Forum logs for 17 Nov 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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nubbins` right? [03:39]
nubbins` anyway canada post says tomorrow, but i don't think a package is gonna get from a sort facility in nyc to your door in a day [03:39]
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nubbins` o hi [03:40]
nubbins` duod yuor website is borken [03:40]
mircea_popescu it's not broken for me!11 [03:40]
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nubbins` heh. [03:41]
nubbins` "my roof isn't on fire here in the basement! [03:41]
mircea_popescu i guess we get to know what solipsism really is. turns out mp really doesn't give a shit as long as he himself can see his website. [03:41]
nubbins` the solipsistic soliloquist [03:41]
mircea_popescu if you wanna pm me an ip i can whitelist it. [03:41]
nubbins` a polimedia venture [03:41]
nubbins` guess i'll see what sort of lease i get on these things [03:42]
mircea_popescu nubbins` i guess the tarpitting may be too aggrssive at the edges or w/e. anyway. anyone else want whitelisted lemme know. [03:44]
mircea_popescu decimation: "NSA as an institution, however has become a TQM believer, born again in the gospel of Deming" <<< im not even sure anyone groks the botomless pit of lulz this otherwise truthful statement contains. [03:45]
mircea_popescu where is your lizzard hitler nao, asciilifeform ? [03:45]
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BingoBoingo Probably sunning himself on some rocks, like lizard hitler does [03:47]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform: 'build $widget-prime and try to pass off to chumpers as genuine $widget' <<< what else is the 80/20 software engineering approach than "build 80% of a functional program out of 20% of the budget and then try to pretend like we're selling it for "half price" ? [03:47]
mircea_popescu meanwhile after 20 iterations of this, one every year and a half, [03:48]
mircea_popescu ;;calc .8 ** 20 [03:48]
gribble 0.0115292150461 [03:48]
mircea_popescu o look! one percent! [03:48]
mircea_popescu and you know what the best part of it is ? meanwhile inflation... [03:49]
mircea_popescu ;;calc .2 ** 20 [03:49]
gribble 0 [03:49]
mircea_popescu ahem. i mean. [03:49]
mircea_popescu ;;calc .5 ** 20 [03:49]
gribble 9.53674316406e-07 [03:49]
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mircea_popescu o look! we can print 10 million dollars to the dollar and inflation is pretty much even! because reasons! [03:49]
mircea_popescu meanwhile corporate profits... [03:49]
mircea_popescu ;;calc .5 ** 20 / .2 ** 20 [03:49]
gribble 90949470.1773 [03:49]
mircea_popescu whoa look at the corporate profits!11 wall street is best street! [03:50]
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mircea_popescu and so today you can buy an icecream cone like you could in the 80s, except : that it is "the same icecream" that's 1% icecream, that you buy it for "the same dollars" that have been inflated 10mn to one and that all this allowed imaginary profits nobody can spent to be safely stored where such things are usually stored : fort knox, the social security, people's pensions... [03:51]
nubbins` pensions are so 20th century [03:53]
mircea_popescu defo. [03:53]
nubbins` i expect to see them vanish as a concern in my lifetime [03:53]
mircea_popescu well they're only hanging by the thread of pretense as it is. [03:53]
nubbins` not even that, in many cases [03:53]
mircea_popescu like those slumlord fire hidrants, they're red and they're safelt there [03:53]
mircea_popescu for as long as no fires. [03:54]
nubbins` there have been several "take half your pension or take none of it [03:54]
nubbins` " type situations in these parts, the past couple years [03:54]
mircea_popescu orly ? [03:54]
mircea_popescu links ? [03:54]
nubbins` maybe still winding thru arbitration. i'll dig [03:54]
nubbins` ok this was actually a couple years ago [03:57]
nubbins` [03:57]
nubbins` govt coffers in a bad way as well: [03:58]
nubbins` and federally: [03:58]
mircea_popescu o.O [03:58]
mircea_popescu interesting. [03:58]
mircea_popescu i didn't know it actually got THIS bad. [03:59]
nubbins` same outlook as social insurance (social security for yanqis), but from a different angle [03:59]
nubbins` "well if my old-age pension won't be there, at least i'll have my... uh.." [04:00]
mircea_popescu reddit account. [04:00]
mircea_popescu full of reddit gld. [04:00]
nubbins` heh [04:01]
nubbins` at least we've got our natural resourc...OH FUCK [04:02]
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thestringpuller mircea_popescu: where is your announcement that happened in nov - dec 2012 saying you were selling more shares of MPOE on MPEx? [04:04]
thestringpuller it was slightly before the "MPOE is likely monetizing itself" article [04:04]
nubbins` "Provincial budgeting has been off by an average of $800 million a year over the past seven years, largely due to inaccurate oil projections." [04:05]
mircea_popescu just read the mpex category neh ? [04:05]
thestringpuller i will when butthurt ddoser decides to stop ruining the nice things for us [04:05]
nubbins` he's outta credits [04:05]
nubbins` incidentally, my trilema cookie was the one thing i didn't save when i wiped this machine [04:05]
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thestringpuller i backed my trilema cookie up via gpg on a bunch of sites like dropbox [04:06]
thestringpuller since I lost it twice in 2012 [04:07]
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asciilifeform pension << 'the last bullet health'n'life-insurance-and-pension co.' [04:11]
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asciilifeform lizard hitler << at 'meta-nsa' naturally, where else [04:11]
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asciilifeform (for folks who want a more 'upbeat' figure as an example for a leaf of living matter inside bureaucratic garbage compactor - try korolev.) [04:13]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: incidentally, how does korolev fit in your analysis of 'how much would satan have to pay to be loved' ? [04:14]
mircea_popescu i thought it was "evil governmen t" not stan ? [04:14]
asciilifeform or lev theremin, for that matter [04:14]
asciilifeform satan [04:14]
asciilifeform fact is, we have numerous historic examples of folks who did first-class creative work while prisoners. [04:15]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller try nao ? [04:15]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform myeah. it doesn't fit. [04:16]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: so it would follow that usg has a model recipe to follow. [04:17]
asciilifeform all it has to do is 'supply the chicken' [04:17]
mircea_popescu yes. the man who wants to make woman cheese has a recipe to follow : [04:17]
mircea_popescu whether this is workable or not is in the end their problem. [04:17]
asciilifeform !b 2 [04:18]
xanthyos woah wtf [04:18]
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thestringpuller oh boy stuff is loading! [04:18]
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mircea_popescu in the end the whole discussion neatly reduces to whether men are more like cows or more like mice. [04:20]
mircea_popescu xanthyos if you ever want to get a militant feminist rabid, tell her to stop bitching about dairy farm conditions, it's just patriarchy's dry run for her and her kind. [04:22]
mircea_popescu that usually keeps them for a good half hour. [04:22]
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decimation excellent! [04:27]
decimation << another amusing gem [04:28]
decimation asciilifeform: "supply chicken" << I get the general impression that the 'chicken' volunteers [04:31]
decimation I'm not really sure usg even knows how to 'supply' [04:31]
decimation as a gradually larger portion of the 'sane class' in the us begins to perceive usg as more of an enemy than a friend, I suspect the quality of 'chicken' will degrade further. [04:32]
xanthyos mircea_popescu: it's a shame you're not on twitter anymore with that content [04:33]
mircea_popescu decimation it is usually how it works in practice. [04:34]
mircea_popescu mind that the fact that it so works in practice is no actual proof. [04:34]
mircea_popescu for all we know, it is *possible* it dun happen this time. wink wink. [04:34]
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decimation [04:36]
decimation I suspect that pre-snowden, this kind of thing rarely happened [04:36]
assbot Video shows two men's confrontation with NSA recruiter at UNM | [04:36]
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asciilifeform decimation: lol!! [04:39]
asciilifeform where is my nsa beating!? [04:40]
decimation another lol << "“We need to recruit from Snowden’s generation,” admitted former CIA and NSA director Michael Hayden last July. “The challenge is how to recruit this talent while also protecting ourselves from the small fraction of the population that has this romantic attachment to absolute transparency at all costs.”" [04:40]
assbot How the NSA Recruits in a Post-Snowden World - The Daily Beast [04:41]
* asciilifeform watched, disappointed, no beating [04:41]
undata tut tut, hapless romantics [04:41]
decimation yeah the actual video is pretty lame [04:41]
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decimation annoy the shit out of some gov't clerk, he lashes out, news at 11 [04:41]
asciilifeform 'why did you choose to come and heckle a government agency, which is honestly trying to recruit?!' [04:42]
decimation asciilifeform: can you imagine a similar conversation at a soviet university at the kgb recruiting desk? [04:42]
asciilifeform decimation: can you picture a kgb recruiting desk? [04:42]
asciilifeform decimation: this is not how things worked. [04:43]
decimation exactly. Thus, the quality of chicken [04:43]
mircea_popescu "from the small fraction of the population that has this romantic attachment to absolute transparency at all costs." < < the sweetest sugar of etatism, [04:43]
decimation mircea_popescu: he doesn't even realize either [04:43]
mircea_popescu "that people who hate us, in principle, exactly for what we are, are a REALLY small fraction" [04:43]
mircea_popescu well, fatlogic. [04:43]
asciilifeform magic combo of hate + ability + balls, note. small fraction. [04:44]
undata " [04:44]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform not what the man said. [04:44]
undata grrr... bad paste [04:44]
decimation although to be fair, I'm sure in his world as long as he has some poll that implies that 50% of usian support whatever he is planning to do, he would consider it 'legitimate' [04:44]
