Forum logs for 18 Feb 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
kakobrekla is the array containing string "false" ?? [00:00]
r3wt yes, the row in the array will say "true" or "false" [00:00]
r3wt depending on if the address is valid or not [00:00]
kakobrekla but (i hope) its a bool ?? [00:00]
Apocalyptic davout, in PHP a dictionary is an array [00:00]
Apocalyptic that's one of the beauties [00:00]
davout Apocalyptic: lol, why don't they call things by their names [00:00]
Apocalyptic "An array in PHP is actually an ordered map. A map is a type that associates values to keys. This type is optimized for several different uses; it can be treated as an array, list (vector), hash table (an implementation of a map), dictionary, collection, stack, queue, and probably more" [00:01]
davout "and probably more" <<< lmao [00:01]
mircea_popescu i like the "probably more" part. [00:01]
Apocalyptic cause you know, it's tedious to call things right [00:01]
mircea_popescu should be a php operator this. [00:01]
Apocalyptic haha mircea [00:01]
mircea_popescu >~ [00:01]
pankkake it's worse. lists and dictionnaries are both arrays [00:01]
mod6 things can be other things [00:01]
* mod6 ducks [00:01]
Apocalyptic yeah pankkake, everything is an array ! [00:01]
mircea_popescu mod6 like urmom! [00:02]
r3wt the adults are talking [00:02]
mod6 haha [00:02]
pankkake and thus, if you export to json, empty "arrays" can end up as lists when you wanted dicts [00:02]
mike_c i like how it is "optimized" for all those things [00:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11212 @ 0.00087705 = 9.8335 BTC [+] [00:02]
mircea_popescu pankkake THAT'S OK MAKE EVERYTHING IN JSON A STRING [00:02]
kakobrekla ' == false ' < - comparing bool, ' == "false" ' <- comparing string [00:02]
pankkake lol [00:02]
r3wt yea i know the difference lol [00:02]
davout mircea_popescu there you go, PHP is the perfect randomness generator [00:02]
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kakobrekla dafuq you comparing a string then for [00:02]
pankkake I remember once when I had to do a replace of '[]' by '{}', to fix the php json export [00:02]
mircea_popescu davout only for applications where it's not useful. [00:03]
r3wt because json rpc returns an array, not a boolean [00:03]
mircea_popescu is a boolean an array ? [00:03]
r3wt the class is the wrapper [00:03]
mircea_popescu it should be i reckon [00:03]
kakobrekla array can be anything [00:03]
Apocalyptic lemme check [00:03]
r3wt oh my god [00:03]
r3wt array("somekey" => "somevalue"); [00:03]
davout mircea_popescu: guess you have a point [00:04]
mircea_popescu if $row["hello"] ~= "false[$world]" [00:04]
mircea_popescu waitno [00:04]
r3wt how can you have a boolean in an array? [00:04]
mircea_popescu worldends.jpg [00:04]
davout derp [00:04]
r3wt it would be a string right? or i'm just stupid? [00:04]
pankkake also sometimes, php dicts are forced into lists, if you have only numeric keys or something [00:04]
Apocalyptic mircea_popescu, $ php -r "var_dump(is_array(false));" [00:04]
Apocalyptic bool(false) [00:04]
mircea_popescu r3wt by making it a double. [00:04]
kakobrekla like $array['key'] = false [00:04]
mircea_popescu then all the bits in it are boolean. [00:04]
davout r3wt: why would it have to be a string?? [00:04]
r3wt the array returns a string? [00:05]
mircea_popescu speaking of "all the bits in it" : [00:05]
kakobrekla do a var_dump($array) [00:05]
kakobrekla see what is what [00:05]
Apocalyptic r3wt, the array returns crazy things [00:05]
Apocalyptic be carefull with those [00:05]
r3wt ./altcoind validateaddress alfdjkaslflakdfja { "isvalid" : false } [00:05]
r3wt damn, it does return a bollean. you smart mofo [00:05]
davout it does, doesn't it [00:06]
kakobrekla i told you 356 lineas ago [00:06]
davout drop your equality test and keep the if [00:06]
davout kakobrekla: no, me [00:06]
kakobrekla fuck you ill edit logs [00:06]
davout LOL [00:06]
davout i yield [00:06]
mircea_popescu lmao [00:07]
r3wt $address = mysql_real_escape_string(strip_tags($_POST["recipient"])); $wallet = new Wallet($idtw); $validity = $wallet->validate($address); if($validity == false) { $errors[] = "Not a valid address"; $error = true; } [00:07]
davout r3wt: listen to what kako said goddommot [00:07]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31650 @ 0.00087749 = 27.7726 BTC [+] {5} [00:07]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2300 @ 0.00021498 = 0.4945 BTC [+] {3} [00:07]
mircea_popescu i can hear the collective multifacepalms of log reader ppl already. [00:07]
mircea_popescu hello multifacepalming logreader people. your facepalms have been foretold. [00:07]
mike_c seriously... if (!$validity) [00:07]
davout then it has to be $validity = $wallet->validate($address)["isvalid"] [00:08]
Apocalyptic you can't do that in PHP [00:08]
mircea_popescu php does not allow things. [00:08]
Jere_Jones 5.4 does [00:08]
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davout Apocalyptic: yeah, sorry, i guess i'm used to my language being insecure, not dumb [00:09]
pankkake hahaha [00:09]
mircea_popescu davout dumb is secure. [00:09]
mike_c please don't call php secure [00:09]
mircea_popescu to prove this : consider cheating wives. the dumb ones don't. [00:09]
mircea_popescu qed. [00:09]
pankkake simple is secure, not dumb [00:09]
davout pankkake: word [00:09]
mircea_popescu simple is doumbly secure. [00:09]
davout PHP burns my eyes [00:10]
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Apocalyptic so does Perl [00:10]
mircea_popescu mike_c what's so insecure about php anyway. it securely failed the === "orly" test [00:10]
mod6 na, perl?! [00:11]
* mod6 ducks [00:11]
* mircea_popescu changes all mod6's d's to f's. so he's now mof6 [00:11]
kakobrekla [00:12]
davout kakobrekla: not too long, my eyes are only partly melted [00:12]
mircea_popescu is there some system call construct in php ? [00:12]
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mod6 haha [00:12]
mike_c mircea_popescu: here's one reason: "PHP is built to keep chugging along at all costs." [00:12]
mircea_popescu run("hello i am running strings on your stack"); [00:12]
mike_c [00:13]
mircea_popescu mike_c that's not automatically insecure. [00:13]
ozbot PHP: a fractal of bad design - fuzzy notepad [00:13]
Apocalyptic kako, real PHPers use echo instead of print [00:13]
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mike_c you don't see other languages accidentally crapping the source code all over the web when something goes wrong [00:13]
davout "PHP takes vast amounts of inspiration from other languages, yet still manages to be incomprehensible to anyone who knows those languages." <<< truth [00:14]
mike_c it's not automatically insecure, it just tends that way. which is bad. [00:14]
mircea_popescu well sure. [00:14]
Apocalyptic [00:14]
mircea_popescu i still don't believe there's anything that even comes close to php for as long as what you're doing is basically... a blog. [00:14]
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davout thank god nobody relies on a programming language for actual security [00:14]
mircea_popescu or w/e, a digital scrapbook for the information superhighway [00:14]
ozbot Unexpected T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM - PHP Sadness [00:14]
mike_c but he is not building a blog, he is building an exchange [00:14]
mircea_popescu this is what he thinks. [00:15]
kakobrekla Apocalyptic fortunatley being real phpers is not something to brag about [00:15]
mircea_popescu imagination has no impact on realitah still. [00:15]
Apocalyptic true [00:15]
kakobrekla echo that motherfucker. [00:15]
peterl who is building an exchange in php? [00:16]
mike_c r3wt. but don't worry, he's converting it to a custom lua engine [00:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2240 @ 0.000212 = 0.4749 BTC [-] {2} [00:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.071 = 0.497 BTC [-] [00:16]
mircea_popescu wasn't lua supposed to be a scripting language ? [00:16]
mike_c it is. but node.js says that don't matter. you can build with anything. [00:17]
mircea_popescu [00:17]
mircea_popescu Weak typing (i.e., silent automatic conversion between strings/numbers/et al) is so complex that whatever minor programmer effort is saved is by no means worth it. [00:17]
mircea_popescu see, this i will dispute. [00:17]
mike_c hah. please do. [00:18]
r3wt php is shit. i will always like it because its my first thing i learned but even i can realize the problems it has [00:18]
mircea_popescu 10mn people wrote === false code that worked. [00:18]
mircea_popescu that's like 100k man-hours. [00:18]
mircea_popescu the time thus spent resulted in at least 3k babies, [00:18]
davout if (x === true) { return true; } [00:18]
mircea_popescu out of which there were maybe even 2 actual programmers. [00:18]
jurov 100k manboobs [00:18]
mircea_popescu now show me any other language which actually MAKES programmers. [00:19]
pankkake => blame the jews [00:19]
davout sorry if (x === true) { return true; } else { return false; } <<< i've actually seen this [00:19]
ozbot Unexpected T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM - PHP Sadness [00:19]
Namworld === in PHP? What the heck does that do? Can't recall ever using 3 = [00:19]
mike_c it means "equal in type and value" [00:19]
mike_c double equal means "almost everything is equal" [00:20]
davout how the fuck could it have the same value if it's not the same type [00:20]
mike_c seriously [00:20]
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mircea_popescu == is useless. [00:20]
mircea_popescu [00:20]
mircea_popescu It’s not transitive. "foo" == TRUE, and [00:20]
mircea_popescu "foo" == 0… but, of course, [00:20]
mircea_popescu TRUE != 0. [00:20]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2467 @ 0.00087464 = 2.1577 BTC [-] [00:20]
mircea_popescu ahahaha this is some epic shit [00:20]
kakobrekla ok so: [00:20]
kakobrekla 2 [00:20]
kakobrekla what did i just type [00:20]
davout ==> "is this cube equal to this sphere?" sure, they're both made of wood! [00:20]
kakobrekla is it int or str [00:21]
mike_c int. no quotes. [00:21]
davout PHP looks like the language of choice for quantum physics [00:21]
davout "not sure, maybe we'll see at runtime" [00:21]
mircea_popescu so according to php is "1" = 1 evaluated to 1, 0 or what ? [00:21]
kakobrekla but i typed a str [00:21]
Apocalyptic ==> "is this cube equal to this sphere?" sure, they're both made of wood! // sure, because maleability [00:21]
mike_c wait, isn't mtgox written in php? case closed. [00:21]
mircea_popescu == converts to numbers when possible ( 123 == "123foo"… although "123" != "123foo"), which means it converts to floats when possible. So large hex strings (like, say, password hashes) may occasionally compare true when they’re not. Even JavaScript doesn’t do this. [00:22]
blg mtgox also uses tcp/ip case closed [00:22]
KRS-One qbasic? [00:22]
davout mike_c: no, because frameworks [00:22]
mircea_popescu this is so great. [00:22]
mike_c yes, drupal will save us [00:22]
davout also midas [00:22]
mircea_popescu For the same reason, "6" == " 6", "4.2" == "4.20", and "133" == "0133". But note that 133 != 0133, because 0133 is octal. But "0x10" == "16" and "1e3" == "1000"! [00:23]
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davout i don't want to live on this internet anymore [00:23]
mike_c kako, defend that. "133" == "0133" [00:23]
kakobrekla same amt of btc. [00:24]
mike_c lol. true. [00:24]
mircea_popescu Amen to the cavalier attitude. You know about PHP's Javascript-esque === operator? (that's the one with three equals signs). That got designed on the spot in an IRC session with Zeev and some other devs. Because I actually had to explain to these folks what the concept of "object identity" was, i.e. what lisp does with 'eq', python does with 'is', and Javascript does with ===. Yes, because PHP's is different. Not only [00:24]
mircea_popescu does === fail to do object identity testing, it's simply '==', does all the "deep comparison" of ==, but also bothers to compare the type. [00:24]
mircea_popescu [00:24]
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ozbot PHP 5.2.0 Released - Slashdot [00:24]
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mircea_popescu In other words, I was unsuccessful in explaining this rather basic concept. They got it blisteringly wrong, and hacked this wrongness into the language for all time. I attempted to explain (much more patiently than here) that no, this is not what === is supposed to do, but I wasn't heard. Not by Zeev, not by anyone else on channel. No one got it at all. [00:25]
mircea_popescu I passionately hated PHP for a long time after that, but it's just not relevant enough to my work anymore to hate. [00:25]
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r3wt so i should be learning python and lisp or what? [00:26]
mike_c sounds like a kindred spirit doesn't he mp? [00:26]
peterl python is great [00:26]
midnightmagic mikaeldice mike_c mircea_popescu mius mixdio [00:27]
midnightmagic mikaeldice mike_c mircea_popescu mius mixdio [00:27]
mircea_popescu mike_c it was an enjoying read. i am a sadist :D [00:27]
davout r3wt: tbh i think what matters most isn't the language, is to strive to understand exactly what's hapenning [00:27]
r3wt that is a tough task for me. i find myself doing alot of reading and then some trial and error [00:28]
davout but wanting away from PHP sounds like a sane thing if you're going to be programming moar [00:28]
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mircea_popescu learning more languages never heart anyone, be they computer or natural. [00:28]
r3wt well this is my first project but i can already see that i do not want to do php forever. [00:28]
mircea_popescu nevertheless, absent any effort for deep understanding of meaning and grammar, no actual language learning takes place. [00:29]
davout r3wt: what makes a language hard to me is the lack of internal consistency it can have [00:29]
*hanbot* fucking nonsense [00:29]
pankkake my innefiencies with php was mostly… looking up the order of function arguments, as they were so inconsistent [00:30]
Apocalyptic ^ [00:30]
mircea_popescu pankkake i was just reading that [00:30]
mircea_popescu [00:31]
ozbot Order of arguments (array/string search) - PHP Sadness [00:31]
pankkake "implode() can, for historical reasons, accept its parameters in either order" [00:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00087418 = 5.6822 BTC [-] [00:31]
r3wt yeah, php is an odd language im not sure why i learned it other than there is just alot of info on it out there and it seemed easy for me to learn [00:32]
mircea_popescu lol historical reasons [00:32]
Apocalyptic pankkake, now that's insane [00:32]
davout also easiest to get started with [00:32]
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davout procedural is easiest to comprehend [00:33]
mircea_popescu so TIL that bitcoinaverage uses a ton of fictitious volume from crap like bitfines. [00:33]
mircea_popescu bitfinex [00:33]
mircea_popescu "volume_btc": 17716.99, [00:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.098 = 0.49 BTC [+] [00:33]
mircea_popescu how the fuck is one to trust an avg which includes > 25% pure unadulterated crud. [00:33]
mircea_popescu herpderp we've taken out mtgox, but we count bitfinex. [00:33]
pankkake r3wt: an advice for your current php code is not to use mysql escapes directly, but use especially prepared statements. that way, you have less chance to forget an escape [00:33]
davout working out at bitfitness, bitches don't know bout my volume [00:34]
mircea_popescu 23293.31 from bitstamp, 17237.53 from btc-e, basically this is a joke. [00:34]
mircea_popescu there's officially no bitcoin average price signal out there. [00:34]
mircea_popescu "volume_percent": 30.15 [00:34]
mircea_popescu gimme a break. [00:35]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.098 = 0.196 BTC [+] [00:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.00087341 = 23.058 BTC [-] {3} [00:35]
mircea_popescu theres' ANX.HK Justcoin and a bunch of other crap with < 10 btc volume [00:36]
mircea_popescu why would anyone include this. [00:36]
r3wt pankkake: should i waste my time with that or should i continue writing ssl sockets for LUA? [00:36]
peterl mircea_popescu: could you publish your own average bitcoin price? [00:36]
ThickAsThieves my openex withdrawals are done, the delay was partially due to Chrome autofilling my username into the address field [00:36]
mircea_popescu peterl i could. and then my own bitcoin and my own planet [00:36]
mircea_popescu seems to be exactly counter to what im trying to do tho [00:36]
Apocalyptic ThickAsThieves, it's ok you are a foreigner [00:37]
pankkake r3wt: just keep in mind if you write more php. almost all other languages have libs in the style of PHP PDO [00:37]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves you know that's pretty serious an issue. [00:37]
nicknock_ mp: whats wrong about bfx? [00:37]
r3wt btw, openex lua is done man, it is a complete rethink. i would have a few days of moving/converting the db to the new structure but it is basically all done except for sockets and the migration of the db structure [00:37]
FabianB_ coindesks bitcoin price index might be an option, but with only stamp and btce it's a joke too [00:37]
pankkake autofill is evil [00:37]
mircea_popescu nicknock_ see mpoe-pr's scamthread [00:37]
peterl don't most exchanges publish volumes and prices, shouldn't getting an average be pretty easy? [00:37]
mircea_popescu omg they have localbitcoins [00:37]
mircea_popescu so basically i can just put the price anywhere by reporting trades on localbitcoins [00:38]
Apocalyptic ^ [00:38]
mircea_popescu "Rock Trading" [00:38]
mircea_popescu wait, that's still in business ? didn't it turn scam a while back ? [00:38]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.00020059 = 2.0059 BTC [-] {11} [00:38]
mircea_popescu Vircurex doing an epic 2.13 btc [00:38]
davout mircea_popescu: you'd be paying them fees for this [00:39]
davout not saying it wouldn't be possible tho [00:39]
mircea_popescu davout i pay localbitcoins a fee to trade locally ? [00:39]
mircea_popescu how does that work lmao [00:39]
Apocalyptic yes mircea you do [00:39]
Apocalyptic 1% [00:39]
davout i don't, know, isn't that their business model? [00:39]
mircea_popescu i have no idea they even had a business model. [00:40]
mircea_popescu basically it's a site to meet federal agents posing as people who are trying to buy bitcoins to pay for stolen cards, rite ? [00:40]
davout check-out this faggotry, visit the link [00:40]
kakobrekla i was expecting kraken [00:40]
davout kakobrekla: lol [00:41]
mircea_popescu kraken is doing like 40 btc total. [00:41]
kakobrekla they also squated that much worth of domains [00:41]
davout somehow, two minutes after i tell lb owner about it my ip gets blocked, and the domain only works from my cell disconnected from wifi [00:41]
mircea_popescu who was arguing for the good idea=ness of using dead brands ? [00:41]
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mircea_popescu there you go person : someone resurected the kraken harnett & co shat all over in 2012. [00:42]
mircea_popescu apparently it wasn't SUCH a good idea. [00:42]
mircea_popescu davout about what ? [00:42]
davout what about what? [00:42]
mircea_popescu "owner about it my ip" [00:42]
ThickAsThieves hello multifacepalming logreader people. your facepalms have been foretold. /// as a mostly not programmer this aint so bad so far! [00:42]
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davout mircea_popescu: i told the owner, the kangasbros guy that redirected to, a minutes after it gives me a blank page and starts working again as soon as i change IP [00:43]
mircea_popescu i may be in my slow mode, but i dont follow teh implicashionz. [00:44]
mircea_popescu why are you redirecting to him or what ? [00:44]
benkay davout o.0 [00:45]
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davout it's not mah domain [00:45]
davout mine is with a dash [00:45]
davout [00:45]
benkay that's a good squat [00:45]
mircea_popescu o o o so he's squatting is what you mean [00:45]
mircea_popescu lolzy [00:45]
benkay what's better is his response to davout saying "hey squatter" [00:46]
mircea_popescu hahaha businessmen of egypt class of 2004 [00:46]
davout benkay: denies at the same time, anyway [00:46]
mircea_popescu i suppose this is what is meant by the beetleman metaphore. [00:46]
mircea_popescu people with very flat profiles pushing very determinedly. [00:47]
* jurov squats the typo and redirects it to highest bidder [00:47]
mircea_popescu jurov here's the funny math on the topic : he could identify davout in his logs. [00:47]
mircea_popescu guess how much traffic he gets [00:47]
benkay sad trombone [00:48]
mircea_popescu to defray his $10 a year "investment" in "internet" "business" [00:48]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6120 @ 0.0001921 = 1.1757 BTC [-] {12} [00:50]
mircea_popescu It’s not even consistent: NULL < -1, and [00:50]
mircea_popescu NULL == 0. Sorting is thus [00:50]
mircea_popescu nondeterministic; it depends on the order in which the sort algorithm happens to compare elements. [00:50]
mircea_popescu aahahaa what [00:50]
mircea_popescu null srsly < -1 ? [00:51]
davout SQL? [00:51]
mircea_popescu php [00:51]
mircea_popescu what, sql does that ? nowai. [00:51]
benkay but if you just avoid all those things you can write rock-solid code, mircea_popescu. [00:51]
pankkake is the best on the subject, I found [00:51]
mircea_popescu benkay either that or discover more things. [00:51]
mircea_popescu i don't imagine that list came prepopulated. [00:51]
davout no no no, NULL < -1 in SQL would result in NULL [00:51]
ozbot PHP: a fractal of bad design - fuzzy notepad [00:51]
mircea_popescu pankkake i was quoting from there [00:52]
pankkake oh :) [00:52]
pankkake it's actually a good resource if you want to *learn* php [00:53]
mircea_popescu some of this shit is pretty impressive. [00:53]
mircea_popescu ?: is left associative [00:53]
ThickAsThieves "we learn that Italy has just ordered banks to withhold a 20% tax on all inbound wire transfers: a decree which on to of everything will apply retroactively to February 1" i missed the retro part initially ... wtf? [00:55]
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mod6 You pull out the hammer, but to your dismay, it has the claw part on both sides. << lmao [00:55]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves i can do you one better : romania passed an organic law saying that the tax code can not be altered mid exercise [00:56]
mircea_popescu because the govt kept doing this. [00:56]
mircea_popescu the next year the tax code was altered mid exercise, and to be applied from the beginning of the exercise. [00:56]
ThickAsThieves can italy even keep up with verifying claims of exemption? [00:56]
davout lol [00:56]
mircea_popescu further improvement : the people who obeyed sucked it [00:56]
mircea_popescu the people who told them to fuck off got to get away with it. [00:57]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves that's planned to become delayed. [00:57]
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davout in france we have invented something marvelously cynical : "l'abus de droit" [00:57]
ThickAsThieves also does Italy not want money coming there anymore? [00:57]
davout in other words, if you use the law to your advantage too much, govt gets to fuck you [00:57]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves italy thinks money has no choice [00:58]
mircea_popescu because all moniz lead to rome [00:58]
mircea_popescu or some retarded shit [00:58]
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mircea_popescu (really, it doesn't want rich foreigners coming in scooping their shit country for cheap) [00:58]
