Forum logs for 16 Nov 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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punkbot mircea_popescu: No pending deeds | Last bundle 1 hour and 9 minutes ago [00:00]
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mircea_popescu so anyone know this Khalahan Henkh fellow ? [00:03]
sdffsd Mircea, I can't access, what's going on? [00:03]
assbot [00:04]
assbot Arrakis | The Operating System is the Control Plane [00:04]
mircea_popescu $proxies [00:04]
empyex mircea_popescu: Proxies: Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91 [00:05]
mircea_popescu sdffsd nothing ? [00:05]
mircea_popescu anyway, if you have trouble with websites use the irc bots. [00:06]
mircea_popescu [00:06]
assbot The many ways available for talking to MPEx pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [00:06]
empyex mircea_popescu: MPEx-Status: (116 milliseconds), (131 milliseconds), (350 milliseconds), (1681 milliseconds), (error) [00:07]
empyex mircea_popescu: Health-Indicators: Homepage: √ MK Depth JSON: √ VWAP JSON: √ [00:07]
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mircea_popescu awww [00:08]
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mircea_popescu lol fucking idiot, [00:55]
mircea_popescu ::later tell sdffsd nobody ever told you tor is not actually safe ? lol. [00:57]
kakobrekla accidentally found another bitcoin web hosting [00:58]
assbot Bitcoin Dedicated Servers, DDoS Protection, Anonymous VPS [00:58]
mircea_popescu who;s running it ? [00:58]
kakobrekla 1712 Pioneer Avenue Ste 1774 [00:58]
kakobrekla Cheyenne, Wyoming 82001 [00:58]
kakobrekla ;;gettrust 1712 Pioneer Avenue Ste 1774 [00:59]
gribble (gettrust [] ) -- Get trust paths for , starting from . If is not supplied, your own nick is used as the source. See [00:59]
kakobrekla as i suspected [00:59]
mircea_popescu [01:06]
assbot Thoughts and Concerns about Operation Onymous | The Tor Blog [01:06]
mircea_popescu "Recently it was announced that a coalition of government agencies took control of many Tor hidden services. We were as surprised as most of you." [01:06]
mircea_popescu what the next line should be ? "we suck, and we're stepping down. sorry we couldn't do what we wanted to." [01:06]
mircea_popescu what the next line actually is ? " Unfortunately, we have very little information about how this was accomplished, but we do have some thoughts which we want to share." [01:06]
mircea_popescu something fundamentally broken with these people's heads. [01:06]
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mircea_popescu what do they instead claim ? "Bitcoin deanonymization" [01:09]
mircea_popescu yeah, that's right. USG pseudo-secrecy agency used to fuck up idiots stupid enough to trust it now claims "it was bitcoin" [01:09]
mircea_popescu im sure it was, heh. [01:09]
punkman hah [01:10]
assbot mapmeld/profanity65 · GitHub [01:10]
mircea_popescu "Your comment has been queued for moderation by site administrators and will be published after approval." [01:11]
mircea_popescu im sure it will be. [01:11]
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undata punkman: that's incredible [01:13]
undata of note, "nsa-hugging" [01:13]
undata yes [01:13]
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mircea_popescu sooo, buenos aires had this gay pride parade today. [01:24]
mircea_popescu they closed off a major street downtown (rivadavia) and put a scene up and everything in front of the cogress building [01:24]
mircea_popescu meanwhile, the parade consisted of like... i dunno, five people ? six ? [01:25]
mircea_popescu i doubt total participation was 100 heads. [01:25]
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jurov interesting, last year they report over 100 thousand ppl [01:35]
mircea_popescu i saw it with own eyes, about one guy every three minutes or something [01:37]
mircea_popescu maybe it's early. [01:38]
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jurov aparently it was almost banned [01:38]
mircea_popescu i dunno how banned it'd be if the city closed down a major street for it. [01:38]
jurov looks like not really banned only asked a fee for the security [01:40]
jurov and there is something about public indecent conduct [01:40]
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jurov En ese fallo se responsabilizo por delitos comunes exclusivamente a la Comunidad Homosexual Argentina (CHA) y se la condenó a pagar $450.000.- por un delito ocurrido en la vereda de la plaza donde se realizaba un acto. [01:41]
mircea_popescu CHA lol. teh buttfuck foundation! it's a thing. [01:43]
mircea_popescu anyway, they have very right-wing ideas about dispensing justice here. [01:44]
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mircea_popescu <<< apparently they managed to lose some data [01:56]
assbot Digital Inspiration [01:56]
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BingoBoingo Smell the onion [02:02]
assbot How leading Tor developers and advocates tried to smear me after I reported their US Government ties | PandoDaily [02:02]
mircea_popescu interesting. now that's qntrable. [02:04]
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BingoBoingo [02:12]
assbot This onion, it smells! /hashtag/tor?src=hash /ioerror [02:12]
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assbot The lulz of today : DDoS attacks, ransom notes, Tor anonimity and other faits d’armes of the retarded generation pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [02:29]
mircea_popescu oddly related, BingoBoingo [02:29]
mircea_popescu "You'll find the core developers are detached and very different to their users. As a developer of software myself I would find it disheartening if the bulk of my users were jerks like /r/bitcoin." [02:39]
mircea_popescu look at that, lol. [02:39]
mircea_popescu it's visible from something awful! [02:40]
BingoBoingo Yeah. Honestly at this point I just don't see many "Bitcoin Developers" actually being very attached to Bitcoin. The "Gavin wants to quit, but doesn't want to say so" hypothesis. [02:44]
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mircea_popescu well, gavin wants to quit but he can't. [02:45]
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mircea_popescu the "satoshi costume" is just a start, he'll wear a dead deer if it comes to it. [02:45]
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BingoBoingo No shortage of those around here. Can't go for a drive of anylength without spotting venison on the roadside. [02:47]
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mircea_popescu there's some super-paleo people who eat roadkill [02:50]
BingoBoingo Sure. I mean the fresh one's are probably safe, but possessing one without a tag for it... Probably safer to drive around with a trunk full of cocaine. [02:53]
BingoBoingo In terms of the legal implications. [02:53]
BingoBoingo "Conservation Police" here get to do warrantless searches. [02:54]
mircea_popescu o rly ? [02:54]
mircea_popescu prison 4 lyf for eating roadkill ? [02:55]
BingoBoingo yeah. Conservation police find the cocaine... fruit of the poisonous tree, though probably still having problems. [02:55]
BingoBoingo Not for life, but problems. The require for deer the same tag per deer required for hunting them. [02:55]
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mircea_popescu and why does anyone care what they "require" ? [02:55]
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BingoBoingo Only so many roads with enought traffic for reliable roadkill. The 5-0 has to take the roads too. The time it takes to drag the deer into a safe tarp and wad it up so the car's interior doesn't look like the scene of a homicide... [02:57]
mircea_popescu no dude, not like that. for all the "knife subctulture" or we it is, people spending more money and time with knives than they're worth... [02:58]
mircea_popescu just keep camping gear in the back, skin and cook the thing on the spot. [02:58]
mircea_popescu call friends to bring beer [02:59]
mircea_popescu get out before evening [02:59]
BingoBoingo Aha. [02:59]
cazalla [03:00]
assbot Coinbase Rumoured To Raise $50 Million Bezzlars, Down From $150 Million Bezzlars | [03:00]
mircea_popescu awwww [03:00]
BingoBoingo I'm considering this problem in terms of where the deer are is, is on the side of the "main regional thoroughfare" normally. Because undeveloped colony. [03:00]
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BingoBoingo Two lane road steady flow of cars. most hours [03:01]
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mircea_popescu incidentally, am i the only one that finds it just a little amusing that actively promotes the use of pdfs to encapsulate information that otherwise should be in a textfile or simple post ? [03:02]
BingoBoingo ie. on one end of the "highway" is the seat of county X, on the other end the seat of county Y [03:02]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: You'd probably be the only one in some other channel. [03:02]
mircea_popescu i guess so. [03:02]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo so basically not practical to just pull off road or what ? [03:03]
BingoBoingo You jsut don't have a great window ever to do it quietly under cover. [03:03]
BingoBoingo Consider this stretch of road,LR8A3wsCX4O7WF8-Cb8aigY6iTF1FIBrcYw-yVrSAavWXtZ5NfG6OeE9qFNtVdMDhkNnFpmhOfI2PU3QsUWW8TFXwtA8KEdiXYSgqm9znAZCKo6cBIrHDLz430KxyNObA--GQCnxFjo-vjNVDgvuK_qdZQ,oiRvm6TLtMPKeIbqUE9FRzURnfIRIDWBlGt2jTM-5OK0ssLA8uXFkOjq-5VkzSBz6sarVJ1YPhc0bZhwS56IZ8L_31klCsxLt-sUUr-27DWv1-qczcsFi27rvooqO8cwvhenztfmuYMKZgzEXsdEB_ZtKlfUoFLgNZuvqX3J3t [03:04]
BingoBoingo T-cHnyGuZg5bcKBN5AKZQGikn4UXWSael2cfWuu8GPZMT8qTuiE--sgR0IMGZMZhEMZJLy_F7b1V52hgFCijS5ioQbrvA7j3MDZZadhYolJmG8nKy5o6FTGJTwogtdmRCZVw&h=200&w=555&scale=1 [03:04]
assbot Error 400 (Bad Request)!!1 [03:04]
BingoBoingo << Fucking textbining a url [03:05]
assbot dpaste: 2DR6XPG [03:05]
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mircea_popescu because google. [03:05]
thestringpuller ;;seen cazalla [03:07]
gribble cazalla was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 minutes and 48 seconds ago: [03:07]
cazalla i'm here, what's up thestringpuller [03:07]
thestringpuller sorry not at a pc. cant read logs. [03:07]
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BingoBoingo << More with the shirt from people who went from serious talk of prison rape to articles on how fat people get made fun of maor. [03:12]
assbot Hey, misogynists: The shirts that scientists wear is just as important as sending spacecrafts to comets [03:12]
BingoBoingo !up devthedev [03:12]
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mircea_popescu lmao [03:13]
mircea_popescu is that like a parody ? [03:13]
BingoBoingo I think it is actually whatever derp runs Salon's twitter Saturday nights [03:14]
mircea_popescu i suppose im the only one bothered by the ebonics coming out of salondotcom ? [03:15]
mircea_popescu or is the us so poor these days that a plurality of shirts is verbally inconceivable ? [03:15]
BingoBoingo I think it's the hint of ebonics coming to dominate the USian pidgin [03:17]
mircea_popescu just like they decided a decade ago to randomly use she instead of the canonical pronoun, [03:20]
mircea_popescu now they're going to randomly put is instead of are and so forth ? [03:20]
mircea_popescu dun wanna be too cultumancated, lest anyone can tell the orcs apart from the elves ? [03:21]
BingoBoingo I don't see much other in the way of explanations unless the literate are embargoing them. [03:21]
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BingoBoingo lulz at the reddit writeup on Thermos [03:25]
assbot For the amount of money that Theymos is paying for new forum software, we could run a bitcoin commercial during the Super Bowl. : Bitcoin [03:25]
mircea_popescu "Gavin Andresen's salary as the full time lead developer of the entire bitcoin protocol is $209k a year." [03:26]
mircea_popescu lol [03:26]
mircea_popescu if there ever was proof positive that crime doesn't pay, gavin's income is it. [03:27]
mircea_popescu he could probably make more begging where he lives, and being a professional beggar would actually be much more respectable and honorable than being bitcoin's 5th column. [03:28]
BingoBoingo At that income level Gavin's basically in the trap doctors find themsevles when they realize they hate draining abcesses, but their only other prospect is long haul trucking. [03:29]
BingoBoingo Except doctors can count on the MRSA spider always targeting junkies, while Gavin is at the whims of Vessennes burn rate [03:31]
assbot Devious MRSA Spider Bites Yet Another Antecubital Fossa; Remains at Large | GomerBlog [03:31]
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PeterL mircea_popescu: fixed the blog site [03:31]
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mircea_popescu a cool [03:44]
