Forum logs for 16 Nov 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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mircea_popescu	punkbot status	[00:00]
punkbot	mircea_popescu: No pending deeds \| Last bundle 1 hour and 9 minutes ago	[00:00]
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mircea_popescu	so anyone know this Khalahan Henkh fellow ?	[00:03]
sdffsd	Mircea, I can't access mpex.co, what's going on?	[00:03]
assbot	http://arrakis.cs.washington.edu	[00:04]
assbot	Arrakis \| The Operating System is the Control Plane	[00:04]
mircea_popescu	$proxies	[00:04]
empyex	mircea_popescu: Proxies: mpex.biz mpex.co mpex.bz mpex.coinbr.com mpex.ws Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91	[00:05]
mircea_popescu	sdffsd nothing ?	[00:05]
mircea_popescu	anyway, if you have trouble with websites use the irc bots.	[00:06]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2013/the-many-ways-available-for-talking-to-mpex/	[00:06]
assbot	The many ways available for talking to MPEx pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[00:06]
empyex	mircea_popescu: MPEx-Status: mpex.biz (116 milliseconds), mpex.bz (131 milliseconds), mpex.ws (350 milliseconds), mpex.coinbr.com (1681 milliseconds), mpex.co (error)	[00:07]
empyex	mircea_popescu: Health-Indicators: Homepage: √ MK Depth JSON: √ VWAP JSON: √	[00:07]
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mircea_popescu	awww	[00:08]
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mircea_popescu	lol fucking idiot,	[00:55]
mircea_popescu	::later tell sdffsd nobody ever told you tor is not actually safe ? lol.	[00:57]
kakobrekla	accidentally found another bitcoin web hosting http://bitcoinwebhosting.net	[00:58]
assbot	Bitcoin Dedicated Servers, DDoS Protection, Anonymous VPS	[00:58]
mircea_popescu	who;s running it ?	[00:58]
kakobrekla	1712 Pioneer Avenue Ste 1774	[00:58]
kakobrekla	Cheyenne, Wyoming 82001	[00:58]
kakobrekla	;;gettrust 1712 Pioneer Avenue Ste 1774	[00:59]
gribble	(gettrust [] ) -- Get trust paths for , starting from . If is not supplied, your own nick is used as the source. See http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/OTC_Rating_System#Notes_about_gettrust	[00:59]
kakobrekla	as i suspected	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	https://blog.torproject.org/blog/thoughts-and-concerns-about-operation-onymous	[01:06]
assbot	Thoughts and Concerns about Operation Onymous \| The Tor Blog	[01:06]
mircea_popescu	"Recently it was announced that a coalition of government agencies took control of many Tor hidden services. We were as surprised as most of you."	[01:06]
mircea_popescu	what the next line should be ? "we suck, and we're stepping down. sorry we couldn't do what we wanted to."	[01:06]
mircea_popescu	what the next line actually is ? " Unfortunately, we have very little information about how this was accomplished, but we do have some thoughts which we want to share."	[01:06]
mircea_popescu	something fundamentally broken with these people's heads.	[01:06]
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mircea_popescu	what do they instead claim ? "Bitcoin deanonymization"	[01:09]
mircea_popescu	yeah, that's right. USG pseudo-secrecy agency used to fuck up idiots stupid enough to trust it now claims "it was bitcoin"	[01:09]
mircea_popescu	im sure it was, heh.	[01:09]
punkman	hah https://github.com/mapmeld/profanity65#profanity65	[01:10]
assbot	mapmeld/profanity65 · GitHub	[01:10]
mircea_popescu	"Your comment has been queued for moderation by site administrators and will be published after approval."	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	im sure it will be.	[01:11]
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undata	punkman: that's incredible	[01:13]
undata	of note, "nsa-hugging"	[01:13]
undata	yes	[01:13]
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mircea_popescu	sooo, buenos aires had this gay pride parade today.	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	they closed off a major street downtown (rivadavia) and put a scene up and everything in front of the cogress building	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile, the parade consisted of like... i dunno, five people ? six ?	[01:25]
mircea_popescu	i doubt total participation was 100 heads.	[01:25]
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jurov	interesting, last year they report over 100 thousand ppl	[01:35]
mircea_popescu	i saw it with own eyes, about one guy every three minutes or something	[01:37]
mircea_popescu	maybe it's early.	[01:38]
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jurov	aparently it was almost banned	[01:38]
mircea_popescu	i dunno how banned it'd be if the city closed down a major street for it.	[01:38]
jurov	looks like not really banned only asked a fee for the security	[01:40]
jurov	and there is something about public indecent conduct	[01:40]
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jurov	En ese fallo se responsabilizo por delitos comunes exclusivamente a la Comunidad Homosexual Argentina (CHA) y se la condenó a pagar $450.000.- por un delito ocurrido en la vereda de la plaza donde se realizaba un acto.	[01:41]
mircea_popescu	CHA lol. teh buttfuck foundation! it's a thing.	[01:43]
mircea_popescu	anyway, they have very right-wing ideas about dispensing justice here.	[01:44]
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mircea_popescu	http://ctrlq.org/files/screenshots/6a630eefd44705f3ead4d3e81658fa9b.png <<< apparently they managed to lose some data	[01:56]
assbot	Digital Inspiration	[01:56]
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BingoBoingo	Smell the onion http://pando.com/2014/11/14/tor-smear/	[02:02]
assbot	How leading Tor developers and advocates tried to smear me after I reported their US Government ties \| PandoDaily	[02:02]
mircea_popescu	interesting. now that's qntrable.	[02:04]
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BingoBoingo	https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/533772800516161536	[02:12]
assbot	This onion, it smells! http://t.co/OWgxjuDF1F /hashtag/tor?src=hash /ioerror	[02:12]
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mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/the-lulz-of-today-ddos-attacks-ransom-notes-tor-anonimity-and-other-faits-darmes-of-the-retarded-generation/	[02:29]
assbot	The lulz of today : DDoS attacks, ransom notes, Tor anonimity and other faits d’armes of the retarded generation pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[02:29]
mircea_popescu	oddly related, BingoBoingo	[02:29]
mircea_popescu	"You'll find the core developers are detached and very different to their users. As a developer of software myself I would find it disheartening if the bulk of my users were jerks like /r/bitcoin."	[02:39]
mircea_popescu	look at that, lol.	[02:39]
mircea_popescu	it's visible from something awful!	[02:40]
BingoBoingo	Yeah. Honestly at this point I just don't see many "Bitcoin Developers" actually being very attached to Bitcoin. The "Gavin wants to quit, but doesn't want to say so" hypothesis.	[02:44]
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mircea_popescu	well, gavin wants to quit but he can't.	[02:45]
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mircea_popescu	the "satoshi costume" is just a start, he'll wear a dead deer if it comes to it.	[02:45]
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BingoBoingo	No shortage of those around here. Can't go for a drive of anylength without spotting venison on the roadside.	[02:47]
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mircea_popescu	there's some super-paleo people who eat roadkill	[02:50]
BingoBoingo	Sure. I mean the fresh one's are probably safe, but possessing one without a tag for it... Probably safer to drive around with a trunk full of cocaine.	[02:53]
BingoBoingo	In terms of the legal implications.	[02:53]
BingoBoingo	"Conservation Police" here get to do warrantless searches.	[02:54]
mircea_popescu	o rly ?	[02:54]
mircea_popescu	prison 4 lyf for eating roadkill ?	[02:55]
BingoBoingo	yeah. Conservation police find the cocaine... fruit of the poisonous tree, though probably still having problems.	[02:55]
BingoBoingo	Not for life, but problems. The require for deer the same tag per deer required for hunting them.	[02:55]
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mircea_popescu	and why does anyone care what they "require" ?	[02:55]
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BingoBoingo	Only so many roads with enought traffic for reliable roadkill. The 5-0 has to take the roads too. The time it takes to drag the deer into a safe tarp and wad it up so the car's interior doesn't look like the scene of a homicide...	[02:57]
mircea_popescu	no dude, not like that. for all the "knife subctulture" or we it is, people spending more money and time with knives than they're worth...	[02:58]
mircea_popescu	just keep camping gear in the back, skin and cook the thing on the spot.	[02:58]
mircea_popescu	call friends to bring beer	[02:59]
mircea_popescu	get out before evening	[02:59]
BingoBoingo	Aha.	[02:59]
cazalla	http://qntra.net/2014/11/coinbase-rumoured-to-raise-50-million-bezzlars-down-from-150-million-bezzlars/	[03:00]
assbot	Coinbase Rumoured To Raise $50 Million Bezzlars, Down From $150 Million Bezzlars \| Qntra.net	[03:00]
mircea_popescu	awwww	[03:00]
BingoBoingo	I'm considering this problem in terms of where the deer are is, is on the side of the "main regional thoroughfare" normally. Because undeveloped colony.	[03:00]
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BingoBoingo	Two lane road steady flow of cars. most hours	[03:01]
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mircea_popescu	incidentally, am i the only one that finds it just a little amusing that torproject.org actively promotes the use of pdfs to encapsulate information that otherwise should be in a textfile or simple post ?	[03:02]
BingoBoingo	ie. on one end of the "highway" is the seat of county X, on the other end the seat of county Y	[03:02]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: You'd probably be the only one in some other channel.	[03:02]
mircea_popescu	i guess so.	[03:02]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo so basically not practical to just pull off road or what ?	[03:03]
BingoBoingo	You jsut don't have a great window ever to do it quietly under cover.	[03:03]
BingoBoingo	Consider this stretch of road https://www.google.com/maps/vt/data=U4aSnIyhBFNIJ3A8fCzUmaVIwyWq6RtIfB4QKiGq_w,LR8A3wsCX4O7WF8-Cb8aigY6iTF1FIBrcYw-yVrSAavWXtZ5NfG6OeE9qFNtVdMDhkNnFpmhOfI2PU3QsUWW8TFXwtA8KEdiXYSgqm9znAZCKo6cBIrHDLz430KxyNObA--GQCnxFjo-vjNVDgvuK_qdZQ,oiRvm6TLtMPKeIbqUE9FRzURnfIRIDWBlGt2jTM-5OK0ssLA8uXFkOjq-5VkzSBz6sarVJ1YPhc0bZhwS56IZ8L_31klCsxLt-sUUr-27DWv1-qczcsFi27rvooqO8cwvhenztfmuYMKZgzEXsdEB_ZtKlfUoFLgNZuvqX3J3t	[03:04]
BingoBoingo	T-cHnyGuZg5bcKBN5AKZQGikn4UXWSael2cfWuu8GPZMT8qTuiE--sgR0IMGZMZhEMZJLy_F7b1V52hgFCijS5ioQbrvA7j3MDZZadhYolJmG8nKy5o6FTGJTwogtdmRCZVw&h=200&w=555&scale=1	[03:04]
assbot	Error 400 (Bad Request)!!1	[03:04]
BingoBoingo	http://dpaste.com/2DR6XPG << Fucking textbining a url	[03:05]
assbot	dpaste: 2DR6XPG	[03:05]
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mircea_popescu	because google.	[03:05]
thestringpuller	;;seen cazalla	[03:07]
gribble	cazalla was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 minutes and 48 seconds ago: http://qntra.net/2014/11/coinbase-rumoured-to-raise-50-million-bezzlars-down-from-150-million-bezzlars/	[03:07]
cazalla	i'm here, what's up thestringpuller	[03:07]
thestringpuller	sorry not at a pc. cant read logs.	[03:07]
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BingoBoingo	https://twitter.com/Salondotcom/status/533758402934345728 << More with the shirt from people who went from serious talk of prison rape to articles on how fat people get made fun of maor.	[03:12]
assbot	Hey, misogynists: The shirts that scientists wear is just as important as sending spacecrafts to comets	[03:12]
BingoBoingo	!up devthedev	[03:12]
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mircea_popescu	lmao	[03:13]
mircea_popescu	is that like a parody ?	[03:13]
BingoBoingo	I think it is actually whatever derp runs Salon's twitter Saturday nights	[03:14]
mircea_popescu	i suppose im the only one bothered by the ebonics coming out of salondotcom ?	[03:15]
mircea_popescu	or is the us so poor these days that a plurality of shirts is verbally inconceivable ?	[03:15]
BingoBoingo	I think it's the hint of ebonics coming to dominate the USian pidgin	[03:17]
mircea_popescu	just like they decided a decade ago to randomly use she instead of the canonical pronoun,	[03:20]
mircea_popescu	now they're going to randomly put is instead of are and so forth ?	[03:20]
mircea_popescu	dun wanna be too cultumancated, lest anyone can tell the orcs apart from the elves ?	[03:21]
BingoBoingo	I don't see much other in the way of explanations unless the literate are embargoing them.	[03:21]
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BingoBoingo	lulz at the reddit writeup on Thermos https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2mei83/for_the_amount_of_money_that_theymos_is_paying/	[03:25]
assbot	For the amount of money that Theymos is paying for new forum software, we could run a bitcoin commercial during the Super Bowl. : Bitcoin	[03:25]
mircea_popescu	"Gavin Andresen's salary as the full time lead developer of the entire bitcoin protocol is $209k a year."	[03:26]
mircea_popescu	lol	[03:26]
mircea_popescu	if there ever was proof positive that crime doesn't pay, gavin's income is it.	[03:27]
mircea_popescu	he could probably make more begging where he lives, and being a professional beggar would actually be much more respectable and honorable than being bitcoin's 5th column.	[03:28]
BingoBoingo	At that income level Gavin's basically in the trap doctors find themsevles when they realize they hate draining abcesses, but their only other prospect is long haul trucking.	[03:29]
