Forum logs for 17 Feb 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
mircea_popescu haha [00:00]
asciilifeform nope. this one - [00:00]
asciilifeform [00:00]
nubbins` :D [00:00]
nubbins` brilliant, no? [00:00]
mircea_popescu this is verboten in my harem. [00:00]
nubbins` now that's a nice business card [00:00]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform reminds me of an old blog post lemme see [00:00]
nubbins` perforated blotter art would make an amusing card too [00:00]
nubbins` "law-abiding citizen" [00:00]
asciilifeform or, [00:01]
asciilifeform [00:01]
mircea_popescu [00:01]
mircea_popescu nubbins` nah, Sovereign Druglord [00:01]
mircea_popescu in weird type and rainbow collors. [00:01]
mod6 yeah that one looks like mitnick's card: [00:01]
nubbins` heh. [00:01]
asciilifeform prisoners get cards? [00:02]
nubbins` "J. Keefe, sovereign" [00:02]
mod6 asciilifeform: post release [00:02]
asciilifeform the post-release one probably reads 'obedient peon' ? [00:02]
mircea_popescu nubbins` with a picture of a pinky ring o nthe back for the recipient to kiss [00:02]
nubbins` we want encryption, not a fucking bridge [00:03]
nubbins` that has a ring to it [00:03]
mircea_popescu ahahaha [00:03]
mod6 after he was released he was on Tech-TV or something and said, "yeah, its nice to be out... but i gotta wait like a year or something to get a cell phone... and I hvae this ankle bracelt for a few months.." [00:03]
asciilifeform obligatory russian drowning joke [00:03]
mircea_popescu do i know that one ? [00:03]
nubbins` ankle bracelet, fancy [00:03]
asciilifeform some time in medieval times, a father is leading his useless-mouth son to be drowned [00:03]
nubbins` house arrest is usually on the honor system here [00:04]
asciilifeform they pass an old man who says, 'don't drown this fellow. i'll feed him dumplings, he won't have to do any work but to dip them' [00:04]
asciilifeform son: 'whatdoyamean i gotta dip them' [00:04]
asciilifeform old man: 'drown him, father, drown, drown.' [00:04]
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mircea_popescu o o o yeah! [00:04]
cazalla i enjoyed his book from 2-3 years ago [00:06]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla: you could hit someone on the head if you could remember who you wanted to hit << epic. [00:07]
ThickAsThieves evoorhees seems to be posting on reddit lately [00:07]
ThickAsThieves doing panic control [00:07]
mircea_popescu jeez kako is on a roll. [00:07]
nubbins` ThickAsThieves: every time i hear "one of us" i think of that old movie "freaks" or w/e it's called [00:07]
nubbins` gooble gobble! [00:08]
nubbins` if kako was any sharper he'd cut himself [00:08]
ThickAsThieves the correct quote was "Drink this Michael. Become one of us" [00:08]
benkay rad illustration nubbins` [00:08]
ThickAsThieves had to look it up [00:08]
benkay being a stick figure is disappointing though [00:08]
nubbins` benkay, couldn't find my sketchbook OR a pen. threw me off. [00:09]
asciilifeform mitnick, the fellow who was kept in solitary because judge declared 'will start ww3 by whistling' ? [00:09]
cazalla interesting that i ran into evoorhees prior to bitcoin (wickedfire) [00:09]
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mircea_popescu being a stick figure is disappointing though << talk to the cook. [00:09]
mircea_popescu say "woman, make me a sammich. god knows being a stick figure is disappointing enough" [00:10]
mircea_popescu jurov you seen teh log ? [00:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00087257 = 9.162 BTC [-] {2} [00:11]
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mircea_popescu dub: i like white wimminz << why is that ? [00:12]
ThickAsThieves better slime [00:13]
mircea_popescu is it ? [00:13]
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ThickAsThieves i wouldnt know, the only time i had a chance with a black girl i wasnt single [00:13]
mircea_popescu i don't much like other race womenz. i mean creoles can be insanely hot, but otherwise, black, yellow, eskimo, w/e, they're all ugly. [00:14]
mircea_popescu and i imagined it's prolly the same for everyone. [00:14]
benkay [00:14]
ThickAsThieves i find other races hot too [00:14]
ozbot Frequently Asked Questions [00:14]
mircea_popescu (creole meaning in that sentence, woman with some white ancestry) [00:14]
mircea_popescu 2. What’s wrong with the current internet? [00:15]
mircea_popescu Many things actually. First of all, it is important to remember that the internet didn’t just come to be in its current form. [00:15]
mircea_popescu benkay sorry, disqualified [00:15]
mircea_popescu FOR STUPIDITY. [00:15]
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nubbins` benkay, [00:15]
pankkake doesn't work without javascript [00:15]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7041 @ 0.00022942 = 1.6153 BTC [-] {11} [00:15]
nubbins` me shrugs [00:15]
pankkake that's what is wrong with the internet [00:15]
nubbins` me forgets the / [00:15]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla:mp would argue with the bike thing. << how the fuck does he know that. [00:16]
benkay [00:16]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla you've been fucking my womenz on the quiet ?! [00:16]
pankkake you wrote about bikes being an instrument of evil remember? [00:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2262 @ 0.000229 = 0.518 BTC [-] {3} [00:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.12849999 = 1.285 BTC [+] [00:16]
mircea_popescu o i did ? k. [00:16]
nubbins` ha. [00:16]
mircea_popescu people reading my blogz and drilling my womenz ON THE QUIET [00:17]
nubbins` can't very well do it on the loud [00:17]
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kakobrekla id still double check on the womans thing. [00:17]
benkay mircea_popescu: it's got awful js and css - that's how you know REAL PROGRAMMERS built it [00:17]
mircea_popescu nubbins` why does your guy have bycicle wheels in his eye sockets dood [00:17]
benkay nubbins`: is that me? [00:17]
nubbins` benkay, mircea_popescu: artistic license [00:18]
mircea_popescu you know it suddenly dawned on me... nubbins can't actually draw. [00:18]
mircea_popescu i think he might be blind. [00:18]
nubbins` mircea_popescu: shh, don't tell the clients [00:18]
benkay mircea_popescu: why u no bikes? how ams evil? [00:18]
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mircea_popescu benkay bikes make men impotent. walking makes girl ass and legs look great. [00:18]
mircea_popescu you sort it out. [00:18]
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asciilifeform nubbins`: iosif vissarionovich! [00:18]
b00lcrap 1234 [00:18]
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bo0lcrap hey why shouldn't you fart in an apple store? [00:18]
bo0lcrap because they dont have windows! [00:19]
mircea_popescu because the metrosexuals may fall in love ? [00:19]
nubbins` heh. [00:19]
mircea_popescu mine's better. [00:19]
nubbins` anyway, regarding my ability to draw [00:19]
mircea_popescu what, is that a topic ? [00:19]
nubbins` is now! [00:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.12849999 = 0.514 BTC [+] [00:19]
* mircea_popescu takes note : nubbins` can't draw and is a narcissist [00:19]
nubbins` there's a reason why i asked pascale to draw those heraldics and not me ;p [00:20]
mircea_popescu she never drew you ? [00:20]
asciilifeform "We are still at idea stage. We’ve built a few simulations to test some parts of the system, but the main development hasn’t begun. We have published our whitepaper, which explains.." [00:20]
nubbins` ooh, good one [00:20]
nubbins` she has, in fact, drawn me [00:20]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform could this be merged into the yarvin thing ? [00:20]
nubbins` i'm not much for realism tho [00:21]
nubbins` takes too much talent [00:21]
asciilifeform it could just as easily be merged into Duke Nukem XXX. [00:21]
mircea_popescu nubbins` i however am much for criticism! [00:21]
nubbins` heh [00:21]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform lmao. maybe it should. [00:21]
nubbins` well you'll be happy to know that the band lapped up my snorting-coffee-grounds image: [00:21]
nubbins` [00:21]
ozbot imgur: the simple image sharer [00:21]
nubbins` i even have a picture of a smiling hipster wearing it, one sec [00:21]
mircea_popescu its actually pretty good [00:21]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 70 @ 0.0055 = 0.385 BTC [00:21]
mircea_popescu it takes decent advantage of your few strengths while carefully avoiding all your numerous weaknesses. [00:22]
benkay haha [00:22]
nubbins` sorry, n/m, the hipster is not smiling [00:22]
nubbins` [00:22]
ThickAsThieves lol [00:22]
nubbins` mircea_popescu: if i wanted to highlight my weaknesses i'd just print a photo of myself [00:22]
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ozbot imgur: the simple image sharer [00:22]
ThickAsThieves cake makes hipsters sad [00:22]
mircea_popescu lol [00:22]
nubbins` i know right? face full of sugar and still not happy [00:22]
nubbins` shit, maybe he's upset about the shirts. [00:23]
ThickAsThieves looks cool enough to me [00:23]
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nubbins` i'm always a bit surprised when i'm given free reign on design [00:23]
nubbins` always expecting "how about this?" to be met with "the fuck is your problem, asshole?" [00:24]
mircea_popescu "what are these people thinking" [00:24]
nubbins` well, yes [00:24]
nubbins` what ARE they thinking [00:24]
ThickAsThieves do you design shirts for non-hipster businesses? [00:25]
ThickAsThieves i bet those people would complain [00:25]
nubbins` most legit businesses come to us with art [00:25]
mircea_popescu which is how he got the idea he can draw in the first place. [00:25]
mircea_popescu by looking at all that art. [00:25]
benkay "art" [00:25]
ThickAsThieves so mean! [00:25]
benkay to bring us back to a much much earlier topic [00:25]
mircea_popescu someone stole my f's again [00:25]
nubbins` looking fat all that art [00:26]
mircea_popescu haha good 1 [00:26]
ThickAsThieves loo king fat all tha tart [00:26]
nubbins` make no mistake, i do not operate under the assumption that i can draw [00:26]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves this is el englisho, doesn't spello like thato./ [00:26]
mircea_popescu nubbins` just under the hope that others can't tell ? [00:27]
nubbins` has worked reasonably well so far, this approach [00:27]
ThickAsThieves it's performance art, people just buy souvenirs [00:27]
mircea_popescu if anyone ever asks me to back up assertions about collapsing standards in education i am definitely linking this in support. [00:27]
nubbins` hey, hold on now. i didn't go to art school [00:27]
mircea_popescu and btw, we need to start selling -asset tickets, this shit's too much fun. [00:27]
mircea_popescu nubbins` not for you, for the viewers. [00:28]
nubbins` aha. [00:28]
nubbins` was waiting for "no, really?" [00:28]
mircea_popescu sidestepped :D [00:28]
nubbins` graciously [00:28]
mircea_popescu sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, you know. [00:28]
nubbins` no, really? [00:28]
nubbins` :DDDDD [00:28]
ThickAsThieves my english teacher told me puns are [00:28]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves i bet your english teacher never got lied. [00:29]
nubbins` lights blinking and wind picking up, gonna try to fry some salmon while i still can. [00:29]
benkay american english teachers know neither english nor how to teach. [00:29]
ThickAsThieves he was a hideous creature of form and mind [00:29]
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mircea_popescu imagine if he's from the hillbilly country and his parents are Form and Mindy [00:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00087494 = 7.262 BTC [+] [00:30]
ThickAsThieves not punny [00:30]
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mircea_popescu anyway, has the esteemed & most serene college of the assets read my recent poem ? [00:30]
mircea_popescu pls to say nice things for else i'm cutting. [00:30]
ThickAsThieves ;;google trilema writes a poem [00:30]
gribble Romanian Dicelist pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Lewis's trilemma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; C. S. Lewis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: [00:30]
mircea_popescu ;;google trilema the letter third [00:31]
gribble Lewis's trilemma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Free exchange: A trio of trilemmas | The Economist: ; Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: [00:31]
asciilifeform i read it. needs a part II. [00:31]
mircea_popescu google is so fucking borkt... [00:31]
asciilifeform where the sultan meets his fate. [00:31]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform if you care [00:31]
mircea_popescu the 2nd part is not about the sultan (which is duly forgotten), but about how pissed off the author is with the current environment [00:32]
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mircea_popescu cca 1880 he was distraught that people learn jack shit in school and everyone's lazy and stupid and wtf is this politics conspiraci of nonsense. [00:32]
asciilifeform [00:32]
asciilifeform for anyone who never saw. [00:33]
benkay sottisier needs linking to bash.*, mircea_popescu [00:33]
mircea_popescu something like that. [00:33]
mircea_popescu benkay lol [00:33]
mircea_popescu don't be so mean, there's loads of smart things in there. [00:33]
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mircea_popescu [00:34]
benkay ah then then the forum [00:34]
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benkay yeah that in particular [00:34]
ozbot #bitcoin-assets bash [00:35]
pankkake sottisier ? [00:36]
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mircea_popescu cads what i want to know is when the fuck did romanian and cabbage get identified. what, cause cluj cabbage ? [00:36]
mircea_popescu pankkake certes. [00:36]
* pankkake learned a French word today [00:36]
mircea_popescu nowai. [00:36]
mircea_popescu from ME ?! [00:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28100 @ 0.00087224 = 24.5099 BTC [-] {2} [00:37]
pankkake from benkay technically [00:37]
* mircea_popescu deflates [00:38]
benkay ZING [00:38]
mircea_popescu fu benkay stealer of my things. [00:38]
pankkake if only your posts weren't that long, I would read them sooner [00:38]
benkay yup [00:38]
* mircea_popescu hatches deviouis plan to give false impressions to benkay leading him to try to immitate with the predictable result of losing his house, his ship, his sword, his woman and ending up alone on an island! [00:39]
Mats_cd03 can i have the sword [00:39]
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mircea_popescu (which, incidentally, is a film with paolo villaggio [00:39]
pankkake does he lose his XP too? [00:39]
benkay i don't imitate, mircea_popescu i steap. [00:39]
benkay steal* [00:39]
benkay i begin to understand why offices work [00:40]
mircea_popescu pankkake no, that he keeps [00:40]
benkay you're responsible for the distractions roaming around [00:40]
Mats_cd03 i tried to buy a .jp relic once, dealer tried to gouge me for $5k [00:40]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG.F] 1 @ 2 BTC [+] [00:41]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: lucky me, turned up, [00:41]
Mats_cd03 found a replica that was better than the real thing on ebay for $200 [00:41]
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Mats_cd03 although the replica didnt kill hundreds of chinese so i guess its inferior tbh [00:42]
mircea_popescu И, роняя капли света, словно брызги дождевые, [00:42]
mircea_popescu От восхода до заката встали радуги ночные. [00:42]
mircea_popescu you know that's not so bad. [00:43]
benkay you can always imbue your replica with that property, though, Mats_cd03 [00:43]
benkay anyways that kind of property is kind of unique and so therefore probably worth in excess of 5k [00:43]
benkay that's what, less than an mpex seat? [00:43]
benkay sounds like a deal. [00:44]
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Mats_cd03 it was a relic owned by a descendant of a .jp soldier in nanjing [00:44]
benkay "how many human lives is an mpex seat worth" [00:44]
mircea_popescu o it's the old soviet translation isn't it. [00:44]
mircea_popescu yeah they actually put a lot of effort into getting it right for some reason. [00:44]
Mats_cd03 definitely worth more than 5k [00:44]
asciilifeform Mats_cd03: ww2 jp. swords suck (the issued ones, not the familial relics some of the nobles carried) [00:44]
asciilifeform not even reall japanese in style. more or less copies of eur. cavalry sabers of late 19th [00:45]
asciilifeform i thought serious sword folks knew that. [00:45]
Mats_cd03 ya i thought so, so i picked up a carbon fibre weapon made with modern techniques [00:45]
* mircea_popescu directs benkay to the ample earlier discussions re nonfungibility of teh humans. [00:45]
benkay read it [00:45]
benkay thing is most humans are totally fungible [00:45]
Mats_cd03 i have no expertise in that sort of thing, i meant to buy it as a gift for a colleague [00:45]
mircea_popescu teh sheeple!11 [00:45]
mircea_popescu Mats_cd03 why'd you buy things you don't know to make gifts ? [00:46]
benkay the upper end of skill experience and what have ye isn't but that's a vanishingly small slice. [00:46]
mircea_popescu putting your friend in the awkward position of having been vicariously scammed doesn't seem like much of a gift [00:46]
Mats_cd03 dude was a huge sword buff and owned all sorts of probably illegal war trophies [00:46]
mircea_popescu so therefore your odds of giving him something he doesn't think is shit are... <0.0001% ? [00:47]
Mats_cd03 well i expected him to know the shit gift i bought him was shit [00:47]
mircea_popescu oic. [00:47]
benkay 300 bucks'll get you a pretty nice bottle of wine, Mats_cd03. [00:47]
Mats_cd03 the garbage wine he drinks is more than that [00:48]
benkay if you can avoid getting scammed ;) [00:48]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7442 @ 0.00087201 = 6.4895 BTC [-] {2} [00:48]
Mats_cd03 how do you buy gifts for someone who has everything [00:48]
Mats_cd03 i mean... besides a vagina purse [00:48]
Mats_cd03 [00:48]
ozbot Keep Your Money Safe – in Your Vagina | Craftastrophe [00:48]
mircea_popescu wait this was a woman ? [00:48]
Mats_cd03 no lol [00:49]
benkay human belt. [00:49]
benkay whoopie cushin [00:49]
benkay cushion [00:49]
mircea_popescu nubbins`: hey, fuck you guys << lawl. [00:51]
mircea_popescu i cant believe after all you nuts picking on poor nubsy i came in and picked him off as new. [00:51]
mircea_popescu all that's missing is herbi driving a jet over his cat or something. [00:52]
ThickAsThieves mp the Like button and +1 button are missing from trilema [00:52]
ThickAsThieves how can i express myself without expressing myself? [00:52]
benkay oh yeah also while we're on the topic your discus implementation is fucking horrendous too [00:52]
benkay disqus* [00:53]
ThickAsThieves also where's your keyword cloud [00:53]
ThickAsThieves so useful those things [00:53]
mircea_popescu o yeah ? well i had sex with your wife! [00:53]
* ThickAsThieves lacks witty retort [00:54]
benkay yeah man keyword clouds are where its at [00:54]
benkay get with the 2004 mang [00:54]
mircea_popescu (the cannonical is, "his wife has cancer") [00:54]
mircea_popescu it's from the shrimpstore seinfeld episode. [00:54]
mircea_popescu [00:54]
ozbot :: Scripts :: 147-The Comeback [00:54]
mircea_popescu bah fuck me, "his wife is in a coma". [00:55]
ThickAsThieves lol [00:56]
ThickAsThieves even better [00:56]
ThickAsThieves saying she's dead wouldnt be as funny either [00:56]
mircea_popescu nope. [00:56]
mircea_popescu they really polished those scripts. [00:56]
mircea_popescu you don't realise this on the first pass, watching it or w/e, but just try as a cw exercise to improve on them. [00:56]
ThickAsThieves i find tv shows to be increasingly predictable, i dont just mean boring [00:57]
cazalla curb is better [00:57]
ThickAsThieves i mean like where foreshadowing is painfully obvious [00:58]
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ThickAsThieves or like how they use almost famous actors as cameo villians [00:58]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33245 @ 0.00087525 = 29.0977 BTC [+] {3} [00:59]
Vexual asciilifeform: nothing wrong with ww2 japanese swords, good factory steel relinquished in shame [00:59]
benkay curb? CURB?! [00:59]
benkay show is miserable. [01:00]
benkay awkward comedy at its worst. [01:00]
benkay nobody on that show can tell a joke. [01:00]
benkay maybe the joke is on me expecting comedy [01:00]
ThickAsThieves it's the Altcoin of comedy shows [01:01]
ThickAsThieves "is this a joke?" [01:01]
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mircea_popescu cazalla curb is atrocious. [01:02]
mircea_popescu "bro do you even joke ?" [01:02]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves yeah, well, that'd be a funcrtion of you growing less retarded over time. [01:03]
mircea_popescu like for instance the mtgox thing ? totally impredictable and shocking for a few people. [01:04]
mircea_popescu somewhere. [01:04]
benkay so gox: criminally incompetent? criminals? or just incompetent? [01:04]
benkay [18:30] [01:04]
benkay i cant tell which [01:04]
benkay i know some [01:04]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 46 @ 0.00296 = 0.1362 BTC [-] [01:04]
mircea_popescu you're promiscuous :D [01:05]
benkay disregarded me for months [01:05]
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benkay not terribly, it's the local btc irc channel [01:05]
benkay reptations get built in more places than -assets [01:05]
benkay and AND [01:05]
benkay i wear condoms. [01:05]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30100 @ 0.00087198 = 26.2466 BTC [-] {2} [01:05]
benkay so it's okay baby [01:05]
mircea_popescu boys should b e promiscuous anyway. [01:06]
benkay hear hear [01:06]
benkay what about men? [01:06]
mircea_popescu "The term can carry a moral judgement and is viewed in the context of a mainstream social ideal for sexual activity to occur within exclusive committed relationships." [01:06]
mircea_popescu ahahaha wikipedia is grand. [01:06]
mircea_popescu "i know! let's give a bunch of clueless twits the unwarranted, indefensible idea that what they know and think is universal, and then let's have them write it all out. [01:07]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 65 @ 0.00297498 = 0.1934 BTC [+] [01:07]
mircea_popescu educated, intelligent people everywhere will be entertained." [01:07]
mircea_popescu "for free." [01:07]
benkay britannica or gtfo [01:08]
cazalla mircea_popescu: because it's jewish? [01:08]
benkay and i mean the actual fucking bound volumes. [01:08]
mircea_popescu nah [01:08]
nubbins` i cant believe after all you nuts picking on poor nubsy i came in and picked him off as new. [01:08]
nubbins` i can't even get a break! [01:09]
mircea_popescu [01:09]
ozbot #bitcoin-assets log [01:09]
mircea_popescu cazalla weren;t you from down under ? [01:09]
nubbins` earlier i was asking some guy about encryption and he starts going off about bridges! [01:09]
cazalla mircea_popescu: yes [01:09]
mircea_popescu jesus, herbi is the proximate cause for me trying to rewatch that crud, cause he also claimed it's better than seinfeld. [01:10]
mircea_popescu and he's also from there. [01:10]
mircea_popescu you people must have really brainrotting tv or something. [01:10]
nubbins` curb is funny if you think watching adults endure horrendously awkward situations is funny [01:10]
benkay he's also a wannabe quant computer guy [01:10]
nubbins` if you don't, well, it just isn't [01:10]
mircea_popescu but they suck. they can't act, they aren't funny. [01:10]
benkay and i think into anime shit as well. [01:10]
mircea_popescu i'd rather watch the surveillance cam [01:10]
cazalla curb is better than seinfeld [01:10]
benkay oh shit herbi's into some wackness [01:10]
nubbins` mircea_popescu, that's the thing. they're not even trying to act [01:11]
mircea_popescu hm, maybe that's what it is, the curb thing is funny for people who don't have access to surveillance cams, [01:11]
benkay he and Vexual were wanking each other off the nother night. [01:11]
nubbins` benkay :0 [01:11]
benkay it was vile [01:11]
benkay anime music videos [01:11]
benkay horrible house music [01:11]
nubbins` oof [01:11]
mircea_popescu at least it wasn't dub step. [01:11]
benkay eh [01:11]
benkay i've done too many drugs with dubstep playing to care about it anymore [01:12]
nubbins` (dub: don't want to be paged? don't choose a nick that's a genre of music) [01:12]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: having loads of fun with herr eminescu. [01:12]
mircea_popescu nubbins` dun worry, he knows i only do it to bother him [01:12]
pankkake dubsteb isn't all bad. just ignore the mainstream [01:12]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform hey, write a russian variant! [01:12]
nubbins` dubstep, aka run some techno through a VCF [01:12]
mircea_popescu dubstep is okay if you're into fucking fifteen year olds. [01:12]
nubbins` and tweak the cutoff & peak knobs so it goes WOM WOM [01:12]
benkay well once upon a time [01:13]
benkay can't get away with it anymore [01:13]
davout wow: [01:13]
benkay mircea_popescu: ^^ [01:13]
nubbins` dubstep is essentially "i bought a bunch of Moog modules and can't be fucked to learn how to use any of them" [01:13]
mircea_popescu i could but srsly... i prefer tits and a nicely formed hip-thigh complex. [01:13]
benkay nubbins`: nobody buys moog modules and so therefore has no incentive to actually learn them [01:13]
benkay no investment of money, no investment of time. [01:13]
benkay "why are these tools so hard bawwww" [01:14]
nubbins` heh. [01:14]
mircea_popescu italy is pretty much bankrupt. [01:14]
mircea_popescu how is this news ? [01:14]
nubbins` you have a point, they're doing it all with softsynths [01:14]
mircea_popescu italy has never, ever, at any poiint in its history, been able to pay the bills. [01:14]
mircea_popescu while the austrians paid for them, italy existed, then it didn't [01:14]
Vexual when in rome [01:14]
mircea_popescu then hitler took over, [01:14]
mircea_popescu then they didn't. [01:14]
mircea_popescu then germany took over, now they don't... [01:14]
nubbins` altho i suspect the "free" vs "$10k+" thing is a deciding factor when choosing softsynths over modulars too [01:14]
pankkake well most of the "dubstep" I like is closer to drum and bass. still… [01:14]
mircea_popescu it's not going to end. italians are willing to spend your money or starve. either way. [01:15]
pankkake eh, you can find 5-minute howto dubstep on youtube [01:15]
benkay nubbins`: that's precisely the problem. when people can't be arsed to figure out how to get their tools to make money, they don't arse themselves to grok the tools either. [01:15]
nubbins` pankkake, that's the problem [01:15]
Mats_cd03 [01:15]
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nubbins` 10k "producers" watching a 5 minute tutorial on youtube and "releasing tracks" [01:15]
benkay if the tools are free, why develop competence when everyone else you know hacking on them is just as incompetent as yourself? [01:16]
Mats_cd03 if you feel gangster listening to this trap mix... we are in agreement [01:16]
