Forum logs for 15 Aug 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
asciilifeform << harsh americanized version [00:00]
assbot Patrick - Maryčka Magdonova + text - YouTube ... ( ) [00:00]
trinque jesus christ my sister just quoted The Prince and called it a quote from The Office [00:02]
trinque if the point about culture wasn't made well enough already... [00:02]
trinque re: being loved and/or feared [00:03]
cazalla asciilifeform, in your rotor guide, can you help me understand what step 6 asks me to do? [00:03]
cazalla specifically "and fill distfiles with tarballs, etc. as before." is this just all the patches? [00:04]
asciilifeform it means: make a stator [00:04]
asciilifeform and place it in rotor/stator [00:04]
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asciilifeform and it's all jurov's fault! [00:06]
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asciilifeform cazalla: if you have an existing stator, clean out the guts and use that. [00:12]
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asciilifeform << mega-winner of a statue! betcha the kidz think the chick died as a partizan in ww2 [00:25]
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asciilifeform what are the belching smokestacks doing in the background ?!! [00:25]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: is there a soviet mega-statuelith of fefeleaga somewhere ? [00:29]
asciilifeform wtf, [00:30]
assbot Celebrul personaj “Fefeleaga” a fost cât se poate de real. Află povestea fascinantă a eroinei! | Radio Enigma Romania ... ( ) [00:30]
asciilifeform ^ claims she was somebody's grand-grandmom, and only ! only 3 of her 6 offspring died [00:31]
asciilifeform this is again reminiscent of 'grave of the fireflies', autobiographical animation, author's father - unlike protagonist's - came back from jp navy; author - did not starve in an underground station. but he WISHED that he had [00:32]
asciilifeform so extra-depressionified the story [00:32]
trinque a guy I respect told me that one could maybe hope to change the world in one specific way, but that intending to change the world arbitrarily was the mark of hubris [00:45]
trinque relates imo to the Fefeleaga story [00:46]
trinque look at her abjection, and yet, what could you possibly do to prevent future Fefeleagas [00:46]
trinque not a goddamn thing. as (*clears his throat*) MJK of Tool wrote, "The universe is hostile, so impersonal. Devour to survive; so it is, so it's always been." [00:47]
trinque and since such thoughts are usually associated with a sort of brutal perspective, let me ask: which is worse, the mind which accepts the harsh reality of existing or the one which struggles against it? [00:59]
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asciilifeform trinque: easy one [01:03]
asciilifeform trinque: the mind that invents death ray and spins round, round, round with it, 'for piglet!' [01:03]
asciilifeform ( canonical: ) [01:04]
assbot Logged on 25-06-2015 21:47:45; assbot: Logged on 03-02-2015 23:43:58; asciilifeform: winnie pooh walks into a butcher's shop, asks 'got mortadella' ? answer, 'sure' winnie pooh draws a submachinegun and spins round, round, round with it, mowing down everything that moves: 'for piiigleet!' [01:04]
asciilifeform trinque: the thing about fefeleaga in my mind is that the stock off-the-shelf model of existence is a guaranteed suckfest. [01:08]
asciilifeform see mr.o, 'The great mass of human beings are not acutely selfish. After the age of about thirty they almost abandon the sense of being individuals at all — and live chiefly for others, or are simply smothered under drudgery. But there is also the minority of gifted, willful people who are determined to live their own lives to the end' [01:08]
asciilifeform and 'The impulse to cling to youth at all costs, to attempt to preserve your sexual attraction, to see even in middle age a future for yourself and not merely for your children, is a thing of recent growth and has only precariously established itself. It will probably disappear again when our standard of living drops and our birth-rate rises.' [01:09]
asciilifeform fefeleaga is sop [01:09]
asciilifeform it is the other items on the menu which are experimental, high-tech oddities, like particle accelerator. [01:09]
asciilifeform yes, just like it. [01:10]
trinque asciilifeform: first off, goddamn if I didn't just bellow laughter across the bar at "for piglet!" [01:14]
trinque and indeed, fefeleaga is the baseline [01:14]
trinque this is what we will amount to absent intelligence, luck, etc [01:15]
trinque but then too, my end is just like hers [01:15]
trinque absent "purpose" or whatever, just pain and desolation [01:15]
trinque there is freedom in that, but I'm not ready to articulate it [01:15]
trinque that freedom is why the story made me smile, horrible though it is [01:17]
cazalla [01:17]
assbot 8chan-hosted content disappears from Google searches | Ars Technica ... ( ) [01:17]
trinque admitting death, perhaps we are freer to do as we please in life [01:18]
trinque cazalla: damnatio googoliae [01:18]
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gernika Saddest stories I read in school were Bridge to Terebithia, and Where the Red Fern Grows. Not comparable to Fefeleaga I don't think. [01:33]
trinque it's why I enjoy good metal [01:35]
trinque death is always there, staring at you [01:35]
trinque anticipating you [01:36]
gernika My Dad did enjoy telling me the story of the Donner Party. One of his favorites. [01:37]
trinque sure, you'd do it [01:37]
trinque no matter how high a man ascends, he is also that [01:37]
trinque starve him, and he will eat [01:37]
trinque back him into a corner, and he will kill [01:37]
trinque hence we are a species that inhabits every continent, and sometimes space beyond [01:38]
trinque and hopefully much more of the latter, in the future [01:38]
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mircea_popescu i dunno about that theory. [02:49]
mircea_popescu i dun think i'd eat person unless it tasted well. [02:49]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform can't say jew, it's bad! [02:51]
mircea_popescu re: being loved and/or feared << it's actually a quote from that de niro film :D chaz palminteri says it :D [02:53]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the notion of making statues for imaginary entities was not really well rooted. [02:55]
mircea_popescu and yes it was a real character. the guy didn't write fiction. he just wrote well and so plenty of his ethnographic notations read more like blogposts. [02:56]
mircea_popescu this is what we will amount to absent intelligence, luck, etc << you will have quite the hill to conquer in showing the woman was bereft intelligence. [02:59]
mircea_popescu 8chan-hosted-content-disappears-from-google-searches/ << there's an iron curtain now falling on teh internets, . it's us and them. [03:00]
mircea_popescu it is ok to seek a twitter wrapper of x, just not x. because twitter gotta eat, and all that. [03:02]
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shinohai [06:11]
assbot Some Isolated Tribes in the Amazon Are Initiating Contact ... ( ) [06:11]
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cazalla asciilifeform, ./bitcoind -myip=*.*.*.* -connect throws error "couldn't connect to server", any ideas why? [06:25]
cazalla ah dw [06:25]
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shinohai @ BingoBoingo lulzy log [06:39]
punkman watched the new mad max flick yesterday, not too bad [06:59]
punkman slightly annoying that you can't hear anyone talk over all the explosions, unless you turn the volume way up [07:00]
punkman then again, not a lot of talking [07:00]
shinohai I bought some headphones last week, I may waych it with those. [07:03]
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punkman !up Vexual [07:08]
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punkman I expected titties but all I got was the babes derping about not being property [07:19]
shinohai [07:20]
assbot ... ( ) [07:20]
punkman is that a cucumber? [07:20]
shinohai ;;later tell mod6 the real cumber^ [07:20]
gribble The operation succeeded. [07:20]
shinohai Yes that is, in fact, a cucumber with a condom stretched over it. [07:21]
punkman ;;halfreward [07:31]
gribble Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Wed Jul 27 22:10:36 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 49 weeks, 4 days, 11 hours, 40 minutes, and 0 seconds. [07:31]
punkman ;;bc,bull [07:32]
gribble Next Price Estimate: 292.523 | Next Price In About 3 days, 1 hour, 53 minutes, and 34 seconds [07:32]
punkman s.nsa already has that [07:36]
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punkman !up Vexual [07:40]
assbot Log In - The New York Times ... ( ) [07:40]
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assbot Modified yeast produce opiates from sugar ... ( ) [07:47]
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assbot Log In - The New York Times ... ( ) [07:52]
punkman "Some California farmers have turned to drip irrigation to reduce their water use." << ah welcome to state of the art in 1970 greece [07:53]
shinohai Vexual: Do you have a helpful photograph of what a murderous tranny looks like ? [07:53]
shinohai bummer [07:53]
shinohai There goes like half of backpage [07:54]
punkman water reserves running out? [07:59]
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punkman up it goes [08:14]
cazalla,microsoft-can-disable-your-pirated-games-and-illegal-hardware.aspx [08:14]
assbot Microsoft can disable your pirated games and illegal hardware - PC & Tech Authority ... ( ) [08:14]
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BingoBoingo Oh, yet another party copying MP [10:57]
assbot The OpenBSD Foundation Announces New Silver Donor: Yandex ... ( ) [10:57]
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shinohai lol YANDEX [11:05]
shinohai teh Google of Rusha [11:05]
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BingoBoingo shinohai: I personally think this is the same process that slowly lead even Thermos to denounce Gavin, just... once enough time had passed to make MP espoused sanity seem original to the uninitiated [11:18]
shinohai I was rather shocked tbh. reddit has come out w/pitchferks [11:19]
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asciilifeform [12:22]
asciilifeform gcd==519691042937; Andrew Orr [12:22]
asciilifeform ;;later tell lobbes where's the bot? [12:22]
gribble The operation succeeded. [12:22]
asciilifeform << and 'unknown soldier' is what ? [12:23]
assbot Logged on 15-08-2015 05:54:33; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the notion of making statues for imaginary entities was not really well rooted. [12:23]
asciilifeform << he might have been thinking of something else, not intelligence, possibly this: [12:25]
assbot Logged on 15-08-2015 05:58:54; mircea_popescu:
this is what we will amount to absent intelligence, luck, etc << you will have quite the hill to conquer in showing the woman was bereft intelligence.