undata "Potter says he is still deciding if he will press charges for assault." << this is weak [04:45]
asciilifeform usg is an 'oderint, dum metuant' kinda thing. [04:45]
mircea_popescu decimation indeed, up until that point where i make a poll where 200mn vote for him to surgically attach a cow vagina on his forehead [04:45]
mircea_popescu sudenly the entire polling thing won't be as legitimate. [04:45]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform that's nonsense. nobody fears it. [04:46]
mircea_popescu and nobody hates it, either. the usg is widely despised, and in some quarters reviled. [04:46]
decimation << hayden 'in the moment' << "And Michael Hayden goes home after briefing the president and the vice president about his ideas for expanding surveillance and takes a walk with his wife. ... "And when it gets public, it’s going to be very controversial. And the people doing it are going to be swept into this thing.” And [04:47]
decimation she said, “Uh-huh. Is it the right thing to do?” “Yeah, I think so.” She said, “OK, we’ll deal with that when it comes.”" [04:47]
assbot Transcript | United States of Secrets | FRONTLINE | PBS [04:47]
mircea_popescu what'd you want the woman to say. [04:48]
decimation I guess my point is, if you are looking for 'lizard hitler', here he is - a couple of high level derps decide they can 'get away with X' and convince themselves that 'it's the right thing' [04:48]
mircea_popescu this is not what would fill that costume. [04:49]
mircea_popescu in that it's neither a lizard nor hitler. [04:50]
asciilifeform [04:51]
assbot Logged on 15-11-2014 00:54:02; assbot: Logged on 14-11-2014 22:24:42; asciilifeform: (for n00bs only: who is 'lizard hitler' ? a character approximately as real as magnetic field lines were to michael faraday. don't look for magnetic field lines, they aren't there. physically. or as far as we can tell, anyway.) [04:51]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: so anyone know this Khalahan Henkh fellow ? << anyone respond to this? [04:52]
mircea_popescu nope. [04:52]
thestringpuller i think i can get an inquiry with him [04:52]
mircea_popescu that's ok. [04:52]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform ok, but they still have to be... you know, NOT wet pasta. [04:53]
asciilifeform tenure revokes itself, car bombs plant themselves, nailguns - fire themselves, of course. and single-engine airplanes go down regularly for no particular reason. [04:53]
thestringpuller ah. what did you want with the namecoin guy? [04:53]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller i wanted to see if anyone knows him. "can get an inquiry with" is the opposite of that. [04:53]
thestringpuller he's in wot you kno? [04:54]
decimation asciilifeform: if 'lizard hitler' is a physical entity, he's probably not working for usg [04:54]
thestringpuller ;;gettrust khal [04:54]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user khal: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Tue May 10 13:27:55 2011 [04:54]
decimation at least not as an employee [04:54]
asciilifeform employer. [04:54]
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mircea_popescu decimation it'd be the big bad, by definition. it only exists conceptually to accomodate asciilifeform's rampant pareidolia :D [04:55]
asciilifeform at any rate, physical 'hitlers' are not a necessary hypothesis. ussr was perfectly capable of plugging a poor sod on a london bridge with poison umbrella, without competent leadership [04:56]
asciilifeform empire can commit any kind of elaborate crimes without leader. only thing it can't do without leader is - survive in long term [04:56]
asciilifeform but that's a separate puzzle [04:56]
decimation asciilifeform: the best explanation for that kind of thing would be some low-level derp with a hard-on for a particular agenda, who initiates - and the rest of the bureaucracy 'leads from behind' [04:56]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you could say teh plugging with ricin episode was the result of competent kgb leadership neh ? [04:56]
decimation or the polonium? [04:57]
mircea_popescu o hey, beat at it again... [04:57]
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asciilifeform competent leadership in one particular lab - yes [04:57]
mircea_popescu xanthyos what's tinychat ? [04:57]
mircea_popescu jurov: coinbr is getting 30k pingbacks/minute << did it do anything ? [04:58]
mircea_popescu xanthyos: i don't use keybase but my key was generated there <<< "your". [05:00]
decimation at any rate nailguns, cars, polonium, ricin, these smack of a weak sovereign, not a strong one. who asked anyone in the 'chinese government' before they did something in Shanghai circa 1920? [05:02]
mircea_popescu ;;google "can nobody rid me of this insolent priest" [05:03]
gribble Will No One Rid Me Of This Modified Noun-Phrase? | Josh Millard ...: ; Pageant Post Cards: ; Our Anglican Roots: St. Thomas Becket - Free Republic: [05:03]
decimation 'becket' was actually a decent movie [05:04]
asciilifeform public wetwork, chattering newspapers - weak king; private discreet beheading now and again - strong. [05:04]
mircea_popescu it's a much better play. [05:04]
decimation mircea_popescu: which play, the private beheading? [05:05]
mircea_popescu it's a joke i was hoping to get in the bash. [05:05]
mircea_popescu cause samuel, see. [05:05]
asciilifeform this is much like judging restaurant quality by inverse of count of mousetraps. [05:05]
asciilifeform at best, a one-way measure [05:05]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform more like, judging dentist by inverse count of loud screams on the premises ; plastic surgeon by inverse count of lawsuits. [05:06]
mircea_popescu knew a chick that did both, she had superb tits and splendid teeth. [05:06]
asciilifeform or let's try a degenerate case - hassan i sabbah [05:07]
asciilifeform governed entirely by dagger-in-the-night [05:07]
asciilifeform worked well enough. [05:07]
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asciilifeform every little boy wants to be an intelligence chief; but every intelligence chief - wants to be hassan. [05:08]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i think you may be conflating things. guy a) lived on a mountain ; b) among an ethnically opressed majority that he supported ; c) against a technologically advanced foreign power. [05:09]
mircea_popescu the rest's just icing, much like saying "robin hood governed Sherwood County by arrow." [05:09]
mircea_popescu first off, sherwood was a ... wood. [05:09]
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asciilifeform ^ yes [05:10]
xanthyos mircea_popescu: tinychat is a badly coded insecure site where degenerates go on webcam to be codependent alcoholics and prey on underage girls [05:10]
mircea_popescu so basically social media [05:11]
xanthyos if you didn't want to play chess against birdman with that gui i doubt you'd want to load tinychat [05:11]
xanthyos yes [05:11]
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asciilifeform that film of the recruiter monkey parroting nsa verbiage was memorably pathetic [05:14]
asciilifeform what must it be like to be, literally, employed as human tape deck ? [05:14]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform ask diana what's her name, the sec senior counsel chick. [05:16]
mircea_popescu heck, ask obama. [05:16]
decimation asciilifeform: all powers to say things are reserved to the top tier of usg [05:16]
decimation obama has to ask valarie jarret [05:16]
mircea_popescu lol [05:16]
mircea_popescu decimation admire this funny : early frankish kings were physically weak in a world that had but contempt for weaklings. they saw a way out in hiring bodyguards, which was convenient. for charlemagne. [05:17]
mircea_popescu early us kings were intellectually weak, in world that had but contempt for weaklings. they saw a way out in hiring "pr", people to protect them from the deep waters of speech and thought. [05:18]
mircea_popescu which was convenient. for... [05:18]
asciilifeform !b 3 [05:18]
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decimation hehe yeah [05:18]
decimation we await our caesar [05:18]
decimation << " If her role in this administration reflected reality, Jarrett would be called “First Big Sister” to both Michelle and Barack. " [05:19]
assbot Fire Valerie Jarrett - Carol Felsenthal - POLITICO Magazine [05:19]
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decimation I'm pretty sure obama just signs what he is told to sign and reads what he is told to read off the appropriate prompter [05:20]
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asciilifeform [05:21]
assbot Logged on 24-10-2014 04:44:03; asciilifeform: 'At the 1980 Olympics, Brezhnev begins his speech. "O!"—applause. "O!"—an ovation. "O!!!"—the whole audience stands up and applauds. An aide comes running to the podium and whispers, "Leonid Ilyich, those are the Olympic logo rings, you don't need to read all of them!"' [05:21]
decimation [05:22]
assbot Bill Ayers 'confesses' to writing Obama's memoir. He didn't, but his tease tells us a lot about America – Telegraph Blogs [05:22]
decimation the lady doth protest too much [05:23]
asciilifeform i once saw this man alive. [05:23]
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asciilifeform was more or less exactly as i imagined. [05:23]
decimation who Ayers? [05:23]
asciilifeform aha [05:23]
decimation crazy hippie bomber? [05:23]
asciilifeform no [05:23]
asciilifeform 'resistance through culture' as described in mircea_popescu's articles [05:24]
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decimation yeah Obama is pretty much the peak achievement of that 'movement', I don't see much more upside for them [05:24]
* mircea_popescu is confused. [05:25]
decimation mircea_popescu: perhaps I'm wrong, but in the us there is a context of the 'hippie boomer' generation who are all 'retiring' now [05:26]
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mircea_popescu ah [05:26]
decimation obama is their wet dream, in the sense that they have finally overturned (superficiality) "the man's" institutions [05:26]
asciilifeform actually they all entered 'public life' long ago, as the most loathesomely loyal cocksuckers imaginable. [05:27]
decimation in 'public life', they were immediately schooled by fdr's sycophants who were exiting power at the time [05:27]
decimation this is one reason why usg is still fdr's usg (that and the fact that they and their friends razed the world in wwii) [05:29]
thestringpuller fdr's usg, but a lot more bankrupt. [05:30]
mircea_popescu well, not this, that. [05:30]