mircea_popescu PeterL so what about scoopbot uptime ? what keeps taking it down ? [03:44]
PeterL well, it was not set up to reconnect if it lost the connection [03:45]
PeterL I have been working on adding threading to monitor the connection [03:45]
PeterL but I have never done anything quite like this, so I am learning as I go [03:46]
mircea_popescu but do you know how it dies ? anything in the logs ? [03:46]
PeterL I am still not sure why it is dying [03:47]
mircea_popescu are you running it on a linux box ? [03:47]
PeterL yes [03:47]
mircea_popescu until myserver; do echo "Server 'myserver' crashed with exit code $?. Respawning.." >&2 sleep 1 done ? [03:48]
mircea_popescu then look in stderr see what codes pop up [03:49]
mircea_popescu you can just grep for "crashed with exit code" or w/e [03:49]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1298 @ 0.001195 = 1.5511 BTC [-] {3} [03:49]
mircea_popescu speaking of which : another thing systemv does badly : it tries to restart stuff based on pidfiles. [03:51]
undata what are the irc bots around these parts based upon? [03:53]
mircea_popescu generally supybot [03:53]
undata shameless friend plug: [03:53]
assbot kyleterry/tenyks · GitHub [03:53]
undata that thing's pretty good, used in another channel [03:54]
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mircea_popescu what is it, go ? [03:54]
mircea_popescu there was also a ruby one but i dont recall right off what. [03:54]
undata mircea_popescu: yeah, the core is written in go, then services in whathaveyou [03:54]
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RagnarDanneskjol that tenyks is very nicely done [03:57]
undata RagnarDanneskjol: I'm sure he'll enjoy hearing that. [03:58]
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decimation if gavin is a pauper than I'm in the poor house [04:02]
BingoBoingo decimation: No, they feed, clothe, and work you at the poor house. Also curfews and such. [04:02]
decimation I wonder how many commits he has to make per week to keep his salary [04:03]
decimation can he take a few months off like ascii dreams? [04:03]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it's not a bad theory in any sense. got any policy proposals based on it ? << beyond 'open a physical empire where we can all defect to and die like men in the janissary corps' - no useful idea. [04:27]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not from my puny brain. [04:28]
decimation [04:30]
assbot bellingcat - Russian State Television Shares Fake Images of MH17 Being Attacked [04:30]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: however, ben himself wants a tower of hydrocarbons. and if he gets it, he'll want something else. << actually, afaik what he was speaking for is my escape rocket metaphor. [04:30]
undata asciilifeform: ?? [04:30]
assbot Zone for Employment and Economic Development (Honduras) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [04:30]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the discussion was not about 'enough money', but about the distinct and clearly identifiable phase transition where your time becomes 100% your own [04:30]
ben_vulpes , for those looking to wedge a blockchain of their own [04:30]
asciilifeform e.g. 'taleb mode' [04:31]
decimation asciilifeform: maybe you can get a job at the 'bitcoin foundation' for $209k [04:31]
asciilifeform or, alternatively, in the other direction of spectrum, perelman mode. [04:31]
asciilifeform decimation: or city dogcatcher, lol [04:31]
decimation ah thanks ben [04:31]
decimation asciilifeform: actually many cops make near $200k with overtime [04:31]
asciilifeform decimation: but they have to work. [04:31]
asciilifeform as in, physically go places and do things [04:32]
decimation well, 'work' [04:32]
decimation true [04:32]
asciilifeform decimation: i don't think anyone here has trouble getting money by working. [04:32]
decimation if you watch 'the wire' one would believe that a possible option would be to sit in your car on the highway and get drunk [04:32]
asciilifeform if you watch the right televised strange, one could believe that one possible option for space flight is to light one's farts. [04:33]
decimation heh [04:33]
ben_vulpes decimation: i'm inching up on 252450, will post more as i gin them up [04:33]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: i suspect that there is nothing magic about that block [04:33]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: but simply happens to be when my box exhausted ram from leakage and began to fandango on the db. [04:34]
decimation asciilifeform: yeah if it is a memory stop it is probably hardware specific [04:34]
asciilifeform decimation: wasn't a memory stop as such [04:34]
decimation ben_vulpes: what platform are you working on? [04:34]
ben_vulpes debian 6 [04:34]
asciilifeform decimation: but at one point exhausted ram, but blockchain remained wedged upon restart [04:34]
BingoBoingo decimation: i don't think anyone here has trouble getting money by working. << I was not able to secure seasonal retail work again this year. I suspect I'm already on a list to "have problems" [04:34]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo is trying to retain some dignity (has not yet fallen into programming, for example) [04:35]
undata bah, sling php, get dollars [04:35]
undata better than folding shirts [04:35]
decimation I had a lawyer friend who used to be a prosecutor near asciilifeform. He was told not to frequent the local fast food joints because of the poulation of ex-convicts [04:36]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i do not exactly believe b-a is intended for the workaday people. << do elaborate. should all of us but you & kako pack up? or some other thing implied [04:36]
BingoBoingo I think I've mentioned here before that after grad school I worked at McDonalds for ~6 weeks to break local kids spirits. [04:36]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: i'd love to confirm that for you [04:37]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: how did you resist the army? [04:37]
decimation right, and in a related point - if $209k per year makes one a pauper, how much is the real bitcoin foundation going to pay? [04:37]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Too neurologically interesting to enlist. [04:37]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: i do not exactly believe b-a is intended for the workaday people. << do elaborate. should all of us but you & kako pack up? or some other thing implied << I believe for the rest #b-a is Frankenstein's attic laboratory [04:38]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: when working as an r&d contractor grunt, i met plenty of folks in uniform happily 'flying the mahogany bomber' [04:38]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: they mostly had uni degrees though [04:38]
decimation asciilifeform: me too. if cards are played right, most mil can write their own tickets in contract jobs [04:38]
decimation also military benefits are incredibly generous considering the level of education of most enlisted [04:39]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: My brain caught fire a bit too early. When medical records came up post ASVAB offers of pick your field turned into, "trust us, we'll find a nice place for you" [04:41]
asciilifeform arrakis os << yet another 'c' microkernel os. snore. snore... [04:41]
asciilifeform when will the academics finally starve. [04:41]
BingoBoingo In agriculture department academics never starve. [04:41]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: what was the offered place? ball turret gunner? [04:41]
decimation lol [04:42]
decimation I think the last of those were phased out in the 60's [04:42]
* asciilifeform behind the times [04:42]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Post asvab pre-medical write up offers involved language school or medical/technical fields, after when "trust us" I began suspecting "cooks assistant" and latrine crew [04:43]
asciilifeform language school or medical/technical fields << what were you hoping to become instead ? [04:44]
decimation << ' removal of the tail gun in 1991' wow later than I thought [04:44]
assbot Boeing B-52 Stratofortress - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [04:45]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I probably would have signed for those. But... shift in tenor came when time to draft actual contract. [04:45]
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decimation BingoBoingo: did they make you take the mmpi? [04:47]
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assbot Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [04:47]
BingoBoingo decimation: I don't remember that one specifically, but... pretty sure bring a folder of medical records is a part of what did in my chances for interesting stuff. Amazing what a trip to the wrong part of the hospital can do for your prospects [04:49]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [04:49]
undata BingoBoingo: do the wrong drugs as a kid? [04:50]
asciilifeform can he take a few months off like ascii dreams << when did i ever say 'few months' [04:50]
asciilifeform 'few months' is about as useful as 'few thousand usd' [04:50]
asciilifeform which is to say, not really at all. [04:50]
undata BingoBoingo: not an insult; I've heard horror stories of kids tripping, getting hauled into the psych ward [04:50]
BingoBoingo undata: Nah. Some people's brains don't self regulate well. Maybe it's genetic, maybe it was West Nile. [04:51]
undata ah, that'll do it too [04:52]
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BingoBoingo I got my school bezzel so probably actually netted more value in the end. [04:52]
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undata when I was younger a doctor put me on an antipsychotic for a bit due to "depression" [04:53]
undata a second doctor bothered with blood work and I was merely low on a few vitamins [04:53]
undata american medicine is a scam [04:53]
decimation asciilifeform: you would like to be more like maxwell? [04:54]
BingoBoingo I'm not a big fan of antipsychotics, make me feel like Micheal J Fox. Anticonvulsants though, particularly lamotrigine... do my brain well [04:54]
asciilifeform decimation: the example i usually offer is n. taleb [04:55]
asciilifeform decimation: because he is familiar to the folks here [04:55]
undata BingoBoingo: yeah, if things like diet and exercise don't help, there are always actual neurological issues to consider [04:55]
decimation yeah. actually the first one that came to my mind was Don Colacho [04:55]
undata hard to trust diagnoses with a pfizer clock on the wall [04:55]
BingoBoingo undata: Well, I tend towards generics. Recently though ETOH has been the anticonvulsant of choice. [04:56]
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assbot Don Colacho’s Aphorisms: #2,921 [04:57]
BingoBoingo << most interesting event I've had with regularity. Not interested in Clomipramine at all though because I like getting boners. [04:58]
assbot Exploding head syndrome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [04:58]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: gentoo << complicated. the lead dev surrendered to microshit (literally) some years ago, and it's been run by a skeleton crew ever since, with numerous high-profile catastrophes (of the 'your machine is suddenly rendered unusable by a perfectly innocent-looking action' variety) -- but there is -no- adequate replacement to this day. [04:59]
undata asciilifeform: hm, hasn't been my experience [05:00]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: to some extend it exactly mirrors the bitcoind situation - in that every serious user more or less has his own private fork. [05:00]
undata anecdotally speaking [05:00]
asciilifeform undata probably updates his box [05:00]
undata ah, that I agree with, but that's part of the beauty [05:00]
undata maybe not for everyone for the same reason [05:00]
decimation asciilifeform: I thought mr. robbins quit and started his own gentoo fork? [05:00]
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assbot Funtoo [05:00]
BingoBoingo Ah, funtoo, the bring your own kernel adventure [05:01]
* asciilifeform never tried 'funtoo', cannot speak for it [05:01]
decimation << "Part of the distinctiveness of Funtoo Linux is its dependency-based OpenRC init system, so changing this would make it something other than Funtoo Linux. So we do not support systemd as part of Funtoo Linux. " [05:02]
assbot Funtoo Linux FAQ - Funtoo [05:02]
undata I can attest to gentoo granting you the right to blow your hand off at every step [05:02]
undata but also to a well-tuned gentoo install feeling a lot like a well-tuned emacs [05:02]
asciilifeform undata: i still haven't forgiven the xorg thing [05:02]
undata "ah, this is precisely what I wanted" [05:02]
asciilifeform well yes. [05:02]
