Forum logs for 12 Apr 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: my first gig out of school was at an abominable usg-contracting salt mine where little gurlz straight out of mit, for that fact alone, were promoted, repeatedly, over everyone else's head	[00:00]
asciilifeform	revoltingly studious think-in-the box bitches, just as you might imagine	[00:01]
*	ben_vulpes can readily see it	[00:01]
ben_vulpes	i studied with many of the like. getting them to think outside of the box was not worth the time as there was no prerequisite dicksucking going along with it.	[00:02]
asciilifeform	it was even more of a circus:	[00:02]
asciilifeform	as you may know, i live nowhere near mit. there were two offices. one, in cambridge, contained these masturbators, where they played with (largely nonfunctional) robots all day. whereas ours did the - predominantly deadly boring - work which actually paid the bills.	[00:03]
asciilifeform	but enough of salt mines. i mention it because it was my first wake-up call that something happened to the mythical 'mecca' which i respected for 'having produced lisp machine and sicp'	[00:04]
asciilifeform	before this, i only knew of mit at all from books.	[00:04]
asciilifeform	it was a quasi-mythological animal in my mind, like library of alexandria	[00:05]
asciilifeform	*not sole player in recycled food	[00:06]
decimation	asciilifeform: example of such an mit gurl > http://fab.cba.mit.edu/classes/MIT/863.08/people/nadya/	[00:06]
assbot	how to make almost anything ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBj5Ot )	[00:06]
asciilifeform	decimation: no shortage of these	[00:07]
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decimation	she apparently spends her time coming up with python code to control motors	[00:07]
decimation	as a 'graduate student'	[00:07]
asciilifeform	decimation: have you -met- a modern graduate student ?	[00:07]
asciilifeform	if the code is not plagiarized wholesale, this puts her above 99% of'em.	[00:08]
decimation	heh good point	[00:08]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: the most that'll happen is that you'll get patches regendering the codebase. mircea_popescu: and if you don't put them in, hell, you'll sit and wodner why is it eliezer potterboy "gets funding" << a large part of the purpose of current mit is to produce the folks who will produce these patches.	[00:11]
asciilifeform	they are not, as someone might suppose, dead weight;	[00:11]
asciilifeform	rather, they are politruks.	[00:11]
asciilifeform	and there is to be one in every office, lab, bus, train, - elevator.	[00:12]
asciilifeform	never out of earshot of a Party member.	[00:12]
felipelalli	mircea_popescu: I love this article: http://trilema.com/2014/guidance-there-is-no-such-thing-as-bitcoin-taint/ do you keep this opinion?	[00:12]
assbot	Guidance : There Is No Such Thing As Bitcoin Taint. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ca77d8 )	[00:12]
asciilifeform	;;isup trilema.com	[00:13]
gribble	trilema.com is down	[00:13]
felipelalli	it's not just you! http://trilema.com looks down from here.	[00:13]
assbot	Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1A8nPcr )	[00:13]
asciilifeform	felipelalli: it was unplugged (see mircea_popescu's explanation last night) and evidently not yet rehosted.	[00:14]
felipelalli	asciilifeform: thanks.	[00:16]
felipelalli	!gettrust asciilifeform	[00:16]
assbot	Trust relationship from user felipelalli to user asciilifeform: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 7 via 6 connections. \| http://w.b-a.link/trust/felipelalli/asciilifeform \| http://w.b-a.link/user/asciilifeform	[00:16]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: and aspires to a job to be obtained through an interview with hr. << i have never once found work through an 'hr'. this is not uncommon among my meatwot. (not a magical feat by any means at any rate.)	[00:17]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what are your current thoughts on initial nodes for RI's running on the pogo? << the initial nodes must be us.	[00:19]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: can't speak for others, but i refuse to consider the leaking turd usable in any sense whatsoever.	[00:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 160000 @ 0.00029166 = 46.6656 BTC [-] {2}	[00:22]
asciilifeform	gabriel_laddel: https://github.com/gabriel-laddel/masamune/blob/master/browser/conkeror.lisp << why?!>!!?	[00:23]
assbot	masamune/conkeror.lisp at master · gabriel-laddel/masamune · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBkHrs )	[00:23]
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mircea_popescu	Is the source for the WoT available? << if you mean, how to interact with assbot ? it's in wiki.	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	!h	[00:25]
assbot	http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2015#1097925 << not that bad if you're black, tho.	[00:27]
assbot	Logged on 12-04-2015 02:29:20; asciilifeform: but i presently believe that it is the -duty- of any literate man of science today to despise mit and everything it now stands for, just as, e.g., an honest historian or anthropologist must despise harvard.	[00:27]
decimation	ben_vulpes: looks like they rolled ERC into the new emacs (24.5)	[00:28]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-10-2014#853306 ?	[00:28]
assbot	Logged on 01-10-2014 11:58:20; mircea_popescu: if i were black in the us i would be fucking worried for my children. being ~10% of the population and >50% of the public discourse is how the hasidim suddenly disappeared from history.	[00:28]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2015#1097931 << one of the brightest minds in an XX body i ever met had finished her thesis under romania's most inept "logician", cca 1988. the woman was not significantly harmed by a half decade's internship with that bootmaker in disguise.	[00:29]
assbot	Logged on 12-04-2015 02:31:41; asciilifeform: what kind of respect does either 'top student' deserve ?	[00:29]
mircea_popescu	the thing is, romania at the time had a very specific atmosphere, one that protected such people in such situaitons like al oxides protect the al.	[00:29]
asciilifeform	happens!	[00:29]
asciilifeform	i, for instance, happen to believe that soviet mathematics will not be equalled for the next 500 years.	[00:30]
asciilifeform	(yes, pulled number from my prophetic sphincter.)	[00:30]
asciilifeform	and it worked on precisely this 'oxide' principle.	[00:30]
mircea_popescu	which is why despising mit as a group is so important : people who despise their inept professors may survive them even when forced by events to work there.	[00:30]
*	asciilifeform can only with great difficulty picture anyone 'forced' to partake of mit, but allows for the sake of argument.	[00:31]
mircea_popescu	similarly, but in the other direction, abject slaves that nevertheless unwholesomely despise their superior masters remain abject irrespective of time spent in slavery thereof.	[00:31]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform so don't have children. problem solved.	[00:31]
*	asciilifeform thinks it will be a hilarious cosmic joke if the sharashka he is worked to death in happens to be built at mit.	[00:32]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: which problem	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	seems only fare. i mean fire. i mean pharoh.	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	fair, whatever.	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	the children problem. ten lines up.	[00:32]
asciilifeform	aha that one.	[00:33]
asciilifeform	i would observe that everyone presently in good favour of usg by virtue of their 'passport data' - skin, gonads, etc. - runs the risk of ending up weimar-jewed	[00:34]
asciilifeform	if events take a sudden turn.	[00:34]
mircea_popescu	ironically, the jewish situation... oh gawd. at the time of the holocaust, the hasidim were arguably the most advanced troop in the world. certainly > 90% of jewry by cultural and intellectual weight, if 50% or so by mass. for all the squalor of the old manhattan, which is what eastern europe was, the place rocked.	[00:34]
mircea_popescu	then the nazis wiped them, modern jewry is in this situation where someone cut the flower, kept the stalk in a vase.	[00:34]
mircea_popescu	not only very very sad as it decays... but also mindboggling.	[00:35]
asciilifeform	is the last yidish newspaper in brooklyn out of print yet?	[00:35]
mircea_popescu	either a decade ago or a decade hence, but yeah.	[00:35]
*	asciilifeform was last there in '01, shortly pre-bigboom, and it was in business	[00:35]
asciilifeform	mainly shipped to old folks' homes though	[00:36]
mircea_popescu	yeah, but in 2001 you could not find a better newspaper in new york.	[00:36]
mircea_popescu	and that was 2001. long, long before the greenwaldization, long long before the pr-intern and dumb-blonde-chick-from-minessota that eventually yielded its own bastardized meta-story eventually apotheosized in that horseface dumbass...	[00:37]
mircea_popescu	pretty decayed, yes, but nowhere near today's.	[00:37]
asciilifeform	the seeds of all of it were not only in the ground, but long sprouted and budding leaves.	[00:38]
mircea_popescu	sure, no argument. nevertheless, there was still ground.	[00:38]
asciilifeform	al schwartz observed the signs in '94 up	[00:38]
mircea_popescu	and on that ground that there was, nyt could not compete.	[00:38]
mircea_popescu	funny that newspapers survived mad koontz but did not survive vint cerf.	[00:39]
mircea_popescu	btw, was http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-31450389 here ? i forget.	[00:39]
assbot	Google's Vint Cerf warns of 'digital Dark Age' - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1DV78o6 )	[00:40]
asciilifeform	iirc	[00:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116387 @ 0.00028979 = 33.7278 BTC [-] {2}	[00:40]
asciilifeform	insulting to the intelligence of anyone who watched google usenet archive decay	[00:41]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2015#1097935 << it's a draft, eh.	[00:41]
assbot	Logged on 12-04-2015 02:36:29; asciilifeform: to envision a 'wave of the future' that includes c and unix - entirely other.	[00:41]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform what, you think usenet was salvageable ?!	[00:41]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: hybrid of oxcart and airplane, where we progressively remove pieces of the ox yoke - uninteresting to me.	[00:41]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: salvageable in the preserve-in-ice sense	[00:41]
mircea_popescu	ok, one at a time.	[00:42]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i am at this point convinced that google killed it deliberately.	[00:42]
whaack	to end the discussion of mit O, "MIT Technology Review" http://www.technologyreview.com/view/524666/bitcoin-lacks-the-properties-of-a-real-currency/	[00:42]
assbot	Bitcoin Lacks the Properties of a Real Currency \| MIT Technology Review ... ( http://bit.ly/1DV7kDG )	[00:42]
mircea_popescu	the guy's draft : nothing has been construted. let him draw.	[00:42]
asciilifeform	the folks who were making fools of themselves on usenet now want to be usg brass	[00:42]
asciilifeform	so it was time to desaparecer the spew.	[00:42]
mircea_popescu	the usenet : you can not "preserve in ice". this requires two naive presupositions : one that the text is self contained, the other that the text is fixed. neither is true.	[00:42]
mircea_popescu	much like any living organism, the text can only be interpreted in its environment (here - the people who wrote it), and only as a functional, living thing.	[00:43]
mircea_popescu	otherwise...	[00:43]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: fact is, there was a pretty useful and fairly complete snapshot in the ice. and now i look in the cryostat and find rotting gibblets and alive with flies.	[00:43]
asciilifeform	there were no flies before.	[00:43]
mircea_popescu	this is true of the lenin mausoleum as well.	[00:43]
asciilifeform	and -considerably- more flesh	[00:43]
mircea_popescu	it is a property of the ice.	[00:43]
asciilifeform	and the process was -not- continuous, as in lenin's case.	[00:43]
mircea_popescu	the perceptible part was not.	[00:44]
asciilifeform	the thing stopped being searchable roughly two years ago.	[00:44]
mircea_popescu	again - the supposition that the entire text is given in itself is naive.	[00:44]
mircea_popescu	just as much a part of it is invisible, and that invisibly decayed.	[00:44]
asciilifeform	i have copies of several groups day-by-day of own making.	[00:44]
asciilifeform	google's snapshot was 99+%, for them.	[00:44]
mircea_popescu	they only exist because you saved the unsaveable as well,	[00:44]
mircea_popescu	if unintentionally.	[00:44]
asciilifeform	unsaveable lol	[00:44]
mircea_popescu	myeah.	[00:45]
mircea_popescu	think in variety speak terms. for it's what it is.	[00:45]
asciilifeform	if what mircea_popescu is alluding to is that the design of usenet allowed for the possibility of 'parallel universes' where folks carry on a conversation that never reached my server - then yes.	[00:45]
