Forum logs for 15 Aug 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

asciilifeform	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQMqOIM-_zk << harsh americanized version	[00:00]
assbot	Patrick - Maryčka Magdonova + text - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1J6iBO5 )	[00:00]
trinque	jesus christ my sister just quoted The Prince and called it a quote from The Office	[00:02]
trinque	if the point about culture wasn't made well enough already...	[00:02]
trinque	re: being loved and/or feared	[00:03]
cazalla	asciilifeform, in your rotor guide, can you help me understand what step 6 asks me to do?	[00:03]
cazalla	specifically "and fill distfiles with tarballs, etc. as before." is this just all the patches?	[00:04]
asciilifeform	it means: make a stator	[00:04]
asciilifeform	and place it in rotor/stator	[00:04]
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asciilifeform	and it's all jurov's fault!	[00:06]
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asciilifeform	cazalla: if you have an existing stator, clean out the guts and use that.	[00:12]
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asciilifeform	https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/83/Pomn%C3%ADk_Mary%C4%8Dky_Magdonov%C3%A9.jpg << mega-winner of a statue! betcha the kidz think the chick died as a partizan in ww2	[00:25]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1J6m2nO )	[00:25]
asciilifeform	what are the belching smokestacks doing in the background ?!!	[00:25]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: is there a soviet mega-statuelith of fefeleaga somewhere ?	[00:29]
asciilifeform	wtf, http://radioenigmaromania.ro/blog/celebrul-personaj-fefeleaga-a-fost-cat-se-poate-de-real-afla-povestea-fascinanta-a-eroinei_26192.html	[00:30]
assbot	Celebrul personaj “Fefeleaga” a fost cât se poate de real. Află povestea fascinantă a eroinei! \| Radio Enigma Romania ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mpog7i )	[00:30]
asciilifeform	^ claims she was somebody's grand-grandmom, and only ! only 3 of her 6 offspring died	[00:31]
asciilifeform	this is again reminiscent of 'grave of the fireflies', autobiographical animation, author's father - unlike protagonist's - came back from jp navy; author - did not starve in an underground station. but he WISHED that he had	[00:32]
asciilifeform	so extra-depressionified the story	[00:32]
trinque	a guy I respect told me that one could maybe hope to change the world in one specific way, but that intending to change the world arbitrarily was the mark of hubris	[00:45]
trinque	relates imo to the Fefeleaga story	[00:46]
trinque	look at her abjection, and yet, what could you possibly do to prevent future Fefeleagas	[00:46]
trinque	not a goddamn thing. as (clears his throat) MJK of Tool wrote, "The universe is hostile, so impersonal. Devour to survive; so it is, so it's always been."	[00:47]
trinque	and since such thoughts are usually associated with a sort of brutal perspective, let me ask: which is worse, the mind which accepts the harsh reality of existing or the one which struggles against it?	[00:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35850 @ 0.00065117 = 23.3444 BTC [+] {2}	[01:00]
asciilifeform	trinque: easy one	[01:03]
asciilifeform	trinque: the mind that invents death ray and spins round, round, round with it, 'for piglet!'	[01:03]
asciilifeform	( canonical: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=25-06-2015#1176872 )	[01:04]
assbot	Logged on 25-06-2015 21:47:45; assbot: Logged on 03-02-2015 23:43:58; asciilifeform: winnie pooh walks into a butcher's shop, asks 'got mortadella' ? answer, 'sure' winnie pooh draws a submachinegun and spins round, round, round with it, mowing down everything that moves: 'for piiigleet!'	[01:04]
asciilifeform	trinque: the thing about fefeleaga in my mind is that the stock off-the-shelf model of existence is a guaranteed suckfest.	[01:08]
asciilifeform	see mr.o, 'The great mass of human beings are not acutely selfish. After the age of about thirty they almost abandon the sense of being individuals at all — and live chiefly for others, or are simply smothered under drudgery. But there is also the minority of gifted, willful people who are determined to live their own lives to the end'	[01:08]
asciilifeform	and 'The impulse to cling to youth at all costs, to attempt to preserve your sexual attraction, to see even in middle age a future for yourself and not merely for your children, is a thing of recent growth and has only precariously established itself. It will probably disappear again when our standard of living drops and our birth-rate rises.'	[01:09]
asciilifeform	fefeleaga is sop	[01:09]
asciilifeform	it is the other items on the menu which are experimental, high-tech oddities, like particle accelerator.	[01:09]
asciilifeform	yes, just like it.	[01:10]
trinque	asciilifeform: first off, goddamn if I didn't just bellow laughter across the bar at "for piglet!"	[01:14]
trinque	and indeed, fefeleaga is the baseline	[01:14]
trinque	this is what we will amount to absent intelligence, luck, etc	[01:15]
trinque	but then too, my end is just like hers	[01:15]
trinque	absent "purpose" or whatever, just pain and desolation	[01:15]
trinque	there is freedom in that, but I'm not ready to articulate it	[01:15]
trinque	that freedom is why the story made me smile, horrible though it is	[01:17]
cazalla	http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/08/8chan-hosted-content-disappears-from-google-searches/	[01:17]
assbot	8chan-hosted content disappears from Google searches \| Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1NhiF3E )	[01:17]
trinque	admitting death, perhaps we are freer to do as we please in life	[01:18]
trinque	cazalla: damnatio googoliae	[01:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7980 @ 0.00065692 = 5.2422 BTC [+] {3}	[01:26]
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gernika	Saddest stories I read in school were Bridge to Terebithia, and Where the Red Fern Grows. Not comparable to Fefeleaga I don't think.	[01:33]
trinque	it's why I enjoy good metal	[01:35]
trinque	death is always there, staring at you	[01:35]
trinque	anticipating you	[01:36]
gernika	My Dad did enjoy telling me the story of the Donner Party. One of his favorites.	[01:37]
trinque	sure, you'd do it	[01:37]
trinque	no matter how high a man ascends, he is also that	[01:37]
trinque	starve him, and he will eat	[01:37]
trinque	back him into a corner, and he will kill	[01:37]
trinque	hence we are a species that inhabits every continent, and sometimes space beyond	[01:38]
trinque	and hopefully much more of the latter, in the future	[01:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30800 @ 0.0006469 = 19.9245 BTC [-]	[01:45]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00064249 = 8.9949 BTC [-] {3}	[02:01]
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mircea_popescu	i dunno about that theory.	[02:49]
mircea_popescu	i dun think i'd eat person unless it tasted well.	[02:49]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform can't say jew, it's bad!	[02:51]
mircea_popescu	re: being loved and/or feared << it's actually a quote from that de niro film :D chaz palminteri says it :D	[02:53]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the notion of making statues for imaginary entities was not really well rooted.	[02:55]
mircea_popescu	and yes it was a real character. the guy didn't write fiction. he just wrote well and so plenty of his ethnographic notations read more like blogposts.	[02:56]
mircea_popescu	this is what we will amount to absent intelligence, luck, etc << you will have quite the hill to conquer in showing the woman was bereft intelligence.	[02:59]
mircea_popescu	8chan-hosted-content-disappears-from-google-searches/ << there's an iron curtain now falling on teh internets, . it's us and them.	[03:00]
mircea_popescu	it is ok to seek a twitter wrapper of x, just not x. because twitter gotta eat, and all that.	[03:02]
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shinohai	http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/08/150813-uncontacted-amazon-tribes-peru-brazil/	[06:11]
assbot	Some Isolated Tribes in the Amazon Are Initiating Contact ... ( http://bit.ly/1LbEMWN )	[06:11]
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BingoBoingo	https://i.imgur.com/TWL7uf7.png	[06:12]
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cazalla	asciilifeform, ./bitcoind -myip=... -connect 195.211.54.59 throws error "couldn't connect to server", any ideas why?	[06:25]
cazalla	ah dw	[06:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8336 @ 0.00065829 = 5.4875 BTC [+]	[06:29]
shinohai	@ BingoBoingo lulzy log	[06:39]
punkman	watched the new mad max flick yesterday, not too bad	[06:59]
punkman	slightly annoying that you can't hear anyone talk over all the explosions, unless you turn the volume way up	[07:00]
punkman	then again, not a lot of talking	[07:00]
shinohai	I bought some headphones last week, I may waych it with those.	[07:03]
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punkman	!up Vexual	[07:08]
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punkman	I expected titties but all I got was the babes derping about not being property	[07:19]
shinohai	https://i.imgur.com/z3butAL.jpg	[07:20]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1LdvLiJ )	[07:20]
punkman	is that a cucumber?	[07:20]
shinohai	;;later tell mod6 the real cumber^	[07:20]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[07:20]
shinohai	Yes that is, in fact, a cucumber with a condom stretched over it.	[07:21]
punkman	;;halfreward	[07:31]
gribble	Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Wed Jul 27 22:10:36 2016 UTC \| Time remaining: 49 weeks, 4 days, 11 hours, 40 minutes, and 0 seconds.	[07:31]
punkman	;;bc,bull	[07:32]
gribble	Next Price Estimate: 292.523 \| Next Price In About 3 days, 1 hour, 53 minutes, and 34 seconds	[07:32]
punkman	s.nsa already has that	[07:36]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30837 @ 0.0006618 = 20.4079 BTC [+] {6}	[07:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00066737 = 6.8739 BTC [+]	[07:40]
punkman	http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/15/your-money/airbnb-horror-story-points-to-need-for-precautions.html	[07:40]
punkman	!up Vexual	[07:40]
assbot	Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1LdwG2E )	[07:40]
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punkman	http://www.sciencemag.org/content/349/6249/677.full	[07:47]
assbot	Modified yeast produce opiates from sugar ... ( http://bit.ly/1LdxaWz )	[07:47]
punkman	http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/16/opinion/sunday/how-california-is-winning-the-drought.html	[07:52]
assbot	Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1HNx7ZV )	[07:52]
punkman	"Some California farmers have turned to drip irrigation to reduce their water use." << ah welcome to state of the art in 1970 greece	[07:53]
shinohai	Vexual: Do you have a helpful photograph of what a murderous tranny looks like ?	[07:53]
shinohai	bummer	[07:53]
shinohai	There goes like half of backpage	[07:54]
punkman	water reserves running out?	[07:59]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55700 @ 0.00067933 = 37.8387 BTC [+] {7}	[08:13]
punkman	up it goes	[08:14]
cazalla	http://www.pcauthority.com.au/News/407894,microsoft-can-disable-your-pirated-games-and-illegal-hardware.aspx	[08:14]
assbot	Microsoft can disable your pirated games and illegal hardware - PC & Tech Authority ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ldz4qq )	[08:14]
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BingoBoingo	Oh, yet another party copying MP http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20150815113053&mode=expanded&count=1	[10:57]
assbot	The OpenBSD Foundation Announces New Silver Donor: Yandex ... ( http://bit.ly/1JYuRoQ )	[10:57]
