]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla well it's done in the east (moldavia), where the retarded romanians live.	[16:09]
mircea_popescu	first 7.	[16:09]
moiety	k, thx	[16:09]
mircea_popescu	i think the next is 42 or 49 or somesuch	[16:10]
ThickAsThieves	however long til the bones are no longer drunk	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	lol	[16:10]
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mircea_popescu	it's actually useful in places where you need to reuse the ground	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	take the bones out, bury someone else.	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	this is practiced extensively, just, you don't know about it.	[16:11]
moiety	you know, there is a park where i usually bury my small pets... im thinking others have probably been uncovered and i just havent seen it...	[16:11]
moiety	mircea_popescu: but don't they go looking ofr the missing (buried) person?	[16:11]
kakobrekla	yes its logical when you need some space, first thing it to come to mind - poke dead people	[16:11]
moiety	for*	[16:11]
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mircea_popescu	moiety who, they ?	[16:11]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla romania is a country with ~20mn people alive and ~150 bn people dead.	[16:11]
ThickAsThieves	romanians leave no witnesses	[16:11]
mircea_popescu	you want the entire country to be a cemetery or something ?	[16:12]
kakobrekla	burn to ashes	[16:12]
kakobrekla	takes less sapce	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	for that matter, visit rome. they have osuaries.	[16:12]
kakobrekla	space	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	how do you think they got THOSE bones ?	[16:12]
kakobrekla	why would you want to look up after rome!?	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	pretty much all xtian monasteries did this.	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	i didn't say you'd want to, just that people do.	[16:12]
moiety	are osuaries those places with the wee slots for peoples remains?	[16:13]
mircea_popescu	;;google santa maria della concezione dei cappuccini	[16:13]
gribble	Santa Maria della Concezione dei Cappuccini - Wikipedia, the free ...: ; Santa Maria della Concezione Crypts \| Atlas Obscura: ; Santa Maria della Concezione - TripAdvisor:	[16:13]
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moiety	ty!	[16:14]
kakobrekla	well, italians have issues.	[16:14]
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moiety	this reminds me of the place in paris	[16:14]
mircea_popescu	;;google douaumont	[16:15]
gribble	Douaumont - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Fort Douaumont - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Douaumont ossuary - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:	[16:15]
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kakobrekla	>The construction work for Fort de Douaumont started in 1885 and the fort was continually reinforced until 1913.	[16:16]
kakobrekla	>and due to French unpreparedness, the fort was easily captured by a small German raiding party.	[16:16]
kakobrekla	#win	[16:16]
mircea_popescu	lol	[16:16]
mircea_popescu	"then it was filled with like 100k skeletons"	[16:16]
moiety	yes! thats the one!	[16:17]
mircea_popescu	moiety douaumont is not in paris, it's at verdun	[16:18]
moiety	it's the catacombs im thinking of	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	and for that matter,	[16:18]
kakobrekla	but but france is in paris	[16:18]
kakobrekla	so it makes it ok!	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	;;google czermna	[16:18]
gribble	Skull Chapel, Czermna - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Czermna, Lesser Poland Voivodeship - Wikipedia, the free ...: ; Kaplica Czaszek: The Chapel of Skulls \| Atlas Obscura:	[16:18]
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moiety	my gosh there is loads of these places	[16:19]
mircea_popescu	toldja.	[16:19]
moiety	quite impressive how neatly they can be stacked	[16:20]
mircea_popescu	moiety you sure you weren't thinking of the actual catacombes de paris ?	[16:21]
moiety	have any of you ever visited any of them?	[16:21]
mircea_popescu	sure.	[16:21]
moiety	i think i was mircea_popescu	[16:21]
moiety	might seem a strange question, but is there a smell to these places? i would imagine there would be	[16:21]
mircea_popescu	not really.	[16:22]
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moiety	apparently you can get lost in the catacombes	[16:23]
davout	moiety: yeah, if you ever go there go with someone who knows	[16:24]
moiety	i really want to but i think i would get creeped at the entrance on my own davout! lol	[16:24]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.552 BTC [+]	[16:24]
moiety	so many things to see in this world, i want eyes on legs	[16:24]
mircea_popescu	moiety chained nude somewhere in the depts of it, where nobody ever goes.	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	there, fixed your nightmares for you.	[16:25]
davout	the catacombs in paris aren't really filled with bones and stuff tho, they were originally places where people would get rocks from, don't know the word in english for it	[16:25]
ThickAsThieves	http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/02/15/bitcoins-largest-exchange-is-dying-heres-why-thats-not-a-problem-for-bitcoin/ <<< if anyone is in the mood to laugh at current WP commenter ignorance	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	davout quarry ?	[16:25]
davout	mircea_popescu: exactly, ty	[16:25]
ozbot	Bitcoin’s largest exchange is dying. Here’s why that’s not a problem for Bitcoin.	[16:25]
moiety	lolol yep, good job mircea, now im thinking on the person that locks the chains scared	[16:26]
davout	so they were originally quarries, and a part of them was used to put bones away when paris cemetaries were getting filled up	[16:26]
moiety	i love that washington post uses wordpress	[16:26]
mircea_popescu	wow, apparently other people had this filled cemeteries problem too!	[16:26]
mircea_popescu	check it out kakobrekla, other countries are like... you know, inhabited	[16:27]
mircea_popescu	with populations and everything.	[16:27]
moiety	lol you have to book your spot here in advance, theres so little space	[16:27]
kakobrekla	sarajevo had the same problem	[16:27]
*	mircea_popescu googles sarajevo	[16:27]
kakobrekla	anyway the problem is that people dont want to burn bodies to ashes	[16:27]
mircea_popescu	Sarajevo (Cyrillic: Сарајево; pronounced [sǎrajɛʋɔ]) is the capital and largest city of Bosnia and Herzegovina, with an estimated population of 291,422	[16:28]
mircea_popescu	fucking epic.	[16:28]
moiety	i would prefer that to rotting in the ground	[16:28]
kakobrekla	well the problem there was war and they were locked in there	[16:28]
kakobrekla	with lotsa bodies	[16:28]
mircea_popescu	yea	[16:29]
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moiety	it's a real shame there just now too	[16:30]
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kakobrekla	yeah	[16:33]
kakobrekla	as someone famous said	[16:33]
kakobrekla	the balkans produce more history than they can consume	[16:33]
mircea_popescu	ha!	[16:33]
mircea_popescu	now that's a good saying.	[16:33]
chetty	http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/02/14/health-department-launches-new-look-for-nyc-branded-condom-larger-kyng-size/	[16:37]
ozbot	Health Department Launches New Look For Branded Condom, Larger Size « CBS New York	[16:37]
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ThickAsThieves	why is the Kyng size smaller looking?	[16:42]
ThickAsThieves	and why the Y?	[16:43]
chetty	I was hoping you guys could explain.	[16:45]
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moiety	is this an extremely poor pr tack??	[16:47]
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moiety	as in everything new york gets NYXX treatment. this is a very bad play on that?	[16:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 78 @ 0.02467669 = 1.9248 BTC [-] {12}	[16:48]
moiety	either waym they just look like kanyedoms	[16:49]
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moiety	who is failcoin on twitter?	[16:55]
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moiety	whoops! http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2014/02/08/national/tepco-no-1-plant-readings-probably-too-low/#.UwIjymJ_us9	[17:02]
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jurov	sigh, what did the world come to	[17:08]
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asciilifeform	'when the king freed [exiled] drakula from the dungeon, he lead him to buda, and gifted to him a house in pest, opposite buda, but to his court not yet permitted him. and then it happened that some fleeing rogue ran into drakula's manor and took refuge there. the pursuers sought the rogue there and found him. then drakula lept up, snatched his sword, ran from his quarters and beheaded the constable who had caug	[17:12]
asciilifeform	ht the rogue - and released the rogue. the other constables took flight, and, when they came to the judge, spoke to him of this. the judge and his horsemen went to the king with complaint of drakula. the king a messenger to drakula, to ask, 'why have you wrought this evil?' he replies thusly, 'no evil have i wrought, but the constable has slaine himself with his own hand: such shall be the demise of any who, li	[17:12]
asciilifeform	ke a rogue, storms into the home of a great lord. had he come to me and spoke reason, i would have found the rogue in my home and either given him up, or asked for his reprieve.' the king was told of this. and he laughed, and marvelled at drakula's approach.'	[17:12]
jurov	nothing unusual	[17:15]
jurov	hungaruan kings always had problems with local warlords	[17:15]
jurov	*hungarian	[17:15]
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jurov	i'd say marvelled is just a bad translation	[17:16]
asciilifeform	try this one on for size then. 'once drakula proclaimed: let it be known throughout all of his lands, that all who are old, or invalid, or diseased, or poor, shall come to him. and so came to him an untold multitude of beggars and vagabonds, awaiting generous alms. he ordered them all brought to a house for this purpose built, and had food and wine brought to them. they feasted amidst great merriment. drakula t	[17:20]