asciilifeform decimation: in wwii << after invention of nuke, they realized that much as they would love to repeat the performance again and again as necessary, might put their own arses in peril. so - settled for a slow and continuous version of this. [05:31]
mircea_popescu decimation let's be fair here : you're a freshman, there's 12 kids in senior year. eleven strip naked, pour gasoline over each other and set themselves ablaze. the 12th puts them out by running into them backwards then continues to run backwards into things for a week or so, until he's finally comatose and just spazzes quietly on the ground. [05:31]
mircea_popescu if those are your two choices, who do you vote most likely to succeed ? [05:32]
decimation good point [05:33]
mircea_popescu by practical standards, the us did really well in the 20th century. [05:33]
decimation sure, in terms of trade, production, etc [05:34]
mircea_popescu even in terms of... not... pouring gasoline on own head and lighting it. twice. [05:35]
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decimation << lol, this kind of bellyaching over.. systemd? [05:47]
thestringpuller doesn't surprise me after discussions here... [05:54]
decimation "Everyone is conservative about what he knows best. " << Conquest's first law of politics [05:54]
mircea_popescu decimation one of the most interesting aspects of systemd is the irrationality of the proponents. it's almost as if you're discussing theology with the flat earth society or geophysics with the global warming cult of washington dc. [06:00]
mircea_popescu technologically it's about as notable as windows notepad, but sociologically... wow, ze goldmine. [06:00]
mircea_popescu "Today, now, before the results are announced, we have an opportunity to extend compassion and empathy and remind ourselves of the spirit in which we'd like to work together." << lmao fuck that. [06:01]
mircea_popescu who wants to work in an environment of "compassion" ? what are these people, retards ? [06:01]
decimation yeah, if anything this is a loud bell ringing to anyone 'sane': "these people are crazy, now's the time to exit!" [06:02]
mircea_popescu "I'm hoping that we can all take a few minutes to gain empathy for those who disagree with us." << derping about "empathy" -> straight to the uranium mines. [06:02]
mircea_popescu "Then I'm hoping we can use that understanding to [06:02]
mircea_popescu reassure them that they are valued and respected and their concerns [06:02]
mircea_popescu considered even when we end up strongly disagreeing with them or valuing [06:02]
mircea_popescu different things." [06:02]
mircea_popescu i mewan look at that hollow, empty bullshit. [06:02]
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mircea_popescu "oh, so you want to wear pants ? fuck you, you're wearing a skirt. [06:03]
mircea_popescu aaaaaaaaaaaaand, you're valued and respected. bitch." [06:03]
mircea_popescu this is the ultimate theft, these people are trying to introduce into the world. they wish to steal not merely the farmer's cow, [06:03]
mircea_popescu but to also steal the farmer's "having being stolen from" [06:03]
mircea_popescu to steal a concept, what a riotous approach. [06:04]
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decimation I don't think any future historian will fail to notice the parallels between this and usg's way of doing business [06:04]
mircea_popescu who is this fuckface ayway ? [06:05]
mircea_popescu the kerberos guy ? uh. [06:05]
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mircea_popescu i dunno if i'm the only one privy to the history of that protocol ? [06:07]
mircea_popescu perhaps an instructive case study as to how usg protocol confiscation works in the field. [06:07]
decimation I think kerberos came from mit right? [06:08]
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decimation sam hartman is some developer I guess, but somehow has 'influence' [06:09]
mircea_popescu decimation kerberos was developed by mit in the 80s. a gutted export version was created. as the usg was going to (again) change its export restriction in 2000, [06:09]
mircea_popescu the gutted thing was reimplemented by some nordic country university [06:10]
mircea_popescu then a few years later windows migrated to "kerberos" as its primary security protocol [06:10]
decimation it's still a nightmare to deploy to this day, for sure [06:10]
decimation indeed it did [06:10]
mircea_popescu sam hartman is a 30something nobody, roughly speaking a debian gmaxwell [06:10]
mircea_popescu except he's not fat, he's blind. [06:10]
decimation in fact one of the supposed prime 'benefits' of redhat enterprise is that it can 'hook up to' a windows active directory server which acts as an ldap/krb ticket server [06:11]
mircea_popescu myeah. [06:11]
mircea_popescu im completely unclear as to why the fuck usg wants the "one computer system" so badly anyway. [06:12]
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thestringpuller ;;isup [06:12]
gribble is down [06:12]
thestringpuller ;;isup [06:12]
gribble is down [06:12]
decimation mircea_popescu: the simplest answer is probably because usg is full of hartmans and gmaxwells [06:13]
thestringpuller decimation: what about jgarzik's? [06:13]
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mircea_popescu thestringpuller myeah. bbs. [06:14]
decimation well, considering usg employs 4 million people, I suspect there is at least one of each [06:17]
mircea_popescu fuckign to-feeling arguments in THE MOTHERFUCKING DEBIAN LISTS. [06:18]
mircea_popescu there's nothing to save here. just burn the entire stack where it stands an' that's that. [06:18]
joecool apt-get purge feelings [06:19]
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mircea_popescu no but srsly, that letter is an exact summary of everything that's wrong with the english language space. [06:20]
mircea_popescu There isn't a right answer. As Russ has explained a number of times in the TC, on debian-vote and on his blog, this is about tradeoffs. I'm sure some people will be happy if the project's values are aligned with theirs. When they take that as far as saying the project made the "right decision" or rejected "bad options," they are not valuing the contributions of those who disagreed with them. [06:20]
mircea_popescu i mean check it out. "there's no wrong thing" now. [06:20]
mircea_popescu the point of discussion is not to discover the wrong alternatives, or the right alternatives. [06:20]
mircea_popescu the point of discussion is to suck each other off [06:20]
mircea_popescu and then driveby's have the unmitigated audacity to discuss #b-a cult-ness. how do you like that! [06:21]
mircea_popescu five fucking centuries of european intellectual heritate, which is the exactly ONLY reason the US even exists in the first place, down the drain. "We wanna be africans now. Hold hands." [06:21]
mircea_popescu let's fucking "value each other's" banana peels and sing koombaya. [06:22]
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mircea_popescu anyway, seems to me clear teh usg-debian believes it got the votes [06:24]
mircea_popescu someone should make a bitbet about it, i'd throw a few cents. [06:24]
asciilifeform insult to perfectly adequate monkeys, who fight and occasionally settle matters in their monkey bands [06:24]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah well, at some point im gotta have to insult some unfortunate bystanding trashbag or something, or else collapse into A = A circularity. [06:24]
mats_cd03 poor guy. cut outta the fold after bein' a regular for... what was it, a year plus? [06:25]
mircea_popescu "boy that sam h sounds just like a sam h" [06:25]
asciilifeform lol [06:25]
mats_cd03 gotta loosen up on the mad ravings my good man [06:25]
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asciilifeform debian compassion << cthonian horrors of the eldritch depths. [06:26]
thestringpuller sometimes the ravings of a madman is wisdom, other times just noise. [06:26]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform have you ever seen something this idiotic ? [06:27]
decimation it is a neat little experiment in 'infinite democracy' [06:27]
mircea_popescu i mean, the "other speeds more important to us" thing is nowhere near. [06:27]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: only mr. spam comes close [06:27]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: actually this connects to the thread from earlier today re: patterns of speech. [06:27]
thestringpuller ;;seen cazalla [06:29]
gribble cazalla was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 hours, 46 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: i guess ddos is back : [06:29]
asciilifeform kerberos << among the many deliberately complex edifices of the u.s. department of wintel. [06:31]
asciilifeform a 'mouse farm' (in the sense of my article 'don't blame the mice') [06:31]
asciilifeform of course, anyone with even a spitting familiarity with software crud world knows that lizard hitler does not need to order these into existence - they happen naturally [06:32]
asciilifeform if you simply gather enough filth in one place [06:32]
asciilifeform and let it go [06:32]
thestringpuller My University uses Kerberos everywhere for logging in. [06:33]
asciilifeform compare with, e.g., 'gribble auth' [06:35]
asciilifeform a sausage and a turd are rather different, even if both cylindrical and both given shape by a piece of gut [06:36]
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mircea_popescu lol nice one. [06:37]
mircea_popescu but anyway, it's not just "gather enough filth in one place" [06:37]
mircea_popescu it's moreover "make cleanning illegal" [06:37]
asciilifeform well yes, how else will it stay gathered. [06:37]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: they wish to steal not merely the farmer's cow, but to also steal the farmer's "having being stolen from" << usg (and the 'enlightenment') in one sentence. [06:38]
mircea_popescu pretty much [06:38]
mircea_popescu they figure they thus improved on the soviets, [06:38]
asciilifeform 'we rape you but wait we didn't because you are not a you, one cannot rape furniture' [06:38]
mircea_popescu which merely took the cow, and the voice under duress [06:39]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform think about how the cock felt!11 [06:39]
asciilifeform l0l! [06:39]
mircea_popescu if you were a cock - which you obviously are not bwahhhaha i need a minute here lmao - if you were a cock [06:39]
mircea_popescu wouldn't you want some tight ass too ? so then ? [06:39]
decimation 'we voted and this is the best course of action' [06:40]