BingoBoingo	Except doctors can count on the MRSA spider always targeting junkies, while Gavin is at the whims of Vessennes burn rate http://www.gomerblog.com/2014/11/mrsa-2/	[03:31]
assbot	Devious MRSA Spider Bites Yet Another Antecubital Fossa; Remains at Large \| GomerBlog	[03:31]
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PeterL	mircea_popescu: fixed the blog site	[03:31]
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mircea_popescu	a cool	[03:44]
mircea_popescu	PeterL so what about scoopbot uptime ? what keeps taking it down ?	[03:44]
PeterL	well, it was not set up to reconnect if it lost the connection	[03:45]
PeterL	I have been working on adding threading to monitor the connection	[03:45]
PeterL	but I have never done anything quite like this, so I am learning as I go	[03:46]
mircea_popescu	but do you know how it dies ? anything in the logs ?	[03:46]
PeterL	I am still not sure why it is dying	[03:47]
mircea_popescu	are you running it on a linux box ?	[03:47]
PeterL	yes	[03:47]
mircea_popescu	until myserver; do echo "Server 'myserver' crashed with exit code $?. Respawning.." >&2 sleep 1 done ?	[03:48]
mircea_popescu	then look in stderr see what codes pop up	[03:49]
mircea_popescu	you can just grep for "crashed with exit code" or w/e	[03:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1298 @ 0.001195 = 1.5511 BTC [-] {3}	[03:49]
mircea_popescu	speaking of which : another thing systemv does badly : it tries to restart stuff based on pidfiles.	[03:51]
undata	what are the irc bots around these parts based upon?	[03:53]
mircea_popescu	generally supybot	[03:53]
undata	shameless friend plug: https://github.com/kyleterry/tenyks	[03:53]
assbot	kyleterry/tenyks · GitHub	[03:53]
undata	that thing's pretty good, used in another channel	[03:54]
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mircea_popescu	what is it, go ?	[03:54]
mircea_popescu	there was also a ruby one but i dont recall right off what.	[03:54]
undata	mircea_popescu: yeah, the core is written in go, then services in whathaveyou	[03:54]
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RagnarDanneskjol	that tenyks is very nicely done	[03:57]
undata	RagnarDanneskjol: I'm sure he'll enjoy hearing that.	[03:58]
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decimation	if gavin is a pauper than I'm in the poor house	[04:02]
BingoBoingo	decimation: No, they feed, clothe, and work you at the poor house. Also curfews and such.	[04:02]
decimation	I wonder how many commits he has to make per week to keep his salary	[04:03]
decimation	can he take a few months off like ascii dreams?	[04:03]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: it's not a bad theory in any sense. got any policy proposals based on it ? << beyond 'open a physical empire where we can all defect to and die like men in the janissary corps' - no useful idea.	[04:27]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: not from my puny brain.	[04:28]
decimation	https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2014/11/14/russian-state-television-shares-fake-images-of-mh17-being-attacked/?PageSpeed=noscript	[04:30]
assbot	bellingcat - Russian State Television Shares Fake Images of MH17 Being Attacked	[04:30]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: however, ben himself wants a tower of hydrocarbons. and if he gets it, he'll want something else. << actually, afaik what he was speaking for is my escape rocket metaphor.	[04:30]
undata	asciilifeform: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zone_for_Employment_and_Economic_Development_%28Honduras%29 ??	[04:30]
assbot	Zone for Employment and Economic Development (Honduras) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[04:30]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: the discussion was not about 'enough money', but about the distinct and clearly identifiable phase transition where your time becomes 100% your own	[04:30]
ben_vulpes	https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/wedged-blockchains/237902.tar.gz.00 , https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/wedged-blockchains/237902.tar.gz.01 for those looking to wedge a blockchain of their own	[04:30]
asciilifeform	e.g. 'taleb mode'	[04:31]
decimation	asciilifeform: maybe you can get a job at the 'bitcoin foundation' for $209k	[04:31]
asciilifeform	or, alternatively, in the other direction of spectrum, perelman mode.	[04:31]
asciilifeform	decimation: or city dogcatcher, lol	[04:31]
decimation	ah thanks ben	[04:31]
decimation	asciilifeform: actually many cops make near $200k with overtime	[04:31]
asciilifeform	decimation: but they have to work.	[04:31]
asciilifeform	as in, physically go places and do things	[04:32]
decimation	well, 'work'	[04:32]
decimation	true	[04:32]
asciilifeform	decimation: i don't think anyone here has trouble getting money by working.	[04:32]
decimation	if you watch 'the wire' one would believe that a possible option would be to sit in your car on the highway and get drunk	[04:32]
asciilifeform	if you watch the right televised strange, one could believe that one possible option for space flight is to light one's farts.	[04:33]
decimation	heh	[04:33]
ben_vulpes	decimation: i'm inching up on 252450, will post more as i gin them up	[04:33]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: i suspect that there is nothing magic about that block	[04:33]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: but simply happens to be when my box exhausted ram from leakage and began to fandango on the db.	[04:34]
decimation	asciilifeform: yeah if it is a memory stop it is probably hardware specific	[04:34]
asciilifeform	decimation: wasn't a memory stop as such	[04:34]
decimation	ben_vulpes: what platform are you working on?	[04:34]
ben_vulpes	debian 6	[04:34]
asciilifeform	decimation: but at one point exhausted ram, but blockchain remained wedged upon restart	[04:34]
BingoBoingo	decimation: i don't think anyone here has trouble getting money by working. << I was not able to secure seasonal retail work again this year. I suspect I'm already on a list to "have problems"	[04:34]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo is trying to retain some dignity (has not yet fallen into programming, for example)	[04:35]
undata	bah, sling php, get dollars	[04:35]
undata	better than folding shirts	[04:35]
decimation	I had a lawyer friend who used to be a prosecutor near asciilifeform. He was told not to frequent the local fast food joints because of the poulation of ex-convicts	[04:36]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i do not exactly believe b-a is intended for the workaday people. << do elaborate. should all of us but you & kako pack up? or some other thing implied	[04:36]
BingoBoingo	I think I've mentioned here before that after grad school I worked at McDonalds for ~6 weeks to break local kids spirits.	[04:36]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: i'd love to confirm that for you	[04:37]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: how did you resist the army?	[04:37]
decimation	right, and in a related point - if $209k per year makes one a pauper, how much is the real bitcoin foundation going to pay?	[04:37]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Too neurologically interesting to enlist.	[04:37]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: i do not exactly believe b-a is intended for the workaday people. << do elaborate. should all of us but you & kako pack up? or some other thing implied << I believe for the rest #b-a is Frankenstein's attic laboratory	[04:38]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: when working as an r&d contractor grunt, i met plenty of folks in uniform happily 'flying the mahogany bomber'	[04:38]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: they mostly had uni degrees though	[04:38]
decimation	asciilifeform: me too. if cards are played right, most mil can write their own tickets in contract jobs	[04:38]
decimation	also military benefits are incredibly generous considering the level of education of most enlisted	[04:39]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: My brain caught fire a bit too early. When medical records came up post ASVAB offers of pick your field turned into, "trust us, we'll find a nice place for you"	[04:41]
asciilifeform	arrakis os << yet another 'c' microkernel os. snore. snore...	[04:41]
asciilifeform	when will the academics finally starve.	[04:41]
BingoBoingo	In agriculture department academics never starve.	[04:41]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: what was the offered place? ball turret gunner?	[04:41]
decimation	lol	[04:42]
decimation	I think the last of those were phased out in the 60's	[04:42]
*	asciilifeform behind the times	[04:42]
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BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Post asvab pre-medical write up offers involved language school or medical/technical fields, after when "trust us" I began suspecting "cooks assistant" and latrine crew	[04:43]
asciilifeform	language school or medical/technical fields << what were you hoping to become instead ?	[04:44]
decimation	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-52_Stratofortress << ' removal of the tail gun in 1991' wow later than I thought	[04:44]
assbot	Boeing B-52 Stratofortress - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[04:45]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: I probably would have signed for those. But... shift in tenor came when time to draft actual contract.	[04:45]
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decimation	BingoBoingo: did they make you take the mmpi?	[04:47]
decimation	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Multiphasic_Personality_Inventory	[04:47]
assbot	Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[04:47]
BingoBoingo	decimation: I don't remember that one specifically, but... pretty sure bring a folder of medical records is a part of what did in my chances for interesting stuff. Amazing what a trip to the wrong part of the hospital can do for your prospects	[04:49]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[04:49]
undata	BingoBoingo: do the wrong drugs as a kid?	[04:50]
asciilifeform	can he take a few months off like ascii dreams << when did i ever say 'few months'	[04:50]
asciilifeform	'few months' is about as useful as 'few thousand usd'	[04:50]
asciilifeform	which is to say, not really at all.	[04:50]
undata	BingoBoingo: not an insult; I've heard horror stories of kids tripping, getting hauled into the psych ward	[04:50]
BingoBoingo	undata: Nah. Some people's brains don't self regulate well. Maybe it's genetic, maybe it was West Nile.	[04:51]
undata	ah, that'll do it too	[04:52]
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BingoBoingo	I got my school bezzel so probably actually netted more value in the end.	[04:52]
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undata	when I was younger a doctor put me on an antipsychotic for a bit due to "depression"	[04:53]
undata	a second doctor bothered with blood work and I was merely low on a few vitamins	[04:53]
undata	american medicine is a scam	[04:53]
decimation	asciilifeform: you would like to be more like maxwell?	[04:54]
BingoBoingo	I'm not a big fan of antipsychotics, make me feel like Micheal J Fox. Anticonvulsants though, particularly lamotrigine... do my brain well	[04:54]
asciilifeform	decimation: the example i usually offer is n. taleb	[04:55]
asciilifeform	decimation: because he is familiar to the folks here	[04:55]
undata	BingoBoingo: yeah, if things like diet and exercise don't help, there are always actual neurological issues to consider	[04:55]
decimation	yeah. actually the first one that came to my mind was Don Colacho	[04:55]
undata	hard to trust diagnoses with a pfizer clock on the wall	[04:55]
BingoBoingo	undata: Well, I tend towards generics. Recently though ETOH has been the anticonvulsant of choice.	[04:56]
decimation	http://don-colacho.blogspot.com/2011/03/2921.html	[04:57]
assbot	Don Colacho’s Aphorisms: #2,921	[04:57]
BingoBoingo	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploding_head_syndrome << most interesting event I've had with regularity. Not interested in Clomipramine at all though because I like getting boners.	[04:58]
assbot	Exploding head syndrome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[04:58]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: gentoo << complicated. the lead dev surrendered to microshit (literally) some years ago, and it's been run by a skeleton crew ever since, with numerous high-profile catastrophes (of the 'your machine is suddenly rendered unusable by a perfectly innocent-looking action' variety) -- but there is -no- adequate replacement to this day.	[04:59]
undata	asciilifeform: hm, hasn't been my experience	[05:00]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: to some extend it exactly mirrors the bitcoind situation - in that every serious user more or less has his own private fork.	[05:00]
undata	anecdotally speaking	[05:00]
asciilifeform	undata probably updates his box	[05:00]
undata	ah, that I agree with, but that's part of the beauty	[05:00]
undata	maybe not for everyone for the same reason	[05:00]
decimation	asciilifeform: I thought mr. robbins quit and started his own gentoo fork?	[05:00]
decimation	http://www.funtoo.org/Welcome	[05:00]
assbot	Funtoo	[05:00]
BingoBoingo	Ah, funtoo, the bring your own kernel adventure	[05:01]
*	asciilifeform never tried 'funtoo', cannot speak for it	[05:01]
decimation	http://www.funtoo.org/Funtoo_Linux_FAQ << "Part of the distinctiveness of Funtoo Linux is its dependency-based OpenRC init system, so changing this would make it something other than Funtoo Linux. So we do not support systemd as part of Funtoo Linux. "	[05:02]