asciilifeform	hen came to them in person, and asked 'what more do you wish?' they answered thusly: 'it is known only to god, lord, and to you: do that which god commands you.' he asked further of them: 'do you wish me to make you happy in this world, wanting for nothing?' they, awaiting from him great generosity, replied in unison, 'yes, we do want, our lord!' and then drakula ordered the house sealed and put to the torch, a	[17:20]
asciilifeform	nd the alms-seekers did burn. and spoke drakula to his nobles thusly, 'do you know why i did this? firstly, let them no more pester people, and let there be no more beggars in my lands, and all shall be wealthy; secondly, i have set them free; let them suffer no more upon this earth from poverty or illness.'	[17:20]
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jurov	and then gets invited to buda by king. poor lady bathory should have known better.	[17:22]
jurov	but she decided to slaughter young girls instead	[17:22]
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deadweasel	;;later tell mircea_popescu no no, I just enjoyed their hometown cuisine with sake, nothing more. hometown cuisine is not a euphemism.	[17:40]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[17:40]
moiety	asciilifeform: i'm going to collect it all together	[17:41]
asciilifeform	moiety: might wanna look for a respectable translation of the whole manuscript.	[17:41]
asciilifeform	i've shat out maybe half, and not especially well.	[17:41]
moiety	i like yours.	[17:42]
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asciilifeform	1486. "Сказание о Дракуле-воеводе." (tale of drakula, the chieftain.)	[17:45]
asciilifeform	(prince? warlord? воевод doesn't translate well.)	[17:45]
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asciilifeform	(for the uninitiated: not to be confused with the fictional 19th c. undead fellow.)	[17:46]
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chetty	asciilifeform: воевод = Governor, but big chief or warlord is probably	[17:53]
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moiety	chetty: so, drakula the big chief?!	[18:03]
moiety	or if written in Hackney, Guv	[18:03]
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mike_c	i guess people either don't think JD is correct, or are just deliberately giving their money away. this guy is firing off 100 bets per minute. i mean, that is just the astoundingly worst way to bet possible.	[18:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13685 @ 0.00087455 = 11.9682 BTC [-] {4}	[18:14]
mike_c	2000 btc wagered in last few hours, and not surprisingly given how he is betting, he is down 23 btc, almost right on EV.	[18:14]
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asciilifeform	chetty: literally, 'he who leads us into battle.' the modern english word 'governor' has rather different connotations.	[18:17]
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asciilifeform	e.g. modern russia fields a ballistic missile titled 'voevod.' can you picture naming a rocket 'governor' ?	[18:18]
ThickAsThieves	Lawsky wants to do an AMA https://twitter.com/BenLawsky/status/435244370510749698	[18:19]
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asciilifeform	and now for something completely different.	[18:47]
asciilifeform	[5760131.063368] bitcoin-msghand[23369]: segfault at 0 ip 000000000048bd21 sp 00007f55d1759800 error 4 in bitcoind[400000+303000]	[18:47]
bones`	no more drakula? I was enjoying that	[18:47]
asciilifeform	third time in the past year or so.	[18:47]
asciilifeform	and always at 0x48bd21, too.	[18:48]
asciilifeform	this being the 'reference client'	[18:48]
asciilifeform	on a 64-bit linux box.	[18:49]
asciilifeform	crash, evidently, is in 'ThreadMessageHandler'	[18:49]
asciilifeform	https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/net.cpp	[18:49]
asciilifeform	gentlemen start your engines.	[18:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 610 @ 0.0002305 = 0.1406 BTC [-] {5}	[18:51]
ThickAsThieves	i'm too ignorant to know what this means	[18:52]
ThickAsThieves	halp?	[18:52]
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mike_c	oh no. that's a lot of globals..	[18:53]
asciilifeform	ThickAsThieves: it means a potentially-exploitable boojum.	[18:53]
asciilifeform	in the reference client.	[18:53]
asciilifeform	(bitcoind)	[18:53]
asciilifeform	probably naturally-occurring crash, given as the canary coin that lives on that box is still present.	[18:54]
jurov	interesting. i never had such crash, and running it 24/7 too	[18:56]
asciilifeform	also 24/7.	[18:56]
asciilifeform	3 of these in the past 16 months or so.	[18:57]
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mike_c	without having a repo, it doesn't seem hard to crash this if a null node gets in the node vector.	[18:57]
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jurov	it is the same address despite there were updates?	[18:57]
jurov	or running some old version?	[18:58]
asciilifeform	only got dumps for the last 2 times,	[18:58]
mike_c	do you have symbols? I bet on this line: if (pnode->fDisconnect)	[18:58]
asciilifeform	version 0.8.6	[18:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.54346587 BTC to 1`921 shares, 80347 satoshi per share	[18:59]
asciilifeform	no symbols.	[18:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13554 @ 0.00087358 = 11.8405 BTC [-] {2}	[19:00]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] [PAID] 46.37370840 BTC to 1`921 shares, 2414040 satoshi per share	[19:01]
mike_c	you have the code though, right? you could build symbols and use them to analyze the dump	[19:01]
mike_c	i mean, you know, if you didn't have anything else to do	[19:02]
asciilifeform	haha	[19:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 100 @ 0.00494209 = 0.4942 BTC [-] {8}	[19:02]
mike_c	i'm not going to look at that code anymore because I will have to renege on everything i said the other day and agree that a new reference build is high priority.	[19:03]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.11149999 = 0.7805 BTC [-] {3}	[19:03]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2500 @ 0.00022801 = 0.57 BTC [-] {9}	[19:04]
asciilifeform	if bitcoind were written in common lisp or an equivalent (?) system, i'd be looking at an exact, human-readable and resumable-on-repair (!) halted daemon right now.	[19:05]
asciilifeform	see http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?CommonLispConditionSystem	[19:05]
asciilifeform	(and http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Common_Lisp/Advanced_topics/Condition_System)	[19:06]
mike_c	you can edit-and-continue with some c++ debuggers. it even works 30% of the time.	[19:06]
asciilifeform	haha	[19:06]
asciilifeform	that's like welding a torn hair back together. sure, it's possible...	[19:07]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 45 @ 0.16230094 = 7.3035 BTC [-]	[19:12]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]	[19:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.09500001 = 0.285 BTC [-] {3}	[19:13]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.095 = 1.045 BTC [-]	[19:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.16230094 = 1.2984 BTC [-]	[19:15]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.095 = 0.855 BTC [-]	[19:15]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.067 = 0.134 BTC [+]	[19:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.0002256 = 0.2256 BTC [-] {6}	[19:19]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.00087424 = 13.6381 BTC [+]	[19:24]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 33 @ 0.16230094 = 5.3559 BTC [-]	[19:26]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 866 @ 0.000225 = 0.1949 BTC [-] {2}	[19:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.02421 = 0.1453 BTC [-] {2}	[19:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.0634 = 0.951 BTC [-] {5}	[19:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.096 = 0.288 BTC [+] {2}	[19:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 18 @ 0.062 = 1.116 BTC [-] {2}	[19:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.09386249 = 1.1263 BTC [-] {5}	[19:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 72 @ 0.16230094 = 11.6857 BTC [-]	[19:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 37432 @ 0.00021764 = 8.1467 BTC [-] {16}	[19:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 72 @ 0.062 = 4.464 BTC [-]	[19:39]
cads	ahaha	[19:41]
cads	hey asciilifeform, so you were translating those stories from earlier?	[19:41]
asciilifeform	cads: yeah	[19:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.0735 = 1.1025 BTC [+]	[19:41]
cads	Where from? They were pretty good.	[19:42]
cads	It wasn't romanin, was it?	[19:42]
asciilifeform	nope	[19:42]
cads	darn	[19:42]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2014#511321	[19:42]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[19:42]
asciilifeform	(scroll up for 2 more.)	[19:42]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9600 @ 0.00021515 = 2.0654 BTC [-] {2}	[19:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 600 @ 0.00020689 = 0.1241 BTC [-] {5}	[19:47]
cads	haha, nice	[19:47]
cads	hey, so you guys think mt gox has earned too many strikes to keep playing?	[19:48]
cads	or has it just fallen into second place	[19:48]
mike_c	goxbux are worth less than 0.5 btc now..	[19:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9827 @ 0.00019425 = 1.9089 BTC [-] {10}	[19:50]
cads	what do you mean, it seems like if you had 300 dollars in a gox account now you could buy coin and jump out	[19:51]
ThickAsThieves	except you cant	[19:52]
cads	oh, right, that's what 'halted withdrawals' means	[19:53]
ThickAsThieves	if you are maybe lucky you can maybe jump out on Thursday	[19:53]
cads	woo	[19:53]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18450 @ 0.00087389 = 16.1233 BTC [-]	[19:54]
cads	this is like a full speed freight train that's been magically teleported 2 miles up into the sky	[19:54]
cads	above a residential area :)	[19:54]
cads	hurling wreckage	[19:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.092 = 0.276 BTC [-]	[19:56]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.0001906 = 1.906 BTC [-] {3}	[19:59]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.064 = 0.384 BTC [+]	[20:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0965 = 0.193 BTC [+] {2}	[20:01]
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asciilifeform	does anyone here have more than a 'purely zoological' interest in what happens to gox?	[20:04]
