Forum logs for 12 Apr 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: my first gig out of school was at an abominable usg-contracting salt mine where little gurlz straight out of mit, for that fact alone, were promoted, repeatedly, over everyone else's head [00:00]
asciilifeform revoltingly studious think-in-the box bitches, just as you might imagine [00:01]
* ben_vulpes can readily see it [00:01]
ben_vulpes i studied with many of the like. getting them to think outside of the box was not worth the time as there was no prerequisite dicksucking going along with it. [00:02]
asciilifeform it was even more of a circus: [00:02]
asciilifeform as you may know, i live nowhere near mit. there were two offices. one, in cambridge, contained these masturbators, where they played with (largely nonfunctional) robots all day. whereas ours did the - predominantly deadly boring - work which actually paid the bills. [00:03]
asciilifeform but enough of salt mines. i mention it because it was my first wake-up call that something happened to the mythical 'mecca' which i respected for 'having produced lisp machine and sicp' [00:04]
asciilifeform before this, i only knew of mit at all from books. [00:04]
asciilifeform it was a quasi-mythological animal in my mind, like library of alexandria [00:05]
asciilifeform *not sole player in recycled food [00:06]
decimation asciilifeform: example of such an mit gurl > [00:06]
assbot how to make almost anything ... ( ) [00:06]
asciilifeform decimation: no shortage of these [00:07]
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decimation she apparently spends her time coming up with python code to control motors [00:07]
decimation as a 'graduate student' [00:07]
asciilifeform decimation: have you -met- a modern graduate student ? [00:07]
asciilifeform if the code is not plagiarized wholesale, this puts her above 99% of'em. [00:08]
decimation heh good point [00:08]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: the most that'll happen is that you'll get patches regendering the codebase. mircea_popescu: and if you don't put them in, hell, you'll sit and wodner why is it eliezer potterboy "gets funding" << a large part of the purpose of current mit is to produce the folks who will produce these patches. [00:11]
asciilifeform they are not, as someone might suppose, dead weight; [00:11]
asciilifeform rather, they are politruks. [00:11]
asciilifeform and there is to be one in every office, lab, bus, train, - elevator. [00:12]
asciilifeform never out of earshot of a Party member. [00:12]
felipelalli mircea_popescu: I love this article: do you keep this opinion? [00:12]
assbot Guidance : There Is No Such Thing As Bitcoin Taint. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [00:12]
asciilifeform ;;isup [00:13]
gribble is down [00:13]
felipelalli it's not just you! looks down from here. [00:13]
assbot Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [00:13]
asciilifeform felipelalli: it was unplugged (see mircea_popescu's explanation last night) and evidently not yet rehosted. [00:14]
felipelalli asciilifeform: thanks. [00:16]
felipelalli !gettrust asciilifeform [00:16]
assbot Trust relationship from user felipelalli to user asciilifeform: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 7 via 6 connections. | | [00:16]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: and aspires to a job to be obtained through an interview with hr. << i have never once found work through an 'hr'. this is not uncommon among my meatwot. (not a magical feat by any means at any rate.) [00:17]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what are your current thoughts on initial nodes for RI's running on the pogo? << the initial nodes must be us. [00:19]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: can't speak for others, but i refuse to consider the leaking turd usable in any sense whatsoever. [00:20]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 160000 @ 0.00029166 = 46.6656 BTC [-] {2} [00:22]
asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: << why?!>!!? [00:23]
assbot masamune/conkeror.lisp at master · gabriel-laddel/masamune · GitHub ... ( ) [00:23]
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mircea_popescu Is the source for the WoT available? << if you mean, how to interact with assbot ? it's in wiki. [00:25]
mircea_popescu !h [00:25]
assbot [00:25]
mircea_popescu << not that bad if you're black, tho. [00:27]
assbot Logged on 12-04-2015 02:29:20; asciilifeform: but i presently believe that it is the -duty- of any literate man of science today to despise mit and everything it now stands for, just as, e.g., an honest historian or anthropologist must despise harvard. [00:27]
decimation ben_vulpes: looks like they rolled ERC into the new emacs (24.5) [00:28]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ? [00:28]
assbot Logged on 01-10-2014 11:58:20; mircea_popescu: if i were black in the us i would be fucking worried for my children. being ~10% of the population and >50% of the public discourse is how the hasidim suddenly disappeared from history. [00:28]
mircea_popescu << one of the brightest minds in an XX body i ever met had finished her thesis under romania's most inept "logician", cca 1988. the woman was not significantly harmed by a half decade's internship with that bootmaker in disguise. [00:29]
assbot Logged on 12-04-2015 02:31:41; asciilifeform: what kind of respect does either 'top student' deserve ? [00:29]
mircea_popescu the thing is, romania at the time had a very specific atmosphere, one that protected such people in such situaitons like al oxides protect the al. [00:29]
asciilifeform happens! [00:29]
asciilifeform i, for instance, happen to believe that soviet mathematics will not be equalled for the next 500 years. [00:30]
asciilifeform (yes, pulled number from my prophetic sphincter.) [00:30]
asciilifeform and it worked on precisely this 'oxide' principle. [00:30]
mircea_popescu which is why despising mit as a group is so important : people who despise their inept professors may survive them even when forced by events to work there. [00:30]
* asciilifeform can only with great difficulty picture anyone 'forced' to partake of mit, but allows for the sake of argument. [00:31]
mircea_popescu similarly, but in the other direction, abject slaves that nevertheless unwholesomely despise their superior masters remain abject irrespective of time spent in slavery thereof. [00:31]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform so don't have children. problem solved. [00:31]
* asciilifeform thinks it will be a hilarious cosmic joke if the sharashka he is worked to death in happens to be built at mit. [00:32]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: which problem [00:32]
mircea_popescu seems only fare. i mean fire. i mean pharoh. [00:32]
mircea_popescu fair, whatever. [00:32]
mircea_popescu the children problem. ten lines up. [00:32]
asciilifeform aha that one. [00:33]
asciilifeform i would observe that everyone presently in good favour of usg by virtue of their 'passport data' - skin, gonads, etc. - runs the risk of ending up weimar-jewed [00:34]
asciilifeform if events take a sudden turn. [00:34]
mircea_popescu ironically, the jewish situation... oh gawd. at the time of the holocaust, the hasidim were arguably the most advanced troop in the world. certainly > 90% of jewry by cultural and intellectual weight, if 50% or so by mass. for all the squalor of the old manhattan, which is what eastern europe was, the place rocked. [00:34]
mircea_popescu then the nazis wiped them, modern jewry is in this situation where someone cut the flower, kept the stalk in a vase. [00:34]
mircea_popescu not only very very sad as it decays... but also mindboggling. [00:35]
asciilifeform is the last yidish newspaper in brooklyn out of print yet? [00:35]
mircea_popescu either a decade ago or a decade hence, but yeah. [00:35]
* asciilifeform was last there in '01, shortly pre-bigboom, and it was in business [00:35]
asciilifeform mainly shipped to old folks' homes though [00:36]
mircea_popescu yeah, but in 2001 you could not find a better newspaper in new york. [00:36]
mircea_popescu and that was 2001. long, long before the greenwaldization, long long before the pr-intern and dumb-blonde-chick-from-minessota that eventually yielded its own bastardized meta-story eventually apotheosized in that horseface dumbass... [00:37]
mircea_popescu pretty decayed, yes, but nowhere near today's. [00:37]
asciilifeform the seeds of all of it were not only in the ground, but long sprouted and budding leaves. [00:38]
mircea_popescu sure, no argument. nevertheless, there was still ground. [00:38]
asciilifeform al schwartz observed the signs in '94 up [00:38]
mircea_popescu and on that ground that there was, nyt could not compete. [00:38]
mircea_popescu funny that newspapers survived mad koontz but did not survive vint cerf. [00:39]
mircea_popescu btw, was here ? i forget. [00:39]
assbot Google's Vint Cerf warns of 'digital Dark Age' - BBC News ... ( ) [00:40]
asciilifeform iirc [00:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116387 @ 0.00028979 = 33.7278 BTC [-] {2} [00:40]
asciilifeform insulting to the intelligence of anyone who watched google usenet archive decay [00:41]
mircea_popescu << it's a draft, eh. [00:41]
assbot Logged on 12-04-2015 02:36:29; asciilifeform: to envision a 'wave of the future' that includes c and unix - entirely other. [00:41]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform what, you think usenet was salvageable ?! [00:41]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: hybrid of oxcart and airplane, where we progressively remove pieces of the ox yoke - uninteresting to me. [00:41]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: salvageable in the preserve-in-ice sense [00:41]
mircea_popescu ok, one at a time. [00:42]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i am at this point convinced that google killed it deliberately. [00:42]
whaack to end the discussion of mit O, "MIT Technology Review" [00:42]
assbot Bitcoin Lacks the Properties of a Real Currency | MIT Technology Review ... ( ) [00:42]
mircea_popescu the guy's draft : nothing has been construted. let him draw. [00:42]
asciilifeform the folks who were making fools of themselves on usenet now want to be usg brass [00:42]
asciilifeform so it was time to desaparecer the spew. [00:42]
mircea_popescu the usenet : you can not "preserve in ice". this requires two naive presupositions : one that the text is self contained, the other that the text is fixed. neither is true. [00:42]
mircea_popescu much like any living organism, the text can only be interpreted in its environment (here - the people who wrote it), and only as a functional, living thing. [00:43]
mircea_popescu otherwise... [00:43]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: fact is, there was a pretty useful and fairly complete snapshot in the ice. and now i look in the cryostat and find rotting gibblets and alive with flies. [00:43]
asciilifeform there were no flies before. [00:43]
mircea_popescu this is true of the lenin mausoleum as well. [00:43]
asciilifeform and -considerably- more flesh [00:43]
mircea_popescu it is a property of the ice. [00:43]
asciilifeform and the process was -not- continuous, as in lenin's case. [00:43]
mircea_popescu the perceptible part was not. [00:44]
asciilifeform the thing stopped being searchable roughly two years ago. [00:44]
mircea_popescu again - the supposition that the entire text is given in itself is naive. [00:44]
mircea_popescu just as much a part of it is invisible, and that invisibly decayed. [00:44]
asciilifeform i have copies of several groups day-by-day of own making. [00:44]
asciilifeform google's snapshot was 99+%, for them. [00:44]
mircea_popescu they only exist because you saved the unsaveable as well, [00:44]
mircea_popescu if unintentionally. [00:44]
asciilifeform unsaveable lol [00:44]
mircea_popescu myeah. [00:45]
mircea_popescu think in variety speak terms. for it's what it is. [00:45]