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shinohai	lol YANDEX	[11:05]
shinohai	teh Google of Rusha	[11:05]
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BingoBoingo	shinohai: I personally think this is the same process that slowly lead even Thermos to denounce Gavin, just... once enough time had passed to make MP espoused sanity seem original to the uninitiated	[11:18]
shinohai	I was rather shocked tbh. reddit has come out w/pitchferks	[11:19]
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shinohai	http://redd.it/3gskm1	[11:41]
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asciilifeform	http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D9C5494A7B03BBA6E8699AF3EBACA1A2E3ED77906921EB829571A5AEF2623FBC	[12:22]
asciilifeform	gcd==519691042937; Andrew Orr	[12:22]
asciilifeform	;;later tell lobbes where's the bot?	[12:22]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[12:22]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2015#1238523 << and 'unknown soldier' is what ?	[12:23]
assbot	Logged on 15-08-2015 05:54:33; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the notion of making statues for imaginary entities was not really well rooted.	[12:23]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2015#1238525 << he might have been thinking of something else, not intelligence, possibly this: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-07-2015#1193609	[12:25]
assbot	Logged on 15-08-2015 05:58:54; mircea_popescu: this is what we will amount to absent intelligence, luck, etc << you will have quite the hill to conquer in showing the woman was bereft intelligence.	[12:25]
assbot	Logged on 08-07-2015 19:35:21; ascii_field: interestingly, old norse, even, had a very specific word for this trait	[12:25]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2015#1238536 << maybe because it's actually 195.211.154.159 ?	[12:25]
assbot	Logged on 15-08-2015 09:24:15; cazalla: asciilifeform, ./bitcoind -myip=... -connect 195.211.54.59 throws error "couldn't connect to server", any ideas why?	[12:25]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2015#1238532 << what i'd like to know is what became of the famous yanomamo tribe. last i heard, they traded a load of animal skins for a crate of shotguns, and that was the last anybody heard of'em..	[12:29]
assbot	Logged on 15-08-2015 09:10:39; shinohai: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/08/150813-uncontacted-amazon-tribes-peru-brazil/	[12:29]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2015#1238564 << when i get to shoot the alarm clock. and never buy a new one.	[12:30]
assbot	Logged on 15-08-2015 10:32:36; Vexual: how long till alf stops crying poor?	[12:30]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2015#1238595 << when boiling the proverbial frog, when it gets cooked enough you can just turn up the heat to whatever. srsly, they included a keylogger and admitted to it. why should they not also rape you in every other possible hole, and drill new ones as desired ?	[12:31]
assbot	Logged on 15-08-2015 11:13:56; cazalla: http://www.pcauthority.com.au/News/407894,microsoft-can-disable-your-pirated-games-and-illegal-hardware.aspx	[12:32]
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shinohai	https://i.imgur.com/AsK2NvC.png	[12:37]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1PeRcxO )	[12:37]
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asciilifeform	https://rjlipton.wordpress.com/2015/08/14/cryptography-and-quicksand << lulzies	[12:52]
assbot	Cryptography And Quicksand \| Gödel's Lost Letter and P=NP ... ( http://bit.ly/1JYE28L )	[12:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78453 @ 0.00067087 = 52.6318 BTC [-]	[12:53]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu ^	[12:57]
asciilifeform	i just love these gloriously educated folks who carry on pretending we don't exist.	[12:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63500 @ 0.00067038 = 42.5691 BTC [-] {3}	[12:59]
asciilifeform	https://rjlipton.wordpress.com/2012/06/28/area-51 << lulzy	[13:01]
assbot	Area 51 \| Gödel's Lost Letter and P=NP ... ( http://bit.ly/1JYFckM )	[13:01]
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asciilifeform	not a bad www though.	[13:08]
asciilifeform	it is so rare to meet with folks who aren't howlingly retarded.	[13:08]
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mod6	<+shinohai> ;;later tell mod6 the real cumber^ << ahhaha	[13:15]
shinohai	cucumber.io can thank me for the marketing tip later	[13:16]
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mod6	heheh.	[13:49]
jurov	http://hiddenlolcdn.com/i/43526.gif :) nsfw	[13:50]
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mod6	So, if anyone wants to try out these automated cucumber tests on v0.5.4-TEST2 w/rotor ; I have some recipes that work on: ubuntu 10.04, deb6/7/8 and gentoo. Just send me a PM and I'll work with you on it.	[13:52]
mod6	Meanwhile, now I'm gonna see if I can figure out this new versioning email. The hard part is going to be having to verify everything posted, and re-writing all of our documentation.	[13:54]
mod6	asciilifeform: Are you planning on posting each patch (that we've since included in rel1, rel2) in a separate email to the list with a detached sig and included sha512?	[13:55]
mod6	Sounds like from your email, that's pretty much the plan...	[13:56]
mod6	Just curious.	[13:56]
mircea_popescu	https://i.imgur.com/TWL7uf7.png << the reason HE can't have "his own opinions" is simply that he's hounding her. just like used car, insurance and aluminum sides salesmen can't have their own opinions.	[14:05]
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BingoBoingo	Oh, you though people who posted caps like that to reddit/voad/twatter would be anything other than derpy siding salesmen?	[14:07]
mircea_popescu	well in this case he's some dude, speaking enligsh on a gadget. so... yeah, he's the sort that begs for sex.	[14:08]
punkman	he only begs ironically	[14:08]
mircea_popescu	oh ok then	[14:11]
BingoBoingo	Of course	[14:11]
mircea_popescu	/sarcasm	[14:11]
mircea_popescu	anyway, the dudes that women hound are just as retarded. take me for instance : there's a shitton of opinions woman can't hold. recently met a very sweet girl, smart, decent figure. she's an argentine, so her only real chance to eat is to work for the government - there's really no productive activity going on here, much like it were say detroit. so she was some derpy "social worker" and aiming to either seniorize into	[14:13]
mircea_popescu	the civil corps or maybe run for office as she ages. like you know, hillary.	[14:13]
mircea_popescu	obviously that in that context, her choices are between depression and socialist ideas. so understandably, she had a lot of notions about "the people" and "the good".	[14:13]
mircea_popescu	notions which also happen to be intolerable. such is lyf.	[14:14]
mircea_popescu	she got so heartbroken she deleted her whatever profile etc. but wtf am i to do, i won't hang out with some chick that actually thinks "the people bla bla". just like that chick won't hang out with some dude that's either short or thinks the boo boo about fatties. cuz she can.	[14:15]
mircea_popescu	punkman> "Some California farmers have turned to drip irrigation to reduce their water use." << ah welcome to state of the art in 1970 greece << word. i was rather impressed with what "intensive agriculture" meant down there.	[14:23]
mircea_popescu	damn, 67 huh ? meat today!	[14:23]
mod6	asciilifeform: ok cool! rel1.patch and rel2-pre.patch do apply cleanly to all of the existing patches	[14:24]
mod6	now, I need to just validate these hashes.	[14:25]
mircea_popescu	and 'unknown soldier' is what ? << there is no doubt that at least one soldier somewhere existed, right ? this is not abstract but synthetic, like a statue to an apple. "which apple".	[14:25]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2015#1238649 << detached sig, absolutely yes. posted as separate email each - absolutely fucking not	[14:26]
assbot	Logged on 15-08-2015 16:54:38; mod6: asciilifeform: Are you planning on posting each patch (that we've since included in rel1, rel2) in a separate email to the list with a detached sig and included sha512?	[14:26]
mircea_popescu	so it's a rebase basically	[14:27]
asciilifeform	approximately.	[14:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14150 @ 0.000665 = 9.4098 BTC [-] {2}	[14:29]
asciilifeform	folks were demanding a thing which you can ask 'find me the longest chain signed by mod6' etc	[14:29]
asciilifeform	so that's what i'm writing.	[14:29]
mircea_popescu	nothin' wrong with that.	[14:29]
asciilifeform	the basic unit of life in 'v' (apparatus) is the vdiff (output of vdiff.sh)	[14:29]
asciilifeform	the latter is included in the latest ml post	[14:30]
mircea_popescu	V is particularly apt.	[14:30]
asciilifeform	and is also in the log somewhere.	[14:30]
mircea_popescu	name something evvie while at it >D	[14:30]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2015#1238664 << wai wat, i thought mircea_popescu's hobby was to pick this wildlife up from the streets and reformat it	[14:31]
assbot	Logged on 15-08-2015 17:14:43; mircea_popescu: she got so heartbroken she deleted her whatever profile etc. but wtf am i to do, i won't hang out with some chick that actually thinks "the people bla bla". just like that chick won't hang out with some dude that's either short or thinks the boo boo about fatties. cuz she can.	[14:31]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform not at her age.	[14:31]
mircea_popescu	it works for 19yos, it is not worth the hassle with 29yos.	[14:32]
mod6	asciilifeform: yeah, one email is ok by me. just was curious what you had in mind.	[14:32]
asciilifeform	logical.	[14:32]
asciilifeform	mod6: what i have in mind is that this ends up being a box where you can drop in a sig (l1 !) and, optionally, one or more patches	[14:32]
asciilifeform	sig can be for existing patch in the list	[14:32]
asciilifeform	patch must be accompanied with sig	[14:33]
asciilifeform	(pairwise)	[14:33]
mircea_popescu	sounds about right.	[14:33]
asciilifeform	then everyone who did what mod6 did and verified that the universe of patches in 'orchestra' is actually identical to the previously published set but for the antecedent hashes,	[14:34]
asciilifeform	can submit sigs for them	[14:34]
asciilifeform	(with the proviso that he has read, grasped, each)	[14:34]
asciilifeform	ideally someone who isn't me has also verified the antecedents	[14:34]
asciilifeform	which entails doing exactly, word for word, what i did to make 'orchestra'	[14:35]
asciilifeform	meanwhile, from the loltrons,	[14:36]
asciilifeform	http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010235.html	[14:36]
assbot	[bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT 0.11A ... ( http://bit.ly/1WtlaUk )	[14:36]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform im pretty sure hanbot is doing exactly this	[14:36]
asciilifeform	and https://medium.com/@octskyward/why-is-bitcoin-forking-d647312d22c1	[14:37]
assbot	Why is Bitcoin forking? — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1WtloLn )	[14:37]
asciilifeform	^ hearn unzips and begins	[14:37]
mod6	http://dpaste.com/1QNT15C.txt << vdiff.sh seems to do what I thought it did. so thats cool.	[14:37]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1WtlqTn )	[14:37]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform no idea why retards seem to have all flocked to "medium.com" but hey.	[14:37]
asciilifeform	dun think i've seen it before	[14:38]
mircea_popescu	!s medium.com	[14:38]
assbot	71 results for 'medium.com' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=medium.com	[14:38]
asciilifeform	hm.	[14:38]