asciilifeform	it is true.	[00:45]
mircea_popescu	not in the slightest.	[00:45]
mircea_popescu	what i am saying is that preconceived notions must be shared, for the text to be readable. these preconceptions melted.	[00:46]
asciilifeform	'xxxx is not yet dead, while we still live' (TM)	[00:46]
mircea_popescu	careful with that "we".	[00:46]
mircea_popescu	it does not mean what it appears to mean.	[00:46]
asciilifeform	well, just me.	[00:46]
mircea_popescu	well, so there you have it.	[00:46]
mircea_popescu	everyone that can read it may keep a copy, and no one else.	[00:46]
mircea_popescu	however they may try.	[00:47]
mircea_popescu	and by "can read it" i mean, of course, "could have written it"	[00:47]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: let's suppose. then, when precisely did the flame go out ?	[00:47]
mircea_popescu	probably dotcom bust rattled enough of the people that they wanted to forget.	[00:48]
asciilifeform	i mean, i grasp that mircea_popescu is referring to cultural death.	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	it may be that they wanted to forget for the reason you suspect, but i do not think so.	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	rarely do people wish to forget for a purpose. it's almost always for a cause	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	and that cause almost always is, "i can not believe how stupid i've been"	[00:48]
asciilifeform	the 'digital vellum' think is maddening precisely because of the idiot scholasticism implied	[00:49]
mircea_popescu	myeah.	[00:49]
mircea_popescu	he's going to freeze the text AND THE OS dontcha know.	[00:49]
asciilifeform	sorta like the monks who copied geometric tracts without any comprehension at all, or any regard for the actual content	[00:49]
asciilifeform	but only the pretty pictures, perverted to taste	[00:49]
mircea_popescu	tyvm. meanwhile, i can't fucking remember where the tread on X is. so what do i do ? i ask here. and someone remembers and links.	[00:49]
mircea_popescu	freeze that.	[00:49]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 180400 @ 0.00028431 = 51.2895 BTC [-] {3}	[00:49]
asciilifeform	http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-32270655	[00:50]
assbot	Capitol Hill locked down as gunman shoots himself - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBn6Cu )	[00:51]
asciilifeform	mega-l0l	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	the problem with ascii being like naughty bits is merely a reflection of the much larger problem : everything about a text is like that. by itself.	[00:51]
asciilifeform	i walked right by, saw no more than the usual amount of stormtroopers.	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	introducing the gossipd style of comms changes nothing at all, merely makes this divide palpable, like that famous japanese butcher's following of the lines already there.	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	otherwise, the same string from different hands is different, irreducibly.	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	links right into why one can't have "ideas" and all that.	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	incidentally, why do they not say "gunmanorwoman" ?	[00:52]
asciilifeform	l0l guess.	[00:53]
mircea_popescu	"Confirmed: self-inflicted gunshot by neutralized subject," Capital Police spokeswoman Kimberly Schneider said in a statement.	[00:53]
mircea_popescu	uh...	[00:53]
mircea_popescu	this language...	[00:53]
asciilifeform	my mental image was inevitably a hog-tied fella, extracting a little pistol from his arse houdini-style, to end it all and avoid the torture chambers.	[00:54]
mircea_popescu	i thought houdini couldn't get it up.	[00:54]
*	asciilifeform not familiar with this detail.	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2015#1097958 << arbalest.	[00:56]
assbot	Logged on 12-04-2015 02:47:09; asciilifeform: how to take out sentry in any way that doesn't count as 'hand' ?	[00:56]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: or these well-known items, http://world.guns.ru/ammunition/russian-special-cartridges-r.html	[00:57]
assbot	Современное стрелковое оружие мира - Специальные Российские патроны ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBnHEg )	[00:57]
asciilifeform	^ produced even today.	[00:57]
mircea_popescu	for the obvious reason. bette than a knife	[00:57]
mircea_popescu	in fact, most sentires do not even realise they've been shot at if you miss before you reload.	[00:58]
asciilifeform	subsonic, aha.	[00:58]
mircea_popescu	and anyone (tm) should be able to sever a cervical spine at twenty paces.	[00:59]
asciilifeform	http://www.megasword.ru/index.php?pg=815 << original, afaik, example of the principle.	[00:59]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1DV8Cij )	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2015#1097977 << stanford is the patriotic one.	[01:01]
assbot	Logged on 12-04-2015 02:52:11; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i've not your experience nor your eloquence on the topic of MIT, but I do know they waste oodles of money via usg 'science', supply the meatrobots responsible for breaking everything, and glorify the breaking of everything under the auspices of 'patriotism'.	[01:01]
asciilifeform	in gurevich's system, there was no iron piston, as in the later 'СП'. instead, there was a small quantity of... water.	[01:01]
mircea_popescu	mit is the "for the economy" one.	[01:01]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: actually mit subdivision 'lincoln labs' - and several smaller orgs - serve top tier .mil and intelligence contractors.	[01:02]
mircea_popescu	also for the economy.	[01:02]
asciilifeform	what then happens in the 'patriotic' zoo ?	[01:02]
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mircea_popescu	mmm... obama.	[01:02]
mircea_popescu	see, they're all selling the same snake oil, but! harvard is "for humanity', stanford is "patriotism", mit is "for the economy", the chicks one whatever it's called is "for the arts" etc.	[01:03]
mircea_popescu	and speaking of the muppet in chief : anyone ever recall that embarassment when he was calling himself a "professor of constitution" while having been a lecturer, so eventually chicago came out with "he was REGARDED as a professor" ?	[01:07]
mircea_popescu	uniquely kim-il-nigger moment.	[01:07]
asciilifeform	9 of 10 street schmucks will say he was professor.	[01:07]
asciilifeform	because 'grey lady' said.	[01:08]
asciilifeform	and this kind of thing is not retractable.	[01:08]
mircea_popescu	yes, sure. fuck them, who cares what the cattle "thinks".	[01:08]
mircea_popescu	but the point is... lemme find it.	[01:08]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.law.uchicago.edu/media	[01:08]
assbot	Media Inquiries \| University of Chicago Law School ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBoKUI )	[01:09]
mircea_popescu	"From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School. He was a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track. The title of Senior Lecturer is d	[01:09]
mircea_popescu	istinct from the title of Lecturer, which signifies adjunct status. Like Obama, each of the Law School's Senior Lecturers has high-demand careers in politics or public service, which prevent full-time teaching. Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, Obama was invited to join the faculty in a full-time tenure-track position, but he declined."	[01:09]
asciilifeform	mr mold found (and then retracted, somehow) some fairly convincing evidence that mr o never actually attended classes, as student	[01:09]
asciilifeform	no one cares.	[01:09]
mircea_popescu	see... that random schmuck doesn't know which side his nose is blown is one thing.	[01:09]
mircea_popescu	when the necks are [self]squeezed to the point a supposed "law school" publishes that tripe it is ANOTHER thing.	[01:09]
mircea_popescu	i prefer to refer to that other thing as kim-il-nigger. seems adequate.	[01:09]
mircea_popescu	"he is what he might have been had he been it". how about that ? insanity rampant.	[01:10]
asciilifeform	aha. the question of whether elena actually thought that being a chemist is being what she was, and mr o - professor of law, i will leave to the shrinks	[01:10]
mircea_popescu	i suspect the old woman was the sane of the two.	[01:11]
asciilifeform	(al schwartz, incidentally, was quite fascinated with elena c. and her 'chemistry' in much the same way i am)	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	i can't imagine why ?	[01:11]
asciilifeform	i imagine he found it uniquely galling	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	i suppose neither of you ever kept whores ?	[01:11]
asciilifeform	no idea what he kept	[01:11]
asciilifeform	i've none	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	it's a very simple thing : whores are, in point of fact, for the fact of having been whores, superior to "mere women", ie, the usual vanilla nitwit. this is a fact, incontrovertible as the fact that the sun is glowier than the moon.	[01:12]
mircea_popescu	however, the nitwits are a) abundant and b) firmly convinced of the contrary.	[01:12]
mircea_popescu	thus whore always finds herself in the position where the cheapest avenue is to ask master for a hammer to shut the dumbasses up.	[01:12]
mircea_popescu	she always receives.	[01:12]
mircea_popescu	as she always should.	[01:13]
mircea_popescu	elena is in no way different from evita, on this score.	[01:13]
*	asciilifeform wonders if 'whore' means the customary thing, to mircea_popescu, or if it is a mistranslation of something	[01:13]
mircea_popescu	whore is a woman who has sex like a man.	[01:13]
asciilifeform	i am told that there are men who have sex for pay	[01:13]
asciilifeform	but never met alive.	[01:14]
mircea_popescu	eh, that's a corner case. most men don't need to be paid to fuck.	[01:14]
mircea_popescu	heck, you can just throw some printed sheets out of a car going "gangbang at X address" and you'll get a queue	[01:14]
mircea_popescu	or at least could a while back. mebbe world's changed, who knows.	[01:14]
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mircea_popescu	anyway, it is at best naive to imagine whore is whore "because the money". not so. whore does not give a shit, at which point might as well be paid. because - queue. has to be sorted somehow.	[01:15]
asciilifeform	so, much as 'software' to naggum et al means something quite other than what it means to the schmuck who goes to the 'computer shop' to buy antivirus etc.;	[01:16]
asciilifeform	'whore' means very other thing to mircea_popescu than to the folks back on planet 3	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	what'd be the difference ?	[01:16]
asciilifeform	when i land on mars i would like to meet these !	[01:16]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: where i live, at least to the 'street computer shop' level of apprehension, a whore is an abject and usually physically revolting creature who fellates what may well be gorillas for a hit of 'crack'	[01:17]
mircea_popescu	well... that'd be a crack whore.	[01:17]
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decimation	re: obaama < he has an actual history, some one knows it	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	yeah, i suppose if by "programmer" you meant "web programmer"...	[01:18]
asciilifeform	the other whore, is a college gurl who occasionally 'dates' old man in exchange for tuition money.	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	that's usually the amateur.	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	in this sense, i'm a coder because i ocasionally edit html o.O	[01:18]
asciilifeform	everything else re: whores may as well be at nsa in the vaults, as far as my incomplete education is concerned.	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	and you will notice that even as an amateur - she ALSO charges for queing, ie, after the fact.	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	she fucks old men because she fucks old men.	[01:18]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: the normal rationale is 'we rob banks because that's where the money is'	[01:19]
mircea_popescu	once she does that, might as well pick a good one.	[01:19]
asciilifeform	when she runs into young man with money - goes there.	[01:19]
mircea_popescu	not so.	[01:19]
mircea_popescu	generally can not stand young man, irrespective of money.	[01:19]
asciilifeform	'young' being 10 yrs. her senior, rather than 35.	[01:19]
mircea_popescu	"fucking idiots - the lot of them". exact quote. heard xn	[01:19]
mircea_popescu	ah. no young being her age. anyway.	[01:20]
asciilifeform	^ this - yes.	[01:20]
asciilifeform	even i knew this.	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	one thing i don't think anyone can blame the whorish co-ed for, not getting involved with the bros.	[01:20]
decimation	bill ayers knows but is not talking	[01:20]
asciilifeform	decimation: i saw ayers alive once - public talk. it was quite an experience.	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	or with the - horror of horrors - sensitive, lonely, loving geek.	[01:21]