pankkake so dubstep songs are like altcoins [01:16]
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benkay all techno is cryptocoins [01:16]
nubbins` pankkake sort of, but more people take dubstep seriously [01:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 202 @ 0.00084 = 0.1697 BTC [+] [01:16]
nubbins` and i suspect altcoins are no fun on club drugs [01:17]
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nubbins` mircea_popescu, did you send those atc yet? [01:17]
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mircea_popescu which atc ? the atc you never said you wanted ? [01:17]
cads behold the amazing power of 40,000 trolls to play pokemon for three days straight via random button presses: [01:17]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [01:17]
cads AMAZING [01:17]
nubbins` hey, i never said i didn't want em [01:17]
nubbins` i even gave you most of an address [01:18]
pankkake [01:18]
Mats_cd03 i imagine youd have to be doped up to care about altcoins [01:18]
mircea_popescu lolk [01:18]
nubbins` send as many as you want [01:18]
mircea_popescu cads i thought pokemon was a cartoon series. [01:18]
nubbins` Mats_cd03: oh, you might be onto something there [01:18]
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Mats_cd03 it was a game first i thought [01:18]
cads mircea_popescu: I'm not sure what came first, the video game nerd or the egg. [01:18]
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mircea_popescu aok. [01:19]
Vexual altcoin, not altcoins [01:19]
Mats_cd03 wtf am i listening to pankkake [01:19]
pankkake Mats_cd03: the impaled northern moonforest of dubstep [01:19]
benkay i'll take nubbins`' altcoins [01:19]
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nubbins` you'll take them if your address starts with 1AltcoinSucksCocks [01:20]
Vexual altcoin is the plural! [01:20]
benkay shut up Vexual [01:20]
mircea_popescu A scientific study published in 2005 found that promiscuous men and women are judged equally harshly and a recent poll showed that both genders tend to express strong preference for sexually conservative partners. [01:20]
mircea_popescu dude this is absurd. [01:20]
Mats_cd03 this is the worst thing i have listened to in months [01:20]
CiPi Real men use real things. :) Like bitcoin, not altcoin. [01:20]
CiPi loosers use altcoins. [01:20]
mircea_popescu someone prefers sexually conservative parties, somewhere in that africa over there across the atlantic ?! [01:21]
benkay doncha know mircea_popescu [01:21]
benkay we all sit around and talk about what kind of sex we'd like to have [01:21]
benkay get all horny [01:21]
benkay and then go home [01:21]
pankkake but it's not altcoins, it's Altcoin [01:21]
nubbins` 1AltcoinSucksCocks0123456789abcdef [01:22]
nubbins` there we go [01:22]
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benkay pankkake: just transfer the coins nubbins` is throwing away to my account under your mgmt plz [01:22]
nubbins` the fuck is this, an auction? [01:23]
mircea_popescu lol [01:23]
benkay it's sunday in -assets! [01:23]
benkay #musical number begins [01:23]
nubbins` i am entitled to my entitlements! [01:23]
benkay you guys we need a stage musical [01:23]
mircea_popescu benkay i'm not giving preciously minted atc to the heathens! [01:23]
TATwalking I tell ya tho software producing takes a shit ton of time to get good at [01:23]
benkay wait i'm no heathen [01:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18583 @ 0.0008743 = 16.2471 BTC [+] [01:23]
nubbins` TATwalking, this is why so few are good at it [01:24]
benkay this stage musical would have GLBSE [01:24]
benkay Colored Coins [01:24]
benkay Amir Taaki [01:24]
nubbins` "i'm a producer" can almost universally be responded to with "no you're not" [01:24]
benkay all as like transient guests that occasionally show up and say nonsensical things [01:24]
* mircea_popescu waits for the TATwalkedintoapole [01:24]
Vexual lol [01:24]
mircea_popescu nubbins` or with "it'll still cost you 70 for half and half" [01:25]
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nubbins` hah. [01:25]
mircea_popescu he's not a producer, she is a whore, honesty all the way. [01:25]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 191 @ 0.00084157 = 0.1607 BTC [+] {2} [01:25]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1285 BTC [+] [01:26]
nubbins` "altcoin: the commodity so valuable that people don't even want others throwing theirs away" [01:26]
mircea_popescu i paid good satoshis for that stuff i'll have you know. [01:26]
TATwalking I dodge the occasional tree :) [01:26]
nubbins` tell that to my empty atc address! [01:26]
Apocalyptic nubbins`, then buy some [01:27]
nubbins` Apocalyptic, i think you missed the point by about 5km [01:27]
Apocalyptic yeah i must admit haven't read the scroll [01:27]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 31 @ 0.0055 = 0.1705 BTC [01:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.06913778 = 3.4569 BTC [-] {4} [01:28]
mircea_popescu Apocalyptic few do. [01:28]
mircea_popescu it's five hours a day. [01:28]
nubbins` i was bequeathed some atc and now can't get anybody to follow through! [01:28]
mircea_popescu nubbins` because you were a smartass with derpy nonaddresses [01:28]
nubbins` totally is an address. [01:28]
nubbins` there's what, 2^9 private keys that will generate that address [01:28]
TATwalking now you must shoe on head [01:28]
mircea_popescu longest vanity in history. [01:28]
nubbins` well, 1MatthewNWrightIsAScammer was taken [01:29]
mircea_popescu obviously nubbins` did not read the protocol enough to know about the checksum. [01:29]
nubbins` OOOOOH [01:29]
nubbins` well fuck me [01:29]
mircea_popescu noty, but i did lel all the way/ [01:29]
nubbins` heh [01:29]
nubbins` isn't my face red! [01:29]
benkay i thought it was mostly white with some tatooos [01:29]
nubbins` guess i better go read up &c &c [01:29]
mircea_popescu ppl come to this chan thinking they're real smart all the time. [01:29]
nubbins` benkay, heh [01:30]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1980 @ 0.00043849 = 0.8682 BTC [-] [01:30]
mircea_popescu we're kinda used to it. [01:30]
nubbins` tbf i came to this chan with no such delusion [01:30]
mircea_popescu why be fair ? [01:30]
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nubbins` it's all that separates us from the savages [01:30]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: "На коне своем любимом Мирча в самой гуще боя, / Он ведет свою лавину, попирая все живое." [01:30]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG.F] 1 @ 2 BTC [+] [01:31]
TATwalking that and the Canadian border [01:31]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i know i know, it's very flattering. [01:31]
nubbins` TATwalking: unfortunately, we let americans through all the time [01:31]
asciilifeform named after this fellow? [01:31]
mircea_popescu the actual subject is mircea the old, [01:31]
asciilifeform aha. [01:31]
mircea_popescu well no, named after my father. [01:31]
nubbins` the only instance i can recall that a canadian went the other way is when that guy swam from windsor to detroit after slamming 8 beers, to see if he could [01:32]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.06720001 = 0.5376 BTC [+] [01:32]
nubbins` (he could) [01:32]
Vexual thats called@ after breakfast@ here [01:32]
TATwalking and birner [01:32]
TATwalking bieber [01:32]
mircea_popescu TATwalking stop derping with your smartphone and pick up women [01:33]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.128625 = 0.5145 BTC [+] {2} [01:33]
mircea_popescu that's what walks are for. [01:33]
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TATwalking lol [01:33]
TATwalking these are too heavy [01:33]
nubbins` the women? [01:33]
TATwalking :) [01:33]
Vexual hes carrying two desktops [01:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00297498 = 0.2975 BTC [+] [01:34]
nubbins` one for irc, one for ___ [01:34]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform technically Mircea însuşi mână-n luptă vijelia-ngrozitoare, Care vine, vine, vine, calcă totul în picioare; is mircea himself leads into battle the fearsome tempest that coming, coming, coming, tramples everything underfoot. [01:34]
mircea_popescu they didn't have cgi in the 1800s, and you can almost see how much they'd have liked it [01:34]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: more or less exactly. [01:34]
mircea_popescu by all the effort they put into verbaly emmulating it [01:34]
asciilifeform hell, Homer does just this. [01:34]
mircea_popescu indeed. [01:35]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.06720001 = 0.2688 BTC [+] [01:35]
nubbins` turns out dickens didn't go on about the grocers for the word count [01:35]
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nubbins` [01:37]
ozbot John Morillo, Windsor man who swam across Detroit River, regrets it - Windsor - CBC News [01:38]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: love the ending. [01:39]
mircea_popescu remarkably reusable for 150 yo code. [01:40]
asciilifeform always had a soft spot for herr Tepes. [01:40]
Namworld Fun gif: [01:40]
mircea_popescu you mean the actual vlad or the other vlad dracul guy ? [01:41]
asciilifeform actual. [01:41]
asciilifeform the one who knew what to do with turks. [01:41]
mircea_popescu he beheaded a bunch of medieval jpm&co bankers [01:41]
benkay that's intense Namworld [01:41]
mircea_popescu as a result got a pretty bad wrap in the english language press of the time [01:42]
mircea_popescu which was german. [01:42]
benkay mircea_popescu: "bad rap" [01:42]
benkay as in rap sheet, arrest history [01:42]
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Namworld It sure is... [01:43]
mircea_popescu that'd be the literal. [01:43]
mircea_popescu Kazıklı Bey haha good one. [01:45]
WillTablet Hello [01:46]
benkay welcome [01:47]
WillTablet I gave myself a challenge - break even on the $18 worth of server I used to mine about 0.007 BTC worth of dogecoin [01:47]
benkay and? [01:47]
WillTablet And I'm pretty interested to see how it ends up [01:48]
nubbins` :/ [01:48]
nubbins` anti-climax [01:48]
benkay ;;ticker [01:48]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 625.66, Best ask: 625.68, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 625.68, 24 hour volume: 26319.78171749, 24 hour low: 590.01, 24 hour high: 670.0, 24 hour vwap: 627.53549918 [01:48]
WillTablet Ima try and get some of it back, I prolly won't break even [01:48]
benkay ;;calc 623 * 0.007 [01:48]
gribble 4.361 [01:48]
WillTablet Ima lend it to a reputable borrower on btcjam or something [01:48]
benkay why not just learn the lesson, WillTablet? [01:48]
benkay you're only out like 12 buck [01:49]
WillTablet During the loan period, I will read up on shares and economics [01:49]
nubbins` reputable borrower [01:49]
benkay hey WillTablet let me give you a bit of insight [01:49]
WillTablet Go ahead [01:49]
nubbins` if there's one thing that speaks to a man's repute, it's his constant need of loans [01:49]
pankkake is btcjam like coinlenders? [01:49]
benkay in ten years that 0.007 BTC will be worth several x your dollars [01:49]
benkay without any risk due to lending it out. [01:50]
WillTablet True [01:50]
mircea_popescu pankkake it;s more like a logical continuation of glbse. [01:50]
mircea_popescu they came out with figures at some point that on average 30% of loans were delinquent. [01:50]
mircea_popescu (course ignoramuses that they are, it was a victorious point of pride) [01:50]
nubbins` almost 70% of loans repaid! [01:50]
WillTablet benkay: if that's the case, why does anyone invest? I want to do it as an experiment, and expect to lose it all [01:51]
asciilifeform 'Filtration System, a Marvel to Behold! It Removes 80% of Human Solid Waste!' [01:51]
benkay if you expect to lose it, why bother? [01:51]
benkay if you want to actually invest it, put it into MPEx. [01:51]
benkay it's a really good question, WillTablet. [01:51]
nubbins` yeah, put 0.0007 btc into mpex [01:51]
WillTablet Sarcasm? [01:51]
nubbins` yes [01:51]
nubbins` altho i think benkay was srs [01:52]
benkay the fundamental assumption is that a given operation will grow in value faster than btc. [01:52]
ThickAsThieves i saw a btcjam presentation once, he was surprisingly transparent [01:52]
ThickAsThieves considering how ba dthe numbers are [01:52]
benkay eh semi serious [01:52]
benkay kiddo doesn't know mpex [01:52]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the point there being that there's a point of delinquency where loan packages become unworthy. all this is old fiat finance grease. [01:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00087198 = 4.8831 BTC [-] [01:52]
mircea_popescu like you know, knowing what a space cadet kbd is. [01:52]
benkay 0.007'd get et by jurov's fees instantly right? [01:52]
WillTablet mpex costs like 30 BTC a seat though [01:52]
benkay WillTablet:, although i think fees would eat you alive [01:53]
nubbins` i think the min deposit is more than that [01:53]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: fave story re: tepes: 'Некогда же обедоваше под трупием мертвых человек, иже на колие саженых, множество бо округ стола его; он же среди их ядяше и тем услажашеся. Слуга же его, иже пред ним ясти ставляше, смраду оного не могии тер [01:53]
asciilifeform пети и заткну нос и на страну главу свою склони. Он же вопроси его: "что ради тако чинишь?" Он же отвеща государю: "не могу смрада сего терпети". Дракула же ту и повеле его на кол всадити, глаголя: "тамо ти есть высоко жити, смрад не м [01:53]
ThickAsThieves i imagine btcjam will be end up as proportionally unpopular as [01:53]
asciilifeform ожеть тебе доити".' (old russ. from [01:53]
benkay your alternative is to throw it away on scams that don't have fees because they're not really businesses. [01:53]
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ThickAsThieves -be [01:53]
ThickAsThieves [01:53]
benkay if you want to learn investing, borrow some money from your parents WillTablet and put it into Tesla. [01:53]
benkay some into us treasury bonds [01:53]
ozbot Merkel, Hollande to discuss European communication network avoiding U.S. [01:53]
asciilifeform translation: 'once dining under the corpses of men, those impaled on stakes, many sat around his table, dining among him and in this taking plasure. servant of his, placing food before him, could not endure the stench, [01:54]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves i never heard of [01:54]
ThickAsThieves tsla is a pretty nicely volatile stock to play with [01:54]
ThickAsThieves now you have! [01:54]
nubbins` but bitcoin gives my portfolio all the volatility that i need [01:54]
ThickAsThieves it's pretty old [01:54]
WillTablet benkay: heh my parents wouldn't let me [01:54]
asciilifeform and plugged his nose and turned his head. lord asked him, 'why do you this.' answered he: 'cannot endure the stench'. [01:54]
WillTablet I'm actually lending money to them atm [01:54]
benkay sounds like a rat fuck of bad decisions, WillTablet [01:55]
benkay why are you doing that? [01:55]
ThickAsThieves lend money to parents? [01:55]
ThickAsThieves just give it [01:55]
asciilifeform drakula ordered the man sat upon the stake, taller than others: 'high is this place, you will live free of the stench there.' [01:55]
nubbins` rat fuck, i like that [01:55]
asciilifeform (end of trans.) [01:55]
benkay they'll take it from you when they're old and dying anyways. [01:55]
mircea_popescu hehe [01:55]
WillTablet They are giving me something like 3% interest, might be 5 actually [01:55]
benkay more likely -100%. [01:55]
WillTablet I might play about with investopedia [01:56]
benkay *sigh* [01:56]
benkay have fun, kid. [01:56]
ThickAsThieves question, did any of you tell your parents to buy btc? [01:56]
benkay yup. [01:56]
nubbins` yes [01:56]
ThickAsThieves and did they? [01:57]
nubbins` no [01:57]
kakobrekla i got mine in at 5$. [01:57]
benkay good man [01:57]
nubbins` gave my dad a casascius coin for his birthday one year [01:57]
benkay mine were burning retirement capital until 6 months ago [01:57]
WillTablet benkay: sarcasm? [01:57]
benkay irony [01:57]
benkay WillTablet ^^ [01:57]
Mats_cd03 whats going on with these tx inssues [01:58]
Mats_cd03 ^issues [01:58]
benkay the internet isn't going to teach you anything about investing except via exceptional losses. [01:58]
WillTablet So basically, the best thing to do with my bitcoins is to forget about them till I see on the news oh BTC is worth £4000 now [01:58]
asciilifeform EU: 'we'll build separate net. and run more winblows. our road to victory.' [01:58]
Mats_cd03 bitpay doesn't work anymore, whining about some signature or other [01:58]
ThickAsThieves "We'll talk with France about how we can maintain a high level of data protection," Merkel said. [01:59]
WillTablet They have a market simulator though I suppose the psychological effect is different if its not real money [01:59]
Duffer1 keep your btc [01:59]
benkay keep your btc [01:59]
ThickAsThieves seems like an awful lot of trouble to not solve spying [02:00]
WillTablet keep your btc [02:00]
benkay hang on WillTablet i have a book for you [02:00]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform eu : we will say all sorts of things in no relation to what we actually do. it's what built rome. [02:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.0008724 = 14.0456 BTC [+] [02:00]
benkay WillTablet: there are two books for you to read before you put any money into the market [02:00]
WillTablet Okay [02:00]
benkay The Intelligent Investor by Benjamin Graham [02:00]
pankkake ThickAsThieves: yeah, it's a high level of full of shitness. I hope nothing comes out of it, because the real motives probably aren't good [02:00]
WillTablet Are they heavy reading? [02:00]
benkay and Buffett - the Making of an American Capitalist [02:00]
mircea_popescu hey not bad. [02:01]
mircea_popescu krugman approved reading. [02:01]
benkay yup. [02:01]
Duffer1 ha [02:01]
benkay if you can't make it through them, you're not ready for the markets. [02:01]
WillTablet Might get the pdf as parents would probably be like wtf investing [02:01]
benkay mircea_popescu: you have recommendations? [02:01]
benkay WillTablet: yeah get u some pdfs [02:01]
benkay WillTablet: learning is free these days. take advantage of it. [02:02]
benkay WillTablet: far more difficult than when we were taught, but hey this is the real world. [02:02]
mircea_popescu benkay i dun see a problem. [02:02]
Mats_cd03 books are for nerds [02:02]
mircea_popescu so is your girlfriend. [02:02]
WillTablet benkay: does it involve anything more that grade 10 maths? [02:02]
benkay nope. [02:02]
WillTablet Good [02:02]
Mats_cd03 i pray to god for investment purposes [02:02]
WillTablet Then I should be fine [02:02]
Mats_cd03 my homeboy jesus knows whats good with k street [02:03]
mircea_popescu if you gotta pray to god for investment purpoises better make sure you pray to the god of the jooze. [02:03]
benkay the most complicated thing you'll ever encounter in most practical investment problems is time discounting of money WillTablet [02:03]
benkay WillTablet: have you worked with exponentials? [02:03]
mircea_popescu either that or set theory. [02:03]
WillTablet Sort of [02:03]
benkay ^1/5 etc? [02:03]
benkay e^-iπ? [02:03]
WillTablet No [02:04]
benkay it's not that bad :) [02:04]
WillTablet shouldn't be too bad, no [02:04]
benkay and you won't need it to learn the important stuff about not losing your shirt. [02:04]
benkay but kid listen [02:04]
benkay sit on your butts [02:04]
benkay acquire more, don't burn the ones you have. [02:04]
Mats_cd03 buy some atc, its the hot new thiing [02:05]
Mats_cd03 in fact... trade all your buttcoins for atc [02:05]
benkay yeah hey mircea_popescu give the kid some atc [02:05]
mircea_popescu what am i, made of money ? [02:05]
ThickAsThieves WillTablet go here and install the wallet [02:05]
WillTablet The kid [02:05]
ThickAsThieves i'll give him some [02:05]
kakobrekla Willy The Kid [02:06]
mircea_popescu WillTablet he's trying to be me, don't take it to heart. [02:06]
WillTablet Sorry, I am on an android ATM [02:06]
WillTablet Will google [02:06]
pankkake trades happenin! [02:06]
ozbot X-BT - The new marketplace for trading Bitcoin with Litecoin, Namecoin and Altcoin [02:06]
benkay so how do we get the atc ticker in -assets? [02:07]
mircea_popescu Learn your Atc Btc Ctcs! [02:07]
mircea_popescu mebbe if we .bait assbot [02:07]
Duffer1 .bait brought to you by Altcoin [02:07]
WillTablet ThickAsThieves: could you do so tomorrow maybe? I'm supposed to be in bed ATM, and am [02:07]
benkay .bait [02:08]
ozbot [02:08]
Mats_cd03 lols [02:08]
Bugpowder ThickAsThieves: I got my dad in at $20, he exited at $80, happy to make $60k. [02:09]
pankkake well, x-bt API is annoying. need an api key even to get trades [02:09]
Vexual [02:10]
ozbot Image View - TIS [02:10]
Apocalyptic pankkake, yeah, a public API is under construction [02:10]
Bugpowder I knew I should have bought on the dip below $600... [02:10]
Bugpowder Just added a bit at $625. [02:10]
Bugpowder Where is the alt faucet? [02:11]
asciilifeform "came to drakula two catholic monks, from the hungarian lands, pittances to collect. he ordered them brought apart, and called up one, pointed to the yard, where one could see many sat upon stakes, or on wheels broken. he did ask: 'was i just? and who are these people, sitting on stakes?' answered the monk, 'no, lord, you do evil, killing without mercy; a lord must be merciful. and those sat upon the stakes - a [02:11]
asciilifeform re martyrs!' drakula called in the other monk and asked him same. he did answer: 'you, lord, are called by god to put to death evildoers and reward the virtuous. as for those upon the stakes, they wrought evil and were justly punished.' drakula spoke again to the first monk, 'why did you leave your cloister in the monastery and walk about the courts of great lords, if you know nothing of the world? you said you [02:11]
asciilifeform rself, these people are martyrs. so i wish to make you a martyr, be in the company of your fellows.' and ordered him sat upon a stake, but the other monk, sent with fifty golden ducats back to the hungarian borders, 'you are a wise man.' [02:11]
WillTablet Wonder what they mean by virtually priceless? [02:12]
benkay it's nice seeing y'all hash through the requirements of launching an altcoin [02:12]
* benkay adds faucet to the list [02:12]
WillTablet Does that mean worthless? [02:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00087198 = 3.3135 BTC [-] [02:12]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform :) [02:13]
mircea_popescu help create the world you wish to live in. [02:13]
asciilifeform circa 1486. "Сказание о Дракуле-воеводе." translation mine. [02:13]
mircea_popescu benkay it's not really belonging on the list. let people do their own charity personally. [02:13]
pankkake well, it doesn't even werk. or I'm using my client wrong … [02:14]
mircea_popescu curious what cads reads off that story :D [02:15]
benkay i hear and obey [02:15]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG.F2] 2 @ 2 = 4 BTC [+] [02:15]
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mircea_popescu many hurias await thee in the land beyond the wobbles. [02:16]
mircea_popescu hm i guess in english it actually is houries [02:17]
benkay save the houries for chaang-noi [02:18]
mircea_popescu i doubt he gets any. [02:18]
cads hmm, what is this land beyond the wobbles? [02:18]
ThickAsThieves ThickAsThieves: could you do so tomorrow maybe? I'm supposed to be in bed ATM, and am /// yes just find me whenever [02:18]
mircea_popescu he'll prolly have to fuck cockroaches for all eternity. [02:18]
asciilifeform 'came once from the hungarian lands a merchant to the city of drakula. and, as is custom at his court, left his cart on the city street in front of the house, and his wares - on the cart, and himself went to sleep in the house. and someone did steal from the cart 160 gold ducats. the merchant came to drakula, spoke to him of the missing gold. drakula answered, 'go, this same night you will have your gold again. [02:18]
asciilifeform ' and ordered that in the whole city the thief be sought, 'should you fail to find him, the city shall perish.' and ordered the same night his old gold placed on the cart - with one added duacat. morning came, the mechant counted the gold, and counted again, then exclaimed: 'i have my gold again, but a ducat is extra!' and then the thief was caught, and the stolen gold brought. spoke drakula to the merchant th [02:18]
asciilifeform us: 'go with peace. and had you not spoken to me of the ducat, you would sit on this same stake as the thief.' [02:18]
WillTablet ThickAsThieves: yes [02:19]
mircea_popescu cads you know monty python ? the "there goes the neighbourhood" sketch ? [02:19]
WillTablet I have my PC on, since I am remarkably bad-ass [02:19]
cads :D [02:19]
cads ah, I haven't seen it [02:19]
cads is it john cleese making the speech about the wobbles? [02:19]
mircea_popescu see, romanians are uncultivated. [02:19]
ThickAsThieves Where is the alt faucet? /// is this needed for proliferation you think? [02:19]
mircea_popescu no, it's a cartoon [02:19]
benkay asciilifeform: what is this from which you're quoting? [02:20]
ThickAsThieves Wonder what they mean by virtually priceless? /// so do we [02:20]
WillTablet Ah [02:20]
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asciilifeform benkay: [02:20]
WillTablet Are yoy trying to make a point here? That altcoin is just another random coin that will never be used? [02:21]
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benkay asciilifeform: context? [02:21]
asciilifeform benkay: scroll up. [02:21]
ThickAsThieves that's not the point [02:21]
WillTablet What is the point? [02:21]
ThickAsThieves that there doesnt need to be one for everything to change [02:21]
WillTablet One what? [02:22]
ThickAsThieves point [02:22]
WillTablet Uhhhh-uh [02:22]
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ThickAsThieves it's heavy shit [02:22]
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WillTablet ThickAsThieves: I don't follow this [02:22]
cads asciilifeform: hah, awesome stories [02:23]
Chris_Sabian_ TAT - so the only thing different about Altcoin is the name? [02:23]
WillTablet However, I'm guessing the altcoins were a lie [02:23]
kakobrekla WillTablet its the 15th standard. [02:23]
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ThickAsThieves youre trying too hard to fit it into a box, but it is a box [02:23]
benkay the coin is a lie [02:23]
kakobrekla the cake is a bill [02:24]
cads asciilifeform: are there more in the collection? [02:24]
mircea_popescu the little boy was a slice of cake! [02:24]
asciilifeform cads: tons. [02:24]
WillTablet ThickAsThieves: not helping that much [02:24]
cads :D [02:24]
Chris_Sabian_ there are people buying altcoin for 350 - 500 satoshi on 2 exchanges [02:25]
mircea_popescu Chris_Sabian_ your mistake here is to proceed on the wholly prepasterous cads worldview, whereas that which matter doesn't matter, and that which is left once you're done ignoring what matters can then be counted. [02:25]
ThickAsThieves all these coins are just coins, and what makes them different is how people use them, whether they use them, etc [02:25]