asciilifeform if what mircea_popescu is alluding to is that the design of usenet allowed for the possibility of 'parallel universes' where folks carry on a conversation that never reached my server - then yes. [00:45]
asciilifeform it is true. [00:45]
mircea_popescu not in the slightest. [00:45]
mircea_popescu what i am saying is that preconceived notions must be shared, for the text to be readable. these preconceptions melted. [00:46]
asciilifeform 'xxxx is not yet dead, while we still live' (TM) [00:46]
mircea_popescu careful with that "we". [00:46]
mircea_popescu it does not mean what it appears to mean. [00:46]
asciilifeform well, just me. [00:46]
mircea_popescu well, so there you have it. [00:46]
mircea_popescu everyone that can read it may keep a copy, and no one else. [00:46]
mircea_popescu however they may try. [00:47]
mircea_popescu and by "can read it" i mean, of course, "could have written it" [00:47]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: let's suppose. then, when precisely did the flame go out ? [00:47]
mircea_popescu probably dotcom bust rattled enough of the people that they wanted to forget. [00:48]
asciilifeform i mean, i grasp that mircea_popescu is referring to cultural death. [00:48]
mircea_popescu it may be that they wanted to forget for the reason you suspect, but i do not think so. [00:48]
mircea_popescu rarely do people wish to forget for a purpose. it's almost always for a cause [00:48]
mircea_popescu and that cause almost always is, "i can not believe how stupid i've been" [00:48]
asciilifeform the 'digital vellum' think is maddening precisely because of the idiot scholasticism implied [00:49]
mircea_popescu myeah. [00:49]
mircea_popescu he's going to freeze the text AND THE OS dontcha know. [00:49]
asciilifeform sorta like the monks who copied geometric tracts without any comprehension at all, or any regard for the actual content [00:49]
asciilifeform but only the pretty pictures, perverted to taste [00:49]
mircea_popescu tyvm. meanwhile, i can't fucking remember where the tread on X is. so what do i do ? i ask here. and someone remembers and links. [00:49]
mircea_popescu freeze that. [00:49]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 180400 @ 0.00028431 = 51.2895 BTC [-] {3} [00:49]
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assbot Capitol Hill locked down as gunman shoots himself - BBC News ... ( ) [00:51]
asciilifeform mega-l0l [00:51]
mircea_popescu the problem with ascii being like naughty bits is merely a reflection of the much larger problem : everything about a text is like that. by itself. [00:51]
asciilifeform i walked right by, saw no more than the usual amount of stormtroopers. [00:51]
mircea_popescu introducing the gossipd style of comms changes nothing at all, merely makes this divide palpable, like that famous japanese butcher's following of the lines already there. [00:51]
mircea_popescu otherwise, the same string from different hands is different, irreducibly. [00:51]
mircea_popescu links right into why one can't have "ideas" and all that. [00:51]
mircea_popescu incidentally, why do they not say "gunmanorwoman" ? [00:52]
asciilifeform l0l guess. [00:53]
mircea_popescu "Confirmed: self-inflicted gunshot by neutralized subject," Capital Police spokeswoman Kimberly Schneider said in a statement. [00:53]
mircea_popescu uh... [00:53]
mircea_popescu this language... [00:53]
asciilifeform my mental image was inevitably a hog-tied fella, extracting a little pistol from his arse houdini-style, to end it all and avoid the torture chambers. [00:54]
mircea_popescu i thought houdini couldn't get it up. [00:54]
* asciilifeform not familiar with this detail. [00:56]
mircea_popescu << arbalest. [00:56]
assbot Logged on 12-04-2015 02:47:09; asciilifeform: how to take out sentry in any way that doesn't count as 'hand' ? [00:56]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: or these well-known items, [00:57]
assbot Современное стрелковое оружие мира - Специальные Российские патроны ... ( ) [00:57]
asciilifeform ^ produced even today. [00:57]
mircea_popescu for the obvious reason. bette than a knife [00:57]
mircea_popescu in fact, most sentires do not even realise they've been shot at if you miss before you reload. [00:58]
asciilifeform subsonic, aha. [00:58]
mircea_popescu and anyone (tm) should be able to sever a cervical spine at twenty paces. [00:59]
asciilifeform << original, afaik, example of the principle. [00:59]
assbot ... ( ) [00:59]
mircea_popescu << stanford is the patriotic one. [01:01]
assbot Logged on 12-04-2015 02:52:11; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i've not your experience nor your eloquence on the topic of MIT, but I do know they waste oodles of money via usg 'science', supply the meatrobots responsible for breaking everything, and glorify the breaking of everything under the auspices of 'patriotism'. [01:01]
asciilifeform in gurevich's system, there was no iron piston, as in the later 'СП'. instead, there was a small quantity of... water. [01:01]
mircea_popescu mit is the "for the economy" one. [01:01]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: actually mit subdivision 'lincoln labs' - and several smaller orgs - serve top tier .mil and intelligence contractors. [01:02]
mircea_popescu also for the economy. [01:02]
asciilifeform what then happens in the 'patriotic' zoo ? [01:02]
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mircea_popescu mmm... obama. [01:02]
mircea_popescu see, they're all selling the same snake oil, but! harvard is "for humanity', stanford is "patriotism", mit is "for the economy", the chicks one whatever it's called is "for the arts" etc. [01:03]
mircea_popescu and speaking of the muppet in chief : anyone ever recall that embarassment when he was calling himself a "professor of constitution" while having been a lecturer, so eventually chicago came out with "he was REGARDED as a professor" ? [01:07]
mircea_popescu uniquely kim-il-nigger moment. [01:07]
asciilifeform 9 of 10 street schmucks will say he was professor. [01:07]
asciilifeform because 'grey lady' said. [01:08]
asciilifeform and this kind of thing is not retractable. [01:08]
mircea_popescu yes, sure. fuck them, who cares what the cattle "thinks". [01:08]
mircea_popescu but the point is... lemme find it. [01:08]
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assbot Media Inquiries | University of Chicago Law School ... ( ) [01:09]
mircea_popescu "From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School. He was a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track. The title of Senior Lecturer is d [01:09]
mircea_popescu istinct from the title of Lecturer, which signifies adjunct status. Like Obama, each of the Law School's Senior Lecturers has high-demand careers in politics or public service, which prevent full-time teaching. Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, Obama was invited to join the faculty in a full-time tenure-track position, but he declined." [01:09]
asciilifeform mr mold found (and then retracted, somehow) some fairly convincing evidence that mr o never actually attended classes, as student [01:09]
asciilifeform no one cares. [01:09]
mircea_popescu see... that random schmuck doesn't know which side his nose is blown is one thing. [01:09]
mircea_popescu when the necks are [self]squeezed to the point a supposed "law school" publishes that tripe it is ANOTHER thing. [01:09]
mircea_popescu i prefer to refer to that other thing as kim-il-nigger. seems adequate. [01:09]
mircea_popescu "he is what he might have been had he been it". how about that ? insanity rampant. [01:10]
asciilifeform aha. the question of whether elena actually thought that being a chemist is being what she was, and mr o - professor of law, i will leave to the shrinks [01:10]
mircea_popescu i suspect the old woman was the sane of the two. [01:11]
asciilifeform (al schwartz, incidentally, was quite fascinated with elena c. and her 'chemistry' in much the same way i am) [01:11]
mircea_popescu i can't imagine why ? [01:11]
asciilifeform i imagine he found it uniquely galling [01:11]
mircea_popescu i suppose neither of you ever kept whores ? [01:11]
asciilifeform no idea what he kept [01:11]
asciilifeform i've none [01:11]
mircea_popescu it's a very simple thing : whores are, in point of fact, for the fact of having been whores, superior to "mere women", ie, the usual vanilla nitwit. this is a fact, incontrovertible as the fact that the sun is glowier than the moon. [01:12]
mircea_popescu however, the nitwits are a) abundant and b) firmly convinced of the contrary. [01:12]
mircea_popescu thus whore always finds herself in the position where the cheapest avenue is to ask master for a hammer to shut the dumbasses up. [01:12]
mircea_popescu she always receives. [01:12]
mircea_popescu as she always should. [01:13]
mircea_popescu elena is in no way different from evita, on this score. [01:13]
* asciilifeform wonders if 'whore' means the customary thing, to mircea_popescu, or if it is a mistranslation of something [01:13]
mircea_popescu whore is a woman who has sex like a man. [01:13]
asciilifeform i am told that there are men who have sex for pay [01:13]
asciilifeform but never met alive. [01:14]
mircea_popescu eh, that's a corner case. most men don't need to be paid to fuck. [01:14]
mircea_popescu heck, you can just throw some printed sheets out of a car going "gangbang at X address" and you'll get a queue [01:14]
mircea_popescu or at least could a while back. mebbe world's changed, who knows. [01:14]
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mircea_popescu anyway, it is at best naive to imagine whore is whore "because the money". not so. whore does not give a shit, at which point might as well be paid. because - queue. has to be sorted somehow. [01:15]
asciilifeform so, much as 'software' to naggum et al means something quite other than what it means to the schmuck who goes to the 'computer shop' to buy antivirus etc.; [01:16]
asciilifeform 'whore' means very other thing to mircea_popescu than to the folks back on planet 3 [01:16]
mircea_popescu what'd be the difference ? [01:16]
asciilifeform when i land on mars i would like to meet these ! [01:16]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: where i live, at least to the 'street computer shop' level of apprehension, a whore is an abject and usually physically revolting creature who fellates what may well be gorillas for a hit of 'crack' [01:17]
mircea_popescu well... that'd be a crack whore. [01:17]
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decimation re: obaama < he has an actual history, some one knows it [01:18]
mircea_popescu yeah, i suppose if by "programmer" you meant "web programmer"... [01:18]
asciilifeform the other whore, is a college gurl who occasionally 'dates' old man in exchange for tuition money. [01:18]
mircea_popescu that's usually the amateur. [01:18]
mircea_popescu in this sense, i'm a coder because i ocasionally edit html o.O [01:18]
asciilifeform everything else re: whores may as well be at nsa in the vaults, as far as my incomplete education is concerned. [01:18]
mircea_popescu and you will notice that even as an amateur - she ALSO charges for queing, ie, after the fact. [01:18]
mircea_popescu she fucks old men because she fucks old men. [01:18]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the normal rationale is 'we rob banks because that's where the money is' [01:19]
mircea_popescu once she does that, might as well pick a good one. [01:19]
asciilifeform when she runs into young man with money - goes there. [01:19]
mircea_popescu not so. [01:19]
mircea_popescu generally can not stand young man, irrespective of money. [01:19]
asciilifeform 'young' being 10 yrs. her senior, rather than 35. [01:19]
mircea_popescu "fucking idiots - the lot of them". exact quote. heard xn [01:19]
mircea_popescu ah. no young being her age. anyway. [01:20]
asciilifeform ^ this - yes. [01:20]
asciilifeform even i knew this. [01:20]
mircea_popescu one thing i don't think anyone can blame the whorish co-ed for, not getting involved with the bros. [01:20]
decimation bill ayers knows but is not talking [01:20]
asciilifeform decimation: i saw ayers alive once - public talk. it was quite an experience. [01:21]