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ThickAsThieves lol [00:59]
ThickAsThieves well, bitcoin! [00:59]
ThickAsThieves sry Italy [00:59]
mircea_popescu davout romanian courts are like something from 1400 HRE. [01:00]
mircea_popescu i don't think any government in the world gets so badly raped in the courts as the romanian one. [01:00]
davout "HRE" <<< ? [01:00]
ThickAsThieves are bitcoin exchanges going to even be legal next year? [01:00]
mircea_popescu good illustration of this principle [01:00]
mircea_popescu holy roman empire. [01:00]
davout oh [01:00]
benkay mircea_popescu: that's the point. avoiding "all of those things" is an impossible task. [01:01]
mircea_popescu a state agency created to herpderp about us crapola fined a popular tv station for saying nigger or some such shit. [01:01]
davout ThickAsThieves: who knows... as usual, wear a condom and don't leave money on exchanges [01:01]
mircea_popescu the station sued the agency. the court ordered the agency stfu and pay the stations' lawyers [01:01]
mircea_popescu the agency was not built with a lawyer budget, so it couldn't pay [01:01]
mircea_popescu another court said stfu and pay or else we take your computors [01:01]
mircea_popescu and sell the employees into slavery. [01:01]
davout computors, who would've thought in 1900 that janitors would be humans in 2000 and computors machines [01:04]
mircea_popescu srsly. [01:04]
benkay neat to note how the spin is changing: [01:06]
benkay originally "these horrible credit card fraudsters" [01:06]
benkay now it's "they're just moving too much money. you're not allowed to move more than 30K without our permission." [01:06]
mircea_popescu myeah. [01:07]
mircea_popescu the sides are stiffening, we shall have battle. [01:07]
mircea_popescu Including a file dumps its variables into the current function’s scope (and gives the file access to your variables), but dumps functions and classes into global scope. [01:08]
mircea_popescu so php does not actually have scope for anything but variables ? [01:08]
benkay stahp stahp stahp [01:09]
benkay leave poor php alone [01:09]
benkay you just don't understand! [01:09]
mircea_popescu well i guess why would anyone ever want function scope [01:09]
davout it would be so cool to have a consistent language where everything is an object that you call methods on [01:09]
mircea_popescu unless they were going to do something evil with it. [01:09]
mircea_popescu davout asm ? [01:10]
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davout nah, i think it's named sapphire or sthg [01:10]
mircea_popescu Using a variable as a function name, or variable name, or class name. (silent) [01:11]
mircea_popescu for the record, mysql is equally idiotic about this. [01:11]
mircea_popescu ppl spent half a day debugging bizarre eulora errors only to discover the name of a variable happened to be a language construct and those you have to quote a CERTAIN way [01:11]
davout classes, functions, w/e they're all objects! [01:11]
davout mircea_popescu: well that's kind of like mpex, "here are the rules; like it or not, but its how this thing works" [01:12]
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mircea_popescu i guess so. [01:12]
benkay what's eulora built in? [01:13]
mircea_popescu benkay php. [01:13]
mircea_popescu srsly : it's largely c++ [01:13]
Jere_Jones mircea_popescu And THAT is a beautiful language. [01:13]
mircea_popescu there are some ad-hoc scripting things we're fighting with atm [01:13]
mircea_popescu i'm still waffly whether the entire thing should be torn out and re-written (which you know, 16th standard problem as well as joel's netscape objections) [01:14]
mircea_popescu or just try to live with the idiocy of nonsensical xml horror. [01:14]
mircea_popescu Jere_Jones sure, for the first 1k lines. [01:14]
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Jere_Jones I enjoy it. [01:15]
mircea_popescu Jere_Jones the kids don't seem to, which means you'll probably have your work cut out for you until you fall over [01:16]
mircea_popescu seeing how most everything that actually works is actually c [01:16]
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Jere_Jones If I'm lucky. :) [01:17]
mike_c i hope eulora isn't rolling its own xml encoder/decoder. that sounds painful. [01:19]
midnightmagic mikaeldice mike_c mircea_popescu mius mixdio [01:20]
midnightmagic mikaeldice mike_c mircea_popescu mius mixdio [01:20]
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mircea_popescu mike_c whatever's in the code is currently xml-ish. [01:20]
mircea_popescu if it rolls its own it ain't gonna be xml. [01:20]
mike_c xml-ish :) [01:20]
mircea_popescu but probably... lua. i guess. [01:20]
benkay HA [01:20]
mircea_popescu which will make r3wt's exchange implementable as a crafting station in eulora [01:21]
mike_c sounds like.. html! [01:21]
midnightmagic mikaeldice mike_c mircea_popescu mius mixdio [01:21]
asciilifeform anyone remember the multi-MB nsa turd in lua? [01:21]
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mircea_popescu mike_c do you know of any implementation of xml that is actually not xml-ish ? [01:21]
mircea_popescu i mean in some sort of application with some other function or destination than showcasing xml [01:21]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform vaguely. [01:22]
mike_c xml is just a data format. if it's not being handwritten why not be strict? [01:22]
mircea_popescu mike_c but as to the practical question... [01:22]
asciilifeform [01:23]
mike_c not sure i follow. you mean like soap? [01:23]
mircea_popescu i mean like a cheese grater or a rocket designing gui [01:23]
mircea_popescu that for some reason included a xml parser [01:23]
mircea_popescu and the thing was actually xml as opposed to xml-ish [01:23]
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mike_c i would say any website service that uses soap to communicate. [01:24]
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mircea_popescu [01:25]
mircea_popescu first fucking thing. "You can choose to make your Web service compliant or non-compliant, depending on your needs." [01:25]
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ozbot Help - Rational Application Developer [01:25]
mircea_popescu atrocious fucking site ibm has too [01:25]
mike_c hm, well, can you provide an example of a reason you would need to not be compliant? [01:26]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform so the lua relation seems merely happenstance [01:27]
mircea_popescu mike_c none. but im just saying practically, people do what they do. [01:27]
Jere_Jones It isn't a matter of needing to be non-compliant. It would be a matter of not needing to be compliant. [01:27]
Jere_Jones Compliant requiring more resources. [01:28]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: there was genuine lua in the turd [01:28]
asciilifeform or did you mean something else [01:28]
mircea_popescu i mean " multi-MB nsa turd in lua" shoud have read "the lua in the multi-MB nsa turd" [01:29]
asciilifeform ah well yes. [01:29]
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asciilifeform the art of turdcraft has really gone down hill, people write shit in vb even. [01:30]
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mircea_popescu The White Hat RAT – A legitimate network administrator needs to quickly perform updates or solve problems for numerous users, so he has a legitimate reasons to install a remote administration tool on all of the systems under his supervision. This would allow him to make changes and/or catch people going against the companies computer use policy for all of the users without leaving his desk. [01:30]
mircea_popescu you have to be completely broken i nthe head to imagine there is such a thing as a legitimate rat. [01:31]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: remember 'back orifice' ? [01:31]
asciilifeform what it was named after. [01:31]
mircea_popescu well ya, but nevertheless. [01:31]
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asciilifeform yeah i never understood the appeal of giving slaves actual computers. give them graphic terminals and be done with it [01:32]
mircea_popescu no computers for slaves. [01:32]
mircea_popescu if you need the admin to fix your computer you may not use one. [01:32]
mircea_popescu back in the day a man became eligible for marriage once he could fix his own fucking cart. [01:33]
asciilifeform [01:35]
asciilifeform someone still uses ftp! [01:35]
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mircea_popescu “Hacker’s cannot usually upload information to a website, [01:36]
mircea_popescu srsly, 7800 fpt servers, what is this, noob tv ? [01:36]
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asciilifeform stoopid folks are stoopid, news at 11 [01:38]
asciilifeform who the hell pays for trojans, also [01:38]
asciilifeform i never understood [01:38]
mircea_popescu Guy eating in an elegant restaurant in Montreal leaves his table to use the men’s room and comes out screaming. [01:38]
mircea_popescu “Monsieur! Monsieur! What is wrong?” [01:38]
mircea_popescu “I used the faucet for cold and the hottest water came out.” [01:38]
mircea_popescu “Ah, Monsieur “c” is for chaud, which means hot in French.” [01:38]
mircea_popescu “But the other faucet has a ‘c’ on it too.” [01:38]
mircea_popescu “That ‘c’ is for the English word cold.” [01:38]
mircea_popescu “That’s crazy.” [01:38]
mircea_popescu “No, sir, not crazy” said the maitre d’, “We are a bilingual city.” [01:38]
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mircea_popescu interesting what they need laws for. [01:45]
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asciilifeform re: 'keybase' link: brilliant honeypot [01:52]
benkay am i supposed to read this florida thing to imply i can move 20k+ but but 20k-?? [01:52]
mircea_popescu "The first time I went to jail I was 18 years old. I had gone AWOL from the navy, was living with 3 prostitutes, and befriended an older Marine. The Marine and I decided to pull an armed robbery of a small convenience store. A policeman happened to be in the area, and after a long chase we were arrested and went to jail." [01:52]
asciilifeform '...certain crypto actions (signing and decrypting) are limited to users who store client-encrypted copies of their private keys on the server, an optional feature we didn't mention above...' [01:52]
mircea_popescu omfg [01:52]
asciilifeform ' of OkCupid and Keybase.' [01:52]
asciilifeform 'famed artist & designer' [01:53]
mircea_popescu name ? [01:53]
asciilifeform scroll to bottom [01:53]
mircea_popescu i dont have the shit loaded [01:53]
asciilifeform [01:53]
mircea_popescu sigh [01:53]
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blg benkay: are you referring to the secret service arrests of localbitcoin users? [01:53]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1410 @ 0.00020107 = 0.2835 BTC [-] {4} [01:54]
benkay blg yup [01:54]
asciilifeform Max Krohn [01:54]
asciilifeform co-founder of OkCupid and Keybase [01:54]
asciilifeform [01:54]
asciilifeform MIT Ph.D., PDOS Group [01:54]
asciilifeform Chris Coyne [01:54]
asciilifeform co-founder of OkCupid and Keybase [01:54]
asciilifeform [01:54]
mircea_popescu ;;rate Chris Coyne Max Krohn Caroline Hadilaksono - 10 fucktards [01:54]
gribble Error: 'Coyne' is not a valid integer. [01:54]
asciilifeform [01:54]
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asciilifeform Caroline Hadilaksono [01:54]
asciilifeform famed artist & designer [01:54]
asciilifeform [01:54]
asciilifeform [01:54]
asciilifeform hard-working public servants! [01:54]
mircea_popescu send the fingermen. [01:54]
asciilifeform the fucktards are the lusers. [01:54]
asciilifeform hell, it's exactly as dumb as 'online wallets' [01:55]
asciilifeform let's store private keys on this other fellow's box! [01:55]
asciilifeform what could go wrong. [01:55]
asciilifeform embrace & extinguish (TM) [01:55]
mircea_popescu no cause they're encrypted you know. [01:56]
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asciilifeform lol [01:56]
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mircea_popescu anyway, the positive here is that all these fucktards are rapidly giving old style fiat credentials a bad name. [01:56]
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mircea_popescu o, you're from X company ? so you're too stupid to live, right, just like the geniuses that founded okcupid, facebook, whatnot. [01:56]
asciilifeform channelling herr moldy and orlov: ''s not clear that you'll want the old world on your resume.' [01:56]
mircea_popescu definitely clear you don't. [01:57]
mircea_popescu kinda funny how the stupid work for the smart whether they like it or not. [01:57]
punkman wants people's private keys? lulz [01:57]
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davout wai [01:58]
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asciilifeform can't believe nobody noticed that tidbit [01:58]
davout srsly? [01:58]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you're the first one that read the site [01:58]
mircea_popescu probably since its inception [01:58]
asciilifeform i always think, 'scroll down to where the bastard wants your keys' [01:58]
davout i skimmed over it and concluded, maybe too fast, that it was just syntactic sugar around the gpg binary or sthg [01:59]
asciilifeform the less dour the presentation, the more childlike the graphics, the more guaranteed. [01:59]
punkman I just liked the command line utility, I want to associate nicknames to keys [01:59]
mircea_popescu punkman what's wrong with, you know, the wot ? [01:59]
davout punkman: you don't have autocomplete for key names? [01:59]
punkman davout, does gpg already do that? [02:00]
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asciilifeform 'syntactic sugar causes cancer of the semicolon.' [02:00]
davout punkman: i'm a heretic, i'm on osx, but the gpg i have does it, o wait, its probably zsh, stupid me [02:00]
asciilifeform at any rate, a beartrap is a beartrap, stick your foot in if you enjoy that kind of thing. [02:01]
davout but even without autocomplete you can just give the first unambiguous chars of a key name and gpg will be smart enough to pick the right one [02:01]
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mircea_popescu i don't get it, gpg already recognises destinations by name, email, keyd out of the box [02:01]
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davout works with -r and -u [02:01]
mircea_popescu what is the functionality sought here ? [02:01]
davout moar convenience i guess, but that's what you describe, gpg is smart enough if there's no ambiguity [02:02]
asciilifeform to entertain people with cartoons while they lay back and get pwned [02:02]
asciilifeform just the same as always. [02:02]
punkman I haven't used GPG enough then [02:02]
mircea_popescu [02:02]
punkman (I am registered on WOT though) [02:02]
ozbot Memories of Rape [02:02]
davout punkman: if you're on osx chain it with pbpaste and pbcopy for extra awesomeness [02:04]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0993 = 0.3972 BTC [+] [02:06]
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punkman davout: I never liked OSX [02:08]
punkman or the cloud [02:08]
davout or cunt [02:08]
punkman no I just had some cunt [02:08]
punkman and a tangerine [02:08]
davout hehe good for you [02:08]
punkman amazing tangerine [02:09]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [02:09]
davout anyway, chain gpg with whatever streams your clipboard from or to the standard input [02:09]
benkay (pipe) [02:10]
davout benkay: what, are words supposed to have a meaning now? [02:10]
davout well... pipe it then :-) [02:11]
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pankkake ceci n'est pas un pipe [02:11]
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davout i'll pipe pankkake to /dev/null [02:11]
Apocalyptic *une pipe you mean [02:12]
pankkake tu me fais une pipe ? [02:12]
Apocalyptic no chance [02:12]
davout [02:12]
davout disregard this, i perform pipes [02:13]
pankkake can't deny it, being a mac user and all [02:13]
mircea_popescu is that slang for a blowjob ? [02:13]
pankkake yes [02:13]
davout yes [02:13]
punkman so which ugly cunt can I diddle to get some ratings, [02:14]
mircea_popescu lol [02:15]
mircea_popescu where's the cock spool one [02:15]
mircea_popescu [02:15]
ozbot good behavior [02:15]
davout what's a spool? [02:16]
mircea_popescu moulinette ? [02:16]
benkay that one cracks me [02:16]
benkay cracks me up [02:16]
benkay the spooling [02:16]
benkay my sides [02:16]
mircea_popescu mhm [02:16]
mircea_popescu (make sure you hit next page, its a 2 page one) [02:17]
davout mircea_popescu: [02:17]
mircea_popescu davout a spool is the object upon which you collect a thread [02:17]
mircea_popescu be it fishing line or optic fibre [02:17]
mircea_popescu as well as the thread thus collected [02:17]
davout mircea_popescu: ok [02:17]
davout une bobine [02:17]
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mircea_popescu isn't that the electric itam ? [02:17]
davout it's both [02:18]
mircea_popescu a ok. [02:18]
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davout also used for rolling movies up [02:18]
davout [02:18]
davout that a spool too ? [02:18]
thecapitalr whats everyones thought on CBTC? [02:18]
mircea_popescu thecapitalr what's cbtc ? [02:18]
thecapitalr [02:19]
mircea_popescu davout that's a reel. [02:19]
davout aaah [02:19]
davout i heard this word before [02:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22316 @ 0.0008745 = 19.5153 BTC [+] {2} [02:19]
mircea_popescu thecapitalr [02:19]
thecapitalr yeah i saw that [02:19]
mircea_popescu davout it exists as a verb too. to reel = to shake from side to side. [02:19]
thecapitalr is that legit? [02:19]
mircea_popescu what do you mean is it legit. [02:20]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1773 @ 0.00018227 = 0.3232 BTC [-] {5} [02:20]
thecapitalr i mean are they really faking their numbers [02:20]
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mircea_popescu seems the linked post is made out of fairly uncontroversial and easily checked statements. [02:21]
mircea_popescu the impugned cbtc stuff however doesn't meet the same standards. [02:21]
punkman anyone notice that doge-dice is making more money than just-dice? [02:21]
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mircea_popescu in actual btc ? [02:22]
pankkake because it didn't have a nakowa early on, I suppose [02:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23300 @ 0.00087415 = 20.3677 BTC [-] {2} [02:22]
punkman mircea_popescu: I think so [02:22]
mircea_popescu i defo never noticed that [02:22]
pankkake in total btc really?! [02:22]
benkay wow [02:22]
mircea_popescu how many trillions of doge does one need to bet ? [02:22]
asciilifeform re: reference client rewrite etc. : [02:22]
Duffer1 thecapitalr just keep your btc bro [02:23]
thecapitalr what do you mean? i own shares in the company already im thinking bout selling them [02:23]
Duffer1 oh [02:23]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform ahahaha epic [02:23]
Duffer1 personally, I'd sell [02:23]
mircea_popescu thecapitalr you bought at 18 or w/e it was ? [02:23]
thecapitalr i bought two weeks ago at 18 [02:24]
pankkake I bought months ago at 18. I sold [02:24]
pankkake well, 18 then 13, but. [02:24]
kakobrekla !t h cbtc [02:24]
assbot [HAVELOCK:CBTC] 1D: 0.00018001 / 0.0002106 / 0.00024700 (120310 shares, 25.33788095 BTC), 7D: 0.00002001 / 0.0001689 / 0.00025999 (1044852 shares, 176.47235917 BTC), 30D: 0.00002001 / 0.00013876 / 0.00025999 (2428517 shares, 336.98324991 BTC) [02:25]
thecapitalr ok thanks guys i gotta go ill probably sell it sketchs me out [02:25]
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pankkake what's sketchy? I'm not following [02:25]
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mircea_popescu thecapitalr as i usually say to people, [02:28]
mircea_popescu why ask two weeks after rather than two weeks before ? [02:28]
asciilifeform parachute theorem. [02:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.09915 = 0.1983 BTC [-] {2} [02:29]
thecapitalr ha cause i just found this chat room [02:31]
thecapitalr and i thought that it was a good buy until i read that post on bitcointalk... [02:31]
mircea_popescu :p [02:31]
asciilifeform [02:33]
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ozbot Game of Death [02:33]
asciilifeform provably fair: [02:34]
mircea_popescu << obama's dream. [02:35]
punkman [02:35]
asciilifeform gorbama. [02:35]
ozbot TopatoCo: Oglaf Book One (Adults Only) [02:35]
punkman oglaf deserves some love [02:36]
mircea_popescu punkman i agree. sadly they don't respond to emails and don't have a (working) relationship with an agent and don't fuck anyone i fuck and so on. [02:36]
mircea_popescu consequently, the love will have to wait cause im not about to give topatoco w/e 20 dollars so some people i like can make 30 cents [02:36]
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peterl does oglaf have a bitcoin donation address? [02:37]
punkman I gifted a book to a friend, not sure she appreciated it [02:37]
peterl xkcd does, I have donated [02:37]
mircea_popescu peterl whatever they have they don't pass the openbsd test [02:37]
mircea_popescu i guess much in the way thepiratebay doesn't. [02:37]
mircea_popescu people will have to learn to do this. [02:37]
punkman no word from piratebay yet? [02:37]
peterl what is the openbsd test? [02:37]
BingoBoingo peterl: Are you capable of accepting money for having done a good job pretty much. [02:38]
mircea_popescu the openbsd test is a venue where i can go hi take me to your leader and they do. [02:38]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0995 = 0.2985 BTC [+] [02:38]
mike_c !t h rent [02:38]
assbot [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (337 shares, 1.85350000 BTC), 7D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (5354 shares, 29.44700000 BTC), 30D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (32725 shares, 179.98750000 BTC) [02:38]
peterl is that how openbsd got a bunch of money from you, by passing the test? [02:39]
mircea_popescu it doesn't HAVE to be an irc chan, but that's prolly the simplest implementation. [02:39]
mircea_popescu peterl yeah. [02:39]
pankkake weird as they even mention the channel [02:40]
mircea_popescu [02:42]
ozbot #bitcoin-assets log [02:42]
mircea_popescu and also if anyone actually manages to get in contact, [02:43]
mircea_popescu [02:43]
pankkake someone told you to use exoclick? [02:43]
ozbot The strange case of the delusionist and later stories. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [02:43]
asciilifeform 'dog sees master as large dog' theorem. [02:44]
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mircea_popescu "equal sized dog of same gender and age" [02:44]
asciilifeform right [02:44]
mircea_popescu pankkake its what they use atm. [02:45]
mircea_popescu and since we're taking wired, blaze, washington post and all the rest of the crap, here's some interesting internets newz : [02:45]
mircea_popescu [02:45]
pankkake sure, but the form has a "ad inquiries" choice [02:45]
ozbot New York company says it can beam free OUTERNET Wi-fi to every person on Earth | Mail Online [02:46]
asciilifeform why dignify this horror with a link ? [02:46]
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punkman mircea_popescu: is wifi from satellite even feasible? [02:47]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's about on par with all the other media crap [02:47]
mircea_popescu you see a difference ? [02:47]
mircea_popescu punkman sure it is. in the sense the sec and italian govt and everything else are feasible, [02:47]