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mircea_popescu and who uses them, and for what. [02:25]
ThickAsThieves yep [02:25]
mircea_popescu because, yet again, people aren't interchangeable. [02:25]
mircea_popescu and there's no such thing as "views". [02:25]
* cads feels he is becoming part of the the -assets mythos :D [02:26]
WillTablet So any investment is just defined by how its used? Like if all pound coins but one in the world was destroyed, the one pound would become worth more than jhst a pound? [02:26]
mircea_popescu so you are, you'll be forever remembered as the goldstain of some views you didn't even hold. [02:26]
mircea_popescu (consciously) [02:26]
mircea_popescu in a sense, you're being raped. [02:26]
ThickAsThieves no Will [02:26]
mircea_popescu s/goldstain/goldstein [02:27]
WillTablet If confusing teenagers is this fun, I can kinda see why teachers do it [02:27]
ThickAsThieves coins arent exactly investments [02:27]
mircea_popescu yw. [02:27]
benkay goldstain was pretty good [02:27]
ThickAsThieves they are vessels [02:27]
WillTablet ThickAsThieves: so in order to make a good decision one has to look at what other people do and where that got them? [02:27]
ThickAsThieves hey! [02:28]
kakobrekla sounds like something desirable, goldstain. [02:28]
mircea_popescu WillTablet as the girl explains. didja read it ? [02:28]
ThickAsThieves good thougth [02:28]
ThickAsThieves thought* [02:28]
mircea_popescu spicasspielers can't speal. [02:28]
WillTablet mircea_popescu: where? [02:28]
ThickAsThieves i can spell just fine, it's my fingers that never graduated [02:28]
mircea_popescu ;;google mpoe-pr personal responsibility and the ponzi scam [02:29]
gribble Personal responsiblity and the Ponzi scam. - Bitcoin Forum: ; How Pyramid Schemes and Ponzi Schemes are Prosecuted in the ...: ; Domestic Taxation - LEHMAN TAX LAW: [02:29]
mircea_popescu 1. Learn the pecking order. All opinions are not equal. Some people are to be respected. Learn who. Some people are irrelevant and easily ignored. Learn who. More importantly than the who, learn why. Is it just because "everyone else seems to think so"? That's no good, forget it. Is it because they were right when everyone else was wrong? That's perfect, especially if it occurs with any sort of consistency. [02:29]
mircea_popescu 4. Step outside of your ideology. You might have been brought up in a very repressive social milieu in which some particular ideological slant was drilled into you. This is working to your disadvantage, get rid of it. Are you sticking up for your friends because they're your friends rather than because they have a point? Great for facebook, horrible for BTC. You will lose money. Are you following the crowd like a welfa [02:29]
mircea_popescu re state lemming? Great for the white collar slave, horrible for BTC. You will lose money. Do you think form is above content and as such it's okay to invade foreign countries and slaughter civilians just as long as nobody says shit, piss, fuck, cunt, cocksucker, motherfucker or tits on TV? Great for being an American, horrible for the free world. You will lose money. [02:29]
mircea_popescu etc [02:29]
benkay welfare state lemming. [02:29]
benkay yummy. [02:30]
mircea_popescu i hear people actually eat lemming [02:30]
mircea_popescu never had one myself. [02:30]
benkay shoes too, some of 'em. [02:30]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves probably cause while you were in school, they were cutting class into the schoolmates. [02:30]
* mircea_popescu wonder if "splitting class" would have worked better there. [02:31]
WillTablet Right [02:31]
WillTablet Maybe I get this [02:31]
WillTablet Idk [02:31]
mircea_popescu what's the rush anyway. [02:31]
benkay WillTablet: you're probably young enough for it to make sense the first time you read it. consider it a blessing! [02:31]
WillTablet Seriously, prolly having some form of ASD is taking its toll hear [02:31]
WillTablet *here [02:32]
WillTablet Can someone just explain what they mean [02:32]
mircea_popescu what's the asd/atc rate ? [02:32]
benkay maybe, but channel that into focus on important things and learn how to handle humans. it /is/ a learnable skill. [02:32]
* mircea_popescu just realised that to the majority of readers, most everyone in this chan is undistinguishable from vexual. [02:32]
WillTablet Oh and my altcoin client says no block source available [02:32]
Duffer1 pankakke have an addnode list? [02:33]
mircea_popescu wasn't it on the forum ? [02:33]
Chris_Sabian_ you need to add a node [02:33]
asciilifeform 'came once to drakula an envoy from the great hungarian king mathias; a noble baron, of polish birth. and drakula did sit and dine with him among the corpses. and the envoy saw before him on the ground, a thick and gilded stake, and then drakula asked of the envoy: 'tell me, for what have i prepared this stake?' fear took hold of the envoy, who thought a while, and spoke: 'seems to me, my lord, that someone amo [02:33]
asciilifeform ng the noble has dealt with you unjustly, and for him you have prepared a death more stately than for others.' drakula answered, 'you speak the truth. here you are - an envoy of a great lord, a kingly emissary, it is for you that i have crafted this stake.' answered the envoy, 'lord, if i have wrought an injustice worthy of death - do with me as you will. you are an impartial judge - it is not you who shall be [02:33]
asciilifeform to blame for my demise, but i alone.' drakula laughed, and spoke thus, 'had you not answered as you did, you would have sat down upon this stake.' and the lord ordered the envoy honoured, and gifted, and sent off in peace, with the words: 'you may walk as an envoy from great lords, to great lords, because you know how to speak to great lords; while others ought not even try, but let them first learn how to spea [02:33]
asciilifeform k to a great lord.' such was the custom of drakula: when an inexperienced envoy came to him, from a king or an emperor, and could not answer the wily questions of drakula, he would be sat upon a stake, drakula saying to him this: 'not i am to blame for your demise, but your lord is, or perhaps you are. for if your lord knew that you are unintelligent and inexperienced, and still sent you to me - a wise lord, yo [02:33]
asciilifeform ur own lord has slaine you. if you yourself had decided to come, with your own hand you have slain your own self.' and thus did the lord prepare for an emissary a tall gilded stake, and sat him down upon it, and to his lord he would send a message praying that in the future he not send to the wise and learned ruler a stupid and unlearned envoy.' [02:33]
mod6 Need to add a node to altcoin.conf: Nodes:,,, [02:34]
WillTablet Yuhuh [02:35]
WillTablet So does this advice have anything to do with the offer of atc [02:35]
mircea_popescu what offer of atc ?! [02:35]
WillTablet Does the offer somehow make a point or do the points somehow make the offer [02:35]
mircea_popescu who's offering atc! [02:35]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform going a little too far isn't it ? [02:36]
kakobrekla the round rocks beneath the ground have spoken through the fire [02:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 30 @ 0.12278 = 3.6834 BTC [-] {4} [02:37]
Bugpowder MPEx should have an ATC futures market, with delivery. [02:37]
Duffer1 I believe I recall TaT offering ATC [02:37]
mircea_popescu nobody really has enough atc yet [02:37]
WillTablet I don't gave an altcoin.conf [02:37]
Bugpowder Maybe ATC.DIFF? [02:37]
WillTablet *have [02:37]
Duffer1 it's just a .txt you create yourself and drop in the wallet folder [02:38]
Chris_Sabian_ you need to make one [02:38]
Bugpowder We need some way to get in the ATC game. Why can't MPEx provide it? [02:38]
kakobrekla its not a .txt its a .conf! [02:38]
Duffer1 er yea [02:38]
benkay Bugpowder: maybe an alt PMB [02:38]
Duffer1 use notepad, add your text, name the file altcoin.conf [02:38]
Apocalyptic heh [02:38]
Chris_Sabian_ you create a .txt file with the info in it and then remain it as .conf [02:38]
agamemnon23 agorecki AndrewJackson Apocalyptic arij Asa9 asciilifeform assbot AusBitBank__ Azelphur azi` [02:38]
agamemnon23 agorecki AndrewJackson Apocalyptic arij Asa9 asciilifeform assbot AusBitBank__ Azelphur azi` [02:38]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder what's wrong with just populating the spot on apocalyptic's thing [02:38]
kakobrekla why dont we just call pirate do do another round of trust [02:38]
Chris_Sabian_ path in windows: C:Users[username]AppDataRoamingAltcoin [02:39]
pankkake kakobrekla: niggers.conf [02:39]
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Vexual .dubstep [02:39]
Duffer1 lol [02:39]
kakobrekla ithink its more beautysalon.txt [02:39]
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pankkake the node I'm running is and it's in the source code, if you built from it [02:40]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 19 @ 0.19376446 = 3.6815 BTC [+] [02:40]
Apocalyptic Bugpowder, they're waiting for you @ [02:40]
kakobrekla if you had to put css on it, at least make it look rite [02:40]
Bugpowder Do you have charts? I need charts to do TA. [02:40]
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pankkake doesn't even have working api! [02:41]
WillTablet So I put this in the altcoin.conf? [02:41]
WillTablet Nodes:,,, [02:41]
Apocalyptic no charts, pankkake lies [02:41]
kakobrekla kako doesnt! [02:42]
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kakobrekla WillTablet the third book is the book of assets log [02:43]
mod6 WillTablet no [02:43]
mod6 needs to be: [02:43]
mod6 addnode= [02:43]
WillTablet Okay [02:44]
kakobrekla just do it in console [02:44]
kakobrekla simpler. [02:44]
mod6 and as much as i lothe btctawk, read through this:;all [02:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00087211 = 16.0468 BTC [+] [02:45]
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WillTablet Got it [02:47]
WillTablet Might take a while to sync [02:47]
mod6 werd [02:47]
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Bugpowder I need to setup my miner [02:48]
Duffer1 how many mb is the altcoin blockchain up to? [02:48]
WillTablet I have a feeling this might take a while [02:48]
mircea_popescu Duffer1 100mb overhead and like 750 bytes of txn [02:48]
Duffer1 did you guys ever get the source? [02:49]
mircea_popescu the most inefficient way to process information ever invented. [02:49]
cads hey guys, lemme offer my apologies for stirring up the channel last evening [02:49]
cads I was a trollish ass [02:49]
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WillTablet So what exactly is special about ATC? What does priceless even mean? [02:50]
Bugpowder I am willing to buy 10BTC worth of ATC, OTC... pm me. [02:50]
mircea_popescu cads that's the point of life dood. [02:50]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder at what price ? [02:50]
nubbins` to drink good wine before one's time? [02:50]
Vexual troll your pancreas [02:51]
WillTablet So this is still 2 weeks behind, no progress [02:51]
WillTablet Should I have added more nodes? [02:51]
Bugpowder 250 satoshi / ATC [02:51]
mod6 Bug: I didn't have much luck with an order on the book for a week. Try x-bt, market seems to be between 400-500 satoshi [02:51]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder i doubt that many atcs exist yet even [02:52]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 10*10**8 / 250 [02:52]
gribble 4000000 [02:52]
Vexual nope [02:52]
kakobrekla Coins in circulation: 8,735,232 of ~268 Million (3.25%) [02:52]
WillTablet I feel so fucking stupid [02:52]
Bugpowder People said dogecoin was a joke, but ended up being very profitable for me. Altcoin's great benefit is optionality (look it up, I mean the technical finance term). [02:53]
WillTablet Ermahgerd [02:53]
mod6 I got scammed out of 44k ATC @ openex so beware. [02:53]
mircea_popescu wow how ? [02:53]
Vexual how scammed? [02:53]
Chris_Sabian_ mod6: there is an admin online on openex so you can be able to chat [02:53]
mod6 they banned my account for no apparent reason, and haven't processed my last withdrawl. [02:53]
WillTablet Though doing cpu mining with altcoins and then buying BTC seems more profitable [02:54]
Bugpowder gox strat [02:54]
mircea_popescu outrageous. [02:54]
mod6 So, it's kinda a wait and see situation. Ihave an email into their admins. Will give update when they make good. [02:54]
Bugpowder WillTablet: Depends on where you are on the adoption curve [02:54]
WillTablet Well, I am just burning up free azure credit [02:55]
Chris_Sabian_ if anyone wants to make an altcoin p2p pool with bfgminer, that would be great [02:55]
Vexual mod6, they pay a lot of admins, i wonder what they do all day? [02:55]
mircea_popescu doesn't the current one support bfg ? [02:55]
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Chris_Sabian_ cgminer [02:55]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.06720001 = 0.2688 BTC [+] [02:55]
mod6 Looks like x-bt did process my withdrawl today.. so far so good. Thx to Apoc. [02:55]
benkay also WillTablet you're going to want to ditch that Microsoft habit. gonna get you in trouble. [02:55]
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WillTablet benkay: how so? [02:55]
Bugpowder ATC needs a killer app though. Has anyone talked to dooglus about ATCdice/ [02:55]
Bugpowder ? [02:56]
mod6 Vexual: they just ban accounts apparently. [02:56]
pankkake Chris_Sabian_: is a p2pool [02:56]
Chris_Sabian_ mod6: was that your 20k alt sold? [02:56]
mod6 for no gd reason [02:56]
mod6 Chris:that was a buy [02:56]
benkay no time to explain. ask the channel. [02:56]
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Chris_Sabian_ how can I pm on here? [02:56]
WillTablet So why must I quit this Microsoft habit? [02:56]
mircea_popescu /query name [02:56]
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jborkl Bitcore library made all that much easier [02:57]
WillTablet So is altcoin a joke or a deliberately bad example? [02:58]
mircea_popescu it's a deliberately bad joke. [02:58]
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Chris_Sabian_ but it is a bad joke that is selling for 350 satoshi each [02:58]
mircea_popescu amusingly, i bought a bunch for a third of that two weeks ago [02:59]
Bugpowder [02:59]
mircea_popescu i guess this makes me like one of the early atc success stories / nouveau riches. [02:59]
Vexual bc is oldmoney now huh? [02:59]
mod6 ^^^ [02:59]
WillTablet mircea_popescu: so should I just play along? [03:00]
WillTablet And be like oh yeah I knew it [03:00]
WillTablet Actually, I don't think I have time in life for BTC [03:01]
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WillTablet I mean, I haven't even figured out my intense social problems, nor stopped procrastinating [03:01]
nubbins` lel [03:01]
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Chris_Sabian_ right now altcoin has a market cap of ~30 btc [03:03]
WillTablet Well, procrastination I'll figure out tomorrow [03:03]
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BingoBoingo WillTablet: First work on kicking the MS habit. [03:04]
WillTablet Okay, what's the problem with it? [03:04]
WillTablet It isn't losing me momey [03:04]
WillTablet *money [03:04]
benkay not yet [03:04]
mircea_popescu WillTablet not really. just give yourself time to understand stuff. [03:04]
WillTablet But it stops when the credit runs out [03:04]
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BingoBoingo WillTablet: If you have intense social problems there are few better things to do anyways than pick up a *nix habit. [03:05]
kakobrekla not sure if bashable [03:06]
WillTablet *nix [03:06]
WillTablet ? [03:06]
cads :D [03:06]
cads +1 [03:06]
BingoBoingo WillTablet: Linux, Unix, BSD, Solaris, Plan 9 [03:06]
WillTablet Oh the server is ubuntu [03:07]
WillTablet My PC dual boots lm [03:07]
mircea_popescu you know it occurs to me oses are really like altchains [03:07]
WillTablet Which I use 50/50 with windows [03:07]
mircea_popescu and it's incredible there's no titsos yet [03:07]
cads oh hey, that reminds me [03:08]
cads has anyone applied portfolio theory to the bitcoin/altcoins system? [03:08]
Bugpowder Sure.... see [03:09]
BingoBoingo [03:09]
ozbot #bitcoin-assets bash [03:09]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder what's he written on the topic ? [03:10]
pankkake no titsos, but [03:13]
mircea_popescu meh, loli os [03:13]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 60 @ 0.0055 = 0.33 BTC [03:13]
pankkake which was followed by the more serious [03:13]
benkay Q : How/why did you make such a great OS? [03:14]
benkay A : I thought - what would attract young users to Linux? So I created this idea after a lot of reading and work. [03:14]
benkay such work [03:14]
benkay much readong [03:14]
mircea_popescu who the fuck is rebecca black [03:14]
benkay ahahahaha [03:14]
cazalla gotta get down on friday [03:15]
benkay today in -assets, mircea_popescu catches up to 2012 [03:15]
pankkake poor girl ending up as a meme [03:15]
Chris_Sabian_ ...just dont go there [03:15]
Duffer1 ^ [03:15]
cads "Manfred drops in at his hotel suite, unpacks his Aineko, plugs in a fresh set of cells to charge, and sticks most of his private [03:15]
cads keys in the safe. Then he heads straight for the party, which is currently happening at De Wildemann's; it's a twenty-minute [03:15]
cads walk, and the only real hazard is dodging the trams that sneak up on him behind the cover of his moving map display. [03:15]
cads Along the way, his glasses bring him up to date on the news. Europe has achieved peaceful political union for the first time [03:15]
cads ever: They're using this unprecedented state of affairs to harmonize the curvature of bananas. The Middle East is, well, it's [03:15]
cads just as bad as ever, but the war on fundamentalism doesn't hold much interest for Manfred. In San Diego, researchers are [03:15]
cads uploading lobsters into cyberspace, starting with the stomatogastric ganglion, one neuron at a time. They're burning GM [03:15]
cads cocoa in Belize and books in Georgia. NASA still can't put a man on the moon. Russia has re–elected the communist [03:15]
cads government with an increased majority in the Duma; meanwhile, in China, fevered rumors circulate about an imminent [03:15]
cads rehabilitation, the second coming of Mao, who will save them from the consequences of the Three Gorges disaster. In [03:15]
cads business news, the US Justice Department is – ironically – outraged at the Baby Bills. The divested Microsoft divisions have [03:15]
cads automated their legal processes and are spawning subsidiaries, IPOing them, and exchanging title in a bizarre parody of [03:15]
cads bacterial plasmid exchange, so fast that, by the time the windfall tax demands are served, the targets don't exist anymore, [03:15]
cads even though the same staff are working on the same software in the same Mumbai cubicle farms. [03:15]
cads Welcome to the twenty-first century." [03:15]
mircea_popescu omfg we'll have to put in the fucking topic of the fucking channel because all the fucking noobs can't find it on their own. [03:15]
cads - snip from Accelerando [03:15]
cazalla hello again cads, how are you today [03:15]
cazalla can't use pastebin or say hello? you are rude aren't you [03:16]
cads yeah, sorry guys, I was expecting it to be two or three lines [03:17]
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Bugpowder mircea_popescu: Nothing that I have seen. Just likes to blather on about theory of alt coins and bitcoins and VC shit. The whole Andressen Horowitz Twitter axis does it (Chris Dixon, Balaji Srinasivan, and Marc) Not a bad follow though [03:17]
B0g4r7__ benkay bettyclamp bgupta BigBitz BingoBoingo blg bo0lcrap bones` bounce btcinmypocket Bugpowder Bunnyh bwq [03:17]
Bugpowder Twitter exclusively from what I've seen. [03:17]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder no argument, i just thought he actually published something useful / put some work into actually applying it or w/e. [03:18]
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Bugpowder Oh hey this is kinda interesting.... Almost all NEW bitcoins are spent. [03:20]
assbot 123! [03:20]
BingoBoingo Bugpowder: Because pools have to pay their hashers. [03:21]
Bugpowder Although, do they count pool payouts as "being spent" [03:21]
Chris_Sabian_ spent just means sent to a different address [03:21]
Bugpowder Yup [03:21]
Chris_Sabian_ some new users could use a tumbler [03:21]
cads Bugpowder: I figured it be strange for miners to predominantly sell at the market price [03:22]
mircea_popescu someone mining on their own will still use a pool. [03:22]
cads exactly [03:22]
mircea_popescu set to private. [03:22]
mircea_popescu the block rewards will be sent to some sort of storage, even if it's just a cold wallet. [03:22]
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mircea_popescu consequently, derpy article about no subject. [03:22]
cads so the news is just telling us the majority of new bitcoins are mined by the pools [03:22]
pankkake actually, some pools pay with the block reward [03:23]
mircea_popescu cads except it doesn't even do that. all it says is what i said above, [03:23]
mircea_popescu "past a certain hash even solo mining uses a private pool" [03:23]
pankkake so you can know, for those pools [03:23]
pankkake but for the others, you can't [03:23]
Chris_Sabian_ how about this one: [03:23]
Bugpowder Why is intelligent coverage so hard to come by? Are they actually stupid or are they just building a narrative that is catchy but they know actually false? [03:24]
pankkake answer is in the question [03:24]
Bugpowder Jonah Lehrer and Gladwell should collab on a bitcoin book. [03:24]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder because "views". [03:25]
mircea_popescu if you optimise for the largest possible counter of "views" it is antieconomical to actually publish intelligent coverage. [03:25]
Bugpowder This is the problem with scientific publishing too [03:25]
mircea_popescu indeed. [03:26]
mircea_popescu publishers should be rewarded by indingnance. [03:26]
mircea_popescu the more pissed off more people are, the more dough they get. [03:26]
Bugpowder For example, the recent dip cells in acid and they become super stem cells paper in Nature... Bullshit [03:26]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder aww and i was eating all these oranges trying t oturn my stomach into an octopus! [03:26]
Bugpowder Post pup peer review ongoing... nobody can replicate it, now irregularities being discovered in the gel blots... [03:27]
Bugpowder [03:28]
Bugpowder But the narrative is so sexy... Nature publishes [03:28]
mircea_popescu i imagine it'll be a good day when most of the people commenting on Nature are going "hey guise Nature is nasty I am ignoring it hahaha!" [03:28]
Bugpowder See also "Arsenic DNA" [03:28]
Vexual hey if it gives a viable story for where the stem cells came from in future findings, it can only be good for science [03:28]
Bugpowder mircea_popescu: That's the way it is on Twitter [03:28]
cads hmm, I might have an example of convenient narrative. I read an article of a blogger hyping maxcoin. She claims something about the mtgox situation that I can't quite understand, but seems to level the accusation that mtgox was engaging in fractional banking. [03:29]
mircea_popescu twitter is really very fragmented. [03:29]
mircea_popescu lots of idiot tribes. [03:29]
Bugpowder Vexual: Not if its total bullshit. It is negative for science, as that Nature slot is not used for something real. [03:29]
cads I don't know enough or care enough about mt gox to know what is going on there, but there was no mention of the bug or the millions lost [03:29]
cads and it seemed contrived, meant to attract money market types to maxcoin [03:30]
mircea_popescu i wouldn't go as far as to say it's bad for science, but it definitely is inconvenient for anyone not an idiot with a nature subscription. [03:30]
Bugpowder Nature guarantees that your work will be read and discussed by many scientists. We have limited bandwidth, must use it optimally. (like hanging in bitcoin-assets) [03:30]
mircea_popescu cads was it also a rewrite of the trilema gox article ? [03:30]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder obtaining cvorum on a definition of optimality however... [03:30]
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mircea_popescu i mean this channel was fundamentally born out of some clueless noobs' inability to grok that intelligent discussion is more important than avoiding displays of cunt. [03:33]
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mircea_popescu that and a practical smattering of impudent cockletry with delusions of hitlerism, but anwyay. [03:33]
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cads my though was that if money and fund types hear there was a bug that let criminals make off with millions they'd be unlikely to even consider what maxcoin has got going on that makes it 'even better' than bitcoin [03:35]
cads but if they hear that what's going on is that a trading house is doing a fractional banking scam, that's something that appeals much more to their refined palates [03:35]
mircea_popescu nobody asked the fund types. [03:35]
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BingoBoingo Fucking Guinea wops [03:36]
mircea_popescu bitcoin will prevail in spite of the current hierarchy. [03:36]
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mircea_popescu whether elements contribute or don't contribute has no systemic impact [03:36]
mircea_popescu as the sine qua non for contribution is abjuration. [03:36]
BitcoinPropagand We make free bitcoin advertising-posters-wallpapers for non-crypto users, take a look: If you like what you see pls donate! [03:37]
mircea_popescu BitcoinPropagand hey, you the guy with the posters ? [03:37]
BitcoinPropagand yes [03:37]
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mircea_popescu do you actually print and glue those things or just design them ? [03:37]
BitcoinPropagand just design and give them for free why? [03:38]
mircea_popescu because i'd be interested in supporting a program of propaganda against us banking interests signed MPEx/BTC [03:38]
benkay ship some to me [03:38]
benkay i'll go bike around town wheatpasting 'em [03:39]
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BitcoinPropagand interesting [03:39]
benkay i need something btc to do that's not this damn parser [03:39]
mircea_popescu but the facebook angle of "here's some pdfs of stuff we made in illustrator" has little adherence. [03:39]
mircea_popescu they'd have to be posted, and the postings photographed and so on. [03:39]
mircea_popescu lot of work on the ground. [03:39]
Duffer1 billboards even [03:40]
BitcoinPropagand where can i see some of that? [03:40]
mircea_popescu they want to run illiterate articles in their bullshit rags nobody reads anyway, fine, let's put some paper on their limos. [03:40]
mircea_popescu Duffer1 no, specifically not billboards. [03:40]
mircea_popescu BitcoinPropagand for instance [03:41]
mircea_popescu or if you prefer women. [03:41]
mircea_popescu i did the exact thing with Trilema posters in Romania five years ago, country was fucking full of stickers and whatnot. [03:41]
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BitcoinPropagand the t shirt of the woman is too short [03:43]