mircea_popescu or with the - horror of horrors - sensitive, lonely, loving geek. [01:21]
asciilifeform or with goats, sheep [01:21]
mircea_popescu "Calling Bill Ayers a school reformer is a bit like calling Joseph Stalin an agricultural reformer." << that ayers ? [01:22]
asciilifeform that one. [01:22]
mircea_popescu you know he was at ows ? [01:22]
decimation aye [01:22]
asciilifeform he was in quite a few places. [01:23]
mircea_popescu most nobody knew who he was. so fucking funny this shit, whenever something happened, the us "public intellectual" has to show up [01:23]
mircea_popescu it's funnier (to me) than the old soviet confusion. [01:23]
decimation he supposedly wrote obamas book [01:23]
mircea_popescu the one on polymers ? [01:23]
* asciilifeform always feels temptation to snip a letter, 'pubic intellectual' [01:23]
mircea_popescu wait, wrong whore. [01:23]
mircea_popescu what was it on ? [01:23]
asciilifeform l0l [01:23]
decimation 'dreams of my father' [01:24]
mircea_popescu obama didn't know his father ? [01:24]
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asciilifeform overwhelming evidence that he did not. [01:24]
mircea_popescu color me a shade of surprised. [01:25]
mircea_popescu hm... i guess in the context "color me" is a faux pas ? [01:25]
asciilifeform << entirely unrelated but mega-l0l for connoisseurs of crackpottery (psychoceramics!) [01:29]
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decimation as I recall moldbug once linked to some pretty convincing evidence re:ayers wrote obama's autobiography [01:32]
asciilifeform decimation: aha. shortly after this i wondered wtf even to care. [01:33]
decimation "In To Teach, Ayers recounts the story of an ambitious teacher who takes her students out to the streets of New York to learn about its culture and history. These students ask to see the nearby Hudson River. When they get to the river's edge, one student says, " Look, the river is flowing up." A second student says, "No, it has to flow south-down." Upon further research, the teacher discovers "that the Hudson River is a tidal river, [01:34]
decimation that it flows both north and south, and they had visited the exact spot where the tide stops its northward push." " [01:34]
decimation "In Dreams, written two years later, Obama takes an unlikely detour to the exact spot on the parallel East River where the north-flowing tide meets the south-flowing river. There, improbably, a young black boy approaches this strange man and asks, "You know why sometimes the river runs that way and then sometimes it goes this way?" Obama tells the boy it "had to do with the tides." " [01:34]
decimation [01:34]
assbot Articles: Who Wrote Dreams and Why It Matters ... ( ) [01:34]
asciilifeform when the idea of ghostwriting is even thinkable, we know we're dealing with a class of muppets. [01:35]
asciilifeform which muppet wrote what - is approximately as interesting, imho, as which nigerian spammer penned which particular spam template. [01:35]
decimation asciilifeform: it seems the idea of 'not ghostwriting' is unthinkable with modern political types [01:35]
asciilifeform these people do not even -have- identities [01:36]
decimation I find it fascinating that a human can be invented from whole cloth, and then inserted into the political ladder [01:36]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform imagine reading a book ghostwritten for me. [01:37]
asciilifeform l0l [01:37]
mircea_popescu "wrote for mp by xxx" [01:37]
mircea_popescu i think i'd read it lol. [01:37]
asciilifeform decimation: pelevin had an sf story about a team of folks who create politicians, 'public intellectuals', 'most wanted terrorists', etc. from whole cloth for mankind. [01:37]
asciilifeform complete with 3d films [01:38]
mircea_popescu the latter is the fbi neh [01:38]
asciilifeform it was turned into a very passable film, 'generation p' [01:38]
asciilifeform ('поколение п') [01:38]
asciilifeform mega-recommended, lulzy. [01:38]
asciilifeform there is a set of english subs floating about. [01:38]
asciilifeform i do not think there is a better film version of the ru 1990s that 'p'. [01:39]
asciilifeform *than [01:39]
decimation asciilifeform: did you ever watch 'the president's analyst''? [01:40]
asciilifeform nope [01:40]
asciilifeform but it is on list [01:40]
asciilifeform i recall it was mentioned. [01:40]
decimation it's amusing as well [01:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100550 @ 0.00029818 = 29.982 BTC [+] [01:43]
asciilifeform also unrelated, the ESP8266 mentioned last night is a very interesting item. [01:45]
asciilifeform $1 or so in quantity. [01:45]
mircea_popescu it is isn't it [01:46]
asciilifeform ~50MHz 32-bit (oddball architecture) cpu, tcp/ip implemented in hardware, can address via spi (as in sd card) external eeprom. [01:46]
asciilifeform if i had any reason to believe that these did not have magic-packet anal hole circuits, i'd be buying by the kilogram. [01:46]
mircea_popescu so fuzz them! [01:47]
mircea_popescu all scripted, yeah ? [01:47]
mircea_popescu i recall someone telling me... [01:47]
asciilifeform 'testing can prove existence but not absence...' [01:47]
mircea_popescu lol [01:47]
mircea_popescu i9t's still not a bad thing to drop a paycheck into. [01:48]
asciilifeform very much leads into the ancient dream of 'p2p relay you can superglue to undersides of parked cars and other vandalisms' [01:49]
asciilifeform - run on thermal gradient [01:49]
mircea_popescu yup. [01:49]
asciilifeform for open air applications - solar+supercap [01:49]
mircea_popescu it WOULD run on the gradient of exhaust [01:49]
asciilifeform etc. [01:49]
asciilifeform certainly would [01:50]
mircea_popescu because 70mW and fast wake [01:50]
asciilifeform when vehicle is parked, on gradient b/w ground and cooling engine. [01:50]
mircea_popescu moreover, put a cap in it anyway. [01:50]
asciilifeform (the wild cats in my neighbourhood run on this energy) [01:50]
mircea_popescu lmao [01:50]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform incidentally : best way to find out of magic packeted or not - actually deploy it as p2p relay as described. once wash dc is full of them you'll find out alright. [01:51]
asciilifeform futher in the 'vandal' theme, i will point out that it is not difficult to build a very cheap apparatus for climbing up walls with a few dozen grams' payload, quickly. [01:51]
asciilifeform climb up, then break tube of cyanoacrylate glue. [01:52]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i can more easily imagine a 'jobs program' where monkeys with triangulolocators climb walls and scrape by hand. [01:52]
decimation asciilifeform: one trouble is that open wifi is not easy to find these days [01:52]
asciilifeform i will also add that we have an even odder curiosity here. an ancient, possibly first-of-its-kind wireless net called 'ricochet' [01:53]
asciilifeform consists of small gadgets attached to light poles [01:53]
asciilifeform the firm went thoroughly broke, through - iirc - embezzlement - long, long ago [01:53]
asciilifeform in late '90s [01:53]
asciilifeform but the boxes still work! [01:53]
decimation asciilifeform: I've seen something similar to old 'ricochet' network: wireless meter reading nodes [01:53]
asciilifeform there are a dozen just within range of where i sit now [01:53]
asciilifeform they answer pings [01:53]
asciilifeform decimation: where i live meters have gsm modems. [01:53]
decimation asciilifeform: that's one form, but some use 'mesh networking' [01:54]
asciilifeform << ricochet modem [01:55]
assbot ... ( ) [01:55]
asciilifeform << the repeaters. [01:56]
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decimation asciilifeform: what would be useful wrt this ESP8266 would be if one could modify the waveforms it used [01:56]
asciilifeform the backhaul nodes which connected these things to the ordinary net, naturally died years and years ago. [01:56]
asciilifeform decimation: aha. as it is, it is very much pegged into the traditional 2.4G band. [01:56]
asciilifeform << historical. [01:57]
decimation it would be amusing to toy with 'ricochet' [01:57]
* asciilifeform was, for a while anyway, the owner of a ricochet repeater which 'fell off a pole' [01:57]
asciilifeform it had a xilinx spartan 1st ed. fpga inside. and was built like a tank. [01:58]
asciilifeform you could easily drop it from airplane and would survive. [01:58]
asciilifeform virtually all of the boxes in my city - still work. [01:58]
asciilifeform and, interestingly, no one hurries to remove them. [01:59]
asciilifeform (for one thing, it is unclear who, precisely owns them, and the contract for their emplacement - iirc - was perpetual, somehow) [02:00]
decimation I wonder if some entity gobbled up those 'assets' and is preventing their removal [02:00]
asciilifeform -someone- knows. [02:00]
asciilifeform just like -someone- knows who owns that house down the street from where i sit [02:00]
decimation asciilifeform: can't you look it up in public records? [02:01]
asciilifeform but not the city, not the (long-gone) last inhabitant, nor.,,, [02:01]
asciilifeform decimation: apparently not. special sticker of 'no one knows who owns' [02:01]
asciilifeform though the last time i walked by, sticker was - gone [02:01]
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asciilifeform evidently the crown made a gift, to someone. [02:01]
asciilifeform of this broken-title 'ownership' of pirate treasure. [02:02]
asciilifeform phun phact: ricochet was non-exportable on account of fairly respectable crypto. [02:04]
asciilifeform and considerably cheaper than virtually all other net access available at the time. [02:04]
asciilifeform so it of course had to die 'because reasons.' [02:04]
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decimation as I recall, it was 'first to market' - well before mobile phone data plans were reasonably available (for non-bezzle price) [02:06]
mircea_popescu incidentally, speaking of the little toy : i wouldn't mind putting a few coins behind a project dedicating to actually creating an array of p2p relays operated "alegally" in the manner described (glued to peoplke's cars without their knowledge). [02:08]
mircea_popescu if anyone wishes to undertake it... [02:08]
mircea_popescu ima put it on trilema too, once it's back up. [02:08]
mircea_popescu this is phase 1. phase 2 is when we target all the cars ever seen parked by a nsa building. give meta-nsa something to fret about. [02:08]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i have a largely complete design for this and 5 other similar items, will confess. [02:08]
asciilifeform for some time. [02:08]
asciilifeform mega-issue with all publicly-accessible p2p (and inescapably low-capacity) nets is ddos. [02:09]
mircea_popescu let them ddos. [02:09]
mircea_popescu and feel free to publish your design on the unfairly neglected blog eh ? [02:09]
asciilifeform not even by bureaucrats, but by the first fool who loads 'youtube' [02:09]
mircea_popescu thermal power unit, + cap ? [02:10]
mircea_popescu it does not HAVE TO work with http. [02:10]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: first concept was solar, cap, and wall climber / glue. [02:10]
mircea_popescu no. thermal, cap and glue. [02:10]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: second was thermal [02:10]
mircea_popescu the parasithic nature and the strict contempt of "law" it displays are essential for its success. [02:11]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: drew this up, in some detail, in '03-04. [02:11]
asciilifeform at one point even wrote a grant proposal (laugh) suggesting use in savage lands, etc [02:11]
mircea_popescu well... it's what's happening. [02:11]
mircea_popescu la serenissima is deploying it in savage lands. [02:12]
asciilifeform spoke with al s. once re: oceanic variant [02:12]
decimation I've thought about a small mechanical generator that could be attached to a swaying tree [02:12]
asciilifeform (bottles, thermoclines) [02:12]
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mircea_popescu decimation a;lso interesting, for different situation [02:12]