assbot	Funtoo Linux FAQ - Funtoo	[05:02]
undata	I can attest to gentoo granting you the right to blow your hand off at every step	[05:02]
undata	but also to a well-tuned gentoo install feeling a lot like a well-tuned emacs	[05:02]
asciilifeform	undata: i still haven't forgiven the xorg thing	[05:02]
undata	"ah, this is precisely what I wanted"	[05:02]
asciilifeform	well yes.	[05:02]
asciilifeform	this is why folks use it.	[05:02]
decimation	asciilifeform: you mean the move from x11 to xorg?	[05:02]
asciilifeform	but the cost, for people who did not spend the last decade with it, is high.	[05:03]
decimation	running gentoo certainly gives you a motvation to scale down the lines of code in your system	[05:03]
decimation	I remember running with KDE 10 years ago and dreading the 24 hour compiles	[05:03]
asciilifeform	lol kde	[05:03]
decimation	kde used to not be a steaming turdpile	[05:04]
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*	asciilifeform regards all mousy wm as turd	[05:04]
*	BingoBoingo remeber running it of FreeBSD at work in 2004	[05:04]
undata	with a relatively modern machine the compile time isn't so bad	[05:04]
decimation	but instead of being the 'adult' alternative to gnome, kde surrendered to idiocy	[05:04]
ben_vulpes	gentoo quest	[05:04]
undata	and you get to make decisions like turning on stack protector and whatnot	[05:04]
BingoBoingo	decimation: Well, the KDE problem is they went from desktop environment to software development club in the bad way	[05:05]
decimation	yeah. I remember using slackware 3 on my old 486, and barely getting X to run - and also wondering what its point would be	[05:06]
asciilifeform	incidentally, try this today.	[05:06]
asciilifeform	you'll get nowhere.	[05:06]
decimation	asciilifeform: you mean making aggressive compiler optimizations?	[05:06]
asciilifeform	i know of no setup where it is possible to set up even a very decent 486 in such a way that it can be used for serious work today.	[05:06]
asciilifeform	tried it personally, and put in a good effort, a year or so ago	[05:06]
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decimation	yeah. I was able to get plenty to run back in in the mid 90's	[05:07]
asciilifeform	the main culprit is the www crud	[05:07]
asciilifeform	as recently as 2004, you could.	[05:07]
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BingoBoingo	!up devthedev	[05:07]
asciilifeform	a recent openbsd (what i eventually settled on for that machine) consumes virtually the whole 64m.	[05:07]
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decimation	asciilifeform: did you have 'compuserve' back in the day?	[05:07]
asciilifeform	nope	[05:07]
asciilifeform	not 'aol' either	[05:07]
asciilifeform	never even saw them alive.	[05:07]
undata	decimation: ah I had that	[05:07]
asciilifeform	bbs-en - yes	[05:08]
undata	I vaguely remember gopher sites as a young kid	[05:08]
decimation	compuserve was kind of a giant bbs	[05:08]
asciilifeform	yes, but for money.	[05:08]
asciilifeform	and with lamers	[05:08]
*	BingoBoingo remember AOL for the copious coaster they mailed	[05:08]
decimation	yeah there were free forums as I recal	[05:08]
devthedev	I wasn't even alive during the days of CompuServe	[05:08]
asciilifeform	i liked the aol floppy disks.	[05:08]
asciilifeform	although they were shoddy	[05:08]
decimation	BingoBoingo: I had a friend who would call aol every day for a new 'demo floppy'	[05:08]
decimation	he accumulated a pile	[05:09]
decimation	later they switched to cds	[05:09]
asciilifeform	i still have 'doom' on a stack of aol floppies somewhere.	[05:09]
BingoBoingo	Oh, we never got their attention until the CD era	[05:09]
decimation	back in my youth I actually ran a tcp/ip node on an 8086	[05:09]
BingoBoingo	Though CD's make for poor coasters in practice	[05:09]
decimation	it was connected to a radio modem and managed to pass tcp to other ham radio operators	[05:10]
decimation	ran this >> http://www.ka9q.net/code/ka9qnos/	[05:10]
asciilifeform	my point earlier was that code bloat is ubiquitous and pestilential and finally made the old hardware unusable with software of even moderately distant (starting '05 or so) vintage.	[05:10]
BingoBoingo	They distribute moisture too evenly over the surface so that it manages to still contact the tabletop	[05:10]
decimation	I bet you could still run 'lynx' on a 486	[05:11]
asciilifeform	'lynx' - yes.	[05:11]
asciilifeform	and that's more or less it.	[05:11]
decimation	the question is - what have we 'bought' for all this bloatware?	[05:12]
*	asciilifeform regular user of 'lynx', perhaps one of ten left...	[05:12]
BingoBoingo	This is reminiscent of how Mac OS 9 is less viable on the Internet than OS 7.5.1	[05:12]
decimation	I recall using netscape 1.0 and the user experience was pretty much the same as firefox 30	[05:12]
asciilifeform	aha.	[05:12]
decimation	asciilifeform: I use elinks occasionally	[05:13]
asciilifeform	in most ways - better. because less retardation in the payloads.	[05:13]
decimation	right, no javascript, just html and pictures	[05:13]
BingoBoingo	The problem with Mac OS 8 and later is that it tempts with the fatally broken.	[05:13]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: i know of no serious difference between 7.5 and 8	[05:13]
decimation	BingoBoingo: my experience with macs pre OSX were all macos 8 and 9 - and they both sucked ass	[05:13]
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decimation	at least with the shitware I was running, they would regularly crash	[05:14]
decimation	and take down the whole machine	[05:14]
asciilifeform	aha, 'cooperative multitasking'	[05:14]
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decimation	heh yeah exactly	[05:14]
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asciilifeform	(9 was to have memory protection, but the brass over-ruled it)	[05:14]
decimation	one wonders what would have happened if apple actually went down the lisp machine route	[05:14]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: While 8 could be forced onto Pre-RISC macs, the result is, and I emphasize IS, never pretty.	[05:14]
BingoBoingo	"Apple" never had a chance at that.	[05:15]
*	asciilifeform is not particularly in love with the 68k	[05:15]
decimation	I remember having to program a 68k variant microcontroller in school, wasn't too bad	[05:15]
BingoBoingo	It was on the Ti-89 I had and the computer I acquired in the same window of time. My affinity is probably mostly through familiarity	[05:16]
decimation	68hc12 as I recall	[05:16]
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asciilifeform	profanity65 << pure genius.	[05:18]
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decimation	lol	[05:19]
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*	BingoBoingo suspects there are more similarities between http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=400548341 and Bitcoin than many might suspect.	[05:22]
assbot	Missouri Tigers vs. Texas A&M Aggies - Box Score - November 15, 2014 - ESPN	[05:22]
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asciilifeform	unfortunately BingoBoingo may be the only man alive who can see this similarity	[05:22]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: I consider it the privledge of being neurologically deviant	[05:23]
BingoBoingo	The cost of waking up occasionally with a bout of exploding head is an acceptable cost.	[05:23]
decimation	BingoBoingo: is that 'painful'?	[05:23]
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BingoBoingo	decimation: Not "painful" as in pain pain. More like having a strong electrical current between your temple and ear while your legs cramp in a way that might need ice in the morning. More discomfort than pain proper.	[05:25]
decimation	that sounds unpleasant, for sure	[05:26]
BingoBoingo	Eh, you get used to it. After about the 5th time when you get rather sure you aren't dying it's not hard to just go back the fuck to sleep by waiting it out.	[05:28]
asciilifeform	if $209k per year makes one a pauper << consider applying my ad hoc formula: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-10-2014#869923	[05:28]
assbot	Logged on 13-10-2014 01:35:27; asciilifeform: rephrase, if you like, as 'unit of discretionary income per unit of lost free time.'	[05:28]
asciilifeform	^ this, afaik, covers all edge cases	[05:28]
asciilifeform	for example, gavin, a paid shill, has no free time (he is not his own man)	[05:29]
asciilifeform	a mental patient, likewise	[05:29]
asciilifeform	implied divisions by zero - intentional.	[05:29]
BingoBoingo	unfortunately BingoBoingo may be the only man alive who can see this similarity << So the most superficial similarity is the media narrative. A&M is perenial legit title contender while MIZ accidentallied the SEC east championship last year and accidentally is in the lead to win it again this year.	[05:31]
decimation	asciilifeform: do you think gavin works 40 hours per week on the git repo?	[05:31]
asciilifeform	^ may as well be in chinese	[05:31]
asciilifeform	(BingoBoingo)	[05:31]
asciilifeform	decimation: that was not the point	[05:32]
asciilifeform	decimation: but that he is not actually free to, for example, do a 'decent' bitcoind	[05:32]
asciilifeform	handler - would not approve.	[05:32]
asciilifeform	his pay is in fact contingent not only on 'playing ball' but continued usefulness to handler	[05:32]
asciilifeform	which is not guaranteed	[05:32]
decimation	well, the bigger point - do we really think his 'foundation' is going to last that long anyway?	[05:33]
decimation	so while he might be able to skate for a few years, later he's a pauper in retirement living on government cheese	[05:33]
asciilifeform	if it were to implode, the shills will be placed into similar roles elsewhere	[05:33]
asciilifeform	assuming they have not fallen into official disfavour by then.	[05:33]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: So there's a media narrative when team A is having a horrible year that supposed they were good enough to win if only the competition wasn't so strong. But the narrative for Team B is that they are so miserable and wouldn't be winning if only their competition wasn't so weak. And then teams A and B finally meet and in the game B actually maintains a position of superiority.	[05:34]
decimation	at any rate, I get you point, but you realize that the number of folks who are 'free' by your definition are probably less than a few thousand in the us	[05:34]
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asciilifeform	decimation: possibly even fewer.	[05:34]
asciilifeform	although how could i possibly know.	[05:34]
BingoBoingo	And in the course of writing that Mizzou leads Texas Ass&Mouth 34-20 now because they scored another touchdown.	[05:35]
decimation	certainly the inflationary currency, the confiscatory taxation, and the expense of home and bread combine to make this lifestyle nearly impossible in the us	[05:35]
asciilifeform	decimation: however, there is perhaps a million people in usa who, if they were to suffer some form of 'brain parasite', could easily jump the border and live this way on the capital they could smuggle out.	[05:37]
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decimation	yeah that's probably true	[05:38]
asciilifeform	the capital controls being slowly worked in, are mainly to guard against this.	[05:38]
decimation	a portion of them are doing exactly that every year	[05:38]
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BingoBoingo	https://twitter.com/JoseCanseco/status/533406823152226305	[05:44]
assbot	My finger should have been amputated from the beginning. It was very loose with no bone to connect it.it was also smelling really bad.	[05:44]
BingoBoingo	And twitter censored the picture of the actual necrotic finger	[05:45]
asciilifeform	did i miss something? how did we get to gangrene ?	[05:46]
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asciilifeform	or was this something to do with the sportsmen	[05:46]
ben_vulpes	non sequitur by my read	[05:46]
asciilifeform	ah	[05:47]
decimation	asciilifeform: I found some amusing info: https://antipolygraph.org/blog/2014/11/15/doug-williams-indicted-for-teaching-how-to-pass-a-polygraph-test/	[05:47]
assbot	Doug Williams Indicted for Teaching How to Pass a Polygraph Test \| AntiPolygraph.org News	[05:47]
asciilifeform	aha that was in here earlier i think	[05:47]
asciilifeform	and indictment was on 'cryptome' last night.	[05:47]
asciilifeform	peculiarly corrupted fax scan, too	[05:47]
asciilifeform	much snow.	[05:48]
decimation	apparently the detail there is that all of the 'evidence' was collected by undercover cops	[05:48]
asciilifeform	as different from virtually everywhere else?	[05:48]
decimation	so basically they are going to try to convict this guy for training people pretending to be people who take usg's pseudoscience seriously	[05:49]
decimation	This lead me to this guy http://www.c-span.org/video/?200264-1/book-discussion-true-believer	[05:49]
assbot	Book Discussion True Believer \| Video \| C-SPAN.org	[05:49]
asciilifeform	he's being zapped for 'lèse-majesté'.	[05:49]
asciilifeform	big fat surprise.	[05:49]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: He was the sportsman in the 1990's shot his finger off a few weeks ago. Reattached. "Modern Medicine" has problems.	[05:50]
decimation	"ONE THING YOU MIGHT HAVE NOTICED THROUGHOUT THIS WHOLE THING I MENTIONED AT LEAST TWICE, THAT ANA PASSED OUR POLYGRAPH EXAMINATION 1994 THAT DID NOT DETER ME OR FBI FROM PURSUING THIS. WE KNEW SHE PASSED THAT EXAM, SO WHAT?"	[05:51]
decimation	"WHEN I WAS ACTIVELY DISCOURAGING HER FROM TAKING ANOTHER EXAMPLE QUOTE FRANKLY I WAS AFRAID THAT SHE WOULD PASS IT AGAIN. THAT WOULD NOT HELP ME OUT OF IT. "	[05:51]
asciilifeform	they preferentially target the retarded for prosecution, big news.	[05:51]
decimation	so an actual usg spycatcher actually caught found that the polygraph actually hindered his investigation	[05:52]