mircea_popescu that's a new one. [03:43]
benkay au contraire, not nearly short enough [03:43]
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cads okay here's the article -- the first paragraph in the section "trouble at mt gox" gives a summary of the mt gox problems - glitches in gox + a bug in bitcoin + trade halt at gox + double counting. [03:44]
asciilifeform can't resist asking, why no billboards. [03:44]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: In the US CBS owns them all and fuck CBS. [03:45]
cads The it does this: "In effect, Mt Gox had left themselves wide open to any accusation that they were no different to any other system operating on a fractional reserve basis." [03:45]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform roughly for the same reason you don't come to the global warming protest in your car. [03:45]
asciilifeform haha [03:46]
cads It reduces the (essentially context free) summary to that single rhetorically charged statement. [03:46]
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cads first of all I just have to ask, 'wtf'? [03:46]
mircea_popescu cads why does some clueless piece in an irrelevant venue merit this much of your time ? [03:46]
benkay i'm pleased that 'fractional reserve' is now an insult. [03:47]
mircea_popescu now this is a good point. [03:47]
benkay 3! [03:47]
cads I was wondering about Bugpowder's earlier statement. Is this writer an idiot or a smooth PR savage? [03:48]
mircea_popescu useful idiot [03:48]
mircea_popescu covers everything. [03:48]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.07182995 = 3.5915 BTC [+] {5} [03:49]
mircea_popescu i'm kind-of surprised there isn't a localbitcoins but for activists. [03:49]
mircea_popescu a central exchange where people can trade their deeds. [03:49]
mircea_popescu decentralised, of course. [03:50]
benkay people who can build web applications while derpy as fuck are significantly less derpy than people who burn their hours trying to fix the world. [03:50]
benkay in that the former chase profit and the later abhor it. [03:50]
mircea_popescu well seems like a bug more than a feature, this. [03:50]
cads mircea_popescu: did you ever hear of the 'Freicoin' demurage currency formulated by some of the occupy wallstreet people? [03:51]
benkay except that fixing the world is impossible except randomly from time to time as in the satoshi case. [03:51]
mircea_popescu cads yes, at the time. [03:51]
mircea_popescu and yes, i thought it's a good match, it's about as misguided as the people that came up with it. [03:51]
asciilifeform freicon! arbeit macht frei. [03:51]
asciilifeform i still don't get how that was supposed to work. 'eat shit! it tastes just as good as food! trust us' [03:52]
BingoBoingo freicoin removes Bitcoin's biggest market driver - "store of value" [03:52]
mircea_popescu benkay "being rich" is also impossible, how about that. [03:52]
cads The Freicoin website says, "Freicoin's parameters are carefully chosen to eliminate the basic interest component of investments, called the liquidity premium by economists. Usurious non-zero basic interest distorts the free market, incentivises poisonous greed, excess, and short-term thinking, and perpetuates a vicious cycle of boom/bust recessions." [03:52]
BitcoinPropagand Whos ur target, what's ur budget? [03:52]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform because if you really really will something, that'll matter. in that your imagination has some bearing on reality. [03:52]
benkay you and i are both using "impossible" in the sense of "impossible for you or most other people" [03:53]
benkay mircea_popescu ^^ [03:53]
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mircea_popescu benkay no, it's just self-defeating. the previous fixage becomes the baseline for the new brokedness [03:53]
mircea_popescu the richness of yesterday is merely poverty now. [03:53]
benkay except in bitcoin, mircea_popescu [03:53]
cads mircea_popescu: the market cap of freicoin is an initial jump followed by an absolutely perfect exponential decay: [03:53]
benkay the richness of today is the more richness of tomorrow [03:53]
mircea_popescu maybe. [03:54]
cads mircea_popescu: freicoin ain't going to inspire no greed, no sir! [03:54]
mircea_popescu cads you grossly misrepresent "greed". [03:54]
cads arguably their mission is complete :) [03:54]
cads mircea_popescu: I'm mostly laughing at freicoin. [03:54]
mircea_popescu BitcoinPropagand my budget is for the purpose of this discussion unlimited, but it is also unfortunately useless. [03:55]
mircea_popescu i could have just bought out the damned billboards if that was the angle i wanted. [03:55]
asciilifeform [03:55]
mircea_popescu cads o i missed a sarcasm there. [03:55]
cads I heard about it from, get this, a grungy muddy finance grad student living with two other grungy dudes in a 300 tent colony that had sprung up in one of the main parks in the center of atlanta [03:56]
cads living cramped in a tent* [03:56]
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mircea_popescu were they confused as to the whereabouts of wall street ? [03:56]
asciilifeform i still don't grok this. did anyone actually wish to use freicoin? or merely for others to use it. [03:56]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform that question cuts to the heart of the matter. [03:56]
cads mircea_popescu: no no, to the left and the right and the north and the south towered the enormous buildings of the billionaires [03:57]
mircea_popescu does the "feminist" not wish to wear slutty clothes herself, [03:57]
cads laughing at them [03:57]
mircea_popescu or for other girls stop doing it ? [03:57]
cads boxing them in :D [03:57]
mircea_popescu lol [03:57]
cads it was funny because there were business men filing nervously past the tents every day [03:57]
mircea_popescu you know, i'd have gone to work early and hung out with the bums half an hour. [03:58]
cads on the camp ground there was hustle and bustle and optimism and the undeniably knowledge that they were DOING SOMETHING. [03:58]
mircea_popescu why pay for entertainment. [03:58]
asciilifeform 'less world, more bank!' [03:58]
cads they had, get thiss [03:58]
cads runners [03:58]
cads runners that would run between camps in the city [03:58]
cads and spread news :D [03:58]
mircea_popescu i'd have been all like "but yo, if there's no more banks, were'd you check your privilege ?" [03:58]
mircea_popescu so good for them. running is quite healthy for young men. [03:59]
benkay you keep it in your encrypted privelege wallet [03:59]
cads the dialog of privilege had not been opened in the public yet [03:59]
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cads the key meme was the rhetoric of the "one percent" [03:59]
mircea_popescu i'd have had my printer print special PRIVILEGE CHECKs [03:59]
mircea_popescu and distributed them. [03:59]
cads haha [03:59]
cads maybe that's all white people have to do [03:59]
benkay privileged to rape one feminist? [03:59]
mircea_popescu and the kids' be all "but we don't have an account" [03:59]
cads well come on to the MP bank! [04:00]
cads and sign up! [04:00]
mircea_popescu and i'd have been all like a well. [04:00]
mircea_popescu nah. [04:00]
benkay "it's just a fantasy, office! this is totally consensual!" [04:00]
cads "free checking and savings for students" [04:00]
mircea_popescu mp bank prolly charges 100k to open an acct anyway. [04:00]
KRS-One heh [04:00]
benkay it's really a membership fee to the cigar and wine vaults [04:00]
BingoBoingo The original 1%'ers [04:00]
benkay banking's just a side-bennie [04:01]
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mircea_popescu i wonder what'll happen once teh bitcoin forum crowd finds out there actually are plenty of irl banks that work exactly this way. [04:01]
asciilifeform i actually entertained myself at the wash. d.c. 'occupy' regularly, until it finally croaked. got GBs of video of these folks clowning around in a thousand riotously inane ways. [04:01]
nubbins` mircea_popescu:because i'd be interested in supporting a program of propaganda against us banking interests signed MPEx/BTC [04:01]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform did you pick up ? [04:01]
nubbins` ^ you know, that's not an entirely difficult task to pull off. [04:01]
mircea_popescu nubbins` provided enough people think with their heads, yes. [04:02]
asciilifeform it wasn't like they quizzed you for redditard orthodoxy at the door (what door) [04:02]
asciilifeform lots of idlers, in nice suits or otherwise, came to gawk. [04:02]
mircea_popescu ha! [04:03]
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mircea_popescu so i wouldn't have been the only one huh, [04:03]
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nubbins` mircea_popescu: any decent-sized city likely has a number of print shops that would happily churn out and slap up posters [04:03]
mircea_popescu srsly, if the ny mayor had any sense he'd have passed an ordinance saying that kids are allowed to camp indefinitely oly for as long as they're naked, also get three meals a day courtesy of the city. [04:04]
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nubbins` you could even get some of the big names to do some designs, get a bit of momentum behind it [04:04]
mircea_popescu then pass clothes dump trucks to collect the textile contraband, and beat the shit out of any dressed kids left. [04:04]
asciilifeform here, eventually the city confiscated their latrines. [04:04]
BingoBoingo nubbins`: You don't want to hit the big cities. Go for the select suburbs and exurbs where they actually live. [04:04]
asciilifeform some found their way into restaurant shitters, others did what they will where they stood [04:05]
asciilifeform eventually health inspectors condemned the tents. [04:05]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.19376446 = 1.3564 BTC [+] [04:05]
BitcoinPropagand I need to know more about that program of propaganda [04:05]
mircea_popescu [04:05]
nubbins` BitcoinPropagand: what's to know? make posters and hire kids to put 'em up. this is how shows are advertised all across north america [04:06]
benkay mircea_popescu: that's what made me think about cold-calling DC intl law firms. [04:06]
ThickAsThieves dammit i'm missing good conversations [04:07]
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ozbot US law firm ensnared in spying by NSA ally | TheHill [04:07]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform new york missed a huge opportunity to start the largest fuckfest/rave in the history of the us. [04:07]
mircea_popescu could have eaten rio's festival tourist trade right off. [04:07]
benkay what do you call 8 bankers jumping out of a plane? [04:07]
asciilifeform they sorta did [04:07]
benkay scuse me 8 programmers [04:07]
asciilifeform but with genuine bums in the mix, it was 'acquired taste' rather than 'general interest' kind of affair. [04:08]
ThickAsThieves Do you have charts? I need charts to do TA. /// [04:08]
benkay NO WAIT FORUMFOLK [04:08]
benkay "air pollution" [04:08]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you mean all the waspish wallflowers weren't about to take smelly bum cock ? [04:08]
asciilifeform sumthinglikethat [04:08]
mircea_popescu bs. [04:08]
mircea_popescu they'd have been all over that. [04:08]
ThickAsThieves Though doing cpu mining with altcoins and then buying BTC seems more profitable /// yeah but nubbins might call you a scammer [04:09]
asciilifeform evidently not enough. [04:09]
mircea_popescu only because of the ny mayor missing some very reasonable measures. [04:09]
ThickAsThieves ATC needs a killer app though. Has anyone talked to dooglus about ATCdice /// has he made alt versions before? [04:09]
mircea_popescu if they did what i propose you'd have a baby boom on your hands atm [04:09]
asciilifeform at any rate, the politically-aspirational academtards who were the 'krysha' of occupy eventually pulled the plug [04:09]
asciilifeform after der fuhrer's re-election was clinched [04:09]
benkay last thing we need is more 99%ers [04:09]
mircea_popescu myeah. [04:09]
ThickAsThieves I mean, I haven't even figured out my intense social problems, nor stopped procrastinating // dont confuse procrastinating with not wanting to do stupid shit [04:10]
mircea_popescu benkay more children is a time-tested solution to any social problem. [04:10]
Bugpowder ThickAsThieves: doge-dice has huge volume [04:10]
Bugpowder I had to add it to my hosts file [04:10]
Bugpowder along with just-dice [04:10]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform for lelz. [04:10]
KRS-One i took just-dice money and they arent getting it back [04:10]
asciilifeform as if it needs much of an explanation beyond simple translation in the anglo world. [04:11]
BingoBoingo KRS-One: Move it into BitBet [04:11]
asciilifeform (or elsewhere for that matter) [04:11]
KRS-One i will [04:11]
ThickAsThieves lots of idiot tribes. // you owe Seth Godin royalties now [04:11]
BingoBoingo KRS-One: What bets are you looking at atm? [04:11]
Bugpowder benkay: If you want, my good friend is a DC associate at said international law firm. [04:11]
KRS-One havent looked for the last week or two [04:11]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves right, the dood contributed. [04:12]
Bugpowder don't exactly understand why you want to contact them [04:12]
cazalla check your bitcoin privilege [04:12]
benkay sell 'em cardanos, Bugpowder [04:12]
benkay plus "how to keep comms secure" lessons [04:12]
Bugpowder I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS [04:12]
kakobrekla O_o [04:13]
benkay oh you no cardano? [04:13]
benkay homie you behind the times like whoa [04:13]
benkay ;;google cardano [04:13]
gribble Gerolamo Cardano - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Cardano: ; Cardan biography: [04:13]
benkay ;;google trilema cardano [04:13]
gribble S.NSA - Cardano pricing, other statements pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: ; Unsorted collection of various Cardano related updates + ... - Trilema: ; S.NSA, January 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: (1 more message) [04:13]
benkay (first (second %)) [04:13]
BingoBoingo KRS-One: Take 'NO' on this one [04:13]
mircea_popescu from the random herp with mental issues and lulzy url department : [04:14]
KRS-One hmm [04:14]
KRS-One why is everyone yes? [04:14]
KRS-One mostly ys [04:14]
BingoBoingo KRS-One: You know it will be an interesting sweat. [04:14]
kakobrekla i mean this channel was fundamentally born out of some clueless noobs' inability to grok that intelligent discussion is more important than avoiding displays of cunt. < not really, was just to impress girls. [04:14]
mircea_popescu that too [04:15]
Bugpowder sounds good [04:16]
Vexual [04:16]
Bugpowder BingoBoingo: weighting sux [04:16]
mircea_popescu look at that, benkay may have actually got himself rich. [04:16]
ozbot Sam Simmons Problems 'Daddy wants a biscuit' - YouTube [04:16]
Bugpowder cardano... looks legit! [04:17]
BingoBoingo Bugpowder: Not really given where Gox is going. [04:17]
Bugpowder BingoBoingo: I think there is an 80% chance that resolves as yes. [04:17]
BingoBoingo Oh, ye of excessive faith. [04:17]
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BingoBoingo KRS-One: A decent second choice would be to start a BitBet. [04:19]
BingoBoingo South Syndney Rabbitohs to win the NRL regular season. [04:20]
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cazalla up the tigers [04:21]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.115 = 0.345 BTC [-] [04:21]
ThickAsThieves i took no on that bet [04:22]
Bugpowder BingoBoingo: If you feel so strongly, why not buy the O.USD.P500T @ 1.500 BTC [04:22]
ThickAsThieves just in case [04:22]
BingoBoingo Bugpowder: I'm tied up in other things atm. [04:23]
ThickAsThieves well, for fun [04:23]
KRS-One That gox bet stinks, if they arent insolvent I'm sure they will be above $150 [04:23]
BingoBoingo Well it depends on how long they can play pretend. [04:23]
ThickAsThieves well thats the bet at this point [04:23]
KRS-One They can get bought out too before anything drastic happens, I'm sure. [04:24]
BingoBoingo KRS-One: How much BTC are you looking to Bitbet, enough to play both sides? [04:24]
KRS-One There is a bit of goodwill with the mtgox brand..its been around a while. [04:24]
KRS-One Heh interesting [04:24]
KRS-One u can play both huh [04:25]
Duffer1 brand presence sure but i wouldn't really call it goodwill :P [04:25]
BingoBoingo KRS-One: Playing both sides is often the best way to BitBet [04:25]
KRS-One goodwill is also negative [04:25]
KRS-One just the fact the brand is well known is what counts and even adds to balance sheets [04:25]
Duffer1 ya [04:25]
mircea_popescu KRS-One you're wrong on that score. [04:26]
mircea_popescu mtgox is widely known for being shit. [04:26]
mircea_popescu this makes it a net negative, like bfl. [04:26]
mircea_popescu anyone seriously thinking of running their business would immediately rebrand. [04:26]
mircea_popescu not that anyone seriously is thinking of running their business. [04:26]
ThickAsThieves rebrand by pissing on it [04:27]
KRS-One goodwill whether negative or positive is accounted for on balance sheets [04:27]
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Duffer1 ohh i see like trilema asset reports [04:28]
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nubbins` at this point trading magic cards would add legitimacy to their operation [04:28]
Vexual ^^ [04:29]
Duffer1 i took that to mean something else... [04:29]
BingoBoingo I still have no answer to my wondering if maybe Mark Gox has a touch of Downs. [04:29]
KRS-One so even though mtgox has a negative reputation, most publications reference that a bad thing to a new company trying to acquire the brand? [04:29]
KRS-One publications are always quoting prices from mtgox [04:30]
KRS-One and they've had a bad rep for years [04:30]
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BingoBoingo KRS-One: Unless you are fiat capitalized out of the wazoo. [04:30]
mircea_popescu KRS-One it is, yes. [04:30]
mircea_popescu bitcoin is not a mass venture. this isn;'t trying to bring about the next britney spears. [04:31]
KRS-One Im not making an argument for that really but i dig. [04:31]
mircea_popescu that aside "publications" are about as relevant as mice. [04:31]
mircea_popescu mice have been trying to eat cheese for millenia. does this mean cheese is a bank ? [04:31]
KRS-One Started out as bitbet wheher gox will go out of business. [04:31]
mircea_popescu should i plug my keyboard into a large block of cheese ? [04:32]
* BingoBoingo got a bottle of Vodka for myself because birthday if anyone was wondering. [04:33]
KRS-One Happy Birthday dude..not sure what the whole thing is on birthdays anyway..I passed the last 3 without any fanfare. [04:33]
kakobrekla happy bingo birthday [04:33]
BingoBoingo Thank you. I already had the delicous birthday dinner. Roast beef tongue. [04:35]
ThickAsThieves kinky [04:35]
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mike_c gratz bingo. make a bet today. b-day bets are always lucky. [04:47]
BingoBoingo mike_c: I made the unluckiest bet of all. I bought a lottery ticker with my vodka from the Arab store. [04:48]
mike_c hah. might as well swing big [04:48]
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BingoBoingo Well it was for the little lotto so I have a 1 in 500,000 chance of winning. [04:50]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17819 @ 0.00087615 = 15.6121 BTC [+] {2} [04:53]
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BingoBoingo If I win though, I'll probably add 50 BTC to my holdings. [04:53]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: if one must play lotto, why the fiat variety, and not xxx-dice? [04:55]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Lotto has a longer lead time until chance renders its verdict. I like to savor the tension. [04:55]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.115 = 1.38 BTC [-] [04:57]
pankkake yeah it feels weird for lotto chances of winning [04:57]
BitcoinPropagand nubbins` 1st you need to have the right message otherwise you will pass unnoticed [04:57]
nubbins` no need to tell me that! [04:58]
BingoBoingo pankkake: Well another upside to the lotto is most of my losing ticket I can know goes to miseducating the children. [04:58]
BitcoinPropagand what's the concept then? [04:58]
nubbins` no concept [04:58]
pankkake I've only bet 3×0.01BTC at 0.0099% chance [04:58]
nubbins` just talking hypotheticals [04:58]
BitcoinPropagand i see. [04:58]
pankkake BingoBoingo: your sentence does not compute [04:59]
pankkake at least in my head [04:59]
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nubbins` another upside to X is that Y goes to Z [05:00]
BingoBoingo pankkake: Maybe you are Sparc, while I am still 68k [05:00]
nubbins` Y being bingo's wasted money [05:00]
nubbins` Z goes to reading wallabee entrails [05:01]
nubbins` wallaby [05:01]
nubbins` w/e [05:01]
BingoBoingo nubbins`: I'm not an Aussie. Wallabee would be too expensive to fly out just for that. [05:02]
nubbins` why do i think you are? [05:03]
nubbins` i think it's your nick [05:03]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.07001 = 0.9801 BTC [-] {2} [05:03]
Vexual of the extra hydroxyls [05:03]
BingoBoingo nubbins`: Prolly cause I'm awake when the Aussies are. [05:04]
pankkake this chan has weird sleep patterns [05:06]
pankkake I guess it's why I got sucked into it! [05:06]
nubbins` it's 11:36pm [05:06]
pankkake it's 4:06 am [05:06]
nubbins` [05:08]
nubbins` it's a new type of win [05:08]
ozbot [BOUNTY] Need a logo and slogan for new hybrid exchange [05:08]
KRS-One I still think even though there are companies with bad reputations that buying the brand is still worthwhile and even adds to the balance sheet. [05:08]
BingoBoingo It's 8 minutes after the hour [05:08]
BingoBoingo Sometime you suckers will abandon days and learn to embrace living by the hour [05:08]
KRS-One I'd have to disagree with mircea_popescu. I mean look at K-Mart it was bought by sears and nobody liked K-Mart. [05:09]
nubbins` heh. [05:09]
KRS-One A lot of money was involved with that. [05:09]
KRS-One I learned a little something in college. [05:09]
KRS-One between parties [05:09]
KRS-One and work and goofing off [05:09]
kakobrekla yes, time is arbitrary. i have been saying this for years now. [05:10]
nubbins` what are numbers, anyway? [05:10]
BingoBoingo Nobay likes sears either KRS-One [05:11]
kakobrekla and with that, im leaving cause its fukken late! [05:12]
nubbins` i'm leaving because i'm listless [05:12]
KRS-One yeah and they didnt change the kmart brand [05:14]
KRS-One point is, even though there are people who might not like the brand, its well known. [05:14]
KRS-One it can be improved [05:15]
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KRS-One try starting up a compnay with some new name that you just pull out of your ass [05:15]
BingoBoingo No, K-mart has been doomed since Rosanne took its guns [05:15]
KRS-One even shitts companies make sales [05:15]
KRS-One *shitty [05:16]
BitcoinPropagand [05:16]
KRS-One im not saying they are doing well just the fact that iwas a big aquisition and they didnt change the brand [05:16]
BitcoinPropagand is he/she always like this? [05:16]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00087601 = 8.5849 BTC [-] [05:16]
ozbot Here's where I spew my accusations against MPOE. All are welcome. [05:16]
BingoBoingo BitcoinPropagand: That thread is an excellent exercise in separating soil from shit. [05:18]
BitcoinPropagand idk i'm just a tourist [05:19]
BingoBoingo BitcoinPropagand: No, that's my line. [05:20]
the20year1 taking guns from retailers in teh US always has a negative effect on business. Men hate to shop, by selling guns they bring in men [05:20]
Bugpowdurr Goat needs to get his Lambo repo'ed and hauled off to jail. [05:20]
BingoBoingo BitcoinPropagand: Take some time and read. Everyone expects everyone else to try for six months on the reading anyways. [05:20]
BitcoinPropagand i just did it [05:21]
BingoBoingo The full six months? [05:21]
BingoBoingo How many BTC for your time machine? [05:21]
BitcoinPropagand read [05:21]
KRS-One ozbot just give my my bait [05:22]
KRS-One .bait [05:22]
* KRS-One SHAKES ozbot. [05:22]
ozbot [05:22]
ThickAsThieves i thought that butt was gold for a second [05:22]
pankkake gold butts are only for bitcoin conferences [05:23]
pankkake when's the altcoin conference? [05:23]
pankkake and altcoin foundation [05:23]
Vexual know any cool catacomb clubs? [05:24]
BingoBoingo Vexual: Maybe if you offer evidence of not being a cop. [05:25]
mircea_popescu Bugpowdurr whats your story with goat ? [05:25]
mircea_popescu pankkake you should prolly be doing the altcoin conference. [05:25]
pankkake last time I presented something in public, no one understood what my project was [05:26]
Vexual perfect [05:26]
nubbins` that's because you're not supposed to take your cock out on the bus ;( [05:26]
mircea_popescu pankkake now you see my wisdom. [05:27]
pankkake not really [05:27]
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mircea_popescu "He had a 4.0 GPA in English (and English fluency-required) classes throughout high school and college" < lol [05:27]
mircea_popescu pankkake nobody understands wtf atc is also. [05:27]
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benkay goat on the forum today [05:32]
benkay re mpex [05:32]
benkay "sooner or later greater fools will run out of money" [05:32]
benkay s/money/btc [05:32]
mircea_popescu lol ok. [05:32]
mircea_popescu amusingly, he's been derping this since 2011 [05:33]
mircea_popescu in the interval, he ran out of "investor's" money 3x [05:33]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.11403333 = 0.6842 BTC [-] {3} [05:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12820 @ 0.0008765 = 11.2367 BTC [+] [05:35]
mircea_popescu here's something to consider : ancient china had FOUR beauties. that's it. four. [05:35]
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mircea_popescu meanwhile the us has had four "major" singer-songwriter chicks this week [05:35]
Mats_cd03 beauties? [05:35]
mircea_popescu and bitcoin has had at least fourty-four greatest businesses last half hour. [05:35]
mircea_popescu in any field oif "business" one might be interested. [05:36]
mircea_popescu Mats_cd03 ya. beauties. [05:36]
pankkake I'd think it's mostly because information flows faster. and there's almost unlimited bandwidth [05:36]
pankkake more crap now! [05:37]
Mats_cd03 what do you mean beauties [05:37]
the20year1 greatest businesses? [05:37]
mircea_popescu and because since they're all ugly and stupid, how are you to even distinguish. [05:37]
mircea_popescu Mats_cd03 the plural of the noun beauty. like a beauty, two beauties. [05:37]
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mircea_popescu the20year yes. like these dorks [05:38]
asciilifeform the four uglies. one entices rocks to float. one enwings bricks. one puts out the sun, who refuses to illuminate her face. one wilts flowers. [05:39]
mircea_popescu lol [05:39]
mircea_popescu "turns rocks to turds" [05:39]
asciilifeform amazing! rock converter. [05:40]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [05:40]
Vexual is she a volcano? [05:40]
mircea_popescu judging by the hydrogen sulfide... [05:41]
asciilifeform Vexual: nah, merely an anti-Midas. [05:41]