mircea_popescu << mit has little credit to claim there. all socialist states produce this variety exactly. [02:13]
assbot Logged on 12-04-2015 02:56:07; asciilifeform: revoltingly studious think-in-the box bitches, just as you might imagine [02:13]
* asciilifeform knows [02:13]
asciilifeform organism inescapable for the niche [02:14]
asciilifeform like the mold that grows in public toilets [02:14]
asciilifeform somehow - same. [02:14]
decimation 'speaking power to truth' [02:15]
mircea_popescu << lawl this is for you decimation [02:16]
assbot Infosyncratic Wiki - InfosyncraticWiki ... ( ) [02:16]
mircea_popescu << you only hate her because miscegenation, i bet. [02:16]
assbot ... ( ) [02:16]
asciilifeform << commercial product, claimed. but begs question, why the pNohe is needed. [02:17]
assbot How goTenna works [02:17]
decimation is that related to that nadya peek chick [02:17]
asciilifeform to ricochet [02:17]
asciilifeform (ricochet modems could connect with one another without repeater, and i briefly searched if classical 'radiomodem' is still sold by anyone) [02:18]
mircea_popescu decimation yes. [02:18]
asciilifeform as in, gadget that directly links two machines over simple radio [02:18]
mircea_popescu < good for a chuckle. [02:19]
assbot how to make almost anything ... ( ) [02:19]
mircea_popescu "It needs to be portable, therefore battery powered." << box. [02:20]
decimation you can listen to her being interviewed by the annoying australian here: [02:20]
assbot An Interview With Nadya Peek - Gallant Gcode Gerontology | The Amp Hour Electronics Podcast ... ( ) [02:20]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: and this creature is rich, while good men die in butugychag. [02:20]
mircea_popescu so ? [02:20]
mircea_popescu fairness is not on the agenda. [02:20]
asciilifeform so. [02:20]
mircea_popescu let good men take an axe to heir head, what. [02:21]
asciilifeform 'axe-time, sword time, ...' (tm) [02:21]
mircea_popescu << you mean el/es/itevator. [02:22]
assbot Logged on 12-04-2015 03:06:58; asciilifeform: and there is to be one in every office, lab, bus, train, - elevator. [02:22]
decimation yes, this seems like perfectly satisfactory course work for a phd student in engineering/'fabbing' [02:22]
mircea_popescu also tr/br/hrain. [02:22]
mircea_popescu decimation in the endless words of george, "you will note that i am in the smaller office!" [02:23]
mircea_popescu << yes. [02:24]
assbot Logged on 12-04-2015 03:07:18; felipelalli: mircea_popescu: I love this article: do you keep this opinion? [02:24]
mircea_popescu << well, i hired (and paid, upfront) two different hosts. neither has managed to provisdion server yet. [02:24]
assbot Logged on 12-04-2015 03:08:43; asciilifeform: felipelalli: it was unplugged (see mircea_popescu's explanation last night) and evidently not yet rehosted. [02:24]
mircea_popescu anyway, im sure htey'll get around to it eventually. [02:25]
mircea_popescu << you read the bit about why lisp company failed btw ? [02:26]
assbot Logged on 12-04-2015 03:14:45; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: can't speak for others, but i refuse to consider the leaking turd usable in any sense whatsoever. [02:26]
asciilifeform which bit [02:26]
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decimation re: smaller office < note that one disadvantage that mit has is that because they are taken superficially as 'the hotness', they probably encounter very little negative feedback on obviously fucktarded behavior [02:27]
mircea_popescu linked here today [02:27]
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* asciilifeform up to date with log, but is not certain what is being spoken of [02:29]
decimation asciilifeform: re: gotenna < yeah I don't get why phone is needed either. why not simple 4 line lcd with 'thumb keyboard'? [02:29]
mircea_popescu 1 sec lemme dig it out [02:29]
asciilifeform did someone link to the ancient 'symbolics, death of heterogeneous engineering' essay ? and i didn't notice [02:29]
asciilifeform decimation: because 'reasons.' [02:29]
decimation also, it appears to be vaporware [02:30]
asciilifeform decimation: can't say, i did not try to buy it [02:30]
decimation also I'm not sure that the rf band they are using is actually legal for that purpose [02:30]
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asciilifeform wasn't even able to find immediately what they claimed to use. [02:31]
asciilifeform lost interest quickly after seeing the pNohe [02:31]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes that one. [02:31]
assbot ... ( ) [02:31]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ancient paper [02:31]
asciilifeform not entirely wrong, either [02:32]
mircea_popescu so is the ancient failure it discusses. [02:32]
asciilifeform but incomplete picture. [02:32]
mircea_popescu "(4) When I was on the front line, trying to sell Lispms, we had a major problem. I'd try to sell Lispms to friends and former associates that cost a minimum of $90K, and generally $105K out-the-door. They were typically given $120K to buy computers. This left them with a choice of purchasing 1 Symbolics machine or 3 Xerox Dolphins. They generally selected the 3 Dolphins. Our cost for the keyboard was $3,200 and our co [02:32]
mircea_popescu st for the monitor screen was $8K (at least that was what I was told). My recollection was that the manufacturing cost of a Symbolics machine was over $40K. Hence, about one-third of the cost of a machine was the keyboard, mouse, and display. I told people within Symbolics to consider using a dumb display as the front-end (something like a Datapoint terminal). I can remember one employee telling me something like "if p [02:32]
mircea_popescu eople can't appreciate why the machine is the way it is then they're stupid." Unfortunately, the potential buyers desired (drooled) to have them but few could afford them." [02:32]
mircea_popescu compare and contrast with [02:32]
decimation in order to sell such a thing legally in the us, you must explictly gain usg's permission, after suitably demonstrating that it works as claimed [02:32]
mircea_popescu [02:32]
assbot Logged on 12-04-2015 03:14:45; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: can't speak for others, but i refuse to consider the leaking turd usable in any sense whatsoever. [02:32]
mircea_popescu decimation and if you don't care to "sell it legally" what happens ? [02:33]
mircea_popescu they gonna send some agents to confiscate imaginary bitcoin which then doesn't exist because "the agents stole it" ? [02:33]
asciilifeform depends on whether anyone buys. [02:33]
mircea_popescu i don't think anyone directly realises what epic self decapitation the dpr was for the usg. [02:33]
decimation mircea_popescu: fcc can and has send agents to seize your supply of device [02:33]
asciilifeform or more elementarily, they confiscate the usd with which you are to buy rent and food. [02:34]
mircea_popescu what agent is EVER going to wish to go work on a case where the emperor has dclared "huge value", wioth the full knowlerdge that if the value is somehoiw missing he will be imputed it anyway ? [02:34]
asciilifeform and then go and enjoy. [02:34]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i've not actyually used a bank since i'm here. [02:34]
mircea_popescu enjoying it fine. [02:34]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu does not need bank aboard atomic dirigible [02:34]
asciilifeform why would he. [02:34]
mircea_popescu you know, that dirigible is mostly an urban legend ? [02:35]
decimation we little folk need usd to survive [02:35]
mircea_popescu notably, i once picked up a us chick who at the time was engaged to be married. [02:35]
mircea_popescu guy declared "golden helicopter" [02:35]
mircea_popescu decimation cash comes in all denominations. [02:35]
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asciilifeform guy declared "golden helicopter" << i bet savages do believe that an airplane flies on account of some compact talisman contained therein [02:36]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform ikr ? [02:36]
mircea_popescu i was pretty amused at the notion, on multiple fronts. [02:37]
asciilifeform it isn't even strictly false - go pull out a wire [02:37]
decimation mircea_popescu: I suspect that many usians go their whole life without touching non-usd currency [02:37]
asciilifeform but not in the way the pygmy imagines [02:37]
mircea_popescu decimation cmon, some euros, something. [02:37]
decimation nope [02:37]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu probably does not entirely apprehend the degree to which various folks in usa, myself included, are already in a sharashka. we work for scrip, every penny of which is centrally accounted for, incoming and out [02:38]
* mircea_popescu remembers old day, after a two week "if it's tuesday, it's belgium" thing, at 4am in train station guy pouring ~kig and half of coins into a beggar's lap. [02:38]
mircea_popescu "shit, im not sorting all these" [02:38]
decimation < "The real story is that when broken down, those 25.8 million trips overseas were taken by approximately just 13.3 million American residents. And that means that in total, the real number of Americans that actually traveled (took trips) overseas in 2009 for either business or leisure, was about 15.5 million --o r just five percent of our [02:38]
decimation nation's 311 million residents!" [02:38]
assbot The Great American Passport Myth: Why Just 3.5% Of Us Travel Overseas! | William D. Chalmers ... ( ) [02:38]
mircea_popescu > 10 different types of pennies etc [02:38]
asciilifeform half the folks i work with, iirc, don't have - ever had - passports. [02:39]
mircea_popescu decimation 5% each year, 100% in 4 five year plans, comrade! [02:39]
decimation heh [02:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34100 @ 0.00029818 = 10.1679 BTC [+] [02:40]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform so you create unaccounted revenue, what. [02:41]
asciilifeform and spend on 100kg instead of 10kg of potato at the market ? [02:42]
asciilifeform (leaving deliberately aside the question of how a full-time slave is to create 'unaccounted revenue' worth mentioning) [02:43]
mircea_popescu well... trade, whatever. [02:43]
* decimation imagines what would happen if he tried to pay for groceries with euros [02:43]
mircea_popescu im kinda curious in a scholarly way exactly what sort of outrage would incentize teh usg to go back on its "principal home can not be seized" approach to things. [02:45]
mircea_popescu "but he owes 547869857694579459 in FCC fines" "tough" [02:45]
mircea_popescu "but he made a blog post laughing at us for it" "oh... ok then!" [02:45]
decimation asciilifeform: ah, the 'gotenna' uses MURS [02:46]
assbot Radio World: Examining the “goTenna” Communications Device [02:46]
mircea_popescu "Now we can address the contention that children are innately curious. They are not in the sense used here - they are tinkerers. The commonplace observation that children have short attention spans is direct refutation of the notion that they are creative and curious in any deep sense. The tragedy of our society is not that so many people outgrow their childlike curiosity, but that so few do. The adult equivalent of ch [02:47]
mircea_popescu ildlike curiosity is channel surfing and the ten-second sound bite." [02:47]
mircea_popescu ahh oldies... [02:47]
asciilifeform its "principal home can not be seized" approach to things << wut?! [02:47]
decimation yeah I don't get it [02:47]
asciilifeform this is, afaik, a curiosity confined to certain states [02:47]
asciilifeform (fl, a few others) [02:47]
asciilifeform not usa at large [02:47]
mircea_popescu ah, is it ? [02:48]
asciilifeform iirc. [02:48]
asciilifeform (ianal!) [02:48]
mircea_popescu afaik [02:48]
asciilifeform even if this, if chump cashes in his house, usg can seize [02:49]
asciilifeform so he cannot eat his house. [02:49]
decimation in practice, if usg wants to move you out of your house, they just freeze your accounts and bleed you with fines [02:49]
mircea_popescu wel lsure. [02:49]