asciilifeform this is why folks use it. [05:02]
decimation asciilifeform: you mean the move from x11 to xorg? [05:02]
asciilifeform but the cost, for people who did not spend the last decade with it, is high. [05:03]
decimation running gentoo certainly gives you a motvation to scale down the lines of code in your system [05:03]
decimation I remember running with KDE 10 years ago and dreading the 24 hour compiles [05:03]
asciilifeform lol kde [05:03]
decimation kde used to not be a steaming turdpile [05:04]
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* asciilifeform regards all mousy wm as turd [05:04]
* BingoBoingo remeber running it of FreeBSD at work in 2004 [05:04]
undata with a relatively modern machine the compile time isn't so bad [05:04]
decimation but instead of being the 'adult' alternative to gnome, kde surrendered to idiocy [05:04]
ben_vulpes gentoo quest [05:04]
undata and you get to make decisions like turning on stack protector and whatnot [05:04]
BingoBoingo decimation: Well, the KDE problem is they went from desktop environment to software development club in the bad way [05:05]
decimation yeah. I remember using slackware 3 on my old 486, and barely getting X to run - and also wondering what its point would be [05:06]
asciilifeform incidentally, try this today. [05:06]
asciilifeform you'll get nowhere. [05:06]
decimation asciilifeform: you mean making aggressive compiler optimizations? [05:06]
asciilifeform i know of no setup where it is possible to set up even a very decent 486 in such a way that it can be used for serious work today. [05:06]
asciilifeform tried it personally, and put in a good effort, a year or so ago [05:06]
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decimation yeah. I was able to get plenty to run back in in the mid 90's [05:07]
asciilifeform the main culprit is the www crud [05:07]
asciilifeform as recently as 2004, you could. [05:07]
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BingoBoingo !up devthedev [05:07]
asciilifeform a recent openbsd (what i eventually settled on for that machine) consumes virtually the whole 64m. [05:07]
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decimation asciilifeform: did you have 'compuserve' back in the day? [05:07]
asciilifeform nope [05:07]
asciilifeform not 'aol' either [05:07]
asciilifeform never even saw them alive. [05:07]
undata decimation: ah I had that [05:07]
asciilifeform bbs-en - yes [05:08]
undata I vaguely remember gopher sites as a young kid [05:08]
decimation compuserve was kind of a giant bbs [05:08]
asciilifeform yes, but for money. [05:08]
asciilifeform and with lamers [05:08]
* BingoBoingo remember AOL for the copious coaster they mailed [05:08]
decimation yeah there were free forums as I recal [05:08]
devthedev I wasn't even alive during the days of CompuServe [05:08]
asciilifeform i liked the aol floppy disks. [05:08]
asciilifeform although they were shoddy [05:08]
decimation BingoBoingo: I had a friend who would call aol every day for a new 'demo floppy' [05:08]
decimation he accumulated a pile [05:09]
decimation later they switched to cds [05:09]
asciilifeform i still have 'doom' on a stack of aol floppies somewhere. [05:09]
BingoBoingo Oh, we never got their attention until the CD era [05:09]
decimation back in my youth I actually ran a tcp/ip node on an 8086 [05:09]
BingoBoingo Though CD's make for poor coasters in practice [05:09]
decimation it was connected to a radio modem and managed to pass tcp to other ham radio operators [05:10]
decimation ran this >> [05:10]
asciilifeform my point earlier was that code bloat is ubiquitous and pestilential and finally made the old hardware unusable with software of even moderately distant (starting '05 or so) vintage. [05:10]
BingoBoingo They distribute moisture too evenly over the surface so that it manages to still contact the tabletop [05:10]
decimation I bet you could still run 'lynx' on a 486 [05:11]
asciilifeform 'lynx' - yes. [05:11]
asciilifeform and that's more or less it. [05:11]
decimation the question is - what have we 'bought' for all this bloatware? [05:12]
* asciilifeform regular user of 'lynx', perhaps one of ten left... [05:12]
BingoBoingo This is reminiscent of how Mac OS 9 is less viable on the Internet than OS 7.5.1 [05:12]
decimation I recall using netscape 1.0 and the user experience was pretty much the same as firefox 30 [05:12]
asciilifeform aha. [05:12]
decimation asciilifeform: I use elinks occasionally [05:13]
asciilifeform in most ways - better. because less retardation in the payloads. [05:13]
decimation right, no javascript, just html and pictures [05:13]
BingoBoingo The problem with Mac OS 8 and later is that it tempts with the fatally broken. [05:13]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i know of no serious difference between 7.5 and 8 [05:13]
decimation BingoBoingo: my experience with macs pre OSX were all macos 8 and 9 - and they both sucked ass [05:13]
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decimation at least with the shitware I was running, they would regularly crash [05:14]
decimation and take down the whole machine [05:14]
asciilifeform aha, 'cooperative multitasking' [05:14]
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decimation heh yeah exactly [05:14]
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asciilifeform (9 was to have memory protection, but the brass over-ruled it) [05:14]
decimation one wonders what would have happened if apple actually went down the lisp machine route [05:14]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: While 8 could be forced onto Pre-RISC macs, the result is, and I emphasize IS, never pretty. [05:14]
BingoBoingo "Apple" never had a chance at that. [05:15]
* asciilifeform is not particularly in love with the 68k [05:15]
decimation I remember having to program a 68k variant microcontroller in school, wasn't too bad [05:15]
BingoBoingo It was on the Ti-89 I had and the computer I acquired in the same window of time. My affinity is probably mostly through familiarity [05:16]
decimation 68hc12 as I recall [05:16]
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asciilifeform profanity65 << pure genius. [05:18]
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decimation lol [05:19]
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* BingoBoingo suspects there are more similarities between and Bitcoin than many might suspect. [05:22]
assbot Missouri Tigers vs. Texas A&M Aggies - Box Score - November 15, 2014 - ESPN [05:22]
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asciilifeform unfortunately BingoBoingo may be the only man alive who can see this similarity [05:22]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I consider it the privledge of being neurologically deviant [05:23]
BingoBoingo The cost of waking up occasionally with a bout of exploding head is an acceptable cost. [05:23]
decimation BingoBoingo: is that 'painful'? [05:23]
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BingoBoingo decimation: Not "painful" as in pain pain. More like having a strong electrical current between your temple and ear while your legs cramp in a way that might need ice in the morning. More discomfort than pain proper. [05:25]
decimation that sounds unpleasant, for sure [05:26]
BingoBoingo Eh, you get used to it. After about the 5th time when you get rather sure you aren't dying it's not hard to just go back the fuck to sleep by waiting it out. [05:28]
asciilifeform if $209k per year makes one a pauper << consider applying my ad hoc formula: [05:28]
assbot Logged on 13-10-2014 01:35:27; asciilifeform: rephrase, if you like, as 'unit of discretionary income per unit of lost free time.' [05:28]
asciilifeform ^ this, afaik, covers all edge cases [05:28]
asciilifeform for example, gavin, a paid shill, has no free time (he is not his own man) [05:29]
asciilifeform a mental patient, likewise [05:29]
asciilifeform implied divisions by zero - intentional. [05:29]
BingoBoingo unfortunately BingoBoingo may be the only man alive who can see this similarity << So the most superficial similarity is the media narrative. A&M is perenial legit title contender while MIZ accidentallied the SEC east championship last year and accidentally is in the lead to win it again this year. [05:31]
decimation asciilifeform: do you think gavin works 40 hours per week on the git repo? [05:31]
asciilifeform ^ may as well be in chinese [05:31]
asciilifeform (BingoBoingo) [05:31]
asciilifeform decimation: that was not the point [05:32]
asciilifeform decimation: but that he is not actually free to, for example, do a 'decent' bitcoind [05:32]
asciilifeform handler - would not approve. [05:32]
asciilifeform his pay is in fact contingent not only on 'playing ball' but continued usefulness to handler [05:32]
asciilifeform which is not guaranteed [05:32]
decimation well, the bigger point - do we really think his 'foundation' is going to last that long anyway? [05:33]
decimation so while he might be able to skate for a few years, later he's a pauper in retirement living on government cheese [05:33]
asciilifeform if it were to implode, the shills will be placed into similar roles elsewhere [05:33]
asciilifeform assuming they have not fallen into official disfavour by then. [05:33]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: So there's a media narrative when team A is having a horrible year that supposed they were good enough to win if only the competition wasn't so strong. But the narrative for Team B is that they are so miserable and wouldn't be winning if only their competition wasn't so weak. And then teams A and B finally meet and in the game B actually maintains a position of superiority. [05:34]
decimation at any rate, I get you point, but you realize that the number of folks who are 'free' by your definition are probably less than a few thousand in the us [05:34]
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asciilifeform decimation: possibly even fewer. [05:34]
asciilifeform although how could i possibly know. [05:34]
BingoBoingo And in the course of writing that Mizzou leads Texas Ass&Mouth 34-20 now because they scored another touchdown. [05:35]
decimation certainly the inflationary currency, the confiscatory taxation, and the expense of home and bread combine to make this lifestyle nearly impossible in the us [05:35]
asciilifeform decimation: however, there is perhaps a million people in usa who, if they were to suffer some form of 'brain parasite', could easily jump the border and live this way on the capital they could smuggle out. [05:37]
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decimation yeah that's probably true [05:38]
asciilifeform the capital controls being slowly worked in, are mainly to guard against this. [05:38]
decimation a portion of them are doing exactly that every year [05:38]
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BingoBoingo [05:44]
assbot My finger should have been amputated from the beginning. It was very loose with no bone to connect was also smelling really bad. [05:44]
BingoBoingo And twitter censored the picture of the actual necrotic finger [05:45]
asciilifeform did i miss something? how did we get to gangrene ? [05:46]
* asciilifeform reads log [05:46]
asciilifeform or was this something to do with the sportsmen [05:46]
ben_vulpes non sequitur by my read [05:46]
asciilifeform ah [05:47]
decimation asciilifeform: I found some amusing info: [05:47]
assbot Doug Williams Indicted for Teaching How to Pass a Polygraph Test | News [05:47]
asciilifeform aha that was in here earlier i think [05:47]
asciilifeform and indictment was on 'cryptome' last night. [05:47]
asciilifeform peculiarly corrupted fax scan, too [05:47]
asciilifeform much snow. [05:48]
decimation apparently the detail there is that all of the 'evidence' was collected by undercover cops [05:48]
asciilifeform as different from virtually everywhere else? [05:48]
decimation so basically they are going to try to convict this guy for training people pretending to be people who take usg's pseudoscience seriously [05:49]
decimation This lead me to this guy [05:49]
assbot Book Discussion True Believer | Video | [05:49]
asciilifeform he's being zapped for 'lèse-majesté'. [05:49]
asciilifeform big fat surprise. [05:49]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: He was the sportsman in the 1990's shot his finger off a few weeks ago. Reattached. "Modern Medicine" has problems. [05:50]
asciilifeform they preferentially target the retarded for prosecution, big news. [05:51]
decimation so an actual usg spycatcher actually caught found that the polygraph actually hindered his investigation [05:52]
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decimation asciilifeform: it would be more honest if usg made its agents walk on coals and swear secret loyalty to the civil service - it would be much more honest and straighforward [05:53]
asciilifeform decimation: aha but the 'scientific' flavour. [05:55]