asciilifeform	or with goats, sheep	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	"Calling Bill Ayers a school reformer is a bit like calling Joseph Stalin an agricultural reformer." << that ayers ?	[01:22]
asciilifeform	that one.	[01:22]
mircea_popescu	you know he was at ows ?	[01:22]
decimation	aye	[01:22]
asciilifeform	he was in quite a few places.	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	most nobody knew who he was. so fucking funny this shit, whenever something happened, the us "public intellectual" has to show up	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	it's funnier (to me) than the old soviet confusion.	[01:23]
decimation	he supposedly wrote obamas book	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	the one on polymers ?	[01:23]
*	asciilifeform always feels temptation to snip a letter, 'pubic intellectual'	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	wait, wrong whore.	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	what was it on ?	[01:23]
asciilifeform	l0l	[01:23]
decimation	'dreams of my father'	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	obama didn't know his father ?	[01:24]
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asciilifeform	overwhelming evidence that he did not.	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	color me a shade of surprised.	[01:25]
mircea_popescu	hm... i guess in the context "color me" is a faux pas ?	[01:25]
asciilifeform	http://one-evil.org/content/symbols_gold.html << entirely unrelated but mega-l0l for connoisseurs of crackpottery (psychoceramics!)	[01:29]
assbot	One Evil: Gold ... ( http://bit.ly/1EoYbSz )	[01:29]
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decimation	as I recall moldbug once linked to some pretty convincing evidence re:ayers wrote obama's autobiography	[01:32]
asciilifeform	decimation: aha. shortly after this i wondered wtf even to care.	[01:33]
decimation	"In To Teach, Ayers recounts the story of an ambitious teacher who takes her students out to the streets of New York to learn about its culture and history. These students ask to see the nearby Hudson River. When they get to the river's edge, one student says, " Look, the river is flowing up." A second student says, "No, it has to flow south-down." Upon further research, the teacher discovers "that the Hudson River is a tidal river,	[01:34]
decimation	that it flows both north and south, and they had visited the exact spot where the tide stops its northward push." "	[01:34]
decimation	"In Dreams, written two years later, Obama takes an unlikely detour to the exact spot on the parallel East River where the north-flowing tide meets the south-flowing river. There, improbably, a young black boy approaches this strange man and asks, "You know why sometimes the river runs that way and then sometimes it goes this way?" Obama tells the boy it "had to do with the tides." "	[01:34]
decimation	http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2009/05/who_wrote_dreams_and_why_it_ma_1.html	[01:34]
assbot	Articles: Who Wrote Dreams and Why It Matters ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBryBb )	[01:34]
asciilifeform	when the idea of ghostwriting is even thinkable, we know we're dealing with a class of muppets.	[01:35]
asciilifeform	which muppet wrote what - is approximately as interesting, imho, as which nigerian spammer penned which particular spam template.	[01:35]
decimation	asciilifeform: it seems the idea of 'not ghostwriting' is unthinkable with modern political types	[01:35]
asciilifeform	these people do not even -have- identities	[01:36]
decimation	I find it fascinating that a human can be invented from whole cloth, and then inserted into the political ladder	[01:36]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform imagine reading a book ghostwritten for me.	[01:37]
asciilifeform	l0l	[01:37]
mircea_popescu	"wrote for mp by xxx"	[01:37]
mircea_popescu	i think i'd read it lol.	[01:37]
asciilifeform	decimation: pelevin had an sf story about a team of folks who create politicians, 'public intellectuals', 'most wanted terrorists', etc. from whole cloth for mankind.	[01:37]
asciilifeform	complete with 3d films	[01:38]
mircea_popescu	the latter is the fbi neh	[01:38]
asciilifeform	it was turned into a very passable film, 'generation p'	[01:38]
asciilifeform	('поколение п')	[01:38]
asciilifeform	mega-recommended, lulzy.	[01:38]
asciilifeform	there is a set of english subs floating about.	[01:38]
asciilifeform	i do not think there is a better film version of the ru 1990s that 'p'.	[01:39]
asciilifeform	*than	[01:39]
decimation	asciilifeform: did you ever watch 'the president's analyst''?	[01:40]
asciilifeform	nope	[01:40]
asciilifeform	but it is on list	[01:40]
asciilifeform	i recall it was mentioned.	[01:40]
decimation	it's amusing as well	[01:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100550 @ 0.00029818 = 29.982 BTC [+]	[01:43]
asciilifeform	also unrelated, the ESP8266 mentioned last night is a very interesting item.	[01:45]
asciilifeform	$1 or so in quantity.	[01:45]
mircea_popescu	it is isn't it	[01:46]
asciilifeform	~50MHz 32-bit (oddball architecture) cpu, tcp/ip implemented in hardware, can address via spi (as in sd card) external eeprom.	[01:46]
asciilifeform	if i had any reason to believe that these did not have magic-packet anal hole circuits, i'd be buying by the kilogram.	[01:46]
mircea_popescu	so fuzz them!	[01:47]
mircea_popescu	all scripted, yeah ?	[01:47]
mircea_popescu	i recall someone telling me...	[01:47]
asciilifeform	'testing can prove existence but not absence...'	[01:47]
mircea_popescu	lol	[01:47]
mircea_popescu	i9t's still not a bad thing to drop a paycheck into.	[01:48]
asciilifeform	very much leads into the ancient dream of 'p2p relay you can superglue to undersides of parked cars and other vandalisms'	[01:49]
asciilifeform	- run on thermal gradient	[01:49]
mircea_popescu	yup.	[01:49]
asciilifeform	for open air applications - solar+supercap	[01:49]
mircea_popescu	it WOULD run on the gradient of exhaust	[01:49]
asciilifeform	etc.	[01:49]
asciilifeform	certainly would	[01:50]
mircea_popescu	because 70mW and fast wake	[01:50]
asciilifeform	when vehicle is parked, on gradient b/w ground and cooling engine.	[01:50]
mircea_popescu	moreover, put a cap in it anyway.	[01:50]
asciilifeform	(the wild cats in my neighbourhood run on this energy)	[01:50]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[01:50]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform incidentally : best way to find out of magic packeted or not - actually deploy it as p2p relay as described. once wash dc is full of them you'll find out alright.	[01:51]
asciilifeform	futher in the 'vandal' theme, i will point out that it is not difficult to build a very cheap apparatus for climbing up walls with a few dozen grams' payload, quickly.	[01:51]
asciilifeform	climb up, then break tube of cyanoacrylate glue.	[01:52]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i can more easily imagine a 'jobs program' where monkeys with triangulolocators climb walls and scrape by hand.	[01:52]
decimation	asciilifeform: one trouble is that open wifi is not easy to find these days	[01:52]
asciilifeform	i will also add that we have an even odder curiosity here. an ancient, possibly first-of-its-kind wireless net called 'ricochet'	[01:53]
asciilifeform	consists of small gadgets attached to light poles	[01:53]
asciilifeform	the firm went thoroughly broke, through - iirc - embezzlement - long, long ago	[01:53]
asciilifeform	in late '90s	[01:53]
asciilifeform	but the boxes still work!	[01:53]
decimation	asciilifeform: I've seen something similar to old 'ricochet' network: wireless meter reading nodes	[01:53]
asciilifeform	there are a dozen just within range of where i sit now	[01:53]
asciilifeform	they answer pings	[01:53]
asciilifeform	decimation: where i live meters have gsm modems.	[01:53]
decimation	asciilifeform: that's one form, but some use 'mesh networking'	[01:54]
asciilifeform	https://ccrma.stanford.edu/~anrew/250b/ricochet.jpg << ricochet modem	[01:55]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1JBtTfx )	[01:55]
asciilifeform	http://farm9.static.flickr.com/8053/8446817062_dfc4392577_o.png << the repeaters.	[01:56]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1JBu1M8 )	[01:56]
decimation	asciilifeform: what would be useful wrt this ESP8266 would be if one could modify the waveforms it used	[01:56]
asciilifeform	the backhaul nodes which connected these things to the ordinary net, naturally died years and years ago.	[01:56]
asciilifeform	decimation: aha. as it is, it is very much pegged into the traditional 2.4G band.	[01:56]
asciilifeform	http://www.wherry.com/gadgets/ricochet << historical.	[01:57]
decimation	it would be amusing to toy with 'ricochet'	[01:57]
*	asciilifeform was, for a while anyway, the owner of a ricochet repeater which 'fell off a pole'	[01:57]
asciilifeform	it had a xilinx spartan 1st ed. fpga inside. and was built like a tank.	[01:58]
asciilifeform	you could easily drop it from airplane and would survive.	[01:58]
asciilifeform	virtually all of the boxes in my city - still work.	[01:58]
asciilifeform	and, interestingly, no one hurries to remove them.	[01:59]
asciilifeform	(for one thing, it is unclear who, precisely owns them, and the contract for their emplacement - iirc - was perpetual, somehow)	[02:00]
decimation	I wonder if some entity gobbled up those 'assets' and is preventing their removal	[02:00]
asciilifeform	-someone- knows.	[02:00]
asciilifeform	just like -someone- knows who owns that house down the street from where i sit	[02:00]
decimation	asciilifeform: can't you look it up in public records?	[02:01]
asciilifeform	but not the city, not the (long-gone) last inhabitant, nor.,,,	[02:01]
asciilifeform	decimation: apparently not. special sticker of 'no one knows who owns'	[02:01]
asciilifeform	though the last time i walked by, sticker was - gone	[02:01]
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asciilifeform	evidently the crown made a gift, to someone.	[02:01]
asciilifeform	of this broken-title 'ownership' of pirate treasure.	[02:02]
asciilifeform	phun phact: ricochet was non-exportable on account of fairly respectable crypto.	[02:04]
asciilifeform	and considerably cheaper than virtually all other net access available at the time.	[02:04]
asciilifeform	so it of course had to die 'because reasons.'	[02:04]
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decimation	as I recall, it was 'first to market' - well before mobile phone data plans were reasonably available (for non-bezzle price)	[02:06]
mircea_popescu	incidentally, speaking of the little toy : i wouldn't mind putting a few coins behind a project dedicating to actually creating an array of p2p relays operated "alegally" in the manner described (glued to peoplke's cars without their knowledge).	[02:08]
mircea_popescu	if anyone wishes to undertake it...	[02:08]
mircea_popescu	ima put it on trilema too, once it's back up.	[02:08]
mircea_popescu	this is phase 1. phase 2 is when we target all the cars ever seen parked by a nsa building. give meta-nsa something to fret about.	[02:08]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i have a largely complete design for this and 5 other similar items, will confess.	[02:08]
asciilifeform	for some time.	[02:08]
asciilifeform	mega-issue with all publicly-accessible p2p (and inescapably low-capacity) nets is ddos.	[02:09]
mircea_popescu	let them ddos.	[02:09]
mircea_popescu	and feel free to publish your design on the unfairly neglected blog eh ?	[02:09]
asciilifeform	not even by bureaucrats, but by the first fool who loads 'youtube'	[02:09]
mircea_popescu	thermal power unit, + cap ?	[02:10]
mircea_popescu	it does not HAVE TO work with http.	[02:10]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: first concept was solar, cap, and wall climber / glue.	[02:10]
mircea_popescu	no. thermal, cap and glue.	[02:10]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: second was thermal	[02:10]
mircea_popescu	the parasithic nature and the strict contempt of "law" it displays are essential for its success.	[02:11]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: drew this up, in some detail, in '03-04.	[02:11]
asciilifeform	at one point even wrote a grant proposal (laugh) suggesting use in savage lands, etc	[02:11]
mircea_popescu	well... it's what's happening.	[02:11]
mircea_popescu	la serenissima is deploying it in savage lands.	[02:12]
asciilifeform	spoke with al s. once re: oceanic variant	[02:12]
decimation	I've thought about a small mechanical generator that could be attached to a swaying tree	[02:12]
asciilifeform	(bottles, thermoclines)	[02:12]
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mircea_popescu	decimation a;lso interesting, for different situation	[02:12]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2015#1097986 << mit has little credit to claim there. all socialist states produce this variety exactly.	[02:13]
assbot	Logged on 12-04-2015 02:56:07; asciilifeform: revoltingly studious think-in-the box bitches, just as you might imagine	[02:13]
*	asciilifeform knows	[02:13]
asciilifeform	organism inescapable for the niche	[02:14]