mircea_popescu "have some empathy for the people who want to take a shit on the collected effort of the people you happen to respect! they're people too!" [06:40]
mircea_popescu except this'd be th every definition of not being people. if they were people they'd do something else for a living. [06:40]
asciilifeform we may not like the cancer cell, but it 'works'. debian - dead. [06:40]
asciilifeform resquiat in pace. [06:41]
decimation do something else < which is why debian is now dead, as ascii wrote [06:42]
decimation redhat is going down the same tube, in the long run [06:42]
asciilifeform the cancer will spread to wherever it can [06:42]
asciilifeform doesn't need an objective, or a plan [06:42]
mircea_popescu THEM. not fucking me jesus christ. [06:43]
mircea_popescu when some kid is annoying you don't pick up and leave, you punch him in the nose. [06:43]
asciilifeform obligatory: [06:44]
nubbins` but with debian dead, where do i turn [06:44]
assbot Logged on 28-07-2014 19:19:31; asciilifeform: 'Learn not to participate - to the point of utter impossibility of meeting the enemy 'half-way' - and you will see that inside there lay a very useful mindfuck: in learning to 'nonparticipate,' in fact you drew out your *will* from its scabbard - to which it seemed so securely riveted by your upbringing. The appearance of *your will* changes everything and forever. With your own will s [06:44]
mircea_popescu i propose in this case "not participation" is punching some blind twerp right in the face. [06:45]
asciilifeform if folks understood 'do not meet the enemy halfway' we would never have even heard of systemd. [06:46]
asciilifeform as such, you have to surgically remove its metastases even from a fresh 'gentoo' [06:46]
asciilifeform and if you forget to flip a switch - there it will be, staring right in your face [06:46]
nubbins` o.O osx comes with a python script that merges pdf files [06:47]
decimation lol I thought 'preview' did that [06:48]
nubbins` yeah, but you gotta do it one at a time that way [06:48]
nubbins` here i say -o merged.pdf *.pdf [06:48]
asciilifeform !s teaching the controversy [06:49]
assbot 1 results for 'teaching the controversy' : [06:49]
nubbins` and by the time i explain why this is better, i've got an 800mb merged.pdf waiting for me [06:50]
asciilifeform [06:50]
assbot Logged on 12-09-2014 16:47:05; asciilifeform: once you've been 'taught the controversy' - that is, convincing that there -even is- reasonable debate among informed people, on a particular subject - the lie becomes a kind of half-truth, automagically [06:50]
assbot Logged on 12-09-2014 16:47:19; asciilifeform: because suddenly, there is (or you think there is) a debate. with 'sides.' [06:50]
asciilifeform ^ re: how the cancer rolls. [06:50]
asciilifeform what's more, this follows inescapably from any situation, anywhere, where someone gets to 'score nonzero points' merely for showing up. [06:51]
asciilifeform all you have to do, then, is to pile on the meat puppets, until suddenly there is a 'controversy', and there are 'points of view', and eventually - a 'consensus.' [06:52]
mircea_popescu top - 23:51:11 up 15 min, 2 users, load average: 5153.36, 3287.44, 1431.04 [06:53]
mircea_popescu lel. [06:53]
mircea_popescu anyone ever seen better ? [06:53]
nubbins` dat load [06:53]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform in fairness, there's a lot of value to teaching the controversy. [06:55]
mircea_popescu it just has to be a controversy between actual people. [06:56]
asciilifeform the phrase is a term of art from u.s. propaganda schools. [06:56]
asciilifeform being the first step of a recipe for convincing folks of something that would otherwise be readily apparent as lunacy [06:56]
mircea_popescu it is, true. [06:56]
asciilifeform see also, related, 'fear, uncertainty, and doubt.' [06:57]
mircea_popescu i have this baby in bathwater obsession, myself. "teaching the controversy" is just americanized, which is to say, "cut into bits and rubbed in shit" hegelian dialectics. [06:57]
asciilifeform well yes. [06:57]
decimation proto-marxism? [06:58]
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mircea_popescu ymmv, but to my eyes it's perfectly good science. [07:00]
mircea_popescu (hegel's, that is) [07:00]
thestringpuller ;;isup [07:00]
gribble is down [07:00]
nubbins` ooo i shouldn't have used the wifi connection to send this print job [07:00]
asciilifeform at the very least, perfectly good chumpatronic engineering. [07:00]
nubbins` ;/ [07:00]
nubbins` why! [07:00]
nubbins` actually there we go, wasn't so bad [07:02]
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thestringpuller nubbins`: can you pm me tracking number again? [07:06]
RagnarDanneskjol ;;later tell ben_vulpes thanks. i did think that through...all those i had in mind casually follow things here but not enough to be rated/active - [07:07]
gribble The operation succeeded. [07:07]
assbot Logged on 09-11-2014 04:36:17; RagnarDanneskjol: I need to round up the troops and do some crash coursing in wot, etc first [07:07]
asciilifeform RagnarDanneskjol: quite a few people, i think, underestimated the effort involved [07:08]
RagnarDanneskjol indeed [07:08]
asciilifeform can't say i didn't warn. [07:08]
* asciilifeform has studied the turd, on and off, for quite some time [07:09]
thestringpuller one day I will make a book of your turdisms asciilifeform [07:10]
thestringpuller or maybe a comic strip... [07:11]
asciilifeform make comic of bitcoind [07:11]
asciilifeform (the real one, not the cthonian horror) [07:11]
asciilifeform in the style of larry gonick, i dare say [07:11]
thestringpuller but that isn't a turd! [07:11]
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mircea_popescu lol [07:34]
mircea_popescu !up cascadian_herper [07:35]
-assbot- You voiced cascadian_herper for 30 minutes. [07:35]
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cascadian_herper danke [07:35]
cascadian_herper ragnardanneskjol: whats the best time to plant a tree? [07:35]
nubbins` -1.5.tar.gz [07:36]
nubbins` oops [07:36]
thestringpuller the best time to plant a tree is never, because they all die anyways [07:36]
mircea_popescu "I really hope that folks who value user choice will be willing to work with those who are trying to introduce improved ways of doing things regardless of what we decide." <<< and there's the giveaway. [07:37]
cascadian_herper well shit just give up then [07:37]
mircea_popescu not really easy, doing this sort of thing. [07:37]
decimation the river of meat has spoken [07:38]
cascadian_herper ragnardanneskjol: i want to work with the hep cats who see wot+bitcoin and are struck speechless with their importance who then hie to the gpg-machine for registration [07:39]
cascadian_herper not troops who must be rounded [07:40]
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RagnarDanneskjol most people are struck once they take the time to learn it. its a damn figure of speech -as in contacting all those I know who are squarely qualified to do this work AND meet said expectations [07:42]
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RagnarDanneskjol I have plenty of other things to do if you dont any help [07:43]
RagnarDanneskjol dont want* [07:44]
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thestringpuller "I like the blockchain just not bitcoin itself is like saying I like pussy but not women themselves" [07:44]
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cascadian_herper merely illuminating parameters. [07:48]
RagnarDanneskjol understood [07:48]
cascadian_herper this web client is wholly inadequate [07:50]
RagnarDanneskjol which you using? [07:50]
cascadian_herper kiwi [07:50]
RagnarDanneskjol ahh. if you're on andro, andchat and halo are decent [07:51]
cascadian_herper not really motivated to irc on phnoe [07:51]
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mats_cd03 is nice reading material when pooping [07:54]
TheNewDeal best material wipes as well [07:55]
mats_cd03 anyone keeping a running count of known USG coins? [07:56]
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mats_cd03 i vaguely recall smth in the neighborhood of 400k [07:57]
TheNewDeal M_infinity ? [07:57]
TheNewDeal or like, could carry in large knapsack? [07:57]
mats_cd03 er, bitcoins [07:57]
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mats_cd03 via confiscations and what not [08:01]
TheNewDeal ;;totalbc [08:02]
gribble 13509425.0 [08:02]
TheNewDeal ;;interval 10000 [08:02]
gribble (interval takes no arguments) -- Shows average interval, in seconds, between last 1000 blocks. [08:02]
TheNewDeal ;;halfreward [08:03]
gribble Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Sun Jul 31 15:21:25 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 1 year, 36 weeks, 5 days, 9 hours, 20 minutes, and 0 seconds. [08:03]
TheNewDeal ;;8ball [08:08]
gribble It is so. [08:08]
mircea_popescu "I like the blockchain just not bitcoin itself is like saying I like pussy but not women themselves" << more like "i like round things but not circles, because this difference exists" [08:08]
mircea_popescu mats_cd03 they're about 100k under, atm. [08:12]
mircea_popescu and their last toe support got squeezed to fuck in s.mpoe, so there's going to be a reckoning next week or something like that. [08:13]
mats_cd03 ok thanks [08:16]
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thestringpuller !mpif [08:40]
assbot F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021747 B (Total: 475.57 B). Delta: 0.56 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000195 BTC [-] [08:40]
thestringpuller $depth f.mpif [08:41]
empyex thestringpuller: [F.MPIF] Bids: 7125 @ 0.00019500 30000 @ 0.00019100 7636 @ 0.00019000 100000 @ 0.00018500 [08:41]
empyex thestringpuller: [F.MPIF] Asks: 99 @ 0.00021900 2000 @ 0.00021910 17100 @ 0.00022000 10000 @ 0.00022000 [08:41]
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thestringpuller ;;ls [08:48]
gribble What do you think I am, a shell? [08:48]
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kakobrekla demo test: [08:48]
assbot This Onion, It Smells: Inherent Hazards of the Tor Network | ( ) [08:48]
kakobrekla see link. [08:48]
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mircea_popescu dpaste got no html mode ? [08:49]
kakobrekla who has [08:50]
kakobrekla ? [08:50]
mircea_popescu < syntax highlight [08:50]
mircea_popescu < idem [08:50]
* kakobrekla wont use non-raw [08:51]
kakobrekla makes my brain hurt [08:53]
thestringpuller links2 mode [08:53]
kakobrekla anyway how is this better [08:54]
kakobrekla looking at this, we can notice qntra has two tags, only one
kakobrekla also one extra

that does not belog.