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decimation	asciilifeform: it would be more honest if usg made its agents walk on coals and swear secret loyalty to the civil service - it would be much more honest and straighforward	[05:53]
asciilifeform	decimation: aha but the 'scientific' flavour.	[05:55]
asciilifeform	see also: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-07-2014#772419	[05:55]
assbot	Logged on 27-07-2014 17:35:40; asciilifeform: the one common anthropological thread i see here is that most governments insist on some 'national' symbolic meaning in their chosen means of execution. e.g., the french guillotine across all five 'republics'	[05:55]
asciilifeform	(different thread, similar concept)	[05:55]
decimation	asciilifeform: there was another interesting story on that site: https://antipolygraph.org/blog/2014/10/15/federal-polygraph-school-gave-countermeasure-information-to-polygraph-company/	[05:57]
assbot	Federal Polygraph School Gave Countermeasure Information to Polygraph Company \| AntiPolygraph.org News	[05:57]
decimation	apparently usg agents are zealously evangelizing their 'secret' polygraph faith around the world	[05:57]
asciilifeform	incidentall,y	[05:57]
asciilifeform	http://imgur.com/lpIrYSr	[05:57]
assbot	'Grass' Model 79 D - Imgur	[05:57]
asciilifeform	^ saw this alive in a university surplus shop last week.	[05:58]
asciilifeform	apparently they are common as dirt	[05:58]
asciilifeform	and nobody wants the crud - computerized eeg is pocket-sized	[05:58]
asciilifeform	this is a standard usg 'lie detector.'	[05:58]
asciilifeform	iirc it was going for fiddybucks or so.	[05:58]
asciilifeform	complete with chart printer.	[05:58]
decimation	lol that would be amusing as a party trick	[05:58]
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asciilifeform	someone who wants to make a spy drama film, will buy it.	[05:59]
asciilifeform	for any other purpose, quite useless.	[05:59]
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decimation	asciilifeform: you could probably get grant money from usg if you were a scamademic	[06:00]
asciilifeform	the physical workmanship of the knobs, etc. - was superb.	[06:00]
asciilifeform	decimation: i was drummed out of scamademia many years ago.	[06:00]
decimation	yeah that's all 'mil-spec' hardware, with the 'round' connectors	[06:00]
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asciilifeform	superbly machined aluminum, brass knobs.	[06:01]
asciilifeform	very satisfying 'click', too	[06:01]
asciilifeform	i suspect the theatrical aspects demanded this.	[06:01]
decimation	you should have bought it for the rotary switches	[06:01]
asciilifeform	vita brevis.	[06:01]
decimation	yeah only someone attending to 'serious business' would have a setup like that	[06:01]
decimation	imagine the mind of the 'interviewee': surely usg wouldn't spend bezzlars on those fine knobs if this wasn't serious business	[06:02]
asciilifeform	this is perhaps the 3rd time i see one of these for sale, too	[06:02]
asciilifeform	(in person, not even counting 'ebay')	[06:02]
asciilifeform	there seems to be an inexhaustible supply of them around here.	[06:02]
decimation	do you have a favorite 'junk dealer' in the dc area?	[06:03]
asciilifeform	a number of them.	[06:03]
decimation	I know that there are many scavengers who survive on reselling usg surplus	[06:03]
asciilifeform	yes.	[06:03]
decimation	related: " The revolutionary does not discover the “authentic spirit of the revolution” except before the revolutionary tribunal that condemns him." http://don-colacho.blogspot.com/2010/08/1665.html	[06:04]
assbot	Don Colacho’s Aphorisms: #1,665	[06:04]
asciilifeform	if you come across one, know that usg mandates disk sanitation pre-surplus, but no such law is enforced on contractors...	[06:04]
decimation	asciilifeform: I think it depends if there was anything 'secret' on the drive - in that case it probably must be destroyed	[06:05]
asciilifeform	statutorily - yes	[06:05]
decimation	but for that reason most contractors are reluctant to 'donate' their hardware in such a way	[06:05]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform action like what ?	[06:05]
asciilifeform	like installing updated video board driver	[06:06]
asciilifeform	(if re: gentoo)	[06:06]
mircea_popescu	but i mean... rendered unusalbe as in you can't get a terminal on your monitor	[06:06]
asciilifeform	as in, can't get x	[06:06]
mircea_popescu	not as in, well the hdd's wiped and the bios randomly rewired	[06:06]
mircea_popescu	right	[06:06]
mircea_popescu	that's endemic with x.	[06:06]
asciilifeform	it's pestilentially endemic with any tall dependency stack.	[06:07]
asciilifeform	knock out brick from bottom - all falls.	[06:07]
decimation	the pile of chairs gets mighty fragile	[06:07]
undata	set proper VIDEO_CARDS, emerge -avuDN @world, config kernel, reboot	[06:08]
mircea_popescu	anyway, i suppose the "so ssh then" only works for people who youi knw, actually own multiple computers	[06:08]
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mircea_popescu	ie, 1% of the 8bn	[06:08]
asciilifeform	that was decade ago	[06:08]
decimation	or 'use serial port'	[06:08]
asciilifeform	now, anyone with access to a skip owns arbitrarily many	[06:08]
mircea_popescu	lol	[06:08]
asciilifeform	but if you think keeping one gentoo box around is work, try five.	[06:08]
mircea_popescu	anyway, what i said was, to noobs looking at linux	[06:09]
undata	I don't do any more work administrating mine than debian.	[06:09]
mircea_popescu	i guess ubuntu 10.04 could be the alternative.	[06:09]
asciilifeform	at any rate, no box i ever owned was rendered entirely unbootable by a braindamaged gentoo	[06:09]
asciilifeform	one can always get a text tty	[06:09]
mircea_popescu	problem is, yoyu get them on ubuntu, next you know they think it's windows and update	[06:09]
mircea_popescu	next you know they ARE on windows.	[06:09]
asciilifeform	although destroying sole means of network connectivity and ending up snaking a ppp link across room, is good times	[06:09]
decimation	purists avoid 'vga' console for serial term	[06:09]
asciilifeform	vga for serial, wat	[06:10]
asciilifeform	probably meant 'text mode' tty ?	[06:10]
asciilifeform	as in, the one normal people see on boot	[06:10]
decimation	no I mean no video card, serial tty only	[06:11]
decimation	some bioses support this	[06:11]
asciilifeform	aha	[06:11]
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asciilifeform	well, you only need bios support to access the bios menu this way	[06:11]
decimation	true.	[06:11]
asciilifeform	otherwise any reasonably-civilized os will do	[06:11]
decimation	the vga console code on linux still sucks after all these years	[06:11]
decimation	many folks trying to get low latency ditch it	[06:11]
asciilifeform	i and probably everyone else here has owned plenty of boxes with no video output hardware at all.	[06:11]
undata	asciilifeform: I'm surprised you don't like gentoo, given you tend to advocate actually knowing what your computer's doing, and why	[06:12]
asciilifeform	i use gentoo exclusively.	[06:12]
undata	asciilifeform: ah! then you have every right to hate it.	[06:12]
asciilifeform	or, almost exclusively (got a few bsd boxen around)	[06:12]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: as in, physically go places and do things << dunkin donuts ?	[06:12]
decimation	I might try 'funtoo' if he is serious about no systemd	[06:12]
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mircea_popescu	im bashing that exchange lol	[06:13]
mircea_popescu	"o, then you have every right to hate it" lmao	[06:13]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: even if the work of a policeman consisted solely in going to a doughnut shop and eating a kg of garbage every day, so long as he -must- -- that is still work.	[06:13]
asciilifeform	as in, arbeit macht frei.	[06:13]
mircea_popescu	yes yes, i know whatcha mean.	[06:13]
asciilifeform	i was unaware that gentoo was on 'hate radar' for folks who aren't using it	[06:14]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: decimation: but at one point exhausted ram, but blockchain remained wedged upon restart <<< speaking of this, there's an option to close with detached bdb	[06:14]
mircea_popescu	this is useful if you keep stopping every x blocks, backuping bdb files	[06:15]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes ^	[06:15]
decimation	mircea_popescu: you mean running bdb as a separate process?	[06:15]
mircea_popescu	no no, bitcoin itself can close in such a way so as to not leave its own state crud crudely saved	[06:15]
mircea_popescu	this would seem to sane minds the only way to close, but then it "took too long", so...	[06:16]
decimation	ah I see	[06:16]
decimation	which would help differentiate between 'wedged bitcoind state' and 'wedged bdb state'	[06:16]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i do not exactly believe b-a is intended for the workaday people. << do elaborate. should all of us but you & kako pack up? or some other thing implied << well, i know you self-motivate by refusing to see some degrees, but there are some degrees.	[06:17]
asciilifeform	let's have the cold equations	[06:17]
asciilifeform	which degrees ?	[06:17]
cazalla	this fkn conference i'm streaming.. "cold storage is out dated, it's about multisig now".. where do you see bitcoin in 20 years time? "something like email where you can instantly send value over the internet"	[06:18]
*	asciilifeform genuinely curious	[06:18]
mircea_popescu	consider the case of the various chicks that came to show their tits for .1 btc	[06:18]
asciilifeform	cazalla wallowing with the eagles, lol	[06:18]
mircea_popescu	they didn't stick around. why this ?	[06:18]
mircea_popescu	one explanation, that persuades me, it's because they dun have the time to. because they gotta work.	[06:18]
asciilifeform	on account of having exhausted the fountain ?	[06:18]
asciilifeform	if they could get the .1 again and again - perhaps would	[06:19]
mircea_popescu	the fountain's still going.	[06:19]
mircea_popescu	well, the .1 ain't, in my mind, the actual larger half.	[06:19]
asciilifeform	iirc you only paid per set of tits ?	[06:19]
mircea_popescu	sure.	[06:19]
asciilifeform	and each gurl shipped with 1 set.	[06:19]
mircea_popescu	but consider other example : http://trilema.com/2013/internet-story/	[06:19]
assbot	Internet story pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[06:19]
mircea_popescu	2nd quote most relevant.	[06:20]
asciilifeform	aha	[06:20]
mircea_popescu	put it another way : if i didn't think the .1 is the smaller half, i wouldn't be giving it out in the first place.	[06:21]
asciilifeform	if here 1 -> 2 continued to 2 -> 4 -> 8 -> ... ... maxint - then yes, interesting	[06:21]
asciilifeform	if a successful las vegas roll - less so.	[06:21]
mircea_popescu	so, degrees. for most chicks, the cheese dispensed by the cheese dispenser is all there is.	[06:21]
mircea_popescu	for some chicks, the fact that how the shot does a cheese dispenser work ?! is a more pressing question.	[06:21]
undata	this is such a strangely wonderful place	[06:22]
mircea_popescu	so there are degrees. yes, everyone in the bezzle is in the bezzle.	[06:22]
mircea_popescu	some guys work three jobs to try and get the kid in school where he can work in a sv startup. this is a degree of improvement.	[06:22]
mircea_popescu	then maybe one day the kid gets to the point where he even has the freedom to consider wtf he's doing. further degree.	[06:23]
mircea_popescu	plenty of degrees.	[06:23]
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asciilifeform	plenty of degrees. but, i can't help but notice phase transitions in the space.	[06:23]
mircea_popescu	to restate : if you rent's due and you're short you should not be here chatting, you should be putting out that fire.	[06:23]
*	asciilifeform unaware of this being a thing for any of the people still here	[06:24]
mircea_popescu	well it's all i meant, rly.	[06:24]
mircea_popescu	im sure the various "give us 1 btc or else !!1" kids were in exactly this position.	[06:24]
mircea_popescu	;;seen sdffsd	[06:24]
gribble	sdffsd was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 hours, 19 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: Mircea, I can't access mpex.co, what's going on?	[06:24]
mircea_popescu	no further than today.	[06:24]
asciilifeform	i still can't fathom 1 being the magic number in there	[06:24]
decimation	like our little extortionist friend	[06:24]
asciilifeform	why not extort, say, 10? 100?	[06:24]
mircea_popescu	you don't understand how hope works.	[06:24]
mircea_popescu	and since you mentioned moiety, from what i understood that was exactly her position.	[06:25]
asciilifeform	starvation?	[06:25]
mircea_popescu	well she had to figure out rent	[06:26]
mircea_popescu	i tried to onlinehire her but for some reason she lacked the drive or w/e.	[06:26]
mircea_popescu	maybe internets just noit her thing	[06:26]
asciilifeform	for some reason i thought it actually happened	[06:26]
asciilifeform	but didn't suffice	[06:26]
*	asciilifeform wasn't there	[06:26]
*	asciilifeform vaguely recalls an apparatus involving telephony, where moiety was paid per minute, but few folks called	[06:27]
mircea_popescu	part of the problem is, the internet (and esp my stuff) is very self-directed	[06:27]
mircea_popescu	many people are used to micromanagement, under relentless pressure from a pointless class that wants to justify its existence	[06:27]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform that's unrelated.	[06:28]
asciilifeform	ah hm ok. i don't think the other thing was public	[06:28]
mircea_popescu	even today i have plenty of handcrankled tasks for the aspiring slavegirl. never a shortage of that. what's of shortage is teh ppl to disciplinedly work, erry day, hour after hour.	[06:29]
decimation	After seeing work exploit and demolish the world, laziness seems like the mother of the virtues. (#2,053)<< http://don-colacho.blogspot.com/2010/10/2053.html	[06:29]