asciilifeform	like the mold that grows in public toilets	[02:14]
asciilifeform	somehow - same.	[02:14]
decimation	'speaking power to truth'	[02:15]
mircea_popescu	http://wiki.infosyncratic.nl/ << lawl this is for you decimation	[02:16]
assbot	Infosyncratic Wiki - InfosyncraticWiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1ymWjZQ )	[02:16]
mircea_popescu	http://infosyncratic.nl/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/david-sengeh-xmas-2.jpg << you only hate her because miscegenation, i bet.	[02:16]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1ymWnZJ )	[02:16]
asciilifeform	http://www.gotenna.com/pages/how-it-works << commercial product, claimed. but begs question, why the pNohe is needed.	[02:17]
assbot	How goTenna works	[02:17]
decimation	is that related to that nadya peek chick	[02:17]
asciilifeform	to ricochet	[02:17]
asciilifeform	(ricochet modems could connect with one another without repeater, and i briefly searched if classical 'radiomodem' is still sold by anyone)	[02:18]
mircea_popescu	decimation yes.	[02:18]
asciilifeform	as in, gadget that directly links two machines over simple radio	[02:18]
mircea_popescu	http://fab.cba.mit.edu/classes/MIT/863.08/people/nadya/week1.html < good for a chuckle.	[02:19]
assbot	how to make almost anything ... ( http://bit.ly/1ymWAvG )	[02:19]
mircea_popescu	"It needs to be portable, therefore battery powered." << box.	[02:20]
decimation	you can listen to her being interviewed by the annoying australian here: http://www.theamphour.com/208-an-interview-with-nadya-peek-gallant-gcode-gerontology/	[02:20]
assbot	An Interview With Nadya Peek - Gallant Gcode Gerontology \| The Amp Hour Electronics Podcast ... ( http://bit.ly/1ymWDrt )	[02:20]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: and this creature is rich, while good men die in butugychag.	[02:20]
mircea_popescu	so ?	[02:20]
mircea_popescu	fairness is not on the agenda.	[02:20]
asciilifeform	so.	[02:20]
mircea_popescu	let good men take an axe to heir head, what.	[02:21]
asciilifeform	'axe-time, sword time, ...' (tm)	[02:21]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2015#1098006 << you mean el/es/itevator.	[02:22]
assbot	Logged on 12-04-2015 03:06:58; asciilifeform: and there is to be one in every office, lab, bus, train, - elevator.	[02:22]
decimation	yes, this seems like perfectly satisfactory course work for a phd student in engineering/'fabbing'	[02:22]
mircea_popescu	also tr/br/hrain.	[02:22]
mircea_popescu	decimation in the endless words of george, "you will note that i am in the smaller office!"	[02:23]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2015#1098008 << yes.	[02:24]
assbot	Logged on 12-04-2015 03:07:18; felipelalli: mircea_popescu: I love this article: http://trilema.com/2014/guidance-there-is-no-such-thing-as-bitcoin-taint/ do you keep this opinion?	[02:24]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2015#1098014 << well, i hired (and paid, upfront) two different hosts. neither has managed to provisdion server yet.	[02:24]
assbot	Logged on 12-04-2015 03:08:43; asciilifeform: felipelalli: it was unplugged (see mircea_popescu's explanation last night) and evidently not yet rehosted.	[02:24]
mircea_popescu	anyway, im sure htey'll get around to it eventually.	[02:25]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2015#1098020 << you read the bit about why lisp company failed btw ?	[02:26]
assbot	Logged on 12-04-2015 03:14:45; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: can't speak for others, but i refuse to consider the leaking turd usable in any sense whatsoever.	[02:26]
asciilifeform	which bit	[02:26]
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decimation	re: smaller office < note that one disadvantage that mit has is that because they are taken superficially as 'the hotness', they probably encounter very little negative feedback on obviously fucktarded behavior	[02:27]
mircea_popescu	linked here today	[02:27]
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*	asciilifeform up to date with log, but is not certain what is being spoken of	[02:29]
decimation	asciilifeform: re: gotenna < yeah I don't get why phone is needed either. why not simple 4 line lcd with 'thumb keyboard'?	[02:29]
mircea_popescu	1 sec lemme dig it out	[02:29]
asciilifeform	did someone link to the ancient 'symbolics, death of heterogeneous engineering' essay ? and i didn't notice	[02:29]
asciilifeform	decimation: because 'reasons.'	[02:29]
decimation	also, it appears to be vaporware	[02:30]
asciilifeform	decimation: can't say, i did not try to buy it	[02:30]
decimation	also I'm not sure that the rf band they are using is actually legal for that purpose	[02:30]
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asciilifeform	wasn't even able to find immediately what they claimed to use.	[02:31]
asciilifeform	lost interest quickly after seeing the pNohe	[02:31]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform yes that one. http://www.web.mit.edu/6.933/www/Symbolics.pdf	[02:31]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1ymXNmK )	[02:31]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: ancient paper	[02:31]
asciilifeform	not entirely wrong, either	[02:32]
mircea_popescu	so is the ancient failure it discusses.	[02:32]
asciilifeform	but incomplete picture.	[02:32]
mircea_popescu	"(4) When I was on the front line, trying to sell Lispms, we had a major problem. I'd try to sell Lispms to friends and former associates that cost a minimum of $90K, and generally $105K out-the-door. They were typically given $120K to buy computers. This left them with a choice of purchasing 1 Symbolics machine or 3 Xerox Dolphins. They generally selected the 3 Dolphins. Our cost for the keyboard was $3,200 and our co	[02:32]
mircea_popescu	st for the monitor screen was $8K (at least that was what I was told). My recollection was that the manufacturing cost of a Symbolics machine was over $40K. Hence, about one-third of the cost of a machine was the keyboard, mouse, and display. I told people within Symbolics to consider using a dumb display as the front-end (something like a Datapoint terminal). I can remember one employee telling me something like "if p	[02:32]
mircea_popescu	eople can't appreciate why the machine is the way it is then they're stupid." Unfortunately, the potential buyers desired (drooled) to have them but few could afford them."	[02:32]
mircea_popescu	compare and contrast with	[02:32]
decimation	in order to sell such a thing legally in the us, you must explictly gain usg's permission, after suitably demonstrating that it works as claimed	[02:32]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2015#1098020	[02:32]
assbot	Logged on 12-04-2015 03:14:45; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: can't speak for others, but i refuse to consider the leaking turd usable in any sense whatsoever.	[02:32]
mircea_popescu	decimation and if you don't care to "sell it legally" what happens ?	[02:33]
mircea_popescu	they gonna send some agents to confiscate imaginary bitcoin which then doesn't exist because "the agents stole it" ?	[02:33]
asciilifeform	depends on whether anyone buys.	[02:33]
mircea_popescu	i don't think anyone directly realises what epic self decapitation the dpr was for the usg.	[02:33]
decimation	mircea_popescu: fcc can and has send agents to seize your supply of device	[02:33]
asciilifeform	or more elementarily, they confiscate the usd with which you are to buy rent and food.	[02:34]
mircea_popescu	what agent is EVER going to wish to go work on a case where the emperor has dclared "huge value", wioth the full knowlerdge that if the value is somehoiw missing he will be imputed it anyway ?	[02:34]
asciilifeform	and then go and enjoy.	[02:34]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i've not actyually used a bank since i'm here.	[02:34]
mircea_popescu	enjoying it fine.	[02:34]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu does not need bank aboard atomic dirigible	[02:34]
asciilifeform	why would he.	[02:34]
mircea_popescu	you know, that dirigible is mostly an urban legend ?	[02:35]
decimation	we little folk need usd to survive	[02:35]
mircea_popescu	notably, i once picked up a us chick who at the time was engaged to be married.	[02:35]
mircea_popescu	guy declared "golden helicopter"	[02:35]
mircea_popescu	decimation cash comes in all denominations.	[02:35]
decimation	http://www.mediageek.net/2006/01/micro-transmitter-manufacturer-fined-by-fcc/	[02:36]
assbot	Micro-Transmitter Manufacturer Fined by FCC - mediageek ... ( http://bit.ly/1aFeoqF )	[02:36]
asciilifeform	guy declared "golden helicopter" << i bet savages do believe that an airplane flies on account of some compact talisman contained therein	[02:36]
decimation	http://www.eham.net/articles/243	[02:36]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1aFesqo )	[02:36]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform ikr ?	[02:36]
mircea_popescu	i was pretty amused at the notion, on multiple fronts.	[02:37]
asciilifeform	it isn't even strictly false - go pull out a wire	[02:37]
decimation	mircea_popescu: I suspect that many usians go their whole life without touching non-usd currency	[02:37]
asciilifeform	but not in the way the pygmy imagines	[02:37]
mircea_popescu	decimation cmon, some euros, something.	[02:37]
decimation	nope	[02:37]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu probably does not entirely apprehend the degree to which various folks in usa, myself included, are already in a sharashka. we work for scrip, every penny of which is centrally accounted for, incoming and out	[02:38]
*	mircea_popescu remembers old day, after a two week "if it's tuesday, it's belgium" thing, at 4am in train station guy pouring ~kig and half of coins into a beggar's lap.	[02:38]
mircea_popescu	"shit, im not sorting all these"	[02:38]
decimation	http://www.huffingtonpost.com/william-d-chalmers/the-great-american-passpo_b_1920287.html < "The real story is that when broken down, those 25.8 million trips overseas were taken by approximately just 13.3 million American residents. And that means that in total, the real number of Americans that actually traveled (took trips) overseas in 2009 for either business or leisure, was about 15.5 million --o r just five percent of our	[02:38]
decimation	nation's 311 million residents!"	[02:38]
assbot	The Great American Passport Myth: Why Just 3.5% Of Us Travel Overseas! \| William D. Chalmers ... ( http://bit.ly/1ymYsVh )	[02:38]
mircea_popescu	> 10 different types of pennies etc	[02:38]
asciilifeform	half the folks i work with, iirc, don't have - ever had - passports.	[02:39]
mircea_popescu	decimation 5% each year, 100% in 4 five year plans, comrade!	[02:39]
decimation	heh	[02:39]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform so you create unaccounted revenue, what.	[02:41]
asciilifeform	and spend on 100kg instead of 10kg of potato at the market ?	[02:42]
asciilifeform	(leaving deliberately aside the question of how a full-time slave is to create 'unaccounted revenue' worth mentioning)	[02:43]
mircea_popescu	well... trade, whatever.	[02:43]
*	decimation imagines what would happen if he tried to pay for groceries with euros	[02:43]
mircea_popescu	im kinda curious in a scholarly way exactly what sort of outrage would incentize teh usg to go back on its "principal home can not be seized" approach to things.	[02:45]
mircea_popescu	"but he owes 547869857694579459 in FCC fines" "tough"	[02:45]
mircea_popescu	"but he made a blog post laughing at us for it" "oh... ok then!"	[02:45]
decimation	asciilifeform: ah, the 'gotenna' uses MURS http://www.radioworld.com/TabId/64/Default.aspx?ArticleId=271827	[02:46]
assbot	Radio World: Examining the “goTenna” Communications Device	[02:46]
mircea_popescu	"Now we can address the contention that children are innately curious. They are not in the sense used here - they are tinkerers. The commonplace observation that children have short attention spans is direct refutation of the notion that they are creative and curious in any deep sense. The tragedy of our society is not that so many people outgrow their childlike curiosity, but that so few do. The adult equivalent of ch	[02:47]
mircea_popescu	ildlike curiosity is channel surfing and the ten-second sound bite."	[02:47]
mircea_popescu	ahh oldies...	[02:47]
asciilifeform	its "principal home can not be seized" approach to things << wut?!	[02:47]
decimation	yeah I don't get it	[02:47]
asciilifeform	this is, afaik, a curiosity confined to certain states	[02:47]
asciilifeform	(fl, a few others)	[02:47]
asciilifeform	not usa at large	[02:47]
mircea_popescu	ah, is it ?	[02:48]
asciilifeform	iirc.	[02:48]
asciilifeform	(ianal!)	[02:48]
mircea_popescu	www.irs.gov/pub/irs-wd/0947036.pdf afaik	[02:48]
asciilifeform	even if this, if chump cashes in his house, usg can seize	[02:49]
asciilifeform	so he cannot eat his house.	[02:49]
decimation	in practice, if usg wants to move you out of your house, they just freeze your accounts and bleed you with fines	[02:49]
mircea_popescu	wel lsure.	[02:49]
mircea_popescu	he could let someone live there, obviously.	[02:49]