asciilifeform it comes with an extra helping of insult to the intelligence of a five-year-old ? [02:47]
mircea_popescu i would guess beaming skittles from mars is also feasible. [02:47]
punkman how is my puny wifi card gonna talk back to the sat though? [02:47]
pankkake so trees stop wifi but space doesn't! [02:47]
mircea_popescu power of wifi frindsheep ? [02:48]
punkman myeah [02:48]
mircea_popescu it's one way internet [02:48]
mircea_popescu like cable tv. [02:48]
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asciilifeform i suppose there, somewhere in the jungles, there still lives a fellow who has seen neither end of a satellite tx/rx. [02:48]
mircea_popescu kinda what verizon and etc have been trying to build all along [02:48]
asciilifeform (the physical ends.) [02:48]
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asciilifeform [02:51]
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Apocalyptic asciilifeform, where is that horror from ? [02:52]
asciilifeform i honestly can't remember where i lifted it [02:52]
asciilifeform the original seems to have vanished into the aether. [02:52]
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asciilifeform [02:56]
ozbot Rite of Passage [02:56]
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mircea_popescu << the habeas corpus series made me irlol [02:56]
ozbot habeas corpus [02:56]
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peterl if MP is reacing out to do advertisements, should we expect the price of S.MPOE to go up soon? [02:57]
Apocalyptic peterl, are you really expecting an answer to that ? [02:57]
mircea_popescu either that or down. [02:57]
peterl ;) [02:58]
punkman1 mircea_popescu: is this month gonna have more new accounts than previous one? [02:58]
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mircea_popescu i guess we see when the reports come neh ? [02:59]
mircea_popescu << this chicks got really nice tits. [03:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37950 @ 0.00087665 = 33.2689 BTC [+] {3} [03:04]
asciilifeform meanwhile, at ft. meade: [03:04]
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ThickAsThieves that's the cartoon of Altcoin [03:12]
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thecapitalr you guys like neobee? [03:19]
thecapitalr i threw .2 BTC into it a while back... not a whole lot obviously but enough to test the waters [03:20]
benkay what ams even neobee [03:20]
kakobrekla thecapitalr [03:20]
benkay if you're operating at the interface of fiat and bitcoin, you're going to have a bad time. [03:20]
benkay i'm much more of a niobe kinda guy [03:21]
benkay [03:21]
benkay 'cause you know [03:21]
benkay TITS [03:21]
thecapitalr lmao [03:22]
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benkay ThickAsThieves: what is the actual deal with Neobee after all? [03:28]
kakobrekla wait now i get it [03:28]
kakobrekla nubbins pissed cause neobee doesnt use him to print their shits [03:29]
benkay actualy neobee is a great name [03:30]
pankkake Neo & Bee [03:31]
benkay It was on occasion of the annual celebration in honor of Latona and her offspring, Apollo and Diana, when the people of Thebes were assembled, their brows crowned with laurel, bearing frankincense to the altars and paying their vows, that Niobe appeared among the crowd. Her attire was splendid with gold and gems, and her face as beautiful as the face of an angry woman can be. She stood and surveyed the people with haughty looks. "What [03:31]
benkay folly," said she, "is this! to prefer beings whom you never saw to those who stand before your eyes! Why should Latona be honored with worship rather than I? My father was Tantalus, who was received as a guest at the table of the gods; my mother was a goddess. My husband built and rules this city, Thebes; and Phrygia is my paternal inheritance. Wherever I turn my eyes I survey the elements of my power; nor is my form and presence [03:31]
benkay unworthy of a goddess. To all this let me add, I have seven sons and seven daughters, and look for sons-in-law and daughters-in-law of pretensions worthy of my alliance. Have I not cause for pride? Will you prefer to me this Latona, the Titan's daughter, with her two children? I have seven times as many. Fortunate indeed am I, and fortunate I shall remain! Will any one deny this? [03:31]
benkay oh pastebin [03:31]
benkay sorry guys [03:31]
thecapitalr i sitll like them... interested in seeing what happens on the 23rd after their ipo runs out [03:31]
benkay anyways, point is some mortal gets arrogant and struck down by the gods [03:32]
benkay thecapitalr: what were the terms of their ipo? "buy our stock at this price, trading begins on this date"? [03:32]
benkay three month gap between first stock on sale and first public trade? [03:32]
thecapitalr im not sure.. i honestly am just learning.. I know that their IPO price on LMB holdings is .003 but you have been able to trade it on havelock for a while. The price on havelock is also ~.003 [03:33]
thecapitalr they are not selling it on LMB after the 23rd [03:33]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.06882355 = 1.17 BTC [+] {4} [03:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25800 @ 0.00087077 = 22.4659 BTC [-] [03:41]
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benkay i dunno man [03:50]
benkay i just don't see the genius, thecapitalr [03:50]
benkay i just don't see any good reason to move my btc into neo/bee's pockets [03:50]
pankkake I think it's the other way. you move your EURs [03:51]
pankkake if they manage to have many merchants in cyprus, why not? [03:51]
pankkake though the question is… what has bitcoin to do with it [03:52]
benkay i have 1 investment. [03:52]
benkay btc. [03:52]
benkay some speculative plays in mpoe, nsa [03:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29000 @ 0.00086994 = 25.2283 BTC [-] [03:53]
benkay the fundamentals of neo/bee are horrible compared to the btc fundamentals. [03:53]
pankkake s.nsa is mostly an investment in btc at this point :) [03:53]
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benkay it's got a nice bottom [03:53]
benkay HEYO [03:53]
pankkake I'm not discussing the merits of neo&bee as an investment [03:53]
benkay and by bottom i mean foundation? [03:53]
herbijudlestoids hullo guys, i wrote a new blog...because i was reading teh log.bitcoin-assets and saw i could earn teh nobel -assets price [03:53]
benkay o i am. [03:53]
Apocalyptic heh [03:53]
benkay what ams even blog, herbijudlestoids? [03:54]
pankkake yeah, but I think we would agree on it, so, nothing else to say ;) [03:54]
herbijudlestoids [03:54]
Alex_Vertiez wtf is this chat [03:54]
benkay chasing that -assets economics award? [03:54]
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benkay blogspot?! [03:54]
ozbot bitquant: Intrinsic Value and S.MPOE Market Implied EPS Growth [03:54]
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herbijudlestoids enjoy :) [03:55]
herbijudlestoids feedback appreciated [03:56]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29900 @ 0.00087087 = 26.039 BTC [+] {2} [03:56]
pankkake TL;DR [03:56]
benkay har trolling business partner [03:57]
benkay "it has curly braces! it must be javascript!" [03:57]
benkay regarding 'go' [04:01]
benkay the least google-able programming language. [04:02]
pankkake golang [04:03]
pankkake [04:04]
ozbot Disney absorbs Infoseek - Jul. 12, 1999 [04:05]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43600 @ 0.00087245 = 38.0388 BTC [+] {3} [04:11]
benkay i know pankkake - still a horrible name [04:11]
KRS-One makes me think of flat woman tits [04:15]
KRS-One .bait [04:15]
ozbot [04:16]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 214 @ 0.00472864 = 1.0119 BTC [-] {8} [04:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 76 @ 0.00470001 = 0.3572 BTC [-] {2} [04:29]
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nubbins` punkman1 [04:32]
nubbins` curl | gpg -d | pbcopy [04:33]
nubbins` replacing my OTPS url with yours, obv [04:33]
nubbins` wait, no, i mean davout [04:34]
nubbins` kakobrekla, tsk, accusing me of such things ;D [04:36]
nubbins` Namworld, chess? [04:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13242 @ 0.00087415 = 11.5755 BTC [+] [04:40]
Apocalyptic nubbins`, wanna play ? [04:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28806 @ 0.00086993 = 25.0592 BTC [-] {2} [04:41]
nubbins` yeah, just gimme a couple minutes to set up [04:41]
benkay u guys why ams even database password? [04:43]
benkay so much cargo cult [04:43]
Apocalyptic searching for nubbins`... I end up with [04:43]
benkay crazy rando db password 'cause what if cluster am breachified [04:43]
benkay password which is in source control. [04:43]
nubbins` that's not me, i don't have a account [04:43]
Apocalyptic was refering to the dog though [04:44]
nubbins` haha [04:44]
nubbins` not bad [04:44]
nubbins` anyway, if you hadn't offered to play, i would have burned my bread. just grabbed it in time [04:45]
nubbins` you want white or black? [04:45]
pankkake benkay: well don't put it in your source control silly [04:45]
nubbins` or should we flip a ;;coin [04:45]
Apocalyptic go ahead and flip [04:46]
nubbins` you call it! [04:46]
benkay pankkake: i'm talking about everyone else out there [04:46]
benkay and also ssh keys all the thing [04:46]
pankkake I haven't seen it much, but maybe because I usually influence those things [04:47]
Apocalyptic ;;coin [04:47]
gribble heads [04:47]
Apocalyptic means i'm white [04:47]
pankkake a lot of frameworks allow you to keep some things separate easily [04:47]
nubbins` works for me [04:47]
Apocalyptic c4 [04:48]
benkay i mean i just don't get it [04:48]
nubbins` c5 [04:48]
Apocalyptic Nc3 [04:48]
benkay unless you have the rigor to do a '12f' application, don't fuck around with cargocult 12fa [04:48]
benkay just lock the boxes with ssh and go smoke a bowl breh [04:48]
nubbins` e5 [04:48]
Apocalyptic e4 [04:49]
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decimation ugh. reading net.cpp from bitcoind that asciilifeform pointed out yesterday is a crazy mess [04:49]
decimation random locks everwhere [04:49]
benkay link! [04:49]
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benkay i demand a link [04:49]
nubbins` Ng6 [04:49]
pankkake eh. postgres does not even require passwords, provided the querying user is in the right group or something [04:49]
decimation optimization for supposedly transparent features [04:49]
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benkay see? it's great. [04:50]
benkay unpassword all the things [04:50]
benkay secure acces with *nix roles and ssh [04:50]
benkay sufficient for like 90% of cases [04:50]
pankkake I use tunnels for a lot of things [04:50]
benkay problem is everyone wants to think they're in the 10% of cases that need rigor [04:50]
Apocalyptic Ng6 << illegal move [04:50]
pankkake (not necessarily SSH tunnels) [04:50]
nubbins` sorry, Nf6 [04:50]
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benkay i keep a repl in production [04:50]
Apocalyptic d3 [04:51]
benkay <- kidding [04:51]
benkay (sorta) [04:51]
pankkake and yeah, authentication on the protocol level is usually useless, redundant, and a liability (i.e. "can you really rely on it") [04:51]
pankkake I would never open a mysql server to the world, always use a tunnel [04:51]
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mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids> hullo guys, i wrote a new blog...because i was reading teh log.bitcoin-assets and saw i could earn teh nobel -assets price <<< lawl [04:53]
mircea_popescu see, it werks! [04:53]
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nubbins` Nc6 [04:53]
mircea_popescu of course, blogspot can never qualify for assnob price [04:53]
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nubbins` don't hate on the man's hosting! [04:54]
pankkake blogger makes static files and easily exportable data. not much to hate. [04:54]
Apocalyptic Bg5 [04:55]
pankkake except it's from The Google [04:55]
nubbins` pff, as if staying away from blogger is going to make a difference there [04:55]
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mircea_popescu decimation glad you're having fun :D [04:55]
nubbins` blogspot, even [04:55]
pankkake herbiju*: I'll provite leet hosting for a 5% cut of the prize [04:55]
benkay wake up nubbins [04:56]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00087487 = 18.8097 BTC [+] {2} [04:56]
benkay it's 2014 nao [04:56]
pankkake it's tumblr now? [04:56]
mircea_popescu pankkake the extent of your demands makes roses wilt in the fields. [04:56]
mircea_popescu srsly, static filed and "easily" exportable data ? that's it ? [04:56]
nubbins` Be7 [04:57]
nubbins` benkay, 20-what? [04:57]
pankkake it means you are free to move elsewhere quickly [04:57]
mircea_popescu herp. [04:57]
nubbins` WHAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN :D [04:57]
mircea_popescu so if i rape you with a door open that's good enough. [04:57]
mircea_popescu whenever you're done taking it in the ass you can move quickly [04:57]
mircea_popescu with a prolapsed colon and barefoot down the street. [04:57]
pankkake but how can blogger rape? [04:57]
nubbins` hah [04:58]
Apocalyptic Nf3 [04:58]
nubbins` ^ fair question [04:58]
mircea_popescu i dunno dood. say by putting a link TO THEMSELVES on your shit. [04:58]
mircea_popescu say by deciding which of your articles need a special click through page. [04:58]
pankkake the second you don't like it you can move out [04:58]
mircea_popescu say by disqus-ing your commenters avant disqus was invented even [04:58]
nubbins` Qd7 [04:58]
mircea_popescu i bet that's how disqus was born, some ycombinated heads were sitting around and one went [04:58]
nubbins` sorry, Qc7 [04:58]
mircea_popescu 'you know what'd be really retarded ? if we made blogspot-style comment forms like a stand alone" [04:59]
pankkake typically disqus is shit because you don't have control of the comments [04:59]
mircea_popescu that second was in 1997. [04:59]
benkay maintain all files locally. [04:59]
benkay generate html [04:59]
nubbins` ^ [04:59]
benkay push to arbitrary box. [04:59]
pankkake disqus exists because static blog generators didn't resolve the comments part; and making the result worse in the end! [04:59]
pankkake and until I have a mail-to-comment gateway, I'm sticking to wordpress [05:00]
Apocalyptic Bxf6 [05:00]
benkay yeah the comment engine thing is a problem [05:00]
benkay not really a big problem in the grand scheme of things [05:00]
nubbins` Bxf6 [05:00]
benkay but still leads to all sorts of derpage in public like disqus [05:00]
mircea_popescu dude srsly ? "next blog" ? [05:01]
mircea_popescu how is this bullshit even allowed to exist ? [05:01]
Apocalyptic Nd5 [05:01]
nubbins` wordpress is okay [05:02]
mircea_popescu blog on blogspot, make a yahoo stores shop, bank with paypal, wtf is this, reddit ?! [05:02]
nubbins` Qa5+ [05:02]
benkay re: variety speak [05:02]
benkay variety speak: [05:02]
pankkake wordpress.COM has much less shit [05:02]
pankkake and well, you can go from the .com to your own instance [05:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 140 @ 0.0055 = 0.77 BTC [05:03]
mircea_popescu "This video is unavailable." [05:03]
nubbins` honestly the only hassle with is trying to funnel both your email and your web traffic through the same domain [05:03]
nubbins` inexplicably complicated [05:03]
mircea_popescu they too lazy to properly set up zones or something [05:03]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2335 @ 0.00087709 = 2.048 BTC [+] [05:04]
nubbins` ehh, more likely that they'd just prefer you use instead [05:04]
nubbins` can't have too many features in the trial version [05:04]
mircea_popescu these too not necessarily contradictory :p [05:04]
Apocalyptic Nd2 [05:05]
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nubbins` Bg5Bg5 [05:08]
nubbins` i mean uh, half of that [05:08]
nubbins` stopped to make sure it was a good move ;( [05:09]
asciilifeform q: any of you folks ever bitflipfuzz the referenceclient ? [05:09]
asciilifeform (or know of someone who has) [05:09]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it is actually remarkably stable to fuzzed chains [05:10]
Apocalyptic Be2 [05:10]
benkay get a room, you two [05:10]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not classical fuzz, understand. bitflips. [05:11]
asciilifeform in arbitrary space. [05:11]
asciilifeform incl. instructions. [05:11]
nubbins` 0-0 [05:11]
MisterE like bitrot? [05:11]
mircea_popescu also [05:11]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you mean what, in the code ? [05:11]
asciilifeform correct. [05:12]
Apocalyptic f4 [05:12]
mircea_popescu i dunno anyone actually did this, may make for a good blogpost [05:12]
mircea_popescu why, found anything interesting ? [05:12]
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mircea_popescu [05:12]
asciilifeform mathematical view of this: what is the 'mutation-space' surrounding the 'correct' state like. [05:12]
nubbins` Bh4+ [05:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1600 @ 0.00087803 = 1.4048 BTC [+] [05:13]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform somehow in my mental organisation what you propose comes way after a spec [05:13]
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asciilifeform see, ex: 'bit-squatting' [05:13]
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Apocalyptic g3 [05:14]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07299999 = 1.095 BTC [-] {2} [05:14]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 153 @ 0.07344999 = 11.2378 BTC [+] {3} [05:15]
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nubbins` Be7 [05:17]
nubbins` maybe the worst move possible [05:17]
Apocalyptic fxe5 [05:18]
Apocalyptic one of the worse indeed [05:18]
nubbins` not what i was expecting you to do. d6 [05:19]
kakobrekla benkay at least its not jewtube links [05:20]
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Apocalyptic Nxe7+ [05:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.00087844 = 6.5005 BTC [+] {2} [05:22]
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* Now talking on #bitcoin-assets [05:28]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: || - most days worth reading || - all days worth reading [05:28]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Nov 27 22:34:53 2013 [05:28]
Apocalyptic Rf4 [05:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1865 @ 0.00087803 = 1.6375 BTC [-] [05:29]
nubbins` Rae8 [05:30]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0645 = 0.129 BTC [-] {2} [05:31]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.099 = 0.198 BTC [-] {2} [05:31]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-] {2} [05:31]
Apocalyptic Nb3 [05:31]
nubbins` Qa4 [05:32]
Apocalyptic Rh4 [05:33]
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nubbins` Be6 [05:35]
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Apocalyptic Nxc5 [05:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] [05:36]
nubbins` bold [05:36]
nubbins` b5 [05:38]
nubbins` maybe the second worst move possible [05:38]
Apocalyptic what [05:38]
Apocalyptic Nxa4 [05:38]
nubbins` xa4 [05:39]
Apocalyptic Qxa4 [05:39]
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nubbins` Rc6 [05:41]
nubbins` sorry, Rc8 [05:41]
asciilifeform [05:42]
asciilifeform 'guess the gadget' [05:42]
Apocalyptic Bg4 [05:42]
nubbins` hologram machine [05:43]
asciilifeform nubbins`: close. [05:43]
nubbins` always the bridesmaid, never the bride [05:43]
nubbins` g5 [05:44]
asciilifeform 'selective plane illumination' microscope. not relevant to anything, except that the photo inevitably leads to the thought, 'hate to be the one caught in an airport search with this.' [05:44]
Apocalyptic Bxe6 [05:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5908 @ 0.0008699 = 5.1394 BTC [-] [05:44]
nubbins` unless it's a canadian airport [05:45]
nubbins` [05:45]
ozbot Pipe bomb handed back to passenger Skylar Murphy by airport guard - Edmonton - CBC News [05:45]
nubbins` xe6 [05:45]
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Apocalyptic Rh5 [05:46]
nubbins` Ne5 [05:50]
Apocalyptic Qxa7 [05:51]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7269 @ 0.00087031 = 6.3263 BTC [+] [05:51]
nubbins` Nxd3 [05:52]
Apocalyptic Qxh7# [05:53]
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Apocalyptic gg, was bleeding you slowly [05:53]
nubbins` gg, didn't even see that coming :D [05:54]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42883 @ 0.00087653 = 37.5882 BTC [+] [06:02]
ThickAsThieves amusing [06:02]
ThickAsThieves it has Bitcorn, the only naysayer from the NY hearings [06:02]
ThickAsThieves what an unfortunate name [06:02]
nubbins` wait [06:02]
nubbins` that's his actual name? [06:02]
ThickAsThieves maybe not [06:03]
ThickAsThieves hehe [06:03]
nubbins` heh, had to check. apparently not :( [06:03]
ThickAsThieves he called it Bitcorn [06:03]
ThickAsThieves thats how he got the name, ok [06:03]
ThickAsThieves he says some lies [06:03]
ThickAsThieves but isnt totally predictab;e [06:03]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 500 @ 0.00470133 = 2.3507 BTC [-] {7} [06:10]
mike_c i love quants. "if we assume the market is correctly pricing this stock, then we can derive that this stock is overpriced" :) [06:14]
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benkay dat kabbalah [06:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0997 = 0.2991 BTC [+] [06:17]
mike_c ;;later tell herbijudlestoids it would be interesting to analyze s.mpoe price based on 2012 earnings and then see how that analysis would have performed over 2013. [06:18]
gribble The operation succeeded. [06:18]
benkay back test all the things [06:19]
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mircea_popescu i love quants. "if we assume the market is correctly pricing this stock, then we can derive that this stock is overpriced" :) >> pretty much it. [06:30]
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herbijudlestoids guise, i setup a page to grep the log.bitcoin-assets for mentions of my name [06:31]
herbijudlestoids mike_c: if what you quoted is what you took away from the blog post, i guess i must suck at communicating. [06:32]
mike_c you said priced efficiently, no? [06:32]
herbijudlestoids dude. [06:32]
herbijudlestoids i said, if we assume, for the sake of an experiment, that the market has priced efficiently, then this is what its implying as EPS growth [06:32]
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herbijudlestoids theres nowhere that says its overvalued. the point is, you get paid a decent long term return if the implied EPS is <= actual future EPS. if its > then you dont. [06:34]
herbijudlestoids if you can somehow prove the price is (or isnt) locally efficient, then we can talk about how informative the price is [06:35]
mike_c "We are talking a range of 126% - 170% here" << i read into this a tone saying it was too high. not what you were implying? [06:37]
mike_c "that the Market Implied EPS Growth rate for S.MPOE is very, very high." [06:38]
herbijudlestoids ... [06:38]
mike_c very very seems to be impying too high :) [06:38]
herbijudlestoids rest of the paragraph [06:38]
herbijudlestoids "This premium over normal fair values (compare to our earlier SPY example) assigned by the market under assumptions that EPS growth will be very large. Investors who pay the premium today will be rewarded with reasonable returns only if the actual future EPS growth averages at or above this level for a significant period of time. Otherwise the investment can reasonably be expected to provide a poor long term retur [06:38]
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benkay the curse of technical fields [06:39]
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herbijudlestoids is it really so hard to understand? [06:39]