assbot Logged on 08-07-2015 19:35:21; ascii_field: interestingly, old norse, even, had a very specific word for this trait [12:25]
asciilifeform << maybe because it's actually ? [12:25]
assbot Logged on 15-08-2015 09:24:15; cazalla: asciilifeform, ./bitcoind -myip=*.*.*.* -connect throws error "couldn't connect to server", any ideas why? [12:25]
asciilifeform << what i'd like to know is what became of the famous yanomamo tribe. last i heard, they traded a load of animal skins for a crate of shotguns, and that was the last anybody heard of'em.. [12:29]
assbot Logged on 15-08-2015 09:10:39; shinohai: [12:29]
asciilifeform << when i get to shoot the alarm clock. and never buy a new one. [12:30]
assbot Logged on 15-08-2015 10:32:36; Vexual: how long till alf stops crying poor? [12:30]
asciilifeform << when boiling the proverbial frog, when it gets cooked enough you can just turn up the heat to whatever. srsly, they included a keylogger and admitted to it. why should they not also rape you in every other possible hole, and drill new ones as desired ? [12:31]
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asciilifeform << lulzies [12:52]
assbot Cryptography And Quicksand | Gödel's Lost Letter and P=NP ... ( ) [12:52]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu ^ [12:57]
asciilifeform i just love these gloriously educated folks who carry on pretending we don't exist. [12:57]
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asciilifeform << lulzy [13:01]
assbot Area 51 | Gödel's Lost Letter and P=NP ... ( ) [13:01]
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asciilifeform not a bad www though. [13:08]
asciilifeform it is so rare to meet with folks who aren't howlingly retarded. [13:08]
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mod6 <+shinohai> ;;later tell mod6 the real cumber^ << ahhaha [13:15]
shinohai can thank me for the marketing tip later [13:16]
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mod6 heheh. [13:49]
jurov :) nsfw [13:50]
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mod6 So, if anyone wants to try out these automated cucumber tests on v0.5.4-TEST2 w/rotor ; I have some recipes that work on: ubuntu 10.04, deb6/7/8 and gentoo. Just send me a PM and I'll work with you on it. [13:52]
mod6 Meanwhile, now I'm gonna see if I can figure out this new versioning email. The hard part is going to be having to verify everything posted, and re-writing all of our documentation. [13:54]
mod6 asciilifeform: Are you planning on posting each patch (that we've since included in rel1, rel2) in a separate email to the list with a detached sig and included sha512? [13:55]
mod6 Sounds like from your email, that's pretty much the plan... [13:56]
mod6 Just curious. [13:56]
mircea_popescu << the reason HE can't have "his own opinions" is simply that he's hounding her. just like used car, insurance and aluminum sides salesmen can't have their own opinions. [14:05]
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BingoBoingo Oh, you though people who posted caps like that to reddit/voad/twatter would be anything other than derpy siding salesmen? [14:07]
mircea_popescu well in this case he's some dude, speaking enligsh on a gadget. so... yeah, he's the sort that begs for sex. [14:08]
punkman he only begs ironically [14:08]
mircea_popescu oh ok then [14:11]
BingoBoingo Of course [14:11]
mircea_popescu /sarcasm [14:11]
mircea_popescu anyway, the dudes that women hound are just as retarded. take me for instance : there's a shitton of opinions woman can't hold. recently met a very sweet girl, smart, decent figure. she's an argentine, so her only real chance to eat is to work for the government - there's really no productive activity going on here, much like it were say detroit. so she was some derpy "social worker" and aiming to either seniorize into [14:13]
mircea_popescu the civil corps or maybe run for office as she ages. like you know, hillary. [14:13]
mircea_popescu obviously that in that context, her choices are between depression and socialist ideas. so understandably, she had a lot of notions about "the people" and "the good". [14:13]
mircea_popescu notions which also happen to be intolerable. such is lyf. [14:14]
mircea_popescu she got so heartbroken she deleted her whatever profile etc. but wtf am i to do, i won't hang out with some chick that actually thinks "the people bla bla". just like that chick won't hang out with some dude that's either short or thinks the boo boo about fatties. cuz she can. [14:15]
mircea_popescu punkman> "Some California farmers have turned to drip irrigation to reduce their water use." << ah welcome to state of the art in 1970 greece << word. i was rather impressed with what "intensive agriculture" meant down there. [14:23]
mircea_popescu damn, 67 huh ? meat today! [14:23]
mod6 asciilifeform: ok cool! rel1.patch and rel2-pre.patch do apply cleanly to all of the existing patches [14:24]
mod6 now, I need to just validate these hashes. [14:25]
mircea_popescu and 'unknown soldier' is what ? << there is no doubt that at least one soldier somewhere existed, right ? this is not abstract but synthetic, like a statue to an apple. "which apple". [14:25]
asciilifeform << detached sig, absolutely yes. posted as separate email each - absolutely fucking not [14:26]
assbot Logged on 15-08-2015 16:54:38; mod6: asciilifeform: Are you planning on posting each patch (that we've since included in rel1, rel2) in a separate email to the list with a detached sig and included sha512? [14:26]
mircea_popescu so it's a rebase basically [14:27]
asciilifeform approximately. [14:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14150 @ 0.000665 = 9.4098 BTC [-] {2} [14:29]
asciilifeform folks were demanding a thing which you can ask 'find me the longest chain signed by mod6' etc [14:29]
asciilifeform so that's what i'm writing. [14:29]
mircea_popescu nothin' wrong with that. [14:29]
asciilifeform the basic unit of life in 'v' (apparatus) is the vdiff (output of [14:29]
asciilifeform the latter is included in the latest ml post [14:30]
mircea_popescu V is particularly apt. [14:30]
asciilifeform and is also in the log somewhere. [14:30]
mircea_popescu name something evvie while at it >D [14:30]
asciilifeform << wai wat, i thought mircea_popescu's hobby was to pick this wildlife up from the streets and reformat it [14:31]
assbot Logged on 15-08-2015 17:14:43; mircea_popescu: she got so heartbroken she deleted her whatever profile etc. but wtf am i to do, i won't hang out with some chick that actually thinks "the people bla bla". just like that chick won't hang out with some dude that's either short or thinks the boo boo about fatties. cuz she can. [14:31]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform not at her age. [14:31]
mircea_popescu it works for 19yos, it is not worth the hassle with 29yos. [14:32]
mod6 asciilifeform: yeah, one email is ok by me. just was curious what you had in mind. [14:32]
asciilifeform logical. [14:32]
asciilifeform mod6: what i have in mind is that this ends up being a box where you can drop in a sig (l1 !) and, optionally, one or more patches [14:32]
asciilifeform sig can be for existing patch in the list [14:32]
asciilifeform patch must be accompanied with sig [14:33]
asciilifeform (pairwise) [14:33]
mircea_popescu sounds about right. [14:33]
asciilifeform then everyone who did what mod6 did and verified that the universe of patches in 'orchestra' is actually identical to the previously published set but for the antecedent hashes, [14:34]
asciilifeform can submit sigs for them [14:34]
asciilifeform (with the proviso that he has read, grasped, each) [14:34]
asciilifeform ideally someone who isn't me has also verified the antecedents [14:34]
asciilifeform which entails doing exactly, word for word, what i did to make 'orchestra' [14:35]
asciilifeform meanwhile, from the loltrons, [14:36]
asciilifeform [14:36]
assbot [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT 0.11A ... ( ) [14:36]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform im pretty sure hanbot is doing exactly this [14:36]
asciilifeform and [14:37]
assbot Why is Bitcoin forking? — Medium ... ( ) [14:37]
asciilifeform ^ hearn unzips and begins [14:37]
mod6 << seems to do what I thought it did. so thats cool. [14:37]
assbot ... ( ) [14:37]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform no idea why retards seem to have all flocked to "" but hey. [14:37]
asciilifeform dun think i've seen it before [14:38]
mircea_popescu !s [14:38]
assbot 71 results for '' : [14:38]
asciilifeform hm. [14:38]
asciilifeform 'Congratulations Gavin and Mike on completing the patch to support larger block sizes. Although we all have ideological disagreements from time to time, two fundamental values of the Bitcoin community are freedom of choice and transparency of communication. Your work represents a big step in returning the power over Bitcoin's future back to the community where it belongs.' << l0l!! [14:38]
mircea_popescu at least 80% of those are patently retarded. [14:38]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform who is this ? [14:38]
asciilifeform << some tard [14:39]
assbot Why is Bitcoin forking? : Bitcoin ... ( ) [14:39]
mod6 <+asciilifeform> mod6: what i have in mind is that this ends up being a box where you can drop in a sig (l1 !) and, optionally, one or more patches << yeah, this is good [14:39]
mircea_popescu so basically some tard wanted to pretend like he's important. [14:39]
mircea_popescu why am i reading some tard's pretense, no matter how he thinks he's "hooked it" into the events. [14:39]
asciilifeform finally mustered the balls to pull the trigger [14:39]
asciilifeform idk, asked 'who was this' [14:39]
asciilifeform answer 'some tard' [14:40]
mircea_popescu to quote some people - this is great for bitcoin. [14:40]
mircea_popescu << some tard that economizes on copy. [14:40]
assbot overview for Peter__R ... ( ) [14:40]
asciilifeform filipino [14:41]
mircea_popescu anyway. nobody cares. in the most literal sense of that word. [14:41]
mircea_popescu they can go fight eth for doge supremacy or w/e it is retards do. [14:41]
mircea_popescu "oh this failed project is so exciting - look, it even overtook last quarter's failed project on the failed projects list!!11" [14:41]