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asciilifeform	because i sure don't.	[20:04]
mike_c	i think we all do in the same way we had an interest in SR failing. good for btc.	[20:05]
asciilifeform	one chump magnet dies, another takes its place.	[20:05]
asciilifeform	or ten others.	[20:05]
deadweasel	the dodo told everyone it could fly, when in fact it had never even sold a magic card...	[20:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.064 = 0.128 BTC [+]	[20:06]
jurov	you think anyone here will admit it has something there?	[20:06]
asciilifeform	i'll extend mp's thesis and conjecture that it died from, rather than in spite, of, the mountain of free advertising in u.s. mouthpiece media 'mtgox, the largest exchange, today, ... etc'	[20:07]
asciilifeform	do herds of chumps bring into existence chumpmeisters, or the other way around?	[20:08]
mike_c	well, it died from incompetence. herds of chumps is the only reason we are talking about them.	[20:08]
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jurov	does anyone have a competence growing btc/fiat exchange	[20:10]
jurov	from 0 to 100000 users in few years?	[20:10]
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jurov	i guess much better people than karpeles would get burned	[20:11]
asciilifeform	when you get 100,000 users, does satan appear before you and command you to 'take the exchange fractional' ?	[20:11]
jurov	they would still have to deal with banks. and they can be worse than satan.	[20:12]
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asciilifeform	hence the question of whether an honest btc/fiat exchange is possible even in principle, without the cooperation of a sovereign.	[20:12]
mike_c	jurov, 0 -> 100k in a few years isn't that hard with appropriate resources (which they had)	[20:13]
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mike_c	well, they had monetary resources. not talent resources.	[20:13]
asciilifeform	i think the implication might have been that 100k users turns you into a 'person of interest' for the vultures	[20:13]
asciilifeform	and then 'you can also have problems.'	[20:13]
jurov	dunno if sovereign changes anything. vatican supposedly has banned all electronic money transfers	[20:14]
jurov	*is banned from	[20:14]
wao-ender	is it? v0v, didnt know	[20:15]
jurov	nto even tourists can use ATMs there last time i heard	[20:15]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.098 = 0.196 BTC [+]	[20:16]
mike_c	second market is legally & reliably exchanging bitcoin. who needs an exchange for HFT quants? nobody.	[20:16]
jurov	what is second market?	[20:17]
mike_c	http://www.bitcointrust.co/	[20:17]
wao-ender	jurov: https://www.secondmarket.com/company/bitcoin-investment-trust	[20:17]
ThickAsThieves	https://www.secondmarket.com/	[20:17]
ThickAsThieves	bleh	[20:17]
ozbot	SecondMarket - Simplified Transactions for Private Companies and Funds.	[20:17]
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asciilifeform	mike_c: trololol	[20:18]
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mike_c	what? you disagree?	[20:18]
jurov	that does not look like something for retail	[20:19]
mike_c	it's not. $25k minimum.	[20:19]
copumpkin	well	[20:21]
copumpkin	and accredited investor	[20:21]
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copumpkin	which is uncommon	[20:21]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4931 @ 0.00087455 = 4.3124 BTC [+] {2}	[20:21]
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copumpkin	also, those fees are ridiculous	[20:21]
mike_c	as opposed to gox's "we keep your bitcoin" fee :)	[20:21]
copumpkin	no, as opposed to buy your own coins and sit on them	[20:22]
jurov	ok, but we were talking about building exchange for 100k chumps	[20:22]
copumpkin	and pay no fees	[20:22]
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copumpkin	and also, lots of people have $25k who aren't accredited investors	[20:22]
mike_c	well, i guess i'm saying an exchange defined as "hft enabled" is not necessary. just a place to buy/sell.	[20:22]
asciilifeform	the other crap aside, a service where you do not get to take btc 'home' at the end of the day ought not to be called a btc exchange.	[20:23]
asciilifeform	call it something else.	[20:23]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 13 @ 0.09384531 = 1.22 BTC [+] {6}	[20:23]
mircea_popescu	A bug in Google's Chrome web browser enables malicious websites to activate your microphone and spy on conversations that happen next to your computer, even after you've left the website.	[20:23]
mircea_popescu	o yeah, using a browser made by a search engine was such a brilliant idea.	[20:24]
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asciilifeform	lol	[20:24]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: little bug closer to home: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2014#511355	[20:24]
asciilifeform	when using a machine with hardwired cameras/microcrophones/anal probes, always smile and speak very politely.	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform voievode, whats wrong with that ?	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	gotta allow at least some of the ingredients' flavour into the finished dish.	[20:27]
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asciilifeform	haha	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	mike_c there's always been (since inception) a set of people who believed it is thus exploitable.	[20:27]
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mircea_popescu	whether this is like the set who still believes the ufos have landed or moreover like the set that does government's banking is hard to say	[20:28]
mike_c	well, this guy just spent 50 btc looking. he hasn't found it yet :)	[20:28]
asciilifeform	btc can be sent to look for vulns on its own? that's news to me.	[20:28]
asciilifeform	had no idea.	[20:28]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform actually that'd be duke, dux in the latin space.	[20:28]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: exactly.	[20:29]
asciilifeform	perhaps btc also knows how to bake cakes.	[20:29]
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mike_c	spent. with a P.	[20:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.0735 = 1.323 BTC [+]	[20:29]
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asciilifeform	it is very easy to spend MAXINT coin, dollars, walnuts, etc. with no result.	[20:30]
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mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/435481204867866624 :D	[20:30]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you got some old/bad libraries. i have a reference running since 2011 that never crashed.	[20:31]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.099 = 0.198 BTC [+]	[20:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7855 @ 0.00087531 = 6.8756 BTC [+] {2}	[20:31]
mircea_popescu	lol @mike_c . head in sand eh ?	[20:31]
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mike_c	buried.	[20:31]
asciilifeform	this is a box devoted to running the 'current' branch.	[20:32]
asciilifeform	with updated libs, etc.	[20:32]
mircea_popescu	cads> or has it just fallen into second place << the "it may continue in 2nd place" was april 2013.	[20:32]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 96 @ 0.00516082 = 0.4954 BTC [-] {10}	[20:32]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.099 = 0.297 BTC [+]	[20:32]
mircea_popescu	or ten others. << ten are better than one. like phone numbers.	[20:32]
kakobrekla	as long as its over mininum	[20:33]
mircea_popescu	mike_c> (which they had) << this is arguyable. the thing run in the red for most of its lifetime, and in a dubious field. they always had trouble finding investors, and the investors they did find were mostly of the imbecile sort. if you want i can dig up the trilema discussion re investors and why they suck, but you'll end up with more shit to translate as a result.	[20:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3946 @ 0.00087389 = 3.4484 BTC [-]	[20:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00510478 = 0.2042 BTC [-] {2}	[20:34]
mike_c	it just doesn't take that much capital to scale to 100k. one good engineer is sufficient given the timeframe.	[20:35]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i never heard of anyone running a current branch of anything that didn't crash.	[20:35]
mircea_popescu	what drakula'd do to the so called "programmers' doing this is left as an exercise to the current voievodes.	[20:36]
midnightmagic	mikaeldice mike_c mircea_popescu mius mixdio	[20:36]
midnightmagic	mikaeldice mike_c mircea_popescu mius mixdio	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	mike_c yeah, just like linux is sufficient for hijacking nuclear warheads in flight.	[20:36]
asciilifeform	imho gilged stake is too good for these folks.	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	maybe spiked stake.	[20:37]
mircea_popescu	http://www.polythene-sheeting-and-tarpaulins.com/acatalog/5inchbarb.jpg	[20:37]
asciilifeform	by some accounts, spikes (well, splinters) were considered a mercy, and used in extenuating circumstances, while grease on a smooth stake was used in aggravating ones.	[20:38]
asciilifeform	(unfortunately lack the 'citation needed' here)	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	this is possibly true.	[20:38]
asciilifeform	i suggest 'teflon' for the case at hand.	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	while i slept i dreamt about these two womenz having an argument which ended by leaving the other tied to a tree in the wild somewhere with her rectum stretch-filled with fresh mud.	[20:39]
asciilifeform	bonus of easier cleaning	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	the reasoning being that the shit'll dry and that's that.	[20:39]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.064 = 0.128 BTC [+]	[20:40]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: if i recall, one of danzig baldaev's comics had this exact scene in it.	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	it did ?	[20:43]
asciilifeform	(he is often said to have spiced things up a bit. so take with a grain of salt.)	[20:43]
mircea_popescu	mebbe i should check out this thing then	[20:43]
asciilifeform	https://www.google.com/search?q=danzig+baldaev&source=lnms&tbm=isch	[20:43]