kakobrekla belong [08:58]
RagnarDanneskjol that is a very nice feature add. raw is pretty tough on the eyes. at least you have some margin on standard paste and the option to show raw [08:58]
* kakobrekla still not convinced [08:59]
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RagnarDanneskjol [09:03]
mircea_popescu that's an interesting point. [09:04]
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mircea_popescu the footer [09:04]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [09:09]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 401.45, vol: 12782.62524050 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 395.0, vol: 8349.05923 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 401.84, vol: 28410.25447645 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 399.361767, vol: 226201.84320000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 400.0, vol: 3.89065 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 394.821, vol: 55.90373743 | Volume-weighted last average: 399.580880606 [09:09]
mircea_popescu << also other than assbot, proxies for the lost. [09:13]
assbot Free Web Proxy ( ) [09:13]
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kakobrekla that doesnt work [09:20]
kakobrekla they as well dont see dns [09:21]
mircea_popescu worked for me a second ago [09:22]
kakobrekla no [09:23]
mircea_popescu hm. [09:23]
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mircea_popescu << how are these derps making it throiugh then lol [09:36]
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mircea_popescu !up saifedean [10:00]
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saifedean good day everyone, how goes it? [10:01]
mircea_popescu same ol'. [10:04]
saifedean So a couple of my friends have started a Middle East bitcoin payment processor: [10:10]
assbot Yellow | Bitcoin Payments in MENA ( ) [10:10]
saifedean any thoughts, advice, or searing critiques? [10:10]
mircea_popescu what's this, 2011 all over again ? [10:13]
mircea_popescu ;;gettrust couple of friends [10:13]
gribble (gettrust [] ) -- Get trust paths for , starting from . If is not supplied, your own nick is used as the source. See [10:13]
mircea_popescu apparently it dun work like that. [10:14]
RagnarDanneskjol hahah [10:14]
saifedean im not asking for trust for these friends, just wondering what you folks think of this business model. [10:16]
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mircea_popescu but, so far the business model is "dude where's my car" [10:18]
mircea_popescu like, what are these friends. are they cooks ? airplane pilots ? [10:19]
saifedean one used to work in tech companies, the other in bullshit management consulting. they both quit their jobs to work on this full time [10:21]
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RagnarDanneskjol I recommend thy try to get their old jobs back 'fore its too late.. a 'no risk' exchange does sound rather amazing tho [10:23]
BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats [10:23]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [10:23]
gribble Current Blocks: 330392 | Current Difficulty: 3.960366625241841E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 330623 | Next Difficulty In: 231 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 12 hours, 42 minutes, and 54 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 40100157618.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.25365 [10:23]
mircea_popescu saifedean the way that noobs usually work these things is, they put in some work for a few months, and while they're small whatever bank they lied to doesn't bother to notice. [10:24]
mircea_popescu then it yanks the plug and there goes the "business model" [10:25]
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RagnarDanneskjol the world could use an updated, expanded 'so you wanna start a bitcoin business' [10:32]
punkman old one is still good [10:33]
RagnarDanneskjol indeed.. still, so much more could be said on the topic - and old one lives on tardstalk [10:34]
RagnarDanneskjol AND the author can no longer reply, so [10:35]
mircea_popescu speaking of old one, your friends happened ot read it saifedean ? [10:35]
mircea_popescu !up saifedean [10:35]
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saifedean i haven't read the old one, where is it? [10:36]
RagnarDanneskjol [10:36]
assbot So you think you're going to start a Bitcoin business, right? ( ) [10:36]
mircea_popescu << if anyone's not seen that, i heartily recommend. [10:41]
assbot A Mighty Wind pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ( ) [10:41]
saifedean "Access Denied (content_filter_denied) Your request was denied because of its content categorization: "Games"" [10:42]
saifedean trilema is classified as games by my university, MP! [10:42]
mircea_popescu games ?! [10:43]
mircea_popescu that's a new one. [10:43]
saifedean imma email this to our network administrator: [10:45]
assbot ( ) [10:45]
RagnarDanneskjol game of thrones moreliek [10:45]
mircea_popescu << speaking of game [10:46]
assbot A nins ? A nins! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ( ) [10:47]
mircea_popescu email him that, at least he can reclassify it. HUNTING! [10:47]
saifedean well, this link worked, but the previous one didn't [10:47]
mircea_popescu seems this filter of yours is doing exactly as much useful work as every filter ever. [10:47]
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mircea_popescu << why is "erasing the past" such a common fantasy ? [17:47]
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BingoBoingo [17:55]
assbot Detroit Hit By Ransomware in April | ( ) [17:55]
mircea_popescu poor detroit. [17:56]
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TheNewDeal Did I get that correct that the Mayor attempted to sync a calendar on an infected system? [17:57]
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mircea_popescu TheNewDeal they seem unrelated. [18:04]
mircea_popescu that said, i struggle to comprehend what the idea is behind BingoBoingo's collection of factoids. [18:04]
BingoBoingo Detroit sucks? [18:05]
mircea_popescu so here's a chick with a hoola instead [18:05]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH2] 1167 @ 0.0012 = 1.4004 BTC [18:05]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo but listen, if that's your angle (detroit sucks) then make it your title. if that doesn't work then why not ? [18:05]
BingoBoingo Ah, ok. [18:06]
mircea_popescu jurov: [18:07]
mircea_popescu you can wait few hours for mircea_popescu and ask him << how does jurov know!!! [18:07]
BingoBoingo I just found the "Spread the Wealth" op-ed piece a bit... ironic considering every other headline there tonday is about the absolute pile of nothing they have. [18:07]
nubbins` how does he know how to get an anagram of his name into a sha256sum :P [18:08]
mircea_popescu Adlai: is this gpgadlai or btcadlai? only gribble knows... << nanotube you know, he brings a very good point. how would i go to check that he is in fact and specifically gpg authed ? [18:08]
nubbins` TBF i thought detroit was dead by now [18:08]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo im not saying the three links couldn't assemble into a great piece, but merely that it has to actually be done. ie, reader doesn't have access to the lulz in your head, put it on teh page. [18:09]
nubbins` mircea_popescu hm that's a good one. ;;ident will list gpg key AND btc address if both are reg'd [18:09]
BingoBoingo Ah, that problem. The why Trilema must have so many words problem. [18:09]
mircea_popescu nubbins` reg'd yes. auth'd ? [18:10]
mircea_popescu i suppose the standard best practice when newbs make accounts would be inserting a rider with "and don't add a btc address, it just creates pointless ambiguity" [18:12]
mircea_popescu Adlai: i'm not a huge fan of leaving open the door to known-cleartext snooping through pastebin verification << le explain ? [18:13]
nubbins` BingoBoingo [18:13]
nubbins` Detroit Mayor Mike Duggan revealed at the North American International Cyber Summit that a 2,000 BTC ransom was not paid in order to regain access to the affected database because it was "not that important". [18:13]
nubbins` In a seemingly-unrelated revelation that perhaps hints at the true reason for the bounty not being paid, the mayor also revealed that he cannot sync his MS Office calendar to his phone due to technical difficulties. [18:13]
* nubbins` shrugs [18:13]
mircea_popescu lol [18:13]
nubbins` revelation + revealed gotta go [18:14]
mircea_popescu nono, "mayor would like to spread the wealth but can not find the time to do so" [18:14]
nubbins` s/revelation/admission perhaps [18:14]
nubbins` anyway lelelelelelel. [18:14]
nubbins` such a mayor/manager thing to say huh [18:14]
nubbins` "i can't get my phone to sync my calendar" [18:14]
mircea_popescu mangerial. [18:14]
mircea_popescu you know, from mange. [18:14]
nubbins` "why isn't my sound working" [18:14]
mircea_popescu ahahaha. [18:14]
nubbins` mangy mayor [18:15]
mircea_popescu old woman @doctor's office : [18:15]
mircea_popescu doc, my sound's working. [18:15]
nubbins` heh [18:15]
nubbins` she can finally pee? [18:15]
mircea_popescu lmao! [18:15]
* nubbins` claps [18:15]
mircea_popescu no, she just used to hear these voices and for a while they were gone [18:15]
nubbins` 5 satoshi says i'm the only one here who got that [18:15]
mircea_popescu hence, ~HER~ sound wasn;t working [18:15]
nubbins` o heh [18:15]
nubbins` thought i nailed it ;/ [18:15]
mircea_popescu lol. what sort of a cult do you think this is! [18:16]
nubbins` ;;google sounding [18:16]
mircea_popescu can't be having people nailing shit. [18:16]
gribble Sounding - BME Encyclopedia: ; Sounds - BME Encyclopedia: ; Sounding | BME: Tattoo, Piercing and Body Modification News: [18:16]
mircea_popescu yes yes. [18:16]
mircea_popescu i am aware what a urethral sound is. [18:16]
nubbins` for the uninitiated among us. [18:16]
nubbins` tl;dr put things where you pee, it feels good [18:16]
mircea_popescu i also like how the sophistication, size and complexity of boy sounds vs girl sounds properly reflects the boy vs girl relation generally. [18:17]
nubbins` boys like big fancy toys? [18:17]
mircea_popescu (i actually won an argument on this once. triumphant mainstreamist "oh yea ? on what criteria!" mp : "urethral sounds complexity.") [18:17]
nubbins` i don't know that i've seen gender-specific sounds, altho i guess the big sets would never ever fit into a woman's urethra [18:18]
mircea_popescu Alexander Fox @AutonoZone · Oct 6 @napoleon @BitcoinBelle Idealism is a dangerous investment strategy. Just look at the goldbugs. Global capital is pouring into the USD. <<< why does the usd sound so much like every other altchain scam ? [18:18]
mircea_popescu nubbins` you kidding ? the curved ones are male. [18:19]
mircea_popescu the female ones are just straight sticks. [18:19]
nubbins` o rly? [18:19]
mircea_popescu yup rly. [18:19]
nubbins` then i've never seen female ones :o [18:19]
nubbins` [18:19]
assbot BME Body Modification Ezine Shop ( ) [18:19]
nubbins` "no returns" lel [18:19]
mircea_popescu [18:20]
assbot Hayden Medical Inc. Urology Urethral Dilators Sounds - Hayden Medical Inc. ( ) [18:20]
mircea_popescu grep for "Infant & Female Dilator Set" [18:20]
mircea_popescu because yes. [18:20]
nubbins` curved [18:20]
nubbins` anyway idk what it's like now, but there was a time when private citizens had the hardest time purchasing shit like this [18:21]
nubbins` i remember going to a medical supply place once to pick up a biopsy punch i'd ordered [18:21]
nubbins` "sooo... are you a doctor?" [18:21]
nubbins` "nope" [18:21]