asciilifeform meanwhile my nodez are running hotter than ever [14:42]
shinohai How many nodes u running? [14:42]
asciilifeform same as before [14:42]
asciilifeform 2 and 1/2 [14:42]
mircea_popescu time to put up some more nodes huh ? [14:42]
asciilifeform there's another but i gotta travel to a somewhat distant place to plug the bugger in [14:43]
asciilifeform but what we really need is moar nodez on serious commercial boxes [14:43]
mircea_popescu ima bring a few up. [14:43]
mod6 asciilifeform: here's what i've done so far with V, [14:43]
assbot ... ( ) [14:43]
mircea_popescu incidentally, jurov and anyone else who might care : i will be wiping the archive of that hacker team thing. if you want copies of anything etc get it now. [14:43]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if not urgent, leave it up till monday night [14:44]
asciilifeform or not. i think i got what i needed [14:44]
mircea_popescu wasn't gonna do it right now. [14:45]
mircea_popescu but it's on teh list, it'll get done eventually, an' i know people have a habit to prevaricate. [14:45]
asciilifeform mod6: nice script and it will do until i'm done with the actual mechanism [14:45]
* mircea_popescu really likes the name V [14:46]
mircea_popescu a better name could not be had, for what this thing is and does. [14:46]
* asciilifeform likes short names for frequently used machines [14:46]
mircea_popescu "signatures offer the means to meaning, and for they who can listen, the enunciation of truth." [14:46]
* asciilifeform currently racking brain over how to make the thing verify in better than O(N^2) [14:47]
mircea_popescu why ? [14:47]
asciilifeform it gets annoying, fast [14:47]
mircea_popescu let me rephrase. [14:47]
asciilifeform because every single operation involves walking EVERY sig FOR EVERY patch [14:47]
asciilifeform because no other state. [14:47]
mircea_popescu why do you think this is possible and if you have any reason to think so why aren't you fixing bitcoin then [14:47]
mircea_popescu wait. for every patch in the line, right ? [14:48]
asciilifeform it is possible if one does something jurovish and requires, e.g., sigs to include what they are sigs for in the filename or the like [14:48]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: mno, for every patch and every sig ever made. [14:48]
mircea_popescu ah that's nonsense. [14:48]
asciilifeform aha [14:48]
asciilifeform this is a place we end up in because pgp is retarded [14:48]
asciilifeform and one can't get a meaningful hash out of a sig [14:48]
asciilifeform (file hash) [14:48]
mircea_popescu we sadly have been overtaken by events in this point. i'd have much preferred to start work on this after the decanter work for "new pgp" was done. [14:49]
asciilifeform same [14:49]
jurov or do the same as with diff - add hash of content into every clearsigned doc [14:50]
asciilifeform [14:50]
assbot Logged on 26-06-2015 22:59:59; jurov: mod6 they append date and whatnot to data prior to hashing anyway [14:50]
asciilifeform jurov: NO [14:50]
asciilifeform jurov: no mutilations. [14:50]
mircea_popescu incidentally, re shinohai: I personally think this is the same process that slowly lead even Thermos to denounce Gavin, just... once enough time had passed to make MP espoused sanity seem original to the uninitiated <<< do not imagine that ms, yandex et all did not know same things i know. obviously trhey do, but they also had hoped they're somehow favoured sons. because "Terrorists will never do that, tr [14:50]
mircea_popescu ust me". [14:50]
asciilifeform because FUCKTARDED [14:50]
mircea_popescu bitcoin changes everything, of course, and outside the heaped plate of humilation lasagna it allowed me to forcefeed bob beck, [14:51]
mircea_popescu you can admire all the extra bezzle it forced microsoft & all to expend. [14:51]
mircea_popescu which, yes, it's a great thing for teh free world. [14:51]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform hash in the doc is not a bad idea, eh ? [14:51]
asciilifeform of the doc!!?!??!! [14:51]
mircea_popescu yes. [14:51]
asciilifeform with 'escaped dashes', the whole shit soup? [14:52]
asciilifeform how about a big fat No. [14:52]
mircea_popescu looky : when i signed a piece of paper i nulled out the empty spaces. [14:52]
mircea_popescu a checksum's not a bad idea, why do you think it is a bad idea ? [14:52]
asciilifeform because it doesn't belong in-band. [14:52]
BingoBoingo ^ hearn unzips and begins << So begins project Scott Tenorman [14:52]
asciilifeform because a file is unitary. [14:52]
asciilifeform because motherfucking unix philosophy. [14:53]
mircea_popescu so i can't include a hash of the document i nthe document. [14:53]
asciilifeform because what you end up with is two files who are somehow trying to sit in one chair [14:53]
asciilifeform now you can't sha512sum on the file, have to put it through a cutter [14:53]
mircea_popescu so by this theory, we should have one phone network for the network and another phone network for the control codes ? [14:53]
asciilifeform all modern phone networks actually do this. [14:54]
asciilifeform (not separate fiber, mind you, but may as well.) [14:54]
mircea_popescu can i include checksums in packets ? [14:54]
mircea_popescu or must have tcp packets and udp checksums separate ? [14:54]
asciilifeform l0l [14:54]
mircea_popescu well ? [14:54]
asciilifeform unix utils work as depicted in, e.g.,, deadly-simple, BECAUSE file is a solid abstraction [14:54]
asciilifeform can treat as stream [14:55]
mircea_popescu hm. [14:55]
asciilifeform if you want to break this, you get 100x the code and the gnomes. [14:55]
asciilifeform i ain't doing it. [14:55]
mircea_popescu either i've been very stupid for many years or you're just being nuts over here. [14:55]
mircea_popescu ima have to meditate on this. [14:55]
asciilifeform not without a much better reason than 'pgp breathes through its mouth' [14:55]
jurov asciilifeform: yo want to stream pgp signed stuff_ [14:55]
jurov ? [14:56]
jurov i don't get it too [14:56]
asciilifeform jurov: i get to checksum a patch by patch | sha512sum or basta. [14:56]
jurov patch | tail -n +1 | sha512sum [14:57]
asciilifeform the pgp signature thing is fucktarded, can't believe for how long we've put up with it [14:57]
asciilifeform jurov: how about line endings [14:57]
asciilifeform now you have to CARE ABOUT THE INSIDES [14:57]
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asciilifeform fuck that. [14:57]
jurov okay i give up.. what now? [14:57]
asciilifeform !up cryptonaut420 [14:57]
* assbot gives voice to cryptonaut420 [14:57]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform well obviouisly nobody ever used pgp for any serious purpose. [14:58]
asciilifeform jurov: now i have to solve the problem. like i solved others before. but this one's gonna take some time, it isn't a nice clean shot in the head, but more of a slow isis beheading [14:58]
asciilifeform gonna take a while, this sawing [14:58]
mircea_popescu i think im going to translate an ancient romanian article, i can not begin to believe how fucking apt it is. i thoight it was purely a romanian thing. [14:58]
* asciilifeform looks forward to reading [14:58]
mircea_popescu but it is apparent, from the apoplectic reactions, and glaring when you look at the shards together, that the same jerking around is both behind the openbsd story and the pgp story. [14:59]
asciilifeform this one's a '3-pipe case', in the words of sherlock holms [14:59]
mircea_popescu << see, now i can't see this in any other terms than, "ended up caring about insides" [15:00]
assbot Fefeleaga. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [15:00]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: thought it was about [15:00]
assbot Logged on 04-06-2014 00:08:26; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened. [15:00]
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mircea_popescu whereas i for a very long time have held the firm "fuck you, the text i write, i write with no consideration as to what you might misunderstand of it" [15:00]
mircea_popescu which also happens to be the right thing, incidentally. [15:01]
asciilifeform no shit. [15:01]
mircea_popescu fear the power of the cult. the deepest errors can survive all of five minutes in the charged atmosphere. [15:01]
* mircea_popescu contemplates the strange notion that every time he included hashes in stream he was actually doing the wrong thing. [15:02]
asciilifeform speaking of czech language, has jurov ever played the most famous msdos adventure game of his country, 'edna' ? [15:02]
asciilifeform beautiful thing [15:02]
jurov no [15:02]
asciilifeform witch, vaguely babayaga-like, walks around collecting clues re: where to find ingredients for revenge potion against the king (who banished her). most of the dialogue is in rhyme [15:03]
asciilifeform entirely untranslatable [15:03]
asciilifeform so it was never translated. [15:03]
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asciilifeform not even to ru. [15:03]
jurov but to german? [15:04]
assbot Edna bricht aus: Pc: Games ... ( ) [15:04]
asciilifeform [15:04]
assbot Edna :: DJ OldGames ... ( ) [15:04]
jurov trying to find it [15:04]
asciilifeform jurov: the de one appears to be different item ? [15:04]
asciilifeform my link has the w4r3z iirc [15:05]
jurov yes looks beautiful [15:06]
assbot Edna, PC DOS (1997) [CZ] - Gameplay + CD Audio Music - YouTube ... ( ) [15:06]
asciilifeform mega-music also [15:06]
jurov somehow never came around [15:06]
asciilifeform really represents all that was lost [15:06]
asciilifeform in the old world of games where the authors gave a shit [15:06]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11960 @ 0.00067073 = 8.0219 BTC [+] [15:12]
mircea_popescu ;;calc ((100 + (203-100)/2)/100)/7.6125 [15:15]
gribble 0.199014778325 [15:15]
asciilifeform wat [15:16]
mircea_popescu eulora stuff. [15:16]
asciilifeform ah [15:16]
mircea_popescu [15:16]
assbot #Eulora log for Saturday, 2015-08-15 ... ( ) [15:16]
mircea_popescu how any lisper can keep away from it is anyone's guess by this point. [15:16]
asciilifeform very easily [15:17]
asciilifeform by, say, not owning a 3d card [15:17]
mircea_popescu but it may be that lisp is not actually useful in practice!11111!!1 [15:17]