asciilifeform	'Congratulations Gavin and Mike on completing the patch to support larger block sizes. Although we all have ideological disagreements from time to time, two fundamental values of the Bitcoin community are freedom of choice and transparency of communication. Your work represents a big step in returning the power over Bitcoin's future back to the community where it belongs.' << l0l!!	[14:38]
mircea_popescu	at least 80% of those are patently retarded.	[14:38]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform who is this ?	[14:38]
asciilifeform	https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3h424p/why_is_bitcoin_forking << some tard	[14:39]
assbot	Why is Bitcoin forking? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1ffvPjM )	[14:39]
mod6	<+asciilifeform> mod6: what i have in mind is that this ends up being a box where you can drop in a sig (l1 !) and, optionally, one or more patches << yeah, this is good	[14:39]
mircea_popescu	so basically some tard wanted to pretend like he's important.	[14:39]
mircea_popescu	why am i reading some tard's pretense, no matter how he thinks he's "hooked it" into the events.	[14:39]
asciilifeform	finally mustered the balls to pull the trigger	[14:39]
asciilifeform	idk, asked 'who was this'	[14:39]
asciilifeform	answer 'some tard'	[14:40]
mircea_popescu	to quote some people - this is great for bitcoin.	[14:40]
mircea_popescu	https://www.reddit.com/user/Peter__R << some tard that economizes on copy.	[14:40]
assbot	overview for Peter__R ... ( http://bit.ly/1ffvYni )	[14:40]
asciilifeform	filipino	[14:41]
mircea_popescu	anyway. nobody cares. in the most literal sense of that word.	[14:41]
mircea_popescu	they can go fight eth for doge supremacy or w/e it is retards do.	[14:41]
mircea_popescu	"oh this failed project is so exciting - look, it even overtook last quarter's failed project on the failed projects list!!11"	[14:41]
asciilifeform	meanwhile my nodez are running hotter than ever	[14:42]
shinohai	How many nodes u running?	[14:42]
asciilifeform	same as before	[14:42]
asciilifeform	2 and 1/2	[14:42]
mircea_popescu	time to put up some more nodes huh ?	[14:42]
asciilifeform	there's another but i gotta travel to a somewhat distant place to plug the bugger in	[14:43]
asciilifeform	but what we really need is moar nodez on serious commercial boxes	[14:43]
mircea_popescu	ima bring a few up.	[14:43]
mod6	asciilifeform: here's what i've done so far with V, http://dpaste.com/2P6A59Y.txt	[14:43]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1WtnjiU )	[14:43]
mircea_popescu	incidentally, jurov and anyone else who might care : i will be wiping the archive of that hacker team thing. if you want copies of anything etc get it now.	[14:43]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: if not urgent, leave it up till monday night	[14:44]
asciilifeform	or not. i think i got what i needed	[14:44]
mircea_popescu	wasn't gonna do it right now.	[14:45]
mircea_popescu	but it's on teh list, it'll get done eventually, an' i know people have a habit to prevaricate.	[14:45]
asciilifeform	mod6: nice script and it will do until i'm done with the actual mechanism	[14:45]
*	mircea_popescu really likes the name V	[14:46]
mircea_popescu	a better name could not be had, for what this thing is and does.	[14:46]
*	asciilifeform likes short names for frequently used machines	[14:46]
mircea_popescu	"signatures offer the means to meaning, and for they who can listen, the enunciation of truth."	[14:46]
*	asciilifeform currently racking brain over how to make the thing verify in better than O(N^2)	[14:47]
mircea_popescu	why ?	[14:47]
asciilifeform	it gets annoying, fast	[14:47]
mircea_popescu	let me rephrase.	[14:47]
asciilifeform	because every single operation involves walking EVERY sig FOR EVERY patch	[14:47]
asciilifeform	because no other state.	[14:47]
mircea_popescu	why do you think this is possible and if you have any reason to think so why aren't you fixing bitcoin then	[14:47]
mircea_popescu	wait. for every patch in the line, right ?	[14:48]
asciilifeform	it is possible if one does something jurovish and requires, e.g., sigs to include what they are sigs for in the filename or the like	[14:48]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: mno, for every patch and every sig ever made.	[14:48]
mircea_popescu	ah that's nonsense.	[14:48]
asciilifeform	aha	[14:48]
asciilifeform	this is a place we end up in because pgp is retarded	[14:48]
asciilifeform	and one can't get a meaningful hash out of a sig	[14:48]
asciilifeform	(file hash)	[14:48]
mircea_popescu	we sadly have been overtaken by events in this point. i'd have much preferred to start work on this after the decanter work for "new pgp" was done.	[14:49]
asciilifeform	same	[14:49]
jurov	or do the same as with diff - add hash of content into every clearsigned doc	[14:50]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-06-2015#1178517	[14:50]
assbot	Logged on 26-06-2015 22:59:59; jurov: mod6 they append date and whatnot to data prior to hashing anyway	[14:50]
asciilifeform	jurov: NO	[14:50]
asciilifeform	jurov: no mutilations.	[14:50]
mircea_popescu	incidentally, re shinohai: I personally think this is the same process that slowly lead even Thermos to denounce Gavin, just... once enough time had passed to make MP espoused sanity seem original to the uninitiated <<< do not imagine that ms, yandex et all did not know same things i know. obviously trhey do, but they also had hoped they're somehow favoured sons. because "Terrorists will never do that, tr	[14:50]
mircea_popescu	ust me".	[14:50]
asciilifeform	because FUCKTARDED	[14:50]
mircea_popescu	bitcoin changes everything, of course, and outside the heaped plate of humilation lasagna it allowed me to forcefeed bob beck,	[14:51]
mircea_popescu	you can admire all the extra bezzle it forced microsoft & all to expend.	[14:51]
mircea_popescu	which, yes, it's a great thing for teh free world.	[14:51]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform hash in the doc is not a bad idea, eh ?	[14:51]
asciilifeform	of the doc!!?!??!!	[14:51]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[14:51]
asciilifeform	with 'escaped dashes', the whole shit soup?	[14:52]
asciilifeform	how about a big fat No.	[14:52]
mircea_popescu	looky : when i signed a piece of paper i nulled out the empty spaces.	[14:52]
mircea_popescu	a checksum's not a bad idea, why do you think it is a bad idea ?	[14:52]
asciilifeform	because it doesn't belong in-band.	[14:52]
BingoBoingo	^ hearn unzips and begins << So begins project Scott Tenorman	[14:52]
asciilifeform	because a file is unitary.	[14:52]
asciilifeform	because motherfucking unix philosophy.	[14:53]
mircea_popescu	so i can't include a hash of the document i nthe document.	[14:53]
asciilifeform	because what you end up with is two files who are somehow trying to sit in one chair	[14:53]
asciilifeform	now you can't sha512sum on the file, have to put it through a cutter	[14:53]
mircea_popescu	so by this theory, we should have one phone network for the network and another phone network for the control codes ?	[14:53]
asciilifeform	all modern phone networks actually do this.	[14:54]
asciilifeform	(not separate fiber, mind you, but may as well.)	[14:54]
mircea_popescu	can i include checksums in packets ?	[14:54]
mircea_popescu	or must have tcp packets and udp checksums separate ?	[14:54]
asciilifeform	l0l	[14:54]
mircea_popescu	well ?	[14:54]
asciilifeform	unix utils work as depicted in, e.g., vdiff.sh, deadly-simple, BECAUSE file is a solid abstraction	[14:54]
asciilifeform	can treat as stream	[14:55]
mircea_popescu	hm.	[14:55]
asciilifeform	if you want to break this, you get 100x the code and the gnomes.	[14:55]
asciilifeform	i ain't doing it.	[14:55]
mircea_popescu	either i've been very stupid for many years or you're just being nuts over here.	[14:55]
mircea_popescu	ima have to meditate on this.	[14:55]
asciilifeform	not without a much better reason than 'pgp breathes through its mouth'	[14:55]
jurov	asciilifeform: yo want to stream pgp signed stuff_	[14:55]
jurov	?	[14:56]
jurov	i don't get it too	[14:56]
asciilifeform	jurov: i get to checksum a patch by patch \| sha512sum or basta.	[14:56]
jurov	patch \| tail -n +1 \| sha512sum	[14:57]
asciilifeform	the pgp signature thing is fucktarded, can't believe for how long we've put up with it	[14:57]
asciilifeform	jurov: how about line endings	[14:57]
asciilifeform	now you have to CARE ABOUT THE INSIDES	[14:57]
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asciilifeform	fuck that.	[14:57]
jurov	okay i give up.. what now?	[14:57]
asciilifeform	!up cryptonaut420	[14:57]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform well obviouisly nobody ever used pgp for any serious purpose.	[14:58]
asciilifeform	jurov: now i have to solve the problem. like i solved others before. but this one's gonna take some time, it isn't a nice clean shot in the head, but more of a slow isis beheading	[14:58]
asciilifeform	gonna take a while, this sawing	[14:58]
mircea_popescu	i think im going to translate an ancient romanian article, i can not begin to believe how fucking apt it is. i thoight it was purely a romanian thing.	[14:58]
*	asciilifeform looks forward to reading	[14:58]
mircea_popescu	but it is apparent, from the apoplectic reactions, and glaring when you look at the shards together, that the same jerking around is both behind the openbsd story and the pgp story.	[14:59]
asciilifeform	this one's a '3-pipe case', in the words of sherlock holms	[14:59]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2015/fefeleaga/#comment-115043 << see, now i can't see this in any other terms than, "ended up caring about insides"	[15:00]
assbot	Fefeleaga. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wtskbl )	[15:00]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: thought it was about http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2014#700916	[15:00]
assbot	Logged on 04-06-2014 00:08:26; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.	[15:00]
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mircea_popescu	whereas i for a very long time have held the firm "fuck you, the text i write, i write with no consideration as to what you might misunderstand of it"	[15:00]
mircea_popescu	which also happens to be the right thing, incidentally.	[15:01]
asciilifeform	no shit.	[15:01]
mircea_popescu	fear the power of the cult. the deepest errors can survive all of five minutes in the charged atmosphere.	[15:01]
*	mircea_popescu contemplates the strange notion that every time he included hashes in stream he was actually doing the wrong thing.	[15:02]
asciilifeform	speaking of czech language, has jurov ever played the most famous msdos adventure game of his country, 'edna' ?	[15:02]
asciilifeform	beautiful thing	[15:02]
jurov	no	[15:02]
asciilifeform	witch, vaguely babayaga-like, walks around collecting clues re: where to find ingredients for revenge potion against the king (who banished her). most of the dialogue is in rhyme	[15:03]
asciilifeform	entirely untranslatable	[15:03]
asciilifeform	so it was never translated.	[15:03]
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asciilifeform	not even to ru.	[15:03]
jurov	http://www.amazon.de/bhv-Distribution-Edna-bricht-aus/dp/3828761631 but to german?	[15:04]
assbot	Edna bricht aus: Pc: Amazon.de: Games ... ( http://bit.ly/1ffz1vy )	[15:04]
asciilifeform	http://www.oldgames.sk/en/game/edna	[15:04]
assbot	Edna :: DJ OldGames ... ( http://bit.ly/1ffz1Mn )	[15:04]
jurov	trying to find it	[15:04]
asciilifeform	jurov: the de one appears to be different item ?	[15:04]
asciilifeform	my link has the w4r3z iirc	[15:05]
jurov	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEZ2UQ3SRWM yes looks beautiful	[15:06]
assbot	Edna, PC DOS (1997) [CZ] - Gameplay + CD Audio Music - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ffztKu )	[15:06]
asciilifeform	mega-music also	[15:06]
jurov	somehow never came around	[15:06]
asciilifeform	really represents all that was lost	[15:06]
asciilifeform	in the old world of games where the authors gave a shit	[15:06]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11960 @ 0.00067073 = 8.0219 BTC [+]	[15:12]