Vexual can't smell it, just lit my philospohy pipe [05:41]
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Bugpowdurr in the interval, he ran out of "investor's" money 3x Nothing personal. Just one of the scammers that hasn't been shut down yet. [05:41]
mircea_popescu he has, tho. [05:41]
mircea_popescu it's just... he has not much better to do with his time anyway, so he keeps coming back. [05:42]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: So far the altcoin trading isn't going bad. [05:42]
mircea_popescu cool. [05:42]
Bugpowdurr I really do want some ATC. [05:42]
BingoBoingo Bugpowdurr: Buy at market on x-btc [05:42]
Bugpowdurr I think it could really appreciate in value and I could flip it for 10x [05:42]
BingoBoingo Sorry x-bt [05:43]
Bugpowdurr given the trajectory [05:43]
mircea_popescu what value ? and why would it appreciate in price anyway ? [05:43]
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Bugpowdurr Can one deposit to ATC [05:43]
mircea_popescu sure. [05:43]
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BingoBoingo Bugpowdurr: is the least scammy ATC exchange. [05:43]
Bugpowdurr Collective delusions cause price increases all the tim. [05:43]
BingoBoingo Bugpowdurr: Buy all of my asks [05:43]
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Bugpowdurr What makes ATC any different from 10s of 'mining stocks' or other alt coins? Nothing essential [05:44]
Vexual its the only altcoin and it has a philosophy club [05:44]
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BingoBoingo Bugpowdurr: Because defining is has continued longer than any meme has in history. [05:44]
Bugpowdurr It has at its core, the same driver of price as any other one of these. [05:44]
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Bugpowdurr doge is the biggest winner in that fiedl [05:45]
mircea_popescu doge is in a mudslide all of its own. [05:45]
mircea_popescu no fields. [05:45]
nubbins` ooh, 'fi' looks gross in this font [05:46]
Bugpowdurr The enthusiasm level on the street is palpable. [05:46]
KRS-One Vexual: [05:46]
Bugpowdurr You might not see it over in RO, but in Santa Monica meet up, people were pumped about doge. [05:46]
Bugpowdurr PRE price runup [05:46]
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mircea_popescu lmao. [05:47]
mircea_popescu what runup, afair it was going down [05:47]
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mircea_popescu anyway, the reason i put zero stock in whatever the us folk get "pumped up" about is because that's what they do for the sake of doing it. they have nothing to talk about so they tell each other how excited they are about random, unremarkable stuff. [05:48]
BingoBoingo Doge just had a halving didn't it and it still trades below ATC? [05:48]
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ThickAsThieves Doge is basically the social media of altcoins [05:49]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo doge basically runs a dump and dillute, to extract five bux a head from the starbucks crowd in santa monica [05:49]
ThickAsThieves a fukn scourge [05:49]
mircea_popescu in this sense it makes zero difference to count "halvings" and whatnot [05:49]
mircea_popescu they just change the pow whenever to inflate it all away. [05:49]
BitcoinPropagand my favourite altcoin: [05:49]
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mircea_popescu and honestly, if i wanted fiddy grand out of a bunch of cali retards a) i wouldn't spend 80 grand to get it and b) i wouldn't bother this many people with the nonsense. [05:50]
mircea_popescu but then again that's me. [05:50]
ThickAsThieves Altcoin is worth more than AKC [05:50]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: And thousands of penny stocks have done that before. It is why wops that don't read are doomed to repeat history, because Ponzi was a fucking Guinea. [05:51]
Bugpowdurr It went from 25 to 290 satoshi... I had 20M I bought low and sold at 50 to rebuy on a dip. Felt like I had been unfaithful and was punished. [05:51]
ThickAsThieves BitcoinPropagand -> [05:51]
Bugpowdurr Case in point - Tweeter [05:51]
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Bugpowdurr TWTRQ [05:51]
mircea_popescu yes dood, and some twerps made a "brand" out of some youtube video. [05:52]
mircea_popescu the word is epiphenomena. [05:52]
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Bugpowdurr I respect the position of not wanting to participate in epiphenomena, but this attitude is exactly the same as what Joe Phil Morgan types use to talk themselves out of making bitcoin investments. Or Tren Griffin into thinking that alt-coins are where its really at. [05:54]
mircea_popescu no argument. [05:55]
BitcoinPropagand ThickAsThieves there's a exchange for that? [05:55]
mircea_popescu i was entirely at risk of missing bitcoin entirely, if it weren't for all teh people screaming at me, [05:55]
BingoBoingo BitcoinPropagand: [05:55]
mircea_popescu so it's a street not a fence. [05:56]
ThickAsThieves ^ [05:59]
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Vexual BingoBoingo, did you buy some half decent vodka for your birthday? [06:02]
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BitcoinPropagand looks interesting this is yours? [06:03]
BingoBoingo Vexual: No. I made a point to get the cheapest. [06:03]
mircea_popescu and with that i bid you all a very good time and you can call me asleep. [06:04]
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* Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: || - most days worth reading || - all days worth reading [09:50]
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mircea_popescu Jere_Jones the pair is formed out of the base and the counter. [09:53]
moiety to do what bingo? [09:53]
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mircea_popescu o look it's a moiety. [09:53]
moiety mircea! how's you? i has a page naos! [09:54]
moiety not excited or anything [09:54]
mircea_popescu god forbid you be excited, this is puritania, all excitement is punished by nipple excision [09:54]
mircea_popescu or incision [09:54]
mircea_popescu or w/e. [09:55]
mircea_popescu haha nice page. [09:55]
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* moiety reverts back to unbridled enthusiasm for nipple protection [09:55]
mircea_popescu has everything it needs to have, gpg key, email, etc. [09:55]
mircea_popescu lol cads discovering martingales. cute. [09:56]
mircea_popescu "hey guise! beer! w00t!" [09:56]
moiety look at me, i'm growing! i think bingo may have passed out [09:58]
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mircea_popescu [09:59]
ozbot Bitcoin’s largest exchange is dying. Here’s why that’s not a problem for Bitcoin. [09:59]
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mircea_popescu check out tim lee changing his mind. [09:59]
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BingoBoingo I am so full of hate. [10:00]
mircea_popescu wha happened ? [10:00]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: High School fucks want favors out of my sweet nothing. [10:01]
mircea_popescu so fuck them. [10:01]
BingoBoingo Oh, too late ofr that. [10:01]
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mircea_popescu never too late. [10:02]
moiety all this energy could be better spent elsewhere [10:02]
BingoBoingo Maybe for them. I remember though the time I tried to buy coke and got gyp'd into ketamine. [10:03]
moiety like turning me into a chess grandmaster or something [10:03]
BingoBoingo In 2009 [10:03]
BingoBoingo moiety: That would ne cleaner that me collecting from all my nigs [10:03]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07349999 = 0.147 BTC [+] [10:04]
mircea_popescu pankkake: how, now FeedBurner only reports 7 subscribers :/ I've sunk a lot << see that's why i prefer talking to max keiser. he has a lot of subscribers. this makes a difference. /sarcasm [10:04]
BingoBoingo Fuck, 7 is a lot of subscribers? [10:05]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00087567 = 12.6096 BTC [-] {2} [10:05]
BingoBoingo (The hatorade builds) [10:05]
mircea_popescu "Jere_Jones:BingoBoingo The rest would be that BIP70 is a solution to a problem that doesn't exist and thus completely unnecessary?" lol checxk him out, at this rate by the end of the year he's rewriting trilema :D [10:05]
moiety if i ever blog, will you guys subscribe so i don't feel bad?! [10:06]
mircea_popescu nope. [10:06]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: On BIP 70 he doesn't make it that far [10:06]
* moiety sighs [10:06]
mircea_popescu well maybe if tits. [10:06]
mircea_popescu what's in a subscription. [10:06]
BingoBoingo moiety: I'll sunscribe if you say something good. [10:06]
mircea_popescu maybe someone'll serbscribe... [10:06]
moiety supscript, i just say hi daily [10:07]
mircea_popescu lol [10:07]
BingoBoingo BE aware. As much anger as I have, there are moar people I'd like to kill than subscribe to. [10:07]
mircea_popescu so you;d subscribe to their funeral ? [10:07]
BingoBoingo Yeah. [10:08]
mircea_popescu best oration ever. "Dear people, I am here because I really wanted this fucker dead, and now he is." [10:08]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: That is pretty much my legal defense. [10:08]
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BingoBoingo For that nasty disorderly conduct charge. [10:08]
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mircea_popescu sounds like it'd go over better in a las vegas strip club than in a chicago court. [10:09]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Who said chicago. This goes to cour in East St Louis. [10:09]
BingoBoingo Because Niggers.txt. [10:09]
BingoBoingo I like some dark chocolate pussy, but not at the cost of my freedom. [10:10]
mircea_popescu you know he has a point. 28 is young as fuck, and i don't even comprehend wtf this notion is that twennysomethings should have like careers and moneyz and womenz and whatnot. [10:10]
mircea_popescu live a little. [10:11]
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mircea_popescu [10:12]
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mircea_popescu republicans : "nine out of ten participants to a gangbang really enjoy the experience" [10:12]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Shhhh... [10:13]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.072 = 0.144 BTC [+] [10:13]
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BingoBoingo I miss occupy WTF, because that was some easy tang. [10:13]
BingoBoingo BTC is a thing that exists nao though. [10:14]
BingoBoingo Dun dun dun dun. Stupid fucking mongoloids. [10:15]
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mircea_popescu so am i the only one for whom the site simply loads nothing ? [10:15]
mircea_popescu dumbass bootstrap javascript etc. [10:15]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: That side loads a full Usagi for me [10:17]
mircea_popescu prolly attempts to load some blocked script and fails to degrade. [10:17]
BingoBoingo Shit [10:18]
BingoBoingo I dumped a bunch of cigs on my lap [10:19]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13550 @ 0.00088021 = 11.9268 BTC [+] {2} [10:20]
BingoBoingo I howeveer an still willing to coach Paul Graham and be his Nick Saban for 100 BTC/year [10:21]
moiety works ok for me [10:21]
BingoBoingo moiety: Maybe harass him a bit with your vagina? [10:21]
moiety lol harass who and why? [10:21]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo eh you're coming on too strong, and to the wrong people. [10:22]
BingoBoingo I want those assholes to learn to learn [10:22]
mircea_popescu paul graham is dead, or at any rate old enough he might as well be. [10:22]
mircea_popescu find some unheard of upstart. [10:22]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I think too stong to the right people. [10:22]
moiety i'm not even sure how one harrasses with on'es vagina to begin with [10:23]
mircea_popescu for anyone into celebration : Tue, 13 May 2014 16:53:20 GMT will be unixtime 1400000000 [10:23]
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mircea_popescu that aside, we doing anything for 1600000000 ? [10:23]
BingoBoingo Mircea No big BTC hollidays untile next year [10:23]
mircea_popescu (which, incidentally, aslo falls on a 13) [10:23]
BingoBoingo Any niggas here know a winkelvii? [10:25]
mircea_popescu [10:25]
BingoBoingo I can't pull that... again [10:26]
moiety you know you get virtual assistants? do you think bitcoin secretaries would be of any use? [10:26]
BingoBoingo moiety: Move to Timisoara already [10:26]
mircea_popescu bitcoin secretaries would be of plenty of use, if they're very good at what they do. [10:26]
moiety where is that and why do i know that name [10:27]
mircea_popescu and they don't end up working for george. [10:27]
moiety and who is george [10:27]
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BingoBoingo George is the otheer nigga in timisoara [10:27]
mircea_popescu moiety grep fro "feasible" [10:27]
mircea_popescu im sorry, doable not feasible [10:27]
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mircea_popescu forgot for a moment this show was intended for a us audience [10:28]
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mircea_popescu must use dblplusgood speaks and stuff. [10:28]
BingoBoingo I hold out for Paul graham for one reason. [10:28]
BingoBoingo niggers.txt. [10:28]
moiety aha! seinfield. I keep meaning to watch it, so many people reference it [10:28]
BingoBoingo Some dude though wanted me+him to be the StL BTC meetup. [10:29]
BingoBoingo Told him to fuck off. [10:29]
BingoBoingo Nao he works for Bitpay. [10:29]
moiety lol harsh [10:30]
BingoBoingo Told him an hour ago to fuck off harder [10:30]
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BingoBoingo moiety: This is how business happens though [10:31]
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BingoBoingo Especially since Charlie SHrem was Bitpay's BTC Jesus too. [10:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.NSA] 12000 @ 0.0002 = 2.4 BTC [+] [10:31]
moiety lets get drunk today, seems the best road for monday [10:32]
BingoBoingo Nevar has anyone in the history of wealth held so little and done so much. [10:32]
BingoBoingo 'Cauuse Plato was wrong, nigga [10:33]
moiety what happened to shrem? [10:33]
BingoBoingo moiety: He owned a bong in 'Murica? [10:33]
moiety found Timisoara, i know it from here. that's where you live mircea, right? [10:35]
BingoBoingo This is prolly still true [10:35]
BingoBoingo moiety: That isn't where he lives, That is where he thrives. [10:36]
moiety wiki has a lovely picture of the square at night in winter [10:36]
moiety why can't we have leds all year round [10:37]
moiety youre very very drunk huh bingo [10:39]
BingoBoingo moiety: If you think this is very drunk, I dun want to know what you imagine sober is [10:39]
BingoBoingo moiety: Even if there is worse, I swear I am not the worst. [10:40]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00087499 = 8.9249 BTC [-] {2} [10:41]
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moiety sober is when you don't talk to me [10:41]
moiety smahed is when you end up in court [10:41]
moiety smashed [10:41]
moiety i think we are in between just now :P [10:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00088027 = 21.3025 BTC [+] {2} [10:42]
BingoBoingo Moiety ther is plenty of room to refine that spectrum [10:42]
moiety lol [10:45]
BingoBoingo Smashed is what I still defend in court, for justice. [10:45]
moiety february is next bit isnt it [10:46]
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BingoBoingo Smashed is what I still defend in court, for justice. Moiety it is a bit too late your you [10:48]
moiety understandation incomplete. please try again? [10:50]
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BingoBoingo Suppose again? [10:51]
moiety whats too late forme? [10:51]
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moiety im a lost cause in general, i thought we clarified that [10:51]
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BingoBoingo moiety: I am loster [10:51]
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moiety you feel more lost than you are BingoBoingo. i just think youre looking for something. [10:52]
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moiety i found this however gorgeous [10:56]
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BingoBoingo moiety: Of course I am lost, I am 'Murican [10:57]
BingoBoingo You have been trying for a niche too long. Do you want an expert or not; challenge posed t Mr Graham [10:57]
moiety did you just say that to him? [10:58]
BingoBoingo moiety: TO Graham, yes [10:58]
moiety you are one of the more enlightened 'muricans though bingo [10:58]
BingoBoingo moiety: I know [10:58]
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BingoBoingo And people who ignore that will pain [10:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00088058 = 9.9946 BTC [+] {3} [10:59]
moiety this is why you need a bitch man, you need someone to sit on your phone in these times to create a line you cant go over [10:59]
mircea_popescu mkay, i see moiety has the situation in hand hiar. [11:00]
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moiety dont leave us! [11:00]
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herbijudlestoids hullo kids [11:03]
herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: chess? [11:03]
herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: the song is [11:03]
moiety herbi! [11:04]
moiety herbi herbi I've been at my pi again! It now looks after my email AND *beams* [11:05]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: Not nao when the laptop is a traitor [11:06]
herbijudlestoids moiety: got er goin 24/7? is something i heard about yesterday [11:06]
herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: :( ok [11:06]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: Black or white? [11:07]
herbijudlestoids haha are we playing? [11:07]
herbijudlestoids heads [11:07]
herbijudlestoids ;;coin [11:07]
gribble tails [11:07]
BingoBoingo Why cause my lappy has the twitch? [11:07]
herbijudlestoids i came on just for a game! [11:08]
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BingoBoingo I coughed on the lappy and nao it is angry [11:09]
herbijudlestoids alright, enjoy the song ;) [11:10]
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BingoBoingo I am so full of hate [11:10]
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BingoBoingo can't click [11:13]
BingoBoingo such pain [11:14]
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moiety oooh herbi thanks for the mailpile link [11:19]
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moiety lol i love how bingo's speech becomes more and more dogelike the more and more vodka-filled he is [11:20]
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BingoBoingo moiety: i NEVER KNEW A dOGE WHO TALKED LIKE ME. [11:24]
BingoBoingo Maybe Doge means different things though. [11:25]
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moiety i dont know anyone that talks like you dear [11:27]
moiety thats a good thing [11:27]
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moiety are yous playing chess? [11:28]
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BingoBoingo moiety: Mouse ain't working right, so no, night night [11:29]
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moiety nanight BingoBoingo sleep well, hope you dont feel rough when you get up [11:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00087554 = 8.2301 BTC [-] [11:30]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.574999 BTC [+] [11:31]
moiety is selling domains on btctalk a hideous idea? [11:35]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12074 @ 0.00087496 = 10.5643 BTC [-] {2} [11:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2700 @ 0.00087493 = 2.3623 BTC [-] [11:39]
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WillTablet Hello [11:42]
cazalla depends, most people selling domains there are selling utter junk [11:42]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.57844999 = 3.4707 BTC [+] {6} [11:50]
WillTablet Heh if anyone wants for the rest of its term they can have ir [11:52]
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jurov << mircea_popescu [11:54]
ozbot Twitter / ConanOBrien: Wow. Strippers get angry if ... [11:54]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.58400221 = 6.424 BTC [+] [12:01]
moiety -strippers get angry if... they aren't spray painted gold first [12:04]
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moiety hey, steve, please turn off your laptop! [12:17]
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moiety or not [12:17]
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moiety cazalla: mine is a bitcoin domain, just unsure what to list for [12:20]
cazalla moiety: obviously but 99% of them are total shit [12:21]
moiety yeah ive just been having a look at other listings for reference cazalla i see what you mean [12:22]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.19376446 = 1.5501 BTC [+] [12:37]
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Namworld [12:42]
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Namworld "With this new system in place, MtGox should be able to resume withdrawals [12:42]
Namworld soon. At the beginning we will do so at a moderated pace and with new daily/ [12:42]
Namworld monthly limits in place to prevent any problems with the new system and to take [12:42]
Namworld into account current market conditions. " [12:42]
Namworld market... conditions... right, whatever that is supposed to mean. [12:43]
davout also how is an e-mail telling you someone logged in to your account a security measure [12:44]
CiPi Is crap. [12:44]
CiPi They lie again. [12:44]
CiPi That fat mark liar. [12:44]
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davout that's just letting you know you're being buttraped faster but doesn't really help... [12:45]
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davout "hey, someone is currently performing surprise butseks on your account, since they'll probably change your password right away you're fucked nonetheless" [12:46]
CiPi I`m glad that i don`t have coins there. [12:46]
CiPi I just identified a jew, nkuttler...a big one... [12:47]
jurov ;;bc,stats [12:47]
gribble Current Blocks: 286340 | Current Difficulty: 3.1295731745222874E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 288287 | Next Difficulty In: 1947 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 22 hours, 31 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3607442252.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 15.26946 [12:47]
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jurov oh it did already change again [12:48]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3150 @ 0.00087503 = 2.7563 BTC [+] [12:53]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 43 @ 0.06720002 = 2.8896 BTC [-] {4} [13:00]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.06437499 = 0.515 BTC [-] {5} [13:04]
davout !t m x.eur [13:04]
assbot [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00218173 / 0.00218173 / 0.00218173 (450 shares, 0.98 BTC), 7D: 0.00194567 / 0.00201007 / 0.00218173 (3800 shares, 7.64 BTC), 30D: 0.00166114 / 0.00178039 / 0.00218173 (15250 shares, 27.15 BTC) [13:04]
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Willdude123 Are all this bitcoin stocks actually legal? [13:12]
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KRS-One hah [13:15]
Willdude123 IKR legal is so 2013 [13:16]
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davout Willdude123: define "legal" [13:18]
Willdude123 In keeping with financial tax, regulation and investment law [13:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4000 @ 0.0002375 = 0.95 BTC [+] [13:21]
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random_cat in what locale? [13:24]
random_cat for the buyer or the seller? [13:25]
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davout Willdude123: "teh law" is something relative to where you live, so unless you specify *which* law it is impossible to go further [13:29]
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davout bitcoin stocks are perfectly compliant with the laws of gravity [13:30]
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Willdude123 Loads of exchanges tell people not to trade if they're in the US. What laws apply if they are offshore but primarily serving Americans? [13:31]
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davout Willdude123: i didn't really investigate the subject of the application of american regulations to non-US bitcoin stock exchanges, but it seems the SEC does have an opinion, not that it really matters that much though. you should ask nefario about it, he used to run glbse that allegedly closed down due to some sort of SEC-indeuced legal pressure [13:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 83 @ 0.0055 = 0.4565 BTC [13:37]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7904 @ 0.00087503 = 6.9162 BTC [+] [13:42]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.129 BTC [+] [13:43]
Namworld [06:30] bitcoin stocks are perfectly compliant with the laws of gravity [13:49]
Namworld ah [13:50]
random_cat *which* laws of gravity? Newton, Einstein, or something newer? [13:51]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.19376446 = 1.5501 BTC [+] [14:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [+] [14:29]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.12 = 0.96 BTC [-] [14:31]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+] [14:32]
ThickAsThieves i called it! "With this new system in place, MtGox should be able to resume withdrawals soon. At the beginning we will do so at a moderated pace and with new daily/monthly limits in place to prevent any problems with the new system and to take [14:34]
ThickAsThieves into account current market conditions. " [14:34]
ThickAsThieves [16:54] so any predictions what gox will announce? [14:36]
ThickAsThieves [16:55] i'm going with "btc withdrawals are now partially open, so we can monitor the situation" [14:36]
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Willdude123 Hey ThickAsThieves [14:45]
Willdude123 I was thinking I could learn more programming and do that for BTC [14:45]
ThickAsThieves go for it [14:49]
ThickAsThieves just dont be a flaky knowitallthatknowslittle programmer [14:49]
ThickAsThieves we have enough of those [14:49]
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Willdude123 So someone who's just like ooh programming I can get $$ for this [14:55]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.07777002 = 0.3111 BTC [-] {2} [15:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21850 @ 0.00087482 = 19.1148 BTC [-] {2} [15:10]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25254 @ 0.0008755 = 22.1099 BTC [+] {2} [15:15]
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moiety any men online just now?? [15:21]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 400 @ 0.00087467 = 0.3499 BTC [-] [15:24]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.129 = 0.258 BTC [+] [15:26]
kakobrekla yes, men online just now. [15:27]