decimation	in some states, local inspectors must approve rental properties	[02:50]
asciilifeform	the basic principle of a jail is that it is absurd to reason about 'jailer can do xxx but not yyy to the inmates.' he can always find a way to yyy.	[02:50]
asciilifeform	might take a bit of finesse, but you will be yyyd.	[02:50]
decimation	just like it's absurd to claim that 'in a democracy, government can do xxx but not yyy'	[02:51]
asciilifeform	same idea.	[02:51]
mircea_popescu	apparently it just needs to ask for permission (from a usg magistrate - improperly called a judge for the obvious reasons)	[02:52]
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mircea_popescu	"Article X, Section 4 of the Florida Constitution exempts homestead property from levy and execution by judgment creditors."	[02:53]
mircea_popescu	seems you're right eh.	[02:53]
mircea_popescu	in the constitution no less. interesting.	[02:53]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i only remembered the fl tidbit because paul graham blamed it for 'lack of startup culture in fl'	[02:53]
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decimation	http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:vU6cSmWP1UAJ:www.ci.azusa.ca.us/index.aspx < example "Why does the City have a Rental Inspection Program?For years the City responded to complaints from tenants, other nearby rental property owners,	[02:54]
decimation	and residents about the lack of property maintenance on many rental properties...blah blah"	[02:54]
assbot	Rental Property Ordinances and Inspections What is the Rental Housing Inspection Program? The program is based on an ordinance w ... ( http://bit.ly/1ymZX5X )	[02:54]
decimation	"consumers have come to expect"	[02:54]
asciilifeform	(how is chump supposed to borrow $xxxxxx to fund chumpup if not by pawning house)	[02:54]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[02:54]
asciilifeform	this is a quaint anachronism, even	[02:54]
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asciilifeform	chumps had something to pawn, imagine!	[02:55]
mircea_popescu	this is the libertard verbiage as to why king abolished proper title. "the drunkard nobles wanted to be able to sell!!1"	[02:55]
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decimation	"rental homes should be safe for women at night in slut wear"	[02:55]
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mircea_popescu	shouldn't they ?!	[02:55]
decimation	gov't inspectors will find out!	[02:55]
mircea_popescu	"Florida Constitution does not protect homestead property against tax liens, homeowner association mechanic’s liens associated with labor or materials to repair or improve the homestead property, and voluntary liens including mortgages and homeowner association liens. "	[02:56]
mircea_popescu	ahem.	[02:56]
decimation	lol well then what does it protect against?	[02:56]
asciilifeform	what's left, l0l	[02:56]
decimation	claims by local ants?	[02:56]
asciilifeform	more or less, strictly bans voluntary pawning.	[02:57]
asciilifeform	and nothing else.	[02:57]
decimation	let freedome ring	[02:57]
mircea_popescu	"and voluntary liens including mortgages"	[02:58]
asciilifeform	must've been added post-pg ?	[02:58]
mircea_popescu	basically it means that if old bitty runs down your new car with her beater,	[02:58]
mircea_popescu	you can't get your money back by selling her house.	[02:58]
asciilifeform	aha.	[02:59]
asciilifeform	hard to picture what else.	[02:59]
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decimation	actually I heard another interesting podcast today that is related > http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2006/09/legislators_vs.html	[02:59]
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decimation	unfortunately no transcript. the relevant point was about how the constitution was 'reinterpreted' during the new deal years to mean that the 'equal protection under law' clause doesn't apply to actual laws	[03:00]
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decimation	as long as there is a 'reasonable basis' for the law (as in, usg can provide any reason whatsoever"	[03:00]
mircea_popescu	all constitutions are constantly reinterpreted. see discussion about the bbs above.	[03:01]
mircea_popescu	this is why a constitution is fundamentally a joke. if you have the men that you need for it to work, you don't need it. if you don't have them, it's useless anyway.	[03:01]
mircea_popescu	like a marriage contract, exactly.	[03:01]
decimation	yes, indeed	[03:02]
asciilifeform	during and after 'new deal', american constitution and derived 'law' became approximately as interesting as the soviet constitution.	[03:02]
mircea_popescu	soviet constitution was notbad.jpg	[03:02]
asciilifeform	precisely	[03:02]
mircea_popescu	from the pov of the hostile preditor, of course.	[03:02]
asciilifeform	but for some odd reason no one reads it now.	[03:02]
mircea_popescu	whether outside or in. the scribblings of the mental patient - informative.	[03:02]
mircea_popescu	because nothing left to eat.	[03:02]
mircea_popescu	preditors don't care about dirt.	[03:03]
decimation	actually the soviet constitution is exactly an excercise in 'process determines outcomes'	[03:03]
mircea_popescu	you read the thing ?	[03:03]
decimation	on paper, democracy blooms. in practice, party secretary is the tzar	[03:03]
decimation	I've read summaries	[03:04]
mircea_popescu	hm	[03:04]
*	asciilifeform recommends.	[03:04]
asciilifeform	but only to serious 'psychoceramicists.'	[03:04]
mircea_popescu	http://constitution.garant.ru/history/ussr-rsfsr/1977/ ?	[03:04]
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asciilifeform	that'd be brezhnev's	[03:05]
decimation	the detail I recall is the vast pyramids of committees and soviets that each 'advise' the next layer	[03:05]
mircea_popescu	the soviets, of course, were a federation	[03:05]
asciilifeform	the mega-classic is stalin's	[03:05]
asciilifeform	'36.	[03:05]
mircea_popescu	much like the us. except the soviets making up the soyouz actually had more autonomy than wisconsin	[03:05]
asciilifeform	considerably more, in practice.	[03:06]
mircea_popescu	mhm	[03:06]
*	decimation took a class on soviet politics in undergrad, but it wasn't terribly informative	[03:06]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform well yes brejnev's. which one, the pre war ?!	[03:06]
asciilifeform	aha	[03:06]
mircea_popescu	there wasn't anything in between was there ? stalin didn't dare.	[03:06]
asciilifeform	'36 was 'stalin's' but notably not	[03:07]
asciilifeform	the muppet who penned the bulk of it (buharin) went to the meat grinder	[03:07]
mircea_popescu	eh ?	[03:07]
asciilifeform	whole thing was a production of the 'chrome' sov. gov. that had little relation to actual decision-making	[03:08]
decimation	surely even stalin had to pretend that he was operating the structure installed by lenin and his friends on kronstadt	[03:08]
asciilifeform	by and large the pretence was an elaborate and - to the amateur, scarcely-comprehensible - mega-kabuki	[03:08]
asciilifeform	not entirely unlike usg.	[03:09]
decimation	asciilifeform: surely the average peasant couldn't be much bothered to distinguish between comrade joe and tzar nikolai?	[03:09]
asciilifeform	(where, for instance, 'laws' tens of thousands of pages long will 'pass' without any one living creature having read so much as a tenth of the text, etc)	[03:10]
asciilifeform	decimation: there is a popular anecdote where stalin is said to have visited his elderly mother, who tried to comprehend what he does 'for a living'	[03:10]
decimation	rob banks?	[03:11]
asciilifeform	and ended up having to mumble 'something like tzar's old job'	[03:11]
decimation	heh	[03:11]
decimation	so who gave a fuck about whatever the local soviet declared? folks who wanted to climb the power structure?	[03:13]
asciilifeform	even phrasing the question in this way - is to miss the point	[03:14]
asciilifeform	what is declared, is at most masking smoke for the actual decision.	[03:14]
asciilifeform	or could coincide entirely	[03:14]
asciilifeform	like the blinkers of one car, standing in a long jam, can appear to synchronize with another's	[03:15]
asciilifeform	but uncoupled, is the fundamental part.	[03:15]
asciilifeform	the apparatus-of-state-as-distraction thing is not even specifically soviet	[03:15]
asciilifeform	ru empire was governed this way, since at least peter 1	[03:16]
decimation	usg is tending in that direction too	[03:16]
asciilifeform	usg was pure, refined 'this' since day 1.	[03:16]
asciilifeform	since gang of plantation keepers formed 'democratic' chrome on their actual decision mechanisms	[03:17]
decimation	yes, but usg has been very successful at brainwashing the masses into believing its bullshit	[03:17]
decimation	but I think this is failing too. how many us folk believe that throwing their sons into the us military 'intervention' wood chipper is actually helping anyone other than the power-mad staffers in washington?	[03:20]
chetty	most of the founding fathers were from the north, not many plantation keepers around Boston	[03:24]
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decimation	chetty: the ones from virginia certainly kept plantations	[03:25]
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chetty	decimation certainly, even as far north as Maryland but I don't think it was the majority	[03:34]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.webhostingtalk.com/ o.O	[05:42]
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mircea_popescu	most of the founding fathers were from the north, not many plantation keepers around Boston << at what time, this ?	[05:45]
mircea_popescu	"Harriette Halepis is a journalist by trade. Her work can be seen in Vegetarian Times, Seacoast Living, Success Magazine, Alive Magazine, and various other online and offline publications."	[05:53]
mircea_popescu	journalist as opposed to indian battery chicken, i guess. "i cluck at the keyboard just like the wetbacks, but in not being a wetback i get to call myself a journalist. by trade!"	[05:54]
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chetty	most of the founding fathers were from the north, not many plantation keepers around Boston << at what time, this ?//founding fathers = circa 1770	[06:52]
mircea_popescu	they had plantations back then	[06:53]
chetty	not so much in the north, northern farms were small	[06:53]
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mircea_popescu	plimoth plantation ?	[07:04]
chetty	way a village	[07:08]
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mircea_popescu	and in other news, jesus CHRIST has the world decayed since I last looked for a host.	[15:00]
mircea_popescu	apparently nobody actually still does anything anymore. just watch tv all day or something.	[15:00]
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jurov	kinda souds right	[15:30]
jurov	*sounds	[15:30]
mircea_popescu	nuts.	[15:30]
jurov	i have serious doubts myself, why bother messing around at all?	[15:31]
mircea_popescu	I just... never looked for a webhost since at least 2002, been using pretty much the same outfit since.	[15:31]
mircea_popescu	this entire "we've been sitting on an order for 36 hours" thing is entirely novel. no idea when it came in, but it strikes me as outlandish.	[15:31]
mircea_popescu	jurov i dunno dood, for money, cause it's what you do... the world was built by men who enjoyed working.	[15:32]
mircea_popescu	in unrelated news, some wikipedia top keks : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaúxuma_Núpika	[15:33]
assbot	Kaúxuma Núpika - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nv8Jp2 )	[15:33]
mircea_popescu	GREAT WOMEN IN HISTOREE. a confused squaw we now deem important!	[15:33]
jurov	they had to neva some other cause, perhaps believed their children appreciate it or such	[15:33]
jurov	*to have	[15:33]
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trinque	the world's too comfortable; goes back to the thread yesterday about whether being self-taught is a thing	[15:35]
trinque	subset of "being self-directed at all is a thing"	[15:35]
mircea_popescu	one can only be self-directed if one's ego can stfu for long intervals.	[15:36]
jurov	i kinda ran out of problem i feel the need of solving	[15:36]
jurov	*problems	[15:36]
jurov	not sure how it is possible	[15:36]
mircea_popescu	yea ? how about webhosting ?	[15:36]
jurov	not my problem	[15:37]
mircea_popescu	trinque this pointedly excludes "creative people", obv. the sad story of WBs animation studio post quimby vs pre is a fine illustration there.	[15:37]
mircea_popescu	jurov how do you define a problem ? just curious.	[15:37]
jurov	something that bothers me	[15:37]
mircea_popescu	kinda how i go about it too.	[15:38]
mircea_popescu	inexplicably, i end up with unmanageably lengthy lists.	[15:38]
trinque	mircea_popescu: yeah, creative people, entrepreneurs. In my case I've been self-directed for the larger part of the last 5 years, but I wouldn't credit myself with having provided all the motivation to go down that route.	[15:38]
trinque	other men in my family did things that still tower above my own achievements, so I have something to compare myself with	[15:39]