mircea_popescu	;;calc ((100 + (203-100)/2)/100)/7.6125	[15:15]
gribble	0.199014778325	[15:15]
asciilifeform	wat	[15:16]
mircea_popescu	eulora stuff.	[15:16]
asciilifeform	ah	[15:16]
mircea_popescu	http://logs.minigame.bz/2015-08-15.log.html#t18:10:56	[15:16]
assbot	#Eulora log for Saturday, 2015-08-15 ... ( http://bit.ly/1WtvCeu )	[15:16]
mircea_popescu	how any lisper can keep away from it is anyone's guess by this point.	[15:16]
asciilifeform	very easily	[15:17]
asciilifeform	by, say, not owning a 3d card	[15:17]
mircea_popescu	but it may be that lisp is not actually useful in practice!11111!!1	[15:17]
*	BingoBoingo though MP may have been doing math related to producing a lucite cast of Obola's recutm to place in the Hearnia's urinary bladder	[15:20]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2015#1238834 << not catastrophically wrong, but more of a microscope-hammer sorta wrong	[15:20]
assbot	Logged on 15-08-2015 18:01:27; *: mircea_popescu contemplates the strange notion that every time he included hashes in stream he was actually doing the wrong thing.	[15:20]
asciilifeform	'unix philosophy' had an actual meaning at one point, and was a very promising thing	[15:21]
mircea_popescu	i feel like, sensibly, palpably smarter today.	[15:21]
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jurov	asciilifeform: good you haven't seen mpex statjson output	[15:26]
asciilifeform	jurov: actually i might have, back when i briefly had an acct	[15:26]
jurov	back then there wan no statjson	[15:27]
asciilifeform	then no.	[15:27]
jurov	*was no	[15:27]
asciilifeform	56/59/27 (dulap/zulag/incitatus), all 3 fully synced	[15:36]
asciilifeform	heavy day.	[15:36]
asciilifeform	(the latter pretty much never gets more than a dozen connections at one time)	[15:36]
asciilifeform	andrew@andreworr.ca is pretty typical, apparently, '32-bit mirror slider'	[15:39]
asciilifeform	his other modulus will pop up soon, also	[15:40]
asciilifeform	it, too, is 'magical'	[15:41]
asciilifeform	(who wants, can paste it into a python repl and hex(........) to see what i mean)	[15:41]
asciilifeform	aaaaaaaaaaand....	[15:42]
asciilifeform	drumroll........	[15:42]
asciilifeform	https://nmap.org/nsedoc/lib/bitcoin.html	[15:42]
assbot	bitcoin NSE Library ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nxizmp )	[15:42]
asciilifeform	^ Patrik Karlsson Andrew Orr	[15:42]
asciilifeform	authors.	[15:42]
asciilifeform	(all this re: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2015#1238611 )	[15:43]
assbot	Logged on 15-08-2015 15:21:21; asciilifeform: http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D9C5494A7B03BBA6E8699AF3EBACA1A2E3ED77906921EB829571A5AEF2623FBC	[15:43]
asciilifeform	https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?search=andrew%40andreworr.ca&op=index	[15:43]
assbot	Search results for 'ca andreworr andrew' ... ( http://bit.ly/1NxiIX3 )	[15:43]
asciilifeform	^ exactly typical for the 'magic 98'	[15:43]
asciilifeform	https://archive.is/UuotP	[15:44]
assbot	Search results for 'ca andreworr andrew' ... ( http://bit.ly/1NxiOxC )	[15:44]
asciilifeform	^ mirror.	[15:44]
asciilifeform	https://archive.is/R6ln5 and https://archive.is/Jskeb	[15:45]
assbot	Public Key Server -- Get "0x0947bbf3e954df04 " ... ( http://bit.ly/1NxiTBA )	[15:45]
assbot	Public Key Server -- Get "0x91e594358f264832 " ... ( http://bit.ly/1NxiTBC )	[15:45]
asciilifeform	^ payloads.	[15:45]
asciilifeform	http://lists.hackerspaces.org/pipermail/discuss/attachments/20110620/667febb1/attachment.html	[15:49]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Nxjkf4 )	[15:49]
asciilifeform	and http://lists.hackerspaces.org/pipermail/discuss/attachments/20110623/4a44cbaa/attachment.htm	[15:49]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Nxjovm )	[15:50]
asciilifeform	(re: mr orr)	[15:50]
asciilifeform	http://blog.skullspace.ca/2011/02/skullspace-winnipeg-inc_3.html	[15:50]
assbot	SkullSpace Winnipeg: Skullspace Winnipeg Inc. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nxjwev )	[15:50]
asciilifeform	unlike mircea_popescu, i do not presently believe that ~all~ of these folks have been shot with the stupid-cannon	[15:53]
asciilifeform	at some point one of them will read this log and write in	[15:54]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[15:56]
asciilifeform	somehow i suspect that most of these people would give more of a fuck if the city phonebook (which no one i'm aware of uses for anything but kindling...) were to list a nigerian spammer's phone # instead of their own	[15:57]
mircea_popescu	doubt it.	[15:58]
asciilifeform	mr orr doesn't look like the usual vegetable to me	[15:59]
mircea_popescu	the vegetable quality is a thing apart.	[16:00]
asciilifeform	how's that	[16:00]
mircea_popescu	they're all vegetal. the smart and the dumb, the tall and the short, the ones with tits and the ones without	[16:00]
mircea_popescu	being a vegetable is unrelated to any other measurable quality.	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	it's just buying into this "being civilised means inhabiting the world of dreams"	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	like an opium habit.	[16:01]
asciilifeform	is this rather about whether fella has woken up to the salient fact of his time ?	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[16:01]
asciilifeform	(e.g., in orwell's, coming of ww2)	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	no, in orwells - that he is insufficient, and he is a representative memberf of an inssuficient generation.	[16:02]
mircea_popescu	this, he never woke up to.	[16:02]
asciilifeform	sad thing is, he kinda did	[16:02]
asciilifeform	but didn't feel like eating his pistol quite yet, so made up various stories in his head	[16:02]
mircea_popescu	i distrust kindas.	[16:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71500 @ 0.00070022 = 50.0657 BTC [+] {11}	[16:02]
mircea_popescu	rioght ?	[16:02]
mircea_popescu	and the kids coming after that just built on the habit.	[16:02]
mircea_popescu	the daydreaming children of insufficient parents.	[16:02]
mircea_popescu	omfg 70!	[16:03]
mircea_popescu	MWOOT	[16:03]
asciilifeform	;;bc,stats	[16:04]
gribble	Current Blocks: 370004 \| Current Difficulty: 5.269984240934701E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 370943 \| Next Difficulty In: 939 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 0 hours, 10 minutes, and 44 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: None \| Estimated Percent Change: None	[16:04]
asciilifeform	happy odometer rollover.	[16:04]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 122800 @ 0.00068782 = 84.4643 BTC [-]	[16:04]
mircea_popescu	purdy cool	[16:04]
*	asciilifeform has a separate display panel for the nodez, if anyone wondered, yes	[16:05]
*	BingoBoingo actually kinda surprised Hearn didn't wait until the first weekend of September to drop his trousers for a fencing contest. Shitgnommery was starting to get a pattern.	[16:05]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: for some reason i thought that his 'if enough of us, let's open fire' turd was released ages ago	[16:06]
asciilifeform	a bit surprised to learn that it just now went out.	[16:06]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Idea of it was, then he released some binaries earlier this week for turd platforms. Now declaration of forking.	[16:06]
BingoBoingo	https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3h424p/why_is_bitcoin_forking/cu4332k	[16:08]
assbot	PhiMinD comments on Why is Bitcoin forking? ... ( http://bit.ly/1NiUl1h )	[16:08]
asciilifeform	https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/39r03i/mike_hearn_is_saying_fork_might_ignore_the << linked, lulzy	[16:08]
assbot	Mike Hearn is saying Fork might ignore the longest chain! : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1NiUp0Y )	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	it would have to.	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	how else ?	[16:09]
asciilifeform	tame/retarded minerz ?	[16:09]
mircea_popescu	lol right.	[16:09]
asciilifeform	hey, no shortage of the latter	[16:09]
mircea_popescu	count the eth mining power.	[16:09]
asciilifeform	as suggested by the july 4 incident	[16:09]
mircea_popescu	no shortage of tyhe latter ON REDDIT	[16:09]
mircea_popescu	or any other place where the bar to entry is not as high as to exclude the urban poor.	[16:09]
asciilifeform	nah, in the land of the cat&dog eaters	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	the chinese do learn.	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	even if they have to be beaten with a nailed plank first	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	they do learn.	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	not so much can be said about the anglos.	[16:10]
*	asciilifeform can't wait for the first tard block	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	you are not alone.	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	it will be absolutely great if they scam any exchange into accepting their shit as bitcoin, or otherwise if any retards pay money for xtc.	[16:13]
mircea_popescu	for i have some bridges for sale.	[16:13]
*	BingoBoingo suggest shorting instrument be refered to a TexasCoin or TXCoin for the phillipino's lulz and dyslexia	[16:15]
asciilifeform	l0l xtc	[16:16]
asciilifeform	extacy	[16:16]
*	BingoBoingo going out to pick up some venom and bile. I can't even today.	[16:19]
mircea_popescu	shorting instrument my foot. it can't be shorted for the same reason you can't short random idiot's imaginary girlfriend.	[16:21]
mircea_popescu	he only buys from himself.	[16:21]
asciilifeform	zulag shall down for maintenance for most of today, starting 30 seconds ago.	[16:25]
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kakobrekla	anyone running a tally on last blocks supporting increase?	[16:29]
BingoBoingo	kakobrekla: Third graph http://xtnodes.com/ so far 0	[16:44]
assbot	XTnodes.com - Bitcoin XT Nodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1U879cH )	[16:44]
kakobrekla	0, really ?	[16:45]
BingoBoingo	Looking that way with blocks. Gotta remember Chicoms mine SPV, prolly haven't fiddled that string yet	[16:46]
BingoBoingo	http://etramping.com/rather-go-hungry-eat-filipino-food-again/	[16:47]
assbot	I Would Rather Go Hungry Than Eat Filipino Street Food Again! - eTramping.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1ITJZzC )	[16:47]
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BingoBoingo	"We were open to new things, we were willing to eat anything locals gave us and we were so curious about new dishes. That has changed after 4 days of stomachache, dizziness and feeling overtired and bloated." << Made for Redditing	[16:50]
mircea_popescu	more of the "lowest common denominator is representatives for groups" ideology crashing on the jagged shores of reality.	[16:57]
mircea_popescu	i was curious about dishes too, but i didn't expect to find them in the gutter.	[16:58]
BingoBoingo	After research Phils does not seem like a destination to linger long when exit comes, if it even still makes the list by the time I get out.	[16:59]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58844 @ 0.00071154 = 41.8699 BTC [+]	[17:20]
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BingoBoingo	!up King_Rex	[17:25]
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King_Rex	ty	[17:26]
BingoBoingo	King_Rex: Thoughts on Hearn dropping his pants today?	[17:29]
King_Rex	link? does this mean he'll stop talking?	[17:30]
mircea_popescu	even max keiser is still talking.	[17:31]
BingoBoingo	scroll up, no it means he's forking.	[17:31]
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King_Rex	oh noes?	[17:33]