asciilifeform	if anybody has a warez copy of the whole 130+ set, drop it here.	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	da fuck is lnms and isch btw ? google couldn't just put a ?t=pix or some shit like normal people.	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	o no. gotta be isch and derpyderp and etc.	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	o wait this is the camp guard that documented the tattoos is he ?	[20:45]
asciilifeform	not only tattoos	[20:45]
asciilifeform	a real hieronymous bosch, this fellow.	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	http://observatory.designobserver.com/media/images/Pic4_women.jpg	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	look at that, the maddona-whore complex, in russian.	[20:45]
asciilifeform	SOP.	[20:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 318 @ 0.00083559 = 0.2657 BTC [-]	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	this has got to be marginal, is it ?	[20:46]
asciilifeform	http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_TnAcMqiBxug/TNrnuS_wugI/AAAAAAAAWnU/VA7gQGvFpGc/s1600/File0007.jpg	[20:47]
asciilifeform	'i am an english, french, american, japanese, italian, german, and some other kind of spy...'	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[20:48]
asciilifeform	http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61ZVAeJ9qUL.jpg	[20:48]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform re the women specifically, is that nonsense a mainstream representation afayk ?	[20:48]
mircea_popescu	seems to me more like an import.	[20:48]
asciilifeform	depends, 'mainstream'	[20:48]
mircea_popescu	myeah.	[20:48]
asciilifeform	'the slaying by a convict of a 'bullock' during an escape from camp.'	[20:48]
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asciilifeform	'convicts, during escapes from far nothern camps of gulag lured with them (due to the impossibility of gathering adequate provisions while imprisoned) other inmates, who would be killed en route. such victims of cannibalism were known in convict argot as 'bullocks.' how many 'bullocks' were eaten up, is unknown.'	[20:49]
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mircea_popescu	more interesting, how many troops of bullocks successfully took over the escape and ate the smartasses.	[20:51]
asciilifeform	never know who the bullock is until, well, bullock time	[20:51]
mircea_popescu	because without a 50-50 distribution cads mat has damned serious problems enacting his imagined polity into reality.	[20:51]
mircea_popescu	mat stands, of course, for may. rather than cunt.	[20:51]
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mircea_popescu	i wonder if the old "each table has a sucker or it wouldn't be a table. if you don't know who then well..." into a "each escape has its bullocks, and upon the eating of the first one you'll know whether you count with him by whether you're invited to dine."	[20:53]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: found your dream's woman. (warning to folks with weak nerves - medieval/inquisitory!) http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WPS03cv5PlA/T6QfShY0W6I/AAAAAAAABAE/Ekx87gH6pXA/s1600/BaldaevGulag20_.jpg	[20:53]
mircea_popescu	not so by an ymeans.	[20:53]
mircea_popescu	atm trying to discern if indeed the left side girl in the earlier pic is or only resembles.	[20:54]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform what's the caption say ? my russian is too sucky.	[20:58]
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asciilifeform	which one?	[21:00]
asciilifeform	ant girl?	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	yeah	[21:01]
asciilifeform	'some demented people in gulag during the years of the cult, for their amusement, would select women from the contigent of 'enemies of the people' and for 'some sin' sit them down upon anthills.' bottom: 'young women who refused to become lovers of their executioners in gulag would be sat upon anthills, tied to trees, 'for the mosquitoes and ants.' sometimes a pipe would be inserted, made from a reed or a birc	[21:02]
asciilifeform	h 'flute', a rolled up tube for the ease of entry of ants. to the legs would be tied a 'spreader stick.' often the executioners were helped by female 'vor' ['thief-in-law'] inmates.'	[21:02]
asciilifeform	baldaev got quite a lot of shit for these, many folks insisted that he simply drew his fantasies (during his employment as a prison guard)	[21:03]
asciilifeform	the compendium is now a best-seller.	[21:04]
asciilifeform	incl. in american bookstores.	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	oic	[21:05]
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mircea_popescu	many folks = the anthropologically challenged.	[21:05]
asciilifeform	some scenes are a little bit stretching historical credibility, like this slave ship loading: http://cs409231.vk.me/v409231196/594d/FWKahJoz4aM.jpg	[21:06]
mircea_popescu	врагов enemies rather than devils	[21:06]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform actually, the allies used that principle in places during the dunkirk rescue.	[21:07]
mircea_popescu	wild times.	[21:07]
asciilifeform	caption notes that 'nets were eventually replaced with cages holding fifty men, due to high rates of trauma.'	[21:07]
mircea_popescu	when it's a case of "got five hours to get as many men on the boat as you can, and whoever's left gets to meet herr drakula"... trauma starts looking like cake.	[21:10]
Apocalyptic	for anyone interested the ATC ticker is up @ https://www.x-bt.com/api/atcbtc/get_ticker	[21:11]
asciilifeform	here, author is almost certainly satisfying his own desires: http://actualhistory.ru/app/var/pub/files/86/41776_image_large.jpg	[21:11]
asciilifeform	(i could translate caption but it's more or less self-explanatory)	[21:12]
mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic add some vwap stuff to it ?	[21:12]
kakobrekla	and vol	[21:12]
Apocalyptic	mircea_popescu, added on my todo list	[21:12]
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asciilifeform	rectomurine cryptoanalysis.	[21:12]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform lol, momsoup ?	[21:13]
mircea_popescu	so why "almost certainly" ?	[21:13]
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asciilifeform	'in one cellar...' '...tire pump, soldering iron, bottle, ... rat, bucket on hotplate.'	[21:13]
mircea_popescu	the objection being that such a diverse collection of items could not be found in the same one cellar ?	[21:14]
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asciilifeform	no serious objection on my part, just that the author has a reputation as a teller of embellished tales.	[21:15]
asciilifeform	a herodotus of sorts.	[21:15]
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mircea_popescu	but was this reputation been built by reddit or by vory.	[21:17]
asciilifeform	hard to say. plenty of folks wrote that 'i did time, saw no such things'	[21:18]
asciilifeform	as you might expect.	[21:18]
mircea_popescu	right.	[21:18]
mircea_popescu	many women could say "i've been around the block, there's no mp"	[21:18]
mircea_popescu	especially to their mothers.	[21:18]
asciilifeform	many arguments were against the 'political' slant of the book, rather than the facts. 'some english chick is sitting on a rat pot right now, but where's the book, hah.'	[21:19]
mircea_popescu	i doubt she is, tbh.	[21:20]
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mircea_popescu	the main problem of the west is impotence.	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	what was cat again ? thief ?	[21:20]
asciilifeform	recidivist.	[21:20]
asciilifeform	russian blogger, circa '04: 'have you ever beaten a man? had you done so, you would know that it is hard work. no less arduous than turning a meat-grinder. how often do you wake up to the urge to crank a meat-grinder? every day?'	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	"many english girls will have their cute recidivist tattoos fed to them should they ever end up in kresty	[21:21]
punkman	cat is thief, goat is snitch	[21:21]
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mircea_popescu	punkman there's some ethnic and geographic variation to it.	[21:21]
asciilifeform	historians divide the tats into two basic types, 'voluntary' and 'forcible.'	[21:21]
punkman	well yeah, you wouldn't tattoo snitch on your forehead	[21:22]
asciilifeform	ex. of the latter: a devil stoking a furnace (drawn around actual arse, it being the furnace)	[21:22]
punkman	heh	[21:23]
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asciilifeform	anyone interested in this subject can find all the reading material he wishes.	[21:23]
punkman	I got a couple books with tattoos, these russian books seem like a good addition	[21:24]
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asciilifeform	by some accounts, the old traditions have died, and the days when a man would be severely punished for an 'unearned' tattoo are gone.	[21:25]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform re the meatgrinder thing ; it's well documented that people doing time get bored.	[21:25]
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asciilifeform	right	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	if you had the option of running on a stairmaster or turning the meat grinder, what'd you take ?	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	and incidentally : http://www.velona.com/about/chris3.html	[21:26]
asciilifeform	the man i quoted re: the meatgrinder was employed as a detective embedded in a prison, in what was then leningrad. he had an interesting take: much of what the rubes think of as 'the cruelty' was simply administration of justice among the convicts	[21:27]
asciilifeform	for real, as well as imagines, slights.	[21:27]
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mircea_popescu	this would be true.	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	as best one can discern anyway.	[21:28]
asciilifeform	the most mortal sin was, as one might expect, snitching, followed by welching on debts.	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-iXSddXHNoPg/TbxlRoB9dTI/AAAAAAAAAHk/CT0fRQTE0fo/s1600/lifeingulag-53%255B1%255D.jpg	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	i'd say that's the most improbable of the lot, actually.	[21:29]
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asciilifeform	how's that	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	completely contradicts all notions of ritual purity. they'd have cut his head outside and behind	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	(ie, not by the door, by the opposite wall)	[21:30]