jurov	i have noticed both mircea and alf show irreconcilable hate for certain things, maybe it's a prereq?	[15:39]
jurov	i can't persist and doubt everything	[15:41]
mircea_popescu	it's not even hate, to be technical. it's more like "this may not even exist".	[15:41]
mircea_popescu	lol "qntsideration". nb.	[15:47]
mircea_popescu	jurov meanwhile, while we've been having this conversation, there's been one of those open air concerts going on right under my window. the women can not sing. i mean... the tune is not even close, it's like zappa's "the beat goes on, and you're so wrong..." stuff.	[15:48]
mircea_popescu	they're doing covers of shitty elevator music, all of it in english (or should i say their lords and masters over the faulklands ?), and they don't get the words right or even rightly apprehend what anything means.	[15:49]
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mircea_popescu	and people are like, squaling in delight, there's thunderous applause... "forever young" hasn't got this bad a mangling since the last tiem a drunk dude in wichita sung it at a karaoke	[15:49]
mircea_popescu	very strange world.	[15:50]
mircea_popescu	o wait, they're doing "we will rock you" now.	[15:51]
mircea_popescu	amps should be a restricted fucking export. buncha native retards and their cargo cultishness bejeezuz.	[15:51]
trinque	this morning I got a bunch of 2fa texts from circle; I wonder if they have an undiagnosed bug leaking customer info	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	you being a customer ?	[15:57]
trinque	one with an empty account, yeah	[15:57]
mircea_popescu	maybe it's their idea of a retention strategy.	[15:57]
trinque	heh, reminds me I have the account?	[15:58]
trinque	it worked! reminded me to close the account	[15:58]
mike_c	trinque: it's even viral. now I am reminded to close my account too.	[16:00]
trinque	heh!	[16:00]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[16:00]
mircea_popescu	what is this "close account" stuff you folks are talking about ?	[16:01]
trinque	mircea_popescu: we tell circle to mark a bit to 0 in their db, and they keep our info for all time	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	it says right here in paragraph obama subsection nobody could have foreseen : fuck you, if you have an account you didn't make that account.	[16:01]
trinque	lol	[16:01]
trinque	speaking of him, this chatter is something I'm seeing on more accounts than just circle	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	i wonder if mr "if you have a stanford you didn't go to that stanford" / "if you have a presidency your parents didn't make you in that country" / "if you had an insurance you can no longer have an insurance" even realises what his memory is going to look like	[16:02]
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mircea_popescu	"hi, i am obama and for a while there I was a bad meme."	[16:03]
trinque	mircea_popescu: they probably give him pills to help with that	[16:03]
mircea_popescu	teh old cocaine eyedrops ? perhaps.	[16:04]
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mircea_popescu	amusingly, after bitching above, just got email from one of the folks involved apologizing profusely. so which one of you dudes runs godmodehost ?	[16:05]
mircea_popescu	admit, there's no shame to it.	[16:05]
decimation	mircea_popescu: why do the 'natives' there sing low quality us pop music instead of performing their own stuff?	[16:07]
decimation	for instance, latin jazz	[16:07]
mircea_popescu	because aspirational idiots.	[16:07]
mircea_popescu	it's a generational problem.	[16:07]
mircea_popescu	the stupid have no country.	[16:08]
decimation	my understanding is that latin jazz was inspired by shortwave broadcasts of us jazz	[16:08]
trinque	probably as simple as "because they gorge on our shitty entertainment, like the morons everywhere"	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	hence why "globalisation" is the necessary end game of a "the many matter"	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	decimation i have no idea, maybe it has. if that's the case then your answer is "because THIS stupid generation is different from THAT one."	[16:09]
decimation	well, at least the last generation took what they heard and remixed it to something somewhat unique	[16:09]
mircea_popescu	yes. they could also spell their own name.	[16:10]
decimation	heh	[16:10]
jurov	decimation, imported is flashier	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	in fairness, as far as pop music is concerned, not understanding what the lyrics say is a net plus.	[16:10]
jurov	was happening for a very loong time in ostblok	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	jurov only after the economic race was lost, mind.	[16:11]
mircea_popescu	was not really happening that much in the 60s.	[16:11]
decimation	jurov: many have noted that western liberalism is much more concerned with 'the other' than with themselves	[16:11]
jurov	at least in czechoslovakia, it was	[16:11]
jurov	in 1960s	[16:11]
mircea_popescu	was that not just natural "look to vienna" for the kingdom of bohemia ?	[16:11]
trinque	decimation: how does that square with the rampant narcissism?	[16:12]
jurov	more like general setup if things, you prolly did not get radio luxembourg in ro	[16:12]
decimation	trinque: easy. 'the distant other' always happens to agree with your own liberalizing views	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	^	[16:13]
trinque	makes sense	[16:13]
mircea_popescu	"the other" is a puny excuse for the ego to escape the superego.	[16:13]
trinque	american buddhists come to mind	[16:13]
mircea_popescu	hence the automatic "we" every idiot drops to the moment i get my club.	[16:13]
mircea_popescu	jurov i guess that could also be it.	[16:13]
decimation	jurov: surely they received it on shortwave	[16:14]
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decimation	but I'm not sure how many people in eastern eu countries had shortwave receivers	[16:14]
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mircea_popescu	lots lol.	[16:14]
mircea_popescu	man's most prized possession. like kalash in pashtunland.	[16:15]
jurov	yes, everyone had. and first mass available magnetophones appeared	[16:15]
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decimation	magnetophones? tape players?	[16:18]
jurov	yes, tape reel players	[16:19]
jurov	and recorders	[16:19]
jurov	(same machine, you couldn't get one that could not record)	[16:19]
jurov	interesting that govt did not regulate them at all, unlike photocopiers	[16:20]
jurov	tape was seemingly never used for political purposes	[16:21]
jurov	it bit them to ass when videotapes came, tho	[16:21]
mircea_popescu	isn't this odd, think about it ?	[16:22]
mircea_popescu	you had to "register" your typewriter. kids didn't have to register their magnetophone.	[16:22]
mircea_popescu	does this not suggest that the ACTUAL REASON adults "had to" register their typewriters was because they wanted to have to ?	[16:23]
felipelalli	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2015#1098408 << mircea_popescu nice!! Thanks! Great article, congrats.	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	like a retarded native american would have taken it to the shaman to be exorcised ?	[16:23]
decimation	mircea_popescu: yes that seems reasonable	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	like the retarded native americans go through the tsa anal gefingerpoken so as to be clarified of their sins ?	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	i said this before, but perhaps not as clearly : no totalitarian state oppressed the people. ever.	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	the people seek certain forms, and the bureaucracy follows.	[16:24]
mircea_popescu	no bureaucracy EVER did anything. it has as much agency as rain.	[16:24]
assbot	Logged on 12-04-2015 05:18:53; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2015#1098008 << yes.	[16:24]
trinque	mircea_popescu: always a very small number of whichever govt officials compared to the total populatio	[16:25]
trinque	*n	[16:25]
decimation	mircea_popescu: you see this in the us with the ambiguity usg shows toward spying in general	[16:26]
mircea_popescu	no dude. hitler didn't "force germans". buncha bored women wanted it. all of it.	[16:26]
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mircea_popescu	they were treying to get the russians to rape them and found a way.	[16:26]
decimation	'the people' desperately want to believe that there is a secretly competent branch of usg saving them from themselves	[16:26]
mircea_popescu	the us population fundamentally wishes to be deeply humiliated by the entire world. it's what they're doing over there.	[16:27]
mircea_popescu	why us army hasn't been allowed to win a war since the 60s at least.	[16:27]
mircea_popescu	just... abjection. it's a lot more psychologically attractive than most people dare to admit.	[16:27]
decimation	yes, and it's seen as noble because it embiggens 'the other' in the third whom they idolize	[16:28]
trinque	perhaps that, also guilt	[16:28]
mircea_popescu	guilt schmuilt.	[16:28]
trinque	we are taught (though this is of course delusional) that we're supposed to be this force of GOOD (TM) in the world	[16:29]
mircea_popescu	nobody feels any guilt.	[16:29]
trinque	then why the drive towards abjection?	[16:29]
mircea_popescu	abjection is its own reward.	[16:30]
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trinque	because then they're at least important enough to bother humiliating?	[16:31]
mircea_popescu	not even.	[16:31]
mircea_popescu	no because.	[16:31]
mircea_popescu	"That Lakota men did not like to be called "heart of a woman" in council meetings is less likely to mean that women were regarded as inferior than that the warrior's role was sharply set off from the woman's role". Check it out, both the Lakota and Hassrick managed to figure it out!	[16:34]
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trinque	so this abjection drive is a matter of female psychology?	[16:36]
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decimation	!up ascii_modem	[16:43]
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ascii_modem	magnetophone apolitical?! l0l no	[16:43]
ascii_modem	and	[16:45]
ascii_modem	not registered only because tech did not allow	[16:45]
decimation	but the tech allowed registration of copiers?	[16:45]
ascii_modem	them to be told apart easily, as typewrtrs	[16:45]
ascii_modem	trivial	[16:45]
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mircea_popescu	!up beetcoin	[16:49]
-assbot-	You voiced beetcoin for 30 minutes.	[16:49]
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decimation	"Even though history does not have laws, the course of a revolution is easily foreseen, because stupidity and madness do have laws. (#2,222)" http://don-colacho.blogspot.com/2010/11/2222.html	[16:50]
assbot	Don Colacho’s Aphorisms: #2,222 ... ( http://bit.ly/1FCyLm3 )	[16:50]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[16:51]
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mircea_popescu	"Aun cuando la historia no tenga leyes el curso de una revolución se prevé fácilmente, porque la estupidez y la demencia sí las tienen."	[16:53]
mircea_popescu	dementia != madness, ftr.	[16:53]
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decimation	not in the 'crazy old men sense, no'	[16:53]
decimation	;;dict demented	[16:54]
gribble	wn: demented adj 1: affected with madness or insanity; "a man who had gone mad" [syn: {brainsick}, {crazy}, {demented}, {disturbed}, {mad}, {sick}, {unbalanced}, {unhinged}]	[16:54]
mircea_popescu	sure, the dysfunctional us "dictionaries", really properly wikitionaries have everything equal. (demencia passion locura furia) = (insanity crazyness madness	[16:54]
mircea_popescu	nevertheless, this is not how languages work.	[16:54]
mircea_popescu	decimation no. demented is different from mad in that one lacks the intellect whereas the other has a malfunctioning intellect. the alzhimer patient is demented but not mad.	[16:55]
mircea_popescu	the active schizophrenic is mad but not demented.	[16:55]
mircea_popescu	lack of intellect is in fact predictable.	[16:55]
decimation	'mens rea'?	[16:55]
mircea_popescu	that's teleological in usage. but perhaps there's something long forgotten to the etymology.	[16:56]
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jurov	btw, is there a trilema piece about how to maintain endless lists of "things that are not to exist" without becoming mad in the process?	[17:00]
mircea_popescu	well we don't know i'm not nuts, for one thing.	[17:04]
mircea_popescu	but for the other, how do you maintain the list of endless things that are not letters ?	[17:05]
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jurov	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2015#1098693 not sure if "unmanageably lengthy" is distnct from endless	[17:06]
assbot	Logged on 12-04-2015 18:33:07; mircea_popescu: inexplicably, i end up with unmanageably lengthy lists.	[17:06]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2015#1098658 << send a copy to ben_vulpes	[17:06]
assbot	Logged on 12-04-2015 16:56:38; pete_dushenski: should add this to ma cv or something	[17:06]