asciilifeform see also: [05:55]
assbot Logged on 27-07-2014 17:35:40; asciilifeform: the one common anthropological thread i see here is that most governments insist on some 'national' symbolic meaning in their chosen means of execution. e.g., the french guillotine across all five 'republics' [05:55]
asciilifeform (different thread, similar concept) [05:55]
decimation asciilifeform: there was another interesting story on that site: [05:57]
assbot Federal Polygraph School Gave Countermeasure Information to Polygraph Company | News [05:57]
decimation apparently usg agents are zealously evangelizing their 'secret' polygraph faith around the world [05:57]
asciilifeform incidentall,y [05:57]
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assbot 'Grass' Model 79 D - Imgur [05:57]
asciilifeform ^ saw this alive in a university surplus shop last week. [05:58]
asciilifeform apparently they are common as dirt [05:58]
asciilifeform and nobody wants the crud - computerized eeg is pocket-sized [05:58]
asciilifeform this is a standard usg 'lie detector.' [05:58]
asciilifeform iirc it was going for fiddybucks or so. [05:58]
asciilifeform complete with chart printer. [05:58]
decimation lol that would be amusing as a party trick [05:58]
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asciilifeform someone who wants to make a spy drama film, will buy it. [05:59]
asciilifeform for any other purpose, quite useless. [05:59]
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decimation asciilifeform: you could probably get grant money from usg if you were a scamademic [06:00]
asciilifeform the physical workmanship of the knobs, etc. - was superb. [06:00]
asciilifeform decimation: i was drummed out of scamademia many years ago. [06:00]
decimation yeah that's all 'mil-spec' hardware, with the 'round' connectors [06:00]
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asciilifeform superbly machined aluminum, brass knobs. [06:01]
asciilifeform very satisfying 'click', too [06:01]
asciilifeform i suspect the theatrical aspects demanded this. [06:01]
decimation you should have bought it for the rotary switches [06:01]
asciilifeform vita brevis. [06:01]
decimation yeah only someone attending to 'serious business' would have a setup like that [06:01]
decimation imagine the mind of the 'interviewee': surely usg wouldn't spend bezzlars on those fine knobs if this wasn't serious business [06:02]
asciilifeform this is perhaps the 3rd time i see one of these for sale, too [06:02]
asciilifeform (in person, not even counting 'ebay') [06:02]
asciilifeform there seems to be an inexhaustible supply of them around here. [06:02]
decimation do you have a favorite 'junk dealer' in the dc area? [06:03]
asciilifeform a number of them. [06:03]
decimation I know that there are many scavengers who survive on reselling usg surplus [06:03]
asciilifeform yes. [06:03]
decimation related: " The revolutionary does not discover the “authentic spirit of the revolution” except before the revolutionary tribunal that condemns him." [06:04]
assbot Don Colacho’s Aphorisms: #1,665 [06:04]
asciilifeform if you come across one, know that usg mandates disk sanitation pre-surplus, but no such law is enforced on contractors... [06:04]
decimation asciilifeform: I think it depends if there was anything 'secret' on the drive - in that case it probably must be destroyed [06:05]
asciilifeform statutorily - yes [06:05]
decimation but for that reason most contractors are reluctant to 'donate' their hardware in such a way [06:05]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform action like what ? [06:05]
asciilifeform like installing updated video board driver [06:06]
asciilifeform (if re: gentoo) [06:06]
mircea_popescu but i mean... rendered unusalbe as in you can't get a terminal on your monitor [06:06]
asciilifeform as in, can't get x [06:06]
mircea_popescu not as in, well the hdd's wiped and the bios randomly rewired [06:06]
mircea_popescu right [06:06]
mircea_popescu that's endemic with x. [06:06]
asciilifeform it's pestilentially endemic with any tall dependency stack. [06:07]
asciilifeform knock out brick from bottom - all falls. [06:07]
decimation the pile of chairs gets mighty fragile [06:07]
undata set proper VIDEO_CARDS, emerge -avuDN @world, config kernel, reboot [06:08]
mircea_popescu anyway, i suppose the "so ssh then" only works for people who youi knw, actually own multiple computers [06:08]
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mircea_popescu ie, 1% of the 8bn [06:08]
asciilifeform that was decade ago [06:08]
decimation or 'use serial port' [06:08]
asciilifeform now, anyone with access to a skip owns arbitrarily many [06:08]
mircea_popescu lol [06:08]
asciilifeform but if you think keeping one gentoo box around is work, try five. [06:08]
mircea_popescu anyway, what i said was, to noobs looking at linux [06:09]
undata I don't do any more work administrating mine than debian. [06:09]
mircea_popescu i guess ubuntu 10.04 could be the alternative. [06:09]
asciilifeform at any rate, no box i ever owned was rendered entirely unbootable by a braindamaged gentoo [06:09]
asciilifeform one can always get a text tty [06:09]
mircea_popescu problem is, yoyu get them on ubuntu, next you know they think it's windows and update [06:09]
mircea_popescu next you know they ARE on windows. [06:09]
asciilifeform although destroying sole means of network connectivity and ending up snaking a ppp link across room, is good times [06:09]
decimation purists avoid 'vga' console for serial term [06:09]
asciilifeform vga for serial, wat [06:10]
asciilifeform probably meant 'text mode' tty ? [06:10]
asciilifeform as in, the one normal people see on boot [06:10]
decimation no I mean no video card, serial tty only [06:11]
decimation some bioses support this [06:11]
asciilifeform aha [06:11]
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asciilifeform well, you only need bios support to access the bios menu this way [06:11]
decimation true. [06:11]
asciilifeform otherwise any reasonably-civilized os will do [06:11]
decimation the vga console code on linux still sucks after all these years [06:11]
decimation many folks trying to get low latency ditch it [06:11]
asciilifeform i and probably everyone else here has owned plenty of boxes with no video output hardware at all. [06:11]
undata asciilifeform: I'm surprised you don't like gentoo, given you tend to advocate actually knowing what your computer's doing, and why [06:12]
asciilifeform i use gentoo exclusively. [06:12]
undata asciilifeform: ah! then you have every right to hate it. [06:12]
asciilifeform or, almost exclusively (got a few bsd boxen around) [06:12]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: as in, physically go places and do things << dunkin donuts ? [06:12]
decimation I might try 'funtoo' if he is serious about no systemd [06:12]
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mircea_popescu im bashing that exchange lol [06:13]
mircea_popescu "o, then you have every right to hate it" lmao [06:13]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: even if the work of a policeman consisted solely in going to a doughnut shop and eating a kg of garbage every day, so long as he -must- -- that is still work. [06:13]
asciilifeform as in, arbeit macht frei. [06:13]
mircea_popescu yes yes, i know whatcha mean. [06:13]
asciilifeform i was unaware that gentoo was on 'hate radar' for folks who aren't using it [06:14]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: decimation: but at one point exhausted ram, but blockchain remained wedged upon restart <<< speaking of this, there's an option to close with detached bdb [06:14]
mircea_popescu this is useful if you keep stopping every x blocks, backuping bdb files [06:15]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes ^ [06:15]
decimation mircea_popescu: you mean running bdb as a separate process? [06:15]
mircea_popescu no no, bitcoin itself can close in such a way so as to not leave its own state crud crudely saved [06:15]
mircea_popescu this would seem to sane minds the only way to close, but then it "took too long", so... [06:16]
decimation ah I see [06:16]
decimation which would help differentiate between 'wedged bitcoind state' and 'wedged bdb state' [06:16]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i do not exactly believe b-a is intended for the workaday people. << do elaborate. should all of us but you & kako pack up? or some other thing implied << well, i know you self-motivate by refusing to see some degrees, but there are some degrees. [06:17]
asciilifeform let's have the cold equations [06:17]
asciilifeform which degrees ? [06:17]
cazalla this fkn conference i'm streaming.. "cold storage is out dated, it's about multisig now".. where do you see bitcoin in 20 years time? "something like email where you can instantly send value over the internet" [06:18]
* asciilifeform genuinely curious [06:18]
mircea_popescu consider the case of the various chicks that came to show their tits for .1 btc [06:18]
asciilifeform cazalla wallowing with the eagles, lol [06:18]
mircea_popescu they didn't stick around. why this ? [06:18]
mircea_popescu one explanation, that persuades me, it's because they dun have the time to. because they gotta work. [06:18]
asciilifeform on account of having exhausted the fountain ? [06:18]
asciilifeform if they could get the .1 again and again - perhaps would [06:19]
mircea_popescu the fountain's still going. [06:19]
mircea_popescu well, the .1 ain't, in my mind, the actual larger half. [06:19]
asciilifeform iirc you only paid per set of tits ? [06:19]
mircea_popescu sure. [06:19]
asciilifeform and each gurl shipped with 1 set. [06:19]
mircea_popescu but consider other example : [06:19]
assbot Internet story pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [06:19]
mircea_popescu 2nd quote most relevant. [06:20]
asciilifeform aha [06:20]
mircea_popescu put it another way : if i didn't think the .1 is the smaller half, i wouldn't be giving it out in the first place. [06:21]
asciilifeform if here 1 -> 2 continued to 2 -> 4 -> 8 -> ... ... maxint - then yes, interesting [06:21]
asciilifeform if a successful las vegas roll - less so. [06:21]
mircea_popescu so, degrees. for most chicks, the cheese dispensed by the cheese dispenser is all there is. [06:21]
mircea_popescu for some chicks, the fact that how the shot does a cheese dispenser work ?! is a more pressing question. [06:21]
undata this is such a strangely wonderful place [06:22]
mircea_popescu so there are degrees. yes, everyone in the bezzle is in the bezzle. [06:22]
mircea_popescu some guys work three jobs to try and get the kid in school where he can work in a sv startup. this is a degree of improvement. [06:22]
mircea_popescu then maybe one day the kid gets to the point where he even has the freedom to consider wtf he's doing. further degree. [06:23]
mircea_popescu plenty of degrees. [06:23]
* undata fist bumps with ben_vulpes [06:23]
asciilifeform plenty of degrees. but, i can't help but notice phase transitions in the space. [06:23]
mircea_popescu to restate : if you rent's due and you're short you should not be here chatting, you should be putting out that fire. [06:23]
* asciilifeform unaware of this being a thing for any of the people still here [06:24]
mircea_popescu well it's all i meant, rly. [06:24]
mircea_popescu im sure the various "give us 1 btc or else !!1" kids were in exactly this position. [06:24]
mircea_popescu ;;seen sdffsd [06:24]
gribble sdffsd was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 hours, 19 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: Mircea, I can't access, what's going on? [06:24]
mircea_popescu no further than today. [06:24]
asciilifeform i still can't fathom 1 being the magic number in there [06:24]
decimation like our little extortionist friend [06:24]
asciilifeform why not extort, say, 10? 100? [06:24]
mircea_popescu you don't understand how hope works. [06:24]
mircea_popescu and since you mentioned moiety, from what i understood that was exactly her position. [06:25]
asciilifeform starvation? [06:25]
mircea_popescu well she had to figure out rent [06:26]
mircea_popescu i tried to onlinehire her but for some reason she lacked the drive or w/e. [06:26]
mircea_popescu maybe internets just noit her thing [06:26]
asciilifeform for some reason i thought it actually happened [06:26]
asciilifeform but didn't suffice [06:26]
* asciilifeform wasn't there [06:26]
* asciilifeform vaguely recalls an apparatus involving telephony, where moiety was paid per minute, but few folks called [06:27]
mircea_popescu part of the problem is, the internet (and esp my stuff) is very self-directed [06:27]
mircea_popescu many people are used to micromanagement, under relentless pressure from a pointless class that wants to justify its existence [06:27]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform that's unrelated. [06:28]