asciilifeform	this one is actually plausible. may be taking place in a barrack belonging to 'lower order' convicts	[21:30]
asciilifeform	(that is, 'political' types)	[21:30]
asciilifeform	cleanup left for them.	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	or like that i guess.	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	tho the people look comfortable	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	ie, not like they're visiting.	[21:30]
asciilifeform	true.	[21:31]
mircea_popescu	it's little things like that that grate. otherwise arguing against the message...	[21:31]
mircea_popescu	hard tack.	[21:31]
mircea_popescu	http://www.freebook.com.br/Imagens/produtos/28/9780955006128/9780955006128_Detalhes1.jpg < wtf is the fucking thinking here.	[21:31]
mircea_popescu	i'll show you i'm a convicted whore but hide my nipples and wear a slip!	[21:31]
asciilifeform	http://img15.nnm.me/7/b/8/5/d/8d654b1e70e9d5e656fcfb5dfbf.jpg	[21:32]
asciilifeform	'when we clean out his starfish, quickly he'll remember how he undermined soviet power and the party in his research institute with his cybernetics, this scoundrel...'	[21:32]
mircea_popescu	lol	[21:33]
asciilifeform	this one's pushing it a bit	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	i agree.	[21:33]
asciilifeform	not because of the red hot poker, either.	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	this seems more like prospective than descriptive	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	if i may be pardoned the pun	[21:33]
asciilifeform	incidentally, few modern armchair generals seem to know that the forbidden 'cybernetics' had nothing to do with the construction of calculating machines	[21:34]
asciilifeform	but rather the glass bead game pushed by half-educated fans of norbert wiener & co. at the time.	[21:34]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform it COULD have had something to do with calculating machines	[21:36]
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mircea_popescu	or with breaking up the rain pattern	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	or with giving stalin colics.	[21:36]
asciilifeform	we may yet live to see boschean marvels like this one drawn about modern folks.	[21:36]
asciilifeform	and sold in 'history for kidz' sections of trendoid bookstores.	[21:36]
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asciilifeform	where i in fact saw baldaev.	[21:37]
mircea_popescu	sukas are modern, certainly.	[21:37]
mircea_popescu	when's your modernity start, last week ?!	[21:37]
asciilifeform	timeless.	[21:38]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: but as you observed, the age of the impotent. whose doings perhaps will not make for good pictures.	[21:38]
mircea_popescu	impotence never lasts.	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	it's a self-limiting condition.	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	there's only so much occupy bs the girls can put up with before eviscerating the doofus troop with their bare hands.	[21:40]
asciilifeform	then, pictures.	[21:42]
asciilifeform	but not before.	[21:42]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0735 = 0.735 BTC [+]	[21:42]
mircea_popescu	true, that.	[21:42]
mircea_popescu	i would guess your gb worth of footage is by and large worthless. curb your enthusiasm level.	[21:43]
asciilifeform	it certianly is.	[21:43]
asciilifeform	hence, not posted anywhere.	[21:43]
mircea_popescu	myeah.	[21:43]
Mats_cd03	dongs	[21:44]
mircea_popescu	then again : http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/60/《喜溢秋庭图》静贵妃部分.jpg	[21:44]
mircea_popescu	derpage abounds in history.	[21:45]
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mircea_popescu	and from the same period : http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8f/《玫贵妃春贵人行乐图》.jpg	[21:46]
mircea_popescu	who the fuck would want two concubines dressed in exactly the same cut out of slightly different colored material but otherwise same textile,	[21:46]
mircea_popescu	with identical earrings outside of minor variations	[21:47]
mircea_popescu	and equally stupid hats.	[21:47]
mircea_popescu	clearly there's no cock involved in this entire thing at any juncture.	[21:47]
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asciilifeform	in an account of turkish concubines, a venetian envoy noted that cucumbers were served to them pre-sliced...	[21:48]
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Mats_cd03	thats my fetish	[21:48]
mircea_popescu	well yeah... ?	[21:48]
mircea_popescu	i had lunch today, the salad had cucumbers, they were pre sliced	[21:49]
asciilifeform	well, noted specifically that they were permitted through the gate only upon slicing.	[21:49]
mircea_popescu	oh	[21:50]
mircea_popescu	do you suppose the concern was they may enjoy them through both ends of the digestive canal	[21:50]
mircea_popescu	or that they may contraband unapproved earrings in them, much to the anger and envy of all the other bored womenz ?	[21:50]
asciilifeform	presumably	[21:50]
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mircea_popescu	incidentally, how many people know of the war debt carusel in the context of the 1929 crisis ?	[22:01]
mircea_popescu	as in, all through the war the british were sucking captial out of the us, first in the form of cashing out their massive investments, then in the shape of borrowing.	[22:01]
mircea_popescu	this was being repaid after the war, principally from german reparations, which principally consisted of us loans to germany.	[22:02]
mircea_popescu	the entire thing ended in the 30s as perhaps the first major fiasco of the government-owned financial system.	[22:02]
asciilifeform	arse-mouth system.	[22:02]
asciilifeform	i though everybody knew.	[22:02]
asciilifeform	*thought	[22:03]
mircea_popescu	well, that's the problem with ww1, for the first time in history governments became a majority of the gdp,	[22:03]
mircea_popescu	basically the bolsheviks won anyway.	[22:03]
mircea_popescu	but anyway, we're talking 10 to 20 1930 bn dollars worth here.	[22:03]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 30 @ 0.09999995 = 3 BTC [+] {5}	[22:05]
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mircea_popescu	that'd be roughly 30 to 50 or so thousand tons of gold, at the time	[22:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1200 @ 0.00087393 = 1.0487 BTC [-]	[22:06]
asciilifeform	ww1 zapped the wealth, the rest, funny bookkeeping to cover for it	[22:06]
mircea_popescu	i wonder if germany is/will be told "fu, we're keeping the gold cause ww1"	[22:07]
asciilifeform	(not like they could've brought it back)	[22:07]
asciilifeform	gold for safekeeping, haha	[22:07]
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asciilifeform	stalin, during famous party plenum, re: spanish civil war gold:	[22:07]
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asciilifeform	'these fellows won't see it again like they won't see their ears [without mirror].]	[22:07]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform romania sent about a billion trillion tons of gold and shit back when russia was run by the tsar (and close ally / relative of the romanian king)	[22:11]
mircea_popescu	quoty Kosighin "what gold ? we have never heard of such a gold"	[22:11]
mircea_popescu	quoth birladeanu "here's in the soviet archives lenin recorded speaking of it"	[22:12]
mircea_popescu	"o... hm.... uhhhh"	[22:12]
mircea_popescu	the next day "clearly, you misunderstood something"	[22:12]
mircea_popescu	"the whites took it"	[22:12]
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mircea_popescu	http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2023140,00.html < economic crisis starts sort-of just as germany is done paying its 1953-reinstated, ww1 bonds.	[22:17]
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ozbot	How Germany Ended Its World War I Reparations Payments - TIME	[22:18]
mike_c	more JD stats you are all dying to know: ROI on money invested last July and left alone since then: 14.5%	[22:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 12 @ 0.16230094 = 1.9476 BTC [-]	[22:18]
jurov	lol and did you hear what italy just did?	[22:18]
mircea_popescu	jurov ayup.	[22:18]
mircea_popescu	mike_c whoa.	[22:19]
kakobrekla	is not bad	[22:19]
jurov	http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-16/money-launderer-until-proven-innocent-italy-imposes-20-tax-withholding-all-inbound-m	[22:19]
mircea_popescu	that is actually the most suspicious thing from all you've dug up so far.	[22:19]
mike_c	hehe	[22:19]
asciilifeform	why not 100%.	[22:19]
ozbot	"Money Launderer Until Proven Innocent" - Italy Imposes 20% Tax Withholding On All Inbound Money Tra	[22:19]
jurov	but it needs better source, it's based only on google translate	[22:19]
kakobrekla	why is it suspect	[22:19]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla because it matches other numbers	[22:20]
asciilifeform	what's the laffer curve for dekulakization anyway.	[22:20]
kakobrekla	ah you are trolling.	[22:20]
mircea_popescu	i r srs.	[22:20]
mike_c	that's an exclusive. nobody else haz that data	[22:20]
davout	greetings asseteers	[22:20]
kakobrekla	lol	[22:20]
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mircea_popescu	heya davoutee	[22:21]
kakobrekla	mike_c exclusive is what asseteers are about, we exclude.	[22:21]
mike_c	except we publish the logs. gotta fix that.	[22:21]
kakobrekla	myea	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	nah, gotta keep publishing the logs to be just like the paris club or w/e.	[22:22]
kakobrekla	fuck the logs, carpe diem, sieze the day, miss it, fuck you.	[22:23]
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mircea_popescu	In 1924, an American banker named Charles Dawes outlined what came to be known as the Dawes Plan — a new reparations agreement under which U.S. banks such as J.P. Morgan issued bonds to private investors on behalf of Germany, which agreed to pay them back when the money became due. Dawes won the 1925 Nobel Peace Prize for his work on this plan. But when the first batch of bonds came due in 1928, Germany again default	[22:24]
mircea_popescu	ed. So in June 1929, a new plan was enacted, floating more U.S.-backed bonds and reducing Germany's payments to $28 billion paid out over 59 years.	[22:24]
r3wt	How do i join the WOT	[22:24]
mircea_popescu	totally worth a nobel prize for going "hey guise, wouldn't it be better if we ipo that shit ???"	[22:24]
r3wt	for ATC	[22:24]