assbot	Don Colacho’s Aphorisms: #2,053	[06:29]
mircea_popescu	decimation sure, great. no complaints may then be entertained about needing stuff tho.	[06:29]
mircea_popescu	laziness is a virtue of the well provisioned.	[06:29]
asciilifeform	micromanagement << most folks around here used to it, but i always imagined they would profit from its removal	[06:29]
decimation	heh good retort	[06:29]
asciilifeform	sparrow in the park may be used to children throwing stones at it	[06:29]
asciilifeform	doesn't mean it needs the stones for anythig	[06:30]
asciilifeform	n	[06:30]
undata	decimation: having been convinced that the walls of my country are going to fall in, I've got all the motivation I need	[06:30]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform tell you what : teenager is used to seeing girls in his class dressed, imagines he'd ben efit from the removal of the clothes.	[06:30]
undata	I think plenty more subconsciously know the same, and are hiding in distractions	[06:30]
mircea_popescu	should that actually happen, teenager would run and hide in a corner.	[06:30]
decimation	asciilifeform: for myself, I find working with an engage colleague to be much more motivating than a boss yelling	[06:30]
mircea_popescu	decimation the tora study model eh ?	[06:31]
mircea_popescu	im kinda curious what comes of the ben_vulpes - mod6 pairing in this vein.	[06:31]
asciilifeform	folks who have not boiled in the cauldron cannot fathom the kind of hells that exist. i once worked in a salt mine where scores of people dredged 'reddit', illicitly, all day.	[06:32]
asciilifeform	many years ago.	[06:32]
asciilifeform	(when it was almost readable)	[06:32]
mircea_popescu	sooo! degrees!	[06:32]
undata	asciilifeform: hey man, I shoveled actual cow shit as a summer gig long ago	[06:32]
undata	it's good for you	[06:33]
asciilifeform	undata: a fellow i work with spent his childhood (india) in cow shit detail. fuel for the local cremation pyre.	[06:33]
asciilifeform	had some interesting stories.	[06:33]
decimation	yeah, in the old west where trees were lacking, cow shit was firewood	[06:34]
undata	amazing how you lose sense of the smell	[06:34]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[06:34]
mircea_popescu	doesn't that make him whatever that caste is ?	[06:34]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: oddly enough - brahmin, entirely unsullied by this	[06:34]
mircea_popescu	o.O	[06:34]
asciilifeform	somehow there was an exception for children doing chores	[06:34]
decimation	I think you are thinking of dalit	[06:34]
asciilifeform	so long as human turds not involved - ok.	[06:34]
cazalla	any takers for http://www.findbitcoinjobs.com/jobs/20347-risk-investigator-at-coinbase ? can double as a mole for qntra	[06:34]
assbot	Risk Investigator at Coinbase \| Bitcoin Jobs	[06:34]
asciilifeform	human turds -> dalit	[06:34]
*	asciilifeform not expert on the mechanics whereby cow shit does not count as shit	[06:35]
undata	cows being holy or somesuch?	[06:35]
asciilifeform	well yes.	[06:35]
undata	I can firmly attest they are not	[06:35]
mircea_popescu	maybe it's because it tastes good.	[06:35]
mircea_popescu	indians are nuts.	[06:35]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: in parts of near east, folks mix it into chewing tobacco.	[06:35]
asciilifeform	don't ask me why.	[06:35]
mircea_popescu	nuts.	[06:35]
mircea_popescu	cazalla im sure one'd have to sign whatever.	[06:36]
undata	asciilifeform: humans will imitate goddamn anything	[06:36]
asciilifeform	don't advertise for a 'stierlitz' in a public channel...	[06:36]
cazalla	mircea_popescu, this job actually coincides with the fraud i reported on weeks ago to which they never responded, i'm writing it up	[06:36]
asciilifeform	(folks will bite but not the ones you want)	[06:36]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: teenager would run and hide in a corner << puzzling over this. why would this happen ?	[06:37]
mircea_popescu	why. because nothing is as scary as cunt, that's why. try it sometime.	[06:38]
*	asciilifeform often wonders if mircea_popescu is logged in from mars. or if asciilifeform is, himself.	[06:38]
mircea_popescu	why do you think you take the bitch to the dog, not vice-versa ? males are shy.	[06:38]
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cazalla	you take the doe to the buck too!	[06:41]
cazalla	sometimes to doe mounts the buck	[06:41]
mircea_popescu	^	[06:41]
cazalla	the even	[06:41]
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asciilifeform	cazalla breeds radiation-damaged deer in butugychag ?	[06:42]
undata	that even sounds like a soviet labor camp	[06:42]
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asciilifeform	it was.	[06:42]
cazalla	asciilifeform, i wish, just rabbits but i'm sure you know this	[06:43]
asciilifeform	but also a region.	[06:43]
asciilifeform	aha rabbits.	[06:43]
asciilifeform	damaged by what?	[06:43]
asciilifeform	or is this normal for the species	[06:43]
decimation	Frustration is the distinctive psychological characteristic of democratic society. Where all may legitimately aspire to the summit, the entire pyramid is an accumulation of frustrated individuals. http://don-colacho.blogspot.com/2010/05/1110.html	[06:43]
assbot	Don Colacho’s Aphorisms: #1,110	[06:43]
mircea_popescu	its normal for all mammal species yo.	[06:43]
undata	asciilifeform: mining uranium without gear, no less. brutal.	[06:43]
cazalla	asciilifeform, you DO know i raise rabbits right? here comes cazalla and his rabbits talk again	[06:44]
asciilifeform	aha yes i recall.	[06:44]
asciilifeform	good picture of heads	[06:44]
asciilifeform	(what do you usually do with those?)	[06:44]
cazalla	compost it all	[06:44]
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*	decimation is dreaming of building a colacho-bot which attempts to provide the appropriate aphorism for the conversational mood	[06:45]
cazalla	i wanted to make snow camo but who has the time	[06:45]
asciilifeform	i think ilkka kokkarinen had a colachobot	[06:45]
decimation	lol he has a book http://www.amazon.com/The-Wingnut-Musings-Ilkka-Kokkarinen/dp/1468166816	[06:47]
assbot	The Wingnut Musings: Ilkka Kokkarinen: 9781468166811: Amazon.com: Books	[06:47]
asciilifeform	that book is all that's left of him.	[06:48]
decimation	it sounds pretty good	[06:48]
asciilifeform	i own it	[06:48]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: i know of no setup where it is possible to set up even a very decent 486 in such a way that it can be used for serious work today. <<< sarge ?	[06:48]
asciilifeform	he is/was a finnish emigre, working as a comp sci prof in canada. was hounded off the net by 'outraged mass' for moldbuggery.	[06:48]
asciilifeform	not once, but twice.	[06:48]
asciilifeform	first time, made to recant, threatened.	[06:48]
asciilifeform	then came back. then, disappeared again, taking all of his materials with him, this time - for good, apparently.	[06:49]
decimation	he should come on here	[06:49]
decimation	foesti has a review http://foseti.wordpress.com/2012/03/15/review-of-the-wingnut-musings-by-ilkka-kokkarinen/	[06:49]
assbot	Review of “The Wingnut Musings” by Ilkka Kokkarinen \| Foseti	[06:49]
asciilifeform	ilkka.kokkarinen at gmail	[06:50]
mircea_popescu	hanbot mail the man would you.	[06:50]
asciilifeform	tried to contact him 2 yrs. ago, he said 'shoo'	[06:50]
asciilifeform	or the like	[06:50]
asciilifeform	i have the dead tree book, it's a 'best of' his blog	[06:51]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: and that's more or less it. << notice that bitbet, mpex, trilema, qntra, logs etc all work on lynx.	[06:51]
asciilifeform	foseti and a few other guys have warez scans	[06:51]
asciilifeform	ask'em.	[06:51]
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asciilifeform	he was a die-hard poker player and loved applying the metaphors to, well, relevant things.	[06:51]
asciilifeform	also a very decent mathematics handler.	[06:51]
asciilifeform	blog was called 'fourth checkraise'	[06:52]
mircea_popescu	decimation: asciilifeform: do you think gavin works 40 hours per week on the git repo? << do you suppose captive whore in thai illegal brothel works 40 hours per week ?	[06:53]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: sarge << i don't consider non-source-based distro as suitable for serious work	[06:53]
mircea_popescu	what fucking difference does it make how many nominal hours teh slave works.	[06:53]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: that was sorta my point in reply	[06:53]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform sarge source was released no /	[06:53]
asciilifeform	source released != source-based distro	[06:53]
asciilifeform	msdos source also 'released'	[06:53]
asciilifeform	and win2k.	[06:53]
asciilifeform	'source based distro,' classically, is when nothing (other than bootstrap compiler & kernel, thomson says hello) gets on the box without being built there.	[06:54]
asciilifeform	normally this is at least minimally mechanized.	[06:54]
asciilifeform	because vita brevis.	[06:54]
asciilifeform	ilkka's book << notice he pulled the 'kindle' version also.	[06:55]
mircea_popescu	im pretty sure you could, and still can, do this with deb 3.1	[06:55]
asciilifeform	and the printed one was a 'print on demand', there was no actual reason to zap it	[06:55]
asciilifeform	except that he was frog-marched.	[06:55]
asciilifeform	this is what means 'not free man'	[06:55]
asciilifeform	he skipped red finland to end up in... this.	[06:56]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: if it were to implode, the shills will be placed into similar roles elsewhere <<< pretty miuch this.	[06:56]
mircea_popescu	which is why career anlysis is such a powerful tool,	[06:56]
mircea_popescu	and which is why as BingoBoingo pointed out earlier, when touched there they react. (the tor people in that case)	[06:57]
asciilifeform	and attribution of works.	[06:57]
mircea_popescu	it's the one place it hurts.	[06:57]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform yup, but until being "invented" here that really never existed.	[06:57]
asciilifeform	and we watched herr dingledine give private performance for nsa.	[06:57]
asciilifeform	a year ago.	[06:57]
asciilifeform	ferglubssake we didn't invent pgp.	[06:57]
asciilifeform	but in practice - this.	[06:57]
mircea_popescu	"attribution", not pgp	[06:57]
asciilifeform	!s three-man system	[06:58]
assbot	1 results for 'three-man system' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=three-man+system	[06:58]
asciilifeform	invented by, afaik, herr korolev.	[06:58]
asciilifeform	attribution.	[06:58]
mircea_popescu	the idea that what you do wil come back to haunt you is very much mpoe[-pr], as far as the bitcoin, and generally the "entrepreneurial" spaces are concerned.	[06:58]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2014#922643	[06:58]
assbot	Logged on 15-11-2014 00:27:45; asciilifeform: there was a three-man system	[06:58]
mircea_popescu	swanson's "that's not how normal debates work" is just an echo of that.	[06:58]
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asciilifeform	one day we produce a koraktor, wrapped in sc4mz0r pelt cover, 'the art and science of hunting shitgnome'	[06:59]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform well that's why the quotes. obviously it's an ancient idea, and no invention whatsoever.	[06:59]
asciilifeform	or 'malleus scamificorum' alternatively.	[06:59]
mircea_popescu	but this doesn't change the fact that nobody did it, nor does it change the fact that i'm principally hated for that reason, my agents have been principally hated for that reason	[06:59]
mircea_popescu	and this chan is called a cult, or anything else bad!111 for that reason.	[06:59]
asciilifeform	devils - hate crucifix, yes	[06:59]
asciilifeform	how could they not.	[07:00]
asciilifeform	what does true hate even mean, if not this.	[07:00]
mircea_popescu	cause nothing is so fucking evil as you know, someone digging up on trilema, coming up with meni rosenfeld's name, now the scumwipe can't go around pretending like you know	[07:00]
mircea_popescu	"hje's been in bitcoin". "o, but doing what ?" "nevermind that!!!"	[07:00]
asciilifeform	surprising he'd use the name again.	[07:00]
asciilifeform	no one cancelled, even, 'google.'	[07:00]
mircea_popescu	most of them didn't realise this attribution doohickey even exists.	[07:00]
mircea_popescu	which is why, "invention". apparently it is.	[07:01]
mircea_popescu	to this day, and shockingly, i write about church ? ppl are "oh, you're jealous"	[07:01]
mircea_popescu	it doesn't even manage to pierce the dielectric between their ears that no, im jus saving it for later.	[07:01]
asciilifeform	l0l!!	[07:01]
mircea_popescu	somehow this is not a possible concept.	[07:02]
asciilifeform	!b 2	[07:02]
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mircea_popescu	for a while i used to say it (back when i was dealing with romanians). it did... exactly zero difference.	[07:02]
cazalla	hate to say it but.. qntra? ddos?	[07:02]
mircea_popescu	and it's vastly pervasive. average us politician will not understand that his voting record is a matter of... record!	[07:03]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: note also my observation last week, that i intensely suspect 'google usenet archive' was zapped not on account of any accident	[07:03]
asciilifeform	but precisely because attributability.	[07:03]
asciilifeform	and the devils who fear.	[07:03]
undata	cazalla: looks down here	[07:03]
joecool	it's been up and down for past day	[07:03]
asciilifeform	but anyone who thought that a 'library of alexandria' was safe in the hands of the likes of 'google' - was a fool from the start.	[07:04]
joecool	asciilifeform: what's up with google's archive?	[07:05]
asciilifeform	joecool: of 'usenet.' no longer searchable.	[07:05]
asciilifeform	try it.	[07:05]