* BingoBoingo though MP may have been doing math related to producing a lucite cast of Obola's recutm to place in the Hearnia's urinary bladder [15:20]
asciilifeform << not catastrophically wrong, but more of a microscope-hammer sorta wrong [15:20]
assbot Logged on 15-08-2015 18:01:27; *: mircea_popescu contemplates the strange notion that every time he included hashes in stream he was actually doing the wrong thing. [15:20]
asciilifeform 'unix philosophy' had an actual meaning at one point, and was a very promising thing [15:21]
mircea_popescu i feel like, sensibly, palpably smarter today. [15:21]
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jurov asciilifeform: good you haven't seen mpex statjson output [15:26]
asciilifeform jurov: actually i might have, back when i briefly had an acct [15:26]
jurov back then there wan no statjson [15:27]
asciilifeform then no. [15:27]
jurov *was no [15:27]
asciilifeform 56/59/27 (dulap/zulag/incitatus), all 3 fully synced [15:36]
asciilifeform heavy day. [15:36]
asciilifeform (the latter pretty much never gets more than a dozen connections at one time) [15:36]
asciilifeform is pretty typical, apparently, '32-bit mirror slider' [15:39]
asciilifeform his other modulus will pop up soon, also [15:40]
asciilifeform it, too, is 'magical' [15:41]
asciilifeform (who wants, can paste it into a python repl and hex(........) to see what i mean) [15:41]
asciilifeform aaaaaaaaaaand.... [15:42]
asciilifeform drumroll........ [15:42]
asciilifeform [15:42]
assbot bitcoin NSE Library ... ( ) [15:42]
asciilifeform ^ Patrik Karlsson Andrew Orr [15:42]
asciilifeform authors. [15:42]
asciilifeform (all this re: ) [15:43]
assbot Logged on 15-08-2015 15:21:21; asciilifeform: [15:43]
asciilifeform [15:43]
assbot Search results for 'ca andreworr andrew' ... ( ) [15:43]
asciilifeform ^ exactly typical for the 'magic 98' [15:43]
asciilifeform [15:44]
assbot Search results for 'ca andreworr andrew' ... ( ) [15:44]
asciilifeform ^ mirror. [15:44]
asciilifeform and [15:45]
assbot Public Key Server -- Get "0x0947bbf3e954df04 " ... ( ) [15:45]
assbot Public Key Server -- Get "0x91e594358f264832 " ... ( ) [15:45]
asciilifeform ^ payloads. [15:45]
asciilifeform [15:49]
assbot ... ( ) [15:49]
asciilifeform and [15:49]
assbot ... ( ) [15:50]
asciilifeform (re: mr orr) [15:50]
asciilifeform [15:50]
assbot SkullSpace Winnipeg: Skullspace Winnipeg Inc. ... ( ) [15:50]
asciilifeform unlike mircea_popescu, i do not presently believe that ~all~ of these folks have been shot with the stupid-cannon [15:53]
asciilifeform at some point one of them will read this log and write in [15:54]
mircea_popescu aha. [15:56]
asciilifeform somehow i suspect that most of these people would give more of a fuck if the city phonebook (which no one i'm aware of uses for anything but kindling...) were to list a nigerian spammer's phone # instead of their own [15:57]
mircea_popescu doubt it. [15:58]
asciilifeform mr orr doesn't look like the usual vegetable to me [15:59]
mircea_popescu the vegetable quality is a thing apart. [16:00]
asciilifeform how's that [16:00]
mircea_popescu they're all vegetal. the smart and the dumb, the tall and the short, the ones with tits and the ones without [16:00]
mircea_popescu being a vegetable is unrelated to any other measurable quality. [16:01]
mircea_popescu it's just buying into this "being civilised means inhabiting the world of dreams" [16:01]
mircea_popescu like an opium habit. [16:01]
asciilifeform is this rather about whether fella has woken up to the salient fact of his time ? [16:01]
mircea_popescu yes. [16:01]
asciilifeform (e.g., in orwell's, coming of ww2) [16:01]
mircea_popescu no, in orwells - that he is insufficient, and he is a representative memberf of an inssuficient generation. [16:02]
mircea_popescu this, he never woke up to. [16:02]
asciilifeform sad thing is, he kinda did [16:02]
asciilifeform but didn't feel like eating his pistol quite yet, so made up various stories in his head [16:02]
mircea_popescu i distrust kindas. [16:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71500 @ 0.00070022 = 50.0657 BTC [+] {11} [16:02]
mircea_popescu rioght ? [16:02]
mircea_popescu and the kids coming after that just built on the habit. [16:02]
mircea_popescu the daydreaming children of insufficient parents. [16:02]
mircea_popescu omfg 70! [16:03]
mircea_popescu MWOOT [16:03]
asciilifeform ;;bc,stats [16:04]
gribble Current Blocks: 370004 | Current Difficulty: 5.269984240934701E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 370943 | Next Difficulty In: 939 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 0 hours, 10 minutes, and 44 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None [16:04]
asciilifeform happy odometer rollover. [16:04]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 122800 @ 0.00068782 = 84.4643 BTC [-] [16:04]
mircea_popescu purdy cool [16:04]
* asciilifeform has a separate display panel for the nodez, if anyone wondered, yes [16:05]
* BingoBoingo actually kinda surprised Hearn didn't wait until the first weekend of September to drop his trousers for a fencing contest. Shitgnommery was starting to get a pattern. [16:05]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: for some reason i thought that his 'if enough of us, let's open fire' turd was released ages ago [16:06]
asciilifeform a bit surprised to learn that it just now went out. [16:06]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Idea of it was, then he released some binaries earlier this week for turd platforms. Now declaration of forking. [16:06]
BingoBoingo [16:08]
assbot PhiMinD comments on Why is Bitcoin forking? ... ( ) [16:08]
asciilifeform << linked, lulzy [16:08]
assbot Mike Hearn is saying Fork might ignore the longest chain! : Bitcoin ... ( ) [16:08]
mircea_popescu it would have to. [16:08]
mircea_popescu how else ? [16:09]
asciilifeform tame/retarded minerz ? [16:09]
mircea_popescu lol right. [16:09]
asciilifeform hey, no shortage of the latter [16:09]
mircea_popescu count the eth mining power. [16:09]
asciilifeform as suggested by the july 4 incident [16:09]
mircea_popescu no shortage of tyhe latter ON REDDIT [16:09]
mircea_popescu or any other place where the bar to entry is not as high as to exclude the urban poor. [16:09]
asciilifeform nah, in the land of the cat&dog eaters [16:10]
mircea_popescu the chinese do learn. [16:10]
mircea_popescu even if they have to be beaten with a nailed plank first [16:10]
mircea_popescu they do learn. [16:10]
mircea_popescu not so much can be said about the anglos. [16:10]
* asciilifeform can't wait for the first tard block [16:12]
mircea_popescu you are not alone. [16:12]
mircea_popescu it will be absolutely great if they scam any exchange into accepting their shit as bitcoin, or otherwise if any retards pay money for xtc. [16:13]
mircea_popescu for i have some bridges for sale. [16:13]
* BingoBoingo suggest shorting instrument be refered to a TexasCoin or TXCoin for the phillipino's lulz and dyslexia [16:15]
asciilifeform l0l xtc [16:16]
asciilifeform extacy [16:16]
* BingoBoingo going out to pick up some venom and bile. I can't even today. [16:19]
mircea_popescu shorting instrument my foot. it can't be shorted for the same reason you can't short random idiot's imaginary girlfriend. [16:21]
mircea_popescu he only buys from himself. [16:21]
asciilifeform zulag shall down for maintenance for most of today, starting 30 seconds ago. [16:25]
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kakobrekla anyone running a tally on last blocks supporting increase? [16:29]
BingoBoingo kakobrekla: Third graph so far 0 [16:44]
assbot - Bitcoin XT Nodes ... ( ) [16:44]
kakobrekla 0, really ? [16:45]
BingoBoingo Looking that way with blocks. Gotta remember Chicoms mine SPV, prolly haven't fiddled that string yet [16:46]
BingoBoingo [16:47]
assbot I Would Rather Go Hungry Than Eat Filipino Street Food Again! - ... ( ) [16:47]
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BingoBoingo "We were open to new things, we were willing to eat anything locals gave us and we were so curious about new dishes. That has changed after 4 days of stomachache, dizziness and feeling overtired and bloated." << Made for Redditing [16:50]
mircea_popescu more of the "lowest common denominator is representatives for groups" ideology crashing on the jagged shores of reality. [16:57]
mircea_popescu i was curious about dishes too, but i didn't expect to find them in the gutter. [16:58]
BingoBoingo After research Phils does not seem like a destination to linger long when exit comes, if it even still makes the list by the time I get out. [16:59]
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BingoBoingo !up King_Rex [17:25]
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King_Rex ty [17:26]
BingoBoingo King_Rex: Thoughts on Hearn dropping his pants today? [17:29]
King_Rex link? does this mean he'll stop talking? [17:30]
mircea_popescu even max keiser is still talking. [17:31]
BingoBoingo scroll up, no it means he's forking. [17:31]
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King_Rex oh noes? [17:33]
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mod6 asciilifeform: I have successfully reproduced the rel1.patch on my own now with the same matching antecedent/new hashes. I have script that reproduces this all the way up through v0.5.3.1 -- will continue on and do the same for up through v0.5.4 before let everyone see. But, so far, so good. [17:34]
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King_Rex mircea_popescu i read Fefeleaga, thanks for posting [17:35]
mircea_popescu cheers. [17:35]
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BingoBoingo Hello bitstein, been a while [17:40]
bitstein Yea, mostly lurkin these days. [17:41]
bitstein Didn't see this in the logs. Someone claiming to be Satoshi posted on the bitcoin-dev list: [17:41]
assbot [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT Fork ... ( ) [17:41]
asciilifeform i can't wait for a 'donation of constantine' moment [17:43]
asciilifeform it'll be hilarious. [17:43]
asciilifeform on one hand, poster said nothing profoundly retarded. [17:44]
asciilifeform on other hand - no signature. [17:44]
asciilifeform so could be you, me, hitler. [17:44]