mircea_popescu he could let someone live there, obviously. [02:49]
decimation in some states, local inspectors must approve rental properties [02:50]
asciilifeform the basic principle of a jail is that it is absurd to reason about 'jailer can do xxx but not yyy to the inmates.' he can always find a way to yyy. [02:50]
asciilifeform might take a bit of finesse, but you will be yyyd. [02:50]
decimation just like it's absurd to claim that 'in a democracy, government can do xxx but not yyy' [02:51]
asciilifeform same idea. [02:51]
mircea_popescu apparently it just needs to ask for permission (from a usg magistrate - improperly called a judge for the obvious reasons) [02:52]
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mircea_popescu "Article X, Section 4 of the Florida Constitution exempts homestead property from levy and execution by judgment creditors." [02:53]
mircea_popescu seems you're right eh. [02:53]
mircea_popescu in the constitution no less. interesting. [02:53]
mircea_popescu !up PFate [02:53]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i only remembered the fl tidbit because paul graham blamed it for 'lack of startup culture in fl' [02:53]
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decimation < example "Why does the City have a Rental Inspection Program?For years the City responded to complaints from tenants, other nearby rental property owners, [02:54]
decimation and residents about the lack of property maintenance on many rental properties...blah blah" [02:54]
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decimation "consumers have come to expect" [02:54]
asciilifeform (how is chump supposed to borrow $xxxxxx to fund chumpup if not by pawning house) [02:54]
mircea_popescu heh. [02:54]
asciilifeform this is a quaint anachronism, even [02:54]
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asciilifeform chumps had something to pawn, imagine! [02:55]
mircea_popescu this is the libertard verbiage as to why king abolished proper title. "the drunkard nobles wanted to be able to sell!!1" [02:55]
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decimation "rental homes should be safe for women at night in slut wear" [02:55]
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mircea_popescu shouldn't they ?! [02:55]
decimation gov't inspectors will find out! [02:55]
mircea_popescu "Florida Constitution does not protect homestead property against tax liens, homeowner association mechanic’s liens associated with labor or materials to repair or improve the homestead property, and voluntary liens including mortgages and homeowner association liens. " [02:56]
mircea_popescu ahem. [02:56]
decimation lol well then what does it protect against? [02:56]
asciilifeform what's left, l0l [02:56]
decimation claims by local ants? [02:56]
asciilifeform more or less, strictly bans voluntary pawning. [02:57]
asciilifeform and nothing else. [02:57]
decimation let freedome ring [02:57]
mircea_popescu "and voluntary liens including mortgages" [02:58]
asciilifeform must've been added post-pg ? [02:58]
mircea_popescu basically it means that if old bitty runs down your new car with her beater, [02:58]
mircea_popescu you can't get your money back by selling her house. [02:58]
asciilifeform aha. [02:59]
asciilifeform hard to picture what else. [02:59]
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decimation actually I heard another interesting podcast today that is related > [02:59]
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decimation unfortunately no transcript. the relevant point was about how the constitution was 'reinterpreted' during the new deal years to mean that the 'equal protection under law' clause doesn't apply to actual laws [03:00]
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decimation as long as there is a 'reasonable basis' for the law (as in, usg can provide any reason whatsoever" [03:00]
mircea_popescu all constitutions are constantly reinterpreted. see discussion about the bbs above. [03:01]
mircea_popescu this is why a constitution is fundamentally a joke. if you have the men that you need for it to work, you don't need it. if you don't have them, it's useless anyway. [03:01]
mircea_popescu like a marriage contract, exactly. [03:01]
decimation yes, indeed [03:02]
asciilifeform during and after 'new deal', american constitution and derived 'law' became approximately as interesting as the soviet constitution. [03:02]
mircea_popescu soviet constitution was notbad.jpg [03:02]
asciilifeform precisely [03:02]
mircea_popescu from the pov of the hostile preditor, of course. [03:02]
asciilifeform but for some odd reason no one reads it now. [03:02]
mircea_popescu whether outside or in. the scribblings of the mental patient - informative. [03:02]
mircea_popescu because nothing left to eat. [03:02]
mircea_popescu preditors don't care about dirt. [03:03]
decimation actually the soviet constitution is exactly an excercise in 'process determines outcomes' [03:03]
mircea_popescu you read the thing ? [03:03]
decimation on paper, democracy blooms. in practice, party secretary is the tzar [03:03]
decimation I've read summaries [03:04]
mircea_popescu hm [03:04]
* asciilifeform recommends. [03:04]
asciilifeform but only to serious 'psychoceramicists.' [03:04]
mircea_popescu ? [03:04]
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asciilifeform that'd be brezhnev's [03:05]
decimation the detail I recall is the vast pyramids of committees and soviets that each 'advise' the next layer [03:05]
mircea_popescu the soviets, of course, were a federation [03:05]
asciilifeform the mega-classic is stalin's [03:05]
asciilifeform '36. [03:05]
mircea_popescu much like the us. except the soviets making up the soyouz actually had more autonomy than wisconsin [03:05]
asciilifeform considerably more, in practice. [03:06]
mircea_popescu mhm [03:06]
* decimation took a class on soviet politics in undergrad, but it wasn't terribly informative [03:06]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform well yes brejnev's. which one, the pre war ?! [03:06]
asciilifeform aha [03:06]
mircea_popescu there wasn't anything in between was there ? stalin didn't dare. [03:06]
asciilifeform '36 was 'stalin's' but notably not [03:07]
asciilifeform the muppet who penned the bulk of it (buharin) went to the meat grinder [03:07]
mircea_popescu eh ? [03:07]
asciilifeform whole thing was a production of the 'chrome' sov. gov. that had little relation to actual decision-making [03:08]
decimation surely even stalin had to pretend that he was operating the structure installed by lenin and his friends on kronstadt [03:08]
asciilifeform by and large the pretence was an elaborate and - to the amateur, scarcely-comprehensible - mega-kabuki [03:08]
asciilifeform not entirely unlike usg. [03:09]
decimation asciilifeform: surely the average peasant couldn't be much bothered to distinguish between comrade joe and tzar nikolai? [03:09]
asciilifeform (where, for instance, 'laws' tens of thousands of pages long will 'pass' without any one living creature having read so much as a tenth of the text, etc) [03:10]
asciilifeform decimation: there is a popular anecdote where stalin is said to have visited his elderly mother, who tried to comprehend what he does 'for a living' [03:10]
decimation rob banks? [03:11]
asciilifeform and ended up having to mumble 'something like tzar's old job' [03:11]
decimation heh [03:11]
decimation so who gave a fuck about whatever the local soviet declared? folks who wanted to climb the power structure? [03:13]
asciilifeform even phrasing the question in this way - is to miss the point [03:14]
asciilifeform what is declared, is at most masking smoke for the actual decision. [03:14]
asciilifeform or could coincide entirely [03:14]
asciilifeform like the blinkers of one car, standing in a long jam, can appear to synchronize with another's [03:15]
asciilifeform but uncoupled, is the fundamental part. [03:15]
asciilifeform the apparatus-of-state-as-distraction thing is not even specifically soviet [03:15]
asciilifeform ru empire was governed this way, since at least peter 1 [03:16]
decimation usg is tending in that direction too [03:16]
asciilifeform usg was pure, refined 'this' since day 1. [03:16]
asciilifeform since gang of plantation keepers formed 'democratic' chrome on their actual decision mechanisms [03:17]
decimation yes, but usg has been very successful at brainwashing the masses into believing its bullshit [03:17]
decimation but I think this is failing too. how many us folk believe that throwing their sons into the us military 'intervention' wood chipper is actually helping anyone other than the power-mad staffers in washington? [03:20]
chetty most of the founding fathers were from the north, not many plantation keepers around Boston [03:24]
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decimation chetty: the ones from virginia certainly kept plantations [03:25]
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chetty decimation certainly, even as far north as Maryland but I don't think it was the majority [03:34]
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mircea_popescu o.O [05:42]
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mircea_popescu most of the founding fathers were from the north, not many plantation keepers around Boston << at what time, this ? [05:45]
mircea_popescu "Harriette Halepis is a journalist by trade. Her work can be seen in Vegetarian Times, Seacoast Living, Success Magazine, Alive Magazine, and various other online and offline publications." [05:53]
mircea_popescu journalist as opposed to indian battery chicken, i guess. "i cluck at the keyboard just like the wetbacks, but in not being a wetback i get to call myself a journalist. by trade!" [05:54]
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chetty most of the founding fathers were from the north, not many plantation keepers around Boston << at what time, this ?//founding fathers = circa 1770 [06:52]
mircea_popescu they had plantations back then [06:53]
chetty not so much in the north, northern farms were small [06:53]
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mircea_popescu plimoth plantation ? [07:04]
chetty way a village [07:08]
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mircea_popescu and in other news, jesus CHRIST has the world decayed since I last looked for a host. [15:00]
mircea_popescu apparently nobody actually still does anything anymore. just watch tv all day or something. [15:00]
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jurov kinda souds right [15:30]
jurov *sounds [15:30]
mircea_popescu nuts. [15:30]
jurov i have serious doubts myself, why bother messing around at all? [15:31]
mircea_popescu I just... never looked for a webhost since at least 2002, been using pretty much the same outfit since. [15:31]
mircea_popescu this entire "we've been sitting on an order for 36 hours" thing is entirely novel. no idea when it came in, but it strikes me as outlandish. [15:31]
mircea_popescu jurov i dunno dood, for money, cause it's what you do... the world was built by men who enjoyed working. [15:32]
mircea_popescu in unrelated news, some wikipedia top keks :úxuma_Núpika [15:33]
assbot Kaúxuma Núpika - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( ) [15:33]
mircea_popescu GREAT WOMEN IN HISTOREE. a confused squaw we now deem important! [15:33]
jurov they had to neva some other cause, perhaps believed their children appreciate it or such [15:33]
jurov *to have [15:33]
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trinque the world's too comfortable; goes back to the thread yesterday about whether being self-taught is a thing [15:35]
trinque subset of "being self-directed at all is a thing" [15:35]
mircea_popescu one can only be self-directed if one's ego can stfu for long intervals. [15:36]
jurov i kinda ran out of problem i feel the need of solving [15:36]
jurov *problems [15:36]
jurov not sure how it is possible [15:36]
mircea_popescu yea ? how about webhosting ? [15:36]
jurov not my problem [15:37]
mircea_popescu trinque this pointedly excludes "creative people", obv. the sad story of WBs animation studio post quimby vs pre is a fine illustration there. [15:37]