asciilifeform	is it really possible that i'm the only one who noticed ?	[07:05]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2010/politica-adevarata/ << just consider that.	[07:07]
mircea_popescu	coburn actually has to TELL people, that attribution is a thing.	[07:08]
mircea_popescu	and they're like, you know, a buncha barbarians confronting microorganisms.	[07:08]
mircea_popescu	"if you don't wash your hands you get dysentery" "really ? .... hmm.... maybe, but i tihnk it's the will of god... i have my amulets with me..."	[07:08]
asciilifeform	lol!	[07:08]
mircea_popescu	cazalla as per usual.... i see it jus' fine.	[07:09]
undata	mircea_popescu: I can't pull up trilema here either	[07:10]
mircea_popescu	undata somehow im still getting spam comments tho	[07:11]
joecool	asciilifeform: seems to work for me?	[07:13]
asciilifeform	works	[07:13]
asciilifeform	or, hm, now - no	[07:13]
joecool	i just went to groups.google.com and ran a search and it popped up a few usenet newsgroups and some results mostly from usenet	[07:14]
asciilifeform	try something '90s	[07:14]
asciilifeform	but not '80s	[07:14]
asciilifeform	('early usenet archive' is separate gizmo there)	[07:14]
joecool	are you talking about the dejanews archive?	[07:14]
asciilifeform	aha.	[07:15]
asciilifeform	https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forumsearch/psmith9626	[07:17]
asciilifeform	^ example	[07:17]
asciilifeform	should be ~30,000 posts	[07:17]
asciilifeform	zero.	[07:17]
*	mircea_popescu wasn't there, doesn't care anymore about this primitive tribe than about any other primitive tribe that was swallowed b y history.	[07:17]
*	mircea_popescu thinks if it didn;'t suck it'd have left artefacts.	[07:17]
asciilifeform	it left artifacts.	[07:17]
asciilifeform	mainly on various people's disks.	[07:18]
mircea_popescu	tough.	[07:18]
mircea_popescu	civilisations are judged by what remains, not by what they once were.	[07:18]
asciilifeform	well yes.	[07:18]
asciilifeform	http://yarchive.net	[07:18]
asciilifeform	^ example of what remains.	[07:18]
asciilifeform	easily worth ten thousand of today's internets put together.	[07:18]
asciilifeform	and that's just one man's archive.	[07:19]
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asciilifeform	going right back to 'attribution' point - these libraries - did not burn.	[07:20]
asciilifeform	they will come out.	[07:20]
asciilifeform	and the destroyers - will pay. one day.	[07:20]
decimation	re: gavin's 40 hr week << I was merely pointing out that if ascii's formula is (freedom hrs)/(work hrs), then gavin might have a good score	[07:21]
asciilifeform	his score is nil	[07:21]
asciilifeform	because he is never free.	[07:21]
*	asciilifeform thought he explained this	[07:21]
decimation	his 'free hours' are an illusion, agreed	[07:21]
asciilifeform	hence zip.	[07:21]
mircea_popescu	and the destroyers - will pay. one day. << aite!	[07:21]
mircea_popescu	i was mostly giving you a hard time :D	[07:21]
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decimation	I note that our volunteer testers seem to have left whatever routing tables they were messing with alone	[07:22]
decimation	I wrote too soon, qntra and trilema are both down for me now right now	[07:23]
mircea_popescu	lmao this stuff...	[07:23]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: decimation: possibly even fewer. <<< he likes a short thing lol.	[07:24]
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asciilifeform	re: ilkka: >> http://isteve.blogspot.com/2006/09/16-volts-silenced-by-his-university.html << the demise of his first site	[07:27]
asciilifeform	(discussion thereof)	[07:27]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: this is a standard usg 'lie detector.' << the funny thing is, i dunno if the scientologists copied the ohmmeter after the usg "lie detector", or vice-versa, the fbi is tring to find yout tethans	[07:28]
decimation	mircea_popescu: maybe if they are short polygraphers usg asks some local scientologists to sub in	[07:28]
asciilifeform	late 19th c. physiologists discovered skin conductance meter (as sanctified by 'scientology')	[07:28]
joecool	asciilifeform: heh yeah i ran some other searches I knew worked before (like linus's first linux announcement on comp.os.minix), it's gone	[07:28]
asciilifeform	the 'polygraph', as the name implies, combines several instruments (eeg, ekg, conductometer)	[07:28]
decimation	to be fair, there is some science in the sense that it detects parasympathetic activation	[07:29]
asciilifeform	that is the apparatus pictured in the photo	[07:29]
decimation	but the problem is this has nothing to do with truthsaying	[07:29]
mircea_popescu	joecool funny how that goes, right ?	[07:29]
asciilifeform	about the same thing that hot coals ordeal has to do with 'truth.'	[07:29]
decimation	as asciilifeform mentioned in the past the operative effect is to filter for 'cold' psychopaths	[07:29]
decimation	or at least very meek and compliant folks	[07:30]
asciilifeform	and in general for folks who don't give a flying fuck	[07:30]
mircea_popescu	;)	[07:30]
asciilifeform	or those with naturally 'immobile' vital signs	[07:30]
asciilifeform	etc.	[07:30]
joecool	mircea_popescu: i'm just surprised nobody else wrote about it, i doubt they get huge volume searching for things, but still, nothing mentioned about it	[07:30]
mircea_popescu	news at 11 : good pokerface is good pokerface.	[07:30]
asciilifeform	incidentally, you don't need the jailed quack to 'study lie detector'	[07:30]
mircea_popescu	joecool this is my broader point. a stupid language deserves its own stupidity.	[07:30]
asciilifeform	fiddybucks buys you all the components, in a manageable pocket size.	[07:30]
mircea_popescu	english is in this sense quite stupid.	[07:30]
asciilifeform	ask 'biofeedback' aficionados.	[07:31]
decimation	there is probably some amusement to be had in experimenting with such things	[07:31]
asciilifeform	decimation: there are folks who do it for a hobby.	[07:31]
asciilifeform	http://hardwick.fi/ilkka/16v0830.htm	[07:32]
asciilifeform	^ ancient backup of 'sixteen volts', kokkarinen's first site.	[07:32]
decimation	from the senior usg 'stendartendfurher's	[07:32]
asciilifeform	nm, borked	[07:32]
mircea_popescu	ddos ?	[07:33]
asciilifeform	nah, just incomplete	[07:33]
asciilifeform	there is a mostly full one. somewhere.	[07:33]
decimation	from the senior usg Standartenführer's point of view, the polygraph is an ideal device to filter the workforce into compliant sheep and stone cold thugs	[07:33]
mircea_popescu	The brilliant Finnish-Canadian computer science professor / blogger Ilkka Kokkarinen has taken down his popular blog, presumably to keep his job after his campus newspaper noticed his heterodox views. His skepticism about the intellectual consistency of lesbian-feminist theory and practice would appear to have been his biggest crime.	[07:34]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[07:34]
mircea_popescu	"After being alerted by The Ryersonian, computer science chair, Alireza Sadeghian said the department neither accepts nor condones Kokkarinen’s views."	[07:34]
decimation	right, we need to get him here	[07:34]
mircea_popescu	wait. how does a computing dept accept or not accept views in other fields ?	[07:34]
decimation	maybe he can port bitcoind to forth	[07:34]
mircea_popescu	like... does the geography department accept grammar ?	[07:35]
mircea_popescu	what sort of ignarous barbarity is this!	[07:35]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: was taken to политотдел.	[07:35]
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mircea_popescu	!up nacci	[07:35]
asciilifeform	loper-os.org/pub/ilkka.zip	[07:35]
-assbot-	You voiced nacci for 30 minutes.	[07:35]
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asciilifeform	afaik the only copy on the net.	[07:36]
nacci	hey	[07:36]
asciilifeform	(presently)	[07:36]
asciilifeform	(note, this is 'sixteen volts,' his early site. not 'fourth checkraise')	[07:36]
mircea_popescu	Clearly, Professor Kokkarinen was naive to use his own name when he switched his blog from Finnish to English <<< mp considers just how great his power is.	[07:37]
mircea_popescu	i switched from romanian to english jus' fine.	[07:37]
mircea_popescu	ello nacci. who're you ?	[07:37]
nacci	just another bloke	[07:38]
decimation	mircea_popescu: to be fair, you didn't have a tenured position in a nato colony	[07:38]
mircea_popescu	but... wait. i make more than whatever tenured prof makes.	[07:38]
mircea_popescu	and i can read, just like him.	[07:39]
mircea_popescu	how is this comparison against me ?	[07:39]
decimation	heh yeah that's why he needs to be here	[07:39]
decimation	you see, he has 'loyalty'	[07:39]
decimation	I guess	[07:39]
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mircea_popescu	and i dare think if he had a tenured position this would have been a non issue	[07:39]
mircea_popescu	since that's what tenure is. "o you don't like me ? fuck you and get lost."	[07:39]
decimation	well that's a good point, he probably didn't	[07:39]
asciilifeform	tenure doesn't actually exist in angloworld now.	[07:39]
asciilifeform	any more than property.	[07:39]
decimation	tenure exists if you are willing to push the multicult	[07:39]
asciilifeform	(it being a kind of property right, traditionally - fat surprise.)	[07:40]
nacci	nepotism trumps tenure	[07:40]
mircea_popescu	decimation for the record, as one coming from an actually multicultural world, i am both offended at the misuse of the term and would pray you don't discard an actually superior mode of human life	[07:40]
decimation	heh	[07:40]
mircea_popescu	just because some fucktarded barbarians in a colony think that cowboys in sheets = latins.	[07:40]
asciilifeform	'Physicist Steven Jones, who first pointed to the use of thermite in the destruction of the two towers had to agree to having his university buy out his tenure or his university was faced with losing all federal financing.' << example from herr orlov. ( http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/09/911-after-13-years.html )	[07:40]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i tell you, if i was the provost i wouldn't have made the offer.	[07:41]
mircea_popescu	let the fucking feds cut off financing.	[07:41]
mircea_popescu	this is like, russian orthodox church vs tsarate already.	[07:41]
asciilifeform	and recall how that went.	[07:41]
mircea_popescu	so what if it did ?	[07:41]
asciilifeform	obligatory:	[07:42]
asciilifeform	!s solzhenitsyn axe	[07:42]
assbot	4 results for 'solzhenitsyn axe' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=solzhenitsyn+axe	[07:42]
mircea_popescu	fuck that. the freedom you like is built on a certain kind of disinterest in effects.	[07:42]
asciilifeform	except everyone, i think, knows this	[07:42]
asciilifeform	swinging the axe - another matter altogether.	[07:43]
mircea_popescu	i guess.	[07:43]
mircea_popescu	i dun see it.	[07:43]
mircea_popescu	nothing easier in the world than "fuck you and get lost."	[07:43]
mircea_popescu	srsly.	[07:43]
asciilifeform	notable historical case study is treblinka uprising	[07:43]
asciilifeform	notable for being the only major one inside the barbed wire	[07:43]
asciilifeform	(unless counting warsaw ghetto)	[07:44]
mircea_popescu	or in the cinematic version, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9r-vu-l8mLE	[07:44]
asciilifeform	iirc, the magic ingredient - no women	[07:44]
mircea_popescu	funny how that goes huh ?	[07:44]
asciilifeform	aha.	[07:44]
mircea_popescu	so now... tell me. did it matter how fucking pretty the women were ?	[07:45]
asciilifeform	nein. only that they were already dead.	[07:45]
mircea_popescu	whether young or old ? slutty or annyoing ? big tits or small ? pert or loose ?	[07:45]
mircea_popescu	did not. exactly.	[07:45]
mircea_popescu	in some circumstances, listening to the women is a bad idea.	[07:45]
asciilifeform	the way historians seem to present it, it was less 'listening' and more 'no hostages'	[07:46]
asciilifeform	when 'they'll xxx my mother, sister, wife' - folks hesitate to swing axe	[07:46]
mircea_popescu	hostages ? someone has to first care	[07:46]
asciilifeform	when mother, sister, wife - buried - they swing axe with the grace of ballet dancer.	[07:46]
mircea_popescu	caring has its place. that place is not "everywhere all the time"	[07:47]
*	asciilifeform was not in treblinka, knows only what the contemporaries saw fit to write down	[07:47]
asciilifeform	the folks blessed with the talent of 'not care' on-demand - probably tended to not end up behind the wire in the first place.	[07:48]
mircea_popescu	myeah.	[07:49]
mircea_popescu	and the folk that muck a hand the moment it can't win don't tend to end up in the bottom half of the poker tourney either.	[07:49]
asciilifeform	see also http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2008/09/survival-of-nicest.html (solely for the quote from seagrave's 'castaways')	[07:50]
asciilifeform	esp. last paragraph.	[07:51]
*	asciilifeform has the book, it is lovely	[07:51]
asciilifeform	recommends especially to BingoBoingo	[07:51]
asciilifeform	and other aspiring 'mad maxes'	[07:52]
asciilifeform	err, e. leslie	[07:53]
asciilifeform	(seagrave wrote only foreword)	[07:53]
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ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: bitcoind stop detatch?	[07:59]
ben_vulpes	i'm digging, but hints would be lovely	[07:59]
asciilifeform	www.mediafire.com/download/df86bg0f9lbxx2n/wingnut_musings.pdf	[08:00]
cazalla	http://qntra.net/2014/11/coinbase-seeking-a-risk-investigator/	[08:00]
assbot	Coinbase Seeking A Risk Investigator \| Qntra.net	[08:00]
asciilifeform	^ ilkka's book. mutilated but readable.	[08:00]
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ben_vulpes	cloudflare now preventing me from getting at en.bitcoin.it	[08:04]
ben_vulpes	watch it come back without any reference to detachdb...	[08:04]