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mod6	asciilifeform: I have successfully reproduced the rel1.patch on my own now with the same matching antecedent/new hashes. I have script that reproduces this all the way up through v0.5.3.1 -- will continue on and do the same for up through v0.5.4 before let everyone see. But, so far, so good.	[17:34]
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King_Rex	mircea_popescu i read Fefeleaga, thanks for posting	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	cheers.	[17:35]
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BingoBoingo	Hello bitstein, been a while	[17:40]
bitstein	Yea, mostly lurkin these days.	[17:41]
bitstein	Didn't see this in the logs. Someone claiming to be Satoshi posted on the bitcoin-dev list: http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010238.html	[17:41]
assbot	[bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nxtigu )	[17:41]
asciilifeform	i can't wait for a 'donation of constantine' moment	[17:43]
asciilifeform	it'll be hilarious.	[17:43]
asciilifeform	on one hand, poster said nothing profoundly retarded.	[17:44]
asciilifeform	on other hand - no signature.	[17:44]
asciilifeform	so could be you, me, hitler.	[17:44]
BingoBoingo	bitstein: Well can't use the @gmx.whatever email anymore because haxxed. Curiously not signed	[17:45]
bitstein	asciilifeform, BingoBoingo: Satoshi didn't actually sign much (if anything?), so it would be hard to verify regardless.	[17:45]
BingoBoingo	He signed enough that his signature could attest he wrote it or was rectotherm'd	[17:46]
asciilifeform	could sign with his addresses, even.	[17:46]
asciilifeform	or, if all else fails, the original gavinalert key.	[17:47]
bitstein	asciilifeform: yea, he could	[17:47]
bitstein	BingoBoingo: What has he actually signed? Nothing is coming to mind immediately.	[17:47]
asciilifeform	http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010239.html << l0l	[17:47]
assbot	[bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/1NxtOex )	[17:47]
asciilifeform	esp re: the 32-bit fp	[17:48]
asciilifeform	somebody cook up a key with that fp as seen in idiot winblows pgp, and sign, for the lulz	[17:48]
*	BingoBoingo too busy loading up the gallblader	[17:50]
asciilifeform	!s 5EC948A1	[17:50]
assbot	0 results for '5EC948A1' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=5EC948A1	[17:50]
asciilifeform	;;google 5EC948A1	[17:50]
gribble	Proof of Satoshi with signed key : Bitcoin - Reddit: ; Glenn Greenwald and Satoshi Nakamoto Comsec - Cryptome: ; Satoshi Nakamoto's P2P foundation profile makes a reply - Bitcoin ...:	[17:50]
asciilifeform	http://sks.pkqs.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&search=0x18C09E865EC948A1 << it ?	[17:50]
assbot	Search results for '0x18c09e865ec948a1' ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nxu3Gw )	[17:50]
bitstein	Spoiler warning: that "proof" on reddit was bs.	[17:51]
asciilifeform	l0l 'john titor'	[17:51]
shinohai	Isn't all "proof" on reddit?	[17:51]
asciilifeform	(famous hoax)	[17:51]
asciilifeform	trying to turn up something that was actually signed, ever, by 'satoshi'	[17:51]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/the-jerking-around-a-modern-bedtime-pattern/	[17:52]
assbot	The jerking around, a modern bedtime pattern. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NxugJO )	[17:52]
mircea_popescu	let me know if it actually makes any sense or i summarized to omuch	[17:52]
mircea_popescu	or, if all else fails, the original gavinalert key. << not acceptable, been shared.	[17:53]
asciilifeform	aye	[17:53]
asciilifeform	but who's to say what has or has not been shared.	[17:53]
asciilifeform	for all we know, original key is shared by the 1,001 nsa contractors who wrote the turd	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	in that case, in the positive, me.	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	in other cases, by the case.	[17:54]
asciilifeform	so far the only thing i can turn up as 'satoshi's pubkey' is his coin addrs' privkeys	[17:54]
asciilifeform	all else could easily be anyone.	[17:54]
bitstein	asciilifeform: that's what i suspected	[17:56]
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shinohai	http://pastebin.com/Ct5M8fa2	[17:56]
assbot	Satoshi email analysis - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1DVXUs1 )	[17:56]
shinohai	lel	[17:58]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: spiffy	[17:59]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: still i find it interesting how impenetrable the usg 'never happened because we say so' shield is	[18:00]
asciilifeform	e.g., not one sane inquiry from outside of #b-a re: phuctor, to date, afaik	[18:00]
mircea_popescu	this hasd nothin to do with an yshield.	[18:01]
asciilifeform	it's as if it happened on some distant solar system	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	it has.	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	do you know how many inquiries the mongols got from hungarians ?	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	before wearing the hungarians as cock decorations ?	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	like, say, at the time they were butchering around the don. how many hungarian dudes came over to ask questions ? dja know ?	[18:02]
mircea_popescu	do you know how many us car makers were all over japan in the 50s ?	[18:02]
mircea_popescu	"teh shield of teh usg was strong in the 50s car industree"	[18:02]
mircea_popescu	in other news, http://www.krumel.ro/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/yoyo.gif	[18:08]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1NxvLaZ )	[18:08]
scoopbot_revived	The jerking around, a modern bedtime pattern. http://trilema.com/2015/the-jerking-around-a-modern-bedtime-pattern/	[18:09]
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asciilifeform	'your average Romanian fellow would readily prefer to earn 11 units, when everyone else earns 10, instead of an alternative where he earns 90, when everyone else earns 100, indifferent to the fact that 90 is still, significantly above 11. This, in the language, is called "the neighbour's goat problem".' << but this is rational !	[18:18]
asciilifeform	at least in bitcoinlandia	[18:18]
mircea_popescu	whether rational or not.	[18:18]
mircea_popescu	in any case it makes the desires of post-capitalism, the welfare state and the consumerist society, impossible.	[18:19]
mircea_popescu	inasmuch as at the time romanians declared they wish the latter, it was irrational.	[18:20]
asciilifeform	folks want 'get rich while you sleep, damn it, not bathtub of 'monopoly' money.	[18:20]
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mircea_popescu	there's no way to get rich while you sleep that doens't include everyone else getting richer.	[18:21]
wyrdmantis	i'll just leave this here http://imgur.com/PzD9EVR	[18:21]
assbot	Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1DW0MoT )	[18:21]
asciilifeform	lelz	[18:22]
shinohai	LOL	[18:24]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i have yet to fully grasp how this particular arithmetic handicap works. what is the mental process like, whereby schmuck doesn't wake up to the fact that 'get 90 while everyone gets 100' is equivalent to 'lose 1, keep 9, when everyone keeps 10' ?	[18:25]
mircea_popescu	lose 2	[18:25]
mircea_popescu	it's not hard to explain tho. there's a political and a biological approach to life. the political approach is the thought of the alpha, the thing that results in half decade of trench warfare and a ruined europe : "either you sit lower than me or we fight."	[18:26]
asciilifeform	at any rate, the fixation with units of account is odd, if speaking of sovietized folk. i'd imagine they would realize that what they really want is 'sleep ad libitum', or even 'mercedes 600', rather than 'bag of benjies' per se	[18:26]
mircea_popescu	the biological approach is, "all i need are three meals a day. half a meal a day is less than what i need, five meals a day is more. i prefer the latter"	[18:27]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform exactly wrong.	[18:27]
mircea_popescu	there's a reason argentines are worried about "insecuridad" and mexicans abotu the fucking rain. they published a study here recently - the most worried about global warming is... south fucking america. they're still in the 1850s re sun here, even have their ozone.	[18:27]
mircea_popescu	so, no. the soviets will be obsessed with units of account.	[18:28]
*	asciilifeform measured this with own skin	[18:28]
asciilifeform	the ozone.	[18:28]
asciilifeform	was floored.	[18:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3591 @ 0.00071302 = 2.5605 BTC [+]	[18:29]
mircea_popescu	anwyay, back to the issue. buck will maintain a perimeter of forest edge and brush. with his life.	[18:29]
mircea_popescu	doe will eat enough to raise her young.	[18:29]
mircea_popescu	different approaches, for different needs.	[18:29]
cazalla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2015#1238620 <<< yeah, sorry about that	[18:29]
assbot	Logged on 15-08-2015 15:25:00; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2015#1238536 << maybe because it's actually 195.211.154.159 ?	[18:29]
shinohai	https://www.nsa.gov/ia/programs/suiteb_cryptography/index.shtml	[18:30]
assbot	NSA Suite B Cryptography - NSA/CSS ... ( http://bit.ly/1DW1D90 )	[18:30]
shinohai	wrong window sorry guys	[18:30]
asciilifeform	'IAD recognizes that there will be a move, in the not distant future, to a quantum resistant algorithm suite. Based on experience in deploying Suite B, we have determined to start planning and communicating early about the upcoming transition to quantum resistant algorithms. Our ultimate goal is to provide cost effective security against a potential quantum computer. We are working with partners across the USG, vendors, and s	[18:30]
asciilifeform	tandards bodies to ensure there is a clear plan for getting a new suite of algorithms that are developed in an open and transparent manner that will form the foundation of our next Suite of cryptographic algorithms. Until this new suite is developed and products are available implementing the quantum resistant suite, we will rely on current algorithms. For those partners and vendors that have not yet made the transition to Sui	[18:30]
asciilifeform	te B algorithms, we recommend not making a significant expenditure to do so at this point but instead to prepare for the upcoming quantum resistant algorithm transition.'	[18:30]
asciilifeform	^ l0l!	[18:31]
asciilifeform	new verbiage	[18:31]
asciilifeform	(can't recall this shit being in there earlier this year)	[18:31]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha	[18:31]
mircea_popescu	wait, "across the usg" ?	[18:31]
mircea_popescu	is this now polite terminology inside the perimeter ?	[18:32]
asciilifeform	has been for 20yrs	[18:32]
asciilifeform	what, thought mr mold & co invented it ?	[18:32]
mircea_popescu	i read relatively little of their straight output	[18:32]
mircea_popescu	too much of it, too woody.	[18:32]
wyrdmantis	http://xtnodes.com/ italian derps are HOORAYing for a 10% surge in a few hours... i don't even...	[18:32]
assbot	XTnodes.com - Bitcoin XT Nodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1U879cH )	[18:32]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform wait wtf, don't move to suite b wait for suite qt ?!	[18:33]
asciilifeform	'It is important to note that we aren’t asking vendors to stop implementing the Suite B algorithms and we aren’t asking our national security customers to stop using these algorithms. Rather, we want to give more flexibility to vendors and our customers in the present as we prepare for a quantum safe future. Where elliptic curve protocols are to be used, we prefer Suite B standards be used to the fullest extent possible a	[18:34]
asciilifeform	s they have a long history of security evaluation and time tested implementation that newer proposals do not yet have.'	[18:34]