moiety lol sorry realise how that sounded [15:30]
moiety ignore me, i had a situation [15:30]
Willdude123 Men in your area [15:31]
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Willdude123 Looking for fun :P [15:31]
kakobrekla men just want to have fun [15:36]
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KRS-One Woo! Lets party [15:38]
KRS-One Who wants to cyber? [15:39]
KRS-One .bait [15:39]
ozbot [15:39]
mircea_popescu simona halep is now #9 wta! ha! [15:39]
kakobrekla ;;google cyndi lauper just want to have fun [15:39]
gribble Cyndi Lauper - Girls Just Want To Have Fun - YouTube: ; Girls Just Want to Have Fun - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Cyndi Lauper – Girls Just Want to Have Fun – Listen and discover ...: [15:39]
mircea_popescu lol jurov [15:40]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 500 @ 0.0002375 = 0.1188 BTC [+] [15:42]
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ThickAsThieves whoa simona has big lungs [15:48]
mircea_popescu not anymore [15:48]
mircea_popescu she used to. [15:48]
ThickAsThieves ah [15:49]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.571 = 1.713 BTC [-] [15:49]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07349999 = 0.3675 BTC [+] {2} [15:51]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.061 = 0.122 BTC [-] [15:51]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.13 BTC [+] [15:51]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0735 = 1.47 BTC [+] {2} [15:52]
moiety sorry guys, what happened was i went outside and my pet i just buried had been uncovered and was missing, i just didn't know what to do and i got a bit upset. apologies [15:52]
mircea_popescu so was it a fox ? [15:52]
moiety maybe, or dog or something [15:52]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07349999 = 0.735 BTC [-] {2} [15:53]
moiety the stuff i had wrapped the pet in was all over thegarden :( [15:53]
moiety and im scared to find parts of my pet, you know? [15:53]
mircea_popescu sucks ;/ [15:53]
* moiety is not very good with pet related things [15:53]
mircea_popescu why did you bury it shallow ? [15:53]
moiety i didn't think it was shallow [15:53]
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mircea_popescu how deep was it ? [15:53]
moiety and its a private garden [15:54]
moiety thinking on it, about a foot? [15:54]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0735 = 0.735 BTC [+] [15:54]
mircea_popescu that makes no difference, ownership is a people thing not a nature thing. [15:54]
mircea_popescu ever heard the "seven feet under" expression ? [15:54]
* moiety nods [15:54]
ThickAsThieves sixfeet in US [15:54]
ThickAsThieves we even have a TV show [15:54]
moiety it was just really hard digging a hole with a spoon on my own, i was a bit upset when i was doing it [15:54]
mircea_popescu yes well. [15:54]
mircea_popescu didja put anything over it ? like a plank or something ? [15:55]
Willdude123 ThickAsThieves, can I ask you a question regarding B.MINE and B.SELL? [15:55]
ThickAsThieves you should ask the guy who runs it [15:55]
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moiety yeah, i put wood planks that were outside over her to keep her safe [15:55]
mircea_popescu what did you bury ? [15:55]
moiety please don't laugh, she meant a lot to me [15:56]
moiety hamster [15:56]
mircea_popescu it was a cat. [15:56]
mircea_popescu cats will dig about a foot [15:56]
ThickAsThieves you think? [15:56]
mircea_popescu defo. [15:56]
moiety i think that makes sense [15:56]
mircea_popescu next time get a shovel eh. just because it's a tiny pet doesn't mean it can't get a manly burial. [15:57]
moiety there isnt that much of a mess for a dog to have been digging [15:57]
* moiety nods [15:57]
kakobrekla well, you did provide some cat a meal, thats a good thing. [15:57]
moiety i learned big lesson today mircea_popescu [15:57]
ThickAsThieves i'd guess another critter [15:57]
moiety i guess kakobrekla i know its all circular, its just a bit upsetting when its right in front of you [15:57]
ThickAsThieves like raccoon [15:57]
mircea_popescu she's in scotland [15:58]
moiety no racoons in scotland! [15:58]
mircea_popescu they have raccoons now ? [15:58]
ThickAsThieves oh [15:58]
ThickAsThieves lol [15:58]
moiety :D [15:58]
moiety but hey! you stopped me crying lolol [15:58]
ThickAsThieves maybe the cat needs a home [15:59]
Willdude123 ThickAsThieves, is he on here? [15:59]
ThickAsThieves will, i dont think so, but he is responsive in his fporum thread [15:59]
kakobrekla wtf is this shit now [16:00]
kakobrekla supernode changed his name [16:00]
moiety im a bit scared to search the garden but i feel i should just in case theres bits i could rebury [16:00]
kakobrekla he is now > [16:00]
kakobrekla "rpietila, the Vassal of the Mighty Goat" [16:00]
ThickAsThieves cats dont leave bits [16:00]
ThickAsThieves they transport [16:00]
mircea_popescu yeah it probably put the thing's head on a pike somewhere. [16:01]
ThickAsThieves it's probablt on the cat owner's steps [16:01]
kakobrekla did the chang goat get him or what [16:01]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla sort-of old news actually. [16:02]
kakobrekla well im out of the loop apparently [16:02]
moiety poor wilma :( [16:02]
ThickAsThieves nice name [16:02]
mircea_popescu why does wilma care whether it's eaten by fungus or mammals ? [16:03]
moiety I care. i feel she deerved better [16:04]
kakobrekla well, i vouch taht rodents dont care if they are eaten [16:04]
Willdude123 I wonder if I could somehow time lock my btc. So make it such that I can't touch them for 6 months [16:04]
moiety i couldn't bury her for ages you see, I just couldn't do it. so its worse that when i finally managed to bury her, she gets eaten a day later [16:04]
kakobrekla Willdude123 there are several ways of doing that [16:04]
mircea_popescu Willdude123 yeah. by not touching them for 6 months. [16:04]
Willdude123 heh [16:05]
mircea_popescu moiety ahahaha you're such a twerp. [16:05]
mircea_popescu why not ask a day before rather than a day after teh failburial ? [16:05]
kakobrekla in some cultures that i didnt bother to remember, they un-bury the dead every few years [16:06]
kakobrekla clean the bones up [16:06]
moiety i didn't realise it had failed until about 20 minutes agp [16:06]
kakobrekla pack it back down. [16:06]
moiety ago [16:06]
mircea_popescu moiety but it was the first time you did it right ? [16:06]
mircea_popescu what made you think you're a qualified undertaker. [16:06]
moiety yep [16:06]
* mircea_popescu adds citizen undertaking to the list of citizen things with dentistry and banking. [16:07]
moiety oh lol not a single thing aside from not having any other option [16:07]
mircea_popescu so maybe next time ask the internets before devirginizing. [16:07]
mircea_popescu the internets know all. [16:07]
kakobrekla Willdude123 its possible to make a tx in such way it will be valid after n time, or just use bitbet. [16:08]
moiety yeah I usually am a lot more efficient when not bereaved [16:08]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla yeah, like in romania. [16:08]
mircea_popescu 7 years, wash bones in wine, rebury. [16:08]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla wow that's true... bitbet can lock oyur dough for X time np./ [16:08]
kakobrekla you know that already. [16:09]
ThickAsThieves thats one of the excuses i give myself for betting [16:09]
kakobrekla i didnt know romanians do that shit, its retarded. [16:09]
moiety only the first 7 mircea_popescu ? [16:09]
moiety or every 7? [16:09]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla well it's done in the east (moldavia), where the retarded romanians live. [16:09]
mircea_popescu first 7. [16:09]
moiety k, thx [16:09]
mircea_popescu i think the next is 42 or 49 or somesuch [16:10]
ThickAsThieves however long til the bones are no longer drunk [16:10]
mircea_popescu lol [16:10]
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mircea_popescu it's actually useful in places where you need to reuse the ground [16:10]
mircea_popescu take the bones out, bury someone else. [16:10]
mircea_popescu this is practiced extensively, just, you don't know about it. [16:11]
moiety you know, there is a park where i usually bury my small pets... im thinking others have probably been uncovered and i just havent seen it... [16:11]
moiety mircea_popescu: but don't they go looking ofr the missing (buried) person? [16:11]
kakobrekla yes its logical when you need some space, first thing it to come to mind - poke dead people [16:11]
moiety for* [16:11]
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mircea_popescu moiety who, they ? [16:11]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla romania is a country with ~20mn people alive and ~150 bn people dead. [16:11]
ThickAsThieves romanians leave no witnesses [16:11]
mircea_popescu you want the entire country to be a cemetery or something ? [16:12]
kakobrekla burn to ashes [16:12]
kakobrekla takes less sapce [16:12]
mircea_popescu for that matter, visit rome. they have osuaries. [16:12]
kakobrekla space [16:12]
mircea_popescu how do you think they got THOSE bones ? [16:12]
kakobrekla why would you want to look up after rome!? [16:12]
mircea_popescu pretty much all xtian monasteries did this. [16:12]
mircea_popescu i didn't say you'd want to, just that people do. [16:12]
moiety are osuaries those places with the wee slots for peoples remains? [16:13]
mircea_popescu ;;google santa maria della concezione dei cappuccini [16:13]
gribble Santa Maria della Concezione dei Cappuccini - Wikipedia, the free ...: ; Santa Maria della Concezione Crypts | Atlas Obscura: ; Santa Maria della Concezione - TripAdvisor: [16:13]
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moiety ty! [16:14]
kakobrekla well, italians have issues. [16:14]
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moiety this reminds me of the place in paris [16:14]
mircea_popescu ;;google douaumont [16:15]
gribble Douaumont - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Fort Douaumont - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Douaumont ossuary - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: [16:15]
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kakobrekla >The construction work for Fort de Douaumont started in 1885 and the fort was continually reinforced until 1913. [16:16]
kakobrekla >and due to French unpreparedness, the fort was easily captured by a small German raiding party. [16:16]
kakobrekla #win [16:16]
mircea_popescu lol [16:16]
mircea_popescu "then it was filled with like 100k skeletons" [16:16]
moiety yes! thats the one! [16:17]
mircea_popescu moiety douaumont is not in paris, it's at verdun [16:18]
moiety it's the catacombs im thinking of [16:18]
mircea_popescu and for that matter, [16:18]
kakobrekla but but france is in paris [16:18]
kakobrekla so it makes it ok! [16:18]
mircea_popescu ;;google czermna [16:18]
gribble Skull Chapel, Czermna - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Czermna, Lesser Poland Voivodeship - Wikipedia, the free ...: ; Kaplica Czaszek: The Chapel of Skulls | Atlas Obscura: [16:18]
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moiety my gosh there is loads of these places [16:19]
mircea_popescu toldja. [16:19]
moiety quite impressive how neatly they can be stacked [16:20]
mircea_popescu moiety you sure you weren't thinking of the actual catacombes de paris ? [16:21]
moiety have any of you ever visited any of them? [16:21]
mircea_popescu sure. [16:21]
moiety i think i was mircea_popescu [16:21]
moiety might seem a strange question, but is there a smell to these places? i would imagine there would be [16:21]
mircea_popescu not really. [16:22]
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moiety apparently you can get lost in the catacombes [16:23]
davout moiety: yeah, if you ever go there go with someone who knows [16:24]
moiety i really want to but i think i would get creeped at the entrance on my own davout! lol [16:24]
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moiety so many things to see in this world, i want eyes on legs [16:24]
mircea_popescu moiety chained nude somewhere in the depts of it, where nobody ever goes. [16:25]
mircea_popescu there, fixed your nightmares for you. [16:25]
davout the catacombs in paris aren't really filled with bones and stuff tho, they were originally places where people would get rocks from, don't know the word in english for it [16:25]
ThickAsThieves <<< if anyone is in the mood to laugh at current WP commenter ignorance [16:25]
mircea_popescu davout quarry ? [16:25]
davout mircea_popescu: exactly, ty [16:25]
ozbot Bitcoin’s largest exchange is dying. Here’s why that’s not a problem for Bitcoin. [16:25]
moiety lolol yep, good job mircea, now im thinking on the person that locks the chains *scared* [16:26]
davout so they were originally quarries, and a part of them was used to put bones away when paris cemetaries were getting filled up [16:26]
moiety i love that washington post uses wordpress [16:26]
mircea_popescu wow, apparently other people had this filled cemeteries problem too! [16:26]
mircea_popescu check it out kakobrekla, other countries are like... you know, inhabited [16:27]
mircea_popescu with populations and everything. [16:27]
moiety lol you have to book your spot here in advance, theres so little space [16:27]
kakobrekla sarajevo had the same problem [16:27]
* mircea_popescu googles sarajevo [16:27]
kakobrekla anyway the problem is that people dont want to burn bodies to ashes [16:27]
mircea_popescu Sarajevo (Cyrillic: Сарајево; pronounced [sǎrajɛʋɔ]) is the capital and largest city of Bosnia and Herzegovina, with an estimated population of 291,422 [16:28]
mircea_popescu fucking epic. [16:28]
moiety i would prefer that to rotting in the ground [16:28]
kakobrekla well the problem there was war and they were locked in there [16:28]
kakobrekla with lotsa bodies [16:28]
mircea_popescu yea [16:29]
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moiety it's a real shame there just now too [16:30]
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kakobrekla yeah [16:33]
kakobrekla as someone famous said [16:33]
kakobrekla the balkans produce more history than they can consume [16:33]
mircea_popescu ha! [16:33]
mircea_popescu now that's a good saying. [16:33]
chetty [16:37]
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ThickAsThieves why is the Kyng size smaller looking? [16:42]
ThickAsThieves and why the Y? [16:43]
chetty I was hoping you guys could explain. [16:45]
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moiety is this an extremely poor pr tack?? [16:47]
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moiety as in everything new york gets NYXX treatment. this is a very bad play on that? [16:48]
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moiety either waym they just look like kanyedoms [16:49]
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moiety who is failcoin on twitter? [16:55]
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moiety whoops! [17:02]
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jurov sigh, what did the world come to [17:08]
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asciilifeform 'when the king freed [exiled] drakula from the dungeon, he lead him to buda, and gifted to him a house in pest, opposite buda, but to his court not yet permitted him. and then it happened that some fleeing rogue ran into drakula's manor and took refuge there. the pursuers sought the rogue there and found him. then drakula lept up, snatched his sword, ran from his quarters and beheaded the constable who had caug [17:12]
asciilifeform ht the rogue - and released the rogue. the other constables took flight, and, when they came to the judge, spoke to him of this. the judge and his horsemen went to the king with complaint of drakula. the king a messenger to drakula, to ask, 'why have you wrought this evil?' he replies thusly, 'no evil have i wrought, but the constable has slaine himself with his own hand: such shall be the demise of any who, li [17:12]
asciilifeform ke a rogue, storms into the home of a great lord. had he come to me and spoke reason, i would have found the rogue in my home and either given him up, or asked for his reprieve.' the king was told of this. and he laughed, and marvelled at drakula's approach.' [17:12]
jurov nothing unusual [17:15]
jurov hungaruan kings always had problems with local warlords [17:15]
jurov *hungarian [17:15]
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jurov i'd say marvelled is just a bad translation [17:16]
asciilifeform try this one on for size then. 'once drakula proclaimed: let it be known throughout all of his lands, that all who are old, or invalid, or diseased, or poor, shall come to him. and so came to him an untold multitude of beggars and vagabonds, awaiting generous alms. he ordered them all brought to a house for this purpose built, and had food and wine brought to them. they feasted amidst great merriment. drakula t [17:20]
asciilifeform hen came to them in person, and asked 'what more do you wish?' they answered thusly: 'it is known only to god, lord, and to you: do that which god commands you.' he asked further of them: 'do you wish me to make you happy in this world, wanting for nothing?' they, awaiting from him great generosity, replied in unison, 'yes, we do want, our lord!' and then drakula ordered the house sealed and put to the torch, a [17:20]
asciilifeform nd the alms-seekers did burn. and spoke drakula to his nobles thusly, 'do you know why i did this? firstly, let them no more pester people, and let there be no more beggars in my lands, and all shall be wealthy; secondly, i have set them free; let them suffer no more upon this earth from poverty or illness.' [17:20]
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jurov and then gets invited to buda by king. poor lady bathory should have known better. [17:22]
jurov but she decided to slaughter young girls instead [17:22]
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deadweasel ;;later tell mircea_popescu no no, I just enjoyed their hometown cuisine with sake, nothing more. hometown cuisine is not a euphemism. [17:40]
gribble The operation succeeded. [17:40]
moiety asciilifeform: i'm going to collect it all together [17:41]
asciilifeform moiety: might wanna look for a respectable translation of the whole manuscript. [17:41]
asciilifeform i've shat out maybe half, and not especially well. [17:41]
moiety i like yours. [17:42]
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asciilifeform 1486. "Сказание о Дракуле-воеводе." (tale of drakula, the chieftain.) [17:45]
asciilifeform (prince? warlord? воевод doesn't translate well.) [17:45]
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asciilifeform (for the uninitiated: not to be confused with the fictional 19th c. undead fellow.) [17:46]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 30 @ 0.0055 = 0.165 BTC [17:52]
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chetty asciilifeform: воевод = Governor, but big chief or warlord is probably [17:53]
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moiety chetty: so, drakula the big chief?! [18:03]
moiety or if written in Hackney, Guv [18:03]
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mike_c i guess people either don't think JD is correct, or are just deliberately giving their money away. this guy is firing off 100 bets per minute. i mean, that is just the astoundingly worst way to bet possible. [18:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13685 @ 0.00087455 = 11.9682 BTC [-] {4} [18:14]
mike_c 2000 btc wagered in last few hours, and not surprisingly given how he is betting, he is down 23 btc, almost right on EV. [18:14]
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asciilifeform chetty: literally, 'he who leads us into battle.' the modern english word 'governor' has rather different connotations. [18:17]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.067 = 0.134 BTC [+] [18:18]
asciilifeform e.g. modern russia fields a ballistic missile titled 'voevod.' can you picture naming a rocket 'governor' ? [18:18]
ThickAsThieves Lawsky wants to do an AMA [18:19]
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asciilifeform and now for something completely different. [18:47]
asciilifeform [5760131.063368] bitcoin-msghand[23369]: segfault at 0 ip 000000000048bd21 sp 00007f55d1759800 error 4 in bitcoind[400000+303000] [18:47]
bones` no more drakula? I was enjoying that [18:47]
asciilifeform third time in the past year or so. [18:47]
asciilifeform and always at 0x48bd21, too. [18:48]
asciilifeform this being the 'reference client' [18:48]
asciilifeform on a 64-bit linux box. [18:49]
asciilifeform crash, evidently, is in 'ThreadMessageHandler' [18:49]
asciilifeform [18:49]
asciilifeform gentlemen start your engines. [18:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 610 @ 0.0002305 = 0.1406 BTC [-] {5} [18:51]
ThickAsThieves i'm too ignorant to know what this means [18:52]
ThickAsThieves halp? [18:52]
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mike_c oh no. that's a lot of globals.. [18:53]
asciilifeform ThickAsThieves: it means a potentially-exploitable boojum. [18:53]
asciilifeform in the reference client. [18:53]
asciilifeform (bitcoind) [18:53]
asciilifeform probably naturally-occurring crash, given as the canary coin that lives on that box is still present. [18:54]
jurov interesting. i never had such crash, and running it 24/7 too [18:56]
asciilifeform also 24/7. [18:56]
asciilifeform 3 of these in the past 16 months or so. [18:57]
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mike_c without having a repo, it doesn't seem hard to crash this if a null node gets in the node vector. [18:57]
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jurov it is the same address despite there were updates? [18:57]
jurov or running some old version? [18:58]
asciilifeform only got dumps for the last 2 times, [18:58]
mike_c do you have symbols? I bet on this line: if (pnode->fDisconnect) [18:58]
asciilifeform version 0.8.6 [18:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.54346587 BTC to 1`921 shares, 80347 satoshi per share [18:59]
asciilifeform no symbols. [18:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13554 @ 0.00087358 = 11.8405 BTC [-] {2} [19:00]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] [PAID] 46.37370840 BTC to 1`921 shares, 2414040 satoshi per share [19:01]
mike_c you have the code though, right? you could build symbols and use them to analyze the dump [19:01]
mike_c i mean, you know, if you didn't have anything else to do [19:02]
asciilifeform haha [19:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 100 @ 0.00494209 = 0.4942 BTC [-] {8} [19:02]
mike_c i'm not going to look at that code anymore because I will have to renege on everything i said the other day and agree that a new reference build is high priority. [19:03]
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asciilifeform if bitcoind were written in common lisp or an equivalent (?) system, i'd be looking at an exact, human-readable and resumable-on-repair (!) halted daemon right now. [19:05]
asciilifeform see [19:05]
asciilifeform (and [19:06]
mike_c you can edit-and-continue with some c++ debuggers. it even works 30% of the time. [19:06]
asciilifeform haha [19:06]
asciilifeform that's like welding a torn hair back together. sure, it's possible... [19:07]
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cads ahaha [19:41]
cads hey asciilifeform, so you were translating those stories from earlier? [19:41]
asciilifeform cads: yeah [19:41]
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cads Where from? They were pretty good. [19:42]
cads It wasn't romanin, was it? [19:42]
asciilifeform nope [19:42]
cads darn [19:42]
asciilifeform [19:42]
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asciilifeform (scroll up for 2 more.) [19:42]
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cads haha, nice [19:47]
cads hey, so you guys think mt gox has earned too many strikes to keep playing? [19:48]
cads or has it just fallen into second place [19:48]
mike_c goxbux are worth less than 0.5 btc now.. [19:49]
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cads what do you mean, it seems like if you had 300 dollars in a gox account now you could buy coin and jump out [19:51]
ThickAsThieves except you cant [19:52]
cads oh, right, that's what 'halted withdrawals' means [19:53]
ThickAsThieves if you are maybe lucky you can maybe jump out on Thursday [19:53]
cads woo [19:53]
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cads this is like a full speed freight train that's been magically teleported 2 miles up into the sky [19:54]
cads above a residential area :) [19:54]
cads hurling wreckage [19:55]
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asciilifeform does anyone here have more than a 'purely zoological' interest in what happens to gox? [20:04]
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asciilifeform because i sure don't. [20:04]
mike_c i think we all do in the same way we had an interest in SR failing. good for btc. [20:05]
asciilifeform one chump magnet dies, another takes its place. [20:05]
asciilifeform or ten others. [20:05]
deadweasel the dodo told everyone it could fly, when in fact it had never even sold a magic card... [20:05]
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jurov you think anyone here will admit it has something there? [20:06]
asciilifeform i'll extend mp's thesis and conjecture that it died from, rather than in spite, of, the mountain of free advertising in u.s. mouthpiece media 'mtgox, the largest exchange, today, ... etc' [20:07]
asciilifeform do herds of chumps bring into existence chumpmeisters, or the other way around? [20:08]
mike_c well, it died from incompetence. herds of chumps is the only reason we are talking about them. [20:08]
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jurov does anyone have a competence growing btc/fiat exchange [20:10]
jurov from 0 to 100000 users in few years? [20:10]
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jurov i guess much better people than karpeles would get burned [20:11]
asciilifeform when you get 100,000 users, does satan appear before you and command you to 'take the exchange fractional' ? [20:11]
jurov they would still have to deal with banks. and they can be worse than satan. [20:12]
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asciilifeform hence the question of whether an honest btc/fiat exchange is possible even in principle, without the cooperation of a sovereign. [20:12]
mike_c jurov, 0 -> 100k in a few years isn't that hard with appropriate resources (which they had) [20:13]
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mike_c well, they had monetary resources. not talent resources. [20:13]
asciilifeform i think the implication might have been that 100k users turns you into a 'person of interest' for the vultures [20:13]
asciilifeform and then 'you can also have problems.' [20:13]
jurov dunno if sovereign changes anything. vatican supposedly has banned all electronic money transfers [20:14]
jurov *is banned from [20:14]
wao-ender is it? v0v, didnt know [20:15]
jurov nto even tourists can use ATMs there last time i heard [20:15]