nubbins` (guy gets visibly worried) [18:21]
nubbins` "what are you going to do with this?" [18:21]
mircea_popescu lol [18:21]
nubbins` (i tell him) [18:21]
nubbins` (worry replaced with confusion, leads me to cash register) [18:22]
mircea_popescu let me guess, you fix hogheads of paint [18:23]
* mircea_popescu tries to follow in Adlai's footsteps reading that "accelerating change" piece, gets as far as "The goal of this chapter is to trace the general implications of what are identified as the two central characteristics of the future: accelerating change and intensifying complexity.", first line in abstract, and fails. [18:23]
nubbins` nothing so innocent, although i've mostly moved on from the proclivities of my youth [18:24]
mircea_popescu what the FUCK is "intensifying" complexity. is complexity like pain or wtf. [18:24]
mircea_popescu nubbins` you punch the woman while ridin' her ?! [18:24]
nubbins` i definitely do not biopsy women during sex [18:24]
mircea_popescu "spread wider honey i wanna get a taste of precum straigth through your perineum!" [18:25]
nubbins` :0 [18:25]
nubbins` many deviance, such edge play [18:26]
nubbins` for those of you not in the know, a biopsy punch is a cylindrical scalpel, useful for removing round chunks of flesh from various areas of the body [18:26]
nubbins` [18:26]
mircea_popescu unfortunately i may have created a monster there. [18:26]
assbot ( ) [18:26]
mircea_popescu you probably make earlobe holes and lame shit like that. [18:27]
nubbins` close enough [18:28]
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nubbins` altho my earlobe holes were done the old-fashioned way, pierced with a needle then immediately tapered to 6 gauge [18:28]
mircea_popescu that's the main problem for people that got circumcised [18:28]
mircea_popescu that less skin to fuck with. [18:28]
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nubbins` the cock is a cornucopia of piercing sites [18:29]
mircea_popescu only for slavebois [18:29]
mircea_popescu real men use the cock to pierce other things [18:29]
nubbins` i can list maybe a dozen named cock piercings off the top of my head [18:29]
nubbins` heh [18:29]
nubbins` like earlobes [18:29]
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mircea_popescu well, by design, hymens. [18:29]
mircea_popescu BUT IF YOU MUST BE A PERV.... [18:29]
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mircea_popescu xanthyos: ruminated a bit on the imagery of human women being milked as cows when i woke up. the creepy part is that it's not just hentai, and that given the population of the earth, there are surely women that are being dairy farmed somewhere. << nope. if you think about it, mammals are only productive after foaling. what would you do with all the babies ? this and numerous other considerations make dairy-female a hig [18:34]
mircea_popescu hly abstract fantasy, roughly comensurate with the bizarre shit coming out of the lesbian feminist camp, which is why i made that comment. [18:34]
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nubbins` punkman actually a very interesting guy, if a bit narcissistic [18:34]
mircea_popescu more stuff i missed ;/ [18:34]
mircea_popescu only heard of bme through modder chick years after its heyday [18:34]
nubbins` real downer about him killing himself, i was in a funk for like 6mo over it [18:34]
mircea_popescu the curse of the archeologist. [18:34]
nubbins` yeah hey [18:34]
punkman yeah he was a cool dude, bme turned to shit when ex-wife took it over [18:34]
nubbins` punkman i met her once at a wedding [18:35]
nubbins` not a great person [18:35]
mircea_popescu nubbins` met modder chick through making fun of "all those freaks with the crazy shit stick on all sides of head". [18:35]
nubbins` heheh [18:35]
mircea_popescu cause you know, she seemed sane, and im very conservative. [18:35]
nubbins` i actually met my first almost-wife through bme [18:36]
mircea_popescu did she come in one piece ? [18:36]
nubbins` a more-or-less intact piece, no less [18:36]
punkman mircea_popescu: here's the blog btw [18:36]
assbot Shannon Larratt is Zentastic › I can scarcely move or draw my breath // Let me, let me freeze agai ( ) [18:36]
mircea_popescu anyway, i would expect suicide is the definitve body modification all serious practitioners aspire towards. [18:37]
nubbins` assbot now scrapes site & dpastes plaintext? [18:38]
nubbins` rad [18:38]
punkman not just plaintext! even images! [18:38]
mircea_popescu it's maybe a little silly. [18:39]
nubbins` bordering on useless [18:40]
nubbins` nice alternative for when you really don't wanna click a link, i guess [18:40]
mircea_popescu part of it was the ip stealing attempt coupla days back. [18:40]
mircea_popescu as always, the security/sanity balance is unobvious. [18:41]
punkman maybe I can setup a URL where assbot can post content to, provide actual html/file mirror [18:42]
mircea_popescu sahould be more in the scoopbot than in the deedbot domain that, in the interest of not making a mess of things [18:43]
punkman yeah not on deedbot system, I got plenty of space on a dreamhost account [18:43]
mircea_popescu which i guess kinda pushes the point, [18:43]
mircea_popescu ;;seen peterl [18:43]
gribble peterl was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 14 hours, 56 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: yes [18:43]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell peterl there's stuff to talk about! [18:44]
gribble The operation succeeded. [18:44]
punkman Imma write stupid PHP script to do this, also needed for deed backups [18:45]
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mircea_popescu well seeing how scoopbot's never in chan, something's gonna have to be done here. [18:46]
mircea_popescu ;;seen scoopbot [18:46]
gribble scoopbot was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 11 hours, 8 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: New post on by Bingo Boingo: [18:46]
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nanotube mircea_popescu: that info is not currently publicly available. though i can find out by checking bot-side logs. [18:53]
nubbins` my admittedly inconsequential vote is for including it in ;;ident, as it's potentially useful [18:54]
nanotube what would it be useful for? [18:54]
nubbins` say you want to know if someone's authed via btc or gpg [18:55]
nubbins` ('potentially' == i can't think of a compelling scenario) [18:55]
nanotube haha you're begging the question here. /why/ would someone want to know that [18:56]
nanotube is what i want to know :) [18:56]
nubbins` 8) [18:56]
nanotube not that it would harm anything to have the info... just curious [18:56]
nubbins` ostensibly so it's easier to shame people who have registered both a gpg key and a btc address, but choose not to auth via gpg [18:57]
nubbins` i'm sure mp has a more concrete scenario in mind ;p [18:57]
xanthyos mircea_popescu: once a woman starts producing milk she'll keep producing it until she stops nursing. there are some children who nurse way too long and as long as they keep suckling, the milk will flow. also i doubt anyone using women to farm milk is concerned about cost effectiveness or has the moral concern to worry about his cows continually giving birth. their young might be inserted into the food chain that eventually becomes the moth [18:57]
nubbins` ... [18:58]
nubbins` i'm sure the truly compelling part of that paragraph was after the break [18:58]
xanthyos kafkaesque [18:59]
nubbins` popesque [19:00]
nubbins` i was at a printer's fair yesterday and some guy came up being really weird about a book we published [19:02]
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rithm asciilifeform it just means they subcontract it out [19:09]
nubbins` ^^^^^ [19:10]
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asciilifeform rithm: how, and to whom - it is contracted - incidentally - is not really a secret [19:10]
rithm which is sad i'd assume the .gov itself might retain such knowledge [19:10]
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rithm reading reports under the pretense where one hands know what the other hand is doing is fallacy [19:11]
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asciilifeform ^ recent experiments in advanced spamatronics [19:21]
mircea_popescu haha you're begging the question here. /why/ would someone want to know that << well, i do want to know. [19:24]
mircea_popescu for one thing, if a hole is found in either but not in both, the situation is now glbse-ambiguous : anyone logged on can claim it wasn;t them [19:24]
mircea_popescu "also i doubt anyone using women to farm milk is concerned about cost effectiveness" << maybe we're not on the same page as to what farm means, here. [19:27]
mircea_popescu something like "i'm farming the lich king, 100k spent for every 80k worth of loot" ? [19:27]
mircea_popescu also, feeding cows their foals, it doesn't work. that's how you select for Creutzfeldt–Jakob [19:29]
nubbins` ^ [19:30]
mircea_popescu if it did make any sort of economic sense it'd be all over your flouridated water i'm sure. [19:30]
nubbins` i have friends who are still not allowed to donate blood because they spent more than 6mo in england [19:30]
mircea_popescu "In Canada, individuals are not eligible to donate blood or plasma if they have spent a cumulative total of three months in the United Kingdom or France from January 1, 1980, to December 31, 1996. They are also ineligible if they have spent a cumulative total of five years or more in Western Europe outside the U.K. or France since 1980, or if they have had a blood transfusion in the U.K., France or Western Europe since [19:31]
mircea_popescu 1980." [19:31]
mircea_popescu and in spite of all that painstaking effort ? still crazy as fuck, the canucks. [19:31]
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BingoBoingo [19:49]
assbot Armed robber who got out of sentence because of clerical error is back in jail : News ( ) [19:49]
nubbins` mp these rules were enacted by a competing prion which has figured out how to influence human behaviour in a more nuanced fashion [19:50]
nubbins` turf wars [19:50]
mircea_popescu lol [19:51]
mircea_popescu hey buster! that's prion art! [19:51]
nubbins` a prioni knowledge [19:52]
* BingoBoingo awaits discovery of world with Chiraly reversed biochemistry. [19:53]
nubbins` BingoBoingo it's only like 10% as big, not so fun [19:54]
nubbins` apparently something like 35% of bitcoiners are leftys? [19:55]
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* BingoBoingo imagines the aliens landing in nubbins yard, spotting that all of the amino acids are flipped the wrong way, and putting a warning bouy in earth orbit announcing Earth's toxicity. [19:57]
* BingoBoingo imagines the SEW campaign to make Earth safe for the Alien Invaders [19:57]
nubbins` you cannot donate your tenderloins unless you've spent less than 3 consecutive months on earth [19:59]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: iirc asimov had a tale with this premise [20:02]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I vaguelly remember a few stories but no titles [20:03]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i once tried to write a tale of perverse world of differing chiralities for male and female, and implications thereof [20:03]
asciilifeform (before anyone asks, yes, must posit some exception for gametes) [20:04]
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asciilifeform Creutzfeldt-Jakob << just don't feed the brains. problem solved. [20:05]