asciilifeform ah hm ok. i don't think the other thing was public [06:28]
mircea_popescu even today i have plenty of handcrankled tasks for the aspiring slavegirl. never a shortage of that. what's of shortage is teh ppl to disciplinedly work, erry day, hour after hour. [06:29]
decimation After seeing work exploit and demolish the world, laziness seems like the mother of the virtues. (#2,053)<< [06:29]
assbot Don Colacho’s Aphorisms: #2,053 [06:29]
mircea_popescu decimation sure, great. no complaints may then be entertained about needing stuff tho. [06:29]
mircea_popescu laziness is a virtue of the well provisioned. [06:29]
asciilifeform micromanagement << most folks around here used to it, but i always imagined they would profit from its removal [06:29]
decimation heh good retort [06:29]
asciilifeform sparrow in the park may be used to children throwing stones at it [06:29]
asciilifeform doesn't mean it needs the stones for anythig [06:30]
asciilifeform n [06:30]
undata decimation: having been convinced that the walls of my country are going to fall in, I've got all the motivation I need [06:30]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform tell you what : teenager is used to seeing girls in his class dressed, imagines he'd ben efit from the removal of the clothes. [06:30]
undata I think plenty more subconsciously know the same, and are hiding in distractions [06:30]
mircea_popescu should that actually happen, teenager would run and hide in a corner. [06:30]
decimation asciilifeform: for myself, I find working with an engage colleague to be much more motivating than a boss yelling [06:30]
mircea_popescu decimation the tora study model eh ? [06:31]
mircea_popescu im kinda curious what comes of the ben_vulpes - mod6 pairing in this vein. [06:31]
asciilifeform folks who have not boiled in the cauldron cannot fathom the kind of hells that exist. i once worked in a salt mine where scores of people dredged 'reddit', illicitly, all day. [06:32]
asciilifeform many years ago. [06:32]
asciilifeform (when it was almost readable) [06:32]
mircea_popescu sooo! degrees! [06:32]
undata asciilifeform: hey man, I shoveled actual cow shit as a summer gig long ago [06:32]
undata it's good for you [06:33]
asciilifeform undata: a fellow i work with spent his childhood (india) in cow shit detail. fuel for the local cremation pyre. [06:33]
asciilifeform had some interesting stories. [06:33]
decimation yeah, in the old west where trees were lacking, cow shit was firewood [06:34]
undata amazing how you lose sense of the smell [06:34]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [06:34]
mircea_popescu doesn't that make him whatever that caste is ? [06:34]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: oddly enough - brahmin, entirely unsullied by this [06:34]
mircea_popescu o.O [06:34]
asciilifeform somehow there was an exception for children doing chores [06:34]
decimation I think you are thinking of dalit [06:34]
asciilifeform so long as human turds not involved - ok. [06:34]
cazalla any takers for ? can double as a mole for qntra [06:34]
assbot Risk Investigator at Coinbase | Bitcoin Jobs [06:34]
asciilifeform human turds -> dalit [06:34]
* asciilifeform not expert on the mechanics whereby cow shit does not count as shit [06:35]
undata cows being holy or somesuch? [06:35]
asciilifeform well yes. [06:35]
undata I can firmly attest they are not [06:35]
mircea_popescu maybe it's because it tastes good. [06:35]
mircea_popescu indians are nuts. [06:35]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: in parts of near east, folks mix it into chewing tobacco. [06:35]
asciilifeform don't ask me why. [06:35]
mircea_popescu nuts. [06:35]
mircea_popescu cazalla im sure one'd have to sign whatever. [06:36]
undata asciilifeform: humans will imitate goddamn anything [06:36]
asciilifeform don't advertise for a 'stierlitz' in a public channel... [06:36]
cazalla mircea_popescu, this job actually coincides with the fraud i reported on weeks ago to which they never responded, i'm writing it up [06:36]
asciilifeform (folks will bite but not the ones you want) [06:36]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: teenager would run and hide in a corner << puzzling over this. why would this happen ? [06:37]
mircea_popescu why. because nothing is as scary as cunt, that's why. try it sometime. [06:38]
* asciilifeform often wonders if mircea_popescu is logged in from mars. or if asciilifeform is, himself. [06:38]
mircea_popescu why do you think you take the bitch to the dog, not vice-versa ? males are shy. [06:38]
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cazalla you take the doe to the buck too! [06:41]
cazalla sometimes to doe mounts the buck [06:41]
mircea_popescu ^ [06:41]
cazalla the even [06:41]
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asciilifeform cazalla breeds radiation-damaged deer in butugychag ? [06:42]
undata that even sounds like a soviet labor camp [06:42]
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asciilifeform it was. [06:42]
cazalla asciilifeform, i wish, just rabbits but i'm sure you know this [06:43]
asciilifeform but also a region. [06:43]
asciilifeform aha rabbits. [06:43]
asciilifeform damaged by what? [06:43]
asciilifeform or is this normal for the species [06:43]
decimation Frustration is the distinctive psychological characteristic of democratic society. Where all may legitimately aspire to the summit, the entire pyramid is an accumulation of frustrated individuals. [06:43]
assbot Don Colacho’s Aphorisms: #1,110 [06:43]
mircea_popescu its normal for all mammal species yo. [06:43]
undata asciilifeform: mining uranium without gear, no less. brutal. [06:43]
cazalla asciilifeform, you DO know i raise rabbits right? *here comes cazalla and his rabbits talk again* [06:44]
asciilifeform aha yes i recall. [06:44]
asciilifeform good picture of heads [06:44]
asciilifeform (what do you usually do with those?) [06:44]
cazalla compost it all [06:44]
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* decimation is dreaming of building a colacho-bot which attempts to provide the appropriate aphorism for the conversational mood [06:45]
cazalla i wanted to make snow camo but who has the time [06:45]
asciilifeform i think ilkka kokkarinen had a colachobot [06:45]
decimation lol he has a book [06:47]
assbot The Wingnut Musings: Ilkka Kokkarinen: 9781468166811: Books [06:47]
asciilifeform that book is all that's left of him. [06:48]
decimation it sounds pretty good [06:48]
asciilifeform i own it [06:48]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: i know of no setup where it is possible to set up even a very decent 486 in such a way that it can be used for serious work today. <<< sarge ? [06:48]
asciilifeform he is/was a finnish emigre, working as a comp sci prof in canada. was hounded off the net by 'outraged mass' for moldbuggery. [06:48]
asciilifeform not once, but twice. [06:48]
asciilifeform first time, made to recant, threatened. [06:48]
asciilifeform then came back. then, disappeared again, taking all of his materials with him, this time - for good, apparently. [06:49]
decimation he should come on here [06:49]
decimation foesti has a review [06:49]
assbot Review of “The Wingnut Musings” by Ilkka Kokkarinen | Foseti [06:49]
asciilifeform ilkka.kokkarinen at gmail [06:50]
mircea_popescu hanbot mail the man would you. [06:50]
asciilifeform tried to contact him 2 yrs. ago, he said 'shoo' [06:50]
asciilifeform or the like [06:50]
asciilifeform i have the dead tree book, it's a 'best of' his blog [06:51]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: and that's more or less it. << notice that bitbet, mpex, trilema, qntra, logs etc all work on lynx. [06:51]
asciilifeform foseti and a few other guys have warez scans [06:51]
asciilifeform ask'em. [06:51]
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asciilifeform he was a die-hard poker player and loved applying the metaphors to, well, relevant things. [06:51]
asciilifeform also a very decent mathematics handler. [06:51]
asciilifeform blog was called 'fourth checkraise' [06:52]
mircea_popescu decimation: asciilifeform: do you think gavin works 40 hours per week on the git repo? << do you suppose captive whore in thai illegal brothel works 40 hours per week ? [06:53]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: sarge << i don't consider non-source-based distro as suitable for serious work [06:53]
mircea_popescu what fucking difference does it make how many nominal hours teh slave works. [06:53]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: that was sorta my point in reply [06:53]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform sarge source was released no / [06:53]
asciilifeform source released != source-based distro [06:53]
asciilifeform msdos source also 'released' [06:53]
asciilifeform and win2k. [06:53]
asciilifeform 'source based distro,' classically, is when nothing (other than bootstrap compiler & kernel, thomson says hello) gets on the box without being built there. [06:54]
asciilifeform normally this is at least minimally mechanized. [06:54]
asciilifeform because vita brevis. [06:54]
asciilifeform ilkka's book << notice he pulled the 'kindle' version also. [06:55]
mircea_popescu im pretty sure you could, and still can, do this with deb 3.1 [06:55]
asciilifeform and the printed one was a 'print on demand', there was no actual reason to zap it [06:55]
asciilifeform except that he was frog-marched. [06:55]
asciilifeform this is what means 'not free man' [06:55]
asciilifeform he skipped red finland to end up in... this. [06:56]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: if it were to implode, the shills will be placed into similar roles elsewhere <<< pretty miuch this. [06:56]
mircea_popescu which is why career anlysis is such a powerful tool, [06:56]
mircea_popescu and which is why as BingoBoingo pointed out earlier, when touched there they react. (the tor people in that case) [06:57]
asciilifeform and attribution of works. [06:57]
mircea_popescu it's the one place it hurts. [06:57]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yup, but until being "invented" here that really never existed. [06:57]
asciilifeform and we watched herr dingledine give private performance for nsa. [06:57]
asciilifeform a year ago. [06:57]
asciilifeform ferglubssake we didn't invent pgp. [06:57]
asciilifeform but in practice - this. [06:57]
mircea_popescu "attribution", not pgp [06:57]
asciilifeform !s three-man system [06:58]
assbot 1 results for 'three-man system' : [06:58]
asciilifeform invented by, afaik, herr korolev. [06:58]
asciilifeform attribution. [06:58]
mircea_popescu the idea that what you do wil come back to haunt you is very much mpoe[-pr], as far as the bitcoin, and generally the "entrepreneurial" spaces are concerned. [06:58]
asciilifeform [06:58]
assbot Logged on 15-11-2014 00:27:45; asciilifeform: there was a three-man system [06:58]
mircea_popescu swanson's "that's not how normal debates work" is just an echo of that. [06:58]
* assbot gives voice to joecool [06:58]
asciilifeform one day we produce a koraktor, wrapped in sc4mz0r pelt cover, 'the art and science of hunting shitgnome' [06:59]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform well that's why the quotes. obviously it's an ancient idea, and no invention whatsoever. [06:59]
asciilifeform or 'malleus scamificorum' alternatively. [06:59]
mircea_popescu but this doesn't change the fact that nobody did it, nor does it change the fact that i'm principally hated for that reason, my agents have been principally hated for that reason [06:59]
mircea_popescu and this chan is called a cult, or anything else bad!111 for that reason. [06:59]
asciilifeform devils - hate crucifix, yes [06:59]
asciilifeform how could they not. [07:00]
asciilifeform what does true hate even mean, if not this. [07:00]
mircea_popescu cause nothing is so fucking evil as you know, someone digging up on trilema, coming up with meni rosenfeld's name, now the scumwipe can't go around pretending like you know [07:00]
mircea_popescu "hje's been in bitcoin". "o, but doing what ?" "nevermind that!!!" [07:00]
asciilifeform surprising he'd use the name again. [07:00]
asciilifeform no one cancelled, even, 'google.' [07:00]
mircea_popescu most of them didn't realise this attribution doohickey even exists. [07:00]
mircea_popescu which is why, "invention". apparently it is. [07:01]
mircea_popescu to this day, and shockingly, i write about church ? ppl are "oh, you're jealous" [07:01]
mircea_popescu it doesn't even manage to pierce the dielectric between their ears that no, im jus saving it for later. [07:01]
asciilifeform l0l!! [07:01]
mircea_popescu somehow this is not a possible concept. [07:02]
asciilifeform !b 2 [07:02]
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mircea_popescu for a while i used to say it (back when i was dealing with romanians). it did... exactly zero difference. [07:02]