ben_vulpes	is there an en.bitcoin.it mirror anywhere?	[08:05]
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RagnarDanneskjol	http://dump.bitcoin.it/	[08:08]
assbot	Index of /	[08:08]
ben_vulpes	(just paranoia i suppose)	[08:09]
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mircea_popescu	cazalla BingoBoingo others : ok, i think the bad routing thing may be fixed.	[08:13]
mircea_popescu	pls to let me know furiously if more further problems later on.	[08:13]
cazalla	mircea_popescu, working again here	[08:13]
ben_vulpes	http://94i30.net/wp-content/bitcoin-p2sh/bitcoin-detachdb.php << for lulz	[08:15]
assbot	Bitcoin Detachdb \| Bitcoin P2sh	[08:15]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes : "Explanation of -detachdb (and the new “stop true” RPC command): The Berkeley DB database library stores data in both “.dat” and “log” files, so the database is always in a consistent state, even in case of power failure or other sudden shutdown. The format of the “.dat” files is portable between different versions of Berkeley DB, but the “log” files are not– even minor version differ	[08:17]
mircea_popescu	ences may have incompatible “log” files. The -detachdb option moves any pending changes from the “log” files to the “blkindex.dat” file for maximum compatibility, but makes shutdown much slower. Note that the “wallet.dat” file is always detached, and versions prior to 0.6.0 detached all databases at shutdown."	[08:17]
mircea_popescu	turns out this is a moot consideration in your case.	[08:17]
ben_vulpes	yeeeeeah.	[08:18]
ben_vulpes	's what i suspected at least.	[08:18]
asciilifeform	http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ilkka.txt << herr kokkarinen's 'musings', deturdified.	[08:19]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform ty for that.	[08:19]
ben_vulpes	lovely asciilifeform	[08:19]
asciilifeform	this is the book, which was a 'best of' (in his view) of his last site, 'fourth checkraise.'	[08:19]
ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: ever considered releasing asylum as a pay-per-dl?	[08:19]
mircea_popescu	to compete with the current, "free" ?	[08:20]
asciilifeform	l0l	[08:20]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/i-wrote-a-book/ << click 1st link.	[08:20]
assbot	I wrote a book… pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[08:20]
ben_vulpes	trilema credits are free nao?	[08:20]
asciilifeform	i think they want the cover & the turkish bubblegum smell.	[08:20]
*	ben_vulpes shrugs	[08:20]
mircea_popescu	"free" yo. not free.	[08:20]
ben_vulpes	if the author endorsed approach is to copy the damn thing off his website...	[08:21]
mircea_popescu	anyway, your pay-per-dl comes to like 2k satoshi if you do it in one go, or else free if you take what was it, 5 weeks.	[08:21]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes what are you trying to accomplish ?	[08:21]
RagnarDanneskjol	its actually being circulated among some hollyweird people at present fyi	[08:22]
ben_vulpes	i'm actually thinking about bitcoin databases so nothing w/r/t asylum	[08:22]
ben_vulpes	honestly i'd just rather have it on my kindle than flip through whatever's in the mail	[08:22]
mircea_popescu	meh, i dun wanna support x or y's closed platform.	[08:23]
ben_vulpes	"versions prior to 0.6.0 detached all databases at shutdown." << explains hilariously slow shutdowns	[08:24]
asciilifeform	how often does a sane person shut down 'bitcoind' anyway?	[08:24]
asciilifeform	next, what, want fast reactor shutdowns?	[08:24]
mircea_popescu	"shut down"	[08:24]
mircea_popescu	didn't you shut yours down a number of times ?	[08:24]
asciilifeform	for debuggery - aye	[08:25]
mircea_popescu	/alias shutdown kill -9	[08:25]
asciilifeform	incidentally this is why a correctly-implemented blockchain db is isomorphic to a 'journalling' file system.	[08:25]
mircea_popescu	im not sure why bdb is trying to be both	[08:26]
asciilifeform	so that 'kill -9'-style death is always the correct behaviour.	[08:26]
asciilifeform	and in no case can result in inconsistent state	[08:26]
ben_vulpes	in any event i've gotten the thing to 240000	[08:26]
ben_vulpes	i'll be quite amused if i fail to wedge it	[08:26]
asciilifeform	what's it running on?	[08:27]
ben_vulpes	mod6 is perusing the tens of thousands of lines of excised code	[08:27]
ben_vulpes	debian on some virtualization layer	[08:27]
asciilifeform	ah, wai, wat	[08:27]
asciilifeform	excised what?	[08:27]
asciilifeform	tens thousands lines?	[08:27]
ben_vulpes	i exaggerate	[08:27]
ben_vulpes	:P	[08:27]
mircea_popescu	"The only thing women clearly do better without men is raise the next generation of criminals."	[08:29]
mircea_popescu	bwahhha ok not bad.	[08:29]
asciilifeform	herr kokkarinen made a point never to write an essay more than 1 paragraph or so in length.	[08:29]
asciilifeform	whole thing can be 'eaten' in an evening.	[08:30]
*	mircea_popescu is apparently of the opposing school.	[08:30]
mircea_popescu	i remember the times i could say an article in five pages	[08:31]
mircea_popescu	vaguely.	[08:31]
asciilifeform	why ilkka did this - i do not know. some necromancer here can perhaps resurrect him and ask.	[08:31]
mircea_popescu	if you take the 94 million kulaks, capitalists, dissidents and other groups of people that socialists murdered in the twentieth century, and punch the numbers into a calculator, the average number of victims per hour equals almost exactly the one-hour kill count of Anders Breivik. Just imagine how absurd it would be if, instead of being captured and neutralized, Anders were simply allowed to keep killing people day and	[08:32]
mircea_popescu	night until the twenty-second century dawns. And yet such an absurdity practically defined the twentieth century.	[08:32]
mircea_popescu	"socialism doesn't kill people" :D	[08:32]
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mats_cd03	!t m s.mpoe	[08:50]
assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00042212 / 0.00043058 / 0.00044033 (585026 shares, 251.91 BTC), 7D: 0.00036402 / 0.0005235 / 0.00065245 (7865451 shares, 4,117.57 BTC), 30D: 0.00036402 / 0.00066873 / 0.00081111 (23548921 shares, 15,748.02 BTC)	[08:50]
BingoBoingo	http://qntra.net/2014/11/this-onion-it-smells-inherent-hazards-of-the-tor-network/	[08:52]
assbot	This Onion, It Smells: Inherent Hazards of the Tor Network \| Qntra.net	[08:52]
ben_vulpes	have 0.5.3 blockchains at 240001; interested researchers may request links.	[08:53]
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ben_vulpes	next checkpoint 245000	[08:54]
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BingoBoingo	http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&type=submission&id=3986911	[09:20]
assbot	Tor: This Onion Smells - Slashdot	[09:20]
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BingoBoingo	How's Rhodesia?	[09:26]
fluffypony	still in the USA	[09:26]
fluffypony	flying to LA tomorrow, sleep over one night, then back to SA on Monday via Dubai	[09:26]
BingoBoingo	Ah, cool.	[09:27]
fluffypony	Vegas was fun, saw the Blue Man Group for the first time and they were awesome	[09:28]
fluffypony	also the production quality on La Rêve was insane	[09:28]
BingoBoingo	Vegas, where entertainers never really die... until they... actually die	[09:28]
fluffypony	lol yeah	[09:29]
BingoBoingo	Well, their choices are what? Vegas or Branson?	[09:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH2] 2083 @ 0.0012 = 2.4996 BTC	[09:32]
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BingoBoingo	https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=reptillians+on+earth << lulz	[10:17]
assbot	reptillians on earth - YouTube	[10:17]
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mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes so it passed wedgespot ?	[10:44]
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punkman	http://techcrunch.com/2014/11/15/as-developers-depart-google-glass-is-ready-to-become-this-eras-segway/	[11:59]
assbot	As Developers Depart, Google Glass Is Ready To Become This Era’s Segway \| TechCrunch	[11:59]
punkman	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2gKqwmCcAAkIsc.jpg	[12:00]
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punkman	https://twitter.com/Ghetto_CNN/status/532972951407439874	[12:01]
assbot	THESE JEHOVAH WITNESSES ARE NEXT LEVEL SAVAGES http://t.co/hGmKj5jL3m	[12:01]
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*	cazalla was raised a joho	[12:08]
cazalla	you think bitcoin makes you an outsider, you have nfi	[12:09]
cazalla	anyway, that is not joho propaganda punkman	[12:10]
punkman	what'd you expect from CNN	[12:12]
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punkman	cazalla: did you ever do the door-to-door thing?	[12:13]
cazalla	punkman, yeah countless times plus fkn wednesday night book study, sunday talks and worse, assemblies	[12:13]
punkman	pretty rare around here, but I've seen the odd flyer	[12:14]
cazalla	rare here as well, when i was around, my parents each lost a brother within 6 months so that opened the door for the jws to get their hooks in with the paradise earth bullshit	[12:15]
cazalla	araound 5 i mean	[12:15]
cazalla	you know what kicked off us leaving? doom and rise of the triad	[12:16]
cazalla	once i hit my teens and refused to go and was willing to take a beating if it meant i could play doom, domino effect kicked in and family stopped going	[12:17]
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punkman	http://reason.com/blog/2014/11/14/bernard-von-nothaus-of-liberty-dollar-ha	[12:46]
assbot	Bernard von NotHaus of Liberty Dollar Has His Motion for Post-Conviction Relief Denied, Will Face Sentencing - Hit & Run : Reason.com	[12:46]
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cazalla	!up bitbethelp	[12:51]
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bitbethelp	this bet was resolved incorrectly, 1 sec	[12:51]
bitbethelp	http://blasze.tk/A1KGCV	[12:52]
assbot	BitBet - Republicans win majority of the U.S. Senate :: 1.3 B (58%) on Yes, 0.93 B (42%) on No \| closed 1 week 6 days ago	[12:52]
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bitbethelp	just so you know, dd4btc is a tard	[12:57]
bitbethelp	http://blasze.tk/U12CYI	[13:00]
assbot	Open Port Check Tool - Test Port Forwarding on Your Router	[13:00]
bitbethelp	interesting way assbot is using to cloak its ip	[13:00]
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BingoBoingo	!down bitbethelp	[13:04]
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BingoBoingo	;;isup thedrinkingrecord.com	[13:06]
gribble	thedrinkingrecord.com is down	[13:06]
BingoBoingo	Oh well. It was a good run.	[13:06]
thestringpuller	what happened?	[13:09]
thestringpuller	are they ddosing the drinking record?	[13:09]
BingoBoingo	Sure, but no big	[13:09]
BingoBoingo	Uptime is what it is	[13:10]
thestringpuller	you haven't gone to bed yet?	[13:10]
thestringpuller	dat uptime	[13:10]
BingoBoingo	I'm up learly today	[13:10]
BingoBoingo	!up bitbethelp	[13:10]
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bitbethelp	fivezerotwo here fyi	[13:11]
BingoBoingo	Ah	[13:11]
cazalla	bitbethelp, you misrepresented yourself to me	[13:12]
bitbethelp	cazalla, correct! this is what /b/tards would call "social engineering"	[13:12]
bitbethelp	herpderp	[13:13]
cazalla	to what end? you didn't gain anything	[13:13]
thestringpuller	http://i.imgur.com/2oMV0Nv.jpg << hey look thermos is well being thermos	[13:13]
punkman	bitbethelp: are you also the guy that claimed to have a bitbet hack a while back?	[13:13]
bitbethelp	cazalla, nor did I lose anything. it's not about the attempts where you don't get anything, but the attempts you succeed.	[13:13]
bitbethelp	punkman: no	[13:14]
cazalla	bitbethelp, well, you're 0 for what must be 1000+ attempts to get paid at this point	[13:14]
bitbethelp	cazalla, lol	[13:15]
thestringpuller	the only way to get paid in this channel is to do work :P	[13:15]
bitbethelp	say one line and you can mislead people on your intent	[13:16]
bitbethelp	here's a tip: people who want to get paid send along an address, like that dd4bc tard	[13:16]
punkman	guess the lulz are payment enough	[13:17]
cazalla	beggars can't be choosers	[13:18]
punkman	https://twitter.com/replicakill/status/520819622560276480/photo/1	[13:19]
assbot	The four F's. http://t.co/eLktxGSBQk	[13:19]
bitbethelp	;;isup qntra.net	[13:20]
gribble	qntra.net is up	[13:20]
bitbethelp	nope, it isn't	[13:20]
bitbethelp	so, cazalla, what's your plan on running qntra when it's going to be down 7x24 if it gets any sort of traction?	[13:23]
cazalla	bitbethelp, having a beer, cunt!	[13:23]
bitbethelp	when operating a website you need to consider advanced persistent threats, such as yours truly	[13:23]
cazalla	bitbethelp, you give me the excuse i need to drink so have at it	[13:23]
bitbethelp	lel	[13:23]
BingoBoingo	Qntra really doesn't look down at all from here	[13:23]
cazalla	you're not a threat, you're are like the buzzing of flies	[13:23]
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bitbethelp	BingoBoingo, you're the very minority http://check-host.net/check-report/4f3ffc	[13:24]
cazalla	you best find other targets bitbethelp	[13:24]
punkman	mpex is a much better target	[13:24]
bitbethelp	punkman, why so, it's used by 10 people tops	[13:25]
cazalla	why would anyone pay you to stop then bitbethelp ?	[13:25]
bitbethelp	cazalla, why do you still have this assumption i'm trying to extort you into paying me?	[13:26]
cazalla	than why are you doing this?	[13:26]
cazalla	then even	[13:26]
cazalla	see what you made me do bitbethelp, you made me drink all this beer	[13:26]
bitbethelp	maybe you could pay me to find out, lel	[13:26]
cazalla	do you take paypal?	[13:27]
bitbethelp	sec	[13:27]
mircea_popescu	* cazalla was raised a joho << o.O	[13:27]
cazalla	mircea_popescu, didn't mean i had to believe it	[13:28]
mircea_popescu	i never met one b4.	[13:29]