BingoBoingo Just in the context of the prion discussion, I'm imagining sufficiently advanced aliens to have had this problem before. They came here to steal our water, but can't because of fish piss. Just like the Mad Cow blood donor ban [20:06]
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mircea_popescu (before anyone asks, yes, must posit some exception for gametes) <<< wait wait lol. [20:12]
mircea_popescu positing doesn't just work like that. [20:12]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: can make this go if you really want to. [20:13]
mircea_popescu orly ? [20:13]
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xanthyos if someone's gpg key is on a computer that is being held captive by an angry muslim ex boyfriend and they make a new wot account and then later recover the old key, can the ratings of those two accounts be merged? [20:21]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1000 @ 0.00120273 = 1.2027 BTC [+] {2} [20:21]
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asciilifeform xanthyos: say boyfriend did not use key. but gave a copy to the Khalif. [20:22]
xanthyos well he doesn't have the passphrase for it [20:22]
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xanthyos but the security isn't my question [20:22]
xanthyos would all the people who gave rating have to be notified to rerate to the new account manually [20:23]
xanthyos i'm asking for bagels7 [20:23]
xanthyos who is in a predicament. [20:23]
nubbins` s/notified/begged [20:23]
nubbins` sums up the situation more succinctly [20:23]
xanthyos well that's inconvenient [20:24]
nubbins` hey duod it's me, `xanthyos`, can you give me a re-rate bru? i lost my key lol [20:24]
nubbins` losing your key is, indeed, quite inconvenient. [20:24]
xanthyos well if it's someone i can authenticate as the same person [20:24]
xanthyos i'm saying if they later recovered the key [20:25]
xanthyos and proved they were the same person in that sense [20:25]
asciilifeform !s shall be delivered [20:25]
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xanthyos so the ratings are all real [20:25]
nubbins` what are you even talking about [20:25]
xanthyos it's not a lost key it's a currently inaccessible key because it's behind a locked physical door [20:26]
nubbins` at least call these "hypothetical" people alice and bob so we can follow you [20:26]
nubbins` so your laptop is locked in someone's house [20:26]
nubbins` what's your question [20:26]
xanthyos alice's laptop is locked in bob's house [20:26]
xanthyos alice has ratings in the wot [20:26]
xanthyos can alice make wot account alice2 knowing that she'll get her alice1 account back eventually [20:27]
asciilifeform you and i shall be free to presume instead that alice is on a sea voyage, and alice2 is actuall nsa shill [20:27]
xanthyos and upon recovering alice1 prove that both are the same and merge their ratings [20:27]
mike_c what's the rush? if she'll get alice1 back, just wair. [20:28]
mike_c *wait [20:28]
xanthyos i can't go into that without giving explicit private information [20:29]
mike_c my $0.02 is I wouldn't re-rate without a good answer to that question. [20:29]
xanthyos in a public log [20:29]
nubbins` i also wouldn't re-rate [20:29]
mike_c where "good" really means.. i don't think there is a good reason. [20:29]
mike_c because when you start putting random qualifiers on good answers, you get scammed. [20:30]
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xanthyos my question was only if there was a way to merge so rerating wouldn't be an issue if one could prove via gribble to simultaneously own two accounts [20:30]
mike_c that would be a bug, not a feature. [20:30]
mike_c someone can move my rating to a different account? that's silliness. [20:31]
xanthyos are you rating the account or the person? [20:31]
kakobrekla update the key in wot? [20:31]
mike_c the account is the person. [20:31]
asciilifeform are you rating the account or the person? << 'have sex - with humans; do business - with keys' (mircea) [20:31]
xanthyos i guess that protects people from making offensive name accounts and making it look like you endorse them [20:31]
xanthyos the concept of their name [20:32]
xanthyos use your imaginations [20:32]
xanthyos so then i guess just as ratings can't be moved accounts probably can't be renamed [20:32]
mats_cd03 nope [20:34]
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nubbins` ;;gettrust othernubs` [20:34]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user nubbins` to user othernubs`: Level 1: 10, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Mon Oct 20 00:55:51 2014 [20:34]
nubbins` how is this not adequate [20:35]
xanthyos heh [20:35]
xanthyos yeah that's fine [20:35]
xanthyos finally a time when 10 trust makes sense [20:35]
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kakobrekla i trust myself only with a 9 [20:36]
nubbins` see the thing is, you want a message from alice saying "alice1 is my backup pgp key in case this one gets stolen" [20:36]
xanthyos it's like warp 10, trust 10 simultaneously occupies every place of faith in the universe [20:36]
nubbins` but you want it after alice has been stolen. [20:36]
nubbins` it's too late by that point [20:36]
nubbins` and if you'd done it before alice had been stolen, well, i suppose your alice1 woulda been stolen too, huh? [20:37]
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nubbins` the key is to be able to demonstrably prove that you are who you say you are without use of a pgp key [20:38]
nubbins` not everyone can pull this off [20:38]
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xanthyos what my "aura" isn't enough guys? clearly it's me. [20:38]
nubbins` clearly [20:38]
asciilifeform nubbins` << can, possibly, prove who you are (for some value of 'who'), but not that you owned the key [20:39]
nubbins` nod [20:39]
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nubbins` that's an important distinction [20:40]
xanthyos wot accounts are people like corporations are people [20:40]
kakobrekla this raises a question, can schizophrenic even use pgp as intended? [20:42]
xanthyos no, that analogy falls apart in that corporate personhood removes accountability while wot accounthood demands it [20:42]
xanthyos oh intersting [20:43]
xanthyos interesting** [20:43]
xanthyos not schizophrenic but you mean dissociative personalities [20:43]
nubbins` kakobrekla runaway thoughts prevent one from using pgp? o.O [20:43]
xanthyos if it's a compartmentalized individual [20:43]
kakobrekla yeah sure, that [20:43]
nubbins` cold, plague, w/e [20:44]
kakobrekla dissociative personalities < in such setup, does one personality have access to others passwords? [20:45]
xanthyos hyde doesn't know jekyll's passphrase [20:45]
xanthyos although how much of keyboarding is conscious and how much is muscle memory? does the body remember the sequence of muscle contractions well enough for the passphrase to be typed without knowing it/ [20:48]
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BingoBoingo [20:50]
assbot USMS Auctioning More Bitcoins | ... ( ) [20:50]
nubbins` ha [20:52]
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asciilifeform usms << waterfall! [20:55]
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BingoBoingo ;;ticker [20:58]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 380.52, Best ask: 381.69, Bid-ask spread: 1.17000, Last trade: 381.7, 24 hour volume: 23277.77066544, 24 hour low: 375.0, 24 hour high: 415.0, 24 hour vwap: 396.595304938 [20:59]
kakobrekla assbot now appends a hidemyass proxy link btw. use it for opening links from unknown people and qntra and trilema when down [21:00]
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mike_c "The USMS will not release any information to the general public pertaining to the auction process or results." [21:01]
mike_c how is this legal? [21:02]
kakobrekla how is this new? [21:02]
BingoBoingo mike_c: "To enforce the law one must be above the reach of the law" is pretty much the US m.o. since... Nixon at least [21:03]
gernika Anyone have any references to the legal rationale for selling seized assets prior to a verdict and before the appeals process has completed? [21:04]
mike_c this guy has been pinging them once a month about his foia.. they went from stalling to ignoring. very gox of them. [21:04]
assbot USMS Silk Road Bitcoin Auction Results | Muckrock ... ( ) [21:04]
asciilifeform the 'rationale' is - 'you are furniture' [21:04]
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xanthyos 50k btc sold under mkt value with unreleased results is a good way to lay the groundwork for intentional price plummet [21:07]
gernika There must be some convoluted explanation as to why that's OK though [21:07]
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xanthyos because they said so? [21:08]
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asciilifeform xanthyos: [21:08]
assbot Buterin's Waterfall, a Likbez | ... ( ) [21:08]
BingoBoingo ;;later tell Pierre_Rochard You ask questions on twitter that have answers here [21:12]
gribble The operation succeeded. [21:12]
Pierre_Rochard BingoBoingo: just trollin around haha [21:13]
BingoBoingo !s bitcoingirl [21:13]
assbot 216 results for 'bitcoingirl' : [21:13]
BingoBoingo ;;seen bitcoingirl [21:14]
Pierre_Rochard Person from Digital Currency Council sent me a message on linkedin telling me I should pay them for training [21:14]
gribble bitcoingirl was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 23 weeks, 0 days, 20 hours, 57 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: the shavers case hasn't gone to trial yet [21:14]
TheNewDeal would love to see someone drop 50k or so bitcoin on an "exchange" prior to this auction [21:14]
BingoBoingo Pierre_Rochard: Tell then you know a guy, rates are more favorable. Say here's the contact info and just give them my GPG fingerprint [21:15]
Pierre_Rochard “I don't see you in the WoT: Do you have a nickname you're using?” <- my response [21:15]
Pierre_Rochard is bitcoingirl Lee Bard? [21:15]
BingoBoingo Pierre_Rochard: bitcoingirl is Ms Boring [21:15]
Pierre_Rochard Ah, she’s dgitial chamber of commerce [21:16]
BingoBoingo Ah, there's so many of these DCC's now [21:16]
Pierre_Rochard digital currency council is another pretend thing, they want to be a professional organization [21:16]
Pierre_Rochard yeah, they got tired of bit that and coin this, it’s all digital currency now [21:16]
Pierre_Rochard that’s what passes for originality [21:17]
asciilifeform 'digital currencies' << a variant of the 'teach the controversy' propaganda technique discussed here earlier. create a category where there only exists a concrete. [21:17]
asciilifeform !s teaching the controversy [21:18]
assbot 5 results for 'teaching the controversy' : [21:18]
BingoBoingo Pierre_Rochard: Well if you can figure out who they are feel free to submit a likbez to Qntra [21:18]
thestringpuller that mr. rochard, so hot righ tnow [21:18]
asciilifeform need to sell turds, when folks are asking for sausages? declare that now people shall eat 'cylindricals' [21:18]
thestringpuller that's fucked up asciilifeform [21:19]
asciilifeform presto! turds are now 'a type of cylindrical' and by implication will stand in for sausage [21:19]
thestringpuller i've been terrified by that ever since I saw Soylent Green [21:19]
Pierre_Rochard haha, exactly. These people will tell you “well Ethereum and Ripple seem to be gaining traction, so Bitcon may not be ~the~ digital currency, we need to stay flexible” [21:20]
BingoBoingo thestringpuller: Don't worry. You don't need meat. Protein is fine, have Prion jerky! [21:20]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: understand the subtle but important distinction. they will have you believe that it -is- meat. [21:26]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: [21:26]