cazalla hate to say it but.. qntra? ddos? [07:02]
mircea_popescu and it's vastly pervasive. average us politician will not understand that his voting record is a matter of... record! [07:03]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: note also my observation last week, that i intensely suspect 'google usenet archive' was zapped not on account of any accident [07:03]
asciilifeform but precisely because attributability. [07:03]
asciilifeform and the devils who fear. [07:03]
undata cazalla: looks down here [07:03]
joecool it's been up and down for past day [07:03]
asciilifeform but anyone who thought that a 'library of alexandria' was safe in the hands of the likes of 'google' - was a fool from the start. [07:04]
joecool asciilifeform: what's up with google's archive? [07:05]
asciilifeform joecool: of 'usenet.' no longer searchable. [07:05]
asciilifeform try it. [07:05]
asciilifeform is it really possible that i'm the only one who noticed ? [07:05]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform << just consider that. [07:07]
mircea_popescu coburn actually has to TELL people, that attribution is a thing. [07:08]
mircea_popescu and they're like, you know, a buncha barbarians confronting microorganisms. [07:08]
mircea_popescu "if you don't wash your hands you get dysentery" "really ? .... hmm.... maybe, but i tihnk it's the will of god... i have my amulets with me..." [07:08]
asciilifeform lol! [07:08]
mircea_popescu cazalla as per usual.... i see it jus' fine. [07:09]
undata mircea_popescu: I can't pull up trilema here either [07:10]
mircea_popescu undata somehow im still getting spam comments tho [07:11]
joecool asciilifeform: seems to work for me? [07:13]
asciilifeform works [07:13]
asciilifeform or, hm, now - no [07:13]
joecool i just went to and ran a search and it popped up a few usenet newsgroups and some results mostly from usenet [07:14]
asciilifeform try something '90s [07:14]
asciilifeform but not '80s [07:14]
asciilifeform ('early usenet archive' is separate gizmo there) [07:14]
joecool are you talking about the dejanews archive? [07:14]
asciilifeform aha. [07:15]
asciilifeform!forumsearch/psmith9626 [07:17]
asciilifeform ^ example [07:17]
asciilifeform should be ~30,000 posts [07:17]
asciilifeform zero. [07:17]
* mircea_popescu wasn't there, doesn't care anymore about this primitive tribe than about any other primitive tribe that was swallowed b y history. [07:17]
* mircea_popescu thinks if it didn;'t suck it'd have left artefacts. [07:17]
asciilifeform it left artifacts. [07:17]
asciilifeform mainly on various people's disks. [07:18]
mircea_popescu tough. [07:18]
mircea_popescu civilisations are judged by what remains, not by what they once were. [07:18]
asciilifeform well yes. [07:18]
asciilifeform [07:18]
asciilifeform ^ example of what remains. [07:18]
asciilifeform easily worth ten thousand of today's internets put together. [07:18]
asciilifeform and that's just one man's archive. [07:19]
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asciilifeform going right back to 'attribution' point - these libraries - did not burn. [07:20]
asciilifeform they will come out. [07:20]
asciilifeform and the destroyers - will pay. one day. [07:20]
decimation re: gavin's 40 hr week << I was merely pointing out that if ascii's formula is (freedom hrs)/(work hrs), then gavin might have a good score [07:21]
asciilifeform his score is nil [07:21]
asciilifeform because he is never free. [07:21]
* asciilifeform thought he explained this [07:21]
decimation his 'free hours' are an illusion, agreed [07:21]
asciilifeform hence zip. [07:21]
mircea_popescu and the destroyers - will pay. one day. << aite! [07:21]
mircea_popescu i was mostly giving you a hard time :D [07:21]
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decimation I note that our volunteer testers seem to have left whatever routing tables they were messing with alone [07:22]
decimation I wrote too soon, qntra and trilema are both down for me now right now [07:23]
mircea_popescu lmao this stuff... [07:23]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: decimation: possibly even fewer. <<< he likes a short thing lol. [07:24]
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asciilifeform re: ilkka: >> << the demise of his first site [07:27]
asciilifeform (discussion thereof) [07:27]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: this is a standard usg 'lie detector.' << the funny thing is, i dunno if the scientologists copied the ohmmeter after the usg "lie detector", or vice-versa, the fbi is tring to find yout tethans [07:28]
decimation mircea_popescu: maybe if they are short polygraphers usg asks some local scientologists to sub in [07:28]
asciilifeform late 19th c. physiologists discovered skin conductance meter (as sanctified by 'scientology') [07:28]
joecool asciilifeform: heh yeah i ran some other searches I knew worked before (like linus's first linux announcement on comp.os.minix), it's gone [07:28]
asciilifeform the 'polygraph', as the name implies, combines several instruments (eeg, ekg, conductometer) [07:28]
decimation to be fair, there is some science in the sense that it detects parasympathetic activation [07:29]
asciilifeform that is the apparatus pictured in the photo [07:29]
decimation but the problem is this has nothing to do with truthsaying [07:29]
mircea_popescu joecool funny how that goes, right ? [07:29]
asciilifeform about the same thing that hot coals ordeal has to do with 'truth.' [07:29]
decimation as asciilifeform mentioned in the past the operative effect is to filter for 'cold' psychopaths [07:29]
decimation or at least very meek and compliant folks [07:30]
asciilifeform and in general for folks who don't give a flying fuck [07:30]
mircea_popescu ;) [07:30]
asciilifeform or those with naturally 'immobile' vital signs [07:30]
asciilifeform etc. [07:30]
joecool mircea_popescu: i'm just surprised nobody else wrote about it, i doubt they get huge volume searching for things, but still, nothing mentioned about it [07:30]
mircea_popescu news at 11 : good pokerface is good pokerface. [07:30]
asciilifeform incidentally, you don't need the jailed quack to 'study lie detector' [07:30]
mircea_popescu joecool this is my broader point. a stupid language deserves its own stupidity. [07:30]
asciilifeform fiddybucks buys you all the components, in a manageable pocket size. [07:30]
mircea_popescu english is in this sense quite stupid. [07:30]
asciilifeform ask 'biofeedback' aficionados. [07:31]
decimation there is probably some amusement to be had in experimenting with such things [07:31]
asciilifeform decimation: there are folks who do it for a hobby. [07:31]
asciilifeform [07:32]
asciilifeform ^ ancient backup of 'sixteen volts', kokkarinen's first site. [07:32]
decimation from the senior usg 'stendartendfurher's [07:32]
asciilifeform nm, borked [07:32]
mircea_popescu ddos ? [07:33]
asciilifeform nah, just incomplete [07:33]
asciilifeform there is a mostly full one. somewhere. [07:33]
decimation from the senior usg Standartenführer's point of view, the polygraph is an ideal device to filter the workforce into compliant sheep and stone cold thugs [07:33]
mircea_popescu The brilliant Finnish-Canadian computer science professor / blogger Ilkka Kokkarinen has taken down his popular blog, presumably to keep his job after his campus newspaper noticed his heterodox views. His skepticism about the intellectual consistency of lesbian-feminist theory and practice would appear to have been his biggest crime. [07:34]
mircea_popescu lmao [07:34]
mircea_popescu "After being alerted by The Ryersonian, computer science chair, Alireza Sadeghian said the department neither accepts nor condones Kokkarinen’s views." [07:34]
decimation right, we need to get him here [07:34]
mircea_popescu wait. how does a computing dept accept or not accept views in other fields ? [07:34]
decimation maybe he can port bitcoind to forth [07:34]
mircea_popescu like... does the geography department accept grammar ? [07:35]
mircea_popescu what sort of ignarous barbarity is this! [07:35]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: was taken to политотдел. [07:35]
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mircea_popescu !up nacci [07:35]
asciilifeform [07:35]
-assbot- You voiced nacci for 30 minutes. [07:35]
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asciilifeform afaik the only copy on the net. [07:36]
nacci hey [07:36]
asciilifeform (presently) [07:36]
asciilifeform (note, this is 'sixteen volts,' his early site. not 'fourth checkraise') [07:36]
mircea_popescu Clearly, Professor Kokkarinen was naive to use his own name when he switched his blog from Finnish to English <<< mp considers just how great his power is. [07:37]
mircea_popescu i switched from romanian to english jus' fine. [07:37]
mircea_popescu ello nacci. who're you ? [07:37]
nacci just another bloke [07:38]
decimation mircea_popescu: to be fair, you didn't have a tenured position in a nato colony [07:38]
mircea_popescu but... wait. i make more than whatever tenured prof makes. [07:38]
mircea_popescu and i can read, just like him. [07:39]
mircea_popescu how is this comparison against me ? [07:39]
decimation heh yeah that's why he needs to be here [07:39]
decimation you see, he has 'loyalty' [07:39]
decimation I guess [07:39]
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mircea_popescu and i dare think if he had a tenured position this would have been a non issue [07:39]
mircea_popescu since that's what tenure is. "o you don't like me ? fuck you and get lost." [07:39]
decimation well that's a good point, he probably didn't [07:39]
asciilifeform tenure doesn't actually exist in angloworld now. [07:39]
asciilifeform any more than property. [07:39]
decimation tenure exists if you are willing to push the multicult [07:39]
asciilifeform (it being a kind of property right, traditionally - fat surprise.) [07:40]
nacci nepotism trumps tenure [07:40]
mircea_popescu decimation for the record, as one coming from an actually multicultural world, i am both offended at the misuse of the term and would pray you don't discard an actually superior mode of human life [07:40]
decimation heh [07:40]
mircea_popescu just because some fucktarded barbarians in a colony think that cowboys in sheets = latins. [07:40]
asciilifeform 'Physicist Steven Jones, who first pointed to the use of thermite in the destruction of the two towers had to agree to having his university buy out his tenure or his university was faced with losing all federal financing.' << example from herr orlov. ( ) [07:40]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i tell you, if i was the provost i wouldn't have made the offer. [07:41]
mircea_popescu let the fucking feds cut off financing. [07:41]
mircea_popescu this is like, russian orthodox church vs tsarate already. [07:41]
asciilifeform and recall how that went. [07:41]
mircea_popescu so what if it did ? [07:41]
asciilifeform obligatory: [07:42]
asciilifeform !s solzhenitsyn axe [07:42]
assbot 4 results for 'solzhenitsyn axe' : [07:42]
mircea_popescu fuck that. the freedom you like is built on a certain kind of disinterest in effects. [07:42]
asciilifeform except everyone, i think, knows this [07:42]
asciilifeform swinging the axe - another matter altogether. [07:43]
mircea_popescu i guess. [07:43]
mircea_popescu i dun see it. [07:43]
mircea_popescu nothing easier in the world than "fuck you and get lost." [07:43]
mircea_popescu srsly. [07:43]
asciilifeform notable historical case study is treblinka uprising [07:43]
asciilifeform notable for being the only major one inside the barbed wire [07:43]
asciilifeform (unless counting warsaw ghetto) [07:44]
mircea_popescu or in the cinematic version, [07:44]
asciilifeform iirc, the magic ingredient - no women [07:44]
mircea_popescu funny how that goes huh ? [07:44]
asciilifeform aha. [07:44]
mircea_popescu so now... tell me. did it matter how fucking pretty the women were ? [07:45]
asciilifeform nein. only that they were already dead. [07:45]
mircea_popescu whether young or old ? slutty or annyoing ? big tits or small ? pert or loose ? [07:45]
mircea_popescu did not. exactly. [07:45]
mircea_popescu in some circumstances, listening to the women is a bad idea. [07:45]
asciilifeform the way historians seem to present it, it was less 'listening' and more 'no hostages' [07:46]
asciilifeform when 'they'll xxx my mother, sister, wife' - folks hesitate to swing axe [07:46]
mircea_popescu hostages ? someone has to first care [07:46]
asciilifeform when mother, sister, wife - buried - they swing axe with the grace of ballet dancer. [07:46]
mircea_popescu caring has its place. that place is not "everywhere all the time" [07:47]
* asciilifeform was not in treblinka, knows only what the contemporaries saw fit to write down [07:47]
asciilifeform the folks blessed with the talent of 'not care' on-demand - probably tended to not end up behind the wire in the first place. [07:48]