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mike_c second market is legally & reliably exchanging bitcoin. who needs an exchange for HFT quants? nobody. [20:16]
jurov what is second market? [20:17]
mike_c [20:17]
wao-ender jurov: [20:17]
ThickAsThieves [20:17]
ThickAsThieves bleh [20:17]
ozbot SecondMarket - Simplified Transactions for Private Companies and Funds. [20:17]
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asciilifeform mike_c: trololol [20:18]
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mike_c what? you disagree? [20:18]
jurov that does not look like something for retail [20:19]
mike_c it's not. $25k minimum. [20:19]
copumpkin well [20:21]
copumpkin and accredited investor [20:21]
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copumpkin which is uncommon [20:21]
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copumpkin also, those fees are ridiculous [20:21]
mike_c as opposed to gox's "we keep your bitcoin" fee :) [20:21]
copumpkin no, as opposed to buy your own coins and sit on them [20:22]
jurov ok, but we were talking about building exchange for 100k chumps [20:22]
copumpkin and pay no fees [20:22]
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copumpkin and also, lots of people have $25k who aren't accredited investors [20:22]
mike_c well, i guess i'm saying an exchange defined as "hft enabled" is not necessary. just a place to buy/sell. [20:22]
asciilifeform the other crap aside, a service where you do not get to take btc 'home' at the end of the day ought not to be called a btc exchange. [20:23]
asciilifeform call it something else. [20:23]
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mircea_popescu A bug in Google's Chrome web browser enables malicious websites to activate your microphone and spy on conversations that happen next to your computer, even after you've left the website. [20:23]
mircea_popescu o yeah, using a browser made by a search engine was such a brilliant idea. [20:24]
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asciilifeform lol [20:24]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: little bug closer to home: [20:24]
asciilifeform when using a machine with hardwired cameras/microcrophones/anal probes, always smile and speak very politely. [20:27]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform voievode, whats wrong with that ? [20:27]
mircea_popescu gotta allow at least some of the ingredients' flavour into the finished dish. [20:27]
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asciilifeform haha [20:27]
mircea_popescu mike_c there's always been (since inception) a set of people who believed it is thus exploitable. [20:27]
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mircea_popescu whether this is like the set who still believes the ufos have landed or moreover like the set that does government's banking is hard to say [20:28]
mike_c well, this guy just spent 50 btc looking. he hasn't found it yet :) [20:28]
asciilifeform btc can be sent to look for vulns on its own? that's news to me. [20:28]
asciilifeform had no idea. [20:28]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform actually that'd be duke, dux in the latin space. [20:28]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: exactly. [20:29]
asciilifeform perhaps btc also knows how to bake cakes. [20:29]
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mike_c spent. with a P. [20:29]
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asciilifeform it is very easy to spend MAXINT coin, dollars, walnuts, etc. with no result. [20:30]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves :D [20:30]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform you got some old/bad libraries. i have a reference running since 2011 that never crashed. [20:31]
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mircea_popescu lol @mike_c . head in sand eh ? [20:31]
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mike_c buried. [20:31]
asciilifeform this is a box devoted to running the 'current' branch. [20:32]
asciilifeform with updated libs, etc. [20:32]
mircea_popescu cads> or has it just fallen into second place << the "it may continue in 2nd place" was april 2013. [20:32]
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mircea_popescu or ten others. << ten are better than one. like phone numbers. [20:32]
kakobrekla as long as its over mininum [20:33]
mircea_popescu mike_c> (which they had) << this is arguyable. the thing run in the red for most of its lifetime, and in a dubious field. they always had trouble finding investors, and the investors they did find were mostly of the imbecile sort. if you want i can dig up the trilema discussion re investors and why they suck, but you'll end up with more shit to translate as a result. [20:34]
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mike_c it just doesn't take that much capital to scale to 100k. one good engineer is sufficient given the timeframe. [20:35]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i never heard of anyone running a current branch of anything that didn't crash. [20:35]
mircea_popescu what drakula'd do to the so called "programmers' doing this is left as an exercise to the current voievodes. [20:36]
midnightmagic mikaeldice mike_c mircea_popescu mius mixdio [20:36]
midnightmagic mikaeldice mike_c mircea_popescu mius mixdio [20:36]
mircea_popescu mike_c yeah, just like linux is sufficient for hijacking nuclear warheads in flight. [20:36]
asciilifeform imho gilged stake is too good for these folks. [20:36]
mircea_popescu maybe spiked stake. [20:37]
mircea_popescu [20:37]
asciilifeform by some accounts, spikes (well, splinters) were considered a mercy, and used in extenuating circumstances, while grease on a smooth stake was used in aggravating ones. [20:38]
asciilifeform (unfortunately lack the 'citation needed' here) [20:38]
mircea_popescu this is possibly true. [20:38]
asciilifeform i suggest 'teflon' for the case at hand. [20:38]
mircea_popescu while i slept i dreamt about these two womenz having an argument which ended by leaving the other tied to a tree in the wild somewhere with her rectum stretch-filled with fresh mud. [20:39]
asciilifeform bonus of easier cleaning [20:39]
mircea_popescu the reasoning being that the shit'll dry and that's that. [20:39]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if i recall, one of danzig baldaev's comics had this exact scene in it. [20:42]
mircea_popescu it did ? [20:43]
asciilifeform (he is often said to have spiced things up a bit. so take with a grain of salt.) [20:43]
mircea_popescu mebbe i should check out this thing then [20:43]
asciilifeform [20:43]
asciilifeform if anybody has a warez copy of the whole 130+ set, drop it here. [20:44]
mircea_popescu da fuck is lnms and isch btw ? google couldn't just put a ?t=pix or some shit like normal people. [20:44]
mircea_popescu o no. gotta be isch and derpyderp and etc. [20:44]
mircea_popescu o wait this is the camp guard that documented the tattoos is he ? [20:45]
asciilifeform not only tattoos [20:45]
asciilifeform a real hieronymous bosch, this fellow. [20:45]
mircea_popescu [20:45]
mircea_popescu look at that, the maddona-whore complex, in russian. [20:45]
asciilifeform SOP. [20:45]
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mircea_popescu this has got to be marginal, is it ? [20:46]
asciilifeform [20:47]
asciilifeform 'i am an english, french, american, japanese, italian, german, and some other kind of spy...' [20:47]
mircea_popescu heh. [20:48]
asciilifeform [20:48]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform re the women specifically, is that nonsense a mainstream representation afayk ? [20:48]
mircea_popescu seems to me more like an import. [20:48]
asciilifeform depends, 'mainstream' [20:48]
mircea_popescu myeah. [20:48]
asciilifeform 'the slaying by a convict of a 'bullock' during an escape from camp.' [20:48]
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asciilifeform 'convicts, during escapes from far nothern camps of gulag lured with them (due to the impossibility of gathering adequate provisions while imprisoned) other inmates, who would be killed en route. such victims of cannibalism were known in convict argot as 'bullocks.' how many 'bullocks' were eaten up, is unknown.' [20:49]
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mircea_popescu more interesting, how many troops of bullocks successfully took over the escape and ate the smartasses. [20:51]
asciilifeform never know who the bullock is until, well, bullock time [20:51]
mircea_popescu because without a 50-50 distribution cads mat has damned serious problems enacting his imagined polity into reality. [20:51]
mircea_popescu mat stands, of course, for may. rather than cunt. [20:51]
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mircea_popescu i wonder if the old "each table has a sucker or it wouldn't be a table. if you don't know who then well..." into a "each escape has its bullocks, and upon the eating of the first one you'll know whether you count with him by whether you're invited to dine." [20:53]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: found your dream's woman. (warning to folks with weak nerves - medieval/inquisitory!) [20:53]
mircea_popescu not so by an ymeans. [20:53]
mircea_popescu atm trying to discern if indeed the left side girl in the earlier pic is or only resembles. [20:54]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform what's the caption say ? my russian is too sucky. [20:58]
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asciilifeform which one? [21:00]
asciilifeform ant girl? [21:00]
mircea_popescu yeah [21:01]
asciilifeform 'some demented people in gulag during the years of the cult, for their amusement, would select women from the contigent of 'enemies of the people' and for 'some sin' sit them down upon anthills.' bottom: 'young women who refused to become lovers of their executioners in gulag would be sat upon anthills, tied to trees, 'for the mosquitoes and ants.' sometimes a pipe would be inserted, made from a reed or a birc [21:02]
asciilifeform h 'flute', a rolled up tube for the ease of entry of ants. to the legs would be tied a 'spreader stick.' often the executioners were helped by female 'vor' ['thief-in-law'] inmates.' [21:02]
asciilifeform baldaev got quite a lot of shit for these, many folks insisted that he simply drew his fantasies (during his employment as a prison guard) [21:03]
asciilifeform the compendium is now a best-seller. [21:04]
asciilifeform incl. in american bookstores. [21:04]
mircea_popescu oic [21:05]
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mircea_popescu many folks = the anthropologically challenged. [21:05]
asciilifeform some scenes are a little bit stretching historical credibility, like this slave ship loading: [21:06]
mircea_popescu врагов enemies rather than devils [21:06]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform actually, the allies used that principle in places during the dunkirk rescue. [21:07]
mircea_popescu wild times. [21:07]
asciilifeform caption notes that 'nets were eventually replaced with cages holding fifty men, due to high rates of trauma.' [21:07]
mircea_popescu when it's a case of "got five hours to get as many men on the boat as you can, and whoever's left gets to meet herr drakula"... trauma starts looking like cake. [21:10]
Apocalyptic for anyone interested the ATC ticker is up @ [21:11]
asciilifeform here, author is almost certainly satisfying his own desires: [21:11]
asciilifeform (i could translate caption but it's more or less self-explanatory) [21:12]
mircea_popescu Apocalyptic add some vwap stuff to it ? [21:12]
kakobrekla and vol [21:12]
Apocalyptic mircea_popescu, added on my todo list [21:12]
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asciilifeform rectomurine cryptoanalysis. [21:12]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform lol, momsoup ? [21:13]
mircea_popescu so why "almost certainly" ? [21:13]
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asciilifeform 'in one cellar...' '...tire pump, soldering iron, bottle, ... rat, bucket on hotplate.' [21:13]
mircea_popescu the objection being that such a diverse collection of items could not be found in the same one cellar ? [21:14]
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asciilifeform no serious objection on my part, just that the author has a reputation as a teller of embellished tales. [21:15]
asciilifeform a herodotus of sorts. [21:15]
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mircea_popescu but was this reputation been built by reddit or by vory. [21:17]
asciilifeform hard to say. plenty of folks wrote that 'i did time, saw no such things' [21:18]
asciilifeform as you might expect. [21:18]
mircea_popescu right. [21:18]
mircea_popescu many women could say "i've been around the block, there's no mp" [21:18]
mircea_popescu especially to their mothers. [21:18]
asciilifeform many arguments were against the 'political' slant of the book, rather than the facts. 'some english chick is sitting on a rat pot right now, but where's the book, hah.' [21:19]
mircea_popescu i doubt she is, tbh. [21:20]
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mircea_popescu the main problem of the west is impotence. [21:20]
mircea_popescu what was cat again ? thief ? [21:20]
asciilifeform recidivist. [21:20]
asciilifeform russian blogger, circa '04: 'have you ever beaten a man? had you done so, you would know that it is hard work. no less arduous than turning a meat-grinder. how often do you wake up to the urge to crank a meat-grinder? every day?' [21:21]
mircea_popescu "many english girls will have their cute recidivist tattoos fed to them should they ever end up in kresty [21:21]
punkman cat is thief, goat is snitch [21:21]
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mircea_popescu punkman there's some ethnic and geographic variation to it. [21:21]
asciilifeform historians divide the tats into two basic types, 'voluntary' and 'forcible.' [21:21]
punkman well yeah, you wouldn't tattoo snitch on your forehead [21:22]
asciilifeform ex. of the latter: a devil stoking a furnace (drawn around actual arse, it being the furnace) [21:22]
punkman heh [21:23]
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asciilifeform anyone interested in this subject can find all the reading material he wishes. [21:23]
punkman I got a couple books with tattoos, these russian books seem like a good addition [21:24]
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asciilifeform by some accounts, the old traditions have died, and the days when a man would be severely punished for an 'unearned' tattoo are gone. [21:25]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform re the meatgrinder thing ; it's well documented that people doing time get bored. [21:25]
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asciilifeform right [21:25]
mircea_popescu if you had the option of running on a stairmaster or turning the meat grinder, what'd you take ? [21:25]
mircea_popescu and incidentally : [21:26]
asciilifeform the man i quoted re: the meatgrinder was employed as a detective embedded in a prison, in what was then leningrad. he had an interesting take: much of what the rubes think of as 'the cruelty' was simply administration of justice among the convicts [21:27]
asciilifeform for real, as well as imagines, slights. [21:27]
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mircea_popescu this would be true. [21:27]
mircea_popescu as best one can discern anyway. [21:28]
asciilifeform the most mortal sin was, as one might expect, snitching, followed by welching on debts. [21:29]
mircea_popescu [21:29]
mircea_popescu i'd say that's the most improbable of the lot, actually. [21:29]
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asciilifeform how's that [21:29]
mircea_popescu completely contradicts all notions of ritual purity. they'd have cut his head outside and behind [21:29]
mircea_popescu (ie, not by the door, by the opposite wall) [21:30]
asciilifeform this one is actually plausible. may be taking place in a barrack belonging to 'lower order' convicts [21:30]
asciilifeform (that is, 'political' types) [21:30]
asciilifeform cleanup left for them. [21:30]
mircea_popescu or like that i guess. [21:30]
mircea_popescu tho the people look comfortable [21:30]
mircea_popescu ie, not like they're visiting. [21:30]
asciilifeform true. [21:31]
mircea_popescu it's little things like that that grate. otherwise arguing against the message... [21:31]
mircea_popescu hard tack. [21:31]
mircea_popescu < wtf is the fucking thinking here. [21:31]
mircea_popescu i'll show you i'm a convicted whore but hide my nipples and wear a slip! [21:31]
asciilifeform [21:32]
asciilifeform 'when we clean out his starfish, quickly he'll remember how he undermined soviet power and the party in his research institute with his cybernetics, this scoundrel...' [21:32]
mircea_popescu lol [21:33]
asciilifeform this one's pushing it a bit [21:33]
mircea_popescu i agree. [21:33]
asciilifeform not because of the red hot poker, either. [21:33]
mircea_popescu this seems more like prospective than descriptive [21:33]
mircea_popescu if i may be pardoned the pun [21:33]
asciilifeform incidentally, few modern armchair generals seem to know that the forbidden 'cybernetics' had nothing to do with the construction of calculating machines [21:34]
asciilifeform but rather the glass bead game pushed by half-educated fans of norbert wiener & co. at the time. [21:34]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform it COULD have had something to do with calculating machines [21:36]
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mircea_popescu or with breaking up the rain pattern [21:36]
mircea_popescu or with giving stalin colics. [21:36]
asciilifeform we may yet live to see boschean marvels like this one drawn about modern folks. [21:36]
asciilifeform and sold in 'history for kidz' sections of trendoid bookstores. [21:36]
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asciilifeform where i in fact saw baldaev. [21:37]
mircea_popescu sukas are modern, certainly. [21:37]
mircea_popescu when's your modernity start, last week ?! [21:37]
asciilifeform timeless. [21:38]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: but as you observed, the age of the impotent. whose doings perhaps will not make for good pictures. [21:38]
mircea_popescu impotence never lasts. [21:39]
mircea_popescu it's a self-limiting condition. [21:39]
mircea_popescu there's only so much occupy bs the girls can put up with before eviscerating the doofus troop with their bare hands. [21:40]
asciilifeform then, pictures. [21:42]
asciilifeform but not before. [21:42]
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mircea_popescu true, that. [21:42]
mircea_popescu i would guess your gb worth of footage is by and large worthless. curb your enthusiasm level. [21:43]
asciilifeform it certianly is. [21:43]
asciilifeform hence, not posted anywhere. [21:43]
mircea_popescu myeah. [21:43]
Mats_cd03 dongs [21:44]
mircea_popescu then again :《喜溢秋庭图》静贵妃部分.jpg [21:44]
mircea_popescu derpage abounds in history. [21:45]
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mircea_popescu and from the same period :《玫贵妃春贵人行乐图》.jpg [21:46]
mircea_popescu who the fuck would want two concubines dressed in exactly the same cut out of slightly different colored material but otherwise same textile, [21:46]
mircea_popescu with identical earrings outside of minor variations [21:47]
mircea_popescu and equally stupid hats. [21:47]
mircea_popescu clearly there's no cock involved in this entire thing at any juncture. [21:47]
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asciilifeform in an account of turkish concubines, a venetian envoy noted that cucumbers were served to them pre-sliced... [21:48]
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Mats_cd03 thats my fetish [21:48]
mircea_popescu well yeah... ? [21:48]
mircea_popescu i had lunch today, the salad had cucumbers, they were pre sliced [21:49]
asciilifeform well, noted specifically that they were permitted through the gate only upon slicing. [21:49]
mircea_popescu oh [21:50]
mircea_popescu do you suppose the concern was they may enjoy them through both ends of the digestive canal [21:50]
mircea_popescu or that they may contraband unapproved earrings in them, much to the anger and envy of all the other bored womenz ? [21:50]
asciilifeform presumably [21:50]
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mircea_popescu incidentally, how many people know of the war debt carusel in the context of the 1929 crisis ? [22:01]
mircea_popescu as in, all through the war the british were sucking captial out of the us, first in the form of cashing out their massive investments, then in the shape of borrowing. [22:01]
mircea_popescu this was being repaid after the war, principally from german reparations, which principally consisted of us loans to germany. [22:02]
mircea_popescu the entire thing ended in the 30s as perhaps the first major fiasco of the government-owned financial system. [22:02]
asciilifeform arse-mouth system. [22:02]
asciilifeform i though everybody knew. [22:02]
asciilifeform *thought [22:03]
mircea_popescu well, that's the problem with ww1, for the first time in history governments became a majority of the gdp, [22:03]
mircea_popescu basically the bolsheviks won anyway. [22:03]
mircea_popescu but anyway, we're talking 10 to 20 1930 bn dollars worth here. [22:03]
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mircea_popescu that'd be roughly 30 to 50 or so thousand tons of gold, at the time [22:05]
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asciilifeform ww1 zapped the wealth, the rest, funny bookkeeping to cover for it [22:06]
mircea_popescu i wonder if germany is/will be told "fu, we're keeping the gold cause ww1" [22:07]
asciilifeform (not like they could've brought it back) [22:07]
asciilifeform gold for safekeeping, haha [22:07]
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asciilifeform stalin, during famous party plenum, re: spanish civil war gold: [22:07]
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asciilifeform 'these fellows won't see it again like they won't see their ears [without mirror].] [22:07]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform romania sent about a billion trillion tons of gold and shit back when russia was run by the tsar (and close ally / relative of the romanian king) [22:11]
mircea_popescu quoty Kosighin "what gold ? we have never heard of such a gold" [22:11]
mircea_popescu quoth birladeanu "here's in the soviet archives lenin recorded speaking of it" [22:12]
mircea_popescu "o... hm.... uhhhh" [22:12]
mircea_popescu the next day "clearly, you misunderstood something" [22:12]
mircea_popescu "the whites took it" [22:12]
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mircea_popescu,8599,2023140,00.html < economic crisis starts sort-of just as germany is done paying its 1953-reinstated, ww1 bonds. [22:17]
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ozbot How Germany Ended Its World War I Reparations Payments - TIME [22:18]
mike_c more JD stats you are all dying to know: ROI on money invested last July and left alone since then: 14.5% [22:18]
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jurov lol and did you hear what italy just did? [22:18]
mircea_popescu jurov ayup. [22:18]
mircea_popescu mike_c whoa. [22:19]
kakobrekla is not bad [22:19]
jurov [22:19]
mircea_popescu that is actually the most suspicious thing from all you've dug up so far. [22:19]
mike_c hehe [22:19]
asciilifeform why not 100%. [22:19]
ozbot "Money Launderer Until Proven Innocent" - Italy Imposes 20% Tax Withholding On All Inbound Money Tra [22:19]
jurov but it needs better source, it's based only on google translate [22:19]
kakobrekla why is it suspect [22:19]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla because it matches other numbers [22:20]
asciilifeform what's the laffer curve for dekulakization anyway. [22:20]
kakobrekla ah you are trolling. [22:20]
mircea_popescu i r srs. [22:20]
mike_c that's an exclusive. nobody else haz that data [22:20]
davout greetings asseteers [22:20]
kakobrekla lol [22:20]
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mircea_popescu heya davoutee [22:21]
kakobrekla mike_c exclusive is what asseteers are about, we exclude. [22:21]
mike_c except we publish the logs. gotta fix that. [22:21]
kakobrekla myea [22:21]
mircea_popescu nah, gotta keep publishing the logs to be just like the paris club or w/e. [22:22]
kakobrekla fuck the logs, carpe diem, sieze the day, miss it, fuck you. [22:23]
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mircea_popescu In 1924, an American banker named Charles Dawes outlined what came to be known as the Dawes Plan — a new reparations agreement under which U.S. banks such as J.P. Morgan issued bonds to private investors on behalf of Germany, which agreed to pay them back when the money became due. Dawes won the 1925 Nobel Peace Prize for his work on this plan. But when the first batch of bonds came due in 1928, Germany again default [22:24]
mircea_popescu ed. So in June 1929, a new plan was enacted, floating more U.S.-backed bonds and reducing Germany's payments to $28 billion paid out over 59 years. [22:24]
r3wt How do i join the WOT [22:24]
mircea_popescu totally worth a nobel prize for going "hey guise, wouldn't it be better if we ipo that shit ???" [22:24]
r3wt for ATC [22:24]
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mircea_popescu r3wt hi there. [22:24]
mircea_popescu ;;help [22:24]
gribble The bot responds when you start a line with the ! character. A good starting point for exploring the bot is the !facts command. You can also visit the bot's website for a list of help topics and documentation: [22:24]
jurov [22:24]
ozbot Using bitcoin-otc - bitcoin-otc wiki [22:24]
jurov ^ r3wt [22:25]
mircea_popescu that prolly better. [22:25]
kakobrekla and if that is too much you can noob it out with ;;google bitcoin otc youtube [22:25]
kakobrekla or some shit [22:25]
r3wt jurov: thank you much my friend [22:25]
r3wt i was invited to join the WOT, i had never heard of it before now [22:26]
mircea_popescu gotta be in the wot. [22:26]
r3wt i was told to come here [22:26]
mircea_popescu which nobel prize story inspires me. shouldn't we have a yearly prize of some sort for some thing ? [22:26]
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kakobrekla you came to the right church. [22:26]
mircea_popescu the #bitcoin-assets economic prize of economy ? [22:27]
Apocalyptic r3wt, I hear some people are waiting 2 days, maybe even more for withdrawals from openex, what's wrong ? [22:27]
davout kakobrekla: mass is in french [22:27]
kakobrekla mircea_popescu i think you would have hard time finding the nominees [22:27]
asciilifeform if people want to hand out prizes for whatever, nothing's stopping them? [22:28]
r3wt Nothings wrong. i registered the llc and some of the staff didn't want to abide by the legal requirements and left. i've been afk, so withdrawals tend to pile up with no one to confirm them [22:28]
benkay 14.5% on jd investments eh? [22:28]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform kakobrekla no but hear me out : [22:28]
r3wt other than Dogecoin everything is good [22:28]