benkay humans operating in those fields frequently lose the ability to communicate with others outside of those narrow, ultraspecialized fields. [06:40]
mike_c i don't care if you are saying it was too high, you are entitled to your opinion. [06:40]
herbijudlestoids mike_c: im not saying too high lol, im saying *this is what the market is implying EPS growth will be* [06:40]
mike_c so you have no opinion on the price? you are just a calculator? [06:40]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 49 @ 0.0053544 = 0.2624 BTC [-] [06:40]
mike_c have an opinion! [06:40]
herbijudlestoids i love people who love quants [06:41]
herbijudlestoids mike_c: whether or not i have an opinion really has shit all to do with the article [06:41]
mike_c ok, so forget the article. i am curious what your opinion is. [06:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50300 @ 0.0008755 = 44.0377 BTC [-] {2} [06:41]
benkay your opinion is what differentiates you from a calculator [06:41]
benkay quants like programmers want to be valued because they can make the numbers do stuff [06:42]
benkay but nearly always forget that the interpretation is where the real money's at [06:42]
benkay so: herbijudlestoids: mpoe: overpriced or no? [06:42]
herbijudlestoids you guys sure are weird sometimes. benkay, the point of the article is to highlight things that people might not know about. if i had some info or opinoin that MPOE was undervalued or overvalued, why would i put it on the blog for morons to see instead of just buying or selling MPOE? [06:42]
mike_c why not do both? talk your book. [06:43]
benkay 'cause nobody's going to read your blog [06:43]
Duffer1 Herbi you should paywall your blog, make them work for it ^.^ [06:43]
benkay yeah and talk your book [06:43]
herbijudlestoids fucken fuck so weird [06:43]
benkay what's weird about talking your book? [06:43]
herbijudlestoids no [06:43]
herbijudlestoids your atittude [06:43]
herbijudlestoids its weird [06:43]
chetty not greedy enough? [06:43]
mike_c you want an opinion out of me? s.nsa is underpriced. go ahead and trade on it. [06:44]
benkay hell yeah nsa's underpriced [06:44]
benkay get super long nsa [06:44]
herbijudlestoids mike_c: well it depends i guess. mircea_popescu was telling me something about 1% being the natural RoR in bitcoin under one calculation but in a different calculation 1000s of % [06:45]
herbijudlestoids if we are operating under assumption of bitcoin economy, i would say its fairly priced, not undervalued [06:45]
benkay loglink? herbijudlestoids [06:45]
mike_c add those thoughts to your post. it will improve it. blog readers like opinions with their stats. [06:45]
Duffer1 herbi got a twitter feed? [06:46]
herbijudlestoids i do but its not bitcoin related Duffer1 [06:46]
mike_c if your opinions can be as polarizing as mp's you can even charge for it. [06:46]
herbijudlestoids mike_c: see that is useful feedback which i appreciate. your earlier comments just get my grill. [06:47]
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mircea_popescu fwiw, i don't think the entire "growth" bs is worth two shits. [06:47]
herbijudlestoids misread the post, misunderstood the point, derogate me based on that [06:47]
mircea_popescu a high price in btc does not reflect an expectation of that thing to grow. [06:47]
mike_c you gotta thicken your skin a bit. you get riled too easy. [06:47]
mircea_popescu to make eps etc comparisons between btc and fiat, fiat must first be converted on a % of m3 basis. [06:47]
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herbijudlestoids there is no fiat involved and i explicitly state so at the end of the article [06:48]
mircea_popescu so inasmuch as google is worth 1% of all dollars today and 1% of all dollars in 2050, a high price of google stock is warranted at all points because google is important [06:48]
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mircea_popescu imaginary "growth" in the interim notwithstanding. [06:48]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids seems to me all notions of growth are imported from fiat. [06:48]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: all securities have an internal rate of return [06:49]
herbijudlestoids if the price of S.MPOE does not include growth, then why am i paying more than its dividend value for it? [06:49]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 35 @ 0.07838228 = 2.7434 BTC [-] {6} [06:49]
herbijudlestoids because its important? [06:49]
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mircea_popescu yep. [06:50]
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mircea_popescu forget rate of return, focus on rate of conservation. [06:50]
Duffer1 do you post that info anywhere MP? [06:51]
herbijudlestoids rate of conservation of ? [06:52]
mircea_popescu what info ? [06:52]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids of btc. [06:52]
Duffer1 conversion rate [06:52]
mircea_popescu well it's all highly speculative, nobody has the first inkling wtf is going on here. [06:52]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: why do i need to buy a security then? the rate of conservation for holding bitcoin is 100% [06:52]
mircea_popescu but im attacking herbi because he's much too immersed into fiat nonsense. [06:52]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids so you think. it is not. [06:52]
mircea_popescu it's 9x% depending how competent you are with wallets and whatnot. [06:53]
mircea_popescu why do people bet on bitbet ? "so they can't spend the btc", sez someone yest. [06:53]
herbijudlestoids and investing in MPOE has ...a better rate of conservation? [06:53]
herbijudlestoids ... [06:53]
mircea_popescu it may. [06:53]
chetty well mine has this silly habit of growing when I don't look too often :) [06:54]
mike_c plus inflation. bitcoins in the sofa will shrink on a % basis. [06:54]
herbijudlestoids chetty: your bitcoins grow? [06:54]
midnightmagic mikaeldice mike_c mircea_popescu MisterE mius mixdio [06:54]
midnightmagic mikaeldice mike_c mircea_popescu MisterE mius mixdio [06:54]
mircea_popescu mike_c this is actually true, tho at the rate we're going by the time btc moneyness reaches balance the remaining inflation will indeed be very low [06:54]
mircea_popescu but i suspect this is the overarching point here : 1% gains over a century are immense, [06:55]
mircea_popescu 1% losses over a century are disastrous. [06:55]
mircea_popescu none of the 15% a year fiat bs. [06:55]
mircea_popescu btc time machine. [06:55]
herbijudlestoids so are you gonna explain it or do i just wallow in my retardedness [06:55]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids ask and be enlightened! [06:56]
herbijudlestoids im asking. you said focus on rate of conservation...i fail to see why i would invest in any security in that case, rather than investing in good wallet practices etc [06:56]
mircea_popescu you could invest in good wallet practices just as well [06:56]
mircea_popescu from what i gather in this chan most do. [06:57]
* herbijudlestoids feeling decidedly unenlightened [06:57]
mircea_popescu apparently you don't ask very good q's :D [06:57]
herbijudlestoids youre saying something like...the rate of return is not important, this other rate, the rate at which an economic activity can "conserve" bitcoins [06:58]
mircea_popescu anyway, let's consider the historical case as it played out. s.mpoe vs pmbs [06:58]
ThickAsThieves so much work to say mpoe is spensive [06:58]
mircea_popescu which is pretty much what everything else is, with sparse exception. [06:59]
mircea_popescu a pmb will reward X% per interval, and decay Y% per interval, with Y > X for all cases. [06:59]
mircea_popescu mpoe is so structured shareholders can only make a gain. thus Y > 0, X =0. [06:59]
mircea_popescu trying to compare those Ys with these Ys misses both points. [07:00]
mircea_popescu X is actually more important than Y. [07:00]
mircea_popescu no other business in the history of business sits in this position of "can only turn a profit" [07:00]
ThickAsThieves well... [07:00]
mircea_popescu consequently models developed for evaluating what are fundamentally pmbs can not usefully be applied. [07:00]
ThickAsThieves can only lot lose money, maybe [07:00]
ThickAsThieves not* [07:01]
ThickAsThieves but even then [07:01]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves yeah, isuppose it can also be 0. [07:01]
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mircea_popescu for that matter, even the s.mpoe mkt cap comparison to an actual comp is broken. [07:01]
mircea_popescu you'd have to compare s.mpoe mkt cap with an actual corp's mktcap - book value [07:02]
mircea_popescu altho that's also not quite accurate. [07:02]
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ThickAsThieves for an many things as herb covered he only scratched the surface [07:02]
mircea_popescu in short... this is a complete nonsensical mess of wires sticking out. [07:02]
Bugpowdurr mircea_popescu: Q about exercise [07:02]
ThickAsThieves the answer is obvious nayway [07:02]
mircea_popescu Bugpowdurr shoot. [07:02]
ThickAsThieves there's only one way to price mpoe [07:02]
ThickAsThieves at market [07:03]
mircea_popescu up ? lol [07:03]
ThickAsThieves tada! [07:03]
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mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids you enlightened any yet ? [07:03]
Bugpowdurr If there are 3000 contracts of an option outstanding sold to bot, then another user creates another 500 contracts, and then exercises them without selling them, does that force the exercise of a fraction of the previously sold options? [07:04]
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mircea_popescu in principle yes. [07:05]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00087279 = 5.2367 BTC [-] [07:06]
mircea_popescu atm the entire option thing is quarantined because of the price signal bs [07:06]
ThickAsThieves when wasnt it bs? [07:06]
mircea_popescu this is finance. bs is fine until it smells. [07:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17735 @ 0.00087258 = 15.4752 BTC [-] {2} [07:07]
ThickAsThieves !b 3 [07:07]
assbot Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( [07:07]
Bugpowdurr So exercising in borkled right now? [07:07]
ThickAsThieves this seems odd to me [07:08]
Bugpowdurr And in theory, a 3rd party could force exercise of someone else's short position by mkopt -> exercise chains? [07:08]
ThickAsThieves to buy options, and not have options [07:08]
herbijudlestoids ThickAsThieves: dude. i did not say MPOE was expensive. [07:09]
ThickAsThieves i did [07:09]
ThickAsThieves that;s what i took from it as well [07:09]
ThickAsThieves overpriced, tomatoe [07:10]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: if the price i pay today for MPOE is more than the total amount of gains that MPOE can bring in over say, 10 years, then it is a bad investment for people looking for assets to invest in for 10 years [07:10]
mircea_popescu Bugpowdurr how would they force someone's short position anyway ? [07:10]
mircea_popescu normally executions are distributed to actual held options randomly, but atm im holding the pre 14th set apart. [07:11]
ThickAsThieves 10 years? [07:11]
Bugpowdurr "Bear in mind that whenever someone exercises options of your symbol you will be allocated a portion of the executions corresponding to your total share of created contracts for that symbol. Thus if you create 100 O.BTCUSD.C50T and someone else creates 150, in case there's an execution of 50 contracts you will be assigned 20 of those." [07:11]
mike_c hm [07:11]
herbijudlestoids no? [07:11]
ThickAsThieves that's like 100years in bitcoin [07:11]
mike_c you know you can sell it when you're done, right? [07:11]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids only if mpoe is to close shop in 10 years. [07:11]
Bugpowdurr I was thinking that someone could deduce whether the whale short the puts had been stopped out by MKOPT / EXERCISE a number of options and see how many were assigned to him vs. other. [07:12]
ThickAsThieves herb the problem with all that really is you can't apply your numbers without making assumptions, but in fact, only one assumption can be made, you're making too many assumptions [07:12]
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mircea_popescu Bugpowdurr in principle this should work. [07:13]
mircea_popescu not in the case at hand tho. [07:13]
Bugpowdurr but doesn't at the moment due to unannounced options segregation [07:13]
Bugpowdurr Damn. [07:13]
Bugpowdurr Also damn, I'm on a network that doesn't let me send BTC. [07:14]
herbijudlestoids mike_c: if im dependent on the ask price at end of life then its a speculation not investment [07:14]
mike_c well, that was part of his point. the pmb will necessarily decay. mpoe won't. [07:14]
herbijudlestoids so, S.MPOE priced at 100BTC per share is just as good an investment as S.MPOE at 0.0000001 per share then [07:14]
herbijudlestoids is that what youre claiming? [07:14]
mike_c i'm not claiming that. [07:14]
herbijudlestoids i must be a complete moron [07:14]
mike_c well you are a quant :) (don't get mad now) [07:14]
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herbijudlestoids ... [07:14]
mike_c hm, try this. would s.mpoe returning 1% a year be the same to you as 7C returning 1% a year? [07:14]
herbijudlestoids 7C? [07:14]
mike_c !t h 7c [07:14]
mike_c nvm, anything on havelock. [07:14]
herbijudlestoids youre talking about two securities, both with the same known future rate of return? [07:14]
mike_c no, i'm talking about with the same historicals (price and eps for last 6 months) [07:14]
herbijudlestoids sure, if so, i would value them identically [07:14]
mike_c oof [07:14]
mike_c really? come on. [07:14]
herbijudlestoids if you know the future rate of return will be the same then yes [07:14]
mike_c i said the same historicals. obviously no one "knows" the future rate of return. [07:14]
herbijudlestoids ok my conn just lagged out sorry reading up those lines [07:14]
herbijudlestoids mike_c: no i wouldnt value shit based on historical data alone? [07:14]
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herbijudlestoids mike_c: i thought the article ...i just wrote...makes it pretty clear? if youre buying one asset based on the 6 month historicals, then the future has to play out in a certain way for your investment to not underperform. [07:14]
mike_c underperform compared to what though. [07:14]
herbijudlestoids compared to just holding BTC and taking no loss! [07:14]
herbijudlestoids mike_c: hold BTC, return 0%, hold overvalued asset for 10Y, sell asset, return -10% [07:14]
herbijudlestoids hold undeprriced asset for 10Y, sell asset, return +10% [07:14]
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herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: i said *asset*. any of them, it doesnt matter. [07:14]
ThickAsThieves what the [07:14]
Bugpowdurr yikes [07:14]
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herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: i am totally fine with valuing MPOE on a book value basis. so what is the current P/B multiple? [07:15]
Bugpowdurr Well... my little crafty experiment is a fail. [07:15]
mircea_popescu mpoe book = 0 [07:15]
mircea_popescu is the problem [07:15]
mircea_popescu so p/b is infinite anyway. [07:15]
Bugpowdurr time for a good night's sleep. [07:15]
Bugpowdurr l8r [07:15]
ThickAsThieves peace [07:15]
mike_c herbi, have you done a dcf on mpoe? [07:16]
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herbijudlestoids if yall were trying to explain something...or make me see some kind of light, im not seeing it [07:17]
herbijudlestoids mike_c: nope [07:17]
mircea_popescu whenever you seem just about to get it you retreat to declaring you ain't getting it [07:17]
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mircea_popescu let's go yet another angle at this. [07:18]
herbijudlestoids pls stick to the angle [07:18]
herbijudlestoids you said focus on rate of conservation [07:18]
mircea_popescu if one continues to interpolate the current difficulty of mining curve, [07:18]
mircea_popescu the future value of bitcoin is pretty much infinite. [07:18]
mircea_popescu this makes the substitute p/b for any other way to get btc in the indefinite future also properly infinite. [07:19]
herbijudlestoids ok, i dont disagree with any of those statements [07:19]
herbijudlestoids i have some experience with the same concept re gold [07:19]
mircea_popescu basically the lot of what i'm saying is that there are no acceptable models to valuate here. [07:19]
mircea_popescu this will need more research rather than simple c/p stuff that really doesn't work in fiat anyway [07:20]
ThickAsThieves well there's one [07:20]
ThickAsThieves ;) [07:20]
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herbijudlestoids .... [07:20]
herbijudlestoids did anyone catch me valuating? [07:20]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves it's an indetermination (inf/inf) it'll have to be somehow resolved [07:20]
herbijudlestoids without me knowing? [07:20]
ThickAsThieves i dont think it can be [07:20]
ThickAsThieves i think it's like a currency rate burdened by indeterminable inflation rates [07:21]
ThickAsThieves can only be priced in the moment [07:21]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids sowhat were you doing ? [07:21]
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ThickAsThieves at market [07:21]
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herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: showing what the market is implying the EPS growth rate will be on an infinite horizon... [07:22]
mircea_popescu well i don't see i could disagree with that. [07:22]
mircea_popescu why are we arguing again ? [07:22]
Duffer1 conversion rate [07:22]
mircea_popescu o wait. we are arguing because you're claiming you can calculate the eps growth. [07:23]
mircea_popescu this is not established. [07:23]
ThickAsThieves cuz someone said if things were different, things would be different or such [07:23]
herbijudlestoids cos you said some bullshit about my focus on growth coming from fiat and that i should focus on the rate of conservation [07:23]
mike_c Duffer1 :) that's the second time. are you deliberately misspelling conservation? [07:23]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids perhaps not the best expression of the concept, but anyway. [07:23]
herbijudlestoids ps: we arent arguing, i am questioning, to understand [07:23]
mircea_popescu what makes you think you can calculate the eps growth rate implied by the market ? [07:24]
Duffer1 mike_c ah thanks i misread conservation [07:24]
mircea_popescu (don't get me wrong, i get the ample wtftude involved here. i humbly submit it's not because of me but because of fundamental issues stemming from the nature of btc) [07:25]
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herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: because the price of MPOE is derived from something. since MPOE is an economic entity, i assume the price is derived from its economic activities. which can be broken down (at base) to earnings and dividends [07:25]
mircea_popescu how do you know this ? [07:26]
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herbijudlestoids how do i know what...that the price of MPOE is derived from economic activities? [07:26]
ThickAsThieves maybe the price is cuz few holders hold most [07:26]
mircea_popescu each and every juncture of it. [07:26]
ThickAsThieves and those 3 guys dont feel like selling [07:26]
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mircea_popescu one example. [07:26]
ThickAsThieves why does the market have to imply anything? [07:26]
ThickAsThieves how does it? [07:27]
mircea_popescu another : maybe s.mpoe is becoming monetized in a particular manner, [07:27]
mike_c the havelock market implies a lot of things [07:27]
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mircea_popescu such as for instance as roughly the equivalent of a discounted us fed [07:27]
mircea_popescu wherein a number of large players keep pushing back and forth holdings of s.mpoe as tokens of credit [07:27]
mircea_popescu that's a theory explored in [07:27]
ThickAsThieves it's cuz Eve [07:28]
mircea_popescu and in general, the safe assumptions in fiat are at the very least suspect in btc. [07:28]
ThickAsThieves and Rift [07:28]
mircea_popescu o btw... the bitcoin guild in rift ? biggest thing on server. [07:28]
mircea_popescu > 700 ppl [07:28]
herbijudlestoids ok maybe i am making some assumptions, but i think those assumptions: 1. that the price of MPOE is derived from something, 2. that MPOE is an economic entity 3. that the price of MPOE is derived from that economic activity [07:28]
ThickAsThieves i contemplated reinstallation... [07:28]
herbijudlestoids those are pretty safe assumptions. [07:28]
mircea_popescu so you say. [07:29]
ThickAsThieves yes it's safe to assume MPOE is a thing with a price [07:29]
herbijudlestoids ... [07:29]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids there's no compelling reason to believe the price of mpoe isn't derived from its value as a currency. [07:30]
ThickAsThieves i just dont see how you could possibly isolate anything useful [07:30]
mike_c is TWTR value derived from its economic activity or from pipe dreams about future potential? [07:30]
herbijudlestoids mike_c: value or price? [07:30]
mircea_popescu twtr value is defo not derived from any economic activity [07:30]
ThickAsThieves how do you factor liquidity? [07:30]
mircea_popescu fb/groupon/etc for that matter either. [07:30]
herbijudlestoids err exactly? right? [07:31]
herbijudlestoids the market implied EPS growth rate for FB/TWTR/GRPN are very very high. not as high as MPOE, but quite high [07:31]
ThickAsThieves people still buy grpn? [07:31]
mircea_popescu but yes, to complete the story : for all you know s.mpoe is the fractionary reserve of the btc superrich. for all you know s.mpoe is the doge of assets. for all you know s.mpoe is the golden ticket people dream with. [07:31]
herbijudlestoids if the economic activity (or lack theroef) in those assets does not provide an appropriate amount of EPS growth [07:31]
ThickAsThieves yeesh [07:31]
herbijudlestoids then investors will underperform relative to holding cash or the index [07:32]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids you seem strangely immune to the currency notion. [07:32]
mircea_popescu what exact economic activity does gold provide ? [07:32]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: no im willing to accept that [07:32]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: store of value which is hoardable without restricting the economy, non dilutable, no counterparty risk, etc [07:33]
mircea_popescu right. that's an angle i can't reduce or disprove. [07:33]
mircea_popescu for that matter, the other angle i can't reduce or disprove is "very small certain income > any other alternative, seeing how all other assets are -EV so far" [07:34]
KRS-One [07:34]
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mircea_popescu and obviously, "dude it's a scam through and through" is a third. [07:34]
mircea_popescu can't fucking apply numeric methods on something this conceptually fragmented. [07:34]
KRS-One .bait [07:34]
herbijudlestoids so? still waiting to understand how my notion of "growth" is imported from fiat and why i should focus on the "rate of conservation" [07:34]
mircea_popescu which is why i love you. [07:34]
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herbijudlestoids i get the idea that hoarding BTC might be bad for the BTC economy, if such a thing existed. [07:35]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids that comment was merely related to version 2. ie, in a market where the average asset yields a solid -50% each six months, [07:35]