BingoBoingo bitstein: Well can't use the @gmx.whatever email anymore because haxxed. Curiously not signed [17:45]
bitstein asciilifeform, BingoBoingo: Satoshi didn't actually sign much (if anything?), so it would be hard to verify regardless. [17:45]
BingoBoingo He signed enough that his signature could attest he wrote it or was rectotherm'd [17:46]
asciilifeform could sign with his addresses, even. [17:46]
asciilifeform or, if all else fails, the original gavinalert key. [17:47]
bitstein asciilifeform: yea, he could [17:47]
bitstein BingoBoingo: What has he actually signed? Nothing is coming to mind immediately. [17:47]
asciilifeform << l0l [17:47]
assbot [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT Fork ... ( ) [17:47]
asciilifeform esp re: the 32-bit fp [17:48]
asciilifeform somebody cook up a key with that fp as seen in idiot winblows pgp, and sign, for the lulz [17:48]
* BingoBoingo too busy loading up the gallblader [17:50]
asciilifeform !s 5EC948A1 [17:50]
assbot 0 results for '5EC948A1' : [17:50]
asciilifeform ;;google 5EC948A1 [17:50]
gribble Proof of Satoshi with signed key : Bitcoin - Reddit: ; Glenn Greenwald and Satoshi Nakamoto Comsec - Cryptome: ; Satoshi Nakamoto's P2P foundation profile makes a reply - Bitcoin ...: [17:50]
asciilifeform << it ? [17:50]
assbot Search results for '0x18c09e865ec948a1' ... ( ) [17:50]
bitstein Spoiler warning: that "proof" on reddit was bs. [17:51]
asciilifeform l0l 'john titor' [17:51]
shinohai Isn't all "proof" on reddit? [17:51]
asciilifeform (famous hoax) [17:51]
asciilifeform trying to turn up something that was actually signed, ever, by 'satoshi' [17:51]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform [17:52]
assbot The jerking around, a modern bedtime pattern. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [17:52]
mircea_popescu let me know if it actually makes any sense or i summarized to omuch [17:52]
mircea_popescu or, if all else fails, the original gavinalert key. << not acceptable, been shared. [17:53]
asciilifeform aye [17:53]
asciilifeform but who's to say what has or has not been shared. [17:53]
asciilifeform for all we know, original key is shared by the 1,001 nsa contractors who wrote the turd [17:54]
mircea_popescu in that case, in the positive, me. [17:54]
mircea_popescu in other cases, by the case. [17:54]
asciilifeform so far the only thing i can turn up as 'satoshi's pubkey' is his coin addrs' privkeys [17:54]
asciilifeform all else could easily be anyone. [17:54]
bitstein asciilifeform: that's what i suspected [17:56]
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shinohai [17:56]
assbot Satoshi email analysis - ... ( ) [17:56]
shinohai lel [17:58]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: spiffy [17:59]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: still i find it interesting how impenetrable the usg 'never happened because we say so' shield is [18:00]
asciilifeform e.g., not one sane inquiry from outside of #b-a re: phuctor, to date, afaik [18:00]
mircea_popescu this hasd nothin to do with an yshield. [18:01]
asciilifeform it's as if it happened on some distant solar system [18:01]
mircea_popescu it has. [18:01]
mircea_popescu do you know how many inquiries the mongols got from hungarians ? [18:01]
mircea_popescu before wearing the hungarians as cock decorations ? [18:01]
mircea_popescu like, say, at the time they were butchering around the don. how many hungarian dudes came over to ask questions ? dja know ? [18:02]
mircea_popescu do you know how many us car makers were all over japan in the 50s ? [18:02]
mircea_popescu "teh shield of teh usg was strong in the 50s car industree" [18:02]
mircea_popescu in other news, [18:08]
assbot ... ( ) [18:08]
scoopbot_revived The jerking around, a modern bedtime pattern. [18:09]
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asciilifeform 'your average Romanian fellow would readily prefer to earn 11 units, when everyone else earns 10, instead of an alternative where he earns 90, when everyone else earns 100, indifferent to the fact that 90 is still, significantly above 11. This, in the language, is called "the neighbour's goat problem".' << but this is rational ! [18:18]
asciilifeform at least in bitcoinlandia [18:18]
mircea_popescu whether rational or not. [18:18]
mircea_popescu in any case it makes the desires of post-capitalism, the welfare state and the consumerist society, impossible. [18:19]
mircea_popescu inasmuch as at the time romanians declared they wish the latter, it was irrational. [18:20]
asciilifeform folks want 'get rich while you sleep, damn it, not bathtub of 'monopoly' money. [18:20]
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mircea_popescu there's no way to get rich while you sleep that doens't include everyone else getting richer. [18:21]
wyrdmantis i'll just leave this here [18:21]
assbot Imgur ... ( ) [18:21]
asciilifeform lelz [18:22]
shinohai LOL [18:24]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i have yet to fully grasp how this particular arithmetic handicap works. what is the mental process like, whereby schmuck doesn't wake up to the fact that 'get 90 while everyone gets 100' is equivalent to 'lose 1, keep 9, when everyone keeps 10' ? [18:25]
mircea_popescu lose 2 [18:25]
mircea_popescu it's not hard to explain tho. there's a political and a biological approach to life. the political approach is the thought of the alpha, the thing that results in half decade of trench warfare and a ruined europe : "either you sit lower than me or we fight." [18:26]
asciilifeform at any rate, the fixation with units of account is odd, if speaking of sovietized folk. i'd imagine they would realize that what they really want is 'sleep ad libitum', or even 'mercedes 600', rather than 'bag of benjies' per se [18:26]
mircea_popescu the biological approach is, "all i need are three meals a day. half a meal a day is less than what i need, five meals a day is more. i prefer the latter" [18:27]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform exactly wrong. [18:27]
mircea_popescu there's a reason argentines are worried about "insecuridad" and mexicans abotu the fucking rain. they published a study here recently - the most worried about global warming is... south fucking america. they're still in the 1850s re sun here, even have their ozone. [18:27]
mircea_popescu so, no. the soviets will be obsessed with units of account. [18:28]
* asciilifeform measured this with own skin [18:28]
asciilifeform the ozone. [18:28]
asciilifeform was floored. [18:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3591 @ 0.00071302 = 2.5605 BTC [+] [18:29]
mircea_popescu anwyay, back to the issue. buck will maintain a perimeter of forest edge and brush. with his life. [18:29]
mircea_popescu doe will eat enough to raise her young. [18:29]
mircea_popescu different approaches, for different needs. [18:29]
cazalla <<< yeah, sorry about that [18:29]
assbot Logged on 15-08-2015 15:25:00; asciilifeform: << maybe because it's actually ? [18:29]
shinohai [18:30]
assbot NSA Suite B Cryptography - NSA/CSS ... ( ) [18:30]
shinohai wrong window sorry guys [18:30]
asciilifeform 'IAD recognizes that there will be a move, in the not distant future, to a quantum resistant algorithm suite. Based on experience in deploying Suite B, we have determined to start planning and communicating early about the upcoming transition to quantum resistant algorithms. Our ultimate goal is to provide cost effective security against a potential quantum computer. We are working with partners across the USG, vendors, and s [18:30]
asciilifeform tandards bodies to ensure there is a clear plan for getting a new suite of algorithms that are developed in an open and transparent manner that will form the foundation of our next Suite of cryptographic algorithms. Until this new suite is developed and products are available implementing the quantum resistant suite, we will rely on current algorithms. For those partners and vendors that have not yet made the transition to Sui [18:30]
asciilifeform te B algorithms, we recommend not making a significant expenditure to do so at this point but instead to prepare for the upcoming quantum resistant algorithm transition.' [18:30]
asciilifeform ^ l0l! [18:31]
asciilifeform new verbiage [18:31]
asciilifeform (can't recall this shit being in there earlier this year) [18:31]
mircea_popescu ahahaha [18:31]
mircea_popescu wait, "across the usg" ? [18:31]
mircea_popescu is this now polite terminology inside the perimeter ? [18:32]
asciilifeform has been for 20yrs [18:32]
asciilifeform what, thought mr mold & co invented it ? [18:32]
mircea_popescu i read relatively little of their straight output [18:32]
mircea_popescu too much of it, too woody. [18:32]
wyrdmantis italian derps are HOORAYing for a 10% surge in a few hours... i don't even... [18:32]
assbot - Bitcoin XT Nodes ... ( ) [18:32]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform wait wtf, don't move to suite b wait for suite qt ?! [18:33]
asciilifeform 'It is important to note that we aren’t asking vendors to stop implementing the Suite B algorithms and we aren’t asking our national security customers to stop using these algorithms. Rather, we want to give more flexibility to vendors and our customers in the present as we prepare for a quantum safe future. Where elliptic curve protocols are to be used, we prefer Suite B standards be used to the fullest extent possible a [18:34]
asciilifeform s they have a long history of security evaluation and time tested implementation that newer proposals do not yet have.' [18:34]
asciilifeform hard to say, reads like the output of five separate monkeys who did not have any kind of complete picture each, other than a checklist of 'agenda items' to address [18:35]
mircea_popescu this is directly contradicting the last phrase in the previous snippet. [18:35]
asciilifeform aha [18:35]
mircea_popescu we aren't recommending you do what we just recommended you do. [18:35]
asciilifeform hence my observation. [18:35]
mircea_popescu ridiculous. anyway, let teh usg keep on with the curves, wut. [18:36]
asciilifeform kinda curious which hardness puzzle they'll bless for 'q-resistant' [18:38]