mircea_popescu we collect a pot by donation, whoever wants to contribute. then the pot is on a fixed date distributed to one recipient. [22:29]
mike_c benkay: yeah. not bad for 7 months. [22:29]
r3wt but i'm not saying its not my fault because it sort of all falls on me in the end [22:29]
mircea_popescu all we need is to agree on some gross criteria, then people construct a nominee list and all contributors vote on it [22:29]
mircea_popescu proportional to their contribution. [22:29]
mircea_popescu open source nobel prize. [22:29]
r3wt just try to understand where i'm coming from if you can [22:29]
mike_c wouldn't that recipient have already amassed quite a sum by doing whatever he won the prize for? [22:29]
mike_c we're not exactly acadmeics here [22:29]
mircea_popescu r3wt well being here works wonders to defuse such tension. [22:29]
mike_c hehe. academics [22:29]
mircea_popescu otherwise people get antsy [22:29]
midnightmagic mikaeldice mike_c mircea_popescu mius mixdio [22:29]
midnightmagic mikaeldice mike_c mircea_popescu mius mixdio [22:29]
mircea_popescu mike_c you say that like it's a bad thing. [22:30]
r3wt we do have something very cool in the works. i'm sure no one will see it coming either. [22:30]
mike_c i don't! point being that the prize would be dwarfed by the recipients already worthy rewards from winning in the marketplace. [22:30]
mod6 are you from openex, r3wt? [22:30]
r3wt mod6: yes sir [22:30]
mircea_popescu this is supposed to work so as to humble the nobel idiocy, not necessarily as to make the recipient rich. [22:30]
mod6 ahh ok. ima pm u. [22:30]
r3wt you can tell me why im here? [22:30]
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mircea_popescu after all, someone winning the nobel prize for actual merit is already independently well paid anyway. [22:31]
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mircea_popescu take obama, he's not rich because he melted down the peace gold medal, he's rich because he bleed dry a quarter billion idiots. [22:31]
mike_c and he writes good books [22:31]
mircea_popescu definitely. [22:31]
mircea_popescu i don't remember seeing such penmanship since britney spears bio [22:32]
mircea_popescu aptly titled "stakes" [22:32]
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Mats_cd03 merr [22:32]
mircea_popescu so looking in the deep of the deepest of your soul!! and such, what would be the criteria one'd actually meet you'd respect [22:32]
mircea_popescu for their economics contributions. [22:33]
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kakobrekla if anyone can vote to according to their btc deposit weight then we can end up with completely different game where mp always wins. [22:34]
mircea_popescu i wouldn't deposit so much as to fuck things up [22:34]
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kakobrekla how much is that much? [22:35]
mircea_popescu i dunno, i'm definitely supporting this but more like a matching thing. [22:35]
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mircea_popescu what's even reasonable ? less than a third i guess [22:35]
jurov what if someone makes 51% attack and takes the pot? [22:35]
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mircea_popescu i'll just deposit moar and fuck them ? [22:35]
kakobrekla that is what i was saying [22:35]
mircea_popescu i think it's defensible tbh. [22:36]
mircea_popescu suppose you have to be in our wot to contribute. [22:36]
mircea_popescu w don't want any random tard's calls and notions anyway. [22:36]
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kakobrekla given your confidence i could rob you of all your btc in that way if i gather > than you [22:37]
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mircea_popescu well obviously we can't let this run as a dollar auction. [22:38]
mircea_popescu it has to be a gentleman thing. [22:38]
mircea_popescu which is kind-of the point of it in the first place anyway. [22:39]
asciilifeform prize for what, again? [22:39]
kakobrekla ok can you give me 5 possible candidates for this ? i cant think of two. [22:39]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform "for outstanding contributions in the field of economics" [22:39]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla i dunno, nick szabo. [22:40]
Mats_cd03 lol... [22:40]
mircea_popescu just to pull out of my ass. [22:40]
mircea_popescu there's hundreds to pick from, and none of them EVER make it on the libertard-run nobel rolls [22:41]
asciilifeform is herr szabo in the wot? [22:41]
mircea_popescu because those are too busy giving the prize to retarded monkeys. [22:41]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the recipient wouldn't have to be in the wot, [22:41]
mircea_popescu the sponsors (ie, members of the academy) would have to be. [22:41]
asciilifeform you'd need an equally-reliable way to pin a public key on him [22:41]
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mircea_popescu he can post an address on his blog. [22:42]
asciilifeform ('do business with keys' formula) [22:42]
mircea_popescu ;;google nick szabo gpg fingerprint [22:42]
gribble Cryptome listings january 7, 2014 - SlideShare: ; Cryptout - Cryptome: ; Cryptome - Mirror: [22:42]
mircea_popescu i guess not. [22:43]
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midnightmagic mikaeldice mike_c mircea_popescu mius mixdio [22:44]
midnightmagic mikaeldice mike_c mircea_popescu mius mixdio [22:44]
mircea_popescu definitely herbi or mike_c could get one if they keep with their blogs. [22:44]
asciilifeform hundreds to pick from? [22:44]
mircea_popescu what's to keep them from it ? let the entire rest of the world learn what it has to do in the nwo. [22:44]
mircea_popescu drop all the rest, do this or perish. [22:44]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform defo. [22:44]
mike_c hehe. me and nick szabo. no contest, he hasn't done anything in years! [22:45]
mircea_popescu easy win right ? [22:45]
mircea_popescu plus you're buddy-buddy with the entire fucking academy. [22:45]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform there's that retard someone was recommending buying puts on the stock indexes for 10 years, showing like -5% on his hedge funds lol [22:45]
mircea_popescu i could see him on the nominees list. [22:45]
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asciilifeform so we're doing both 'ignobel' and nobel? [22:46]
mircea_popescu nono, just, i wouldn't vote for him [22:46]
mircea_popescu but i can see how someone'd recommend him. [22:46]
mircea_popescu gotta have disagreement and scream at each other to end up with a good prize. [22:46]
mircea_popescu im just trying to export my boardroom into your lives over here. i tell you, it works! [22:46]
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asciilifeform if we do it with some fancy multi-keyed crypto widget, it'll double as a tontine... [22:47]
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mircea_popescu may be a good idea, tho i fear automated trust systems may be hijacked in the way kakobrekla describes. [22:48]
mircea_popescu a mechanical turk you can have, an automated gentleman you can't have. [22:48]
asciilifeform truly. [22:49]
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mircea_popescu so srsly, no trolling, try and come up with a broad criteria. like a sentence or something, a paragraph. [22:49]
asciilifeform and then we do physics, chemistry... ? [22:50]
mircea_popescu cads herbi and whoever else this goes for you too, even if you're poor. [22:50]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform maybe. i mean... you know, do whatever we want to do. [22:50]
mircea_popescu that's why godoshi has given us the concept of altcoins. [22:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1497 @ 0.00021499 = 0.3218 BTC [+] {2} [22:51]
mircea_popescu if ppls wanna do physics too we do physics too. with a focus on rocketry or w/e interests us. [22:51]
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mircea_popescu the fact remains that whatever interests us is what matters in the world henceforth, and whatever interests whoever else, seven billion anon rats, is not worth a cigarette butt. [22:51]
benkay i nominate portland state aerospace society for their open source rocketry work [22:53]
mircea_popescu o hai. [22:53]
mircea_popescu if nothing else we'll at least get to find out about shit everyone else thought we knew about (tm) [22:53]
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mircea_popescu such as for instance right now. [22:53]
benkay [22:54]
benkay built a roll control unit, doing cool stuff with imus and measurements [22:55]
ozbot LV2.3 October 2010 IMU Data - YouTube [22:55]
benkay rocket is a hilarious hog [22:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24900 @ 0.00087567 = 21.8042 BTC [+] {2} [22:55]
mircea_popescu lol [22:55]
benkay basically built by ee's as a flight platform for their electronics [22:56]
benkay but its got some sweet mechanics too, you'll note that the fins spin independently of the rocket body [22:56]
benkay we reverse engineered that from other rockets controlled with canards [22:56]
mircea_popescu not bad [22:57]
mircea_popescu a you're part of it ? [22:57]
benkay cut, hardened and packed our own bearings [22:57]
benkay was at one point [22:57]
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benkay it's a "student group" mostly made up of area professionals [22:57]
benkay big fucking bearings too [22:58]
benkay like [22:58]
benkay 6" id if i recall correctly? [22:58]
mircea_popescu wait on a rocket for fin control ?! [22:58]
benkay it prevents control inversion [22:58]
mircea_popescu how much do 6" hardened steel bearings weigh ?! [22:58]
benkay tiny small control surfaces at the top [22:58]
benkay har not a consideration for this hog [22:58]
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benkay and the bearings themselves are actually pretty small - they're just races attached to the frame [22:59]
benkay anyways, it's required because you have these tiny little control surfaces that swivel around up at the top of the body [23:00]
mircea_popescu aha [23:00]
benkay they induce airflow in a helix around the body, which when it impacts the giant stablization foils at the bottom [23:00]
mircea_popescu unrelatedly, it occurs to me that bitcoin makes th ebest fucking prizes you can give : [23:01]
benkay on the first run this lead to an inversion of control, and eventually just crazy roll rates [23:01]
mircea_popescu the longer you go w/o spending it, the more your prize turns out to be. [23:01]
benkay then we decoupled the fins from exerting torque on the rocket body [23:01]
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benkay problem solved [23:01]
benkay now the fins spin, and the rocket goes straight! [23:01]
mircea_popescu pretty cool idea. [23:01]
benkay at which point i was sucked off the rocket team and into the quadrotor team [23:02]
benkay carbon fiber airframe design! [23:02]
mircea_popescu 3d printer rocket battery. [23:02]
benkay i designed a regen motor for printing [23:03]
mircea_popescu now that's a fucking nightmare. [23:03]
benkay too scared to ever test it [23:03]
benkay but ah hang on [23:03]
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benkay ha yes [23:05]
benkay [23:05]
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benkay this gentleman chose gox/propane [23:05]
benkay not your best ISP, but definitely your best bet on fuel choices that aren't lethal without millions of USD in support staff and infrastructure. [23:05]
benkay defo my mistake in designing my regen motor: going for Isp and not testability. [23:06]
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mircea_popescu you mean Isp ? impulse ? [23:06]
benkay specific impulse, yes [23:07]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07378 = 0.2213 BTC [+] [23:07]
mircea_popescu yeah that'd be a strategic mistake. [23:07]
mircea_popescu you need management :D [23:07]
benkay i have learned this [23:07]
benkay i now have some [23:07]
mircea_popescu mazel tov [23:07]
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r3wt gribble;; [23:10]
r3wt ;;gribble [23:10]
gribble yes I am gribble. why do you keep bothering me? [23:10]
r3wt ;;gribble register [23:11]
gribble yes I am gribble. why do you keep bothering me? [23:11]
mircea_popescu ;;register [23:11]
gribble (register ) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key with . is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a random passphrase to clearsign with your key, and submit to the bot with the 'verify' command. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes. [23:11]
r3wt ;;register [23:12]
gribble (register ) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key with . is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a random passphrase to clearsign with your key, and submit to the bot with the 'verify' command. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes. [23:12]
pankkake [23:12]
ozbot bitcoin-otc wiki [23:12]
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r3wt hey gribble i want to register but don't want to use GPG [23:13]
pankkake r3wt: [23:14]
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pankkake wow this is awesome [23:16]
ozbot GPG Identity Protocol - bitcoin-otc wiki [23:16]
punkman pankkake: related, [23:17]
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mircea_popescu pankkake it is. [23:17]
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pankkake punkman: well the idea is interesting, but seems to rely on their website. also node.js :( [23:18]
mircea_popescu yeah, the idea is not interesting. [23:18]
pankkake meanwhile namecoin actually allows you to do this: [23:18]
mircea_popescu "let us inject our stupid website spuriously" is not much of an ide.a [23:19]
punkman pankkake: I don't like that part either [23:19]
punkman but we can fix that [23:19]
mircea_popescu punkman you running it ? [23:19]
punkman I have nothing to do with it [23:20]
mircea_popescu a ok [23:20]
pankkake anyway, this gpg identity thing allows me to do what I've always wanted to do, a secure way to link profile together [23:20]
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TomServo ✓ signed by maria [23:21]
TomServo ha [23:21]
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r3wt ;;bcregister r3wt 1337xmR8JRzwKonFgd17dhVo9NHQiP7875 [23:21]
gribble Request successful for user r3wt, hostmask r3wt!add82c3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:ce803449b5f0c7085754f6594074cab76dcd45e0e6f813b45c5d79f9 [23:21]
pankkake nice address [23:21]
mircea_popescu not bad. [23:21]
mircea_popescu r3wt another thing you may consider is registering with nickserv. if your name is important to you. [23:22]
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r3wt ;;bcregister HIshZU1IeW5WrBqteNtqDEHN1P9cbAgcjUQLv5QAfx7retsTPh6tVjQC3LL4UOE0th2/PP/4xPM9eoR5Mf1c2lA= [23:22]
gribble (bcregister ) -- Register your identity, associating bitcoin address key with . should be a standard-type bitcoin address, starting with 1. You will be given a random passphrase to sign with your address key, and submit to the bot with the 'bcverify' command. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes. [23:22]
r3wt ;;bcverify HIshZU1IeW5WrBqteNtqDEHN1P9cbAgcjUQLv5QAfx7retsTPh6tVjQC3LL4UOE0th2/PP/4xPM9eoR5Mf1c2lA= [23:22]
gribble Registration successful. You are now authenticated for user 'r3wt' with address 1337xmR8JRzwKonFgd17dhVo9NHQiP7875 [23:22]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 65 @ 0.0055 = 0.3575 BTC [23:23]
r3wt ok, it says registration successful. so i'm in? [23:23]
mircea_popescu yup [23:23]
r3wt hmm, i think i forgot the irc commands [23:24]
r3wt ./msg NICKSERV IDENT [23:24]
r3wt right? [23:24]
davout pankkake: the address is not really impressive, having the firstbits would be [23:24]
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mircea_popescu something like that. [23:24]
TomServo r3wt: register and then ident, iirc [23:24]
r3wt in my dreams [23:24]
davout r3wt: isn't it /msg nickserv identify [23:24]
r3wt i'm already ident though [23:24]
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mircea_popescu davout when did firstbits become a thing ? [23:25]
r3wt says i'm already logged in as r3wt [23:25]
r3wt they've always been a thing for superfags [23:25]
mircea_popescu i can't see how it's anything but a stupid idea. [23:25]
mircea_popescu perhaps a benign novelty of no use at the best. [23:25]
davout they're like vanity plates [23:26]
davout not useful, but nice gadgets [23:26]
WillTablet TomServo: how's that working for you? [23:26]
WillTablet (Mining altcoins) [23:26]
TomServo WillTablet: it was a paste from the page [23:26]
r3wt i'm in the WOT now yes? [23:27]
mircea_popescu TomServo is that the maria ? [23:27]
mircea_popescu r3wt yes. [23:27]
TomServo mircea_popescu: Yep [23:28]
mod6 weird, no keyid or fp though? [23:28]
mircea_popescu seems apropriate. [23:28]
mircea_popescu [23:28]
r3wt what is the WOT exactly? some type of bitcoin cult? [23:28]
jurov hahahahaha [23:28]
ozbot #bitcoin-otc gpg key data [23:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00087636 = 8.0625 BTC [+] {2} [23:28]
jurov ;;gettrust r3wt [23:28]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask r3wt!add82c3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Trust relationship from user jurov to user r3wt: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: never [23:28]
jurov r3wt ask your users to rate you [23:29]
mircea_popescu r3wt pretty much, yes. [23:29]
r3wt so i just say, go rate my otc profile? [23:29]
mike_c hmm, better process withdrawals first [23:29]
Apocalyptic ^ [23:29]
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r3wt already done. [23:29]
mircea_popescu r3wt < there, it's explained. [23:29]
mircea_popescu its a tool to allow you (and us) to evaluate the credibility of agents. [23:30]
jurov and maybe some day someone whom i trust will rate you too, so i'll know we can do business [23:30]
r3wt only one withdrawals sitting on the books, and it can't be processed yet. waiting on doge. [23:30]
jurov or not [23:30]
r3wt there is no trust in business. only money and contracts [23:31]
mircea_popescu yes. this would be the contracts part. [23:31]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.07105642 = 1.4211 BTC [-] {7} [23:33]
r3wt jurov: you should never trust me in the first place. [23:33]
Apocalyptic r3wt, i know of at least 3 different people waiting on withdrawals [23:33]
jurov r3wt to put *coins into your thing some rudimentary trust is necessary [23:33]
r3wt Apocalyptic: are they foreighn? alot of times foreign people put their username or wrong addresses on withdrawals and they just bounce back into their account [23:34]
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jurov lmao you don't log when someone inputs malformed address? [23:34]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 19 @ 0.095 = 1.805 BTC [-] {2} [23:34]
skinnkavaj vc [23:34]
punkman damn foreigners! [23:34]
Apocalyptic heh [23:35]
davout some trust is also required for business, at least that the other the party will hold up to their part [23:36]
r3wt @jurov: yes its logged, but only from the queue. if people wanna be clowns then they can pay the price [23:36]
r3wt for whatever reason, i haven't been able to get validate address to work correctly. [23:36]
r3wt maybe its just php, i'm not sure. hopefully it works better in LUA [23:36]
mircea_popescu you mean the checksum ? [23:37]
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davout r3wt: you have trouble validating bitcoin addresses? [23:37]
jurov i think now i know everything i need about you [23:37]
mircea_popescu ? [23:37]
ozbot javascript address validation? 0.2 BTC bounty (bounty paid) [23:37]
mircea_popescu people apparently paid 0.2 btc bounties in may 2011. [23:38]
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mod6 r3wt: thanks for sending. all is good now! [23:39]
r3wt no prob [23:39]
r3wt @dav, yeah probably something i overlooked. when i print the returned info its fine,b ut when i try to use if($row["isvalid"]) === "false") it fails [23:40]
r3wt so probably something i just need to go back to the drawing board on, but i'm not really interested in working on the php version anymore. there is literally no point in doing so [23:41]
r3wt anything i change now will be temporary [23:41]
davout r3wt: i know nothing of your code, but aren't you trying to test strict equality with a string when the value is a boolean? [23:41]
mircea_popescu seems like it [23:41]
mircea_popescu try == [23:41]
r3wt i tried == to i believe. [23:42]
davout why not if($row["isvalid"]) [23:42]
davout if it's a boolean that should be enough [23:42]
mircea_popescu you mean ! ? [23:42]
r3wt because it will return the trow anyway? [23:42]
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r3wt when you rpc call it returns an array [23:42]
mircea_popescu r3wt is this thing you're using documented anywhere ? [23:42]
davout r3wt: using bitcoind right? [23:43]
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mircea_popescu bitcoind in php ? [23:43]
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davout mircea_popescu: why not? [23:43]
mircea_popescu uh [23:43]
davout just tried it, it returns a bool [23:44]
mircea_popescu no reason i guess. [23:44]
kakobrekla its not "false" but false [23:44]
davout so drop the whole equality test and i assume it should work [23:44]
mircea_popescu with a ! [23:44]
r3wt [23:44]
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davout mircea_popescu: oh yes [23:44]
ozbot [PHP] function isValidAddress($idtw,$address) { $wallet = new Wallet($idtw); - [23:44]
r3wt no, we wrote custom wallet wrapper/object with modified bitcoinrpcphp [23:44]
mircea_popescu they see me sayin', they ignorin'. [23:44]
davout r3wt: so your wrapper converts a nice boolean into a cumbersome string? [23:45]
davout mircea_popescu: lol [23:45]
benkay i love the javascript "no, really: are these things equal or not?" === [23:45]
benkay javascript: equality?!?! [23:45]
pankkake php has the same [23:45]
r3wt lol, no you seem to misunderstand [23:46]
davout if everyone misunderstands i guess it cancels everyone out [23:46]
r3wt [23:46]
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r3wt the files are out of date, but thats basically the class/wrapper [23:47]
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davout r3wt: looks to me like the JSON is simply parsed so you should end up with a bool from validateaddress, no. [23:47]
davout ? [23:47]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2300 @ 0.00021497 = 0.4944 BTC [-] {3} [23:48]
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mike_c so you don't all think JD is just crapping money: ROI from july -> november = 0% all the gains have been since then. [23:48]
r3wt no it just returns the array. [23:48]
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r3wt as far as i'm aware. [23:48]
r3wt you could be right and i'm just a dumbass overcomplicating things. i'll try your way and see. [23:49]
benkay pankkake: the same craaaaaazy equality operations? [23:49]
pankkake yeah, really horrible behaviors [23:49]
davout r3wt: if it parses the json it returns a hash, or a dictionary, whatever you call it in PHP, with the "isvalid" key pointing to a bool [23:49]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0951 = 0.951 BTC [+] [23:50]
davout r3wt: test it out i guess [23:50]
kakobrekla >if($row["isvalid"]) === "false") [23:50]
kakobrekla "false" is not a bool [23:50]
kakobrekla did ya fix dat noobery [23:50]
mike_c which noobery? using php? [23:50]
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kakobrekla he pasted that line here [23:51]
mike_c sorry, just had to get a php crack in there [23:51]
davout dear god, please let this not degenerate into a language fight [23:51]
davout :) [23:51]
mod6 flame flame [23:51]
mike_c i held my tongue for like a whole page [23:51]
davout OH FUCK IT, IT'S ON [23:51]
mike_c rabble rabble PYTHON rabble rabble [23:51]
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r3wt you can have your jabs now. in a few weeks you will have a mouth of crow [23:52]
benkay now now [23:52]
benkay make something useful out of php and nobody bats an eye [23:52]
r3wt HINT HINT: We rewrote the exchange in something special [23:52]
kakobrekla yeah but you got the crow now [23:52]
davout r3wt: in lisp? [23:52]
benkay Lua you said? [23:53]
Apocalyptic can't wait [23:53]
r3wt yep LUA [23:53]
jcpham rabble rabble [23:53]
Apocalyptic does LUA have the === operator ? [23:53]
r3wt actually not even lua really, just some home brewery with lua [23:53]
benkay no seriously, is it equal? [23:53]
r3wt just use ~= [23:53]
Apocalyptic just wondering [23:53]
r3wt != [23:53]
r3wt so in lua its [23:53]
davout Apocalyptic: maybe it has the NOT_EXACTLY_SURE_WHAT_I_M_DOING operator [23:53]
r3wt ~= [23:53]
mike_c and the ever famous !== [23:53]
r3wt lol [23:54]
davout =~ is actually awesome [23:54]
jurov don't forget <> [23:54]
mircea_popescu import languages. [23:54]
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davout lol [23:54]
kakobrekla benkay php is like real world, some are more equal than others. [23:54]
Apocalyptic r3wt, you should rewrite it in bitcoin script [23:54]
davout kakobrekla: lmao [23:54]
Apocalyptic now that would be a challenge [23:54]
* r3wt was challenged just learning php [23:54]
pankkake =~ is for using regular expressions? [23:55]
mircea_popescu i like the >=< operator. [23:55]
mircea_popescu kinda covers everything [23:55]
davout pankkake: yeah, checks for regexp match [23:55]
mircea_popescu which kind ? [23:55]
davout mircea_popescu: the infamous "figure-it-out-yourself" operator [23:55]
pankkake and I suppose you can use it for replacements too. that's one of the things I miss in Python, direct regexp access [23:55]
mircea_popescu uh python does not have regexp ?! [23:56]
davout pankkake: i don't think you can [23:56]
jcpham MPEX FAQ #42: Figure it out yourself. [23:56]
r3wt ah, now i see what i did wrong. i'm asking if a function is a boolean when it already returns one [23:56]
pankkake mircea_popescu: it does. but it's just a module, there's no quick access operator [23:56]
mike_c re.sub("php", "bugridden") [23:56]
davout r3wt: yeah, pretty much what i was yelling at you :-) [23:56]
r3wt nope, still didn't fix it [23:57]
kakobrekla no he is aksing if a fuction is a string "false" [23:57]
Apocalyptic *if a function returns [23:57]
kakobrekla ye [23:57]
kakobrekla lets broke it [23:57]
r3wt i was asking if a string in an array was false within the original function, then i was asking if the function was a boolean [23:58]
r3wt so get it right [23:58]
r3wt was the string false** [23:58]
mircea_popescu ah, now i see what i did wrong. i'm asking if a function is a boolean when it already returns one << pretty good this. [23:58]
kakobrekla double false. [23:58]
Apocalyptic mircea_popescu, indeed [23:58]
kakobrekla i guess that makes it true [23:59]
mircea_popescu r3wt so i guess now you have the answer : wot is the church of bitcoin miracles. [23:59]
mircea_popescu it fixes your code. [23:59]
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davout "if($row["isvalid"]) === "false")" <<< array, where? [23:59]
r3wt mircea_popescu: if anything its a good place to learn [23:59]
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