mircea_popescu jurov how do you define a problem ? just curious. [15:37]
jurov something that bothers me [15:37]
mircea_popescu kinda how i go about it too. [15:38]
mircea_popescu inexplicably, i end up with unmanageably lengthy lists. [15:38]
trinque mircea_popescu: yeah, creative people, entrepreneurs. In my case I've been self-directed for the larger part of the last 5 years, but I wouldn't credit myself with having provided all the motivation to go down that route. [15:38]
trinque other men in my family did things that still tower above my own achievements, so I have something to compare myself with [15:39]
jurov i have noticed both mircea and alf show irreconcilable hate for certain things, maybe it's a prereq? [15:39]
jurov i can't persist and doubt everything [15:41]
mircea_popescu it's not even hate, to be technical. it's more like "this may not even exist". [15:41]
mircea_popescu lol "qntsideration". nb. [15:47]
mircea_popescu jurov meanwhile, while we've been having this conversation, there's been one of those open air concerts going on right under my window. the women can not sing. i mean... the tune is not even close, it's like zappa's "the beat goes on, and you're so wrong..." stuff. [15:48]
mircea_popescu they're doing covers of shitty elevator music, all of it in english (or should i say their lords and masters over the faulklands ?), and they don't get the words right or even rightly apprehend what anything means. [15:49]
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mircea_popescu and people are like, squaling in delight, there's thunderous applause... "forever young" hasn't got this bad a mangling since the last tiem a drunk dude in wichita sung it at a karaoke [15:49]
mircea_popescu very strange world. [15:50]
mircea_popescu o wait, they're doing "we will rock you" now. [15:51]
mircea_popescu amps should be a restricted fucking export. buncha native retards and their cargo cultishness bejeezuz. [15:51]
trinque this morning I got a bunch of 2fa texts from circle; I wonder if they have an undiagnosed bug leaking customer info [15:56]
mircea_popescu you being a customer ? [15:57]
trinque one with an empty account, yeah [15:57]
mircea_popescu maybe it's their idea of a retention strategy. [15:57]
trinque heh, reminds me I have the account? [15:58]
trinque it worked! reminded me to close the account [15:58]
mike_c trinque: it's even viral. now I am reminded to close my account too. [16:00]
trinque heh! [16:00]
mircea_popescu lmao [16:00]
mircea_popescu what is this "close account" stuff you folks are talking about ? [16:01]
trinque mircea_popescu: we tell circle to mark a bit to 0 in their db, and they keep our info for all time [16:01]
mircea_popescu it says right here in paragraph obama subsection nobody could have foreseen : fuck you, if you have an account you didn't make that account. [16:01]
trinque lol [16:01]
trinque speaking of him, this chatter is something I'm seeing on more accounts than just circle [16:01]
mircea_popescu i wonder if mr "if you have a stanford you didn't go to that stanford" / "if you have a presidency your parents didn't make you in that country" / "if you had an insurance you can no longer have an insurance" even realises what his memory is going to look like [16:02]
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mircea_popescu "hi, i am obama and for a while there I was a bad meme." [16:03]
trinque mircea_popescu: they probably give him pills to help with that [16:03]
mircea_popescu teh old cocaine eyedrops ? perhaps. [16:04]
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mircea_popescu amusingly, after bitching above, just got email from one of the folks involved apologizing profusely. so which one of you dudes runs godmodehost ? [16:05]
mircea_popescu admit, there's no shame to it. [16:05]
decimation mircea_popescu: why do the 'natives' there sing low quality us pop music instead of performing their own stuff? [16:07]
decimation for instance, latin jazz [16:07]
mircea_popescu because aspirational idiots. [16:07]
mircea_popescu it's a generational problem. [16:07]
mircea_popescu the stupid have no country. [16:08]
decimation my understanding is that latin jazz was inspired by shortwave broadcasts of us jazz [16:08]
trinque probably as simple as "because they gorge on our shitty entertainment, like the morons everywhere" [16:08]
mircea_popescu hence why "globalisation" is the necessary end game of a "the many matter" [16:08]
mircea_popescu decimation i have no idea, maybe it has. if that's the case then your answer is "because THIS stupid generation is different from THAT one." [16:09]
decimation well, at least the last generation took what they heard and remixed it to something somewhat unique [16:09]
mircea_popescu yes. they could also spell their own name. [16:10]
decimation heh [16:10]
jurov decimation, imported is flashier [16:10]
mircea_popescu in fairness, as far as pop music is concerned, not understanding what the lyrics say is a net plus. [16:10]
jurov was happening for a very loong time in ostblok [16:10]
mircea_popescu jurov only after the economic race was lost, mind. [16:11]
mircea_popescu was not really happening that much in the 60s. [16:11]
decimation jurov: many have noted that western liberalism is much more concerned with 'the other' than with themselves [16:11]
jurov at least in czechoslovakia, it *was* [16:11]
jurov in 1960s [16:11]
mircea_popescu was that not just natural "look to vienna" for the kingdom of bohemia ? [16:11]
trinque decimation: how does that square with the rampant narcissism? [16:12]
jurov more like general setup if things, you prolly did not get radio luxembourg in ro [16:12]
decimation trinque: easy. 'the distant other' always happens to agree with your own liberalizing views [16:12]
mircea_popescu ^ [16:13]
trinque makes sense [16:13]
mircea_popescu "the other" is a puny excuse for the ego to escape the superego. [16:13]
trinque american buddhists come to mind [16:13]
mircea_popescu hence the automatic "we" every idiot drops to the moment i get my club. [16:13]
mircea_popescu jurov i guess that could also be it. [16:13]
decimation jurov: surely they received it on shortwave [16:14]
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decimation but I'm not sure how many people in eastern eu countries had shortwave receivers [16:14]
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mircea_popescu lots lol. [16:14]
mircea_popescu man's most prized possession. like kalash in pashtunland. [16:15]
jurov yes, everyone had. and first mass available magnetophones appeared [16:15]
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decimation magnetophones? tape players? [16:18]
jurov yes, tape reel players [16:19]
jurov and recorders [16:19]
jurov (same machine, you couldn't get one that could not record) [16:19]
jurov interesting that govt did not regulate them at all, unlike photocopiers [16:20]
jurov tape was seemingly never used for political purposes [16:21]
jurov it bit them to ass when videotapes came, tho [16:21]
mircea_popescu isn't this odd, think about it ? [16:22]
mircea_popescu you had to "register" your typewriter. kids didn't have to register their magnetophone. [16:22]
mircea_popescu does this not suggest that the ACTUAL REASON adults "had to" register their typewriters was because they wanted to have to ? [16:23]
felipelalli << mircea_popescu nice!! Thanks! Great article, congrats. [16:23]
mircea_popescu like a retarded native american would have taken it to the shaman to be exorcised ? [16:23]
decimation mircea_popescu: yes that seems reasonable [16:23]
mircea_popescu like the retarded native americans go through the tsa anal gefingerpoken so as to be clarified of their sins ? [16:23]
mircea_popescu i said this before, but perhaps not as clearly : no totalitarian state oppressed the people. ever. [16:23]
mircea_popescu the people seek certain forms, and the bureaucracy follows. [16:24]
mircea_popescu no bureaucracy EVER did anything. it has as much agency as rain. [16:24]
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trinque mircea_popescu: always a very small number of whichever govt officials compared to the total populatio [16:25]
trinque *n [16:25]
decimation mircea_popescu: you see this in the us with the ambiguity usg shows toward spying in general [16:26]
mircea_popescu no dude. hitler didn't "force germans". buncha bored women wanted it. all of it. [16:26]
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mircea_popescu they were treying to get the russians to rape them and found a way. [16:26]
decimation 'the people' desperately want to believe that there is a secretly competent branch of usg saving them from themselves [16:26]
mircea_popescu the us population fundamentally wishes to be deeply humiliated by the entire world. it's what they're doing over there. [16:27]
mircea_popescu why us army hasn't been allowed to win a war since the 60s at least. [16:27]
mircea_popescu just... abjection. it's a lot more psychologically attractive than most people dare to admit. [16:27]
decimation yes, and it's seen as noble because it embiggens 'the other' in the third whom they idolize [16:28]
trinque perhaps that, also guilt [16:28]
mircea_popescu guilt schmuilt. [16:28]
trinque we are taught (though this is of course delusional) that we're supposed to be this force of GOOD (TM) in the world [16:29]
mircea_popescu nobody feels any guilt. [16:29]
trinque then why the drive towards abjection? [16:29]
mircea_popescu abjection is its own reward. [16:30]
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trinque because then they're at least important enough to bother humiliating? [16:31]
mircea_popescu not even. [16:31]
mircea_popescu no because. [16:31]
mircea_popescu "That Lakota men did not like to be called "heart of a woman" in council meetings is less likely to mean that women were regarded as inferior than that the warrior's role was sharply set off from the woman's role". Check it out, both the Lakota and Hassrick managed to figure it out! [16:34]
* trinque puzzles [16:34]
trinque so this abjection drive is a matter of female psychology? [16:36]
[]bot Bet placed: 4 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $150 before July" Odds: 9(Y):91(N) by coin, 9(Y):91(N) by weight. Total bet: 31.29172615 BTC. Current weight: 82,496. [16:42]
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decimation !up ascii_modem [16:43]
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ascii_modem magnetophone apolitical?! l0l no [16:43]
ascii_modem and [16:45]
ascii_modem not registered only because tech did not allow [16:45]
decimation but the tech allowed registration of copiers? [16:45]
ascii_modem them to be told apart easily, as typewrtrs [16:45]
ascii_modem trivial [16:45]
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mircea_popescu !up beetcoin [16:49]
-assbot- You voiced beetcoin for 30 minutes. [16:49]
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decimation "Even though history does not have laws, the course of a revolution is easily foreseen, because stupidity and madness do have laws. (#2,222)" [16:50]
assbot Don Colacho’s Aphorisms: #2,222 ... ( ) [16:50]
mircea_popescu aha. [16:51]
* decimation suspects that the longer one resides in south america, the more one would come to appreciate herr colacho [16:52]
mircea_popescu "Aun cuando la historia no tenga leyes el curso de una revolución se prevé fácilmente, porque la estupidez y la demencia sí las tienen." [16:53]
mircea_popescu dementia != madness, ftr. [16:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11712 @ 0.00028731 = 3.365 BTC [-] [16:53]
decimation not in the 'crazy old men sense, no' [16:53]
decimation ;;dict demented [16:54]
gribble wn: demented adj 1: affected with madness or insanity; "a man who had gone mad" [syn: {brainsick}, {crazy}, {demented}, {disturbed}, {mad}, {sick}, {unbalanced}, {unhinged}] [16:54]
mircea_popescu sure, the dysfunctional us "dictionaries", really properly wikitionaries have everything equal. (demencia passion locura furia) = (insanity crazyness madness [16:54]
mircea_popescu nevertheless, this is not how languages work. [16:54]