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mircea_popescu	r3wt hi there.	[22:24]
mircea_popescu	;;help	[22:24]
gribble	The bot responds when you start a line with the ! character. A good starting point for exploring the bot is the !facts command. You can also visit the bot's website for a list of help topics and documentation: http://gribble.sourceforge.net/	[22:24]
jurov	http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Using_bitcoin-otc	[22:24]
ozbot	Using bitcoin-otc - bitcoin-otc wiki	[22:24]
jurov	^ r3wt	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	that prolly better.	[22:25]
kakobrekla	and if that is too much you can noob it out with ;;google bitcoin otc youtube	[22:25]
kakobrekla	or some shit	[22:25]
r3wt	jurov: thank you much my friend	[22:25]
r3wt	i was invited to join the WOT, i had never heard of it before now	[22:26]
mircea_popescu	gotta be in the wot.	[22:26]
r3wt	i was told to come here	[22:26]
mircea_popescu	which nobel prize story inspires me. shouldn't we have a yearly prize of some sort for some thing ?	[22:26]
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kakobrekla	you came to the right church.	[22:26]
mircea_popescu	the #bitcoin-assets economic prize of economy ?	[22:27]
Apocalyptic	r3wt, I hear some people are waiting 2 days, maybe even more for withdrawals from openex, what's wrong ?	[22:27]
davout	kakobrekla: mass is in french	[22:27]
kakobrekla	mircea_popescu i think you would have hard time finding the nominees	[22:27]
asciilifeform	if people want to hand out prizes for whatever, nothing's stopping them?	[22:28]
r3wt	Nothings wrong. i registered the llc and some of the staff didn't want to abide by the legal requirements and left. i've been afk, so withdrawals tend to pile up with no one to confirm them	[22:28]
benkay	14.5% on jd investments eh?	[22:28]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform kakobrekla no but hear me out :	[22:28]
r3wt	other than Dogecoin everything is good	[22:28]
mircea_popescu	we collect a pot by donation, whoever wants to contribute. then the pot is on a fixed date distributed to one recipient.	[22:29]
mike_c	benkay: yeah. not bad for 7 months.	[22:29]
r3wt	but i'm not saying its not my fault because it sort of all falls on me in the end	[22:29]
mircea_popescu	all we need is to agree on some gross criteria, then people construct a nominee list and all contributors vote on it	[22:29]
mircea_popescu	proportional to their contribution.	[22:29]
mircea_popescu	open source nobel prize.	[22:29]
r3wt	just try to understand where i'm coming from if you can	[22:29]
mike_c	wouldn't that recipient have already amassed quite a sum by doing whatever he won the prize for?	[22:29]
mike_c	we're not exactly acadmeics here	[22:29]
mircea_popescu	r3wt well being here works wonders to defuse such tension.	[22:29]
mike_c	hehe. academics	[22:29]
mircea_popescu	otherwise people get antsy	[22:29]
midnightmagic	mikaeldice mike_c mircea_popescu mius mixdio	[22:29]
midnightmagic	mikaeldice mike_c mircea_popescu mius mixdio	[22:29]
mircea_popescu	mike_c you say that like it's a bad thing.	[22:30]
r3wt	we do have something very cool in the works. i'm sure no one will see it coming either.	[22:30]
mike_c	i don't! point being that the prize would be dwarfed by the recipients already worthy rewards from winning in the marketplace.	[22:30]
mod6	are you from openex, r3wt?	[22:30]
r3wt	mod6: yes sir	[22:30]
mircea_popescu	this is supposed to work so as to humble the nobel idiocy, not necessarily as to make the recipient rich.	[22:30]
mod6	ahh ok. ima pm u.	[22:30]
r3wt	you can tell me why im here?	[22:30]
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mircea_popescu	after all, someone winning the nobel prize for actual merit is already independently well paid anyway.	[22:31]
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mircea_popescu	take obama, he's not rich because he melted down the peace gold medal, he's rich because he bleed dry a quarter billion idiots.	[22:31]
mike_c	and he writes good books	[22:31]
mircea_popescu	definitely.	[22:31]
mircea_popescu	i don't remember seeing such penmanship since britney spears bio	[22:32]
mircea_popescu	aptly titled "stakes"	[22:32]
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Mats_cd03	merr	[22:32]
mircea_popescu	so looking in the deep of the deepest of your soul!! and such, what would be the criteria one'd actually meet you'd respect	[22:32]
mircea_popescu	for their economics contributions.	[22:33]
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kakobrekla	if anyone can vote to according to their btc deposit weight then we can end up with completely different game where mp always wins.	[22:34]
mircea_popescu	i wouldn't deposit so much as to fuck things up	[22:34]
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kakobrekla	how much is that much?	[22:35]
mircea_popescu	i dunno, i'm definitely supporting this but more like a matching thing.	[22:35]
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mircea_popescu	what's even reasonable ? less than a third i guess	[22:35]
jurov	what if someone makes 51% attack and takes the pot?	[22:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5257 @ 0.0002149 = 1.1297 BTC [+] {6}	[22:35]
mircea_popescu	i'll just deposit moar and fuck them ?	[22:35]
kakobrekla	that is what i was saying	[22:35]
mircea_popescu	i think it's defensible tbh.	[22:36]
mircea_popescu	suppose you have to be in our wot to contribute.	[22:36]
mircea_popescu	w don't want any random tard's calls and notions anyway.	[22:36]
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kakobrekla	given your confidence i could rob you of all your btc in that way if i gather > than you	[22:37]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.098 = 0.686 BTC [-]	[22:37]
mircea_popescu	well obviously we can't let this run as a dollar auction.	[22:38]
mircea_popescu	it has to be a gentleman thing.	[22:38]
mircea_popescu	which is kind-of the point of it in the first place anyway.	[22:39]
asciilifeform	prize for what, again?	[22:39]
kakobrekla	ok can you give me 5 possible candidates for this ? i cant think of two.	[22:39]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform "for outstanding contributions in the field of economics"	[22:39]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 700 @ 0.00021499 = 0.1505 BTC [+]	[22:39]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla i dunno, nick szabo.	[22:40]
Mats_cd03	lol...	[22:40]
mircea_popescu	just to pull out of my ass.	[22:40]
mircea_popescu	there's hundreds to pick from, and none of them EVER make it on the libertard-run nobel rolls	[22:41]
asciilifeform	is herr szabo in the wot?	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	because those are too busy giving the prize to retarded monkeys.	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the recipient wouldn't have to be in the wot,	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	the sponsors (ie, members of the academy) would have to be.	[22:41]
asciilifeform	you'd need an equally-reliable way to pin a public key on him	[22:41]
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mircea_popescu	he can post an address on his blog.	[22:42]
asciilifeform	('do business with keys' formula)	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	;;google nick szabo gpg fingerprint	[22:42]
gribble	Cryptome listings january 7, 2014 - SlideShare: ; Cryptout - Cryptome: ; Cryptome - Mirror:	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	i guess not.	[22:43]
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midnightmagic	mikaeldice mike_c mircea_popescu mius mixdio	[22:44]
midnightmagic	mikaeldice mike_c mircea_popescu mius mixdio	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	definitely herbi or mike_c could get one if they keep with their blogs.	[22:44]
asciilifeform	hundreds to pick from?	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	what's to keep them from it ? let the entire rest of the world learn what it has to do in the nwo.	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	drop all the rest, do this or perish.	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform defo.	[22:44]
mike_c	hehe. me and nick szabo. no contest, he hasn't done anything in years!	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	easy win right ?	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	plus you're buddy-buddy with the entire fucking academy.	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform there's that retard someone was recommending buying puts on the stock indexes for 10 years, showing like -5% on his hedge funds lol	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	i could see him on the nominees list.	[22:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.098 = 0.294 BTC [-]	[22:45]
asciilifeform	so we're doing both 'ignobel' and nobel?	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	nono, just, i wouldn't vote for him	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	but i can see how someone'd recommend him.	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	gotta have disagreement and scream at each other to end up with a good prize.	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	im just trying to export my boardroom into your lives over here. i tell you, it works!	[22:46]
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asciilifeform	if we do it with some fancy multi-keyed crypto widget, it'll double as a tontine...	[22:47]
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mircea_popescu	may be a good idea, tho i fear automated trust systems may be hijacked in the way kakobrekla describes.	[22:48]
mircea_popescu	a mechanical turk you can have, an automated gentleman you can't have.	[22:48]
asciilifeform	truly.	[22:49]
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mircea_popescu	so srsly, no trolling, try and come up with a broad criteria. like a sentence or something, a paragraph.	[22:49]
asciilifeform	and then we do physics, chemistry... ?	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	cads herbi and whoever else this goes for you too, even if you're poor.	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform maybe. i mean... you know, do whatever we want to do.	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	that's why godoshi has given us the concept of altcoins.	[22:50]
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mircea_popescu	if ppls wanna do physics too we do physics too. with a focus on rocketry or w/e interests us.	[22:51]