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KRS-One love that pic of magical tux [07:35]
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mircea_popescu the value of the only asset which yields a + is pretty muchj... infinite [07:35]
mircea_popescu or unspecified [07:35]
mircea_popescu or "whatever it costs" [07:35]
mircea_popescu very prone to sudden volatility etc [07:35]
herbijudlestoids by the avg asset do you mean the shite on havelock or whatever? [07:35]
mircea_popescu well, glbse, take your pick. bitjam or w/e [07:36]
herbijudlestoids ye [07:36]
mircea_popescu you're in new york, all eateries serve excrement [07:36]
herbijudlestoids so youre talking relative valuation [07:36]
herbijudlestoids i am not. [07:36]
mircea_popescu human, goat, whatever. hispano, jew, you can pick it. [07:36]
herbijudlestoids MPOE is infinitely valuable compared to scams. sure. no worries, no argument. [07:36]
mircea_popescu obviously the seats in the one restaurant which serves food go by "how much people hungry can afford to pay" [07:36]
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herbijudlestoids that is not what im talking about [07:36]
mircea_popescu this is no relation to economic activity. [07:37]
herbijudlestoids err well it totally is though [07:37]
mircea_popescu arguably! [07:37]
mircea_popescu but you need a much more... efficient! market [07:37]
mircea_popescu see ? that's what mike_c was basically saying originally. [07:37]
mircea_popescu currently bitcoin is woefully inefficient : people get beaten into shit, they turn around and reimplement the same thing. [07:37]
mircea_popescu and again and again. [07:38]
herbijudlestoids mike_c originally said that i assumed the market was efficient and therefore MPOE was overpriced. i did not saythat. [07:38]
mircea_popescu that's as antieconical as it gets. [07:38]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids stop being so fragile. he just said you're presuming the market is efficient and therefore oyu're stupid [07:38]
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mircea_popescu i doubt he actually even contemplated the overpriced consideration any [07:38]
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herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: so, for the sake of experiment, we are not allowed to make assumption that MPOE price is locally efficient? thats stupid now? [07:39]
mircea_popescu antieconical lmao. they don't make e-cones zese pplz! [07:39]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids i r sorry but it is. pretty much any assumption of market efficiency in any bitcoin market is touched in the head. [07:40]
mircea_popescu (which again is proven by the diff curve, with its attendant problems, and by the fiat/btc prices, and by a thousand other glimmers) [07:40]
ThickAsThieves it would be less crazy to look at past data to see what that implies for the future [07:41]
herbijudlestoids ThickAsThieves: lolllllllll [07:41]
mircea_popescu not bad lol [07:41]
herbijudlestoids one tells me the assuming the price is efficient is stupid [07:41]
ThickAsThieves :) [07:41]
herbijudlestoids the next tells me you can infer future performance from the past inefficient price [07:41]
mircea_popescu he must have been trollingk [07:41]
mike_c however the altcoin market.. getting tight! 100 satoshi spread on x-bt [07:41]
mike_c fire up the day trading bots [07:42]
mircea_popescu why does nobody have nighttrading bots ? [07:42]
mircea_popescu i imagine they;'d be sexier. [07:42]
herbijudlestoids you cant really daytrade in a 24/7 market [07:42]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids anyway, don't let any of the foregoing impugn on your intelligence or usefulness for the space. [07:42]
mircea_popescu you're being useful. [07:42]
herbijudlestoids daytrading by definition is having no positions at close [07:43]
ThickAsThieves the "all" is silent in daytrading [07:43]
mike_c also, they aren't really "bots". just computer programs. [07:43]
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mircea_popescu actually because of how credit works you can sort-of rolling-window-daytrade [07:43]
mircea_popescu as in, not have to rollover any day/week/whatever loans [07:43]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: like i said earlier. i dont view this as an argument, when i question it is just to learn. i am always willing to consider an opinion or formula or whatever, even if i dont accept it in the end. [07:44]
herbijudlestoids if you tell me something i dont understand, i will question. not to defend my existing view, which im happy to discard given evidence. [07:44]
mircea_popescu yeah but chat gets pretty hot and you're new, so. one never knows. [07:44]
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chetty [07:44]
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mircea_popescu now that's cool [07:45]
ozbot Google NGram Experiments | Information Is Beautiful [07:45]
herbijudlestoids i like the ngram viewer much more than google trends [07:45]
herbijudlestoids but the data is not as realtime as trends [07:46]
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mircea_popescu lol they have 5bn books and what they do with it is compare faggot to retard and ketchup to salsa. [07:47]
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mircea_popescu very well armed intellectually these peoples. [07:47]
chetty its never the tools fault [07:47]
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herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: worse they present the data as if it was clear cut that now people like salsa more than ketchup, but there is probly algorithmic/computational reasons more than historical ones [07:48]
herbijudlestoids anyway. i cant stick around. i just came because mike_c said i said MPOE was overvalued. [07:49]
herbijudlestoids to be clear, if the RoR is 1%, its fairly valued, or slightly undervalued. [07:49]
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mircea_popescu cool [07:55]
Duffer1 .d [07:57]
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cads Wow these poor pokemon bastards have been stuck in a maze for 24 hours now. [08:02]
cads today it reached a new high - 75 thousand people mashing buttons desperately trying to get past what would normally take two minutes for a single player. [08:03]
cazalla what's that about cad? [08:04]
cazalla cads* [08:04]
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cads It's a completely absurd social experiment. Someone created a video feed of a pokemon game, and fed it to a well known distributor of live videogame video feeds, [08:05]
cads In the chat room (which is a regular IRC chatroom operated by the broadcaster placed a bot that would interpret messages from players as key presses: players may register to the site to go on the chat and type "up" "down", "a", "b", etc. [08:06]
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cazalla watching now [08:06]
cazalla btw my brother had the WR for fastest complete time for pokemon red on twin galaxies [08:07]
cazalla not sure if it still stands, this is years ago [08:07]
cads wow, definitely show him this [08:07]
cazalla we don't talk lol, not for years [08:07]
cads hehe [08:07]
cads sorry to hear [08:07]
cads (he probably knows anyways) [08:07]
cads everyone in the pokemon world is hearing about this if only because it's been tainting the pokemon memes. [08:08]
cazalla not sure if he still follows it, this was during uni for him [08:08]
cazalla i need to finish the latest one that came out [08:09]
cazalla only 3 or 4 badges done [08:09]
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mircea_popescu wtf is the pokemon world o.o [08:09]
cads millions of people wasting billions of hours producing and consuming pokemon memes and other fan content [08:10]
cads along with the multinationals feeding off of them. [08:11]
cazalla shame they are yet to make mmorpg for pokemon [08:11]
cads It would be hard to mess that up. [08:12]
Duffer1 have you seen wildstar? [08:13]
mircea_popescu you mean past the age of 12 ?! [08:13]
Duffer1 some people dedicate lots of effort and money into fucking things up [08:13]
cads mircea_popescu: Do you know about ponies? [08:14]
cazalla yeah but i don't have the time for mmos anymore like wildstar [08:14]
mircea_popescu cads i know little girls ride them, occasionally... [08:14]
cads in the 21st century, little girls and middle aged men alike love ponies. [08:15]
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cads it is highly disturbing. [08:15]
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cads to see a man fawning over cute animated My Little Ponies [08:16]
cads but the profit [08:16]
cads oh the profit. [08:16]
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mircea_popescu uh. [08:16]
mircea_popescu so bascially in the 21st century middle aged men are mentally infantile. [08:17]
mircea_popescu girls used to mature a coupla years before boys, [08:17]
cazalla pokemon and bronies are unrelated [08:17]
mircea_popescu now it's a coupla decades. [08:17]
cads cazalla: they're both products that are being enjoyed by an increasingly long tail of originally unexpected users [08:17]
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Duffer1 i don't know if there's support for that statement caz hehe [08:17]
cazalla they're good games though [08:18]
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cazalla and most gamers are adults afterall [08:18]
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cazalla so you can't compare the 2 things [08:19]
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Namworld Hmm... has a clear lack of capital. [08:20]
cads mircea_popescu: so 'moe' is a style of anime synonymous with "cute" and "budding" charachters that you want to lovingly "protect", and it's very popular with young girl audiences and middle aged male audiences. [08:20]
mircea_popescu that i heard of. [08:20]
cads My little pony was a failing toy brand that was rebranded by the hasbro corporation into a moe cartoon series called My little pony: friendship is magic. It was aimed at little girls but featured good writing and character design and pretty soon had a huge fan base of "bronies" [08:21]
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cads these are "bros" that love my little pony. [08:21]
mircea_popescu ie all the people who find child porn either too expensive, too risky, or too socially inacceptable to directly discuss. [08:22]
cads that's about it, except behind the scenes of course there's all sorts of disgusting pony porn and yeah, I think you hit it on the head [08:22]
jurov bronies are middle age? i thought it's teenagers [08:22]
mircea_popescu which is how i got to hear about it, the anthropologists keeping track of the decay of the us cultural space noticed that it's not just that holywood can't make a film that's not either a very bad socialist tract or else a drug chain [08:23]
cads jurov: I'd hope the mass majority are teenagers [08:24]
mircea_popescu but moreover the prevalence of pedophilia is such that it look smore like the bitcoin hash debit than anything. [08:24]
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Namworld To me, "moe" can only mean Moe Szyslak. Nothing more. [08:25]
cads jurov: there was the case of the 30-something that was fired from his job. [08:25]
Namworld jurov, I thought bronies were mostly little girls under 10 and guys 30-50. [08:25]
Namworld With some huge age gap in-between [08:26]
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cads Namworld: one of my exes has a 17 year old brother who is a brony. Kid is a robotics genius, and a ... pony genius. [08:26]
cads *shrug* [08:26]
Namworld eh [08:26]
jurov i guess these males got it inflicted upon them in the 1990s when original ponies aired [08:27]
cads I've got another friend and she has a brother that has an actual pony stamp tattoo. [08:27]
cads rainbow dash's storm cloud [08:28]
cads I myself know entirely too much my little pony stuff to not be afraid. [08:28]
cads *shrug* - meme poisoning [08:28]
cads jurov: I dunno, ponies were never in the male culture growing up, at best I would have seen commercials [08:31]
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cads _maybe_ it's a sort of childhood brand recognition [08:32]
cads the really astounding thing with this and other memes in general is how much actual work goes into creating and distributing, discussing, criticizing, 'debating' memes. [08:33]
cads and how it's come to pass that corporations profit off of this content as if they made it, just by hosting it [08:34]
jurov i do remember them, it was a biggie for some time. fortunately i was not allowed much tv then [08:34]
mircea_popescu cads so how much profit exactly are we talking here ? [08:35]
Namworld I didn't have cable until like 2000 and I don't know when we got Internet... probably so late. [08:35]
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cads Well like pageviews -> $s it's hard to quantify. It's a non-monetized time waste with leeches sucking at each juncture, so I'm not sure where to begin speculating on the profit [08:37]
mircea_popescu it is "hard to quantify" ? [08:37]
mircea_popescu what are you, in derp mode ? [08:37]
mircea_popescu Hasbro Reports Fourth Quarter and Full-Year 2013 Financial Results and Declares an Increase in Quarterly Dividend to $0.43 per Share [08:37]
mircea_popescu 2013 full-year net revenues of $4.08 billion were flat with 2012 revenues of $4.09 billion; [08:37]
cads we have to look at aqcuisitions of large media providers like youtube and tumblr [08:38]
mircea_popescu 2013 full-year net earnings were $372.4 million [08:38]
Namworld Advertising revenue is easy to quantify... [08:38]
mircea_popescu so the owner made like 400mn total, and they sell a lot of crap other than this stale meme. [08:38]
mircea_popescu let's call it 100mn generously and forget about it, [08:38]
cads Namworld: but the advertising revenue from people sharing memes? [08:38]
mircea_popescu it barely pays for a decent corporate jet. [08:38]
mircea_popescu cads i just did. [08:39]
cads mircea_popescu: my claim is that media distributors like youtube and facebook profit from hosting this unlicensed community created meme content, which is typically considered much more entertaining in itself than anything like the cartoons, dvds, or plushies made by the company. [08:41]
jurov hahaha what wikipedia has to say: According to Margaret Loesch, CEO of The Hub, revisiting properties that had worked in the past was an important programming decision, influenced to an extent by the opinions of the network's programming executives, a number of whom were once fans of such shows. [08:42]
jurov doubt these executives were female [08:42]
mircea_popescu cads so you're saying that the owner's profits from the franchise are dwarfed by the various leeches' ? [08:43]
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mircea_popescu this proposition is frequently revisited but empirically always shown to be false. [08:44]
mircea_popescu it has a lengthy tradition i nthe ip business. [08:44]
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jurov [08:49]
ozbot In election year, Romania debates giving human rights to dolphins [08:50]
jurov and we have MP who lives off air and exchanges love with aliens, too :D [08:50]
jurov and wants to be a president [08:50]
cads I mean, youtube was acquired in 06 for 1.5 $bn of google stock. In the mean time google has grown to from 400 to 1200 a share. Suppose youtube grew proportionally with that and it's valued at $6bn. However youtube has grown far beyond what most people imagined. A 2012 boast from google values youtube at around $56bn. [08:50]
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cads I don't think it makes sense to pretend youtube does anything other than make money off of other people's (chumps) content [08:53]
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cads and it's also hard for nintendo to tell youtube that some 12 year old kids' world record playthrough of pokemon needs to funnel back some ad money to nintendo [08:55]
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cads I mean, stupid shit like this live actions reenactment that got umpteen million views and pays the living wages of some internet famous douchebags, while putting 80% of the revenue into the coffers of youtube. [08:57]
cads [08:58]
ozbot POKEMON IN REAL LIFE - YouTube [08:58]
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cads The big social media aggregators - facebook, twitter, youtube, tumblr, basically make billions of market captilization / acquisitions, and all they do is hold onto content that users have put there willingly under a license that gives the corporation full rights to the content until it is deleted by the user. [09:06]
cads So these billion dollar valuations are all due to the fact that people are too stupid to run distributed media channels or protest a bad contract clause and are willing to sit through advertisements. [09:07]
jurov cads, where would you put a video you suspect may get mildly popular? on your adsl? pay for a webhosting? [09:09]
cads if I was making a revenue stream the latter sounds ideal, but of course I understand that my revenue stream would be even _bigger_ if I syndicate my content with youtube. [09:10]
cads their marginal cost is so much smaller than mine [09:11]
cads to them they don't even notice if I get slashdotted. For me it might take me out of business for a day. [09:11]
mircea_popescu cads so basically you'd like this to be worth a lot is what igather. [09:11]
jurov also, i do run misc p2p stuff and even with 60mbit uplink on my home connection i get annoying dns resolving problems occassionally [09:12]
cads not a lot, but enough to be worth studying [09:12]
mircea_popescu maybe. [09:12]
mircea_popescu you have a large number of mistaken assumptions baked in, tho. [09:12]
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mircea_popescu " make billions of market captilization / acquisitions, and all they do is hold onto content that users have put there willingly under a license that gives" [09:13]
mircea_popescu there is absolutely no relation between the content bs and the acquisitions/mkt cap game. [09:13]
mircea_popescu none. [09:13]
mircea_popescu if one day btc-e pulls a vircurex and lists itself as an asset, and pumps the price like they do [09:13]
mircea_popescu you going on about how the trollbox is worth thousands of btc because some scammer somewhere traded what he purpots to be 1% of some crap with himself at an implied valuation of fiddy billion [09:14]
mircea_popescu would be equally ridiculous. [09:14]
mircea_popescu the trollbox may have some value, but that value is not visible in how much doge goes for. [09:14]
Mats_cd03 how important is having more nodes, exactly [09:17]
Mats_cd03 is it measurable at all [09:17]
mircea_popescu i suspect it's one of those things like wearing condoms [09:18]
mircea_popescu one day we'll find out exactly how important it would have been [09:18]
jurov Mats_cd03: for me it makes clear difference that my txs propagate nicely [09:18]
jurov that's all i need to know [09:18]
Mats_cd03 i wonder how much bandwidth the network consumes [09:19]
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Mats_cd03 i wouldnt mind running a node if i knew what i was contributing [09:20]
mircea_popescu so run one, it helps. [09:20]
mircea_popescu doesn't eat that much bw, kbps. [09:20]
Mats_cd03 would 2tb/month be enough [09:20]
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mircea_popescu ;;calc 2000000 / 30 /24/3600 [09:20]
* jurov looks [09:20]
gribble 0.771604938272 [09:20]
mircea_popescu definitely [09:21]
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mircea_popescu it doesn't do 771 kbps, it does something like 30 [09:21]
jurov up 46 days,TX packets 1728363356 bytes 1580097315893 (1.4 TiB) [09:21]
Mats_cd03 ill start a droplet [09:22]
cads blah I hate how easy hard math turns out to be after a couple years of study. That makes you feel like you were an idiot 2 years ago. [09:22]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 1400000/46 / 30 / 24 / 3600 [09:22]
gribble 0.011741814278 [09:22]
jurov bitcoind does cause 10mbit+ spikes, if someone with ssd pulls the blockchain from me [09:22]
cads And the difficulty of the math you're currently studying assures you feel like an idiot presently. [09:22]
jurov but it averages out [09:22]
mircea_popescu cads wut ? [09:23]
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Mats_cd03 i have $60 in digital ocean credit so its all good [09:23]
cads mircea_popescu: math that kicked my ass 2 years ago is now super trivial, and yet the math that's kicking my ass today still seems tough [09:25]
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mircea_popescu how it goes hehe [09:25]
cads I should just smartly recognize that it's just as trivial as the old math, and solve it just as easily in one stroke [09:26]
cads but alas [09:26]
mircea_popescu lol [09:27]
mircea_popescu the girl you love today has but a cunt just like your ex [09:27]
mircea_popescu you should smartly recognise they're just the same and be done with it [09:27]
mircea_popescu but alas. [09:27]
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MisterE LMAO: [09:44]
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cads hmm, a year ago reddit raised a million dollars an a 400 million dolar valuation [09:47]
cads can you guys suggest a business model for reddit that would actually make money? [09:48]
cads it already had 18 million in the bank [09:49]
cads the reason they took the million is to open the business for buyin and input from silicon valley investors [09:51]
cads when they were spun out in 2011 they started with 20 mil, and they have been operating the popular online social forum and news syndication site with a "very lean staff" [09:52]
cads so they eat about a million of each year and there's really no way I can see for them to make money [09:53]
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Duffer1 it will be interesting to see if they'll be able to unobtrusively monetize the site [09:54]
cads the funny thing is they think they're going to be able to get non-shitty ideas from VCs with 5% buyins. [09:55]
cads I dunno [09:56]
cads what would you guys do? [09:56]
cads jurov, mp? Duffer1, you're a reddit fan? [09:57]
Duffer1 ya they've essentially said they're not creative enough to figure it out, so at least they recognized they need help [09:57]
jurov do about what? monetizing reddit? [09:57]
Duffer1 it has intrinsic flaws that make me not read the comments, but i still browse daily for headlines [09:58]
cads "we spent half a mill on consultants alone so far and nothing. Time to bring in the leeches" [09:58]
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Duffer1 i don't believe that will end well for them, but i'm not creative enough to figure it out either so who am i to say [09:59]
cads jurov: yeah, they need a business plan because right now they just give a fun free news platform for all [10:00]
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cads a reddit video news channel? [10:01]
Duffer1 the comments are already weaponsgrade stupid, perhaps the us military will step up to fund the disinformation platform of the new century [10:01]
Duffer1 reddit has infinite value to any organization looking to shape american perceptions [10:02]
cads "we have the power to determine when trolls swarm a topic" [10:03]
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MisterE cads: some richpeople will step in and fund reddit [10:04]
cads just a tiny parameter tweak in the voting mechanism [10:04]
MisterE like they did BSD [10:04]