asciilifeform	hard to say, reads like the output of five separate monkeys who did not have any kind of complete picture each, other than a checklist of 'agenda items' to address	[18:35]
mircea_popescu	this is directly contradicting the last phrase in the previous snippet.	[18:35]
asciilifeform	aha	[18:35]
mircea_popescu	we aren't recommending you do what we just recommended you do.	[18:35]
asciilifeform	hence my observation.	[18:35]
mircea_popescu	ridiculous. anyway, let teh usg keep on with the curves, wut.	[18:36]
asciilifeform	kinda curious which hardness puzzle they'll bless for 'q-resistant'	[18:38]
BingoBoingo	wyrdmantis: Majority of social media noise not italian, check their grammar	[18:39]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform if you add two and substract two and it comes out as what it was it's quantum resistant right ?	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	at least in 99.9% of cases.	[18:43]
asciilifeform	qc is not a wholly imaginary item, but a well-defined gadget proposed by r. feynman (naturally without schematics..)	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	on what grounds do yo uassume this is that ?	[18:44]
asciilifeform	what will or will not run, is also not completely empty field (e.g., shor's algo)	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	"scientist" is also a well defined gadget.	[18:44]
asciilifeform	don't misunderstand, defined in strictly gedankenexperiment terms	[18:44]
asciilifeform	in 'lectures on computation' (r. f.)	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	there is no basis that i can perceive on which one could propose that the term "quantum" as used by usg in any context has any meaning.	[18:45]
wyrdmantis	BingoBoingo: yes, i know, but the italian community that uses Telegram chatrooms is on fire tonight	[18:45]
mircea_popescu	i didn't know you were italian wyrdmantis	[18:45]
mircea_popescu	then again i also didn't know telegram is some sort of chatroom, so.	[18:45]
asciilifeform	they are speaking of a particular machine, which no one (as publicly known has built), but, e.g., 'd-wave' fraudulently sold to a few rich schmucks, and the difficulties of construction are not mysterious	[18:45]
asciilifeform	like airplane in 1880	[18:45]
mircea_popescu	how do you know they are ?	[18:45]
BingoBoingo	wyrdmantis: Any of them with interesting business opportunities in the Middle west?	[18:45]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: prolly better comparison is hot fusion	[18:46]
mircea_popescu	probably even better comparison is "stealth"	[18:46]
mircea_popescu	turns out the stealth airplane is not stealth in any sense.	[18:46]
asciilifeform	in that aficionados will point to a list of fairly specific, supposedly-'we're almost there' problems, that in point of fact no one knows how to solve ~~in ensemble~~	[18:46]
mircea_popescu	and as the chief procurer pointed out "if you break the guidance at any point, we're still gonna call it stealth"	[18:46]
asciilifeform	individually - one? sure. while exacerbating the others.	[18:46]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64887 @ 0.00068782 = 44.6306 BTC [-]	[18:47]
wyrdmantis	BingoBoingo: i don't know, what do you mean with Middle west? Europe?	[18:47]
mircea_popescu	now, granted, stealth is a well defined concept.	[18:47]
mircea_popescu	but not so in usg usage.	[18:47]
asciilifeform	originally well-defined, in the 'theory of edge wave' paper	[18:47]
asciilifeform	then - marketards got to it, aha.	[18:48]
asciilifeform	but they devour everything	[18:48]
mircea_popescu	i just don't see any cause to suspect this is what they;'re talking about	[18:48]
mod6	asciilifeform: ok here it is: http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/orc.sh	[18:48]
asciilifeform	like graveworms	[18:48]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1DW3w5F )	[18:48]
asciilifeform	mod6: spiffy	[18:49]
*	asciilifeform bbl	[18:49]
mod6	So I've basically been able to reproduce both of your rel1.patch & rel2-pre.patch -- and I went through your patch with my script's created patch side by side by hand and verified the sha512s	[18:49]
mod6	Anyone who wants to please be a second pair of eyes here: run the script and then compare the scripts version to ascii's version:	[18:49]
wyrdmantis	mircea_popescu: i'm italian yes, and telegram is like Whatsapp but free, nothing that may interest you	[18:49]
mod6	orchestra/rel1.patch v. orchestra/test-v0531-patches/rel1-test.patch	[18:50]
mod6	and	[18:50]
mod6	orchestra/rel2-pre.patch v. orchestra/test-v054-patches/rel2-pre-test.patch	[18:50]
davout	mircea_popescu: x.eur plz	[18:50]
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BingoBoingo	BingoBoingo: i don't know, what do you mean with Middle west? Europe? << Missourah	[19:01]
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BingoBoingo	wyrdmantis: If you know any Wops with a plan that isn't tarded I'd cross the river for that just to get out of Illinois though recent opportunities to take money Illinois would offer other people seem interesting if they pan out.	[19:03]
mircea_popescu	for free ie, like whatsap was free : yet.	[19:03]
mircea_popescu	hoping to one day find some idiots to "buy" it	[19:03]
mircea_popescu	etc.	[19:03]
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mircea_popescu	dav aha in a moment.	[19:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54950 @ 0.00068782 = 37.7957 BTC [-] {2}	[19:04]
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shinohai	http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/surfing-the-internet-from-my-trs-80-model-100/ <<< memories!	[19:12]
assbot	Surfing the Internet… from my TRS-80 Model 100 \| Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1DW6kj1 )	[19:12]
wyrdmantis	BingoBoingo i'll investigate	[19:14]
BingoBoingo	wyrdmantis: No hurry. I'm probably not going to be to interested if anything comes up anyways and introductions are important. They should have known me first.	[19:15]
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trinque	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisonous_pedagogy << bwahahaha	[19:23]
assbot	Poisonous pedagogy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1DW7n2y )	[19:23]
trinque	aka spanking your kid	[19:23]
shinohai	trinque: werent you the gentleman that had a gentoo build script?	[19:25]
trinque	shinohai: sure do	[19:25]
trinque	in teh logs, lemme see	[19:25]
shinohai	I remember you posting it but I lost the paste ... for qemu if memory serves	[19:26]
trinque	right, easy to alter though for an arbitrary block device	[19:26]
trinque	just have to hack some things out of the lilo config	[19:26]
trinque	and change two vars at the top	[19:26]
shinohai	nah i need something for qemu tbh	[19:26]
shinohai	So I can watch it like Sesame St. until I get the hang of it	[19:27]
trinque	ah k, and cool; exactly why I targeted that first	[19:27]
trinque	lemme actually sign the thing then	[19:27]
shinohai	kk	[19:27]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12309 @ 0.00069696 = 8.5789 BTC [+]	[19:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71915 @ 0.00072048 = 51.8133 BTC [+] {4}	[19:33]
trinque	shinohai: http://deedbot.org/genbootstrap.sh.sig	[19:33]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1KoesG4 )	[19:33]
trinque	shinohai: http://deedbot.org/genbootstrap.sh	[19:33]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1KoesG8 )	[19:33]
trinque	knobs at the top, will currently squeeze out a root.img in the current directory	[19:33]
trinque	lemme know how it goes	[19:33]
trinque	and the thing's written such that you can go edit the config files easily from within, should you want to	[19:34]
trinque	pick a different stage3, change make.conf, whatever	[19:34]
trinque	it also assumes you have the gentoo releases gpg pubkey	[19:35]
trinque	oh also run as root; it needs to for example loop-mount the image	[19:37]
trinque	and finally, the current stage3 in there is actually stale. so you'll have to alter that.	[19:38]
trinque	20150813	[19:39]
trinque	I don't like that they delete the old stage3's so quickly...	[19:39]
trinque	how the fuck am I supposed to be able to say that "this one is known to work"	[19:40]
trinque	stage3-amd64-hardened+nomultilib-20150813.tar.bz2 <<	[19:43]
trinque	or whatever ya like	[19:43]
shinohai	ty o/	[19:44]
shinohai	i searched the logs for HOURS	[19:44]
trinque	np, bout to depart, so hopefully that gets ya through	[19:44]
trinque	the gentoo key you want is 13EB BDBE DE7A 1277 5DFD B1BA BB57 2E0E 2D18 2910	[19:46]
shinohai	I appreciate your support to my cause!	[19:46]
trinque	hey no problem	[19:46]
trinque	ttyl	[19:46]
shinohai	o7	[19:47]
shinohai	https://i.imgur.com/DCnDovk.jpg	[19:50]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1DWa0RR )	[19:50]
wyrdmantis	shinoai lolz, i was about to post the same image	[19:52]
punkman	http://snakeoil.cr.yp.to/	[19:54]
assbot	Snake Oil Crypto Competition ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWaqYF )	[19:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17447 @ 0.00072343 = 12.6217 BTC [+] {3}	[20:02]
shinohai	nice punkman, I had to channel my inner 90's	[20:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26270 @ 0.00073944 = 19.4251 BTC [+]	[20:07]
punkman	https://underhandedcrypto.com/2015/08/08/crypto-privacy-village-contest-winners/	[20:08]
assbot	Crypto & Privacy Village Contest Winners! \| Underhanded Crypto Contest ... ( http://bit.ly/1NxFvBR )	[20:09]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2015#1239163 << i read that piece not long ago, while contemplating buying one.	[20:20]
assbot	Logged on 15-08-2015 22:11:23; shinohai: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/surfing-the-internet-from-my-trs-80-model-100/ <<< memories!	[20:20]
asciilifeform	and searching for docs	[20:20]
shinohai	I still have an original Extended Colour Basic manual lol	[20:21]
shinohai	dem GOTO's	[20:21]
cazalla	asciilifeform, are these AcceptToMemoryPool() : ConnectInputs failed errors a problem? also is it normal behaviour to gain so many new connections from other ips? i thought i'd only be syncing from dulap http://dpaste.com/3KHQH2A.txt	[20:23]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1DWcQXd )	[20:23]
asciilifeform	cazalla: what are your run arguments ?	[20:23]
asciilifeform	cazalla: and you'll be seeing an ocean of 'ConnectInputs failed' if you're not at top block height	[20:24]
asciilifeform	thinkaboutit	[20:24]
cazalla	just ./bitcoind -myip=... -connect=195.211.154.159	[20:24]
asciilifeform	cazalla: i don't see any connections from other ip ?	[20:25]
asciilifeform	in that log	[20:25]
BingoBoingo	cazalla: In your log?	[20:25]
cazalla	asciilifeform, at the bottom	[20:25]
asciilifeform	what is in the snipped part ?	[20:26]
cazalla	accepted connection 54.186.43.50:38455 these and many other ip addresses	[20:26]
asciilifeform	view process list, is it running with the args you thought you ran with ?	[20:26]
asciilifeform	and is the only instance	[20:27]
punkman	you might have addnode in config	[20:27]
asciilifeform	and this	[20:27]
BingoBoingo	http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2775	[20:29]
assbot	JL: Hos in the Hood ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWd944 )	[20:29]
cazalla	not using addnode and process list shows what i ran as in "jon 23241 3.8 0.6 2106956 51844 pts/0 SLl+ 08:43 1:44 ./bitcoind -myip=... -connect=195.211.154.159	[20:29]
asciilifeform	netstat -a ?	[20:30]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: 'their elven palaces in Rivendale' << fucking illiterate	[20:31]
asciilifeform	it's rivendell	[20:31]
asciilifeform	wtf inglisch speaker doesn't know this ?!!!$	[20:31]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: To be fair I read him now because you introduced him to this chan, and seriously who respects the fantasy worlds of a Briton?	[20:32]
asciilifeform	me??	[20:32]
asciilifeform	dun think so.	[20:32]