mircea_popescu	bitbethelp> cazalla, nor did I lose anything. it's not about the attempts where you don't get anything, but the attempts you succeed. << what is this fucktardry, srsly.	[13:30]
bitbethelp	every successful attack takes lots of attempts, some fruitless	[13:31]
*	mircea_popescu shrugs.	[13:32]
mircea_popescu	punkbot lol mating. apparently, every successful writing takes lots of attempts, some of which are... muitless.	[13:33]
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BingoBoingo	!up manamex	[13:42]
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manamex	BingoBoingo thanks	[13:43]
BingoBoingo	Sup?	[13:43]
Anduck	!up bitbethelp	[13:49]
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manamex	new here, reading logs	[14:02]
BingoBoingo	Cool	[14:06]
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gribble	trilema.com is up	[14:16]
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punkman	http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/16/us/more-federal-agencies-are-using-undercover-operations.html	[14:42]
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mircea_popescu	i always wondered what % of "operations" end when group #1 doing "undercover work" catches group #2.	[14:43]
punkman	indeed	[14:44]
BingoBoingo	I have to assume that's most of what they do now.	[14:49]
mircea_popescu	must suck lol	[14:51]
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*	asciilifeform was going to link jurov to kalman reti's film about smbx machine, but noticed that it was recently censored.	[21:04]
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asciilifeform	aha.	[21:05]
asciilifeform	it is by no means a complete picture, but gives the general idea.	[21:05]
asciilifeform	(who censored it, and why? i'd love to know)	[21:05]
mircea_popescu	uh ? what's missing ?	[21:06]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: the film linked in an old post of mine: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=932	[21:06]
assbot	Loper OS » Kalman Reti, the Last Symbolics Developer, Speaks of Lisp Machines.	[21:06]
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asciilifeform	http://people.csail.mit.edu/reti/SymbolicsTalk28June2012.m4v	[21:11]
asciilifeform	^ mirror	[21:11]
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mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/actual-bitcoin-corporations-abcs-versus-fiat-based-frauds-trying-to-masquerade-as-bitcoin-companies-while-masquerading-as-companies-in-the-first-place-on-the-solid-theory-that-the-general-public-i/	[22:19]
mircea_popescu	^ titles are not enough for me!	[22:19]
assbot	Actual Bitcoin corporations (ABCs) versus fiat-based frauds trying to masquerade as Bitcoin companies (while masquerading as companies in the first place) on the solid theory that the general public is too stupid to make any difference, this one included, and on the flimsy theory that the general public matters in Bitcoin (FBF-TTMABC-WMACITFP-OTSTTTGPITSTMAD-TOI-AOTFTTTGPMIBs, alphabets for short). pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea P	[22:19]
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Apocalyptic	http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=2059	[23:00]
assbot	Shtetl-Optimized » Blog Archive » What does the NSA think of academic cryptographers? Recently-declassified document provides clues	[23:00]
thomas_d	;;eregister thomas_d BBE4FD4CC1083523	[23:01]
gribble	Error: Could not retrieve your key from keyserver. Either it isn't there, or it is invalid.	[23:01]
asciilifeform	Apocalyptic: the paper in question is not only of 20 yrs. vintage, but officially released (not in any sense leaked)	[23:04]
mircea_popescu	lol not bad.	[23:04]
asciilifeform	Apocalyptic: hence, i'd take with 'grain of salt'	[23:04]
Apocalyptic	asciilifeform, noted	[23:04]
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asciilifeform	'Desmedt referred to a letter written by Marty Hellman criticizing NIST. I had all but forgotten about Hellman; he has not been active on cryptologic scene in many years, and I've always had doubts about his moral principles (by contrast, I regard Rivest as being above all this dirt).'	[23:07]
asciilifeform	l0l!	[23:07]
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chetty	Hellman caught them with their pants down didn't he?	[23:09]
thomas_d	;;eregister thomas_d BBE4FD4CC1083523	[23:09]
gribble	Error: Could not retrieve your key from keyserver. Either it isn't there, or it is invalid.	[23:09]
thomas_d	Do you usually need to wait a little while after exporting cert to server?	[23:10]
thomas_d	I just did it about 30 seconds ago	[23:10]
thomas_d	;;eregister thomas_d BBE4FD4CC1083523	[23:10]
gribble	Error: Could not retrieve your key from keyserver. Either it isn't there, or it is invalid.	[23:10]
xanthyos	thomas_d: do it in PM so it doesn't congest the chat	[23:11]
xanthyos	bagels7 had the same error i think	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	thomas_d bout an hour or so	[23:12]
thomas_d	cool	[23:12]
thomas_d	I should introduce myself anyway my name is thomas dick I'm a noob	[23:12]
Apocalyptic	Do you usually need to wait a little while after exporting cert to server? // yes you do	[23:12]
mircea_popescu	your name seriously is dick ?	[23:12]
asciilifeform	chetty: i've found the letter in question: http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/12.63.html#subj1	[23:13]
assbot	The Risks Digest Volume 12: Issue 63	[23:13]
Apocalyptic	give it 1-2 hours	[23:13]
thomas_d	dick is my middle name	[23:13]
xanthyos	heh	[23:13]
thomas_d	but I go by thomas dick	[23:13]
mircea_popescu	lol	[23:13]
thomas_d	are there any regulations/guidelines on the chatting here, or anything goes?	[23:15]
kakobrekla	so what do you do thomas?	[23:15]
thomas_d	can't see anything in the topic	[23:15]
thomas_d	I'm in an entry-level IT position	[23:15]
mircea_popescu	well the general idea is to spend a while reading the logs	[23:15]
asciilifeform	thomas_d: programmer ?	[23:15]
mircea_popescu	then this and such questions tend to answer themselves.	[23:15]
thomas_d	nah service desk	[23:16]
thomas_d	networks	[23:16]
mircea_popescu	"Don Beaver (Penn State), in another era, would have been a spellbinding charismatic preacher; young, dashing (he still wears a pony-tail), self-confident and glib, he has captured from Silvio Micali the leadership of the philosophic wing of the U.S. East Coast cryptanalytic community."	[23:16]
mircea_popescu	here's a q for you asciilifeform : if i were the big bad and you were my officer in charge of fucking nerdcore up, and the strategy was, "inject a person whom on the basis of sheer animal magnetism can be used to steer things ways",	[23:17]
mircea_popescu	would you hire a man or a woman for this task ?	[23:17]
asciilifeform	depends on the designated chumps, no?	[23:17]
mircea_popescu	supposing you have a person printing machine, can make them up to spec.	[23:17]
asciilifeform	what'd a 'nerdcore' anyway	[23:17]
mircea_popescu	well, the designated chumps, "the U.S. East Coast cryptanalytic community"	[23:17]
mircea_popescu	a nerdcore is roughly what "academia" is : adding words to specified idiocy to make it palatable. it's not a buncha derps, because CORE.	[23:18]
asciilifeform	not being one of the designated chumps in question, i'd ask for a subverted greybeard. but i am not a doctor of chumpatronics, and may be naive here.	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	uh. how'd that work ?	[23:19]
asciilifeform	e.g. schneier	[23:19]
xanthyos	a person printing machine like from kafka's "in the penal colony"	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	~ on the basis of sheer animal magnetism ~	[23:20]
mircea_popescu	gotta stick to the strat yo.	[23:20]
asciilifeform	i'd have picked him based on his 'street cred' from his service in the '90s crypto wars	[23:20]
mircea_popescu	but thats out of scope.	[23:20]
asciilifeform	if question specifically concerns 'animal magnetism' - difficult to answer. most of the chumpatronic work involved, i doubt would win from this stratagem. i, for instance, have never (to my knowledge) been within musket distance of a live cryptographer (of whatever variety)	[23:21]
mircea_popescu	but we are discussing the nerdcore.	[23:21]
mircea_popescu	you know, like bitcoincore.	[23:22]
asciilifeform	ergo i need to be chumped with paper	[23:22]
asciilifeform	and how many of these chumps are chumped in a lecture hall, and not with paper?	[23:22]
mircea_popescu	i think most.	[23:22]
asciilifeform	seriously?	[23:22]
asciilifeform	how many of the 'tardstalk' folks have seen gavin alive	[23:22]
mircea_popescu	the reason the remnant is so insistent on "real world" vs "trolls" perhaps follows a simple calculation	[23:22]
asciilifeform	i, for example, don't even know what he looks like	[23:22]
mircea_popescu	"we have a this which works and a that which sort-of works and is more expensive"	[23:23]
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mircea_popescu	i would bet you 100% have.	[23:23]
mircea_popescu	no exceptions.	[23:23]
asciilifeform	well, not knowingly	[23:23]
mircea_popescu	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/14/Silvio_Micali_IMG_0459.jpg << this, incidentally, is whom "leadership" was captured...from.	[23:23]
asciilifeform	for all i know, lizard hitler rides elevator with me every day	[23:23]
*	asciilifeform does not recall seeing this mug before	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	so basically, not your kind of job ?	[23:24]
asciilifeform	unfortunately not.	[23:24]
asciilifeform	although, now that you mention it,	[23:24]
asciilifeform	reading the ancient 'cryptolog', i can almost hear a tone of voice	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	you can can't you.	[23:24]
asciilifeform	and it sounds very much like certain other persons	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	this is how the fucking problem with "releases" go.	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	it is functionally impossible to make a release that works for any evnetual readers.	[23:25]
xanthyos	;;gettrust thomas_d	[23:25]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user xanthyos to user thomas_d: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=xanthyos&dest=thomas_d \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=thomas_d \| Rated since: never	[23:25]
asciilifeform	it isn't even 'cold psychopath' or the like. it is the basic tone of voice of the 'mean gurlz' who are, between sentences, cackling at the 'goodies' their gurlz club is privy to	[23:25]
asciilifeform	vs. the chumpers	[23:25]
*	assbot removes voice from thomas_d	[23:26]
asciilifeform	now that this came up, i will say that i have seen this alive	[23:26]
asciilifeform	as in, actual (former) friends who took up the cloak of the beast, and their patterns of speech actually changed.	[23:27]
asciilifeform	similar to how men who have sat in russian prison, have detectably characteristic patterns of speech	[23:27]
asciilifeform	specifically not speaking of vocabulary or idiomatisms here	[23:27]
asciilifeform	but patterns.	[23:27]
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mircea_popescu	heh.	[23:29]
asciilifeform	at any rate, i can imagine only with great difficulty that a usg cryptologist of any actual stature (that is, creator of, or even privy to, a 'crown jewel') would be permitted to make public so much as a newspaper ad for a dog walker, much less a document pertaining to his profession.	[23:31]
asciilifeform	(an internal report marked 'confidential' should be regarded as a public document for the purpose of this statement.)	[23:31]
asciilifeform	'confidential' is the lowest level of classification in usg.	[23:31]
asciilifeform	about on par with a receipt for pizza at the office.	[23:31]
mircea_popescu	ok, let me put this in a different light.	[23:32]
asciilifeform	the author is likely an 'outer circle' man.	[23:33]
mircea_popescu	out of the 100k or so academics trudging for us-academia-wot, how many are likely to publish their research like i do, on trilema, just like that ?	[23:33]
asciilifeform	kept around, permitted to work on problems in his circle of interests among his own kind, but generally kept away from anything 'jewel'-like.	[23:33]
mircea_popescu	not a matter of "permitted" per se.	[23:33]
asciilifeform	us-academia or 'intelligence komyoonity' ?	[23:34]
asciilifeform	rather different animals	[23:34]
asciilifeform	(similar in some interesting ways, but kept in separate tanks at the zoo)	[23:34]
mircea_popescu	separate but identical ?	[23:34]
asciilifeform	i have personally only taken a swim in the larger tank, the former	[23:35]
asciilifeform	cannot speak for the smaller tank	[23:35]
asciilifeform	but among generic u.s. mathemasturbators, unaffiliated with nsa et al, it is quite common to post 'preprints' on www.	[23:36]
mircea_popescu	anonymously ?	[23:37]
asciilifeform	no, on their official university www, typically	[23:38]
asciilifeform	often, even now, as 'postscript' turds	[23:38]
mircea_popescu	so in short : people who make their living cutting beards are not likely to be seen cutting beards outside of the place where this pays.	[23:38]
asciilifeform	well, they also tend to use their barbershops as homes. in the sense that many academics keep personal blog-type material on the same site.	[23:39]
asciilifeform	(herr kokkarinen, before anyone asks, did not)	[23:39]
asciilifeform	example: http://doubletap.cs.umd.edu/purtilo	[23:40]
asciilifeform	^ met very briefly in meatspace	[23:40]
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mircea_popescu	http://doubletap.cs.umd.edu/purtilo/Despair/image011.jpg << srsly ?	[23:40]
mircea_popescu	a much better caption would be minsky with his eyes closed.	[23:41]
asciilifeform	lol	[23:41]
asciilifeform	i think that actually hangs in the hall where he works.	[23:41]
mircea_popescu	manamex: got worned by bitbethelp everyone on this channel gets dosed << lol we're speshul.	[23:45]
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