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mircea_popescu	the fact remains that whatever interests us is what matters in the world henceforth, and whatever interests whoever else, seven billion anon rats, is not worth a cigarette butt.	[22:51]
benkay	i nominate portland state aerospace society for their open source rocketry work	[22:53]
mircea_popescu	o hai.	[22:53]
mircea_popescu	if nothing else we'll at least get to find out about shit everyone else thought we knew about (tm)	[22:53]
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mircea_popescu	such as for instance right now.	[22:53]
benkay	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAnPtbYMA8o&list=PL9498DE35E817D50C&index=1	[22:54]
benkay	built a roll control unit, doing cool stuff with imus and measurements	[22:55]
ozbot	LV2.3 October 2010 IMU Data - YouTube	[22:55]
benkay	rocket is a hilarious hog	[22:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24900 @ 0.00087567 = 21.8042 BTC [+] {2}	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	lol	[22:55]
benkay	basically built by ee's as a flight platform for their electronics	[22:56]
benkay	but its got some sweet mechanics too, you'll note that the fins spin independently of the rocket body	[22:56]
benkay	we reverse engineered that from other rockets controlled with canards	[22:56]
mircea_popescu	not bad	[22:57]
mircea_popescu	a you're part of it ?	[22:57]
benkay	cut, hardened and packed our own bearings	[22:57]
benkay	was at one point	[22:57]
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benkay	it's a "student group" mostly made up of area professionals	[22:57]
benkay	big fucking bearings too	[22:58]
benkay	like	[22:58]
benkay	6" id if i recall correctly?	[22:58]
mircea_popescu	wait on a rocket for fin control ?!	[22:58]
benkay	it prevents control inversion	[22:58]
mircea_popescu	how much do 6" hardened steel bearings weigh ?!	[22:58]
benkay	tiny small control surfaces at the top	[22:58]
benkay	har not a consideration for this hog	[22:58]
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benkay	and the bearings themselves are actually pretty small - they're just races attached to the frame	[22:59]
benkay	anyways, it's required because you have these tiny little control surfaces that swivel around up at the top of the body	[23:00]
mircea_popescu	aha	[23:00]
benkay	they induce airflow in a helix around the body, which when it impacts the giant stablization foils at the bottom	[23:00]
mircea_popescu	unrelatedly, it occurs to me that bitcoin makes th ebest fucking prizes you can give :	[23:01]
benkay	on the first run this lead to an inversion of control, and eventually just crazy roll rates	[23:01]
mircea_popescu	the longer you go w/o spending it, the more your prize turns out to be.	[23:01]
benkay	then we decoupled the fins from exerting torque on the rocket body	[23:01]
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benkay	problem solved	[23:01]
benkay	now the fins spin, and the rocket goes straight!	[23:01]
mircea_popescu	pretty cool idea.	[23:01]
benkay	at which point i was sucked off the rocket team and into the quadrotor team	[23:02]
benkay	carbon fiber airframe design!	[23:02]
mircea_popescu	3d printer rocket battery.	[23:02]
benkay	i designed a regen motor for printing	[23:03]
mircea_popescu	now that's a fucking nightmare.	[23:03]
benkay	too scared to ever test it	[23:03]
benkay	but ah hang on	[23:03]
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benkay	ha yes	[23:05]
benkay	http://rocketmoonlighting.blogspot.co.nz/	[23:05]
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benkay	this gentleman chose gox/propane	[23:05]
benkay	not your best ISP, but definitely your best bet on fuel choices that aren't lethal without millions of USD in support staff and infrastructure.	[23:05]
benkay	defo my mistake in designing my regen motor: going for Isp and not testability.	[23:06]
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mircea_popescu	you mean Isp ? impulse ?	[23:06]
benkay	specific impulse, yes	[23:07]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07378 = 0.2213 BTC [+]	[23:07]
mircea_popescu	yeah that'd be a strategic mistake.	[23:07]
mircea_popescu	you need management :D	[23:07]
benkay	i have learned this	[23:07]
benkay	i now have some	[23:07]
mircea_popescu	mazel tov	[23:07]
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r3wt	gribble;;	[23:10]
r3wt	;;gribble	[23:10]
gribble	yes I am gribble. why do you keep bothering me?	[23:10]
r3wt	;;gribble register	[23:11]
gribble	yes I am gribble. why do you keep bothering me?	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	;;register	[23:11]
gribble	(register ) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key with . is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a random passphrase to clearsign with your key, and submit to the bot with the 'verify' command. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.	[23:11]
r3wt	;;register	[23:12]
gribble	(register ) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key with . is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a random passphrase to clearsign with your key, and submit to the bot with the 'verify' command. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.	[23:12]
pankkake	http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Main_Page	[23:12]
ozbot	bitcoin-otc wiki	[23:12]
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r3wt	hey gribble i want to register but don't want to use GPG	[23:13]
pankkake	r3wt: http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Bitcoin_address_authentication	[23:14]
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pankkake	http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/GPG_Identity_Protocol wow this is awesome	[23:16]
ozbot	GPG Identity Protocol - bitcoin-otc wiki	[23:16]
punkman	pankkake: related, https://keybase.io/	[23:17]
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mircea_popescu	pankkake it is.	[23:17]
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pankkake	punkman: well the idea is interesting, but seems to rely on their website. also node.js :(	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	yeah, the idea is not interesting.	[23:18]
pankkake	meanwhile namecoin actually allows you to do this: https://nameid.org/?name=pankkake	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	"let us inject our stupid website spuriously" is not much of an ide.a	[23:19]
punkman	pankkake: I don't like that part either	[23:19]
punkman	but we can fix that	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	punkman you running it ?	[23:19]
punkman	I have nothing to do with it	[23:20]
mircea_popescu	a ok	[23:20]
pankkake	anyway, this gpg identity thing allows me to do what I've always wanted to do, a secure way to link profile together	[23:20]
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TomServo	...YEAH 1 SEC, MINING ALTC0INS BY HAND	[23:21]
TomServo	✓ signed by maria	[23:21]
TomServo	ha	[23:21]
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r3wt	;;bcregister r3wt 1337xmR8JRzwKonFgd17dhVo9NHQiP7875	[23:21]
gribble	Request successful for user r3wt, hostmask r3wt!add82c3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.216.44.61. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:ce803449b5f0c7085754f6594074cab76dcd45e0e6f813b45c5d79f9	[23:21]
pankkake	nice address	[23:21]
mircea_popescu	not bad.	[23:21]
mircea_popescu	r3wt another thing you may consider is registering with nickserv. if your name is important to you.	[23:22]
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r3wt	;;bcregister HIshZU1IeW5WrBqteNtqDEHN1P9cbAgcjUQLv5QAfx7retsTPh6tVjQC3LL4UOE0th2/PP/4xPM9eoR5Mf1c2lA=	[23:22]
gribble	(bcregister ) -- Register your identity, associating bitcoin address key with . should be a standard-type bitcoin address, starting with 1. You will be given a random passphrase to sign with your address key, and submit to the bot with the 'bcverify' command. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.	[23:22]
r3wt	;;bcverify HIshZU1IeW5WrBqteNtqDEHN1P9cbAgcjUQLv5QAfx7retsTPh6tVjQC3LL4UOE0th2/PP/4xPM9eoR5Mf1c2lA=	[23:22]
gribble	Registration successful. You are now authenticated for user 'r3wt' with address 1337xmR8JRzwKonFgd17dhVo9NHQiP7875	[23:22]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 65 @ 0.0055 = 0.3575 BTC	[23:23]
r3wt	ok, it says registration successful. so i'm in?	[23:23]
mircea_popescu	yup	[23:23]
r3wt	hmm, i think i forgot the irc commands	[23:24]
r3wt	./msg NICKSERV IDENT	[23:24]
r3wt	right?	[23:24]
davout	pankkake: the address is not really impressive, having the firstbits would be	[23:24]
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mircea_popescu	something like that.	[23:24]
TomServo	r3wt: register and then ident, iirc	[23:24]
r3wt	in my dreams	[23:24]
davout	r3wt: isn't it /msg nickserv identify	[23:24]
r3wt	i'm already ident though	[23:24]
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mircea_popescu	davout when did firstbits become a thing ?	[23:25]
r3wt	says i'm already logged in as r3wt	[23:25]
r3wt	they've always been a thing for superfags	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	i can't see how it's anything but a stupid idea.	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	perhaps a benign novelty of no use at the best.	[23:25]
davout	they're like vanity plates	[23:26]
davout	not useful, but nice gadgets	[23:26]
WillTablet	TomServo: how's that working for you?	[23:26]
WillTablet	(Mining altcoins)	[23:26]
TomServo	WillTablet: it was a paste from the keybase.io page	[23:26]
r3wt	i'm in the WOT now yes?	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	TomServo is that the maria ?	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	r3wt yes.	[23:27]
TomServo	mircea_popescu: Yep	[23:28]
mod6	weird, no keyid or fp though?	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	seems apropriate.	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewgpg.php?nick=r3wt	[23:28]
r3wt	what is the WOT exactly? some type of bitcoin cult?	[23:28]
jurov	hahahahaha	[23:28]
ozbot	#bitcoin-otc gpg key data	[23:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00087636 = 8.0625 BTC [+] {2}	[23:28]
jurov	;;gettrust r3wt	[23:28]
gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask r3wt!add82c3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.216.44.61. Trust relationship from user jurov to user r3wt: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=jurov&dest=r3wt \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=r3wt \| Rated since: never	[23:28]