MisterE reddit is going nowhere [10:04]
MisterE just like wiki [10:04]
cads independently rich tech types? [10:04]
MisterE yea [10:04]
cads that just love their reddit and coffee? [10:04]
MisterE a Ellison or Bezos [10:04]
MisterE an* [10:04]
MisterE yea and becasue Swartz started it [10:05]
MisterE reddit was a cliquey thing before it blew up and most were techies / libertarians [10:05]
MisterE I wish someone would do a docu on reddit [10:06]
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cads On the plus side if it ever goes down nerds will just put it back up [10:07]
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MisterE ^ this too [10:08]
MisterE like TPB it's well mirrored [10:08]
cads haha, slashdot seems to be doing better [10:11]
cads ish. [10:11]
cads they started a tv channel a couple years ago, and were acquired for 20 mil by a holding company that same year. [10:11]
cads apparently last october the company rolled out some interface changes that have incited the users into anger. The users "Slashcotted" slashdot this past week :P [10:13]
MisterE yea we boycotted them all last week [10:16]
MisterE I unsubbed from newsletter [10:16]
MisterE etc. [10:16]
MisterE getting most from Ars now [10:16]
MisterE still /. fills a niche no one else does [10:16]
MisterE their comment threading is shit and the beta made it much worse [10:17]
MisterE community pushed back and CmdrTaco kept ramming it down our throats [10:17]
cads ? [10:17]
MisterE I think he learned his lesson he posted a mea culpa [10:17]
MisterE sec I get linky [10:18]
MisterE this kinda started it: [10:20]
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MisterE cads: the fuckers pulled it from the site [10:25]
MisterE ty [10:27]
MisterE yea [10:28]
MisterE I have a 5 digit uid too! [10:29]
MisterE it's always been a somewhat benevolent dictatorship [10:29]
MisterE yes [10:30]
MisterE 3 millionish [10:30]
MisterE [10:33]
ozbot Slashdot Tries Something New; Audience Responds - Slashdot [10:33]
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MisterE fuck them for taking down their mea culpa [10:41]
* MisterE I'm a send him a can of Spotted Dick: [10:41]
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Vexual hi [10:57]
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Vexual r3wt was ere? [10:59]
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Vexual i think i can guess the mad genius that orchestrated that [11:00]
jurov hi Vex, indeed [11:01]
Vexual hey jurov, did i spell orchestrated incorrectly? ;) [11:01]
jurov why? [11:01]
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Vexual jj you often seem to correct my spelling when im tipsy, which i like [11:02]
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jurov no you spelled that correctly afaik. i was referring to content, it was very lulzy [11:04]
jurov within 5 minutes we have shown he doesn't know php or js [11:05]
Vexual id like to speak to r3wt [11:05]
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jurov maybe he'll come back, he seems eager lo learn [11:07]
MisterE why would someone claim they know php / js and don't? [11:07]
MisterE like you can't fool people [11:07]
benkay one can hop from scam to scam quite handily doing that for a while [11:09]
benkay the internet is a biiiig place [11:09]
Vexual and small [11:09]
benkay some say [11:09]
benkay cost of identity is still low [11:10]
benkay we'll see how things change when that does [11:10]
benkay in other news i offered a startup against whose api i'm working a deal on some documentation [11:10]
benkay their poor devs were like "oh god yes save us from the documentation" [11:11]
benkay (all unaware of my inability to correctly satoshize a bitcoin) [11:11]
Vexual lol [11:11]
benkay few days go by [11:11]
benkay "hey dudes, here ams rate sheet, figure you only will be interested in 1/4 time" [11:12]
benkay *sigh* [11:12]
benkay whatever happened to getting the job done? [11:12]
Vexual yeah it's these managerial types [11:12]
benkay it's hilarious [11:13]
benkay their previous startup has burned through like 20M in capital, and isn't even dead yet [11:13]
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benkay bankruptcy walking, but the sharks are still just circling. [11:14]
benkay praying for a successful pivot, i warrant. [11:14]
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Vexual you might like to try an alcohol habit, come back from lunch saying "hang on a darn tooter!" [11:17]
Vexual not relly [11:17]
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benkay i kinda think fuck single page javascript apps [11:20]
benkay but that's a damn hard line to hold in this consulting environment [11:20]
benkay wait no hang on they're great in some applications [11:20]
benkay argh engineering what even ams a tradeoff [11:21]
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moiety mowning all [12:07]
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ozbot Graphene nanoribbons could be the savior of Moore’s Law | ExtremeTech [12:11]
jurov what would you use 1e12 transistors for? you'd need to parallelize everything on order of 1e3 [12:12]
jurov that's really useful only for mining and such [12:13]
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Namworld Eh: [12:25]
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moiety hahaha [12:39]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3004 @ 0.0001901 = 0.5711 BTC [+] {6} [14:52]
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davout Apocalyptic: encore une victoire pour canard [15:58]
Apocalyptic heh [15:58]
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nubbins` absent cads: i had a tenant who was an adult male brony, also 80% sure he was a pedophile [16:06]
nubbins` mircea_popescu: romania has dolphins?! [16:07]
asciilifeform perhaps in soviet-era military delphinarium? [16:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24775 @ 0.00086451 = 21.4182 BTC [-] [16:11]
asciilifeform (where the beasts were taught to fight with knives) [16:11]
nubbins` oh, wait, romania borders the black sea, doesn't it [16:12]
nubbins` for some reason i pictured it as being landlocked [16:12]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.1 = 0.6 BTC [+] [16:12]
ThickAsThieves first Neo branch is built out: [16:15]
gx ThickAsThieves what's that? [16:16]
gx looks sexy [16:16]
nubbins` fancy [16:17]
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gx doesnt look like a lot of room for storage tho :P [16:18]
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gx haha [16:18]
nubbins` why do people bother with masked hostnames on irc [16:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30800 @ 0.00086343 = 26.5936 BTC [-] {2} [16:18]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 305 @ 0.000845 = 0.2577 BTC [+] [16:19]
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ThickAsThieves bitcoins dont take much space ;) [16:31]
ThickAsThieves also note they occupy the 2nd and 3rd floor of that same building [16:31]
gx what is neo? [16:31]
gx i can only hope that someday our offices for coinigy are 1/2 as cool looking [16:31]
ThickAsThieves a bitcoin un-bank [16:32]
ThickAsThieves i never sorted out a perfect term for it [16:32]
ThickAsThieves I suggest coining "finserv: [16:32]
ThickAsThieves finserv [16:32]
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ThickAsThieves suggested* [16:32]
ThickAsThieves [16:33]
ThickAsThieves casinobitcoin guy is mad at me now [16:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.072 = 0.792 BTC [+] [16:34]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 323 @ 0.002991 = 0.9661 BTC [+] [16:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15650 @ 0.00086246 = 13.4975 BTC [-] [16:40]
nubbins` why's that, you held up a mirror? [16:40]
nubbins` [16:41]
ozbot Need btc Donations for Kidney Transplant [16:41]
nubbins` sounds legit [16:41]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 34 @ 0.058965 = 2.0048 BTC [-] {5} [16:42]
ThickAsThieves pretty much [16:42]
nubbins` best way to get people mad at ya [16:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.00086475 = 22.8294 BTC [+] {2} [16:43]
ThickAsThieves mpoe-pr made the mirror [16:43]
ThickAsThieves i just said 'hey look' [16:43]
nubbins` that's a thing she does, yep [16:43]
nubbins` less entertaining than it once was. i think she's getting tired [16:44]
ThickAsThieves i wrote him a respectful insightful reply [16:44]
ThickAsThieves maybe he listens [16:44]
ThickAsThieves i think she just needs better targets [16:44]
ThickAsThieves with BTCT, etc gone [16:44]
ThickAsThieves slim pickins [16:44]
ThickAsThieves unless you wanna take CryptoStocks srsly [16:44]
ThickAsThieves candy crush is gonna IPO, lol [16:45]
nubbins` well, poking fun at tweedleherp and tweedlederp can onl... wait, really? [16:45]
ThickAsThieves "better to burn out than to fade away" [16:45]
nubbins` candy crush: the saga continues [16:46]
ThickAsThieves [16:46]
nubbins` they should get wu-tang to do them a theme song [16:46]
ozbot King Digital, in IPO Filing, Crushes It on Revenue, Profit - MoneyBeat - WSJ [16:46]
ThickAsThieves King Digital sounds like a rap name too [16:46]
nubbins` nod [16:46]
ThickAsThieves [16:48]
ozbot Could there be a $50,000 bitcoin? - Term Sheet [16:48]
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ThickAsThieves another banker death [16:49]
ThickAsThieves "Police described that death as non-suspicious." lol [16:50]
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nubbins`!AF9F9299-F538-4892-AC37-A143AB85D523 [16:50]
nubbins` that's a large amount of url [16:50]
ozbot Video - FAA Grounds Drone Beer Delivery Service - [16:51]
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nubbins` "police described the death as no big deal" [16:51]
ThickAsThieves hmm there's a new WSJ Karpeles interview? [16:52]
ThickAsThieves must find [16:52]
ThickAsThieves [16:54]
ozbot Mt. Gox Shows Bitcoin's Growing Pains - [16:54]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 139 @ 0.002991 = 0.4157 BTC [+] [16:54]
ThickAsThieves "In the email interview, Mr. Karpelès responded to questions about the company's solvency or protection for customers' funds by saying that the matter is confidential. " [16:55]
ThickAsThieves i cant find said interview [16:55]
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nubbins` "i can't comment on whether or not we're insolvent, that's confidential" [16:56]
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ThickAsThieves lol [16:59]
ThickAsThieves insane [16:59]
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ThickAsThieves CBTC guy declined my advice [17:00]
ThickAsThieves oh well [17:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.097 = 0.582 BTC [-] [17:02]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.16230094 = 0.4869 BTC [-] [17:07]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.0243001 = 0.486 BTC [-] {3} [17:08]
ThickAsThieves in case anyone wants to light up a comment section: [17:10]
ThickAsThieves the author: "Kent spent a decade in the trenches trading, researching, and writing about equities and options. A advocate for civil liberties and open information, he produces and performs cyberpunk music as SEVEN7HWAVE. Currently Kent oversees digital marketing for Pixorial - a disruptive video and photo sharing service." [17:11]
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nubbins` SEVEN7HWAVE [17:13]
nubbins` fucking brutal [17:13]
nubbins` THIR13EN GHOSTS [17:13]
nubbins` SE7EN [17:13]
nubbins` SU6K MY DI6K [17:13]
nubbins` "a disruptive website" [17:14]
nubbins` "cyberpunk" [17:14]
ThickAsThieves disruptive tweets [17:14]
nubbins` they forgot to mention that he's obviously an insufferable twat [17:14]
ThickAsThieves you forgot to use decentralized [17:14]
ThickAsThieves he [17:14]
nubbins` boy, these photos and videos sure are disrupting me [17:14]
nubbins` his music is disruptive [17:14]
nubbins` MCing shows via wi-fi [17:15]
nubbins` cybercloudpunk [17:15]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35819 @ 0.00086498 = 30.9827 BTC [+] {3} [17:17]
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gx can someone give me the lowdown on how MPEX works [17:20]
gx is it something i can actually throw BTC in and trade on? [17:20]
ThickAsThieves it is [17:20]
gx oh, i see the faq now [17:20]
kakobrekla check the missing manual [17:20]
gx so i assume it's all api-based [17:20]
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kakobrekla i use it by hand [17:22]
kakobrekla but i think im one of the few [17:22]
gx ah, i see [17:23]
gx this looks interesting [17:23]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 422 @ 0.00299201 = 1.2626 BTC [+] {2} [17:23]
gx need a 30 btc minimum buy in? [17:24]
kakobrekla or use [17:24]
kakobrekla ;;google mpex missing manual [17:24]
gribble MPEx Missing Manual : BitcoinStocks - Reddit: ; MPEx: The Missing Manual 6 - Options - serialized delusions: ; MPEx: The Missing Manual 5 - Account statements and transfers ...: [17:24]
gx thx [17:25]
kakobrekla bah, same thing as to mp happend to me [17:26]
kakobrekla a safety check i coded long ago and forgotten about it - fuckin up my trades [17:26]
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ThickAsThieves ok i commented: [17:41]
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TomServo ThickAsThieves: Quite insightful. [17:48]
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CiPi [17:49]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07344999 = 0.2203 BTC [+] {2} [17:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16150 @ 0.00087066 = 14.0612 BTC [+] [17:50]
ThickAsThieves ty [17:50]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07345 = 1.1018 BTC [+] [17:53]
ThickAsThieves lol: [17:53]
ThickAsThieves this is stickied in the noobie forum [17:53]
ThickAsThieves i'm finally eligible for "Hero" on the forums, but my activity is not high enough [17:54]
ThickAsThieves yeesh [17:54]
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ThickAsThieves CBTC added all the unsold shares to the market so HL would display the cap "properly", not bad i guess, but now people have to worry whether they are sold on the sly [17:56]
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ThickAsThieves lol at the D1 [17:58]
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TomServo Wow. There is more than one person that labels their music "cyberpunk". dafuqever. [18:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22961 @ 0.00086302 = 19.8158 BTC [-] [18:09]
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Jere_Jones Is there any way to reclaim my nick in WOT if I lost the key or am I just SOL? (yeah, I know I shouldn't have lost the key in the first place) [18:22]
BingoBoingo Jere_Jones: Polite letter to the NSA? [18:22]
Jere_Jones Think they could find my key for me? :) [18:23]
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ThickAsThieves did you register both key types? [18:25]
ThickAsThieves and lose both? [18:25]
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Jere_Jones I only registered a gpg key. [18:27]
kakobrekla even using one key to dispute another is a questionable practice [18:27]
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KRS-One its just best to post both keys to pastebin so you can get them any time [18:29]
kakobrekla i think pastebins expire [18:29]
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mod6 dpaste [18:29]
kakobrekla those too afaik [18:30]
KRS-One wow i thought they had a perm option [18:30]
Jere_Jones My options seem to be: 1) Dig through old hard drives in an almost futile effort to find the keys or 2) Establish a new nick [18:30]
kakobrekla well how strong is your wot? [18:31]
kakobrekla you can ask people who rated you to rate you again on the new handle if you can convince them so [18:31]
Jere_Jones A single rating from 3 years ago. [18:31]
ThickAsThieves lol [18:31]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 14 @ 0.09992857 = 1.399 BTC [+] {2} [18:31]
Jere_Jones It is the age of the nick that I would like to preserve and the nick itself because that it is what I use everywhere. [18:32]
pankkake understandable [18:32]
pankkake tip for next time: save a revocation key :) [18:32]
Jere_Jones Also, don't lose the keys. At the time, I didn't see any real value in the wot and thus treated my keys as disposable. [18:33]
Jere_Jones Shame on me. [18:33]
jurov why don't just back up whole /home? [18:34]
jurov gugabytes of cloud storage are cheap nowadays [18:34]
Jere_Jones Of course, *now* I would do things differently. [18:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27169 @ 0.00086246 = 23.4322 BTC [-] {3} [18:36]
jurov but you still aren't :D [18:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1031 @ 0.00086168 = 0.8884 BTC [-] [18:37]
pankkake backup your gpg key to the cloud? lol [18:38]
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ThickAsThieves just name it niggers.conf [18:38]
jurov why not? once protected by, say, duplicity passphrase, second time by gpg passphrase [18:39]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 740 @ 0.00020198 = 0.1495 BTC [+] {4} [18:39]
jurov afaik gpg never saves unencrypted keys to disk [18:39]
pankkake yeah, with strong enough passphrases you should be ok [18:41]
pankkake my "cloud" (not really, dedicated servers with FDE!) backups are actually encrypted to my gpg key [18:42]
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jcpham i name my wallet backups porno.avi [18:48]
kakobrekla you shouldnt be saying that in public [18:48]
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pankkake jcpham: people would want to look at porno.avi [18:53]
pankkake mine is much more sneakier! [18:53]
jcpham kakobrekla is it more or less deceptive if I just made that up [18:54]
jcpham I'm not sure. [18:54]
kakobrekla on right, in reality its under wallet.dat [18:55]
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jcpham because realmedia [18:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11174 @ 0.00086487 = 9.6641 BTC [+] [18:56]
jcpham i lost all of my bitcoins to scams, anyways [18:59]
jcpham labcoin IPO wiped me out [18:59]
mod6 O_O [18:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.52303333 = 1.5691 BTC [-] {2} [18:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.70014252 BTC to 2`116 shares, 80347 satoshi per share [18:59]
pankkake save it for the tax man [18:59]
jcpham sitting on 18k doge though [18:59]
kakobrekla he is trolling ,i hope [18:59]
jcpham excuse my 19k doge [18:59]
jcpham it's a cautionary tale. all bitcoin investments are scams [19:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.523 = 2.092 BTC [-] {2} [19:00]
jcpham except the ones that aren't [19:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.522 BTC [-] [19:01]
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benkay good morning, assettes [19:58]
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ThickAsThieves ola [20:00]
jurov ciao [20:01]
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deadweasel hey benkay [20:08]
benkay sir [20:08]
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benkay heh. "low cost bitcoin atm" [20:10]
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benkay this will end well [20:10]
benkay !t h rent [20:10]
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ThickAsThieves [20:17]
ozbot VH1 Orders 'Naked Dating' Series (Exclusive) [20:18]
bones` black bars [20:19]
bones` across the naughty bits [20:19]
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bones` To protect the children who live on a remote rural area with no access to internet who still have yet to see "little tits, big tits, massive tits that have smaller tits orbiting around them" [20:21]
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bones` 8 year olds have smartphones, they are looking at it sans the education part [20:22]
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mircea_popescu The European Union’s Directorate-General for Internal Policies Riccardo Ribera d’Alcala who authored the plan wrote, “The use of stigmatizing labels should be ended, and the pejorative term ‘bankruptcy’ should be replaced with the more neutral ‘debt adjustment.’” [20:36]
mircea_popescu the pejorative term for a thief should also be replaced with the less neutral ribera d'alcala. [20:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.002989 = 0.2989 BTC [-] {2} [20:36]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell nubbins` exactly as asciilifeform sez. [20:37]
gribble The operation succeeded. [20:37]
Chris_Sabian_ when does Neo go live? [20:37]
ThickAsThieves Feb 24th [20:38]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell cads reddit will definitely make money from doge tips. [20:39]
gribble The operation succeeded. [20:39]
mircea_popescu [20:39]
deadweasel Diablo-D3: << no point, just naked idiots with their bushes, in the bush. [20:40]
deadweasel naked sells ads, moar naked! [20:40]
ThickAsThieves "US intelligence whistleblower Edward Snowden is elected to post of student rector at Glasgow University." [20:41]
mircea_popescu haha [20:41]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell duffer1 it's unclear you can do much shaping, specifically because of the weapons grade idiots. basically your choices will be whether you want them to spell stupid with a b or p, d or t. otherwise... stubid is stupit. [20:43]
gribble The operation succeeded. [20:43]
mircea_popescu that inception moment when you realise reading through the assets log is the most fun thing you've done all day. [20:43]
mircea_popescu fucking biznis. [20:43]
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ThickAsThieves Secretary Kerry warns climate change is a 'weapon of mass destruction' [20:44]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell cads: "they started a tv channel a couple years ago, and were acquired for 20 mil by a holding company that same year." i think you don't fully appreciate the impact of tax optimization on all these deals. [20:44]
gribble The operation succeeded. [20:44]
mircea_popescu that fucktard seriously was running for president at some point huh. [20:45]
ThickAsThieves yep [20:45]
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mircea_popescu so much of us history is incredible in retrospect. [20:45]
mircea_popescu "wait, they went into vietnam ? and then did what ?" [20:46]
mircea_popescu has a certain italian quality to it. [20:46]
ThickAsThieves must be all the pizza [20:46]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell misterE you musta misclicked something, i see it ? [20:47]
gribble The operation succeeded. [20:47]
mircea_popescu jurov more like "we watched while he showed us" [20:47]
mircea_popescu benkay omg ip and what ? pls to translate ty. [20:49]
benkay mircea_popescu: intellectual property [20:50]
mircea_popescu that i know. [20:50]
mircea_popescu whatg i don't know is what the whole sentence's supposed to mean [20:50]
mircea_popescu gx what's a coinigy. [20:50]
benkay it's a satire of an overwrought technical manager [20:50]
benkay "I am concerned about retaining rights to my intellectual property and building an engineering team that can document its own work. Plus lots of emotions." [20:51]
mircea_popescu so you offered to do documentation for them, and on rehash you offered to work 2 hour days [20:51]
mircea_popescu oh oh oh. [20:51]
benkay ? [20:51]
benkay no [20:51]
mircea_popescu clearly i lack the relevant experience. [20:51]
mircea_popescu 1/4 time is not= 2 hour days ? [20:52]
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benkay no, it's 10 hr weeks [20:52]
mircea_popescu ... [20:52]
mircea_popescu 5 day weeks right ? :D [20:52]
benkay topologically the same thing [20:52]