mircea_popescu decimation no. demented is different from mad in that one lacks the intellect whereas the other has a malfunctioning intellect. the alzhimer patient is demented but not mad. [16:55]
mircea_popescu the active schizophrenic is mad but not demented. [16:55]
mircea_popescu lack of intellect is in fact predictable. [16:55]
decimation 'mens rea'? [16:55]
mircea_popescu that's teleological in usage. but perhaps there's something long forgotten to the etymology. [16:56]
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jurov btw, is there a trilema piece about how to maintain endless lists of "things that are not to exist" without becoming mad in the process? [17:00]
mircea_popescu well we don't know i'm not nuts, for one thing. [17:04]
mircea_popescu but for the other, how do you maintain the list of endless things that are not letters ? [17:05]
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jurov not sure if "unmanageably lengthy" is distnct from endless [17:06]
assbot Logged on 12-04-2015 18:33:07; mircea_popescu: inexplicably, i end up with unmanageably lengthy lists. [17:06]
mircea_popescu << send a copy to ben_vulpes [17:06]
assbot Logged on 12-04-2015 16:56:38; pete_dushenski: should add this to ma cv or something [17:06]
mircea_popescu he's keeping THAT endless list :D [17:06]
mircea_popescu jurov it is, being still (blessfully) finite. [17:07]
jurov i did not mean to split hairs there :) so it goes like, you get upset, add it to the list while maybe breaking the keyboard or two and life goes on? [17:08]
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mircea_popescu pretty much. [17:09]
mircea_popescu but look at the way i read, it's illustrative. [17:09]
mircea_popescu i couldn't finish hayek because he was stupid. think about that, hayek of all people. if hayek is stupid what chance do we have ? [17:09]
mircea_popescu but the fact remains, i keep reading through, stupid accumulates, eventually overrurns my (short) buffer and i drop it. [17:10]
mircea_popescu plenty of web content makes it one phrase in. [17:10]
mircea_popescu seeing how stupidity is not self-healing, i don't even need to keep the list per se. just read another sentence later. [17:10]
jurov i just shrug it and try to forget.. guess i need to unlearn that [17:11]
mircea_popescu either that or perfect the skill, shrug and try to be a rock or something. [17:12]
mircea_popescu halfway i imagine it's frustrating and ineffectual. [17:12]
jurov it is [17:13]
mircea_popescu "welcome, driving class. today, we learn how to accelerate the car. next week, we'll learn steering and braking." [17:14]
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mircea_popescu << actually, tobacco first. [17:22]
assbot Logged on 12-04-2015 16:57:38; asciilifeform: it having been the only really serious business in that part of the world, at the time. [17:22]
mircea_popescu then sugar cane [17:22]
mircea_popescu THEN cotton. [17:22]
mircea_popescu but the original northern colonists (south didn't exist, like oregon didn't exist during civil war) ran exactly the equivalent of the southern plantation, [17:23]
mircea_popescu except for tobacco, and with white slaves. [17:23]
mircea_popescu it was common practice to pick up children off the street / take the children of people living on the dole and send them over. [17:23]
mircea_popescu regularly children as old as 12 are listed as "servants". girls, mostly. [17:24]
mircea_popescu in fact, even the puritans, even on the mayflower, for all the pretense to contrary, shipped a total of four children that had been stolen from a gentry woman in england, against hte mother's wishes. three died the first winter there. [17:24]
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mircea_popescu the woman's husband wanted to end the fee tail on the woman's dowry estate, and did not wish to entertain her children (which she had with a guy she actually liked, about her age), and so ... had his friend teh lord of the cinque ports declare them slaves, and they got sent where slaves went in 1500. [17:25]
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decimation not to mention indentured servitude [17:28]
decimation [17:29]
assbot The forgotten history of Britain's white slaves - Telegraph ... ( ) [17:29]
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mircea_popescu i suppose the us owes reparations to britain. [17:29]
decimation "Two were "Negro slaves", but the other eight were white servants, including Thomas Pearce, a 20-year-old Bristol joiner, and William Webster, a middle-aged Scottish brick-maker. Whether they were ever found remains a mystery; almost nothing is known about them but their names. But their irate master was to become very famous indeed, for the man pursuing his absconding servants was called George Washington." [17:29]
mircea_popescu then again... they did give them a buncha shit. [17:29]
decimation well, the colonies were a nice place to 'disappear' all kinds of crazies [17:30]
mircea_popescu decimation the fact remains that slavery is generally productive, and in some circumstances the only practicable alternative. [17:30]
mircea_popescu that it's badmouthed by the lazy, and that the encyclopedists pushed this angle where the late failure is presented as pars pro toto reporesentative... well. [17:30]
mircea_popescu what if i started an encyclopedia presenting the current state of "web development" as indicative of what computing science is ? [17:31]
mircea_popescu "even the slave masters themselves agreed slavery is a bad idea". [17:31]
decimation heh [17:31]
mircea_popescu duh. badly done, yes. it is. of course it is. [17:31]
mircea_popescu so is badly done coffee. [17:31]
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decimation note that the above mentioned indentured servants volunteered, probably because of bankruptcy [17:32]
mircea_popescu "volunteered". [17:32]
mircea_popescu women voluntarily married at the time, too. [17:32]
decimation hehe good point [17:32]
mircea_popescu heck, the french conscripts of the french republicalso volunteered [17:32]
decimation at any rate, I'm off for awhile [17:33]
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mircea_popescu the fact that the medical science of detecting imaginary maladies never got such a boost before or since notwithstanding. [17:33]
mircea_popescu one should still wonder why would record numbers of malingerers seen in a thorouhgly voluntary force. [17:33]
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mats the popular retelling of american history is terribly freedomwashed [18:45]
mats see: Daniel Day Lewis' role in Lincoln (2012) [18:45]
mats like lincoln ever gave a shit about emancipating the negros ... rather than driving them into revolt, resistance, and generally disrupting the southern economy [18:47]
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mircea_popescu so it is. [19:06]
mircea_popescu pious fraud. no history was ever told any other way, because the principal driver behind history as a human behaviour is exactly what Chillum was describing re his involvement in wikipedia. [19:07]
mircea_popescu people by and large aspire to matter. [19:07]
mircea_popescu what happened in an incidental [19:07]
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mats but i want to hear more about what the wikipedia admins are talking about in their private channel [19:33]
mircea_popescu so join. [19:35]
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mats /s [19:44]
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jurov !t m s.mpoe [20:23]
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jurov !t m f.mpif [20:23]
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ben_vulpes [20:24]
assbot Can ‘They’ Be Accepted as a Singular Pronoun? - WSJ [20:24]
jurov nice, it includes not just trannies, but split/absent personalities, too [20:26]
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* Adlai discussed just this very issue over dinner with a university professor [20:29]
Adlai and he was all... "ultimately, it's all bullshit" [20:29]
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ben_vulpes i'm just going to use it as a filter, the same way i filter against men who button the top button of their shirt when not wearing a tie. [20:54]
[]bot Bet placed: 2.1 BTC for No on "Silver at or over $22/oz before October" Odds: 17(Y):83(N) by coin, 18(Y):82(N) by weight. Total bet: 12.055139 BTC. Current weight: 88,379. [21:04]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116700 @ 0.00028163 = 32.8662 BTC [-] {2} [21:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58150 @ 0.00028091 = 16.3349 BTC [-] [21:14]
Adlai eh [21:15]
Adlai ben_vulpes: what kind of filter? [21:15]
* Adlai uses "they" quite a bit [21:15]
Adlai and /me wouldn't want to be discrimunatud against by the hypothetical ben_vulpes [21:16]
ben_vulpes oh don't mind me i'm just being bombastic [21:17]
[]bot Bet placed: 4.3 BTC for No on "BTC to top $700 before 1st July" Odds: 9(Y):91(N) by coin, 9(Y):91(N) by weight. Total bet: 159.46184834 BTC. Current weight: 62,779. [21:18]
[]bot Bet placed: 3 BTC for No on "Silver at or over $22/oz before October" Odds: 13(Y):87(N) by coin, 15(Y):85(N) by weight. Total bet: 15.055139 BTC. Current weight: 88,373. [21:18]
Adlai why bomb when you can fant? [21:18]
Adlai .. or bet, lol [21:18]
Adlai although silver's going up. you heard it here first. [21:18]
ben_vulpes what makes you think that? [21:29]
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Adlai uh [21:31]
Adlai no it's going down, shit. [21:31]
* Adlai just lost 3 BTC [21:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 209100 @ 0.00028941 = 60.5156 BTC [+] {2} [21:36]
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ben_vulpes it's not even 4:20 yet, Adlai [21:40]
Adlai salways 420 somewhere [21:40]
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* Adlai should sleep, don't take it personally but kindly fuck off. [21:40]
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mxtm thanks [22:20]
mxtm `bittrex-richie is impersonating bittrex-richie, by the way [22:20]
mxtm he's the serb [22:20]
`bittrex-richie mxtm impersonate me he is Nigger [22:21]
`bittrex-richie mxtm [22:21]
`bittrex-richie i'm voiced [22:22]
`bittrex-richie LELE [22:22]
`bittrex-richie moron [22:22]
`bittrex-richie kill yourslef [22:22]
`bittrex-richie fast fast pm OP [22:22]
`bittrex-richie and lick they ass [22:22]
`bittrex-richie HAHHAAHHAH [22:22]
`bittrex-richie moron [22:22]
`bittrex-richie lol [22:22]
`bittrex-richie did you pm OP [22:22]
`bittrex-richie mxtm [22:22]
`bittrex-richie did you eat shit from your doge? [22:22]
mxtm lol [22:22]
`bittrex-richie lol [22:23]
`bittrex-richie see [22:23]
`bittrex-richie all i talk is true [22:23]
`bittrex-richie agree [22:23]
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williamdunne *furiously checking logs wondering what I have missed* [22:25]
mxtm a scammer joining [22:25]
mxtm and then spamming and calling me slurs [22:26]
williamdunne Is it worth downing him? [22:26]
BIoodyRoockie nahh [22:26]
BIoodyRoockie mxtm [22:26]
BIoodyRoockie is idiot [22:26]
mxtm williamdunne: yes [22:26]
mxtm pls do [22:26]
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williamdunne !down BloodyRoockie [22:27]
BIoodyRoockie ? [22:27]
Adlai !down BIoodyRoockie [22:27]
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Adlai !down ufnfnf [22:27]
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Adlai !down mxtm [22:27]
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Adlai get in the wot, fuckers [22:27]
Adlai !down ufoirotffffp [22:27]
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Adlai 04:22:24 mxtm | I am in the WoT :( just not assbot's [22:28]
williamdunne I'm in Assbot's WoT, not sure why it didn't work for me [22:28]
williamdunne Do you need to be in ring 1 to !down? [22:28]
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Adlai !down williamdunne [22:29]
Adlai assbot (~assbot@unaffiliated/kakobrekla/bot/assbot): Adlai, you can't do that to williamdunne. (Trust: L1 0, L2 1) [22:29]
Adlai there appears to be an anomaly. [22:29]