mircea_popescu	he's keeping THAT endless list :D	[17:06]
mircea_popescu	jurov it is, being still (blessfully) finite.	[17:07]
jurov	i did not mean to split hairs there :) so it goes like, you get upset, add it to the list while maybe breaking the keyboard or two and life goes on?	[17:08]
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mircea_popescu	pretty much.	[17:09]
mircea_popescu	but look at the way i read, it's illustrative.	[17:09]
mircea_popescu	i couldn't finish hayek because he was stupid. think about that, hayek of all people. if hayek is stupid what chance do we have ?	[17:09]
mircea_popescu	but the fact remains, i keep reading through, stupid accumulates, eventually overrurns my (short) buffer and i drop it.	[17:10]
mircea_popescu	plenty of web content makes it one phrase in.	[17:10]
mircea_popescu	seeing how stupidity is not self-healing, i don't even need to keep the list per se. just read another sentence later.	[17:10]
jurov	i just shrug it and try to forget.. guess i need to unlearn that	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	either that or perfect the skill, shrug and try to be a rock or something.	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	halfway i imagine it's frustrating and ineffectual.	[17:12]
jurov	it is	[17:13]
mircea_popescu	"welcome, driving class. today, we learn how to accelerate the car. next week, we'll learn steering and braking."	[17:14]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2015#1098660 << actually, tobacco first.	[17:22]
assbot	Logged on 12-04-2015 16:57:38; asciilifeform: it having been the only really serious business in that part of the world, at the time.	[17:22]
mircea_popescu	then sugar cane	[17:22]
mircea_popescu	THEN cotton.	[17:22]
mircea_popescu	but the original northern colonists (south didn't exist, like oregon didn't exist during civil war) ran exactly the equivalent of the southern plantation,	[17:23]
mircea_popescu	except for tobacco, and with white slaves.	[17:23]
mircea_popescu	it was common practice to pick up children off the street / take the children of people living on the dole and send them over.	[17:23]
mircea_popescu	regularly children as old as 12 are listed as "servants". girls, mostly.	[17:24]
mircea_popescu	in fact, even the puritans, even on the mayflower, for all the pretense to contrary, shipped a total of four children that had been stolen from a gentry woman in england, against hte mother's wishes. three died the first winter there.	[17:24]
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mircea_popescu	the woman's husband wanted to end the fee tail on the woman's dowry estate, and did not wish to entertain her children (which she had with a guy she actually liked, about her age), and so ... had his friend teh lord of the cinque ports declare them slaves, and they got sent where slaves went in 1500.	[17:25]
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decimation	not to mention indentured servitude	[17:28]
decimation	http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/3664862/The-forgotten-history-of-Britains-white-slaves.html	[17:29]
assbot	The forgotten history of Britain's white slaves - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1FCFs7A )	[17:29]
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mircea_popescu	i suppose the us owes reparations to britain.	[17:29]
decimation	"Two were "Negro slaves", but the other eight were white servants, including Thomas Pearce, a 20-year-old Bristol joiner, and William Webster, a middle-aged Scottish brick-maker. Whether they were ever found remains a mystery; almost nothing is known about them but their names. But their irate master was to become very famous indeed, for the man pursuing his absconding servants was called George Washington."	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	then again... they did give them a buncha shit.	[17:29]
decimation	well, the colonies were a nice place to 'disappear' all kinds of crazies	[17:30]
mircea_popescu	decimation the fact remains that slavery is generally productive, and in some circumstances the only practicable alternative.	[17:30]
mircea_popescu	that it's badmouthed by the lazy, and that the encyclopedists pushed this angle where the late failure is presented as pars pro toto reporesentative... well.	[17:30]
mircea_popescu	what if i started an encyclopedia presenting the current state of "web development" as indicative of what computing science is ?	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	"even the slave masters themselves agreed slavery is a bad idea".	[17:31]
decimation	heh	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	duh. badly done, yes. it is. of course it is.	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	so is badly done coffee.	[17:31]
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decimation	note that the above mentioned indentured servants volunteered, probably because of bankruptcy	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	"volunteered".	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	women voluntarily married at the time, too.	[17:32]
decimation	hehe good point	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	heck, the french conscripts of the french republicalso volunteered	[17:32]
decimation	at any rate, I'm off for awhile	[17:33]
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mircea_popescu	the fact that the medical science of detecting imaginary maladies never got such a boost before or since notwithstanding.	[17:33]
mircea_popescu	one should still wonder why would record numbers of malingerers seen in a thorouhgly voluntary force.	[17:33]
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mats	the popular retelling of american history is terribly freedomwashed	[18:45]
mats	see: Daniel Day Lewis' role in Lincoln (2012)	[18:45]
mats	like lincoln ever gave a shit about emancipating the negros ... rather than driving them into revolt, resistance, and generally disrupting the southern economy	[18:47]
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mircea_popescu	so it is.	[19:06]
mircea_popescu	pious fraud. no history was ever told any other way, because the principal driver behind history as a human behaviour is exactly what Chillum was describing re his involvement in wikipedia.	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	people by and large aspire to matter.	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	what happened in an incidental	[19:07]
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mats	but i want to hear more about what the wikipedia admins are talking about in their private channel	[19:33]
mircea_popescu	so join.	[19:35]
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mats	/s	[19:44]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 159127 @ 0.00028275 = 44.9932 BTC [-]	[20:02]
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jurov	!t m s.mpoe	[20:23]
assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00028275 / 0.00029231 / 0.00030023 (5983782 shares, 1,749.15 BTC), 7D: 0.00023945 / 0.00027914 / 0.00031364 (27602244 shares, 7,705.08 BTC), 30D: 0.0001443 / 0.00027661 / 0.00036126 (118782551 shares, 32,857.45 BTC)	[20:23]
jurov	!t m s.qntr	[20:23]
assbot	[MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00029451 / 0.00029451 / 0.00029451 (3228 shares, 0.95 BTC), 30D: 0.00020808 / 0.00031994 / 0.00037719 (61690 shares, 19.74 BTC)	[20:23]
jurov	!t m f.mpif	[20:23]
assbot	[MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0.000206 / 0.000206 / 0.000206 (10000 shares, 2.06 BTC), 7D: 0.000206 / 0.00020605 / 0.000207 (10600 shares, 2.18 BTC), 30D: 0.000206 / 0.00020605 / 0.000207 (10600 shares, 2.18 BTC)	[20:23]
ben_vulpes	http://www.wsj.com/articles/can-they-be-accepted-as-a-singular-pronoun-1428686651	[20:24]
assbot	Can ‘They’ Be Accepted as a Singular Pronoun? - WSJ	[20:24]
jurov	nice, it includes not just trannies, but split/absent personalities, too	[20:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26450 @ 0.00028603 = 7.5655 BTC [+] {2}	[20:28]
*	Adlai discussed just this very issue over dinner with a university professor	[20:29]
Adlai	and he was all... "ultimately, it's all bullshit"	[20:29]
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ben_vulpes	i'm just going to use it as a filter, the same way i filter against men who button the top button of their shirt when not wearing a tie.	[20:54]
[]bot	Bet placed: 2.1 BTC for No on "Silver at or over $22/oz before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1132/ Odds: 17(Y):83(N) by coin, 18(Y):82(N) by weight. Total bet: 12.055139 BTC. Current weight: 88,379.	[21:04]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116700 @ 0.00028163 = 32.8662 BTC [-] {2}	[21:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58150 @ 0.00028091 = 16.3349 BTC [-]	[21:14]
Adlai	eh	[21:15]
Adlai	ben_vulpes: what kind of filter?	[21:15]
*	Adlai uses "they" quite a bit	[21:15]
Adlai	and /me wouldn't want to be discrimunatud against by the hypothetical ben_vulpes	[21:16]
ben_vulpes	oh don't mind me i'm just being bombastic	[21:17]
[]bot	Bet placed: 4.3 BTC for No on "BTC to top $700 before 1st July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1128/ Odds: 9(Y):91(N) by coin, 9(Y):91(N) by weight. Total bet: 159.46184834 BTC. Current weight: 62,779.	[21:18]
[]bot	Bet placed: 3 BTC for No on "Silver at or over $22/oz before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1132/ Odds: 13(Y):87(N) by coin, 15(Y):85(N) by weight. Total bet: 15.055139 BTC. Current weight: 88,373.	[21:18]
Adlai	why bomb when you can fant?	[21:18]
Adlai	.. or bet, lol	[21:18]
Adlai	although silver's going up. you heard it here first.	[21:18]
ben_vulpes	what makes you think that?	[21:29]
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Adlai	uh	[21:31]
Adlai	no it's going down, shit.	[21:31]
*	Adlai just lost 3 BTC	[21:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 209100 @ 0.00028941 = 60.5156 BTC [+] {2}	[21:36]
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ben_vulpes	it's not even 4:20 yet, Adlai	[21:40]
Adlai	salways 420 somewhere	[21:40]
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*	Adlai should sleep, don't take it personally but kindly fuck off.	[21:40]
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*	assbot gives voice to williamdunne	[22:01]
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*	assbot gives voice to BingoBoingo	[22:18]
BingoBoingo	!up `bittrex-richie	[22:18]
*	assbot gives voice to `bittrex-richie	[22:18]
BingoBoingo	!up mxtm	[22:20]
*	assbot gives voice to mxtm	[22:20]
mxtm	thanks	[22:20]
mxtm	`bittrex-richie is impersonating bittrex-richie, by the way	[22:20]
mxtm	he's the serb	[22:20]
`bittrex-richie	mxtm impersonate me he is Nigger	[22:21]
`bittrex-richie	mxtm	[22:21]
`bittrex-richie	i'm voiced	[22:22]
`bittrex-richie	LELE	[22:22]
`bittrex-richie	moron	[22:22]
`bittrex-richie	kill yourslef	[22:22]
`bittrex-richie	fast fast pm OP	[22:22]
`bittrex-richie	and lick they ass	[22:22]
`bittrex-richie	HAHHAAHHAH	[22:22]
`bittrex-richie	moron	[22:22]
`bittrex-richie	lol	[22:22]
`bittrex-richie	did you pm OP	[22:22]
`bittrex-richie	mxtm	[22:22]
`bittrex-richie	did you eat shit from your doge?	[22:22]
mxtm	lol	[22:22]
`bittrex-richie	lol	[22:23]
`bittrex-richie	see	[22:23]
`bittrex-richie	all i talk is true	[22:23]
`bittrex-richie	agree	[22:23]
*	`bittrex-richie is now known as BIoodyRoockie	[22:24]
williamdunne	furiously checking logs wondering what I have missed	[22:25]
mxtm	a scammer joining	[22:25]
mxtm	and then spamming and calling me slurs	[22:26]
williamdunne	Is it worth downing him?	[22:26]
BIoodyRoockie	nahh	[22:26]
BIoodyRoockie	mxtm	[22:26]
BIoodyRoockie	is idiot	[22:26]
mxtm	williamdunne: yes	[22:26]
mxtm	pls do	[22:26]
*	assbot gives voice to Adlai	[22:26]
williamdunne	!down BloodyRoockie	[22:27]
BIoodyRoockie	?	[22:27]
Adlai	!down BIoodyRoockie	[22:27]
*	assbot removes voice from BIoodyRoockie	[22:27]
*	BIoodyRoockie is now known as ufnfnf	[22:27]
Adlai	!down ufnfnf	[22:27]
*	assbot removes voice from ufnfnf	[22:27]
*	ufnfnf is now known as ufoirotffff	[22:27]
Adlai	!down mxtm	[22:27]
*	assbot removes voice from mxtm	[22:27]
*	ufoirotffff is now known as ufoirotffffp	[22:27]
Adlai	get in the wot, fuckers	[22:27]
Adlai	!down ufoirotffffp	[22:27]
*	assbot removes voice from ufoirotffffp	[22:27]
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Adlai	04:22:24 mxtm \| I am in the WoT :( just not assbot's	[22:28]
williamdunne	I'm in Assbot's WoT, not sure why it didn't work for me	[22:28]
williamdunne	Do you need to be in ring 1 to !down?	[22:28]
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Adlai	!down williamdunne	[22:29]
Adlai	assbot (~assbot@unaffiliated/kakobrekla/bot/assbot): Adlai, you can't do that to williamdunne. (Trust: L1 0, L2 1)	[22:29]
Adlai	there appears to be an anomaly.	[22:29]
williamdunne	Interesting	[22:30]
Adlai	i mean, we should have the same abilities; yet i could down them, but you couldn't.	[22:30]
*	Adlai is also in L2	[22:30]
Adlai	there is a problem! system be broke.	[22:30]
*	ufoiroponyuki is now known as WoIf`	[22:31]
williamdunne	Is the source available for assbot? I'll have a peek	[22:31]