mircea_popescu clearly we have a substantial differend here :D [20:52]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0738 = 0.1476 BTC [+] [20:53]
benkay fractional days are a bad practice [20:53]
benkay a) clients think in hours instead of projects [20:53]
benkay b) it's really hard to get shit done in fractional days [20:53]
benkay fractional weeks however let me shift work around as necessary to get the big six-hour blocks in which we're productive [20:53]
mircea_popescu following from b), c) you stay employed 4ever. [20:54]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06849998 = 0.137 BTC [+] {2} [20:54]
benkay yeah employment [20:55]
benkay major life goal [20:55]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves where do you find all the btc posers fucking hell [20:55]
mircea_popescu you're like the grand master of it by now. [20:55]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla we are now fuckbrothers, as we have been fucked up by the same thing! [20:56]
kakobrekla hehe [20:57]
ThickAsThieves not hard to find posers on btcmag [20:57]
mircea_popescu Jere_Jones no. there is no way to reclaim anything once you lose keys. never ever EVER lose any keys ever. [20:57]
mircea_popescu lose your right eye instead. [20:57]
mircea_popescu those are redundant. [20:57]
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ThickAsThieves bitcoin foundation is looking for board members [20:58]
benkay i'm looking for your sister [20:58]
ThickAsThieves good luck [20:58]
benkay heard she sucks a mean dick [20:58]
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mircea_popescu aww why so testosterony [20:59]
mircea_popescu o look that rhymes with brony [20:59]
benkay testosterbrony! [20:59]
benkay look you win fast types again [20:59]
* mircea_popescu dances [20:59]
mircea_popescu i shall comission a special hat to commemorate the occasion [21:00]
benkay nubbins` will paint you in your fancy hat [21:00]
ThickAsThieves i just slaughtered a bunch of ants, the vegan gods will not be happy [21:00]
mircea_popescu upon the poofball shall be inscribed a logo aimed to represent fast typin'. [21:00]
benkay it's like dwarf fortress [21:00]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves i think the vegan dogs only care for you not to eat mammals. [21:00]
mircea_popescu otherwise you know, yeasts, ants, all fine. [21:01]
benkay "he is wearing a masterfully wrought cap with a poofball made of cave spider silk" [21:01]
benkay "on the poofball is an icon representing his fast typing victory over benkay" [21:01]
benkay mircea_popescu you gotta fuck with dwarf fortress [21:01]
mircea_popescu over benkay THE OGRE [21:01]
benkay right benkay the legendary ogre of vampire slaying [21:01]
benkay "benkay's head is cowed" [21:01]
mircea_popescu no, benkay the diminutive ogrelet of having been sick in his childhood [21:01]
benkay the generative art and history of dwarf fortress is ridiculous [21:02]
mircea_popescu he has one butterfly wing coming out of his shoulderblade [21:02]
benkay HA [21:02]
benkay more like the vicious midget - only american raised in violence since 1920 [21:02]
mircea_popescu i wonder if anyone ever stepped on their own beard. [21:03]
ThickAsThieves i do when i shave [21:03]
benkay you can eat noodles out of a beard: [21:03]
mircea_popescu jurov: afaik gpg never saves unencrypted keys to disk << indeed. it's not made by the power rangers, not using qt, etc. [21:04]
mircea_popescu incredible how people 20 years ago could like... you know, program computers. [21:04]
mircea_popescu WITH THEIR HANDS [21:04]
benkay "these are your fathers parentheses" [21:04]
mircea_popescu ahahaha [21:05]
mircea_popescu !b 5 [21:05]
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mircea_popescu "tysat, if you believe they are pump and dumps, seriously who do you think is behind it? mtgox? the btc elites? honestly, if someone is pumping and dumping in an organised way, as a means of screwing new investors then the entire alt community should hunt them down" [21:07]
mircea_popescu le derp. [21:07]
mircea_popescu the entire alt community couldn't burn down one of my pubes if someone lent them a stair and matches. [21:08]
ThickAsThieves pubes of steel [21:08]
pankkake the entire alt community wouldn't exist without pump and dumps [21:08]
benkay "community" [21:09]
mircea_popescu [21:09]
ozbot CrazyRabbi abusing Trust-System [21:09]
mircea_popescu "save yer herebys" [21:09]
mircea_popescu lmao [21:09]
mircea_popescu pankkake or pubes. [21:09]
pankkake scammers and beggars are a community [21:09]
pankkake do they have pubes? [21:09]
ThickAsThieves more than most probly [21:10]
mircea_popescu they are a community. in 1800s bucharest there was a place called "podul calicilor", which pretty much means "the bridge of the scammer and beggar comunity". [21:10]
mircea_popescu this was the local equiv of pont neuf [21:10]
ThickAsThieves "So if I buy some shares in NeoBee from havelock now will I get more dividends than if I buy the shares after the 23rd of Feb?" [21:11]
ThickAsThieves sigh [21:11]
Jere_Jones Speaking of scams, I have always thought, and the dictionary agrees with me, that a scam was defined by dishonesty. BingoBoingo made a comment that a scame is defined by "not paying". Whether not paying is due to malice, incompetince, or a natural disaster is irrelevant. [21:11]
mircea_popescu Jere_Jones this revolves around the concept of meaningful difference. [21:12]
mircea_popescu because it is impossible to establish malice at all, a difference predicated upon establishing malice is meaningless. [21:12]
ThickAsThieves maybe not irrelevant, but possibly indistiguisable [21:12]
mircea_popescu also "incompetence" [21:12]
ThickAsThieves sp [21:12]
ThickAsThieves lol [21:12]
mircea_popescu indistinguishable. [21:12]
mircea_popescu ima start charging in altcoins for this service. [21:12]
ThickAsThieves hey i asked for no service, what are you a government? [21:13]
mircea_popescu zing [21:13]
Jere_Jones So "scam" is used, not as an attack on one's character, but as a characterization of their trustability? [21:13]
mircea_popescu i shall now charge myself for self-zinging commentary a 5 atc tax. [21:13]
mircea_popescu Jere_Jones no, it's an attack on their character. [21:13]
mircea_popescu there not existing any malice anyway, their character === their trustability. [21:14]
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mircea_popescu plus it's easier to spell than trustabillyhilly [21:14]
TomServo not the === again! [21:14]
Jere_Jones Incompetence is something that everyone starts out with. [21:14]
mircea_popescu and speaking of magical php, any language out there which isn't served enough by 3 and has 4 or more ? [21:15]
ThickAsThieves you mena ignorance? [21:15]
Jere_Jones "Sucking at something is the first step to being kinda good at something." [21:15]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 33 @ 0.07398787 = 2.4416 BTC [+] {2} [21:15]
mircea_popescu im really looking forward to clauses like if i ==== j then else if i === j then else if i == j then else if i = j then. [21:15]
Jere_Jones Ignorance leads to incompetence. [21:15]
mircea_popescu Jere_Jones nobody forces you to act blind. [21:15]
mircea_popescu learn first, act after. [21:15]
mircea_popescu what, everyone gets a banker certificate with their birth certificate now ? [21:16]
ThickAsThieves ignorance also leads to competance, soooo [21:16]
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pankkake mircea_popescu: some programmers check twice, or allocate a variable twice, to be sure. I'm not kidding. [21:16]
bones` "Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice". [21:16]
mircea_popescu pankkake i think that may be leftover from the old days of cobol horror. [21:16]
deadweasel ThickAsThieves: not so, see USG [21:17]
mircea_popescu bones` i think that's also comutative. [21:17]
pankkake well, the ones I've seen do it were fresh out of school [21:17]
ThickAsThieves not quite my point deadweasel [21:17]
mircea_popescu "any sufficiently advanced malice is indistinguishable from turpid stupidity" [21:17]
ThickAsThieves just saying no one (but mp) is born a knowitall [21:17]
bones` So good at being bad it must be a mistake? [21:17]
mircea_popescu bones` yup. [21:17]
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deadweasel ThickAsThieves: i'm just saying that the ignorance itself doesn't lead to comptence [21:18]
deadweasel or spelling [21:18]
mircea_popescu most of the high ticket scammers are going for that angle. [21:18]
mircea_popescu deadweasel you aware of the neoplatonist loophole you got there right ? [21:18]
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deadweasel i'm aware of rabbit hole I stuck my head it here, but not the formal proposition of it. [21:19]
deadweasel please, help! [21:19]
mircea_popescu if not ignorance, then what ? if not hunger leads you to sate, then what ? [21:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.074 = 1.554 BTC [+] [21:19]
deadweasel death [21:19]
deadweasel you don't eat you die, happens all the time. [21:19]
deadweasel not sated [21:19]
mircea_popescu but death is not of this world. [21:20]
mircea_popescu for once death is, you are no longer, and while you still are, death is not. [21:20]
deadweasel depends on who I am [21:20]
deadweasel and if I really know what the truth of that is. [21:20]
ThickAsThieves so that means we will all live forever! [21:20]
ThickAsThieves until we dont [21:20]
deadweasel now we're deep in the rabbit hole. [21:20]
mircea_popescu doesn't depend on anything, if it isn't it couldn't possibly cause. [21:21]
mircea_popescu because! [21:21]
mircea_popescu that which is is, and necessarily is, whereas that which is not is not [21:21]
deadweasel What if 'I' is not only the body/mind, what if there is a consciousness beyond this. [21:21]
mircea_popescu and necessarily is not. [21:21]
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ThickAsThieves death causes us to value life more, no? [21:21]
mircea_popescu even so. no presumption as to your body or mind was made. [21:21]
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deadweasel i'm just saying since we don't know the final outcome, assuming it ends at death is a big jump. [21:21]
mircea_popescu the greeks disagree :D [21:21]
deadweasel as they disagreed with their peers. [21:22]
mircea_popescu and /me beams at having injected into conversation like the oldest remaining text as well as various other classical bits [21:22]
mircea_popescu AND NOBODY KNEW [21:22]
ThickAsThieves who cares what Zeus thinks [21:22]
* deadweasel did way too much introspection this weekend.... or just enough?.... [21:22]
Jere_Jones Seems to me that being incompetent is a transitional phase that must be passed through. The key is to minimize outside exposure to my incompetence while I work through it? [21:23]
ThickAsThieves incompetance is imposed [21:23]
ThickAsThieves not assumed [21:23]
ThickAsThieves it requires a context [21:24]
Jere_Jones A label that must be applied by a third party? [21:24]
Jere_Jones That doesn't seem right. [21:24]
mircea_popescu Jere_Jones why not ? [21:24]
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Jere_Jones Why can't I say "I am not competent to create X. I must improve."? [21:25]
mircea_popescu omg look at this, there's no anaxagoras on teh english web [21:25]
mircea_popescu Jere_Jones you can, surely. [21:25]
mircea_popescu but what if you lack the metacognitive capabilities to see this ? [21:25]
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Jere_Jones The more time I spend in here, the more I realize that I know exactly squat. [21:25]
ThickAsThieves just make shit up, it works for me [21:26]
ThickAsThieves :) [21:26]
mircea_popescu point in case [21:26]
deadweasel Jere_Jones: you're doing it right then [21:26]
mircea_popescu what does he do now ? [21:26]
ozbot #bitcoin-assets log [21:26]
mircea_popescu in fact, empirically, if you think you're not competent enough to create x you must improve you have ~50-50 odds to actually be competent enough. [21:27]
mircea_popescu whereas if you think you're competent enough to create x and need no improvement you have ~50-50 odds to actually be competent enough. [21:27]
* deadweasel 's parser broke [21:27]
deadweasel ah, i see now [21:27]
mircea_popescu deadweasel quotation marks to be supplied by the parser. [21:27]
Jere_Jones My opinion of my own competence is irrelevant to my actual competence? [21:27]
deadweasel  [21:28]
bones` Jere_Jones, reducing the number of unknown unknowns is a good thing, but takes time [21:28]
mircea_popescu Jere_Jones pretty much. [21:28]
Jere_Jones Well... fuck [21:28]
deadweasel Jere_Jones: it's best to always think you're totally incompetent, until you are the expert in a field. [21:28]
mircea_popescu welcome to the splendid world of thought. [21:28]
deadweasel then it's still best. [21:28]
ThickAsThieves although it's typically more fruitful to assume you are wrong than right [21:28]
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ThickAsThieves maybe fruitful is the wrong word [21:29]
ThickAsThieves prudent [21:29]
deadweasel then, when you act, and fail, you'll be well ready to know exactly where and how you failed. [21:29]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves never quote me on this or i'll kill you, but, the only reason this hjolds true is because us nuttery about "encouraging" people and so on and so forth. in other cultures the opposite holds true. [21:29]
ThickAsThieves !b 1 [21:29]
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Jere_Jones lol [21:29]
ThickAsThieves :) [21:29]
bones` Welp yer ded [21:30]
* ThickAsThieves dies [21:30]
* deadweasel weeps [21:30]
deadweasel so... like, was that it, or is there something after dead? [21:30]
* mircea_popescu dirges [21:30]
deadweasel death* [21:30]
deadweasel brain-death, in my case. [21:30]
mircea_popescu [21:31]
ozbot Olympia Brass Band - funeral dirge - YouTube [21:31]
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ThickAsThieves here's how i see it [21:31]
ThickAsThieves being alive *is* "heaven" [21:31]
ThickAsThieves the rest is being a chaotic pool of particles [21:31]
mircea_popescu btw asciilifeform since oyu liked eminescu, here : afaik the best elegy in all poetry of THE WORLD [21:32]
bones` Trying to find utility in delaying your progress for an afterlife is hard for me [21:32]
deadweasel your heaven sounds lame. I'd like not to administer ALTCOIN in heaven. [21:32]
Jere_Jones If I believe that I am incompetent, I won't act until I believe that I am, at least minimally, competent. Always thinking that I am totally incompetent would lead to paralysis. At some point I have to open up the editor and lay code down or I am useless. [21:32]
ThickAsThieves it's heaven, you can do whatever you want man [21:32]
mircea_popescu Jere_Jones this is where community becomes important. [21:32]
mircea_popescu everyone is incompetent, and will fail. [21:33]
mircea_popescu do fail in such a manner as to advance the common truths [21:33]
mircea_popescu rather than as to repeat the history of common mistakes. [21:33]
ThickAsThieves jere-jones, if that's how you feel, read some Coelho [21:33]
* Jere_Jones bawls "BUT I DON'T WANNA FAIL!" [21:33]
mircea_popescu fuck you. [21:33]
deadweasel i see what you did there, ThickAsThieves, and I agree. [21:33]
bones` blah blah Edison, 1000 ways a lightbulb doesn't work [21:33]
bones` Just try to fail with satoshis instead of tens of BTC [21:33]
mircea_popescu bones` this sounds smart but it is really just a moving of the trash under the rug [21:34]
Apocalyptic or with ATC [21:34]
ThickAsThieves “There is only one thing that makes a dream impossible to achieve: the fear of failure.” [21:34]
mircea_popescu his point re paralysis remains unscathed. [21:34]
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deadweasel knowing where that point is, I think, is a skill derived from failing continously up until that point. [21:34]
bones` Getting passed that first failure helps [21:34]
mircea_popescu no argument. [21:35]
deadweasel the jumping off point, for idiots, is as soon as they have an idea. [21:35]
mircea_popescu well... "idea". [21:35]
deadweasel exaclty [21:35]
mircea_popescu "hei guise, wouldn't it be cool if ketchup and mustard came in the same bottle ?" [21:35]
deadweasel Mustchup! [21:35]
deadweasel my favorite brand! [21:36]
mircea_popescu I WILL IPO MY MUSTCHUP IDEA NAOP [21:36]
ThickAsThieves ketard [21:36]
mircea_popescu ahahahaha [21:36]
deadweasel lol1 [21:36]
mircea_popescu ketard mustchup! [21:36]
deadweasel omg, i must have this. [21:36]
* deadweasel mixes his mustard and ketchup bottles [21:36]
ThickAsThieves wait this must exist alrdy [21:36]
Jere_Jones It would speed up the hot dog line. [21:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30300 @ 0.00086363 = 26.168 BTC [-] [21:36]
mircea_popescu Jere_Jones except if people want different proportions. [21:36]
Jere_Jones You can already buy peanut butter and jelly mixed together. [21:36]
ThickAsThieves i can tell you that mixing sriracha and ketchup is pretty good [21:37]
mircea_popescu then you'll have to have 500 mixed bottles and people will argue over which was used. [21:37]
mircea_popescu actually this company could come up for its first product [21:37]
mircea_popescu with the selzer-salsa. [21:37]
Jere_Jones [21:38]
ThickAsThieves lol the coelho is spreading! [21:38]
mircea_popescu Herp. Derp. Dumbletum trumblemum. [21:39]
ThickAsThieves since i cant even tell my jokes from my seriouses, i wanna note that coelho is retarded [21:39]
mircea_popescu "and so am i" [21:39]
ThickAsThieves :) [21:39]
mircea_popescu lol [21:39]
ThickAsThieves he's okay for inspiring pussies i guess [21:40]
ThickAsThieves or sating them at least [21:40]
mircea_popescu or bedding them [21:40]
ThickAsThieves inspirational! would do again! [21:40]
mircea_popescu aspie-rational. [21:41]
ThickAsThieves assburger's that could be the name for the ketard sriratchup company [21:41]
deadweasel working with aspies on a regular basis, I find that hilarious. [21:41]
deadweasel sure, leave out mustchup, TATTIES. [21:42]
deadweasel cutting me out already [21:42]
deadweasel before the mustard is even mixed! [21:42]
deadweasel :P [21:42]
mircea_popescu yeah. S.ASS. Assburger, inc. An aspie-rational food product company, and MORE. [21:42]
mod6 mmm. assburgers. [21:42]
ThickAsThieves yer too incompetant for this! [21:43]
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deadweasel it's true [21:43]
ThickAsThieves e [21:43]
ThickAsThieves e===a, a=e [21:43]
ThickAsThieves now i know my PHPs! [21:44]
mircea_popescu "Having just gone through this from the other side of the fence I thought I would share some perspective. The reality is no successful startup founder wants hundreds or thousands of investors. Contrary to the silly games you see on "crypto exchanges" with startups issuing billions of shares to thousands of investors no founder wants that. Less is better when it comes to investors because it means less overhead and m [21:44]
mircea_popescu ore time spent on the business." [21:44]
mircea_popescu yet somehow dt magically doesn't understand what (one of) the appeal of mpex is. [21:44]
ThickAsThieves that statement doesnt even state anything imo [21:45]
deadweasel ycombinated minds... again, get yer phraseology outta my brain, mp! [21:45]
ThickAsThieves all money is green, right? [21:45]
ThickAsThieves :) [21:45]
benkay shit apples still taste like shit [21:46]
mircea_popescu it's this incredible brainrot people in the us and over 30 have to fight with. [21:46]
mircea_popescu basically it's, if you're under 30 you're too stupid to do much anyway. if you're over 30 and us you're too stupid to ever recover [21:47]
mircea_popescu or w/e, by the time you manage to brush off all the idiocy you're 50 and ready to retire. [21:47]
benkay it's a shame that y combinator is now understood to be a shitty us gambling operation [21:47]
mircea_popescu never before has a whole culture been so thoroughly discriminated against by the forces of reality. [21:47]
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ThickAsThieves where's that quote from? [21:50]
deadweasel original [21:50]
ThickAsThieves i can't google it [21:50]
deadweasel sounds like [21:50]
mircea_popescu dt discussing the safello thing with gweedo, who thinks he is an investor. [21:50]
mircea_popescu Swedish bitcoin exchange Safello has secured a $600,000 investment that it hopes will push it into the wider European market. The exchange, which launched its service last August, can now count bitcoin luminaries Erik Voorhees and Roger Ver among its investors. [21:50]
mircea_popescu Safello, which also saw CEO Nicolas Cary invest, is currently revamping its website, and promises a range of new services in the coming months. [21:50]
mircea_popescu Aside from the amount invested, this investment round is also notable for the number of investors involved. The firm lists 15 in its statement announcing the deal, which would mean an average of $40,000 each (although the investment is likely to be unevenly spread). [21:51]
mircea_popescu i really enjoy reading teh forums these days. [21:51]
mircea_popescu "look, fifteen people put in fifty bitcoin each! THIS IS HUGE NEWS!!!1" [21:51]
ThickAsThieves what a horrible name [21:51]
ThickAsThieves like Othello, but Safe? [21:51]
mircea_popescu eh they suck at naming things what can i say. [21:51]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.062604 = 0.313 BTC [-] {4} [21:52]
ThickAsThieves Safello, the Geek Tradegy [21:52]
ThickAsThieves does anyone even use coinapult? [21:54]
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mircea_popescu i tried to give them a domain for free back in 2012 [21:54]
ThickAsThieves "nascent" this word is getting old [21:54]
mircea_popescu they never actually managed to collect [21:54]
mircea_popescu i dun remember if i even bothered extending it or what happened in the end. [21:54]
mircea_popescu and now for something completely different : any interest in a potential S.POT, which'd be a company dedicated to acquiring a florida pot growing license ? [21:56]
ThickAsThieves hmm [21:57]
ThickAsThieves does that exist? [21:57]
pankkake [21:57]
ThickAsThieves FL pot license [21:57]
mircea_popescu speculatively. [21:58]
mircea_popescu mp lobbies. [21:58]
mircea_popescu when mp lobbies, shit happens. [21:58]
ThickAsThieves i'm a supporter of legalization, but i think we're barely getting medical for cancer patients on the ballot this year [21:59]
ThickAsThieves either way, i'd invest [21:59]
kakobrekla s.pot will make the grounds for s.laughing [22:00]
mircea_popescu >D [22:00]
ThickAsThieves where does cannabit operate anyway? [22:01]
pankkake you mean s.laughter [22:01]
pankkake I'm waiting for s.lut myself [22:01]
pankkake ThickAsThieves: I think "it's a secret" - forums are down so can't check [22:02]
deadweasel Florida, home of the DEA. [22:02]
KRS-One aint that the truth [22:02]
mod6 why florida? [22:02]
ThickAsThieves Sunshine State! [22:03]
ThickAsThieves old people [22:03]
ThickAsThieves tourism [22:03]
KRS-One florida was ground zero for the 'pill mill' thing where addicts went dr. shopping for any dr. who would prescribe pain killers then they'd resell them [22:03]
KRS-One funny you can still drive around and still see abandoned store fronts that were once 'pain clinics' [22:03]
KRS-One I wonder how many doctors are sitting in prison right now who once had it all. [22:04]
mod6 well, you can get a lic for co or wa today iirc. [22:04]
ThickAsThieves now all i see is Vape shops [22:04]
mod6 just grow indoor. [22:04]
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KRS-One Anyone besides me here in FL? [22:04]
mircea_popescu mod6 lots of old people, [22:04]
deadweasel KRS-One, if they had it all, they wouldn't be selling pill illegally? [22:04]
mircea_popescu and home of the dea. [22:04]