BingoBoingo wyrdmantis: Majority of social media noise not italian, check their grammar [18:39]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform if you add two and substract two and it comes out as what it was it's quantum resistant right ? [18:43]
mircea_popescu at least in 99.9% of cases. [18:43]
asciilifeform qc is not a wholly imaginary item, but a well-defined gadget proposed by r. feynman (naturally without schematics..) [18:43]
mircea_popescu on what grounds do yo uassume this is that ? [18:44]
asciilifeform what will or will not run, is also not completely empty field (e.g., shor's algo) [18:44]
mircea_popescu "scientist" is also a well defined gadget. [18:44]
asciilifeform don't misunderstand, defined in strictly gedankenexperiment terms [18:44]
asciilifeform in 'lectures on computation' (r. f.) [18:44]
mircea_popescu there is no basis that i can perceive on which one could propose that the term "quantum" as used by usg in any context has any meaning. [18:45]
wyrdmantis BingoBoingo: yes, i know, but the italian community that uses Telegram chatrooms is on fire tonight [18:45]
mircea_popescu i didn't know you were italian wyrdmantis [18:45]
mircea_popescu then again i also didn't know telegram is some sort of chatroom, so. [18:45]
asciilifeform they are speaking of a particular machine, which no one (as publicly known has built), but, e.g., 'd-wave' fraudulently sold to a few rich schmucks, and the difficulties of construction are not mysterious [18:45]
asciilifeform like airplane in 1880 [18:45]
mircea_popescu how do you know they are ? [18:45]
BingoBoingo wyrdmantis: Any of them with interesting business opportunities in the Middle west? [18:45]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: prolly better comparison is hot fusion [18:46]
mircea_popescu probably even better comparison is "stealth" [18:46]
mircea_popescu turns out the stealth airplane is not stealth in any sense. [18:46]
asciilifeform in that aficionados will point to a list of fairly specific, supposedly-'we're almost there' problems, that in point of fact no one knows how to solve ~~in ensemble~~ [18:46]
mircea_popescu and as the chief procurer pointed out "if you break the guidance at any point, we're still gonna call it stealth" [18:46]
asciilifeform individually - one? sure. while exacerbating the others. [18:46]
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wyrdmantis BingoBoingo: i don't know, what do you mean with Middle west? Europe? [18:47]
mircea_popescu now, granted, stealth is a well defined concept. [18:47]
mircea_popescu but not so in usg usage. [18:47]
asciilifeform originally well-defined, in the 'theory of edge wave' paper [18:47]
asciilifeform then - marketards got to it, aha. [18:48]
asciilifeform but they devour everything [18:48]
mircea_popescu i just don't see any cause to suspect this is what they;'re talking about [18:48]
mod6 asciilifeform: ok here it is: [18:48]
asciilifeform like graveworms [18:48]
assbot ... ( ) [18:48]
asciilifeform mod6: spiffy [18:49]
* asciilifeform bbl [18:49]
mod6 So I've basically been able to reproduce both of your rel1.patch & rel2-pre.patch -- and I went through your patch with my script's created patch side by side by hand and verified the sha512s [18:49]
mod6 Anyone who wants to please be a second pair of eyes here: run the script and then compare the scripts version to ascii's version: [18:49]
wyrdmantis mircea_popescu: i'm italian yes, and telegram is like Whatsapp but free, nothing that may interest you [18:49]
mod6 orchestra/rel1.patch v. orchestra/test-v0531-patches/rel1-test.patch [18:50]
mod6 and [18:50]
mod6 orchestra/rel2-pre.patch v. orchestra/test-v054-patches/rel2-pre-test.patch [18:50]
davout mircea_popescu: x.eur plz [18:50]
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BingoBoingo BingoBoingo: i don't know, what do you mean with Middle west? Europe? << Missourah [19:01]
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BingoBoingo wyrdmantis: If you know any Wops with a plan that isn't tarded I'd cross the river for that just to get out of Illinois though recent opportunities to take money Illinois would offer other people seem interesting if they pan out. [19:03]
mircea_popescu for free ie, like whatsap was free : yet. [19:03]
mircea_popescu hoping to one day find some idiots to "buy" it [19:03]
mircea_popescu etc. [19:03]
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mircea_popescu dav aha in a moment. [19:03]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54950 @ 0.00068782 = 37.7957 BTC [-] {2} [19:04]
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shinohai <<< memories! [19:12]
assbot Surfing the Internet… from my TRS-80 Model 100 | Ars Technica ... ( ) [19:12]
wyrdmantis BingoBoingo i'll investigate [19:14]
BingoBoingo wyrdmantis: No hurry. I'm probably not going to be to interested if anything comes up anyways and introductions are important. They should have known me first. [19:15]
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trinque << bwahahaha [19:23]
assbot Poisonous pedagogy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( ) [19:23]
trinque aka spanking your kid [19:23]
shinohai trinque: werent you the gentleman that had a gentoo build script? [19:25]
trinque shinohai: sure do [19:25]
trinque in teh logs, lemme see [19:25]
shinohai I remember you posting it but I lost the paste ... for qemu if memory serves [19:26]
trinque right, easy to alter though for an arbitrary block device [19:26]
trinque just have to hack some things out of the lilo config [19:26]
trinque and change two vars at the top [19:26]
shinohai nah i need something for qemu tbh [19:26]
shinohai So I can watch it like Sesame St. until I get the hang of it [19:27]
trinque ah k, and cool; exactly why I targeted that first [19:27]
trinque lemme actually sign the thing then [19:27]
shinohai kk [19:27]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71915 @ 0.00072048 = 51.8133 BTC [+] {4} [19:33]
trinque shinohai: [19:33]
assbot ... ( ) [19:33]
trinque shinohai: [19:33]
assbot ... ( ) [19:33]
trinque knobs at the top, will currently squeeze out a root.img in the current directory [19:33]
trinque lemme know how it goes [19:33]
trinque and the thing's written such that you can go edit the config files easily from within, should you want to [19:34]
trinque pick a different stage3, change make.conf, whatever [19:34]
trinque it also assumes you have the gentoo releases gpg pubkey [19:35]
trinque oh also run as root; it needs to for example loop-mount the image [19:37]
trinque and finally, the current stage3 in there is actually stale. so you'll have to alter that. [19:38]
trinque 20150813 [19:39]
trinque I don't like that they delete the old stage3's so quickly... [19:39]
trinque how the fuck am I supposed to be able to say that "this one is known to work" [19:40]
trinque stage3-amd64-hardened+nomultilib-20150813.tar.bz2 << [19:43]
trinque or whatever ya like [19:43]
shinohai ty o/ [19:44]
shinohai i searched the logs for HOURS [19:44]
trinque np, bout to depart, so hopefully that gets ya through [19:44]
trinque the gentoo key you want is 13EB BDBE DE7A 1277 5DFD B1BA BB57 2E0E 2D18 2910 [19:46]
shinohai I appreciate your support to my cause! [19:46]
trinque hey no problem [19:46]
trinque ttyl [19:46]
shinohai o7 [19:47]
shinohai [19:50]
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wyrdmantis shinoai lolz, i was about to post the same image [19:52]
punkman [19:54]
assbot Snake Oil Crypto Competition ... ( ) [19:54]
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shinohai nice punkman, I had to channel my inner 90's [20:06]
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assbot Crypto & Privacy Village Contest Winners! | Underhanded Crypto Contest ... ( ) [20:09]
asciilifeform << i read that piece not long ago, while contemplating buying one. [20:20]
assbot Logged on 15-08-2015 22:11:23; shinohai: <<< memories! [20:20]
asciilifeform and searching for docs [20:20]
shinohai I still have an original Extended Colour Basic manual lol [20:21]
shinohai dem GOTO's [20:21]
cazalla asciilifeform, are these AcceptToMemoryPool() : ConnectInputs failed errors a problem? also is it normal behaviour to gain so many new connections from other ips? i thought i'd only be syncing from dulap [20:23]
assbot ... ( ) [20:23]
asciilifeform cazalla: what are your run arguments ? [20:23]
asciilifeform cazalla: and you'll be seeing an ocean of 'ConnectInputs failed' if you're not at top block height [20:24]
asciilifeform thinkaboutit [20:24]
cazalla just ./bitcoind -myip=*.*.*.* -connect= [20:24]
asciilifeform cazalla: i don't see any connections from other ip ? [20:25]
asciilifeform in that log [20:25]
BingoBoingo cazalla: In your log? [20:25]
cazalla asciilifeform, at the bottom [20:25]
asciilifeform what is in the snipped part ? [20:26]
cazalla accepted connection these and many other ip addresses [20:26]
asciilifeform view process list, is it running with the args you thought you ran with ? [20:26]
asciilifeform and is the only instance [20:27]
punkman you might have addnode in config [20:27]
asciilifeform and this [20:27]
BingoBoingo [20:29]
assbot JL: Hos in the Hood ... ( ) [20:29]
cazalla not using addnode and process list shows what i ran as in "jon 23241 3.8 0.6 2106956 51844 pts/0 SLl+ 08:43 1:44 ./bitcoind -myip=*.*.*.* -connect= [20:29]
asciilifeform netstat -a ? [20:30]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: 'their elven palaces in Rivendale' << fucking illiterate [20:31]
asciilifeform it's rivendell [20:31]
asciilifeform wtf inglisch speaker doesn't know this ?!!!$ [20:31]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: To be fair I read him now because you introduced him to this chan, and seriously who respects the fantasy worlds of a Briton? [20:32]
asciilifeform me?? [20:32]
asciilifeform dun think so. [20:32]
asciilifeform !s from:asciilifeform [20:32]
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asciilifeform !s from:ascii_field [20:32]
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asciilifeform QED. [20:32]
asciilifeform !s from:decimation [20:33]
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asciilifeform ^ was him i think. [20:33]
BingoBoingo hmmm... I could have swore you introduced his links when Baltimore burned [20:33]
BingoBoingo AH [20:33]
BingoBoingo Twas the ghost [20:33]
asciilifeform the z80 article has spiffy photos [20:34]