mircea_popescu myeah. [07:49]
mircea_popescu and the folk that muck a hand the moment it can't win don't tend to end up in the bottom half of the poker tourney either. [07:49]
asciilifeform see also (solely for the quote from seagrave's 'castaways') [07:50]
asciilifeform esp. last paragraph. [07:51]
* asciilifeform has the book, it is lovely [07:51]
asciilifeform recommends especially to BingoBoingo [07:51]
asciilifeform and other aspiring 'mad maxes' [07:52]
asciilifeform err, e. leslie [07:53]
asciilifeform (seagrave wrote only foreword) [07:53]
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ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: bitcoind stop detatch? [07:59]
ben_vulpes i'm digging, but hints would be lovely [07:59]
asciilifeform [08:00]
cazalla [08:00]
assbot Coinbase Seeking A Risk Investigator | [08:00]
asciilifeform ^ ilkka's book. mutilated but readable. [08:00]
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ben_vulpes cloudflare now preventing me from getting at [08:04]
ben_vulpes watch it come back without any reference to detachdb... [08:04]
ben_vulpes is there an mirror anywhere? [08:05]
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RagnarDanneskjol [08:08]
assbot Index of / [08:08]
ben_vulpes (just paranoia i suppose) [08:09]
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mircea_popescu cazalla BingoBoingo others : ok, i *think* the bad routing thing may be fixed. [08:13]
mircea_popescu pls to let me know furiously if more further problems later on. [08:13]
cazalla mircea_popescu, working again here [08:13]
ben_vulpes << for lulz [08:15]
assbot Bitcoin Detachdb | Bitcoin P2sh [08:15]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes : "Explanation of -detachdb (and the new “stop true” RPC command): The Berkeley DB database library stores data in both “.dat” and “log” files, so the database is always in a consistent state, even in case of power failure or other sudden shutdown. The format of the “.dat” files is portable between different versions of Berkeley DB, but the “log” files are not– even minor version differ [08:17]
mircea_popescu ences may have incompatible “log” files. The -detachdb option moves any pending changes from the “log” files to the “blkindex.dat” file for maximum compatibility, but makes shutdown much slower. Note that the “wallet.dat” file is always detached, and versions prior to 0.6.0 detached all databases at shutdown." [08:17]
mircea_popescu turns out this is a moot consideration in your case. [08:17]
ben_vulpes yeeeeeah. [08:18]
ben_vulpes 's what i suspected at least. [08:18]
asciilifeform << herr kokkarinen's 'musings', deturdified. [08:19]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform ty for that. [08:19]
ben_vulpes lovely asciilifeform [08:19]
asciilifeform this is the book, which was a 'best of' (in his view) of his last site, 'fourth checkraise.' [08:19]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: ever considered releasing asylum as a pay-per-dl? [08:19]
mircea_popescu to compete with the current, "free" ? [08:20]
asciilifeform l0l [08:20]
mircea_popescu << click 1st link. [08:20]
assbot I wrote a book… pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [08:20]
ben_vulpes trilema credits are free nao? [08:20]
asciilifeform i think they want the cover & the turkish bubblegum smell. [08:20]
* ben_vulpes shrugs [08:20]
mircea_popescu "free" yo. not free. [08:20]
ben_vulpes if the author endorsed approach is to copy the damn thing off his website... [08:21]
mircea_popescu anyway, your pay-per-dl comes to like 2k satoshi if you do it in one go, or else free if you take what was it, 5 weeks. [08:21]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes what are you trying to accomplish ? [08:21]
RagnarDanneskjol its actually being circulated among some hollyweird people at present fyi [08:22]
ben_vulpes i'm actually thinking about bitcoin databases so nothing w/r/t asylum [08:22]
ben_vulpes honestly i'd just rather have it on my kindle than flip through whatever's in the mail [08:22]
mircea_popescu meh, i dun wanna support x or y's closed platform. [08:23]
ben_vulpes "versions prior to 0.6.0 detached all databases at shutdown." << explains hilariously slow shutdowns [08:24]
asciilifeform how often does a sane person shut down 'bitcoind' anyway? [08:24]
asciilifeform next, what, want fast reactor shutdowns? [08:24]
mircea_popescu "shut down" [08:24]
mircea_popescu didn't you shut yours down a number of times ? [08:24]
asciilifeform for debuggery - aye [08:25]
mircea_popescu /alias shutdown kill -9 [08:25]
asciilifeform incidentally this is why a correctly-implemented blockchain db is isomorphic to a 'journalling' file system. [08:25]
mircea_popescu im not sure why bdb is trying to be both [08:26]
asciilifeform so that 'kill -9'-style death is always the correct behaviour. [08:26]
asciilifeform and in no case can result in inconsistent state [08:26]
ben_vulpes in any event i've gotten the thing to 240000 [08:26]
ben_vulpes i'll be quite amused if i fail to wedge it [08:26]
asciilifeform what's it running on? [08:27]
ben_vulpes mod6 is perusing the tens of thousands of lines of excised code [08:27]
ben_vulpes debian on some virtualization layer [08:27]
asciilifeform ah, wai, wat [08:27]
asciilifeform excised what? [08:27]
asciilifeform tens thousands lines? [08:27]
ben_vulpes i exaggerate [08:27]
ben_vulpes :P [08:27]
mircea_popescu "The only thing women clearly do better without men is raise the next generation of criminals." [08:29]
mircea_popescu bwahhha ok not bad. [08:29]
asciilifeform herr kokkarinen made a point never to write an essay more than 1 paragraph or so in length. [08:29]
asciilifeform whole thing can be 'eaten' in an evening. [08:30]
* mircea_popescu is apparently of the opposing school. [08:30]
mircea_popescu i remember the times i could say an article in five pages [08:31]
mircea_popescu vaguely. [08:31]
asciilifeform why ilkka did this - i do not know. some necromancer here can perhaps resurrect him and ask. [08:31]
mircea_popescu if you take the 94 million kulaks, capitalists, dissidents and other groups of people that socialists murdered in the twentieth century, and punch the numbers into a calculator, the average number of victims per hour equals almost exactly the one-hour kill count of Anders Breivik. Just imagine how absurd it would be if, instead of being captured and neutralized, Anders were simply allowed to keep killing people day and [08:32]
mircea_popescu night until the twenty-second century dawns. And yet such an absurdity practically defined the twentieth century. [08:32]
mircea_popescu "socialism doesn't kill people" :D [08:32]
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assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00042212 / 0.00043058 / 0.00044033 (585026 shares, 251.91 BTC), 7D: 0.00036402 / 0.0005235 / 0.00065245 (7865451 shares, 4,117.57 BTC), 30D: 0.00036402 / 0.00066873 / 0.00081111 (23548921 shares, 15,748.02 BTC) [08:50]
BingoBoingo [08:52]
assbot This Onion, It Smells: Inherent Hazards of the Tor Network | [08:52]
ben_vulpes have 0.5.3 blockchains at 240001; interested researchers may request links. [08:53]
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assbot Tor: This Onion Smells - Slashdot [09:20]
* fluffypony stretches [09:25]
BingoBoingo How's Rhodesia? [09:26]
fluffypony still in the USA [09:26]
fluffypony flying to LA tomorrow, sleep over one night, then back to SA on Monday via Dubai [09:26]
BingoBoingo Ah, cool. [09:27]
fluffypony Vegas was fun, saw the Blue Man Group for the first time and they were awesome [09:28]
fluffypony also the production quality on La Rêve was insane [09:28]
BingoBoingo Vegas, where entertainers never really die... until they... actually die [09:28]
fluffypony lol yeah [09:29]
BingoBoingo Well, their choices are what? Vegas or Branson? [09:30]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH2] 2083 @ 0.0012 = 2.4996 BTC [09:32]
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BingoBoingo << lulz [10:17]
assbot reptillians on earth - YouTube [10:17]
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mircea_popescu ben_vulpes so it passed wedgespot ? [10:44]
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assbot As Developers Depart, Google Glass Is Ready To Become This Era’s Segway | TechCrunch [11:59]
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* cazalla was raised a joho [12:08]
cazalla you think bitcoin makes you an outsider, you have nfi [12:09]
cazalla anyway, that is not joho propaganda punkman [12:10]
punkman what'd you expect from CNN [12:12]
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punkman cazalla: did you ever do the door-to-door thing? [12:13]
cazalla punkman, yeah countless times plus fkn wednesday night book study, sunday talks and worse, assemblies [12:13]
punkman pretty rare around here, but I've seen the odd flyer [12:14]
cazalla rare here as well, when i was around, my parents each lost a brother within 6 months so that opened the door for the jws to get their hooks in with the paradise earth bullshit [12:15]
cazalla araound 5 i mean [12:15]
cazalla you know what kicked off us leaving? doom and rise of the triad [12:16]
cazalla once i hit my teens and refused to go and was willing to take a beating if it meant i could play doom, domino effect kicked in and family stopped going [12:17]
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assbot Bernard von NotHaus of Liberty Dollar Has His Motion for Post-Conviction Relief Denied, Will Face Sentencing - Hit & Run : [12:46]
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bitbethelp this bet was resolved incorrectly, 1 sec [12:51]
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assbot BitBet - Republicans win majority of the U.S. Senate :: 1.3 B (58%) on Yes, 0.93 B (42%) on No | closed 1 week 6 days ago [12:52]
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bitbethelp just so you know, dd4btc is a tard [12:57]
bitbethelp [13:00]
assbot Open Port Check Tool - Test Port Forwarding on Your Router [13:00]
bitbethelp interesting way assbot is using to cloak its ip [13:00]
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BingoBoingo ;;isup [13:06]
gribble is down [13:06]
BingoBoingo Oh well. It was a good run. [13:06]
thestringpuller what happened? [13:09]
thestringpuller are they ddosing the drinking record? [13:09]
BingoBoingo Sure, but no big [13:09]
BingoBoingo Uptime is what it is [13:10]
thestringpuller you haven't gone to bed yet? [13:10]
thestringpuller dat uptime [13:10]
BingoBoingo I'm up learly today [13:10]
BingoBoingo !up bitbethelp [13:10]
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bitbethelp fivezerotwo here fyi [13:11]
BingoBoingo Ah [13:11]
cazalla bitbethelp, you misrepresented yourself to me [13:12]
bitbethelp cazalla, correct! this is what /b/tards would call "social engineering" [13:12]
bitbethelp herpderp [13:13]
cazalla to what end? you didn't gain anything [13:13]
thestringpuller << hey look thermos is well being thermos [13:13]
punkman bitbethelp: are you also the guy that claimed to have a bitbet hack a while back? [13:13]
bitbethelp cazalla, nor did I lose anything. it's not about the attempts where you don't get anything, but the attempts you succeed. [13:13]
bitbethelp punkman: no [13:14]
cazalla bitbethelp, well, you're 0 for what must be 1000+ attempts to get paid at this point [13:14]
bitbethelp cazalla, lol [13:15]
thestringpuller the only way to get paid in this channel is to do work :P [13:15]
bitbethelp say one line and you can mislead people on your intent [13:16]
bitbethelp here's a tip: people who want to get paid send along an address, like that dd4bc tard [13:16]
punkman guess the lulz are payment enough [13:17]
cazalla beggars can't be choosers [13:18]
punkman [13:19]
assbot The four F's. [13:19]
bitbethelp ;;isup [13:20]
gribble is up [13:20]
bitbethelp nope, it isn't [13:20]
bitbethelp so, cazalla, what's your plan on running qntra when it's going to be down 7x24 if it gets any sort of traction? [13:23]
cazalla bitbethelp, having a beer, cunt! [13:23]
bitbethelp when operating a website you need to consider advanced persistent threats, such as yours truly [13:23]
cazalla bitbethelp, you give me the excuse i need to drink so have at it [13:23]
bitbethelp lel [13:23]
BingoBoingo Qntra really doesn't look down at all from here [13:23]
cazalla you're not a threat, you're are like the buzzing of flies [13:23]
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bitbethelp BingoBoingo, you're the very minority [13:24]
cazalla you best find other targets bitbethelp [13:24]
punkman mpex is a much better target [13:24]
bitbethelp punkman, why so, it's used by 10 people tops [13:25]
cazalla why would anyone pay you to stop then bitbethelp ? [13:25]
bitbethelp cazalla, why do you still have this assumption i'm trying to extort you into paying me? [13:26]