asciilifeform	!s from:asciilifeform www.jameslafond.com	[20:32]
assbot	0 results for 'from:asciilifeform www.jameslafond.com' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aasciilifeform+www.jameslafond.com	[20:32]
asciilifeform	!s from:ascii_field www.jameslafond.com	[20:32]
assbot	0 results for 'from:ascii_field www.jameslafond.com' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aascii_field+www.jameslafond.com	[20:32]
asciilifeform	QED.	[20:32]
asciilifeform	!s from:decimation www.jameslafond.com	[20:33]
assbot	3 results for 'from:decimation www.jameslafond.com' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Adecimation+www.jameslafond.com	[20:33]
asciilifeform	^ was him i think.	[20:33]
BingoBoingo	hmmm... I could have swore you introduced his links when Baltimore burned	[20:33]
BingoBoingo	AH	[20:33]
BingoBoingo	Twas the ghost	[20:33]
asciilifeform	the z80 article has spiffy photos	[20:34]
asciilifeform	recommended.	[20:34]
BingoBoingo	I can't remember the details of that drama, but damned if I don't confuse him for everyone else	[20:34]
cazalla	asciilifeform, what am i looking for in netstat? also, i still had 8333 port forwarding in router going on for 0.8.3, might that be the problem?	[20:34]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: you may be confusing him with diametric, like mircea_popescu did on a few occasions	[20:34]
asciilifeform	diametric is an actual person i see just about every day.	[20:34]
BingoBoingo	I've always confused him with diametric. In this case I think I confused with you because you talked about having been to the burning places in Baltimore now that I think about it.	[20:35]
asciilifeform	i have been to them. prior to their burning.	[20:35]
mircea_popescu	that wikipedia article is a rare example of extreme millitant ignorance.	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	a) the term is older than freud	[20:36]
BingoBoingo	Lafond guy seems to have some good stuff, a lot of bad stuff, and some interesting fiction. Just that accounting for getting hit in the head part takes work.	[20:37]
mircea_popescu	b) it readily describes all sorts of known-broken apprtoaches and techniques. such as the use of blackmail. it pointedly has nothing to do with either beating or set time breastfeeding	[20:37]
mircea_popescu	the two women named, miller and the other one, are unrelated to any academic field and especially unimportant for child rearing or child psychology.	[20:37]
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asciilifeform	it isn't an article, it is cant, and this is detectable via five-second litmus of first paragraphs	[20:38]
*	asciilifeform doesn't typically bother to read these	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	but i am curious to see if this new trend will in some sort of timeframe bring us the black man invented cellphone of 2020	[20:38]
asciilifeform	here already	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	etc.	[20:38]
asciilifeform	soviet elephants are the biggest in the world!	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	well can't be here already, not yet 2020	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	in any case, sure, "buterin and hearn invented bitcoin in 2017" is just about the same deal.	[20:39]
asciilifeform	it'll be ethylin or somesuch	[20:39]
asciilifeform	propylin	[20:39]
asciilifeform	heptylin.	[20:40]
mircea_popescu	but hey, at least alexithymia	[20:40]
mircea_popescu	because if you say it in greek it ceases to be contemptibly stuopid.	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	The term "alexithymia" was coined by psychotherapist Peter Sifneos in 1973	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	except you can't "coin" anything if nobody ever heard about you or cared to read your stuff.	[20:41]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform back to the earlier issue. how do you reconcile your concept of "a file" with your concept of notation ?	[20:45]
asciilifeform	wai wat	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	seems utf-8 is requisite.	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	you can't have ascii.	[20:45]
asciilifeform	why ?	[20:45]
asciilifeform	can have what you want in the file	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	because what is the difference between "this file is noted in ascii" and "this file includes a hash"	[20:45]
asciilifeform	because don't care what's inside	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	but ascii implies oyu must care.	[20:46]
asciilifeform	if you care what's inside, now you have to cut it	[20:46]
asciilifeform	i can (and often do) sign a tar.gz	[20:46]
asciilifeform	or, on one occasion, 10MB of rng output	[20:46]
asciilifeform	(or how much was it.)	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	but these are numbers.	[20:47]
asciilifeform	aha	[20:47]
asciilifeform	let's work this out.	[20:47]
asciilifeform	if i want to embed hashes next to their payload, i get an explosion of complexity. because,	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	on what basis does ascii notation exist ?	[20:47]
asciilifeform	1) now i have to remove the header before hashing the payload	[20:48]
asciilifeform	2) have to represent the header differently if payload is meant to be displayable ascii, than if it is a binary	[20:48]
asciilifeform	(that is, unconstrained to printable chars)	[20:48]
asciilifeform	btw 'binaries' are not merely 'un-ascii' but include intrinsic unprintables (control chars)	[20:48]
asciilifeform	so it isn't an ascii vs utf fight	[20:49]
mircea_popescu	but on what basis does this particular alphabet exist.	[20:49]
asciilifeform	on the basis of the fella who build the vt100	[20:49]
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asciilifeform	ask him, not me.	[20:49]
asciilifeform	some codes were reserved for line feed, dinging the bell (yes), etc.	[20:49]
mircea_popescu	right.	[20:50]
asciilifeform	cat /dev/random and see what you get.	[20:51]
asciilifeform	or some other source of binaryrubbish	[20:51]
asciilifeform	you will even notice that sometimes this results in a permanently b0rk3d terminal.	[20:51]
kakobrekla	happens when i tail the wrong thing.	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	right ?	[20:52]
asciilifeform	aha.	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	so then how do you resolve this ?	[20:52]
asciilifeform	by out of band sign.	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	mno.	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	the fact that your cat /dev/random breaks things is PROOF that you are already using something like "hash" in your file.	[20:53]
asciilifeform	or with magical fairy dust.	[20:53]
asciilifeform	wai wat	[20:53]
punkman	best thing you can do with text encodings is guess	[20:53]
mircea_popescu	there is necessarily no difference, at the conceptual level we're discussing, between "don't put hash in file" and "ascii doesn't exist"	[20:53]
asciilifeform	throwing garbage into a vt100-compatible terminal breaks things for reasons that are not mysterious at all. rtfm?	[20:53]
mircea_popescu	manuals don't matter.	[20:54]
asciilifeform	terminal has state.	[20:54]
mircea_popescu	i can write a manual for how to interact with my file with hashes in it	[20:54]
asciilifeform	and various oddities not really used in modern times.	[20:54]
mircea_popescu	"explosion of complexity", ie, the need for manuals.	[20:54]
asciilifeform	ok back to the example	[20:54]
asciilifeform	say we ask that a file carry hash in a header.	[20:54]
asciilifeform	IT CANNOT BE THE SAME FORMAT FOR bins and text	[20:55]
mircea_popescu	im not really interested in the practical example, but in the theoretical objection.	[20:55]
asciilifeform	because if we deal with the insides of any text, ever, we suddenly get line-endings and escapes and crapola	[20:55]
asciilifeform	this is the objection	[20:55]
asciilifeform	cannot be oblivious of payload	[20:55]
asciilifeform	cannot rehash just by cat file \| sha512sum	[20:55]
asciilifeform	now have to put in a whole paragraph of sed, tr, and other potentially drepperized utils	[20:56]
asciilifeform	(i, for instance, know of two separate exploitable bugs in 'strings'.)	[20:56]
mircea_popescu	so you're not really defending a principle, you're just saying "we already have all the complexity for X idiocy, and not for Y idiocy, thus X i won't notice and Y i'll reject"	[20:56]
asciilifeform	no.	[20:56]
mircea_popescu	then speak to it.	[20:56]
asciilifeform	the present scheme has intrinsically fewer moving parts.	[20:56]
asciilifeform	and is more oblivious of contents.	[20:57]
asciilifeform	ergo superior.	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	but by that same principle, ascii is an unacceptable convention.	[20:57]
asciilifeform	whereas the alternative is only even contemplated because pgp is retarded.	[20:57]
asciilifeform	ascii is retarded. complain to the central committee, or who was it.	[20:57]
asciilifeform	ckkpss.	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	so you agree that actually ascii is dumb and has no place in computing ?	[20:57]
asciilifeform	sure is.	[20:58]
mircea_popescu	and utf-8, or whatever other unfixed width translation scheme, is the right approach ?	[20:58]
asciilifeform	it still won't display /dev/random	[20:58]
asciilifeform	meaningfully	[20:58]
asciilifeform	btw, in-band signalling is precisely why an animal like 'backspace' is a character	[20:58]
asciilifeform	or line-end	[20:58]
asciilifeform	etc	[20:58]
asciilifeform	iirc tcp as originally proposed had a second channel for virtual 'out of band' ! but was never used.	[20:59]
asciilifeform	by anyone.	[20:59]
asciilifeform	because 'eh why'd we need that!'	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	im starting to think there's really a lot more than meets my eye.	[20:59]
asciilifeform	there sure is	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	here*	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	but ascii is eminently A REDUCTION of complexity!	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	and tcp with 2nd chan did not catch on precisely because added complexity.	[21:00]
asciilifeform	or so it appeared.	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	it still does. to this very day.	[21:00]
asciilifeform	the question of 'which road to take to ultimately get fewer moving parts' is the mega-question in all engineering	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	they got python to work with it in six weeks over pizza, and they still don't have python that works with special chars	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	ten years of trying late.rt	[21:01]
asciilifeform	but ten years of who..	[21:01]
mircea_popescu	supposedly some of the original crew at least for part of it	[21:01]
asciilifeform	aha.	[21:04]
asciilifeform	the folks who couldn't crack the wallnut in the first try.	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1BM4C5Y.txt	[21:04]
deedbot-	accepted: 1	[21:04]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1JjNHIe )	[21:04]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.BBET] [PAID] 1.88363783 BTC to 5`000`000 shares, 37 satoshi per share	[21:04]
asciilifeform	briefly back to that thread: the only way to have a channel where any possible bits are correctly drawable on a terminal, is to put the control codes (which move the cursor, or flip colours, or ring fucking bells, or release guillotine blade, or whatnot) on ~another~ channel.	[21:05]
asciilifeform	tertium non datur.	[21:05]
asciilifeform	naggum has umpteen threads where he fights with various folks over xml attributes	[21:06]
asciilifeform	which he regarded (having had the misfortune to play a part in creating!) as a similar kind of retardation	[21:06]
asciilifeform	separation of structure and content is hard (and questionably doable at all)	[21:06]
mircea_popescu	how did he end up playing a part ?	[21:06]