asciilifeform recommended. [20:34]
BingoBoingo I can't remember the details of that drama, but damned if I don't confuse him for everyone else [20:34]
cazalla asciilifeform, what am i looking for in netstat? also, i still had 8333 port forwarding in router going on for 0.8.3, might that be the problem? [20:34]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: you may be confusing him with diametric, like mircea_popescu did on a few occasions [20:34]
asciilifeform diametric is an actual person i see just about every day. [20:34]
BingoBoingo I've always confused him with diametric. In this case I think I confused with you because you talked about having been to the burning places in Baltimore now that I think about it. [20:35]
asciilifeform i have been to them. prior to their burning. [20:35]
mircea_popescu that wikipedia article is a rare example of extreme millitant ignorance. [20:36]
mircea_popescu a) the term is older than freud [20:36]
BingoBoingo Lafond guy seems to have some good stuff, a lot of bad stuff, and some interesting fiction. Just that accounting for getting hit in the head part takes work. [20:37]
mircea_popescu b) it readily describes all sorts of known-broken apprtoaches and techniques. such as the use of blackmail. it pointedly has nothing to do with either beating or set time breastfeeding [20:37]
mircea_popescu the two women named, miller and the other one, are unrelated to any academic field and especially unimportant for child rearing or child psychology. [20:37]
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asciilifeform it isn't an article, it is cant, and this is detectable via five-second litmus of first paragraphs [20:38]
* asciilifeform doesn't typically bother to read these [20:38]
mircea_popescu but i am curious to see if this new trend will in some sort of timeframe bring us the black man invented cellphone of 2020 [20:38]
asciilifeform here already [20:38]
mircea_popescu etc. [20:38]
asciilifeform soviet elephants are the biggest in the world! [20:38]
mircea_popescu well can't be here already, not yet 2020 [20:38]
mircea_popescu in any case, sure, "buterin and hearn invented bitcoin in 2017" is just about the same deal. [20:39]
asciilifeform it'll be ethylin or somesuch [20:39]
asciilifeform propylin [20:39]
asciilifeform heptylin. [20:40]
mircea_popescu but hey, at least alexithymia [20:40]
mircea_popescu because if you say it in greek it ceases to be contemptibly stuopid. [20:41]
mircea_popescu The term "alexithymia" was coined by psychotherapist Peter Sifneos in 1973 [20:41]
mircea_popescu except you can't "coin" anything if nobody ever heard about you or cared to read your stuff. [20:41]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform back to the earlier issue. how do you reconcile your concept of "a file" with your concept of notation ? [20:45]
asciilifeform wai wat [20:45]
mircea_popescu seems utf-8 is requisite. [20:45]
mircea_popescu you can't have ascii. [20:45]
asciilifeform why ? [20:45]
asciilifeform can have what you want in the file [20:45]
mircea_popescu because what is the difference between "this file is noted in ascii" and "this file includes a hash" [20:45]
asciilifeform because don't care what's inside [20:46]
mircea_popescu but ascii implies oyu must care. [20:46]
asciilifeform if you care what's inside, now you have to cut it [20:46]
asciilifeform i can (and often do) sign a tar.gz [20:46]
asciilifeform or, on one occasion, 10MB of rng output [20:46]
asciilifeform (or how much was it.) [20:46]
mircea_popescu but these are numbers. [20:47]
asciilifeform aha [20:47]
asciilifeform let's work this out. [20:47]
asciilifeform if i want to embed hashes next to their payload, i get an explosion of complexity. because, [20:47]
mircea_popescu on what basis does ascii notation exist ? [20:47]
asciilifeform 1) now i have to remove the header before hashing the payload [20:48]
asciilifeform 2) have to represent the header differently if payload is meant to be displayable ascii, than if it is a binary [20:48]
asciilifeform (that is, unconstrained to printable chars) [20:48]
asciilifeform btw 'binaries' are not merely 'un-ascii' but include intrinsic unprintables (control chars) [20:48]
asciilifeform so it isn't an ascii vs utf fight [20:49]
mircea_popescu but on what basis does this particular alphabet exist. [20:49]
asciilifeform on the basis of the fella who build the vt100 [20:49]
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asciilifeform ask him, not me. [20:49]
asciilifeform some codes were reserved for line feed, dinging the bell (yes), etc. [20:49]
mircea_popescu right. [20:50]
asciilifeform cat /dev/random and see what you get. [20:51]
asciilifeform or some other source of binaryrubbish [20:51]
asciilifeform you will even notice that sometimes this results in a permanently b0rk3d terminal. [20:51]
kakobrekla happens when i tail the wrong thing. [20:52]
mircea_popescu right ? [20:52]
asciilifeform aha. [20:52]
mircea_popescu so then how do you resolve this ? [20:52]
asciilifeform by out of band sign. [20:52]
mircea_popescu mno. [20:52]
mircea_popescu the fact that your cat /dev/random breaks things is PROOF that you are already using something like "hash" in your file. [20:53]
asciilifeform or with magical fairy dust. [20:53]
asciilifeform wai wat [20:53]
punkman best thing you can do with text encodings is guess [20:53]
mircea_popescu there is necessarily no difference, at the conceptual level we're discussing, between "don't put hash in file" and "ascii doesn't exist" [20:53]
asciilifeform throwing garbage into a vt100-compatible terminal breaks things for reasons that are not mysterious at all. rtfm? [20:53]
mircea_popescu manuals don't matter. [20:54]
asciilifeform terminal has state. [20:54]
mircea_popescu i can write a manual for how to interact with my file with hashes in it [20:54]
asciilifeform and various oddities not really used in modern times. [20:54]
mircea_popescu "explosion of complexity", ie, the need for manuals. [20:54]
asciilifeform ok back to the example [20:54]
asciilifeform say we ask that a file carry hash in a header. [20:54]
asciilifeform IT CANNOT BE THE SAME FORMAT FOR bins and text [20:55]
mircea_popescu im not really interested in the practical example, but in the theoretical objection. [20:55]
asciilifeform because if we deal with the insides of any text, ever, we suddenly get line-endings and escapes and crapola [20:55]
asciilifeform this is the objection [20:55]
asciilifeform cannot be oblivious of payload [20:55]
asciilifeform cannot rehash just by cat file | sha512sum [20:55]
asciilifeform now have to put in a whole paragraph of sed, tr, and other potentially drepperized utils [20:56]
asciilifeform (i, for instance, know of two separate exploitable bugs in 'strings'.) [20:56]
mircea_popescu so you're not really defending a principle, you're just saying "we already have all the complexity for X idiocy, and not for Y idiocy, thus X i won't notice and Y i'll reject" [20:56]
asciilifeform no. [20:56]
mircea_popescu then speak to it. [20:56]
asciilifeform the present scheme has intrinsically fewer moving parts. [20:56]
asciilifeform and is more oblivious of contents. [20:57]
asciilifeform ergo superior. [20:57]
mircea_popescu but by that same principle, ascii is an unacceptable convention. [20:57]
asciilifeform whereas the alternative is only even contemplated because pgp is retarded. [20:57]
asciilifeform ascii is retarded. complain to the central committee, or who was it. [20:57]
asciilifeform ckkpss. [20:57]
mircea_popescu so you agree that actually ascii is dumb and has no place in computing ? [20:57]
asciilifeform sure is. [20:58]
mircea_popescu and utf-8, or whatever other unfixed width translation scheme, is the right approach ? [20:58]
asciilifeform it still won't display /dev/random [20:58]
asciilifeform meaningfully [20:58]
asciilifeform btw, in-band signalling is precisely why an animal like 'backspace' is a character [20:58]
asciilifeform or line-end [20:58]
asciilifeform etc [20:58]
asciilifeform iirc tcp as originally proposed had a second channel for virtual 'out of band' ! but was never used. [20:59]
asciilifeform by anyone. [20:59]
asciilifeform because 'eh why'd we need that!' [20:59]
mircea_popescu im starting to think there's really a lot more than meets my eye. [20:59]
asciilifeform there sure is [20:59]
mircea_popescu here* [20:59]
mircea_popescu but ascii is eminently A REDUCTION of complexity! [21:00]
mircea_popescu and tcp with 2nd chan did not catch on precisely because added complexity. [21:00]
asciilifeform or so it appeared. [21:00]
mircea_popescu it still does. to this very day. [21:00]
asciilifeform the question of 'which road to take to ultimately get fewer moving parts' is the mega-question in all engineering [21:00]
mircea_popescu they got python to work with it in six weeks over pizza, and they still don't have python that works with special chars [21:00]
mircea_popescu ten years of trying late.rt [21:01]
asciilifeform but ten years of who.. [21:01]
mircea_popescu supposedly some of the original crew at least for part of it [21:01]
asciilifeform aha. [21:04]
asciilifeform the folks who couldn't crack the wallnut in the first try. [21:04]
mircea_popescu deedbot- [21:04]
deedbot- accepted: 1 [21:04]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.BBET] [PAID] 1.88363783 BTC to 5`000`000 shares, 37 satoshi per share [21:04]
asciilifeform briefly back to that thread: the only way to have a channel where any possible bits are correctly drawable on a terminal, is to put the control codes (which move the cursor, or flip colours, or ring fucking bells, or release guillotine blade, or whatnot) on ~another~ channel. [21:05]
asciilifeform tertium non datur. [21:05]
asciilifeform naggum has umpteen threads where he fights with various folks over xml attributes [21:06]
asciilifeform which he regarded (having had the misfortune to play a part in creating!) as a similar kind of retardation [21:06]
asciilifeform separation of structure and content is hard (and questionably doable at all) [21:06]
mircea_popescu how did he end up playing a part ? [21:06]
mircea_popescu aha! [21:06]
asciilifeform he was on the sgml brigade. [21:07]
mircea_popescu that's what im leading to. how do you know it's possible. [21:07]