Adlai	not that i know. kakobrekla ?	[22:31]
Adlai	;;getrust adlai williamdunne	[22:36]
gribble	Error: "getrust" is not a valid command.	[22:36]
Adlai	;;gettrust adlai williamdunne	[22:36]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user adlai to user williamdunne: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=adlai&dest=williamdunne \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=williamdunne \| Rated since: never	[22:36]
williamdunne	Its !gettrust for assbot is it not?	[22:36]
Adlai	williamdunne: aha! "Currently not authenticated."?	[22:36]
Adlai	!gettrust adlai williamdunne	[22:37]
assbot	Trust relationship from user adlai to user williamdunne: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. \| http://w.b-a.link/trust/adlai/williamdunne \| http://w.b-a.link/user/williamdunne	[22:37]
Adlai	williamdunne: so, new blood, where are you cut from?	[22:39]
*	Adlai is now known as adlai	[22:39]
williamdunne	From the UK, got into bitcoin a couple of years ago but spent the last having my education from a number of #b-a soures	[22:40]
adlai	why do you feel "cut from" the UK?	[22:40]
williamdunne	I don't, I just wasn't entirely sure what you were asking me so covered a couple of interpretations	[22:41]
williamdunne	(One of which was where are you from)	[22:41]
*	adlai distinctly recalls mentioning cuts	[22:42]
adlai	which could imply any number of things, such as "at which sovereign did you hail before you realized you needed none"	[22:42]
williamdunne	Yep, thats the one I was answering - I wouldn't consider the sovereignty I reside in to be a part of my identity.	[22:43]
williamdunne	Nor would I expect it to be my final resting place	[22:43]
adlai	how have you repaid it for what it did give you?	[22:43]
ben_vulpes	adlai: how do you know it was a net gift and not theft?	[22:44]
williamdunne	At this point in time, nothing	[22:44]
williamdunne	And nor do I feel any obligation to	[22:44]
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adlai	ben_vulpes: "it has taken more from me than it gave" is a valid answer	[22:44]
adlai	but not everybody would say that	[22:45]
*	adlai for example has not yet fully cashed his check	[22:45]
ben_vulpes	i don't think that this place could ever repay me for the cost of living here.	[22:46]
williamdunne	I will presume you are in the US	[22:47]
trinque	ben_vulpes: the old deeds bundle hashes are a hash of each deed comma-delimited, then hashed again all together	[22:48]
*	trinque is working on that import	[22:48]
trinque	that is why I didn't just import the thing blindly; it worked differently than the current iteration	[22:48]
trinque	with that said, let no one ever claim that the deedbot doesn't work because they couldn't figure out how to verify these	[22:49]
williamdunne	Those who have need of it should learn how to use it, instead of hoping for it to be spoonfed to them with parallax	[22:50]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 177100 @ 0.00028227 = 49.99 BTC [-]	[22:56]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 141500 @ 0.00028426 = 40.2228 BTC [+] {2}	[23:09]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43450 @ 0.00028581 = 12.4184 BTC [+]	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	lmao wut whas that.	[23:26]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes " men who button the top button of their shirt when not wearing a tie." << what's that ? retardaton ? tuxedo ?	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	lol i put the serb/nigger in bash	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	anyone still modding that ?	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	lulz @adlai managing teh chan	[23:29]
mircea_popescu	you know, namechanges dont provide voice yo	[23:29]
mircea_popescu	I'm in Assbot's WoT, not sure why it didn't work for me << because you typed out the full name like a noob, and you have a display that fails to make the diff between capital i and lowcase l. instead of, you know, typiong the first three letters then hitting autocompletion like people who aren't noobs, and thus by noticing that Blo does nothing figure out the problem.	[23:31]
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adlai	!down mircea_popescu	[23:31]
mircea_popescu	and teh same goes to teh other nooblet.	[23:31]
adlai	^^ still doesn't work	[23:31]
mircea_popescu	how the fuck would THAT work lol	[23:31]
adlai	there's more to it than autocomplete!	[23:31]
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mircea_popescu	othereis ?	[23:31]
adlai	yarly	[23:31]
mircea_popescu	!down 8dl8ee	[23:32]
mircea_popescu	shit that didn't werk!	[23:32]
*	assbot gives voice to williamdunne	[23:33]
williamdunne	A tragedy unfolding before our very eyes	[23:33]
adlai	maybe !up and !down should rely on blockchain consensus instead	[23:34]
mircea_popescu	...	[23:35]
williamdunne	Aha, I wrote a post about that the other day. So fed up of this "Decentralize all the things" meme	[23:35]
adlai	you may be glad to hear that decentralization has opened a theater next to security	[23:35]
williamdunne	Its extra efficient because every computer has to do the calculation, instead of just one!	[23:36]
adlai	don't forget the added benefit of having everybody explicitly, voluntarily, affirm their trust in bob	[23:36]
mircea_popescu	how have you repaid it for what it did give you? << atta boy :D	[23:36]
mircea_popescu	now eat, eat.	[23:36]
mircea_popescu	you're skin an' bones.	[23:36]
adlai	that's got nothing to do with letat	[23:37]
mircea_popescu	I will presume you are in the US << he's in portland. a place so infected with dumb, if you ever run into a sane woman you gotta marry her.	[23:37]
mircea_popescu	adlai orly ?	[23:37]
williamdunne	mircea_popescu, that seems to be a relatively common theme in many places, in fairness	[23:38]
mircea_popescu	sure. and for the following good reason :	[23:38]
mircea_popescu	admitting that the two ways any group of people could be organised as are strictly 1. it's only funny until someone loses an eye. then it's hysterical and b. minimize the discomfort of everyone an' love them whether they want to or not,	[23:39]
mircea_popescu	which contemporary pretender to sovereignty would you say is not organised by and for the needs, interests and preoccupations of women ?	[23:39]
mircea_popescu	women, of course, are relatively common in places. and so therefore...	[23:39]
mircea_popescu	that is why I didn't just import the thing blindly; it worked differently than the current iteration << yeah at this point a note is called for at that	[23:40]
williamdunne	Women are more common than men	[23:41]
mircea_popescu	i suspect the most common gender these days is "dragon"	[23:42]
williamdunne	That is dragon-kin, thank you very much	[23:42]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[23:42]
williamdunne	Please treat my gender with the weight it so-deserves	[23:42]
adlai	because your metabolism hasn't given it enough weight already?	[23:43]
mircea_popescu	i dunno how i ended up with some of these and some girlie asked me how do i "identify" and i said aliphatic.	[23:43]
mircea_popescu	she had no idea what that is and i didn't think much of her	[23:43]
mircea_popescu	but for different reasons altogether.	[23:43]
mircea_popescu	lol adlai i gotta remember that.	[23:43]
williamdunne	If you ask anyone how they identify in that context it seems you do not deserve much thought of you	[23:44]
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mircea_popescu	not necessarily.	[23:44]
mircea_popescu	how the fuck do i know.	[23:44]
mircea_popescu	!up WoIf`	[23:44]
-assbot-	You voiced WoIf` for 30 minutes.	[23:44]
*	assbot gives voice to WoIf`	[23:44]
williamdunne	03:37:47 - adlai: because your metabolism hasn't given it enough weight already?	[23:44]
williamdunne	http://i.imgur.com/dl09rDa.png	[23:44]
williamdunne	Its hereditary shitlord	[23:44]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1I5Giat )	[23:44]
mircea_popescu	!up mxtm	[23:45]
-assbot-	You voiced mxtm for 30 minutes.	[23:45]
*	assbot gives voice to mxtm	[23:45]
mxtm	ohayou	[23:45]
mircea_popescu	now stop derping you two and explain simply. wut ?	[23:45]
mxtm	sup, all	[23:45]
mxtm	oh, well WoIf` is imitating Wolf`	[23:45]
mxtm	also spamming w/ hatred of me, yadda yadda	[23:45]
mircea_popescu	who are you.	[23:45]
mxtm	i'm mxtm	[23:45]
williamdunne	How do you identify?	[23:45]
mircea_popescu	!gettrust mxtm	[23:45]
mxtm	you don't really know me, but, hi	[23:45]
assbot	Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user mxtm: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. \| http://w.b-a.link/trust/mircea_popescu/mxtm \| http://w.b-a.link/user/mxtm	[23:45]
mircea_popescu	well... that's not much.	[23:46]
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mxtm	damn wait what	[23:46]
mxtm	i have way more than that	[23:46]
williamdunne	;;gettrust mxtm	[23:46]
gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask mxtm!mxtm@azraq.mxtm.me. Trust relationship from user williamdunne to user mxtm: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=williamdunne&dest=mxtm \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mxtm \| Rated since: Tue Mar 4 14:35:10 2014	[23:46]
mxtm	yeah homm unrated me and tim-tams and me trading was a WHILE ago lol	[23:46]
mircea_popescu	"i am a guy who walks alone, and gets so excited if anyone mentions him that he even knows this happened".	[23:46]
mircea_popescu	you got any idea how many redditards/twitterwhatevers/etc run arround spamming hatred of me ?	[23:47]
mxtm	i've heard i think	[23:47]
mircea_popescu	so relax, who cares.	[23:47]
williamdunne	I hate to confess, but a year ago I would have done that	[23:47]
mxtm	done what?	[23:48]
mircea_popescu	you still do the vague that. that what.	[23:48]
williamdunne	Been a redditard spewing hatred towards you (mircea)	[23:48]
mircea_popescu	ah.	[23:48]
mxtm	also, why does assbot have super out of date rating info on me	[23:48]
williamdunne	Assbot uses a different WoT	[23:48]
mircea_popescu	because the two wots split early 2015 basically.	[23:49]
mxtm	oh i see, the wiki or whatever didn't mention that	[23:49]
mxtm	or what i read from it	[23:49]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120642 @ 0.00028915 = 34.8836 BTC [+] {2}	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	i suppose we're still hoping this may be cured with info exchange at some point.	[23:50]
mxtm	yeh, how do i get properly in with the assbot WoT?	[23:50]
williamdunne	!register	[23:51]
assbot	Nick williamdunne is already taken.	[23:51]
mxtm	!register	[23:51]
assbot	Nick mxtm is already taken.	[23:51]
williamdunne	!register	[23:51]
assbot	Nick williamdunne is already taken.	[23:51]
mxtm	!register 33469F806B4FC09D4B06CB17D22859C77EF7256D	[23:51]
assbot	Nick mxtm is already taken.	[23:51]
mxtm	... ugh	[23:51]
mircea_popescu	pm it !up	[23:52]
williamdunne	Oh yeah, it has info from bitcoin-otc	[23:52]
mxtm	33469F806B4FC09D4B06CB17D22859C77EF7256D,	[23:52]
mxtm	sorry You need a better WoT rating for self-up. (level 2 with assbot >0)	[23:52]
mircea_popescu	right.	[23:52]
adlai	!gettrust mxtm	[23:52]
assbot	Trust relationship from user adlai to user mxtm: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. \| http://w.b-a.link/trust/adlai/mxtm \| http://w.b-a.link/user/mxtm	[23:52]
mxtm	;;gettrust adlai	[23:52]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mxtm to user adlai: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mxtm&dest=adlai \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=adlai \| Rated since: Sat Oct 11 10:15:58 2014	[23:52]
adlai	mxtm: make sure you're talking to assbot, for this channel. gribble does authentication for #bitcoin-otc	[23:54]
mxtm	yes, i was	[23:54]
mxtm	i know	[23:54]
mxtm	so is there no hope for me to register with assbot then	[23:56]
mxtm	because my nick is "already taken"	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	you don't need to register. you are registered already, and it knows this.	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	you will be able to self-voice once you are in its wot.	[23:56]
mxtm	on gribble or on assbot or on both	[23:57]
williamdunne	Both	[23:57]
adlai	since http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=31-01-2015#1000367 this is good enough for now	[23:57]
assbot	Logged on 31-01-2015 21:36:37; mircea_popescu: the city never sleeps	[23:57]
williamdunne	Using the same GPG key	[23:57]
*	adlai needs to though.	[23:57]
mxtm	i am using the same gpg key	[23:57]
williamdunne	yes	[23:57]
williamdunne	But you aren't within two steps in trust of assbot	[23:58]
williamdunne	!gettrust assbot mxtm	[23:58]
assbot	Trust relationship from user assbot to user mxtm: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. \| http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/mxtm \| http://w.b-a.link/user/mxtm	[23:58]
williamdunne	!gettrust assbot williamdunne	[23:58]
assbot	Trust relationship from user assbot to user williamdunne: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. \| http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/williamdunne \| http://w.b-a.link/user/williamdunne	[23:58]

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