assbot Logged on 17-11-2014 04:35:56; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they wish to steal not merely the farmer's cow, but to also steal the farmer's "having being stolen from" << usg (and the 'enlightenment') in one sentence. [21:26]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Ah. [21:27]
BingoBoingo I have to stumble through the variations of these forms [21:27]
nubbins` [21:30]
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nubbins` <+asciilifeform> need to sell turds, when folks are asking for sausages? declare that now people shall eat 'cylindricals' <<< amazing [21:31]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [21:31]
nubbins` "in a chocolatey coating" [21:31]
nubbins` the y stands for sodium benzoate, vegetable oil, and a special evaporative process that removes all cocoa [21:31]
BingoBoingo nubbins`: That sets expectations for flavor. Just go with a "creamy" coating. [21:32]
nubbins` with a brown, easily meltable coating [21:32]
nubbins` wait now we're selling turds again [21:32]
nubbins` bbl buying ingredients for 김치 찌개 [21:34]
punkman nubbins`: puffins, radio waves, wat? [21:35]
nubbins` [21:36]
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asciilifeform nubbins`: << relevant [21:39]
assbot The Project Gutenberg eBook of [21:39]
nubbins` hah, awesome. [21:40]
nubbins` We recognize the Parrot by his clear articulation, For Carrots are unable to engage in conversation. [21:40]
Pierre_Rochard !s likbez [21:42]
assbot 12 results for 'likbez' : [21:42]
mircea_popescu if someone's gpg key is on a computer that is being held captive by an angry muslim ex boyfriend and they make a new wot account and then later recover the old key, can the ratings of those two accounts be merged? << how would an observer distinguish this situation from "angry muslim ex boyfriend finally manages to break into gpg key on ex gf's computer he hedl" ? [21:42]
mircea_popescu how is this legal? << the law of "no way out" [21:43]
mircea_popescu Series A blocks consist of 2,000 coins and a deposit of $100,000 is required per bid entered on Series A. <<< 10%. ie, "MP was right". [21:45]
mircea_popescu Bids that are contingent on financing terms of any kind will not be considered.<< funny what the usg thinks of its own banking industry anyway :D [21:46]
mircea_popescu The United States Marshals Service reserves the right to sell some, all or none of the bitcoins for any reason. There is no disclosed reserve price for this auction.< << check the shit out. "secret reserve, will not announce winner". [21:47]
mircea_popescu chumpatronics at its finest, "we would like a list of rich people interested in bitcoin, mind sending us a signed form ?" / "hey, USMS can implement tardstalk scam actions too! We even hired Garr as an expert consultant" [21:47]
BingoBoingo Even has the name perversion thing going on too: Ebama/Thermos [21:50]
TheNewDeal Ollama [21:51]
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chetty wyatt earp would be horrified [21:56]
BingoBoingo [21:58]
assbot Rick Snyder Announces Michigan Cyber Civilian Corps | ... ( ) [21:58]
thestringpuller scoopbot doesn't got the scoop yet? [22:00]
chetty [22:00]
assbot Manufacturers warn that the world may soon run out of chocolate - The Week ... ( ) [22:00]
BingoBoingo ^ Blame Obola [22:01]
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adlai mircea_popescu: sorry for vanishing, had to tend to some fires, and put out other ones [22:21]
mircea_popescu kik [22:21]
mircea_popescu [22:21]
assbot The United States Scammers Service, Formerly Marshalls Service. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [22:21]
adlai << putting signatures in pastebin... I guess the known plaintext aspect can be circumvented by only including the signature data, rather than a whole --clearsign [22:22]
assbot Logged on 17-11-2014 16:10:49; mircea_popescu: Adlai: i'm not a huge fan of leaving open the door to known-cleartext snooping through pastebin verification << le explain ? [22:22]
mircea_popescu adlai suppose i download your pubkey and encrypt "adlai is a poopyhead" to it five billion times. [22:22]
mircea_popescu this, iyo, has put me epsilon closer towards obtaining your priv key ? [22:22]
adlai that's a little different from what gribble gpg auth does [22:23]
mircea_popescu explain ? [22:23]
adlai maybe I'm doing it wrong, but ";;auth adlai" gives me a challenge string, and I need to reply ";;verify" with a signature for the challenge string, using my wot key [22:23]
assbot Unknown Paste ID ... ( ) [22:23]
mircea_popescu yeah, you are. [22:23]
mircea_popescu ;;eauth mircea_popescu [22:24]
mircea_popescu Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from [22:24]
assbot ... ( ) [22:24]
mircea_popescu curl|gpg [22:24]
assbot 404 Not Found ... ( ) [22:24]
adlai ok, I was using ;;auth [22:25]
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mircea_popescu science progressed :) [22:25]
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adlai it's still more convenient to use ;;bcauth :P [22:28]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell pete_dushenski btw, next time someone goes on the "marketing Bitcoin" kick, you can always use : "Get lost and don’t come back until you can either think or do something useful. Contrary to what you might have self-aggrandizingly imagined, we don’t want you. Yo [22:28]
mircea_popescu u need us, of course, but that’s an entirely different discussion.". it's what it's for. [22:28]
gribble Error: No closing quotation [22:28]
assbot The USG wasted another hundred million dollars it previously stole from average, hard working US citizens. Nobody cares. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [22:28]
gernika to answer my own question above, the value of the coins in USD will be retained in escrow until the outcome of the case is decided. [22:29]
mircea_popescu adlai "convenient" [22:29]
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-assbot- You voiced Pierre_Rochard for 30 minutes. [22:30]
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adlai convenience is king, the rest is bunk [22:30]
mircea_popescu your king is nude. [22:31]
adlai "Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society." - sammy C [22:33]
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mircea_popescu adlai << tell it to her. [22:41]
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thestringpuller Kim acts out because she'll be irrelevant when her youth is gone. [22:45]
thestringpuller Not everyone can be Betty White. [22:45]
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mircea_popescu well, if "perfect butt, perfect shape" is your thing, then obviously it only lasts a little. [22:48]
mircea_popescu somehow people don't seem to say the same about athletes. [22:48]
mircea_popescu what the fuck do i care what maradona does after he's too old to play ? [22:48]
punkman I've heard the same about athletes, not uncommon [22:48]
mircea_popescu i'm certainly going to remember fuckable kim long after i forgot any and all sitcom writers for crying out loud. [22:49]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla: i trust myself only with a 9 << just as long as you find a kim to trust you with her 6. [22:51]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla: this raises a question, can schizophrenic even use pgp as intended? <<< well if he has split personality, then they won't know about each other's keys. [22:51]
adlai pls [22:53]
mircea_popescu xanthyos: 50k btc sold under mkt value with unreleased results is a good way to lay the groundwork for intentional price plummet <<< if it had worked. [22:53]
adlai schizophrenia does not exist [22:53]
adlai it's a made up concept to lump together a bunch of conditions that psych(olog|iatr)ists have epsilon understanding of [22:53]
mircea_popescu do tell ? [22:53]
mircea_popescu hm. [22:53]
mircea_popescu there is something there tho. [22:54]
mircea_popescu but otherwise, sure. [22:54]
adlai there are several somethings [22:54]
mircea_popescu mayhap. [22:54]
adlai no, seriously. some big association of mental scientists (lol) recently admitted that they have nfc what schizophrenia actually is, and that they should probably drop the term and start analyzing the conditions it refers to from a blank page [22:55]
mircea_popescu adlai the derps in question make no difference. but, yeah, the problem has long stood. [22:56]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: need to sell turds, when folks are asking for sausages? declare that now people shall eat 'cylindricals' << not bad. [22:56]
mircea_popescu "beverage" comes to mind. because yeah, carbonated high fructose corn syrup needs a thing to be, like water and wine. [22:57]
mircea_popescu jurov: i need the codes then :D << you know i just use the webirc hostmask they come in with right ? [22:58]
adlai << ok, they didn't officially delete it, but have been revising the definition to the point where it's about as precise as "batshit fucking crazy" [22:58]
assbot DSM-5 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( ) [22:58]
kakobrekla "they didn't officially delete it" < lol [22:58]
mircea_popescu the dsm has nothing to do with psychology. [22:59]
mircea_popescu it's an acceptable if overvoluminous textbook for treating broken bones. [22:59]
TheNewDeal it's a nice meta piece on psychologists [22:59]
mircea_popescu lol [23:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH2] 2600 @ 0.0012 = 3.12 BTC [23:00]
adlai it gives you a resolution bound for the precision of mental disorder diagnosis [23:00]
mircea_popescu and now, off to play aurum blade, because i am getting retarded in my old age. [23:00]
mircea_popescu (but seriously, if you, like me are a fan of the old amiga stuff, with HARD mobs and tough as nail bosses etc ? try it.) [23:00]
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adlai you're not retarted, you're centenariophrenic [23:01]
TheNewDeal ;;nethash [23:03]
gribble 292934223.302 [23:03]
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adlai "... Now we should call them economical numbers" [23:05]
thestringpuller ;;seen BingoBoingo [23:06]
gribble BingoBoingo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 hour, 4 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: ^ Blame Obola [23:06]
adlai did bingo died of obbola? [23:06]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: you ever play dark souls? [23:06]
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cazalla seems BingoBoingo has been busy this morning and scooped me on the news before i was even awake [23:11]
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thestringpuller cazalla: now for round two [23:23]
cazalla thestringpuller, need a few cuppas first [23:24]
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kakobrekla [23:28]
assbot Snapchat - Introducing Snapcash ... ( ) [23:28]
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TheNewDeal From the article "We set out to make payments faster and more fun!!!" [23:36]
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undata the hipsters all use snapchat to send each other dick pics [23:39]
thestringpuller here's a dick pick + some dollars [23:41]
thestringpuller also aren't hipsters poor? [23:41]
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thestringpuller tits 4 snapcash!!! [23:42]
thestringpuller well snapchat deletes your photo after its viewed doncha know*** [23:43]
undata suddenly the use case becomes clear. [23:44]
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