asciilifeform we... don't. [21:07]
asciilifeform and, as perpetuum mobile, all attempts at doing the fundamentally impossible are bound to end in tears [21:07]
asciilifeform of one kind or other. [21:07]
mircea_popescu so then why are we having this discussion. [21:07]
asciilifeform because, [21:08]
asciilifeform pointing out that unix will let us work with an arbitrary bitstring, [21:08]
asciilifeform but if you allow that it is to be ~ever~ a displayable string, [21:09]
asciilifeform you're in for a world of turd. [21:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 109.97017252 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 21 satoshi per share [21:09]
asciilifeform if it is permissible to say ~it is never displayable~, then you have an ordinary bin format, e.g., 'gzip' [21:09]
mircea_popescu deedbot- [21:10]
* asciilifeform bbl, eating [21:10]
deedbot- accepted: 1 [21:10]
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mircea_popescu dat mpoe graph [21:11]
BingoBoingo [21:12]
assbot Columbia man in Confederate flag fight gives his side; ‘Rebel runs’ hit Lancaster | Local News | ... ( ) [21:12]
BingoBoingo [21:14]
assbot Campus Rape Expert Who Misrepresented His Work Faces Powerful New Criticism - Hit & Run : ... ( ) [21:14]
mircea_popescu as if there exists anyone in the verbiage side of the us who doesn't, as a principal actiuvity, misrepresent their work. [21:14]
mircea_popescu all they do is talk about what they did. that supposedly isn't talking about what they did, so necessarily they gotta be misrepresentin'. [21:15]
BingoBoingo Fuck, I misrepresent Qntra to fellow USians as mowing lawns [21:15]
mircea_popescu lol [21:15]
mircea_popescu "acclaimed expert on the subject of campus sexual assault" [21:16]
mircea_popescu wait. what ?! [21:16]
mircea_popescu how is this a subject and who acclaimed when ? [21:16]
BingoBoingo He came up with the "all campus rapes are drink drugging serial offenders" theory [21:16]
mircea_popescu anyway, at issue in the "cultural revolution" camp is getting rid of the inconvenient theory that rape is rare and rapists few [21:17]
BingoBoingo And this article is a woman saying nope [21:17]
mircea_popescu they would like all men to be rapists and all interaction rape, at least "to some degree" [21:17]
BingoBoingo "microaggressions" [21:17]
mircea_popescu thus every man and every interaction requiring something like a permission slip from... well.. [21:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10050 @ 0.00072653 = 7.3016 BTC [-] [21:17]
mircea_popescu but i do appreciate the significant increase in discoursive vitriol. [21:18]
* BingoBoingo remembers owning a perhaps poor translation of the communist manifesto that suggested ho trains as a replacement for marriage. [21:18]
mircea_popescu "he is guilty, he reprsented his research as relevant!" [21:18]
mircea_popescu exactly what mary whatsername will be hanged from. [21:18]
BingoBoingo Pretty sure we are going to run out of trees [21:19]
mircea_popescu only need 15 tree-minutes per. [21:26]
BingoBoingo I thought we were going to skip the rope and hang them by the anal spincter until they bleed out or starve. I'll have to redo my forest evaluations and my Forrest evaluations. [21:28]
* BingoBoingo pretty sure this time it was ascii who recommended butt pikes for Hearnias including a recommendation for a particular species of pine [21:44]
BingoBoingo !s pine [21:45]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00073234 = 7.0671 BTC [+] {3} [21:45]
BingoBoingo Maybe I am just old and slipping [21:46]
BingoBoingo Re: Bob Beck and the MicroShaft revolving door: [21:47]
assbot Little Miss Take: Dating In Manila | Philippines Fail BlogPhilippines Fail Blog ... ( ) [21:47]
BingoBoingo "There were 2 puppies that often came to our home to sleep in the shade. I thought they were wild dogs. I gave them milk or water. Well about 1 week later one puppy was dead in front of our gate. We found out the dogs belonged to our next door neighbor. There were many kids laughing around the dead body so we asked the neighbor to remove the dog for us. She said in a while we are preparing dinner. Then a few days later we noticed [21:48]
BingoBoingo she ran over the other puppy in her driveway killing it too." [21:48]
BingoBoingo "They can’t look after themselves. These are extremely lazy freeloaders that have no concept of things or any initiative. They say it’s their culture but it’s simply a freeloading lazy exploitative narcissistic mentality, a kind prostitution and uncivilized behavior. " [21:49]
BingoBoingo I can tell you the worst in all of this they don’t consider me at all or what I want even though I’m paying, that’s the worst of it [21:51]
BingoBoingo ^When facing such a Bob Beck, best not to be the paying Theo [21:51]
hanbot << for the record i bungled this, built a (seemingly working nevertheless) frankenstein patch-quilt (dnsseed_snipsnip, thermonyukyoolar_kleansing, kills-integer-retardation, ver_now_5_4_endless_name_string, zap_hardcoded_seeds, showmyip_crud, if anyone's interested). [21:55]
assbot Logged on 11-08-2015 19:12:55; hanbot: shinohai: hanbot compiled pogo ? O.o << nein. have built stator "manually" as of last night, tho still need to verify runs as expected, after which will put together notes. have not pogo-ed, rotor trial to come. (ubuntu 10.04 32bit + mod6's gracious help) [21:55]
hanbot i had tabs of "patches to apply" open for two weeks in a mess of others, it got nice and fucked up meanwhile and i hadn't reverified before patching, hurrdurr. yest rebuilt with correct sequence (, looks good, notes tonight. [21:57]
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mircea_popescu i tell you, the expectation that people will do what you tell them is widely misplace. [22:17]
mircea_popescu most people aren't even equipped to comprehend what's being said. [22:17]
mircea_popescu "A month later I get a text asking me to invest in her business." right. [22:20]
punkman "Im dating a girl for over a year. During this period I pay for flights, hotels, food, clothing, gifts for family, medicine, doctors, taxis, coco juice…basically everything. 100s of thousands of pesos. During this time I wasn’t treated to a single drink, not even a glass of water. She’s obsessed with selfies and facebook." [22:21]
punkman so after declining 11 times, he fell for it? [22:21]
mircea_popescu "#10. I date a girl for 6 months. We get on fine. She texts me and asks for nearly 70000pesos for house deposit for her and her gay friend who are both house hunting. She says she and friend will pay it back to me the very next day. I decline. She tells me I’m dumped." [22:21]
mircea_popescu bwhahaah win. [22:21]
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mircea_popescu dude's a naive twerp. you put them to work. [22:22]
mircea_popescu who ever heard of this bs. [22:22]
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punkman even bigger chump [22:28]
assbot My Experience Dating A Filipina | Philippines Fail BlogPhilippines Fail Blog ... ( ) [22:28]
punkman "I’ve asked to her to not leave candy wrappers on the bed or food on the counter as I find hundreds of ants when she does but she does anyway." [22:28]
mircea_popescu date a filipino chick ; not make her clean up your house. wtf ?! [22:32]
mircea_popescu it's almost like dating a mexican and not making him do your gardening. [22:32]
mircea_popescu woman married to a pole with a leaky toilet. wtf people! [22:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.00073004 = 14.0898 BTC [-] [22:36]
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mircea_popescu good god this just goes on and on. heh. [22:40]
mircea_popescu ironically, the phillipines were a great place before being "progressed". so... expect it in maryland. [22:40]
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asciilifeform hanbot: << any particular reason for the omissions, or mistake ? [23:23]
assbot Logged on 16-08-2015 00:54:40; hanbot: << for the record i bungled this, built a (seemingly working nevertheless) frankenstein patch-quilt (dnsseed_snipsnip, thermonyukyoolar_kleansing, kills-integer-retardation, ver_now_5_4_endless_name_string, zap_hardcoded_seeds, showmyip_crud, if anyone's interested). [23:23]
asciilifeform << to paraphrase william gibson re: 'future' - it is ~already~ in maryland, 'just not evenly distributed' [23:23]
assbot Logged on 16-08-2015 01:39:37; mircea_popescu: ironically, the phillipines were a great place before being "progressed". so... expect it in maryland. [23:23]
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mircea_popescu << lol at some dude. is this a new alt of an old scammer or wut. [23:24]
assbot A Guide To Buying 5000 Ether/Bitcoin, 2.5x More Than Ethereum’s Genesis Sale Offers | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( ) [23:24]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28050 @ 0.00073003 = 20.4773 BTC [-] {5} [23:24]
hanbot asciilifeform bad hygiene on my part. by the time i'd gotten the release to build my tabs "saved for later when patching" were a mess, and i didn't re-check. [23:26]
asciilifeform ah [23:26]
asciilifeform can use 'orchestra' if you're satisfied with mod6's verification thereof, or care to conduct own [23:27]
asciilifeform it has all mainline patches released to date. [23:27]
asciilifeform (in the case of rel1, literally; in the case of rel2-pre - all that have been proposed for that release) [23:27]
asciilifeform in other nyooz, [23:28]
asciilifeform incitatus is back. [23:28]
asciilifeform (in the unlikely event anyone missed it!) [23:28]
asciilifeform zoolag [23:30]
asciilifeform damn it [23:30]
asciilifeform zoolag is back. [23:30]
asciilifeform incitatus, old piece of shit, was not the subject of this story. [23:30]
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hanbot can use 'orchestra' if you're satisfied with mod6's verification thereof, or care to conduct own << likely will try it out, yeah. [23:36]
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asciilifeform << i nominate for prize, 'worst translation on the planet' [23:52]
assbot ... ( ) [23:52]
phf hehe [23:55]
phf vkontakte-friendly translation methodology [23:56]
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