cazalla than why are you doing this? [13:26]
cazalla then even [13:26]
cazalla see what you made me do bitbethelp, you made me drink all this beer [13:26]
bitbethelp maybe you could pay me to find out, lel [13:26]
cazalla do you take paypal? [13:27]
bitbethelp sec [13:27]
mircea_popescu * cazalla was raised a joho << o.O [13:27]
cazalla mircea_popescu, didn't mean i had to believe it [13:28]
mircea_popescu i never met one b4. [13:29]
mircea_popescu bitbethelp> cazalla, nor did I lose anything. it's not about the attempts where you don't get anything, but the attempts you succeed. << what is this fucktardry, srsly. [13:30]
bitbethelp every successful attack takes lots of attempts, some fruitless [13:31]
* mircea_popescu shrugs. [13:32]
mircea_popescu punkbot lol mating. apparently, every successful writing takes lots of attempts, some of which are... muitless. [13:33]
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manamex BingoBoingo thanks [13:43]
BingoBoingo Sup? [13:43]
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manamex new here, reading logs [14:02]
BingoBoingo Cool [14:06]
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mircea_popescu i always wondered what % of "operations" end when group #1 doing "undercover work" catches group #2. [14:43]
punkman indeed [14:44]
BingoBoingo I have to assume that's most of what they do now. [14:49]
mircea_popescu must suck lol [14:51]
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* asciilifeform was going to link jurov to kalman reti's film about smbx machine, but noticed that it was recently censored. [21:04]
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asciilifeform aha. [21:05]
asciilifeform it is by no means a complete picture, but gives the general idea. [21:05]
asciilifeform (who censored it, and why? i'd love to know) [21:05]
mircea_popescu uh ? what's missing ? [21:06]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the film linked in an old post of mine: [21:06]
assbot Loper OS » Kalman Reti, the Last Symbolics Developer, Speaks of Lisp Machines. [21:06]
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asciilifeform ^ mirror [21:11]
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mircea_popescu ^ titles are not enough for me! [22:19]
assbot Actual Bitcoin corporations (ABCs) versus fiat-based frauds trying to masquerade as Bitcoin companies (while masquerading as companies in the first place) on the solid theory that the general public is too stupid to make any difference, this one included, and on the flimsy theory that the general public matters in Bitcoin (FBF-TTMABC-WMACITFP-OTSTTTGPITSTMAD-TOI-AOTFTTTGPMIBs, alphabets for short). pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea P [22:19]
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Apocalyptic [23:00]
assbot Shtetl-Optimized » Blog Archive » What does the NSA think of academic cryptographers? Recently-declassified document provides clues [23:00]
thomas_d ;;eregister thomas_d BBE4FD4CC1083523 [23:01]
gribble Error: Could not retrieve your key from keyserver. Either it isn't there, or it is invalid. [23:01]
asciilifeform Apocalyptic: the paper in question is not only of 20 yrs. vintage, but officially released (not in any sense leaked) [23:04]
mircea_popescu lol not bad. [23:04]
asciilifeform Apocalyptic: hence, i'd take with 'grain of salt' [23:04]
Apocalyptic asciilifeform, noted [23:04]
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asciilifeform 'Desmedt referred to a letter written by Marty Hellman criticizing NIST. I had all but forgotten about Hellman; he has not been active on cryptologic scene in many years, and I've always had doubts about his moral principles (by contrast, I regard Rivest as being above all this dirt).' [23:07]
asciilifeform l0l! [23:07]
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chetty Hellman caught them with their pants down didn't he? [23:09]
thomas_d ;;eregister thomas_d BBE4FD4CC1083523 [23:09]
gribble Error: Could not retrieve your key from keyserver. Either it isn't there, or it is invalid. [23:09]
thomas_d Do you usually need to wait a little while after exporting cert to server? [23:10]
thomas_d I just did it about 30 seconds ago [23:10]
thomas_d ;;eregister thomas_d BBE4FD4CC1083523 [23:10]
gribble Error: Could not retrieve your key from keyserver. Either it isn't there, or it is invalid. [23:10]
xanthyos thomas_d: do it in PM so it doesn't congest the chat [23:11]
xanthyos bagels7 had the same error i think [23:11]
mircea_popescu thomas_d bout an hour or so [23:12]
thomas_d cool [23:12]
thomas_d I should introduce myself anyway my name is thomas dick I'm a noob [23:12]
Apocalyptic Do you usually need to wait a little while after exporting cert to server? // yes you do [23:12]
mircea_popescu your name seriously is dick ? [23:12]
asciilifeform chetty: i've found the letter in question: [23:13]
assbot The Risks Digest Volume 12: Issue 63 [23:13]
Apocalyptic give it 1-2 hours [23:13]
thomas_d dick is my middle name [23:13]
xanthyos heh [23:13]
thomas_d but I go by thomas dick [23:13]
mircea_popescu lol [23:13]
thomas_d are there any regulations/guidelines on the chatting here, or anything goes? [23:15]
kakobrekla so what do you do thomas? [23:15]
thomas_d can't see anything in the topic [23:15]
thomas_d I'm in an entry-level IT position [23:15]
mircea_popescu well the general idea is to spend a while reading the logs [23:15]
asciilifeform thomas_d: programmer ? [23:15]
mircea_popescu then this and such questions tend to answer themselves. [23:15]
thomas_d nah service desk [23:16]
thomas_d networks [23:16]
mircea_popescu "Don Beaver (Penn State), in another era, would have been a spellbinding charismatic preacher; young, dashing (he still wears a pony-tail), self-confident and glib, he has captured from Silvio Micali the leadership of the philosophic wing of the U.S. East Coast cryptanalytic community." [23:16]
mircea_popescu here's a q for you asciilifeform : if i were the big bad and you were my officer in charge of fucking nerdcore up, and the strategy was, "inject a person whom on the basis of sheer animal magnetism can be used to steer things ways", [23:17]
mircea_popescu would you hire a man or a woman for this task ? [23:17]
asciilifeform depends on the designated chumps, no? [23:17]
mircea_popescu supposing you have a person printing machine, can make them up to spec. [23:17]
asciilifeform what'd a 'nerdcore' anyway [23:17]
mircea_popescu well, the designated chumps, "the U.S. East Coast cryptanalytic community" [23:17]
mircea_popescu a nerdcore is roughly what "academia" is : adding words to specified idiocy to make it palatable. it's not a buncha derps, because CORE. [23:18]
asciilifeform not being one of the designated chumps in question, i'd ask for a subverted greybeard. but i am not a doctor of chumpatronics, and may be naive here. [23:19]
mircea_popescu uh. how'd that work ? [23:19]
asciilifeform e.g. schneier [23:19]
xanthyos a person printing machine like from kafka's "in the penal colony" [23:19]
mircea_popescu ~ on the basis of sheer animal magnetism ~ [23:20]
mircea_popescu gotta stick to the strat yo. [23:20]
asciilifeform i'd have picked him based on his 'street cred' from his service in the '90s crypto wars [23:20]
mircea_popescu but thats out of scope. [23:20]
asciilifeform if question specifically concerns 'animal magnetism' - difficult to answer. most of the chumpatronic work involved, i doubt would win from this stratagem. i, for instance, have never (to my knowledge) been within musket distance of a live cryptographer (of whatever variety) [23:21]
mircea_popescu but we are discussing the nerdcore. [23:21]
mircea_popescu you know, like bitcoincore. [23:22]
asciilifeform ergo i need to be chumped with paper [23:22]
asciilifeform and how many of these chumps are chumped in a lecture hall, and not with paper? [23:22]
mircea_popescu i think most. [23:22]
asciilifeform seriously? [23:22]
asciilifeform how many of the 'tardstalk' folks have seen gavin alive [23:22]
mircea_popescu the reason the remnant is so insistent on "real world" vs "trolls" perhaps follows a simple calculation [23:22]
asciilifeform i, for example, don't even know what he looks like [23:22]
mircea_popescu "we have a this which works and a that which sort-of works and is more expensive" [23:23]
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mircea_popescu i would bet you 100% have. [23:23]
mircea_popescu no exceptions. [23:23]
asciilifeform well, not knowingly [23:23]
mircea_popescu << this, incidentally, is whom "leadership" was captured...from. [23:23]
asciilifeform for all i know, lizard hitler rides elevator with me every day [23:23]
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mircea_popescu so basically, not your kind of job ? [23:24]
asciilifeform unfortunately not. [23:24]
asciilifeform although, now that you mention it, [23:24]
asciilifeform reading the ancient 'cryptolog', i can almost hear a tone of voice [23:24]
mircea_popescu you can can't you. [23:24]
asciilifeform and it sounds very much like certain other persons [23:24]
mircea_popescu this is how the fucking problem with "releases" go. [23:25]
mircea_popescu it is functionally impossible to make a release that works for *any* evnetual readers. [23:25]
xanthyos ;;gettrust thomas_d [23:25]
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asciilifeform it isn't even 'cold psychopath' or the like. it is the basic tone of voice of the 'mean gurlz' who are, between sentences, cackling at the 'goodies' their gurlz club is privy to [23:25]
asciilifeform vs. the chumpers [23:25]
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asciilifeform now that this came up, i will say that i have seen this alive [23:26]
asciilifeform as in, actual (former) friends who took up the cloak of the beast, and their patterns of speech actually changed. [23:27]
asciilifeform similar to how men who have sat in russian prison, have detectably characteristic patterns of speech [23:27]
asciilifeform specifically not speaking of vocabulary or idiomatisms here [23:27]
asciilifeform but patterns. [23:27]
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mircea_popescu heh. [23:29]
asciilifeform at any rate, i can imagine only with great difficulty that a usg cryptologist of any actual stature (that is, creator of, or even privy to, a 'crown jewel') would be permitted to make public so much as a newspaper ad for a dog walker, much less a document pertaining to his profession. [23:31]
asciilifeform (an internal report marked 'confidential' should be regarded as a public document for the purpose of this statement.) [23:31]
asciilifeform 'confidential' is the lowest level of classification in usg. [23:31]
asciilifeform about on par with a receipt for pizza at the office. [23:31]
mircea_popescu ok, let me put this in a different light. [23:32]
asciilifeform the author is likely an 'outer circle' man. [23:33]
mircea_popescu out of the 100k or so academics trudging for us-academia-wot, how many are likely to publish their research like i do, on trilema, just like that ? [23:33]
asciilifeform kept around, permitted to work on problems in his circle of interests among his own kind, but generally kept away from anything 'jewel'-like. [23:33]
mircea_popescu not a matter of "permitted" per se. [23:33]
asciilifeform us-academia or 'intelligence komyoonity' ? [23:34]
asciilifeform rather different animals [23:34]
asciilifeform (similar in some interesting ways, but kept in separate tanks at the zoo) [23:34]
mircea_popescu separate but identical ? [23:34]
asciilifeform i have personally only taken a swim in the larger tank, the former [23:35]
asciilifeform cannot speak for the smaller tank [23:35]
asciilifeform but among generic u.s. mathemasturbators, unaffiliated with nsa et al, it is quite common to post 'preprints' on www. [23:36]
mircea_popescu anonymously ? [23:37]
asciilifeform no, on their official university www, typically [23:38]
asciilifeform often, even now, as 'postscript' turds [23:38]
mircea_popescu so in short : people who make their living cutting beards are not likely to be seen cutting beards outside of the place where this pays. [23:38]
asciilifeform well, they also tend to use their barbershops as homes. in the sense that many academics keep personal blog-type material on the same site. [23:39]
asciilifeform (herr kokkarinen, before anyone asks, did not) [23:39]
asciilifeform example: [23:40]
asciilifeform ^ met very briefly in meatspace [23:40]
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mircea_popescu << srsly ? [23:40]
mircea_popescu a much better caption would be minsky with his eyes closed. [23:41]
asciilifeform lol [23:41]
asciilifeform i think that actually hangs in the hall where he works. [23:41]
mircea_popescu manamex: got worned by bitbethelp everyone on this channel gets dosed << lol we're speshul. [23:45]
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