williamdunne Interesting [22:30]
Adlai i mean, we should have the same abilities; yet i could down them, but you couldn't. [22:30]
* Adlai is also in L2 [22:30]
Adlai there is a problem! system be broke. [22:30]
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williamdunne Is the source available for assbot? I'll have a peek [22:31]
Adlai not that i know. kakobrekla ? [22:31]
Adlai ;;getrust adlai williamdunne [22:36]
gribble Error: "getrust" is not a valid command. [22:36]
Adlai ;;gettrust adlai williamdunne [22:36]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user adlai to user williamdunne: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: never [22:36]
williamdunne Its !gettrust for assbot is it not? [22:36]
Adlai williamdunne: aha! "Currently not authenticated."? [22:36]
Adlai !gettrust adlai williamdunne [22:37]
assbot Trust relationship from user adlai to user williamdunne: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | | [22:37]
Adlai williamdunne: so, new blood, where are you cut from? [22:39]
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williamdunne From the UK, got into bitcoin a couple of years ago but spent the last having my education from a number of #b-a soures [22:40]
adlai why do you feel "cut from" the UK? [22:40]
williamdunne I don't, I just wasn't entirely sure what you were asking me so covered a couple of interpretations [22:41]
williamdunne (One of which was where are you from) [22:41]
* adlai distinctly recalls mentioning cuts [22:42]
adlai which could imply any number of things, such as "at which sovereign did you hail before you realized you needed none" [22:42]
williamdunne Yep, thats the one I was answering - I wouldn't consider the sovereignty I reside in to be a part of my identity. [22:43]
williamdunne Nor would I expect it to be my final resting place [22:43]
adlai how have you repaid it for what it did give you? [22:43]
ben_vulpes adlai: how do you know it was a net gift and not theft? [22:44]
williamdunne At this point in time, nothing [22:44]
williamdunne And nor do I feel any obligation to [22:44]
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adlai ben_vulpes: "it has taken more from me than it gave" is a valid answer [22:44]
adlai but not everybody would say that [22:45]
* adlai for example has not yet fully cashed his check [22:45]
ben_vulpes i don't think that this place could ever repay me for the cost of living here. [22:46]
williamdunne I will presume you are in the US [22:47]
trinque ben_vulpes: the old deeds bundle hashes are a hash of each deed comma-delimited, then hashed again all together [22:48]
* trinque is working on that import [22:48]
trinque that is why I didn't just import the thing blindly; it worked differently than the current iteration [22:48]
trinque with that said, let no one ever claim that the deedbot doesn't work because they couldn't figure out how to verify these [22:49]
williamdunne Those who have need of it should learn how to use it, instead of hoping for it to be spoonfed to them with parallax [22:50]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43450 @ 0.00028581 = 12.4184 BTC [+] [23:25]
mircea_popescu lmao wut whas that. [23:26]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes " men who button the top button of their shirt when not wearing a tie." << what's that ? retardaton ? tuxedo ? [23:27]
mircea_popescu lol i put the serb/nigger in bash [23:28]
mircea_popescu anyone still modding that ? [23:28]
mircea_popescu lulz @adlai managing teh chan [23:29]
mircea_popescu you know, namechanges dont provide voice yo [23:29]
mircea_popescu I'm in Assbot's WoT, not sure why it didn't work for me << because you typed out the full name like a noob, and you have a display that fails to make the diff between capital i and lowcase l. instead of, you know, typiong the first three letters then hitting autocompletion like people who aren't noobs, and thus by noticing that Blo does nothing figure out the problem. [23:31]
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adlai !down mircea_popescu [23:31]
mircea_popescu and teh same goes to teh other nooblet. [23:31]
adlai ^^ still doesn't work [23:31]
mircea_popescu how the fuck would THAT work lol [23:31]
adlai there's more to it than autocomplete! [23:31]
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mircea_popescu othereis ? [23:31]
adlai yarly [23:31]
mircea_popescu !down 8dl8ee [23:32]
mircea_popescu shit that didn't werk! [23:32]
* assbot gives voice to williamdunne [23:33]
williamdunne A tragedy unfolding before our very eyes [23:33]
adlai maybe !up and !down should rely on blockchain consensus instead [23:34]
mircea_popescu ... [23:35]
williamdunne Aha, I wrote a post about that the other day. So fed up of this "Decentralize all the things" meme [23:35]
adlai you may be glad to hear that decentralization has opened a theater next to security [23:35]
williamdunne Its extra efficient because every computer has to do the calculation, instead of just one! [23:36]
adlai don't forget the added benefit of having everybody explicitly, voluntarily, affirm their trust in bob [23:36]
mircea_popescu how have you repaid it for what it did give you? << atta boy :D [23:36]
mircea_popescu now eat, eat. [23:36]
mircea_popescu you're skin an' bones. [23:36]
adlai that's got nothing to do with letat [23:37]
mircea_popescu I will presume you are in the US << he's in portland. a place so infected with dumb, if you ever run into a sane woman you gotta marry her. [23:37]
mircea_popescu adlai orly ? [23:37]
williamdunne mircea_popescu, that seems to be a relatively common theme in many places, in fairness [23:38]
mircea_popescu sure. and for the following good reason : [23:38]
mircea_popescu admitting that the two ways any group of people could be organised as are strictly 1. it's only funny until someone loses an eye. then it's hysterical and b. minimize the discomfort of everyone an' love them whether they want to or not, [23:39]
mircea_popescu which contemporary pretender to sovereignty would you say is not organised by and for the needs, interests and preoccupations of women ? [23:39]
mircea_popescu women, of course, are relatively common in places. and so therefore... [23:39]
mircea_popescu that is why I didn't just import the thing blindly; it worked differently than the current iteration << yeah at this point a note is called for at that

williamdunne Women are more common than men [23:41]
mircea_popescu i suspect the most common gender these days is "dragon" [23:42]
williamdunne That is dragon-kin, thank you very much [23:42]
mircea_popescu aha. [23:42]
williamdunne Please treat my gender with the weight it so-deserves [23:42]
adlai because your metabolism hasn't given it enough weight already? [23:43]
mircea_popescu i dunno how i ended up with some of these and some girlie asked me how do i "identify" and i said aliphatic. [23:43]
mircea_popescu she had no idea what that is and i didn't think much of her [23:43]
mircea_popescu but for different reasons altogether. [23:43]
mircea_popescu lol adlai i gotta remember that. [23:43]
williamdunne If you ask anyone how they identify in that context it seems you do not deserve much thought of you [23:44]
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mircea_popescu not necessarily. [23:44]
mircea_popescu how the fuck do i know. [23:44]
mircea_popescu !up WoIf` [23:44]
-assbot- You voiced WoIf` for 30 minutes. [23:44]
* assbot gives voice to WoIf` [23:44]
williamdunne 03:37:47 - adlai: because your metabolism hasn't given it enough weight already? [23:44]
williamdunne [23:44]
williamdunne Its hereditary shitlord [23:44]
assbot ... ( ) [23:44]
mircea_popescu !up mxtm [23:45]
-assbot- You voiced mxtm for 30 minutes. [23:45]
* assbot gives voice to mxtm [23:45]
mxtm ohayou [23:45]
mircea_popescu now stop derping you two and explain simply. wut ? [23:45]
mxtm sup, all [23:45]
mxtm oh, well WoIf` is imitating Wolf` [23:45]
mxtm also spamming w/ hatred of me, yadda yadda [23:45]
mircea_popescu who are you. [23:45]
mxtm i'm mxtm [23:45]
williamdunne How do you identify? [23:45]
mircea_popescu !gettrust mxtm [23:45]
mxtm you don't really know me, but, hi [23:45]
assbot Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user mxtm: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | | [23:45]
mircea_popescu well... that's not much. [23:46]
* WoIf` has quit (Client Quit) [23:46]
mxtm damn wait what [23:46]
mxtm i have way more than that [23:46]
williamdunne ;;gettrust mxtm [23:46]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask mxtm! Trust relationship from user williamdunne to user mxtm: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Tue Mar 4 14:35:10 2014 [23:46]
mxtm yeah homm unrated me and tim-tams and me trading was a WHILE ago lol [23:46]
mircea_popescu "i am a guy who walks alone, and gets so excited if anyone mentions him that he even knows this happened". [23:46]
mircea_popescu you got any idea how many redditards/twitterwhatevers/etc run arround spamming hatred of me ? [23:47]
mxtm i've heard i think [23:47]
mircea_popescu so relax, who cares. [23:47]
williamdunne I hate to confess, but a year ago I would have done that [23:47]
mxtm done what? [23:48]
mircea_popescu you still do the vague that. that what. [23:48]
williamdunne Been a redditard spewing hatred towards you (mircea) [23:48]
mircea_popescu ah. [23:48]
mxtm also, why does assbot have super out of date rating info on me [23:48]
williamdunne Assbot uses a different WoT [23:48]
mircea_popescu because the two wots split early 2015 basically. [23:49]
mxtm oh i see, the wiki or whatever didn't mention that [23:49]
mxtm or what i read from it [23:49]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120642 @ 0.00028915 = 34.8836 BTC [+] {2} [23:50]
mircea_popescu i suppose we're still hoping this may be cured with info exchange at some point. [23:50]
mxtm yeh, how do i get properly in with the assbot WoT? [23:50]
williamdunne !register [23:51]
assbot Nick williamdunne is already taken. [23:51]
mxtm !register [23:51]
assbot Nick mxtm is already taken. [23:51]
williamdunne !register [23:51]
assbot Nick williamdunne is already taken. [23:51]
mxtm !register 33469F806B4FC09D4B06CB17D22859C77EF7256D [23:51]
assbot Nick mxtm is already taken. [23:51]
mxtm ... ugh [23:51]
mircea_popescu pm it !up [23:52]
williamdunne Oh yeah, it has info from bitcoin-otc [23:52]
mxtm 33469F806B4FC09D4B06CB17D22859C77EF7256D, [23:52]
mxtm sorry You need a better WoT rating for self-up. (level 2 with assbot >0) [23:52]
mircea_popescu right. [23:52]
adlai !gettrust mxtm [23:52]
assbot Trust relationship from user adlai to user mxtm: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | | [23:52]
mxtm ;;gettrust adlai [23:52]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mxtm to user adlai: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Sat Oct 11 10:15:58 2014 [23:52]
adlai mxtm: make sure you're talking to assbot, for this channel. gribble does authentication for #bitcoin-otc [23:54]
mxtm yes, i was [23:54]
mxtm i know [23:54]
mxtm so is there no hope for me to register with assbot then [23:56]
mxtm because my nick is "already taken" [23:56]
mircea_popescu you don't need to register. you are registered already, and it knows this. [23:56]
mircea_popescu you will be able to self-voice once you are in its wot. [23:56]
mxtm on gribble or on assbot or on both [23:57]
williamdunne Both [23:57]
adlai since this is good enough for now [23:57]
assbot Logged on 31-01-2015 21:36:37; mircea_popescu: the city never sleeps [23:57]
williamdunne Using the same GPG key [23:57]
* adlai needs to though. [23:57]
mxtm i am using the same gpg key [23:57]
williamdunne yes [23:57]
williamdunne But you aren't within two steps in trust of assbot [23:58]
williamdunne !gettrust assbot mxtm [23:58]
assbot Trust relationship from user assbot to user mxtm: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | | [23:58]
williamdunne !gettrust assbot williamdunne [23:58]
assbot Trust relationship from user assbot to user williamdunne: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | | [23:58]
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