jurov	r3wt ask your users to rate you	[23:29]
mircea_popescu	r3wt pretty much, yes.	[23:29]
r3wt	so i just say, go rate my otc profile?	[23:29]
mike_c	hmm, better process withdrawals first	[23:29]
Apocalyptic	^	[23:29]
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r3wt	already done.	[23:29]
mircea_popescu	r3wt https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=110861.msg1227871#msg1227871 < there, it's explained.	[23:29]
mircea_popescu	its a tool to allow you (and us) to evaluate the credibility of agents.	[23:30]
jurov	and maybe some day someone whom i trust will rate you too, so i'll know we can do business	[23:30]
r3wt	only one withdrawals sitting on the books, and it can't be processed yet. waiting on doge.	[23:30]
jurov	or not	[23:30]
r3wt	there is no trust in business. only money and contracts	[23:31]
mircea_popescu	yes. this would be the contracts part.	[23:31]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.07105642 = 1.4211 BTC [-] {7}	[23:33]
r3wt	jurov: you should never trust me in the first place.	[23:33]
Apocalyptic	r3wt, i know of at least 3 different people waiting on withdrawals	[23:33]
jurov	r3wt to put *coins into your thing some rudimentary trust is necessary	[23:33]
r3wt	Apocalyptic: are they foreighn? alot of times foreign people put their username or wrong addresses on withdrawals and they just bounce back into their account	[23:34]
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jurov	lmao you don't log when someone inputs malformed address?	[23:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 19 @ 0.095 = 1.805 BTC [-] {2}	[23:34]
skinnkavaj	vc	[23:34]
punkman	damn foreigners!	[23:34]
Apocalyptic	heh	[23:35]
davout	some trust is also required for business, at least that the other the party will hold up to their part	[23:36]
r3wt	@jurov: yes its logged, but only from the queue. if people wanna be clowns then they can pay the price	[23:36]
r3wt	for whatever reason, i haven't been able to get validate address to work correctly.	[23:36]
r3wt	maybe its just php, i'm not sure. hopefully it works better in LUA	[23:36]
mircea_popescu	you mean the checksum ?	[23:37]
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davout	r3wt: you have trouble validating bitcoin addresses?	[23:37]
jurov	i think now i know everything i need about you	[23:37]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=9838.0 ?	[23:37]
ozbot	javascript address validation? 0.2 BTC bounty (bounty paid)	[23:37]
mircea_popescu	people apparently paid 0.2 btc bounties in may 2011.	[23:38]
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mod6	r3wt: thanks for sending. all is good now!	[23:39]
r3wt	no prob	[23:39]
r3wt	@dav, yeah probably something i overlooked. when i print the returned info its fine,b ut when i try to use if($row["isvalid"]) === "false") it fails	[23:40]
r3wt	so probably something i just need to go back to the drawing board on, but i'm not really interested in working on the php version anymore. there is literally no point in doing so	[23:41]
r3wt	anything i change now will be temporary	[23:41]
davout	r3wt: i know nothing of your code, but aren't you trying to test strict equality with a string when the value is a boolean?	[23:41]
mircea_popescu	seems like it	[23:41]
mircea_popescu	try ==	[23:41]
r3wt	i tried == to i believe.	[23:42]
davout	why not if($row["isvalid"])	[23:42]
davout	if it's a boolean that should be enough	[23:42]
mircea_popescu	you mean ! ?	[23:42]
r3wt	because it will return the trow anyway?	[23:42]
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r3wt	when you rpc call it returns an array	[23:42]
mircea_popescu	r3wt is this thing you're using documented anywhere ?	[23:42]
davout	r3wt: using bitcoind right?	[23:43]
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mircea_popescu	bitcoind in php ?	[23:43]
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davout	mircea_popescu: why not?	[23:43]
mircea_popescu	uh	[23:43]
davout	just tried it, it returns a bool	[23:44]
mircea_popescu	no reason i guess.	[23:44]
kakobrekla	its not "false" but false	[23:44]
davout	so drop the whole equality test and i assume it should work	[23:44]
mircea_popescu	with a !	[23:44]
r3wt	http://pastebin.com/NqHHnKtg	[23:44]
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davout	mircea_popescu: oh yes	[23:44]
ozbot	[PHP] function isValidAddress($idtw,$address) { $wallet = new Wallet($idtw); - Pastebin.co	[23:44]
r3wt	no, we wrote custom wallet wrapper/object with modified bitcoinrpcphp	[23:44]
mircea_popescu	they see me sayin', they ignorin'.	[23:44]
davout	r3wt: so your wrapper converts a nice boolean into a cumbersome string?	[23:45]
davout	mircea_popescu: lol	[23:45]
benkay	i love the javascript "no, really: are these things equal or not?" ===	[23:45]
benkay	javascript: equality?!?!	[23:45]
pankkake	php has the same	[23:45]
r3wt	lol, no you seem to misunderstand	[23:46]
davout	if everyone misunderstands i guess it cancels everyone out	[23:46]
r3wt	https://github.com/r3wt/openex/blob/master/models/class.wallet.php	[23:46]
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r3wt	the files are out of date, but thats basically the class/wrapper	[23:47]
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davout	r3wt: looks to me like the JSON is simply parsed so you should end up with a bool from validateaddress, no.	[23:47]
davout	?	[23:47]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2300 @ 0.00021497 = 0.4944 BTC [-] {3}	[23:48]
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mike_c	so you don't all think JD is just crapping money: ROI from july -> november = 0% all the gains have been since then.	[23:48]
r3wt	no it just returns the array.	[23:48]
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r3wt	as far as i'm aware.	[23:48]
r3wt	you could be right and i'm just a dumbass overcomplicating things. i'll try your way and see.	[23:49]
benkay	pankkake: the same craaaaaazy equality operations?	[23:49]
pankkake	yeah, really horrible behaviors	[23:49]
davout	r3wt: if it parses the json it returns a hash, or a dictionary, whatever you call it in PHP, with the "isvalid" key pointing to a bool	[23:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0951 = 0.951 BTC [+]	[23:50]
davout	r3wt: test it out i guess	[23:50]
kakobrekla	>if($row["isvalid"]) === "false")	[23:50]
kakobrekla	"false" is not a bool	[23:50]
kakobrekla	did ya fix dat noobery	[23:50]
mike_c	which noobery? using php?	[23:50]
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kakobrekla	he pasted that line here	[23:51]
mike_c	sorry, just had to get a php crack in there	[23:51]
davout	dear god, please let this not degenerate into a language fight	[23:51]
davout	:)	[23:51]
mod6	flame flame	[23:51]
mike_c	i held my tongue for like a whole page	[23:51]
davout	OH FUCK IT, IT'S ON	[23:51]
mike_c	rabble rabble PYTHON rabble rabble	[23:51]
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r3wt	you can have your jabs now. in a few weeks you will have a mouth of crow	[23:52]
benkay	now now	[23:52]
benkay	make something useful out of php and nobody bats an eye	[23:52]
r3wt	HINT HINT: We rewrote the exchange in something special	[23:52]
kakobrekla	yeah but you got the crow now	[23:52]
davout	r3wt: in lisp?	[23:52]
benkay	Lua you said?	[23:53]
Apocalyptic	can't wait	[23:53]
r3wt	yep LUA	[23:53]
jcpham	rabble rabble	[23:53]
Apocalyptic	does LUA have the === operator ?	[23:53]
r3wt	actually not even lua really, just some home brewery with lua	[23:53]
benkay	no seriously, is it equal?	[23:53]
r3wt	just use ~=	[23:53]
Apocalyptic	just wondering	[23:53]
r3wt	!=	[23:53]
r3wt	so in lua its	[23:53]
davout	Apocalyptic: maybe it has the NOT_EXACTLY_SURE_WHAT_I_M_DOING operator	[23:53]
r3wt	~=	[23:53]
mike_c	and the ever famous !==	[23:53]
r3wt	lol	[23:54]
davout	=~ is actually awesome	[23:54]
jurov	don't forget <>	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	import languages.	[23:54]
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davout	lol	[23:54]
kakobrekla	benkay php is like real world, some are more equal than others.	[23:54]
Apocalyptic	r3wt, you should rewrite it in bitcoin script	[23:54]
davout	kakobrekla: lmao	[23:54]
Apocalyptic	now that would be a challenge	[23:54]
*	r3wt was challenged just learning php	[23:54]
Apocalyptic	OP_CHECK_BALANCE OP_MAIL OP_WITHDRAW	[23:55]
pankkake	=~ is for using regular expressions?	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	i like the >=< operator.	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	kinda covers everything	[23:55]
davout	pankkake: yeah, checks for regexp match	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	which kind ?	[23:55]
davout	mircea_popescu: the infamous "figure-it-out-yourself" operator	[23:55]
pankkake	and I suppose you can use it for replacements too. that's one of the things I miss in Python, direct regexp access	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	uh python does not have regexp ?!	[23:56]
davout	pankkake: i don't think you can	[23:56]
jcpham	MPEX FAQ #42: Figure it out yourself.	[23:56]
r3wt	ah, now i see what i did wrong. i'm asking if a function is a boolean when it already returns one	[23:56]
pankkake	mircea_popescu: it does. but it's just a module, there's no quick access operator	[23:56]
mike_c	re.sub("php", "bugridden")	[23:56]
davout	r3wt: yeah, pretty much what i was yelling at you :-)	[23:56]
r3wt	nope, still didn't fix it	[23:57]
kakobrekla	no he is aksing if a fuction is a string "false"	[23:57]
Apocalyptic	*if a function returns	[23:57]
kakobrekla	ye	[23:57]
kakobrekla	lets broke it	[23:57]
r3wt	i was asking if a string in an array was false within the original function, then i was asking if the function was a boolean	[23:58]
r3wt	so get it right	[23:58]
r3wt	was the string false**	[23:58]
mircea_popescu	ah, now i see what i did wrong. i'm asking if a function is a boolean when it already returns one << pretty good this.	[23:58]
kakobrekla	double false.	[23:58]
Apocalyptic	mircea_popescu, indeed	[23:58]
kakobrekla	i guess that makes it true	[23:59]
mircea_popescu	r3wt so i guess now you have the answer : wot is the church of bitcoin miracles.	[23:59]
mircea_popescu	it fixes your code.	[23:59]
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davout	"if($row["isvalid"]) === "false")" <<< array, where?	[23:59]
r3wt	mircea_popescu: if anything its a good place to learn	[23:59]

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