ThickAsThieves all these people putting god knows what into themselves with offbrand ecig flavorings [22:04]
mod6 ahh. [22:04]
ThickAsThieves i'm in FL [22:04]
ThickAsThieves i dont want to be, but i am [22:05]
ThickAsThieves fukn wife just landed a better job too... [22:05]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00086454 = 11.0661 BTC [+] [22:05]
KRS-One ThickAsThieves same for I.T. I'm in south FL, aka little "New York" [22:05]
mircea_popescu buncha old jewish princesses ? [22:05]
deadweasel JAPs [22:05]
KRS-One mircea_popescu: you bet [22:06]
mircea_popescu pankkake so you're in paris, make me something i can call s.lut [22:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32000 @ 0.00086497 = 27.679 BTC [+] {3} [22:06]
pankkake what's the relation with paris? [22:06]
KRS-One deadweasel: the doctors were giving out big time prescriptions and billing insurance for medical services. Typical caselod was probably 150%-200% of what it should have been without the unnecessary prescriptions. [22:06]
pankkake oh, lutèce ? :) [22:06]
mircea_popescu pankkake isn't that where the s lol [22:06]
ThickAsThieves french gaming company, call it Lüt [22:07]
mircea_popescu where the sluts live ? intl capital of sluttery ? [22:07]
pankkake meh [22:07]
pankkake more bitches than sluts [22:07]
mircea_popescu s.bit doesn't have the same bite to it. [22:07]
KRS-One Boca Raton FL is like little "New York" and jewish american princesses abound. [22:07]
ThickAsThieves Leisure Under the Table [22:07]
mircea_popescu del boca vista raton, florida. [22:08]
KRS-One Some are quite hawt. [22:08]
KRS-One del boca what lol [22:08]
KRS-One There is Del Rey Beach [22:08]
ThickAsThieves we have a Treasure Island too [22:08]
KRS-One yeh those are typical names [22:08]
KRS-One ThickAsThieves where is Treasure Island? [22:08]
ThickAsThieves maybe good place for S.POT [22:08]
ThickAsThieves off cost of Tampa [22:09]
ThickAsThieves coast [22:09]
KRS-One oh cool [22:09]
KRS-One [22:09]
kakobrekla pankkake its called a laughing stock, not a laughter stock. [22:09]
KRS-One I've been to Tampa, party town. Girls were nuts there. [22:09]
ozbot Welcome to City of Treasure Island, Florida [22:09]
mircea_popescu we already had K.S.Laughter anyway [22:10]
KRS-One I dont like the west coast..the gulf is a sesspool. [22:10]
pankkake kakobrekla: but, slaughter [22:10]
kakobrekla FU [22:10]
kakobrekla ..rate -500 [22:10]
mircea_popescu for the people who actually understand graphs and math shit like that, herbi, cads, etc : [22:11]
kakobrekla o look a zillion dorra forum is down [22:11]
mircea_popescu what'd be the likely effect on the wot if the ratings were free up to maxint ? [22:11]
mircea_popescu obv the sum total would just be w/e modulo maxint [22:11]
deadweasel KRS-One: The gulf is a cesspool, yes. but it's MY cesspool ^_^ [22:12]
KRS-One haha you too? [22:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9668 @ 0.00086571 = 8.3697 BTC [+] [22:12]
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deadweasel raised in S.Texas. Oooh, i like th sound of that. S.Texas [22:12]
KRS-One East coast, Atlantic = Best beaches until you get to Sebastian, Daytona [22:13]
KRS-One Did you see much from the oil disaster there [22:13]
ThickAsThieves so the US residents active in this channel are majority floridian? that can't be [22:13]
deadweasel mississipi river dumps all the farmers gobshite into the gulf. death ensues. [22:13]
KRS-One thats right, sesspool [22:13]
deadweasel i'm NNE states [22:13]
deadweasel now [22:13]
mircea_popescu it's like california, florida and new york [22:14]
mircea_popescu you know, where money and broadband lives. [22:14]
KRS-One mircea_popescu: there sure isnt any I.T. here in Florida..I've got to get my ass to California at some point. [22:14]
deadweasel and we're overrun by brown people. [22:14]
deadweasel whom we LOVE. [22:14]
deadweasel because yards don't clip themselves [22:14]
* deadweasel censors self [22:15]
davout hello [22:15]
ThickAsThieves my lawn guy is white [22:15]
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KRS-One my guy is mexican and i dont know how he gets it all done so fast [22:15]
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mircea_popescu KRS-One ask the wife ? :D [22:16]
* Jere_Jones is in Florida as well [22:16]
KRS-One LMAO!!! [22:16]
deadweasel haha [22:16]
ThickAsThieves lol [22:16]
KRS-One As long as he keeps the bushes trimmed =D [22:16]
deadweasel my mom had a tennis coach for a while, pretty sure they were fucking [22:16]
deadweasel but maybe not, who knows [22:16]
ThickAsThieves [22:16]
mircea_popescu i knew there was some bush comedy-value-add in there somewhere. [22:16]
KRS-One deadweasel: The important thing is that she was happy. As long as our parents are happy right? [22:16]
ThickAsThieves mp did he acknowl your twet? [22:16]
deadweasel yup, agreeed [22:16]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves i didn't look lessee [22:17]
deadweasel they are still happy [22:17]
ozbot Yes, it's official, Ben Lawsky has agreed to the Reddit AMA : Bitcoin [22:17]
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mircea_popescu Someone who curses in public is strongly signaling 1) substance, 2) no hypocrisy, 3) freedom of opinion... But he is not necessarily right. [22:17]
mircea_popescu whoa check out mr taleb [22:17]
mircea_popescu i really like that guy more and more wtf. [22:17]
davout black swan is supposedely an awesome read [22:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28200 @ 0.00086336 = 24.3468 BTC [-] {3} [22:18]
ThickAsThieves lawsky likes his supernintendo meme [22:18]
mircea_popescu davout factually. [22:19]
kakobrekla what meme [22:19]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves see you made me go on twitter now im spending mah bitcoins, [22:19]
mircea_popescu you'll be the poverty of me. [22:19]
davout worth being ordered? so be it [22:19]
ThickAsThieves "Andreas discusses the value of decentralization IN ALL THINGS." oh noes [22:19]
mircea_popescu definitely. [22:19]
mircea_popescu anyway, no, the lawsky fellow is still wallowing in his own irrelevance. [22:20]
ThickAsThieves he'll be bitcoin jesus next week [22:20]
mircea_popescu lmao now this is a good bitbet : [22:21]
mircea_popescu first us official to be arrested over bitcoin stuff. [22:21]
davout ThickAsThieves: not sure if good or new bruce wagner [22:23]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 79 @ 0.0055 = 0.4345 BTC [22:23]
ThickAsThieves i think lawsky actually loves bitcoin [22:24]
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ThickAsThieves and is just trying to do his job [22:25]
kakobrekla like nsa loves privacy [22:25]
ThickAsThieves while a funny juxtapos, no [22:25]
kakobrekla he did express some feelings re dogecoin though. [22:26]
ThickAsThieves his job is probably impossible though [22:27]
ThickAsThieves to mate his world and bitcoin's [22:27]
ThickAsThieves regardless of his bias [22:27]
ThickAsThieves [22:28]
ozbot Meet the Woman Who Straight-Up Rocks a Beard [22:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07496329 = 0.8246 BTC [+] {3} [22:28]
deadweasel beardo [22:31]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves possibly. [22:33]
mircea_popescu is jezebel the dyke site ? [22:33]
mircea_popescu "Starting at 11, her polycystic ovary syndrome made her hair growth really dramatic, the Huffington Post reports. She tried shaving, bleaching, waxing twice a week but nothing quite worked. In school, she was bullied, called names like "beardo" and "she-male," because people seem to think it's okay to act like a complete fucking monster." [22:34]
mircea_popescu and... it isn't ? [22:34]
kakobrekla im sorry but lotsa hair does not imply 'shemale', noobs. [22:35]
mircea_popescu a beard ?! [22:35]
mircea_popescu dude, everyone i know *in that way* is shaved down there. [22:35]
davout kakobrekla doesn't get fooled into sex that easily [22:35]
kakobrekla lol [22:35]
mircea_popescu lmao [22:36]
ThickAsThieves can you electrolysis the face? [22:36]
ThickAsThieves ha i didnt even know this existed: [22:36]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves basically your role in the atc ecosystem is to be hijacked [22:37]
mircea_popescu you're the HJO. [22:37]
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mircea_popescu " tells you everything about the dev who I will guess could care less about how is coin appears to us miners. [22:38]
mircea_popescu which ill add without us miners the coin is nothing ... devs need to sell us, show us its worth out hardware, time, n electric [22:38]
mircea_popescu otherwise ... he can sit at home and solo mine every coin himself. " [22:38]
mircea_popescu teh miners tell it like it is yo! lol [22:38]
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ThickAsThieves hehe [22:38]
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ThickAsThieves they wanna be pitched [22:38]
ThickAsThieves maybe i'll go in there waiving bounties around [22:39]
ThickAsThieves no one takes me up on them anyway [22:39]
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mircea_popescu lol splendid way to end up alt-bankrupt [22:39]
Apocalyptic another cc exchange sigh [22:39]
ozbot Newaltex - MINT/BTC Market [22:40]
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mircea_popescu "totally agree. What dev will do for a sample, if chain will have some bug and he still not got profit to pay real developer for fix?" [22:40]
mircea_popescu Apocalyptic there will be ~5k of these. [22:40]
Apocalyptic mircea, yeah it's the new trend, everyone got to make one [22:40]
mircea_popescu "At present we experience difficulties with the e-mail server. The pool is transferred to a mode of service and will be postponed for other hosting." [22:41]
pankkake want to lol? read [22:41]
mircea_popescu none of these people are english native speakers are they. [22:41]
pankkake also, they have the fake altcoin [22:41]
mircea_popescu Please check out ALT/BTC pair added ready for some trading. Its a fairly new site but growing daily. Really cool dev too. [22:41]
mircea_popescu o the same one hehe [22:42]
Apocalyptic yeah got the link from there [22:42]
mircea_popescu off of it's users [22:42]
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Apocalyptic thay have over600 ATCs on asks [22:43]
mircea_popescu The trade engine will trade only with orders that match your desired trade rate. This means that if you submit an order with a rate of .10, it will only match with other orders with a rate of .10, not .12 or .08. There is no dynamic rate calculation present right now in the Crypto Rush trade engine. [22:43]
mircea_popescu this sounds like it shgou;d partner with that clickclick guy [22:43]
mircea_popescu We are sorry for causing any inconvenience with this method. Please keep this in mind while trading, and that it's not a bug but still being worked on while Crypto Rush is in Beta. [22:43]
mircea_popescu Wallets are stored separate from the site, we backup often. We built from the ground up with security in mind [22:44]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 198 @ 0.0008455 = 0.1674 BTC [+] [22:44]
pankkake cryptorush also has negative balances [22:44]
ThickAsThieves wait is ALT=ATC? [22:45]
ThickAsThieves at newaltex [22:45]
pankkake no [22:45]
ThickAsThieves oh [22:45]
mircea_popescu o look #cryptorush [22:45]
mircea_popescu they have a webirc embed on the page. [22:45]
dub cryptocrush? [22:46]
* dub invents next big thing [22:46]
Apocalyptic cryptorush claims to have : Total BTC volume: 2,800.36597993 [22:46]
mircea_popescu << this is the owner [22:46]
ozbot Linkandzelda's Projects | The Home Of Everything I Do [22:47]
ThickAsThieves [22:47]
mircea_popescu we know it to be so because his homepage has an irc which also embeds webirc the same way [22:47]
mircea_popescu he has a hosting whitelabel, a pokemon community... [22:47]
mircea_popescu this dude either is usagi [22:47]
mircea_popescu or else should have usagi's babies. [22:48]
pLambert I got a coinbase phishing email today. It was very convincing. [22:49]
davout a phishing e-mail pretending to be a legitimate scam company, heh [22:50]
mircea_popescu lol [22:50]
kakobrekla !b 3 [22:51]
assbot Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( [22:51]
mircea_popescu so im currently tryign to buy facebook followers from the cryptotard in his irc channel [22:51]
mircea_popescu curious what comes of this. there's ~150 people there but nobody says anything [22:51]
kakobrekla mircea_popescu can you auth plox? [22:51]
kakobrekla first s.pot, now buying facebook shits [22:52]
mircea_popescu aite. [22:52]
mircea_popescu lol [22:52]
kakobrekla i dont belive it. [22:52]
mircea_popescu ;;eauth mircea_popescu [22:52]
gribble Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from [22:52]
mircea_popescu shit i forgot my key guise!!1 [22:52]
mircea_popescu ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:e8184214a3f62d741e64b684dad0a7e561d3314ad57e8ff10c9a4b60 [22:52]
gribble You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452 [22:52]
kakobrekla dammit, its real. [22:52]
mircea_popescu anyway kakobrekla you just don't understand the range of my interests! [22:53]
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mircea_popescu but srsly nao : the guy that made a lolexchange which only matches exact price [22:53]
mircea_popescu also runs a "buy twitter followers" and "generate fake testimonials" site [22:53]
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davout even localbitcoins has a better engine... [22:54]
mircea_popescu this is pretty epic shit. [22:55]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 292 @ 0.00301 = 0.8789 BTC [+] [22:55]
Apocalyptic ^ [22:55]
Apocalyptic although you have to admit it's better than r3wt's one [22:55]
mircea_popescu meanwhile they're also sending spam emails, because their servers got blacklisted [22:55]
mircea_popescu and so are having a meltdown in their own chan [22:55]
Apocalyptic heh [22:56]
mircea_popescu iscrawler: I checked our email system 5 minutes ago [22:56]
mircea_popescu we have send 2 k emails in 24 hours. [22:56]
mircea_popescu robert keith cristopher jr. [22:56]
Jere_Jones Shoulda used ses to send out emails [22:56]
mircea_popescu [22:57]
ozbot Robert Keith Christopher JR's Resume [22:57]
mircea_popescu I am applying to be a full-time employee at this location. Before moving to Lake City, FL; I worked as a cashier and many jobs in Ocean Springs, MS. This includes 2 years at KFC/Long John Silver as there head cashier. After moving here to Lake City, FL I worked as a DirecTV Technical Support agent at Sitel. I worked there for about a year before moving on to Walmart in Lake City, FL. I worked at Walmart for about a yea [22:57]
mircea_popescu r and I then moved on to work for the Census (US Goverment) for about 1 month. Once I finished with that; I worked as a call agent from home which included taking orders for multiple different companies. I also helped run a company called which was a game server hosting company for 5 years. I believe that my exceptional customer service record is one of my key qualities that I can bring to you're store. [22:57]
mircea_popescu omfg this shit is epic. [22:57]
Apocalyptic dude he's an expert cashier [22:57]
mircea_popescu this is going on trilema. [22:58]
kakobrekla to you are store? [22:58]
kakobrekla who is store? [22:58]
mircea_popescu too good typefaction. [22:58]
ThickAsThieves who is this guy? [22:58]
ThickAsThieves i missed something [22:58]
mircea_popescu so read log [22:58]
ThickAsThieves i thought i did, it's r3wt? [22:59]
Apocalyptic cryptorush's admin [22:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07999799 = 0.16 BTC [+] [22:59]
Apocalyptic well, one of them [22:59]
mircea_popescu i dunno r3wt has anything to do with it [22:59]
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Apocalyptic which it looks like they are... [23:00]
Apocalyptic for the love of god who broke them now... [23:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8000 @ 0.00020749 = 1.6599 BTC [+] {5} [23:01]
Apocalyptic mircea stop breaking dem mails [23:01]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 520 @ 0.00020769 = 0.108 BTC [+] {3} [23:02]
Jere_Jones Their order matching engine must be completely whack. [23:03]
mircea_popescu fellow americans : is "Youth Challenge Program" some special for-tards thing over there ? [23:04]
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davout it's not an engine, it's probably an == or an === operator [23:04]
Jere_Jones I know, right [23:04]
mircea_popescu davout an operator ~==== an engine [23:04]
davout mircea_popescu: lol [23:04]
Jere_Jones oooo 4 ='s [23:04]
mircea_popescu Jere_Jones omg noob. ~= is an operator and === is another operator. [23:05]
davout it's the "no-seriously-i-mean-it" PHP equality operator [23:05]
mircea_popescu their power combined ~=> engine [23:05]
Jere_Jones like C++'s toward operator? [23:06]
nicknock hey guys, do you know where I can still find tradable gox derivs? plus500 removed it and is out of reserves. [23:06]
Jere_Jones while (c --> 0) { // do shit } [23:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1220 @ 0.00020989 = 0.2561 BTC [+] {3} [23:07]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.52100002 = 1.563 BTC [-] [23:07]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00086271 = 20.36 BTC [-] [23:08]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.07502525 = 0.3001 BTC [+] {3} [23:09]
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ThickAsThieves lol get this [23:12]
ThickAsThieves Asked why the company hadn't addressed customers' concern sooner, Mr. Karpelès responded in an email interview with The Wall Street Journal on Monday: "I assume you refer to the malleability issue. We sincerely apologize for this incident; however, please understand that we are NOT the developers of Bitcoin." He added, "We are very surprised that anyone could fault MtGox instead of [23:12]
ThickAsThieves the bitcoin software." [23:12]
mircea_popescu nicknock sorry what ?! [23:13]
ThickAsThieves he wants to fuck with cheap goxcoins i think [23:13]
ThickAsThieves "fuck with" in the hiphop sense [23:14]
nicknock mp :) i'd like to place some leveraged bets on the goxbtc / goxusd rate. [23:14]
nicknock heh, if i'd have the stash to "fuck with" it, i'd likely have lost it already [23:15]
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ThickAsThieves [23:17]
ThickAsThieves Ukraine's capital streamed live as police threaten crackdown [23:17]
ozbot Espreso TV - LIVE - YouTube [23:17]
nicknock how are the mpex fiat futures settled? [23:20]
davout nicknock: delivery [23:21]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 47 @ 0.02420002 = 1.1374 BTC [-] {3} [23:21]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 26 @ 0.05800001 = 1.508 BTC [-] {4} [23:21]
davout nicknock: it's in the contract [23:21]
jurov nicknock: [23:21]
nicknock thx [23:22]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.077 = 0.154 BTC [-] [23:23]
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mircea_popescu [23:30]
ozbot Robert Keith Cristopher, Jr ; Matt Sartain ; Kristian Thomson ; Cryptorush : much comedy & lulzgoldm [23:30]
Jere_Jones Woohoo!! Time to use my credits! [23:30]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.07699912 = 0.308 BTC [+] {4} [23:31]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 8 @ 0.07887488 = 0.631 BTC [+] {5} [23:32]
nicknock TaT: i'm thinking of transferring some asicminer from 796 to havelock. never transferred shares before, any caveats to think of? [23:33]
mircea_popescu and special thanks to pankkake [23:35]
mircea_popescu also logs if anyone conceivably wants them [23:35]
ThickAsThieves nicknock, i never worked with 796, you;ll need to convert to direct shares first [23:35]
ThickAsThieves otherwise, instructions are in the description [23:36]
Jere_Jones "I would be lost without Trilema. It's exactly what I've been looking for." [23:39]
Jere_Jones - Petrina U. (via [23:39]
Jere_Jones lol [23:39]
nicknock TaT: ok thanks [23:40]
mircea_popescu lolz [23:40]
mircea_popescu Petrina Urina ? [23:40]
Jere_Jones Sure. Why not? [23:40]
mircea_popescu he could at least have gone the whole distance and made he names funny. [23:41]
mircea_popescu Petrina Ypsilanti the 3rd [23:41]
mircea_popescu Desdemona Safello [23:41]
Jere_Jones Then you'd have the real Petrina Ypsilanti the 3rd saying "I never said that! [23:41]
mircea_popescu Cuntess Ersatz-Szerbet of Elderberry [23:41]
Jere_Jones Can't have that. [23:41]
pankkake hahaha I love the last one [23:42]
mircea_popescu sorta sounds like erzsi bathory [23:42]
mircea_popescu jurovs' dreamgal [23:43]
jurov yup [23:43]
jurov have you seen the recent slovak film about her? [23:44]
jurov she's very charming [23:44]
mircea_popescu i haven't, no. [23:44]
mircea_popescu lots of nudity and pubescent gore ? [23:44]
jurov [23:44]
ozbot Bathory: Countess of Blood (2008) - IMDb [23:44]
mircea_popescu is it any good ? 6.0 doesn't promise [23:45]
jurov some hints.. but it's never clear [23:45]
jurov it's just weird as everyhinng from that director [23:45]
mircea_popescu “I also like to help people setup multiple things” [23:46]
mircea_popescu …such as the bomb. [23:46]
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mircea_popescu ahahaha [23:46]
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mircea_popescu i wonder how many actual nuts that end up shooting people COULD in fact be detected by reading facebook pages. [23:47]
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jurov they can, but only if they are in love [23:48]
Jere_Jones mircea_popescu Maybe add a part at the end of your latest post about not being a tard. "Steer clear of all tards. Don't be a tard. That is all." [23:49]
mircea_popescu how is a tard not going to be a tard ? [23:50]
mircea_popescu i mean i don't mind telling people what to do, but i'm kind-of partial to telling them to do that which can be done. [23:50]
Jere_Jones By recognizing that one is a tard? Isn't that the first step to nontardism? [23:50]
mircea_popescu you're slow, you're slow. what are you going to do ? [23:50]
mircea_popescu move out of the fast lane and enjoy the view. [23:50]
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mircea_popescu everyone ends up in the same place anyway. [23:51]
Jere_Jones I think I may be a tard. I am certain that I was a tard. I don't want to be a tard in the future. [23:51]
mircea_popescu dude get out of here. what was your resume like at 30 ? [23:52]
Jere_Jones I have never written a resume, but if I had, it would have been dominated by Aviation Electronics Technician, US Navy. [23:52]
mircea_popescu right. [23:53]
Jere_Jones Every job I've ever had has been via word of mouth. [23:53]
mircea_popescu this one is dominated by stocking shelves. [23:53]
Jere_Jones That *was* funny. [23:53]
ThickAsThieves this is my tard, there are many tards like it, but this one is mine [23:53]
mircea_popescu so you know, doing stupid shit is one thing, being a tard is a different thing. [23:53]
Jere_Jones My resume at 18 would have been dominated by KFC. He sounds like a kid. [23:54]
Jere_Jones KFC and construction. Ah... the days of no responsibilities. Just touching breasts, thighs and legs... [23:54]
Jere_Jones Speaking of responsibilities. Back to them. Thanks for the laughs. I needed them. [23:55]
mircea_popescu Jere_Jones the ged was in 2001. [23:56]
mircea_popescu 2001 you hear me / [23:56]
Jere_Jones Damn. Being generous would put him at 14 at the time. That would make him 27-ish now? [23:57]
Jere_Jones Being realistic, he was 18 at the time so he's past 30 now. [23:57]
Jere_Jones That's a long time to work dead-end jobs. [23:58]
mircea_popescu time don't flow equally fast for everybody. [23:58]
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