mircea_popescu	aha!	[21:06]
asciilifeform	he was on the sgml brigade.	[21:07]
mircea_popescu	that's what im leading to. how do you know it's possible.	[21:07]
asciilifeform	we... don't.	[21:07]
asciilifeform	and, as perpetuum mobile, all attempts at doing the fundamentally impossible are bound to end in tears	[21:07]
asciilifeform	of one kind or other.	[21:07]
mircea_popescu	so then why are we having this discussion.	[21:07]
asciilifeform	because,	[21:08]
asciilifeform	pointing out that unix will let us work with an arbitrary bitstring,	[21:08]
asciilifeform	but if you allow that it is to be ~ever~ a displayable string,	[21:09]
asciilifeform	you're in for a world of turd.	[21:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 109.97017252 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 21 satoshi per share	[21:09]
asciilifeform	if it is permissible to say ~it is never displayable~, then you have an ordinary bin format, e.g., 'gzip'	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	deedbot- http://dpaste.com/3HC5S7V.txt	[21:10]
*	asciilifeform bbl, eating	[21:10]
deedbot-	accepted: 1	[21:10]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1TH46Gc )	[21:10]
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mircea_popescu	dat mpoe graph	[21:11]
BingoBoingo	http://lancasteronline.com/news/local/columbia-man-in-confederate-flag-fight-gives-his-side-rebel/article_17d3f082-412e-11e5-89a8-9b3d1bdc1f58.html	[21:12]
assbot	Columbia man in Confederate flag fight gives his side; ‘Rebel runs’ hit Lancaster \| Local News \| lancasteronline.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1TH4epe )	[21:12]
BingoBoingo	https://reason.com/blog/2015/08/11/campus-rape-expert-who-misrepresented-hi	[21:14]
assbot	Campus Rape Expert Who Misrepresented His Work Faces Powerful New Criticism - Hit & Run : Reason.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1JjO8ST )	[21:14]
mircea_popescu	as if there exists anyone in the verbiage side of the us who doesn't, as a principal actiuvity, misrepresent their work.	[21:14]
mircea_popescu	all they do is talk about what they did. that supposedly isn't talking about what they did, so necessarily they gotta be misrepresentin'.	[21:15]
BingoBoingo	Fuck, I misrepresent Qntra to fellow USians as mowing lawns	[21:15]
mircea_popescu	lol	[21:15]
mircea_popescu	"acclaimed expert on the subject of campus sexual assault"	[21:16]
mircea_popescu	wait. what ?!	[21:16]
mircea_popescu	how is this a subject and who acclaimed when ?	[21:16]
BingoBoingo	He came up with the "all campus rapes are drink drugging serial offenders" theory	[21:16]
mircea_popescu	anyway, at issue in the "cultural revolution" camp is getting rid of the inconvenient theory that rape is rare and rapists few	[21:17]
BingoBoingo	And this article is a woman saying nope	[21:17]
mircea_popescu	they would like all men to be rapists and all interaction rape, at least "to some degree"	[21:17]
BingoBoingo	"microaggressions"	[21:17]
mircea_popescu	thus every man and every interaction requiring something like a permission slip from... well..	[21:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10050 @ 0.00072653 = 7.3016 BTC [-]	[21:17]
mircea_popescu	but i do appreciate the significant increase in discoursive vitriol.	[21:18]
*	BingoBoingo remembers owning a perhaps poor translation of the communist manifesto that suggested ho trains as a replacement for marriage.	[21:18]
mircea_popescu	"he is guilty, he reprsented his research as relevant!"	[21:18]
mircea_popescu	exactly what mary whatsername will be hanged from.	[21:18]
BingoBoingo	Pretty sure we are going to run out of trees	[21:19]
mircea_popescu	only need 15 tree-minutes per.	[21:26]
BingoBoingo	I thought we were going to skip the rope and hang them by the anal spincter until they bleed out or starve. I'll have to redo my forest evaluations and my Forrest evaluations.	[21:28]
*	BingoBoingo pretty sure this time it was ascii who recommended butt pikes for Hearnias including a recommendation for a particular species of pine	[21:44]
BingoBoingo	!s pine	[21:45]
assbot	46 results for 'pine' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pine	[21:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00073234 = 7.0671 BTC [+] {3}	[21:45]
BingoBoingo	Maybe I am just old and slipping	[21:46]
BingoBoingo	Re: Bob Beck and the MicroShaft revolving door: http://philippinefailblog.com/little-miss-take-dating-in-manila/	[21:47]
assbot	Little Miss Take: Dating In Manila \| Philippines Fail BlogPhilippines Fail Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1DTXFOl )	[21:47]
BingoBoingo	"There were 2 puppies that often came to our home to sleep in the shade. I thought they were wild dogs. I gave them milk or water. Well about 1 week later one puppy was dead in front of our gate. We found out the dogs belonged to our next door neighbor. There were many kids laughing around the dead body so we asked the neighbor to remove the dog for us. She said in a while we are preparing dinner. Then a few days later we noticed	[21:48]
BingoBoingo	she ran over the other puppy in her driveway killing it too."	[21:48]
BingoBoingo	"They can’t look after themselves. These are extremely lazy freeloaders that have no concept of things or any initiative. They say it’s their culture but it’s simply a freeloading lazy exploitative narcissistic mentality, a kind prostitution and uncivilized behavior. "	[21:49]
BingoBoingo	I can tell you the worst in all of this they don’t consider me at all or what I want even though I’m paying, that’s the worst of it	[21:51]
BingoBoingo	^When facing such a Bob Beck, best not to be the paying Theo	[21:51]
hanbot	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-08-2015#1235149 << for the record i bungled this, built a (seemingly working nevertheless) frankenstein patch-quilt (dnsseed_snipsnip, thermonyukyoolar_kleansing, kills-integer-retardation, ver_now_5_4_endless_name_string, zap_hardcoded_seeds, showmyip_crud, if anyone's interested).	[21:55]
assbot	Logged on 11-08-2015 19:12:55; hanbot: shinohai: hanbot compiled pogo ? O.o << nein. have built stator "manually" as of last night, tho still need to verify runs as expected, after which will put together notes. have not pogo-ed, rotor trial to come. (ubuntu 10.04 32bit + mod6's gracious help)	[21:55]
hanbot	i had tabs of "patches to apply" open for two weeks in a mess of others, it got nice and fucked up meanwhile and i hadn't reverified before patching, hurrdurr. yest rebuilt with correct sequence (http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209307), looks good, notes tonight.	[21:57]
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mircea_popescu	i tell you, the expectation that people will do what you tell them is widely misplace.	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	most people aren't even equipped to comprehend what's being said.	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	"A month later I get a text asking me to invest in her business." right.	[22:20]
punkman	"Im dating a girl for over a year. During this period I pay for flights, hotels, food, clothing, gifts for family, medicine, doctors, taxis, coco juice…basically everything. 100s of thousands of pesos. During this time I wasn’t treated to a single drink, not even a glass of water. She’s obsessed with selfies and facebook."	[22:21]
punkman	so after declining 11 times, he fell for it?	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	"#10. I date a girl for 6 months. We get on fine. She texts me and asks for nearly 70000pesos for house deposit for her and her gay friend who are both house hunting. She says she and friend will pay it back to me the very next day. I decline. She tells me I’m dumped."	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	bwhahaah win.	[22:21]
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mircea_popescu	dude's a naive twerp. you put them to work.	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	who ever heard of this bs.	[22:22]
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punkman	http://philippinefailblog.com/my-experience-dating-a-filipina/ even bigger chump	[22:28]
assbot	My Experience Dating A Filipina \| Philippines Fail BlogPhilippines Fail Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1IUfuJY )	[22:28]
punkman	"I’ve asked to her to not leave candy wrappers on the bed or food on the counter as I find hundreds of ants when she does but she does anyway."	[22:28]
mircea_popescu	date a filipino chick ; not make her clean up your house. wtf ?!	[22:32]
mircea_popescu	it's almost like dating a mexican and not making him do your gardening.	[22:32]
mircea_popescu	woman married to a pole with a leaky toilet. wtf people!	[22:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.00073004 = 14.0898 BTC [-]	[22:36]
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mircea_popescu	good god this just goes on and on. heh.	[22:40]
mircea_popescu	ironically, the phillipines were a great place before being "progressed". so... expect it in maryland.	[22:40]
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asciilifeform	hanbot: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-08-2015#1239446 << any particular reason for the omissions, or mistake ?	[23:23]
assbot	Logged on 16-08-2015 00:54:40; hanbot: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-08-2015#1235149 << for the record i bungled this, built a (seemingly working nevertheless) frankenstein patch-quilt (dnsseed_snipsnip, thermonyukyoolar_kleansing, kills-integer-retardation, ver_now_5_4_endless_name_string, zap_hardcoded_seeds, showmyip_crud, if anyone's interested).	[23:23]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-08-2015#1239466 << to paraphrase william gibson re: 'future' - it is ~already~ in maryland, 'just not evenly distributed'	[23:23]
assbot	Logged on 16-08-2015 01:39:37; mircea_popescu: ironically, the phillipines were a great place before being "progressed". so... expect it in maryland.	[23:23]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.contravex.com/2014/07/23/a-guide-to-buying-5000-ether-bitcoin-2-5x-more-than-ethereums-genesis-sale/#comment-26253 << lol at some dude. is this a new alt of an old scammer or wut.	[23:24]
assbot	A Guide To Buying 5000 Ether/Bitcoin, 2.5x More Than Ethereum’s Genesis Sale Offers \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1heNvhq )	[23:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28050 @ 0.00073003 = 20.4773 BTC [-] {5}	[23:24]
hanbot	asciilifeform bad hygiene on my part. by the time i'd gotten the release to build my tabs "saved for later when patching" were a mess, and i didn't re-check.	[23:26]
asciilifeform	ah	[23:26]
asciilifeform	can use 'orchestra' if you're satisfied with mod6's verification thereof, or care to conduct own	[23:27]
asciilifeform	it has all mainline patches released to date.	[23:27]
asciilifeform	(in the case of rel1, literally; in the case of rel2-pre - all that have been proposed for that release)	[23:27]
asciilifeform	in other nyooz,	[23:28]
asciilifeform	incitatus is back.	[23:28]
asciilifeform	(in the unlikely event anyone missed it!)	[23:28]
asciilifeform	zoolag	[23:30]
asciilifeform	damn it	[23:30]
asciilifeform	zoolag is back.	[23:30]
asciilifeform	incitatus, old piece of shit, was not the subject of this story.	[23:30]
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hanbot	can use 'orchestra' if you're satisfied with mod6's verification thereof, or care to conduct own << likely will try it out, yeah.	[23:36]
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asciilifeform	http://www.krivosheev.ru/1-HTML/Svejkovina/Nohavica/Sekne-context.html << i nominate for prize, 'worst translation on the planet'	[23:52]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1heRbQe )	[23:52]
phf	hehe	[23:55]
phf	vkontakte-friendly translation methodology	[23:56]
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